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[0:13] >> Welcome back. For the

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[1:20] >> Okay. We're gonna start

[1:22] fire. Rescue. And that is on

[1:27] Page one. 97.

[1:27] >> Commissioners, before you

[1:30] flip all the way to one 97,

[1:31] you notice a new page on your

[1:35] desk. There's page 15 16. The

[1:39] change there is on Page 16,

[1:43] Fire Rescue fund when 18.

[1:47] There was air on the amended

[1:47] budget for 25. 26. So that has

[1:50] been corrected to show I

[1:50] presented budget as is right

[1:55] now is a 7% increase. As

[1:55] opposed to 14%. That was on

[2:00] the last page. That replaces

[2:12] the page. Well, you know how

[2:13] to start your presentation

[2:20] off. I would like to shout out

[2:25] to our budget Department for.

[2:26] Very responsive budget season.

[2:27] It's been absolutely wonderful

[2:30] working with them season. Any

[2:31] time we brought something to

[2:31] them, they've not only been

[2:35] receptive it. Quick to make

[2:36] necessary corrections or

[2:51] explain to me why I was wrong.

[2:52] Was that that budget reserves

[2:55] that thing that up.

[2:56] >> Called you with the way

[2:57] back from Orlando. Now it was

[2:58] about the amended budget

[3:02] number. Answering your

[3:10] question for yes, okay. We're

[3:12] page one. 97 now.

[3:17] >> Yes, sir. So this is for

[3:19] fire rescue has your where

[3:20] fire rescue split into 2

[3:21] separate funds, one for fire,

[3:22] one for ems. That's based on

[3:23] the assessments that are

[3:27] collected for each. Addition

[3:29] to those funds. We also

[3:29] receive revenue its billing

[3:38] and fire inspection services.

[3:39] Also did just recently changed

[3:43] our billing ordinance to

[3:44] change our fees to to update

[3:52] those to. So fire rescue fire

[3:57] services. You see some capital

[3:59] requests to hear fire towers

[4:00] is funds that we have in this

[4:03] current fiscal year that we're

[4:05] working with cip right now.

[4:10] There's nearing involved in.

[4:10] Trying to get some of that

[4:11] done has proved to be a little

[4:14] bit more time consuming than

[4:16] anticipated and not not that

[4:16] I'm not at them because

[4:22] they're doing it for free. But

[4:22] kind trying to save money

[4:23] there. And Justin Nelson and

[4:25] his crew have been absolutely

[4:27] wonderful to work with. We've

[4:29] say a substantial amount of

[4:30] money on the proposed

[4:33] renovations to the fire

[4:34] training grounds. So I'm

[4:36] excited about that, but that

[4:38] that is a rollover of those of

[4:40] that budgeted money. So that's

[4:41] capital expense there. What

[4:43] are you doing with the fire

[4:44] It's not the tower itself. We

[4:45] we've completed those

[4:48] renovations. We added lights.

[4:49] >> And into your next year

[4:50] lighting that was not put into

[4:51] the tower and then we built a

[4:56] pavilion. And next step we're

[4:57] going to expand the fire

[4:58] training grounds behind the

[5:00] pavilion to include some fire

[5:01] training props, actual live

[5:03] fire, training, props, and

[5:04] then also put restroom in the

[5:06] pavilion.

[5:09] >> provision was for work.

[5:09] It's it's a shade structure.

[5:15] The Yes, sir.

[5:16] >> The idea there's also the

[5:17] sheriff's office helped us

[5:20] with civilian a lot. And the

[5:21] idea there's also for for us

[5:22] to be able to use that as a

[5:24] facility there for our staff

[5:27] to, you know, we've had

[5:28] quarterly family nights and

[5:29] stuff like that are are also

[5:35] held in that The station for

[5:36] improvements. Again, that's a

[5:37] re budget from this current

[5:38] year. If you recall last year

[5:40] that was funded and we decide

[5:42] to leave that in there as a

[5:44] place holder more more or to

[5:46] go towards the next fire

[5:47] station. So instead of making

[5:50] improvements at station 4 at

[5:51] the commission's direction,

[5:53] we're going to just roll that

[5:54] funds into the construction of

[5:55] the new fire station. Once we

[5:57] once that starts. So again,

[5:57] this is just a re budget from

[6:00] the current fiscal year.

[6:01] >> So your definition, so just

[6:03] for the public's Opportunity

[6:07] here. Your definition re

[6:09] budget is just your role and

[6:11] your your budget it last year.

[6:12] You're just rolled it over to

[6:14] this year. So that's not an

[6:15] increase its funds that we

[6:15] have not expanded. Just

[6:16] reallocating to this current.

[6:21] But right.

[6:22] >> So the next to the brush

[6:24] truck and the fire engine are

[6:27] It's a new concept that we're

[6:29] trying this year to reduce not

[6:32] normally, especially the fire

[6:32] engine would financed purchase

[6:33] and we would pay loans

[6:36] interest rate on that. The

[6:37] last couple years the

[6:38] commission has been gracious

[6:39] enough for multiple

[6:40] departments to pay off those

[6:41] loans at a landfill trust fund

[6:44] to save on the interest. So

[6:46] mistress Eriksen. I thought

[6:47] that this MAY be a good

[6:50] opportunity to try. Let's just

[6:50] purchase a out of the

[6:52] Landfill. Trust Fund and Fire

[6:54] Rescue will essentially use

[6:55] that as a 0 interest loan and

[6:58] pay that back over the next

[7:00] mostly some you have a years.

[7:01] We we appropriated for that 7

[7:07] or 10. 10 years. You know. It.

[7:08] We would just replace those

[7:09] funds back into the landfill.

[7:10] Trust fund. It is 0, 0%,

[7:13] interest loan.

[7:14] >> You pay those funds out of

[7:19] as sounds. Or just certainly

[7:21] fire or not this We're doing

[7:22] the same thing for rescue in

[7:24] the msi. But this would come

[7:25] strictly out of 5 risk for

[7:29] fire funding. Yes, sir. But

[7:30] the pro struck the brush truck

[7:32] is just is it.

[7:35] >> And outright purchase. The

[7:36] same way. But I am in the

[7:38] process of working with the

[7:39] grants department and we feel

[7:40] extremely favorable to get

[7:41] over half of that covered with

[7:44] a with a federal grant.

[7:45] >> And so the reason for the

[7:49] The for the Brush Truck is

[7:50] >> You don't have one. Our

[7:50] units, a replacement. Yes,

[8:00] there's repose. 2002. So the

[8:01] that we have satisfied our

[8:03] debt service obligation again,

[8:03] that the landfill trust fund

[8:06] in this current budget year.

[8:08] And you can see the change in

[8:10] our rates are proposed rates

[8:11] there for fire rescue. I have

[8:12] the clicker here. Winter

[8:14] weather wasn't changing it.

[8:15] All right. So any questions on

[8:20] the fireside? So on emergency

[8:20] ems Idamor to medical

[8:24] services? You can see some

[8:25] recap a rescue, our cap

[8:26] request there. We haven't

[8:27] rescue. The same concept as

[8:32] the fire engine. That's

[8:35] 575,000. I do believe that.

[8:37] That will be able to reduce

[8:39] that. But that is the market

[8:39] price. And it's just based on

[8:41] what I'm able to negotiate

[8:43] with the vendors when that

[8:44] time comes. But the same

[8:45] concept there would be a

[8:46] landfill, trust loan and we

[8:47] would pay that back over 10

[8:52] years. The other devices you

[8:53] see there are devices that

[8:55] would go on that rescue. So

[8:56] there's there are capital

[9:00] expenses to put the stretcher

[9:03] itself as $25,000 expense and

[9:04] then the system that that

[9:05] stretcher hooks into as

[9:09] another $50,000 expense. And

[9:10] then the life pack is the

[9:11] heart monitor. The stared

[9:12] chair is just a device. We

[9:14] used to get people in and out

[9:17] of. We use honestly using more

[9:17] for single why mobile homes

[9:18] that we do stairs. We don't

[9:19] have a lot of high rise

[9:22] buildings, but it's a very

[9:23] narrow wheelchair. Basically

[9:26] that can get down those single

[9:27] wide hallways. And then the

[9:30] Lucas devices did cpr machine.

[9:32] That does the compression

[9:34] chest compressions. And it's

[9:35] just and saves us a lot of a

[9:37] lot of wear and tear on our

[9:37] employees actually by having

[9:39] that machine to do cpr. You

[9:40] know, when you're coming from

[9:45] a if anybody's ever done cpr,

[9:46] when you're coming from the

[9:47] Prairie. 35 minute ride doing

[9:48] cpr for 30 minutes with 2

[9:51] people is a. That's a that's a

[9:53] long ride. Done it a few

[9:55] times.

[9:55] >> But let's go back to well,

[9:56] you don't have to go back to

[9:58] this post on fire ems on

[10:05] personnel. You have a 14%

[10:07] increase just county. Give us

[10:08] some idea why so, yes, sir, so

[10:11] that the increase in personnel

[10:12] is.

[10:14] >> somewhat in part just to to

[10:15] the increase personal

[10:16] expenses, the budgeted raises.

[10:17] And then we do have 6 new

[10:18] positions that will be split

[10:19] between fire and ems.

[10:22] >> Those new positions, I will

[10:23] be the first we've hired in

[10:30] quite some time. We did have

[10:31] 16 in our five-year plan and

[10:32] we have not heard any of

[10:34] those. So this will be the

[10:37] conclusion of our five-year

[10:39] next year. So we'll be able

[10:41] instead of 16 will be do. It

[10:43] was 6 and the large part is,

[10:44] you know, we've had an

[10:46] increase in call volume. We've

[10:48] taken over the city Fire

[10:50] department, but there's been a

[10:52] lot of services that we did

[10:52] not offer it in the past that

[10:56] we are offering now. Our

[10:57] employees work. They're

[10:58] scheduled to work. A 56 hour

[11:01] work week. And right now I'm

[11:04] running over time every day.

[11:05] My pleasure. Averaging a 62.

[11:07] Our work week with the amount

[11:07] of overtime that they're

[11:10] picking up. So this will help

[11:14] reduce that overtime burden

[11:16] and then it is also a

[11:16] preparation for the future. We

[11:17] do have a station prepared to

[11:19] be built fan fire department

[11:21] can't just hire an entire

[11:23] station when the station opens

[11:24] in these to gradual steps

[11:26] because I can't you know, it

[11:30] would take 15 people to a

[11:32] minimum to open a new station

[11:33] and half of those people are

[11:34] officers. So I can't just go

[11:37] out and hire supervisors in

[11:38] the prior service. So Justin,

[11:42] you're saying that.

[11:43] >> If you are the 6 people

[11:44] now, they will be 6 of the 15

[11:44] for the new fire station. Are

[11:50] you going to still? At our

[11:52] intent is is to move some of

[11:53] our current trucks that out.

[11:54] But I'm not able to staff

[11:55] right now like have a second

[11:58] rescue station, too.

[11:59] >> The 6 people will help

[12:00] staff that are more regular

[12:02] basis right now. There's all

[12:04] most of the time. It's not

[12:06] staffed. And then I have the 2

[12:07] fire engines at station one

[12:08] right now from when we assume

[12:10] the services that the city. So

[12:11] our intent would be to move

[12:12] one of those fires engines to

[12:16] the new station and the second

[12:17] rescue. So it will be the bulk

[12:18] of them. But I I'm not going

[12:19] to tell you that I won't need

[12:20] more people when that station

[12:21] comes around. But this will be

[12:24] people. Yes, sir.

[12:26] >> And how far off in the

[12:26] future and should already know

[12:29] this? And I do how far off in

[12:30] the future. We're looking at

[12:32] that new station being up and

[12:34] running. Is that 2 years from

[12:40] now referred to just moment.

[12:42] So commissioner, what once we

[12:43] have the land acquisition, I

[12:46] would say we're depending on

[12:47] what design we we can come up

[12:48] with that. We can find what

[12:51] we're looking at pre designed

[12:52] station. So we don't have to

[12:54] have that one year. Plus and

[12:56] design. We probably will take

[12:58] about a year or a little less

[13:00] than a year for permitting

[13:00] with storm water and South

[13:03] Florida water management. So

[13:06] the goal is to be occupied

[13:07] within the next 3 years. And

[13:09] it's all gonna depend on the

[13:09] sec funding. You know, we're

[13:11] gonna try to roll some grant

[13:13] money forward from the design

[13:14] to use the minimal amount of

[13:15] of the money that was

[13:22] allocated through for the

[13:23] design. So our goal is if we

[13:25] can get this thing down would

[13:27] be within the next 3 years to

[13:29] the best case scenario is 3

[13:30] years. Yes, sir, that that

[13:31] would be that would be where I

[13:32] would say we would be within

[13:32] the next 3 years will have

[13:34] that building occupied. I

[13:36] would like to see it sooner.

[13:38] But we're still in the

[13:40] acquisition process. So we're

[13:40] hoping to have that done and

[13:42] completed here pretty soon.

[13:47] Chair. Justin District, a

[13:50] couple questions. One.

[13:52] >> What are the additional

[13:52] services that we're offering

[13:55] that we didn't know before.

[13:57] >> It's mostly in our risk

[14:00] reduction agency where we do

[14:01] community cpr. We're doing far

[14:02] more inspections of commercial

[14:05] buildings than we've ever

[14:07] done. And including in the

[14:08] city. When we tweak when we

[14:09] took over the fire department,

[14:10] we took over the commercial

[14:11] inspections within the city

[14:14] limits. So and then, you know,

[14:17] we partner with the school. We

[14:17] teach the teachers cpr and we

[14:23] first date, we go out to the

[14:25] H.O.A. Ys and 55 plus

[14:26] communities and teach them how

[14:26] to use their 80's and teach

[14:30] them how to do cpr. And then

[14:32] every every year we're going

[14:33] to schools that those type of

[14:34] of services are the ones that

[14:35] I was referring to.

[14:36] Commissioner.

[14:40] >> All right. Secondly, when

[14:41] you get the new brush truck,

[14:42] are you going to surplus the

[14:45] old one? Yes, All right. In

[14:46] because you're gonna surplus.

[14:48] The old one. Were you be able

[14:51] to take some tools? Off of it

[14:55] and put it on new brush truck

[14:55] or the years because it's a

[14:58] 2002. Some of the things that

[15:05] you have to outfit. List here,

[15:06] MISTER Chair and wife Packery

[15:08] those things Hl. I don't know

[15:09] what.

[15:09] >> Yes, sir. So those those

[15:13] specific items go on an

[15:14] ambulance we will move some

[15:15] things over. The ama says is a

[15:17] little bit different we will

[15:20] be one, but it's all the

[15:21] equipment on it is outdated.

[15:24] The brush truck specifically

[15:25] doesn't have a lot of

[15:26] equipment on carries water and

[15:30] pop. But we do. We do take off

[15:31] anything that before it goes

[15:31] option we take off anything

[15:32] that we could think we can

[15:36] use. Yes or

[15:41] >> Justin with the hiring of

[15:42] the 6 new employees this and

[15:45] cutting back on overtime. MISS

[15:47] That about a Washington way

[15:49] over. It is not a wash. It is

[15:50] a reduction in the cost to the

[15:52] to the department MISS Lisa

[15:53] work. Those numbers up for us

[15:56] and we did see a reduction.

[15:57] >> And the total cost is not

[15:58] even close to 50%. It's it's

[16:00] not a wash on that. But it is

[16:05] it is a. I want get. The one

[16:06] of the one of the reasons is

[16:08] the burden on our employee

[16:12] 6.62 hours a week on average

[16:13] for employees. Some of them

[16:14] working substantially more

[16:17] than that you know it. Comes

[16:18] to a point you know, we start

[16:20] worrying about their their

[16:22] their burnouts and stuff like

[16:23] that or just simply losing

[16:24] them to these other

[16:25] departments around us that

[16:29] work far less hours. Are you

[16:30] still?

[16:30] >> Are you? Are you better

[16:32] retaining these guys now away?

[16:32] Just came up a little bit.

[16:34] Yes, sir. We are doing better.

[16:38] >> We used our by the end of

[16:41] this summer, I hope to be

[16:43] fully staffed. Are put an icon

[16:43] plus that one time for about 3

[16:46] weeks. I think during his

[16:49] tenure and before that, it had

[16:50] been several years prior

[16:50] before we since we had been

[16:54] fully staffed. So I wouldn't

[16:54] be up here asking for new 2

[16:55] positions. If I didn't think

[16:58] that I could feel them. So we

[17:00] we are we'll be fully staffed

[17:01] by the end of the summer. Some

[17:02] of those will be the trainee

[17:03] positions of allowed me to do

[17:04] so by the end of this year,

[17:07] those will be transitioning

[17:07] and we'll use that trainee

[17:08] position probably to fill some

[17:11] of these 6 positions as well.

[17:13] So it MAY be it MAY be a

[17:15] little bit less in the initial

[17:18] hiring face to put those

[17:19] positions on, but they will

[17:20] will be back to that hiring

[17:22] local candidates program. The

[17:23] House short of a full

[17:25] compliment. Are you right now?

[17:27] >> 2 and how much is that

[17:29] affecting that 6 hours of

[17:29] overtime for those other guys,

[17:32] if you had those 2 positions

[17:33] filled?

[17:33] >> And did you crunch those

[17:37] numbers to see if that?

[17:38] >> So right we allowed to

[17:42] people off per shift. It's

[17:42] that that gone on vacation.

[17:44] Whatever the leave, maybe.

[17:45] >> That number actually been

[17:49] the same since I got hired.

[17:54] >> well, experiences the

[17:55] usually the overtime is caused

[17:56] by, you know, someone to be in

[17:57] school. Someone falling out

[18:02] sick. This an anticipated. Pix

[18:03] examples of leave that we're

[18:05] that we're having to fill over

[18:07] time for. I don't have any

[18:10] shifts right now that have

[18:11] automatic overtime. We did. At

[18:12] one point we had so many so

[18:13] many vacancies that I just had

[18:14] a new that on a ship that was

[18:16] going to have to run over

[18:16] every day, regardless of who

[18:20] was off. So we're not at that

[18:22] point right now, but certainly

[18:24] any vacancies do contribute to

[18:24] the amount of overtime. Well,

[18:25] and if you have 6 new hires, I

[18:28] assume they're going to

[18:30] >> have a spot in a shift of

[18:32] their own. You'll still have

[18:33] people falling out sick.

[18:34] You'll still have people go

[18:35] into training. I mean, they're

[18:36] not going to be sitting on the

[18:40] shelf. I wouldn't think to be.

[18:41] That actually that actually

[18:43] kind of the concept. The Esser

[18:44] is they will be in addition to

[18:45] we will not increase minimum

[18:47] staffing with these people.

[18:48] >> And that's why I in

[18:50] reference that rescue. 22,

[18:52] it's not minimum we staff so

[18:53] we don't required to be

[18:53] staffed. It's only staff want

[18:54] to have enough people. So if

[18:56] if certain people are off,

[19:00] then we don't staff that truck

[19:01] to reduce the amount of

[19:02] overtime I would I would have

[19:04] to pay overtime every day.

[19:05] Multiple spots every day to

[19:06] keep that truck in service. So

[19:07] this will help do that. But it

[19:11] won't be. My minimum staffing

[19:11] right now is 18. It will

[19:12] remain 18. This will just be

[19:14] an extra person per shift. To

[19:18] help maintain that. And so it

[19:23] if 3 years from now that is

[19:24] their norm and what they're

[19:28] used to. Just can't Poland, 6

[19:29] out of it to stick at the new

[19:31] station at that and say my.

[19:32] >> I mean, in concept back and

[19:34] see it. But then in can he's

[19:35] going to transfer the units

[19:36] air. They'll go with their

[19:42] units. The go with the truck 3

[19:43] years now. But the unit, we

[19:44] have the units, but they're

[19:46] just move them and that we not

[19:48] don't have a different Ask 3

[19:52] years from now for. A new

[19:54] truck for that outfit. A car

[19:55] truck into ambulance. We've

[20:00] already got. Yes, sir. To be

[20:01] asking for as we work to this.

[20:02] You have replacements to

[20:02] those.

[20:06] >> As we go through it. So,

[20:09] Justin, talk a little bit the

[20:11] why. Because a lot of people

[20:14] when listening to us, are

[20:15] watching here. They don't

[20:18] really understand why

[20:20] sometimes. So we talk about

[20:21] who you're staffing. That one

[20:23] vehicle were there because you

[20:28] don't have enough staff. But

[20:31] on the same instance, we're

[20:32] running some level of overtime

[20:33] because you've got to an

[20:36] enormous amount of calls. So

[20:37] let's talk about those kind

[20:38] described the number of calls

[20:39] and what the how the increased

[20:40] over say the last 2 years,

[20:44] roughly yes or so.

[20:46] >> We actually an end 2021. We

[20:49] ran about 7500 calls. That was

[20:50] during covid. It was obviously

[20:52] a huge peak for us. It went

[20:54] from somewhere around 6800

[20:57] calls to that number. It

[20:58] dipped back down after that

[21:00] and we have climb back up. We

[21:00] are on track this year to

[21:06] around 7800 calls. Which is I

[21:08] think it's about 7, 7, or 8%

[21:08] increase.

[21:13] >> Over last year. So the call

[21:15] and I don't anticipate that to

[21:16] slow down. You know, we see

[21:17] the community building. We see

[21:18] the community growing and, you

[21:22] know, my my increased work in

[21:23] the community development

[21:24] department. I know that there

[21:25] are several other subdivisions

[21:28] coming in. And to your point,

[21:30] we know that all of those MAY

[21:31] increase our call volume and

[21:32] we work with those those

[21:33] developers as well to help try

[21:35] to fund some of these things

[21:36] up front. But the impact fees

[21:37] have changed that somewhat.

[21:39] But we do have some developer

[21:40] agreements in place already

[21:43] pre impact fee. That to help

[21:47] cover some of these costs.

[21:48] >> So if you so if you ended

[21:51] up having just go down the

[21:52] path to only had the ability

[21:54] to get 3 people out of the 6.

[21:55] What we do with those 3

[22:02] people.

[22:04] >> If I had to take 3 people,

[22:05] I I would still do the same.

[22:09] The adding to the the force

[22:10] and not the shift supervisors,

[22:14] but both of those are in

[22:15] extreme need for me. And I and

[22:17] I know everybody comes up here

[22:18] with extreme needs. You know,

[22:20] nights and weekends, I don't

[22:22] have a supervisor able to go

[22:24] to the calls as they as or

[22:25] because they're assigned to

[22:27] fire truck. So if they're on a

[22:29] call and something critical

[22:30] comes in, they're not able to

[22:32] respond to that. So 3, 8, 3,

[22:32] of these people would allow

[22:34] that person to being a truck

[22:38] by themself and respond as a

[22:41] supervisor to these major

[22:42] cause. That's what I'm getting

[22:42] to is I read this. There's 3

[22:44] people and there's 3.

[22:46] >> Lieutenant, yes, sir. And

[22:51] what what I'm trying to avoid.

[22:52] I'll quite frank you. And I

[22:56] talked today. I'm trying avoid

[22:57] building the hierarchy. That

[22:57] looks like an upside down

[23:00] triangle. Everybody

[23:01] understands that when we get

[23:04] to to have you at the top. The

[23:06] people down here below. You

[23:07] have a smaller number of

[23:10] people, so from a managerial

[23:11] standpoint, I think I

[23:14] understand where you're 3. The

[23:17] 3 lieutenants are going to

[23:20] You're using them as managers

[23:23] on each individual shifted my

[23:23] correct?

[23:23] >> Yes, sir. So they're

[23:24] actually going to take the

[23:26] place of my 3 ship captains.

[23:27] So the shift capital be on a

[23:29] truck could be a super the

[23:30] ship captain will oversee 3,

[23:32] 4, lieutenants. Each

[23:33] lieutenant overseas 3 to 4

[23:36] other people. So span of

[23:38] control is well within the the

[23:43] even now outside of. Public

[23:44] safety. It's all within. Well,

[23:45] that's what I'm getting into.

[23:46] The right is I'm trying to get

[23:48] you to talk about your span of

[23:48] control. Yes, sir. That's what

[23:49] I'm after. Right now. Span of

[23:52] control to me is is an

[23:53] essential.

[23:54] >> Component of when you look

[23:56] at the number of people you're

[23:57] hiring is if I got a one to

[23:58] one ratio and that's not a

[24:00] good span of control. Yes,

[24:01] sir. Now I don't know from

[24:03] afar. Stand when I just I know

[24:04] previous history and the

[24:05] previous history, some time

[24:08] serve you correctly that are

[24:09] span of control. At one time

[24:11] was an 8 to one ratio prayed.

[24:15] So that MAY not be applicable.

[24:18] In a fire rescue scenario.

[24:19] Yes, sir. So what's your span?

[24:20] The span of control in the

[24:23] fire rescue standpoint.

[24:23] >> 3 to 3 to 6 is standard

[24:27] throughout the industry. And I

[24:28] said where we will be at that

[24:28] 3 to 4, depending on what

[24:30] shifter station they're at and

[24:31] also keep in mind that these

[24:35] are. It's more like a crew

[24:36] leader. You know, so these

[24:39] these crews go off. It's not

[24:39] they're not sitting in an

[24:40] office where they're able

[24:43] supervise multiple people.

[24:44] They're all supervising a crew

[24:45] full crew and then the ship

[24:49] captain is supervising all of

[24:49] the crews. And then all 3 ship

[24:51] captains report back to the

[24:52] deputy chief.

[24:52] >> So you have 3 ships,

[24:54] captains. And the shift.

[24:59] Captain. Support time of the

[25:01] lieutenants for for yes a

[25:03] lieutenant as as a lieutenant,

[25:06] as for say how many people

[25:07] support 3 to 4 remaining their

[25:12] stations all right. So I we

[25:14] were going to see these charts

[25:16] appear what we just showed

[25:17] that there's a on the

[25:18] personnel services like that

[25:19] are almost with a 14%

[25:21] increase. Is that is that

[25:21] Epps? Is that correct or

[25:22] incorrect? That one is

[25:23] correct. Yes, sir. That is

[25:27] correct. Commissioner to color

[25:31] where you finish. Yeah. Just

[25:33] trying to keep I didn't know.

[25:34] What do you like? He has

[25:39] something on trying to keep

[25:53] >> anyone else. Going go to

[25:53] ship. And so what pages at

[25:56] dawn today?

[25:58] >> Just a couple pages after

[26:02] our rescue, showbiz on 205, To

[26:08] own okay, MR. Chair. So as

[26:11] that conversation done, wars,

[26:12] that's something that's going

[26:13] to be part of a Friday. Part

[26:19] of a Friday. Time I'm sorry,

[26:20] MISS. And time to give us a

[26:21] minute pace we need. You need

[26:22] to decide which way you want

[26:23] to go with it so we can give

[26:24] direction.

[26:25] >> If you want roll back with

[26:26] a different number, need to do

[26:33] that. Now. Otherwise they have

[26:34] nothing to bring back Friday

[26:35] and that should give direction

[26:35] on what you what you're

[26:37] looking to do.

[26:39] >> Well, I wasn't sure if

[26:40] Commissioner Burrows, he had

[26:41] asked the question about if

[26:42] you could only have 3 and that

[26:43] seemed like a leading

[26:44] question. So I didn't know if

[26:48] if if we just get past it or

[26:48] not?

[26:49] >> No, I'm I'm trying to

[26:53] ascertain the. Can just be

[26:54] quite frankly. I'm trying to

[26:55] ascertain the the span of

[26:58] control. And the issue boils

[27:03] down to is you know, we're

[27:04] adding quarter 6 people and

[27:05] what I I had the conversation

[27:08] with Justin earlier is that.

[27:09] Given the fact that we're at a

[27:10] point now that we don't know

[27:12] what. Everybody looks at as

[27:17] about adding people adding

[27:18] cost weather is arm or whether

[27:19] it's a special assessment they

[27:23] look at is from the standpoint

[27:23] are you doing the right things

[27:27] for the community? And when we

[27:27] take take that approach to

[27:32] say? We're expanding the

[27:35] number that were expended were

[27:36] having more coal or were on a

[27:37] We're track to have more calls

[27:40] and whether or not they have

[27:42] to transport somebody, you

[27:43] don't transport somebody.

[27:44] That's immaterial to me. That

[27:45] means have to have a somebody

[27:50] to roll with Trump. So if have

[27:51] 3 people, if you put 3 people

[27:54] out there, does that help you

[27:55] with your overtime? Obviously,

[27:58] 6 people don't help you with

[28:00] overtime because of Henri said

[28:00] that that doesn't it's not a

[28:02] wash. Do listen. 50% of the

[28:05] cost. So my point that this is

[28:09] just that. We've got to be

[28:10] very cognizant as a toll just

[28:13] in this morning that said

[28:14] potentially what we should do

[28:16] is maybe wait on these people.

[28:20] Tunnel member. And my thought

[28:22] was who is focused on? Trying

[28:24] to prepare for the future on

[28:26] the building them there. So

[28:28] you asked a question. He

[28:30] answered it a three-year time

[28:31] frame and I was going to

[28:35] continue with that. I didn't.

[28:36] You jump to the next one, I

[28:36] didn't realize we were done

[28:38] with that one. So I apologize

[28:39] to that you're standing up

[28:42] there, but I wasn't quite

[28:43] through. Can we that police

[28:45] have I'm sorry about that? We

[28:46] jumped and I didn't realize we

[28:47] were jumping. Okay, because I

[28:48] still have a couple additional

[28:50] questions. But Please

[28:51] continue.

[28:51] >> So that was the point that

[28:54] when you asked a question.

[28:56] There's 3 years a three-year

[28:59] time frame. Can we wait until

[29:00] the three-year time frame for

[29:03] adding new people? If we're

[29:03] looking only just to focus on

[29:07] the future. That's one point.

[29:11] The second point is that his

[29:11] commentary was that not only

[29:12] were looking for the future,

[29:15] but he's looking to figure out

[29:16] how to reduce the number the

[29:21] amount of overtime now. So

[29:23] it's people working to fire a

[29:25] correctly think has said the

[29:26] 62 hours averaging you're

[29:28] averaging 62 ours. Yes, sir.

[29:30] He's averaging 62 hours a

[29:31] week.

[29:32] >> 8 hours of overtime for man

[29:35] right? So

[29:38] >> are we looking to?

[29:42] According Burn out. A crew

[29:43] which we do not want write

[29:44] that we don't want to do.

[29:49] >> Vs. Brazen attacks, but

[29:50] raising the ems or fire ems

[29:51] tax in order to compensate for

[29:56] that. The point was, is that

[29:59] what's more important? Right

[30:02] at the present time

[30:03] lieutenants what's more

[30:04] important right now is not

[30:08] burning the crew out. It

[30:09] services. If you this service

[30:13] calls are expanding. Now give

[30:15] We're I'm thinking just

[30:16] written and I know some of the

[30:18] stuff is hypothetical. I just

[30:22] read another planning board.

[30:24] Petition last night, 192

[30:33] homes. 32nd. It's not include

[30:35] is collusive of some of the

[30:35] other smaller developments.

[30:38] 300 homes is other. How how

[30:39] quickly they're going to

[30:43] build. Who knows. But we do

[30:44] know there are some going to

[30:45] be built very shortly because

[30:47] as we saw in the building

[30:50] permit process on MAY. I had

[30:51] 170 something. Plus cool. In

[30:55] one month. Versus what I had

[30:59] 17480, whole year. So we start

[31:02] thinking through this. I can

[31:05] almost understand. Why we need

[31:10] to put these people. To reduce

[31:10] the number of people are the

[31:12] overtime going work. So it MAY

[31:16] not be a total wash. But it it

[31:18] helps it helps. All right. So

[31:20] that's where I was at. When I

[31:21] asked all those questions to

[31:26] him. To talk about the number

[31:28] of Kohl's. What it does to his

[31:30] people and how it helps the

[31:33] people today and get away with

[31:33] thinking about moving 2, 3,

[31:36] years down the road because

[31:36] I'm not going think about 2 in

[31:37] 3 years down the road. Think

[31:40] about NOVEMBER. 4th through

[31:43] 8th or whatever. Data that is

[31:44] when somebody comes up with

[31:46] with voters start coming up

[31:47] and we don't want property

[31:50] tax. That's in my mind today.

[31:52] About everything that we do

[31:57] from from. In this budget

[32:00] process that to reduce costs.

[32:02] Every single time. Somebody

[32:02] comes up in front of us, we're

[32:05] going to reduce cost unless

[32:06] they have a valid reason to

[32:10] increase the cost. And then

[32:11] invest dollar reason. Maybe

[32:12] the physical attribute the

[32:16] employees that we have. That's

[32:16] that's that's kind of where I

[32:19] was going. And that is that is

[32:20] one side of the coin. And it's

[32:23] certainly a good one.

[32:24] >> But then if in the same

[32:25] breath, we say those 6 will be

[32:27] for the new fire station in 3

[32:27] years.

[32:29] >> That goes back to my point.

[32:35] If they are needed. To keep us

[32:35] from having the overtime to

[32:37] keep from burning out. The

[32:38] current employees, then

[32:39] they're going to still be

[32:42] needed there 3 years from now

[32:44] when the new fire station you

[32:46] move just says to the building

[32:47] and apparatus, we're just

[32:47] getting the running because we

[32:48] don't currently have it staff.

[32:49] But if you staff and with

[32:51] this, then they go to the new

[32:51] building.

[32:54] >> So so think about this. I

[32:55] have an apparatus. That's it

[32:59] This is we're just go We have

[33:00] an apparatus sitting here in

[33:02] this not being used, right,

[33:02] because we'll have a staff

[33:06] report. It could be this. If I

[33:09] had staffing, then that would

[33:10] help reduce reduce the number

[33:10] of hours or potential overtime

[33:12] hours that I I could be

[33:15] running things. So that new

[33:17] building its new fire station

[33:18] gets built. I think this

[33:21] apparatus, those people move

[33:23] it there. And if that

[33:27] >> promise certain.

[33:31] >> When we didn't want let me

[33:33] that's not the only thing

[33:33] you're gonna have to move

[33:34] there because those 6 people

[33:37] are not gonna be a full

[33:37] complement. So in the next x

[33:38] amount of years, you're going

[33:43] to have to have. X. Plus, y.

[33:45] Yeah, I just want make sure

[33:45] you understood get all that

[33:47] part. It's it's the aches. Its

[33:51] the x. As of now.

[33:52] >> And if it's an additional

[33:53] crew running in additional

[33:56] truck. And somebody calls out

[33:58] sick, you're still going to

[33:58] have overtime on that other

[34:01] crew. So I don't I know that

[34:02] on paper. This should

[34:02] alleviate the overtime Nano

[34:06] will to some degree. But if

[34:07] they are staff to be doing a

[34:08] job and there's base beer for

[34:11] their 54 hours and some of the

[34:12] calls out you're still going

[34:12] to have over time. You're just

[34:14] gonna have been 4 spots and

[34:14] said the 3 spots ensure

[34:15] Manning a 4th crew. I'm not

[34:20] seeing that room. Try to it. I

[34:22] think for staffing 3 vehicles.

[34:24] Now this is going to allow us

[34:25] to staff for vehicles, right,

[34:26] which we will do. And then all

[34:29] 4 will be available if anybody

[34:29] calls out for many of those

[34:33] crews. You still have an

[34:34] overtime is just in 4

[34:34] different spots now instead of

[34:37] 3 different spots, CHAIRMAN.

[34:41] >> So the you're here, you're

[34:42] in your stereo there. The 4th

[34:43] one is not going to be

[34:44] mandatory field. So it will be

[34:47] filled when we're staffed.

[34:49] When people call call out sick

[34:50] or are off, it won't. We won't

[34:54] have that truck available.

[34:55] >> And those people that would

[34:56] have been scheduled for

[34:59] Wednesday on that rope. We'll

[34:59] just fade into the other ones

[35:02] to help out or

[35:02] >> they'll go home. They they

[35:04] would not be there. I mean,

[35:05] there's only 2 people on a

[35:11] truck. So. If I had one extra

[35:12] person yet they would

[35:12] generally what we do is we put

[35:15] them on a 3rd person. Our

[35:16] rescue, and that reduces

[35:17] amount of times that my fire

[35:17] engine has to go with that.

[35:21] Trump on certain calls.

[35:23] >> Filling the gaps and a new

[35:23] she is obviously way above my

[35:24] head. And you certainly know

[35:26] what you're doing there. I'm

[35:27] just trying to look at it. If

[35:28] I was on the other side of

[35:30] that camera watching I'm

[35:31] trying to get as much

[35:32] explanation out there as

[35:35] possible.

[35:38] >> And and our our call volume

[35:39] has increased commissioner

[35:40] versus current. We're

[35:42] currently experiencing it. So

[35:44] it's not a matter Not that we

[35:44] anticipated 3 years from now.

[35:46] We anticipate a new station 3

[35:46] years now because that's how

[35:48] long it takes to build it. But

[35:50] the call volume has increased

[35:51] currently. So this will allow

[35:53] me to keep that extra truck in

[35:57] service. More often than not.

[35:58] But it will also reduce the

[35:59] over time because I won't

[36:01] require when the news stations

[36:02] built it will be required. I

[36:03] will have to and I regret and

[36:04] I fully understand that point.

[36:05] We have a new station. We have

[36:08] to staff that new station and

[36:09] that

[36:10] >> increasing employees is

[36:10] going to got off of that year

[36:12] everybody is going

[36:16] >> Theres going to be on as a

[36:18] result separated.

[36:19] >> You don't have a stud, but

[36:21] i tell there's a around fire

[36:22] here. So you do have something

[36:25] from. But you catch me from

[36:27] behind from a buzzer separated

[36:28] for because there you can't

[36:28] just combine all that stuff

[36:31] together.

[36:35] >> But the new station versus.

[36:35] >> The fixed. The expanded

[36:37] number of calls. And I don't

[36:41] think that was clear. Wasn't

[36:43] going out and clear until

[36:45] asked him talk about. And I

[36:47] certainly feel better about it

[36:49] now than I But I worried about

[36:51] was and I realize that fire

[36:52] and ems are not part of the of

[36:53] the warm. So we kind of have

[36:53] to have that out mind.

[36:55] >> But if we're looking holy

[36:59] at a tax bill

[37:03] >> For the people who are our

[37:05] >> That number goes up every

[37:06] single year. Goes up at a

[37:08] faster rate than waste

[37:10] management. And I realize that

[37:11] there's more people requires

[37:16] more firemen, more. It's.

[37:20] Nothing ever goes down. Seems

[37:21] to continue to go up looked

[37:25] down. Sate 6 new employees.

[37:26] >> And before this

[37:27] conversation, I look in 6 new

[37:31] employees. Well, if times get

[37:33] lean and we have to thin the

[37:37] herd, GOD forbid. That's

[37:39] that's a lot more difficult

[37:41] then. Just grit your teeth

[37:42] again. Pretty this

[37:43] conversation that's more

[37:46] difficult. Then grit your

[37:47] teeth and doing it with less

[37:50] people. Now. Other thing in

[37:54] this, this honest in truth, we

[37:55] hired some of the new of fire

[37:56] and ems. That is a person

[37:56] who's going to get a 5.8%

[37:57] raise every year. Whether we

[38:01] like it or not, because the

[38:02] union contract. So we also

[38:06] have be mindful of that. At

[38:08] 7%, something doubles every 10

[38:09] years. So it takes roughly 12

[38:12] and a half at 6%. A double. So

[38:13] every person you hire unless

[38:14] you eventually fired in which

[38:16] we don't want to do. That

[38:19] salaries. Double. And 12

[38:20] years. And if any of us are

[38:21] still sitting here, think

[38:22] about that number that time.

[38:25] So. I know that small-ball

[38:30] thinking. If really step back

[38:32] and look at it, it's not. So

[38:33] every employee that we take

[38:38] there is a 6% guaranteed year.

[38:39] And that doesn't include fica.

[38:39] And that doesn't include

[38:42] insurance and all that. So

[38:43] looking at got a mighty look

[38:46] at our tax bill. I'm just

[38:47] trying to make sure we don't

[38:49] put our self and I know that

[38:50] it's not ad valorem, but it is

[38:50] still something that our

[38:53] people pay. And I just want to

[38:54] be transparent, mindful as

[38:56] possible. Not to let that

[38:59] number get. So insurmountable

[39:00] that that. There's nothing we

[39:05] can do about it.

[39:06] >> I appreciate your

[39:06] conversation because I think

[39:07] that's necessary for the

[39:11] public. I'll add to this rose

[39:16] to 2 core services. So let's

[39:17] assume that NOVEMBER, they

[39:20] pass this amendment. For

[39:21] services or what you're going

[39:26] to be funding tax. These with.

[39:27] And then you'll have your

[39:28] special assessments over here

[39:31] on the other side, a core

[39:32] services as we sit here today

[39:34] is defined as public safety.

[39:40] So we talk about. Hypothetical

[39:42] Wells, as you talk about as we

[39:42] move into the future, we come

[39:46] down. We have downturn in the

[39:49] economy and we don't sending

[39:50] her does I think is your usage

[39:51] of of of laying people off?

[39:52] The one thing you would not

[39:56] do. He wouldn't do Notley and

[39:58] law enforcement. In a fire and

[40:04] ems person. You'll play off of

[40:05] the people before you get

[40:06] relative to whatever passes in

[40:08] NOVEMBER. Because those are

[40:11] core services. Which is why

[40:14] you cannot lay them off once

[40:15] you've hired them. You realize

[40:16] you're making it permanent.

[40:20] >> For ever higher of those 6

[40:21] additional people held today

[40:22] for the we build that station

[40:26] years from now or not. That's

[40:28] true. Very true. And tears and

[40:29] that's to reason want to have

[40:31] this discussion more in detail

[40:34] to make people understand that

[40:36] this is not about the news

[40:36] station. This is about making

[40:39] sure that we have. Group of

[40:41] people that are confident and

[40:48] not burned out. And based on

[40:48] the fact of the number of

[40:49] calls and then a number of

[40:52] things because ultimate, you

[40:52] heard you heard what I said

[40:55] the first day of this.

[40:56] CHAIRMAN. I have a really

[40:56] interesting debate about

[41:00] mileage rates. Cut taxes

[41:01] somewhere one way or the

[41:07] other. Some people going to be

[41:09] unhappy. Applauded the bocc

[41:10] county administrator for

[41:12] coming in 4%. Good people

[41:13] didn't didn't pay attention

[41:15] that I got some people that

[41:16] come. But 4%, which was

[41:19] appreciated. And that's reason

[41:22] asked him about the 14%.

[41:23] Because we have to validate

[41:28] while we're doing that. If

[41:28] you're if you're taking a look

[41:30] at this pro approach that

[41:31] we're taking on these on these

[41:32] particular things, like, for

[41:35] example, we got. In 2021 to

[41:38] level say 2021 at 7500 calls a

[41:40] bit into down. 26 years. 68 or

[41:44] 7800. That's 300 calls. 7, 6

[41:49] year period. But we do have a

[41:49] gross very much in that

[41:54] either. So now we're seeing is

[41:55] that we're going to have to

[41:56] focus on what whatever the

[41:56] health of the of the

[41:59] employers. Bottom line is

[42:02] that? I'm not crazy about

[42:07] having. Hired 6 people.

[42:10] Because at the end of the

[42:11] collect some of the stuff I

[42:12] was working with last night.

[42:16] People are freezing. You got

[42:19] to do what to do with. We

[42:22] could take that approach and

[42:23] the next thing I know he'll be

[42:25] in front of me. Or whoever it

[42:29] MAY be says my I got a person

[42:31] who for our her ends. And with

[42:37] that clearly. Is important.

[42:38] That's the dilemma that and

[42:41] that's the dilemma. And like

[42:42] you said, we're sitting here

[42:42] trying to be stewards whether

[42:44] its ad valorem.

[42:47] >> Or otherwise. Our job is to

[42:53] be stewards of this money.

[42:56] Like you. If there is a good

[42:56] calls and thereby GOD is a

[42:57] good cause. And if the voters

[42:59] don't like it well done. Vote

[43:00] us out. If we did right, if we

[43:04] did right. With what we

[43:05] believe with this money, then

[43:10] that's all we can do. 6 at

[43:13] once just isn't. Is a painful

[43:14] pill I am or sold on it than I

[43:19] was. I am certainly not going

[43:24] I mean we don't tend to sit

[43:25] here and take votes as we go

[43:26] through. This was a go back

[43:26] sharpen your pencil and so

[43:31] forth. If the rest of the

[43:32] board is satisfied with this

[43:35] as it is clearly the equipment

[43:35] go, oh, my GOD. That's up.

[43:38] Another $600,000 If you have

[43:38] to have the equipment, you

[43:41] have to have the equipment. If

[43:41] you have a truck that you

[43:45] replace and and the stretchers

[43:46] got to go in the truck and

[43:47] takes machine but stretcher in

[43:47] there. And that's $125,000.

[43:51] And that's just what it is.

[43:52] It's like making with the

[43:54] software it costs what it

[43:56] costs. And if they triple a

[43:59] dawning, he's got to have a

[44:00] software to do. His business

[44:01] wing set up here and my GOD,

[44:02] that's ridiculous offense what

[44:03] it calls. That's what it

[44:04] calls. Well, you and I are on

[44:08] the same page about the people

[44:10] piece of it. There's no doubt

[44:11] about that were on the same

[44:13] page about adding people. It's

[44:14] it's heartburn, right? Present

[44:16] time. He's Hartman at the pro.

[44:16] Right? So

[44:17] >> what I'm trying I'm trying

[44:21] to provide. Some analysis so

[44:22] that we can be comfortable

[44:23] with the decision that we make

[44:27] here on the sport. And if

[44:28] anybody and I know this

[44:29] conversation been back and

[44:30] forth between you and I, but

[44:31] just so if anybody else wants

[44:33] to jump in here, that's fine.

[44:34] But I think at the end of the

[44:35] day is that we got to be

[44:37] caucus is what we have blow a

[44:37] little. Will say this one

[44:40] thing in the front. Senate

[44:44] Bill, 180. Had a pair that

[44:49] just. It's not I'm not happy

[44:52] with we try to get out of But

[44:54] group with the baseline it was

[44:55] recommended that cities and

[44:57] counties go to a 42. Our work

[44:58] week. That's a lot of money

[45:00] for us for for fire and ems.

[45:03] Something we cannot afford. I

[45:07] could I think we can afford 6

[45:08] people vs going to a 42. Our

[45:11] work week.

[45:12] >> And if that 42, our work

[45:15] week gets implemented. Having

[45:17] 6 additional people on hand

[45:21] too, down to that would make

[45:23] that any easier transition as

[45:24] well. I think what dish the

[45:24] reason I'm bringing this up,

[45:26] you can just jump in if you

[45:27] like.

[45:29] >> I think that some of the

[45:29] commentary late it's been

[45:32] happening in the

[45:33] administration is previous

[45:34] administration has been trying

[45:35] to get to a 52 hour work week

[45:40] so that we can start. Manage

[45:40] it better from an overtime

[45:42] standpoint. My correct or

[45:43] incorrect yester current.

[45:45] Currently. We're at a 56 hour

[45:45] work week again. Put not

[45:47] counting the additional

[45:47] overtime.

[45:48] >> We do pay them overtime

[45:51] after 53. And the 6 people

[45:53] will get us to that. 53. So

[45:54] that's another good tailing

[45:59] feature. You get go. Help that

[46:03] it's far from the 42 it and

[46:05] and quite frankly, I have no

[46:07] interest as your fire chief to

[46:08] come back and recommend that

[46:08] we even attempt to get to a

[46:10] 42. Our work week. I don't I

[46:13] don't think it's achievable.

[46:14] Not only cost wise, but I

[46:15] couldn't hire that many

[46:16] people. I would have to hire

[46:19] 20 plus something people. As

[46:21] we sit and I don't I don't

[46:22] know that I could hire that

[46:25] many if allow me to do it. So.

[46:27] Frank, Frank, with volunteer?

[46:34] Its Jessica.

[46:35] >> On the assessment, define a

[46:38] mass assessment. And I know

[46:41] that we've we have studies and

[46:41] tell us do that had that we

[46:42] take into account for the new

[46:46] construction. I mean, from

[46:47] what you know, Commissioner

[46:48] Burrows mention how many

[46:50] houses next to you. One 92

[46:51] when 92 between you and the

[46:53] Pizza Hut. There's that many

[46:55] more. I can name you but

[46:58] basics. It's cut numbers in

[46:59] there that as some point with

[47:00] under deal less. So when we

[47:03] take those and there is there

[47:04] a chance that that we could

[47:07] the big level on increase on

[47:09] assessment.

[47:10] >> So I know in the current

[47:11] fiscal year proposed budget,

[47:15] we do have a some funds

[47:19] allocated to start. A new one

[47:20] so that way. It can include

[47:22] some of these items. I'm not

[47:23] necessarily sure maybe chief

[47:24] can speak on it more in terms

[47:26] of the Stan Tech study.

[47:27] >> On, if it included, I know

[47:28] there are some things left

[47:29] out, but I'm not sure if this

[47:31] is one of them. CHAIRMAN, the

[47:33] concept behind it is that.

[47:37] >> It's based on the need per

[47:37] unit.

[47:38] >> An additional units would

[47:41] include additional needs.

[47:42] >> But the plan that was put

[47:46] in place 5 years ago was

[47:47] that's how the Stan Tech study

[47:47] was based on. And it was based

[47:51] on that growth with what they

[47:52] estimated to be the growth.

[47:53] But I mean you know, I don't

[47:55] know that anybody expected us

[47:56] to go 3 or 4 years with no

[47:58] growth. And then all the

[47:58] sudden c this this rapid

[47:59] growth right here at the end

[48:05] of it. But I do see your point

[48:05] at some point. And I do

[48:07] believe with impact fees and

[48:09] all of this new growth. I

[48:10] believe that we will large

[48:11] reduction in our capital

[48:15] budget, which reduce the need

[48:18] to raise assessments.

[48:19] >> In fact, these are going to

[48:21] help in terms of that. 2 of

[48:22] the building of build out.

[48:23] Yes. So I mean, I think the

[48:25] reasons why we did right and

[48:26] and what one of the reasons we

[48:32] went 100%. Versus 60%. Correct

[48:33] is the reason just what he's

[48:34] standing in front of that they

[48:36] would help pay for this. They

[48:37] would help pay for that at

[48:37] 100%. We would not have to put

[48:39] money into it. And that was

[48:44] the whole reason. I kept.

[48:45] Batteries. You end This what

[48:48] pay the assessment too. So I

[48:49] just think in the long run we

[48:51] take a look at the from a pro.

[48:55] You approach to budget wise. I

[48:58] can accept the 6 people today

[48:59] relative to what you just

[49:00] talked about over that over

[49:02] the period of time. Not get

[49:06] into. And we can validate,

[49:07] like I said, you know, going

[49:10] to the 50 look at 2 workweek

[49:13] whatever, it MAY 3. Yes, sir.

[49:15] 53. It still has a reduction

[49:17] in overtime which has

[49:18] production and the potential

[49:21] health of the employee. And

[49:22] with some assurance to me that

[49:23] when that 4th station gets

[49:27] built, that it's

[49:29] >> these existing extra units,

[49:30] they go there and that at that

[49:31] time were not standing here

[49:31] asking for additional units to

[49:33] go to stage. Yes. All right.

[49:35] Or as many.

[49:36] >> I something just for

[49:38] second. I want to praise your

[49:44] little. The last meetings,

[49:49] sensitive took this position.

[49:53] To waive handle Dust I got

[49:56] family in the fire department.

[49:58] I don't know if the public

[49:59] always they don't get to maybe

[50:01] hear the stories. I get to

[50:02] hear about the fire and the

[50:04] baby that. Was trapped in the

[50:07] car. Other thick things they

[50:12] do. All other think I hear on

[50:16] Facebook, you know, who else

[50:17] we should outsource this and

[50:18] outsourced Why are we paying

[50:19] for them to sleep at a

[50:20] station? I don't think they

[50:22] get it. Yes, sir. But there's

[50:24] a lot more to this fire

[50:25] department. Public really

[50:26] realizes. And just want to

[50:29] thank you for what you do.

[50:30] >> I appreciate that. I do

[50:31] want to give a shout out to my

[50:31] cruise. I mean, they're

[50:34] absolutely amazing. We had.

[50:34] >> a call.

[50:38] >> Last last believe it was a

[50:41] pediatric drowning and the

[50:43] child was lifeless. No pets,

[50:44] no restoration got there. And

[50:44] I just got to pick Trevor this

[50:45] week where she's sitting in a

[50:48] wheelchair. Awake and talking

[50:50] to our want to bring that up

[50:51] before the budget because

[50:54] that's not what a a.

[50:56] >> That there's hundreds of

[50:57] the story. Yes, and you

[50:58] clearly know, Justin. I mean,

[51:01] you know, all have done more

[51:04] with helping with deadpan.

[51:05] Then I could. So, you o'Neal's

[51:10] sister. Most of the reason

[51:11] that conversation was just had

[51:12] its own people out there,

[51:13] naysayers. You can see the

[51:16] sausage get made. The get the

[51:19] full explanation. And get some

[51:23] promises. To that future that

[51:24] we're working towards its not

[51:26] just going to be a snow ball

[51:28] on top of it. And whether j#

[51:28] #

[51:29] standing there Wheather Onthe

[51:29] even sitting here 3 years from

[51:34] now. Whoever is I hope they

[51:36] hold. I hope they they hold

[51:38] that from Yes, sir. And and

[51:39] you can. You can ask MISS Lisa

[51:41] staff. I have given my staff

[51:42] clear direction.

[51:43] >> To look for alternative

[51:43] sources of funding, whether

[51:44] that be grants or or

[51:44] partnerships or anything else

[51:48] where? I'm a taxpayer here,

[51:50] too. And I be firm believer in

[51:52] being stewards of our money.

[51:52] So I would ask for something

[51:53] if I didn't think it was

[51:57] critical. So.

[51:57] >> So commissioner summer and

[51:59] I'll shut up I want you to

[52:04] realize one other thing too.

[52:05] And I just thought that is

[52:06] that this witness additional

[52:08] station has been, quote,

[52:09] unquote, build. There's

[52:09] there's additional opportunity

[52:14] for. Fire and ems assessments.

[52:19] Little bit further south.

[52:20] >> And counting on that. And

[52:21] and I don't talk about out

[52:22] loud because it's nothing

[52:27] that. As a guarantee.

[52:29] >> No, but I'm sure that is

[52:30] being worked. Yes, we're

[52:31] working, right. Just want to

[52:32] make sure that we. It's just

[52:35] not that we're going use exact

[52:39] our existing. People here to

[52:40] do that. We're working on

[52:44] helping other areas that

[52:45] currently are providing they

[52:46] pay are currently let's

[52:49] spending that money. Yes. And

[52:50] we get compensated for and we

[52:53] get compensated for it. What

[52:54] we should be getting

[52:56] compensated So. Just wanted to

[52:58] that end. So it's we if you

[53:00] didn't remember that, not can

[53:04] we talk about the sausage?

[53:07] >> I am thank you so much. So

[53:09] it was a told told you this

[53:10] morning it was going make all

[53:11] kinds of sausage, big and

[53:14] small. Well, I'm glad we had

[53:15] that conversation. We did just

[53:18] get just get Apologize for not

[53:21] making sure buddy was killed

[53:25] on so anyone Thank you, ok? So

[53:34] are we ok? What would Thank

[53:37] you, Commissioner. Thank you.

[53:41] Okay. MISS An ace. It's your

[53:44] second time. Welcome back.

[53:46] >> This is my second time. And

[53:49] I think this is my last time.

[53:50] >> He said that yesterday

[53:53] every time I see her, she's

[53:54] walking out with a box with

[53:55] its I were good about going

[53:57] have to start following are

[53:58] out and see which open spot.

[54:02] Yeah, small is going to

[54:03] disappear, though.

[54:04] >> You'll see tomorrow for

[54:05] regular bocc meeting with this

[54:06] is my last budget present.

[54:07] You're going to be stuffed

[54:12] with no chandler instead Think

[54:13] those who know cameras much

[54:14] better She got down Wofford

[54:17] and then cool.

[54:18] >> I mean, you said I'm going

[54:20] from the frying pan into the

[54:23] fire, a

[54:23] >> And I want to get friend of

[54:24] mine so I can tease quite a

[54:25] bit.

[54:29] >> And no and his kidneys.

[54:31] Couple months older me, And

[54:31] you never let him forget it.

[54:35] That's

[54:36] >> I think, know, there's

[54:38] anybody older than you, but

[54:44] is. All right. Go ahead. I'm

[54:44] sorry. All right. Before I get

[54:47] started, I want to echo Justin

[54:48] his leave sentiments on the

[54:49] budget process this year. What

[54:50] the public doesn't realize is

[54:51] that.

[54:52] >> From a staff perspective,

[54:54] we start this process back in

[54:56] JANUARY. So this has been

[54:57] something we've been dealing

[54:58] with now for several months.

[54:59] And I can't give Lisa and her

[55:03] team enough. Kudos. Justin

[55:04] Nelson, Lisa and I have been

[55:07] meeting since JANUARY with the

[55:08] leadership changes, Justin,

[55:09] he's Leaf and Jessica added to

[55:10] that group and we have met at

[55:13] least monthly if not more

[55:14] often, to make sure we're

[55:18] staying on process. So this

[55:19] year's process has been the

[55:21] smoothest. I have experienced

[55:24] in the 8 years. I've been here

[55:25] and I have to give Lisa and

[55:27] her team kudos for that.

[55:27] Despite leadership changes,

[55:29] despite her department

[55:31] changes, this has been a

[55:33] really amazing process to

[55:34] bring budget to you in a very

[55:37] challenging time.

[55:38] >> Would you mind articulating

[55:41] what you told me a study what

[55:42] what the staff is being going

[55:44] been going through with that

[55:48] with the reductions the 5%

[55:49] temperature you mind repeating

[55:51] and my staff, my staff

[55:52] specifically and I can't speak

[55:53] for for the rest of the team,

[55:55] but my staff specifically

[55:55] >> have gone through their

[56:00] own. Expect it experiences of

[56:01] drafting this budget and then

[56:03] looking at what a 10% decrease

[56:05] of 15% decrease. And even a 40

[56:08] or 50% decrease would look

[56:10] like they understand how

[56:12] important it is to be fiscal

[56:13] stewards of taxpayer dollars.

[56:15] They're all taxpayers

[56:17] themselves. They understand

[56:19] how important it is to respect

[56:20] this budget and to not be

[56:22] wasteful. And so they are

[56:23] already anticipating what it's

[56:29] going to take to make those

[56:30] decreases. And I will tell you

[56:32] these departments have for a

[56:34] long time understood how

[56:35] important it is to stretch the

[56:37] dollar and they stretch every

[56:39] year they returned to reserves

[56:42] when they can, but they really

[56:45] do make effective use of

[56:46] taxpayer dollars. They are

[56:47] always mindful of can we do

[56:49] this cheaper? Can we do this

[56:50] more effectively? Can we find

[56:50] creative solutions? Can we

[56:52] find alternative funding? They

[56:56] work very hard at that. So I

[56:56] understand the public's

[56:59] perspective isn't always.

[57:03] >> a knowledgeable think

[57:04] opponents say. And I encourage

[57:04] them to ask the questions.

[57:05] They're asking to the people

[57:07] who understand the answers.

[57:12] >> Instead of the Facebook.

[57:13] Face wonder about their one

[57:14] thing you have bailed on in

[57:16] and your whole time here.

[57:16] Right?

[57:17] >> You have never made her

[57:18] smile. Sitting in the budget

[57:22] meeting.

[57:28] >> We scared. Are scared?

[57:29] She's going she's going out to

[57:30] smile a little bit each and

[57:31] every time because we're not

[57:32] all hours that they're still

[57:33] it because this.

[57:37] >> You've got to have some,

[57:37] you know, level of

[57:38] conversation here and make

[57:40] this easy because this is not

[57:42] easy, I will say in the 8

[57:43] years that I've been here,

[57:44] I've seen some pretty amazing

[57:47] hires. She is top of the list.

[57:47] >> She has really been a

[57:49] phenomenal addition to our

[57:51] leadership team. She her

[57:53] knowledge on both the hr side

[57:54] and the finance side is has

[57:57] really added a lot of value

[57:57] and she doesn't get get the

[57:59] credit she needs to get for

[58:03] that. So.

[58:04] >> She is very good. By the

[58:07] see it. And I've told that to

[58:08] rest race not only was mix of

[58:10] the tire, but she does a good

[58:14] job of hiring said that

[58:14] absolutely Contrary to what

[58:15] the public might think. We

[58:17] don't do the She looks that

[58:21] are new hire right next to it.

[58:22] >> she is she has been truly a

[58:23] phenomenal guide for the

[58:24] leadership team to be able to

[58:25] come to her with personnel

[58:28] issues with hiring issues,

[58:30] with budget issues that I

[58:32] couldn't imagine the job that

[58:33] she has.

[58:34] >> I truly and I didn't come

[58:37] up here just sing her praises.

[58:39] But truly, she has one of the

[58:40] most difficult jobs in the

[58:42] county to handle both hr and

[58:45] budget. I don't know anyone

[58:45] else who could do it with the

[58:48] grace and poise that she does

[58:49] with She has assured me she's

[58:50] not interested in working for

[58:55] the city. Yeah.

[58:59] >> So So you into border. But

[59:00] I will be calling her for

[59:05] advice. And Rick, what And a

[59:06] ship. Thank you for that. A

[59:07] little soapbox. I appreciate

[59:10] your your patients with me.

[59:12] >> Ship is our state Housing

[59:13] Initiative program. This

[59:15] funded through state

[59:17] allocation. Okeechobee County

[59:20] is a small fiscally

[59:20] constrained county, receives

[59:21] the lowest amount of

[59:22] allocations by the state,

[59:26] which is $350,000 with a few

[59:27] other revenues that come in

[59:30] here to take us up to 3.89.

[59:31] That's intrest in some payoffs

[59:33] on some loans and things like

[59:35] that. So we are looking at a

[59:40] projected revenue of $389,200.

[59:42] 10% of that 350,000 that comes

[59:44] in can be used for

[59:45] administrative costs. And what

[59:47] we recognized over the past 2

[59:47] years that I've been involved

[59:50] in this department is that we

[59:52] were not allocating that

[59:53] correctly to salaries. So we

[59:55] were taking that $350,000

[59:55] putting it in contracted

[59:57] services and not utilizing it

[1:00:00] for those salary costs. We

[1:00:02] also a couple of years ago

[1:00:03] before I joined the department

[1:00:07] before least so is here. There

[1:00:08] was a little bit of a

[1:00:10] discrepancy in how we handled

[1:00:13] some of the balance forward

[1:00:15] funds. So in the ship

[1:00:17] accounts, we have 3 years when

[1:00:18] someone comes in or when we

[1:00:19] get our allocation, we have 3

[1:00:22] years to spend that money. So

[1:00:23] there's a lot of kind of roll

[1:00:25] over and moving forward and

[1:00:26] things that are very

[1:00:26] confusing.

[1:00:29] >> In this budget line. So you

[1:00:30] see that we have operating

[1:00:33] expenses last year of

[1:00:38] $336,142. This was us making

[1:00:39] some adjustments. So that's a

[1:00:43] lower amount than normal that

[1:00:44] 470,344 operating expenses

[1:00:47] back into a more of a normal

[1:00:51] normal operating expenses that

[1:00:52] we see the non-operating. You

[1:00:53] see that we are trying to kind

[1:00:56] of get that that reserve that

[1:00:58] cash, that balance forward

[1:01:01] fund back in to where it's

[1:01:02] supposed to be. So Lisa has

[1:01:04] done a lot of work. When I

[1:01:04] give her kudos, she has earned

[1:01:07] especially in this account to

[1:01:07] try and get this back where it

[1:01:11] needs to be and get everything

[1:01:12] kind of moving forward for

[1:01:14] Justin Hayes, a leaf to take

[1:01:16] over in a better place there's

[1:01:17] still a little tweaks that

[1:01:20] need to happen. But at this

[1:01:21] point, I'm confident that we

[1:01:22] are back in a better place

[1:01:24] with this. So we are looking

[1:01:26] at a 21% decrease in our total

[1:01:28] budget. But again, this is

[1:01:29] funded through ship funds,

[1:01:33] affordable housing funds. So

[1:01:34] this isn't a ad valorem our

[1:01:37] general fund account at all. I

[1:01:38] probably confused the heck out

[1:01:40] of me. Me any questions. You

[1:01:45] have.

[1:01:46] >> So your cash balance this

[1:01:46] year's what 79,000? Yes,

[1:01:48] that's and that's that. And so

[1:01:52] the 3.50.

[1:01:52] >> What does that come a

[1:01:53] usually comes in AUGUST,

[1:01:57] SEPTEMBER someplace in there.

[1:01:57] So it's what we're budgeting

[1:02:00] for for the next fiscal year

[1:02:00] starting in OCTOBER. So

[1:02:02] usually OCTOBER NOVEMBER is

[1:02:05] when we start being able to

[1:02:07] offer those funds. How do you

[1:02:07] distribute that? I mean, what

[1:02:08] was criteria terms of

[1:02:11] distributing the 350,000 So

[1:02:14] it'll be closer to 3.15,

[1:02:15] because clouds are going to

[1:02:16] come out of that were allowed

[1:02:16] to use 10% of that allocation

[1:02:19] for administrative costs. The

[1:02:22] rest go through an application

[1:02:23] our affordable housing

[1:02:23] coordinator, which is vacant

[1:02:26] right now. So anybody wants to

[1:02:27] work in field, please reach

[1:02:31] out to the county, but the

[1:02:33] Affordable housing coordinator

[1:02:34] basically opens up an

[1:02:35] application process. They have

[1:02:37] to meet the criteria that set

[1:02:37] in the l hat, which is the

[1:02:41] local housing

[1:02:42] >> I know prove plan. Other

[1:02:46] assistance plan. Thank you

[1:02:49] >> so they do have to meet

[1:02:50] that criteria. There are

[1:02:51] several ways that this funding

[1:02:51] can assist them. It can

[1:02:54] through emergency repairs. It

[1:02:59] can be through foreclosure, an

[1:02:59] eviction prevention or through

[1:03:00] Like first home buyer type

[1:03:07] situations.

[1:03:08] >> When we have the Affordable

[1:03:11] Housing Committee, it we need

[1:03:15] to 2 years. Yes. And I have

[1:03:16] people volunteer for that one.

[1:03:17] Like that from made that much.

[1:03:22] They do. A sea of the county's

[1:03:24] actually bring the ship

[1:03:25] program that bucket

[1:03:26] applications to the

[1:03:27] commission. And I'm not

[1:03:28] advocating a net, but it might

[1:03:29] be time to send it to that

[1:03:30] Affordable Housing Committee

[1:03:31] and let them review on before

[1:03:34] we. Give a lot of funds see a

[1:03:38] lot of foreclosures.

[1:03:40] >> It might be good to at

[1:03:42] least convene that committee a

[1:03:42] few times this year and let

[1:03:43] them see what the applications

[1:03:47] we receive are what's been

[1:03:48] approved. Usually that

[1:03:48] committee convenes to go over

[1:03:52] the l Happ. The plan itself

[1:03:53] and to make any changes to

[1:03:55] that plan. That plan also has

[1:03:56] to get approved by the state.

[1:03:58] So there's a lot of processes

[1:03:59] with that. The committee is

[1:04:01] one step in that process.

[1:04:02] >> And I know the emergencies

[1:04:03] huge. You have to do that. But

[1:04:07] I mean, get The committee and

[1:04:07] they brought it to the

[1:04:08] commission and we were paying

[1:04:11] first last and security. So,

[1:04:12] you know, and that affected a

[1:04:14] lot of landlords because it

[1:04:19] the Randleman that go to

[1:04:20] Commissioner good bridge get

[1:04:23] all that paid up front. So we

[1:04:24] changed said I think now then

[1:04:25] we can pay the security that

[1:04:29] we can pay first and security.

[1:04:31] Abe is was it the first and

[1:04:32] last but not whichever

[1:04:33] whichever way it is because

[1:04:33] somebody have some skin in the

[1:04:36] game. Might be something we

[1:04:44] want to talk about. Thank you.

[1:04:45] Any questions comments for

[1:04:57] that one? Thank you so much.

[1:04:58] >> Our next fund in your

[1:04:59] budget Workbook should be on

[1:05:00] Page 209. Is the community

[1:05:05] development block grant. These

[1:05:06] funds receive due to

[1:05:06] completion of a previous cdbg

[1:05:09] disaster relief program and

[1:05:11] which homes were rehab due to

[1:05:13] damages from Hurricane Wilma

[1:05:17] in 2005, you can see

[1:05:19] year-over-year these funds

[1:05:32] don't change. It's $61,553.

[1:05:34] >> questions? So what can we

[1:05:40] do with it?

[1:05:43] >> We are still researching I

[1:05:44] know prior administration had

[1:05:45] they've had some turnover with

[1:05:53] when this. Program came

[1:05:54] Implementation and we are

[1:05:58] reaching out to that prior

[1:05:59] administrator within the

[1:06:01] Florida car, Cdbg area

[1:06:02] identify how they can be used

[1:06:05] has not been clear to on how

[1:06:07] they can be used. But what we

[1:06:09] do know it can be used for

[1:06:10] affordable housing. It's just

[1:06:11] a matter of what you think it

[1:06:12] has before double housing. I

[1:06:15] think it can't be repairs.

[1:06:16] >> I'm thinking about if we

[1:06:19] could use it every day, Hrs

[1:06:20] bill, what it what it can do

[1:06:21] that health department

[1:06:21] building follow the things

[1:06:24] you're doing, did it. Justin?

[1:06:28] So that would that would help

[1:06:29] tremendously. You got to just

[1:06:31] pay attention to what are the

[1:06:31] guidelines no hurricane

[1:06:32] repairs. And so this is going

[1:06:34] to be in preparation for. As

[1:06:37] shelter.

[1:06:38] >> But hurricane repairs going

[1:06:40] to referenced to.

[1:06:44] Constituency. I believe when

[1:06:45] you read community development

[1:06:50] block grants. Not 4

[1:06:51] infrastructure, infrastructure

[1:06:52] for the county is descendants

[1:06:56] ask in this. Ask.

[1:06:56] >> mean, if could use it for

[1:07:00] something to The benefit the

[1:07:06] tax payers would be good.

[1:07:06] >> Only a problem. People

[1:07:10] which Thank you, MISS What

[1:07:14] else?

[1:07:15] >> Our next fun is the

[1:07:18] Landfill Trust Fund, which is

[1:07:18] page to 13 in your budget

[1:07:22] workbook. This is a special

[1:07:24] revenue fund used to account

[1:07:25] for a portion of solid waste,

[1:07:26] host fees to the private

[1:07:28] contractor operating the

[1:07:30] Okeechobee Landfill. These are

[1:07:31] committed by the county

[1:07:31] ordinance to a reserve to

[1:07:35] allow county funds to provide

[1:07:35] the service. Should the

[1:07:36] landfill be reverted back to

[1:07:39] the county? So our current

[1:07:40] budget for the fiscal year

[1:07:44] proposed. 26 27 operating

[1:07:48] expenses are $606,667. The non

[1:07:51] operating costs for the sick

[1:07:53] out. Our 2, 10 million,

[1:07:57] 675,000, $171 for a total

[1:08:02] budget of 10 million, 681,000,

[1:08:04] $838, which is a 0.5 5%

[1:08:18] increase.

[1:08:19] >> How much do we owe it to

[1:08:20] much of we've taken out of

[1:08:24] there. So in loans longer

[1:08:26] things that we take out like

[1:08:27] for the boat ramp and things

[1:08:30] like then much to really. It's

[1:08:35] still Would you like for me to

[1:08:36] provide you that don't know.

[1:08:37] It's okay. I'm I'm just say

[1:08:38] I'm not trying on the spot.

[1:08:40] I'm just trying to have a

[1:08:42] discussion. So, you know, the

[1:08:43] we we had discussion of the

[1:08:44] day is we don't have too many

[1:08:47] reserves. Will it

[1:08:48] >> Repay the money we take and

[1:08:49] hear your reserves would be

[1:08:52] inland and you still have. The

[1:08:54] fund there could be used for.

[1:08:57] Multiple things. I was under

[1:09:00] the impression that. For the

[1:09:01] time of the air ramp. So that

[1:09:04] was alone. And we're going to

[1:09:11] repay through. The money we

[1:09:11] could get from the boating

[1:09:12] Improvement trust fund and

[1:09:16] money from Bass Pro.

[1:09:17] >> What that would that we had

[1:09:18] to take out of here. But it

[1:09:19] won't. It wouldn't pay the

[1:09:28] whole out to do that. We would

[1:09:29] take many other finance a fire

[1:09:30] trucks things like that.

[1:09:34] That's a lie. That's always

[1:09:35] voted on day was to take the

[1:09:35] money out of there to fund

[1:09:41] that.

[1:09:42] >> going question it was

[1:09:43] alone. We're going to play it

[1:09:46] back pro closing money and the

[1:09:54] boater Improvement Trust fund.

[1:09:55] >> That was put that money

[1:09:56] back where they just so. That

[1:10:02] was a model. He was right.

[1:10:13] Mark this down.

[1:10:15] >> What we can use the city.

[1:10:21] >> Bpg. So it can be used on

[1:10:25] public facilities. Okay.

[1:10:28] Here's some money for you.

[1:10:29] Have over there your

[1:10:29] conditions or whatever you

[1:10:32] have. You will have repay the

[1:10:36] landfill. Trust. The

[1:10:41] pardoning.

[1:10:47] >> a Category 4 or whatever.

[1:10:53] >> Anything else on this one.

[1:10:54] Okay. Next to have MISTER

[1:10:55] Nelson for the cemetery.

[1:11:06] Trust. That would be to 18

[1:11:10] street team. So.

[1:11:10] >> Good morning. CHAIRMAN

[1:11:11] Commissioners County

[1:11:15] administrator. In front of you

[1:11:16] presenting for the cemetery

[1:11:20] trust fund. So im personnel

[1:11:21] services. We have an increase

[1:11:24] of $3,864, which is an

[1:11:30] increase of 4.9 0% operating

[1:11:31] expenses. We have an increase

[1:11:33] of $9,284 at 13.7, 8%. And I

[1:11:38] just want to bring up the

[1:11:40] reason for that kind of

[1:11:42] increase for that, that will

[1:11:44] be this will be a single year

[1:11:44] increase because if the

[1:11:45] capital items are approved,

[1:11:48] some of that is too fund the

[1:11:52] furniture. And some of those

[1:11:53] items that would come out of

[1:11:56] that non capital for that

[1:11:57] renovation or that

[1:11:58] improvement. That is it. That

[1:12:00] is shown within our capital.

[1:12:01] So some of this will to be

[1:12:02] like the fte in some of those

[1:12:04] items will be coming out. That

[1:12:07] said this is kind of just a

[1:12:07] one-year increase. That's

[1:12:11] significant increase this

[1:12:16] year. Capital expenses we are.

[1:12:19] We're looking at it. $67,000

[1:12:21] and capital moving forward for

[1:12:22] that. And that would be for

[1:12:24] the office. We've course built

[1:12:25] the building over the last 2

[1:12:27] years. We've got the building

[1:12:30] built, but this would be for

[1:12:31] the actual bill doubt of the

[1:12:32] building. That would be the

[1:12:33] ada compliant restrooms that

[1:12:34] we will have an ad, a restroom

[1:12:36] at that site and it would be

[1:12:39] the office building for the on

[1:12:43] site Cemetery office. And

[1:12:45] other than that, we have at

[1:12:46] Fort Drum there says they've

[1:12:48] done a lot of fence repairs

[1:12:50] there previous years, but we

[1:12:50] do have a divider fence. We

[1:12:53] need to keep people. We kind

[1:12:55] of have an issue with some

[1:12:57] people they currently living

[1:13:01] behind the back side of it. So

[1:13:02] they've done a really good job

[1:13:03] of clearing most of that

[1:13:04] property now. But we do need

[1:13:06] to divide that property off

[1:13:07] and that would be for the

[1:13:08] divider, fence gates and stuff

[1:13:13] for that area. So and and

[1:13:14] total when you look at it in

[1:13:16] total, our total operating and

[1:13:17] non-operating. We've got a

[1:13:19] reduction of 2.0, 8, 5, 0%. I

[1:13:22] do want to bring up when I

[1:13:25] took over the cemetery in

[1:13:26] 2021. Myself and Shelley

[1:13:28] Mitchell took over the

[1:13:30] cemetery. We put David Jay

[1:13:32] Cups and there is a cemetery

[1:13:34] running and operating the

[1:13:36] cemetery. At that time. The

[1:13:39] county's contribution to the

[1:13:40] cemetery around $60,000 a

[1:13:44] year. When we look at it after

[1:13:45] these last few capital

[1:13:50] expenses are done the cemetery

[1:13:50] revenues. We'll cover the

[1:13:53] cemetery operational costs. So

[1:13:56] we are almost at a break-even.

[1:13:58] We're real close this year,

[1:14:00] but we will have these flash

[1:14:00] few capital we would have last

[1:14:04] year except for we did. Have a

[1:14:05] vehicle purchase and some

[1:14:06] other stuff that had to happen

[1:14:07] last budget year. But you will

[1:14:12] see. This fund moving forward

[1:14:12] into the next years will cover

[1:14:16] with their revenues. So we're

[1:14:16] pretty excited to see it go

[1:14:20] from that 60,000 Ish and comes

[1:14:21] out of the small county cert

[1:14:24] taxes. Covered this budget for

[1:14:27] multiple years. 60,000 we've

[1:14:28] we've seen reduce over the

[1:14:30] years of 60,000 the first

[1:14:31] year. I think 50,000 next

[1:14:35] year, 30,000 and then and then

[1:14:36] so on and so forth that has

[1:14:38] reduced every single year. And

[1:14:39] I'm confident the next year

[1:14:40] when we bring this budget, he

[1:14:43] all it will be a

[1:14:45] self-sustaining department. So

[1:14:46] I got give kudos to David and

[1:14:47] to Shelley to making this

[1:14:49] department more efficient and

[1:14:50] doing what they've had to do.

[1:14:51] That was my main goal. When I

[1:14:53] took department over what's

[1:14:55] how do we make it

[1:14:57] self-sufficient? And we are

[1:14:59] almost there. So I think

[1:15:00] coming into next year, we will

[1:15:02] see that happen along with the

[1:15:02] fee increase that that's very

[1:15:06] promising. I just wanted to

[1:15:07] definitely let all understand.

[1:15:08] That's been the goal from day

[1:15:14] one with this. Big deal. You

[1:15:15] and the governor over the head

[1:15:16] because your final resting

[1:15:20] place. You don't have to

[1:15:21] >> We ought pay taxes on So

[1:15:22] he's got he would be really

[1:15:22] happy. He has a thought about

[1:15:30] this

[1:15:30] >> Good.

[1:15:31] >> Any other any questions?

[1:15:34] Anything but ok?

[1:15:35] >> Did that did I MISS

[1:15:36] Something about your 67? That

[1:15:39] sorry.

[1:15:41] >> The 67,000 has my total

[1:15:42] capital. So 62,000 of that is

[1:15:44] for the build out of the

[1:15:46] building that we put on site 2

[1:15:51] years ago.

[1:15:52] >> restraint yesterday will be

[1:15:53] it'll be the buildout for the

[1:15:57] on-side office. What noticed.

[1:15:57] >> David

[1:15:58] >> Jacobs has to make those

[1:15:59] trips back and forth to town

[1:16:01] to meet with clients. So they

[1:16:03] they meet at the office at the

[1:16:05] annex building. They take out

[1:16:06] there and then they want to go

[1:16:08] back to the office, reviewed

[1:16:10] the maps or look at sites

[1:16:11] sitting air-conditioning with

[1:16:16] the clients. 2, 3, years ago,

[1:16:17] we did a build-out of the shed

[1:16:20] that was on site so that David

[1:16:21] could just an air-conditioned

[1:16:22] office space. So David can

[1:16:23] meet with the clients out

[1:16:26] there and it made a huge of

[1:16:27] just travel time. His time to

[1:16:30] get spent on site. That was

[1:16:32] the main purpose of pushing

[1:16:34] forward for the new building,

[1:16:34] the new maintenance building

[1:16:35] out there and adding this

[1:16:38] office space there along with

[1:16:39] those restrooms of any of you

[1:16:40] have ever used restrooms out

[1:16:42] there. Your knees hit the door

[1:16:45] when you close the door,

[1:16:46] literally, I'm not. I mean,

[1:16:46] your knees are touching the

[1:16:50] wall to sit on the toilet. So

[1:16:52] we really needed additional

[1:16:53] restroom side out there. And

[1:16:54] that will be funded. Also with

[1:16:59] the ada compliant bathroom.

[1:16:59] And then, of course, I said

[1:17:01] the fence at Fort Drum would

[1:17:04] be the other 5,000 of that. I

[1:17:05] finally found the back on the

[1:17:12] last. One of All right. Cool.

[1:17:13] >> The question, did kind of

[1:17:22] come in impasse? One out 98

[1:17:23] fast, but that's or cemetery.

[1:17:24] We're trying to get some

[1:17:25] property there to that for

[1:17:28] reach an impasse. Well, you

[1:17:32] Yes, sir. The property sold

[1:17:33] but I can tell you we will

[1:17:35] keep working with those

[1:17:37] landowners that are adjacent

[1:17:38] to that to try to figure out

[1:17:42] how we can get the main goal

[1:17:44] out there. If we could break

[1:17:45] it into just a big box because

[1:17:47] we kind of got some jogs and

[1:17:49] that property. It's kind of.

[1:17:54] Built like a Tetris z the goal

[1:17:54] would be the kind of build

[1:17:55] that property out into a

[1:17:58] single box. But we were trying

[1:18:01] to work something out with the

[1:18:02] previous landowner. It did not

[1:18:03] come to fruition before the

[1:18:05] whole entire property sold.

[1:18:07] But I can tell you as soon as

[1:18:08] we have a little extra free

[1:18:10] time and we get things changed

[1:18:12] around, we will go back to

[1:18:14] talking with the 2 adjacent

[1:18:15] landowners to see if we can

[1:18:17] get that piece brought into a

[1:18:18] box. But I will say that.

[1:18:22] David Jay Cups, Shelley and

[1:18:24] myself have added sites to

[1:18:27] their sellable sites again by

[1:18:31] looking at an utilize space

[1:18:33] David did that last year. And

[1:18:33] those sites are now available.

[1:18:34] So we do have available sites

[1:18:38] out there. That space that

[1:18:40] were never built out for

[1:18:41] sites. So it there is some

[1:18:43] additional sites that came

[1:18:45] into play. Some of them are

[1:18:46] only be used for cremation

[1:18:47] because there's kind of how it

[1:18:51] fits within the site plan. But

[1:18:53] those sites are now available

[1:18:54] in a show on on our website

[1:18:58] are on our cemetery software

[1:18:59] program to wear those sites

[1:19:00] are available and what those

[1:19:05] sites are. So means Throw a

[1:19:06] monkey wrench in the blasts

[1:19:06] are hearing that just popped

[1:19:07] in my mind to.

[1:19:10] >> I think your time at the

[1:19:11] Texas it was an access issue

[1:19:14] that. Yeah, that that we have

[1:19:17] no legal right back to get be

[1:19:20] ever looked at the deed to Cs

[1:19:20] for it.

[1:19:21] >> We've we've met with legal

[1:19:22] multiple multiple times, tried

[1:19:23] to figure out how we could

[1:19:29] make that work in the radiator

[1:19:31] previous board had had signed

[1:19:31] the property over legally to

[1:19:39] the adjacent landowner. We do

[1:19:40] have all the records that

[1:19:41] reflect that and we've tried

[1:19:41] to figure out how we could

[1:19:43] make that work. But I think

[1:19:47] with our new. If we can make

[1:19:47] this other deal work out, it

[1:19:49] would help with that traffic

[1:19:50] pattern. We would be able to

[1:19:54] put a circle road in to come

[1:19:54] back out. So there is some

[1:19:56] thought process that was in

[1:19:57] that next land acquisition

[1:19:59] part that we thought we were

[1:20:00] working on before the whole

[1:20:01] property. And that's on the

[1:20:04] one owner. Yes, or any other

[1:20:10] questions. Impressive when the

[1:20:11] people go there, the kiosk

[1:20:14] fund.

[1:20:15] >> Fun to graze and know that

[1:20:16] they knew they say they can

[1:20:17] read in a vehicle in there Cam

[1:20:18] right to it all in and the

[1:20:21] maintenance out there They've

[1:20:21] done a great job. We

[1:20:22] appreciate what you've And

[1:20:25] thank you, Michelle Lee, for

[1:20:26] they didn't charge. It's all

[1:20:27] on them to they've done it.

[1:20:28] I've just been there to

[1:20:28] support him.

[1:20:42] >> So

[1:20:44] >> our next fund is page to 21

[1:20:48] in your work, folks. It's the

[1:20:50] driver Education Safety Trust

[1:20:51] Fund established as a result

[1:20:54] of Florida statute. 3, 18.1,

[1:20:55] 2, 1, 5, the Dorie Slosberg

[1:20:59] Driver Education Safety Act.

[1:21:01] The proposed budget for fiscal

[1:21:06] year 26. 27 is $153,745, which

[1:21:22] is a 2.0 2% increase.

[1:21:22] >> It's still don't have any

[1:21:27] cars right? This is a special

[1:21:28] revenue fund, correct. There

[1:21:30] is no cost to the county.

[1:21:31] Those were there and have a

[1:21:32] new automobile says that the

[1:21:33] one that we have its driver,

[1:21:34] safety education and the name

[1:21:35] of the automobiles. According

[1:21:39] to this, you can't.

[1:21:39] >> Receive the funds

[1:21:40] initiative 30% of the students

[1:21:41] time being spent and the

[1:21:44] weave. Guess it's a no go

[1:21:48] then. School doesn't have

[1:21:52] cars. And if you read your

[1:21:53] requirements here, you that

[1:21:57] had 30%. Behind the wheel. I

[1:22:01] don't know what the electronic

[1:22:05] things you're sitting in.

[1:22:08] >> And Melissa Layer I don't

[1:22:09] know if it know that's

[1:22:11] something I even as as behind

[1:22:12] the wheel. More the center

[1:22:13] later, is that remember, that

[1:22:13] was explained couple. Maybe

[1:22:18] they have I just always stuff.

[1:22:20] That was a big. The big toast

[1:22:24] of We didn't have any course

[1:22:29] for drivers, education. We

[1:22:30] might leave that one You we

[1:22:35] don't know your stories. Know.

[1:22:38] Okay. MISS Lisa. Our next fun

[1:22:45] is court innovation.

[1:22:46] >> So these are court costs

[1:22:47] imposed by county ordinance

[1:22:51] 2004, Dash 0, 5, to establish

[1:22:52] and maintain innovation and

[1:22:54] supplemental court funding

[1:22:56] trust fund the remaining

[1:22:57] balances of the law Library,

[1:22:59] legal aid and teen court funds

[1:23:01] are transferred to court

[1:23:03] innovations. A portion of the

[1:23:04] court administration budget is

[1:23:07] budgeted in this fun for

[1:23:08] equipment. So the operating

[1:23:09] cost in this fun or 80,000 for

[1:23:13] fiscal year, 26, 27 capital

[1:23:17] outlay is $18,630, not

[1:23:21] operating as $208,365 for a

[1:23:25] total budget of $306,995. This

[1:23:32] is a 0.6 1% increase.

[1:23:33] >> what are the What type of

[1:23:33] equipment are we talking

[1:23:35] about? Heard the indicate.

[1:23:39] >> They did not know.

[1:23:40] >> This is interesting.

[1:23:42] Equipment out Lee is the same.

[1:23:45] For the last 4 years.

[1:23:48] >> It's the same budget

[1:23:49] request year-over-year.

[1:23:50] Commissioner, like for me to

[1:23:51] have specific information.

[1:23:54] Back to you on that chair.

[1:23:55] Commissioners, I know that

[1:23:57] this fund.

[1:23:58] >> Sometimes is majority. This

[1:24:02] is for security equipment, its

[1:24:06] replacement of the key pads

[1:24:07] cameras, some of that. That's

[1:24:08] that's the majority of what

[1:24:09] I've seen this fund used forth

[1:24:10] because they do come through

[1:24:12] facilities for approval

[1:24:14] whenever they do that. And I

[1:24:15] know that that's part of what

[1:24:16] this is used for, ok? I'm

[1:24:17] trying to understand who

[1:24:20] housing get approved. What is

[1:24:22] what is it used for?

[1:24:23] >> Because it's just odd that

[1:24:24] it has the same amount every

[1:24:27] single year.

[1:24:28] >> I will state that my

[1:24:29] predecessor put in play that

[1:24:30] they have to have that

[1:24:31] approved through facilities

[1:24:34] before they can make those

[1:24:35] purchases. And jj and staff

[1:24:38] have done a really good job of

[1:24:39] making sure that when those

[1:24:40] things come up come about that

[1:24:44] they do it so and and there's

[1:24:45] some years that it doesn't get

[1:24:48] used to just it's just they

[1:24:48] budget and they don't use it.

[1:24:50] So it's it's based off of the

[1:24:52] need. They're doing repairs on

[1:24:55] buildings. It's only security

[1:24:56] stuff. They are responsible

[1:24:57] for part of the security and

[1:25:02] this covers that security. But

[1:25:03] we it's it's all it related

[1:25:06] security stuff. Cameras that

[1:25:07] keep at all that they did. It

[1:25:08] handles that for pretty much

[1:25:09] that contract for county wide

[1:25:11] on anything. It's under their

[1:25:20] contract. Anything else. Game

[1:25:26] is Lisa.

[1:25:28] >> Next we have the legal a

[1:25:29] trust fund that this accounts

[1:25:31] for the $5 filing fee for

[1:25:32] civil actions filed in the

[1:25:33] county court, a $10 filing fee

[1:25:37] for civil actions filed in the

[1:25:38] circuit court and a $5 fee for

[1:25:42] all probate cases. This fund

[1:25:43] provides legal aid services to

[1:25:45] residents of the county and

[1:25:46] assist in providing legal

[1:25:49] services to indigent residents

[1:25:50] of other county when the venue

[1:25:51] is located in Okeechobee

[1:25:53] County per ordinance. 2004

[1:25:57] Dash, 0, 5, The total proposed

[1:26:00] budget for fiscal year 26, 27

[1:26:05] for operating is $12,535 for

[1:26:08] Non-operating is $1454 for a

[1:26:12] total budget of $13,989. This

[1:26:14] is a flat budget over the

[1:26:16] prior fiscal year. And we do

[1:26:16] have a representative here

[1:26:21] from the legal a trust fund.

[1:26:25] >> Commissioner than Farden.

[1:26:25] In Florida waiting patiently

[1:26:26] it Florida ruled legal

[1:26:30] services or is here to pretty

[1:26:33] much answer any questions. We

[1:26:34] were requesting remain the

[1:26:37] same. We were looking to

[1:26:41] utilize the funds they managed

[1:26:45] to increase our attention

[1:26:46] across the matter. Over the

[1:26:49] past, we have seen an increase

[1:26:51] and the amount traffic from

[1:26:55] Okeechobee residents. We had

[1:26:56] 187 calls last year. We that

[1:26:58] number that the 2.20 6 this

[1:27:01] year, as you mentioned

[1:27:02] earlier, CHAIRMAN, that there

[1:27:05] had been a increase and

[1:27:06] foreclosure is that of an Our

[1:27:12] clients are. Methinks

[1:27:14] survivors. We are very

[1:27:16] passionate about we are

[1:27:16] increases due financial

[1:27:19] constraints. We that our funds

[1:27:24] remains there. Gary new didn't

[1:27:28] ask me to say hello to.

[1:27:35] >> You can do all that on.

[1:27:36] $14,000. We actually use our

[1:27:36] county money, federal funding

[1:27:40] where lse funded as well?

[1:27:46] >> So this is we try to use

[1:27:49] >> federal or state funding

[1:27:50] before even reach into the But

[1:27:52] but that is there for.

[1:27:53] >> Specifically for our county

[1:27:56] residents.

[1:28:01] >> That makes a lot more sense

[1:28:07] than Tony can would like it. I

[1:28:13] argue Other questions Thank

[1:28:15] you very much. Thank you for

[1:28:16] coming to Who get it where you

[1:28:21] come from. I came from poor

[1:28:22] things. Okay. I actually feel

[1:28:25] good town or ok? Thank you

[1:28:26] very much. Have a safe trip

[1:28:34] going home.

[1:28:35] >> Next one is teen court,

[1:28:36] which is page to 33 and your

[1:28:44] budget workbook. Senate bill.

[1:28:46] Not 2, 9, 6, 2 of the 2004

[1:28:47] legislative session allowed

[1:28:48] for the circuit court in

[1:28:49] counties to use accumulated

[1:28:51] teen court money until its

[1:28:53] depleted Okeechobee County

[1:28:55] collects fees for teen court

[1:28:56] and juvenile programs.

[1:28:57] Pursuant to Florida Statute,

[1:29:01] 9, 3, 9, 0.1, 8, 5, the clerk

[1:29:03] of court less the 5% income to

[1:29:04] the clerk per county

[1:29:08] ordinance. 9, 6, Dash 0, 5,

[1:29:09] This program is under the

[1:29:10] supervision of the Florida

[1:29:11] Department of Juvenile

[1:29:12] Justice. Partnering with other

[1:29:16] agencies in the community. The

[1:29:17] total Budget Ques request for

[1:29:21] this fiscal year is $13,988,

[1:29:21] which is a flat budget over

[1:29:26] the prior year. Self

[1:29:32] explanatory. They will said,

[1:29:33] ok, what's next? MISS Lisa?

[1:29:34] Our next fund is our special

[1:29:38] grants. Fun. Which is page to

[1:29:42] 37 in your budget Workbook. So

[1:29:44] this fun, the majority of

[1:29:45] funding prior to the current

[1:29:47] fiscal year was from Cares.

[1:29:49] Act. The American Rescue Plan

[1:29:52] Act and House Bill 3, the

[1:29:53] majority of this funding now

[1:29:55] comes from House Bill 3 for

[1:29:57] law enforcement. As you can

[1:29:58] see, our current non operating

[1:30:04] costs for this budget. Our

[1:30:05] 2 million, 303,440 dollars for

[1:30:06] a total budget of the same,

[1:30:07] which is a flat budget over

[1:30:13] the prior year.

[1:30:14] >> Which was a cash balance

[1:30:16] forward or to come from.

[1:30:17] >> So the cash balance. Ford

[1:30:20] is a projection for the ending

[1:30:22] fund balance that's usually

[1:30:23] provided in our financial

[1:30:23] budget and are sorry in our

[1:30:27] annual financial report. We

[1:30:29] are projecting based on our

[1:30:30] prior year as our current

[1:30:31] audit is still in progress,

[1:30:34] ok?

[1:30:35] >> That's what I thought it

[1:30:35] was from the audit. So you

[1:30:36] haven't read is up. Yes, sir.

[1:30:46] Okay. Ok, Lisa?

[1:30:48] >> Our next fund is with

[1:30:49] MISTER Nelson. It is the solid

[1:30:55] waste management. Fun one. 33.

[1:31:02] Well, good morning again,

[1:31:03] >> as

[1:31:04] >> you're seeing here is a

[1:31:07] solid waste, which is fun one.

[1:31:08] 33 personnel services has a

[1:31:15] reduction of $2149, which is a

[1:31:17] 1.5 9% decrease operating

[1:31:18] expenses has a reduction of

[1:31:21] $1415, which is a point 9, 0%,

[1:31:27] decrease. Capital outlay, as

[1:31:28] you see, would be 100%

[1:31:29] decrease based off for years

[1:31:32] we have no capital, no capital

[1:31:33] purchases for this year. And

[1:31:37] this fund.

[1:31:40] >> Other than that, our total

[1:31:41] total expanding budget

[1:31:43] increase due to non

[1:31:44] operational.

[1:31:47] >> Of $17,499, which is a

[1:31:53] change of 1.0, 3, 0%. And then

[1:31:53] progress. As you can see,

[1:31:55] we've the capital items we

[1:31:56] have uncovered this year that

[1:32:00] are moving forward is the the

[1:32:00] new the maintenance building

[1:32:03] or storage building. We did

[1:32:04] purchase truck out of this

[1:32:06] account this year. That helps

[1:32:10] us with that kind downfall.

[1:32:12] Are that that backup from the

[1:32:14] solid waste, of course, with

[1:32:16] the the issues we have with

[1:32:17] the dumpsters and everything

[1:32:20] else to be able to get out and

[1:32:21] inspect those. And then the

[1:32:23] also we have the what we call

[1:32:27] the solid waste office and

[1:32:28] storage building that

[1:32:29] acclimate, a storage building

[1:32:30] renovation is also and

[1:32:32] progress.

[1:32:36] >> who's the 0? One person?

[1:32:39] It's my salary that you're so

[1:32:41] yes, sir. Yeah. So maybe had

[1:32:42] some Byron around here was

[1:32:43] very small. No, No, sir. A

[1:32:45] portion of my salary comes out

[1:32:46] of almost every department

[1:32:53] underneath self. He's in this

[1:32:57] working that

[1:32:58] >> Well, going to be working

[1:32:58] Just struck me as funny.

[1:32:59] Funny. It's appoint one

[1:33:01] person. So I'm like.

[1:33:02] >> I felt told us because of

[1:33:07] the claiming this of the

[1:33:08] landfill we didn't have to

[1:33:08] testing near me more. Is i

[1:33:13] wrong or not? Russell? Have to

[1:33:14] I didn't hear you chair. I

[1:33:17] felt that we didn't have to to

[1:33:17] Landfield anymore. I thought

[1:33:18] we had that. Clean bill of

[1:33:23] health. There. I just was some

[1:33:25] of the old landfill tips that

[1:33:26] we still have do testing at

[1:33:27] that. You told us we got

[1:33:28] 10,000 here for that. Well,

[1:33:33] if. The county just last if

[1:33:35] the county ever decides to

[1:33:38] >> go in there and

[1:33:39] >> you know, do a site plan or

[1:33:42] do things too. To stir the cap

[1:33:46] landfill? We would be required

[1:33:47] to do testing, ok? So he's got

[1:33:49] Nikkei. Should we do that? As

[1:33:50] long as we don't touch it, we

[1:33:53] It. And maintain the

[1:33:56] appearance of it. But won't

[1:33:57] you stick a shovel in the

[1:33:59] dirt? Then? The people come

[1:34:03] back choir to the test.

[1:34:04] >> So you just have it.

[1:34:04] There's an insurance policy.

[1:34:05] And that what we're doing?

[1:34:09] Yes, Thank you, sir. I got a

[1:34:10] question Russell Stiller. He

[1:34:13] MAY know. A few years ago we

[1:34:14] were still waiting on getting

[1:34:15] paid from fema for some

[1:34:18] hurricane cleanup. We ever.

[1:34:27] Did we ever get paid for that?

[1:34:28] Want to say maybe DECEMBER

[1:34:31] last funded final close eye on

[1:34:32] As far as know, we got all our

[1:34:35] funding for Irma. Completed

[1:34:39] the sign off on And just to to

[1:34:44] close out on it. Monday. So we

[1:34:49] should have almost 9 a 5 to 90

[1:34:53] 6% of all our money for

[1:34:53] >> This was something it's

[1:34:54] like, oh, maybe it was 10 or

[1:34:56] 15 years ago or something. And

[1:34:57] we still hadn't been renew

[1:35:00] rated for expenses from fema.

[1:35:01] We talked about it several

[1:35:04] times. So evidently one of

[1:35:07] those hurricanes we've there

[1:35:08] so can you not there's

[1:35:11] Francis. That's all I know.

[1:35:11] >> According to all the

[1:35:15] information and I see of fame,

[1:35:17] we have been been reimbursed

[1:35:17] for everything sense. You

[1:35:21] know, 2004. Those are they're

[1:35:25] still working on Milton

[1:35:29] >> but that that is that's

[1:35:29] almost complete as well as

[1:35:32] just waiting on them, too.

[1:35:32] Reimburse or other 50% of

[1:35:35] cost. So it sounds like

[1:35:37] answers. Pretty close to us

[1:35:41] that.

[1:35:42] >> Just good. For a few years

[1:35:43] ago, we were like what pretty

[1:35:44] big chunk of our member

[1:35:49] correctly that from fema.

[1:35:51] >> The only thing I can think

[1:35:55] of is with Hurricane Irma.

[1:35:56] When the structure up on 300th

[1:35:57] and Fort Drum Bucs forward.

[1:36:01] That was up there. It billowed

[1:36:06] out and we put in to have it,

[1:36:07] you know, get reimbursement

[1:36:10] only on the repairs. And it

[1:36:11] was like little over 1 million

[1:36:18] dollars. Based One theme of

[1:36:20] for the national informations.

[1:36:22] For that repair. They wanted

[1:36:26] to see 15 years of bridge

[1:36:27] reports and how the county

[1:36:32] maintained. Well, based on the

[1:36:33] 5 year, the every 5 years a

[1:36:34] bridge report was done. And

[1:36:38] there was some. Issues that

[1:36:39] appeared in the bridge

[1:36:41] reports. That fema used

[1:36:46] against us. Justify them not

[1:36:47] having to pay us for the

[1:36:49] repairs. Of the hurricane.

[1:36:53] Damage due I made several

[1:36:56] appeals. And they continue to

[1:36:59] deny it and staff Mathis, we

[1:37:01] worked on it. He helped me

[1:37:05] with. Language to try to

[1:37:11] justify the reimbursement and

[1:37:12] help us. I total project we

[1:37:16] got to. Well, $60,000 and

[1:37:19] emergency repairs. All right.

[1:37:25] Thank you, sir. Yes, should

[1:37:28] have went there.

[1:37:29] >> It meant that moment that

[1:37:32] day that she too, to sell. She

[1:37:39] told us water flows Yeah. And

[1:37:52] a last chance. Yeah, let's

[1:37:57] We've got 2 more. And will get

[1:38:01] over to the other part?

[1:38:02] >> Just and I are doing a

[1:38:03] little back and forth this

[1:38:05] morning for you. We can tell

[1:38:06] we're at the Crime for

[1:38:07] Prevention Fund, which is to

[1:38:11] 47 in your work book pursuant

[1:38:13] to Section 7, 7, 5, 0, 8, 3

[1:38:16] Florida statute port cost for

[1:38:18] this fun are assessed and

[1:38:19] collected in each instance of

[1:38:22] a defendant. But please, no lo

[1:38:24] contender or is convicted of

[1:38:25] or delinquent of a felony or

[1:38:25] misdemeanor for a traffic

[1:38:29] offense. The county in

[1:38:30] consultation with the sheriff

[1:38:31] expense these funds for crime

[1:38:33] prevention programs in the

[1:38:34] county, including Safe

[1:38:35] neighborhood programs.

[1:38:36] Pursuant to Florida Statute.

[1:38:41] 1, 6, 3.5, 0, 1, So this fund

[1:38:45] has a non operating cost of

[1:38:46] $247,632. And the total budget

[1:38:50] is the same for a 3.0. 4, 1%,

[1:38:51] increase over the prior fiscal

[1:38:54] year.

[1:38:58] >> Lisa, if defenses, $250,000

[1:39:01] is crime prevention. What

[1:39:04] would it cost levy a crime?

[1:39:05] >> I'm sure a significant

[1:39:06] deal. Blunt. We might want

[1:39:10] look at that. But okay with

[1:39:11] this thank you, ma'am. You're

[1:39:14] welcome. Next, we have Justin

[1:39:21] with Fleet Services. Yeah. See

[1:39:30] it now. I haven't from you our

[1:39:30] fleet services which would be

[1:39:33] one, 35 dash, 8, 4,

[1:39:35] >> So in front of you, as you

[1:39:37] say, the personnel that is up,

[1:39:38] there is not correct. It

[1:39:42] somehow we pulled a person out

[1:39:43] of that. But the personnel

[1:39:46] isn't an increase of 5.0, 6,

[1:39:49] 3%, based off of the true

[1:39:54] numbers operating expenses is

[1:39:55] 89,008, 30, which is a

[1:39:59] reduction of 5,700 and $39,

[1:40:02] which is a reduction of 6.1

[1:40:04] 6.0 1% capital outlay. We do

[1:40:07] have some increases this year.

[1:40:08] As you all know, the

[1:40:09] electrical upgrades has been

[1:40:12] rolling forward. Multiple,

[1:40:13] multiple years.

[1:40:14] >> We really are trying to

[1:40:14] focus on getting that project

[1:40:18] completed this year with the

[1:40:18] full design. We're hoping we

[1:40:19] can get it done within the

[1:40:21] dollar amounts. We have

[1:40:25] allocated to that. So you do

[1:40:26] see an increase there based

[1:40:28] off of that 32,000 that you

[1:40:28] show in the previous year was

[1:40:31] for that project and just a

[1:40:34] roll forward to this year. So

[1:40:35] it's just reallocating that so

[1:40:35] that did not get expense last

[1:40:41] year. Under Non-operating.

[1:40:43] We've got to balance showing

[1:40:46] their of 665,007 88, which is

[1:40:52] an increase of $4. Pretty 0%

[1:40:54] increase. So in total net

[1:40:58] decrease of 1.0, 5, 5%.

[1:40:58] >> You had a pretty good bump

[1:41:05] on your insurance this year.

[1:41:08] Any reason want shop

[1:41:08] liability? I can guarantee you

[1:41:10] that's probably wasn't.

[1:41:14] There's sure to sign it. Shop

[1:41:16] liability seems to racing at a

[1:41:17] higher rate than most anything

[1:41:20] else. 1.76%. 6,000 booked

[1:41:25] almost. And I'm sure MISS Lisa

[1:41:27] can probably have a little

[1:41:27] better explanation. But I can

[1:41:30] tell you, based off of

[1:41:31] experience, shop liability has

[1:41:34] increased significantly more.

[1:41:35] Because if you're looking back

[1:41:37] to 2023, is only $9700. You're

[1:41:38] up to 20,000.

[1:41:42] >> Now.

[1:41:43] >> Just in this. Get them to

[1:41:45] check on that. Recycling

[1:41:51] Knoll. I thought Jimmy told me

[1:41:52] that he doesn't have to pay

[1:41:54] for them to come. Pick up is I

[1:41:56] can I can find out. But we do

[1:41:58] pay throughout.

[1:42:01] >> The $4,000. I would just

[1:42:02] make sure that you're you

[1:42:03] know, that there's the

[1:42:04] complete awareness that some

[1:42:06] people do have a free pickup

[1:42:10] service.

[1:42:10] >> But their services, not

[1:42:13] adp. Epa approved pickup

[1:42:14] service. And we require that

[1:42:15] for our tracking so that we

[1:42:16] don't have to do is

[1:42:17] environmental to study later

[1:42:18] on because that will trigger

[1:42:22] one. I will say that could be

[1:42:23] some of what we're seeing.

[1:42:24] Very well. Could be good

[1:42:30] answer. Any questions,

[1:42:34] comments. But okay, yes. Thank

[1:42:34] you, Justin. Thank you. You

[1:42:35] keep the wheels. Roland, we

[1:42:36] appreciate what do there. They

[1:42:44] it's good to

[1:42:45] know. There's one think

[1:42:45] there's probably a couple

[1:42:46] meeting. Max orders usually

[1:42:52] law. As Jessica. We have to

[1:42:53] sit up straighter now pay

[1:42:54] attention

[1:42:56] >> good morning. Good morning.

[1:42:59] I'm going to see this.

[1:43:00] >> All the way through since I

[1:43:02] impact fees started.

[1:43:06] >> With me and next here

[1:43:07] during the proposed budget

[1:43:07] will have the department or

[1:43:11] MISS Lisa present on it. And

[1:43:12] so the next 8 funds are going

[1:43:15] to review the impact fee

[1:43:18] categories due to the Florida

[1:43:22] chart of accounts, there was a

[1:43:23] reporting update in fiscal

[1:43:27] year 2019, 2020, which added

[1:43:28] additional requirements to the

[1:43:31] dl code and fund reporting

[1:43:34] guidelines. So you'll see

[1:43:39] throughout that. There's quite

[1:43:41] a few gl accounts with impact

[1:43:42] fees. There's over 60 Gla

[1:43:45] counts.

[1:43:45] >> Each.

[1:43:46] >> Fun is going to be specific

[1:43:49] to that category. So, for

[1:43:50] instance, for corrections, we

[1:44:00] have. We see. So I'll kind of

[1:44:03] give you an idea on what it

[1:44:04] entails. The first 6 numbers

[1:44:08] are the impact fee itself. So

[1:44:09] that identifies the category

[1:44:14] and the fund within you have

[1:44:16] the funding. You have the

[1:44:16] impact. Fees are their own

[1:44:20] department, which is 54. Then

[1:44:21] you have the uniform chart of

[1:44:22] accounts gl series in those

[1:44:25] first 6 digits. Identify the

[1:44:26] impact fees. So that's whether

[1:44:30] its residential commercial and

[1:44:31] then the type if it falls

[1:44:32] within public safety, physical

[1:44:33] environment, transportation,

[1:44:36] so on and so forth, the

[1:44:37] remaining 4 digits. So the

[1:44:41] next 2 digits identify what's

[1:44:42] called the dwelling code. So

[1:44:43] it's the specific purpose. So

[1:44:46] is it office building, a

[1:44:47] residential building

[1:44:48] educational building? This is

[1:44:51] all again, part of the uniform

[1:44:52] chart of accounts. And then

[1:44:54] the last 2 digits identify the

[1:44:56] How it's being multiplied. Is

[1:45:00] it based on? Is it based on

[1:45:02] square footage? Is it based on

[1:45:03] room? So that's that gives you

[1:45:05] a overview on how this do you

[1:45:09] have so. Next year we will

[1:45:12] have more of a detail on what

[1:45:15] has in terms of the impact

[1:45:16] fees themselves. But for this

[1:45:17] budget year, we're only

[1:45:19] budgeting each individual. 9

[1:45:23] item by one impact fee. So,

[1:45:24] for instance, for corrections,

[1:45:26] you'll see that yells listed

[1:45:28] there. That's one impact fee

[1:45:31] amount for each of those gl

[1:45:33] We're budgeting for fiscal

[1:45:35] year. 26, 27, 16,802. And

[1:45:36] since this is a new account,

[1:45:39] there's no percentage increase

[1:45:41] or decrease. We are working to

[1:45:42] hopefully have an update on

[1:45:43] Friday on where we're at

[1:45:44] currently with the collection

[1:45:47] of impact fees regarding the

[1:45:49] county and the city because we

[1:45:50] have been collect collecting

[1:45:53] impact fee since MAY 14th. So

[1:45:57] any questions on? Corrections?

[1:45:59] The bill stands for General

[1:46:01] Ledger. Yes, okay. Thank I'm

[1:46:04] going to be the same. Aren't

[1:46:04] they?

[1:46:06] >> Yes, sir. So the next 8

[1:46:08] again, just each individual

[1:46:09] line item is just one impact

[1:46:11] fee within that specific

[1:46:15] category.

[1:46:18] >> How we come in with the are

[1:46:19] they collecting? Yeah. So

[1:46:20] we've worked together

[1:46:21] collaboratively to implement a

[1:46:24] process. We've created a

[1:46:26] >> form and calculator for

[1:46:27] them too, for their reporting

[1:46:30] structure as well. And they've

[1:46:32] been actively communicating

[1:46:33] with community development on

[1:46:34] updates and impact fees that

[1:46:38] they're collecting.

[1:46:38] >> Has that word that people

[1:46:40] write the check to the city

[1:46:41] and then the city accumulates

[1:46:41] in sense. That does yes, sir.

[1:46:46] So we'll have some but would

[1:46:48] have somebody what you to with

[1:46:49] So right now the city collects

[1:46:50] the full impact fee and the

[1:46:53] full 3% administration fee.

[1:46:53] >> And then they retain the

[1:46:57] 1.5%. Due to them. And the

[1:47:01] rest comes to the county that

[1:47:02] the 3% does not. In addition

[1:47:03] to the impact fees is is

[1:47:05] portion of its additional

[1:47:08] fortune, says additional. It's

[1:47:13] 103%. Yes.

[1:47:14] >> And the only change that

[1:47:14] you'll see within these

[1:47:17] accounts, as we do have to add

[1:47:18] the gl for the administrative

[1:47:20] fees. So will be budgeting

[1:47:23] that through these next couple

[1:47:23] funds as we move forward

[1:47:24] through the budgeting process

[1:47:27] of the final budget work. But

[1:47:30] >> any questions, comments. So

[1:47:31] that a curse on the way

[1:47:41] through. All of to 47.

[1:47:44] >> So debt service 203 is

[1:47:44] where we will be next. Unless

[1:47:46] you have any questions on the

[1:47:47] other ones. Yours was

[1:47:52] shortest.

[1:47:53] >> Around issues go carries

[1:47:53] all the way through get there

[1:47:55] and cheat.

[1:47:56] >> I think the just endure end

[1:47:58] of longest. I feel like as

[1:48:02] true today. Yes.

[1:48:02] >> They make make you MR. Not

[1:48:04] be the overall longest.

[1:48:09] >> Okay. MISS Lisa.

[1:48:10] >> Our next fund that we will

[1:48:12] be discussing is our debt

[1:48:13] service fund which should be

[1:48:13] page to 91 in your budget

[1:48:24] workbook. So the current year

[1:48:25] proposed budget for our debt

[1:48:28] services. I wait for you all

[1:48:29] to get there. Now you find

[1:48:32] that said their fight.

[1:48:38] >> Is 1 million, $511,552 are

[1:48:40] non operating costs are

[1:48:40] $234,199.

[1:48:44] >> For a total budget of

[1:48:47] 1 million, $745,751. It's

[1:48:51] important to note here the

[1:48:54] decrease of 33% over the prior

[1:48:55] fiscal year is due to the fact

[1:48:58] that we pay this fund down

[1:48:59] with a million dollars from

[1:49:00] the landfill truss. And this

[1:49:03] was a recommendation from our

[1:49:04] outgoing county administrator

[1:49:06] to save the county quite a bit

[1:49:08] of money and interest over the

[1:49:11] term of this pollen payment.

[1:49:12] >> Going away. Present from

[1:49:16] Debby is at And so that it be

[1:49:17] MAY be a good one of our bonds

[1:49:20] is that we're down to one now.

[1:49:21] >> So we still have the 2

[1:49:22] bonds, but it eliminated quite

[1:49:24] a bit of interest that we will

[1:49:27] be paying on the beeb they are

[1:49:27] Yes, We paid it down. We

[1:49:31] didn't pay it off. Do it.

[1:49:32] >> Do we still have about And

[1:49:35] you pay it if we.

[1:49:37] >> We only could utilize the

[1:49:40] bond pre payment schedule if

[1:49:41] we received an act that was in

[1:49:41] alignment with what our

[1:49:45] defeats schedule is and those

[1:49:46] would have defeat since.

[1:49:48] That's what it's called to the

[1:49:52] fees on the deceased. Know So

[1:49:55] season's would require us to

[1:49:57] receive grant funding or a

[1:49:58] legislative appropriation for

[1:50:00] that specific projects. That's

[1:50:02] the project is completed. I do

[1:50:03] anticipate we'll be able to

[1:50:06] pay down the bonds any longer.

[1:50:07] >> After what we've said about

[1:50:08] the governor that's going to

[1:50:15] happen was like, oh, Florida.

[1:50:20] We could just.

[1:50:21] >> Any questions about that

[1:50:26] service. Our next fund is

[1:50:27] capital improvement projects.

[1:50:28] And I'll turn this over to MR.

[1:50:39] Nelson.

[1:50:43] >> Back in front of you again.

[1:50:44] In our capital improvements,

[1:50:47] as you can see, there's under

[1:50:49] under capital outlay. You see

[1:50:52] a $60,000 that it that is are

[1:50:53] surveying services that are

[1:50:58] provided through Cip that we

[1:50:58] budget for every year.

[1:50:59] Normally we expense every

[1:51:02] dollar that. So the majority

[1:51:05] of those are for survey items

[1:51:08] that are needed for pre grant

[1:51:10] applications pretty

[1:51:10] improvement projects. Before

[1:51:11] we get into the design phase

[1:51:14] or we get into something where

[1:51:17] we need to execute a full

[1:51:18] design. There is a lot of

[1:51:19] survey work that normally

[1:51:23] comes ahead of those items. So

[1:51:24] that's not a majority of what

[1:51:24] that funding and you is used

[1:51:29] for. So moving forward from

[1:51:32] there, if you see under

[1:51:33] capital projects projected

[1:51:38] this year, we've got $1018.68,

[1:51:39] which is a reduction from the

[1:51:46] previous year of 8. 81.9 5%.

[1:51:47] So non-operating. There's an

[1:51:51] increase of 4,280 and that is

[1:51:54] an increase of 67 point to 3%.

[1:51:55] So the total budget coming

[1:52:01] into this year's 11 million,

[1:52:02] 11 million, 275,881 dollars,

[1:52:03] which is a net decrease of

[1:52:12] 2.8, 2%.

[1:52:13] >> One of the things just and

[1:52:13] you MAY want to emphasize is

[1:52:16] that when people look at the

[1:52:18] some of this money that you're

[1:52:20] spending on capital

[1:52:20] improvements. Most some of

[1:52:23] that are all of this under.

[1:52:25] Been received via grants,

[1:52:26] correct.

[1:52:27] >> a significant amount of

[1:52:30] money is in their areas as

[1:52:32] grants. And also when, you

[1:52:32] know, I think from the

[1:52:35] public's perspective. It

[1:52:39] appears when you look a total

[1:52:39] budget dollar amount of

[1:52:42] 11 million dollars, the public

[1:52:43] looks at that is we are

[1:52:43] expensing 11 million dollars.

[1:52:50] That is not. We have 1 million

[1:52:52] $78,000 in total expenditures

[1:52:53] that are allocated a budget

[1:52:55] for this year. It's the cash

[1:52:57] balance forward and

[1:52:59] non-operating. The kind of

[1:53:00] gives the appearance that

[1:53:02] there's large amount of money

[1:53:03] being expensive capital.

[1:53:06] That's not really being

[1:53:06] expenses. Covered. Other

[1:53:10] words, yes, right. So just,

[1:53:10] you know, sometimes they're

[1:53:12] looking at things. They like

[1:53:13] what you spent, you know,

[1:53:15] 6 million last year, whatever

[1:53:16] it says, it appears 12 million

[1:53:17] last year. They look at that.

[1:53:19] So, you know, I think

[1:53:19] sometimes it's just a little

[1:53:21] bit of clarification of what

[1:53:22] the actual dollar amount, this

[1:53:30] budget number this year. Some

[1:53:32] of those items, like I said is

[1:53:34] we've we've got that are

[1:53:37] moving into the next year.

[1:53:38] Would be, you know, the clip

[1:53:40] that spark will have that

[1:53:42] money. Encumbered this year is

[1:53:44] our hope. We're working on

[1:53:45] trying to get that finished up

[1:53:48] contract back and forth. But

[1:53:49] moving into next year, you'll

[1:53:51] see that the Douglas Brown

[1:53:51] restroom renovations as one of

[1:53:53] the items we have budgeted for

[1:53:55] next year. And then we'll be

[1:53:56] working for day out towards

[1:53:59] the fire station. 4

[1:54:00] professional services and

[1:54:03] improvements. So those those

[1:54:04] items will star see moving

[1:54:05] coming into the next budget

[1:54:10] year.

[1:54:11] >> Just touching on the

[1:54:12] projected cash balance

[1:54:15] forward. That is one of the

[1:54:17] items that going to true up

[1:54:19] the value once the audit is

[1:54:21] complete. And so there could

[1:54:23] be a change are likely to be a

[1:54:23] change due to the amount of

[1:54:24] projects that were completed

[1:54:27] this fiscal year or that

[1:54:31] fiscal year of 24. 25 so just

[1:54:31] we will provide updates once

[1:54:32] the audit is complete, but

[1:54:34] just wanted to to let you know

[1:54:35] that that's still not a true

[1:54:39] true value. There.

[1:54:40] >> What is the interest,

[1:54:40] including profit work? Where

[1:54:44] is it coming from? Which under

[1:54:59] miscellaneous second lawn.

[1:55:04] >> We will.

[1:55:05] >> Provide an update on Friday

[1:55:11] on with that. Includes.

[1:55:11] >> Justin does have anything

[1:55:15] do with these services all in

[1:55:16] Rolla and did not need to hear

[1:55:24] from stepping back. Yeah, MR.

[1:55:26] Ridley, tell us all the good

[1:55:27] things you're doing more just

[1:55:28] the county's projects from

[1:55:28] concept to close out into an

[1:55:34] operation. When I came on is

[1:55:34] The construction manager. I

[1:55:36] thought that was the extent of

[1:55:38] it. As I got more involved, I

[1:55:40] see that I get to work with

[1:55:40] all the departments in the

[1:55:45] county. And on this

[1:55:45] exceptional our team supreme.

[1:55:47] When I say that I'm just

[1:55:49] talking about my direct staff,

[1:55:51] it kept improvements know

[1:55:52] Susan Thomas Asiatic as Ida

[1:55:54] status melt. They all the

[1:55:55] great. I'll talk about the

[1:55:58] county as a whole. When I work

[1:55:59] on projects, different

[1:56:00] apartments, fire Department

[1:56:07] road and bridge. Facilities.

[1:56:08] Any development everybody

[1:56:10] steps in and does their part.

[1:56:11] You know, it's like a family

[1:56:14] and I enjoy that. We get these

[1:56:15] projects on the way in we plan

[1:56:19] to. Market started the like

[1:56:24] these and for the public.

[1:56:32] >> budget director, keep you

[1:56:34] in line smile. But nobody is

[1:56:36] saying nobody is safe at that

[1:56:38] podium. You know I know. I'm

[1:56:45] telling dozens Masi like you

[1:56:47] just Miles and obvious that

[1:56:47] perfect do you get she gets to

[1:56:48] brag about a graduate that you

[1:56:51] MAY have in family. So. Yes,

[1:56:54] my daughter, guys way. She's

[1:57:02] Phd. Very

[1:57:05] >> I MAY, I just want to thank

[1:57:08] for for his partnership and

[1:57:09] collaboration with the grants

[1:57:10] Department out with some of

[1:57:13] the changes that we have made

[1:57:15] in grants. I can really see

[1:57:16] the initiative that he's been

[1:57:17] taking, especially wanting to

[1:57:18] learn the software that we

[1:57:20] haven't and understand the

[1:57:22] assurances as well as the the

[1:57:23] weight that a grant carries to

[1:57:24] ensure that all the

[1:57:26] deliverables arm and tasks our

[1:57:27] Matt as well. He's been

[1:57:31] working great with our grant

[1:57:32] specialist in terms of of

[1:57:33] getting that the information

[1:57:34] she needs to do the reporting.

[1:57:37] So just want to thank him for

[1:57:38] stepping up in that manner

[1:57:40] because it is a lot,

[1:57:42] especially with 304, fund. And

[1:57:43] then now taking on the airport

[1:57:44] as as a main point of

[1:57:47] communications. So thank you.

[1:57:48] >> She ate what you do for

[1:57:53] Thank you. Anymore. Questions

[1:58:03] comments about Okay. Onto the

[1:58:04] 304, which is a road

[1:58:09] improvement capital projects.

[1:58:12] >> As you can see, moving

[1:58:15] into.

[1:58:16] >> operational expenses, we

[1:58:17] have 1.5 million dollars

[1:58:19] budgeted this year. That is

[1:58:20] far road improvement. That is

[1:58:21] our paving improvement

[1:58:23] projects that we do every

[1:58:26] single year. That is a

[1:58:26] decrease. But that was based

[1:58:27] off of some changes to the

[1:58:29] board had made the previous

[1:58:34] year. So. Other than that

[1:58:35] under capital outlay our

[1:58:37] capital outlay projects. We

[1:58:40] have 18 million, 752 dollars

[1:58:45] and 8 million, $752,623, which

[1:58:47] is a reduction from the

[1:58:50] previous year of 2 million,

[1:58:51] 902 dollars. And that's a

[1:58:55] 13.4% reduction. And non

[1:58:57] operating. We have a change

[1:59:02] from 1.5, 9, 5, That's a

[1:59:06] change to 1 million, 18 7.57,

[1:59:07] which is a reduction of our

[1:59:10] non-operating by 576,000,

[1:59:11] which is another reduction of

[1:59:15] 36%. So total budget this year

[1:59:16] for for that department, which

[1:59:20] would be 21 million sept.

[1:59:24] 21 million, $271. $30338,

[1:59:26] which is total reduction of 14

[1:59:31] point 1, 0%. And for the

[1:59:33] record, these are restricted

[1:59:35] fund. See, yes, sir, to be

[1:59:36] used for restricted grounds

[1:59:39] and 99% of projects besides.

[1:59:40] >> The 1.5 million that is out

[1:59:42] of restricted funds are grant

[1:59:45] funded projects these are all

[1:59:50] projects that are funded.

[1:59:51] Their grandson road

[1:59:52] improvement. Yes, or road

[1:59:54] improvements. Road

[1:59:55] improvements. Signals ation

[1:59:56] improvements. Those types

[2:00:00] projects. Any questions,

[2:00:05] comments. And as and as we

[2:00:06] move through the year, you'll

[2:00:07] probably see some more

[2:00:08] amendments to this budget for

[2:00:10] some other ones that are and

[2:00:11] the works right now that we're

[2:00:15] talking with fdot. About. So

[2:00:16] they MAY be some projects that

[2:00:16] are not budgeted, of course,

[2:00:18] is we've we've talked about

[2:00:20] previously not budgeting for

[2:00:21] projects until we have to

[2:00:23] grant in place. There is some

[2:00:25] grant applications out there

[2:00:26] right now that this department

[2:00:27] would handle. And that's for

[2:00:34] some other capital outlays.

[2:00:35] Apparently I'm going to finish

[2:00:43] it out. So moving into the for

[2:00:44] a one 20 I'll take it

[2:00:45] normally. Denise takes us one.

[2:00:47] I'll go ahead and take it now

[2:00:50] because this is a parks and

[2:00:51] recreation site. Was through

[2:00:54] She said she was done some

[2:00:58] going to take up a

[2:01:02] >> in the 4, 0, 21. There's no

[2:01:05] personnel services operating

[2:01:06] expenses for that for that

[2:01:09] site or for that part of that

[2:01:15] site has increased to 54,000,

[2:01:16] 2.59. And that is a change in

[2:01:21] increase of 9.3, 1% from the

[2:01:21] previous year. That total

[2:01:24] total budget increase would be

[2:01:27] 9.3, 1%. That is a total

[2:01:28] budget and the authority of

[2:01:30] that is just the utilities in

[2:01:30] operation to keep that

[2:01:32] facility up and running. There

[2:01:34] is some revenue that comes in

[2:01:36] there. But of course, we know

[2:01:39] we're doing that on a

[2:01:39] month-to-month basis depending

[2:01:44] on this when the sale comes a

[2:01:45] kind of problem have of the

[2:01:45] best rooms there that they

[2:01:48] vandalized. Those very bad.

[2:01:49] >> We barely have operational

[2:01:50] bathrooms there. We have quit

[2:01:54] making repairs at that site

[2:01:56] because as we replace a

[2:01:56] replace urinals are replaced

[2:01:57] toilets. When we come back,

[2:02:00] they're busted off. We don't

[2:02:00] even have dividers in the

[2:02:03] men's restroom at all. So the

[2:02:03] toilet is just sitting out in

[2:02:05] the wide open because every

[2:02:09] time we replace it, it gets

[2:02:12] vandalized. We did some. We

[2:02:13] actually took some material

[2:02:14] out. Another restroom moved it

[2:02:16] over there. Did some repairs

[2:02:17] year or so ago and then they

[2:02:20] got vandalized again. We

[2:02:21] pretty much or more running on

[2:02:25] minimal operations. There. So

[2:02:26] it's it's got a point where we

[2:02:27] just were not making repairs

[2:02:29] there because it was too

[2:02:33] costly. We did not have the

[2:02:33] budgetary dollars and then

[2:02:36] even in the vacant buildings,

[2:02:37] we get a significant amount of

[2:02:37] vandalism. They have broke

[2:02:39] into the old restaurant

[2:02:41] building pretty much on a

[2:02:43] monthly basis were back over

[2:02:43] the re securing that building,

[2:02:44] cutting through the roof to

[2:02:47] get into it. I mean, from

[2:02:48] every which way the every

[2:02:48] window and it's been busted

[2:02:49] out, they've cut through the

[2:02:52] roof to get in. It's

[2:02:53] significant. The amount of

[2:02:55] vandalism that happens at that

[2:02:57] site. We've decided even if we

[2:02:59] shut this down, we can't shut

[2:03:00] package that down because its

[2:03:01] services, Scott driver. You're

[2:03:03] exactly right, sir.

[2:03:04] >> Yes, its services, Scott

[2:03:05] driver, we cannot shut the

[2:03:07] package plant down. It has to

[2:03:08] be operational.

[2:03:09] >> And and as I stated

[2:03:13] previously and Mondays. You

[2:03:17] know, our utility costs here

[2:03:18] are significantly high based

[2:03:18] off of the Mir size that's

[2:03:19] required to operate that

[2:03:23] facility. That is one of the

[2:03:25] one of the highest expenses at

[2:03:25] that site under the

[2:03:28] operational side.

[2:03:28] >> Could the gate being moved

[2:03:32] from out back? When you go in

[2:03:33] the entrance and turn right

[2:03:35] like you're going to the boat

[2:03:35] ramp, could that be gated,

[2:03:36] right? There's a lot we could

[2:03:38] do. We fenced.

[2:03:39] >> Fenced a lot of the

[2:03:40] facility off last year. The

[2:03:44] Old campground campground, the

[2:03:45] the problem we will have if we

[2:03:47] fence that facility off is

[2:03:51] that we still have. Tenants

[2:03:55] leases going on. So until the

[2:03:56] board says shut it down, shut

[2:03:56] down. As we know the boat

[2:04:01] ramps are shut down. One is do

[2:04:02] low water. Its actually I was

[2:04:07] out there yesterday and the

[2:04:08] water is actually past the

[2:04:11] shear. The sheep, It is

[2:04:12] actually a drop off at the Now

[2:04:14] she pass completely exposed.

[2:04:15] The other 3 ramps. There's a

[2:04:17] significant erosion issue

[2:04:18] underneath those. I've been

[2:04:19] there myself. You can crawl

[2:04:21] underneath the back system

[2:04:22] ramp so they had to be shut

[2:04:24] down due to that.

[2:04:24] >> As the vandalism coming in

[2:04:27] by boat or

[2:04:28] >> No most of it comes in by

[2:04:32] vehicle Yes, sir. Joining by

[2:04:34] vehicle. And we've done a

[2:04:34] really good job. Facilities is

[2:04:37] involved. Parks is involved

[2:04:38] were all involved about trying

[2:04:38] to keep people out. We have

[2:04:41] people who camped there. We've

[2:04:42] put up new signage. Every time

[2:04:44] we put new signs, a tear him

[2:04:45] down. But but I go myself

[2:04:48] every single Monday at 5.30,

[2:04:50] or 6 o'clock in the morning. I

[2:04:51] go down there and I do a drive

[2:04:53] thru. And if somebody is there

[2:04:54] camping overnight, I give

[2:04:56] them. A notice. If there's

[2:04:58] nobody that will answer the

[2:05:00] door. If I get answer the

[2:05:01] door, I will explain to them.

[2:05:01] They cannot do it. There's no

[2:05:04] overnight camping there. They

[2:05:04] cannot be their camping

[2:05:05] overnight because the majority

[2:05:07] of the vandalism is some of

[2:05:08] those people who are living in

[2:05:09] their car. They're down there

[2:05:12] there plugging in. We

[2:05:13] literally have someone that

[2:05:14] we've had to run off multiple

[2:05:15] times who has an extension

[2:05:16] cord plugged into the

[2:05:17] restrooms with the wind, the

[2:05:19] units the window, their car.

[2:05:21] And we've had to run them off

[2:05:21] a few times. And now we're at

[2:05:22] the point where they'll be

[2:05:25] trespassed. What about that?

[2:05:28] Yes, yes. Yeah. Very

[2:05:29] resourceful. They've they've

[2:05:30] come up with some great ideas.

[2:05:34] But I will say that the

[2:05:35] dumping of the dumping of

[2:05:39] trash has gotten much better.

[2:05:40] In the back of the facility.

[2:05:41] We still have the issues of

[2:05:42] trash cans where the people

[2:05:43] come over from Glades that

[2:05:45] just dropped bags of trash

[2:05:46] throughout the weekend in

[2:05:49] front of the trash cans and it

[2:05:50] sometimes it could be

[2:05:51] significant amount of bags of

[2:05:52] trash that come from. And what

[2:05:53] we've learned now, that's

[2:05:54] people who are not paying for

[2:05:55] trash service in Glades County

[2:05:56] coming do charity and dumping

[2:06:05] it there. There's another

[2:06:06] >> If if I can just add really

[2:06:09] quickly, just so to give you

[2:06:10] some reference, we do have

[2:06:11] active boat slip rentals at

[2:06:14] the location right now. But we

[2:06:15] are going month by month. So

[2:06:16] we only have rentals up

[2:06:17] through the end of JULY and

[2:06:18] they're only 4 slips being

[2:06:19] rented right now. We're in the

[2:06:24] offseason. Pick up as we go

[2:06:26] into OCTOBER or NOVEMBER.

[2:06:27] We're going to start seeing

[2:06:28] those increase. But right now

[2:06:30] there's only 4 slips being

[2:06:30] rented. So if we decided to

[2:06:36] make a the decision. We're

[2:06:37] only displacing 4 people at

[2:06:37] this point. It could you give

[2:06:40] them for kids lock it. But so

[2:06:43] many people want to fish. Say

[2:06:46] they want shut the bank down

[2:06:47] there.

[2:06:48] >> And we actually do. That's

[2:06:49] that clown fish to them. A

[2:06:52] call. That's where they like

[2:06:52] to be is right in that Marina

[2:06:55] side, we actually You say what

[2:06:58] you say, but a trial clown. I

[2:06:59] fish. He's one of those

[2:07:03] invasives. It's a big, weird

[2:07:04] looking fish and they like to

[2:07:04] hang around there in that

[2:07:09] basin. I mean, pretty know.

[2:07:10] >> We're talking about boat

[2:07:11] slips, but they can still put

[2:07:12] in at Scott driver and access

[2:07:15] that area by boat.

[2:07:16] >> Yes, yes, yes. But like in

[2:07:16] that case, we don't bring the

[2:07:19] boat. We just a code word. Sit

[2:07:24] on office it. Wasting time his

[2:07:28] or Dressed in a clown suit

[2:07:34] catching a fish. Thank Justin.

[2:07:34] Well, I got one more for you.

[2:07:37] We're not finished containing.

[2:07:42] So, but no, she him.

[2:07:43] >> question

[2:07:47] >> on Thomas Lee. Lauren. The

[2:07:49] 21. But for what I want is the

[2:07:50] parkside. And then we have 66,

[2:07:58] which is the maintenance side.

[2:07:59] There should be a I mean, 66

[2:08:03] slide. Also. I did. I keep

[2:08:08] pushing it. We pay Yes, sir.

[2:08:12] It's contract mode. There we

[2:08:17] go. As the chair just stated,

[2:08:20] the majority of the

[2:08:20] operational costs that are

[2:08:21] that are at this site are

[2:08:23] contract mowing.

[2:08:25] >> We this this out that did

[2:08:28] go out for bid 2? I think

[2:08:28] we're 2 years into that

[2:08:32] contract. That did go out for

[2:08:35] bid. They were by far lowest

[2:08:36] bidder. So the majority of

[2:08:37] what's expense there is

[2:08:39] contracted mowing at that

[2:08:41] site. The other stuff is just

[2:08:43] general repair items that we

[2:08:44] have to make just to be able

[2:08:45] to keep the park open. And

[2:08:48] it's very minimal of what we

[2:08:49] expense. 43,000 of that

[2:08:50] $45,000 budget. Is

[2:08:55] contracting. That riverside,

[2:08:59] yes, sir. Riverside has that

[2:08:59] contract. They have all the

[2:09:00] county stuff outside of the

[2:09:06] thing make. Yesterday. They

[2:09:06] do. They do 5. I think 5

[2:09:11] facilities now. Commissioner

[2:09:14] to cuddle.

[2:09:14] >> While we're on that, you

[2:09:16] want talk about the fans at

[2:09:19] the ag Center. The defense

[2:09:22] said the egg center.

[2:09:24] >> Just one part of the

[2:09:26] Accenture before the 4th of

[2:09:30] JULY, kind of scope of the

[2:09:31] scope out the set up and think

[2:09:31] Jen that were not maintaining

[2:09:34] the. Taking care of our feed.

[2:09:40] Lot Fence line with 4 finals,

[2:09:42] 3, 4 feet high offense which

[2:09:47] fence line 77, 10 on 7.10, out

[2:09:48] be the victims are down 70

[2:09:49] Make sure that that's on our

[2:09:50] spray schedule.

[2:09:51] >> We'll get that taken Really

[2:09:55] pet? Yeah. So and their

[2:09:56] contract they don't have to

[2:09:57] mow those tents. Are we this

[2:09:58] fence lines? We do that

[2:10:01] chemical. So I will make sure

[2:10:02] that that's on the schedule

[2:10:07] will get the handle. We did.

[2:10:08] Just for reference, we win a

[2:10:09] significant amount of time

[2:10:12] without a licensed. Someone

[2:10:13] who was licensed herbicides.

[2:10:13] So that's taking a little bit

[2:10:15] of time to get someone who has

[2:10:17] the licensing and we don't

[2:10:18] want another issue like we had

[2:10:19] at cemetery few years ago. So

[2:10:20] we will make sure we're doing

[2:10:21] it the right way. One of them,

[2:10:25] one of the but as we pay for

[2:10:26] somebody for less. And so

[2:10:28] assume that's what it was for.

[2:10:29] Yes, or somebody that was road

[2:10:31] department. Yes, sir. We do

[2:10:31] read department and

[2:10:32] facilities. Both both licensed

[2:10:36] herbicide. And then we also

[2:10:37] contracts a certain amount of

[2:10:42] it. We do now contract out you

[2:10:45] know, one of the examples see

[2:10:46] Scott driver. We contract out

[2:10:47] that Bird sanctuary area and

[2:10:48] some of the stuff down there

[2:10:51] with the contractor just.

[2:10:52] Being on the lakeside. I feel

[2:10:53] more comfortable knowing that

[2:10:54] we're using the right types of

[2:10:56] chemicals and someone who is

[2:10:59] very for fish very well versed

[2:11:04] spring. Those types other than

[2:11:06] that, I think I've finished up

[2:11:08] the whole budget. I'll close

[2:11:15] it out. Thank you. Okay.

[2:11:17] Commissioners, anything we

[2:11:18] want to specifically come back

[2:11:19] to look is Jessica's got

[2:11:19] something she's bringing

[2:11:23] Friday.

[2:11:23] >> I think she brought some

[2:11:27] today for us to get to review

[2:11:28] >> Yes, I do have that. If you

[2:11:29] have anything from today that

[2:11:35] you'd like to take some notes.

[2:11:39] >> I think overall we've been

[2:11:40] through this whole budget. It

[2:11:42] looks fairly decent. There's

[2:11:43] some things that I think we

[2:11:46] really need take a look at

[2:11:48] continue to try to. Maybe a

[2:11:54] work toward. I want win back

[2:11:56] to it last night and the

[2:11:58] numbers make proposition

[2:12:00] recommendation to the board.

[2:12:03] Is that anybody? It's over 5%.

[2:12:06] Increase. They need to bring

[2:12:11] it down to 5%. Because I think

[2:12:13] that's something reasonable

[2:12:14] because the bocc is it for

[2:12:18] 4.2. Right. You don't get down

[2:12:24] roughly 4%. 4%. So I think

[2:12:24] anybody, anybody that we went

[2:12:25] through here today and

[2:12:26] yesterday and the day before.

[2:12:28] I think that they need to take

[2:12:32] their country sharp it up. Get

[2:12:33] it down to 5, anything. It's

[2:12:34] like anything. We're 5% get

[2:12:37] back down to 5%. Because at

[2:12:39] the end of the day, is that?

[2:12:39] We only have x amount of

[2:12:44] money. And I think that one

[2:12:45] thing I want to bring back up

[2:12:46] also, I think that we kind of

[2:12:48] missed today. And Justin, this

[2:12:52] is on your side of the House.

[2:12:54] I think that we we missed

[2:12:55] really articulating that yours

[2:12:59] is only what, 5. But me out

[2:13:00] here.

[2:13:03] >> It's 7% total with the

[2:13:04] landfill, trust loans. So I

[2:13:05] have without those actually

[2:13:09] budget reduction of about 2%.

[2:13:10] >> Okay. So you're going make

[2:13:11] sure that that's out because

[2:13:12] we missed kind of making sure

[2:13:14] that that was demonstrated

[2:13:15] that it's not what we saw on

[2:13:18] the board. It's just basically

[2:13:19] we're moving money around and

[2:13:20] makes it a little bit

[2:13:22] different. But I think from my

[2:13:24] perspective, I think we should

[2:13:26] tell anybody any of the

[2:13:27] constitutional Ys, any of us

[2:13:30] us over 5%. We need to forget

[2:13:33] about the 5%. And I think you

[2:13:34] want to remember when the

[2:13:36] sheriff's department 6.8 to

[2:13:38] her, I think you had the clerk

[2:13:39] of court was 6.1, the cause

[2:13:43] and the sheriff of 6 point,

[2:13:44] the 2 of my members to

[2:13:46] correct. And I believe those

[2:13:48] are I don't know if there's a

[2:13:50] look over the sheriff in a in

[2:13:51] a minute. But I just finish

[2:13:52] but I think that's what that

[2:14:01] would be. My My head.

[2:14:01] >> I have a hand out here. I'm

[2:14:02] going to go ahead and pass

[2:14:07] down. Based on the closing

[2:14:12] yesterday. We needed to

[2:14:14] identify what the amended

[2:14:16] number actually was as well as

[2:14:16] adopted, as well as what's

[2:14:19] being proposed. So

[2:14:19] >> the first she is going to

[2:14:24] be. A few numbers. You have

[2:14:28] what was initially requested.

[2:14:30] 25 26 then the board

[2:14:33] direction. Then at that time

[2:14:34] was have them tighten their

[2:14:35] numbers. So then they came

[2:14:37] back and it was adopted. So

[2:14:40] you have that number there at

[2:14:44] 29 million, 990,000, 702. We

[2:14:45] did look in atg because that's

[2:14:47] our financial record that we

[2:14:51] use when we budget. 4 within

[2:14:52] the budget office. So within

[2:14:53] atg, the number that has been

[2:14:55] updated since the budget book

[2:14:57] is highlighted there in Orange

[2:14:59] for corrections. But that

[2:15:01] brings your atg amended to

[2:15:05] 31 Million 2, 0, 4, 108. What

[2:15:08] the sheriff's office

[2:15:08] presentation provided. Was

[2:15:12] here in Pink. So you Cso

[2:15:16] amended. 25 26. That does

[2:15:19] include an additional

[2:15:21] $183,075. There was a comment

[2:15:24] mention that there was going

[2:15:24] to be a budget amendment soon

[2:15:28] in regards to implementing the

[2:15:31] increase in Frs further

[2:15:33] quarter, as well as the fuel

[2:15:36] expense. So that's what that

[2:15:39] $183,075 increase from the

[2:15:41] presentation. So this should

[2:15:44] be the amended number. And

[2:15:47] then you have what was

[2:15:48] proposed originally and then

[2:15:52] what they proposed at at the

[2:15:53] meeting in their

[2:15:56] presentations. So you'll have

[2:15:56] the percentages, its color

[2:15:57] coded to reference what

[2:15:59] percentage it goes back to if

[2:16:01] you wanted to know what the

[2:16:05] percentages from adopted 2,

[2:16:05] the proposed. It's all

[2:16:10] referencing the proposed from

[2:16:10] presentation of 33 Million.

[2:16:15] 283. And 24. Additionally,

[2:16:20] your second handout. Attach

[2:16:21] their to talks about health

[2:16:23] insurance and workers

[2:16:28] compensation. We talked about

[2:16:31] this extensively staff and I

[2:16:32] Lisa specifically in terms of

[2:16:36] trying to find a number

[2:16:37] relative to fsa for the bocc

[2:16:41] or relative to for the

[2:16:43] sheriff's office for workers

[2:16:44] compensation. And there's just

[2:16:47] too many variables that come

[2:16:50] into to have an apples to

[2:16:51] apples comparison on workers,

[2:16:55] compensation. So if the board

[2:16:58] does want us to go out and get

[2:16:59] quotes go to through a

[2:17:03] competitive process. We can do

[2:17:03] that just we would do it for

[2:17:06] next fiscal year. So just

[2:17:06] wanted to provide you where

[2:17:09] we're at. We did get that per

[2:17:10] full-time employee number for

[2:17:13] health insurance. But again,

[2:17:14] there's other variables.

[2:17:15] They're dependent on the plans

[2:17:16] that they're offering. If it

[2:17:19] is an apples to apples

[2:17:20] comparison. So if this is

[2:17:22] something a direction from the

[2:17:22] board, we're more than happy

[2:17:25] to move forward. I just didn't

[2:17:26] want to provide a an accurate

[2:17:28] number for workers.

[2:17:29] Compensation due to all the

[2:17:30] variables that come into play.

[2:17:33] One of them being the what's

[2:17:36] called the experience

[2:17:37] modification rating. That's

[2:17:40] basically the risk rate and

[2:17:41] our Chris great is 0.8, 9 and

[2:17:44] anything below one is better

[2:17:45] than average, which typically

[2:17:48] provides lower premiums. We

[2:17:49] don't know what that

[2:17:51] modification rating is for the

[2:17:52] sheriff's office. And if we

[2:17:56] are added to that poll pool

[2:17:56] within workers compensation,

[2:18:00] then we then have that Chris

[2:18:00] great applied as well. So it

[2:18:01] could potentially increase our

[2:18:05] premium. So there's just and

[2:18:06] you'll see of the list here on

[2:18:08] how the calculation is for the

[2:18:09] premiums as well as what

[2:18:09] factors come into play when it

[2:18:11] comes to workers.

[2:18:13] Compensation. Typically the

[2:18:16] policies are bundled with your

[2:18:17] property and casualty. So you

[2:18:17] have your health insurance,

[2:18:19] then you have your property

[2:18:20] and casualty with workers

[2:18:22] compensation. So

[2:18:22] >> they're 2 different

[2:18:27] processes. And functions that.

[2:18:28] That come into play when

[2:18:29] trying to get a quote for

[2:18:32] premium. And I'll stop there

[2:18:38] as your value 18.

[2:18:43] >> Thank It was good. Very,

[2:18:47] very good. Must hold up.

[2:18:47] >> Could we lower their risk

[2:18:50] rate we can mine?

[2:18:53] >> I don't. I don't know that

[2:18:56] be a question because it's the

[2:18:58] 5th Florida Sheriffs

[2:18:59] Association said the entire

[2:18:59] state. So it's it's I group,

[2:19:02] correct? And there's

[2:19:06] different. It gets very

[2:19:06] convoluted. There's different

[2:19:07] towers that you can be applied

[2:19:11] to. So just dependent on how.

[2:19:23] How it's invested.

[2:19:24] >> And that last amended

[2:19:28] numbers. Don't know the

[2:19:33] bottom. Bottom, right? It has

[2:19:34] it as the percent change of

[2:19:36] county sheriff's in the

[2:19:43] budget. Plus one 83 75. Help

[2:19:47] me. Is that one? 83 75

[2:19:51] included in the 6.1 8.

[2:19:53] >> So there presentation. Had

[2:19:59] a

[2:20:03] >> one 11,000 for it for us.

[2:20:08] >> So their budget

[2:20:08] presentation had just did

[2:20:10] budget total of 33 million to

[2:20:11] 83, 0, 2, 4, which is what is

[2:20:19] shown there. But you'll see at

[2:20:22] the top line, 20 million 3.74,

[2:20:23] where the total net adjustment

[2:20:26] was added. From their

[2:20:30] presentations. So that's where

[2:20:32] the increase took place. As

[2:20:35] far as the one. 25 when it

[2:20:36] comes sorry. But that's that's

[2:20:38] not your question. Sorry.

[2:20:39] >> Going back, the amended

[2:20:45] here. The one 83 0, 7, 5, was

[2:20:46] added to the law enforcement

[2:20:48] because of frs and the fuel

[2:20:51] expense and their 4th quarter.

[2:20:53] What was your question? I'm

[2:20:53] sorry.

[2:20:55] >> I was just want to see if

[2:20:56] that was the weights as

[2:21:01] percent change. Plus one 83 as

[2:21:02] should say, inclusive of the

[2:21:07] one 83. Yeah. So that's just a

[2:21:10] ok? I if I needed also add

[2:21:10] that no, that that's been

[2:21:11] added. That's just letting you

[2:21:14] know, that that's part

[2:21:16] inclusive or yes, because

[2:21:17] presentation.

[2:21:18] >> When you look at the

[2:21:20] amended budget slide that they

[2:21:23] had their amended budget on

[2:21:25] their presentation. Had

[2:21:28] 31 Million 1.64. To 36. So if

[2:21:29] you saw discrepancy by looking

[2:21:31] at their presentation, I

[2:21:32] wanted it to be clear that i

[2:21:34] then added the one 83 0, 7, 5

[2:21:36] based on discussions with the

[2:21:36] undersheriff that that that

[2:21:38] and ask for that gradual fuel

[2:21:41] for correct.

[2:21:42] >> So with that, what what is

[2:21:45] there?

[2:21:46] >> Bottom line percent

[2:21:49] increase in budget.

[2:21:50] >> depends on what you're

[2:21:52] looking at. Against 10.9 8%

[2:21:55] against what we adopted. 6.6,

[2:22:02] 6% against. The bet budget

[2:22:06] book. 6.1 8% against

[2:22:07] presentation that let's go

[2:22:08] back to one thing. It when we

[2:22:09] talked about the amended

[2:22:10] budget for 2025. This the pink

[2:22:13] piece of it.

[2:22:16] >> The pink is is so you'll

[2:22:17] see here less other revenue

[2:22:19] debt service amendment. And

[2:22:19] prior year we incumbents.

[2:22:23] That's not something that we.

[2:22:24] We understand in terms of the

[2:22:25] budget office when we're

[2:22:28] putting together, we go off of

[2:22:29] atg. That's us telling you,

[2:22:30] this is what how we got our

[2:22:31] numbers. And then this is the

[2:22:32] sheriff. What the sheriff

[2:22:34] resented at the meeting. So

[2:22:36] they they have their own

[2:22:38] finance department. So we go

[2:22:40] off of atg, which is our. Our

[2:22:45] record of.

[2:22:46] >> Right. But with my my point

[2:22:47] is, is that when you look the

[2:22:49] adopted budget. For 2025,

[2:22:54] 2026. And you take that. In

[2:22:57] totality to 29 mil. From

[2:23:00] OCTOBER one of last year until

[2:23:04] today. How many amendments and

[2:23:04] was the cost of those

[2:23:06] amendments that we put on to

[2:23:08] that budget? Because my issue

[2:23:08] is the question to development

[2:23:15] budget. On new budget on the

[2:23:15] amended budget verse is being

[2:23:17] amended. Excuse me developing

[2:23:17] a budget. Hopefully you're

[2:23:20] adopted budget. In the budget

[2:23:23] could include grants that are

[2:23:26] not focused on personnel

[2:23:27] whatever. So my problem trying

[2:23:30] to understand this, is it.

[2:23:32] You're adding a lot of money

[2:23:33] in between OCTOBER to JULY of

[2:23:38] this year. What how much money

[2:23:40] is that? That is. That is

[2:23:43] grants.

[2:23:44] >> And it grants I would have

[2:23:49] to identified. But

[2:23:50] >> the from the adopted to the

[2:23:50] amended its it ranges from 4

[2:23:54] to 4 and a half percent, which

[2:23:56] you can see those numbers

[2:23:58] change from the adopted to the

[2:23:59] amended and we in law

[2:23:59] enforcement and corrections.

[2:24:02] Okay. So.

[2:24:03] >> still stand by. My

[2:24:09] suggestion starts. I think

[2:24:11] people who are over 5% should

[2:24:14] sharpen your pencil. And come

[2:24:17] in at 5% over the budget.

[2:24:18] We're in new port where the

[2:24:22] right now. If you take a look

[2:24:26] at it across state. People are

[2:24:31] reducing their budgets.

[2:24:32] They're sharpening their

[2:24:32] pencils work we cannot

[2:24:34] continue to do that. If you

[2:24:35] can do it from the bocc

[2:24:40] standpoint. And you get to 4%.

[2:24:40] I think everybody should be

[2:24:42] able to get at least a 5%. So

[2:24:46] MR. Commissioner Burrows, are

[2:24:51] you saying? 5% from?

[2:24:54] >> The 25 26 adopted. Are you

[2:24:59] saying 5% from the amended?

[2:25:02] >> Say that is a proposed. His

[2:25:07] proposed budget 33 to to 4.

[2:25:13] >> Which is 6.1 8%. Adjusted.

[2:25:15] But it's 10.9% above the

[2:25:17] adopted. So when you are

[2:25:20] asking for a 5% only increase.

[2:25:24] Increase off of which one. The

[2:25:25] adopted you have to. You have

[2:25:28] to look at 5% proposed.

[2:25:28] >> Maybe mention your point. I

[2:25:34] think you are. If you've got.

[2:25:35] $100 and you say I don't want

[2:25:35] to be more than 5% come back

[2:25:38] at $105. We've got 2 different

[2:25:40] $100. We've got 100 that we

[2:25:41] approved. But in 102 was

[2:25:45] spent. The adjusted. So are

[2:25:48] you looking for a maximum of

[2:25:51] 5% above the 102. Are you

[2:25:52] looking at a maximum of 5%

[2:25:53] above the 100? Based on my

[2:25:57] simple. No, I think what what

[2:25:58] I'm saying is that whatever

[2:26:04] your proposed budget is today.

[2:26:07] Get a 5%. If I'm 75, what if I

[2:26:08] MAY?

[2:26:08] >> Most of the percentages

[2:26:10] that he's referencing are

[2:26:12] based off of the adjusted. So

[2:26:12] it's my understanding that he

[2:26:14] might be referring to the

[2:26:15] adjusted because what he's

[2:26:16] referencing the bocc 4%.

[2:26:19] That's that's off of amended

[2:26:20] not are adopted.

[2:26:23] >> our amended. 4% higher than

[2:26:27] or about. I would have to

[2:26:30] check on that percentage.

[2:26:31] >> So your recommended comes

[2:26:32] down. 1.18%.

[2:26:33] >> That's what I'm saying

[2:26:35] right now. Yes. That's where

[2:26:39] we are. All my hand corner of

[2:26:44] the bank. I think an 8 I can't

[2:26:48] ask him. I can't asked.

[2:26:49] Somebody to Co go from the

[2:26:52] adopted budget of 25 2026. I

[2:26:53] can only go from what he's put

[2:26:57] in today. Well, that only but

[2:27:01] you just said few moments ago

[2:27:01] that some of that could be

[2:27:03] grants and so forth that are

[2:27:05] one time only. He's and I

[2:27:06] don't. And I don't know how

[2:27:09] much that is because I'm going

[2:27:10] figure it up this afternoon.

[2:27:11] But when you figure that up,

[2:27:12] then what are you going to be

[2:27:13] asking And I made me tell you

[2:27:13] that it will be all for that

[2:27:16] number.

[2:27:19] >> Well, if if we're asking.

[2:27:21] For him to come back with a

[2:27:21] different number. It be nice.

[2:27:24] Be new, which number to be

[2:27:26] shooting for so much It would

[2:27:27] be a service to 2, but

[2:27:28] actually telling what we're

[2:27:31] asking for. Understand that.

[2:27:35] But here's what so I agree

[2:27:36] with your your comment. My

[2:27:38] point I don't know what that

[2:27:39] percentage is or what the

[2:27:40] dollar amount is that

[2:27:41] associated with.

[2:27:41] >> Grants that are just

[2:27:46] one-time grants. Because why

[2:27:47] should I build a budget off of

[2:27:48] a one-time grant? That's my

[2:27:51] problem. If I-5 got x amount

[2:27:56] of dollars. Outside of the

[2:27:58] grant and that's what should

[2:28:02] build be. Building my budget

[2:28:03] Not adding grants to it. Just

[2:28:05] so it looks good on number.

[2:28:06] Well, especially for the one

[2:28:08] times if you've got a

[2:28:10] recurring one that comes every

[2:28:11] year in JANUARY and he can't

[2:28:12] budget for, but he knows it's

[2:28:14] coming every year in JANUARY.

[2:28:16] >> That's a legitimate number.

[2:28:17] Absolutely. If there's a

[2:28:17] one-time, here's 200 grand

[2:28:21] for. Fleet tires. That's a one

[2:28:24] and done. Then you can I I'm

[2:28:26] agreeing with what you're

[2:28:28] saying. That doesn't become a

[2:28:29] something you budgeted for. It

[2:28:34] say. One over. If these

[2:28:35] numbers are correct and we

[2:28:38] need one that 1.18% of their

[2:28:41] we ask in in Re used $292,739.

[2:28:48] >> In 68.0, $0.32. If numbers

[2:28:49] correct. Fact numbers. Critics

[2:28:50] what you're looking Free

[2:28:51] night, little under 400,000.

[2:28:58] Yeah. Because here's here's

[2:28:58] the thing. Commissioner summer

[2:29:00] brings up a good point. You've

[2:29:04] got it. You know, the dot, the

[2:29:07] budget. Next, you get all

[2:29:09] these particular grant or

[2:29:10] whatever, whatever, whatever,

[2:29:11] amendments, to the sheriff's

[2:29:13] budget during the course of

[2:29:16] that year, various things.

[2:29:17] Some of could be a one-time

[2:29:20] grant. Some could be a

[2:29:21] reoccurring grant. The

[2:29:22] reoccurring grants should be

[2:29:25] applied. 2, the amended, but

[2:29:28] due to the adopted budget, the

[2:29:30] one-time grants should not.

[2:29:30] That's that's what I was

[2:29:34] trying to get right. I don't

[2:29:35] have that number. And that's

[2:29:36] to that's the key to this is

[2:29:40] that. I can ask and did. I can

[2:29:41] just make this blank statement

[2:29:44] I should come down to 5%

[2:29:45] whatever your your proposed

[2:29:45] budget is after Monday's

[2:29:48] grants. Minus non-recurring

[2:29:52] grants. You can do that. But

[2:29:53] we still have to understand a

[2:29:58] number. And that was what

[2:30:00] post. Unfortunately. Thank

[2:30:01] you. Through this last night,

[2:30:04] MR. CHAIRMAN. It's occurring

[2:30:07] to me that. We have things in

[2:30:10] here that or not that are

[2:30:11] one-time deals. I think I MAY

[2:30:15] be wrong. But I think there's

[2:30:16] its when you look through the

[2:30:17] amendments over a year, I

[2:30:22] think you're going to find.

[2:30:23] And all I'm looking to do is

[2:30:24] making sure that we have a

[2:30:27] valid number. What's really

[2:30:30] required to do the job?

[2:30:33] Shortchange not get more. But

[2:30:34] what is required to do the

[2:30:37] job. And then outside the

[2:30:38] one-time grants and stuff of

[2:30:43] that sort. That doesn't, you

[2:30:44] know, to me, you and you know,

[2:30:47] on the other. Problem I had

[2:30:52] was the fact of trying to.

[2:30:59] Match the firemen. Their race.

[2:31:02] I think that we have the union

[2:31:06] we deal with on the far side,

[2:31:07] I don't have a union to deal

[2:31:08] with on the bocc side. We've

[2:31:12] agreed it is 2% plus e p a

[2:31:15] right, mark. Correct on that.

[2:31:22] So I think 2%, merit. What and

[2:31:23] whatever the cpi. I think

[2:31:23] those are should be a

[2:31:35] baseline. My my opinion only.

[2:31:44] MISS Jessica.

[2:31:44] >> We updated number on the

[2:31:49] impact fees to date.

[2:31:50] Collections.

[2:31:50] >> So today we have collected

[2:31:54] for impact fees. Sit spore

[2:31:56] that have been. Applied for

[2:31:59] since MAY 15th. We did the

[2:32:02] application been approved. So

[2:32:03] all 4 of those were single

[2:32:07] family residence. 3 of them

[2:32:08] were under 1500 square foot.

[2:32:09] One was over 1500 square foot.

[2:32:12] So if you want to run down the

[2:32:13] list of accounts and their

[2:32:15] balances for you.

[2:32:20] >> Yes, just the total. You

[2:32:23] have have a total

[2:32:23] transportation is and isn't

[2:32:24] 16th. I do not have a total of

[2:32:25] all of the impact fees have

[2:32:27] per account. Okay.

[2:32:30] >> But transportation is

[2:32:33] 16,000 Library, $670.

[2:32:35] Corrections is $800. Law

[2:32:38] enforcement is 6,000. Fire and

[2:32:41] ems is 2800. Public schools

[2:32:45] are 8500. Parks and rec. Our

[2:32:47] 2200 public facilities are

[2:32:51] 5200 action. Do have a total

[2:32:51] total with administrative fees

[2:33:03] as $52,000.

[2:33:08] >> Just for quick. Add on.

[2:33:08] Leaving the grants part out of

[2:33:11] If you're asking. For that

[2:33:14] reduction down to 5%. Did

[2:33:17] cause you said to be nearly

[2:33:20] 400 grand? It's 3. 68 3.47.

[2:33:23] Leaving out the. What's real

[2:33:26] and what's member part of it,

[2:33:28] if you did it straight off of.

[2:33:33] The adjusted. To the ask

[2:33:33] you're asking for abduction

[2:33:42] over there. 368,000. Open it.

[2:33:46] And that's just.

[2:33:46] >> really as it goes back to

[2:33:49] the clerk of court, too. He's

[2:33:50] 6.1.

[2:33:52] >> Yeah. And that number. We

[2:33:53] flipped that it would take for

[2:34:07] the second. Some of dresses.

[2:34:08] Clerk, 6 point want to think

[2:34:10] figure to those Tate.

[2:34:12] >> 1.1% off of his was it

[2:34:17] comes to him. Purcell, Well,

[2:34:22] yeah, to make it 5% whatever.

[2:34:23] Gotten out of what what? It

[2:34:38] would be ones.

[2:34:38] Are going

[2:34:38] transfer the Curtis?

[2:35:03] 3 Million? 40 ish 1000?

[2:35:04] >> 3, 0, 9, 4, $37,560 is what

[2:35:07] ubs commander Days over

[2:35:12] 3 Billion 3 million. 94.

[2:35:14] Taking 2, 3, 1, 89, one 97,

[2:35:15] which is a reduction 37,005,

[2:35:17] 6.

[2:35:18] >> And it you know, that's you

[2:35:21] know, that's not a lot of

[2:35:22] money. I'm not if you of the

[2:35:25] money is just looking fight.

[2:35:28] 5% above what you your budget.

[2:35:30] 5% cut.

[2:35:37] That's just me. Guys debate

[2:35:38] that if you want. I don't

[2:35:40] care. But that's my. That's my

[2:35:46] thing.

[2:35:47] >> It's hard to put an

[2:35:49] arbitrary number on it. But

[2:35:49] obviously the anything that

[2:35:56] can be done is helpful. If as

[2:35:57] a total board, which is

[2:35:58] inclusive of the fire

[2:35:59] department. We stated 4%. I

[2:36:02] don't think it's a huge ask.

[2:36:02] >> To ask anyone else to top.

[2:36:06] There's at 5. So I don't

[2:36:06] disagree with you.

[2:36:12] Commissioner. I MAY be a

[2:36:12] little simple sometimes

[2:36:17] compared to some of you.

[2:36:18] >> Mathematicians and things.

[2:36:19] I look at it kind of like

[2:36:20] this. If you're 2 income

[2:36:20] family and they were to live

[2:36:25] from income. I mean, you know,

[2:36:26] taking a few less trips, the

[2:36:29] town are. Maybe not going out

[2:36:33] to be tough. Just cutting back

[2:36:34] a little we can just find that

[2:36:35] somewhere. Little bit here a

[2:36:36] little bit. There MAY be. Next

[2:36:39] year we don't fall off the

[2:36:42] cliff. Everybody help a little

[2:36:56] bit. I guess.

[2:36:59] >> If they can, could down 5%.

[2:37:00] That would be that would be

[2:37:07] nice. Also talk about people

[2:37:08] that were bulletproof vest to

[2:37:13] work. You know, I don't want

[2:37:14] to I don't want to that's

[2:37:19] going on I don't want to.

[2:37:22] Product cut. A little bit of

[2:37:27] money off decreases. They're

[2:37:28] effective mission protecting

[2:37:29] and serving the public. You

[2:37:35] know, If there's Fluff in

[2:37:35] area, I believe that we

[2:37:39] should. You know, push to do

[2:37:43] the best to win of that out.

[2:37:44] It's so close that I don't

[2:37:46] know it's worth. Than the

[2:37:53] optics. This is not she's real

[2:37:53] dollars. No, no, no. Israel

[2:37:54] dollars. I know it's but I

[2:37:57] just this is just my thought.

[2:37:59] If there's if there's fluff,

[2:37:59] yeah, we should. Who should

[2:38:01] cut it out. I don't want to. I

[2:38:02] don't want think it makes them

[2:38:07] less effective. Doing her job.

[2:38:08] Protection, serve the public

[2:38:17] That's where I'm at

[2:38:17] >> We do have some you're

[2:38:20] going to say or I agree. It's

[2:38:21] a high risk and it's well

[2:38:24] needed. I got relatives in

[2:38:26] that space, too. Close I

[2:38:28] appreciate that. Appreciate

[2:38:31] everybody. But maybe they're

[2:38:34] somewhere else without getting

[2:38:34] rid of writ of the bullet

[2:38:37] proof vest, so to speak that

[2:38:38] there's something they can

[2:38:39] find. We'd appreciate it.

[2:38:40] That's all we're saying

[2:38:41] everybody. Try to help. We've

[2:38:44] got a problem. We're not in

[2:38:45] control of that. That's what

[2:38:47] they're doing in for

[2:38:48] government decision. Now the

[2:38:49] people are going to decide it

[2:38:52] sounds real good to the

[2:38:52] taxpayer know fact we don't

[2:38:53] have to keep paying for

[2:38:55] houses. You've heard it. So we

[2:38:56] got to deal with that. We've

[2:38:59] got to prepare little bit.

[2:39:02] >> not asking for abduction.

[2:39:03] Still saying you can go up 5%

[2:39:06] on your budget. That's not.

[2:39:10] That's not saying. Take away

[2:39:11] of a vest or don't give a

[2:39:17] raise. That's that's not. What

[2:39:18] Commissioner Burrows I'm

[2:39:20] trying to put words in your

[2:39:21] mouth, but if you can hold

[2:39:26] your increase to 5%. Yeah. You

[2:39:27] know, if my daughter start

[2:39:28] spending more on a credit card

[2:39:28] at Gainesville, then she

[2:39:29] should and will say you need

[2:39:33] to. Whether it's not getting

[2:39:34] Starbucks coffee. I don't know

[2:39:35] sharing Starbucks coffee, but

[2:39:39] but that example years if. You

[2:39:40] can spend a little bit more

[2:39:40] because everything does cost a

[2:39:43] little bit more than it did

[2:39:44] last year. There's not a

[2:39:45] dollar sandwich of McDonald's

[2:39:48] anymore. We know that. But

[2:39:49] asking somebody to to take

[2:39:52] their growth and capped at 5%.

[2:39:53] I don't think is an

[2:39:56] unreasonable ask.

[2:39:58] >> And agree with that. But if

[2:40:00] their Starbucks coffee, we

[2:40:03] just use that as a. It's a

[2:40:04] place, example, in your

[2:40:05] budget. It needs to come out.

[2:40:12] Only agree with that.

[2:40:14] >> Well, it's a total the, for

[2:40:14] instance, on our side, the

[2:40:16] fire department did go up. But

[2:40:17] we came down on some other

[2:40:20] stuff to make up for it.

[2:40:22] Workout, 2 percentage well

[2:40:23] know that there have about 2

[2:40:25] trucks and that's a real notes

[2:40:27] it would be. But for the

[2:40:29] trucks. So your partially But

[2:40:32] overall got feathers and all

[2:40:32] one dollars where that a 4%

[2:40:37] increase. So all doing is

[2:40:38] asking everybody else to

[2:40:39] sharpen their pencils nearly

[2:40:42] to the same level that we did

[2:40:44] if our numbers are right and

[2:40:44] all I can do stresses book

[2:40:46] that handed to me. So numbers

[2:40:50] are correct. Then that's all

[2:40:52] we're asking. If you can't do

[2:40:53] it, you can't do it. Come here

[2:40:53] and say, look, I can't do it.

[2:40:56] This is why then played the

[2:40:56] case at the time. But if you

[2:41:00] can. Please do for the sake of

[2:41:01] the public, for the sake of

[2:41:04] the doe's crowd, we can. I

[2:41:05] mean, again, like I said 3

[2:41:08] more months ago, we are a

[2:41:09] bunch Republicans were not big

[2:41:11] government people. We're not

[2:41:15] big spending people. Our job

[2:41:17] is to give as much service as

[2:41:17] possible with his little cost

[2:41:24] as possible. Well, is this

[2:41:25] does this I know for a fact

[2:41:28] they're working on it.

[2:41:28] >> this time last year, we

[2:41:31] said that, you know, help us

[2:41:33] out and that, you know, and

[2:41:34] that was That was on

[2:41:34] Wednesday. And they came by

[2:41:35] Friday morning and we had a

[2:41:39] compromise. So if you nothing

[2:41:42] came back and say, again as

[2:41:43] this money for bulletproof

[2:41:46] vests and we're going say, of

[2:41:46] wager to say that if they come

[2:41:47] back and say, hey, we'll

[2:41:50] tighten belts and we'll make

[2:41:51] this work them with puppets.

[2:41:56] Okay to that. So but I'm

[2:41:57] confident and all the county

[2:41:58] departments constitutional

[2:41:59] employees know that everybody

[2:42:03] the same. Page that we are to

[2:42:05] do is good to service is

[2:42:08] possible for the least amount

[2:42:09] of money. I'm suggesting we

[2:42:10] let them come by Friday

[2:42:10] morning see what the

[2:42:12] temperature is

[2:42:15] >> And I would like to add an

[2:42:19] additional thanks again. To

[2:42:19] those constitutional came in

[2:42:20] at a flat budget from last

[2:42:24] year. We we asked and they

[2:42:25] absolutely performed and I

[2:42:28] can't. We couldn't get down to

[2:42:31] 0 wish we could, but we could.

[2:42:32] But 3 of them did. With a

[2:42:35] that.

[2:42:36] >> I think everybody has to

[2:42:37] remind you. So one thing.

[2:42:39] We've heard this over and

[2:42:42] over, that's not our money. I

[2:42:45] don't care who you are. Give

[2:42:46] your constitutional if you're

[2:42:49] if you're. The occ or

[2:42:53] whatever, it's not our money.

[2:42:54] >> And at the end of the day

[2:42:55] we're been put appear in order

[2:42:56] to be the steward to that

[2:43:00] money.

[2:43:01] >> I'm not saying that we need

[2:43:02] to throw take away proof vest.

[2:43:07] Not We have seen in the past.

[2:43:08] There's places where people

[2:43:09] can reduce or budgets without

[2:43:16] hurting themselves. And that

[2:43:19] was we put on her. You come

[2:43:23] through. With only 4%.

[2:43:27] Increase. Given the gas, given

[2:43:28] all the other stuff that went

[2:43:29] in into that calculation this

[2:43:38] year. What she got 4% So i

[2:43:40] don't think it's I don't think

[2:43:41] it's out of the realm, covers

[2:43:41] responsibility to ask

[2:43:44] everybody else. To try to

[2:43:55] coming in at 5% over what in

[2:43:55] the flow for anything could

[2:43:58] cut out? Yes, absolutely.

[2:44:03] >> But you cut it out.

[2:44:04] >> But I'm I'm Mike with the

[2:44:05] CHAIRMAN This week and see

[2:44:07] what happens. I think the

[2:44:07] message should, you know, the

[2:44:08] the hurt if they're watching,

[2:44:09] they heard the message. And

[2:44:11] they heard the debate. That

[2:44:13] goes for the judge for the

[2:44:15] clerk of court. And that goes

[2:44:19] for the sheriff. Anybody else.

[2:44:20] So they heard debate so their

[2:44:21] little work on this. He

[2:44:25] wouldn't come up with.

[2:44:27] >> Just for the second part of

[2:44:28] the conversation in terms of

[2:44:30] workers comp and health

[2:44:31] insurance. Is that something

[2:44:32] you want us to go through the

[2:44:32] competitive process coming

[2:44:38] here for? It's it's over next

[2:44:40] years for next year's

[2:44:41] consideration. Answer if

[2:44:42] you've got the time, the can't

[2:44:43] hurt to ask the question. Some

[2:44:46] of it. And make a project is

[2:44:52] today. It gets pretty

[2:44:52] extensive because if you're

[2:44:54] trying to compare apples to

[2:44:55] apples, there's going to be

[2:44:56] different. Insurance plans and

[2:45:02] workers compensation.

[2:45:03] >> Rates so.

[2:45:03] >> And I want is for was that

[2:45:05] can. But, you know, were just

[2:45:06] in for impact fees with Justin

[2:45:07] for a new budget director.

[2:45:08] We've got so many things going

[2:45:12] on right now that.

[2:45:14] >> But pay attention to the

[2:45:15] tax issue to yes, yeah. We

[2:45:16] don't know what's come a

[2:45:17] couple met. It MAY not be the

[2:45:20] opportune time.

[2:45:20] >> tackle that.

[2:45:22] >> let me ask it this way. If

[2:45:26] we're if I go to shop, new

[2:45:27] insurance companies for my

[2:45:27] family, they do the work of

[2:45:30] putting together the bid. I

[2:45:31] mean, I realize there's some

[2:45:32] coordination that from my and

[2:45:34] to be on the phone with them.

[2:45:35] But I don't have to compare

[2:45:37] the apples to apples. They did

[2:45:42] us. They bid the as so. The

[2:45:44] other company bids 2 of got

[2:45:47] the best bid. His answer, but

[2:45:48] they don't be. This is like

[2:45:49] the life Insurance Company We

[2:45:50] have now.

[2:45:51] >> My coverage goes down every

[2:45:55] year. The other one MAY not.

[2:45:56] So there's so many things that

[2:45:57] you've got to take it. Lace-up

[2:46:01] would be. 24 hours a day

[2:46:02] trying analyze that with We

[2:46:03] would also be analyzing.

[2:46:09] >> portfolio. So in terms of

[2:46:12] the towers that we would be

[2:46:15] placed into and how how much

[2:46:16] risk we would be associated

[2:46:16] with based on the poll that

[2:46:20] were and so even though they

[2:46:21] provide us that information.

[2:46:22] And still there's a lot of an

[2:46:23] allegation that we would have

[2:46:25] to do on our end to ensure

[2:46:28] that we're in a where with the

[2:46:31] right provider that is not

[2:46:32] going to put us at a large

[2:46:33] risk to then increase our

[2:46:35] premiums over time.

[2:46:36] >> So in other words, the

[2:46:39] juice at worst, the squeeze at

[2:46:40] this point just think we have

[2:46:41] so many things going on right

[2:46:41] now as don't overload the

[2:46:46] wagon. I don't get Elamine.

[2:46:47] And that hopefully help the

[2:46:49] budget process goes goes a lot

[2:46:49] differently. You know, we've

[2:46:54] got. The computer programs is

[2:46:55] not driving. We've got a major

[2:46:56] win over there that, you know,

[2:47:00] we've agreed to go or

[2:47:02] something. And I think we've

[2:47:03] got a lot of things going I do

[2:47:06] have one question. It was our

[2:47:07] life insurance. It goes down.

[2:47:09] Older you get in mind to get

[2:47:11] pretty low. Does that mean

[2:47:16] Commissioner Burrows doesn't

[2:47:21] 0. So exposure

[2:47:22] >> it was the guy that, you

[2:47:25] know, Lee said, do know they

[2:47:28] don't care about has been, but

[2:47:29] the cemetery cash. But we've

[2:47:35] been so got talk to him to

[2:47:40] Because think got a site you

[2:47:42] can to up I almost just looked

[2:47:43] at, not cover smile. And so I

[2:47:45] didn't want to aggravate

[2:47:46] storage is asked if I'd ever

[2:47:49] heard anything back. And we're

[2:47:49] talking savings accounts

[2:47:52] versus the Aflac.

[2:47:56] >> And we're talking about

[2:47:58] death, a little yes, you're

[2:48:00] still that we're looking

[2:48:01] everyone. Do you going to add

[2:48:02] you a solution this fiscal

[2:48:03] year for another option with

[2:48:06] MetLife?

[2:48:06] >> Which is just another

[2:48:10] supplemental. Yes. We have

[2:48:11] done some research that we

[2:48:11] plan on bringing to the board

[2:48:16] sometime next fiscal year.

[2:48:16] >> question all right, for the

[2:48:18] record. Budget workshop will

[2:48:23] be. Continued until Friday

[2:48:24] morning. 9 o'clock, a regular

[2:48:27] commission meeting will be is

[2:48:28] scheduled for 9 o'clock

[2:48:29] tomorrow. Things couldn't have

[2:48:30] been more. So we're adjourned

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