[0:37] Yeah, this is a sound check. Can you

[0:38] hear us?

[0:40] >> No.

[0:42] >> Yes, I can hear you.

[0:46] >> Thank you.

[1:05] Sarah

[1:07] >> here for

[1:08] >> dinner.

[1:09] >> I'd like to welcome you to our work

[1:11] session of today's city council meeting

[1:13] on May 26th, 2026.

[1:16] And

[1:18] thank you all. I've seen a lot of each

[1:20] other lately the past few days. We've

[1:22] had some great things happen here and

[1:24] it's been good good to see you all and

[1:27] to celebrate

[1:29] uh the dedication of our Gold Star

[1:31] family monument and to reflect our

[1:35] Memorial Day program. So our first item

[1:38] on the agenda is the continued

[1:41] discussion on the short-term rentals of

[1:44] 60 minutes has been allocated uh 30

[1:46] minutes presentation and 30 minutes Q&A.

[1:49] And before I turn the time over to Jake,

[1:53] just want to thank you Jake for for

[1:56] tackling all of this. And um just know

[2:00] that you you've looked at a lot of

[2:01] different options. I know that you don't

[2:04] your your job is to is to present us

[2:07] with a variety of options and you the

[2:10] council consider those and appreciate

[2:14] you taking the time to go ahead and look

[2:16] at those. Some of those options may not

[2:18] be what we vision for the city, but it's

[2:21] not you saying we should do that. It's

[2:23] these are things that these are

[2:25] possibilities and and I appreciate that.

[2:28] And council, I would like to ask that we

[2:31] save our questions until Jake is done

[2:35] with his presentation. I would like to

[2:38] have him have the opportunity to present

[2:40] what he has. And so if you wouldn't mind

[2:43] saving your questions until Jake says

[2:46] he's ready. He's going to facilitate the

[2:49] discussion after and and so if we could

[2:53] do that that would Jeff that would be

[2:56] great. So any questions on that before

[2:59] we get started?

[3:01] All right. Oh

[3:04] those. So all right Jake I'll go ahead

[3:07] and turn the time over to you.

[3:09] >> Thank you mayor. Um, so to pick up where

[3:11] we left off from previous conversations

[3:14] about short-term rentals

[3:17] is

[3:18] a provision that could be included um

[3:22] that would address concerns that have

[3:24] been raised regarding the ability for

[3:28] short-term rentals to be used as a way

[3:30] to

[3:32] um provide student housing in a way that

[3:34] would be

[3:36] in violation of our current student

[3:38] housing ordinance. expenses. And one way

[3:41] we could address that is through

[3:43] requiring a dormant period for

[3:46] short-term rentals. Um the way this is

[3:50] currently written it is that for a

[3:52] period for a monthly period, sorry, for

[3:55] any monthly period, uh short-term rental

[3:58] would have to sit vacant for 5 days.

[4:01] Those five days do not have to be

[4:03] consecutive five days, just five days

[4:07] during the the period of the month.

[4:09] Um, that still allows for an occupancy

[4:12] rate of short-term rentals in excess of

[4:14] 80%.

[4:16] Um, based on what I could research on

[4:19] different uh websites and what I've

[4:21] heard from short-term rental operators

[4:24] is they typically operate between 56%

[4:27] and 70% occupancy. So, by and large,

[4:32] requiring five days that are

[4:34] non-consecutive days should not impact

[4:37] any short-term rental operator uh hugely

[4:41] financially. It may be something they

[4:43] may not like, but it would not

[4:45] necessarily have a large financial

[4:47] impact on a short-term rental operator.

[4:50] Again, this is just a non-consecutive

[4:54] five. I just want to make sure that it's

[4:56] understood.

[5:00] Um,

[5:02] some of the pros again are it helps

[5:06] preserve the housing stock for long-term

[5:08] residents because again, one of the ways

[5:10] you'd want to make sure that short-term

[5:12] rentals aren't being used as a way to

[5:15] provide, you know, student housing. Um,

[5:18] also,

[5:20] um, the negative side to this is it

[5:23] would increase a little bit of

[5:24] complexity about enforcement. It would

[5:26] require short-term uh rental operators

[5:29] to provide uh records of their bookings

[5:32] when they come in for renewal to show

[5:34] that they were in compliance with uh

[5:36] this provision. So again adds a little

[5:38] bit of complexity and that would be the

[5:40] negative on that.

[5:43] Um, another provision that we wanted to

[5:47] present to the council is there has been

[5:51] uh several interi individuals who've

[5:52] come in at personal appearances or

[5:55] who've met with myself um or city

[5:59] council members and have expressed well

[6:01] I thought I was doing everything right.

[6:03] I thought I had done what I was required

[6:05] of me. I came in, I obtained a a

[6:07] license.

[6:09] Um albeit that license was for a rental

[6:11] dwelling license, which is different

[6:13] than a short-term rental license. Um but

[6:16] nonetheless, uh there was a request of

[6:18] is there any sort of provision that

[6:20] could be uh put in place that would aid

[6:23] or help individuals that found

[6:25] themselves in that situation. And what

[6:28] we've crafted here is what we would

[6:31] consider a legacy status of those that

[6:34] could show uh the following uh that they

[6:37] were in prior operation uh prior to

[6:40] January 1st of 2025.

[6:42] Now that date um I picked that date here

[6:45] and that we could subject to obviously

[6:48] the council um but the reason I picked

[6:50] that date was by January 1st of 2025

[6:54] there were already several ongoing

[6:56] discussions and council meetings and

[6:58] work sessions that

[7:01] short-term rentals were prohibited under

[7:04] our land use code. And so it would

[7:08] basically create a clean line between

[7:10] when the council was being educated on

[7:12] what the status of the law was and when

[7:15] people had been operating uh by their

[7:18] perspective in good faith. The second is

[7:21] they could show some sort of

[7:23] documentation that they obtained a valid

[7:26] rental dwelling license from the city

[7:28] prior to January 1st of 2025.

[7:32] Uh the third is that they were in

[7:34] continuous activity that they they can

[7:35] show us that they had listed the

[7:37] property, they had been using the

[7:39] property as a short-term rental on on

[7:42] one of the, you know, platforms out

[7:44] there for the short-term rentals. And

[7:47] fourth, that they were in compliance

[7:50] with the tax provision. So they could

[7:51] provide us documentation showing that

[7:54] they've been paying the transient room

[7:56] tax, sales tax, or any other appropriate

[7:59] tax needed to be Um, what that would

[8:02] allow them to do is potentially have

[8:05] them be exempted from a more ownorous

[8:10] restriction as it came to density

[8:12] requirements. As we've talked about in

[8:14] previous work sessions, we've talked

[8:17] about um short-term rentals being, you

[8:20] know, no closer than 1,000 ft together.

[8:23] And we've talked about potential

[8:25] numerical caps. Um, what you could do is

[8:28] you could have a numerical cap of say 30

[8:32] um or 20 uh short-term rentals.

[8:36] And if um those licenses have been used

[8:39] up, then you wouldn't be issuing any new

[8:41] licenses for non-owner occupied

[8:45] short-term rentals. But what the legacy

[8:47] status would allow is somebody who falls

[8:50] into that category to still obtain their

[8:52] license because they fall into this

[8:55] category over and above those 20 or 30

[8:58] cities. So it provides them an

[9:00] exemption.

[9:01] >> Sorry.

[9:02] >> Yeah, I'm actually I'm okay to answer a

[9:04] couple questions here

[9:06] >> because this is a little bit more

[9:07] nuanced. So what would that number

[9:09] what's the approximate number that

[9:11] potentially could be at that? So there's

[9:12] the 20 or 30 of the non and then what

[9:15] would this for example?

[9:18] >> I don't know that number. Um that number

[9:21] um

[9:22] >> could vary quite a bit.

[9:24] >> Thank you.

[9:24] >> Um because we've never really tracked

[9:27] short-term rentals.

[9:28] >> So but so the scenario you're explaining

[9:31] then you as a council could set density

[9:34] requirements. Those would could be based

[9:37] on this part overruled

[9:41] by including some legacy status people.

[9:44] But you're so you're

[9:47] >> you're saying legacy status is above and

[9:49] beyond not already included in the

[9:52] density.

[9:55] >> So what what this would do is it would

[9:57] provide an exemption to those that can

[9:59] fit within this legacy status. So you you choose prohibition one density

[10:06] or numerical prohibition and then if if

[10:10] individuals if the council were to

[10:11] choose to go this route, if individuals

[10:14] were able to show that they fit within

[10:16] this category, then we would provide

[10:19] them a license even though they would be

[10:22] otherwise restricted.

[10:23] >> So why wouldn't you already include it

[10:25] in the density?

[10:27] Have them be the first level already

[10:28] approved in the density numbers? Part of

[10:31] the reason you would you wouldn't do

[10:33] that is um

[10:36] you're going to have short-term rentals

[10:38] already that are in violation of that

[10:40] density.

[10:42] Um

[10:43] >> and then you just they they lose their

[10:45] legacy. It's just like

[10:47] legal non-conforming. You just lose it

[10:49] once you stop doing it.

[10:51] >> Correct. If they if somebody was to lose

[10:53] their legacy status, they have their

[10:55] license revoked or they failed to renew

[10:57] it or they stop or they sell the home,

[11:01] then they would lose that legacy status.

[11:03] And yes, from then going forward, if

[11:05] there's a density prohibition or

[11:07] numerical cap, they would whoever owned

[11:09] that or if they were trying to reup it,

[11:11] they would not be able to obtain that

[11:12] license again.

[11:15] Um, what it does not provide is it does

[11:18] not provide any land use right. It

[11:20] doesn't create a transferable right nor

[11:23] does it limit the city council's ability

[11:25] to come back and change the program or

[11:27] the requirements of this program. What

[11:30] we are trying to do in essence is

[11:32] provide some sort of uh equity or you

[11:36] know fairness to situations where people

[11:39] feel like you know the city might be

[11:41] pulling the rug out from underneath

[11:43] them. Bren did you have a question?

[11:46] >> Yeah. just that um

[11:49] this uh they'd still have to come up to

[11:51] all other standards that would be

[11:54] identified by by the city. Right.

[11:57] >> Correct.

[11:58] >> I just want to clarify fe since you said

[12:01] you would take questions this with the

[12:04] sale of the property

[12:06] if it's over the cap that is no longer

[12:10] allowed to be a short-term rental. So

[12:12] there's not going to be creating we're

[12:13] not creating a market for legacy status

[12:17] short-term rentals to be sold,

[12:19] >> right,

[12:20] >> in the community. It's if you sell the

[12:22] property, then it's not if the density,

[12:26] whatever it is, it's gone,

[12:28] >> right? Because this license is not a

[12:30] transferable license. None of the

[12:32] short-term rental licenses would be

[12:33] transferable.

[12:35] Okay.

[12:37] Any other questions or desires for me to

[12:41] clarify what this provision may or may

[12:43] not do

[12:44] >> other than the legacy? Would they be

[12:46] also required to pay the same annual

[12:49] fees that everyone else would, which

[12:51] will be quite a bit more than anything

[12:52] we've ever done before to cover the cost

[12:54] of our enforcement and everything else

[12:57] we have to do with them?

[12:58] >> Yes. So, at legacy status, uh,

[13:02] short-term rental operator would still

[13:04] have to annually obtain the short-term

[13:06] rental license. They would have to meet

[13:09] every other regulation on the books for

[13:11] short-term rentals, including the quiet

[13:14] hours, occupancy, parking requirements,

[13:16] all of those other things.

[13:18] Jeff, you

[13:19] >> I'm hold my question till later because

[13:20] it may be answered down the road. So,

[13:23] I'll

[13:27] » have a question. Yes, Jen.

[13:29] >> Um, can you just help me understand the

[13:31] logic of or why the evidence of continue

[13:35] continuous listing on STR?

[13:38] >> Just how are you thinking about that?

[13:41] >> The thinking is we want to make sure

[13:42] that these are individuals that truly

[13:44] were operating as a short-term rental as

[13:47] opposed to an individual who came in,

[13:48] obtained a long-term

[13:51] uh long-term rental license, and now

[13:53] want to convert over to a short-term

[13:55] rental operation.

[13:57] Okay, thank you.

[14:04] » Um, as we talked about, one of the

[14:06] things um, the council had expressed was

[14:11] trying to make this be a sustainable

[14:15] um, program. How do you make it

[14:17] sustainable? What are the costs, the

[14:19] actual costs that this program would

[14:20] call um, the city would incur? Um, how

[14:24] do we fund this type of a program?

[14:27] I work with u staff on management

[14:30] services and we've identified you know

[14:34] potential positions that may be hired

[14:36] need to be hired or expanded and this

[14:39] really kind of depends a little bit on

[14:41] where the council wants to go how how

[14:44] proactive the city council wants the

[14:46] city to go and how expansive the program

[14:49] becomes. If you go non-owner occupied,

[14:52] it's obviously going to be a much more

[14:53] expensive program than if it just stays

[14:55] at owner occupied as as opposed to also

[14:58] a ban. Um, but looking at just the

[15:02] overhead salary cost, a level one NIT

[15:06] officer, the cost of the city would be

[15:08] roughly $65,000.

[15:11] Uh, for an associate planner, the

[15:13] overhead would be $75,000.

[15:16] So, if you were to add one one planner

[15:18] and one officer, and the reason you'd

[15:20] add a planner is to help with the

[15:22] inspection, uh the paperwork, the

[15:25] licensing, all of that's going to fall

[15:27] within community development

[15:29] departments. Um, and then the officer

[15:32] obviously to help with the enforcement,

[15:33] that comes to about $141,000.

[15:37] Um, if you were to add two NIT officers

[15:39] and the planner, you're looking at

[15:40] closer to $210,000.

[15:43] Um, again, it really just depends on how

[15:46] many licenses. You could take that

[15:47] number, divide it by the number of

[15:49] projected licenses and say, well, this

[15:51] is the cost of enforcing and regulating

[15:53] the program, so our fee is going to be

[15:56] X. Um, if you're going to take that 210

[16:00] and you're going to say roughly if we

[16:02] had 250, just even taking the number

[16:04] that's been thrown out there for how

[16:05] many short-term rental uh rental

[16:08] operations are out there, that fee is

[16:11] going to be around the $800.

[16:14] So, it's going to be substantially

[16:15] higher than what you see the comparable

[16:18] cities.

[16:19] Um, so ways that we would try to

[16:21] validate is we would we would pull our ordinance. We'd provide it to uh

[16:28] Lewis Roberts and Birmingham LRB. We'd

[16:30] have them do a fee study. What we'd want

[16:33] to do is again at the roll out point is

[16:36] to pick and say we think this is a fair

[16:38] number, a reasonable fair number to

[16:40] charge initially and then we have LRB

[16:43] move forward and validate it for moving

[16:45] forward in ongoing years for what our

[16:48] fee should be to operate this type of a

[16:50] program. As you can see, um, fees vary

[16:54] quite drastically throughout the loss at

[16:57] Toronto. Um, Lehi being one of the

[17:00] lower, um, at 190 and Logan being 575.

[17:06] Also, something to consider about

[17:07] Logan's is they also have a conditional

[17:09] use permit requirement on over and above

[17:12] his license. So, their fees may want to

[17:16] put an asterisk next to that. They're

[17:17] probably a little bit higher. But then

[17:19] you notice the renewal fee drops off

[17:21] quite drastically for Logan.

[17:24] Um I don't know that that would be

[17:26] appropriate because this is something

[17:27] that we would want to have as an ongoing

[17:30] program. Enforcement is going to be

[17:31] ongoing. It's not just a one-time

[17:34] inspection and everything is fine. Um,

[17:38] another thing to consider here is as we

[17:43] move forward with this type of a program

[17:45] is we want to make sure that any STR

[17:49] that is operating

[17:51] um is correctly identifying the property

[17:53] that is being used with the Utah County

[17:56] Tax Assessor. Um, if, for example,

[18:00] they're living in the ADU portion and

[18:02] the primary residence is being

[18:05] short-term rented, I think it would be

[18:07] appropriate to make sure that that

[18:09] portion of the property is not receiving

[18:12] the primary residence exception under

[18:15] the property taxes. Uh likewise, if it

[18:18] is a whole home rental, again, we want

[18:22] to ensure that that home is being

[18:24] correctly represented on the tax records

[18:27] as as a commercial investment as opposed

[18:30] to a primary residence.

[18:32] um that number gets a little bit, you

[18:35] know, it's not going to necessarily help

[18:39] with the financing the program itself,

[18:41] but it would be something that we'd want

[18:42] to make sure is reflected for all

[18:44] taxpayers and their tax burden.

[18:48] Um,

[18:50] so these are all of the very nuanced

[18:53] provisions that I wanted to go over.

[18:57] at this point

[18:59] wanted to identify the areas of

[19:01] consensus

[19:03] where I believe we have consensus and

[19:05] where we may not have consensus. So I'm

[19:08] going to go back through the

[19:10] presentation

[19:11] and as we have questions feel free to

[19:13] ask the questions as we go. I want to

[19:15] ensure that we have a good bearing on

[19:18] where we want to go.

[19:21] >> Jake,

[19:21] >> yes. for the portion that you presented

[19:23] on. Are questions on that portion

[19:24] appropriate now or do you want

[19:26] >> Yes, absolutely. I'll take any

[19:27] questions.

[19:29] >> Um, can you help me understand uh the um

[19:33] 5day dormcy requirement a little bit

[19:36] more? I just need to understand the

[19:38] logic of why

[19:41] we're worried about student housing

[19:42] there and if we have evidence that

[19:45] that's been done before. Um, that's

[19:49] question number one.

[19:50] >> And I don't have any anecdotal evidence.

[19:52] I can't point you to one property that

[19:54] has been used as student housing. I'm

[19:57] just um sensitive to those homes that

[20:00] are near UDU.

[20:03] Um, and if somebody were to obtain a

[20:05] short-term rental license and then

[20:07] artificially lower the rent um, in such

[20:12] a way because I would say on a nightly

[20:15] basis, I don't think, you know, market

[20:17] markets being what markets are, it would

[20:19] bear out that somebody would want to

[20:21] rent it nightly housing, but if somebody

[20:24] were to artificially lower that uh, so

[20:27] they could then in essence rent it out

[20:29] to six students,

[20:31] um, this would be a way to pre present

[20:33] that prevent that from happening.

[20:36] That is the thinking. There were

[20:38] concerns raised um earlier in the

[20:41] drafting of the ordinance about somebody

[20:43] trying to use this as a way to

[20:45] circumvent our student housing zone, but

[20:48] we don't think that's happened yet. I

[20:50] haven't had any uh particular cases

[20:53] brought to our attention.

[20:55] And it's not really necessarily just

[20:56] student housing. Could be anybody. If

[20:58] we're setting our cap at eight unrelated

[21:00] people occupancy, right now it's three.

[21:03] Somebody could potentially use this as

[21:05] an end of round to say, "Okay, I'm just

[21:07] going to start renting to eight people."

[21:09] Requiring them to have the fiveday

[21:11] vacancies ensures that you can't really

[21:13] do that. It's really truly a short-term

[21:15] rental.

[21:16] >> And how did you come to five days versus

[21:18] two over three or 10?

[21:20] I I was looking at the what I could see

[21:25] doing research uh online as to what the

[21:28] average occupancy rates are for

[21:31] short-term rentals and trying to use the

[21:33] natural occupancy rate that already

[21:36] exists out there so as to not negatively

[21:39] impact short-term rental operators. But

[21:42] 5 days would would in essence prevent

[21:45] somebody from renting long-term but not

[21:48] necessarily financially impact a

[21:50] short-term rental operator.

[21:53] >> Would this be for just non-owner

[21:55] occupied or would it be owner occupied

[21:57] as well?

[21:58] >> This would mean either

[22:01] >> or both.

[22:02] >> Yes.

[22:03] >> Okay. Thank you.

[22:04] Um, what one uh piece of data I would

[22:07] like to get if we can um is that I know platforms like Airbnb have a

[22:15] monthly rental option uh where you can

[22:17] rent for a whole month, right? And that

[22:20] would essentially preclude that option

[22:23] if we did this. And I would just be

[22:24] interested in knowing how many of our

[22:26] STR SDR operators actually use that if

[22:29] it happens. uh if it doesn't happen then

[22:32] and with the occupancy rates you're

[22:33] talking about maybe it doesn't matter to

[22:36] them. Um but I I could imagine a world

[22:40] in which it might matter to them.

[22:45] Thanks for being thoughtful about that.

[22:48] Um a second question is on the other uh

[22:52] piece

[22:54] the leg uh uh yeah the leg sorry the uh

[22:58] no not the legacy status the next one

[23:01] >> code enforcement

[23:03] how did we come up with an estimate that

[23:06] we might need another nit officer and

[23:08] another associate planner I'm trying to

[23:10] figure out how how we do the labor math

[23:12] on that and and you mentioned that we

[23:14] don't have an ordinance so it might be

[23:16] hard to calculate but I'm just curious

[23:18] as to uh the logic behind that.

[23:23] >> Going off of current case load for our

[23:26] NIT officers. If we were to open this

[23:29] regulation, I would anticipate we would

[23:31] need one NIT officer at least

[23:34] uh to build additional phone calls,

[23:37] emails, and compliance uh calls.

[23:42] that just is a natural feel based on

[23:45] talking to our NIT officers as well as

[23:49] um Jennick's team put together as far as

[23:52] case load associate planner um maybe

[23:55] Gary can speak to this but with our

[23:57] licensing I would anticipate this would

[23:59] be an increased uh resource um needed

[24:03] within the community development office.

[24:06] >> It really depends on the direction the

[24:08] council goes. If you

[24:11] have a licensing program with uh

[24:14] short-term rentals and it's short-term

[24:17] rentals alone, if there are annual

[24:20] inspections and things like that,

[24:24] probably wouldn't have NIT that they

[24:27] would be handling the enforcement. I

[24:29] would need a planner in who would help

[24:32] with business licensing to do some of

[24:35] that. Uh so it it depends on the

[24:39] regulations that the council puts on. If

[24:42] it's just get a license and we never

[24:45] think about it again, n then probably

[24:47] not. But if it's let's do inspections,

[24:51] let's have

[24:53] things like that. And if we increase it

[24:57] to doing uh some sort of rental

[25:02] licensing that's a little beyond what

[25:05] we're doing now, then yeah, we'll we'll

[25:09] need somebody. So, it's up to you.

[25:12] >> Okay. If I could just say way before I

[25:15] move on to the question is um as we've

[25:18] talked about different provisions, some

[25:20] of the things that we've talked about

[25:21] here are parking command. We would want

[25:24] somebody in community development if if

[25:26] that was a requirement to put eyes on

[25:28] that parking plan and make sure that it

[25:30] truly is a functioning working parking

[25:32] plan. Um, our ordinance does contemplate

[25:36] inspections. Um, it also contemplates

[25:39] coordination with uh validating or

[25:42] corroborating property records to make

[25:44] sure that they're the owner if we're

[25:46] doing owner occupy. So, I think there

[25:48] really would be a pull on community

[25:51] development to have an associate planner

[25:54] there to put eyes on those. And if I may

[25:58] add to that, Jake, I mean, this isn't

[26:02] complete without some president. When we

[26:04] did our landlord licensing process

[26:08] for many years ago, we added a couple of

[26:11] personnel.

[26:12] Now, I'd also say we're not trying to

[26:16] suggest this is going to be locked in,

[26:18] >> right? Like we'll we always do we'll

[26:21] evaluate

[26:23] the process the process and we'll map it

[26:26] out and we'll and there are software

[26:29] solutions that help with that. Of

[26:31] course, we'll we'll look at that. you

[26:33] know, maybe it maybe it's hiring two

[26:36] seasonal NIT code enforcement instead of

[26:40] one full, you know, we'll we'll go

[26:42] through that detail assessment and we'll

[26:44] uh we'll lean on LRB to help make sure

[26:48] that there is a rational nexus between

[26:51] the cost and the fees.

[26:53] >> That's good. The the thing that I was

[26:54] trying to figure out in my head is how

[26:56] much of this is already happening within

[26:58] it, right? in versus how much burden are

[27:00] we now expecting put on that is not

[27:03] being done right now.

[27:05] >> So that

[27:06] >> for us too there are some unknowns there

[27:09] but also we're trying to anticipate

[27:12] there could be some efficiencies gained

[27:14] in if if what is decided by the council

[27:17] on the short-term rentals affects how we

[27:20] license long-term rentals as well. And

[27:23] so there there could be some joint work

[27:26] in that regard. And so then some of the

[27:29] costs could be spread across both of

[27:32] those fee revenues in in that event.

[27:35] >> I think that I appreciate this. I think

[27:38] one of the uh concerns that I've heard

[27:40] from the community is that if we did do

[27:42] short-term rentals that we don't have

[27:45] currently have the bandwidth to do the

[27:47] level of enforcement or license or

[27:50] regulation.

[27:51] This is a very regulatory intense

[27:55] process, especially if if the council

[27:58] adopts something involving the legacy

[28:01] because at that front end, you're going

[28:03] to have a lot of people coming in trying

[28:06] to provide information to show that they

[28:08] are that they were in in existence

[28:11] before. And then going forward, you are

[28:15] going to have a lot of a lot of

[28:18] regulatory work. And I think that it's

[28:21] important to have that regulatory work.

[28:24] I also think that it's important that

[28:27] those who have short-term rentals bear

[28:30] the financial burden of having that

[28:34] regulatory work because

[28:37] they're they're the ones who are have

[28:40] that's that's the use that has created

[28:41] this extra workload and I think that

[28:44] they need to they need to uh pay for

[28:47] that.

[28:49] Jeff,

[28:49] >> and I have a one of my questions that would attach to that is so with the

[28:57] um

[29:00] would those who have enforcement

[29:03] infractions,

[29:06] obviously they're going to pay for those

[29:08] infractions, right? So would that be

[29:10] taken into account for the upfront? We

[29:12] don't know what that's going to be,

[29:13] right? We hope that there in a perfect

[29:15] world there would be no infractions.

[29:18] Um, so would that just be I guess my

[29:22] question is

[29:24] that money would not focus on the

[29:27] upfront cost. That would just be

[29:30] additional for continued enforcement

[29:33] above and beyond what we're already

[29:34] planning on.

[29:35] >> I think you'd also have to identify that

[29:37] there's going to be other added costs by

[29:40] the enforcement itself. the minute that

[29:43] we site somebody and then we end up

[29:45] going to the ALJ, we're also paying for

[29:47] an administrative law judge to hear that

[29:49] case. And so those those fees that we

[29:55] collect through the ALJ don't

[29:57] necessarily always cover the cost of the

[29:59] ALJ process itself.

[30:01] >> And and I guess that was the the next

[30:03] step of that question. So these fees

[30:05] would then cover the other outward

[30:08] ripples, right, from that enforcement

[30:10] for the infraction,

[30:12] >> correct? Okay. Can I ask another

[30:14] question going back to the two-tier

[30:16] regulation?

[30:18] Um, what about the case of a an heir? If

[30:22] a mother and father will that home to a

[30:25] child,

[30:27] would that be transferable?

[30:30] >> Not currently as as I have it drafted.

[30:32] Um, again, if the council were wanting

[30:34] to go that direction, but I would again

[30:38] I would define it as any transfer of the

[30:41] property that there is no transference

[30:44] of that right that that new owner

[30:46] whether it be an heir or a new buyer has

[30:49] to come in and apply for that license

[30:52] separately as themselves.

[30:55] >> But then if the new buyer comes in Oh,

[30:59] never mind. That's you're talking about

[31:00] if it wasn't a short-term rental to

[31:01] begin with. No, I'm talking about if it

[31:03] was a short-term rental.

[31:03] >> Short-term rental, then the new buyer

[31:05] just gets put into the probably the

[31:07] bottom of the the list and then as as

[31:10] licenses, they don't get any preference

[31:13] because

[31:14] of of the legacy status

[31:16] >> along those lines. What if the home is

[31:18] in a trust?

[31:19] >> So, we we account for that currently

[31:22] um in our definition of an owner. Um if

[31:26] you are

[31:29] beneficiary

[31:30] trust um and you have 51%

[31:35] um interest in that trust then you could

[31:38] count as an owner.

[31:43] » Whoa. Hold on a minute. Back up the

[31:45] truck.

[31:48] >> Because oftenimes people will put their

[31:50] property in the trust.

[31:52] Um,

[31:53] >> so then we've totally lost our licensing

[31:55] ability because it is now a financial it

[31:57] is now a business venture that can be

[31:59] willed and transferred through a trust.

[32:02] So we we have lost our our licensing

[32:05] ability

[32:06] >> at the time the the license is created.

[32:09] If it isn't a trust and it's in their

[32:11] name it's tied to the person that's the

[32:13] trustee.

[32:16] So

[32:18] I'm

[32:20] >> you have multiple trustees. You're

[32:21] saying if one trustee has 51%

[32:29] » they come back to our definition of

[32:32] here. So this is

[32:36] >> so they would have to at the time they

[32:38] obtain their license they would have to

[32:41] show that property is in a trust and

[32:44] that they have over 50% interest in that

[32:47] trust.

[32:50] as the beneficiary.

[32:52] >> As the beneficiary

[32:53] >> want to pay multiple beneficiaries and

[32:54] together they make 50%. Does it have to

[32:57] be a single beneficiary?

[32:58] >> Has to be a single beneficiary.

[33:02] >> Rightart. Sorry.

[33:08] » Well, is that a loophole?

[33:09] >> I don't believe so. We use that

[33:12] definition elsewhere.

[33:14] So,

[33:16] >> well, but we're establishing a financial

[33:19] venture in perpetuity.

[33:21] >> No, we are not.

[33:23] >> If if How are we not?

[33:26] >> So, you want to

[33:28] >> Yeah, I actually think this is a really

[33:29] good question because

[33:31] >> the other person there.

[33:33] >> Yes. I mean let's take a typical

[33:34] situation where you maybe have a family

[33:36] trust let's say and you know uh two

[33:38] parents mother and father you know they

[33:40] set up a trust and usually they're the

[33:42] beneficiaries until they die and then

[33:44] you know the kids become the

[33:46] beneficiaries and sometimes those trusts

[33:47] can keep operating even after the

[33:50] initial beneficiaries die right I think

[33:52] that's the situation you're kind of

[33:54] talking about that that trust continued

[33:56] to you know run an Airbnb short-term

[33:59] rental um even after the the two

[34:02] principles have passed on. That's the

[34:04] question. Maybe we need to just better

[34:06] define in that scenario um that even if

[34:09] the trust is still in existence, if the

[34:12] primary beneficiaries or the original

[34:13] beneficiaries have passed on, then that

[34:16] right is lost. It doesn't the trust

[34:18] doesn't get to continue operating. I'd

[34:19] >> be comfortable with that.

[34:20] >> That would be an option. I'm not saying

[34:22] do that. I'm just saying that's an

[34:23] option. So

[34:24] >> preferred

[34:26] >> other otherwise everybody just puts them

[34:27] in a trust and then you have all these

[34:30] homes that are in trust and we can't

[34:31] regulate.

[34:32] >> We're stuck.

[34:33] >> It could last for a long time.

[34:35] >> Every time they change beneficiaries

[34:36] with that they're rental license then.

[34:40] >> Well,

[34:41] >> I mean that that's something we could we

[34:43] could address it that way if we wanted

[34:44] to. assess.

[34:46] >> Okay.

[34:48] >> I know a community that they required

[34:51] you to be the trust and the beneficiary.

[34:55] So for instance, my wife and I if we

[34:57] wanted to do this, we would create the

[35:00] McIn family trust. We would both be

[35:02] trusts because we own the home and we

[35:05] would be beneficiaries of that trust for

[35:08] estate planning purposes. my children,

[35:11] they may be beneficiaries, but they

[35:13] would not be the trust.

[35:16] And so, you have to fill both roles. So,

[35:18] there's ways around this to make it work

[35:22] if that's a concern.

[35:27] » That's concern for me. I don't know. Is

[35:29] it a concern for folks? I think having

[35:32] good language would makes it less

[35:34] concerning. Yes. Any

[35:39] other questions? As

[35:40] >> some questions. Will you go to your fees

[35:43] um slide?

[35:46] >> Um so NIT officers. So that's got to be

[35:51] just salary. That's not including

[35:53] benefits.

[35:54] >> That that is

[35:56] >> I feel like we need to cost of an

[35:58] employee.

[36:00] >> That is the overhead

[36:02] or salary and benefit for starting an IT

[36:05] officer. want.

[36:08] >> So that's pay and benefits, right? So

[36:11] >> pay them 20 25 bucks an hour and then

[36:14] they're bene they don't have they're not

[36:16] a they're not a postcertified police

[36:19] officer. They don't have the same

[36:21] retirement. So

[36:25] » that seems super low.

[36:29] >> That is what our

[36:31] these are the numbers I I obtained from

[36:33] our

[36:34] team. So, yes,

[36:37] >> I I think the point is that I think

[36:39] we're going to look at have LRB do an

[36:40] analysis because we don't know if it's

[36:42] really going to take full-time people or

[36:44] if it's going to be a third or half time

[36:45] or whatever. They'll do that analysis.

[36:47] They'll take the numbers. So, the these

[36:49] aren't set in stone.

[36:50] >> So, okay,

[36:51] >> what what I'm trying to show by these

[36:53] numbers is potential costs. So if my

[36:56] benefits for my salary are three times

[36:59] if I end up with three times what my

[37:01] original salary is, how is what is what

[37:04] is their salary only?

[37:07] >> I would look it up for you, but I don't

[37:08] want to necessarily go into it. Why am I

[37:10] sharing my screen?

[37:12] It's

[37:13] >> I mean you see my question here.

[37:15] >> I'm really

[37:15] >> number I'm presenting here is both

[37:17] salary and benefits. And for the

[37:19] planner, I can tell you that's

[37:23] that looks right to me as a planner one

[37:25] step one very

[37:28] entry level adding their benefits.

[37:31] usually are close to a third.

[37:34] >> So I get it. So maybe we should do a

[37:37] five-year employee,

[37:39] >> someone who because you know I guess

[37:41] you're saying we put people here and

[37:42] then as they approve themselves they

[37:45] advance

[37:46] >> and we can raise the fee.

[37:47] >> Yeah. too, I think. But yeah, you're

[37:49] that's a good point.

[37:50] >> We need just need to make sure it

[37:52] reflects what we're paying

[37:53] >> using averages. Should we use an average

[37:57] >> cost? I was just going to say for fire

[37:59] prevention fees, we adjust the cost

[38:02] every single year based off the

[38:04] increased scale with the step program

[38:06] with our inspector.

[38:07] >> Oh, okay. So, it's something.

[38:09] >> So, as long as that's transparent for

[38:10] these licenses, I'm I just want to be I

[38:13] just don't want them to think that, you

[38:15] know, oh, the fee jumped up 20%. Well,

[38:18] because our employees now worth more and

[38:20] they're paying them more.

[38:23] >> And again, yeah, this is just a starting

[38:25] point. We'll want to go through and make

[38:27] sure that we're doing it in the most

[38:29] efficient and effective way, too. It it

[38:31] may be that it's best to get a few

[38:36] seasonal or part-time code enforcement

[38:39] rather than one full-time, right? We may

[38:42] be able to get a little more done that

[38:43] way. We just haven't done that analysis

[38:46] yet.

[38:47] >> Right.

[38:48] >> Well, again, what I was trying to prove

[38:50] and I guess not

[38:52] >> have done very well here is

[38:54] >> even at entry level with two individuals

[38:56] or three individuals, that fee that we

[39:00] would impose on a short-term rental is

[39:03] going to be substantially higher than

[39:05] the comparable fees.

[39:07] >> That was what I wanted to show.

[39:08] >> Perfect. and my other question. So, just

[39:10] to clarify because I've had these

[39:11] questions, um, this fee, even though our

[39:15] NIT is under our police, this will not

[39:18] be coming out of our public safety

[39:21] fund. This will be paid under what fund?

[39:24] Fellow services. How are we paying this?

[39:26] >> If I mean, obviously, the associate

[39:28] planner would come out of uh general

[39:31] fund there and it I'm not sure what

[39:34] bucket of money that is that also

[39:36] general fund.

[39:38] We put the code enforcement officer uh

[39:40] under police and so that would be paid

[39:43] for through the special revenue public

[39:46] safety special revenue fund but the

[39:48] revenue source

[39:50] >> but we'll have the transparency showing

[39:51] that they are paying themselves. Yes,

[39:54] that's just the question I

[39:57] >> would identify the revenue source would

[39:59] be this fee this short-term this

[40:02] landlord licensing fee. Then your legacy

[40:05] status. Go to that slide please for me.

[40:08] So valid where was the valid renting

[40:11] license

[40:13] show that they already had a valid

[40:15] >> documentation. Number two documentation

[40:17] of a valid city of warm rental dwelling

[40:20] license.

[40:20] >> Okay. So is that different from being

[40:23] certified as an ADU?

[40:26] >> Uh it is an ADU license is or an ADU um

[40:32] what do we call it? license for ADU or

[40:33] ADU approval is very different than the

[40:35] rental dwelling license.

[40:37] >> Kind of talk about those two just so

[40:38] we're informing our public here. You can

[40:40] have an ADU and not have a long-term

[40:42] rental license because we charge a

[40:44] onetime fee. You just explain how that

[40:47] works. So on the record for that

[40:50] >> Gary, would you explain the process

[40:52] because I'm not as familiar with the ADU

[40:54] licensing process. Yeah, with the ADU

[40:58] process, you come in and

[41:01] uh let's say you're the single family

[41:06] home. You live there, you want to create

[41:08] an ADU

[41:10] uh in your home. Um you come in, you

[41:13] make an application, we go in and and we

[41:16] have requirements in the code that that

[41:20] ADU needs needs to meet. We'll go in,

[41:23] we'll do a zoning review of it, we do a

[41:26] building code uh review of it, and then

[41:30] at the end of that process, you can get

[41:34] an uh license and it's a license ADU and

[41:38] but the intent of it is not for

[41:40] short-term rentals less than 30 days.

[41:43] It's 30 days or longer is

[41:46] >> so when um

[41:49] >> I was just saying but that license is

[41:51] different. That is just the permission

[41:52] to establish the property to dwellings,

[41:56] >> but then they pay a rental license every

[41:59] year.

[42:00] >> Correct.

[42:00] >> So, um,

[42:02] >> that's our land license that's 30 days

[42:05] long.

[42:05] >> But is that, help me remember, is that

[42:08] for the basement ADUs or did we pass

[42:11] something where they only pay that once?

[42:13] >> Correct. Correct.

[42:14] >> So, we need to change that then.

[42:17] I suppose if they've been switch it to a

[42:20] short-term rental.

[42:22] >> So, how are they showing that they

[42:25] >> it's owner occupied?

[42:26] >> How how how are the owner occupied? How

[42:28] are you going to delineate them? Because

[42:30] they um haven't paid every year. They

[42:33] don't they're not going to be able to

[42:34] document. They're going to document.

[42:36] >> What we are requiring here is not the

[42:38] ADU license. We are requiring the rental

[42:41] dwelling license.

[42:42] >> Okay. Perfect.

[42:44] So, if it's an owner occupied and

[42:46] they're using their ADU, they should

[42:49] have obtained

[42:52] a rolling license. Okay. Thank you for

[42:53] clarifying that.

[42:54] >> What you know, three years old since

[42:57] >> Uhhuh. But they didn't.

[43:01] >> Well, oh, go. Oh, I'm sorry.

[43:03] >> Wait a minute. So, um, do we not require

[43:06] rental licenses to be renewed early?

[43:08] >> We do. We require I

[43:11] >> not if it's a

[43:12] >> you're the loophole is what I'm trying

[43:13] to say.

[43:14] >> Not if the owner occupied any but the if

[43:16] you're rent if you're renting the whole

[43:18] home it is an annual $55 rental dwelling

[43:22] license.

[43:22] >> So but in this

[43:24] they would still be a they they should

[43:26] still be able to meet one three and

[43:28] four.

[43:30] >> I would anticipate they still even if

[43:31] they're renting the basement they still

[43:33] should be able to meet 1 2 3 and four.

[43:36] >> Okay. So I guess I'm thinking out loud

[43:37] here. will fix that problem with the ADU

[43:39] not having to get a rental license every

[43:41] year by

[43:43] them having to prove that they were a

[43:45] short-term rental because they're going

[43:46] to be doing 1, three, and four,

[43:48] providing documentation for 1, three,

[43:50] and four. If

[43:53] >> then I'm going to clarify this. If they

[43:57] are operating or had operated as a

[43:59] short-term rental prior to January 1st,

[44:02] 2025

[44:03] for them to get a legacy status, they

[44:06] would have to show all one, two, three,

[44:08] and four regardless if it was a home

[44:10] whole home. Okay.

[44:12] >> Or if it was a basement.

[44:15] >> Yeah. So they have to meet all four.

[44:17] >> And my last thing is um

[44:21] So, this you started off by saying, you

[44:24] know, this is for the people that said,

[44:26] "I thought I was doing everything

[44:28] right."

[44:30] Um, the fairness

[44:34] uh status regulation is what this one is

[44:37] basically. So, I guess I'm just going to

[44:40] make a comment. I think that people

[44:42] living in the neighborhood, buying a

[44:44] home in a neighborhood that they thought

[44:47] was homes

[44:49] residential, not commercial enterprises,

[44:52] also thought they were doing everything

[44:54] right, buying their home in the right

[44:56] place. And I'm just thinking of the

[44:59] woman who said she has short-term

[45:00] rentals on both sides of her, you know.

[45:02] So, this will essentially or and the

[45:04] other woman who said she had three on

[45:06] her street. So, this essentially gives

[45:08] no relief to those people

[45:12] because we're we are grandfathering them

[45:14] in.

[45:15] >> Well, no, we are not grandfathering them

[45:17] in. There is no uh legal non-conforming

[45:20] right here. So it's not a grandfather.

[45:23] This would be providing an exemption to

[45:26] if you were to go to the non owner

[45:30] occupied option.

[45:32] And this would only grant an exemption

[45:34] to density and the numerical cap.

[45:37] It doesn't and that's also assuming that

[45:40] all three of those on that one street

[45:42] also had come in and reoptained a rental

[45:44] dwelling license. Um, so there there are

[45:48] ways that this still is curbing or

[45:51] pausing the growth of short-term rentals

[45:53] that are non-owner occupied while also

[45:56] giving olive branch or or mercy to those

[46:00] who thought that they were offering or

[46:02] operating uh lawfully.

[46:05] >> So what we could do too, I know we've

[46:07] talked about this before. I think I

[46:09] think it was when we met. I think it was

[46:10] I think Lenate was when you and Jake and

[46:12] I met. And I can't remember who which

[46:14] council member it was, but I'm going to

[46:17] tweak this a little bit. So, we could do

[46:20] as a council say since we don't know how

[46:22] many legacy rentals there are, but if we

[46:25] set a cap of let's say 20, we're just

[46:30] going to have 20 non-owner occupied

[46:35] rentals in the city, short-term rentals.

[46:38] Then there are ways or vehicles. We

[46:40] talked about a lottery. He talked about

[46:42] how those who maybe those who meet one

[46:45] through four put their name in a hat and then we it's so it's not a it

[46:54] doesn't have to be everybody necessarily

[46:57] but it doesn't have to be nobody. It's

[46:59] we we as a council can decide what we

[47:04] comfortable with on a non-owner occupied

[47:07] and density could also be taken into

[47:09] that consideration. location.

[47:11] >> Location. Yeah.

[47:13] >> So, Jen, I'm gonna just ask because

[47:15] Jen's not here in person. Do you have

[47:17] any questions?

[47:21] » Uh, thank you for that. No, I don't

[47:23] currently have questions. I'm just

[47:24] listening to the discussion. Thank you.

[47:26] >> Okay. Um, can I just Is there anybody

[47:29] else have questions so far about what

[47:32] new information Jake has presented to us

[47:35] today before he goes back? He's got got

[47:37] what about 12 minutes? 15. You know

[47:39] what? Sorry late got about 15 minutes

[47:42] left. I know you want to go back through

[47:43] the slides and try and reach some

[47:45] consensus on some issues.

[47:48] >> Okay,

[47:49] >> with that um I I'm going to give my

[47:53] perspective here and put myself out on

[47:55] the ledge as your trail guide. So don't

[47:58] push me over the ledge.

[48:02] But I view

[48:05] um the council as being in three very

[48:08] distinct camps. Um I feel that there are

[48:12] council members that are in camp one

[48:15] which is uh to maintain a prohibition or

[48:18] to clarify that prohibition. I feel that

[48:21] there's a second camp that is in the

[48:23] middle that feels very comfortable in

[48:25] allowing owner occupied short-term

[48:27] rentals. And then I feel that there's a

[48:29] third camp which is more open to a broad

[48:32] regulation allowing non-owner occupied

[48:35] and owner occupied. Um I don't believe

[48:39] that any one camp has a majority or

[48:42] consensus approach at this point. Is

[48:45] that does anybody disagree with that

[48:47] statement? Okay. Where there is no

[48:51] objection or disagreement. Um I do

[48:55] believe that this is the foundational

[48:56] question that has to be resolved because

[48:59] I think the other questions that are

[49:03] there will answer themselves as we move

[49:07] past that foundational question. Um I do

[49:10] believe that there is consensus as to

[49:13] qualitative controls, quiet hours, 24 uh

[49:18] 247 response requirements, enforcement

[49:21] mechanisms. There may be small

[49:23] discrepancies as to how much a fine

[49:25] should be if it's not high enough. There

[49:28] may be some smaller discrepancies in how

[49:30] we approach parking or or density. But I

[49:34] think this is the number one question

[49:37] and I think the other number two

[49:38] question is how do we address occupancy

[49:42] within whichever road you take.

[49:46] Um,

[49:48] with that being said, I am happy to come

[49:51] back to the council at a council meeting

[49:54] with competing ordinances

[49:58] um, if that is the desire of the council

[50:00] to move forward. I'm happy to work with

[50:03] council members to craft a compromise

[50:07] ordinance if that is the approach. I do

[50:10] view and again this is me standing on

[50:13] the ledge

[50:15] um I do believe that there is potential

[50:19] consensus in the area of owner occupied.

[50:24] I do believe that there is willingness

[50:26] to compromise amongst council members to

[50:29] get to an ownero occupied regulation.

[50:33] There may be a group of council members

[50:36] that are willing to expand beyond owner

[50:39] occupied to allow a limited version of

[50:42] non-owner occupied and owner occupied.

[50:46] Is that a fair statement? Is there any

[50:49] objections to what I've just laid out?

[50:54] >> So, are you asked two things there?

[50:56] >> Okay, let me ask let me ask them as as

[50:58] separate questions. Is there

[51:01] a group of council members who would

[51:04] want to see owner owner occupied only

[51:08] version of an ordinance?

[51:12] Yes,

[51:13] >> it would depend on how big the opt

[51:16] option. How many would I am firmly in

[51:19] option two

[51:21] and I'm looking over at option three but

[51:24] with a very like

[51:27] 20 at the moment just very very limited

[51:30] baby steps. Let's let's go a tiny bit.

[51:33] >> If I is there willingness of the council

[51:35] to come back for me with an only only

[51:39] owner occupied ordinance?

[51:42] >> I'm in favor of that.

[51:43] >> So if I could just maybe just Chris, how

[51:45] do you feel about that?

[51:46] >> No, I'm I'm leaning towards very limited

[51:51] but allowing some of the other.

[51:53] >> Okay, Crystal, you I believe shook your

[51:55] head. Yes. Affirmative. L same. Yeah,

[51:59] >> mayor

[52:00] >> probably would

[52:02] probably lean toward the owner occupied

[52:04] only.

[52:04] >> Okay, Jeff,

[52:06] >> uh leaning towards owner occupied, but I

[52:08] would be willing to listen to the

[52:11] discussion about a little bit of wiggle

[52:14] room. Okay. And Quinn, as to owner

[52:17] occupied only,

[52:18] >> um I'm interested in um an ordinance

[52:23] that allows limited numbers of non-owner

[52:26] occupied if we meet certain criteria.

[52:28] >> Okay.

[52:29] >> Jen puts Jen is

[52:32] >> Yeah. I'm also interested in looking at

[52:35] the third option within limited

[52:36] criteria.

[52:39] With that said,

[52:42] is it the council's desire for me to

[52:44] come back at a council meeting with

[52:46] those two competing ordinances

[52:50] for consideration?

[52:52] >> I would like a vote on option one,

[52:54] council to vote on option one also

[52:57] >> on pro from the prohibition.

[53:00] >> Oh, on a flat. Okay. You you would like

[53:02] to ask the same question but just saying

[53:05] is anybody in favor of option one?

[53:07] Correct.

[53:07] >> Okay. Okay. Let's

[53:10] >> So, so those two the council would be

[53:12] wanting me to do that. Okay. With that,

[53:15] >> is there any council members that want

[53:17] me to bring forward a prohibition

[53:20] ordinance to compete with the other two?

[53:24] >> Um, again, I'll just go through the

[53:27] list. Chris,

[53:28] >> no.

[53:28] >> Yes. Yes. No.

[53:31] >> No. No.

[53:33] >> Jen,

[53:34] >> no.

[53:36] Um

[53:38] so where there's not full I'm I don't

[53:41] anticipate bringing that forward. Um and

[53:44] just coming with the two competing or

[53:48] does how does the group feel about just

[53:50] those two

[53:52] I'm seeing some shaking heads. I'm

[53:54] seeing

[53:56] >> I want to see what you bring.

[53:57] >> I'm in favor of that. I'm in favor of

[53:58] med

[53:59] >> Yeah. We're going to get both. Okay.

[54:02] with that process. Um, how am I on time?

[54:06] >> Got 10 minutes.

[54:07] >> Um,

[54:08] with that process,

[54:11] um, is it still the council's desire to

[54:15] have a public hearing with,

[54:18] well, actually, let me take one step

[54:19] back. Do you want that conversation to

[54:22] take place in a work session or you want

[54:24] that conversation to take place in the

[54:26] regular council meeting?

[54:28] I think we'll get more done in a work

[54:30] session.

[54:32] Okay, Quinn. Jeff, I agree with that.

[54:35] >> I think we're just I think we need to

[54:37] get a few more things ironed out before

[54:39] we go to the public because I do want

[54:41] the public to weigh in.

[54:42] >> Okay,

[54:43] >> yeah, I'd like to see the We've just,

[54:46] you know, talked about all kinds of

[54:48] things. Let's let's funnel it down and

[54:50] get specific.

[54:52] >> You feel the same?

[54:53] >> I' I'd like to see I'd like to have more

[54:55] discussion in the work session, but I

[54:56] would also like to be in council session

[55:00] before

[55:01] Yeah, two of them. Yeah,

[55:03] >> Chris, agreed.

[55:06] Jan,

[55:07] >> yeah, I think we need more discussion

[55:08] and I think the work session is probably

[55:10] more productive.

[55:11] >> Okay,

[55:14] so um with that said, when would the

[55:17] council like me to come back with those

[55:20] two competing ordinances to be

[55:21] considered in the work session?

[55:25] When could you

[55:27] >> when is our next work session?

[55:30] >> It's not the It's not the 9th because

[55:34] that's that's our budget and draft and

[55:36] warmfest. So

[55:40] >> 23rd

[55:44] » be June 23rd.

[55:44] >> June 23rd next

[55:46] >> June 23rd.

[55:48] >> Is that enough time on

[55:50] >> that calendar? Okay.

[55:52] >> To make the 23rd happen.

[55:56] » Can I make one request? I would like to

[55:58] get your slides a week before.

[56:01] >> I would like to get the ordinance drafts

[56:03] to both for both out to the councils for

[56:06] consideration well before

[56:08] >> at least eight days. I need like I

[56:12] weekend or something. It's really hard

[56:13] to prep for council

[56:16] unless I'm working on my weekends.

[56:19] So will your ordinance draft include

[56:22] the in one of the or both of the

[56:24] ordinances as far as occupancy a square

[56:26] footage?

[56:28] >> Yes.

[56:28] >> Option.

[56:29] >> Yes.

[56:30] >> Okay.

[56:35] » Is there so um where I've got just a few

[56:39] minutes.

[56:40] I want to clarify

[56:43] each proposed ordinance just briefly

[56:47] for owner occupied.

[56:49] Is there anything

[56:51] in particular that the council is

[56:52] looking for in an owner occupied only

[56:56] regulation that they would like to see

[56:58] that has been discussed or has not been

[57:00] discussed?

[57:04] » Of those provisions that we've talked

[57:06] about is there something

[57:06] >> ADU make it require an ADU? Is there is

[57:09] there any strong feelings that you want

[57:12] to make sure is is included?

[57:14] >> I would like to see

[57:17] that

[57:19] Oliver must be in residence when the

[57:22] short-term rental is being rented out.

[57:27] So maybe it's owner occupied, but

[57:28] they're traveling a lot of the year or

[57:30] whatever. date.

[57:33] >> So, you want a you want an owner, you

[57:34] want a phys the physical presence of

[57:36] somebody upstairs or downstairs or

[57:37] wherever on the property

[57:40] >> available if there's a problem

[57:41] basically.

[57:43] >> I'd like it to be um a certified ADU.

[57:47] So, not a boarding house model, anything

[57:50] to not have a boarding house model.

[57:54] So, you'd have to have an ADU

[57:58] permit plus a short license

[58:05] for

[58:07] the other competing ordinance. Um, as

[58:11] some council members have expressed,

[58:13] they are open to it, but with extreme

[58:15] guard rails. What are those extreme

[58:16] guard rails that council members are

[58:20] looking for for the competing orders?

[58:22] Maximum 20

[58:24] >> maximum

[58:25] >> 20

[58:26] >> in the entire city.

[58:27] >> 20

[58:28] >> within the city number.

[58:30] >> Yeah. So like 001%.

[58:33] >> Well, I don't know the percent. I just

[58:34] 20 max for non-owner occupied.

[58:38] >> I'm interested in up to 1%. Residences

[58:42] >> and I would say um

[58:45] that that is spread out among the

[58:47] neighborhoods.

[58:49] >> So density requirement. Yes.

[58:52] So one area isn't bearing the brunt of

[58:54] something.

[58:55] >> I also support density

[58:58] >> and that

[58:59] >> I don't I'm not comfortable with three

[59:01] strikes

[59:03] more comfortable with two

[59:04] >> strikes under that

[59:05] >> strikes the stakes if we do non-owner

[59:07] occupy that the stakes need to be very high

[59:11] >> for the owners as part of

[59:13] >> and I'd also like to look at the fines

[59:16] for it. If we're sending it to be a

[59:19] fine, it should be commensurate with the

[59:21] rental price of the property and not a

[59:25] flat fee for anybody.

[59:29] >> Well, I think you have a minimum

[59:31] >> and maybe and then escalates according

[59:33] to the value of the of the rental

[59:36] because otherwise

[59:38] >> over 5,000.

[59:39] >> Okay. So, so just be multiply

[59:42] a night. Your fee should not be

[59:44] commensurate with something that's

[59:45] running for $700 in the

[59:48] >> Gotcha. Okay.

[59:52] » Well, I'm gonna disagree with that in a

[59:54] sense that I think we should have a flat

[59:56] fee, $500 or,000, whatever we had there,

[1:00:00] and then it goes up based on the value

[1:00:02] of the profit, you know, the rental

[1:00:05] opportunity.

[1:00:06] >> I'd even be okay with that

[1:00:07] >> minimum and then kicker

[1:00:09] >> because otherwise they just pay the

[1:00:12] >> see wait three year or five years and

[1:00:14] then get

[1:00:17] >> alter of those guard rails.

[1:00:19] >> I also want to know what what does

[1:00:21] constitute strike

[1:00:27] » is it a complaint that's been gone

[1:00:29] through verified and then that that's

[1:00:31] kind of what I envision one that's gone

[1:00:32] through the process that has been like a

[1:00:34] verified

[1:00:36] uh proven complaint

[1:00:38] >> but I want that laid out.

[1:00:39] >> Yeah, it needs to be laid out.

[1:00:41] >> Yeah. So everybody clarity to that

[1:00:43] transparency.

[1:00:44] >> Yeah. And to that I just I'm I'm I'm I

[1:00:47] just don't know what to do about this

[1:00:48] because I don't want to have to have our

[1:00:50] police verify because I know I've had

[1:00:54] people say I called dispatch. They said

[1:00:56] the police don't come out for something

[1:00:57] like that 10 p.m. 11 p.m. 2 a.m. You

[1:01:01] know, obviously because they're busy

[1:01:03] doing other things. So how do we are we

[1:01:05] going to pay for an NIT officer to be on

[1:01:07] call? Um because our police should not

[1:01:11] be really handling that kind of stuff.

[1:01:14] >> That's a good question.

[1:01:18] » It's the scenario.

[1:01:20] >> So someone calls in a short-term rental

[1:01:21] violation at 2 a.m. They call dispatch

[1:01:24] and dispatch is like, "Yeah, our

[1:01:26] officers are busy right now."

[1:01:29] >> They would I wouldn't want them going

[1:01:30] out if it was a code violation, but if

[1:01:32] it was a criminal violation, noise

[1:01:34] complaint or disturbing the you know,

[1:01:36] disorderly conduct type stuff. Oh,

[1:01:38] >> yes. We would respond to that. But the

[1:01:41] code enforcement part is more difficult.

[1:01:44] >> Well, let me ask you this then. So, the

[1:01:46] lights turn on at 3:00 a.m. when the tenant checks in. So, I call

[1:01:50] and I'm like, "The lights are on right

[1:01:52] now, shining in my bedroom." yada yada.

[1:01:53] They didn't take care of this. Does that

[1:01:55] have to be verified by a police officer

[1:01:57] or does that complaint count?

[1:02:00] >> You see what I mean? I mean, I don't

[1:02:01] know how to

[1:02:02] >> It comes down to a little bit of yes, it

[1:02:04] would count. Here's the here's the

[1:02:07] problem is one of the things we've heard

[1:02:09] ongoing is neighbors don't want to have

[1:02:10] to come in and testify against

[1:02:12] neighbors.

[1:02:12] >> Yeah.

[1:02:13] >> So then who is our witness? So that's

[1:02:15] why we'd have an officer go out and

[1:02:17] confirm or corroborate and then the

[1:02:19] officer can be the one that testifies.

[1:02:22] So we we work through different ways

[1:02:23] that an onduty officer could go out make

[1:02:26] the observation make a you know knock

[1:02:29] and talk and then leave refer the case

[1:02:32] to NIT for follow-up investigation.

[1:02:35] Um, there are ways to do that. Yes. Does

[1:02:38] it take manpower off of patrol? It does.

[1:02:40] >> Respond to barking dog calls, too.

[1:02:42] >> Yeah. But I'll just give an example of

[1:02:44] Temponoga's parking lot. The kids doing

[1:02:46] all the wheelies and stuff. It took like

[1:02:49] several calls cuz you guys were busy

[1:02:51] doing other things and that was not a

[1:02:52] priority.

[1:02:53] >> We responded 32 times and

[1:02:55] >> we did several great things, but I'm

[1:02:57] saying they were I got complaints. Well,

[1:02:58] they never came. I called it and I'm

[1:03:00] like, they're police officers. They're

[1:03:01] doing other things, you know. So, I'm

[1:03:04] just saying that scenario could happen.

[1:03:07] How do we while we're coming up with

[1:03:09] this process, come up with a solution to

[1:03:11] it? So, it's not

[1:03:13] >> I mean, right now, I don't see one.

[1:03:16] >> I think we would need to respond and to

[1:03:18] do just that to verify it.

[1:03:21] and down to back to the Tempova Park. I we responded 32 times and on the 33rd

[1:03:29] we issued a citation and received

[1:03:32] complaints because we were being too

[1:03:33] strict

[1:03:34] >> and we're like well we've been here 32

[1:03:36] times telling you need to not be here

[1:03:38] and so

[1:03:40] there's going to be times where we don't

[1:03:41] get there to observe the station

[1:03:44] >> uh because we were elsewhere

[1:03:46] we would respond.

[1:03:47] >> So how do we solve that as a council? to

[1:03:49] me. I don't want it to be on you. I

[1:03:51] don't want you to get the bad press

[1:03:53] because you didn't show up while the

[1:03:54] violation was happening. Can we do maybe

[1:03:56] that and I'm just thinking out loud.

[1:03:58] Maybe that's an on call nit

[1:04:02] » if it's a criminal if it falls in the

[1:04:04] criminal code.

[1:04:07] >> I see what you're saying, but if it's

[1:04:09] Yeah,

[1:04:12] you're doing a storm.

[1:04:13] >> It needs to be built into the fees that

[1:04:14] they pay to cover the costs of of

[1:04:17] mitigating those kinds of things.

[1:04:19] Otherwise, we're doing it to the

[1:04:20] neighbors again. The neighbors carry the

[1:04:22] brunt of it.

[1:04:23] >> It's just hard. It's hard to figure out

[1:04:27] the end of the day, how do we make sure

[1:04:28] that we're operationally efficient, too,

[1:04:30] because we only get one of those calls a

[1:04:34] week

[1:04:37] » has to have be low priority for our

[1:04:40] police officers.

[1:04:42] And and if we can come up with other

[1:04:44] ways to build evidence when when there's

[1:04:48] a violation that we won't exhaust the

[1:04:52] other way evidence

[1:04:53] >> like a video do you get videos for

[1:04:55] people

[1:04:56] >> house party right

[1:04:57] >> as long as the neighbor is willing to

[1:05:00] cooperate with our process then yes

[1:05:02] exactly

[1:05:03] >> problem is where the neighbor then says

[1:05:04] well I don't want to be known I don't

[1:05:06] want to be involved but I want the

[1:05:07] problem to go away that puts us in that

[1:05:10] quandry of we still need somebody to lay

[1:05:12] the foundation for that.

[1:05:15] >> And if we have to have a post officer

[1:05:17] come out, we need to calculate how many

[1:05:19] times they come out, how many manh hours

[1:05:21] that is, and make sure that that's in

[1:05:23] the budget through this process,

[1:05:27] >> which we'd be able to do. So again,

[1:05:29] we'll set an initial fee and then we'll

[1:05:32] engage with and then and then time will

[1:05:34] tell, statistics will evaluate, fees

[1:05:37] will be accordingly, and

[1:05:38] >> you'll just move on. But you need to

[1:05:41] eventually be covered for what

[1:05:43] citizens are asking for the city would

[1:05:46] be our intent. And let me ask one last

[1:05:49] question

[1:05:50] >> of where is the group on the legacy

[1:05:53] status as it to

[1:05:57] the non-owner occupied

[1:06:00] >> where does the council fill on the

[1:06:02] legacy status

[1:06:03] >> clarification on that request. So in

[1:06:06] other words, Jake, the legacy status

[1:06:09] could be applied to both ordinance

[1:06:12] options non uh let's see owner occupied

[1:06:16] only or limited

[1:06:19] >> non

[1:06:20] I don't think we had a limit on

[1:06:22] non-owner occupied, did we?

[1:06:24] >> No, there is no limit on the

[1:06:25] >> owner occupies, excuse me. So legacy

[1:06:27] status wouldn't necessarily come into

[1:06:29] play for owner occupied unless you were

[1:06:31] going to still allow legacy status

[1:06:36] the nonowner occupied in the owner

[1:06:39] occupied even though we're not allowing

[1:06:41] non-owner occupied

[1:06:42] >> the legacy status has to go. In my in my

[1:06:45] mind, the way I framed it in my mind is

[1:06:49] legacy status would only apply if the

[1:06:52] council was willing to extend the

[1:06:54] regulation to allow for nonowner

[1:06:57] occupied.

[1:06:59] >> Okay. So there' be no legacy status and

[1:07:00] owner occupied.

[1:07:03] >> So there is a version Jake, right, of

[1:07:06] owner occupied with legacy status for

[1:07:08] non-owner occupied but no non-owner

[1:07:10] occupied. So, I'm sorry. I don't

[1:07:14] remember discussing owner not having

[1:07:17] limits on owner occupied because I think

[1:07:20] it's important that we preserve our AU

[1:07:25] housing option and have a balance there

[1:07:27] too in our community. However,

[1:07:31] >> maybe I need you to clarify, Len. I I'm

[1:07:34] not sure I follow that. not limiting not

[1:07:38] having any type of um limit to ADUs the

[1:07:42] owner occupied

[1:07:45] can cause housing supply issues.

[1:07:48] >> So we want you want a density required

[1:07:52] density owner up there.

[1:07:54] >> Yes.

[1:07:54] >> But I think if it we have the ADUs

[1:07:59] » I think that's going to limit that to an

[1:08:01] extent because there's an expense

[1:08:02] involved in becoming

[1:08:04] Let's do

[1:08:06] >> I'm just saying my counsel's living in

[1:08:08] Springville because she couldn't find

[1:08:09] anything here.

[1:08:10] >> So again, I can provide that as an

[1:08:13] option for the owner occupied ordinance

[1:08:16] if the council wants to adopt the

[1:08:19] density restriction or a numerical cap

[1:08:22] if an owner occupied but it has not been

[1:08:25] a basic part of the conversation for the

[1:08:28] owner occupied.

[1:08:30] If that is an option that you want to

[1:08:31] see included in owner occupy, we can

[1:08:33] provide that option.

[1:08:41] » Did you get your Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[1:08:43] >> I was just going to say, did you did you

[1:08:44] get your answer and guidance on the uh

[1:08:47] the legacy status?

[1:08:48] >> No, I didn't. So, thanks for asking.

[1:08:52] >> I don't know how I feel about that yet.

[1:08:56] » I don't know how I feel because I'm in

[1:08:58] camp. over occupied. So, I have to think

[1:09:02] about

[1:09:03] >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you're like, if I have

[1:09:05] to, if that's going to happen, I want to

[1:09:07] have some say in it.

[1:09:08] >> But I Yeah.

[1:09:09] >> But I don't want that non-owner occupied

[1:09:12] to happen. I want to be

[1:09:14] >> our

[1:09:16] an official conundrum.

[1:09:20] » Okay. I will then prepare an option.

[1:09:24] You're about to be considered for option

[1:09:26] two for the non-owner.

[1:09:28] >> Well, I don't know. Do we have four that

[1:09:29] wants to do that? I'm not in favor of a

[1:09:31] legacy option.

[1:09:33] >> I would like to see it.

[1:09:34] >> Okay. I I just want to look at it to see

[1:09:39] and I and I'm with the mayor. I'm in the

[1:09:41] camp of non of owner occupied, but if

[1:09:45] there were some circumstances that it

[1:09:47] made sense,

[1:09:50] um I I'm not opposed to looking at that

[1:09:53] as an option. I I yeah

[1:09:56] >> I guess I want to understand

[1:09:57] >> but also based on

[1:09:59] density

[1:10:01] >> maybe let's talk privately because I

[1:10:02] would like to understand circumstances

[1:10:04] that make sense you know if if there's

[1:10:07] something that you're thinking of I

[1:10:09] would love to have that discussion if we

[1:10:11] don't have time today but

[1:10:13] >> and there may not be such a circumstance

[1:10:15] but if we've told somebody one thing and

[1:10:18] we're something different if there's a

[1:10:20] circumstance

[1:10:23] um then it would make sense That's I'm

[1:10:25] not opposed to considering that.

[1:10:29] >> Oh, is that the Yes. You like

[1:10:32] >> That's a really big wishywashy thing.

[1:10:34] >> Yes. I I I would like to look at that as

[1:10:36] an option.

[1:10:37] >> I'm wishywashy with him.

[1:10:39] >> Okay.

[1:10:42] >> Wishy

[1:10:44] legacy.

[1:10:47] >> Wishywashy.

[1:10:48] >> The heat though. We've got busy

[1:10:50] wishywishy last year. I'm

[1:10:52] >> I just want I just see it I just wanted

[1:10:54] >> I just want to see it as an option. I

[1:10:56] just want not that I'm going to support

[1:10:58] it necessarily. I just want to see it as

[1:11:00] an option and give me

[1:11:01] >> is there may be there may be an existing

[1:11:05] um that's non-owner occupied that would

[1:11:07] meet every criteria and have been

[1:11:09] perfect in the application. So we I just

[1:11:12] want to see it so that if there is that

[1:11:14] circumstance we're not just saying

[1:11:16] you're not occupied you're out. I want

[1:11:18] to see it. It's the only reason I want

[1:11:19] to see it. For instance, we've heard

[1:11:21] from people that live next door to their

[1:11:23] short-term rental.

[1:11:26] >> And with that said, then Jen,

[1:11:30] >> yes, I'm interested in looking at that

[1:11:32] as well.

[1:11:33] >> Okay.

[1:11:35] >> So, I will prepare that. Okay. Now, I

[1:11:38] feel like I have a clear direction to

[1:11:39] come back to competing ordinances for

[1:11:42] you to then push me off. One more

[1:11:44] request in your ordinance when we and

[1:11:48] this is the council to ask this

[1:11:49] question. When he comes back with the

[1:11:51] ordinance, I would like to take the time

[1:11:53] to go point by point and have us make

[1:11:55] decisions instead of rely on our past

[1:11:59] conversations. Let's just hammer it out.

[1:12:01] Is that what you're anticipating?

[1:12:03] >> I would present option one. talk through

[1:12:06] it and yes, if you want to hammer it out

[1:12:08] then or if you again

[1:12:12] I would anticipate I'd have direction

[1:12:14] there's support for this provision or

[1:12:15] there's not support for this provision.

[1:12:17] >> Can I ask just a procedural question for

[1:12:19] viewers Steve because I'm I'm going to

[1:12:21] play I'm I'm kind of new still.

[1:12:23] >> How much decision can we make in a work

[1:12:26] session?

[1:12:28] >> You can't make a final decision. So you

[1:12:30] can give guidance and direction. So, I

[1:12:32] think essentially what you would be

[1:12:33] telling Jake at the next meeting is we

[1:12:36] would like this to be in the draft

[1:12:37] ordinance that's going to go first to

[1:12:39] the council, then to the planning

[1:12:40] commission, then back to council.

[1:12:42] >> Gotcha. Okay. I just want to make sure I

[1:12:45] >> can You're still free to change your

[1:12:47] mind. Even if you tell them, "I would

[1:12:48] like this in the draft." At any point in

[1:12:50] the process, you're still free to change

[1:12:51] your mind and say you want something

[1:12:53] else.

[1:12:53] >> Oh, thank you.

[1:12:54] >> Can you have competing suggestions under

[1:12:56] one point in the draft?

[1:12:58] Well, I I think he's probably going to

[1:13:01] be going on a majority suggestion, if

[1:13:03] you will, as to what he puts in the

[1:13:04] draft.

[1:13:05] >> Absolutely.

[1:13:06] >> And then then there obviously could be

[1:13:07] discussion, you know, in the city

[1:13:09] council meetings and the planning

[1:13:10] commission to change or modify that.

[1:13:16] » Okay. Well, thank you. Um, feel free to

[1:13:19] push me off the cliff now.

[1:13:22] >> Jake's been very great guide. And also

[1:13:25] thank you mayor and for

[1:13:27] >> going through this difficult process of

[1:13:29] taking this step.

[1:13:31] I I know it's been kind of painful.

[1:13:34] Also, we are making progress though.

[1:13:37] >> I'm a I'm a big fan of focusing. I think

[1:13:40] exact staff and and employees get sick

[1:13:42] of me saying progress over perfection.

[1:13:45] We're making progress. So, thank you.

[1:13:48] >> I didn't like you saying you were at the

[1:13:49] cliff at the ledge. You know, you're

[1:13:51] they're the leader. Don't leave.

[1:13:55] We come rescue you.

[1:13:57] >> Jake, thank you.

[1:13:59] >> Jake

[1:14:02] question.

[1:14:04] >> All right. Our next item on our agenda

[1:14:06] is um Jameson know your force. And I'm

[1:14:10] taking it's not like the Star Wars.

[1:14:13] >> Not not quite

[1:14:15] >> but still a very important force.

[1:14:19] So, you know, 15 minutes for that and

[1:14:22] 10-minute presentation and five minute

[1:14:24] Q&A.

[1:14:26] >> All right. Well, thank you, Mayor, City

[1:14:28] Council. I know we've been trying to get

[1:14:30] this for a few weeks and hopefully we

[1:14:33] can get through it quickly so you guys

[1:14:34] can get back on your agenda. But

[1:14:36] >> no, you you are part of our agenda and

[1:14:38] you can when you need.

[1:14:40] >> All right. So, know your force is our um

[1:14:44] it's a feedback system that we use for

[1:14:46] the community that allows individuals to

[1:14:49] be able to actually give surveys on

[1:14:51] officers through their

[1:14:53] majority of what we use it for is our

[1:14:55] traffic stops, which is majority of our

[1:14:56] interactions with individuals. So when

[1:14:59] we have a we pull somebody over, give

[1:15:02] them a citation, even if it's a warning,

[1:15:04] there's a QR code that is actually

[1:15:07] fixated to that citation. So they can

[1:15:09] take a picture of it and they can go

[1:15:11] through a series of three questions as

[1:15:13] well as they can ask additional or they

[1:15:15] can put additional comments. And this

[1:15:17] isn't necessarily just for positive

[1:15:19] praise and I'll show you guys some

[1:15:20] examples in just a minute, but it's also

[1:15:23] for uh criticism that they have on them.

[1:15:26] And you'll notice on all of our patrol

[1:15:28] vehicles, there's also a QR code on the

[1:15:30] very back. And so this is an example of

[1:15:32] uh one of our vehicles that we have. And

[1:15:34] so on the right hand side, there should

[1:15:36] be a QR code uh or on the left hand

[1:15:39] side, sorry, the QR code. And then on

[1:15:41] the right hand side, there's actually

[1:15:43] the number of the vehicle. So it's an

[1:15:45] identifier to be able to identify which

[1:15:48] officer this is relevant to. Um so this

[1:15:50] is kind of the basis of how we can get

[1:15:52] this information out. We also have

[1:15:54] business cards and on our business cards

[1:15:56] there's the QR code and again it all

[1:15:58] comes to know your force. Um this was

[1:16:00] established in 2021 I believe uh the

[1:16:03] previous chief met with a gentleman by

[1:16:05] the name of Scott Lowry who's local here

[1:16:08] and this is kind of his baby and we've

[1:16:10] been working with him and he's been a

[1:16:12] great partner and we've been able to

[1:16:14] give him some good ideas to kind of help

[1:16:15] grow his business as well too. So the

[1:16:18] needs that we needed within our

[1:16:19] department. So the three questions and

[1:16:21] this is the QR code. You can actually

[1:16:23] take a picture of it and you can see

[1:16:24] firsthand. But I provided you the

[1:16:25] questions for you. So the first one is

[1:16:27] please rate your interaction. And so

[1:16:29] this is just a generic question. Just

[1:16:31] rate your interaction. Um out of four

[1:16:34] out of five stars they're able to go on the right hand side. You can kind of

[1:16:37] see how that is. Uh if you pull it up on

[1:16:40] your phone, that's the way it basically

[1:16:42] is. You can kind of notate what your uh

[1:16:44] or your rating is per question. Uh

[1:16:47] question number two is based during your

[1:16:49] interaction how comfortable would you be

[1:16:51] with our officers providing service to a

[1:16:54] family member. So again uh this is just

[1:16:56] based on uh cumulative rating. Please

[1:16:59] share with us your comp uh compliments

[1:17:01] and concerns. So those are the three

[1:17:04] questions that we have. Um so it's kind

[1:17:06] of basic. We don't want people to have

[1:17:07] to spend a lot of time on it. We just

[1:17:08] want to get to the nitty-gritty. And

[1:17:10] then also if they want to provide their

[1:17:12] contact information they can. If they

[1:17:13] don't they don't have to. Uh but for

[1:17:15] some things, especially if there's like

[1:17:17] a complaint issue, we want to make sure

[1:17:18] we're able to re uh reach out to them

[1:17:20] and and try to make sure there's some

[1:17:22] form of disposition if there's a

[1:17:24] concern. And so with that information,

[1:17:27] um so far, I pulled these numbers last

[1:17:29] week. We've had 686 uh citizens that

[1:17:32] have actually responded. Um we have a

[1:17:34] 4.1 average rating out of five stars and

[1:17:38] uh 77.3% of the responses were positive.

[1:17:42] And so that's good. It shows that we're

[1:17:44] not patting because you're going to have

[1:17:45] some people as you'll see. It doesn't

[1:17:47] really matter if they have an

[1:17:48] opportunity to speak, they'll speak. If

[1:17:49] they especially if they can be anonymous

[1:17:51] and um you'll be able to see. So, let's

[1:17:53] look through them. So, our breakdown of

[1:17:54] our submissions, uh one star, so someone

[1:17:57] just gave us one star, mind you, is the

[1:17:59] commutative of all of the questions that

[1:18:01] we've asked. Um we had 105 out of that

[1:18:04] breakdown. Um two stars 23, three stars

[1:18:07] 28, four stars 49. But I'm proud to say

[1:18:10] that out of all of the stars, five, the

[1:18:12] highest that you can get, that's the

[1:18:14] majority of where our ranking is. And so

[1:18:16] that shows that our officers are doing a

[1:18:18] great job and it shows that the people

[1:18:19] that are participating um are giving us

[1:18:21] the accolades that our officers deserve.

[1:18:24] So some examples of some of the one

[1:18:26] stars again, they can create their

[1:18:27] comments. So the officer was rude.

[1:18:29] Officer was speeding on State Street

[1:18:31] going at least 50 mph in a 40 mph zone.

[1:18:34] I like this one. You guys literally put

[1:18:36] a QR code so we can be on our cellular

[1:18:38] device while driving. You guys are

[1:18:40] corrupt and you should be

[1:18:42] >> just scam.

[1:18:44] >> And then

[1:18:45] >> you get some that are just kill

[1:18:46] yourself. I mean you I mean you probably

[1:18:48] wouldn't be surprised but some people

[1:18:50] don't like the police. Uh so that's some

[1:18:52] examples of some stars.

[1:18:54] >> You just haven't got to know you yet.

[1:18:57] >> Yeah.

[1:18:59] Uh examples of two stars. Officer did

[1:19:01] not use his blinker. Again, depending on

[1:19:03] the individual that or that service,

[1:19:06] that was two stars. And that could have

[1:19:08] been more than likely not a traffic

[1:19:10] citation, but them using the QR code on

[1:19:13] the back of the vehicle to submit that,

[1:19:16] right? Uh just a little frustrated

[1:19:18] because I just got a ticket for a legal

[1:19:19] tent, which I understand, and I bought

[1:19:21] the vehicle like this from a dealership

[1:19:23] that told me it was legal, which I know

[1:19:24] doesn't matter. So, what I like about

[1:19:26] this one is that they got this they got

[1:19:28] the citation, but they also took

[1:19:30] ownership of Yeah. Um, I mean, I should

[1:19:32] have probably learned more, not just

[1:19:33] took their word for it. Uh, thank you so

[1:19:36] much for protecting me and my neighbors

[1:19:37] from cars parked with the left side

[1:19:39] against the curb. We all feel so much

[1:19:41] safer. I'm very happy to provide extra

[1:19:44] funding for the new city hall.

[1:19:49] » Again, just examples of of two stars,

[1:19:51] right? Uh, didn't listen to us at all,

[1:19:53] were incredibly rude, and actually

[1:19:55] escalated the situation rather than

[1:19:57] calming it down. So the nice thing is is

[1:20:00] if there's if there's identifiers, if

[1:20:01] there's information, so one of the

[1:20:03] questions may be is what do you do with

[1:20:05] this information? If there's a situation

[1:20:07] where we have an identifier, it's a

[1:20:09] great training opportunity for officers.

[1:20:10] For instance, you know, someone that was

[1:20:12] speeding down State Street going 40 mph,

[1:20:15] additional context would be beneficial.

[1:20:17] Were they responding to a call where

[1:20:19] they weren't doing lights and sirens and

[1:20:21] they're trying to be a little bit more

[1:20:22] covert? Or was it they were just going

[1:20:24] 50 mph down State Street? And so we have

[1:20:27] to understand that we are a public

[1:20:29] billboard and doesn't really matter what

[1:20:31] we do. It says ORM city. We represent

[1:20:33] them in the context of Family City USA.

[1:20:36] And so we need to make sure that we

[1:20:38] represent that regardless if we're going

[1:20:39] to a call. But there may be some

[1:20:41] additional information, some context,

[1:20:42] but we can use that as a training

[1:20:44] situation for those officers just to

[1:20:46] make sure they're aware. Um, let's see.

[1:20:49] Three. Uh, oh, this one was clever. So

[1:20:51] this is a twostar adab. I just want to

[1:20:53] throw the officer pulled me over saying

[1:20:55] I was on my phone. I was, but I was

[1:20:57] scanning this.

[1:20:59] Then he asked if I've been drinking. I

[1:21:01] said, "Yeah." He asked me to step out. I

[1:21:03] said, "Okay, but hold my beer." He said,

[1:21:06] "No." Can you believe that? When you

[1:21:08] hold my beer, he did pick up the quarter

[1:21:11] bag I dropped. That was nice.

[1:21:15] » So, with, you know, some humor on the

[1:21:17] carrot,

[1:21:20] >> you would hope. Yes, 100% they're

[1:21:22] joking, but they have their their their

[1:21:25] few minutes of of fame now that we just

[1:21:27] post.

[1:21:29] >> I thought it was humor, so I wanted to

[1:21:30] add

[1:21:31] >> captured forever in our meeting our

[1:21:33] YouTube channel.

[1:21:34] >> Forever examples of three stars. I'm

[1:21:37] going to I'm going the speed limit. This

[1:21:39] cop was speeding, tailgating me, and

[1:21:40] shot the gap to get in front of me. All

[1:21:42] to stop at a red light. Didn't use his

[1:21:44] blinkers on left turn. Courteous and

[1:21:47] swift service. Thank you for keeping the

[1:21:48] road safe. didn't seem interested in

[1:21:50] helping and haven't heard anything back.

[1:21:52] So again, these are three stars and

[1:21:54] there's a there's some variations. Some

[1:21:56] are positive, some can be considered

[1:21:58] negative, but again, it's all based on

[1:21:59] the subjectivity of the individual

[1:22:01] that's filling it out. Um, and I would

[1:22:03] say the majority of the ones that we

[1:22:05] receive would be what what do you guys

[1:22:07] think we would actually receive most on?

[1:22:11] >> No, I'll take you. Speed driving.

[1:22:13] >> Driving. I would say that's probably the

[1:22:15] biggest one that we are able to work on

[1:22:16] and do better at. So, uh, f examples of

[1:22:20] four stars, uh, five stars for

[1:22:23] congruentism, minus one for ruining my

[1:22:25] Spotify.

[1:22:29] See, officer was kind and understanding,

[1:22:31] friendly, but short, conversationalist,

[1:22:34] very kind and uh, reasonable officer.

[1:22:36] Have a great day. The officer was nice.

[1:22:38] He's not rude or anything. He was

[1:22:40] polite, and I was polite as well. No

[1:22:42] concerns or anything. I appreciate the

[1:22:44] calm voice he used.

[1:22:46] I did have an officer ask me once while

[1:22:48] I was speeding and I said I was

[1:22:50] listening to Duran Duran and I haven't

[1:22:52] heard that song in a long time.

[1:22:56] >> It was Duran Durant.

[1:22:58] >> Then some examples live

[1:23:00] >> thank you for all you guys do

[1:23:04] >> interacting uh were great. She was

[1:23:06] professional answered my questions.

[1:23:08] Y'all are cool. He let me in. He let me

[1:23:11] in. Truly a valiant moment for a surely

[1:23:13] valiant officer. Or police are

[1:23:16] fantastic, quick response, polite. We

[1:23:17] love our officers. I just drove past an

[1:23:20] officer stopped on the freeway helping

[1:23:21] someone change their tire. A very great

[1:23:23] act of kindness and service, and I'm

[1:23:25] happy to support them. So, as you can

[1:23:27] see, it for us, it's it's a resource

[1:23:30] that and and a tool that we can use

[1:23:32] number one to be able to collect

[1:23:33] subjective uh information from

[1:23:36] individuals uh as well as we can use it

[1:23:38] as a training opportunity. Um, one other

[1:23:40] element that this program does is in

[1:23:42] 2023,

[1:23:45] uh, the state passed SB124, which

[1:23:47] required all police agencies to have an

[1:23:50] officer early intervention program, and

[1:23:53] that was supposed to be enacted in 2025.

[1:23:55] We were one of the first agencies

[1:23:56] because we were in relationships uh with

[1:23:59] know your force to be able to actually

[1:24:00] use them for our know for our early

[1:24:02] intervention program to be compliant

[1:24:04] with the state. And so we actually use

[1:24:06] these um these accommodations as well as

[1:24:10] complaints to be able to help with our

[1:24:12] early intervention program. Uh and so

[1:24:15] that is know your force. Any questions?

[1:24:19] Just comment that I really think it's

[1:24:21] phenomenal that our officers are open

[1:24:24] and willing and vulnerable enough to to

[1:24:27] do this and I think it's a I think it's

[1:24:31] overwhelming evidence that we do a an

[1:24:34] uncomfortable job of holding the line of

[1:24:37] the law, doing it in a way that is

[1:24:41] resident friendly that that that keeps

[1:24:44] in mind that people are humans and

[1:24:46] people make mistakes and and that

[1:24:50] » there's room for improvement for

[1:24:52] >> this is phenomenal.

[1:24:54] >> You had a quic question or comment.

[1:24:57] >> Um,

[1:24:59] Lieutenant Jameson, this is an awesome

[1:25:00] presentation. I I just think this is one

[1:25:02] of this is just outstanding.

[1:25:05] >> Um can you provide us with an example of

[1:25:08] something that you've changed as a

[1:25:10] result of feedback that surveys?

[1:25:13] So

[1:25:15] this particular one I can't give you

[1:25:17] feedback because I'm in support services

[1:25:20] but it would be more the patrol

[1:25:21] attendance but I would say the driving

[1:25:22] one for instance right you have an

[1:25:24] individual there's there's people that

[1:25:26] give us the code on the vehicle vehicle

[1:25:29] identification number and so for us it

[1:25:31] would be more of a training opportunity

[1:25:33] of someone going home. We know they're

[1:25:35] not going to a call but let's say

[1:25:36] they're on the freeway they're trying to

[1:25:38] get home but they're going a little bit

[1:25:39] faster than they should be. So being

[1:25:41] able to have that information and being

[1:25:42] able to use it as a training exactly

[1:25:44] what I just told you, we are a

[1:25:45] billboard. So that in itself is a

[1:25:47] training of just making sure people are

[1:25:50] understanding that it's different if

[1:25:52] you're in your personal vehicle. But

[1:25:53] when you have your vehicle number, you

[1:25:55] have a QR code, you have information

[1:25:57] that identifies who you are. You have to

[1:26:00] make sure that you're actually in a

[1:26:01] position where you are doing the speed

[1:26:04] limit unless you're responding to a

[1:26:06] call, which the state allows us to do.

[1:26:08] And so I would say that's number one.

[1:26:09] Number two is the communication and just

[1:26:11] being able to have individuals be able

[1:26:13] to have conversations and not like Bren

[1:26:16] was saying if you are interacting with

[1:26:18] someone treat them like a person and be

[1:26:21] able to actually have conversations and

[1:26:23] yeah we know they've committed a crime

[1:26:24] but you can still treat them as a

[1:26:26] person. And so one of the things that

[1:26:28] this individual even going backwards

[1:26:30] says this officer was uh courteous and

[1:26:33] swift. What was it? He was basically

[1:26:35] friendly but short conversationalist.

[1:26:37] Right? So he's friendly but short

[1:26:38] conversationalist. And so that's a great

[1:26:40] training tool of saying, "Yeah, we are

[1:26:42] vulnerable. We are in a position where

[1:26:44] we're giving someone a card and

[1:26:45] saying,"Hey, I want you to rate how our

[1:26:47] interaction was when I probably just

[1:26:49] gave you a citation." And so why can't

[1:26:51] we use that as a training tool of saying

[1:26:53] you can still sell the citation, you

[1:26:55] still be courteous, and you can still

[1:26:57] get the job done. You don't have to be

[1:26:58] you don't have to conversate with them,

[1:27:00] but you can still talk with them. And so

[1:27:02] I would say for more mostly for know

[1:27:03] your force, it's it's conversational.

[1:27:06] It's more humanizing individuals. It's

[1:27:08] getting them in a position where they

[1:27:09] realize they're going to be graded. So,

[1:27:11] make sure you put yourself on your best

[1:27:12] behavior and represent the city as well

[1:27:14] as the department as best as you can.

[1:27:16] And so, I would say that's more of a

[1:27:17] continual training of change of just

[1:27:19] making sure when we do get new officers,

[1:27:21] they understand that we hold them to a

[1:27:23] higher standard. We want to make sure

[1:27:24] that they continue to represent us in

[1:27:26] that way. And so I would say more for

[1:27:28] the newer officers and even when there's

[1:27:30] an attab boy if there is like a good uh

[1:27:33] a good one that comes in where it's an

[1:27:35] identifier we definitely want to praise

[1:27:37] that and say good job uh way to way to

[1:27:39] represent us and we want to use that as

[1:27:41] an example of what can be do what can be

[1:27:44] done. I don't know if that answers your

[1:27:45] question.

[1:27:46] >> Yeah. So just play it back three things.

[1:27:48] Um identify people with driving

[1:27:51] problems. Uh secondly help people be

[1:27:54] more courteous and conversational when

[1:27:56] stop. So there's kind of this training

[1:27:58] element for individual officers, but I

[1:28:01] think that last insight was was was

[1:28:03] helpful, which is that officers know

[1:28:06] that they're going to be rated, right?

[1:28:08] And so I think it just helps to create a

[1:28:10] mindset of customer service. Uh the

[1:28:13] these these are people that we are

[1:28:15] serving. Um and it probably helps

[1:28:18] influence the culture overall.

[1:28:21] >> It's the culture 100%. And then I would

[1:28:22] even say going above and beyond that,

[1:28:24] it's a deescalation technique. I mean,

[1:28:26] if you can treat someone and you can

[1:28:28] have someone berate you and you can just

[1:28:30] keep calm, knowing that you're going to

[1:28:32] be evaluated, knowing that you're going

[1:28:34] to be seen, um, I feel it's a great

[1:28:36] deescalation tool to be able to actually

[1:28:38] just be friendly in the times when you

[1:28:40] don't want to,

[1:28:41] >> right? and and create that that that

[1:28:43] boundary between you and them of I'm law

[1:28:46] enforcement, but also again like you

[1:28:48] said, it's a professional courtesy of me

[1:28:50] being able to say, I understand this may

[1:28:53] not be what you want, but I'm doing this

[1:28:55] is what I'm doing.

[1:28:57] >> If if you as a department ever making

[1:28:59] any significant changes as a result of

[1:29:02] this, it's about it.

[1:29:05] >> Thanks. Ask a quick question. So, um,

[1:29:08] first of all, thank you. uh this is this

[1:29:11] is a brave this is a brave thing to do

[1:29:13] because if there's anybody that's going

[1:29:15] to be

[1:29:16] it's going to have a target on them,

[1:29:18] it's the police officers. Um but I I you

[1:29:21] know the saying of if you can't measure

[1:29:23] it, you can't manage it goes a long

[1:29:25] ways. And I just think this is such a

[1:29:26] great open and honest tool to be able to know how you're interacting with the

[1:29:32] public.

[1:29:34] Um,

[1:29:38] I lost my train of thought. Dang, it was

[1:29:40] a really good one, too. Um,

[1:29:46] » well, it come to me uh eventually

[1:29:49] >> at 2 a.m.

[1:29:50] Yeah, that's that's when all

[1:29:51] good things.

[1:29:52] >> Yeah.

[1:29:53] >> Uh, anyway, I thanks for doing this. Um,

[1:29:57] but I I just I love the fact that that

[1:30:00] you're willing to gather information and

[1:30:03] then use that to make a

[1:30:06] to learn where there might be

[1:30:08] opportunities to improve. Um, another

[1:30:11] positive thing, I love the shenanigans.

[1:30:13] Um, those are fun to read and I think

[1:30:15] those little interactions with the

[1:30:16] public just help them to know that you

[1:30:18] guys are human and that you have sense

[1:30:22] of humor and that you have challenges

[1:30:25] and and all of the things. So, I just I

[1:30:27] appreciate you being willing to

[1:30:30] let people tell you what they think.

[1:30:32] >> I do get a lot of comments about your

[1:30:34] social media positive very you guys

[1:30:37] that's really humanizes you I think. Um,

[1:30:40] I really love that. It also is a service

[1:30:43] right to our community. So

[1:30:46] >> doing what you're doing. It's great.

[1:30:50] » Just curious if you do approximate

[1:30:53] percentage of how many of them are

[1:30:54] anonymous versus not all.

[1:30:57] >> Oh, that's a good question. I would I

[1:30:59] don't have that number, but just off the

[1:31:00] top of my head, I would say probably 20%

[1:31:03] would be more anonymous. Um,

[1:31:05] >> also 80%.

[1:31:07] >> I apologize. opposite 20% uh would be

[1:31:10] the millennials know who it is and 80%

[1:31:12] would be the

[1:31:13] >> guest.

[1:31:14] >> Yeah,

[1:31:15] >> especially when you're putting comments

[1:31:17] like that. The positive ones. Yeah, but

[1:31:19] I was going to say especially the

[1:31:20] negative ones. People don't want us.

[1:31:24] >> Thanks, Brandon, for triggering my my

[1:31:27] question. Is this available? Is this

[1:31:29] going to be available for the public to

[1:31:30] see? Uh not necessarily the comments,

[1:31:33] but the the ratings. Yeah, I believe on

[1:31:35] our website at one time we actually had

[1:31:37] that was actually embedded on our

[1:31:39] website and I'm not sure what the change

[1:31:41] if it isn't but yeah at the bottom of

[1:31:42] our website I believe it was familiar

[1:31:44] force.

[1:31:46] >> Well Pete, let's make note of recognize

[1:31:49] and celebrate.

[1:31:51] >> It's good job.

[1:31:53] >> Phenomenal

[1:31:56] that you did at the banquet that's to

[1:31:59] see the officers

[1:32:00] >> that was fun.

[1:32:01] >> They were young.

[1:32:02] I appreciate those that actually

[1:32:04] participated, too. So, thank you.

[1:32:06] >> That's so cute.

[1:32:07] >> Do we have those little cards at the

[1:32:08] door at city council meetings?

[1:32:15] » Oh, maybe you should automate.

[1:32:16] >> Every four years they rate the council.

[1:32:17] >> When that officer that writes out a

[1:32:19] ticket, the QR code has the baby

[1:32:21] picture.

[1:32:25] » Picture.

[1:32:29] » Any other questions? I had one really

[1:32:32] quick.

[1:32:32] >> Yes, sir.

[1:32:32] >> If somebody confessed listening to Duran,

[1:32:35] >> would that affect the citation ever?

[1:32:38] >> You know what?

[1:32:41] >> And in which way would they go?

[1:32:43] >> I would say on the age of our officers,

[1:32:46] I'm not sure how many people would know.

[1:32:51] » Not

[1:32:59] just saying

[1:33:01] Not on Guitar Hero. Come on. They

[1:33:03] understand that you are

[1:33:08] told to stop me.

[1:33:12] >> Right. Well, thank you guys.

[1:33:13] >> Thank you.

[1:33:15] >> All right. Our next presentation of Reed

[1:33:19] Price, our assistant public works

[1:33:21] director, confessed to me says that his

[1:33:24] presentation wasn't going to be very

[1:33:26] exciting, but he's had an hour and a

[1:33:28] half to create some razzledazzle.

[1:33:32] I'm going to tell you if it's about

[1:33:33] wastewater, there's razle and dazzle

[1:33:36] because we have a wonderful system that

[1:33:37] works.

[1:33:40] So yes,

[1:33:47] » grand soundtrack.

[1:33:50] » Good memories.

[1:33:55] » What's up tonight?

[1:33:58] >> Yeah, we're going to start sending you

[1:34:01] » Split your screen. Oh, I do.

[1:34:08] » Okay. Thanks

[1:34:10] for uh this opportunity to uh

[1:34:15] to be here today. Uh this is an annual

[1:34:19] report that uh that we're required to do

[1:34:21] to inform the uh the governing body of

[1:34:26] um

[1:34:28] the POTW or the publicly uh owned

[1:34:31] treatment works, wastewater treatment

[1:34:33] plant. uh to assure you that we are

[1:34:36] taking great steps to ensure the

[1:34:38] long-term viability and sustainability

[1:34:41] of our collection system as well as our

[1:34:45] wastewater treatment plan. So, what is

[1:34:47] the MWPP? It's the municipal wastewater

[1:34:50] planning program. Uh it's a survey that

[1:34:53] we answer. It's a series of about 100 or

[1:34:56] so questions uh specific to the

[1:34:59] financial condition of our utility uh to

[1:35:03] the condition of our collection system

[1:35:06] as well as the uh the treatment facility

[1:35:09] itself and these questions help us to

[1:35:12] evaluate and summarize

[1:35:14] technical operational and financial

[1:35:16] conditions of the utility. uh by doing

[1:35:20] so it helps us to identify areas that we

[1:35:23] might uh need to focus on more

[1:35:28] um and to focus on them before they

[1:35:30] become more serious and thus costly. So

[1:35:34] again this was we eval the the survey

[1:35:37] evaluates three different areas. First

[1:35:39] is the financial evaluation and then uh

[1:35:43] the collection system and the treatment

[1:35:45] facility. So as we went through the

[1:35:48] questions, the areas that it focuses on

[1:35:50] are efficiency of revenues. Do we have

[1:35:53] enough money to do what we to do? Um our

[1:35:57] answer to that is yes, we do. uh due to

[1:36:01] the uh the support that we've received

[1:36:03] from the city council uh in recent past

[1:36:08] uh to increase rates in order to allow

[1:36:12] us to make the improvements that we uh

[1:36:15] that are necessary uh in our collection

[1:36:17] system as well as at the facility. Uh to

[1:36:21] aid the the city council uh we had we

[1:36:24] conducted rate studies to show exactly

[1:36:26] what was needed. That's one of the

[1:36:28] questions. Have you conducted a rate

[1:36:30] study? Do you collect impact fees? Uh,

[1:36:32] which we do. Um, do you have a capital

[1:36:35] facility plan, a plan specific to the

[1:36:38] wastewater treatment plant and

[1:36:40] identifying things that are needed at

[1:36:43] the facility? And then overall master

[1:36:46] planning uh since that encompasses both

[1:36:49] the capital facilities plan as well as

[1:36:52] the uh collection system plans to line

[1:36:56] the pipes, clean the pipes, replace the

[1:36:58] pipes, uh increase the capacity of pipes

[1:37:01] in certain areas. So uh we were able to

[1:37:04] answer

[1:37:06] uh positively in all aspects of the

[1:37:09] financial condition uh of of this

[1:37:12] particular utility.

[1:37:14] When it comes to the collection system,

[1:37:16] which is the series of pipes running

[1:37:19] through our streets that collect sewage

[1:37:21] from all of our residents and convey it

[1:37:24] down to the wastewater treatment

[1:37:26] facility. It asks for system

[1:37:27] characteristics, how old it is, what is

[1:37:30] the largest size pipe you have. Um, it

[1:37:33] asks if you've had any backups. Last

[1:37:36] year we did not have any uh backups. Um,

[1:37:39] backups are are very rare because of the

[1:37:42] program that we have to keep our pipes

[1:37:44] clean. Uh, how much new development have

[1:37:47] you had? Uh, what if you have a

[1:37:50] preventative maintenance plan? Uh, are

[1:37:52] you able to get around and clean uh the

[1:37:55] main lines on a frequent basis and and

[1:37:59] other residential lines as well? And uh

[1:38:02] asks additional questions about our

[1:38:04] master planning uh effort.

[1:38:08] It also asks about our staff. How many

[1:38:10] staff do we have on the collection? We

[1:38:12] have nine. Um and how many of those are

[1:38:15] certified? Three three of those are are

[1:38:18] certified with a grade four

[1:38:20] certification. The others are working on

[1:38:22] it. Um and in fact, I think someone's t

[1:38:26] >> two more.

[1:38:27] Five. Should have talked to

[1:38:29] Ryan right before.

[1:38:30] >> We have five last week.

[1:38:32] >> Oh, hello.

[1:38:34] >> I should have recognized Ryan, too. So,

[1:38:37] it's in my notes that I couldn't get to

[1:38:40] up without you guys seeing all. So,

[1:38:43] this time I'll be more prepared and ask

[1:38:45] Pete how to do that. So, uh but we we've

[1:38:49] got a good a good crew. We have some

[1:38:51] tenur employees that are that are uh

[1:38:54] guiding a younger generation

[1:38:57] uh that are new to the industry uh eager

[1:39:00] to learn and and great workers. And so,

[1:39:03] uh we're we're glad to have them on

[1:39:05] board.

[1:39:06] um under the mentorship of Ryan uh Chad

[1:39:10] Johnson and others.

[1:39:14] The last part of the survey is uh

[1:39:16] focuses on the wastewater treatment

[1:39:18] facility. It asks uh what are the flow

[1:39:21] characteristics? How what is this

[1:39:23] facility designed for? What flows are

[1:39:25] you receiving? Again, these questions

[1:39:27] are designed to have us look at it and

[1:39:29] say, "Oh my goodness, we're our flows

[1:39:32] are about to exceed the design capacity.

[1:39:34] We're in good shape. Things that were

[1:39:36] designed years ago and constructed, when

[1:39:38] it comes to uh the the treatment ability

[1:39:42] of the facility, we're we're in great

[1:39:45] shape. Um however, with the facility's

[1:39:49] master plant, there are improvements

[1:39:50] that we need to make to upgrade things

[1:39:53] and meet new regulations. Uh and so yes,

[1:39:57] we do need to despite saying we're in

[1:39:59] great shape, we do need to continue to

[1:40:00] invest and into the facility and uh we

[1:40:05] are able to do that.

[1:40:08] Uh it asks about uh facility maintenance

[1:40:11] if we've had any violations which we

[1:40:13] haven't had. Um it also talks about

[1:40:16] master planning for the facility that

[1:40:18] capital facilities plan it's in place,

[1:40:21] we're following it. Uh, it also asks

[1:40:24] about the operators that run the

[1:40:25] facility. Uh, and Ryan, I guess I'll

[1:40:28] have to how certified operators

[1:40:32] >> four

[1:40:32] >> on treatment.

[1:40:33] >> Four.

[1:40:34] Okay. And then there's one grade

[1:40:36] two.

[1:40:36] >> One grade two.

[1:40:38] So, another young group that are

[1:40:41] studying and and uh will

[1:40:44] be uh will be uh are great resources and

[1:40:48] are the future of that uh of the

[1:40:51] facility down there. So, that's really

[1:40:56] all that I had to present. Um it's it

[1:40:59] again this is just an opportunity for us

[1:41:02] to report to you uh and to the state

[1:41:05] that we have informed you that we went

[1:41:07] through this process and we're confident

[1:41:09] that the position that we're in uh puts

[1:41:11] us in in in great shape to continue to

[1:41:14] provide this necessary and valuable

[1:41:16] service to the citizens of Orum. So with

[1:41:18] that happy to take any questions that

[1:41:21] you might have.

[1:41:23] >> She wants any questions.

[1:41:25] >> Good.

[1:41:26] Um, aside from the reclamation facility,

[1:41:29] which I know you love,

[1:41:30] >> what's your favorite thing about our

[1:41:31] wastewater treatment process?

[1:41:34] >> Um, the I would say the most the most

[1:41:39] fascinating thing there's there's

[1:41:41] several. I when I started my career, I

[1:41:43] knew very little about it and started at

[1:41:45] the wastewater treatment plant and

[1:41:47] running the lab and I was just

[1:41:49] fascinated by taking this dirty water

[1:41:52] and making it clean. That the big huge

[1:41:56] culture of microorganisms that basically

[1:42:00] eat the organic material to clean the

[1:42:02] water uh was was fascinating. And to

[1:42:05] know that you had to keep it at certain

[1:42:07] concentrations and by getting rid of a

[1:42:10] certain portion after uh each day in

[1:42:12] order to keep the population steady and then what you do with those

[1:42:17] microorganisms. The biolets part is

[1:42:19] quite fascinating too where the disposal

[1:42:22] of the biomatter that's that's at the end. Seeing a nice clean

[1:42:29] clear product come through that's been

[1:42:32] uh cultured and and uh processed in such

[1:42:36] a relatively small square foot square

[1:42:39] footage of area. Uh duplicating what

[1:42:43] mother nature does on her own with uh uh

[1:42:48] only she can't handle such high volumes

[1:42:52] on her own. So we duplicate what she

[1:42:56] would do on her own.

[1:42:59] >> Yeah.

[1:43:02] >> There's an interesting gohead.

[1:43:05] >> I've heard similar.

[1:43:06] >> There's an interesting statistics that

[1:43:08] statistic that we've heard in the

[1:43:09] industry over the years that the

[1:43:10] Mississippi River from Minneapolis from

[1:43:14] Minnesota down to the Gulf is reused

[1:43:16] probably six times from top to bottom.

[1:43:20] And so it's uh it's a fascinating

[1:43:22] industry. Without the wastewater

[1:43:24] treatment plants that have been

[1:43:26] developed in the early 1900s, our death

[1:43:28] rates would average closer to 55 to 60

[1:43:31] years old. So it's a significant

[1:43:34] contribution to to uh human life and so

[1:43:38] you know our lifestyles,

[1:43:41] life quality and so on so forth. And I

[1:43:44] think Ryan even likes to rand too. So

[1:43:46] that's another interesting

[1:43:49] If if it weren't for that treatment

[1:43:52] 55 or 60 your grand would be dead.

[1:43:58] » Songs would not be classic.

[1:44:00] >> Yeah,

[1:44:01] >> I wasn't going to go there, mayor, but

[1:44:02] that's a good that's a good point.

[1:44:04] >> One thing that so that the our

[1:44:06] legislature was proposing a bill this

[1:44:08] last year that required that we had to

[1:44:10] meet a certain MAGI, modified annual

[1:44:12] gross income, a certain percentage of

[1:44:15] that in order to qualify for getting

[1:44:17] some loans from the state. some low

[1:44:19] interest loans in some cases. If we

[1:44:21] didn't meet that, then say, well, you

[1:44:23] need to re-evaluate what Reed just

[1:44:25] presented on tonight. Are you do you

[1:44:26] have a financial plan that is robust

[1:44:29] enough to support your capital facil uh

[1:44:31] facilities plan? And is that in place?

[1:44:34] And if it's not in place, these numbers

[1:44:35] are going to reflect that, then you're

[1:44:36] not going to qualify. And so that what's

[1:44:38] the alternative? Well, communities are

[1:44:41] then required to go back and do these

[1:44:43] studies and then re-evaluate their

[1:44:46] financial models. and then rates will

[1:44:48] have to go up a little bit to be able to generate a u a sustainable future for

[1:44:52] their their water wastewater facilities.

[1:44:55] So

[1:44:58] again, appreciate Ryan and his group uh

[1:45:01] all they do to to keep the facility

[1:45:04] running and the the flow

[1:45:08] going uninterrupted down to the

[1:45:10] treatment facility and doing their jobs

[1:45:12] out of sight, out of mind.

[1:45:14] >> Thanks Rita. Thank you.

[1:45:15] >> I was going to

[1:45:16] >> you can flush the confidence as you say.

[1:45:19] >> We we really do have an exceptional team

[1:45:22] and and planning program. I mean, Chris

[1:45:25] and I were just hearing from um someone

[1:45:28] on the Tiffan sewer board that they

[1:45:32] they're looking at even bigger uh cost

[1:45:35] impacts for improvements that they need

[1:45:37] to do. So the fact that forum just done

[1:45:40] such a good job for such a long period

[1:45:42] of time of being sophisticated, planning

[1:45:45] ahead and and doing improvements over

[1:45:48] time.

[1:45:50] Although we have more to go uh in the

[1:45:52] near future, we are in a much better

[1:45:55] spot relative to our neighbors.

[1:46:00] >> Thank you.

[1:46:00] >> You've been a great a great audience

[1:46:02] today.

[1:46:04] >> Dazzled and dazzled. Thanks, Reed.

[1:46:07] You're welcome.

[1:46:08] >> Our next razledazzle is going to be um

[1:46:11] Gary Mcan, our community development

[1:46:13] director. Blood damage prevention

[1:46:15] amendments to chapter 10 of the ORM city

[1:46:18] code. It's for 10 minutes, five minute

[1:46:21] presentation. Five minute.

[1:46:36] Should

[1:46:39] I try

[1:46:50] to

[1:46:54] Is she in Dubai?

[1:46:57] I think she didn't want to be here for

[1:46:58] the first part.

[1:47:02] Be sure she was Oh, that's right. She

[1:47:04] was only in something.

[1:47:06] That's Dr. Park.

[1:47:10] That's she can't stay. That's one of the

[1:47:14] millions.

[1:47:15] >> What time must

[1:47:18] >> she's still stuck on Utah time?

[1:47:21] >> Well, that's not

[1:47:26] » I can smell that picture.

[1:47:31] » Yeah.

[1:47:38] just some

[1:47:41] young man.

[1:47:43] >> Okay, we're going to talk about uh

[1:47:46] our uh FEMA map or not our FEMA map but

[1:47:50] our uh flood damage prevention. uh we

[1:47:53] have to do an update to chapter 10 of

[1:47:55] our code. And

[1:47:58] so it's the National Flood Insurance

[1:48:02] Program that we're dealing with. And

[1:48:04] flooding in Utah is actually the most

[1:48:07] destructive and common natural disaster

[1:48:09] we have. There's more dam property

[1:48:12] damage every year, year in year out from

[1:48:15] flooding than there is anything else

[1:48:17] that we have.

[1:48:19] And this is from the state, but it's a

[1:48:21] weird kind of stat statistic. So 60%

[1:48:26] of all Utah properties have a 25% chance

[1:48:31] of flooding during their 30y year

[1:48:34] mortgage.

[1:48:39] I had a I've had I've been in my house

[1:48:42] 22 years. I've had two floods

[1:48:45] and I don't live anywhere near a creek

[1:48:49] or anything like that. They both have h

[1:48:52] one happened with a micro burst and one

[1:48:56] actually was uh the spigot on the

[1:49:00] outside of my house.

[1:49:03] Luckily

[1:49:05] where it broke was on the inside of the

[1:49:07] house on the inside the wall because

[1:49:09] then insurance covered it. We'll get

[1:49:11] into that. That'll be really important.

[1:49:13] If it had broken on the outside of the

[1:49:16] house and flooding from that came into

[1:49:20] my house, I would not have been covered

[1:49:22] by insurance. So, uh, and 40% of all the

[1:49:28] damage in Utah happens outside of their

[1:49:31] high-risisk zones.

[1:49:34] So, it doesn't even happen that you'd

[1:49:35] think along the river or next to the

[1:49:38] lake, something like that.

[1:49:41] Okay. So, the National Flood Insurance

[1:49:44] Program was established back in the 60s

[1:49:48] and what it does is it provides

[1:49:51] federally backed flood insurance for us

[1:49:55] and it tries also to reduce damage from

[1:49:59] floods through uh mitigation and flood

[1:50:02] plane management.

[1:50:04] So

[1:50:07] we have uh there's a voluntary federal

[1:50:12] local partnership with this and

[1:50:16] we have to to access

[1:50:21] federal flood insurance rates and get

[1:50:25] mitigation grants and disaster

[1:50:28] assistance.

[1:50:31] We have to have an ordinance that's

[1:50:33] approved by uh the federal government. And we've

[1:50:40] had an ordinance since the 80s.

[1:50:48] » One of the most popular.

[1:50:50] >> Oh,

[1:50:52] use that as a

[1:50:54] >> I didn't know Duran Duran would come in

[1:50:57] today.

[1:50:59] >> What are they? What are the chances?

[1:51:00] >> What are the chances of that happening?

[1:51:02] Well,

[1:51:04] >> 16%

[1:51:07] of of Yeah,

[1:51:12] » that must have been a long time ago.

[1:51:17] » At about the same time water was

[1:51:19] invented.

[1:51:23] So, so we have a current flood plane

[1:51:26] ordinance dealing with all of this and

[1:51:29] we have to have this ordinance that's

[1:51:30] approved and authorized by the federal

[1:51:33] government for us to access these

[1:51:36] benefits. And the reason why we're we

[1:51:40] have to do an update is uh there have

[1:51:44] been some changes. In June of 2024, they

[1:51:47] updated their maps and the original maps

[1:51:51] were kind of old. A lot of things have

[1:51:53] happened since then. Uh the changing

[1:51:55] flood risks. There's been some

[1:51:58] advancements in how we map and do

[1:52:01] things. Uh also Utah Lake shoreline has

[1:52:05] changed. So because of that, everything

[1:52:08] in our region uh has to be dealt with.

[1:52:12] And also there are some uncertified

[1:52:14] leveies out there and they're mostly in

[1:52:17] and uh Provo during the floods of 83

[1:52:21] Provo constructed levies but they were

[1:52:24] not Army Corps of Engineers certified

[1:52:27] and that creates some unique

[1:52:30] difficulties for any community that has

[1:52:34] something like that. So updating the

[1:52:37] maps now

[1:52:40] 40% of all flood claims come from uh

[1:52:44] moderate to low risk areas and standard

[1:52:48] home ownership insurance or homeowners

[1:52:52] insurance does not cover flood damage.

[1:52:55] So, back to my example, if it had been a

[1:52:58] flood that came in from the outside,

[1:53:01] uh, my insurance

[1:53:03] wouldn't have covered it or that it

[1:53:05] would have been a very limited cover

[1:53:07] >> and I would have been stuck with the

[1:53:09] remainder since it wasn't technically a

[1:53:13] flood, but it happened inside my house.

[1:53:16] They insurance covered it and the bill

[1:53:20] and this just happened a couple of

[1:53:21] months ago was over $12,000 to take care

[1:53:25] of the damage. But if it'd been from

[1:53:28] water from the outside, I would have

[1:53:31] been on the hook for all of that. In the

[1:53:33] micro burst about 15 years ago, I had

[1:53:37] one room flood because of a micro burst

[1:53:40] and I didn't even make a claim and I

[1:53:43] just covered it all because I didn't

[1:53:46] have have uh uh flood insurance. Now the national flood insurance program is

[1:53:54] available to all or residents. our

[1:53:58] application deadline. I have here June

[1:54:00] 23rd, but the mayor gave me a letter at

[1:54:03] the beginning of this meeting where uh

[1:54:06] FEMA, we were kind of wondering about

[1:54:08] this. Uh they've extended the deadline

[1:54:11] to August for us to adopt uh our

[1:54:14] ordinance. Our ordinance goes in

[1:54:17] updates. Uh it it we're using the

[1:54:20] standard template they have. It's it's

[1:54:23] really if we don't

[1:54:27] uh enact their ordinance,

[1:54:30] we're not included in the flood plane

[1:54:33] program and their our ordinance has to

[1:54:36] be compliant with what they do. So the

[1:54:39] best thing to do is just use it. So it

[1:54:42] won't be a major change or shift. Uh we

[1:54:45] basically have requirements in the flood

[1:54:48] plane zone of what people can and cannot

[1:54:52] do. Uh how the habitable floor area has

[1:54:57] to be above the base flood plane

[1:55:01] elevation level plus a foot and those

[1:55:05] that's kind of a best practice to do. So

[1:55:09] you'll be seeing this it's not on your

[1:55:10] agenda tonight but that will be coming

[1:55:12] back. uh wanted to give it uh put it on

[1:55:16] in case you had some questions that came

[1:55:20] up, you know, let me know about this

[1:55:22] here in the next month or so as this

[1:55:25] works its way back to you. And uh that's

[1:55:29] it. So any questions about flood planes?

[1:55:35] >> Okay.

[1:55:37] Thank you.

[1:55:37] >> Thank you.

[1:55:39] All right. Um, our dinner's ready. So,

[1:55:42] we're going to take a little break for

[1:55:44] dinner before um Aaron Mcnite, our

[1:55:47] assistant city attorney, gives his his

[1:55:49] presentation and we have some

[1:55:50] discussion. I've asked Quinn if he would

[1:55:53] offer a blessing on the food.

[1:55:57] » Who's hungry like the wolf?

[1:55:59] >> Hungry like the

[1:56:05] Are you ready?

[1:56:09] Our

[1:56:12] heavenly father, we're grateful um for

[1:56:14] the chance we have to serve uh in this

[1:56:16] capacity in the city for the marvelous

[1:56:19] people who serve or residents and

[1:56:23] thought that goes into important

[1:56:25] decisions and ask um blessing on the

[1:56:29] food. We're grateful for it. Grateful uh

[1:56:32] for the chance to eat the name of Jesus

[1:56:34] Christ. Amen.

[1:56:36] >> Amen.

[1:56:36] >> Thank you.

[1:56:39] ever.

[1:56:50] » I'm guessing

[2:04:02] improvement team and parking posts

[2:04:05] 30 minutes uh 15 minutes presentation 15

[2:04:08] minutes

[2:04:10] to Aaron Mcnite our assistant city

[2:04:12] attorney. Thank you. Thank you mayor.

[2:04:14] Last time when I was here, I

[2:04:18] regarding it first and fourth time

[2:04:24] enforces and

[2:04:26] we can

[2:04:28] explain the matrices last time and some

[2:04:31] policy changes some

[2:04:34] changes

[2:04:36] enforcement more efficient and fair.

[2:04:40] Tonight we're gonna talk about code

[2:04:42] changes since it's uh always including

[2:04:47] at a later city council meeting have to

[2:04:49] go through planning commission and then we'll bring it back meeting but we

[2:04:54] wanted for a vote but wanted to go over

[2:04:56] them in a work meeting

[2:04:58] kind of some of the immediate code

[2:05:00] changes that we want to make related to

[2:05:03] the code enforcement and again

[2:05:06] three code enforcement and parking are

[2:05:09] separate teams

[2:05:10] that are separate ordinances for

[2:05:13] enforcement different mechanisms. So,

[2:05:16] we're treating them different although

[2:05:18] in many people's eyes they're the same

[2:05:20] in many uh citizens eyes as far as

[2:05:25] goes.

[2:05:27] Some immediate code enforcement changes,

[2:05:30] neighborhood improvement code

[2:05:31] enforcement changes that we're going to

[2:05:32] make are to allow an unregistered

[2:05:35] vehicle in a driveway. Currently, our

[2:05:37] code does not allow that. You have an

[2:05:40] unregistered vehicle, you can keep it in

[2:05:41] your garage. You can keep up to two of

[2:05:44] them in your backyard behind a side

[2:05:45] obscuring fence. Uh but there's been

[2:05:48] some consensus that allowing one in a

[2:05:50] driveway, uh would also be

[2:05:54] allowed uh to allow for people who may

[2:05:57] not have room in their garage, may not

[2:05:59] have a garage, whatever, uh but still

[2:06:02] might for whatever reason want to have

[2:06:04] unregistered vehicle. uh in a

[2:06:07] neighborhood.

[2:06:08] Uh in conjunction with that, we would

[2:06:10] allow one inoperable vehicle in a

[2:06:14] driveway as long as it's covered by a

[2:06:15] vehicle cover and there aren't any junk

[2:06:17] part junk flat tire

[2:06:20] uh suspension or jacks or other visible

[2:06:23] body damage that makes it look old and

[2:06:26] crashy. So, if if you want to be working

[2:06:28] on a vehicle, got one that you uh

[2:06:32] restoring, you'll be allowed to do that

[2:06:35] and keep it in your driveway as long as

[2:06:38] while you're not working on it, it's

[2:06:39] clean and neat and covered, keep the

[2:06:43] neighborhood looking nice.

[2:06:46] So, those are some kind of concessions

[2:06:48] in terms of uh being more more lenient

[2:06:52] and allowing for some more wiggle room

[2:06:53] for people uh to use their property.

[2:06:57] Some things that we want to do to create

[2:07:01] more clarity is explicitly uh state that

[2:07:06] there is no parking on a residential lot

[2:07:09] except for in the driveway or the park.

[2:07:11] Don't be kind of that.

[2:07:13] >> What's a parking strip? I I picture it

[2:07:15] between the curb and the the sidewalk

[2:07:17] and the curb.

[2:07:18] >> And that's a good question. There's a very specific legal definition

[2:07:22] for a parking strip. So you're you're

[2:07:24] thinking a park strip. This is a gravel

[2:07:27] parking strip. Gotcha. And there's a

[2:07:29] specific regulation in our code that

[2:07:30] says is we used to only allow you to

[2:07:34] park on a paved driveway. It was either

[2:07:37] concrete, asphalt, or paving stones.

[2:07:40] >> Okay?

[2:07:40] >> And that could be expensive. So we

[2:07:42] created a a new

[2:07:45] space that allows for gravel strip where

[2:07:48] people can park that's adjacent to

[2:07:51] driveway.

[2:07:52] >> I was thinking park strip.

[2:07:54] Yeah. So this is specifically for that

[2:07:56] and the total will refer to that topic

[2:07:58] section just to make that clear for

[2:08:00] everyone and we're not that that is what

[2:08:03] we're going for here is clarity and not

[2:08:06] >> and that's the 4 in of gravel

[2:08:08] >> that's 4 in of gravel that that is

[2:08:11] required under that regulation. Yes. I

[2:08:12] don't know to what extent all gravel

[2:08:15] parking strips in in the city are are

[2:08:17] reported as deep. But yes, um

[2:08:21] anyway, that's in there because NIT will

[2:08:24] often get into arguments about current regulation is you can't park

[2:08:28] where landscaping is required. And so

[2:08:30] people will park on their grass. They

[2:08:33] say they'll say, "Well, there is

[2:08:34] landscaping there, but it's not required

[2:08:35] to be there because I only have to have

[2:08:37] up to 60% of my or landscaped in it."

[2:08:40] Anyway, we just want to make it clear,

[2:08:43] work on your driveway, not on your

[2:08:44] grass.

[2:08:46] Um,

[2:08:48] let's see here.

[2:08:50] Currently, uh, there's a city code that

[2:08:54] allows the city to vegetation that's

[2:08:56] obstructing

[2:08:58] the sidewalk or the road. uh want to

[2:09:02] expand that to allow city to remove

[2:09:04] vegetation and for it to be a nuisance

[2:09:06] that NIT can address through our uh code

[2:09:10] enforcement processes the vegetation

[2:09:12] that's obstructing traffic control

[2:09:14] signals and devices. So, if there's a

[2:09:16] tree that's grown over a stop sign, so

[2:09:18] people can't see that there's a stop

[2:09:19] sign or a speed limit sign or whatever,

[2:09:22] uh, along if it's under that definition

[2:09:25] of traffic control signal intervice,

[2:09:27] then would be allowed to go in and cut

[2:09:29] that back or the property owner to do

[2:09:31] that. We are going to in uh increase

[2:09:36] fines for repeat offenders. And this is

[2:09:38] targeted mainly um at situations where

[2:09:42] uh it's more financially

[2:09:48] it makes sense financially for a person

[2:09:50] to just pay the fine every day and keep

[2:09:53] engaging in the illegal activity on

[2:09:55] their property then they come into

[2:09:57] compliance. Right? So, a possibly common

[2:10:01] example, we've seen this come up a

[2:10:03] couple of times, is where people are

[2:10:05] renting their home out to more than

[2:10:07] three unrelated people and uh they get

[2:10:12] the code violation. They're ordered to

[2:10:13] pay the $50 a day, but they're actually

[2:10:17] making more than the $50 a day. So, it's

[2:10:19] more advantageous for them to just come

[2:10:20] and give fines, keep renting it out,

[2:10:24] right? or or what we've actually seen

[2:10:27] more often is they get they get ticketed

[2:10:30] for it,

[2:10:33] they kick out the extra tenants that

[2:10:35] they have that they shouldn't have and

[2:10:37] then six months later they they fill up

[2:10:41] their house with a bunch of tenants

[2:10:43] needing the cap again and it just turns

[2:10:45] into this revolving thing where they're

[2:10:47] willing to pay that risk because the

[2:10:48] fines are low enough that it makes sense

[2:10:50] financially for them to do that. So

[2:10:53] that's that's the rationale behind that.

[2:10:55] And then there are a couple of um

[2:11:00] things that commonly happen in the city.

[2:11:02] Those last four things, illegal home

[2:11:03] occupation, storage pods, snow removal,

[2:11:06] and storing things and having junk in

[2:11:09] vacant lots. Those are all technically

[2:11:12] already nuisances under the city code.

[2:11:14] We just want to make it more explicit

[2:11:16] again so that um NIT doesn't have to

[2:11:22] get into the same type of arguments that

[2:11:24] they do with homeowners when they're

[2:11:25] trying to enforce on those things

[2:11:26] because

[2:11:29] that that can delay coming into

[2:11:31] compliance. And I saw your hand. Let me

[2:11:33] just explain one more thing and that is

[2:11:37] when I say that they're

[2:11:39] currently already nuisances in their

[2:11:41] code. They are the way that um for

[2:11:44] example uh just just as an example that

[2:11:48] you're familiar with the way short-term

[2:11:49] rentals are currently permitted under

[2:11:51] the code, right? Currently they're not

[2:11:54] permitted. Um but it's not explicitly stated you can't do

[2:12:02] this. It's in the use table for people

[2:12:05] to find and that kind of a thing. And so

[2:12:07] we we just want to make explicit. Well,

[2:12:09] that would be my because of the

[2:12:12] short-term rental conversation we had

[2:12:13] earlier. Um, we do have problems with

[2:12:17] legal home occupations, you know,

[2:12:19] excessive occupancies.

[2:12:22] Um, I would actually like

[2:12:29] um landlord

[2:12:36] is there. I know a lot in particular

[2:12:38] that we were shut down by you guys doing

[2:12:41] the exact same thing.

[2:12:43] So I don't know how we would go about

[2:12:45] doing something like that. Is anybody

[2:12:46] want to explore that?

[2:12:48] >> Um I I can look into that. I'm just off

[2:12:52] of the top of my head

[2:12:54] there may be

[2:12:57] a landlord license if they're not in

[2:13:01] compliance with our code. You haven't

[2:13:03] ever rekindled it that way. I think you

[2:13:06] connected me already.

[2:13:09] >> I know. I know. You set it down. You

[2:13:13] got it down. Just got a text from the

[2:13:17] call from

[2:13:19] they're back at it.

[2:13:21] They're doing written top and bottom

[2:13:23] again.

[2:13:24] >> So, I don't know. Just while we're going

[2:13:27] through this, if we think of a way to

[2:13:30] that's already in our code, let's figure

[2:13:31] out how to give it to our nit.

[2:13:33] >> Yeah. Can I can I look into that and

[2:13:35] research a little bit? Maybe get back to

[2:13:36] you on

[2:13:39] >> I think a mechanism already exists where

[2:13:41] we can rental dwelling license

[2:13:47] and

[2:13:50] um again we we haven't handled that way.

[2:13:53] We've handled it through the NIT way or

[2:13:55] through the administrative law judge.

[2:13:58] But, uh,

[2:14:00] I appreciate you bringing that up

[2:14:02] because that that could be another way

[2:14:04] to help us gain clients in those sorts

[2:14:06] of situations.

[2:14:07] >> Councilman,

[2:14:09] >> um, I just, uh, wanted clarification on

[2:14:12] snow removal. Is that removing snow from

[2:14:14] your property? And what is that?

[2:14:15] >> Um, that is clearing off the sidewalk.

[2:14:19] >> Making sure that your sidewalk is

[2:14:20] cleared.

[2:14:21] >> Yeah. Yeah. Just making sure it's clear

[2:14:28] » driveways too and sidewalk

[2:14:30] >> just the sidewalks. Yeah, we wouldn't

[2:14:31] be, you know, regulate the driveways.

[2:14:36] I guess that's that's great. But our

[2:14:39] main concern is keeping it off the

[2:14:40] sidewalk so that people can access it.

[2:14:44] And then just a question I have for

[2:14:45] those who are not physically capable

[2:14:48] because of age and permit whatever else

[2:14:50] to do the snow removal. Is there a

[2:14:52] mechanism for neighborhood groups or

[2:14:55] others to be aware and try and help any

[2:14:57] kinds of that would be just the thought

[2:15:00] that I would want to make sure that we

[2:15:02] have an awareness

[2:15:05] I know want to help

[2:15:08] struggles.

[2:15:14] I think it would be good to kind of

[2:15:15] brainstorm some ways to address that.

[2:15:18] Another common issue I think might be,

[2:15:19] you know, someone's out of town

[2:15:22] for a week and it snows.

[2:15:25] How do we deal with that? Maybe maybe

[2:15:27] the answer is the city removable and I I

[2:15:32] don't know administratively. I'm not

[2:15:35] sure that public works that that's

[2:15:37] doable.

[2:15:37] >> It's too much. And so

[2:15:39] >> really it results in if someone was

[2:15:41] injured because of the snow not having

[2:15:46] you know that's that's a whole different

[2:15:48] area

[2:15:49] >> and I would also say

[2:15:52] or

[2:15:55] enforcement

[2:15:58] that

[2:16:05] we probably end up in a situation where

[2:16:06] they wouldn't get fined anyway. Okay.

[2:16:09] >> Terms of exercising discretion

[2:16:12] uh to enforce it. This is more for

[2:16:14] people who are just they can and they

[2:16:17] don't care.

[2:16:19] >> And we could enjoy some of the same

[2:16:21] connections with hometown United Way.

[2:16:29] » I know they would all want.

[2:16:31] >> Yeah. for

[2:16:33] ways to serve your

[2:16:39] money.

[2:16:41] >> No,

[2:16:46] like I say, out of town, that's an

[2:16:48] issue. Out of town long term, I I would

[2:16:52] hope that they would

[2:16:53] >> the neighbor boy,

[2:16:54] >> right? I I would hope that if you're

[2:16:56] leaving for an extended period that you

[2:16:58] would be a responsible property owner

[2:17:01] and make decisions for

[2:17:04] taking, right? It would be the same

[2:17:07] thing if you're out of town long term

[2:17:08] over the summer and you need someone to

[2:17:10] mow your lawn.

[2:17:18] » And then we've got some parking parking

[2:17:20] changes uh that we want to implement as

[2:17:23] well.

[2:17:25] Something that came specifically from

[2:17:26] the council during discussions regarding

[2:17:28] this was that we wanted currently our

[2:17:31] code does not allow any vehicle to be

[2:17:33] parked on the street sale and there is a

[2:17:37] consensus that we wanted to allow people

[2:17:39] to be able to park a vehicle for sale on

[2:17:42] the the front of their house.

[2:17:47] There was also an issue in terms of how far does a person have to move

[2:17:53] uh their vehicle or in specifically a

[2:17:56] recreational vehicle, a boat or a

[2:17:58] trailer uh after 70 72-hour period limit

[2:18:03] that we have. Some people are moving it

[2:18:06] 6 in and saying, "Well, that's good. I

[2:18:07] move."

[2:18:09] >> So, we wanted to put in

[2:18:11] >> a specific distance. You got to move it

[2:18:14] at least 200 feet a little ways down the

[2:18:16] block every 72 hours. Again, this is aimed at keeping people from

[2:18:22] storing their boats, trailers, and RVs

[2:18:24] and stuff on the street. That's not

[2:18:27] something we want in our neighborhoods.

[2:18:29] But, uh, again, increased fines for

[2:18:31] repeat offenders. Along the same lines,

[2:18:34] our our fine for parking is $25

[2:18:39] for legal parking. Um, which is much

[2:18:42] less than say a parking pass at one of

[2:18:44] these apartment buildings down by UV.

[2:18:47] And so a lot of people will just break

[2:18:49] the parking regulations down there and

[2:18:53] figure that, hey, if as long as I only

[2:18:54] get two or three tickets a month, that's

[2:18:56] cheaper than the actual parking pass.

[2:18:58] And so we're we're increasing compliance

[2:19:00] for the vendors to avoid that kind of

[2:19:02] Yeah. And also people just ignoring and

[2:19:08] maybe need a louder.

[2:19:12] >> Is there an escalation process all those

[2:19:15] things? Um I I don't know that we're

[2:19:18] planning on booting or towing per se. Uh

[2:19:21] except for in cases of abandoned

[2:19:22] vehicles. Um yeah, just escalating the

[2:19:26] fines

[2:19:28] at this point.

[2:19:31] >> This has not really anything to do with

[2:19:33] the parking code changes, but the car

[2:19:35] dealership.

[2:19:37] Uh, I got a complaint from someone about

[2:19:40] car dealers, people who are transporting

[2:19:43] cars to car dealerships and they park in

[2:19:45] the middle of State Street.

[2:19:47] >> Yes.

[2:19:48] >> I know. I I know. I near literally

[2:19:51] nearly killed somebody at 9 and Lynon on

[2:19:55] was standing out in the road black and

[2:19:57] anyway,

[2:19:59] >> but are there is there are there laws to

[2:20:02] pre to prohibit that? And we've been

[2:20:05] trying to educate the dealerships and

[2:20:07] the hundreds of

[2:20:11] >> drivers that are

[2:20:14] >> so

[2:20:15] >> they just don't want someone killed

[2:20:17] >> process.

[2:20:18] >> Yeah,

[2:20:18] >> it has been something we've done greater

[2:20:21] amount of focus on over the last several

[2:20:24] months and we have seen real progress.

[2:20:27] >> Thank you.

[2:20:28] >> In or

[2:20:29] >> Thank you. Can I add the one thing your

[2:20:33] first one? Yes.

[2:20:34] >> To avoid a loophole from someone just

[2:20:36] parking their RV in front of their house

[2:20:38] with a for sale sign in it. Can you put

[2:20:40] a timeline on that?

[2:20:44] >> Yes. Yes. Well,

[2:20:46] >> I don't know. What would you recommend?

[2:20:49] >> I would say that parking an RV in front

[2:20:51] of the house for 72 hours or longer

[2:20:54] or would still be subject to the 72-hour

[2:20:57] limit, right? Even if it is for sale,

[2:20:59] >> it's not you can't park it in front of

[2:21:01] your house for sale and those those

[2:21:06] 72-hour limits would still apply.

[2:21:07] >> Okay.

[2:21:08] >> Yeah.

[2:21:13] » So far, all of the code changes that

[2:21:14] I've talked about tonight, we've

[2:21:17] discussed in our

[2:21:19] >> committee meetings. The last two we

[2:21:21] haven't, but they came up um as as after

[2:21:26] I've been speaking with staff and uh one

[2:21:29] issue is that people are parking in our

[2:21:31] city parks and using it as using them as

[2:21:34] parking lots. Uh sometimes storing their

[2:21:36] RVs because again

[2:21:39] parks can be in a street for longer than

[2:21:41] 72 hours, but there's nothing about

[2:21:43] parking it in a city parking lot. And so

[2:21:46] they would like to see a code change

[2:21:48] that that uh basically enforces park for

[2:21:52] you but also for cars. Uh if and the

[2:21:56] rationale there again is if if you can't

[2:21:59] physically be in the park, your car

[2:22:00] probably shouldn't be in the park

[2:22:01] either. It's not a park a storage

[2:22:04] parking lot for people as as they've

[2:22:06] been treated. And then the other one is

[2:22:09] a big problem is having car dealerships

[2:22:12] park uh the car that they have for sale

[2:22:14] on the public streets and really

[2:22:16] clogging things up and making it

[2:22:18] difficult to park. So they staff would

[2:22:22] also like to see an ordinance indicating

[2:22:24] that car dealerships cannot park their

[2:22:26] inventory on public streets. It needs to

[2:22:29] be on their lot.

[2:22:32] And the has to be paved.

[2:22:34] >> Still has to meet the paving

[2:22:35] requirements.

[2:22:36] >> They would Yeah. There there are site

[2:22:38] plans and and and other ordinances that

[2:22:40] would say, "Hey, you can't park on

[2:22:42] landscaping

[2:22:43] on their lot."

[2:22:45] >> Okay.

[2:22:45] >> So, when when I say lot, I don't mean

[2:22:47] their parcel of land. I mean on their

[2:22:51] part of their their ship.

[2:22:54] So, uh are there any concerns with those

[2:22:57] changes?

[2:23:02] And then lastly, there are some other

[2:23:04] ones that we discussed.

[2:23:06] Uh

[2:23:09] making exceptions for large circular

[2:23:11] driveways to the landscaping rules,

[2:23:14] making rules regarding carports, that's

[2:23:16] how they need to be presented. Food

[2:23:18] trucks are a big issue and that's going

[2:23:21] to require a fairly heavy lift. And then

[2:23:23] wrinkle disclosures for landlords help

[2:23:27] with our occupancy enforcement. Those

[2:23:29] are all kind of future code things.

[2:23:32] These will not be presented uh in the

[2:23:34] next month or two to the planning

[2:23:36] commission, city council, but are kind

[2:23:37] of projects that will be coming down the

[2:23:40] road um in the next

[2:23:43] in the coming year or two. And

[2:23:49] » so any questions about any of that?

[2:23:52] >> Ask one quick thing. So rental

[2:23:54] disclosures are you is that going to

[2:23:57] encompass our desire to down on

[2:23:59] long-term rentals?

[2:24:02] >> Yeah, that that's directed mainly at at

[2:24:04] long-term rentals. Uh that was an idea

[2:24:08] brought brought forward by Gary where

[2:24:10] Provo requires rental disclosures to

[2:24:12] help help enforce their occupancy laws.

[2:24:16] Uh and they have similar struggles the

[2:24:19] way we do with being a college town and

[2:24:21] all that kind of thing. and the rental

[2:24:23] disclosures helped uh part of why this

[2:24:27] is being kicked down the road a little

[2:24:28] bit. It is that it's

[2:24:32] administratively in terms of enforcing

[2:24:34] it

[2:24:37] all those

[2:24:41] » remind me what our current situation is

[2:24:43] with food trucks. You said that was a

[2:24:45] and they're just they're everywhere

[2:24:47] popping up.

[2:24:48] >> Yeah. they have anything?

[2:24:51] >> We currently have we we currently have a

[2:24:53] code on

[2:24:56] uh food trucks. I'm not super familiar

[2:24:58] with it, but I do know that is that it's

[2:25:01] fairly unworkable,

[2:25:05] meaning

[2:25:08] one one provision of it, for example, is

[2:25:09] that a food truck cannot remain in any

[2:25:11] one place for longer than five hours.

[2:25:13] And that's just not how food trucks are

[2:25:15] currently working.

[2:25:17] Uh and and and and it led at least one

[2:25:22] situation a food truck to be like, "Oh,

[2:25:24] okay. Well, I'm going to remove the

[2:25:27] wheels on my food truck and put it on

[2:25:29] blocks and then it won't be a mobile

[2:25:30] vendor anymore. It's a permanent vendor

[2:25:32] and now I can stay here indefinitely."

[2:25:34] And

[2:25:35] >> that's not really okay either. That that

[2:25:37] that's worse.

[2:25:39] So anyway,

[2:25:44] uh

[2:25:45] that's that's an ordinance that is just

[2:25:48] going to take a lot of thought. I think

[2:25:50] we're going to want to get a lot of

[2:25:52] input from the industry as well. Allah

[2:25:55] short-term rentals will be input from

[2:25:58] kind of all sides and drafting an

[2:26:02] ordinance that makes sense and is

[2:26:04] enforceable and

[2:26:05] >> it's about so they know so they can just

[2:26:08] know what they're allowed to do. A lot

[2:26:10] of them just want to do

[2:26:15] » Yeah. Well, and it's unfortunate because

[2:26:17] I I think you know there are probably

[2:26:18] some who want to do the right thing and

[2:26:20] we have an ordinance. The right thing is

[2:26:22] to follow that. Uh but there are a lot

[2:26:25] that don't follow it and don't care and part part of the reason is because

[2:26:30] it's difficult to enforce part of it is

[2:26:33] because it's maybe unreasonable to

[2:26:35] enforce on any we ask I guess. So

[2:26:38] >> do we collect taxes from them?

[2:26:42] >> So sales tax to wherever their home base

[2:26:47] stays. Really? That's right.

[2:26:49] >> That's not good because they're

[2:26:51] competing with our restaurants here.

[2:26:57] Can I don't

[2:27:02] » All right. Thank you,

[2:27:03] >> Jar. Appreciate it.

[2:27:06] >> All right.

[2:27:08] >> So, now we have item two on our agenda,

[2:27:12] uh, C city council reports. And Bistol,

[2:27:16] >> I Yeah. So, I cover four different

[2:27:20] areas. um public works advisory

[2:27:23] commission rock and party you were there

[2:27:26] so that was awesome.

[2:27:29] >> Yes, it's always a good

[2:27:31] party and I think you know the

[2:27:34] >> little bit of

[2:27:37] >> the transportation utility fee is

[2:27:39] probably the biggest thing that public

[2:27:41] works has been talking about the last

[2:27:44] little bit. Um

[2:27:47] anything you'd want to add there?

[2:27:50] Yeah, it's at the forefront of our

[2:27:51] efforts right now and um we're excited

[2:27:54] to

[2:27:56] be making an announcement shortly

[2:27:57] regarding a new public that we will help

[2:28:01] those efforts.

[2:28:02] >> That's another big thing you do.

[2:28:04] >> Yeah. And so I appreci

[2:28:08] to interview and it's been a been a long

[2:28:11] effort but going to be worth it.

[2:28:15] Yeah, Chris invited me to sit on the

[2:28:17] interviews for that and be part of that

[2:28:18] panel and I enjoyed being a part of that

[2:28:20] process. That was great.

[2:28:21] >> Um, events commission is another one

[2:28:23] that Jeff and I serve on and our big

[2:28:26] event of the year is coming up with uh

[2:28:28] ORMFest. So, we're excited to see all

[2:28:32] those laborers come to pass and have a

[2:28:34] great celebration for ORM. It's always a

[2:28:36] fantastic week. Um, I also serve in the

[2:28:38] ORM Youth Council, uh, with Chris and we

[2:28:41] just wrapped that up last month for the

[2:28:44] school year. Um, the kids all loved

[2:28:47] being a part of that and really enjoyed

[2:28:49] their time. So, I'm excited to see the

[2:28:51] new kids coming in in the new school

[2:28:52] year. I've had a couple emails from

[2:28:55] >> um,

[2:28:58] >> participants in the Miss ORM teen

[2:29:01] project where I had talked to them about

[2:29:03] the ORM youth council. They didn't know

[2:29:04] that was a thing. So they they were

[2:29:06] excited to try and participate in that

[2:29:08] coming year. I'm also I serve with the

[2:29:11] legislative policy committee for ULC and

[2:29:14] we've had a little bit of a break since

[2:29:16] um the legislative session ended and the

[2:29:20] St. George thing. Um so that'll be

[2:29:22] starting up again this next month and

[2:29:24] I'm excited to see what's going on in

[2:29:26] the interim sessions.

[2:29:29] >> About it.

[2:29:30] >> Thank you. Thank you for for your

[2:29:32] service on those different boards and

[2:29:34] commissions and for the update. All

[2:29:36] right, this evening's agenda we have

[2:29:41] uh it says just so you know the

[2:29:43] invocation and this racial thought and

[2:29:46] says invitation I got that covered on

[2:29:49] that. I I just didn't have names by the

[2:29:52] time it holiday weekend and Teresa

[2:29:54] needed to get that out. We do have some

[2:29:58] presentations. We have Representative

[2:30:00] Nelson Abbott coming to present. We have

[2:30:03] the natural resources advisory

[2:30:06] commission awards. We have the Ormfest

[2:30:08] kickoff

[2:30:10] coming up. We have our summer reading

[2:30:12] program

[2:30:13] uh from the library and then the Miss

[2:30:15] Orm introductions and so we'll we will

[2:30:18] have that time and then we will also

[2:30:21] have a presentation a police autism

[2:30:23] picnic. After that, personal appearances

[2:30:26] against one consent item is to update

[2:30:29] the city council 2026 agenda. Trace has

[2:30:32] sent that out. Some updates on that. And

[2:30:37] then the scheduled items

[2:30:40] presentation. This one doesn't require a

[2:30:41] vote. This one, as I understand, is

[2:30:43] information only. It's community

[2:30:46] development block grant updated annual

[2:30:48] action plan and proposed budget.

[2:30:50] And then we do have a public hearing

[2:30:52] after that amending a number of articles

[2:30:55] in our city code relating to the powers

[2:30:57] and duties of the planning division

[2:30:59] special exceptions. So do you have any

[2:31:02] questions? Do you want to ask about that

[2:31:04] in here or because Jared Jared is going

[2:31:06] to be Paul is be presenting that but

[2:31:09] looks like it's moving things from the

[2:31:10] board of adjustment over to the planning

[2:31:12] commission pretty much and

[2:31:16] some things. And then we have

[2:31:18] >> can I just ask quickly how I was there

[2:31:22] when that was that logic was presented

[2:31:23] to client commission but it would be

[2:31:24] worth I think just two sentence version

[2:31:26] of of logic.

[2:31:29] Yes, there's a under a specific type of

[2:31:34] development where if you have a single

[2:31:37] family home that's almost completely

[2:31:40] surrounded by a higher density, uh there

[2:31:44] isn't a path for you to go and get a

[2:31:49] premium. you have to go to the board of

[2:31:52] adjustment

[2:31:54] to for them to make a determination and

[2:31:57] then it comes back to planning

[2:31:58] commission to basically make a very

[2:32:00] similar determination and it just seemed

[2:32:04] really

[2:32:05] redundant and inefficient to do it that

[2:32:07] way when planning to be looking at it

[2:32:10] from a much broader perspective anyway.

[2:32:13] >> Okay.

[2:32:14] So, thank you. So, that's going to

[2:32:16] be a public hearing. And let me I won't

[2:32:19] put your husband on the spot if he was

[2:32:26] a good sport.

[2:32:28] Then we have another uh public hearing

[2:32:30] and ordinance amending our zoning

[2:32:31] ordinance, our zoning map over the old

[2:32:34] central Utah water conservancy district

[2:32:37] properties over on University Parkway

[2:32:41] from R8 single family residential to C2

[2:32:44] along with the development agreement and

[2:32:46] the development agreement it's the it

[2:32:50] actually has a list of uses that would

[2:32:52] not be allowed on there including gas

[2:32:55] stations

[2:32:57] like that. So that appears to be our

[2:33:00] agenda this this evening and then oh we

[2:33:04] cannot forget our esteemed city manager.

[2:33:06] He will have some information items and

[2:33:08] then we will adjourn.

[2:33:11] So that's and look at the oh look at the

[2:33:14] time. Any other council members want to

[2:33:16] report on anything they're working on?

[2:33:19] If not, let's just

[2:33:20] >> So, we're doing the um

[2:33:24] active transportation plan in our tax.

[2:33:26] So, if anybody has any ideas for bike

[2:33:28] paths or biking or anything

[2:33:31] want to, you know, add, let us know.

[2:33:35] >> When's the timeline for that?

[2:33:36] >> We'll have it done by the end of the

[2:33:38] year. So, October, maybe September.

[2:33:42] >> And you're you're racing, I'm sure, with

[2:33:44] all the bike folks. almost.

[2:33:49] » Yes. Thank you all. Thank you all for

[2:33:50] serving on those different as leazison

[2:33:53] for those different boards and

[2:33:54] commissions and thank you for being really involved in all the

[2:33:59] different events that we have here at

[2:34:00] the cities. We're in a month of bus a

[2:34:03] lot of things happening in a couple of

[2:34:04] weeks with my all the different warmfest

[2:34:08] things and so my little jar is getting

[2:34:12] full of the of where I have to pay in if

[2:34:14] I call in a season rather than

[2:34:20] I don't want the city I don't want the

[2:34:23] another city over back there. So yes,

[2:34:26] I'm trying really hard and

[2:34:30] but yes, I'm excited for that. And

[2:34:32] anyway, we actually are you how are you

[2:34:35] feeling about the pace of our work

[2:34:37] session? I wanted to ask about that. I

[2:34:39] we talked I talked to staff about maybe

[2:34:42] not having as many items on our agenda

[2:34:45] so we can go at a more deliberate pace

[2:34:47] rather than always feeling like we're

[2:34:50] panicked and at least that maybe it's

[2:34:52] just me. It's like

[2:34:54] >> are you okay with this amount of time

[2:34:56] like I can walk through this amount of

[2:34:58] stuff.

[2:35:00] >> It's it's we're able to the detail and

[2:35:04] also deliberate more than just

[2:35:08] fire host.

[2:35:09] >> Yeah, I think so too. And we do have

[2:35:11] some a few minutes here and it's not

[2:35:12] you'll give us a chance just to visit.

[2:35:14] We don't get to visit with each other as

[2:35:16] much you know. So anyway,

[2:35:20] >> may I just offer that I I think this

[2:35:21] past week has been extraordinary

[2:35:26] >> that the city has shined in a way that

[2:35:28] uh communities don't have that

[2:35:30] opportunity. And we have some of the

[2:35:33] most elite um executive staff, planners,

[2:35:37] and folks who have who have created

[2:35:40] environments for our citizens to find uh

[2:35:43] hope, success, uh peace, um

[2:35:47] opportunities. meal that we've created

[2:35:50] over the last few days and just the

[2:35:52] events that I've had the opportunity to

[2:35:53] be.

[2:35:55] >> So, just want to express gratitude for

[2:35:57] all of them doing lately

[2:36:00] >> and it was super impressive last night

[2:36:01] at this era of our firefighters up there

[2:36:04] on the stage.

[2:36:07] >> That was

[2:36:09] some really good pictures. I'll get to

[2:36:10] Pete. We'll do a post.

[2:36:12] >> Yeah,

[2:36:12] >> that was so sweet. And also the

[2:36:14] >> We all got it.

[2:36:15] >> And they got the standing ovation for

[2:36:17] like a long time.

[2:36:18] >> Yeah, it's great.

[2:36:19] >> They deserved it truly.

[2:36:21] >> And that's the Sierra I write it down.

[2:36:24] America should read the Sierra Salutes

[2:36:26] series. They're going to be doing those.

[2:36:27] But um

[2:36:28] >> how honored for our fire to be the first

[2:36:30] ones.

[2:36:31] >> Yeah, it's really nice.

[2:36:32] >> It's great.

[2:36:35] Well, if we don't have anything else,

[2:36:37] we'll just journ until we

[2:36:41] come back together.

[2:36:43] >> I make a motion we adjourn then.

[2:36:45] >> All right. Motion in a second.

[2:36:48] >> All right.

[2:36:50] >> We will reconvene

[2:36:54] at six.

[2:36:55] >> Thank you.

[2:46:28] I saw that the dog one got it.

[2:46:31] >> Yeah,

[2:46:37] » that's what I thought too.

[2:46:42] Probably like complaints like

[2:46:45] I know that most of the stuff I

[2:46:49] Anyway, so we're introduc

[2:47:27] There was a really great like

[2:47:33] » and my girls all watched it.

[2:47:44] So that the where

[2:47:56] I saw you were in Jack.

[2:48:01] » Yeah, I saw it.

[2:48:04] >> Oh, is that why should they're official?

[2:48:09] >> Yeah. All right. Well, thanks for

[2:48:11] letting us know, Lori. I should the

[2:48:13] word.

[2:48:15] >> Yeah,

[2:48:19] » we'll be there when it's time.

[2:48:21] >> Awesome.

[2:48:22] >> We like to be flexible.

[2:48:24] >> Hey, appreciate you.

[2:51:08] Test test.

[2:51:10] >> Yeah.

[2:59:08] All right. I would like to welcome you

[2:59:10] to this evening's city council meeting.

[2:59:12] Thank you for your attendance. We're

[2:59:15] going to go ahead and start with an

[2:59:18] invocation by Tom Scribner. And after

[2:59:22] the invocation, the pledge of allegiance

[2:59:24] will be led by Glenna Scribner. So,

[2:59:26] thank you for coming and doing that this

[2:59:28] evening.

[2:59:34] » Heavenly Father, we are grateful to be

[2:59:36] here this evening. We are so grateful to

[2:59:40] live in this country

[2:59:42] and to be in an area that is safe and

[2:59:47] a place where we are capable of meeting

[2:59:50] like this to discuss various issues.

[2:59:55] We ask you to bless this meeting with

[2:59:57] thy spirit. Bless everyone who speaks

[3:00:00] that they may do so civily.

[3:00:04] And bless us that bless each of us as we

[3:00:08] are in this year of 250

[3:00:11] years for our republic that we can be

[3:00:15] humbled in remembering the sacrifices of

[3:00:18] our forebears. And we say these things

[3:00:19] in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

[3:00:34] Please stand and repeat the pledge of

[3:00:36] allegiance with me.

[3:00:39] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[3:00:43] United States of America and to the

[3:00:47] republic for which it stands, one nation

[3:00:50] under God. indivisible with liberty and

[3:00:54] justice for all.

[3:01:02] » Thank you, Scriers, for for the

[3:01:04] invocation and the pledge of allegiance.

[3:01:09] After the pledge of allegiance, as as we

[3:01:12] were reciting that, I reminded me of the

[3:01:14] wonderful events that we've had this

[3:01:15] past weekend here in ORM. we had the

[3:01:18] opportunity to gather out here and

[3:01:22] dedicate our uh gold star family

[3:01:26] memorial and invite you to go take a

[3:01:29] look at that after the council meeting.

[3:01:32] And then we also had a wonderful

[3:01:34] Memorial Day program yesterday and so

[3:01:36] grateful for this country and for the

[3:01:38] opportunities we've had this last few

[3:01:41] days to remember those who have served.

[3:01:44] We have a number of presentations this

[3:01:46] evening. Our first presentation is going

[3:01:49] to be a legislative report given by

[3:01:52] Representative Nelson Abbott. So, I'd

[3:01:53] like to welcome you to come up. Um,

[3:01:55] Representative Abbott.

[3:02:02] » Yes. Thank you for having me. It's good

[3:02:04] to be here. I appreciate the work you do

[3:02:06] and the good things you're doing for

[3:02:08] ORM. I was here Friday night for the

[3:02:11] gold star memorial and that is a

[3:02:13] wonderful thing and it was a super

[3:02:15] touching ceremony and very well done. So

[3:02:17] I appreciate the efforts you're making

[3:02:19] as a city council and mayor and city

[3:02:22] manager to uh

[3:02:25] make ORM a better place. So my name is

[3:02:27] Nelson Abbott. I represent about a third

[3:02:29] of the population of ORM and I rep

[3:02:32] represent about 80% of vineyard at the

[3:02:36] Utah legislature. I'm in the House of

[3:02:38] Representatives and so I was asked to

[3:02:40] just come and kind of report on I guess

[3:02:43] a few things that are happening and kind

[3:02:45] of some of our priorities. One of the

[3:02:47] things uh we're super worried about is

[3:02:50] uh the cost of living and it's a little

[3:02:52] frustrating at the state level and I'm

[3:02:53] sure you're experiencing the same thing

[3:02:55] at the city level in that we don't have

[3:02:57] a lot of options because most of the

[3:02:59] levers that drive the cost of living

[3:03:02] happen at the federal level. So our

[3:03:05] hands are somewhat tight. Uh, for

[3:03:07] example, uh, starting July 1st, gas tax

[3:03:10] will be reduced about 15%.

[3:03:14] Which sounds good, but I'm not sure

[3:03:16] anybody will notice because gas is up

[3:03:19] probably double, uh, or more in the past

[3:03:22] few months. So, there's there's a lot of

[3:03:25] issues going on like that. But, uh, some

[3:03:26] of the things we've done is, um, we have

[3:03:30] lowered, um, income tax substantially

[3:03:33] over the past six years. We've increased

[3:03:36] funding for education

[3:03:38] um significantly. It's up about 36% over

[3:03:42] the last six years. Just this year, we

[3:03:44] raised the weighted pupil unit by 4.6%.

[3:03:49] So, we're trying to continue to fund

[3:03:50] education. I know that's important for

[3:03:52] Orman Vineyard in that we have a new

[3:03:54] school district and there's going to be

[3:03:55] some economic constraints that they face

[3:03:58] given um just the division and and

[3:04:01] what's going on with all that. So, those

[3:04:04] are those are some of my priorities. Um,

[3:04:07] and

[3:04:10] you know, uh, I guess another priority I

[3:04:12] I'll mention is just I appreciate the

[3:04:14] working relationship I have with you in

[3:04:16] that, uh, you guys have helped me screen

[3:04:18] bills and say, "Hey, this is going to

[3:04:20] impact citizens of ORM or or Vineyard in

[3:04:24] this way." And so, be aware of that. And

[3:04:25] I appreciate that good working

[3:04:27] relationship and the input that you

[3:04:28] give. And uh so I guess that's about my

[3:04:32] presentation. I'm happy to answer

[3:04:33] questions or um but probably don't have

[3:04:36] a lot more to say than that.

[3:04:38] >> Right. Thank you. And likewise, we

[3:04:40] appreciate the relationship we have with

[3:04:42] you that we're you're very accessible

[3:04:44] and we're able to come in and visit with

[3:04:46] you about different pieces of

[3:04:48] legislation and how they will impact

[3:04:50] those we both represent. And so council,

[3:04:52] do you have any questions for

[3:04:54] representative Abbott?

[3:04:56] >> Okay, council member Mikum. Uh thank you

[3:04:59] for being here. You are my

[3:05:00] representative. I'm in your third of

[3:05:01] orum. So

[3:05:02] >> right, fantastic.

[3:05:03] >> Uh it's great to have you here. Between

[3:05:05] now and the next legislative session uh

[3:05:07] in January, u what are your priorities?

[3:05:10] What will you be working on in

[3:05:11] particular to get ready for that

[3:05:12] session? And how can we support you?

[3:05:15] >> So you know, I think one of the issues

[3:05:16] that everybody's facing right now, well,

[3:05:20] I think people in ORM are concerned

[3:05:21] about it, although it's distant enough

[3:05:23] from us, is uh the data center up north,

[3:05:26] right? So, we're hearing that a lot in

[3:05:28] the news, but I think the broader

[3:05:29] picture is um how do we deal with tax

[3:05:33] increment financing and giving tax

[3:05:35] incentives to certain businesses or

[3:05:36] organizations that has grown

[3:05:38] substantially over the past few years

[3:05:40] and I think a lot of us in the

[3:05:42] legislature realize that while that

[3:05:44] serves a purpose, we probably need some

[3:05:47] more guard rails and we need some more

[3:05:50] careful structuring of those

[3:05:52] organizations so that elected officials

[3:05:55] have more respons responsibility and

[3:05:57] more say as to actually who gets those.

[3:05:59] And so that's one of the things I'm

[3:06:01] going to be working on is to try and

[3:06:02] figure out how we can rein that back.

[3:06:04] It's always hard when you have a

[3:06:06] government program.

[3:06:08] It's it's easy to start government

[3:06:10] programs. It's hard to end government

[3:06:12] programs. So, it's going to be a

[3:06:13] challenge. It's going to be difficult,

[3:06:15] but that's one of the things I'm going

[3:06:16] to be working on.

[3:06:20] Mayor and Council, if I can just also

[3:06:22] echo um what what mayor has said. Uh

[3:06:26] Representative Nelson Abbott has been

[3:06:28] very thoughtful, very smart, very

[3:06:30] accessible, willing to engage and open

[3:06:33] to to feedback and take take our uh

[3:06:37] input into account. ORM has a lot of of

[3:06:40] great uh state legislators and

[3:06:43] Representative Abbott is absolutely, you

[3:06:46] know, uh not lagging in that regard and he's just been wonderful to work

[3:06:50] with.

[3:06:51] >> Thank you.

[3:06:53] Appreciate you.

[3:06:54] >> All right. Thank you.

[3:06:55] >> Well, we've got somebody else.

[3:06:57] >> Can I just say one more thing?

[3:06:59] >> We noticed that your sweetheart is here

[3:07:01] with you this evening.

[3:07:02] >> Yes, she is. And we just want to say

[3:07:05] again, thank you to you for all that you

[3:07:07] do and all that you have done to bless

[3:07:09] us here in Oram, all of your hard work.

[3:07:12] But we just want to say thank you to

[3:07:13] your wife as well. We know that she puts

[3:07:16] up with a lot and sacrifices a lot to

[3:07:18] allow you to be able to do what you do.

[3:07:21] So, thank you to both of you.

[3:07:22] >> Thank you. That's appreciated.

[3:07:23] >> Yes. Have a good

[3:07:24] >> Yes. Thank you. Um, Mrs. have it. I It

[3:07:28] is a running and having someone serving

[3:07:30] elected office is definitely a a family

[3:07:32] affair,

[3:07:33] family and friends. So, thank you. Um

[3:07:37] before next item, I neglected to excuse

[3:07:40] council member Gail. She will not be um

[3:07:43] will not be here this evening. Our

[3:07:45] second presentation this evening is from

[3:07:48] Bradley Day, our community and

[3:07:50] sustainability officer, and its natural

[3:07:52] resources advisory commission awards.

[3:07:54] So, I'd like to invite Bradley up for

[3:07:56] that.

[3:08:08] » And it looks like you have two of your

[3:08:10] commission members.

[3:08:11] >> Yeah.

[3:08:11] >> With you this evening. Indeed.

[3:08:13] >> Welcome.

[3:08:14] >> Check.

[3:08:14] >> Yeah. And I'll actually hand the time

[3:08:17] off to them. Um, I'll hand the time to

[3:08:19] Hillary Hungerford, but uh, we will also

[3:08:21] make time for the recipient families to

[3:08:23] share a couple remarks as well for these

[3:08:25] awards.

[3:08:27] >> Thank you. Um, hello Mayor, hello um,

[3:08:32] council members and hello fellow ORM

[3:08:34] residents. We're very excited to present

[3:08:37] our natural resource advisory commission

[3:08:40] awards this year. Um, on behalf of ORM's

[3:08:44] Natural Resource Advisory Commission,

[3:08:46] we're privileged to recognize local

[3:08:48] leaders champion championing clean air,

[3:08:52] energy efficiency, water- wise

[3:08:54] landscaping, waste and recycling, green

[3:08:57] space, healthy ecosystems,

[3:08:59] local agriculture, and outdoor

[3:09:02] recreation. Our two winners tonight are

[3:09:05] ORM residents who have gone above and

[3:09:07] beyond using their personal yards to

[3:09:10] directly benefit our community. So, we'd

[3:09:13] like to invite our winners up. Cole Lwig

[3:09:16] and Orin Cooper, please come up.

[3:09:21] So, I'm just going to say a brief uh

[3:09:23] word about each and then they'll they'll

[3:09:26] say um so Cole, you're going to be

[3:09:28] first. Uh both of these residents took

[3:09:32] amazing and really different approaches

[3:09:34] to their landscaping.

[3:09:36] Uh for Cole, he was nominated for

[3:09:38] creating a naturallooking and feeling

[3:09:41] habitat for native pollinators. He

[3:09:44] turned a large portion of his lawn into

[3:09:46] a thriving native pollinator garden. And

[3:09:49] he worked with the state department of

[3:09:50] agriculture to con collect native

[3:09:53] plants. He created a highly drought

[3:09:56] tolerant garden full of color and life.

[3:09:59] If you we would invite you to say a few

[3:10:01] words.

[3:10:03] So the um this was actually something

[3:10:07] real exciting for my family. We about 5

[3:10:11] years ago decided that we wanted to cut

[3:10:14] down on our water use and our lawn being

[3:10:19] a big

[3:10:21] um pull for all that water. So we we

[3:10:24] reduced down our grass to about a third

[3:10:26] of what it was and then had all this

[3:10:29] extra space that we we didn't know what

[3:10:32] to do with and I just happened to run

[3:10:35] into on Facebook a post about the

[3:10:38] pollinator habitat program. It's

[3:10:41] something that was started back in 2002

[3:10:43] by our state legislature uh with the

[3:10:46] Department of Agriculture where they supply

[3:10:51] uh

[3:10:53] a lot of native plants to families to

[3:10:56] just plant in areas that they have. Um,

[3:10:59] Utah is home to over a thousand

[3:11:02] different types of native bees

[3:11:05] and we're we part of what we're doing is

[3:11:10] trying to do our best to

[3:11:13] um create a good living space for them.

[3:11:17] Um, even recently

[3:11:20] I've been out there just kind of seeing

[3:11:23] what what we've attracted. We have a lot

[3:11:25] of carpenter bees that are just there

[3:11:28] hanging around all the flowers. Um, a

[3:11:31] lot of smaller solitary bees that we

[3:11:34] don't really hear about cuz most of what

[3:11:36] we hear about is the the honeybees,

[3:11:40] but there's so much more than than just

[3:11:42] those guys. And

[3:11:45] we we love going out. We love seeing the

[3:11:47] flowers, all the activity, the the

[3:11:49] butterflies and things like that. And

[3:11:52] it's been it's been really exciting for

[3:11:55] us to to have this opportunity and to be

[3:11:58] able to grow it.

[3:12:00] >> Great. Thank you.

[3:12:02] >> Yeah.

[3:12:08] » Take a seat for a minute, then we'll

[3:12:09] come back up to present the award. The

[3:12:11] next is Orin Cooper.

[3:12:15] I think Orurin is here. Yeah. Okay.

[3:12:18] Good. Welcome. I haven't met either of

[3:12:20] these people before tonight. Very

[3:12:22] exciting. So, Lauren and his family

[3:12:25] turned their entire front yard into a

[3:12:27] productive garden. They made sustainable

[3:12:30] landscaping a true priority in their

[3:12:33] lives. Their yard feeds fresh food for

[3:12:35] their family and it gives neighbors and

[3:12:38] the community a unique opportunity to

[3:12:40] enjoy locally grown vegetables. So, we'd

[3:12:43] love to hear from you.

[3:12:44] >> Thanks. So, our motivations were similar

[3:12:46] to what we just heard that um our lawn,

[3:12:50] as you can see up here, we used 90

[3:12:52] 96,000 gallons of water last year in a

[3:12:55] month just to try to keep our lawn

[3:12:57] green. We live where our lawn was

[3:12:59] sloped. And that's a lot of water. In

[3:13:02] fact, we saved enough water over the

[3:13:04] year by changing this landscape for a

[3:13:06] household of four in Orum to live and

[3:13:09] do, you know, everything except for have

[3:13:11] a lawn. Um so that very similar

[3:13:14] motivations. Um one of the other things

[3:13:17] that I wanted to share about tonight,

[3:13:18] you can show the other picture of the um

[3:13:20] garden. Um here where we had, you know,

[3:13:24] 60some tomato plants. We've got those

[3:13:26] planted this year. Um love fresh

[3:13:28] produce. Um we ran into some challenges

[3:13:32] actually doing this. Um, I went to apply

[3:13:35] for grants and the city of ORM and the

[3:13:37] city provo don't qualify for some of the

[3:13:39] state grants because of the current

[3:13:41] legislation about how much our yard

[3:13:43] needs to be grass and those those

[3:13:45] requirements. Um, we had some challenges

[3:13:49] initially with this the city. We went

[3:13:52] from being reported as one of the

[3:13:53] ugliest yards to in 15 months being

[3:13:56] reported as one of the most beautiful

[3:13:57] yards because it was a process. you

[3:14:00] know, we took all the grass out. It was

[3:14:02] basically mud through the through the

[3:14:03] winter. And thankfully, city manager

[3:14:05] Bbeby was very helpful um in that

[3:14:08] process. So, I hope this can be a start

[3:14:11] of a conversation to look at how we can

[3:14:14] change some of the ordinances. Um I

[3:14:17] don't know if you've seen in the last

[3:14:18] couple of days, but Salt Lake City,

[3:14:20] their main water supplier, is going to

[3:14:21] start charging fines or fees if the

[3:14:24] various cities overuse um their allotted

[3:14:27] amount of water. So again, I don't I

[3:14:29] haven't studied all the ins and outs of

[3:14:31] how we we get our water, but the fact

[3:14:33] that we could encourage more citizens to

[3:14:35] save water and even return that to

[3:14:37] groundwater in years that we have

[3:14:38] excess. Um, again, I'd love to follow up

[3:14:42] more so that more people have these

[3:14:44] pollinator friendly and um, beautiful

[3:14:46] yards. Thank you.

[3:14:48] >> Thank you.

[3:14:53] Okay, we would love to officially

[3:14:55] present you all with your awards and

[3:14:57] take picture with the mayor and city

[3:14:59] council. So, please come forward. Do we

[3:15:01] do it all as a group? Okay. All as a

[3:15:04] group.

[3:15:11] » And it's cool to see yours as a family

[3:15:12] up here, too.

[3:15:15] >> We actually live across the street from

[3:15:16] each other.

[3:15:29] Awesome.

[3:15:31] Okay, I'm going to have the front row.

[3:15:33] Everyone just take a step this way.

[3:15:36] Perfect.

[3:15:50] Okay,

[3:15:52] perfect.

[3:15:54] >> Sarah, I might have you come on this

[3:15:55] side with me. Is that okay?

[3:15:57] >> Thank you.

[3:15:58] >> All right, everyone look at me. Three,

[3:16:00] two, one.

[3:16:04] All right.

[3:16:06] >> Hey, we're good.

[3:16:16] Thank you and congratulations. Oh, those

[3:16:19] are beautiful flowers. Very beautiful

[3:16:22] >> today from their yard.

[3:16:24] >> Wow, that's amazing. I'm having yard

[3:16:27] envy. And I've got some goals, some more

[3:16:31] goals now. They got the backyard with a

[3:16:34] lot less grass. Now the front's the next

[3:16:37] target. So, thank you. Congratulations

[3:16:40] and thank you for being such good

[3:16:41] examples in our community. Our next item

[3:16:44] is ourfest kickoff and we have Kenise

[3:16:49] Whitaker and Sydney Bailey from our

[3:16:52] event staff here this evening. Thank

[3:16:55] you. Welcome.

[3:17:15] All right. So, here to talk about

[3:17:18] everybody's favorite week of the year,

[3:17:21] ORMFest, which is June 8th through 13th

[3:17:24] this year.

[3:17:26] Um, okay. So, we're going to start with

[3:17:29] this is our theme for ORMFest this year.

[3:17:32] Um, celebrating of course the 250 years

[3:17:35] of freedom in the United States and the

[3:17:37] role that each of us play in preserving

[3:17:40] those freedoms. Orfest 2026 is a tribute

[3:17:43] to the American spirit that has defined

[3:17:44] our nation for two and a half centuries.

[3:17:48] In Family USA, we believe that the

[3:17:50] American story is more than just a

[3:17:51] history lesson. It's a living legacy

[3:17:53] passed from one generation to the next.

[3:17:56] As we mark this historic milestone, we

[3:17:58] honor those who paved the way and the

[3:17:59] citizens who will carry the best of

[3:18:01] their legacy into the future. Red,

[3:18:03] White, Blue, and You celebrates the

[3:18:05] past, the present, and the great hope

[3:18:07] for the future.

[3:18:10] Our

[3:18:12] grand marshall for this year is the

[3:18:14] Colonial Heritage Festival and they

[3:18:17] perfectly embody this year's theme of

[3:18:20] red, white, blue, and you during this

[3:18:23] national America 250 celebration.

[3:18:28] The Colonial Heritage Festival is held

[3:18:30] every year during the week of 4th of

[3:18:33] July. This year it will be held the 2nd

[3:18:35] of July through the 4th of July at the

[3:18:37] Sarah Park. It is the largest colonial

[3:18:40] living history festival east of the 13

[3:18:44] colonies and it's right here in our city

[3:18:46] of Oram.

[3:18:50] The Colonial Heritage Festival's

[3:18:52] revolutionary figures, they have folks

[3:18:54] that dress up such as Benjamin Franklin

[3:18:57] or George Washington and they're going

[3:19:00] to be making special appearances

[3:19:02] throughout Ormfest. So, please make sure

[3:19:04] to watch out for them at our car show

[3:19:06] and at our orchard jam and at our

[3:19:09] carnival days.

[3:19:13] So, we obviously couldn't have done it

[3:19:15] without our event advisory commission.

[3:19:18] We have um 10 of them right now that are

[3:19:21] helping us out through out especially

[3:19:23] this week and throughout the year. And

[3:19:24] then we have a lot of staff that also

[3:19:26] puts a lot of work in to this week which

[3:19:29] makes it all possible.

[3:19:34] This year we have about 19 food vendors

[3:19:37] with a variety of tasty eats for you to

[3:19:40] try and boutiques about 48 different

[3:19:43] vendors with a lot of variety of wares

[3:19:46] too. So please come and check out all of

[3:19:48] these vendors.

[3:19:50] We also wouldn't have been able to do it

[3:19:52] without all of our sponsors, generous

[3:19:56] donors. We have a title sponsor, Surfp

[3:19:58] Pro. They um help us out big time for

[3:20:02] Orfest. And so we had a lot of cash

[3:20:04] donations as well as a lot of inind

[3:20:06] donations um just to help with

[3:20:09] volunteers

[3:20:11] being able to you know come be a part of

[3:20:13] this um giving back to the people that

[3:20:15] make this all possible.

[3:20:19] Okay. So now we're going to just

[3:20:21] highlight some of the events throughout

[3:20:23] the week. Um, our event start off with

[3:20:26] on Monday, June 8th with our Orfest car

[3:20:29] show, which is so much fun. We have over

[3:20:32] a hundred amazing cars that show up for

[3:20:34] this event. Plus, there are free hot

[3:20:36] dogs for the first 2,000 attendees. We

[3:20:39] have lots of businesses um promoting

[3:20:42] what they do for our communities and

[3:20:44] offering free things to and engaging

[3:20:47] activities. On Tuesday, June 9th, there

[3:20:50] is an Orfest pool party. We have

[3:20:53] discounted tickets of only $3 per person

[3:20:55] for admission. And it's not just a fun

[3:20:57] swim. There's music, dancing, contest,

[3:21:01] free ice cream. So, make sure to come

[3:21:03] out for that. On um June 10th, we also

[3:21:06] have an Orfest charity golf tournament

[3:21:10] uh for the Kowanas Club that starts at

[3:21:12] 8:00 a.m. So, if you're a golfer, make

[3:21:14] sure to sign up for that, too.

[3:21:18] And then on Wednesday the 10th, we start

[3:21:21] with our sports fest tournament. So we

[3:21:24] start with a pickle ball tournament all

[3:21:26] day. That is men's tournaments, women's,

[3:21:29] mixed, and then we also have a parent

[3:21:31] and child division, which is really fun.

[3:21:33] Um, and we're still looking for people

[3:21:35] to join that. So if you are interested

[3:21:37] or have neighbors that are interested,

[3:21:39] definitely sign up for that. In the

[3:21:41] evening, we have an event that we do

[3:21:42] with University Place Mall. It's called

[3:21:44] Orchards Jam. This year is America's

[3:21:47] birthday, so we will have foam cannons

[3:21:50] and giant lawn games and free cake and

[3:21:53] balloons. We'll also finish the night

[3:21:55] off with the silent disco. And then we

[3:21:58] have the children's entrepreneurship

[3:22:00] market as well, which is all kids

[3:22:03] version of a farmers market. They're

[3:22:05] very adorable. It's very fun. So,

[3:22:07] definitely come out for that. And then

[3:22:09] we will also start the carnival and the

[3:22:11] food vendors on Thursday. This year we

[3:22:14] have 11:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. on

[3:22:16] Thursday, 11:00 a.m. to 11:00 p.m. on

[3:22:18] Friday and Saturday, all at City Center

[3:22:20] Park. We'll have activities for the

[3:22:22] kids, which we'll talk a little bit more

[3:22:23] about, live music, and then like Kenise

[3:22:26] mentioned earlier, really delicious

[3:22:27] food.

[3:22:32] Okay, so for kids crafts, you won't want

[3:22:34] to miss that either. Bring the kids out

[3:22:36] for free craft. They can make that on

[3:22:38] Thursday and on Friday between 1 and 4.

[3:22:42] really fun American themed crafts there

[3:22:44] for you. We also have our maker space

[3:22:46] from Orm Public Library coming out to

[3:22:48] help us out on Friday. So, join us for

[3:22:52] some fun there. Uh sports fest cornhole

[3:22:55] tournament. There are still some there

[3:22:58] are still um am I coming through? Okay.

[3:23:01] There are still some spots

[3:23:03] available for uh signing up for the

[3:23:06] cornhole tournament and Ormfest fit. If

[3:23:09] you haven't done this before, it's a lot

[3:23:11] of fun. A lot of energy outside high

[3:23:13] fitness spotlighting some of our uh

[3:23:16] instructors at the ORM Family Fitness

[3:23:20] Center just over at at behind the ORM

[3:23:23] fitness center. So, come out for that.

[3:23:27] All right. On Friday night, we also have

[3:23:29] the kickball tournament that's going to

[3:23:30] be at Community Park. That's a really

[3:23:32] fun one to get families involved. One of

[3:23:34] the big things this year is also ORM's

[3:23:36] Got Talent. It's the 10th anniversary.

[3:23:39] Um that's always a really fun um way to

[3:23:42] see all of the talented people here in

[3:23:44] ORM. That's at 700 p.m. at City Center

[3:23:46] Stage. And we will finish Friday off

[3:23:49] with a drone show um at 9:45. We'll have

[3:23:53] music there. You can also tune in to

[3:23:55] KOHS to hear the music if you're a

[3:23:58] little bit farther away. And should be

[3:24:00] really fun and exciting this year.

[3:24:06] Okay. Then comes Saturday, which is very

[3:24:09] packed with fun. We start off the day

[3:24:12] with um our rotary pancake breakfast.

[3:24:15] That's between 8 and 10. And there's

[3:24:18] always delicious toppings for this these

[3:24:20] pancakes. So come out and support the

[3:24:22] Orm Rotary Club for that. Um we also

[3:24:26] just after you filled up, you can

[3:24:28] stretch out with yoga at the park just

[3:24:30] in front of the city center stage. Uh

[3:24:33] there is a baby contest. So if you have

[3:24:35] a cute adorable one, make sure to

[3:24:37] register for that. That contest um takes

[3:24:40] place over at the Hillrest Park Center

[3:24:42] and winners get to ride in the parade.

[3:24:48] And then last but definitely not least,

[3:24:51] um this year new is the Oram Fire

[3:24:53] Department fun run, which will happen

[3:24:56] before the parade. So we'll have a lot

[3:24:59] of fun, you know, people cheering

[3:25:01] everyone on. it is in support of the

[3:25:04] fire department um restoring the

[3:25:07] historic engine number one and all of

[3:25:10] their um funding for that. And so we

[3:25:12] have registration also online. Then

[3:25:16] right following that we'll have the

[3:25:17] grand parade um which you know we are

[3:25:20] excited for all of you guys to be a part

[3:25:22] of. Excited to have everybody in there

[3:25:24] to finish the week off. Um and we'll

[3:25:28] finish it with the fireworks um at City

[3:25:31] Center Park. And so that is kind of the

[3:25:33] end of the perfect week of Ormfest.

[3:25:38] >> We hope.

[3:25:39] >> Perfect.

[3:25:40] >> That's awesome.

[3:25:41] >> Do you guys have any questions?

[3:25:42] >> Any questions? Uh Council Member Mill.

[3:25:44] >> So I just have a couple comments. So now

[3:25:47] verify this for me. I was told last

[3:25:49] night that the fun run is along the

[3:25:52] parade route right before the parade.

[3:25:54] So, you get to run in front of all your

[3:25:56] peeps and yes

[3:25:58] along, right? That is right.

[3:26:00] >> Then I just want to do a big shout out.

[3:26:02] So, I've done the what was it called? I

[3:26:04] wrote it down. Orfest fit and that was

[3:26:07] so fun. Um I'm glad to see you moved it

[3:26:10] to 8:00 p.m. because I think we had it

[3:26:12] earlier and it was a little warm when we

[3:26:14] did it earlier. So, just I love that.

[3:26:16] And then the last thing I want to say is

[3:26:18] thank you so much for your efforts to

[3:26:22] uh find support in the community and to

[3:26:24] have this sponsored because it used to

[3:26:25] be a a a budget item. So you guys have

[3:26:29] done a great job of helping our

[3:26:31] community help us pay for this party. So

[3:26:33] thank you.

[3:26:35] Yes. Thank you. And I'll put a plug in

[3:26:37] for the ORM fire department fund run. I did that many, many years

[3:26:41] ago and it was along the parade route

[3:26:44] and it was really fun and I wondered why

[3:26:46] everybody was so excited when I came by.

[3:26:49] You know, they're giving me high fives.

[3:26:50] It was because I was in last place and

[3:26:52] they knew that the parade was going to

[3:26:54] start as soon as that woman went by with

[3:26:57] that ambulance behind her, which I was

[3:26:59] glad to have. But, um, but anyway, it it

[3:27:02] was it was really fun and so it's good

[3:27:04] cause. The whole event, the whole all of

[3:27:06] Worms is really fun. So excited to to be

[3:27:09] part of it this year. Thank you.

[3:27:23] » All right. Our next item on the agenda

[3:27:25] is our summer reading program and our

[3:27:28] presenter is program librarian me

[3:27:30] flenders pay. Welcome.

[3:27:36] Thank you for having me here today. Let

[3:27:38] me just get this.

[3:27:41] Is that better? Is it working? Okay.

[3:27:42] Thank you.

[3:27:44] >> All right. Uh my name is Meg Flenders

[3:27:47] and I am the program librarian at the

[3:27:48] ORM Library. Um I'm excited to share a

[3:27:51] little bit about the summer reading

[3:27:52] program that we have this year. Um and

[3:27:54] to give you a glimpse of all the hard

[3:27:56] work and effort that our library staff

[3:27:58] have been putting in for over a year to

[3:27:59] get ready for this summer. Our theme

[3:28:01] this year, which was selected by the

[3:28:03] collaborative summer library program, is

[3:28:05] unearth a story.

[3:28:07] Um, we are really excited about this

[3:28:09] theme. Whether readers are digging into

[3:28:11] a good book, uncovering hidden

[3:28:13] histories, or exploring the past, the

[3:28:15] slogan underscores the joy of discovery

[3:28:17] that reading brings. It also emphasizes

[3:28:19] that every person in every community has

[3:28:21] stories waiting to be found and shared

[3:28:23] through books, programs, and local

[3:28:25] knowledge. We run our program through an

[3:28:28] app called Beanstack, where patrons can

[3:28:30] create an account and track their

[3:28:31] reading minutes to earn badges and

[3:28:33] qualify for prizes and our special

[3:28:35] finale event. We anticipate about 2,000

[3:28:37] participants between the ages of 0 to

[3:28:39] 18. The goals of our summer reading

[3:28:42] program are to encourage children and

[3:28:44] families to read over the summer break

[3:28:46] and to lessen the summer slide, which is

[3:28:48] a decline in reading comprehension and

[3:28:50] reading skills that can happen when

[3:28:51] children are not in school. We also want

[3:28:53] our young patrons to develop positive

[3:28:55] attitudes about books and reading. And

[3:28:57] we're also excited to provide free,

[3:28:59] engaging, and educational experiences

[3:29:01] for our community throughout the summer.

[3:29:04] We're starting the program off this

[3:29:06] Saturday, May 30th, with our kickoff

[3:29:09] event, In Time, which is presented by a

[3:29:11] performing group, Live History Shows.

[3:29:13] This interactive experience blends

[3:29:15] elements of an escape room, theatrical

[3:29:17] performance, and quest as our patrons

[3:29:20] explore the library, and solve clues to

[3:29:22] complete the mission before their time

[3:29:24] is up. Patrons can sign up for the

[3:29:27] kickoff at library.orum.gov.

[3:29:33] Um, along with the kickoff, we have an

[3:29:35] exciting lineup of programs this summer,

[3:29:38] including a red pyramid party

[3:29:40] celebrating the popular junior fiction

[3:29:41] series by Rick Ryarden. Film screenings,

[3:29:45] Mammoth Day, where we are excited to

[3:29:46] feature Mero and talk about the mammoth

[3:29:49] discovered in Oram. Um, trash talk where

[3:29:52] our teens will get to dig through trash,

[3:29:54] which we are creating ourselves, so it's

[3:29:56] actually it's not like actual garbage.

[3:29:58] um to learn how archaeologists study

[3:30:01] civilizations um as well as many other

[3:30:04] fun and educational programs for all

[3:30:06] ages. Uh you can subscribe to the

[3:30:08] library email newsletter to find out

[3:30:09] more about the events that are happening

[3:30:11] all summer long.

[3:30:15] Oh yeah.

[3:30:20] People get it

[3:30:21] >> good. Okay.

[3:30:24] Um, in addition to great events, our

[3:30:27] patrons can also earn prizes for

[3:30:29] reading. We have ticket prize drawings

[3:30:31] that readers can enter to win in um, and

[3:30:33] these include donations from local

[3:30:35] businesses and museums as well as toys,

[3:30:38] books, and games. Everyone who finishes

[3:30:40] the challenge at ages 0 to 11 will earn

[3:30:43] a dinosaur toy, while our teen readers

[3:30:45] will earn a goodie bag, which they have

[3:30:47] picked themselves, which what they want

[3:30:49] in it, which I think is really fun. Um,

[3:30:52] we will also have a special prize this

[3:30:54] year for completionists. They will earn

[3:30:55] a real fossil that was actually dug out

[3:30:58] by our librarians back in the fall. Uh,

[3:31:01] which was really fun. And you can see

[3:31:02] some of us here in that picture. We had

[3:31:03] a really good time getting to do that.

[3:31:05] Um, and then our completionists will

[3:31:08] also earn entry into our annual pool

[3:31:11] party finale at the Sierra Pool. So,

[3:31:13] we're excited to celebrate and reward

[3:31:15] reading all summer. Um, and we wanted to

[3:31:18] thank uh the city council and city

[3:31:20] administration and the amazing staff

[3:31:22] throughout the city and the library for

[3:31:23] making this program possible. Um, did

[3:31:26] you have any questions or comments?

[3:31:30] >> Can we do one for grown-ups?

[3:31:31] >> Yeah, we actually do have a challenge

[3:31:33] for our grown-ups. Uh, it's called the

[3:31:35] ORM reading challenge. Uh, and it is

[3:31:38] about it's a year-long challenge. Uh, it

[3:31:40] started in January and it will end in

[3:31:42] November. So, that one is specifically

[3:31:44] for our uh adult readers because we

[3:31:46] found that the demands were a little bit

[3:31:47] different. So, we're trying it a little

[3:31:48] bit differently this year. So,

[3:31:49] >> all right. This is so fun.

[3:31:52] >> I'm excited.

[3:31:54] >> Oh, um, Council Member Mikum.

[3:31:56] >> U, this is just fantastic. I I I um I'm

[3:31:59] thrilled with library programming. Um,

[3:32:02] for those of you who who don't know, um,

[3:32:05] the way that our library thinks a little

[3:32:06] bit about its mission, uh, it really has

[3:32:10] transitioned from a place where we

[3:32:12] collect and store books for you to check

[3:32:14] out and, um, now is much more of an

[3:32:17] experience library and and a place where

[3:32:21] people come to engage with their

[3:32:23] community and to have experiences and to be inspired uh, not only by books

[3:32:28] but by other members of the community.

[3:32:29] and these activities just go so far in

[3:32:32] terms of helping that along. So I just

[3:32:34] think this is a fantastic asset that we

[3:32:36] have as a community and and Meg really

[3:32:38] appreciate your leadership on this.

[3:32:39] >> Thank you. Thanks so much.

[3:32:43] >> All right. Thank you. This is exciting.

[3:32:44] I can hardly wait to tell my

[3:32:45] granddaughter about it.

[3:32:47] >> Thank you.

[3:32:48] >> And so thank you.

[3:32:54] » All right. The next item on our agenda

[3:32:56] are um presentation Miss Orm

[3:32:59] introductions. And so presenters Donna

[3:33:01] Mard and Joanne Jeffs with the Miss Orum

[3:33:05] uh program. And looks like you brought

[3:33:08] some people with you. Welcome.

[3:33:14] It wasn't too long ago we were at this

[3:33:16] very podium practicing our interviews

[3:33:19] and now we have a brand new royalty for

[3:33:20] both our teen and our miss programs. Um,

[3:33:23] we will let them introduce themselves as

[3:33:24] well as their community service

[3:33:26] initiatives. But my name is Donna

[3:33:27] Millard. I am the Misorum director and

[3:33:30] um, thrilled to be here with you again

[3:33:32] and thrilled to be here with this new

[3:33:33] group of young women. We are blown away

[3:33:35] every year at the caliber of young women

[3:33:37] that come through our program. And we we think we're going to make them

[3:33:41] better, but they make us better. So, um,

[3:33:44] without further ado, maybe Joanne can

[3:33:45] introduce herself.

[3:33:46] >> Certainly. I'm Joanne Jeffs. I am the

[3:33:49] events coordinator for the Miss Orm

[3:33:51] program. And so if you're at a ribbon

[3:33:53] cutting or a city event, you'll probably

[3:33:55] see me there. We love our city officials

[3:33:58] and we love interacting with you

[3:33:59] regularly. It is such a treat for our

[3:34:02] girls to have a relationship with the

[3:34:04] people that run the city and we are so

[3:34:06] grateful for that. Thank you.

[3:34:10] So, we'll turn the time over to the

[3:34:11] girls, but again, we we say this all the

[3:34:12] time, but we are very grateful and

[3:34:14] appreciate your support as a city

[3:34:15] council and um of our program. So, thank

[3:34:18] you.

[3:34:20] >> Hello everyone. You all know me already,

[3:34:22] but hello. My name is Melly. I'm the new

[3:34:25] Miss Sorum for 2026. My community

[3:34:29] service initiative is Melly for MLE,

[3:34:32] multilingual education. So, I'm an

[3:34:34] advocate for especially dual language

[3:34:36] immersion programs here in Utah, but

[3:34:38] just bilingualism in general. I'm a big

[3:34:41] advocate for. Um, and my for one of my

[3:34:45] attendants

[3:34:46] and she's going to introduce herself.

[3:34:48] This is Brooke.

[3:34:51] Hello, my name is Brooke and my CSI is

[3:34:53] called Dreamers into believers. It's

[3:34:55] encouraging fifth grade students to

[3:34:56] build leadership skills as they plan to

[3:34:59] create their dreams to help them come

[3:35:00] true in the future.

[3:35:03] And then this is our Miss Orum's teen

[3:35:06] and she's going to go ahead and

[3:35:07] introduce her teens.

[3:35:10] >> Hi, I'm Andy Oldm. I'm 17. My community

[3:35:13] service initiative is stronger than the

[3:35:14] storm. It focuses on mental health

[3:35:18] awareness for teens mostly. Um, my

[3:35:20] attendants are Harley, Elsie, and oh my

[3:35:25] gosh,

[3:35:26] >> Sienna,

[3:35:27] >> I swear I know. But, um, yeah. Anyways,

[3:35:29] I'm excited to serve Orum this year.

[3:35:35] Um, I'm Harley Wild and I'm the first

[3:35:37] attendant for the Miss Orum Teen

[3:35:39] Royalty. And my CSI is keep it green by

[3:35:43] staying clean, which is all about

[3:35:44] keeping our community clean and thriving

[3:35:47] and picking up trash and planting like

[3:35:50] plants and trees and flowers and just

[3:35:52] making ORM look beautiful.

[3:35:57] I'm Sienna Buy. I'm the second attendant

[3:35:59] and my community service initiative is

[3:36:01] called Notes of Hope, amplifying change

[3:36:03] through music and it's all about

[3:36:05] connecting musicians with nonprofit

[3:36:07] organizations or other organizations

[3:36:09] that are already instated and helping

[3:36:11] bring more heart awareness and support

[3:36:13] to community events through music.

[3:36:17] Hello, my name is Elsie Thomas and I'm

[3:36:20] the third attendant and my CSI is called

[3:36:22] the Joy Project and it's all about

[3:36:24] finding healthy, effective coping

[3:36:26] mechanisms for people of all ages.

[3:36:30] >> Thank you and congratulations. We look

[3:36:32] forward to working and serving with you

[3:36:33] this year. So, thank you.

[3:36:35] >> Thank you.

[3:36:50] Right. Front row. Slide this way just a

[3:36:53] little. There we go. All right. On

[3:36:54] three. One, two, three.

[3:36:57] Thank you so much. I'm going to take one

[3:36:58] with the camera, too. Just a second.

[3:37:02] Okay, we're good.

[3:37:09] » Thank you very much. Should I say

[3:37:10] something, Mayor?

[3:37:11] >> Sure.

[3:37:12] >> We are grateful for these young women

[3:37:14] and the great work they do to serve our

[3:37:16] community, but I I just want to give a

[3:37:18] shout out to Donna and

[3:37:23] Joanne.

[3:37:24] um

[3:37:26] they are behind the scenes and do so

[3:37:30] much good

[3:37:32] not only through this process of the

[3:37:34] pageantss but I've heard from multiple

[3:37:36] parents in the last month of how

[3:37:40] they uh are there to

[3:37:43] support these young women in some really

[3:37:47] powerful and empowering ways. and we

[3:37:51] just want you to know how much we

[3:37:52] appreciate you and the work that you do

[3:37:53] and your whole team uh for strengthening

[3:37:55] our community and working with these

[3:37:57] amazing young women. So, thank you.

[3:38:00] >> Thank you.

[3:38:03] >> All right. Our next item is a

[3:38:04] presentation by Cameron Wilson, a

[3:38:06] behavioral health specialist, and it's

[3:38:08] our police autism picnic. So, welcome

[3:38:11] Cameron.

[3:38:33] I'm so happy to be with you today. Um, I

[3:38:35] should come to city council more often

[3:38:36] because I was sitting back there like,

[3:38:38] "Wow, there's so many cool things going

[3:38:39] on that I don't hear about in my little

[3:38:41] bubble over there." Um, but like like uh

[3:38:44] the introduction said that the mayor

[3:38:45] gave, my name is Cameron. I'm the

[3:38:47] behavioral health specialist that runs

[3:38:48] the mental health unit over at the

[3:38:50] police department. Um, and I was asked

[3:38:52] to give a little recap on my favorite

[3:38:54] event of the year that I could talk

[3:38:55] about for a very long time. I'll keep it

[3:38:57] brief today, I promise. But, um, this is

[3:39:00] our fifth annual picnic with police.

[3:39:03] Happened about a month ago. Um, just a

[3:39:05] little bit of background. The purpose of

[3:39:07] this event is to celebrate and enhance

[3:39:09] relationships between uniformed law

[3:39:11] enforcement and our citizens with

[3:39:12] special needs. When I first started at

[3:39:14] the police department about 6 years ago,

[3:39:17] um, our now deputy chief was my

[3:39:19] lieutenant and he sat me down and he

[3:39:21] said, "I want you to do a ride along

[3:39:22] with every shift." I was like, "Really?

[3:39:24] Every shift? That's kind of a lot."

[3:39:25] Highly recommend, by the way, if you

[3:39:27] guys haven't been on a ride along.

[3:39:28] Sorry, Chief. I'm just throwing that out

[3:39:30] there. I'm sure it's fine. Um,

[3:39:34] Maybe he'll take it himself, get back

[3:39:35] out on the road. Could be fun. Um,

[3:39:38] anyway, I went on a ride along and I was

[3:39:41] brand spanking new, like two weeks on

[3:39:42] the job. I was with one of our officers.

[3:39:45] He's a he's a big old Polynesian one.

[3:39:47] Cutest little smile on his face all the

[3:39:48] time. Nicest guy, but he's big and

[3:39:50] physically intimidating. And he did a

[3:39:53] traffic stop on a minivan and the mom

[3:39:56] had no license plate on the back of the

[3:39:57] minivan. He pulls her over. Mom's like,

[3:39:59] "Oh my gosh, I'm so sorry." She's very

[3:40:01] stressed and she's like, "I just didn't

[3:40:03] have the right screwdriver. I have the

[3:40:04] license plate here. I just don't have

[3:40:05] the right screwdriver." And he goes,

[3:40:06] "Oh, well, I'll just put it on for you."

[3:40:08] So, I'm in the front seat of his patrol

[3:40:10] car and I'm watching him on the side of

[3:40:12] the road put this license plate on. And

[3:40:14] after a second, you can hear some hear

[3:40:17] some things and see some things

[3:40:18] happening in the minivan. And I was

[3:40:19] like, uh, a little concerning. And he

[3:40:22] kind of looks back at me and I look at

[3:40:24] him and I'm like, hey, there's some

[3:40:26] stuff going on in there. He walks over

[3:40:28] to the driver's side and the mom says,

[3:40:29] "I'm so sorry. I have a son who's got

[3:40:31] autism and he is terrified of police

[3:40:34] officers."

[3:40:36] And he was a young kid and the officer,

[3:40:38] he runs back to his car and he's trying

[3:40:39] to find some stickers and they all stay

[3:40:41] pretty stocked with like stickers and

[3:40:42] snacks and treats and things like that

[3:40:44] for situations like this. And he's

[3:40:46] trying to get the kid to calm down and

[3:40:48] create some sort of rapport. The mom

[3:40:50] eventually just looks at him and is

[3:40:51] like, "Can you just can you just let us

[3:40:53] go?" He's like, "Yeah, totally fine.

[3:40:55] Have a good day."

[3:40:56] Well, I got back and my lieutenant asked

[3:40:59] me, "How was your ride along?" And I

[3:41:00] said, "This is bugging me. This is

[3:41:03] bothering me." So, I kind of vented a

[3:41:04] little bit and he goes, "Well, what are

[3:41:05] you going to do about it?" I was like,

[3:41:07] "Uh, I don't know. Been on the job for

[3:41:09] two weeks." And he said, "Well, that's

[3:41:11] why we hired you." So, I brainstormed

[3:41:13] with my team with great support from our

[3:41:15] administration. We came up with the

[3:41:17] picnic with police. So, this is our

[3:41:19] fifth year. Our first year, we were

[3:41:20] expecting about 200 people. We had about

[3:41:22] 500. Well, this year, um, we had over

[3:41:25] 1,500 in attendance. Um, we hit our

[3:41:28] target demographic very well. You can

[3:41:30] look around and see that it draws in the

[3:41:33] right people because it is an event

[3:41:34] that's needed. Um, we had so many

[3:41:38] booths. Uh, we had over 70 police

[3:41:40] department employees there. We ran 15

[3:41:42] different police booths. Connect For the

[3:41:45] Grill, face painting, kickball,

[3:41:47] volleyball, Legos, you name it, they're

[3:41:49] doing it. Um, that's a good chunk of our

[3:41:51] force, by the way. Um, and we ran 15

[3:41:55] different police booths and then we had

[3:41:56] 22 local organizations, resource booths

[3:41:59] come in and do activities and and give

[3:42:02] families the tools that they needed

[3:42:03] hopefully to prevent a crisis situation

[3:42:05] in in the in the first place, right? Get

[3:42:08] them better connected. Um, it's

[3:42:10] something that we can do in a reactive

[3:42:12] department to be a little bit more

[3:42:14] proactive. So, um, I know in years past

[3:42:17] we've had some council members present.

[3:42:19] Bad timing this year, probably my bad.

[3:42:21] you guys were at a at a nice little

[3:42:22] retreat and that's okay. We'll catch you

[3:42:24] next year. Um, but it's it's genuinely

[3:42:27] one of my favorite events. So, the

[3:42:29] feedback was really great from attendees

[3:42:30] and the resource booths and our

[3:42:32] officers. They actually, not to brag or

[3:42:34] anything, but they fought about who had

[3:42:35] to work the road this year so that they

[3:42:37] could come to the picnic. So, some of

[3:42:39] them duked it out and decided who

[3:42:40] covered what. But, um, it's becoming

[3:42:43] just a it's a really good event that we

[3:42:45] all look forward to at the department.

[3:42:47] Um, I hear about it all year long. Oh my

[3:42:49] gosh, you're the you're the police

[3:42:51] department that does the picnic. We love

[3:42:52] that. Um, and just the interactions are

[3:42:55] fun and genuine and it's the best

[3:42:57] training I could ever give for our

[3:42:59] officers and the best interaction that I

[3:43:01] could give to the public to just kind of

[3:43:03] ease some of that tension and make sure

[3:43:05] that we have good relationships with the

[3:43:06] vulnerable population. So, um, another

[3:43:09] thing to note, this event doesn't cost

[3:43:12] any taxpayer dollars. Um, it's entirely

[3:43:14] run from donations and sponsorships. the

[3:43:17] Autism Council and Macy's were our two

[3:43:19] sponsors this year. And so big shout out

[3:43:21] to them and to our parks department

[3:43:23] because I would die if the parks

[3:43:26] department didn't help me. So we're very grateful. Any questions?

[3:43:31] >> Sounds like a wonderful event. I'm sorry

[3:43:32] we missed it.

[3:43:33] >> That's okay

[3:43:34] >> on that.

[3:43:34] >> We'll we'll be here next year.

[3:43:36] >> So will I speak.

[3:43:39] >> Anybody else?

[3:43:41] say, "I'm really sad when I found out

[3:43:43] that we were at our um League of Cities

[3:43:45] and Towns convention. I was really sad.

[3:43:48] You guys do such a great job. I have

[3:43:50] several friends who take their children

[3:43:52] and it's a gamecher. It truly is that

[3:43:55] relationship building that takes place

[3:43:57] there. It looks like just a big party,

[3:43:59] but it truly truly you're fulfilling the

[3:44:02] purpose. So, thank you for that

[3:44:04] inspiration."

[3:44:05] >> Thank you. Thank you, Chief. Anything I

[3:44:06] missed?

[3:44:10] Thank you so much for your time.

[3:44:12] >> All right. Thank you.

[3:44:20] All right. Next item on our agenda are

[3:44:23] personal appearances. So time's been set

[3:44:25] aside for the public to express their

[3:44:27] ideas, concerns, and comments on items

[3:44:29] not scheduled as public hearings on the

[3:44:31] agenda. Those wishing to speak are

[3:44:33] encouraged to show respect for those who

[3:44:35] serve the city. comments should focus on

[3:44:38] issues concerning the city. Those

[3:44:41] wishing to speak have already signed up

[3:44:43] had the opportunity to sign up before

[3:44:45] the meeting and I will I'll stick with

[3:44:47] that list. There over a dozen of you and

[3:44:51] this last part, please limit your

[3:44:53] comments to three minutes or less. I

[3:44:56] just want to give you a heads up. I

[3:44:58] learned right before the meeting that we

[3:44:59] have a new timing system here at for the

[3:45:04] personal appearances. Uh, we've had some issues with people going over three

[3:45:09] minutes and so I don't know if Do you

[3:45:12] want to do a test run, Pete, to show

[3:45:15] what's going to happen?

[3:45:18] So, it goes well, I guess. Do we have to

[3:45:20] wait through the whole three minutes?

[3:45:24] Okay. So, when it gets down to what

[3:45:26] what's going to happen if

[3:45:30] Okay. Yeah. as it as it counts down,

[3:45:32] it'll give you a warning and then it'll

[3:45:34] do some chimes, but uh just respect the

[3:45:37] time is basically what we're asking.

[3:45:39] >> Okay. So, yes, it has that. So, we ask

[3:45:44] that you you do limit your comments to

[3:45:46] three minutes. I do notice that a number

[3:45:48] of you have have spoken with us before

[3:45:51] about the same topic. So, I would

[3:45:54] encourage you that you are just that if

[3:45:56] you don't need to take the 3 minutes,

[3:45:57] we're not going to make you take three

[3:45:58] minutes that you can take as up to 3

[3:46:01] minutes. And like I said, we have over a

[3:46:03] dozen who've signed up all to talk about

[3:46:06] short-term rentals. So, we'll go ahead

[3:46:09] and get started with Amy Harks. Is it

[3:46:12] Amy? Is that right? Okay. Yep.

[3:46:16] Welcome

[3:46:24] I feel like the guinea pig with the new

[3:46:26] timing system.

[3:46:29] Um, thank you for the opportunity to

[3:46:31] share my thoughts on short-term rentals.

[3:46:33] I didn't realize it was all going to be

[3:46:34] short-term rentals tonight. I'm

[3:46:36] definitely under three minutes. My name

[3:46:38] is Amy Horex and I am a resident of

[3:46:40] Oram. I'm very grateful for the work

[3:46:42] that you all do as council members and

[3:46:45] for the people that come to the city

[3:46:46] council meetings. I do come as often as

[3:46:48] I can and I enjoy hearing what's

[3:46:50] happening in the city. Uh clearly from

[3:46:52] my accent I'm not originally from Oram

[3:46:55] but my husband grew up here and we've

[3:46:56] been here for over 9 years now. Um and I

[3:47:00] love living in the city of Oram. Our

[3:47:02] youngest daughter just graduated from

[3:47:04] Mountain View last week. Uh so it's been

[3:47:06] a privilege to feel exhausted from all

[3:47:08] the events that we've done to get her to

[3:47:10] that point. Um, but tonight I am here as

[3:47:14] a resident to express my concern for the

[3:47:16] issue at hand, which is short-term

[3:47:17] rentals and their continuation in Oram.

[3:47:21] Um, I'm concerned as the decision seems

[3:47:23] to be coming black and white, and I'm

[3:47:25] unclear as to why there is no middle

[3:47:27] ground for short-term rentals. Um, I

[3:47:30] have good friends in the room here

[3:47:32] tonight whose primary source of income

[3:47:34] is through short-term rentals. Um,

[3:47:36] they've created these short-term rentals

[3:47:38] legally and follow everything that is

[3:47:40] required of them. And I'm sure if you

[3:47:42] were to ask any of their surrounding

[3:47:44] neighbors or friends of these people,

[3:47:46] they would have no complaints amongst

[3:47:48] them. I'm sorry to hear about the

[3:47:50] terrible experiences that have been

[3:47:52] expressed by some of the residents of

[3:47:54] Oram with short-term rentals that are

[3:47:56] near them. And I've heard the stories

[3:47:57] and they do sound pretty horrific. Um,

[3:48:00] but that said, I can't help but wonder

[3:48:02] if in there isn't a short uh a middle

[3:48:05] ground that does not completely remove

[3:48:07] short-term rentals, but rather makes it

[3:48:10] harder for those who are not adhering to

[3:48:12] the short-term rental laws continue

[3:48:14] providing this service. I agree that

[3:48:17] these those creating significant

[3:48:19] neighborhood disturbance and disruption

[3:48:20] should be penalized heavily. But

[3:48:22] punishing every short-term rental owner

[3:48:25] for the bad behavior of some does not

[3:48:27] all in honesty seem fair. The friends I

[3:48:30] have who own short-term rentals are the

[3:48:32] kind of people I believe we all want as

[3:48:34] our neighbors in Oram. I would prefer we

[3:48:37] found solutions to protect them and

[3:48:40] remove the exploitation of the few who

[3:48:42] have found ways to do so. Thank you so

[3:48:45] much for your time.

[3:48:46] >> Thank you. And I and I apologize that I

[3:48:50] didn't mention this earlier as I saw

[3:48:52] what the topic is for everybody. I want

[3:48:53] to give you a quick update on where we

[3:48:54] are on short-term rentals. We just spent

[3:48:57] an hour over an hour in our our work

[3:48:59] meeting continuing to review short-term

[3:49:02] rentals and and some of the the issues

[3:49:05] with that. We appreciate legal staff uh

[3:49:07] particularly Jake Summers for for

[3:49:09] helping with that. Just to let you know

[3:49:11] where we are right now is this city

[3:49:13] council has directed uh our attorney's

[3:49:16] office to draft two different

[3:49:18] ordinances. One ordinance would allow

[3:49:21] owner occupied

[3:49:24] uh short-term rental units.

[3:49:27] Other the other ordinance would allow

[3:49:30] uh non-owner occupied be two-tiered

[3:49:32] system where there would be owner

[3:49:33] occupied and then non-owner occupied

[3:49:35] with a number uh in allowed in the city

[3:49:38] to be determined. That's something that

[3:49:39] we still need to hammer out. So right

[3:49:42] now that's where we stand on looking at

[3:49:45] those two ordinances right now. Uh right

[3:49:48] now we've got June 23rd as our next work

[3:49:50] session where those two proposed

[3:49:52] ordinances will come back to the city

[3:49:54] council for discussion and we I thought

[3:49:57] we had a productive meeting today

[3:49:59] council as far as as that's concerned.

[3:50:02] But that's that's the update right now

[3:50:03] that right now it appears that there

[3:50:06] isn't going to be an allout ban that

[3:50:08] because the two ordinances that the

[3:50:09] council has directed uh include

[3:50:12] short-term rentals in the community.

[3:50:14] It's whether or not it's just owner

[3:50:16] occupied or are we going to allow

[3:50:19] non-owner occupied as well. That's that

[3:50:21] that's where we are right now. Again,

[3:50:24] there's no final decision. That's not a

[3:50:26] final decision. We've got a long ways to

[3:50:27] go still before that final decision, but

[3:50:29] that's that's where we are in our point

[3:50:32] of discussion.

[3:50:35] >> Sure.

[3:50:36] >> Yeah. So, just to your point, um, and

[3:50:38] that is a compromise. We are doing

[3:50:41] compromises. We have heard strongly from

[3:50:43] our residents that they want an all-out

[3:50:45] ban. So just so people understand there

[3:50:49] are compromises that are happening and

[3:50:52] just because it's not going to show up

[3:50:54] on an agenda in a future meeting doesn't

[3:50:56] mean that compromise wasn't made.

[3:50:59] >> Do you I thank you. I appreciate that. I

[3:51:01] appreciate that clarification. I I

[3:51:03] neglect that we there were a couple of

[3:51:05] council members who felt an a ban on all

[3:51:08] were was appropriate. And so yes, what we're what you're seeing and will

[3:51:12] be the ordinances that are coming

[3:51:14] forward on for our further discussion on

[3:51:16] June 23rd are compromises as as we've

[3:51:19] gone forward. So thank you. Thank you

[3:51:21] for that clarification. Appreciate it.

[3:51:24] Next is is it Nico Romney?

[3:51:32] Hello. Um, my name is Nico Romney and I

[3:51:37] work with uh short-term and long-term

[3:51:40] investors all over the state of Utah. We

[3:51:43] have long-term properties in ORUM as

[3:51:46] well as as uh short-term properties. Um,

[3:51:51] tonight I just kind of want to focus on

[3:51:52] the economic impact of these properties

[3:51:55] and also the economic benefit or just

[3:51:58] the overall benefit to the community of

[3:52:01] ORM. Um, the majority of short-term

[3:52:04] rental owners I work with are not large

[3:52:08] uh corporations. They are local

[3:52:10] residents, families, and small

[3:52:12] investors. These are people who love

[3:52:15] ORUM and believe in this community. They

[3:52:18] want to share it with investors or with

[3:52:21] visitors. Many are using these

[3:52:24] properties to help offset rising costs,

[3:52:27] create financial stability, and build

[3:52:30] long-term security for their families

[3:52:32] and retirement. Um, short-term rentals

[3:52:35] create consistent work for local

[3:52:37] cleaners, landscapers, handymen,

[3:52:42] uh, plumbers, electricians, contractors,

[3:52:46] photographers, and small businesses. Um,

[3:52:49] these properties also bring visitors

[3:52:52] into ORM who directly support local

[3:52:54] businesses. Um, as a host, we actively

[3:52:58] encourage guests to support local

[3:53:00] businesses. We recommend Oram

[3:53:02] restaurants

[3:53:04] um including Taco Amigo and Maria Bonita

[3:53:10] and so many more um to encourage our

[3:53:12] guests to um experience something new

[3:53:17] and experience something that's unique

[3:53:19] to Oram. Um

[3:53:22] also with most of in many cases these

[3:53:26] guests already have strong ties to ORM.

[3:53:29] Um a large portion are visiting family,

[3:53:33] friends,

[3:53:35] students or local universities. Um

[3:53:38] others are former residents returning to

[3:53:41] visit loved ones, attend graduations,

[3:53:44] weddings, sporting events or community

[3:53:47] gatherings. Um

[3:53:50] so

[3:53:52] uh we we just ask for fair regulation.

[3:53:55] We we do try to do everything we can to

[3:53:59] be good neighbors, to take care of our

[3:54:01] properties, to bring the quality of our

[3:54:03] neighborhoods up, and to be very

[3:54:05] respectful. We send messages to renters.

[3:54:09] There is a huge benefit to these

[3:54:11] short-term rentals where people come in

[3:54:14] oftent times, fall in love with the

[3:54:16] city, and do bring their families and

[3:54:19] move in. We've had pe we've had people

[3:54:21] come in, love it, come back, come back

[3:54:25] and return and return again, and we've

[3:54:27] actually had several who then came and

[3:54:29] bought homes in in Oram. So, we really

[3:54:32] do appreciate that you guys are

[3:54:34] listening, that you are making

[3:54:35] compromises, and you are working with

[3:54:37] us. Thank you.

[3:54:39] >> Thank you.

[3:54:40] Next up is um Morgan Romney. Then after

[3:54:43] Morgan will be Chris Hammond.

[3:54:51] Hi. Um, my name is Aubrey Spicer. I'm

[3:54:54] taking his wife's spot because I was

[3:54:56] late to sign my name down. Um, and I

[3:54:58] live next to a sober living home, a

[3:55:01] short-term rental property, and many

[3:55:03] long-term renters in my neighborhood. We

[3:55:06] were asked by some of our friends to

[3:55:07] come and share our experience with

[3:55:09] short-term rentals, sober living, and

[3:55:11] long-term rentals in our neighborhood. I

[3:55:14] understand the importance of occupancy

[3:55:16] limits and protecting neighborhoods, but

[3:55:18] I do not believe a blanket cap of eight

[3:55:21] people, which I think is what you guys

[3:55:22] were looking at for every short-term

[3:55:24] rental is the solution to your guys's

[3:55:26] problem. Um, in our area, the short-term

[3:55:29] rental guests are families visitings for

[3:55:32] weddings, funerals, graduations, and

[3:55:34] events at BYU and UVU. Um, a family of

[3:55:37] 12 traveling together may only bring

[3:55:39] three or four vehicles and create very

[3:55:41] little neighborhood impact and the home

[3:55:42] is kept in beautiful standing. In

[3:55:45] contrast, neighborhood impacts are

[3:55:48] usually um caused by things like

[3:55:50] excessive parking, noise, trash, and

[3:55:52] poorly poor property management, not

[3:55:54] simply the number of people inside a

[3:55:57] home. Um, from my own experience, the

[3:56:00] short-term rental near me has had no

[3:56:01] issues because it has clear parking

[3:56:03] limits, rules, and active management.

[3:56:07] That has mattered far more than the

[3:56:09] occupancy alone. When our friend asked

[3:56:12] if we would come address our honest

[3:56:14] concerns with the different types of

[3:56:15] properties in our neighborhood, the

[3:56:16] short-term rentals, sober living,

[3:56:18] long-term rentals, and owner occupied

[3:56:20] homes, we have seen and have had far

[3:56:22] more issues with the sober living

[3:56:24] long-term rentals um than we have ever

[3:56:26] had with any of the short-term rentals.

[3:56:29] Um, if the city's concern is truly

[3:56:31] neighborhood impact, then regulations um

[3:56:35] should focus consistently on measurable

[3:56:36] issues like the parking overflow,

[3:56:38] nuisance, behavior, property upkeep, and

[3:56:40] code enforcement across all housing

[3:56:42] types. Um, long-term rentals and owner

[3:56:45] occupied homes can also create

[3:56:47] significant neighborhood issues when

[3:56:48] properties are neglected, vehicles

[3:56:50] overflow onto the street, um, or

[3:56:52] ordinances are not enforced. The focus

[3:56:54] should be on the actual impact to

[3:56:56] neighbors, not arbitrary uh occupancy

[3:56:58] number alone. I would encourage the

[3:57:01] council to focus on measurable

[3:57:02] neighborhood impact such as parking. Oh,

[3:57:04] did I just read that? Oh, sorry. Okay. I

[3:57:06] know Hebrew City has just implemented an

[3:57:08] occupancy rule of 16 guests capped, but

[3:57:11] the parking only allows for whatever can

[3:57:13] fit in the driveway, which seems like a

[3:57:15] great way to respect neighbors and also

[3:57:17] encourage the right people to book. Um,

[3:57:20] I love ORM. I've lived here now for 9

[3:57:22] years and I'm from Idaho originally from

[3:57:24] a little farm town. So, it's been so fun

[3:57:27] to live in the big city for me. Um, and

[3:57:31] that's just what I've experienced so far

[3:57:32] is just the the differences between

[3:57:34] short-term rentals, the sober living,

[3:57:37] and then the long-term rentals. They

[3:57:38] just seem to be a little bit more

[3:57:40] problematic. And I wish there was more

[3:57:41] emphasis on them than the short-term

[3:57:43] rentals. And um I believe we can protect

[3:57:46] neighborhoods while still allowing

[3:57:47] responsible property owners to operate

[3:57:49] in a way that benefits visiting families

[3:57:51] and our local uh economy. Thank you.

[3:57:54] >> Thank you.

[3:57:56] Right. Next. What? Um Spicer, Aubrey

[3:58:01] Spicer, right? Okay, great. All right.

[3:58:03] Next we have Chris Hammond. And then

[3:58:05] after Miss Hammond we have John Brooks.

[3:58:09] Welcome.

[3:58:10] >> Hi again. So nice to see you all.

[3:58:13] Um, I am here one more time just to

[3:58:18] express as once again my positive for

[3:58:21] short-term rentals. I spent a good part

[3:58:24] of my adult life looking at and studying

[3:58:26] correlations, evaluation policy, finding

[3:58:29] reasonable solutions for complex

[3:58:31] problems. I respectfully ask that ORM

[3:58:34] city council to rely on statistics,

[3:58:36] data, and thoughtful planning and

[3:58:38] creating policy that makes sense for

[3:58:39] long-term solves a problem and does not

[3:58:42] require a consider reconsideration.

[3:58:45] Even last week, Salt Lake City is having

[3:58:48] to reconsider. We have the Olympics

[3:58:50] coming to Salt Lake and they're not

[3:58:52] going to have adequate places for people

[3:58:54] to stay because they got rid of

[3:58:56] short-term rentals. And so, they're

[3:58:57] having to relook at it. Boulder City is

[3:58:59] another one where Sundance is going and

[3:59:01] they're going to have to reconsider

[3:59:02] there because of their restrictions that

[3:59:04] they've made. I am hoping that we can

[3:59:07] look forward thinking versus backward.

[3:59:10] It's always nice to say back then was so

[3:59:12] much better, but we have got to look

[3:59:15] forward. BYU is adding a medical school.

[3:59:18] The U of is increasing and doubling

[3:59:20] their nursing program. They're also

[3:59:22] adding another business program. The

[3:59:25] Osman's announced their new venue, which

[3:59:27] I know is controversial, but we should

[3:59:30] be prepared for what's going to happen.

[3:59:33] We continue to hear claims that

[3:59:34] short-term rentals impact housing, but

[3:59:37] that is not true. There's no statistics

[3:59:39] that they enter that they make a change

[3:59:41] in that. And currently, there are 263

[3:59:44] homes in Orum for sale and over between

[3:59:48] 16600 rentals that are available. And so

[3:59:51] short-term rentals are not making an

[3:59:53] impact on that. We have repeatedly heard

[3:59:56] concerns about the sober living

[3:59:57] organization and how that impacts, but

[4:00:00] they are governed by an entirely

[4:00:02] different federal government guidelines

[4:00:04] and we need to look at that and I have a

[4:00:06] professional paper that I'll hand out to

[4:00:08] you tonight. Additionally, for

[4:00:10] individuals with special needs, those

[4:00:13] kinds of homes are governed by the

[4:00:15] federal government and individuals need

[4:00:17] their own space. And so I hope that

[4:00:20] you'll consider a bedroom count versus

[4:00:24] something that's eight. Um,

[4:00:27] uh, historically,

[4:00:29] if we dictate how many, uh, days that

[4:00:33] something can be open and a short-term

[4:00:34] rental is only available on average

[4:00:37] about 50% of the time. The street in

[4:00:40] front of my home is a public street, and

[4:00:42] I would hope that I have use of

[4:00:44] something that I pay taxes on. Let us be

[4:00:47] forward thinking. Let us plan for the

[4:00:49] future growth of ORM. Let us consider

[4:00:51] the revenue that is brought in. I

[4:00:53] personally employ a crew of 10 people

[4:00:56] that are dependent upon what I do and

[4:00:58] how I manage. I respectfully ask the

[4:01:01] council to create a fair, balanced, and

[4:01:02] datadriven policy that preserves

[4:01:05] neighborhoods without having um the way

[4:01:08] we support public businesses. Thank you

[4:01:11] very much for your time.

[4:01:12] >> Thank you. And if you just like to drop,

[4:01:14] leave that with Melissa here. um she'll

[4:01:17] make sure that we get those. All right,

[4:01:20] John Brooks. And then after Mr. Brooks,

[4:01:23] um Jerry Duckworth. So, welcome.

[4:01:25] >> Yeah, thank you for your service. I am a

[4:01:27] neighbor of a uh rental property and one

[4:01:31] of the largest in the city of Oram. And

[4:01:34] I'm just here just to say that I I don't

[4:01:36] ever see any issues. I never see any

[4:01:37] noise or anything like that. It's a

[4:01:39] great place to to have family city USA

[4:01:43] come back and have a large enough place

[4:01:45] for families to actually visit and be a

[4:01:47] part of. And I don't see any issues with

[4:01:50] it. And I'm just here to say that I also

[4:01:52] see that on the same street I do see

[4:01:54] issues with the um health hospital and

[4:01:59] also uh Cir Lodge that have a tendency

[4:02:02] to walk down the street on Palisad. that

[4:02:04] has a bigger concern for me than having

[4:02:06] zero cars in the street on a home that

[4:02:08] has a beautiful home that all it does is

[4:02:10] just bring people to ORM and and be able

[4:02:12] to see our city and so I just say that

[4:02:14] and thank you for your service.

[4:02:15] >> Great. Thank you. Thanks for coming. All

[4:02:18] right. Next we have Jerry Duckworth and

[4:02:21] after Mr. Duckworth we have um Connie

[4:02:24] Romney will be will be ready come up.

[4:02:30] » Welcome.

[4:02:31] >> Thank you.

[4:02:33] Um, it's heartening to me as an American

[4:02:36] to see you all function so well when uh

[4:02:41] the times around the world are

[4:02:45] challenging

[4:02:46] and it's a blessing from our founding

[4:02:49] fathers

[4:02:51] that you do such a good job. Anyway, I

[4:02:56] uh live in Provo, but I worked in ORM

[4:03:00] for close to 20 years for a uh mortgage

[4:03:05] company called American Lending Network.

[4:03:08] Mike Riley and uh Stephanie Berard were

[4:03:12] the owners and it was a pleasant

[4:03:15] experience,

[4:03:17] challenging,

[4:03:19] but I'm here in behalf of friends who

[4:03:21] live in Orum concerning short-term

[4:03:24] rentals

[4:03:26] and

[4:03:29] I have uh known them for years

[4:03:34] and often visited a large nearly 2acre

[4:03:38] short-term from rental property as it is

[4:03:40] an immediately next door to a friend I

[4:03:43] often visit. I have occasionally been

[4:03:46] invited over by guest along with my

[4:03:49] friend uh to meet the guests that have

[4:03:52] rented the the property for a week or

[4:03:56] two. Uh a year and a half ago I met a

[4:04:01] Jewish family of 30 to 40

[4:04:05] um people

[4:04:08] And I was so impressed with their

[4:04:11] character and how they enjoyed being

[4:04:13] here commenting on the mountains, the

[4:04:16] streams. The people are so nice.

[4:04:19] And um my friend had known BB Netanyahu

[4:04:25] and his brother who was killed in the

[4:04:30] German Olympics years ago. And so there

[4:04:34] was a a appreciation from our Jewish

[4:04:38] friends for his service

[4:04:41] uh in security

[4:04:44] uh for the games.

[4:04:46] Uh they live on site. They don't let

[4:04:48] noise become an issue. For years, the

[4:04:51] city has approved short-term rentals

[4:04:53] recognizing the value of our local

[4:04:56] economy and our neighborhoods. These

[4:04:59] homes are more than just places to stay.

[4:05:02] They are where friends and family come

[4:05:05] together, share meals, celebrate

[4:05:07] milestones, create memories that last a

[4:05:10] lifetime.

[4:05:12] Short-term rentals allow visitors to

[4:05:14] experience our city in a personal

[4:05:17] authentic way, supporting shops,

[4:05:20] restaurants, attractions. They foster

[4:05:22] cultural exchange. They help homeowners

[4:05:26] afford their homes in ORM by sharing

[4:05:29] responsibility with visitors from both

[4:05:32] near and far away. I believe we can

[4:05:36] continue to uphold safety

[4:05:39] and neighborhood standards by preserving

[4:05:42] the benefit of short-term rentals. Let's

[4:05:46] keep this tradition alive for our

[4:05:48] residents, our visitors, and the future

[4:05:52] of our economy.

[4:05:54] Um 21 seconds. Okay.

[4:05:58] If you look at the uh the world

[4:06:02] conditions, imagine if you own a uh

[4:06:07] a short-term rental and all your income

[4:06:10] comes from that.

[4:06:13] And if our economy which is really

[4:06:19] uh our deficit national deficit what

[4:06:22] would happen you know to people who who

[4:06:25] get threatened by reduction in social

[4:06:28] security or their income's gone you know

[4:06:31] we have to take that into account and

[4:06:33] particularly if they followed the

[4:06:35] guidelines

[4:06:37] the city had approved prior. Please take

[4:06:40] that into account and um I uh thank you

[4:06:46] for the opportunity.

[4:06:48] >> Thank you.

[4:06:50] >> All right. Next uh we have Connie Romney

[4:06:54] and after Ms. Romney we have Gavin Gavin

[4:06:57] Neb.

[4:06:58] Welcome.

[4:06:59] >> Hi. Good. Good evening. Um I'm a coming

[4:07:03] as a different aspect of it. Um,

[4:07:08] I I'm I clean the places and I wanted to

[4:07:15] talk to you tonight because um it has

[4:07:19] made a real big difference in our life.

[4:07:22] It's a second job for me. Um it's has

[4:07:27] made a big difference for our family.

[4:07:29] It's helped us to handle the high cost

[4:07:31] of things. My husband, he retired really

[4:07:36] early and so it's helped us, our family,

[4:07:40] to get control of our finances.

[4:07:44] For me, it's um it's not about

[4:07:47] corporations or

[4:07:50] that it's about families and um being

[4:07:54] able to handle the costs of things. Um

[4:07:59] the it isn't um

[4:08:03] the places like the clean the homes

[4:08:06] um they've been

[4:08:10] I'm sorry I lost my train. We um

[4:08:14] many of the the guests are visiting

[4:08:17] families from here. they're um during

[4:08:22] their stay they're they're you know

[4:08:25] going out to the local restaurants and

[4:08:29] stuff and I understand we should have

[4:08:31] rules and stuff but we also should

[4:08:34] support these people um the like the one

[4:08:39] that I cleaned here it's beautiful the

[4:08:43] yard is beautiful everything's beautiful

[4:08:45] around it but the house next door that

[4:08:47] someone lives in It looks like it's

[4:08:50] falling down.

[4:08:52] Um

[4:08:53] for some of the

[4:08:56] um it and it for us it's stability in

[4:09:00] our home. Um and it's been quite an

[4:09:04] asset to us and I just wanted you to

[4:09:07] know from that aspect what it has done

[4:09:09] for us. It's made a big difference in

[4:09:11] our lives. um we wouldn't be we wouldn't

[4:09:15] be able to make it without the income

[4:09:18] that it's made for us. So that's just a

[4:09:20] different aspect for us.

[4:09:22] >> Appreciate your thoughts listening for

[4:09:24] us.

[4:09:25] >> Thank you.

[4:09:28] >> Okay, Gavin Nebucher. And after Mr.

[4:09:30] Nebbecker, we have Ingred Pen Penor. Did

[4:09:34] I Did I even get close? Okay, she's

[4:09:37] nodding. I'm feeling better about that.

[4:09:39] Okay, welcome.

[4:09:40] >> Well, thank you. Thank you, mayor, and

[4:09:41] thank you, city council members. Um, I

[4:09:45] mean, the the first lady that uh came

[4:09:46] and spoke, I just wanted to basically

[4:09:48] say, "Amen." That's very similar to my

[4:09:50] story here. So, but my wife and I, we

[4:09:53] moved here to Orum probably about 3

[4:09:55] years ago um with our family and we've

[4:09:59] spent a lot of time getting to know our

[4:10:00] neighbors and our community, our church

[4:10:02] community, and it's been such a

[4:10:04] blessing. We're very grateful for it. Um

[4:10:06] after getting to know our neighbors and

[4:10:09] our community, um we've learned that

[4:10:12] some of them had been operating an

[4:10:13] Airbnb and we actually had never known

[4:10:16] that um as there hadn't been any

[4:10:19] disturbances from their guests and um

[4:10:22] they had been great, you know, owner

[4:10:24] operators.

[4:10:26] They've continued to uh contribute

[4:10:28] greatly to our community. Um, and

[4:10:31] there's, you know, again, been nothing

[4:10:33] that has been done to disrupt our family

[4:10:36] and all the things that we've been

[4:10:37] looking for in owning a home and living

[4:10:39] here in ORM.

[4:10:41] Um, in fact, you know, I'm very grateful

[4:10:43] for them because as as we've had my

[4:10:46] wife's family and other family members

[4:10:48] come to visit, um, they've been able to

[4:10:50] stay close by and not have to, you know,

[4:10:53] be in a hotel. And so, we've been able

[4:10:55] to spend more time with them. Also, my

[4:10:58] wife and I, we I mean, our family, we

[4:11:00] have um a child who has some special

[4:11:03] needs, and so it's hard harder for us to

[4:11:06] be able to get out. And so, on our

[4:11:07] anniversary, we were able to uh stay at

[4:11:10] another Airbnb that was just a couple

[4:11:12] blocks away, so we were still close for

[4:11:14] any medical concerns, you know, from our

[4:11:16] babysitters or whatnot. And so, it was

[4:11:18] great for us to be able to still have

[4:11:20] that experience to go stay in another

[4:11:22] home that isn't just ours. Um, and so

[4:11:26] what I've learned, um, as I've learned

[4:11:28] more about the coming restrictions, um,

[4:11:31] from our neighbors and other hosts, I

[4:11:32] have felt bad for the great services

[4:11:34] that they've been providing, um, which

[4:11:37] benefit the community and could be

[4:11:39] jeopardized and cause some of them to

[4:11:41] potentially move. Now, I understand that

[4:11:44] there have been some, you know, bad

[4:11:46] apples. Um, but I do fear that there

[4:11:48] will be an overcompensation in the

[4:11:50] effort to correct those, which in turn

[4:11:53] will help, which in turn will hurt all

[4:11:55] the other short-term rental owners and

[4:11:58] even their neighbors and friends or

[4:12:00] people like me who've been able to

[4:12:01] benefit from those. So, again, thank you

[4:12:04] for your time.

[4:12:05] >> All right. Thank you. Appreciate your thoughts. All right.

[4:12:09] to Ingred. And then after Ingred, we

[4:12:12] have is it Ros Roachio? Rosio Lozano.

[4:12:17] >> She leaves.

[4:12:18] >> Oh,

[4:12:18] >> she had to leave.

[4:12:19] >> Oh, she had to leave. Okay. So, I'll

[4:12:20] cross her off. Okay. Welcome.

[4:12:24] >> Thank you. I do not speak very well

[4:12:27] English because my first language is

[4:12:30] Spanol, Spanish. So, she going to help

[4:12:33] me. Okay.

[4:12:34] >> Translate. Okay.

[4:12:36] >> Um

[4:12:43] She's lived in Orum since 200.

[4:12:48] >> Oh, can I interrupt? Let's give them

[4:12:50] just a little bit longer time because

[4:12:52] we've got a interpreter.

[4:12:55] >> So, we'll keep the clock running, but that let Yeah. Thank you. But still

[4:12:59] a little bit more time.

[4:13:13] She has a down syndrome son and so for

[4:13:16] her to go out and work it makes it

[4:13:17] really hard.

[4:13:30] They thought it would be thoughtful to

[4:13:32] take a place and make it beautiful so

[4:13:33] that they could give service to their

[4:13:35] community in this way.

[4:13:52] They've had people visit such as

[4:13:54] families. people come to the the MTC um

[4:13:57] to serve missions.

[4:14:06] » She's just grateful that she can have

[4:14:08] people and provide that that help to

[4:14:10] those who come to visit in the college

[4:14:11] and whatnot.

[4:14:17] » So that she can be home and take care of

[4:14:19] her child.

[4:14:20] >> Thank you so much.

[4:14:21] >> Gracias. Thank you.

[4:14:24] All right. Next up is Brendan BBE.

[4:14:31] Welcome.

[4:14:36] Thanks guys for having me. Um I do a

[4:14:39] Substack where I comment and listen to

[4:14:42] every city council meeting and I follow

[4:14:45] this discussion for probably two years

[4:14:46] now. I think you guys have been talking

[4:14:48] about it. Um, and I like to try to bring

[4:14:51] data and details to it that maybe the

[4:14:54] city council doesn't have. And I know

[4:14:56] recently, I think I emailed most of you

[4:14:57] guys, but it was talking about how many

[4:14:59] Airbnbs are in Orum. And I think there's

[4:15:01] currently 89 Airbnbs that are whole

[4:15:04] homes that you guys are trying to create

[4:15:07] rules around. It's just 89. And there's

[4:15:09] 200 total Airbnbs listed currently or in

[4:15:12] the last 12 months. A lot of numbers get

[4:15:14] thrown out there. I think there's a

[4:15:16] recent like newspaper article around

[4:15:18] like 5 to 600. Um, but in my substack, I

[4:15:21] list out the sources and how you can

[4:15:22] actually go just validate that yourself.

[4:15:24] Um, and so I'd invite you guys to do

[4:15:26] that. And what I'm also trying to do is

[4:15:29] I put in a grammar request for every

[4:15:31] neighborhood improvement complaint made

[4:15:34] since 2024 out of just my own pocket.

[4:15:36] But I plan on bringing that data to you

[4:15:38] guys in a detailed analysis of like what

[4:15:41] are we talking about? cuz what I've

[4:15:42] noticed is that it's the same six to

[4:15:44] seven homes that come up in every single

[4:15:46] city council meeting and the rules we're

[4:15:48] putting out there and the rules you guys

[4:15:50] are creating. I want to make sure that's

[4:15:51] not around the anecdotes and the

[4:15:53] feelings that we have around these six

[4:15:54] properties and it's about what's

[4:15:56] actually happening in ORM. So, thanks

[4:15:58] for having me.

[4:16:00] >> All right. Thank you. Next, we have

[4:16:02] Aaron Kirkham and then after Aaron we

[4:16:06] have Allora Harren.

[4:16:12] Hello, council. My name is Aaron. Um,

[4:16:14] I'm a resident of Sandy. Um, I'm here on

[4:16:16] behalf of two of our clients. We manage

[4:16:18] vacation homes. Our company's called

[4:16:20] Konigo Vacation Rentals. Uh, we manage

[4:16:22] homes in Idaho and in Utah. I'm a member

[4:16:25] of the Idaho Vacation Rental

[4:16:27] Association. And what I wanted to talk

[4:16:29] about tonight was in regards to the

[4:16:31] occupancy limits of 8 and potentially

[4:16:33] the 5 days specific as it relates to

[4:16:36] McCall Idaho. McCall Idaho had an

[4:16:39] occupancy limit of four people per

[4:16:41] bedroom. They changed it to two people

[4:16:44] per bedroom, were sued by five different

[4:16:46] individuals and lost to those five

[4:16:49] individuals. That also then helps

[4:16:51] stimulate House Bill 583, which recently

[4:16:54] passed in 2026, which has removed all

[4:16:57] regulation within the state of Idaho for

[4:16:59] short-term rentals. and all residential

[4:17:02] units need to be treated equally

[4:17:04] underneath the protection of the law for

[4:17:06] being a residential unit. Um that's

[4:17:08] really my biggest fear um as it relates

[4:17:10] not just to our clients but the the

[4:17:13] whole argument of eight people as well

[4:17:15] as 5 days of uh blocked out unavailable.

[4:17:19] Really it it does appear that the city

[4:17:22] wants us to host people for longer

[4:17:24] because they're trying to remove

[4:17:25] elements of short-term rentals. Thus

[4:17:28] long-term makes more sense. And so if we

[4:17:30] have a guest who stays long there, um,

[4:17:32] actually within our own portfolio, we've

[4:17:34] had a shift of about 50% of our

[4:17:36] portfolio within the summer. So that's

[4:17:38] 30 to 40 homes from Salt Lake City down

[4:17:41] to Provo shift to what is called

[4:17:44] midterm, 30 days or longer. It's

[4:17:47] traditionally contractors who are coming

[4:17:48] to the area, families, architects who

[4:17:51] are building but need places for an

[4:17:52] extended stay. putting in a five-day

[4:17:55] limit would remove that opportunity for

[4:17:57] those individuals. As well as from just

[4:18:00] a a straight standpoint of only having

[4:18:02] eight people just doesn't follow a

[4:18:05] systematic approach of how to use the

[4:18:08] home. We also have a place in Canab,

[4:18:10] Utah. We follow Kain County's rules.

[4:18:12] Today, I got my license for our

[4:18:14] short-term rental. Uh we follow their

[4:18:16] rules, which are two people per bedroom.

[4:18:19] We have three buildings on one property.

[4:18:21] And in there we have the capacity to

[4:18:23] sleep 16. We're only allowed 10. So

[4:18:26] that's what we do. Um it's still we've

[4:18:28] found ways to make it profitable. And

[4:18:30] that would be my request or my input is

[4:18:32] that I think that the city would be

[4:18:34] opening themselves up to potential

[4:18:35] liability of adding more u restrictions

[4:18:40] as it regards to people using their own

[4:18:42] homes. Whereas anybody who has a

[4:18:45] business license, they can be open 30

[4:18:47] days. Yet, for some reason, if you have

[4:18:49] a short-term rental, you can only be

[4:18:50] open for 25 or only can have eight

[4:18:53] people into your business. That's my

[4:18:55] feedback that I want to give. Thank you,

[4:18:57] council.

[4:18:57] >> Thank you. Appreciate it.

[4:19:00] All right, Laura.

[4:19:03] Okay. Okay.

[4:19:06] Welcome.

[4:19:08] Hi. Sorry, we had some confusion with

[4:19:10] the people. So, Laura is actually Aubrey

[4:19:11] who took my place, so I'm going to speak

[4:19:13] for her. I'm Morgan Romney. Um, so

[4:19:15] you've heard a lot from the Romney's

[4:19:16] tonight. So, um, I appreciate that. I

[4:19:19] know. I'm sorry. This is not how city

[4:19:20] councils go, but I'm going to come up

[4:19:22] and take my turn. So, um, I'm Nico's

[4:19:25] wife, Morgan. Um, just some quick

[4:19:27] background. I lived in, uh, ORM up until

[4:19:29] we got married, and he made me move to

[4:19:30] Salt Lake County, so I I apologize. Um,

[4:19:33] but, um, I attended UVU. I have friends

[4:19:35] and co-workers that live in Oram. Um,

[4:19:38] and the one thing that everyone can

[4:19:39] agree on is that it is an amazing city.

[4:19:41] My favorite festival is the, um, the

[4:19:43] Ormfest they were just talking about

[4:19:45] tonight. Um, also the ORM library is

[4:19:47] amazing. I've worked in tourism industry

[4:19:50] for almost my whole career. Um, and my

[4:19:52] husband prides himself on helping locals

[4:19:54] with homes that would otherwise they

[4:19:56] would otherwise lose because of various

[4:19:57] situations. His first home he bought was

[4:20:00] actually in Orum which was the jumping

[4:20:02] point to what we now live in. I think

[4:20:05] that it's important to have places for

[4:20:06] business people, families of citizens

[4:20:08] and tourism tourists to come stay for

[4:20:11] extended period and fall in love with

[4:20:13] what I think we um all love about ORM.

[4:20:16] Uh Nico has been able to hire local

[4:20:18] cleaners, lawnmowers, plumbers, and

[4:20:20] repairmen. I hear a lot about it um all

[4:20:23] the time, right? Um we're also uh a

[4:20:26] small business just trying to survive.

[4:20:28] um if we say an absolute no, which I

[4:20:30] know we're not, but um just the thought

[4:20:33] behind the different rules um to these

[4:20:36] short terms, many people may lose income

[4:20:40] um in a very turbulent time in our

[4:20:41] econom economic history. Thank you for

[4:20:44] your time and considerations. Again, I'm

[4:20:46] sorry for the the back and forth with

[4:20:47] the presentations, but thank you.

[4:20:49] >> All right. Thank you. And Nico, has she

[4:20:52] forgiven you for having her leave or

[4:20:56] Okay.

[4:20:58] All right. Thank you. All right, council

[4:21:01] and members of the of the audience, that

[4:21:04] concludes our personal appearances.

[4:21:07] Thank you for coming and being part of

[4:21:09] the process here in our city. We really

[4:21:10] appreciate hearing from you. Our next

[4:21:13] item on our agenda is um our one consent

[4:21:16] item. We have needed to update our city

[4:21:18] council 2026 schedule and so I would

[4:21:22] look for a motion to approve that

[4:21:24] consent item.

[4:21:27] So moved.

[4:21:27] >> Thank you. Um, council member Kilpac, do

[4:21:29] you have a second?

[4:21:30] >> I'll second.

[4:21:31] >> All right. Thank you, Miss U. Council

[4:21:33] Member Mikum. All right. Al,

[4:21:36] I'm going to vote I and we'll go this

[4:21:38] way.

[4:21:38] >> I

[4:21:42] >> All right. Thank you. Motion carries. U

[4:21:45] items for now items 10. Um, the

[4:21:48] scheduled items. 10.1 is a presentation

[4:21:51] of the ORM community development or CDBG

[4:21:54] updated annual action plan and proposed

[4:21:57] budget. And our presenters uh this

[4:21:59] evening are Bradley Day, our community

[4:22:01] and sustainability officer, and Jessica

[4:22:03] Dellora, Mountainland Association of

[4:22:05] Governments. So, welcome.

[4:22:07] >> Thank you.

[4:22:08] >> Is that on? Okay. Thank you so much for

[4:22:11] having us. As uh Mayor McKenna said, I'm

[4:22:13] Jessica Dellora with Mountainland

[4:22:14] Association of Governments. um work

[4:22:17] closely with Bradley on the community

[4:22:19] development block grant program. So, do

[4:22:21] you have anything or would you like to

[4:22:22] start?

[4:22:23] >> Okay. Um so, tonight we were originally

[4:22:26] planning to um have the council vote on

[4:22:28] a resolution to approve the draft annual

[4:22:31] action plan that we submit to HUD every

[4:22:33] year. Um but we didn't need to make a

[4:22:36] change to the plan and um push that

[4:22:38] timeline back a little bit. So, I'm

[4:22:39] going to talk to you about that. If I

[4:22:41] get too into the CDBG speak and don't

[4:22:43] make any sense, please feel free to

[4:22:45] interrupt me. so I can uh try again.

[4:22:48] Okay.

[4:22:50] Um so there are two two um things that

[4:22:53] we're trying to accomplish right now

[4:22:54] with the CDBG program. One is submit

[4:22:56] that annual action plan and the other is

[4:22:59] to wrap up um the city's revolving loan

[4:23:02] fund and reprogram those funds for other

[4:23:04] uses. So I'll give you a little

[4:23:06] background about the revolving loan

[4:23:08] fund. Um the the program was started I

[4:23:10] think several decades ago if I'm

[4:23:12] correct. Um, okay. Several decades ago

[4:23:15] to help small businesses through um

[4:23:18] loans for working capital and those

[4:23:20] kinds of things. Um, there have been

[4:23:22] many successful businesses that I'm sure

[4:23:24] you're aware of that got their start

[4:23:26] with these funds. Um, but it has become

[4:23:28] increasingly difficult for businesses

[4:23:31] um to meet the federal requirements,

[4:23:34] compliance and reporting requirements of

[4:23:36] the CDBG funds for the smaller dollar

[4:23:39] amount that they can get through the

[4:23:41] program. um that costbenefit analys

[4:23:44] analysis hasn't really worked out um in

[4:23:46] the last few years. So um the um the

[4:23:52] last loan was made in 2017, so it's not

[4:23:54] been super active as you can tell. Um

[4:23:58] and uh so that means that there are now

[4:24:00] some unspent funds that were programmed

[4:24:02] for the business loan for uh program

[4:24:04] that haven't been used. So that's about

[4:24:06] $350,000

[4:24:09] um in that program and that has

[4:24:11] triggered a different issue with HUD um

[4:24:13] what they call the timeliness test. You

[4:24:15] can't have more than 1.5 times your

[4:24:17] annual allocation in your um CDBG bank

[4:24:20] account. And so we're trying to address

[4:24:23] the revolving loan fund um so that we

[4:24:25] can get under that 1.5% as we pursue

[4:24:28] other projects.

[4:24:31] Um in 2021 um HUD came and did a routine

[4:24:35] monitoring of the program. A couple of

[4:24:37] businesses um did raise flags. They were

[4:24:40] unsuccessful in their business or unable

[4:24:42] to um provide the jobs required for the

[4:24:45] CDBG funding. Um and so what that did

[4:24:48] was trigger a finding that the city had

[4:24:50] been working through and then when MAG

[4:24:52] came on to administer, we've um

[4:24:53] continued that work to help the city

[4:24:55] reconcile the historic records from many

[4:24:57] decades um and just make sure that we're

[4:25:00] ready to close that program with the

[4:25:02] CDBG program and HUD. Um so as I

[4:25:05] mentioned, we've been working to do

[4:25:06] that. That leaves us with $350,000

[4:25:09] and we do have to include that amount in

[4:25:12] the upcoming annual action plan. We just

[4:25:14] found out from HUD in order to meet that

[4:25:16] timeliness. We've got to program it into

[4:25:18] the current action plan. Um that wasn't

[4:25:20] originally in the budget for this year's

[4:25:23] action plan because we were still

[4:25:24] working with HUD to resolve it. The

[4:25:26] government shutdown and their um short

[4:25:29] staffing put all of that work on hold

[4:25:31] and so we've reinitiated that

[4:25:33] conversation, but the timing has just

[4:25:35] really not been great. So, um, what we

[4:25:37] need to do is reprogram those funds, um,

[4:25:40] in a placeholder project for this year's

[4:25:43] action plan. What that means is that

[4:25:45] we'll put a generic capital improvements

[4:25:47] project into the plan. Um, we'll restart

[4:25:51] the public comment period um, and then

[4:25:53] come back to you next month to get a

[4:25:55] resolution to approve that plan. We'll

[4:25:58] then um work with the city and with the

[4:26:00] citizen commission and take public input

[4:26:03] on how to actually reprogram those

[4:26:05] $350,000. So, we're putting a

[4:26:07] placeholder in there to meet one

[4:26:08] requirement so we can move forward on

[4:26:10] another one. A little convoluted, but

[4:26:12] that's how we're going to um address

[4:26:13] that.

[4:26:15] So, you can see this is the new um

[4:26:17] expected funding. The annual allocation,

[4:26:19] what we get regularly from HUD is that

[4:26:21] 563,000.

[4:26:23] Um, and there's about $100,000 from past

[4:26:26] year projects that came in under budget

[4:26:28] or um, didn't proceed for some reason.

[4:26:30] And then we do anticipate making a

[4:26:33] little bit of cash there on the um,

[4:26:35] single family rehab uh, loan program

[4:26:38] that we incorporate. And then you'll see

[4:26:39] that $350,000. So, we're looking at just

[4:26:42] over a million dollars to program for

[4:26:44] this year.

[4:26:46] And this is the new um, allocations by

[4:26:49] project type. So that 350 has gone into

[4:26:52] that first line item, the public

[4:26:53] facilities and infrastructure. Nothing

[4:26:55] else has changed in the projects that

[4:26:57] you saw presented um last month.

[4:27:03] And so our next steps um we'll be

[4:27:05] holding a public hearing at MAG and

[4:27:07] online on June 11th. We would normally

[4:27:09] try to do that in this setting, but

[4:27:11] because of your schedule, we can't get

[4:27:13] that done in time to submit the action

[4:27:15] plan. So we will make that available to

[4:27:17] citizens online and at our offices. um

[4:27:20] from 5:15 to 6:00 p.m. on June 11th. Um

[4:27:23] we have also opened a um comment period

[4:27:26] for the public just started a few days

[4:27:28] ago and will go through June 22nd. So

[4:27:30] we'll be taking comment that whole time.

[4:27:32] We have links to that um from the ORM

[4:27:35] website to the ORM CDBG website that we

[4:27:37] host. So we will take those comments. Um

[4:27:39] and then we will come back to this

[4:27:41] council to vote to approve that action

[4:27:43] plan on June 23rd and submit that to

[4:27:46] HUD. Um, and as I mentioned, we will

[4:27:49] work with the city um and the citizen

[4:27:52] commission to identify priority projects

[4:27:54] once we get past this annual action plan

[4:27:56] submission.

[4:27:58] That's all I have.

[4:27:59] >> Thank you.

[4:28:00] >> Yeah.

[4:28:01] >> Uh, I know that in our discussions that the um the hold up on the on the

[4:28:08] 350,000 is not our city's doing. It's you've been wanting to do something

[4:28:14] get this, but it's been on the federal

[4:28:16] >> Yep. federal government. And the reason

[4:28:18] I just want to point out one of the as I

[4:28:19] read this, the reason why this money

[4:28:21] hasn't been used is because the dollar

[4:28:24] amounts that are available council for

[4:28:27] revolving loans do not justify the

[4:28:31] amount of bureaucracy

[4:28:34] >> needed to accept and use the loans. Is

[4:28:37] that is that a fair statement?

[4:28:38] >> Very fair statement. Yes.

[4:28:40] >> Okay. So, I just want to make sure that it's it just wasn't worth it. So,

[4:28:45] um, council, do you have any questions

[4:28:48] for Jessica or Bradley? Okay, thank you.

[4:28:50] Um, council member Miller.

[4:28:52] >> Okay. And I talked to Jessica earlier.

[4:28:53] Um, so just a few more comments. Um, I

[4:28:58] really appreciate this 350,000 and I

[4:29:00] appreciate your mentioning the um our

[4:29:04] rehab loan program. Really hoping that

[4:29:07] we can have some opportunity to further

[4:29:10] invest in ORM through renewal through

[4:29:13] that program. I think you've done some

[4:29:14] great things. Um, one of the the and

[4:29:17] having spoken with her, talked about

[4:29:19] this is our plan. We are at the end of

[4:29:22] this cycle. Your presentation here is at

[4:29:25] the end just to make it clear to

[4:29:26] everyone and we will be doing a new

[4:29:30] cycle this fall. Yep.

[4:29:32] >> With applications and everything. One

[4:29:34] thing we did kind of chat about was

[4:29:36] expanding the opportunities to other

[4:29:38] nonprofits. As I've looked through the

[4:29:40] plans, I was on CDBG for a few months my

[4:29:42] first year on the council and then I got

[4:29:44] shifted to another I think the Lake

[4:29:46] Authority Commission or something. I

[4:29:48] can't remember. But um um I I'm seeing

[4:29:53] the same nonprofits

[4:29:55] um that are receiving CDBG benefits. And

[4:29:58] I looked on like I just did a search

[4:30:01] today of um uh food pantry resources or

[4:30:06] groups, you know, nonprofits for that.

[4:30:08] And there were some great fun names like

[4:30:10] Lasagna Love and Homestyle Direct Meals

[4:30:13] and Mom's Meals, you know, things like

[4:30:15] that. And I think one of the things that

[4:30:17] we talked about was um p food pantries

[4:30:20] are great, but as I've been involved in

[4:30:23] some um efforts to help feed our

[4:30:27] children, um I'm finding that it's the

[4:30:30] same problem I have in my home. I go to

[4:30:32] the grocery store, I buy things, and

[4:30:34] they don't always make it in a meal to

[4:30:36] the table cuz maybe I don't plan ahead

[4:30:38] enough to put it all together at the

[4:30:40] right time or whatever reason or maybe

[4:30:42] there's an education aspect there. So, I

[4:30:44] guess I'm just advocating for two

[4:30:46] things. The first one is maybe in the

[4:30:48] future when we start looking for new

[4:30:50] projects, look for different ideas. Look for ways to maybe deliver a meal to

[4:30:55] a family versus little parts of a meal

[4:30:57] that they don't know what to do with and

[4:30:59] then some education in cooking. I know

[4:31:01] our my hometown is having classes on

[4:31:04] meal prep to help families. We all think

[4:31:08] we know how to do that, but there are a

[4:31:10] lot of people who weren't raised in a

[4:31:11] family that had a meal on the table um

[4:31:14] for them for their family unfortunately,

[4:31:17] right? Um and I guess the last thing

[4:31:19] would be the second thing is just that

[4:31:22] point of uh you talk about the red tape

[4:31:25] issues, mayor, help us help you. You

[4:31:28] know, we were sitting in an event here

[4:31:30] Saturday with Senator Curtis here in

[4:31:33] ORM. I see Senator Lee often. I would

[4:31:36] love to know what the needs are, how we

[4:31:38] can cut the bureaucratic red tape or

[4:31:40] give suggestions to push up the pipeline

[4:31:43] directly from you from the needs that

[4:31:45] you have. And otherwise, you know,

[4:31:47] there's going to be other people making

[4:31:48] those suggestions. So, why not have it

[4:31:50] be us, right? Why not you?

[4:31:52] >> Yep.

[4:31:53] >> So, anyway, I look forward to working

[4:31:54] with you more in the future and having

[4:31:56] that teamwork to try to fix some of

[4:31:59] these things that bureaucracy just

[4:32:01] shouldn't be involved in.

[4:32:03] >> Yeah, absolutely. And if I may respond,

[4:32:04] I appreciate those comments and I think

[4:32:06] they point to um maybe a two-prong

[4:32:08] approach we can take to make sure that

[4:32:10] the applications we receive are meeting

[4:32:12] the needs of the city and are being used

[4:32:14] effectively. Um the first one at just

[4:32:17] the local level is um building up

[4:32:20] organizations that don't currently have

[4:32:22] the capacity to meet all those

[4:32:24] compliance requirements in the long

[4:32:26] term. Um, I think working with our

[4:32:29] elected officials at the federal level

[4:32:31] to try and streamline some of that is a

[4:32:33] good way to go, but in the short term,

[4:32:35] building capacity of organizations to

[4:32:37] meet those. Mayor McCandless, you know

[4:32:39] how uh complicated it can be to meet all

[4:32:42] the requirements and submit all the

[4:32:44] reporting, have all the financial

[4:32:45] management and um administrative

[4:32:47] controls in place to comply with CDBG.

[4:32:50] It's just it's not easy um for

[4:32:52] organizations. So, I think one thing we

[4:32:54] could do is um if we target

[4:32:57] organizations that are doing the work

[4:32:58] that the city thinks is important and

[4:33:00] would like to see um doing some um

[4:33:03] technical assistance to help them

[4:33:05] prepare for receiving a grant or being

[4:33:08] competitive to receive a grant. So, we

[4:33:09] would um certainly love to hear any

[4:33:12] organizations that you have your eye on

[4:33:14] that might, you know, carry out the work

[4:33:16] that we need that we could help build

[4:33:17] that capacity so that when application

[4:33:19] time comes, um we know that they can

[4:33:21] carry it out. We don't want to set any

[4:33:23] organization up for failure with a

[4:33:25] federal grant that could end up in in

[4:33:27] paybacks and non non-compliance. So

[4:33:29] that's really important, I think, on our

[4:33:30] level. Did you have

[4:33:32] >> I just I was just going to mention Thank

[4:33:33] you. That's that's the thing. As I was

[4:33:35] thinking about these little groups, I

[4:33:37] first thought it'd be interesting to

[4:33:39] have a consortium of the of the groups

[4:33:41] and have have one person be the do all

[4:33:44] the compliance or like what when I was

[4:33:46] at when I was um running community

[4:33:48] action, what we would do is we would

[4:33:49] work with little organizations who

[4:33:51] didn't have the capacity for the

[4:33:53] financial or the compliance capacity and

[4:33:56] we subcontract with them. So they

[4:33:58] actually were able to provide the

[4:34:00] services that they had that they have,

[4:34:02] but they didn't have to have all of that

[4:34:05] expertise

[4:34:06] >> on staff. Yep. And so that that's a good

[4:34:09] point that there a lot of different

[4:34:10] options out there because I I follow

[4:34:13] Lasagna Love on there was one perman

[4:34:16] because I follow them on social media

[4:34:17] and they're wonderful wonderful

[4:34:19] organization and I and I love lasagna

[4:34:23] and so but and and then food security is

[4:34:26] near and dear to my heart. But yeah, I

[4:34:28] think that there are some options that

[4:34:30] we have as as council members to let to

[4:34:33] let Bradley know, let Jessica know that

[4:34:36] how can we what's important to our

[4:34:38] community and and let's see are there

[4:34:39] partners out there who can help

[4:34:41] facilitate that.

[4:34:42] >> Yep. And I'll say um we maintain a

[4:34:45] funding availability mailing list. Um

[4:34:48] it's thousands of entries long at this

[4:34:49] point. So we're always adding new

[4:34:51] organizations as they come along or get

[4:34:53] on our radar um or maybe do work that

[4:34:55] fits with CDBG. Um, our website has a

[4:34:58] link where any organization or

[4:34:59] individual can get on that mailing list

[4:35:01] or if we hear it from any of you, we'd

[4:35:03] be happy to add people to it. So, that

[4:35:05] can help us reach more organizations and

[4:35:07] also um if you have one specifically

[4:35:09] you're interested in, we can do that

[4:35:11] targeted technical assistance to see if

[4:35:13] they're a good fit for um funding for

[4:35:16] that program. And can I just the lasagna

[4:35:18] love? It looked to me like they just

[4:35:19] deliver lasagna, right? They deliver

[4:35:21] love lasagna. But why not? And I think

[4:35:24] we maybe said this, deliver a recipe

[4:35:26] with it. Deliver. This is how you can

[4:35:28] make it in your home. This is what you

[4:35:30] have to buy. Mom, you know, who's

[4:35:32] overwhelmed already with looking for a

[4:35:34] job or making ends meet. But anyway,

[4:35:36] just I would love to see a little more

[4:35:38] out of the box thinking on ways we can

[4:35:40] and I really appreciate Mary you're

[4:35:42] saying that of how to help these other

[4:35:44] groups y

[4:35:45] >> become more effective. Um and then I

[4:35:47] think our other um maybe suggestion of

[4:35:49] how we could accomplish um your goals um

[4:35:52] once we identify projects that you're

[4:35:54] interested in and find a partner that

[4:35:56] has capacity to implement that is to um

[4:36:00] we'd love to run a project you know

[4:36:02] together and see is this feasible is it

[4:36:05] eligible for CDBG what are all the

[4:36:06] compliance requirements that come with

[4:36:08] that particular type of activity um we

[4:36:10] always want to do that as early as

[4:36:12] possible so we don't spend a lot of time

[4:36:15] building a project that ultimately is

[4:36:17] just a bad fit for CDBG and they're just

[4:36:19] are projects like that. Um, and I think

[4:36:21] our experience has really helped us find

[4:36:23] what those are. So, if you have an idea

[4:36:25] you want to kick around, we'd love to do

[4:36:26] that in the early stages and say, "Okay,

[4:36:28] if you want to do this, here's the kind

[4:36:29] of stuff. Here's the data we'll have to

[4:36:32] um get from the from the organization

[4:36:34] that they'll have to report on clients

[4:36:35] and all those kinds of things." It helps

[4:36:37] us really figure out what's feasible

[4:36:38] early on in the stage. So, we would love

[4:36:40] to do that. That process also helps us

[4:36:42] identify where the red tape is. So we

[4:36:44] can say this project would be great.

[4:36:46] Here's the CDBG red tape that is holding

[4:36:48] it back. And those might be the things

[4:36:50] that we could take to our federal

[4:36:51] elected officials and say this isn't

[4:36:54] regulatory required, but it's been a HUD

[4:36:56] mandate and and those kinds of things we

[4:36:58] could maybe identify that way. Um and

[4:37:00] then again finding the right partners

[4:37:02] whose vision and mission aligns with

[4:37:04] what the city needs and building those

[4:37:06] projects as early as we can so that

[4:37:08] they're ready. And sometimes that takes

[4:37:10] more than one year or one cycle. and

[4:37:12] maybe we'll start the conversation in

[4:37:14] the next cycle, but they won't be ready

[4:37:15] to apply or to implement a project um

[4:37:17] until another year or two. So, those are

[4:37:20] my recommendations. Of course, we really

[4:37:22] need the city's help in identifying what

[4:37:24] it is you're looking for and the

[4:37:25] partners that would be a right fit, but

[4:37:26] we'd love to um help ideulate on those

[4:37:29] projects. That would be most beneficial.

[4:37:32] For sure.

[4:37:33] >> Yeah.

[4:37:33] >> All right. Any other comments, council?

[4:37:36] >> All right. Thank you. Yep. Appreciate

[4:37:38] it.

[4:37:38] >> See you next month.

[4:37:39] >> All right. We'll see you next month.

[4:37:41] Thank you.

[4:37:42] >> Right.

[4:37:45] Another Oh, a very long sentence. Okay.

[4:37:48] Public hearing. We have a public hearing

[4:37:50] now. Ordinance amending articles

[4:37:51] 2-15-2-1511

[4:37:56] 2-16-2

[4:37:58] and 22-21

[4:38:00] of the Orm City Code relating to the

[4:38:02] powers and duties of the planning

[4:38:04] commission and special exceptions.

[4:38:07] And it almost gave you enough time to

[4:38:09] get up here and set up.

[4:38:10] >> Almost.

[4:38:11] >> Oh, I could could have done a little

[4:38:12] more slowly, but I didn't.

[4:38:14] >> Welcome. Um Jared Holler, planning

[4:38:16] manager, will be presenting.

[4:38:18] >> Thank you.

[4:38:20] >> If he gets everything plugged in and

[4:38:22] running, he'll be presenting.

[4:38:28] » So, thanks. I um this is a text

[4:38:30] amendment that the um planning staff

[4:38:32] brought forward. We u just to to put it

[4:38:34] in a nutshell has a lot of different

[4:38:36] articles and citations there you can

[4:38:39] really break it down into two parts and

[4:38:40] I want to background it first by saying

[4:38:42] there are different things that the

[4:38:43] planning commission does different

[4:38:44] things that the board of adjustments

[4:38:46] does among those things are special

[4:38:48] exceptions these are already part of

[4:38:49] code the board of adjustments usually

[4:38:51] when people think of the board of

[4:38:52] adjustments they think about variances

[4:38:53] and that's still correct the board of

[4:38:55] adjustments handles variances in their

[4:38:56] powers and duties and they handle a

[4:38:58] couple of different special exceptions

[4:39:00] which don't have to meet the same uh

[4:39:02] really stringent standards of special of

[4:39:04] U variances. The planning commission

[4:39:07] does uh land use recommendations to you

[4:39:08] legislatively and does the

[4:39:10] administrative duties that they have and

[4:39:11] those powers and duties are all in

[4:39:13] article 2 for both of those different

[4:39:14] bodies. So that's why you see the

[4:39:15] article 2 references. Article 221 is

[4:39:18] part of our zoning code and it's a

[4:39:20] specific special exception. Okay. So

[4:39:22] what does this amendment that we're

[4:39:23] proposing do? It changes the it makes a

[4:39:26] couple of changes to powers and duties

[4:39:27] as they relate to the board of

[4:39:28] adjustments and the planning commission

[4:39:30] in order to transfer to transfer the

[4:39:32] review and um granting of special

[4:39:34] exceptions from the board to the

[4:39:36] planning commission instead. Um and

[4:39:39] specifically there are two special

[4:39:41] exceptions in our code. One is for

[4:39:42] billboards um because the billboard

[4:39:44] lobby has power to say we want to change

[4:39:46] this billboard or relocate it because of

[4:39:48] these circumstances and we grant a

[4:39:50] special exception for a very couple of

[4:39:51] very specific circumstances. The board

[4:39:53] of adjustments has traditionally

[4:39:54] reviewed those and said okay uh and

[4:39:57] granted them if it meets the standards.

[4:39:59] And then the second one is a finding of

[4:40:00] an exception to allow multif family

[4:40:02] development on single family parcels in

[4:40:05] certain circumstances. There's a long

[4:40:06] list of circumstances that you have to

[4:40:08] make that finding for. Uh we're not

[4:40:10] proposing any changes to those. That's

[4:40:11] in addition to this. What does it not

[4:40:13] do? It just transfers the burden of

[4:40:16] reviewing those exceptions and the

[4:40:18] eligibility for them and then granting

[4:40:20] them to the planning commission instead

[4:40:22] of the board of adjustments. Does that

[4:40:23] make sense enough?

[4:40:24] >> So, it's just who who reviews it. No,

[4:40:27] we're not making any change proposing

[4:40:29] any changes to any of the other

[4:40:31] ordinances or anything.

[4:40:32] >> That's exactly right.

[4:40:33] >> Just who who it goes to for review.

[4:40:35] Okay.

[4:40:35] >> That that's exactly right. Um, so this

[4:40:38] is the list of them. Uh some of them are

[4:40:41] things that we there are in 25 or sorry

[4:40:43] in 2152 for example that's an addition.

[4:40:46] It doesn't say anything about the board

[4:40:47] or sorry about the planning commission

[4:40:48] in its powers and duties doing special

[4:40:50] exceptions. So we would need to say

[4:40:52] specifically they're they're empowered

[4:40:54] to do that. 21510 is that exception for

[4:40:57] relocating billboards. Um that section

[4:41:00] is related to the BOA. We would strike

[4:41:02] that because we wouldn't want them to do

[4:41:03] that anymore if this is approved. 2162

[4:41:06] that's powers of the board. We would

[4:41:08] strike them hearing those exceptions

[4:41:09] 21611 that grants the that creates a

[4:41:12] section or changes the name for the BOA

[4:41:14] and the planning commission hear them

[4:41:15] instead. And then 2221 again that

[4:41:17] criteria there are a couple of places in

[4:41:19] the body of 2221 where it references the

[4:41:22] board of adjustments must make this

[4:41:23] finding in order to grant eligibility

[4:41:25] for this exception. Uh we would change

[4:41:27] those to planning commission and that is

[4:41:29] in a nutshell what this would do. We

[4:41:32] don't have a lot of applications for

[4:41:33] this. There aren't a lot of properties

[4:41:34] that meet eligibility. Um the ones that

[4:41:37] we've had brought to us so far have

[4:41:38] failed uh eligibility and haven't been

[4:41:40] eligible. So we'll we'll keep

[4:41:42] >> All right. Thank you.

[4:41:44] >> Um Council Member Mikum.

[4:41:47] >> So uh Jared, I I was there planning

[4:41:50] commission when this was brought forward

[4:41:51] and they it made sense to them. Um gives

[4:41:54] them more stuff to do potentially. Um uh

[4:41:57] my understanding is that one of the

[4:41:59] motivations for this change is that the

[4:42:01] board of adjustments meets very

[4:42:02] irregularly.

[4:42:03] >> Yes. and that can cause problems um in

[4:42:07] terms of getting things done and the

[4:42:09] planning commission meets twice a month

[4:42:11] and so planning commission would be able

[4:42:13] to deal with these in a much more timely

[4:42:14] way. Is that correct?

[4:42:15] >> That's that's correct for for two

[4:42:17] reasons really. The first being that the

[4:42:19] board doesn't meet as often or it meets

[4:42:21] very irregularly only when there are

[4:42:22] applications. And the second being that

[4:42:24] part of article 2221,

[4:42:28] everyone hates me when I talk about

[4:42:29] 2221. The staff is so sick of it. When

[4:42:32] part of article 221 is finding the

[4:42:34] eligibility, that's the board of

[4:42:35] adjustments job. And then within that

[4:42:37] same body, the planning commission has

[4:42:39] to review a site plan if it's approved

[4:42:41] for eligibility, if it's granted the

[4:42:43] special exception, and then apply all of

[4:42:45] these different standards. and they are

[4:42:46] a little different than normal multif

[4:42:48] family or site planning standards. So it

[4:42:50] just made sense to say why are two

[4:42:53] different bodies reviewing the same

[4:42:54] standards and then one of them is saying

[4:42:56] okay you can apply these standards and

[4:42:57] the next body is applying them let's

[4:42:58] just let the one body do it especially

[4:43:00] because they're land use decisions

[4:43:01] having to do with the billboards and the

[4:43:03] uh the multif family standard there. Um

[4:43:06] my my second question is

[4:43:09] uh how does the board of adjustments

[4:43:11] feel about this and uh what duties

[4:43:15] remain for them that we are not

[4:43:17] transferring over?

[4:43:18] >> They they still get that's a great

[4:43:20] question. They still get in my opinion

[4:43:21] the worst of all possible land use

[4:43:23] duties which is variance. They still

[4:43:24] have to review variances which are just

[4:43:27] monstrous things to have to review. The

[4:43:29] five tests of hardship and emotions run

[4:43:31] really high. So, they still have a

[4:43:33] terrible job to do. And I would ask them

[4:43:34] if I could convene them, but all of them

[4:43:35] are um are are in that period between

[4:43:39] having served. We need a new board of

[4:43:40] adjustments. So, I don't know how they

[4:43:42] feel about it. You'd have to contact

[4:43:44] them. Um my guess is they've probably

[4:43:46] not reviewed a lot of these exceptions

[4:43:48] over the years. Their job, their main

[4:43:49] job has always been variances and

[4:43:51] probably always willing and appeals.

[4:43:52] They hear appeals, too. So, they get two

[4:43:54] of the worst jobs. So, do you have a

[4:43:55] sense on an annual basis how many of

[4:43:57] these uh special exceptions might come

[4:43:59] before either the board of adjustments

[4:44:01] or the planning commission?

[4:44:02] >> I only know of one that was done in I

[4:44:03] think 20. One was reviewed in like 2018,

[4:44:05] 2019, something like that. So, I'm only

[4:44:08] aware of the one. I wouldn't expect one

[4:44:10] more than every couple of years

[4:44:12] possibly.

[4:44:12] >> I've only had seen a board of

[4:44:14] adjustments meeting once in 5 years.

[4:44:16] >> Yeah.

[4:44:17] >> And that was Yeah. And that was maybe

[4:44:19] for an exception. We had the board of

[4:44:20] adjustments meet for a variance. In the

[4:44:23] two years I've been here, not quite two

[4:44:24] years, had the board of adjustments meet

[4:44:26] once. Um, previous locations, previous

[4:44:28] municipalities where I've worked in in

[4:44:30] later years, boards of adjustments have

[4:44:32] met less frequently. For actual variance

[4:44:34] cases, I might hear two or three a year

[4:44:36] at the very most in a very active BOA.

[4:44:40] >> Right. Council, any other questions?

[4:44:43] All right. This is a public hearing, so

[4:44:44] I'm going to go ahead and open the

[4:44:45] public hearing. is if anyone who anyone

[4:44:48] would like to speak to these proposed

[4:44:51] amendments to the city code, you're

[4:44:53] welcome to come up and introduce

[4:44:54] yourself and and make your comments.

[4:45:03] Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the

[4:45:05] public hearing and bring it back to the

[4:45:06] council. So, council, what would you

[4:45:09] like to do with this?

[4:45:13] Mayor, I'd like to make a motion.

[4:45:16] I move to approve by ordinance amending

[4:45:18] articles 2-15-2,

[4:45:20] 2-2-15-11,

[4:45:23] 2-16-2, and 22-21

[4:45:27] of the ORM city code relating to the

[4:45:29] powers and duties of the planning

[4:45:30] commission and special exceptions.

[4:45:33] >> Right. Thank you. We have a motion.

[4:45:35] >> I second.

[4:45:35] >> Right. Thank you, Council Member Kilpac

[4:45:37] for the second. So, we have a motion and

[4:45:39] a second to approve. Is there any more

[4:45:40] discussion?

[4:45:42] All right. Council member Kilpac, how do

[4:45:43] you vote?

[4:45:44] >> I Okay, the motion carries. Thank you.

[4:45:52] Next item on the agenda is a public

[4:45:54] hearing, another one. It's an ordinance

[4:45:56] amending article 22-5-3A

[4:46:00] in the zoning map of the city of ORM by

[4:46:02] changing the zone of the property

[4:46:04] located generally at 355 West University

[4:46:06] Parkway from R8 single family

[4:46:08] residential to C2 commercial together

[4:46:12] with a development agreement limiting

[4:46:14] certain uses. So I'll go turn the time

[4:46:16] over to you uh Mr. Hall.

[4:46:17] >> Thank you. Um thanks again. So this is a

[4:46:20] request for a zone change as you said to

[4:46:23] C2. This property that you can see here,

[4:46:25] it's just under six acres. This was the

[4:46:28] um the the demonstration gardens for the conservation district or the u

[4:46:33] I'm getting the wrong word. I'm

[4:46:35] distracted by the the Garden of Eden.

[4:46:36] It's like we're conducting the people's

[4:46:38] business from the Garden of Eden here.

[4:46:40] We should have this all the time. By the

[4:46:42] time you get to Bren, you're in the

[4:46:43] wasteland and then further out the

[4:46:45] further you go that way. But you guys

[4:46:46] are all good still. So, um, it it yeah,

[4:46:52] it was the it was a it was a

[4:46:53] demonstration garden. It stayed in the

[4:46:55] R8 zone. So, it's a non-conforming use,

[4:46:57] this office building here. It's been

[4:46:59] used as an office for some time, but

[4:47:00] it's been non-conforming to the R8 zone.

[4:47:02] The applicants in this case have come uh

[4:47:05] with an application to change the zoning

[4:47:07] to C2. This is University Parkway out

[4:47:09] front. Um, the the project is this is a

[4:47:13] snip from the land use map in the

[4:47:14] general plan. Uh, it's regional

[4:47:16] commercial. C2 is one of the zones

[4:47:18] that's prescribed by regional

[4:47:19] commercial. There are several um most of

[4:47:21] the properties along the Parkway are in

[4:47:23] this regional commercial uh land use

[4:47:25] category. Several of them in terms of

[4:47:27] zoning or in for example highway

[4:47:29] services here and then the PD5 which is

[4:47:30] a specialized uh commercial zone, a

[4:47:33] development agreement kind of a zone and

[4:47:35] some others. Uh they've asked for the C2

[4:47:37] zoning for some flexibility in site

[4:47:39] planning. Uh a PD zone um limits the

[4:47:43] site plan. They're shopping for

[4:47:44] different tenants. They want to have

[4:47:46] some ability to This is really good

[4:47:48] visibility for some great retail. They

[4:47:50] want it as as uh potential developers to

[4:47:53] be able to accommodate uh different uh

[4:47:56] higherend retail establishments if they

[4:47:58] come through. They have provided a

[4:47:59] concept site plan um because we ask for

[4:48:03] that with our zone change applications.

[4:48:05] Uh the site plan they provided as you

[4:48:08] can see it incorporates still that

[4:48:10] office building that that would remain.

[4:48:12] Uh and then another about 12,000 ft²

[4:48:14] just over 12,000 square ft of retail can

[4:48:16] be accommodated with the parking that's

[4:48:18] needed uh in that area and they would

[4:48:20] choose that kind of high side visibility

[4:48:22] to University Parkway. There are

[4:48:24] standards in place with C2 zoning that

[4:48:26] require buffering from residential uh

[4:48:28] buildings have to be set back at least

[4:48:29] the height of the building uh from

[4:48:31] residential property lines. And as you

[4:48:32] can see there is this very established

[4:48:35] uh residential neighborhood uh just to

[4:48:37] the rear. Uh there's already a wall in

[4:48:39] place back here and some landscaping

[4:48:41] that would all be maintained in any kind

[4:48:42] of a site plan for the buffer. Uh again

[4:48:45] though, I want to stress that site plans

[4:48:47] are we we look at concepts for these

[4:48:49] zone changes, but the C2 would allow

[4:48:51] them to hunt for different tenants for

[4:48:52] these areas and and site planning as a

[4:48:56] process. If it were reszoned to R,

[4:48:58] sorry, to R2. If it were reszoned to C2

[4:49:01] zoning, they'd still have to come back

[4:49:02] through the planning commission for any

[4:49:04] site plan and development. Um, so that's one thing to be aware of.

[4:49:08] >> So this site plan is not part of the

[4:49:10] development agreement.

[4:49:11] >> Not part of the development. Okay. The

[4:49:12] development agreement that they proposed

[4:49:13] after meeting with the neighborhood and

[4:49:15] then with the planning commission uh is

[4:49:17] limited to uses. They um the

[4:49:20] neighborhood was concerned about uh

[4:49:22] vehicle oriented uses, car sales, gas

[4:49:24] stations, that kind of thing. Uh they

[4:49:26] had no problem with that as as a as a

[4:49:28] developer. In fact, they just added

[4:49:30] several things to that as well. um areas

[4:49:33] that they're not interested or different

[4:49:35] um sorry different uses that they're not

[4:49:37] really interested in leasing to on this

[4:49:38] property. So they would eliminate those

[4:49:40] in their uh development agreement as

[4:49:43] well. The planning commission added

[4:49:44] tattooing to that when they made their

[4:49:46] motion at their public hearing. Um they

[4:49:49] held their hearing on April 1st. Then

[4:49:51] the applicant went developed development

[4:49:53] agreement came back on April 15th and uh

[4:49:56] they were voted 6 to0 to recommend the

[4:49:58] city approval along with that

[4:50:00] development agreement. But it is limited

[4:50:02] to uses, these different uses that they

[4:50:04] would voluntarily eliminate from their

[4:50:07] lists.

[4:50:08] >> All right. Thank you. Any questions for

[4:50:11] um Mr. Hall? Right. The applicant here

[4:50:13] this evening. All right. Welcome. Would

[4:50:15] you like to come up and introduce

[4:50:17] yourself? And if there's anything you

[4:50:18] would like to add, uh please feel free

[4:50:21] to do so.

[4:50:22] >> Absolutely. Thanks for having me

[4:50:23] tonight. My name is McKenna Christensen

[4:50:25] with Cole West. Um Jared gave a really

[4:50:28] great overview, but um just to give you

[4:50:30] a little more background, we chose the

[4:50:32] C2 zone rather than a PD. Um like Jared

[4:50:35] said, just to have some flexibility if

[4:50:38] we need to change some of the building

[4:50:40] elevations, make it bigger or smaller to

[4:50:42] accommodate tenants. Um we wanted the

[4:50:44] flexibility to be able to do that

[4:50:46] without having to come through an entire

[4:50:48] zone amendment process and then a site

[4:50:50] plan. Um, so we we had a a really good

[4:50:54] meeting with the neighbors, went to two

[4:50:56] planning commission meetings, talked

[4:50:57] through all the uses. Um, I think we

[4:50:59] landed on on a really good compromise

[4:51:01] with this development agreement, but if

[4:51:03] there's any questions, concerns, I'd be

[4:51:05] happy to answer any of those.

[4:51:07] >> All right. Thank you. Do you have

[4:51:08] council? Do you have any questions for

[4:51:10] the applicant? All right. Thank you, me.

[4:51:12] Um, council member Millet.

[4:51:14] >> Okay. Few questions. So, Cole West, what

[4:51:16] do you guys specialize in? You're a

[4:51:17] retail developer or what kind?

[4:51:18] >> Retail and residential. retail and

[4:51:20] residential. So, are you looking at

[4:51:21] mixed use for this area?

[4:51:23] >> Uh, we we are not looking at this site

[4:51:26] for mixed use. Um, we do all types of

[4:51:28] housing. We do forale single family, um,

[4:51:31] built for rent town homes, uh, single

[4:51:34] family homes. Looking at the general

[4:51:36] plan, it didn't seem like it was

[4:51:38] appropriate for this area and that this

[4:51:40] was more of, um, the commercial

[4:51:42] corridor. Um it is a great location

[4:51:44] being next to UVU, but um hearing about

[4:51:48] some of the historical history of the

[4:51:50] site um and some of the other ongoing

[4:51:52] developments in the city that were

[4:51:54] capitalizing on more uh dense multif

[4:51:56] family and residential. We didn't feel

[4:51:58] it was appropriate for this site.

[4:52:00] >> Okay. Cuz there it is pretty

[4:52:01] concentrated in that area already

[4:52:04] >> there. That street is really heavily

[4:52:06] concentrated with high density. Um on

[4:52:09] your So thank you for that. I look for I

[4:52:12] saw some little notes of potential

[4:52:14] retail um restaurant people there look

[4:52:17] great. Hopefully you can get one of them

[4:52:19] in particular that I love but um I won't

[4:52:22] mention it here but um let's see. Thank

[4:52:25] you so much to our planning commission

[4:52:26] for adding tattooing and thank you for

[4:52:28] not being interested in that of course.

[4:52:31] >> And then my last question is um on your

[4:52:33] site plan you did concentrate will you

[4:52:35] pull that up Jared? The site plan. So,

[4:52:38] it looks like that bottom part it I I'm

[4:52:40] guessing you don't need all that parking

[4:52:42] for what you these two buildings.

[4:52:45] >> No, probably not.

[4:52:46] >> Buildings.

[4:52:47] >> Probably not. All of the parking on the

[4:52:49] east side is really for the office.

[4:52:51] We'll need some of that um southwest

[4:52:54] corner for the two retail buildings,

[4:52:56] particularly if we have some restaurant

[4:52:58] users that typically take up some more

[4:53:00] parking, but it is unlikely we would

[4:53:03] need all of that parking. Okay. because

[4:53:05] I know there's like concerns. I've heard

[4:53:07] some of the neighbors with that exit,

[4:53:10] right? Um if there are a lot of cars,

[4:53:12] the facility that was there didn't

[4:53:14] really have a lot of in and out. Um but

[4:53:16] with this you would and it doesn't

[4:53:18] really line up with the other streets

[4:53:20] there. So I think Jared had I saw some

[4:53:22] notations somewhere. Is that something

[4:53:24] you're okay with maybe moving your

[4:53:27] entrance a little farther? Is that

[4:53:29] >> um or south? I think we would like to

[4:53:34] preserve it um if possible. I think with

[4:53:37] our site plan, we do still need to order

[4:53:38] a traffic study if that's correct. So, I

[4:53:41] think we'd probably want to wait for a

[4:53:42] traffic study to come back before we

[4:53:44] agreed to do that or not. Um if the

[4:53:47] traffic study determines that,

[4:53:48] obviously, that's something we would do,

[4:53:50] but we are we do have an existing tenant

[4:53:52] in the office building. We do want to

[4:53:54] minimize disruption to them as much as

[4:53:56] possible so it doesn't affect their

[4:53:57] business. having to move that location.

[4:53:59] We'd probably need to relocate a lot of

[4:54:01] utilities, disrupt the drive aisle, um

[4:54:04] do there is a lot of topography on the

[4:54:06] site, so there would probably be a lot

[4:54:08] of grading um that we would need to do.

[4:54:10] If we're required, we certainly will,

[4:54:13] but we want to um we don't want to cause

[4:54:16] disruptions that aren't necessary.

[4:54:17] >> So, I guess my So, right there, that

[4:54:19] corner right is um the southwest that's

[4:54:22] right next to the neighbors. And I read

[4:54:23] an email, something back and forth. It

[4:54:25] sounded like you're very interested in working with the neighbors and I

[4:54:28] appreciate that, but at this point

[4:54:30] you're telling me I'm guessing all that

[4:54:32] parking is not going to stay there.

[4:54:33] You're going to want to put something

[4:54:34] >> in that area cuz I don't think you need

[4:54:36] all that parking. Did you have anything

[4:54:38] in mind for that or?

[4:54:39] >> We don't have anything in mind for that

[4:54:41] yet. Um I think it's really going to be

[4:54:43] dependent on the uses right now. Um in

[4:54:46] the western building, we have two

[4:54:48] restaurants planned there and then a

[4:54:50] veterinarian that's planned in the

[4:54:52] eastern building. Um, we've had a couple

[4:54:54] conversations with a restaurant for that

[4:54:56] eastern building, too. Um, that they

[4:54:58] might need to grow that building. Um,

[4:55:00] depending on square footage and how many

[4:55:03] restaurants we have, it really could

[4:55:04] require all that parking. So, I can't

[4:55:07] give you a firm answer, but um, if that

[4:55:10] becomes excess kind of dead parking, I

[4:55:13] think that's something we could look at

[4:55:14] in the future.

[4:55:15] >> Okay. And then just, you know, I know at

[4:55:16] one point for this particular property

[4:55:19] five, six years ago, I saw something

[4:55:20] that there was a a possibility of a

[4:55:23] Longhorn steakhouse. And I just want to

[4:55:25] put that out there as a wonderful option

[4:55:27] if you ever

[4:55:32] » Rio, that would be good, too.

[4:55:35] >> Duran Duran,

[4:55:37] >> we have a Duran ongoing Duran Duran joke

[4:55:40] going tonight, so I'm sorry that

[4:55:41] >> No, you're totally fine. Um, yeah, we

[4:55:44] actually have talked to Longhorn about

[4:55:46] this project. We were going back and

[4:55:47] forth with them for a while. Um, I don't

[4:55:50] know if anything came of it, but I did

[4:55:52] hear they were looking somewhere else in

[4:55:54] the city that had a little more um

[4:55:56] anchoring uses um that they would want

[4:55:58] to be close to. So, okay.

[4:56:00] >> Um, they're I think they did pass on

[4:56:02] this site, but we tried to get them

[4:56:03] here. So,

[4:56:04] >> thank you.

[4:56:06] >> All right, council. Okay, Council Member

[4:56:08] Mikum. Um I you know I had the same

[4:56:11] question about parking that that seems

[4:56:14] for the size of the retail it seems like

[4:56:16] an excessive amount of parking. So I'm guessing by the time we we see a

[4:56:19] site plan that'll be more refined and

[4:56:21] we'll have a chance to

[4:56:22] >> to examine that in more detail. Uh uh

[4:56:26] can you uh remind me who is in that

[4:56:28] office building and how many employees

[4:56:31] that they have there? Greenex Pest

[4:56:33] Control. Um, their employee count, they

[4:56:37] typically need around 150 to 175 stalls

[4:56:40] talking to them. Their employee count

[4:56:42] varies by season. In the summer, they do

[4:56:45] a lot of doortodoor sales, so there's

[4:56:46] not quite as many people in office. Um,

[4:56:49] and then in the winter, it picks up a

[4:56:51] little bit, but their lease goes until

[4:56:53] 2032, I believe. So, they're planning on

[4:56:55] being there for a while.

[4:56:57] >> Okay.

[4:56:58] I I'll just say that this is kind of a

[4:57:00] uniquely positioned site, right? U it's

[4:57:04] is as you're going up the hill, as you

[4:57:06] come up University Parkway, um it has

[4:57:10] both opportunities and challenges,

[4:57:11] right? The opportunity is that it's it's

[4:57:13] a pretty unique space. Um and I think

[4:57:15] you could do something pretty fun and

[4:57:17] interesting there. I think the challenge

[4:57:20] is just that because of the elevation

[4:57:21] sometimes it might be hard to see some

[4:57:23] of that frontage. Uh it looks like

[4:57:25] you've got it right out there in in the

[4:57:27] front, which probably um make that work

[4:57:29] just fine. But I I would just encourage

[4:57:31] you to uh recognize that it's it's a

[4:57:34] unique kind of a special spot in the

[4:57:36] city and uh having something kind of

[4:57:39] special there, right, that also meets

[4:57:41] all of the traffic requirements and

[4:57:44] other things I think is appropriate.

[4:57:45] >> Okay. Thank you.

[4:57:48] >> Great. Thank you. Anybody else?

[4:57:51] All right. Thank you. This is a public

[4:57:52] hearing and I'm going to if goinghead

[4:57:56] and open that public hearing. If there's

[4:57:57] anyone who would like to come and speak

[4:57:59] to this item, um you are welcome to come

[4:58:01] up and do so.

[4:58:11] Seeing none, go ahead and close the

[4:58:13] public hearing and bring it back to the

[4:58:16] city council, right, for discussion. So,

[4:58:19] council, what what would you like to do

[4:58:21] with u this application?

[4:58:24] >> Can I and I apologize. I I neglected to make one point for you all related to

[4:58:28] the development agreement.

[4:58:29] >> Oh, okay.

[4:58:30] >> We have not executed the development

[4:58:31] agreement. It's ready to go. Um but uh

[4:58:34] Cole Cole needs to sign and we would

[4:58:37] need to sign. So, we would ask you

[4:58:39] tonight if you would consider um

[4:58:41] continuing until we have that executed

[4:58:43] if you're

[4:58:44] >> Okay. So,

[4:58:45] >> if you can continue to your next hearing

[4:58:46] and then we'll

[4:58:47] >> So, you rather rather continue it rather

[4:58:50] than approving it based on the signed.

[4:58:52] You'd rather have it all done than Okay.

[4:58:55] So, so an appropriate motion would be to

[4:58:57] continue this until June 23rd.

[4:59:00] >> And we feel like the development group

[4:59:01] is ready to go. We just need to get it

[4:59:02] executed.

[4:59:03] >> Okay. Is that something that we can put

[4:59:04] on the consent calendar on the 23rd? I

[4:59:08] don't know how with land use.

[4:59:11] >> Yeah, you've had the public hearing. Uh

[4:59:12] closed the public hearing. So yeah, I

[4:59:15] think you could could put it on the

[4:59:16] consent.

[4:59:17] >> All right. How would you feel about

[4:59:18] that, council continuing it to the 23rd

[4:59:20] to have the development agreement signed

[4:59:22] and then have it on the consent

[4:59:23] calendar?

[4:59:24] >> Yeah, I think that's fine. If there's

[4:59:25] any issues with the development

[4:59:27] agreement, we could pull it off the

[4:59:28] consent.

[4:59:28] >> That's correct.

[4:59:29] >> Yep.

[4:59:29] >> Right.

[4:59:30] >> All right. Thank you, uh, Mr. Hall.

[4:59:32] >> Thank you.

[4:59:33] >> All right. Sounds like I have an idea of

[4:59:35] what a motion could look like.

[4:59:42] I can make a motion. May I move that we

[4:59:45] uh

[4:59:48] >> continue?

[4:59:48] until June 23rd, this uh item

[4:59:51] 10.3.

[4:59:54] >> All right. Do we need to put in the

[4:59:55] motion that it gets put on the consent

[4:59:58] calendar or what? Just goes it just gets

[5:00:00] continued until our next meeting on June

[5:00:02] 23rd. Not next meeting, but our meeting

[5:00:03] on June 23rd.

[5:00:04] >> Yeah.

[5:00:05] >> Thank you, Council Member Kilpat. Can we

[5:00:07] have a motion? Is there a second? I'll

[5:00:09] second.

[5:00:09] >> All right. Thank you, Council Member

[5:00:11] Molstein. Um, any further discussion,

[5:00:13] Council?

[5:00:15] >> All right. How do you vote, Council

[5:00:16] Member Molstein?

[5:00:17] >> I

[5:00:21] >> All right. Motion carries.

[5:00:23] >> Thank you all.

[5:00:23] >> All right. Thank you. Next item on the

[5:00:26] agenda is our

[5:00:29] um esteemed city manager.

[5:00:32] And for any information items, I'll turn

[5:00:34] it over to you, Bren. Um just a public

[5:00:38] thank you to each of you for your

[5:00:42] support, participation, time, effort,

[5:00:47] encouragement,

[5:00:48] money, space as it relates to the Gold

[5:00:52] Star family's memorial and our Freedom

[5:00:53] Plaza and our Memorial Day event. um you

[5:00:58] know being in this career for over 19

[5:01:00] years that will just this last week

[5:01:03] weekend will be uh a top top highlight

[5:01:07] of mine and uh it was wonderful to have

[5:01:10] things kind of come full circle and be

[5:01:12] reminded of of um late night

[5:01:16] conversations with uh Brent Taylor and his wife and and talking about uh

[5:01:22] putting uh service leadership and

[5:01:24] sacrificing for others uh uh in front of

[5:01:27] ourselves and um and the the wonderful

[5:01:31] events that we had this last weekend uh

[5:01:33] just kind of brought that all to the

[5:01:35] four and and reinforced the importance

[5:01:37] of those valuable principles and and so

[5:01:40] just thank you so much for being

[5:01:42] completely allin uh on on these just

[5:01:46] wonderful uh events and programs and

[5:01:48] projects. Thank you. Thank you.

[5:01:50] >> Right. Thank you. It truly was a

[5:01:51] wonderful weekend and Orm's a great city

[5:01:55] to live in. All right, if you don't have

[5:01:58] anything else, Brian, we'll go. I would

[5:02:00] entertain a motion to adjurnn.

[5:02:02] >> I move that we adjourn.

[5:02:04] >> Motion in a second. All those in favor

[5:02:05] say I. I. I.

[5:02:07] >> All right. We'll see y'all.

Orem City Council Meeting | 5.26.2026

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