[0:00] [laughter]

[0:13] Yeah, some trees today.

[0:43] To the flag of the United States of

[0:45] America to the republic for it stands

[0:48] one nation

[0:50] indivisible with liberty and justice for

[0:52] all.

[1:03] here.

[1:04] >> Councelor Ky

[1:05] >> here.

[1:05] >> Councelor Smith

[1:06] >> present.

[1:14] » Thank you everyone for coming to our

[1:16] special meeting tonight.

[1:21] Um,

[1:27] do you want to discuss

[1:32] how does

[1:54] Item number one, approve the revised 30%

[1:58] design submission for the Veterans

[1:59] Memorial Park and authoriz

[2:28] Yeah.

[2:28] >> Okay, cool.

[2:29] >> Yeah. So, Steve, you want to come on up?

[2:32] Grab the

[2:38] [clears throat]

[2:53] All right. Good evening.

[2:56] >> Good evening.

[2:58] All right. So I have a

[3:02] paper prescue.

[3:25] All right. So slide one, the

[3:29] keep this pretty short. Back in March, I

[3:30] gave the council a much more detailed

[3:33] update that went through every project.

[3:35] Since then, I've also contin

[3:50] since March and what we need to do to

[3:51] keep moving forward. Slide two. What has

[3:55] changed since March? A few things have

[3:57] changed since March. Veterans Park has

[3:59] gone through a lot of work and now we

[4:01] have a 30% design fit within the VR

[4:03] award. The

[4:05] projects are no longer moving forward

[4:07] the way they are originally planned and

[4:10] street and soccer field still moving but

[4:12] outside funding is going to affect what

[4:14] we ultimately are able to do rest of the

[4:17] projects are continuing to move along

[4:20] slide three

[4:22] projects at a glance this slide is just

[4:24] really a quick snapshot of the whole

[4:27] projects are all in very different

[4:28] phases right now some are moving into

[4:31] construction some are still in design

[4:33] some are programs are already helping

[4:35] businesses and we now have a couple of

[4:38] projects that need to be reworked with

[4:39] the state. It's pretty normal with a

[4:42] program this large, especially when

[4:43] projects take several years from the

[4:45] original application to construction.

[4:48] Slide four, streetscape and soccer

[4:50] fields. For streetscape, we're still

[4:52] waiting on some outside funding we've

[4:54] applied for. Because of that, we've been

[4:56] trying to be very careful about how far

[4:58] we move the design forward. We don't

[5:00] want to pay for design or design

[5:02] something and then turn around and have

[5:04] to redesign it and pay more money. For

[5:07] the soccer fields, the 900,000 NPR grant

[5:10] uh that we applied for earlier this year

[5:12] was not awarded. And I did another

[5:15] $200,000 grant application through the

[5:18] New York program for supplemental

[5:21] funding for soccer. So both projects are

[5:24] still very much alive and we're just

[5:26] trying to make sure the final design

[5:27] matches the money.

[5:30] Slide five and the business assistance

[5:32] fund hotel is still moving forward. A

[5:36] lot of the interior demolition has been

[5:37] done and we continue to stay in contact

[5:39] with the project team as they work

[5:40] through the next steps. The business

[5:42] assistance fund is moving as well. Some

[5:44] of those projects are done, some are

[5:46] construction and some are still working

[5:48] through changing paper. I give you guys

[5:51] updates on each one.

[5:53] There's also a lot going on behind the

[5:54] scenes in both of those, but the

[5:56] important thing is council public.

[6:00] Slide six, comprehensive plan and

[6:02] forbased code. The comprehensive plan

[6:05] and form based code projects are also

[6:06] underway. We have committee in place.

[6:08] The consultants are working and we

[6:10] started the community work that will go

[6:11] into both those documents. This one's a

[6:13] little different from the construction

[6:15] projects because there isn't a building

[6:16] or a park to point to, but it's

[6:19] important because it's going to help

[6:20] guide how grows and development is going

[6:23] to look like and the kind of changes we

[6:24] want to encourage over the next several

[6:26] years. Debor and slide seven. This is

[6:30] [snorts] probably the biggest change to

[6:31] the overall DRI since March. Debor and

[6:35] are no longer moving forward as they

[6:36] were initially awarded. The money

[6:39] doesn't just automatically move

[6:40] somewhere else. We don't get to simply

[6:41] pick.

[6:43] So just make that very clear. So we're

[6:45] working with the Department of State on

[6:46] what happens now. They have a process.

[6:49] So for them on some

[6:52] I bought Park and Cal Theater were two

[6:55] of the original projects on the

[6:56] strategic investment plan. Those are

[6:58] what initially is we think the state is

[7:01] going to move on and ask that those

[7:02] projects be funded first before anything

[7:04] else.

[7:06] But until the state tells us exactly how

[7:07] they want to handle it, I don't want to

[7:09] tell council or the public anything that

[7:11] I don't have complete information.

[7:14] Slide eight, veterans memorial park.

[7:17] For the best part, we now have a 30%

[7:19] design. It fits within the DRR award.

[7:21] The current working number is1,58,696

[7:26] and the DRI award is $1,59,000

[7:30] saving $34.

[7:33] That includes the splash pad, the court

[7:35] work, the reduced bath house work, and

[7:37] the veteran. The F-16 is separate. The

[7:41] aircraft itself, moving it, mounting it,

[7:44] the special foundation, train work, and

[7:46] all other costs tied directly to the

[7:48] aircraft are not being paid with DRRI

[7:50] money. Not being paid with DRRI money.

[7:54] And I want to keep saying this because

[7:55] it matters.

[7:57] This is still a 30% design. We are not

[7:59] approving a construction contract

[8:01] tonight. Slide N. What does 30% mean? I

[8:05] think this is one of the biggest things

[8:07] that has gotten confused during this

[8:08] whole discussion. A 30% design is still

[8:11] and currently designed. A yes vote tells

[8:14] us and tells CNS that this is the

[8:16] direction council wants us to keep

[8:18] working from. It does not approve the

[8:20] old 1.7 million estimate. It does not

[8:23] award a construction contract. Does not

[8:25] pay for an F-16. And it does not mean

[8:27] the project can never change again.

[8:30] There are still final design, state

[8:32] review and bidding. Another round of

[8:34] discussion before anything else is

[8:35] built. Slide 10. Where do we go from

[8:38] here? From here, the different VR

[8:41] projects are going to keep moving on

[8:42] different trends. Some need more design

[8:44] work. Some need state approval. Some are

[8:46] waiting on grant decision. Some are

[8:48] already being built or implemented. My

[8:51] job is to keep all of that moving.

[8:55] It's moving on different tracks.

[8:58] Keep the state and consultants

[9:00] coordinated, keep the council updated,

[9:02] and bring things back when council

[9:03] actually decisions. That's really where

[9:06] we are today.

[9:09] This is the end of my DR updates. I have

[9:11] more slides and I have more things that

[9:13] we'll dig into the whole park, but I

[9:16] think I've given this this council, the

[9:19] city, and the community more than enough

[9:21] information on what actual facts are out

[9:23] there and what has been put out as

[9:25] misinformation. I'm happy to go round

[9:27] and round with this stuff over the next

[9:29] four or five slides, but I think it's in

[9:31] the city's best interest move

[9:40] if um and I didn't know if Luke was

[9:42] gonna get to talk a little bit about um

[9:45] you know I know some of the projects

[9:46] have shifted since we started right and

[9:48] something come out and I had I had um

[9:51] families reach out with um some of the

[9:54] popcornies specifically that we're just

[9:56] concerned about the bathroom and I know

[9:58] we don't have it's not in this project

[10:00] now um that added in the future or if

[10:04] not for this can we think about in

[10:07] beyond the like focusing on just

[10:10] preparing a couple of the total

[10:11] foramilies

[10:13] um the feedback I got from a couple that

[10:15] we have 75 people to have the one potty

[10:19] it just gets really challenging for the

[10:21] players so just specifically the

[10:22] bathroom

[10:22] >> I mean it sounds original might

[10:24] something you guys want to

[10:25] Yeah, [clears throat]

[10:26] >> just to clarify too

[10:30] because there was two distinct elements

[10:33] attached to the plane

[10:35] side and the bath house.

[10:38] >> Right.

[10:38] >> So the original scope of work only had

[10:40] the bath house connected to the pool,

[10:43] not plumbing attached to the bathroom.

[10:46] My original understanding was it was

[10:49] that was incorrect. Not an original

[10:50] bathroom. It was only the bath house. So

[10:54] the original design that we had in

[10:55] discussion with Victor we had targeted

[10:58] design that whole thing part of that was

[11:01] you know we didn't have any turnover the

[11:04] stuff came in we didn't know what was

[11:06] where so when we got the original

[11:09] [clears throat]

[11:10] understand the bath house is the

[11:13] designated

[11:15] rooms is a separate activity

[11:18] >> I think that was

[11:21] Yeah,

[11:31] » if you have any technical questions.

[11:50] » Nice job.

[11:57] All right.

[12:01] » You want to clarify further about the $1.7 million

[12:08] discussion. So that came from our wish

[12:11] list of items back in August when we

[12:13] walked the field. The bathrooms were in

[12:15] there. house. We had everything top

[12:19] shelf that we had designed in that which

[12:20] is where the 1.7 obviously that initial

[12:23] design was not where we needed to be and

[12:26] we had to go back and revise the scope

[12:28] inputs from council as well to say hey

[12:30] got to get back closer to the mark.

[12:31] That's where went back to the drawing

[12:33] board and do the redesign the new 30%

[12:35] design which is what is currently in the

[12:37] packet. So the one that's in the packet

[12:39] currently is the 30% design that was

[12:42] done with the input from council as well

[12:44] as recommendations from engineering team

[12:47] with a firm eye towards the financial

[12:48] considerations. So, it's within scope

[12:51] and cost right now with those

[12:53] considerations all [clears throat]

[12:55] I just wanted to briefly just discuss

[12:57] why that number went up to 1.7 and then

[13:00] why it's back down to 1.05.

[13:04] >> Was there any movement on reaching out

[13:07] to Corman or Chapman for donations

[13:11] or anything like that?

[13:14] >> Well, we emailed them for a discussion.

[13:17] I haven't heard response u but we did

[13:20] reach out to them asking if they had any

[13:22] I know a thing out of Connecticut is

[13:24] where the nonprofit is actually now the

[13:26] families over there but it's out of

[13:28] state but I did reach out with an email

[13:31] asking specifically if there's any

[13:33] interest in continum

[13:38] [clears throat]

[13:46] I think I

[13:47] in June.

[13:48] >> Yeah, the one you sent that was not the

[13:50] link though to the to the application.

[13:52] >> Okay.

[13:53] >> Yeah,

[13:53] >> it was their website.

[13:54] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just their

[13:58] >> I can find the application if you want

[14:00] me to.

[14:00] >> If you have an application like more

[14:02] than happy to look at it apply for any

[14:04] additional funding, you know, we're I

[14:07] think this too just to mention this uh

[14:09] we have grants that we are working on

[14:10] for this as well because we do want

[14:12] additional funding for this. Um those

[14:14] grants come in annual cycles for the

[14:16] So, we don't know exactly what we're

[14:18] going to be getting, but applying for

[14:20] the swims grant, you know, that's

[14:21] essential to this to see how much money

[14:23] we can get. We can get more, we can do

[14:25] more. Same with ao fields. We applied

[14:27] for the kicks grant. Um, and that was

[14:29] again, thank you, Counciloman McHugh.

[14:32] That was actually a really nice

[14:33] suggestion. He was like, "Oh, that that

[14:35] works out great." And when we reached

[14:37] out to our state partners about it, um,

[14:39] Alyssa, who's been great to work with,

[14:41] she really, you know, thumped the table

[14:43] and she's like, "The kicks program,

[14:45] right?" So, I think we might have a

[14:47] little success there. So hopefully

[14:49] there's some more. But we are actively

[14:50] pursuing these grants very aggressively

[14:52] because we want to get as much money as

[14:53] we can. That annual appropriation cycle

[14:57] puts us a little bit behind, but we're

[14:59] hopeful that what we've submitted will

[15:01] come back. So that's where the states

[15:04] where we're standing with the grants

[15:05] right now.

[15:06] >> One more question.

[15:07] >> Yes.

[15:08] >> Um to do some of these projects, do we

[15:10] have to match and put up any money? Does

[15:12] the city have to have money to put up to

[15:14] start construction on any of these once

[15:16] we get them through?

[15:18] >> Not to start construction. We did have a

[15:20] match 20% match originally. The original

[15:23] scope of work specifically called out AR

[15:26] funding before my time whatever happened

[15:30] to it. And so there's no more commitment

[15:31] from the city. You know that being said,

[15:34] you know, we went back and designed it

[15:35] underneath the

[15:38] capture.

[15:43] » Correct.

[15:45] I'm also a couple

[15:54] trying my hardest to try to get that.

[16:08] » That's a great idea, but also we could

[16:10] use some money for

[16:14] So sorry I can get you guys. [laughter]

[16:20] » Any other discussion?

[16:23] >> Mayor.

[16:26] >> Um,

[16:27] >> no.

[16:28] >> With this special meeting, we're trying

[16:29] not to we have public comment today.

[16:31] We're not going to have any.

[16:34] >> Sorry.

[16:37] >> Sandy.

[16:39] >> Oh, all in favor is me. All in favor?

[16:42] No. Any obstensions? Motion pass.

[16:47] >> Item number two, receive and place on

[16:49] file

[16:52] 3.7

[16:54] receive on file observed

[17:02] section 3.7.

[17:07] This is just the rece.

[17:16] » Is there no discussion?

[17:22] » 3.7 of the charter

[17:25] that has to do with a past resolution.

[17:26] That resolution failed.

[17:30] >> So it's it's not the veto authority. The

[17:32] dean explained this to me. She will not

[17:34] be here tonight. Spoke with her this

[17:36] morning.

[17:38] It's a separate authority under 3.7 note

[17:41] authority which is a but

[17:44] >> right back on the agenda for

[17:47] >> I quoted it will be every resolution is

[17:49] passed by the common council and then it

[17:52] goes on to say what they can do which

[17:53] would be put it back on I've got no

[17:55] objection to have it back on just that

[17:58] way the agenda reads citing something

[18:03] >> I'm just I just want you to know I did

[18:06] go through this whole thing resolution

[18:10] on the

[18:12] >> I asked when they brought that up

[18:14] because he said he received legal advice

[18:16] elsewhere and I spoke I spoke to Peter

[18:20] >> oh that's why I asked you had any

[18:23] relevant information to share with us a

[18:25] little bit about it

[18:27] >> just by

[18:30] procedurally you can't

[18:33] >> bounce back something unless I got

[18:35] nothing against reoting on it, but to

[18:38] have a written objection, right?

[18:41] This is just

[18:43] >> Can I ask do you still have the detail

[18:46] power?

[18:47] >> Even though you vote with the council,

[18:49] you have

[18:55] to have the executive legislative branch

[18:59] in the same

[19:01] >> kind of interesting. And I just wonder

[19:02] if maybe that was just when we were um

[19:07] drafting the um referendum and the

[19:09] language when we moved to a city manager

[19:11] form of government, you know what I

[19:12] mean? That maybe this also kind of came

[19:14] up last year with the tax cap override,

[19:16] right? It got to be a hiccup because

[19:18] twothirds of seven is confusing.

[19:20] >> You know, it might be a conversation

[19:22] >> for another

[19:24] [clears throat]

[19:25] topic.

[19:41] Yes.

[19:49] » Item number three, reconsiderations.

[19:54] Approve the budget transfer set forth in

[19:57] resolution 2613

[19:59] originally considered and rejected.

[20:12] motion.

[20:15] >> Any discussion?

[20:17] >> I move to amend the resolution113

[20:21] by changing the set amount to 40,000.

[20:29] » I think it's a good compromise.

[20:31] I think I talked to Kyle.

[20:38] » I just think we're

[20:40] pretty much

[20:42] >> because any unused balances go back into

[20:45] the general fund.

[20:46] >> So we're talking about

[20:49] kids baseball Halloween parties

[20:52] [clears throat] want to cut um

[20:55] everything to do with kids. And I not

[20:58] agreed to that.

[20:59] >> I'm just saying that's those are the

[21:01] you're trying to pick from. Correct.

[21:02] >> And that's the only options that we're

[21:04] given this one.

[21:05] >> It's not our place to pick the lines.

[21:06] We're just trying

[21:07] >> It definitely is your place when you're

[21:08] when you don't do a budget transfer. It

[21:10] is your place to tell us where are we

[21:12] going to take that money to pay for gas

[21:14] first for our

[21:30] You guys

[21:33] can only transfer

[21:36] >> otherwise anybody

[21:39] that's hoping you guys could identify.

[21:42] Is that what she

[21:44] >> So when we the way I understood it was

[21:47] to look at the budget as it is and if

[21:48] there's money available to be moved into

[21:50] that gas line I can move that gas.

[21:54] So

[21:55] >> but I can only do that within the

[21:56] confines of 16. I can't go like water

[21:59] department.

[22:03] » Yeah, I I can't do that. But I can I

[22:06] mean I'm happy

[22:08] transfers.

[22:10] >> I'll sit down with because I identified

[22:13] 60 lines that halfway through the year.

[22:16] Okay. Again

[22:20] though like there are a lot of things

[22:21] that don't get used until the end of the

[22:23] year and like again like put music and

[22:26] vendors in there as well

[22:29] comes up. A lot of these things don't

[22:31] get used till the end of the year and

[22:33] again if we don't use them they go back

[22:34] into the general fund right back where

[22:36] we're trying to take out and again I

[22:38] don't want to have our employees coming

[22:40] back and forth to us saying back for gas

[22:43] because they are going to run out. That

[22:46] [clears throat] question, why did we let

[22:48] the tanks practically get dry within six

[22:51] days of dry?

[22:55] » Again, the tank's not big enough. We

[22:56] talked about that last time, but so if

[22:58] the tank dry all day, it doesn't really

[23:00] matter.

[23:00] >> But I don't think it's okay because we

[23:03] never expected them not to accept this

[23:05] general fund transfer. This is how the

[23:07] government has worked since long as I'

[23:09] been a part of it. Long

[23:11] when there's an emergency.

[23:18] » Hey, excuse me.

[23:27] We at least I council was given no heads

[23:30] up whatsoever.

[23:31] >> That's another great point I was gonna

[23:33] mention. I'm sorry. Um, in December,

[23:36] every department had probably most

[23:38] employees knew they got a fraction of

[23:41] their requested budget. So, conservation

[23:43] on all spending should have been enacted

[23:45] in December.

[23:47] >> Um, and just one other thing I noticed

[23:49] in Le's last month report, 81 of our

[23:52] budget lines were already below 50%

[23:56] halfway through the year. So, this is

[23:59] going to keep happening for the next

[24:00] five months. And the general fund, we

[24:02] know we can't let it drop below. We

[24:04] should let it 15. If it drops below 10,

[24:07] the state's in here.

[24:08] >> If those lines are not used, then we go

[24:10] right back here. So, we're doing good.

[24:12] Again, we're halfway through the year

[24:14] and we're

[24:15] so

[24:17] >> 81 lines are below 50%. There's less

[24:20] than 50% less like I'm talking 30%, 14%.

[24:24] >> Some of those lines might be seasonal.

[24:26] >> Correct.

[24:29] » Or you can try to pick and choose. I

[24:32] would love to have more money from the

[24:34] council.

[24:35] I'll certainly be requesting it. Um but

[24:38] it was a very difficult season last year

[24:39] and gas was up gas is up a dollar year

[24:42] over a dollar year today. Diesel's up

[24:44] almost $2%

[24:52] above what you budget though. I don't

[24:54] think the gasation

[24:57] >> I I agree. I think it's we were beholden

[25:00] to the last council to get to that 5%.

[25:03] >> There was nothing we could do

[25:05] >> essentially whatever they wanted they

[25:07] said this is what you have to do to get

[25:09] us to 5%.

[25:11] [snorts]

[25:12] You're right it is under budget. It

[25:14] should be higher. You know that

[25:16] completely agree with you. You know we

[25:18] are one disaster away from you know all

[25:20] this financial issues with the gas and

[25:22] lo and behold we go to war with the rent

[25:24] you know which I consider to be a

[25:26] disaster. Look what happens. So it

[25:28] definitely impacted us.

[25:31] We did build a cost increase into the

[25:33] last budget before gas and diesel but

[25:36] again that increase was rejected or more

[25:39] lines because we had to get it to a

[25:41] certain percentage working with council.

[25:44] I I think it's a fair compromise just to

[25:46] give you some time to look over the last

[25:52] baref

[26:03] [clears throat]

[26:13] about cutting things like I believe the

[26:15] Christmas extravaganza the Halloween the

[26:17] Halloween party

[26:19] Luke's here I I didn't feel comfortable

[26:21] even with that

[26:24] department

[26:25] >> even the last council kept that

[26:29] >> $100 in

[26:31] our

[26:36] [clears throat]

[26:37] operationally this is really challenging

[26:40] to look at how we do things as a city

[26:42] and that the way we've done things to

[26:44] this point, we've gotten here, so we

[26:47] know something has to be different. And

[26:49] you're an expert on knowing how cities

[26:52] function, how to build these systems and

[26:55] efficiency, you know, all those things.

[26:56] And so I would defer to your expertise

[26:58] to know can we change the way we do

[27:02] things to cut cost. So not concretely

[27:05] cutting out no saying cutting out

[27:07] children's happiness like just so you're

[27:10] creative and you have a lot of

[27:11] experience. So maybe something

[27:12] operationally we can shift.

[27:14] >> Absolutely.

[27:14] >> You know, and I think that's what I'm

[27:16] envisioning here. Not just slashing

[27:17] lines, but is there a way we can do

[27:19] things differently to maybe save some

[27:21] money? That's what I'm thinking.

[27:23] >> Absolutely. And those are the right

[27:24] questions, right? And and looking at our

[27:26] operations and how we do things, the gas

[27:28] savings restriction I put in place last

[27:30] week.

[27:31] >> Did you folks have a chance to look at

[27:32] the tracker that I built in the butt,

[27:35] but

[27:37] every week, every Thursday, I'm going to

[27:38] get a gas report. So, I'm generating so

[27:41] I have a to go with 20% reduction across

[27:43] all my departments. That's a little

[27:45] aggressive, but I want them to get as

[27:47] close to that as possible. You know, if

[27:49] we do that, we'll be way under 40,000.

[27:52] So, that's my goal, right? Even with

[27:55] having compromise and getting some money

[27:56] in place, I will continue to keep the

[27:59] gas restrictions in place to the end of

[28:00] the year, maybe even beyond if we have

[28:02] to, depending on how things are going.

[28:04] [clears throat] Because, and I say this

[28:06] to all my department heads, even if we

[28:08] get money in that line and it's an if, I

[28:10] want to see money put back, right?

[28:11] That's what I want to see and that's my

[28:13] directive to them because if you just

[28:15] spend spend spend down, you have to

[28:17] answer to me why you're doing that. You

[28:19] shouldn't just be spending down just for

[28:20] the sake of it. I I refuse to accept

[28:22] that. You know, I need a justification

[28:24] as to why. So, we're looking at ways

[28:26] that we can push back against a lot of

[28:28] the spending. Um, to council Jill's

[28:31] earlier point, you know, $1.6 million

[28:34] last year was

[28:36] too much too much. This year we're at

[28:39] about 273

[28:40] decay which is over 80% almost 81%

[28:44] reduction in general fund spending that

[28:46] is thanks to the discipline fiscal

[28:48] discipline my department has monitoring

[28:50] everything working with Leanne working

[28:52] Jessica getting all our ducks in a row

[28:54] is a testament to the fact that we

[28:56] recognize the last year is not a

[28:58] sustainable practice we can't rob our

[29:00] savings bank anymore to to kick the hand

[29:03] down the road. Unfortunately, as I think

[29:06] we all understand, we have some tough discussions to have. We got to

[29:10] make some tough decisions. And I think

[29:12] that's just the reality right now. So,

[29:14] um I am more than willing to look at

[29:17] anything and and review anything, look

[29:19] at process improvement, how we can get

[29:21] ourselves much more effective

[29:22] operations. There certainly is a lot we

[29:25] can do right now looking at my DPW

[29:29] that we can do. Um but stuff takes time.

[29:33] It takes time and I think as we begin

[29:35] some of these directives and more

[29:37] austerity measures, we'll see the

[29:39] dividends pay off down the road in five,

[29:41] six months. And again, you know, back to

[29:44] the fuel track, right? 30 days from now,

[29:46] we're going to know if the policy is

[29:48] helping and how much it's helping. So my

[29:51] hope is we continue to go in these

[29:52] directions. So it's not just us saying,

[29:54] "Okay, it's a crisis right now. How do

[29:56] we fix it right now?" It's us saying,

[29:58] "We have a structural issue structural

[30:01] issue. organization. We need to correct

[30:02] it. And it's going to be a multiaceted

[30:05] approach. It's not one thing. It's not

[30:06] just raising taxes. It's not just

[30:08] cutting services. It's not just cutting

[30:10] positions. It's doing all those things

[30:13] in a way that makes sense if it makes

[30:15] sense that provides real benefit back to

[30:18] the state. So, it's a much more holistic

[30:20] approach and that's kind of what I'm

[30:22] looking at. And certainly right now with

[30:24] budget season underway, we're working

[30:25] through a lot of our departments and

[30:27] through those budgets right now to

[30:28] identify what is the absolute need. You

[30:30] know, and last year, yeah, we we were

[30:34] very austere and I think, you know,

[30:35] department heads were, you know, not

[30:37] thrilled, but it's going to be a lot of

[30:39] the same again this year. And I'm just

[30:41] very honest with them. So, and I I say

[30:43] it here and and they hear me out there

[30:45] and it's it's what I tell them every

[30:46] day. So, we have to make these decisions

[30:48] and we have to get a rain on this and

[30:51] keep the spending. You know, again,

[30:53] we're looking at our spending, but next

[30:54] year

[30:56] we can rain in even more. Maybe there's

[30:58] a chance to further go down. So, I am

[31:01] more than willing to engage in those

[31:02] discussions and give my recommendations

[31:04] and suggestions. I've already put out

[31:06] some, you know, feelers and some emails

[31:08] originally with some of my general fund

[31:10] ideas. And I call them my hammock

[31:12] thoughts, right? Something will just

[31:13] come to me and I'm like, "Oh, I got to

[31:14] write that down." share with council. So

[31:16] any of those ideas that I bring up or

[31:18] approaches, if one of those, you know,

[31:20] speaks to you, you're like, "Hey, that's

[31:21] a good idea." By all means, you know,

[31:24] shoot me an email, let me know, "Hey,

[31:25] Kyle, I think you're on to something."

[31:27] And we could flush it out.

[31:28] >> I would say anything.

[31:34] » Definitely begun.

[31:53] All right. So, being here

[31:56] [laughter and snorts] because motion to

[31:58] amend it and it was seconded by

[32:01] >> unfortunately because there's two budget

[32:03] items, you can't just throw out a

[32:06] I have to have the separation

[32:09] propos amendment proposed amendment. Um

[32:12] so you can do the allocated to each one

[32:15] of those right now if that makes sense

[32:18] and then you

[32:20] decide you want to do the amended one

[32:23] then that's a regular vote. If you

[32:26] decide no, we don't want to do the

[32:28] amended one, we're just going to go for

[32:29] it. Then we'll go back to the roll call.

[32:32] So I first I need to know

[32:34] >> how you want to split up the 40,000

[32:36] >> 2020.

[32:38] >> And just for point of clarification, you

[32:40] can transfer between

[32:46] [laughter]

[32:51] » just for everybody's happiness.

[32:52] >> Can I just ask this? voting. I want

[32:58] >> Well, I think everyone kind of gets my

[33:00] opinion again. Um, we are literally just

[33:05] doing things in a circle. If the money

[33:08] we don't spend the money in those lines,

[33:09] they go back in the general fund anyway.

[33:10] Why not just give our employees the gas

[33:12] now instead of having them fight for it?

[33:15] >> I keep asking and I don't know how many

[33:17] times

[33:19] the plan's [clears throat]

[33:23] I don't know about you guys, but I was

[33:24] nervous. had to listen to that thunder

[33:26] Sunday night going off thinking you guys

[33:30] generators the power there's all these

[33:33] old air conditioning

[33:36] >> I'm sorry I would assume that now that

[33:38] Kyle's tracking it he'll know

[33:41] >> right now tomorrow if we leave here

[33:42] tonight the tornado hits we lose power

[33:44] do we have enough gas to keep going

[33:47] >> so we so I'll clarify this

[33:49] >> what if we go to zero in gas and these

[33:52] guys get

[33:54] fire goes out and they don't have enough

[33:56] gas to pull a fire truck out of the

[33:57] housing. What is our plan?

[33:59] >> You got 40,000 given to you and you run

[34:01] out the next day. I think there's bigger

[34:03] problems about

[34:04] >> we're not going to pass another 40,000

[34:05] next day

[34:10] coming up though. It's not like all of a

[34:11] sudden you go through 40,000

[34:14] >> again.

[34:17] So doesn't really matter. You know, we

[34:19] don't have an answer. You got lines in

[34:20] here that are

[34:22] >> we still haven't heard from Luke.

[34:23] >> Adult softball, Halloween party,

[34:25] Halloween extravaganza, right?

[34:27] Playground mulch, youth baseball

[34:29] contracts, concert and entertainment

[34:31] contracts. These are the lines we're

[34:32] trying to pull out.

[34:33] >> You guys want to see that?

[34:35] >> Someone was already canled. That was in

[34:37] the last

[34:37] >> You're corre correct. They didn't have

[34:38] enough people. But that's also a revenue

[34:40] attached to it. So it's a wash

[34:43] >> that we don't

[34:45] >> if we don't. There was a revenue on one

[34:47] side as

[34:50] we didn't have revenue. We didn't have

[34:51] the expenditure. You pull that now. You

[34:54] actually pulled

[34:56] that money didn't exist before.

[34:58] >> We said last meeting we cut this budget

[34:59] to the bone. There is nothing else to

[35:02] cut. So I'm just pointing out there's

[35:04] these things on it. We feel that that

[35:05] can't be cut. That is the bare bones.

[35:08] That's fine.

[35:08] >> But there's a revenue on the other side

[35:10] that offsets it. So it wasn't money we

[35:14] were taking out of general fund to begin

[35:16] with.

[35:17] >> It was money that would have been

[35:18] revenue come in.

[35:21] >> So if you now try to take that expense

[35:25] now

[35:37] [laughter]

[35:38] >> we're just arguing about whether it is

[35:40] 20 or 10.

[35:42] Can we just take a vote?

[35:44] >> So this is voting on the motion to amend

[35:47] the budget transfers from

[35:50] 0912

[35:52] separated 20,000 to each one is going to

[35:56] gasoline 401 and one is going to

[36:02] amendment.

[36:09] » Okay. All in favor?

[36:11] >> I do a roll call.

[36:13] >> Well, this one is this one is on the

[36:25] » council.

[36:27] >> Yes.

[36:28] >> Councelor Ki.

[36:29] >> No.

[36:35] » Yes.

[36:38] >> I mean, no. Oh my gosh. I'm a No. Wait.

[36:42] Holy crap. I'm a no. Yes.

[36:47] >> Oh my god. I'm sorry.

[36:48] >> Are you in favor?

[36:49] >> I'm in favor for

[36:51] so

[37:05] » now.

[37:12] to vote on it as it was 2613

[37:16] to leave it with figures as they are.

[37:20] >> Council,

[37:21] >> no.

[37:22] >> Council,

[37:24] >> yes.

[37:25] >> Councelor Smith,

[37:26] >> yes.

[37:27] >> Council Jones,

[37:28] >> no.

[37:29] >> Council,

[37:30] >> yes,

[37:41] Thank you guys all for coming.

[37:48] » I'm gonna stay for a little bit.

[37:49] Anybody's got questions about they want

[37:51] updates. I'm going to hang out and just

[37:53] talk to anyone.

[38:10] How are you?

[38:14] >> Oh, not much. How are you doing?

[38:23] How are you

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