[0:15] Oshkosh City Planning Commission meeting

[0:16] of the 26th. We are glad

[0:18] you joined

[0:19] us. I see we have a

[0:21] quorum. Before we

[0:22] begin, I have

[0:23] a few

[0:23] organizational

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[1:27] which the Planning Commission

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[1:29] making a decision.

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[2:02] similar demonstrations

[2:03] . Thank you all for your

[2:05] understanding. Now

[2:06] let's move on to our

[2:07] agenda.

[2:08] The first item is

[2:09] roll call.

[2:10] Brinco is absent for a

[2:11] good reason.

[2:12] Deputy Mayor Buelo?

[2:13] Present.

[2:14] Rucker is absent for a

[2:15] good reason.

[2:16] Davis is absent for a

[2:17] valid reason.

[2:18] Lowenstein? Bowen?

[2:20] Sherman?

[2:21] Present.

[2:21] Prompt?

[2:22] Present.

[2:23] Pollock?

[2:23] Present.

[2:24] Vice Chairman Kiper?

[2:25] Present.

[2:26] Perry's head?

[2:27] Present.

[2:28] Six

[2:29] members of the commission are present.

[2:30] Thank you very much. So, we

[2:31] move on to the

[2:32] agreed agenda

[2:33] . We have

[2:34] four issues on the

[2:35] agreed agenda

[2:36] . Are there any

[2:36] members of

[2:37] the public who

[2:38] would like to speak

[2:39] on the agreed

[2:40] issues? Is there anyone from

[2:44] the public who

[2:45] would like to make a statement

[2:46] regarding the

[2:46] agreed agenda items

[2:48] ? Are there any members of the

[2:52] Planning Commission who

[2:53] wish to remove

[2:54] any items from the

[2:55] agreed agenda

[2:56] ? Does

[3:00] any

[3:00] planning commission member wish to

[3:01] remove any

[3:02] items from the

[3:03] agenda by consent?

[3:06] Okay, I see that

[3:07] no one wants it. So,

[3:08] planning commissions, it's up

[3:10] to you. I

[3:11] propose

[3:12] to recommend

[3:13] approval of all

[3:13] agenda items

[3:14] by consensus and to

[3:15] adopt the conclusions and

[3:16] recommendations on

[3:17] each item as

[3:17] outlined in the

[3:18] staff reports. I

[3:19] support.

[3:19] Okay, we have a

[3:20] suggestion and

[3:21] support. Are there any

[3:22] discussions regarding

[3:24] this proposal?

[3:28] Okay, I see there is

[3:29] n't. So, let's

[3:30] have a roll call

[3:31] vote,

[3:32] please.

[3:33] Was it?

[3:33] By.

[3:34] Sherman?

[3:35] By.

[3:35] Prompt?

[3:36] By.

[3:37] Pollock?

[3:37] By.

[3:38] Keeper?

[3:39] By.

[3:39] Perry?

[3:40] By.

[3:40] The proposal passed

[3:42] 6-0.

[3:43] Okay, so no

[3:43] items were

[3:44] removed from the

[3:45] agenda by consent to the

[3:46] regular

[3:47] agenda. Item number

[3:48] five is to review and

[3:50] provide recommendations

[3:51] on the project for

[3:52] facade changes and a new

[3:53] covered patio at

[3:55] 13 Wagu Avenue. Were

[3:57] any on-

[3:59] site inspections conducted?

[4:00] Thank you.

[4:01] Okay, that's on

[4:03] our record. Ahem. I

[4:06] accept the

[4:06] staff report as part of the

[4:07] minutes. Please

[4:09] submit your

[4:10] resume.

[4:10] Thank you, boss. Um,

[4:12] the property consists of a

[4:14] 0.02 acre commercial lot

[4:15] located on the

[4:16] south side of

[4:17] Wagu Avenue. There

[4:18] is a

[4:19] two-story

[4:21] historic building on the premises,

[4:22] built in 1875. The

[4:25] first floor

[4:26] was previously occupied by a boutique

[4:27] fitness training store, and the

[4:28] second floor is and

[4:29] will remain

[4:30] commercial. The site

[4:32] is zoned, ahem,

[4:33] central

[4:34] mixed-

[4:34] use, and the

[4:35] surrounding area

[4:36] consists

[4:37] mostly of

[4:37] commercial properties. The

[4:41] 2040 Comprehensive Land Use Plan recommends

[4:43] use within the

[4:44] city center for this site. Um,

[4:45] the applicant plans

[4:46] to convert the first

[4:48] floor into an ice

[4:49] cream parlor. Um,

[4:50] the proposal also

[4:51] includes an attached

[4:52] covered patio exit

[4:53] on the east side of

[4:54] the building, which will have a

[4:56] ramp for people with

[4:57] disabilities. Um, the

[4:59] adjacent vacant

[5:00] lot at

[5:01] 15 Wagu Avenue

[5:02] is proposed

[5:03] to be converted into a nine-hole

[5:04] mini-golf course

[5:05] . Um,

[5:08] the applicant stated that a

[5:10] certified

[5:11] survey map will be completed and submitted to

[5:12] merge both

[5:13] properties. Um, this

[5:16] request, um, regarding

[5:17] proposed

[5:18] facade changes and

[5:19] patio improvements, um, requires a

[5:21] design review. Um

[5:24] , so to improve the

[5:26] front facade, um

[5:27] , it will involve

[5:28] repainting the

[5:29] existing

[5:30] wooden

[5:30] exterior black

[5:32] and

[5:32] installing new

[5:33] doors. Um, the existing

[5:36] exterior doors and

[5:37] second

[5:38] floor windows will remain.

[5:42] Um, improvements to the

[5:42] east side, um,

[5:44] or east facade

[5:45] include

[5:46] the installation of new

[5:49] 6-

[5:50] by-8 black aluminum glass lift doors, as well as a new patio area

[5:52] proposed along the length of

[5:53] the building that will

[5:54] include a wood

[5:55] and metal roof

[5:57] structure. According to

[6:02] the applicant, the

[6:03] design approach to the

[6:04] building's exterior

[6:05] aims to retain the

[6:06] large percentage of

[6:07] glazing that is

[6:08] typical of the

[6:09] existing facade and

[6:10] other storefronts in the

[6:11] area. The design is

[6:15] intended to complement the

[6:17] surrounding buildings

[6:18] without creating a false

[6:19] sense of history,

[6:20] while maintaining

[6:21] the scale, volume, and

[6:22] rhythm of the city center.

[6:28] Staff supports the

[6:29] proposed changes to

[6:30] the facade and covered

[6:31] terrace as they are

[6:32] consistent with the

[6:33] existing building and the

[6:34] character of the

[6:35] surrounding downtown area

[6:36] . The planning

[6:40] department received

[6:41] a complaint from

[6:42] the owner of a neighboring

[6:43] property regarding an

[6:44] emergency exit

[6:45] that overlooks a

[6:46] future

[6:47] mini-golf course and

[6:48] outdoor terrace. The

[6:51] property owner

[6:52] stated that he has no

[6:53] objections to

[6:54] the project, provided that

[6:55] this emergency exit

[6:56] remains

[6:57] free. Um, the

[7:00] proposed

[7:01] exterior facades

[7:02] show a design for a

[7:04] sign with

[7:04] backlighting.

[7:06] The sign is not part of

[7:07] this review and will be

[7:08] reviewed separately as

[7:09] part of obtaining a

[7:11] sign permit

[7:12] because it will

[7:13] project over

[7:14] public land

[7:15] and a

[7:16] boundary violation agreement must

[7:17] be executed and

[7:18] recorded in the

[7:20] Winnebago County Register of Deeds prior to issuance of

[7:21] the permit. In light of

[7:23] this, staff

[7:24] recommends approval of

[7:25] the design for the facade changes and

[7:26] new covered terrace,

[7:28] as outlined in the

[7:29] staff report.

[7:30] Thank you very much for your

[7:31] report.

[7:32] Planning Commission, do you have any

[7:34] technical questions

[7:35] for the staff? Mrs.

[7:36] Prop?

[7:37] Yes. I am completely

[7:38] confused. Is 15

[7:41] Vagu what looks

[7:43] like a driveway? Now.

[7:47] Yes, you will open the

[7:48] master plan here. The

[7:51] master plan, and I

[7:52] literally walked

[7:54] around the site and thought

[7:55] : what is this?

[7:56] Maybe it will be

[7:58] better that way. Um, okay, so

[8:01] 13 Vahu is where the

[8:02] building is now,

[8:04] and in this

[8:04] aerial photo, 15 is

[8:06] somewhere where the

[8:07] red car is parked.

[8:11] Okay, so this is

[8:12] n't just an entrance, it's going to become

[8:14] part of this

[8:15] area?

[8:17] I believe that is the

[8:19] intention.

[8:22] Okay, so I see the

[8:23] plot. And theoretically

[8:27] there would be room for a

[8:29] small

[8:30] golf course, but I would ask the

[8:31] applicant about that. But

[8:33] thank you.

[8:35] Are there any more

[8:37] technical questions

[8:38] for the staff? Mr.

[8:43] Pollock.

[8:43] So this isn't

[8:44] necessarily an

[8:45] alley

[8:45] connecting to the

[8:46] parking lot?

[8:49] Um, I don't know how to

[8:51] answer that. Sorry.

[8:53] What was the question?

[8:55] Remind me of the question,

[8:56] please?

[8:57] Regarding the alley where the

[8:57] golf course will be.

[8:59] Does it

[9:00] have to be there to

[9:00] access the parking

[9:01] behind these buildings?

[9:02] The plan is to

[9:04] merge this with the

[9:05] target site

[9:06] via CSM so that it is

[9:07] one facility.

[9:08] Including all the

[9:09] parking behind.

[9:12] To what comes out

[9:13] on Libra?

[9:14] No, from the east side.

[9:17] Because there's an alley

[9:18] that adjoins that

[9:19] parking lot behind the other

[9:20] buildings. I

[9:21] don't think that's

[9:22] part of it. It looks like this is

[9:23] part of 219

[9:25] State Street.

[9:26] I'm just making sure

[9:27] that it's not a

[9:28] prerequisite.

[9:29] That's right, there

[9:30] is no such requirement.

[9:31] OK. Do

[9:34] you have any more technical

[9:35] questions? I see that there is

[9:41] none. So I am

[9:42] opening the

[9:43] public

[9:44] comment period and asking

[9:45] the applicant to speak

[9:47] if he wishes. Is

[9:48] the applicant present and does

[9:49] he wish to make a

[9:51] statement? If you

[9:53] come up to

[9:54] the microphone…No, you won't

[9:55] make a statement?

[9:57] OK. Is there anyone from

[9:59] the public who would like to

[10:00] speak

[10:01] on this

[10:02] agenda item? Does

[10:05] anyone present

[10:07] wish to make a statement

[10:08] on this matter?

[10:12] Okay, no one is there.

[10:14] So I am closing the

[10:15] public

[10:16] comment period. The applicant

[10:17] may make a

[10:18] closing statement

[10:19] if he/she wishes.

[10:20] They refuse. So,

[10:21] commission, the decision is

[10:23] yours. Wake up,

[10:26] John.

[10:29] Of course. I propose

[10:30] to recommend

[10:30] approval of this

[10:31] agenda item

[10:31] and to adopt

[10:32] the conclusions and

[10:33] recommendations

[10:33] set forth in the

[10:34] staff report. I

[10:34] support.

[10:35] Okay, there is a suggestion

[10:37] and support. Is there any

[10:38] discussion of this

[10:39] proposal, Ms. Propp

[10:40] ?

[10:40] Yes, I still have a

[10:41] question. Can I

[10:42] ask the applicant?

[10:44] Yes, you can.

[10:47] You need to approach the

[10:49] podium. My

[10:56] question, you probably

[10:57] heard, is... I was

[11:01] confused, but

[11:02] apparently 15 Waku

[11:03] consists of

[11:05] what now looks like an

[11:06] alley or driveway.

[11:10] And that you can

[11:11] combine this with your

[11:12] …current building

[11:16] on 13 Waku. And I see that

[11:19] the property goes

[11:20] further…I was worried

[11:22] about the city

[11:22] parking, but it doesn't

[11:24] go that far.

[11:27] Sorry, I don't understand

[11:28] how you can squeeze a

[11:30] mini-

[11:31] golf course in there.

[11:32] Well, I didn't think I

[11:33] could either, but...

[11:34] Then explain. Because

[11:36] you'll have this

[11:37] outdoor patio.

[11:39] Yes. Well, it's just going to be a

[11:41] very small

[11:43] nine-hole course.

[11:44] This will not be an 18-hole

[11:46] mini-golf course. I

[11:48] don't even see nine holes there.

[11:50] Um, yeah, it's about

[11:52] 5-6 feet wide

[11:53] each fairway, most of

[11:55] that is, you know, the

[11:58] putting surface, and then, um,

[12:00] about 18-22 feet

[12:01] for each hole.

[12:04] Okay.

[12:05] Um, do you have this? I I I

[12:08] have a little sketch

[12:10] that was made

[12:11] to show what the

[12:12] idea is roughly.

[12:14] Okay. Just you

[12:15] can put it

[12:17] so I can bring it up

[12:18] on the screen.

[12:19] Where are the napkins? Oh, it's

[12:23] not on?

[12:27] We can pass it on

[12:28] .

[12:31] If you want, we

[12:32] can pass that on

[12:33] too. So, there are no

[12:55] little

[12:56] tricks here like windmills

[12:57] or dinosaurs or anything

[12:58] like that. If you're

[13:03] familiar with what

[13:04] Tiger Woods does,

[13:05] his concept of mini-

[13:06] golf with putts, it's

[13:07] more of a

[13:09] putting course, as they

[13:10] call it. Um, a

[13:13] more realistic

[13:15] look, you could say

[13:16] .

[13:16] Oh, okay. I'm not familiar

[13:19] with Tiger Woods

[13:21] doing this, but okay.

[13:23] So, the entrance from the building.

[13:27] Right.

[13:28] Not from Vahu.

[13:30] No.

[13:31] Okay. Okay. And then,

[13:35] I had the same

[13:36] concern about the

[13:37] open staircase. And that's why

[13:38] I see that they are

[13:40] open. Okay. So,

[13:42] thank you very much. Are

[13:44] there any more technical

[13:45] questions or other

[13:46] discussion on this

[13:47] proposal, Mr.

[13:48] Chairman?

[13:51] So, mostly the

[13:52] feedback I've

[13:53] received falls into

[13:54] two camps. One is very

[13:56] excited about the

[13:57] developments there,

[13:58] and I belong to that

[13:59] camp. But right

[14:01] after that they

[14:02] say, "There's going to be

[14:04] kids

[14:04] using

[14:05] this as a putting green or

[14:06] mini golf, and they're

[14:07] going to, I don't know

[14:09] what the right

[14:10] term is." Mini golf, and

[14:11] you hit the ball, it

[14:12] flies out, hits a

[14:14] building, flies out onto the

[14:15] road. It's just

[14:17] too much, it

[14:18] seems like it's too

[14:19] small a place for mini-

[14:20] golf. Considering

[14:23] that there is traffic there

[14:25] .

[14:25] Mhm.

[14:26] You know, most

[14:27] other

[14:29] mini golf courses

[14:30] we think of have

[14:31] space around them. They are

[14:33] bigger and there

[14:34] is space around them. How would you, how would

[14:36] you respond to that?

[14:43] Well, I don't think I have a

[14:47] good answer to

[14:48] that. Um, limiting

[14:49] the balls from hitting

[14:50] the street—is that what you

[14:51] mean?

[14:54] Well, limit or,

[14:55] you know, I, I'm still not

[14:57] 100% sure.

[15:00] For example, you

[15:01] go into an ice

[15:02] cream parlor to

[15:02] pay money, and

[15:04] then you leave and... That

[15:06] 's right. Yes, you

[15:07] do all this in an ice

[15:09] cream parlor. You take your

[15:11] ball, a small club,

[15:12] and then you go to the

[15:14] So, will there be

[15:15] a fence there? It was

[15:16] n't planned at this point

[15:18] , no.

[15:20] Of course.

[15:21] Fence on the scales?

[15:24] Yes. So, is it...Yes. Ahem.

[15:28] Conceptually,

[15:29] I really

[15:30] like it.

[15:31] I want to say "yes

[15:32] ", but I mean there

[15:33] was a lot of talk

[15:34] about the balls

[15:35] going out.

[15:36] Mhm. Of course. So,

[15:38] on the road.

[15:41] I mean, we

[15:42] could definitely

[15:43] plan something

[15:44] ahead. To

[15:48] limit the balls from flying

[15:49] onto the road. Of course, there

[15:52] 's a brick building on my side

[15:53] , you know, my

[15:55] building and stuff.

[15:57] Perhaps this will

[15:58] help somewhat. The ball might

[15:59] hit a building

[16:00] and bounce off, you know,

[16:02] it might not stop

[16:03] it, you hit the

[16:04] wall and it goes

[16:05] back. Yes, I don't know. Hmm

[16:07] .

[16:09] I guess, theoretically, I

[16:10] hope people

[16:11] will be

[16:13] conscious enough to

[16:14] understand that this is a

[16:15] putting course, not a

[16:16] driving range.

[16:18] Yes, that's right.

[16:19] Um, but...

[16:20] Okay.

[16:21] I mean, there are

[16:22] regular

[16:23] golf courses that border the

[16:24] roads. This summer

[16:26] my truck was

[16:26] hit while I was

[16:27] driving past a

[16:28] golf course. So,

[16:29] there are risks, right?

[16:31] Of course. Good. Thank you.

[16:34] Mr. Pratt?

[16:35] Yes. Will there be a fence

[16:37] along the entrance to Vaha?

[16:40] Even if it's,

[16:41] you know, some kind of transparent

[16:43] fence.

[16:44] We can certainly

[16:46] predict this.

[16:48] Yes, I think...

[16:49] We don't have that at this time

[16:50] .

[16:51] I think that would be a

[16:52] good idea.

[16:53] Of course.

[16:55] Because otherwise people will

[16:56] just walk on

[16:57] your

[16:58] golf course, not to mention the

[16:59] problem with the

[17:00] balls. Ahem.

[17:03] So, how do you stop

[17:04] people from just

[17:05] walking right through?

[17:09] Honestly, I thought

[17:11] it would just be

[17:12] open during business hours. But then,

[17:17] when it's closed,

[17:18] put up a chain with

[17:19] the words "private

[17:21] property" or something

[17:22] like that so people don't

[17:23] pass through.

[17:26] Mhm. Well, I think

[17:30] some kind of

[17:31] fence is needed. Maybe

[17:33] decorative, but

[17:34] whatever.

[17:36] Thank you. Are there any other

[17:37] discussions regarding

[17:39] this proposal? Is there any

[17:42] further consideration of

[17:43] that, if, you know,

[17:45] if there's going to be a fence or

[17:46] something like that, or

[17:47] any other

[17:48] landscaping considerations

[17:50] for this project, was that

[17:51] taken into account

[17:52] when we first

[17:53] looked at it a few

[17:54] years ago? There

[17:58] was nothing more

[17:59] . Of course. No

[18:06] other PC approvals,

[18:07] but this will require

[18:08] passing a

[18:10] development plan review. So, zero indentation for

[18:12] this property

[18:13] ,

[18:14] correct? Right.

[18:16] That's right, in this

[18:17] area. So, if

[18:19] they want to

[18:19] install a fence

[18:20] or other structure,

[18:22] we will consider it

[18:23] during the development plan review

[18:24] .

[18:26] Of course. Deputy

[18:28] Mayor Bulow. I

[18:31] may have a different

[18:32] perspective on it, but I

[18:33] really like it.

[18:35] This will revitalize the

[18:36] city center and add

[18:37] more entertainment for

[18:38] people. If you

[18:40] notice people

[18:41] going where they're not

[18:42] allowed, I think you'll

[18:43] address it if you

[18:45] see people

[18:46] abusing

[18:46] the situation or, you know,

[18:48] trying

[18:49] to see how far

[18:50] they can kick the

[18:51] ball. I can

[18:52] share my experience:

[18:53] Pirate's Cove in

[18:54] Wisconsin Dells is

[18:55] quite large. I

[18:56] somehow knocked the ball

[18:57] out of there onto the road. It

[18:58] was when I was

[18:59] young and very stupid

[19:00] , I was kicked out, and rightfully so

[19:01] .

[19:02] This is how they dealt with it

[19:03] . But you

[19:04] can't stop

[19:05] people who act

[19:06] like idiots. The only thing you

[19:07] can do is

[19:08] try

[19:09] to set the best

[19:10] possible rules. So

[19:12] I think it's just a

[19:13] great use of an

[19:14] empty alley

[19:15] that will now become a

[19:17] mini golf course downtown.

[19:18] So, I will vote

[19:20] "yes".

[19:21] Are there any other

[19:22] discussions regarding

[19:23] this proposal? Mrs.

[19:25] Propp.

[19:26] Yes. Can we

[19:28] demand the construction of a

[19:29] fence or some

[19:30] other barrier? Or not.

[19:36] This review

[19:37] only covers the design of the building

[19:38] and covered patio. The

[19:39] direct

[19:40] use of the

[19:41] golf course will

[19:42] be decided

[19:42] administratively

[19:43] through a

[19:44] development plan review. So as

[19:45] long as they

[19:45] comply with the code

[19:46] , we will approve it.

[19:48] Do we have regulations for

[19:49] urban

[19:50] golf courses? I

[19:50] don't think we have

[19:51] anything specific about

[19:53] this. That's it.

[19:54] OK.

[19:54] Good. Thank you.

[19:56] My comment is that the

[19:58] city already has a

[19:59] formal

[20:00] complaint

[20:01] and review process in place. So if

[20:03] golf balls

[20:04] fly into the street,

[20:05] a complaint will be filed and the

[20:06] appropriate city

[20:08] department will deal with

[20:09] it. And if

[20:11] intervention is needed, it will be

[20:12] discussed with

[20:13] the owner. So I believe

[20:17] that such a process is already

[20:18] in place. So I

[20:21] agree with

[20:21] Deputy Mayor

[20:23] Bulow and support this. Is

[20:24] there any further discussion

[20:26] on the proposal?

[20:27] Okay, I don't see any other

[20:29] questions. Please,

[20:30] let's hold a roll call

[20:31] vote.

[20:32] Bulow.

[20:32] By.

[20:34] Sherman.

[20:34] By.

[20:35] Propp.

[20:36] By.

[20:36] Polenz.

[20:37] By.

[20:38] Kieffer.

[20:38] By.

[20:39] Bet.

[20:40] By.

[20:40] The decision was made 6-0.

[20:42] Thank you. Item number

[20:44] six—review and

[20:44] provide recommendations

[20:46] on the master

[20:47] plan for the development of a

[20:47] new outdoor restaurant and

[20:48] commercial

[20:49] entertainment area at:

[20:52] 1000 Pioneer Drive. Have

[20:53] inspections of the facility been conducted?

[20:56] Thank you.

[20:56] Okay, that's on the

[20:58] record. I also

[20:59] accept the

[21:00] staff report as part of the

[21:01] minutes. Please

[21:02] submit your

[21:03] resume.

[21:03] Thank you. So, the facility

[21:05] is located on

[21:06] Pioneer Island at

[21:07] the mouth of the Fox River. It

[21:09] has water access on

[21:10] three sides and borders

[21:11] public lands

[21:12] on the north and

[21:13] south ends of

[21:14] the island, and the

[21:15] property includes an existing

[21:16] tiki bar and

[21:17] parking

[21:18] lot from the

[21:18] previous

[21:20] Pioneer Inn resort. The applicant

[21:22] plans to build a

[21:23] restaurant on the site,

[21:24] as well as

[21:24] use it

[21:26] for commercial

[21:26] outdoor entertainment;

[21:28] this will include

[21:28] use of the

[21:29] existing tiki bar,

[21:30] seating and

[21:32] game areas, and

[21:32] an amphitheater with a

[21:33] temporary tent

[21:34] for concerts and

[21:35] weddings, which

[21:36] will be

[21:37] converted into a

[21:38] permanent structure in the future.

[21:40] The first phase of development

[21:41] will include a new

[21:42] accessory building,

[21:45] outdoor recreation and activity areas, and the

[21:46] proposed building

[21:47] will support the

[21:48] tiki bar and

[21:49] outdoor areas with

[21:50] fixed

[21:51] restrooms,

[21:52] cold storage,

[21:53] and storage

[21:54] space.

[21:55] Future phases of

[21:56] development

[21:56] will include

[21:57] construction of a new

[21:58] restaurant, a

[21:59] permanent

[22:00] event facility, an

[22:01] amphitheater and new

[22:02] parking. The facility

[22:04] will use the

[22:05] existing bridge

[22:06] access to the site from the

[22:07] Pioneer Drive side. There

[22:09] is also existing

[22:10] pedestrian access to the

[22:11] site from the

[22:12] pier to the south.

[22:15] According to regulations, the

[22:17] overall project

[22:18] requires 360

[22:19] parking spaces, and

[22:21] the plan provides for 341

[22:22] spaces. Therefore, the applicant

[22:25] requests permission to

[22:26] reduce the number of

[22:27] parking spaces

[22:28] compared to

[22:29] regulatory

[22:29] requirements. The applicant

[22:31] noted that there

[22:31] are 60

[22:33] parking spaces on Pioneer Drive,

[22:34] the facility has pedestrian

[22:35] access via a

[22:36] road bridge and

[22:37] from the pier to the south,

[22:39] and 28

[22:40] boat moorings

[22:41] for visitors.

[22:43] Staff have no

[22:43] objection to

[22:44] a slight

[22:45] reduction in

[22:46] parking spaces, as

[22:47] there is the option

[22:48] to use

[22:48] street parking

[22:49] , as well as pedestrian and

[22:51] water access for

[22:52] customers.

[22:53] Additional

[22:54] permits (BSM) will be required to

[22:55] increase the shoreline setback

[22:57] for the restaurant and

[22:58] reduce the

[22:59] shoreline and side setbacks

[23:00] for the existing

[23:01] parking

[23:02] lot to

[23:03] the north. Staff has

[23:04] no objections to

[23:05] increasing the

[23:06] waterfront setback for the

[23:07] restaurant and

[23:08] decreasing the

[23:09] waterfront setback for

[23:10] parking, as

[23:11] the site is not a

[23:11] traditional

[23:12] waterfront

[23:13] property,

[23:13] functions as a

[23:14] separate island

[23:15] property, and has no

[23:15] adjacent development to

[23:17] compare to.

[23:18] Staff also has no

[23:19] objection to the

[23:20] reduced lateral

[23:21] setback along the

[23:22] state lot on the

[23:23] northern edge of

[23:24] the property, as

[23:25] it borders a

[23:25] small area

[23:26] unsuitable for

[23:27] development. The applicant

[23:29] provided a conceptual

[23:30] plan for landscaping the

[23:31] area. It

[23:32] showcases a mix of

[23:33] tall trees and shrubs

[23:35] within and

[23:35] around the new parking lot

[23:36] , as well as

[23:37] around the

[23:38] proposed

[23:38] restaurant building and

[23:39] seating areas.

[23:40] The applicant is requesting a

[23:41] BSM to allow the

[23:42] current

[23:43] parking

[23:44] lot to exist without the

[23:45] required

[23:46] landscape

[23:46] islands, and the

[23:47] east and west

[23:48] rows of the new

[23:49] parking lot to exist without the

[23:49] required

[23:50] intermediate islands.

[23:52] Final

[23:53] landscaping plans and

[23:54] related BSM requests

[23:55] will be considered as

[23:57] part of the SIP submission

[23:58] for each phase.

[24:00] The applicant provided

[24:00] preliminary facades for the

[24:02] proposed

[24:03] accessory building

[24:04] and future

[24:04] two-story

[24:05] restaurants.

[24:07] Coastal Development District standards

[24:08] require that

[24:09] commercial buildings

[24:10] include at least

[24:11] 70% first-

[24:13] class materials on all facades

[24:14] , and a minimum of 25% of the

[24:15] first-floor facades must

[24:16] be dedicated to

[24:17] windows. Facades for the

[24:19] proposed

[24:20] buildings will be

[24:21] considered within the

[24:22] SIP submission for each

[24:23] phase, and here are preliminary

[24:25] renderings of the

[24:26] restaurant. And now—

[24:30] for the auxiliary

[24:31] building. Staff

[24:33] recommends

[24:34] approval of the GDP in accordance

[24:35] with the findings and

[24:36] conditions set forth in

[24:37] the report.

[24:41] Thank you very much for your

[24:42] report.

[24:43] Planning Commission, are there any

[24:44] technical questions

[24:45] for the staff? Mr.

[24:48] [ __ ].

[24:49] The island is just one

[24:50] area, right?

[24:51] That is, one

[24:52] developer owns the

[24:52] entire island, do I

[24:53] understand correctly?

[24:54] Right.

[24:55] Thank you.

[24:56] Vice Chairman Kiper.

[24:59] Um, I saw in the CIP plans a

[25:00] promenade for

[25:01] cycling

[25:02] around the

[25:03] island, if I'm not

[25:05] mistaken. So does this

[25:08] remain in effect, and is there nothing being

[25:09] built to

[25:11] prevent this, or is this still

[25:12] in the plans? Ahem. That

[25:14] 's right, it's still in the

[25:15] plans.

[25:16] OK. And later it

[25:17] will go around the

[25:18] entire island and

[25:19] return back

[25:20] to the pier.

[25:26] We are still in

[25:27] negotiations with various

[25:28] partners regarding this

[25:30] agreement, so the materials

[25:31] or exact route have not yet been

[25:33] finalized, but the

[25:34] work is ongoing.

[25:36] Of course. I know

[25:37] this has been a big

[25:38] problem from the very

[25:39] beginning of this

[25:40] project. This is land

[25:42] next to water, what

[25:44] could be

[25:45] done with it and what

[25:46] could be

[25:46] built on it, so I'm

[25:47] a little worried about

[25:48] that. Are

[25:52] there any other

[25:53] technical questions?

[25:56] Um, I see a

[25:57] lot of

[25:58] waterproof

[25:59] coating being added. How is this

[26:00] issue resolved? The

[26:02] engineering department

[26:03] will look into this from a

[26:04] stormwater management perspective

[26:06] .

[26:06] Good. Are there any other

[26:09] technical questions? I don't

[26:12] see it, so I'm

[26:13] opening a

[26:14] public

[26:14] comment period. I ask

[26:16] the applicant to speak

[26:17] if he wishes. Is

[26:18] the applicant present and does

[26:19] he wish to make a

[26:21] statement? Please come to the

[26:22] podium and write down

[26:23] your name and address

[26:24] for our records

[26:25] .

[26:30] I am Chet Weisenberg, Architects

[26:33] , 531 North Main Street;

[26:35] I am the applicant and

[26:35] represent the owner of

[26:37] the property. I don't have an

[26:39] official statement, but

[26:40] I'm ready to answer

[26:42] any questions I

[26:43] can.

[26:45] Thank you. Are there any members of

[26:46] the public who would like

[26:48] to speak or

[26:48] make a statement regarding

[26:49] this agenda item

[26:51] ? Is there anyone from

[26:53] the public who

[26:54] would like to make a statement

[26:56] regarding this

[26:57] agenda item?

[27:00] Okay, I don't

[27:01] see anyone, so I'm closing the

[27:02] public

[27:03] comment period. Would you like to

[27:04] make a closing

[27:05] statement? He

[27:07] refuses.

[27:08] Okay, Planning

[27:09] Commission, it's your turn for

[27:10] action.

[27:11] I propose

[27:11] to recommend

[27:12] approval of this

[27:13] agenda item

[27:13] and to adopt

[27:14] the conclusions and

[27:15] recommendations

[27:15] set forth in the

[27:16] staff report. I

[27:17] support.

[27:17] We have an offer and

[27:19] support. Are there any

[27:20] discussions regarding

[27:21] this proposal? Miss

[27:22] Prop.

[27:23] I also have a question

[27:24] for you. You know what?

[27:26] Today is my

[27:27] question day. Um, as we

[27:28] all know, the

[27:29] Pioneer facility gets

[27:31] more attention from the public than

[27:32] probably any

[27:33] other place in Oshkosh

[27:35] . And I

[27:39] was pleased to see,

[27:40] during my attempt

[27:41] to inspect the facility,

[27:42] as it was

[27:43] closed,

[27:44] barricaded with

[27:45] chains, that the

[27:46] marina was thriving.

[27:49] So I'm just thrilled

[27:50] about it. Um,

[27:53] but in my personal

[27:55] opinion, and I think it's

[27:56] shared by many,

[27:57] this is a serious

[27:58] underuse of what is

[27:59] probably the most valuable

[28:01] property on Lake

[28:02] Winnebago. And I

[28:06] mean, it seems...

[28:08] well, the restaurant is not

[28:09] bad. It's definitely a

[28:13] good use,

[28:14] but everything else...it just

[28:18] feels like we're not

[28:19] using this

[28:21] facility to its full

[28:21] potential, which to

[28:23] me would include

[28:24] some kind of apartment

[28:25] complex or a hotel

[28:26] or something like that. Um,

[28:29] and besides, I guess my

[28:30] main concern

[28:32] right now is

[28:33] that it's probably not

[28:34] only the most valuable

[28:35] property, but also the

[28:36] most neglected

[28:38] and shameful. We have to

[28:41] admit that the bushes

[28:42] have grown, and it

[28:43] looks like

[28:44] no one cares.

[28:49] So are there any plans

[28:50] to get those

[28:51] overgrown shrubs

[28:52] along your side of

[28:54] Pioneer Drive in order?

[28:59] Well, I guess I would say that I

[29:00] think the facility has improved a lot in the

[29:01] last few years

[29:04] . It is the

[29:05] use of this

[29:06] area and the

[29:07] attraction of people there that

[29:08] brings about improvements

[29:09] every year. I saw it. I have

[29:11] been working on this

[29:12] property with the

[29:13] developer for 10

[29:14] years. This is a very

[29:15] complex area with

[29:16] all sorts of problems

[29:18] associated with it. And,

[29:21] uh, I applaud what

[29:22] they did with Tiki

[29:23] Bar, bringing

[29:25] people in and activating

[29:26] that space. And I

[29:28] think there are improvements every

[29:29] year

[29:30] .

[29:31] OK.

[29:32] And this is a step—this is the first

[29:34] step, uh, to get

[29:35] more people

[29:36] out, to get

[29:37] more people into the

[29:38] Pioneer Islands.

[29:39] Personally, I think this is a

[29:41] good step

[29:42] forward.

[29:42] OK.

[29:43] And this will be—the overall

[29:44] development plan

[29:45] will also be phased. So,

[29:47] as

[29:48] Brian seems to have hinted, the

[29:49] first phase is an

[29:50] auxiliary building

[29:51] to support the Tiki

[29:52] Bar, as well as

[29:53] creating all the, uh,

[29:55] recreational activities,

[29:56] improving the

[29:57] landscaping,

[29:58] and kind of

[29:59] gentrifying this whole

[30:00] southern

[30:01] half of the island, or

[30:02] southern quarter of the

[30:03] island, let's say.

[30:05] And then the second phase

[30:06] will be the restaurant, which

[30:07] we—you can see

[30:08] the blueprints. We

[30:09] are working on it and

[30:10] it is developing. We have

[30:11] weekly

[30:11] meetings

[30:12] to design the

[30:13] restaurant. So, this

[30:14] will be, uh, the second phase.

[30:16] We hope

[30:17] to launch it

[30:17] within the year. And

[30:19] then, uh, after that, there's the

[30:21] event center. And we're

[30:24] leaving the northern

[30:26] part of the site

[30:27] free for another

[30:28] developer, or

[30:29] maybe for me,

[30:30] maybe for someone

[30:31] else, to come in and

[30:32] do something

[30:33] beautiful that will

[30:34] benefit the city. And I

[30:38] can say on

[30:39] behalf of the owner, it

[30:40] was—it was their

[30:41] desire from the

[30:42] beginning—to create

[30:43] something great for

[30:44] Oshkosh.

[30:46] OK.

[30:47] They are working on it

[30:48] .

[30:48] OK. Uh, and this

[30:50] improvement, let's call

[30:51] it a giant

[30:52] parking lot. Uh, it

[30:58] won't interfere with

[30:58] further

[30:59] development plans, you know,

[31:01] whatever's in

[31:02] someone's mind, uh.

[31:05] This will probably happen. This will

[31:06] probably happen. But

[31:08] the parking lot that we

[31:09] show in the

[31:10] southern part of the

[31:11] site will appear, it

[31:12] will be new and

[31:13] improved, and it

[31:14] will work with the

[31:15] southern half of the

[31:16] site. In the northern

[31:17] part, we plan to

[31:18] temporarily

[31:19] improve the existing

[31:20] parking lot. So it's a kind of

[31:22] land storage.

[31:23] It will not remain

[31:24] a parking lot. This is not the

[31:26] goal.

[31:26] Oh, okay. I didn't—I

[31:28] misunderstood

[31:29] .

[31:29] This—this—this.

[31:30] I couldn't—I couldn't.

[31:31] This is a restoration of what

[31:32] is there.

[31:33] It's hard to tell from

[31:34] the diagram where the

[31:35] parking was on the

[31:36] south edge.

[31:39] Of course.

[31:40] OK. What about

[31:42] clearing away the

[31:42] cluttered bushes?

[31:46] Please. Please.

[31:47] I can convey that. I, don't, uh, I don't know. We have

[31:51] n't discussed

[31:52] plans for this,

[31:53] except for the southern

[31:53] part of the site. They

[31:55] plan to add

[31:55] a few more

[31:56] boat moorings and

[31:57] definitely want to

[31:58] tidy things up there.

[31:59] Yes. Well, no. That's good.

[32:01] But I'm concerned... What

[32:02] really concerns me is

[32:03] those horrible

[32:04] thickets on Pioneer Drive

[32:06] .

[32:07] Ugh.

[32:07] Right off Pioneer

[32:08] Drive. Because it

[32:09] doesn't add any appeal at all

[32:10] .

[32:12] You know, it

[32:13] repels me. I was thinking, "

[32:14] Where should I go? Do you know

[32:16] where to look?" "Where should

[32:18] I go?" So I...

[32:19] If we can't

[32:20] demand this from you

[32:21] , I'll insist on it

[32:23] . You and the

[32:25] owner.

[32:26] I'll pass it on.

[32:28] Good. Thank you.

[32:29] OK. Is there any further

[32:30] discussion on this

[32:31] issue? Mr. Polik,

[32:32] do you want to

[32:32] say something?

[32:33] Uh, first a

[32:34] comment. I haven't been there in

[32:35] probably 8 years. It

[32:36] looks better than I

[32:37] remember from 8-10 years ago

[32:38] . So,

[32:39] good job. Uh, in

[32:41] your opinion, is there a

[32:42] real chance in the

[32:43] next decade

[32:44] that

[32:45] apartments,

[32:46] condominiums, or a

[32:47] hotel will appear there? Is there a real

[32:48] chance in the next

[32:49] decade?

[32:50] I really

[32:51] hope so, Dan. I

[32:52] mean, a lot of

[32:53] people are trying to make it happen

[32:55] .

[32:55] Good. Thank you. Is

[32:57] there any further discussion on

[32:59] this issue? Thank you.

[33:03] I don't see anyone willing.

[33:05] So, let's

[33:05] have a roll call

[33:06] vote,

[33:07] please.

[33:07] Bulow.

[33:08] By.

[33:09] Head.

[33:09] By.

[33:10] Crump.

[33:11] By.

[33:11] Pollock.

[33:12] By.

[33:13] Kiefer.

[33:13] By.

[33:14] Perry.

[33:14] By.

[33:15] The proposal passed

[33:17] 6-0.

[33:17] OK. Item number

[33:18] seven—Review and

[33:19] make recommendations

[33:20] on an amendment to the

[33:21] specific

[33:23] implementation plan for the

[33:24] open

[33:25] storage site at

[33:27] 3815 Orion Street, Generac Power

[33:28] Systems Building. Were

[33:30] any inspections conducted at the

[33:31] facility?

[33:32] Thank you.

[33:33] This is recorded

[33:35] in the minutes. Uh, I'll

[33:36] also accept the

[33:37] staff report as part of

[33:38] the minutes, so

[33:39] please submit

[33:40] your resume.

[33:40] Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Er

[33:42] , the facility consists

[33:44] of an existing

[33:46] 22.6-acre industrial site.

[33:47] The site has

[33:48] zoning for heavy

[33:49] industry and a

[33:50] development plan.

[33:51] The property

[33:52] is located on the

[33:52] northwest

[33:54] corner of Oregon Street and

[33:55] West Ripple Avenue. Uh,

[33:56] existing structures

[33:58] include a manufacturing

[33:59] building, uh, a large

[34:01] parking lot, a storage

[34:02] pond, and

[34:04] existing open

[34:05] storage areas

[34:06] approved in 2022 and

[34:08] 2024. The surrounding

[34:11] area includes

[34:12] institutional and

[34:13] industrial facilities to

[34:14] the north, residential and

[34:15] undeveloped land to

[34:17] the east and south, and an

[34:18] industrial

[34:19] facility to the west. This

[34:22] facility and the surrounding

[34:23] area

[34:23] are located within the

[34:25] aviation

[34:25] industrial park and

[34:27] consist of

[34:27] industrial facilities. The

[34:30] 2040 Comprehensive Land Use Plan

[34:31] recommends

[34:32] using this

[34:33] area for

[34:34] industrial purposes. In

[34:37] September 2022, the

[34:38] City Council

[34:38] approved a

[34:39] zoning change,

[34:40] master

[34:41] development plan, and

[34:42] special

[34:43] implementation plan to

[34:44] allow for exterior

[34:45] storage on

[34:46] the north and

[34:47] west sides of the

[34:48] existing manufacturing

[34:49] building. And in September

[34:52] 2024, the City Council

[34:53] approved an amendment to the

[34:55] special

[34:56] implementation plan regarding

[34:57] additional space for

[34:58] outdoor

[34:59] storage at this

[35:00] site.

[35:03] The applicant is currently requesting

[35:05] approximately 60,326

[35:06] square feet of

[35:08] outdoor

[35:09] storage space in the

[35:10] front yard. The

[35:13] proposed

[35:14] site includes an

[35:15] existing asphalt

[35:16] surface and a grass

[35:18] area. New

[35:19] asphalting or

[35:20] other

[35:21] waterproofing is not

[35:21] planned. The new

[35:23] storage area

[35:24] is located

[35:25] approximately 70 feet

[35:26] from the western boundary of the

[35:27] site and 15 feet

[35:29] from the southern boundary.

[35:31] The applicant requested a

[35:32] change to the baseline

[35:33] standard because the

[35:34] expanded

[35:35] storage area would have a

[35:36] 15-foot setback from the

[35:37] southern boundary,

[35:39] while the code requires a

[35:40] 30-foot setback for the

[35:41] front yard. According to

[35:44] the applicant, this

[35:45] zone will provide

[35:46] security for the southern

[35:47] entrances to the site,

[35:48] including access to the

[35:50] loading docks and

[35:51] waste compaction areas,

[35:52] while providing

[35:53] screening for the

[35:54] external

[35:55] storage of their

[35:56] large frames on

[35:57] site. Staff

[36:02] supports this

[36:03] BSM request for a reduced

[36:05] storage area setback along the

[36:06] southern boundary

[36:07] as it is

[36:08] integrated into the

[36:09] existing industrial

[36:10] use of the site

[36:11] , supports the safety of

[36:12] operations, and is compatible with

[36:13] surrounding

[36:14] industrial

[36:15] land uses

[36:16] to the north and west.

[36:20] Outdoor

[36:21] storage areas must

[36:22] be screened by a

[36:23] solid fence

[36:25] 8 feet high. However,

[36:27] front yard fences

[36:28] are limited to a height of 4

[36:29] feet. The applicant is requesting a

[36:31] BSM to

[36:31] allow

[36:32] the installation of an

[36:34] 8-foot high solid fence in the

[36:35] front yard.

[36:36] The applicant plans

[36:37] to install a

[36:39] chain-link fence with

[36:39] privacy slats

[36:41] that will match

[36:42] the rest of the fencing on the

[36:43] property. Staff

[36:46] supports the

[36:47] proposed

[36:47] additional

[36:49] outdoor

[36:49] storage area and

[36:50] associated

[36:51] fencing

[36:52] as this

[36:52] use is

[36:53] consistent with the current

[36:54] use of the site.

[36:57] According to the

[36:58] landscaping plan, the code

[37:00] requires 10

[37:01] landscaping points for every

[37:02] 1,000 sq. ft.

[37:03] of total

[37:04] additional

[37:05] outdoor

[37:06] storage area. The landscaping plan

[37:11] calls for

[37:12] the preservation of all

[37:13] existing vegetation

[37:14] on the site, as well as

[37:16] the addition of approximately 585

[37:17] points depending on

[37:18] the size of the expanded

[37:20] storage area. You

[37:23] need to get

[37:25] approximately 603 points.

[37:27] The proposal

[37:28] provides a total of

[37:30] 1,095 greening points

[37:31] through a combination of

[37:32] retained existing

[37:34] plantings and new

[37:35] plants. Additional

[37:38] landscaping will

[37:39] enhance the appearance of

[37:40] the lot and help

[37:41] offset the

[37:42] requested setbacks

[37:43] for the 8-foot

[37:44] solid

[37:45] front yard fence

[37:46] and the

[37:47] reduction in setback

[37:48] from the boundary. The plan

[37:49] includes evergreen

[37:50] trees that

[37:50] will help visually

[37:52] conceal the

[37:52] proposed

[37:53] solid fence. In

[37:55] light of this,

[37:56] staff recommends

[37:57] approval of the amendment to the

[37:58] implementation plan

[37:59] in accordance with the findings

[38:00] and conditions

[38:01] set forth in the

[38:02] staff report.

[38:04] Thank you very much for your

[38:05] report.

[38:06] Planning Commission, are there any

[38:07] technical questions?

[38:08] Mrs. Prop?

[38:10] Today I do everything.

[38:11] Yes, I'm a little

[38:13] confused again. This

[38:16] outdoor storage location will be

[38:17] along Ripple Avenue,

[38:18] not along Oregon.

[38:21] Right.

[38:22] Good, because I didn't want

[38:23] their front

[38:24] yard—it's

[38:26] beautiful there. But I consider the

[38:27] front yard to be the one

[38:28] on Oregon.

[38:29] Maybe it's

[38:30] not technically their front

[38:31] yard.

[38:32] Yes, yes.

[38:33] Okay, okay. Well,

[38:35] thank you. Do

[38:36] you have any other technical

[38:37] questions for the

[38:38] staff? Okay,

[38:44] I see there isn't. So, I am

[38:45] opening a

[38:46] public

[38:46] comment period to

[38:47] invite a statement from the

[38:48] applicant, if they

[38:49] wish. Is

[38:50] the applicant present and

[38:51] does he wish to make a

[38:52] statement?

[38:53] Okay, the applicant

[38:54] refuses. So, are

[38:55] there any members of

[38:57] the public who

[38:58] would like to make a

[38:59] statement? Does anyone from

[39:02] the public wish to

[39:04] make a statement? Okay,

[39:07] I see there isn't. So, I am

[39:09] closing the

[39:10] public

[39:10] comment period. Does

[39:12] the applicant wish to make a

[39:13] closing statement?

[39:14] They refuse.

[39:15] So,

[39:16] planning commission, the floor is

[39:17] yours.

[39:17] I propose

[39:18] to recommend

[39:19] approval of the

[39:19] general item and

[39:20] to adopt the conclusions and

[39:21] recommendations

[39:22] set forth in the

[39:23] staff reports. I

[39:24] support.

[39:24] We have a proposal and

[39:26] its support. Are there

[39:27] any discussions

[39:28] regarding this proposal?

[39:31] Are there any discussions

[39:32] about the proposal?

[39:34] Okay, I see there isn't.

[39:35] Please, let's hold a

[39:37] roll call vote

[39:38] .

[39:38] Buhler.

[39:38] By.

[39:39] Head.

[39:39] By.

[39:40] Crump.

[39:41] By.

[39:41] Pollock. Kiefer.

[39:43] By.

[39:44] Perry.

[39:44] By.

[39:45] The proposal passed

[39:46] 6-0.

[39:47] Okay, now

[39:47] let's move on to other

[39:48] issues. The next

[39:50] planning commission meeting

[39:51] is scheduled for

[39:52] Tuesday, October 20,

[39:53] 2026. Are there any more

[39:54] questions from the

[39:55] planning department? No?

[39:56] The last item on the

[39:57] agenda is

[39:58] the closing of the meeting.

[39:59] I suggest closing it. I

[40:00] support.

[40:01] We have a proposal and

[40:02] its support. Is there any

[40:03] discussion on

[40:04] this proposal?

[40:04] No.

[40:05] Okay, we can have a

[40:07] voice vote. Those in favor,

[40:07] say "yes."

[40:08] By. Is

[40:09] anyone against it?

[40:11] The meeting is closed.

[40:13] Thank you.

[40:14] We don't have any

[40:15] seminars tonight.

[40:41] Hooray.

Oshkosh Plan Commission - 10/6/26

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