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[13:45] Good evening, everyone.

[13:47] And welcome to the extra planning board meeting of Thursday.

[13:50] August 27th, 26th.

[13:52] At 6:30 PM for a few minutes late.

[13:56] Apologize for that.

[13:57] I won't have candy and popcorn next time.

[14:01] In the Noack room and town office building located at 10 front street, actually

[14:05] New Hampshire.

[14:06] To consider the following.

[14:07] Before we do that, though, we will introduce the board and I have each

[14:11] board member.

[14:12] Introduced himself.

[14:13] So I'm lying plumber.

[14:15] And I'm chair of the extra board into my left.

[14:18] Gwen English, regular member.

[14:20] Nancy Valant luck for representative.

[14:23] Sam McLeod alternate.

[14:25] And Jen Martel,

[14:27] Marty Kennedy.

[14:28] Ryan Kelly alternate.

[14:30] Okay now let's see.

[14:33] We supposed to have John on.

[14:35] Screen this evening and

[14:38] Alan.

[14:42] So let's see what's happening here.

[14:45] Well, you can check the participants.

[14:49] Elaine might not be, cuz she.

[14:51] Just left.

[14:51] Yeah, that's true.

[14:53] So,

[14:54] no one's online right now.

[14:55] Okay.

[14:56] All right.

[14:57] So

[15:00] we're having our second, we're starting this evening's meeting.

[15:03] With the second public hearing public hearing.

[15:06] On the 27th, 23 capital improvement program.

[15:09] C I P

[15:10] projects as presented by the town departments.

[15:13] Copies of the proposed documents will be available in the planning department office.

[15:17] Prior to the meeting.

[15:20] And we, so this is the second.

[15:23] Hearing for the capital improvement plan.

[15:26] We haven't read it.

[15:27] It'll put your sleep quickly, but it's very interesting material.

[15:32] In that it projects capital improvements over the next.

[15:35] Five years.

[15:37] And that happens every year.

[15:38] So we always.

[15:40] Move ahead.

[15:41] To try to help balance expenditures.

[15:44] And allow it really is the beginning of the, of the bed, meaning pro

[15:47] making process.

[15:48] Each year.

[15:49] So August is that beginning month and Exeter.

[15:52] So Dave, do you.

[15:55] Want to

[15:57] sure.

[15:57] Thank you.

[15:59] Yes.At the last meeting you had all the department heads.

[16:01] Yes.

[16:01] Present all their proposals and you have the draft capital improvement program.

[16:07] Mm-hmm in front of you.

[16:09] And you had a chance to ask questions, the department heads and so forth

[16:14] Tonight's meeting is for an opportunity.

[16:17] For the public to weigh in on any of that, historically you've had, you

[16:20] know, the two meetings you have the department head meetings where they present everything

[16:24] and then you hold the public hearing.

[16:25] At the subsequent meeting or this meeting tonight.

[16:31] And tonight is to hear from the public.

[16:34] And then if you so choose, take action on.

[16:38] The capital improvement program, because you are the board that adopts it.

[16:41] Mm-hmm you do not fund it.

[16:43] You, that is for others to fund.

[16:45] Yeah, you're just saying.

[16:46] Okay, this is what we believe the capital improvement program for the next six

[16:49] years should, should be.

[16:52] And you usually write a transmittal letter.

[16:54] And that's usually the chair, but if you, I, I always recommend if you

[16:57] have an op, if you want to highlight something in the plan, if you

[17:00] have something specific that you, you know, if you feel.

[17:02] Is a priority or multiple priorities.

[17:04] This is your chance tonight.

[17:07] To add that to the transmittal letter, because when once adopted.

[17:11] We send it off to the budget review committee that reviews it and the

[17:13] select board.

[17:15] And, and then ultimately the voters and that's who decides what, you know, the

[17:19] funding on it.

[17:20] So.

[17:21] If you have anything to add to the transmittal letter, if not, we just

[17:24] do the, kind of the generic transmittal letter to say, you know, on, on

[17:27] this meeting, we reviewed it.

[17:28] We agree with.

[17:30] You know, support the capital improvement plan as presented.

[17:34] That being the case.

[17:35] Are there any.

[17:37] Particular items.

[17:39] That has caught your attention,

[17:41] Gwen, one really quick question.

[17:44] In the minutes there was.

[17:46] A comment about the Clemson pond.

[17:49] Tide gates and Mr. Cronan was going.

[17:52] To maybe update us on.

[17:54] In the minutes.

[17:56] I don't know.

[17:58] You said noted, there will be an inspection tomorrow when he would have more

[18:01] information.

[18:02] I just wondered if there were any follow ups to that.

[18:05] I don't know, it's not a big deal.

[18:08] We don't have that information today.

[18:10] That's fine.

[18:10] So we can come back with it if needed.

[18:12] Yeah, that's fine.

[18:13] Okay.

[18:13] I just was curious.

[18:21] Anybody else?

[18:38] Quiet crowd here, anybody from the public wish to.

[18:41] Question.

[18:41] If I had comments regarding this plan, sir.

[18:44] Please introduce yourself.

[18:45] So

[18:46] we know who's speaking and our viewers at home.

[18:51] Good evening,

[18:52] mark Furlong.

[18:53] 24th street.

[18:55] I wanted to make a couple comments about.

[18:58] The capital improvement program.

[18:59] First of all, it's, it's a lot of work that goes into that.

[19:02] I appreciate the work by.

[19:04] The department heads and town manager's office and other staff.

[19:08] I know it's required by state statute.

[19:11] Glad happy to see that exit.

[19:12] It takes it seriously.

[19:14] Not every town does that.

[19:16] And then the second thing is I, I was one person that spoke up

[19:20] after last election.

[19:22] At a select board meeting about.

[19:24] The rapid increase in property taxes.

[19:27] Taxes.And one thing I suggested was to.

[19:30] Pump the brakes a little bit on some items in the, in the C

[19:32] I P and I, I think there is some evidence of that and I

[19:35] I appreciate that.

[19:37] I wasn't here at your last meeting, but I did watch it.

[19:39] Mm-hmm and I did pick up a copy and I've reviewed it.

[19:43] And I think it's a, it's a good document.

[19:46] But the main reason I came tonight.

[19:48] Is for an item that's not in the C I P.

[19:52] And I didn't really expect it to be, I guess, this year.

[19:55] Some of you may be aware.

[19:57] That we've

[19:58] formed a

[20:00] community group, a neighborhood group in the.

[20:02] Park street, Oak street, neighborhood to advocate for the park street bridge.

[20:07] Where for the status and condition.

[20:10] And we're happy to see the, that.

[20:13] It is starting to get some attention.

[20:15] We've been doing a lot of research around the bridge.

[20:18] And one part of that research, I found that.

[20:21] The

[20:22] replacement of the park street bridge appeared in the.

[20:26] 2007.

[20:29] 10 year, New Hampshire, D O T.

[20:31] T highway improvement.

[20:34] Plan

[20:35] and it appeared in the next four cycles.

[20:38] Cycles and my question, and I'm not sure.

[20:41] This probably predates just about everybody that's involved at this point,

[20:45] but I.

[20:46] I'm wondering,

[20:47] it seemed like, would make sense that the bridge would've been put into the

[20:51] C I P.

[20:52] And once it was identified for potential funding.

[20:57] From

[20:58] D O T back in.

[21:00] From between 2007 and.

[21:02] I think it was 2015.

[21:04] So

[21:06] I may be incorrect, but I think the bridge belongs to the railroad.

[21:11] As the crossings are their responsibility.

[21:13] That that is up for debate at the moment.

[21:15] Okay.

[21:16] They are claiming ownership and that's being research.

[21:18] Researched by the town.

[21:19] Yeah.

[21:21] But

[21:22] there, there was an agreement for the town to take over the bridge back

[21:26] in the early two thousands, which was apparently never.

[21:29] Completed,

[21:30] but somewhere along the line, somebody got the idea that the state.

[21:34] Was gonna work with the town and replace it and put it in the

[21:37] 10 year plan.

[21:39] Then it, and then it disappeared.

[21:41] So,

[21:42] I don't know if anybody has any history about that.

[21:44] So,

[21:46] no.

[21:47] Okay.

[21:47] Thank you.

[21:49] Keep asking your questions.

[21:51] .

[21:52] And thank you for coming this evening.

[21:57] Anybody else?

[22:00] All right.

[22:00] Well,

[22:03] I think perhaps we're ready to.

[22:06] Accept and forward the plan.

[22:10] So now

[22:11] we need a motion for that.

[22:12] Yeah, you can move to adopt the 20, 27 to 2032 capital improvement program.

[22:19] As presented or with the following revisions, however, you'd like, yep.

[22:27] Well, let's see.

[22:27] Now I got a point some alternates here.

[22:31] Sammy you're acting and

[22:32] you're acting around it.

[22:34] Afternoon, you're acting as well.

[22:35] Brian.

[22:36] So 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7.

[22:38] You've got seven.

[22:39] So everyone's acting magic seven.

[22:41] Okay.

[22:45] So Sam, you look like you're ready to make a motion.

[22:47] yes, sir.

[22:48] I was just.

[22:51] Mr chairman, I'd like to make a motion.

[22:54] That we approve the

[22:56] C I P for 2027 through 2032.

[23:00] As presented to the planning board.

[23:04] Thank you.

[23:05] Is there a second?

[23:07] Not all one second.

[23:08] Okay.

[23:09] .

[23:11] Any discussion on that?

[23:16] We need a hand vote or voice vote or.

[23:18] Let's do a hand, vote those in favor, please raise your right hand.

[23:22] Hold supposed

[23:24] abstentions.

[23:25] That would be me as select board member.

[23:27] I have to vote on this later on down the way, so, okay.

[23:30] Can't you can't stack your deck.

[23:31] Okay, good.

[23:32] Thank you.

[23:32] Thank.

[23:32] You

[23:33] so be it.

[23:35] And thank you again as.

[23:37] You have banked all the department heads.

[23:40] The time and effort and the, and they're good folks.

[23:43] To put this together.

[23:44] So.

[23:45] That's good.

[23:45] Thanks.

[23:46] All right.

[23:50] Hey, we're adjourned until seven.

[23:52] Yeah, that's right.

[23:53] We can't.

[23:54] We got another 10 minutes to talk to each other, get a cup of

[23:56] water.

[23:57] .

[23:59] Oh, good.

[23:59] I can get organized.

[24:01] Okay.

[24:02] Okay now.

[24:04] I just realized

[24:06] the eye grabbed.

[24:08] I don't think I've ever been this close to the chair.

[24:10] Oh, ,

[24:12] that's why I'm feeling so warmed.

[24:13] I'm getting a little nervous.

[24:15] You get too close.

[24:16] You're gonna.

[24:16] Get elected.

[24:19] You may be looking for a new cook.

[24:20] Yes,

[24:21] it's not.

[24:22] Let's not get me ideas.

[24:24] How long?

[24:25] Oh, dear.

[24:27] I'm glad I didn't.

[24:34] You're gonna wait.

[24:39] I can see you got it or not.

[24:41] You

[24:42] there's problem.

[24:43] Since I can really use it.

[24:48] Okay.

[24:49] How was the family?

[24:51] You're good.

[24:51] I emailed, I emailed him a minute.

[24:54] Not yet.

[24:56] Not yet start Monday and Wednesday.

[24:57] Okay.

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[35:05] six and 22.

[35:07] Oh.

[35:09] We have minutes to approve and I'm not sure.

[35:12] How does the board feel about it?

[35:14] Have we got enough people here to.

[35:16] That were here for the meeting to.

[35:18] August 13th, 20, 26.

[35:22] I was not here.

[35:24] Oh, okay.

[35:26] Oh, Marty was, and

[35:27] I was, I was.

[35:29] You were, yeah, you he's gonna, yes, you were.

[35:35] I didn't see, I didn't find anything.

[35:37] Did you mark?

[35:38] I, I have one.

[35:38] No, I I'm just one.

[35:39] I have one too here.

[35:40] Marty's here.

[35:41] Martin's got one.

[35:43] Marty has one, just one.

[35:44] Oh.

[35:46] So Marty

[35:48] line.

[35:49] 1 42, right at the, at the end of the sentence.

[35:52] Sorry.

[35:54] Says, we try to keep the, it should say high it's missing an H

[35:59] Hi volume that a aye.

[36:00] Yeah.

[36:01] Good catch.

[36:01] That's it.

[36:04] Yay.

[36:07] Oh, that's a biggie, Daniel.

[36:11] Any others?

[36:11] No, I don't have any,

[36:13] I've got one Lincoln.

[36:14] Okay.

[36:15] In line.

[36:17] 2 28, 2 28 or 2 29, 2 29.

[36:20] Sorry.

[36:22] Wait a minute.

[36:23] I don't.

[36:24] I just water.

[36:25] Nope.

[36:26] Two

[36:27] 20 August 13th leading max.

[36:29] Yes,

[36:30] there's no nine.

[36:32] It only goes to 2228.

[36:33] The last line.

[36:35] Huh I'm seeing in the oh.

[36:38] Oh, I'm sorry.

[36:38] That's the third.

[36:40] I was looking at the mid, we didn't review the minutes from the seven

[36:43] seven,

[36:45] so we just have to do that one still.

[36:46] So that's right.

[36:47] Okay.

[36:48] Save that one.

[36:48] Okay.

[36:49] yeah.

[36:51] Okay.

[36:52] I need a motion, please.

[36:54] I move to accept the.

[36:56] Draft the meeting minutes from August 13th, 2026 as amended.

[37:01] Thank you.

[37:02] Move the seconded.

[37:03] Tell us in a favor, please indicate saying aye.

[37:05] Aye.

[37:06] Opposed abstentions abstain.

[37:08] One abstention.

[37:09] Okay.

[37:13] All righty now let's see.

[37:18] Continuation of public hearing for the application of.

[37:22] Jake Hasley associates for the site plan review.

[37:25] Of the proposed demolition of existing dry cleaning building.

[37:28] And proposed development of a four-story building 22.

[37:32] Room hotel.

[37:34] No, no. That's

[37:36] that's outta sync with the new proposal.

[37:39] Consists of 12 unit residential building with commercial uses on the first floor.

[37:43] It's back to the original one.

[37:45] Yes.

[37:45] Okay.

[37:45] I'm just reading what's here.

[37:47] I understand that.

[37:47] Okay.

[37:49] So, and that's pine board.

[37:52] Well, let's see projects in the C2 highway commercial zoning district.

[37:56] Excuse me

[37:57] and identified as tax map.

[38:00] 65 dash 1 25.

[38:02] And is planning our favorite buying board case number 26 dash three.

[38:07] Do you have anything to start us off, Dave?

[38:09] Because you said you were gonna do some more.

[38:11] Reviewing.

[38:12] Yes, I am good that this was reviewed by the planning board

[38:17] for a while and like, well, similar proposal.

[38:20] Under a month, but then mixed use the state law zoning changes.

[38:23] And now they're coming in not under a month.

[38:25] So those provisions, most of those provisions.

[38:28] No. Well, they, the MUN provisions do not apply. Mm-hmm

[38:31] they are going under the zoning under a mixed use.

[38:33] So they're back.

[38:34] So it's this.

[38:35] Similar proposal, they did they'll address it, but they did,

[38:39] you know,

[38:40] make some revisions.

[38:42] In response to the eight, 13 planning board.

[38:46] And I'll let them

[38:49] describe what those changes are.

[38:51] I did, you know, in the event the board gets there.

[38:53] I do have suggested conditions of approval.

[38:55] Should the board decide to take action in that way?

[38:58] This evening?

[38:59] Okay, thank you.

[39:00] Okay.

[39:01] Great good evening.

[39:05] So we're back after a couple of months

[39:07] to accommodate the summer schedule.

[39:10] And the time

[39:12] we amended our application.

[39:15] Based on

[39:16] feedback from the board and also from.

[39:19] A couple of the abutters that have been.

[39:21] Here throughout this entire process.

[39:24] In that time, there was a.

[39:26] Change in the state law regarding how.

[39:29] Commercial zones interacts with residential uses.

[39:33] Uses and I believe we've now,

[39:36] we're now.

[39:37] Proposing the least intrusive use possible.

[39:40] On this property while complying with.

[39:43] The underlying CT zone.

[39:45] All that Christian go through.

[39:48] The specifics

[39:48] not much has changed on the plan set mm-hmm that you saw last

[39:52] time.

[39:53] We had spoken in theory about.

[39:57] Modifying an

[39:59] aisle in the back a mulch bed, we were calling it.

[40:02] We had at the last hearing, talked about not doing that.

[40:05] This plan shows that the amended plan shows that so.

[40:08] That's the only substantive change on the exterior, really.

[40:11] And again, electrician go through that.

[40:13] Before I do.

[40:15] I have a letter here from.

[40:18] Chris Hilton at, from DTC on behalf of Ariel.

[40:23] The margaritas lot owners.

[40:25] It was emailed to me and also to the planning department at five 13

[40:29] today.

[40:31] To paraphrase and I'll, I'll read it into the record if that's okay.

[40:34] Sure.

[40:34] But to paraphrase

[40:35] essentially.

[40:37] The folks over our

[40:39] yep.

[40:40] The folks at R E L have withdrawn.

[40:43] All of their objections to this application.

[40:46] And they also now are voicing

[40:48] support for the application.

[40:50] So

[40:51] I think that's good news for the applicant and the city.

[40:55] If I could read this into the record, I think that might be the

[40:57] quickest way to please do it, do this.

[40:58] And again, it is in metal.

[41:00] Save my birth in, in Dawn's email.

[41:02] okay.

[41:03] So dear chair plumber, as you'll recall, this office represents

[41:07] WJP development, LLC, which serves as manager of 75 Portsmouth Ave.

[41:11] Exter in New Hampshire on behalf of its ownership team throughout the deliberations on this

[41:15] application and a prior similar application, this office on behalf of the owners of

[41:20] 75 Portsmouth Ave expressed certain concerns relative to the application.

[41:24] Of course, the application has changed over time, including principally the parking demands of

[41:28] The proposed development, my clients understand the parking will be confined to the subject

[41:32] property under the current iteration of the application and supporting plans.

[41:36] Plans against that backdrop.

[41:36] My client's respectfully submit this letter to inform the board that their concerns regarding

[41:40] the proposed development have been reasonably met by the applicant.

[41:44] And as such their various objections are respectfully withdrawn.

[41:47] In light of the amendments to the application and the proposed uses and configurations

[41:50] reflected in the plan set with the latest revision date of August 8th, 2026.

[41:55] My.

[41:55] Client's cast their support of the relief sought in this application.

[41:59] As always, if you have any questions or concerns regarding the foregoing, please feel

[42:02] free to contact me at our Exeter office.

[42:06] Very truly yours, Christopher.Hi.

[42:07] Hilson.

[42:08] So

[42:09] with that.I'll let Christian

[42:10] talk through the plan.

[42:12] Okay.

[42:13] Traffic good evening, Mr. Chairman members of the board

[42:16] for the record.

[42:17] My name is Kristen Smith engineer with Beals associates.

[42:20] Associates representing the applicant on this project.

[42:23] And

[42:23] Josh is, is quite correct.

[42:25] There was very little change to the exterior.

[42:29] Aside from making all the plans.

[42:31] Plans depict the correct.

[42:34] And non disturbing.

[42:36] Back travel ways

[42:38] to that.

[42:39] Landscape island,

[42:40] which is largely.

[42:42] On the, on the Needham bank property.

[42:46] We have gone through this revision with the,

[42:49] the fire inspector.

[42:51] He is, he is very happy with it.

[42:53] What this change in use we feel does is addresses the issues that were

[42:58] brought up.

[42:59] By some of the abutters

[43:01] specific to the transient nature of hotel use.

[43:04] The intention at this time is for these apartments to be sold.

[43:10] And in that you will have.

[43:13] Residents very similar to residents at the Manor.

[43:16] The bottom floor will have two.

[43:19] Different roughly 1200 square foot.

[43:23] Commercial spaces.

[43:25] We do not know who those users are gonna be.

[43:27] Who's going to occupy those commercial spaces, but.

[43:30] Very likely, you know, it will be office or retail or something along those

[43:34] lines.

[43:35] We, we did our parking calculations.

[43:38] Based on professional office and a retail.

[43:42] For roughly half of each

[43:44] and.

[43:46] We still now another point that I wanted to add.

[43:49] Is,

[43:50] I don't believe this the new state law requires you to have.

[43:55] Visitor spaces, quote unquote, but we accounted for those in our parking calculations simply

[43:59] because the exit ordinance discusses that.

[44:02] And does require that.

[44:03] And even with that and the commercial space.

[44:06] We now have a surplus of three spaces, which.

[44:10] Would not be needed to be used per se.

[44:13] So I think we've, we've gone a step in.

[44:16] Curing everybody's concern that this proposal would.

[44:20] Eliminate their ability to use the cross easement that goes over all four of

[44:23] these properties as well.

[44:26] And just to, just to remind folks.

[44:30] If we get that far tonight, which we're certainly hopeful, we do.

[44:34] There is still a, a Shoreland protection conditional use permit that is required for

[44:38] this.

[44:39] Months ago you did receive correspondence from the conservation commission and they're in favor

[44:45] of the project.

[44:47] Very little else has changed with regard to the site plans.

[44:52] We still propose the pervious walkways.

[44:54] We still propose the per.

[44:55] Pervious pavement in the back stalls, which we assume will be probably the lightest

[45:00] used.

[45:02] And everything else.

[45:04] Pretty much remains as it was in the former proposal.

[45:08] This amendment just changes that from a, a micro hotel.

[45:13] To 12 residential units and two commercial spaces on the first floor.

[45:17] With that I'll entertain any comments or questions from the board?

[45:21] You spoke about selling those eventually we sold.

[45:24] And does that mean you're gonna end up with a condominium?

[45:27] Association.

[45:28] Very likely.

[45:29] Yes.

[45:29] So.

[45:32] And are they going to end up owning the whole building?

[45:34] And being the well, if it, if it's sells out, that would be per

[45:38] be my presumption.

[45:38] Oh, they, or they would become members of that cor yeah, they, they would

[45:41] all be.

[45:42] Part of the association.

[45:43] Yep.

[45:45] Questions.

[45:46] Thank you for the changes.

[45:48] Changes looks.We finally came to an answer.

[45:49] It took a little while to get there, but .

[45:53] Yes.

[45:54] Question question in your face.

[45:55] A lot of questions, but I just

[45:57] in the, on the back back part of the lot.

[46:01] I can't remember.

[46:02] Was there, was there ever any issue about.

[46:05] Putting you've got that area designated as a snow storage.

[46:10] Where it's not allowed on the forest pavement, but is there an issue with

[46:14] snow being pushed beyond that?

[46:16] Because it that's, the slope goes down well, there's, there's vegetation.

[46:20] That's gonna, that, that is planted.

[46:22] That can't be cut.

[46:23] That is actually on the town.

[46:25] Side of that

[46:25] property line.

[46:26] Okay.

[46:26] Alright.

[46:27] And so the thought process being

[46:30] it's, it's not gonna go there and if, if, I mean, that's not.

[46:33] Gonna hold a great deal of snow Gwen.

[46:34] And as you know, we've spoken about this before.

[46:37] In the event that it starts backing into the stalls.

[46:42] Stalls they've gotta come in, scoop it and truck it up.

[46:44] So at this point, really the only snow storage you have is right up

[46:48] in the back of the building.

[46:49] And up, up front, front, front by the yes, by the road.

[46:52] Which,

[46:53] and I, a little, yeah, because at the board's request we did remove.

[46:57] Those notes between us and the Manor property.

[47:00] Okay.

[47:01] I'm a little concerned about how the plantings are gonna do.

[47:06] On the road.

[47:08] Snow storage side, but

[47:12] well, our landscape architect told us that those are they're gonna be, I don't

[47:16] know about salt tolerant, but salt resistant.

[47:18] Okay.

[47:19] Planting.

[47:19] So flour resistant.

[47:20] Well, right.

[47:21] If they, if they shove their plow across the grass, that

[47:24] could be a problem.

[47:26] Okay.

[47:30] May I just G go ahead.

[47:31] Just remember we, we do have that condition that yeah.

[47:33] Any dead or dying vegetation shall be.

[47:35] Yeah.

[47:35] Please replaced the next growing.

[47:37] Season.

[47:37] So yeah.

[47:38] You know, we do have that as a backup, if it, yeah.

[47:41] Got it.

[47:45] So

[47:47] all right.

[47:48] I, I I'm a little.

[47:50] Concerned about the traffic pattern in the parking area, in back of the building

[47:56] So people

[47:58] unless, unless I've on one plan, it looks like.

[48:02] The middle section of that parking area has 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

[48:06] Spots mm-hmm but on another it looks like it only has four.

[48:09] So do you see a circular.

[48:12] Pat a circular driving pattern in that parking lot.

[48:15] Are people gonna go in.

[48:18] Back out.

[48:18] No, I think they would go in back into the aisle, that front aisle

[48:21] between the first set of stalls and the middle stalls.

[48:25] Stalls is if I'm not mistaken, 35 feet.

[48:28] So there's plenty of room for vehicles to back out.

[48:30] Okay.

[48:30] And turn around in that location.

[48:36] Okay.

[48:39] No ADA parking in the front.

[48:41] It's all in the back.

[48:42] Just those two currently.

[48:43] Yes.

[48:43] That's how currently that's closed.

[48:44] Tell you, you have it.

[48:46] I guess you, I guess.

[48:50] Hmm.

[48:51] And we went through that in one of the prior iterations.

[48:53] It might have even been the M U N D,

[48:56] but that existing parking lot up front is.

[48:59] Actually too steep to propose.

[49:00] I, I remember that spell ADA stalls.

[49:02] It's hotel.

[49:04] Yeah, I remember that.

[49:05] I just.

[49:07] Just seems if you're gonna have a.

[49:09] Commercial, some kind of commercial enterprise office space, whatever downstairs.

[49:14] Downstairs.

[49:16] It just seems like the front of the building is gonna be the.

[49:20] The most

[49:22] used parking space, but.

[49:25] You have ADA parking in the back.

[49:27] So I guess that's all right.

[49:29] Mm-hmm .

[49:33] Where do you?

[49:34] You've got the, the mailboxes are in the back inside, but in the back

[49:38] down.

[49:39] Downstairs of the door.

[49:39] There will be a kiosk just inside that door.

[49:41] I believe on the left.

[49:42] When you're walking.

[49:44] So I know previously

[49:47] we talked about a loading spot.

[49:50] Are you presuming that there's always gonna be a place for the male person

[49:54] I presume they'll drive just all.

[49:55] We have three extra stalls.

[49:57] Stalls if based on the town's ordinances, every single space.

[50:02] Designated for use would be in use.

[50:04] We have three extra stalls.

[50:06] And in addition to that,

[50:08] hopefully this works.

[50:11] There we go.

[50:13] With the reorganization of this, there's a lot of.

[50:16] Dead pavement right there.

[50:17] Mm-hmm .

[50:18] Definitely a male truck had come in there.

[50:21] Parked right next to that

[50:23] handicap space.

[50:24] Handicapped space and get into that side of the building, do an access, the

[50:27] kiosk.

[50:28] Kiosk.

[50:29] Okay.

[50:32] Hmm.

[50:36] And you don't

[50:37] don't you already said you don't know.

[50:39] Yet where,

[50:40] what is going in the commercial spaces?

[50:43] So correct.

[50:44] Okay.

[50:46] Do you have EV conduits?

[50:48] Yes.

[50:49] Yes.

[50:49] EV conduits are in the back as well in the back as well.

[50:53] And then I know Jen brought up bike storage.

[50:57] Has that

[50:58] have you

[51:00] we didn't specifically.

[51:02] Designate any, but my assumption is.

[51:05] They would likely put

[51:08] for the summer months, just a.

[51:10] Movable bike rack on that grass area left of the, well, I guess it

[51:15] would be south of the walkway into that building.

[51:20] Mm-hmm

[51:23] Hmm.

[51:24] All right.

[51:24] And then it could just be moved into storage for the winter months.

[51:32] Shift point to work.

[51:33] Can you point to me where that.

[51:35] Is

[51:36] just the location of that.

[51:37] Yeah.

[51:37] The bike belt.

[51:38] Yep.

[51:39] So here is the walkway into the building Uhhuh and this grass strip

[51:43] right here.

[51:44] Got it.

[51:44] Thank you.

[51:45] Mm-hmm .

[51:50] Mm-hmm

[51:54] I'm gonna stop for now.

[51:56] Okay.

[51:57] Someone else has questions.

[51:59] Questions.

[51:59] I have probably a couple questions.

[52:02] Let's see are the, the residential units.

[52:04] They.

[52:05] Single bedroom, two bedroom,

[52:08] two, two bedroom.

[52:13] The

[52:15] the parking up front.

[52:17] The those spaces, Todd, to tell there, this space.

[52:20] These end spaces here.

[52:23] What is the distance between the setbacks so that a vehicle can back out

[52:27] and turn and head back out in that direction.

[52:30] How close is that space to the, to leave.

[52:32] Those are 24 feet.

[52:33] Marty.

[52:33] Let me.

[52:34] No, no, no. The, what I'm looking for is the, the distance.

[52:39] Is your PA end of the parking space.

[52:42] And appear is the end of the parking little offset space.

[52:45] Yeah, it's approximately five feet.

[52:47] Okay.

[52:50] Is that

[52:51] on the

[52:54] I think this is the old.

[52:56] Planting plan

[52:57] cuz the circulation that that is correct.

[52:59] We, we are still waiting for the current one, but.

[53:02] Realistically, I believe the only thing

[53:05] materially that's gonna change.

[53:07] Is there was in the former iteration.

[53:10] A little island right there, but that was where the.

[53:13] Landscape.

[53:14] I was being

[53:15] effective and in talking to Lee's.

[53:18] Lee's essentially these plantings that were going.

[53:21] In that little island.

[53:24] Will just be relocated to this new island, which is, which is gonna be

[53:29] Our side of what's left of, of that landscape.

[53:33] Okay.I, I, everything else was gonna remain the same.

[53:35] The concern I have with the, the, the previous plan.

[53:39] Had

[53:40] trees out here in this area.

[53:42] At the end of those Isles.

[53:43] Yep.

[53:44] And again, I'm just, you know, I'm concerned that this vehicle's in lost space

[53:48] we'll be able to back out.

[53:51] Back into that area without

[53:53] hitting the tree.

[53:54] Without hitting a snow bank, whatever's gonna be there.

[53:56] It's it's just very tight.

[54:01] But it is the standard,

[54:03] the standard.

[54:05] Aisle width.

[54:05] So it's a.

[54:07] But so the setbacks, at least five feet,

[54:09] as you're saying

[54:11] that five foot kind of over pavement from the end of the stalls.

[54:15] Stalls.Yes.

[54:16] Yes.

[54:16] I, what I'm talking about is the.

[54:19] The end of the parking space.

[54:20] Yep.

[54:20] When you back out, you've got at least five feet before.

[54:24] On those parking lot end zone on those installs?

[54:25] Correct.

[54:26] Okay.

[54:26] Yep.

[54:29] And I know you said.

[54:31] You don't know what's gonna be in the commercial space.

[54:35] I I'll just say, you know, the issues I had before with respect to

[54:40] traffic and pedestrian.

[54:42] Activity in that front area.

[54:44] Was primarily related to

[54:47] if it was gonna be a high turnover coffee shop.

[54:51] If you have office space or other type of retail in there, it's not

[54:54] as a much of a concern.

[54:57] But if it's a coffee shop, I would've the same concerns.

[55:00] So I don't know.

[55:01] What I can do about that.

[55:02] If you can't tell me what it's gonna be.

[55:04] .

[55:07] It makes it challenging.

[55:14] I had a question.

[55:14] Go ahead.

[55:15] A few questions.

[55:17] Off of Gwen's question about the EV.

[55:23] Ports, you said they'll be in the back, correct?

[55:26] Does that conflict?

[55:27] So it's on the back of the building.

[55:28] So would that impact.

[55:30] The placement of the ADA spaces.

[55:32] Well that that's currently where we have it proposed.

[55:35] I mean that, those conduits, if you guys feel they're better located somewhere else

[55:40] Can go.

[55:40] Absolutely.

[55:41] Anything.Yeah.I mean, is there any issue with putting them in the front?

[55:46] Because, especially if they, I mean, aside from, you know, you're gonna have pedestals

[55:49] at the end of the day, which are not got attractive, but.

[55:54] I mean, we could, we could run them out to the middle.

[55:57] The middle of a parking.

[55:59] But then again, that's gonna monkey with.

[56:05] I just noticing

[56:07] yeah.

[56:09] With

[56:10] two

[56:11] accessible spots that you have.

[56:14] There that would only

[56:16] that would either be inaccessible or a handicap spot.

[56:19] That's charging an EV

[56:21] and then you have one remaining potential, like not handicapped plate.

[56:25] It's a lot back there.

[56:29] So,

[56:30] I mean, if it's the board's preference that, that you guys want them.

[56:34] Both directed to

[56:35] non HC compliance stalls.

[56:38] That's that's not an issue.

[56:40] Those conduits can be run anywhere.

[56:41] Okay.

[56:42] That makes sense.

[56:43] It does.

[56:43] I think that makes sense.

[56:44] I would worry about.

[56:46] Occupying a car occupying an EV.

[56:49] Site when there's a need for a handicap.

[56:51] Yeah.

[56:53] Yeah, parking spot.

[56:54] I mean, can they go, can they go on the back?

[56:57] Line in the pervious pavement.

[57:04] Yeah, that that's a valid point.

[57:06] Yeah.

[57:06] What, what the client's saying, Glen.

[57:08] Is that we would probably prefer to leave one at the ADA, just in

[57:11] case.

[57:12] There was an ADA car that needed to park there.

[57:15] That is an electric vehicle.

[57:18] And we could certainly run another one out to one of those rear stalls

[57:23] Stalls.Yeah.

[57:23] Yeah.

[57:24] As long as there's a sign or something that says.

[57:27] Only

[57:28] handicap parking, ADA parking there.

[57:30] So you, you wouldn't want someone taking, oh, of course.

[57:33] A spot, of course.

[57:33] And, and they will have.

[57:35] Nancy, the typical signage.

[57:38] The paint on the pavement depicting that that is a, so if, if somebody

[57:42] without.

[57:44] Handicapped credentials parked there.

[57:46] The police could be called.

[57:47] They could get ticketed, you know,

[57:50] okay, thank you.

[57:51] It, it, it, they will be enforceable.

[57:55] Another question I had, and I know this is a.

[57:57] Older planting plan,

[58:00] but on the.

[58:02] Plantable space, adjacent ports with Ave.

[58:04] Are, is that still going to be Juniper brush or is, can that be

[58:10] Trees because that part of forest would have

[58:12] gets a lot of sun.

[58:12] Doesn't have a lot of shade.

[58:14] And that would be good for people parking there as well as people using

[58:16] the sidewalk.

[58:17] Yeah.

[58:17] I thought she had a couple of trees proposed if trees proposed.

[58:21] Can you put up there?

[58:22] I dunno if you can go to the planting plant.

[58:24] Yep.

[58:25] Even though it's old.

[58:27] Page eight.

[58:36] Yeah.

[58:37] So there's those trees.

[58:39] Just one sec.

[58:42] There we go.

[58:44] Now we can see it better,

[58:45] not as much.

[58:49] So there's those three, which is great.

[58:51] And then I'm thinking about.

[58:52] The,

[58:54] I guess it's

[58:55] it's spot next to port Ave.

[58:59] Is there a possibility of trees being there in here?

[59:01] Yeah.

[59:02] In there.

[59:03] From both the shade of those parking.

[59:06] And

[59:08] adding shade to the sidewalk.

[59:13] Yeah, the well

[59:15] this, this area right here.

[59:19] That, that sign we had gone through with the neighbor who has a commercial

[59:23] unit in the Manor facility.

[59:25] Okay.

[59:27] And have basically that that's where the sign for this building will go as

[59:30] well.

[59:32] And have committed to him that it will not be taller or will actually

[59:35] be lower.

[59:35] I believe is what the agreement was.

[59:38] Right to his size, his sign right up the street.

[59:40] Mm-hmm so that wouldn't work out in that location.

[59:43] I mean,

[59:45] one tree could probably go in here,

[59:47] Ryan, but.

[59:48] I don't know that multiples would, would work well simply because in the winter

[59:52] months they, that will.

[59:55] You know, Therase storage area for some yeah.

[59:57] And.

[59:58] The visibility that's I, I could, but as she works through this for final

[1:00:02] Which which again,

[1:00:04] you know, the, the only real substantive change proposes in the back, relocating those

[1:00:08] small shrubs mm-hmm but.

[1:00:10] I could see being able to put one tree kind of in the middle

[1:00:13] mm-hmm and then the canopy would, I would assume cover at least a

[1:00:17] couple of the spaces.

[1:00:18] Maybe

[1:00:19] the one in the middle and half of each of the other one or

[1:00:22] whatever, but yeah, it would provide some shade.

[1:00:24] Yeah.

[1:00:24] I think anyone that's parked in those lots knows it.

[1:00:27] It's

[1:00:27] oh, it gets hot.

[1:00:28] Yes.

[1:00:29] And then the other question I had was.

[1:00:33] I guess you can see it here below the proposed parking.

[1:00:35] If you want to please pointer to assist me.

[1:00:38] Below here to the right.

[1:00:40] Yep.

[1:00:41] To, to the right more down.

[1:00:43] Mower down, down on the map.

[1:00:45] Oh, I'm sorry.

[1:00:45] Yeah.

[1:00:45] So that.

[1:00:47] Has crosshatch part,

[1:00:49] is that just.

[1:00:50] Lines for that is painted lines.

[1:00:52] So it's not curd.

[1:00:53] It's just lines, correct.

[1:00:54] Okay.

[1:00:54] Yeah.

[1:00:56] Alright, that answers the questions.

[1:00:58] Questions.Oh, I guess the question is this might be up to the.

[1:01:02] Condo association or how that's formed.

[1:01:04] Is it assigned parking?

[1:01:07] In the lots in the back for residence and partially in the front, or

[1:01:09] is that just gonna be something that gets sorted out as time goes on

[1:01:12] sorted out?

[1:01:14] Yeah.For the, for the records sorted out as okay.

[1:01:16] Things come together.

[1:01:17] Yeah.

[1:01:18] Those are my questions.

[1:01:19] Thank you.

[1:01:20] You're very welcome.

[1:01:22] Should I go back to the presentation plan, Mr. Chairman.

[1:01:24] Sure.

[1:01:25] I will.

[1:01:25] I think while you're on this one, I have a question.

[1:01:27] Oh, who're on this one.

[1:01:28] Wait a minute.

[1:01:29] Okay.

[1:01:31] Kristen.

[1:01:31] Just wait a minute.

[1:01:32] Yeah, I'm just sliding the view over so we can see the entire property

[1:01:39] Ah, good.

[1:01:43] The whole shot enchilada.

[1:01:44] Very good.

[1:01:50] Okay.

[1:01:51] So I think at the risk of sort of repeating what other people have

[1:01:53] said, I'm also a little.

[1:01:55] Bit concerned about the parking circulation.

[1:01:58] In the front

[1:01:59] where it's.

[1:02:02] This, this isn't the updated one, but basically those two.

[1:02:06] Like right now, this one that we're seeing goes in hasn't changed.

[1:02:11] This, this is different than your, some than your proposal, though.

[1:02:15] I chose one way.

[1:02:16] This shows one way circuit circulation with an aisle you're Absolut.

[1:02:19] Absolutely right.

[1:02:19] Yep.

[1:02:19] Yeah.

[1:02:19] Yep.

[1:02:20] Which this,

[1:02:22] this kind of makes sense.

[1:02:25] To me as a driver.

[1:02:28] Because you can

[1:02:30] you know, if you go in and then, oh, there's no spots or whatever

[1:02:32] you can just loop around.

[1:02:34] And then also just anyone who's parking on those, like Northern four.

[1:02:38] Spots.

[1:02:39] I feel like are going to be hitting your trees.

[1:02:43] Constantly.

[1:02:44] If you don't like.

[1:02:45] Put a fence there or something, then they're gonna be hitting the fence.

[1:02:49] I don't know.

[1:02:50] I just, I feel like it's like very tight, like backing out of one

[1:02:52] of those spots on like the.

[1:02:55] The four spots on the north, it just doesn't seem like there's enough room

[1:02:59] To maneuver.

[1:03:01] Well, I mean, we do show the, the vehicle and I think we used

[1:03:05] a St like a.

[1:03:07] Ford

[1:03:08] Explorer type of a vehicle.

[1:03:09] Did what sheet is that on?

[1:03:11] Cause I wasn't seeing that parking plan, I believe.

[1:03:14] The parking, which I can get.

[1:03:17] Yeah.

[1:03:17] If you could pull that up, that'd be great.

[1:03:18] Cause I was not seeing that.

[1:03:22] Shoot four.

[1:03:28] Yeah, parking

[1:03:30] yeah, right down there on the lower left.

[1:03:33] There we go.

[1:03:34] Yeah.

[1:03:35] Oh, okay.

[1:03:35] I didn't see that.

[1:03:36] It's not there.

[1:03:36] It's clear on this screen, but.

[1:03:40] Which sheet number is that?

[1:03:45] Four Marty, I think four.

[1:03:46] Oh, I see it.

[1:03:46] Yeah.

[1:03:47] On the.

[1:03:48] Someone with the blue arrows.

[1:03:50] Arrows

[1:03:55] is that gonna have a curb?

[1:03:57] Is there a curb on that Northern edge?

[1:03:58] On, on the Manor side?

[1:04:00] Yes.

[1:04:00] Yeah.

[1:04:01] Okay.

[1:04:02] Yeah, that'll help.

[1:04:12] But that, that question.

[1:04:14] Jen is precisely why

[1:04:17] took a look at this stall, which is.

[1:04:20] Yeah, that's this stall.

[1:04:21] Yeah.

[1:04:21] I appreciate seeing that.

[1:04:22] Just to see that missed that little insert back out, make their turn and

[1:04:25] not get off the paper.

[1:04:26] Mm-hmm .

[1:04:28] Yeah, crank into other vehicles.

[1:04:28] And I think having that curb there that at least their tires would hit

[1:04:31] the curb.

[1:04:31] Yeah.

[1:04:32] It, it gives you a, a six inch veal for a wheel stop.

[1:04:35] Yep.

[1:04:55] Hello

[1:04:56] questions.

[1:04:56] Thoughts.

[1:05:13] Anybody from the

[1:05:16] public would like to speak.

[1:05:18] Please come up,

[1:05:20] step up to the microphone and.

[1:05:23] Introduce yourself, please.

[1:05:24] A couple quick questions.

[1:05:26] Questions.

[1:05:32] My name is Michael Siegel.

[1:05:33] I'm from, I.

[1:05:34] Representative Manor.

[1:05:37] We weren't

[1:05:38] at the first couple of meetings and I, one thing I, I didn't see

[1:05:41] the plans, but.

[1:05:43] How large are the residential units?

[1:05:44] That's.

[1:05:46] That's

[1:05:48] around 700 square feet, 700 square feet.

[1:05:50] Okay.

[1:05:51] And how many parking spaces are there?

[1:05:54] 26 26.

[1:05:55] Okay.

[1:05:56] That's all I wanted to know.

[1:05:57] Thank you.

[1:05:59] Yes, sir.

[1:06:10] Good evening, Todd FAHE from the law firm of Upton and Hatfield representing Needham

[1:06:15] bank, which is in a butter as.

[1:06:17] You recall just a quick procedural question to be sure that I'm fully clear

[1:06:22] So the there's been several matters.

[1:06:25] Introduced they have, and the records were combined.

[1:06:28] And this is simply an amendment.

[1:06:30] On the combined.

[1:06:31] Is that what the board's understanding is?

[1:06:34] It's it, this is an amendment.

[1:06:37] To what was a previous, the last application, which was then combined with the

[1:06:41] prior proceeding.

[1:06:44] Yeah.

[1:06:44] Yep.

[1:06:45] It wasn't.

[1:06:46] What do you mean by the prior?

[1:06:48] Well, there were two records.

[1:06:49] There were two records.

[1:06:51] And then I think there was a motion and you combine them.

[1:06:54] The reason I'm asking is that I just.

[1:06:56] I, I don't have to resubmit everything again, but, but if you're, if you're

[1:07:00] to tell me that this is a new.

[1:07:02] Matter then I would want to just redate and resubmit documents that you've seen

[1:07:07] from me ad nauseum.

[1:07:08] So was a as a active.

[1:07:10] Of mercy.

[1:07:11] I'm asking the question.

[1:07:12] So I need to give you more documents.

[1:07:15] Documents.I can, I can answer that.

[1:07:15] We, we continued the meeting to give them time.

[1:07:18] To

[1:07:21] hopefully work out that then.

[1:07:24] Hotel plan.

[1:07:26] So this is

[1:07:28] basically the same plan.

[1:07:30] With modifications, because this is the best way they could work out the traffic

[1:07:34] flow.

[1:07:34] Right.

[1:07:35] But we're still dealing with the same.

[1:07:37] It's an, it's an amended.

[1:07:38] Plan and the, and the certified record that we attached to this is still

[1:07:42] attached to it.

[1:07:42] Perfect.

[1:07:43] You don't need to give us any more paperwork.

[1:07:45] All right.

[1:07:45] Exactly.

[1:07:46] I won't.

[1:07:47] If you'd like don't weren't needed.

[1:07:49] Todd.

[1:07:49] All right.

[1:07:50] No problem.

[1:07:51] Okay.

[1:07:52] So not being said.

[1:07:54] This is,

[1:07:54] I think the.

[1:07:56] The issue we still have because I don't, we don't really, I, I don't

[1:08:00] have authority tonight, not understanding what the use is gonna be in the commercial

[1:08:04] Use and what the traffic flow is, it's the same issue.

[1:08:06] So I know there was some reference and I understand that developer wants flexibility

[1:08:12] Appreciate the, the issue addressing the parking.

[1:08:16] But without knowing what the use would be.

[1:08:19] You know, we can't can't consent to this and we need to object for

[1:08:22] the same reasons we previously have submitted to the board.

[1:08:26] Save for the, for those that are relevant.

[1:08:27] I mean, it's not a hotel anymore.

[1:08:29] But the most important piece is that you still have discretion

[1:08:33] under your site plan, review regulations to, to approve this in a way that

[1:08:38] Makes sense under your regulations?

[1:08:39] Yeah.

[1:08:40] So for the reasons I previously said before,

[1:08:43] we renew those requests.

[1:08:45] We renew our objections.

[1:08:47] Only insofar

[1:08:48] as

[1:08:49] just don't really

[1:08:50] don't really understand how this is gonna work.

[1:08:52] And even with the trap,

[1:08:54] the traffic flow.

[1:08:55] Two little points.

[1:08:56] I appreciate the shaving off of the, the area that was affected in the

[1:09:00] island in the back.

[1:09:01] And, and perhaps the applicant could speak to this.

[1:09:03] I saw it seemed to be a new.

[1:09:06] A new sewer easement, maybe an eight inch pipe.

[1:09:09] And I'm, I don't know if that was some wh where that came from

[1:09:12] but I think I saw that on the utility.

[1:09:14] Plan.

[1:09:15] And with that, I'll just end my comments, Mr. Chairman.

[1:09:18] Okay, thank you.

[1:09:21] Yep.

[1:09:21] And I can address that Mr. Chairman, that is just a replacement of the

[1:09:26] Pipe that is currently there for the dry cleaner.

[1:09:30] So that is the D P w just wanted that.

[1:09:33] D P w was new pipe?

[1:09:34] Yeah.

[1:09:35] Okay.

[1:09:38] Anyone else?

[1:09:43] Don't come in, then I will close the public portion of the meeting.

[1:09:46] Bring it back to the

[1:09:47] board.

[1:09:48] And now you spoke about.

[1:09:52] And then you're gonna need your help.

[1:09:54] Conditional.

[1:09:55] Conditional use paramedic use permit.

[1:09:58] Use permit.

[1:09:58] And we do have two waivers that are still pending.

[1:10:02] I will remind you one of those is for the.

[1:10:06] Work within five feet of a budding property line.

[1:10:08] Yes.

[1:10:10] The entire building is within five feet of both property lines.

[1:10:12] We couldn't.

[1:10:14] Couldn't get this done without, without that.

[1:10:18] And

[1:10:21] then

[1:10:27] oh, the, the.

[1:10:29] The light trespass onto a budding.

[1:10:33] Properties.

[1:10:33] Yeah.

[1:10:34] You took care of that though.

[1:10:35] You took, yeah, we, we did.

[1:10:37] So,

[1:10:37] I mean, I'll, I'll let you guys

[1:10:40] any direction.

[1:10:41] I'll let you guys

[1:10:43] opine.

[1:10:45] There we are as to whether or not that is.

[1:10:48] Still gonna be necessary.

[1:10:51] And again, if you see a.

[1:10:53] Couple of hundreds.

[1:10:56] Hundreds just over the property line.

[1:10:57] That is gonna be absolutely washed by the existing high pressure sodium.

[1:11:01] Lights that are all around us.

[1:11:06] But they did get the entire.

[1:11:09] Cones of illumination

[1:11:11] down to, I believe it is.

[1:11:14] Half a foot candle,

[1:11:15] maybe even a 10th of a foot candle.

[1:11:17] All on property.

[1:11:20] All within those property.

[1:11:22] Okay.

[1:11:22] Can I just ask a call a yes.

[1:11:25] Floor.

[1:11:25] It was taken care of and you didn't need that anymore.

[1:11:28] So that's now you needed to.

[1:11:31] You you need the waiver again?

[1:11:32] No, the lights have not changed since.

[1:11:34] Okay.

[1:11:34] Since prior iteration.

[1:11:35] Okay, so you don't need a wave?

[1:11:37] Well, we, we never got there.

[1:11:39] So you guys never said, no, you don't well, because you modified it

[1:11:43] Yes.

[1:11:43] And you changed it.

[1:11:44] So it wasn't necessary.

[1:11:45] We sent it back to our lighting consultant.

[1:11:47] Okay.

[1:11:47] Correct.

[1:11:48] Okay.

[1:11:48] And that has not changed.

[1:11:49] Wanna make sure that wasn't another change that has not changed, changed.

[1:11:52] Nancy's not changed.

[1:11:52] Thank the proposed lights have not.

[1:11:54] Okay.

[1:11:55] Been edited.

[1:11:59] Okay.

[1:12:00] Yes.

[1:12:00] And then Mr. Chairman, the final piece would be the conditional use permit.

[1:12:04] Because a portion of this property is in.

[1:12:08] Protected Shoreland.

[1:12:09] Yep.

[1:12:09] Believe it's that line.

[1:12:10] There is the one 50 and that line, there is 300.

[1:12:16] That was where the previous packet.

[1:12:17] Wasn't it.

[1:12:19] Well, let's go with a.

[1:12:22] That permit first.

[1:12:24] Yeah.And the disturbance doesn't change because nothing else exterior really changed.

[1:12:29] And we, we are reducing the.

[1:12:33] Existing impervious area.

[1:12:35] In this proposed condition.

[1:12:37] Or we continue to propose that.

[1:12:39] Yes.Yeah.Yeah.

[1:12:45] Henry conditions you need to respond?

[1:12:48] Well, there are, there are.

[1:12:50] Mm-hmm

[1:12:52] eight points.

[1:12:52] I think.

[1:12:54] Which I can

[1:12:56] okay.

[1:12:57] Nope.

[1:12:57] Five points.

[1:12:58] Which are part of 9.3 0.4 G two.

[1:13:02] Conditional uses.

[1:13:04] Uses the proposed development will not detrimentally affect surface water quality.

[1:13:08] To the waterworks pond or result in unhelpful conditions due to the proposed stormwater

[1:13:12] management.

[1:13:14] That meets a town of Exeter requirements that is proposed for the property.

[1:13:18] And in addition, no

[1:13:20] snow will be stored within the.

[1:13:23] The Shoreland district in the.

[1:13:28] In the, in the direction of the water.

[1:13:31] Pond.

[1:13:32] I, I would suppose.

[1:13:34] The project will solely discharge domestic wastewater through the municipal sewer system.

[1:13:39] There will be no onsite discharge or storage of.

[1:13:44] Excuse me or disposal of hazardous or toxic wastes on the property.

[1:13:49] Letter C the proposed development will not result in any damage to spawning grounds

[1:13:54] or other habitat.

[1:13:56] All storm water from the development area that is directed towards the waterworks pond

[1:13:59] will be infiltrated into the ground.

[1:14:02] Post-treatment and the layout has been designed to minimize.

[1:14:07] Disturbance within the S P D and complies with the use regulations.

[1:14:12] Identified an article 9.3 0.4, with the exception of the following, which is part

[1:14:17] of this conditional use permit request.

[1:14:19] Minimum lot coverage.

[1:14:20] The maximum impervious lot coverage is limited to 10%.

[1:14:25] Where we are requesting an impervious lot coverage of 78%.

[1:14:30] Which as a reduction from the existing site at 79% in pervious within the

[1:14:35] Shoreland protection district.

[1:14:37] And finally point E article 9 30, 1 of the Exodus Shoreland protection district ordinance.

[1:14:43] Authority and purpose the protection, maintenance and enhancement of the waterworks pond is achieved

[1:14:49] Achieved through the drainage design proposed.

[1:14:51] The existing site, direct stormwater.

[1:14:53] To the water.

[1:14:55] The current site directs water towards the waterworks pond without treatment.

[1:15:00] The proposal provides porous pavement with a sand filter treatment that infiltrates all storm

[1:15:05] water.

[1:15:06] Up to and including the 50 year storm event.

[1:15:11] Okay.

[1:15:13] Any questions about that?

[1:15:17] I'd like to make a motion.

[1:15:23] That we prove the

[1:15:29] requirement here.

[1:15:31] The suggestive language.

[1:15:32] It's a little tough.

[1:15:33] Ah,

[1:15:35] right.

[1:15:36] So this is the shore warrant.

[1:15:37] Shoreland.

[1:15:39] Protection district.

[1:15:42] I don't have

[1:15:44] we don't have any like, suggested.

[1:15:47] Like motion.

[1:15:53] On the,

[1:15:54] it's not included in the memo.

[1:15:57] Okay.

[1:15:58] If I can get you one oh, right here.

[1:16:01] Oh, okay.

[1:16:01] Yeah, I have one.

[1:16:02] Do, do you.

[1:16:04] I could read it to you if you could read it and then I'll

[1:16:06] move it.

[1:16:06] How's that?

[1:16:07] Yeah.

[1:16:07] And it's the Shoreland one, right?

[1:16:09] Yes.

[1:16:10] Yeah.Yeah.

[1:16:10] After reviewing the criteria.

[1:16:12] For a Shoreland conditional use permit.

[1:16:14] I move that the request of.

[1:16:17] Which one is this one?

[1:16:18] Jeff Kaley.

[1:16:20] 26 dash 3 26 dash three.

[1:16:26] For our conditional use permit, be

[1:16:28] approved.

[1:16:29] Approved with fallen conditions, table or denied.

[1:16:32] I would recommend.

[1:16:33] Two conditions that were recommended by the conservation commission.

[1:16:36] Wasn't that one?

[1:16:37] Yeah.

[1:16:38] These were the ones, the conservation commission recommended that the soils located around and

[1:16:42] under the existing building a tested for contamination after building removal and shown to

[1:16:46] be.

[1:16:46] In the in line with state requirements and to the monitoring.

[1:16:49] Well, located onsite is decommissioned and.

[1:16:53] Re removed until after cons.

[1:16:55] Until after construction and recommissioned.

[1:17:00] All set.

[1:17:01] Okay.

[1:17:01] So if you move, I'll try this one.

[1:17:03] And Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry to interrupt you, Nancy.

[1:17:05] I believe both of those.

[1:17:07] Notes are on the plans.

[1:17:09] Plans.

[1:17:09] Okay.

[1:17:10] My apologies.

[1:17:10] No, no need.

[1:17:11] And it's good to just put 'em here for, you know yeah, it does

[1:17:14] for visibility sake.

[1:17:15] Cutting.

[1:17:15] Nice pressing teeth.

[1:17:16] So.

[1:17:17] I will move.

[1:17:21] The conditional use permit.

[1:17:23] As as described by our town planner.

[1:17:27] And including the conditions stated be approved.

[1:17:32] I kind of John the glove, but that's the best I could do.

[1:17:34] Sorry.

[1:17:34] I'll second.

[1:17:35] Thank you second.

[1:17:36] Okay.

[1:17:36] Any

[1:17:37] questions?

[1:17:37] Discussion.

[1:17:40] We can do hand votes on this captain.

[1:17:42] So

[1:17:43] those in favor, please raise your right hand.

[1:17:46] Mm-hmm opposed.

[1:17:48] Senses the eyes.

[1:17:49] Have it.

[1:17:50] Okay now.

[1:17:52] Can I ask a one question?

[1:17:54] Sure.

[1:17:54] If that's all.

[1:17:56] Right.

[1:17:56] We have not talked about the architectural features of this, but I, I did

[1:18:00] wanna ask.

[1:18:02] On the

[1:18:05] I guess it would be the third floor.

[1:18:06] It almost looked well.

[1:18:08] It would have railing if it was a balcony, but is that.

[1:18:12] I'm looking at this picture.

[1:18:13] Oh, let me get that up for you.

[1:18:15] Go on.

[1:18:27] It's yeah.

[1:18:43] Yeah, that one, that wouldn't work.

[1:18:55] Here we go.

[1:19:02] Okay.

[1:19:03] So it's probably just the pers the perspective, but almost it almost looks like

[1:19:07] there's a.

[1:19:09] A platform at the, at the base of the.

[1:19:13] White area of that building.

[1:19:15] And I'm assuming it's just.

[1:19:17] The way

[1:19:18] crown, because you'd have to have something around it, but yeah, you, you can

[1:19:22] see up on the top.

[1:19:24] I see those are balcony.

[1:19:26] Balconies, but yes, this is,

[1:19:28] I would suspect probably.

[1:19:30] A foot wide at the most.

[1:19:31] Okay.

[1:19:34] And I guess just from a personal.

[1:19:37] I just, I will say this.

[1:19:38] It.

[1:19:39] No bearing really on the approval of it, but I I'm just really disappointed

[1:19:43] that this doesn't sort of give a nod to the historical features.

[1:19:48] Features of the rest of our community.

[1:19:49] It just feels.

[1:19:50] Very modern and, and I'm not opposed to modern, but I, it, it just

[1:19:56] is.

[1:19:58] It's very boxy and

[1:20:01] it just doesn't have

[1:20:03] .

[1:20:04] Well, we have my opinion.

[1:20:04] It doesn't fight not, we, it doesn't, the architect had a foot, had a

[1:20:08] footprint to work with and I realize that I think it's gonna be a

[1:20:11] very at.

[1:20:12] Attractive building at the end of the day.

[1:20:13] What do.

[1:20:14] Well, here's my comment.

[1:20:16] How do you think blue ribbon cleaners look when it was built?

[1:20:19] Well, it's smaller for one thing,

[1:20:21] but it's fifties.

[1:20:22] It's shorter.

[1:20:23] Now, but it's, so this is the two thousands.

[1:20:24] Okay.

[1:20:25] I mean, that's what I agree.

[1:20:26] Well, as, as I said, it's the first don't agree opinion.

[1:20:28] It's not, it's just my thought on the building.

[1:20:31] And no, I know I'm just

[1:20:33] for what it's worth.

[1:20:34] And I.

[1:20:35] And I think the other thing that bothers me and.

[1:20:39] Is that there really isn't anything.

[1:20:41] Around it.

[1:20:42] That's that's.

[1:20:45] And I hate to compare it to another building that's in this general vicinity

[1:20:49] but it's a fairly, there's another building.

[1:20:52] In a neighboring lot that doesn't have.

[1:20:55] It's the road and the side of the building.

[1:20:57] It's, it's very abrupt.

[1:21:00] And it doesn't have any, doesn't have flower pots.

[1:21:03] It doesn't have any green of any kind.

[1:21:06] And it just it's unappealing.

[1:21:07] And I just feel like this is.

[1:21:10] Kind of does the same thing.

[1:21:11] It just, yeah, it's fine.

[1:21:16] It's the side of the building and right down to the pavement, there aren'tany.

[1:21:17] There aren't any

[1:21:19] flower boxes.

[1:21:20] There's nothing to.

[1:21:22] Kind of make it look more inviting and I, I don't know if that's

[1:21:25] something that can be done.

[1:21:28] At some point, even after this gets approved.

[1:21:31] Oh, they, they may choose to put some

[1:21:33] like planting barrels down there, which would have to come.

[1:21:36] Inside during winter months, if they're using.

[1:21:38] It looks like you have one on the side.

[1:21:41] Of where the door goes.

[1:21:42] Yeah.

[1:21:42] And then obviously one in the front against.

[1:21:46] Portsmouth avenue,

[1:21:47] which is, which is a wider green space with the plantings.

[1:21:50] Yeah.

[1:21:50] Oh, that's right up next to the road, but not the next building.

[1:21:53] Yeah, no, not next to the.

[1:21:54] Building Gwen, because that's what I know it is where we use the pervious

[1:21:57] papers, right.

[1:21:58] To collect the stormwater.

[1:21:59] Right, right.

[1:21:59] And provide stormwater treatment for the property.

[1:22:01] It's just, again,

[1:22:02] it's just a comment

[1:22:04] and being.

[1:22:06] Just felt a need to.

[1:22:09] And I've heard other people express concerns about it, not on the board, but

[1:22:09] Explain.

[1:22:13] other people who have seen the plan, but.

[1:22:16] Yeah, that's it.

[1:22:20] I think we should look at the.

[1:22:23] Waiver request.

[1:22:25] Is this set back.

[1:22:27] Yep.

[1:22:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman,

[1:22:28] we respectfully.

[1:22:30] Request a waiver to the town site plan, review and subdivision regulations.

[1:22:34] Section 9.3 0.6 0.4, which restricts grading within five feet of any exterior property

[1:22:40] line.

[1:22:41] We feel the waiver is justified.

[1:22:44] As the proposed design provides adequate space to work between the proposed disturbance and

[1:22:49] the property line.

[1:22:50] Therefore granting of the waiver will not, detriment will not be detrimental.

[1:22:55] To public safety, health, or welfare.

[1:22:57] Nor could it be deemed injurious to other property?

[1:23:01] The conditions upon which this request is made.

[1:23:04] Are expressly due to the fact that the proposed building being proposed.

[1:23:09] In the same location as the existing.

[1:23:11] Which is closer than five feet to the, to the property line.

[1:23:15] The existing building driveway.

[1:23:17] Et cetera are all within five feet of existing parcel boundaries.

[1:23:21] And this is unique to the parcel.

[1:23:24] And the proposal does not generally, which is not generally applicable to other properties

[1:23:30] Due to the location of the existing features as referenced above, it would be

[1:23:34] impossible to improve this site without such encroachment.

[1:23:38] This would result in the hardship.

[1:23:40] If the strict letter of the regulations is carried out, as it would be

[1:23:43] illogical to implement this rule on the current layout.

[1:23:47] Of this parcel,

[1:23:48] given the current layout of this parcel, excuse me, care will be taken to

[1:23:51] ensure no disturbance.

[1:23:53] On the abutting pars parcels, unless.

[1:23:56] Authorized by the abutting parcel owners.

[1:23:58] The waiver would not be contrary to spirit and 10 of the regulations.

[1:24:02] As the proposed development will result in adequate width for construction to take place

[1:24:07] Without causing harm to a buddy property.

[1:24:10] And finally the proposed waiver

[1:24:12] does not propose to vary the provisions of the zoning ordinance or master plan

[1:24:17] This is demo.

[1:24:18] Demonstrated by the facts cited above as well as the fact that no structures

[1:24:22] are to be located within five feet of the property line.

[1:24:25] No news structures.

[1:24:26] Excuse me.

[1:24:30] Okay.

[1:24:37] Mr Sharples.

[1:24:37] Do you have any like suggested conditions?

[1:24:40] We're good right on the waivers?

[1:24:41] No. Yep. Just wanted to make sure, cuz we don't have that here.

[1:24:44] Either.

[1:24:45] I'm going to try to make a question.

[1:24:46] Oh, okay.

[1:24:47] Now the waiver motions either.

[1:24:49] No.

[1:24:52] Yeah, that I did get that.

[1:24:54] Okay.

[1:24:54] So I moved.

[1:24:56] Moved

[1:24:57] to waive.

[1:24:58] The setback per

[1:25:00] 9.3 0.6 0.4.

[1:25:04] For planning board case number 26 dash three.

[1:25:07] Be approved.

[1:25:09] I'll second.

[1:25:11] Moved and seconded.

[1:25:13] So we'll do a hand vote again.

[1:25:16] Those in favor, please indicate by raising your right hand.

[1:25:19] Those opposed.

[1:25:21] Pensions the aye.

[1:25:22] Have it.

[1:25:23] That's all set.

[1:25:28] Now

[1:25:29] was another

[1:25:34] was another waiver that request you had?

[1:25:36] I don't think so.

[1:25:38] No. We've we've.

[1:25:39] Come to the determination that after our lighting crew went through, or our lighting

[1:25:42] engineers went through and corrected that it is no longer required.

[1:25:46] Required.Alright.

[1:25:46] And we didn't need one for.

[1:25:49] Loading zone.

[1:25:51] That's what we did talk about that at the last meeting, but

[1:25:56] I don't know, was it the hotel?

[1:25:58] Yeah.

[1:25:59] Yes, it was.

[1:26:00] Okay.

[1:26:00] Thank you for changing this.

[1:26:01] Yeah, that was the hotel.

[1:26:02] Yeah.

[1:26:02] Just making sure.

[1:26:10] So Dave, have you got your.

[1:26:12] Conditions.

[1:26:13] You're usually

[1:26:15] yeah, you ready?

[1:26:17] Can we have, I have like a couple, we got a couple other questions

[1:26:20] discussion items.

[1:26:21] Go ahead.

[1:26:21] I can bring it back to the board.

[1:26:22] Just potential conditions.

[1:26:24] So actually,

[1:26:25] one is just more of a question for Mr. Sharples.

[1:26:27] If I can ask that.

[1:26:28] So.

[1:26:29] The, the commercial is being listed as professional and.

[1:26:34] Retail.

[1:26:35] So does that mean, like, it can't be a restaurant.

[1:26:41] Or

[1:26:42] coffee shop.

[1:26:43] Yeah, I'll, I'll defer the Alan, but you know, if you put a restaurant

[1:26:47] in there, you know, you're probably gonna bump up against the part.

[1:26:50] Part you're not gonna have enough parking, right?

[1:26:51] So this is this approval.

[1:26:53] Like with this amount of parking is only the amount of parking for.

[1:26:57] Whatever is allowed under the zoning that doesn't trigger additional.

[1:27:00] Per, you know, like anything that's I would say anything's allowed under the zoning

[1:27:03] ordinance.

[1:27:04] Yeah.

[1:27:05] That they don't exceed anything.

[1:27:06] Would.

[1:27:08] Would go, could go in there.

[1:27:09] Yeah.

[1:27:09] But if so, so could I just follow up on your question if.

[1:27:13] If we determined that the.

[1:27:16] Pedestrian and traffic.

[1:27:18] Interaction was a problematic in that front lot.

[1:27:21] If

[1:27:22] a high turnover

[1:27:24] coffee shop goes in there.

[1:27:25] Mm-hmm .

[1:27:27] Can we

[1:27:28] set as a condition that a high turnover coffee shop cannot go in.

[1:27:33] Well, I

[1:27:35] I wouldn't really suggest that if you were saying something like that, I would

[1:27:38] suggest, you know,

[1:27:39] you know, something you return to the board for, you know, like, I don't

[1:27:42] know, but like what, what, gimme a scenario.

[1:27:45] Work that out though.

[1:27:45] I'd like a little more discussion on that because like, what is unsafe about

[1:27:49] the parking lot?

[1:27:50] Because, okay.

[1:27:51] Say you, you know, a car comes in and.

[1:27:54] You know, every 15 minutes or a car comes in every hour.

[1:27:57] What's the difference?

[1:27:58] What is the concern here?

[1:28:00] You know, what are the specifics?

[1:28:01] I I'd want the, if you want, I could go through it.

[1:28:03] I mean, I, no, no. I think that's what you would.

[1:28:05] Want to, you would want to justify that in a conversation before you made

[1:28:09] a condition of approval with that, like outline your concern.

[1:28:12] That's what I would suggest.

[1:28:13] Okay.

[1:28:14] And see if the applicant can, maybe the applicant could do something on a

[1:28:17] remedy.

[1:28:18] It, so.

[1:28:19] Okay.

[1:28:19] I mean, I think whether I know this is a, a change use, but

[1:28:22] we had this discussion.

[1:28:24] At one of the prior meetings.

[1:28:25] So

[1:28:26] I can, I could go through it again if you want.

[1:28:28] Yeah.

[1:28:28] I, I wasn't here during those.

[1:28:29] Yeah.

[1:28:30] So, so, but, but also, you know, you asked me.

[1:28:33] A question and maybe, and I know you closed the public hearing.

[1:28:36] You might want to reopen it so the applicant could speak or anyone could

[1:28:40] speak on those limited issues that we're discussing.

[1:28:42] Yep.

[1:28:43] So, I guess before we do that though, like, so.

[1:28:46] Just cause I don't have like the zoning.

[1:28:48] Chart in front of me.

[1:28:49] So.

[1:28:50] Parking requirements for

[1:28:53] retail versus isn't there like a specific parking requirement for like,

[1:28:58] a a food establishment, like it's by seats.

[1:29:01] Yeah.

[1:29:01] Versus

[1:29:02] by square footage.

[1:29:03] Yeah.

[1:29:04] Retail's like one space for every 300.

[1:29:06] So if it became.

[1:29:07] Like a coffee shop.

[1:29:07] We'd have to go buy like number of seats, correct.

[1:29:10] Okay.

[1:29:10] Yeah.

[1:29:11] You'd have to go buy the parking and then if it exceeds, exceeds the

[1:29:13] 24, if the.

[1:29:15] Use goes in there, you limit the use by limiting the parking.

[1:29:18] So yeah.

[1:29:19] You know, if, if I guess that was my question, that was kind of

[1:29:21] the answer to my question.

[1:29:22] At least if you wanna.

[1:29:23] Open up them, but, but, but the problem, well, the problem, the issue here

[1:29:27] is they have parking.

[1:29:29] They have an easement, they can pocket it park next door.

[1:29:31] They can.

[1:29:32] Park at the bank.

[1:29:32] So the parking.

[1:29:34] It's the we'll work itself out

[1:29:35] that won't stop the zoning they have, they can, they can park at banks

[1:29:39] parking lot.

[1:29:40] That's the issue.

[1:29:40] Could I address that?

[1:29:41] Mr. Chair?

[1:29:42] Yes.

[1:29:42] Just quickly.

[1:29:42] Yes.

[1:29:43] Hold on.

[1:29:43] I'd suggest you reopen, you're reopen that for your comments specifically to the stop

[1:29:48] I guess.

[1:29:48] Thank you.

[1:29:49] And, and just so I'd reopen.

[1:29:50] It to anybody who wants to speak on those issues.

[1:29:52] Sure.

[1:29:53] Great.

[1:29:53] Thank you to address it.

[1:29:55] So.

[1:29:56] The parking is limited.

[1:29:58] In the ordinance already.

[1:30:01] By each use, right?

[1:30:02] So we're suggesting a commercial use.

[1:30:05] On the ground floor

[1:30:06] who don't know what tenant.

[1:30:09] May or may not be interested in that space right now.

[1:30:12] If it were to switch to a restaurant.

[1:30:14] I think it's

[1:30:16] not, it's a misnomer, the parking for the lot.

[1:30:20] Has to be calculated on the lot.

[1:30:22] It's not being calculated offsite.

[1:30:25] We've established that.

[1:30:26] So

[1:30:28] if there was a change in use.

[1:30:30] The applicant and there was a parking implication to that.

[1:30:32] Your ordinance already.

[1:30:34] Provides the rubric that we would need to work under.

[1:30:38] So,

[1:30:39] and there's, we don't have a definition of a high.

[1:30:42] Intensity

[1:30:43] use coffee shop.

[1:30:44] So.

[1:30:45] There is restaurant,

[1:30:46] right?

[1:30:47] And there's a parking calculation provided for that.

[1:30:51] So

[1:30:52] we're calculating the parking.

[1:30:54] With under the zoning ordinance.

[1:30:56] If there's a chance of use the applicant or an owner would be compelled

[1:30:59] to come back here.

[1:31:00] To try to address that use.

[1:31:02] And in this scenario, unless something drastically changes in the zoning ordinance.

[1:31:08] There's they're simply not going to be able to permit.

[1:31:11] That use

[1:31:12] right.

[1:31:14] We, we went through that kind of rigmarole before here.

[1:31:18] So we're just asking that we permit.

[1:31:21] The commercial, we have commercial space on the first floor

[1:31:23] we're complying with.

[1:31:25] The parking as defined by the ordinance and the state RSA.

[1:31:29] So if there's a change, the applicant has to come.

[1:31:32] I always laugh when there's that condition of, well, you must comply with, with

[1:31:34] the Ben zoning ordinance, because that is a given.

[1:31:37] The applicant would've to come back.

[1:31:40] So

[1:31:41] it's well defined in this ordinance.

[1:31:42] I, I don't think it's necessary in any way to further define it.

[1:31:47] Given what the ordinance provides and that's the, that would be the normative way

[1:31:51] to address.

[1:31:53] This exact issue, the ordinance provides that there's no need to have a further

[1:31:57] condition.

[1:31:58] That would be.

[1:31:59] Pretty arduous

[1:32:00] and somewhat inequitable.

[1:32:03] In a situation like this, the ordinances, the definition.

[1:32:06] And here

[1:32:07] it would be highly.

[1:32:09] Unlikely based on those calculations.

[1:32:11] That that the particular use in question would be.

[1:32:15] Permanent here.

[1:32:17] So the, the op an applicant would've to come back for that.

[1:32:21] And it's unlikely that that would actually work here given the size and spacing

[1:32:25] on the slot.

[1:32:28] And to give you an example, it would be a 12 seat restaurant.

[1:32:31] yeah, that that's all that would be allowed.

[1:32:34] So.

[1:32:35] In in the entire bottom floor, the, the, restaurant's not my concern.

[1:32:39] It's a, it's a high turn of a coffee shop.

[1:32:42] Come in,

[1:32:43] grab your coffee.

[1:32:44] And, you know, a bagel and head out that's how you can traffic.

[1:32:49] That's that it's a completely different, let's see situation than any other.

[1:32:52] Type of use that would go in there, but it's not defined within the

[1:32:55] ordinance.

[1:32:56] So we'd be making up a use and then making up a definition.

[1:33:00] Absent, either a warrant article, or an amendment to the ordinance by this board

[1:33:06] Which is illegal.

[1:33:10] I, I hate to be that guy, but I am the lawyer sitting in

[1:33:12] the room.

[1:33:12] Right.

[1:33:12] So Todd's here and he can fight with me about this.

[1:33:15] I know it's an unsatisfactory.

[1:33:16] Unsatisfactory answer, but there is a rote process.

[1:33:20] For that kind of change, especially to a definition.

[1:33:23] And or a calculation or some formula that's in the ordinance.

[1:33:27] We can't just ad hoc.

[1:33:29] Hoc make them up.

[1:33:31] Even though you are an expert in this field.

[1:33:33] You're not sitting here as an expert tonight.

[1:33:35] So we can't just make that up and then ratify it somehow tonight with

[1:33:38] a condition.

[1:33:40] It's not how it works.

[1:33:42] Respectfully

[1:33:46] I

[1:33:47] Todd Fay again, Needham bank.

[1:33:50] I think the sport has every right to have sufficient.

[1:33:53] Information to understand what's gonna happen on this site to apply your subdivision.

[1:33:59] Your site plan approvals.

[1:34:01] Approvals to what happens here.

[1:34:02] And so the, the, the challenge I'm having is.

[1:34:07] You don't want to be in a situation of approving something that unwittingly will

[1:34:11] be contrary if implemented to your, to.

[1:34:14] Your to your own.

[1:34:16] Regulatory scheme.

[1:34:17] Right.

[1:34:18] It's really important.

[1:34:19] And you've worked really hard.

[1:34:20] We spent a lot of hours on this.

[1:34:22] So respectfully to my colleague.

[1:34:26] You do have a right to understand what's gonna happen.

[1:34:29] So.

[1:34:30] This can't just be an open-ended situation.

[1:34:32] And then we don't really know what's gonna happen.

[1:34:35] And

[1:34:36] I, I just think.

[1:34:37] There needs to be a little bit of clarity.

[1:34:39] And if there were a little more clarity, I think maybe we could all

[1:34:42] be in a different spot here, but there's not.

[1:34:44] And, and respectfully, I.

[1:34:45] Know, these folks have worked hard to get this project permitted.

[1:34:50] I still think they're trying to do a lot on a small lot,

[1:34:53] obviously.

[1:34:54] But, you know, the it's gone through a lot of iterations.

[1:34:58] But I do think we need to those issues of traffic flow and pedestrian

[1:35:02] safety.

[1:35:03] Are are just, are writ large in your ordinance and nothing.

[1:35:07] Deprives you

[1:35:08] or prevents you.

[1:35:09] From from issuing an approval.

[1:35:11] If that'd be your per your decision tonight.

[1:35:14] To to ensure that those, that there's gonna be some fidelity to those provisions

[1:35:17] right.

[1:35:18] That's what this town needs and wants.

[1:35:20] And that's your obligation.

[1:35:21] That's.

[1:35:22] That's my comment.

[1:35:22] Thank you.

[1:35:23] Thank you.

[1:35:25] Can I rebut that as the applicant?

[1:35:26] Mm-hmm please.

[1:35:29] So I'm looking at section 5.6 0.6.

[1:35:33] In the zoning ordinance.

[1:35:35] Restaurants bars nightclubs.

[1:35:38] Nightclubs of Wich golf shop would fall into.

[1:35:40] And it's one for each three seats, and then there's an employee component to

[1:35:44] that.

[1:35:45] So I, I agree with Todd, we have every right to have as much

[1:35:48] info.

[1:35:48] We we're providing all of the information that we're compelled to you.

[1:35:51] Plus more, we are trying to comply.

[1:35:54] And we have been trying to comply with the parking ordinance.

[1:35:56] It would be highly unlikely.

[1:35:59] That a 12 seat coffee shop would go into the entire first floor of

[1:36:02] that building.

[1:36:04] And if it did, it would need to comply with the parameters in the

[1:36:08] ordinance.

[1:36:08] So I, I'm not arguing about.

[1:36:11] Trying to provide as much information or that you have the right to ask

[1:36:13] us any question that you want really.

[1:36:16] And we're happy to answer.

[1:36:18] 'em.

[1:36:20] For what I'm arguing against is creating an ad hoc regulation with a condition

[1:36:24] that is irrelevant.

[1:36:26] Irrelevant because a change of use.

[1:36:28] Would require an applicant to come back before this board.

[1:36:32] And to comply with the ordinance.

[1:36:34] In that moment as it's drafted.

[1:36:37] And I think that that's,

[1:36:38] again, the rote way that this should operate.

[1:36:42] Or does operate in my experience in the state.

[1:36:44] So

[1:36:46] we're proposing or we did the parking calculations.

[1:36:49] Using professional office and retail.

[1:36:51] Those are the most likely uses here

[1:36:53] for changes.

[1:36:55] Changes

[1:36:55] Mr. Kelly or another owner would have to come back before this board.

[1:37:00] And comply with the calculation, but writing a new calculation for a use.

[1:37:03] That's not in the ordinance.

[1:37:05] Is not something that I think would be a great idea in this moment

[1:37:10] So that's all I have.

[1:37:13] Can I ask?

[1:37:14] Oh,

[1:37:15] can I add just, just on the follow-up that like is, you know,

[1:37:18] I don't disagree with anyone in theory what people say, but if, if you're

[1:37:21] saying like, I need to know.

[1:37:23] What's going in there.

[1:37:24] Mm-hmm then you've never done that as a board, since I've been here

[1:37:28] you've approved.

[1:37:29] Multiple commercial spaces.

[1:37:32] That you did not know the use and the guardrails, if you will, are

[1:37:35] the zoning ordinance.

[1:37:37] So, I mean, there's numerous ones.

[1:37:39] I mean the, the, the one in front of gateway, the one in front

[1:37:42] of McKay, I mean, list goes odd.

[1:37:44] There's there's numerous ones.

[1:37:45] Ones on Portsmouth Ave and

[1:37:47] the one you just did next to thirsty moose had commercial space, but the

[1:37:51] uses in identified.

[1:37:52] But the use uses are identified in the zoning that's that's, what's allowed.

[1:37:58] So that would be, if you start going down that road, it's something that

[1:38:01] you, you know, I, I, I have not seen you.

[1:38:04] Mm-hmm sorry, you know, requiring what what's going in there.

[1:38:07] You've never done that before.

[1:38:08] No.

[1:38:12] Okay, let me next thing that what makes.

[1:38:15] Let me bring it back to the board again.

[1:38:16] I'm sorry.

[1:38:17] I'm sorry.

[1:38:17] Oh, go ahead, Jack.

[1:38:18] Go ahead.

[1:38:19] Chris,

[1:38:22] and I shouldn't put words into your mouth, but I'm thinking what makes you

[1:38:26] nervous?

[1:38:26] What makes me nervous?

[1:38:28] Is just the, whether

[1:38:30] a person is walking from.

[1:38:32] The new eye eyesight place through.

[1:38:36] The Plaza to this building or.

[1:38:39] Whether they're driving and parking and it's the pedestrian, it's the pedestrian crossings of

[1:38:45] these roads that makes.

[1:38:47] Me nervous and that will happen.

[1:38:50] Potentially with whatever goes in and there's nothing we can when we can't regulate

[1:38:56] The number of people going in and out of that building, that's not.

[1:39:00] Something we can do.

[1:39:00] It's not something, you know, in advance, but I think the pedestrian safety.

[1:39:06] Continues to be

[1:39:07] a big concern.

[1:39:09] For me and I don't.

[1:39:11] Don't, I don't know how to address that.

[1:39:14] I mean, just in, but I may be, I may be misinterpreting partly what

[1:39:18] you're saying in my.

[1:39:20] Mind

[1:39:20] the, the

[1:39:22] problem is how tight that.

[1:39:25] That those parking spaces are in front.

[1:39:27] And a high turnover.

[1:39:29] Coffee shop

[1:39:30] the volume of traffic that'll be generated.

[1:39:33] Will will will mean you have cars coming in, pulling in.

[1:39:37] Pulling out every few minutes.

[1:39:40] And you're gonna have parking.

[1:39:42] That's gonna be happening at the bank.

[1:39:44] And I,

[1:39:46] I'm not concerned about the parking.

[1:39:47] There's plenty of parking spaces out there.

[1:39:48] Mm-hmm the fact is though, because they're gonna be parking over there.

[1:39:52] Pedestrians are gonna be walking.

[1:39:54] Across.

[1:39:55] And when in that tight parking area where people will be pulling out and

[1:39:58] backing out

[1:39:59] that's the issue and any other type of retail.

[1:40:03] Use out there.

[1:40:05] It wouldn't have it to that extreme.

[1:40:06] It's not perfect, but it would be fine.

[1:40:08] Mm-hmm but the, in my mind,

[1:40:11] the one use that will cause that problem.

[1:40:14] Will be

[1:40:15] a, a high turnover coffee shop.

[1:40:18] And if they could tell us, they're not gonna put that in.

[1:40:20] I I'd be fine.

[1:40:22] But if, if they can't tell us that.

[1:40:25] I still have that concern.

[1:40:27] I mean, I think what I was hearing is that.

[1:40:29] They, they can't put that in without.

[1:40:31] Going back to zoning.

[1:40:32] I

[1:40:33] I'd like some confirmation on that.

[1:40:36] Is that true?

[1:40:37] Well, it's a restaurant, so it is allowed in the zone

[1:40:40] so that they can put, but it a restaurant.

[1:40:43] So you take.

[1:40:44] 24 spots you got right.

[1:40:46] 26 0 26.

[1:40:48] I'm sorry.

[1:40:49] So, so you have, so you have

[1:40:51] 12 for the units cuz the state law, the new state law says you

[1:40:54] need.

[1:40:54] One spot for every residential unit mm-hmm .

[1:40:56] So that leaves 14.

[1:40:58] You need one, you need one parking spot for every three seats.

[1:41:02] Seats.

[1:41:02] So you'd need, you could get four.

[1:41:06] You get four, three seats.

[1:41:07] So 12 seat restaurant.

[1:41:10] But then that's it.

[1:41:10] You couldn't use any of the rest of the space down there, so you

[1:41:13] would, I, I, I don't know how it would happen.

[1:41:16] My, my concern is not the parking.

[1:41:18] Demand based on seats, a high turnover coffee shop.

[1:41:22] That was in there could have.

[1:41:24] Five seats and it will still generate a lot of traffic because people were

[1:41:27] going up to the counter.

[1:41:29] Grabbing their bagel, grabbing their coffee and running out.

[1:41:32] That's what generates the traffic.

[1:41:33] It's not the seats.

[1:41:35] Seats.

[1:41:35] I understand that, but that's what our zoning says.

[1:41:37] We have to go by our zoning.

[1:41:38] Okay.

[1:41:38] I, I, I mean, I do you like, I, I don't really know what

[1:41:42] you're saying here.

[1:41:43] Do you.

[1:41:44] I guess then

[1:41:46] if the con, so Marty, if, if I'm hearing you right, the concern, your

[1:41:49] concern is.

[1:41:51] Independent of parking.

[1:41:52] It's just

[1:41:54] turnover of that location.

[1:41:56] Is that what I'm hearing?

[1:41:56] It's the interaction between traffic.

[1:41:58] Coming in coming out quick turnaround and pedestrians walking across the parking water, that

[1:42:03] activity on this space on this lot.

[1:42:06] Is there some.

[1:42:07] Traffic engineering solutions that could be used.

[1:42:10] To mitigate that concern or possibly to mitigate that.

[1:42:13] Impact or interaction.

[1:42:16] I know it's a narrow lot and it's.

[1:42:19] It's scope really just to the parking.

[1:42:21] In front of it, we don't have any.

[1:42:23] Say over the existing.

[1:42:25] Private roadways in there, but.

[1:42:28] A speed tables.

[1:42:30] Tables adjustments to turning the painted islands into curb.

[1:42:32] So that there's a.

[1:42:34] More

[1:42:36] or

[1:42:38] friction to the driver going through that area.

[1:42:41] When there's potential.

[1:42:43] Pedestrian

[1:42:44] volume.

[1:42:47] So I think that might be, we have lots of high turnover.

[1:42:52] Places in town.

[1:42:56] And, you know, there's always PO possibly issues, but these problems can be solved

[1:43:00] in an engineering way.

[1:43:02] Possibly, I don't know how to solve that.

[1:43:04] Of course.

[1:43:04] But.

[1:43:06] It seems like something that could be.

[1:43:09] Considered

[1:43:11] in lieu of saying in lieu of creating a.

[1:43:14] Condition that may not be enforceable in any way.

[1:43:20] Problem is that a lot of the mitigation would occur on.

[1:43:24] Someone else, someone else's property.

[1:43:25] Yeah.

[1:43:26] I mean, looking at this, the spot I see is the painted islands turning

[1:43:29] into.

[1:43:32] Curbed, but I don't know if from a traffic engineering standpoint, if that's enough

[1:43:35] to be impactful.

[1:43:37] And

[1:43:38] resolve any potential issues.

[1:43:40] Yeah.

[1:43:40] I mean, that is the challenge that this is crossing.

[1:43:44] A space that is owned by many people.

[1:43:47] And

[1:43:48] not in scope for this discussion.

[1:43:50] Yeah.

[1:43:50] Well, at the same token,

[1:43:52] anybody right in the right mind, wants to have a coffee shop to do

[1:43:56] that kind of traffic.

[1:43:57] And they look at the situation.

[1:43:59] That's not gonna work.

[1:44:00] They're not gonna have the customers.

[1:44:01] They need to pay for the coffee to pay for the rent.

[1:44:04] I just, we're trying to rub a crystal ball here and we don't know

[1:44:07] what's gonna happen down there.

[1:44:08] Maybe they're gonna have.

[1:44:10] Hot coffee, right in a hose.

[1:44:11] And you drive down and stop and fill your cup and drive on.

[1:44:14] Who knows?

[1:44:14] I would go there.

[1:44:16] Just, I would think we're trying to predict the.

[1:44:18] Future here and we're spending too much time on it.

[1:44:21] Yeah, really do I think.

[1:44:23] Dave gives me the, the confidence that we have the zoning for the, the

[1:44:27] right purpose.

[1:44:28] And I just don't think I'm going to try to put a coffee shop

[1:44:30] there.

[1:44:32] Cuz I I've gotta spell, send a spell, sell a lot of donuts and

[1:44:36] coffee.

[1:44:37] To pay the freight

[1:44:38] and if nobody's coming in, because it's so hard to get in and out

[1:44:42] Or that we're there once and they backed into somebody.

[1:44:44] Like somebody did the other day now at.

[1:44:47] Mo's right through the door.

[1:44:49] .

[1:44:50] It's Holly, they're waiting for the insurance to come through, to fix the door

[1:44:54] So at they had all the room of the world there.

[1:44:55] They've got back into the door.

[1:44:57] So those things happen.

[1:44:59] But, you know, I just think that.

[1:45:06] The plan speaks for itself in terms of.

[1:45:08] Flexibility and what can happen there?

[1:45:12] And

[1:45:14] there's all kinds of businesses that are certainly, I think could.

[1:45:16] Use that kind of space.

[1:45:20] Oh, that's where I stand on it anyway.

[1:45:22] Yeah, I think I agree.

[1:45:23] I think the zoning.

[1:45:25] I feel pretty comfortable that the zoning.

[1:45:27] Yeah, regulations will limit sort of what can happen there as well as the

[1:45:32] just the site constraints.

[1:45:33] So I, I personally feel satisfied with.

[1:45:36] My original question that I think brought this all up.

[1:45:38] .

[1:45:43] Okay, can we move on or do you, you guys okay.

[1:45:47] I said my piece.

[1:45:49] And are we ready for, I, sorry, I had one more.

[1:45:52] I had two things.

[1:45:52] Oh, that's right.

[1:45:53] I have to check with you first.

[1:45:54] Two things.

[1:45:54] Sorry.

[1:45:56] I just wanted to discuss this and I don't wanna take up too much

[1:45:59] time.

[1:46:00] Again, but

[1:46:01] because this is one of the first.

[1:46:05] Applications that the BIS bicycle infrastructure would apply to.

[1:46:10] And, you know, I had to look up what we.

[1:46:13] A section 8.7 0.9, the new.

[1:46:16] Bike infrastructure regulation.

[1:46:18] It's it's super subjective.

[1:46:21] So the applicant, what I heard is the applicant is proposing.

[1:46:25] Temporary

[1:46:26] bike racks to be placed in grass.

[1:46:29] Ass seasonally.

[1:46:32] And

[1:46:34] in my opinion,

[1:46:36] that would not qualify as.

[1:46:38] Bicycle friendly design elements.

[1:46:41] Elements

[1:46:41] because

[1:46:43] number one, it's not gonna be their year round.

[1:46:45] Number two, it's gonna be on a grass surface.

[1:46:48] That is not great for parking a bike on.

[1:46:52] And

[1:46:53] number three.

[1:46:54] There's really nothing.

[1:46:56] In this application that's unless we add it as a condition, which I would

[1:47:00] recommend that we do.

[1:47:02] That that be installed and maintained.

[1:47:04] Or that be placed and maintained.

[1:47:07] So, I guess my proposal is that we, that we add a condition at

[1:47:11] the, at a minimum, at a condition that we.

[1:47:14] That the applicant

[1:47:17] place

[1:47:18] a bike rack seasonally.

[1:47:23] But personally, I prefer it be on pavement and.

[1:47:27] You know, be secure, be a piece of infrastructure.

[1:47:30] Mm-hmm .

[1:47:32] Almost doesn't make sense to put it on grass cause it's gonna get.

[1:47:35] Torn up.

[1:47:36] Yeah.

[1:47:36] How are you gonna mow the grass there?

[1:47:37] Bikes on it.

[1:47:38] Can't mow it.

[1:47:40] Very easily.

[1:47:41] Christian move the rack.

[1:47:43] Did we close

[1:47:44] again?

[1:47:45] Hmm, no, we okay.

[1:47:46] Good.

[1:47:50] I agree.

[1:47:50] Thank you.

[1:47:53] That's a reasonable condition.

[1:47:54] Okay.

[1:47:58] I think they're just looking at.

[1:48:00] Where they might put it.

[1:48:01] That's not on graph.

[1:48:08] Do you wanna open it back up for public comments so they can, would

[1:48:11] you like to speak again?

[1:48:12] Thank you, sir.

[1:48:13] .

[1:48:14] You're open to speak to me.

[1:48:15] Well, now I'm gonna have to go back and, and go back to the

[1:48:18] site plan, but.

[1:48:22] Now in, in speaking with Jeff, actually the area that, or one of the

[1:48:27] areas that.

[1:48:29] Marty was talking about specific to vehicular movement.

[1:48:35] If it pleases the board, we do have this location.

[1:48:39] And I think that is probably, I think that front sidewalk is eight feet

[1:48:43] wide.

[1:48:43] If I'm not mistaken.

[1:48:45] There could be a bike rack.

[1:48:47] Placed right there.

[1:48:48] That is paved.

[1:48:49] That is still proposed to be paved.

[1:48:51] And if that places the board, we will happily add that as a condition

[1:48:56] I still think they're gonna want to take it in the winter because that

[1:48:58] Calvin and I still.

[1:49:00] While.Good.

[1:49:01] It's still gonna rust.

[1:49:01] If you leave that out

[1:49:03] where they're spreading salt.

[1:49:10] I would say, just stay on that.

[1:49:12] The.

[1:49:13] In town at the Y also downtown there's.

[1:49:17] There's steel coated ones that are out all year round.

[1:49:19] And they've been out there for they're like embedded in the concrete they've been

[1:49:23] in there for.

[1:49:24] They probably knows eight years.

[1:49:26] Yeah.

[1:49:26] Eight years.

[1:49:26] I think I put 'em in 2018.

[1:49:28] Look good.

[1:49:29] So, yeah, there's.

[1:49:31] There's bill rust event.

[1:49:31] They starting new, but yeah, they'll 20 years.

[1:49:33] Yeah, exactly.

[1:49:33] So they run, but.

[1:49:36] So there are options there for.

[1:49:38] Solution, but that's fine.

[1:49:39] I mean, if they, you guys want it left out the entire winter, I

[1:49:42] don't know.

[1:49:42] Who's riding their bike here in the winter, but this guy mm-hmm oh, oh

[1:49:45] To this place people.

[1:49:45] Yeah.

[1:49:46] People.

[1:49:47] I see very rarely.

[1:49:48] And I drive, I drive 33 a lot.

[1:49:51] I do not see a hell of a lot of bikes on that road

[1:49:55] But

[1:49:55] whatever you guys want, it's fine.

[1:49:56] Yeah.

[1:49:57] We don't have any issue with that.

[1:49:58] Okay.

[1:50:00] Think that's good.

[1:50:01] Yeah.

[1:50:01] And keep in mind in the near future, Portsmouth avenue is gonna be.

[1:50:06] Redone mm-hmm it's it's in the CIP P so.

[1:50:10] It, it, it, the hope is that it's gonna be, are they putting in

[1:50:12] bike lanes?

[1:50:14] We haven't gotten there yet.

[1:50:15] Oh, okay.

[1:50:15] I'm just saying that it's coming so most likely, most likely I don't want

[1:50:20] most

[1:50:21] anything.

[1:50:22] But yeah, that's one of the few places idea is to.

[1:50:25] Do things like that.

[1:50:25] So, yeah.

[1:50:25] Yeah.

[1:50:26] No, I think that's great because.

[1:50:29] When I end up writing my bike down that road, I am fear for

[1:50:32] my life.

[1:50:34] Lot of carb cuts to work that one out.

[1:50:36] Yep.

[1:50:37] Okay close.

[1:50:38] Well, I, hold on.

[1:50:39] I would just suggest, you know, since you opened it for them, for that

[1:50:42] limited purpose of talking about the bike rack, I would suggest just.

[1:50:45] Offering it to the public, the rest of the public.

[1:50:47] If they want to talk about the bike rack issue, ride your bike, anybody

[1:50:51] How long mate, how long we keep it out.

[1:50:54] It's stationary like me.

[1:50:55] Mm-hmm .

[1:50:58] Public question again.

[1:51:00] So you, do you have your standard?

[1:51:04] Are you ready for him?

[1:51:05] I do have some suggested conditions of approval.

[1:51:07] I think so.

[1:51:09] We pretty much all the standard ones.

[1:51:11] Let me get 'em out here for the bike rack would be around and

[1:51:14] well, you're gonna have to add the bike rack.

[1:51:15] I hadn't put that one in there.

[1:51:16] Okay.

[1:51:17] Yep.

[1:51:18] An electronic as-built with details acceptable to the town shall be provided prior to

[1:51:22] the issuance of a certificate of occupancy.

[1:51:24] This plan must be in DW.

[1:51:25] DWG a DFX file format in and in a D 1983 state plan.

[1:51:30] New Hampshire F I P S 2,800 feet.

[1:51:31] Coordinates to a pre-construction meeting shall be arranged by the applicant and their contractor

[1:51:35] with the town engineer.

[1:51:37] Prior to any site work commencing the following must be submitted for review and

[1:51:41] approval prior to the meeting, the stormwater pollution prevention plan.

[1:51:45] If.

[1:51:45] Applicable and a project schedule and construction cost estimate.

[1:51:49] Three third party construction inspection fees shall be paid prior to scheduling the pre-construction

[1:51:53] meeting.

[1:51:55] For the annual operations and maintenance report in the stormwater operations and maintenance manual

[1:51:59] Shall be completed and submitted to the town engineer annually on or before January 31st

[1:52:04] This requirement shall be an ongoing condition of approval and included in the condominium

[1:52:08] documents.

[1:52:09] Five all comments in the review letters from Underwood engineers shall be.

[1:52:12] Addressed to the satisfaction of the town plan and the town planner.

[1:52:15] Town engineer or their designee prior to signing the final plans.

[1:52:18] Six all applicable state permit approval numbers.

[1:52:21] I don't believe there are any here, but this is.

[1:52:23] These are all our standard conditions of approval that we issue Shelby noted on

[1:52:27] the final plan seven, a restoration and erosion control surety in an amount.

[1:52:32] And form reviewed and approved by the town planner in accordance to section 12

[1:52:35] of the site plan review and subdivision regulations shall be provided prior to any

[1:52:38] site work eight, all.

[1:52:40] Appropriate fees to be paid, but in, but not limited to sewer, water, connection

[1:52:44] fees, impact fees and inspection fees, including third party inspections prior to the issuance

[1:52:48] of a.

[1:52:48] Certificate of occupancy nine, all landscape.

[1:52:52] Landscaping shown on plans shall be maintained in any dead or dying vegetation shall

[1:52:55] be replaced.

[1:52:57] Replaced no later than the following growing season, as long as the site plan

[1:52:59] remains valid.

[1:53:01] 10, all lighting, including security lights shall be down lit and shielded.

[1:53:04] So no direct light is visible from a adjacent properties or roadways.

[1:53:09] Roadways 11, no snow storage should be stored on plantings or planting areas shown

[1:53:13] on the plans.

[1:53:15] Plans except otherwise provided herein.

[1:53:17] Cuz you had talked about that.

[1:53:18] I'll add that nothing herein shall expand or contract any easement.

[1:53:23] Rights which any party may have regarding the subject property.

[1:53:27] The applicant shall 12, 13, the applicant shall submit.

[1:53:32] The land use and storm water management information about the project using the PTAP

[1:53:37] Online municipal tracking tool.

[1:53:39] The PTAP P submittal must be accepted by D P w prior to the

[1:53:41] pre-construction meeting.

[1:53:43] And finally the HOA document shall be submitted to the town planner for review

[1:53:48] and approval.

[1:53:49] In to determine compliance with the board's approval prior to signing the final plans

[1:53:53] at the town planner deems legal counsel review is necessary.

[1:53:56] It shall.

[1:53:57] Be at the applicant's expense.

[1:53:59] I don't foresee that.

[1:54:00] And usually that does not happen, but we always put that in a condition

[1:54:03] saying if I read it, it's like, ah, I gotta.

[1:54:05] Kick it to municipal group.

[1:54:07] They usually, you know, the, the applicant will fund that escrow counter

[1:54:11] complete that review.

[1:54:13] Thank you.

[1:54:13] And can I

[1:54:14] suggest a bicycle rack?

[1:54:16] Yes.

[1:54:16] Yeah,

[1:54:17] a bicycle rack located on the eight foot sidewalk in front of the building

[1:54:20] shall be.

[1:54:21] Permanently installed on pavement and shall be noted on the final plans.

[1:54:25] Plans as year round.

[1:54:26] Did you say anything?

[1:54:27] I said permanently installed permanently fine.

[1:54:29] As long that that's.

[1:54:31] That's okay.

[1:54:32] And one EV charging station will be moved from its current site to.

[1:54:38] Oh, yeah,

[1:54:40] a site.

[1:54:41] Did you, did you think that in the, on the purpose favors.

[1:54:46] Favors somewhere on the pavement.

[1:54:48] Yes.

[1:54:48] Okay.

[1:54:49] That, that would make the most sense.

[1:54:50] Are you actually, so our regs require EV charging read.

[1:54:54] Readiness.

[1:54:54] They don't require charging.

[1:54:56] They just write, go.

[1:54:57] So you're but you're actually putting in pedestals.

[1:55:00] No. Or a conduit. Oh, okay. So the.

[1:55:02] Conduit's going there.

[1:55:03] I just wanted to be clear the court, the court's comment you did said

[1:55:07] I conduit.

[1:55:08] I thought they were putting the into, so.

[1:55:11] Okay.

[1:55:11] And where we going to requested a tree get planted?

[1:55:14] Yeah.

[1:55:16] Additional tree planted on the.

[1:55:20] Northwestern.

[1:55:23] Lawn space adjacent to force with a.

[1:55:26] Can I add a comment to that, or just a request that we don't

[1:55:29] obstruct.

[1:55:30] So as not to obstruct neighboring signage mm-hmm .

[1:55:32] Yes.

[1:55:33] So.

[1:55:34] It's not to obstruct

[1:55:35] neighboring signage.

[1:55:36] Thank you.

[1:55:36] Yeah.

[1:55:38] And I have a question, Dave.

[1:55:41] On on the July 10th, 2 25.

[1:55:45] Notes from the conservation commission.

[1:55:47] And this probably should have been with the Shoreland.

[1:55:51] Well, Shoreland conditional use permit, but they noted that the soils located around and

[1:55:57] under the existing buildings.

[1:55:59] Buildings are tested for contamination after building removal.

[1:56:02] And shown to be in line with state requirements.

[1:56:05] I read that.

[1:56:06] And the other one in, did you read that?

[1:56:07] Yeah, I read it in the record and you approved the conditional use permit

[1:56:10] with.

[1:56:11] Those two conditions.

[1:56:11] Okay.

[1:56:11] All right.

[1:56:11] Without the other one is in there.

[1:56:13] Yep.

[1:56:13] You're all set monitoring.

[1:56:14] Well, that's in there.

[1:56:15] Yep.

[1:56:15] Okay.

[1:56:16] The monitoring well located on size decommission.

[1:56:18] Thank you.

[1:56:18] Yep.

[1:56:18] You.

[1:56:19] Already approved that.

[1:56:19] And I already made those conditions must have been napping.

[1:56:22] .

[1:56:23] Thank you.

[1:56:24] Okay.

[1:56:26] We all set.

[1:56:29] Ready.

[1:56:30] For vote for a motion.

[1:56:31] Sure.

[1:56:32] So I moved at the request of J Kaley associates, planning, board case number

[1:56:37] 26 dash three first site plate approval.

[1:56:40] B approved with the conditions as stated by our town planner, Mr. Sharples.

[1:56:45] Gender from Martel.

[1:56:47] Ryan Kelly.

[1:56:51] Do you need more than that?

[1:56:52] And the conduit Gwen.

[1:56:54] Gwen.

[1:56:54] Yeah.

[1:56:55] Oh, sorry.

[1:56:55] I missed end the condo conduit conduit and her Gwen.

[1:56:59] Gwen English.

[1:56:59] Mm-hmm I think I covered everyone.

[1:57:01] I think that's good.

[1:57:02] Yeah.

[1:57:02] Okay.

[1:57:04] I'll second, Jen.

[1:57:04] Okay, move just second.

[1:57:07] I

[1:57:08] okay.

[1:57:09] She did this.

[1:57:09] She beat you.

[1:57:11] Sorry.

[1:57:12] It's okay.

[1:57:14] She's closer to the chair now.

[1:57:15] So she's gotta be

[1:57:17] awake and alert.

[1:57:20] Okay.

[1:57:20] Now hand vote, please.

[1:57:21] Those in favor, please raise your right hand.

[1:57:26] 2 3, 4.

[1:57:28] 2 4, 5.

[1:57:29] Okay.

[1:57:29] And those opposed.

[1:57:32] One

[1:57:33] state

[1:57:36] okay.

[1:57:37] Motion carries.

[1:57:38] Thanks very much folks.

[1:57:40] Okay, thank you for being patient

[1:57:42] for working.

[1:57:47] And I told no,

[1:57:48] I know, but I have to.

[1:57:53] I know.

[1:57:54] Okay.

[1:57:54] We've got that.

[1:57:56] And then one more.

[1:57:59] Okay.

[1:57:59] So there

[1:58:04] thank you.

[1:58:04] I feel like it's already 10 30 or something.

[1:58:10] Thank you.

[1:58:10] Good night.

[1:58:11] Bye.

[1:58:18] Good night.

[1:58:25] Okay.

[1:58:42] To cycle.

[1:58:45] Do this one, right?

[1:58:46] Yeah.

[1:58:47] Wasn't there a PPA hearing.

[1:58:50] It's a continuance.

[1:58:51] No, it's a continuum.

[1:58:52] Okay.

[1:58:52] But do they need no, we haven't.

[1:58:54] Hold on.

[1:58:54] Yeah.

[1:58:55] Come here for a second.

[1:58:56] Yeah.

[1:58:57] They need to be continued again.

[1:58:59] P.

[1:59:00] E a

[1:59:01] yeah, until we can figure out they're they're.

[1:59:06] The ZBA.

[1:59:08] Decision was appealed to the housing board of appeals.

[1:59:11] Okay.

[1:59:11] So that's going to be tied up for, you know, I don't know,

[1:59:15] a while for months.

[1:59:18] So

[1:59:21] I would

[1:59:22] let me, I, I, I gotta talk with them to see what they want

[1:59:25] but, you know, they they'd like to continue.

[1:59:27] So if you could just continue it until the.

[1:59:30] September 10th meeting.

[1:59:30] They're not gonna be there then, but at least that'll give me time to

[1:59:33] talk with them to see, okay.

[1:59:35] When do we table it to a date?

[1:59:37] Certain.

[1:59:38] Later or what we do about it, because we might have to just.

[1:59:40] Pull it off the agenda temporarily and this, and just re-notice when it comes

[1:59:44] back.

[1:59:44] Yeah.

[1:59:44] Yep.

[1:59:45] But just give me a little time to talk to them first and just

[1:59:48] if you could table it.

[1:59:49] Till September 10th, that would be appreciated.

[1:59:52] Okay.

[1:59:53] I need a motion.

[1:59:54] I moved that we table.

[1:59:57] Planning board case number.

[1:59:59] I almost did this one.

[2:00:00] We just did.

[2:00:01] Sorry.

[2:00:02] Planning board case number.

[2:00:03] 26 dash seven.

[2:00:06] To our, what, what, September 10th, September 10th, September 10th, 2026.

[2:00:12] Meeting here in the Novak room.

[2:00:14] Second.

[2:00:15] We'll do second those in favor, please.

[2:00:17] And kept by saying aye.

[2:00:17] Aye.

[2:00:18] Aye.

[2:00:19] Opposed.

[2:00:19] Aye.

[2:00:20] ABT.

[2:00:21] It.Oh, abstentions what?

[2:00:22] That's nine, 10 mm-hmm think Sam's upstate.

[2:00:24] So.

[2:00:26] Oh, Sam's, it's not here a minute.

[2:00:28] sorry.

[2:00:30] All right.

[2:00:30] So

[2:00:34] the continuation of public hearing for the application of.

[2:00:38] The stone arch

[2:00:39] development, LLC, for a lot line adjustment and a minor subdivision and site plan

[2:00:44] review for the redevelopment of.

[2:00:46] Property located at five Brentwood drive.

[2:00:50] The redevelopment will consist of eight residential condominium units in a single family home

[2:00:55] of single family homes.

[2:00:57] Homes, the project includes new roadway.

[2:00:59] Underground utilities and drainage structures.

[2:01:02] Structures tax map 62, parcel number one 11.

[2:01:06] And planning based planning board case number 26, 11.

[2:01:11] Is that ready to be?

[2:01:12] No that's continuation.

[2:01:13] So we're already going through the first thing.

[2:01:15] Yep.

[2:01:16] Do you have some things here to start us off with Dave?

[2:01:20] Yes.

[2:01:20] Thank you.

[2:01:21] As you noted, the, this is a.

[2:01:24] Return.This was

[2:01:25] am.

[2:01:26] A while back back in.

[2:01:28] July, I think we saw this, but anyway,

[2:01:32] the

[2:01:33] site walk was July 14th.

[2:01:34] If that's helpful.

[2:01:36] Yeah.

[2:01:36] And I think there was the June 25th meeting or something like that.

[2:01:39] Mm-hmm we saw this and then we kinda, you know, there's a break

[2:01:42] We have that break.

[2:01:43] And then the C I P.

[2:01:44] And then

[2:01:45] we're back here tonight for the second meeting.

[2:01:48] The, this is for a lot line adjustment and open space subdivision for the

[2:01:52] redevelopment of property located at five Brentwood road they're drive.

[2:01:55] There used to be.

[2:01:56] A a greenhouse there and some.

[2:01:59] The project includes a new roadway, underground utilities and drainage structures.

[2:02:03] The TRC reviewed the plans and materials submitted to the planning office.

[2:02:07] Back in may.

[2:02:09] And an overview of the proposed prod project was presented.

[2:02:13] Items that we discussed with 20 foot versus 24 foot road, et cetera.

[2:02:19] It did also go to the, and I'll get to that in a second

[2:02:21] but it, it also went to the conservation commission.

[2:02:25] And they voted unanimously to recommend approval.

[2:02:28] At their July meeting of the conditional use permit.

[2:02:31] And I,

[2:02:32] there was a, should be a memo.

[2:02:35] Included with the packet.

[2:02:37] The applicant did submit a new plan set.

[2:02:39] I've you know, the Chan, I just got back from vacation.

[2:02:42] So I have a.

[2:02:43] Chance to review it a little bit.

[2:02:45] It addressed a.

[2:02:48] Few items.

[2:02:48] There's still a few things worth pointing out.

[2:02:51] One is the width of the roadway and the requirement for his shoulders.

[2:02:55] You have a Underwood engineers review letter that I haven't got to them that

[2:02:58] I just got to you earlier.

[2:02:59] I haven't gotten a chance to give to them cuz we just got it

[2:03:03] That, that lists out a couple, a handful of still outstanding remaining items.

[2:03:07] And one is regarding the 24 foot width of the roadway.

[2:03:11] Where 20 foot they they're proposing a 20 foot wide road or 24 is

[2:03:15] required.

[2:03:16] There's no shoulder on one side.

[2:03:19] They need to submit waivers for that in writing, according to our regs, we

[2:03:22] have not, we don't have any waivers in writing.

[2:03:25] I do not believe.

[2:03:27] Also only two of the six driveways off the cul-de-sac shown with small turnaround

[2:03:31] areas.

[2:03:31] So you don't have to back out into a.

[2:03:33] Public street.

[2:03:34] So if they are proposing it to be public, then it can't back out

[2:03:38] If it stays 20 feet and they ask for a waiver, then they can

[2:03:41] keep it as a private road.

[2:03:42] Then that provision for backing out on the street, doesn't apply.

[2:03:45] If it's a private road, it's.

[2:03:47] It's only on public roads,

[2:03:48] but that's where the, you know, a discussion with them.

[2:03:51] There's some other things about some conflicts with landscaping and.

[2:03:55] Utilities, but

[2:03:57] nothing, they can't be overcome there.

[2:03:58] And then there's some discussion about some storm water that, you know, in engineering

[2:04:02] details.

[2:04:03] Details

[2:04:04] and that's, and that's all I have for now.

[2:04:07] Okay, thank you.

[2:04:07] Thank you.

[2:04:08] Well, Christian, you're still here.

[2:04:10] Yes.

[2:04:11] Unfortunately for you.

[2:04:12] I am.

[2:04:13] Oh, no. Still Christian Smith with Beales associates. And I'm representing this applicant on this

[2:04:18] project as well.

[2:04:19] With me tonight, the audience is John O'Neill from stone arch development.

[2:04:24] And Michael Green from the greening company.

[2:04:26] And

[2:04:28] so David kind of went through and I, I think it is.

[2:04:33] I think it was an initial tack after

[2:04:36] TRC.

[2:04:38] That the applicants wanted to go with a, with a public road here.

[2:04:42] We have reviewed the configuration with the fire department.

[2:04:45] And from a life safety perspective, they have no issue with it.

[2:04:49] But I think

[2:04:52] the easier course and

[2:04:54] the, the one more amenable to the applicants at this time.

[2:04:58] Would be to just propose this then as a, as a private drive.

[2:05:02] I mean, it's, it's a very small road.

[2:05:04] I'm sure.

[2:05:05] D P w probably doesn't want to take care of it in any event

[2:05:10] But that being said, we did.

[2:05:13] Attend a conservation commission.

[2:05:15] And planning board combination sidewalk.

[2:05:19] At which time we did review the configuration that we have here, which.

[2:05:24] Now proposes two of the buildings.

[2:05:26] Buildings off McKay.

[2:05:29] While there were a couple of co commissioners that were not thrilled about a

[2:05:31] second.

[2:05:32] Law or a second house coming off of McKay drive.

[2:05:36] It seemed that the contingent of planning board members.

[2:05:40] Actually preferred that to spread out the houses a little bit.

[2:05:43] Added a forwarded us to.

[2:05:46] To maintain that 50 foot setback.

[2:05:48] Particularly to our, our butter to the east and south, excuse me, west and

[2:05:54] south.

[2:05:56] We still have the waiver request in for.

[2:05:59] The, the setback

[2:06:01] adjacent.

[2:06:02] To the lot that we are creating, though, that's not apparent.

[2:06:05] Parcel boundary.

[2:06:06] So I'm not even sure that's required.

[2:06:09] Required, but anyway,

[2:06:10] moving on.

[2:06:11] So we're still proposing.

[2:06:14] Eight units.

[2:06:15] Six now would be off the cul-de-sac two would come off McKay.

[2:06:19] And we have proposed the.

[2:06:23] Basically a very, very firm.

[2:06:25] Limit of clearing and limit of what would be maintained potentially.

[2:06:30] As a lawn space for these folks.

[2:06:33] We do have a

[2:06:35] collection system because the curbing is proposed on the road now.

[2:06:39] That goes through hard pipe.

[2:06:42] Into a, for bay and into a, for this project, a fairly large bio

[2:06:46] retention pond.

[2:06:47] Which is one of the, the better

[2:06:51] BMP stormwater treatment facilities.

[2:06:54] That meet all of the criteria.

[2:06:56] In 9.3, the Exeter stormwater regulations.

[2:07:00] I believe we reviewed the, the yield plan at the prior meeting.

[2:07:05] And

[2:07:07] based on

[2:07:09] what we're putting into conservation.

[2:07:11] And if you look at the property, you can kind of see the shading

[2:07:14] It's a, just a slanted hatch.

[2:07:16] But all of this area.

[2:07:20] Is proposed to be conserved.

[2:07:22] And if you've read the conservation commission's memo from the sidewalk.

[2:07:27] They were actually quite amenable to.

[2:07:30] Taking that land because I believe it connects to.

[2:07:33] Conservation land either here or over here, but.

[2:07:36] That the conservation commission would actually take on the stewardship of, of that property

[2:07:41] as well.

[2:07:44] So that being said, we, you know, with, with the yield plan,

[2:07:49] we

[2:07:50] result in a 0.7.

[2:07:53] Bonus unit.

[2:07:54] So we would.

[2:07:56] Then round that up to result in the eight units that you are shown

[2:07:59] here.

[2:08:03] Anything else

[2:08:04] of note from the conservation commission?

[2:08:07] I don't think so.

[2:08:10] Very very minor change.

[2:08:12] Aside from the, the one.

[2:08:15] Home being relocated to McKay drive.

[2:08:18] And

[2:08:19] all of the homes to the south and west now meeting the, the 50

[2:08:22] foot setback to the parent parcel.

[2:08:25] And with that, I'll entertain questions, comments from the board.

[2:08:29] Okay.

[2:08:32] Questions comments.

[2:08:34] Comments

[2:08:36] I'll start really?

[2:08:37] I know, come up.

[2:08:39] I'm curious as to why there's a driveway going into the.

[2:08:42] Neighboring the lot.

[2:08:43] That's on existing lot.

[2:08:44] That's on Brentwood road.

[2:08:47] Simply because that Gwen is part of the, the lot line adjustment with that

[2:08:51] parcel.

[2:08:51] He is.

[2:08:53] The son of the owner of this property.

[2:08:56] And he asked if

[2:08:58] he would prefer a driveway off of the new road as opposed to Brentwood

[2:09:01] road due to vehicles.

[2:09:02] So will he eliminate.

[2:09:04] The driveway off that I don't know what a plan is.

[2:09:07] He's adding a two car garage.

[2:09:09] And I'm not sure if he's going to eliminate that if it's gonna be

[2:09:12] side load, but certainly he can't have a driveway on both.

[2:09:14] So we'll have to figure that out.

[2:09:15] Figure that one out.

[2:09:16] Okay.

[2:09:17] So.

[2:09:17] Unknown

[2:09:19] and on your houses.

[2:09:21] There's a little

[2:09:23] narrow.

[2:09:24] Outline going around the perimeter of the house itself or is that the storm

[2:09:29] drip edge or is that yes, that, so.

[2:09:32] All those have drift edges.

[2:09:34] Edges

[2:09:35] is that correct?

[2:09:37] Oh, no, I'm sorry, Gwen.

[2:09:39] Those are the Eves.

[2:09:40] The, the only one proposed with drip edge at this point in time.

[2:09:44] Would be the one number 11, 11.

[2:09:47] Why did you, why did you eliminate.

[2:09:50] Didn't they have 'em before?

[2:09:52] Not, not every one of them did.

[2:09:54] I think a couple of, more of them did.

[2:09:57] But I believe they were eliminated based on the relocation and removing one of

[2:10:02] those units and putting it on McKay.

[2:10:04] Now more of the, the house structures drained directly to the, the buyer retention

[2:10:09] pond.

[2:10:13] Hmm.

[2:10:15] Okay.

[2:10:17] So this, this again is.

[2:10:19] A private road off Brentwood road.

[2:10:22] That, that is what

[2:10:24] the, the applicant is contemplating and thinking at this point.

[2:10:27] No. Yes. And the other two of course are a driveway. So.

[2:10:31] Yes, same idea.

[2:10:32] Yep.

[2:10:38] It was the proposed eight foot high vinyl fence.

[2:10:42] Was that something that was agreed to by.

[2:10:45] The applicant and

[2:10:47] a butters or was that

[2:10:50] yeah.

[2:10:51] That was, yeah, I, I believe John and the, the owner of the house

[2:10:55] that's getting a lot line investment, getting a little more land.

[2:10:59] Work that out with those that's what they wanted.

[2:11:00] Yeah.

[2:11:00] And they were all also consulted on the.

[2:11:04] Final landscape plan that was proposed.

[2:11:06] Okay,

[2:11:07] well, something similar to that on the development.

[2:11:09] That's off little river road.

[2:11:12] Yes, I think we put in a expert vegetated, but yep.

[2:11:16] And then hoping that will grow up and maybe.

[2:11:19] Eliminate the need for the vinyl fence, but I just was curious how that

[2:11:24] Came about

[2:11:27] you have 4, 6, 5 decks that are in, within the.

[2:11:33] 75 foot building wetland buffer.

[2:11:36] Is there any way that, that, that, that those can be.

[2:11:42] I think those are actually patios.

[2:11:44] Gwen, are they?

[2:11:45] Those are, oh, those are decks.

[2:11:47] You're right.

[2:11:47] Those deck.

[2:11:47] Yeah.

[2:11:48] Just can't see.

[2:11:49] The hatch at the scale

[2:11:50] and it's so out of focus on the screen, it's.

[2:11:54] It's difficult to tell.

[2:11:55] Yeah, kind of is .

[2:11:57] That's okay.

[2:12:05] Which just like to keep things out of the buffer.

[2:12:10] So it's the three on the lower two on the McKay.

[2:12:13] I think.

[2:12:15] Are both two on McKay and I think one.

[2:12:19] And three actually.

[2:12:22] And the other section.

[2:12:24] Five seven and nine.

[2:12:25] Yep.

[2:12:26] Five seven and nine.

[2:12:29] Yep.

[2:12:29] Got it.

[2:12:29] Just wondering if you can.

[2:12:32] Do something to eliminate that.

[2:12:40] Yeah, actually, that's a valid point, Gwen, because.

[2:12:43] When we, when we designed this, we were assuming the, the right of way

[2:12:46] was the setback.

[2:12:48] This goes private.

[2:12:49] The, the setback then goes from the edge of pavement.

[2:12:53] So actually I believe we can pull those units forward.

[2:12:57] And, and accomplish that.

[2:12:58] Okay, great.

[2:13:01] Okay.

[2:13:08] School bus stop, I guess.

[2:13:10] I don't know if you've got to that point.

[2:13:11] I'm guessing kids would have to come down Brentwood road.

[2:13:14] That is our as.

[2:13:15] Assumption and

[2:13:16] don't know that yet.

[2:13:21] The sidewalks on the other side of the road?

[2:13:22] Yeah, the sidewalk.

[2:13:33] Yeah.

[2:13:33] Can I ask on that?

[2:13:34] If we're on that,

[2:13:35] does that a mid-block crossing you're proposing.

[2:13:38] I'm not really sure.

[2:13:39] What sun subdivision site plan B at the end of the sidewalk, you show

[2:13:42] two dark lines.

[2:13:44] Cross, hold on.

[2:13:45] If that's the case.

[2:13:47] On the site, PL subdivision site plan, look at the subdivision site plan B

[2:13:50] Yep.

[2:13:51] Mm-hmm .

[2:13:56] Oh, that's better.

[2:13:57] Yeah.

[2:13:58] Oh, yeah.

[2:14:13] Next one.

[2:14:14] Yep.

[2:14:15] Keep going.

[2:14:17] Slate.

[2:14:21] One more

[2:14:22] overall

[2:14:23] a

[2:14:24] these and extra B next one.

[2:14:25] There is.

[2:14:25] There you go.

[2:14:26] There it is.

[2:14:27] What is that down at the end end of the sidewalk going across Brentwood

[2:14:32] There's two lines.

[2:14:33] I think that is a crosswalk.

[2:14:34] That was that.

[2:14:36] Came out of TRC, David.

[2:14:40] Yeah, I remember discussing it, but I don't remember.

[2:14:42] We, someone said put it in.

[2:14:45] Cause it looks like this curbing the conflict.

[2:14:46] Is it a tip down and.

[2:14:49] Well, yeah, the, the

[2:14:51] basically where that there's gonna be a handicap accessible landing.

[2:14:55] Yeah.At the end of that.

[2:14:56] So the curbing would tip down before you get there.

[2:14:59] Yeah.

[2:15:00] And then yes, just painted lines across.

[2:15:03] To the sidewalk on the other side of the road.

[2:15:05] Okay.

[2:15:06] But in, in the event of.

[2:15:10] A private roadway.

[2:15:12] I guess internal sidewalks that aren't even required.

[2:15:16] Well, it's no, it's a newly created street.

[2:15:18] It doesn't matter if it's private or public.

[2:15:19] Okay.

[2:15:20] But

[2:15:21] in that case, you gotta, you get out of a lot.

[2:15:23] Of stuff by making it private.

[2:15:24] I thought that was D P w what it was actually talking about putting

[2:15:28] in that crosswalk.

[2:15:29] Yeah, I heard, I remember that, but I don't remember it saying.

[2:15:31] Put it in because just, just an issue with you gotta be very careful

[2:15:34] with mid-block crossings and where you put 'em and what kind of signage goes

[2:15:38] with them?

[2:15:38] Is it a rapid rec.

[2:15:40] Rectangular rapid flash and beacon.

[2:15:41] Do you put up there?

[2:15:42] I mean, that's what I would, the speeds.

[2:15:43] Yeah, you probably that's right.

[2:15:44] That's why I brought it up.

[2:15:46] So, so.

[2:15:48] I think we need a little more

[2:15:49] consideration on that instead of just the two lines without any additional, unless there's

[2:15:54] information.

[2:15:56] There

[2:15:56] more detail than just what I'm seeing.

[2:15:59] There's no detail on what that crossing's gonna be as far as approach signage

[2:16:04] or.

[2:16:05] Flashing beacon or anything like that.

[2:16:06] Right.

[2:16:08] Yeah, Christian check.

[2:16:12] Would it

[2:16:16] yeah, no, but that, that is, that is definitively.

[2:16:19] Yeah.

[2:16:20] And that's just the lighting.

[2:16:24] That is definitively gonna want be an addition to.

[2:16:29] Yeah.

[2:16:29] If, and if, you know,

[2:16:32] we'd even that's the appropriate spot for it.

[2:16:35] I mean, I, I know there's a sidewalk there, but midblock, crossing's just gotta

[2:16:38] you gotta take a lot of consideration.

[2:16:39] Oh yeah.

[2:16:40] Understood Karen determining if, if they're gonna go there, you know, speeds on that

[2:16:44] road and so forth at that.

[2:16:45] Well, I think the issue was they wanted the CRO. They wanted the sidewalk

[2:16:48] On this road.

[2:16:49] Yeah.

[2:16:49] And there's no sidewalk on that side of the street.

[2:16:52] No understood.

[2:16:52] So they wanted us to get them to the actual sidewalk on Brentwood road

[2:16:57] So I will,

[2:16:58] I will consult a, a traffic consultant.

[2:17:01] A traffic engineer

[2:17:02] and they, they will give us the appropriate.

[2:17:06] Distances down each side of the road, that those are should go.

[2:17:08] Yeah.

[2:17:08] And whatever.

[2:17:10] Infrastructure and to make it safe.

[2:17:11] Yep.

[2:17:12] Yep.

[2:17:12] Regarding, because then I'm assuming we'll, we'll take that over because.

[2:17:16] That that's on a town road.

[2:17:17] Yes.

[2:17:17] So any infrastructure that will be ours it's regarding that infrastructure.

[2:17:22] Change there.

[2:17:22] You said the flashing beacon.

[2:17:23] Also, if that's a bump out, I'm not sure what the spaces would be

[2:17:27] needed, but if that could be.

[2:17:29] You know,

[2:17:30] a smaller version, what we have downtown.

[2:17:34] I don't know what it's gonna be.

[2:17:35] That's why I'm asking.

[2:17:35] Yeah.

[2:17:36] They're not proposing any detail at this point.

[2:17:38] So yeah, I'm just saying things to keep in mind on that.

[2:17:41] Bump out too.

[2:17:41] So it's also.

[2:17:43] Shortens the crossing distance and is a visual, additional visual indicator to cars that

[2:17:47] there's something going on there besides the flashing beacon.

[2:17:51] And, and can I

[2:17:53] Dave, could I suggest also that it seems to me that

[2:17:56] the decision on whether a crosswalk should be long on Brentwood road at that

[2:18:00] location.

[2:18:01] Is more of a town

[2:18:03] decision.

[2:18:03] Does it make sense?

[2:18:04] Does it, you know, I don't know if that's come from planning or public

[2:18:07] works or whatever, but it may.

[2:18:09] Make sense for this

[2:18:11] project.

[2:18:12] But it may not make, there may be other locations that need crosswalks on

[2:18:15] Brentwood road.

[2:18:17] That the town should really have more.

[2:18:20] Say on than us focusing on.

[2:18:22] This part, cuz maybe, maybe putting this in will preclude.

[2:18:26] Another crosswalk that needs to go.

[2:18:29] To a, oh, well, this would be, they would they're being, so they would

[2:18:33] fund this.

[2:18:34] I understand.

[2:18:34] But I'm saying I'm.

[2:18:36] I'm they can pay for something and put it in.

[2:18:37] Then we can find out that.

[2:18:39] Well, gee, you know,

[2:18:41] if there was a need for a Crosswork, it might have been.

[2:18:44] 300 yards down the road.

[2:18:45] I, I don't know that.

[2:18:45] I'm just saying.

[2:18:47] That it, it should be more of a, you know, is it something that

[2:18:51] Planning or the public works or somebody agrees that that makes sense.

[2:18:55] Well, that's what I'm saying.

[2:18:56] I think the discussion was that that they would like to see it.

[2:18:59] Okay.

[2:18:59] The public works representatives at the TRC.

[2:19:02] Would they like to.

[2:19:03] See it, what I was following up on is there's really no detail.

[2:19:06] Yeah.

[2:19:07] And there needs to be more detail about what this crossing and to make

[2:19:10] sure it's safe.

[2:19:11] Because with this, I don't really know what, what is being proposed here.

[2:19:15] Okay.

[2:19:15] So public works has already said, this is the best location they want.

[2:19:18] They like it.

[2:19:18] Well, that's what they.

[2:19:20] Suggested at the TRC.

[2:19:21] Now that Christian reminded me, but I was just asking about let's at the

[2:19:25] TRC.

[2:19:28] We make comments, but then they don't come back.They.

[2:19:28] Go to the planning board.

[2:19:29] And then we, you know, I, I try to make sure any.

[2:19:32] Like that.

[2:19:33] That's why I'm like, well, we need more detail on that.

[2:19:35] Oh, yep.

[2:19:36] So could I just follow up with that?

[2:19:37] And just once the more detail is provided will D P w look at

[2:19:41] that.

[2:19:42] The additional detail.

[2:19:43] We usually.

[2:19:45] Get plans for them and send them to them.

[2:19:46] Yeah.

[2:19:46] Oh, just checking.

[2:19:47] Yeah.

[2:19:48] Yeah.

[2:19:48] Thank you.

[2:19:51] Anything in there right away, we pay particularly attention to as well.

[2:19:53] Yeah, I just.

[2:19:55] This is an interior to the people that road.

[2:19:57] This is gonna happen on Brentwood on Brentwood road.

[2:20:00] They will be included.

[2:20:01] Yes.

[2:20:02] Yes.

[2:20:02] Good for the public to know that it will be looked at again.

[2:20:06] It's great that we get people to cross, you know, I I'm all for

[2:20:09] crossing, but I just wanna make sure it's a safe situation.

[2:20:13] Yeah, other than,

[2:20:14] yeah.

[2:20:17] Now I have to drive it, look prospects.

[2:20:19] Cause I, yeah, I took up a lot of oxygen there and what's that

[2:20:22] I said, I just took up a lot of oxygen.

[2:20:24] So I'll stop.

[2:20:24] No, no, no. It's all important stuff.

[2:20:27] I just said, I.

[2:20:29] Am trying to visualize what we have for crosswalks on that.

[2:20:33] I drive it kind of frequently.

[2:20:33] Stretch.

[2:20:34] Right?

[2:20:35] So 20 there aren't any aren't there's not, it's just at, I understand at

[2:20:39] the intersection square where the new.

[2:20:41] The whole, yeah.

[2:20:42] Yeah.

[2:20:42] And then also that's what I was thinking.

[2:20:43] The sidewalk ends.

[2:20:45] Ends at Washington road.

[2:20:46] You scroll down.

[2:20:47] Oh, you can't scroll down, but it ends.

[2:20:49] Ends right there, right near there.

[2:20:50] So this makes sense because.

[2:20:52] If it's six units.

[2:20:55] There, you know, 12 people.

[2:20:58] 12 to 20 people living there.

[2:21:00] However many,

[2:21:02] the other side of the road is where the crosswalk is.

[2:21:04] So like accessibility for that is.

[2:21:07] Yeah, I think that what makes sense.

[2:21:08] Yeah.

[2:21:08] But yeah, apparently road is.

[2:21:11] The dodgy.

[2:21:13] Yeah,

[2:21:15] horrible.

[2:21:19] Okay.

[2:21:27] Do you have the

[2:21:28] confirmation commission law.

[2:21:30] Yeah.

[2:21:32] I can't find one anywhere.

[2:21:34] I've got, I'm working off a three packet here.

[2:21:49] Okay, thank you.

[2:21:52] I have a question just because it's been a while since we've looked at

[2:21:55] this, can we approve the yield plan?

[2:21:58] At the last meeting.

[2:21:59] I can't remember.

[2:22:00] No, we did not.

[2:22:01] So should we look at the yield plan?

[2:22:04] Uhoh

[2:22:05] I don't have any, you should it's we should.

[2:22:07] Yeah, because we need to approve that before we can approve the.

[2:22:10] Yeah,

[2:22:11] you need to, it says accept.

[2:22:13] I believe, read to accept it.

[2:22:14] Okay.

[2:22:15] Accept.

[2:22:16] Cause I feel like first time we at have to make a formal.

[2:22:19] Lot of the times we'll make a formal vote.

[2:22:20] But if you, if you approve the plan, then you've accepted the yield plan

[2:22:24] Yeah.

[2:22:24] You know, if, if you have any issues, you should discuss it and.

[2:22:27] Have that discussion now.

[2:22:28] Yeah.

[2:22:28] Okay.

[2:22:29] Yeah.

[2:22:29] I seem to remember that there were some concerns and we were gonna go

[2:22:32] look at the site.

[2:22:33] And I don't know if we've addressed all the concerns.

[2:22:36] I didn't bring one with me.

[2:22:40] Yeah,

[2:22:42] the old, the yield plan for this project.

[2:22:45] I probably have it, but I'm, I'm all over the place tonight.

[2:22:48] I can't.

[2:22:49] Thank, can you kinda keep that tagged?

[2:22:51] I will.

[2:22:52] Okay.

[2:22:52] What was that meeting date?

[2:22:56] Oh boy.

[2:22:56] Well, it could have been June 25th.

[2:22:59] I mean, yeah, July 9th.

[2:23:00] Was it July 9th, the ninth of the 20 June.

[2:23:02] It was July 9th.

[2:23:03] I think so.

[2:23:03] Yeah.

[2:23:04] All right.

[2:23:04] Okay.

[2:23:06] We've been the 23rd was canceled.

[2:23:08] So it was July 9th?

[2:23:09] Yes.

[2:23:09] Yep.

[2:23:10] Or.

[2:23:11] Where was the 25th?

[2:23:12] I've got the 25th.

[2:23:13] No, it was the 25th.

[2:23:15] June 25th.

[2:23:15] Yeah.

[2:23:16] I don't think you went on the July 13th.

[2:23:19] No, you weren't there.

[2:23:20] Oh, okay.

[2:23:21] You met all met once in July.

[2:23:25] Yeah, let me, let me, I'll find out definitively here in a second.

[2:23:33] Some issues though.

[2:23:35] I remember there were some issues and I just couldn't.

[2:23:37] Couldn't remember if they were resolved?

[2:23:38] Yeah.

[2:23:39] One of 'em was the.

[2:23:41] Her name winter street, Phillips waiver with a neighbor.

[2:23:47] So, yeah.

[2:23:49] But just for

[2:23:51] between meetings.

[2:23:53] Meetings people shoot.

[2:24:12] That was the 25th.

[2:24:13] Yeah.

[2:24:17] I sort of feel like there are a lot of things that.

[2:24:20] Have been brought up by U EI.

[2:24:23] I and

[2:24:25] a few things that may come up tonight that will.

[2:24:29] Be require them to come back.

[2:24:32] So maybe we can

[2:24:34] table sort of table that.

[2:24:36] Until

[2:24:38] they seen it enough to be able to respond to them.

[2:24:41] And there's a lot, there, there is a lot.

[2:24:43] And.

[2:24:45] We can keep going.

[2:24:47] This concerns or thoughts we have on this.

[2:24:52] Yeah, I am.

[2:24:56] Good idea.

[2:25:20] And one of the conservation commission notes.

[2:25:25] They noted that the wetlands were surveyed on December 22nd.

[2:25:28] And there was a question as to whether there'd been follow up inspection.

[2:25:32] Inspections by the wetland scientist to confirm the results.

[2:25:36] And was the site inspected during times appropriate to identify presence or absence of

[2:25:40] Vernal.

[2:25:41] Pool's.

[2:25:42] And I just wondered if you have.

[2:25:46] An answer.

[2:25:47] If you can.

[2:25:49] Supply us with an answer on that.

[2:25:51] Yeah, I, I, I wasn't Jack bag out there

[2:25:55] this spring.

[2:25:57] And yeah, there, there was, there was no Vernal pools found for certain.

[2:26:01] We could certainly get our.

[2:26:04] Soil and wetland scientists to.

[2:26:08] Put that into his memo, cuz

[2:26:09] I, I am not re recalling him actually adding that to his report.

[2:26:14] I did.

[2:26:15] I didn't see it.

[2:26:17] In, but I know he's been back out on site because I believe he

[2:26:21] did a couple of adjustments for us.

[2:26:24] Still laid up.

[2:26:31] Yeah.

[2:26:31] And I'm, I'm just not.

[2:26:33] Finding that in this particular calendar time.

[2:26:38] And we'll need to have.

[2:26:41] There were a lot of comments again by U EI.

[2:26:44] I on trees that were.

[2:26:47] Placed in locations that either were.

[2:26:51] Over utilities or there were some.

[2:26:54] There were several concerns in the one of the U EI letters.

[2:26:59] Well, if that's the one that came in today, I haven't even seen it

[2:26:59] Letters.

[2:27:01] Yeah.

[2:27:02] Okay.

[2:27:02] And I don't remember.

[2:27:03] I, I did look at that one.

[2:27:05] I don't know if the other one, but.

[2:27:07] That it, it sounded like there's gonna need to be a lot done to

[2:27:10] revise the landscape plan.

[2:27:15] And you'll see that when you.

[2:27:18] See the letter from U EI.

[2:27:21] I, I don't know.

[2:27:23] Let me just see

[2:27:26] oh, wait a minute.

[2:27:30] Three.

[2:27:35] Yes,

[2:27:36] it is.

[2:27:36] It's on page three of the recent U E I.

[2:27:40] Letter

[2:27:51] I like 1, 2, 3, what was five, five different points.

[2:27:56] Of trees that need to be moved.

[2:27:58] And I guess, I guess in follow up to that, I would.

[2:28:02] Request that

[2:28:05] trees that they're seeing need to be removed.

[2:28:07] If those could be.

[2:28:09] And this this lot has been pretty heavily.

[2:28:12] Cleared.

[2:28:14] And I would like to

[2:28:16] not see trees just removed and forgotten about, I'd like to see them.

[2:28:20] Put somewhere else.

[2:28:22] And try to re-vegetate this as best we can.

[2:28:26] That's tough out back there.

[2:28:27] Boy, they put somebody to sit still sitting in the.

[2:28:31] Bucket and, you know, they were small trees at one time.

[2:28:33] Yeah.

[2:28:33] So it's that kind of a mishmash up there?

[2:28:35] Yes, there's no.

[2:28:37] No order to right.

[2:28:38] Yeah.

[2:28:55] Anything else we need to be looking at.

[2:29:00] I have a question on the conservation.

[2:29:02] Commission letter from August 12th.

[2:29:05] 12th.

[2:29:05] It's the last paragraph.

[2:29:08] Thank you.

[2:29:09] Are we supposed to be getting more information from the applicant?

[2:29:13] On the language of the conservation land.

[2:29:19] They voted unanimously that they support in concept.

[2:29:22] Yeah.

[2:29:24] Right.

[2:29:24] They were looking for.

[2:29:26] What that language would actually be.

[2:29:30] The charm.

[2:29:31] So isn't that something eventually comes to you, Dave, that it, well, Kristen.

[2:29:37] And

[2:29:38] I can't see you.

[2:29:39] Yeah.

[2:29:41] So that those planning board doesn't have to look at that.

[2:29:43] That's something that happens really.

[2:29:46] What happens?

[2:29:46] Oh, you can.

[2:29:47] Yeah.

[2:29:47] Okay.

[2:29:48] Well, no, but typically it would just.

[2:29:51] Well, yeah, because we don't even know what kind, what it is.

[2:29:54] It says what type of deed.

[2:29:56] Easement terms, conservation boundary, correct?

[2:30:00] Yeah.

[2:30:00] There's a few questions.

[2:30:02] So at some point I would like to know what.

[2:30:05] What the crime is for the bonus is if the conservation commission is willing

[2:30:10] to accept the land, you can get a bonus.

[2:30:13] Mm.

[2:30:13] Mm-hmm a density bonus.

[2:30:14] Mm-hmm and, and they are willing to accept it in concepts, in concept

[2:30:18] move along with showing a units instead of.

[2:30:21] Seven one is the density bonus.

[2:30:24] But yet at some point we, we need to know what that yeah, because

[2:30:28] in constant Pete actually is gonna say yes.

[2:30:30] Yeah.

[2:30:31] So if we can get that clarified at some point,

[2:30:34] yeah.

[2:30:35] I mean, typically the.

[2:30:37] The concert or excuse me, the.

[2:30:39] Easement documents, conservation documents.

[2:30:42] Those get done.

[2:30:44] Once we're

[2:30:45] stopping, moving trees, things of that.

[2:30:47] Yep.

[2:30:47] Got it.

[2:30:48] Just we're we're checking off a list of what we're looking for and that

[2:30:52] is.

[2:30:52] Something that absolutely they were, they didn't have.

[2:30:56] The information when you talked to them, I watched the meeting, right.

[2:30:59] Because, and that was one of the things that got worked out at the

[2:31:02] sidewalk is because we don't know if they.

[2:31:04] Want

[2:31:05] and conservation easement and.

[2:31:08] Deed restriction, et cetera, et cetera.

[2:31:10] Until we work with them and I think we understand what they're gonna be

[2:31:14] comfortable with.

[2:31:15] And now it's just a matter of John to get his attorneys to.

[2:31:19] Draft the appropriate language.

[2:31:20] Great.

[2:31:20] Yeah.

[2:31:22] How about number three commission also noted strong preference to adopt this plan.

[2:31:27] As presented, avoiding the development of the second lad off.

[2:31:31] Of McKay drive in order to preserve larger contiguous wetland and wetland buffer complex

[2:31:35] without encroachments.

[2:31:38] To support settlement retention.

[2:31:40] And encourage groundwater recharge.

[2:31:43] Yeah, that was one of the points of my.

[2:31:46] Introduction Mr. Chairman.

[2:31:48] And

[2:31:50] while there were a couple of commissioners that were not thrilled about that,

[2:31:54] the, the contingent of.

[2:31:56] Planning board members.

[2:31:57] Now I wasn't at the sidewalk.

[2:31:58] My, my.

[2:32:00] Senior engineer.

[2:32:01] We noticed that John Morgan.

[2:32:04] Morton.

[2:32:04] He was very good by the way.

[2:32:06] He said that a number of planning board members, and maybe it was just

[2:32:10] a couple planning board members.

[2:32:13] I don't even know how many of you were able to make it outthere.

[2:32:14] But we're actually very much in favor of that.

[2:32:17] Second unit out on McKay drive.

[2:32:19] Yeah.

[2:32:20] Because,

[2:32:21] you know, it's, it is not affecting wetlands itself.

[2:32:24] Right.

[2:32:25] And the buffers on those two front.

[2:32:28] Proposed thousands out there.

[2:32:31] You know, they're, they're just, they're not in that great shape because they're right

[2:32:35] next to paragraph.

[2:32:36] Photograph, but anyway.

[2:32:38] Okay.

[2:32:38] Yep.

[2:32:39] Yep.

[2:32:39] We, we understood what the conservation commission's.

[2:32:43] Physician was it, it just seemed that this board's.

[2:32:46] Board's position or the agents that were there were, were counter to that.

[2:32:50] So that's what we ended.

[2:32:57] We always request

[2:32:59] the marking of trees that are over.

[2:33:02] 20 inches in diameter.

[2:33:05] To be noted on the existing condition plan.

[2:33:08] I know that this site was.

[2:33:10] Cleared , but I don't know about the two lots on McKay.

[2:33:15] I, I didn't notice.

[2:33:16] Yeah.

[2:33:16] I, I will check.

[2:33:17] Can you check and see if they're in?

[2:33:18] Yeah, I'll take a look at that because I, I know that.

[2:33:23] That civil works is aware of that requirement.

[2:33:26] Yep.

[2:33:26] Yeah.

[2:33:27] I I was on the sidewalk

[2:33:29] could well be Glen that they, they picked him off with the survey.

[2:33:33] Points, but didn't process it through text that shows up on the drawing.

[2:33:37] I'll double check mm-hmm I'll mark.

[2:33:38] That that would be great.

[2:33:39] Yeah, you did show three.

[2:33:41] Coniferous trees on the

[2:33:44] existing conditions plan.

[2:33:45] We thought those were them.

[2:33:47] But anyway, they, they didn't identify 'em as 20 inches or better, but

[2:33:51] OUS trees they're on.

[2:33:54] They're on sheet.

[2:33:56] Well, they're on multiple sheets.

[2:33:57] They're on the lot line adjustment sheet,

[2:33:59] existing conditions.

[2:34:00] Yeah.

[2:34:01] So I thought those I'll have exist to find out well, we'll confirm that

[2:34:05] but I thought that's all that exists.

[2:34:06] Right?

[2:34:07] Which ones meet the 20 inches and which ones do.

[2:34:09] Not

[2:34:10] because we talked about that at the TRC as well.

[2:34:19] Thank you.

[2:34:19] Other questions, concerns.

[2:34:26] No, just if we can get a response to the letter that was handed

[2:34:29] out tonight.

[2:34:31] You know, before

[2:34:33] with time to review it before our next oh, that was this one here

[2:34:35] Yeah.

[2:34:36] Okay.

[2:34:36] Yes.

[2:34:37] We had a handout.

[2:34:38] No, I'll put it someplace.

[2:34:39] Oh, it's over here.

[2:34:40] Yep.

[2:34:45] Anybody from the public, let me open it to the public.

[2:34:47] Anybody in the public like to speak about this particular project?

[2:34:54] Don't all speaker once.

[2:35:03] well hearing none, then we're all set with the, at this point, I'll close

[2:35:06] Well, I'll leave it open.

[2:35:09] So just, I know we'll probably look at the yield plan at the next

[2:35:12] meeting, but just to be clear is so the yield plan dated

[2:35:16] February 20.

[2:35:17] 26.

[2:35:18] Is that the one we're using?

[2:35:21] Cause I'm only seeing

[2:35:23] I'm seeing nine lots on that one.

[2:35:25] And then 10 lots on the proposed.

[2:35:28] But maybe I miscounting.

[2:35:30] This should only be seven.

[2:35:33] Well, so I'm including the two lots on the street.

[2:35:36] Oh, the lots, the, the lot line adjustment lot.

[2:35:38] And then the lots being carved.

[2:35:39] Right.

[2:35:40] So, yeah.

[2:35:41] So.

[2:35:41] There should be nine seven.

[2:35:43] New lots.

[2:35:44] Yeah.

[2:35:46] And then there's eight new lots.

[2:35:47] Are there eight new lots on your proposed plans?

[2:35:49] Eight new buildings.

[2:35:50] Yes.

[2:35:50] Yes, because we're, we're proposing.

[2:35:53] To enact the 10% density bonus.

[2:35:57] Based on the fact that we're putting over 50% of the land in the

[2:35:59] conservation.

[2:36:00] Got it.

[2:36:00] Okay.

[2:36:01] I think I, and doesn't one of the units exist the bottom, right?

[2:36:04] One you're counting as.

[2:36:05] A unit in the yield plant.

[2:36:06] Yes.

[2:36:06] Don't you move that lot line.

[2:36:10] That's what I thought.

[2:36:11] Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[2:36:12] Okay.

[2:36:12] Yes.

[2:36:13] Just.

[2:36:16] So there's already one of those long units.

[2:36:19] There.

[2:36:19] Okay.

[2:36:21] So, you know, when you get to yeah, so you get to nine, but

[2:36:24] it's actually eight new ones cuz one of 'em already exists.

[2:36:27] Right?

[2:36:27] Okay.

[2:36:28] So the bonus gets you nine?

[2:36:30] No, the bonus gets you the eighth one bonus gets you eight new ones

[2:36:34] Eight new ones.

[2:36:35] Yeah.

[2:36:36] Remaining.

[2:36:36] Land

[2:36:37] after subdividing off the parcel that used to have all the greenhouses

[2:36:42] you could get.

[2:36:43] But on top, there's already.

[2:36:45] One existing.

[2:36:45] So it's a little confusing.

[2:36:46] I'm gonna take your work a little bit.

[2:36:47] Yeah.

[2:36:48] I, I don't know what happened tonight, but yes.

[2:36:50] Okay.

[2:36:50] Yeah.

[2:36:51] I think what you need to, you know, just, just.

[2:36:54] Do you like, you know, the, the, the yield plan.

[2:36:57] Where the lots and the configured do they meet the zoning mm-hmm and

[2:36:59] so forth?

[2:37:00] Mm-hmm that's what you determine.

[2:37:04] One, one really quick question.

[2:37:07] On mm-hmm the lighting plan.

[2:37:08] You have a light.

[2:37:10] At the end of the road at the intersection?

[2:37:12] Yes.

[2:37:12] Is that that's not a, like a regular utility pole.

[2:37:16] It's the pole Mount.

[2:37:18] That you have pictured, correct.

[2:37:19] That's looked at is yep.

[2:37:20] Okay.

[2:37:20] That's what I thought.

[2:37:22] Okay.

[2:37:24] What's the condominium like

[2:37:27] yeah, pretty much.

[2:37:31] That's it.

[2:37:32] All right.

[2:37:43] What's interesting.

[2:37:44] Marty is

[2:37:45] I talked to John Bell.

[2:37:46] I was talking to.

[2:37:48] D P w and they have resurfacing.

[2:37:51] Brentwood road next year, and we're gonna do it this year, grind it, but

[2:37:54] they thought they would tie it into what we're doing.

[2:37:56] So at that point it makes a lot of sense to.

[2:37:59] Work on that, that crosswalk situation.

[2:38:02] Does that mean I have to drive up that bumpy road for the next

[2:38:05] year?

[2:38:05] Well, he's in the spring.

[2:38:06] Oh my gosh.

[2:38:07] .

[2:38:10] It's only that short piece.

[2:38:12] I think they're grinding though.

[2:38:13] I did say from the, from the dam all the way up to Crestview

[2:38:17] I think, and that's this year, and then they're gonna continue next year, which

[2:38:20] will take it up to, so you might be all right then.

[2:38:22] Great.

[2:38:23] and I just read that the bridge isn't gonna be redone until right

[2:38:28] 2032 or something.

[2:38:30] It's way.

[2:38:31] That's way off.

[2:38:33] and that's a moving target as well.

[2:38:34] Yeah, that's a moving target.

[2:38:36] As well main target.

[2:38:36] Yeah.

[2:38:36] Oh, well,

[2:38:37] .

[2:38:39] Just what it is.

[2:38:43] Okay.

[2:38:44] I think about a point where we.

[2:38:47] Need to continue this case.

[2:38:50] Your honor.

[2:38:52] Do we know where something continue to, to ask more or to what date

[2:38:57] To

[2:38:58] that you probably wanna talk to the applicant first couple things.

[2:39:01] May I?

[2:39:01] Yeah.

[2:39:03] First you want, it's the, it's been six since, since it's only the second

[2:39:06] meeting, but it's been, but it's been six.

[2:39:09] It's been a long time.

[2:39:10] It's been 60.

[2:39:11] Three days.

[2:39:11] So the 65 day statutory clock is up in two days.

[2:39:14] So you need to ask the, you know, applicant to agree to an extension

[2:39:18] which I believe the.

[2:39:19] You know, they got plenty to respond to here, so, but I I'll leave

[2:39:22] that to them.

[2:39:23] Okay.

[2:39:23] And I think you make sure you get that on the record, agreeing to

[2:39:26] that.

[2:39:27] And then.

[2:39:28] When would you be

[2:39:30] when you'd be able to turn around and get us plans?

[2:39:33] Plans, you know, cuz the next, for example, the next meeting is September 10th, but

[2:39:37] we need we'd need.

[2:39:39] Response to all this stuff by September 3rd.

[2:39:41] I mean, can you do that?

[2:39:42] And so by next Wednesday,

[2:39:45] That's what I'm asking or, or are you table it till September 24th?

[2:39:45] yeah.

[2:39:48] Yeah, that was the 24th.

[2:39:51] Yeah.

[2:39:52] September 20.

[2:39:52] And do you okay with a, an extension to the 65 day statutory,

[2:39:59] give us an extension.

[2:40:00] Absolutely.

[2:40:01] Thank you.

[2:40:02] Okay.

[2:40:04] So back show

[2:40:06] there.

[2:40:09] Okay.

[2:40:10] Do you want, is he looking for a motion?

[2:40:12] I couldn't hear.

[2:40:12] Can't tell.

[2:40:13] I, I, I know, I'm sorry.

[2:40:14] I couldn't hear.

[2:40:15] Okay.

[2:40:15] So I move.

[2:40:17] That we continue planning board case number.

[2:40:20] 26 dash 11.

[2:40:24] To

[2:40:25] our September 24th.

[2:40:28] 2026 meeting

[2:40:29] at 7:00 PM in the Nova room.

[2:40:34] Second second.

[2:40:35] Okay.

[2:40:35] We've got a second.

[2:40:37] Everybody in favor, please say aye.

[2:40:40] Aye.

[2:40:40] Opposed obsessions the aye heaven.

[2:40:43] Thank you.

[2:40:43] Thank you, gentlemen.

[2:40:44] Thank you.

[2:40:45] Folks ladies.

[2:40:46] Oh,

[2:40:50] well, at least we have the propensity.

[2:40:52] Next time won't be taking.

[2:40:56] You never know.

[2:40:58] Yeah.

[2:41:00] I don't even like myself.

[2:41:01] .

[2:41:05] All right.

[2:41:06] Let's see now.

[2:41:13] Thank you.

[2:41:14] Very much.

[2:41:14] Thank you.

[2:41:15] Have a good holiday weekend.

[2:41:17] Don't forget to vote.

[2:41:19] Oh, yeah.

[2:41:19] Voting day adapted.

[2:41:21] Okay.

[2:41:21] Master plan discussion.

[2:41:23] Is there anything to discuss about master plan?

[2:41:27] Nope.

[2:41:27] Okay.

[2:41:28] Land use and regulation on just on that beat.

[2:41:31] Do we wanna schedule another meeting?

[2:41:33] Our next meeting?

[2:41:34] I thought you said.

[2:41:36] They're going to start being on the planning board meeting day.

[2:41:40] I, I, that's what I proposed that we would do that.

[2:41:42] I just.

[2:41:43] Are we all good with that?

[2:41:45] I mean, I'll, I thought everyone was, yeah.

[2:41:47] Okay.

[2:41:47] Well, we haven't sent any invitations out or anything, so I'll, I'll follow over

[2:41:50] here.

[2:41:51] With you.Okay.

[2:41:51] Now follow up with Don.

[2:41:52] Yep.

[2:41:53] Okay.

[2:41:53] Call a meeting.

[2:41:54] Okay.

[2:41:55] And hopefully we get

[2:41:58] a quorum.

[2:41:59] Yeah.

[2:41:59] Okay.

[2:42:00] That's a good segue to the quorum point.

[2:42:03] Is there an avenue?

[2:42:06] To expand that have alternates so that corn be met more regularly.

[2:42:10] I mean, is there an well.

[2:42:13] I don't suggest committees are a quorum of the planning board, cuz then you're

[2:42:16] not a committee anymore.

[2:42:17] You're the planning board.

[2:42:18] Well, I get it.

[2:42:19] So as a, as a group of seven,

[2:42:21] a quorum is four.

[2:42:23] So you want your committees usually less than a quorum?

[2:42:27] Not saying you can't do it, but usually it's like, then, then it's a

[2:42:30] planning board meeting.

[2:42:30] Yeah.

[2:42:31] So I guess I would.

[2:42:32] Meant more of like having, cause it seems like all alternates you mean?

[2:42:34] Yeah.

[2:42:35] Alternates.

[2:42:35] It seems like the MPO C meetings.

[2:42:37] Meetings come and go because of availability.

[2:42:39] So if there's an alternate that could be on that.

[2:42:42] I'm not sure what the.

[2:42:44] Method for that to happen would be, well, it would be an adjustment to

[2:42:48] the

[2:42:49] rules of procedure, cuz that's where.

[2:42:52] Your

[2:42:53] right, right.

[2:42:54] Yeah.

[2:42:54] That's where it lives.

[2:42:55] That's where you created the N POC mm-hmm and that's where it lays

[2:42:58] forth.

[2:42:58] That there's three members and.

[2:43:00] No alternates are identified.

[2:43:02] So you'd probably want to just, you could change that and add one and

[2:43:07] I don't know, chair Mr. Chair, or if anyone knows the, the process for

[2:43:10] that, is that something that happens at a meeting tonight right here?

[2:43:13] Oh no, you, you gotta notice.

[2:43:15] It.

[2:43:15] Okay.

[2:43:16] You, you, you you'd say what you want and I, I could.

[2:43:19] Prepare like, you know, we'd have a dis let's have a discussion and maybe

[2:43:23] the next meeting, I'll just throw it on the agenda and you can discuss

[2:43:26] it.

[2:43:27] Okay.And I'll be ready.

[2:43:27] Yeah, that sounds great if that's yeah.

[2:43:29] So just to be clear, it's

[2:43:31] to, to discuss the next meeting.

[2:43:34] Adding alternates to the M P C.

[2:43:37] Adding NAL adding NAL the N POC.

[2:43:39] I dunno how many.

[2:43:40] Yeah, but then the tricky part with that is I, I didn't notice

[2:43:44] I'm thinking about it now.

[2:43:45] Cuz that just, you know, that first I heard that.

[2:43:47] Yeah.

[2:43:47] Well, if the alternate shows an all three member shows, then it's a planning

[2:43:50] board meeting.

[2:43:50] Mm-hmm so one person couldn't, I.

[2:43:53] Mean the alternate could step out or just, yeah, just not be part of

[2:43:56] the board.

[2:43:57] I, I just worry about that.

[2:43:58] Cuz then it's a planning, you know, like then the, then you have a

[2:44:01] quorum that you.

[2:44:02] Know you can, so it is just, you just avoid subcommittees having a quorum

[2:44:06] of the main board.

[2:44:07] I think we can consult.

[2:44:07] I think that can be solved for.

[2:44:10] I think it'd be worthwhile getting M POC.

[2:44:13] Having a little more regularity in that meeting if the

[2:44:16] bill having, having more regularity in that meeting, if an alternate.

[2:44:18] Yeah.

[2:44:18] I mean, they, in all fairness, they, they, they met regularly.

[2:44:21] For a very long time and you know, and it, oh yes.

[2:44:24] You know, so, and sometimes so I, I don't think, I think it's fairly

[2:44:27] new that, you know, and it was the.

[2:44:30] Summer.

[2:44:30] Yeah.

[2:44:30] And it's been the summer and, and so forth.

[2:44:32] And there hasn't been a lot of business, you know, with, with them.

[2:44:36] So, and also just thinking ahead too, to like,

[2:44:38] future master plans and just making sure that that committee can work as well

[2:44:40] as it can.

[2:44:41] Well, future master plans is a different, different, whole different issue.

[2:44:44] That's a master plan steering committee.

[2:44:46] That's not the master plan oversight committee.

[2:44:48] Oh, I know, but I'm saying that's okay.

[2:44:49] Presuming the master plan oversight committee continues in the future.

[2:44:51] If that's structured in a way to give it success by having.

[2:44:55] Appropriate.

[2:44:57] People on it, appropriate number of people on it.

[2:45:00] Yeah.

[2:45:00] I mean, I, I, you know, I mean, I'm not trying to, you know

[2:45:03] argue like, but I think we've been very successful at the master plan.

[2:45:06] The 2018 master plan was great.

[2:45:08] We we're actually doing it again because we've either completed or.

[2:45:12] Working on every, every task in there.

[2:45:15] I don't know what other town ever did that.

[2:45:16] So I, well, I, you know, I agree where you go and I, you

[2:45:19] know yeah.

[2:45:20] But.

[2:45:20] Said, I, I think that was very successful, so, and we will continue to

[2:45:24] be, yeah, we can talk about that next one.

[2:45:25] Yeah.

[2:45:26] Can I ask for a question though?

[2:45:28] I just, now I'm confused.

[2:45:29] Are we looking to add.

[2:45:31] An alternate that we already have.

[2:45:34] No that they, they ask.

[2:45:35] And I gotta look into this cause I don't recommend subcommittees having quorums of

[2:45:41] boards.

[2:45:41] That's just.

[2:45:42] No, I get it just so I'm trying to understand where the extra alternate

[2:45:45] or the alternate he was asking alternate to the M P C.

[2:45:49] So a three member, M POC, still three members, but an alternate to fill

[2:45:54] in when a regular, one of the three regular members can't attend.

[2:45:58] I got that part.

[2:45:59] I just didn't know where the alternate was coming from.

[2:46:01] So it's separately planning, planning, I would imagine.

[2:46:03] Well, that's what I'm trying to clarify it.

[2:46:05] Would've to Sam.

[2:46:06] Could sorry, Sam, I'm not volunteering you, but I'm using you as a example

[2:46:12] If Sam wanted to fill that, it would be somebody.

[2:46:15] Already on the planning board.

[2:46:16] Oh yes.

[2:46:17] I forgot to say that's a great point.

[2:46:19] Okay.

[2:46:19] But I was just going, I do my report, the next slide board meeting

[2:46:22] and committees.

[2:46:22] Don't wanna get it.

[2:46:23] Straight the subcommittees are of the, from the board.

[2:46:27] Yeah, I here, I just wanna make sure we're all on the same table

[2:46:29] Yeah.

[2:46:29] You can't get a outside resident to.

[2:46:32] Act as an all.

[2:46:32] Thank you.

[2:46:33] But if you have to be, that's not what you were saying, but if

[2:46:35] you, no, I went to three people intendance just wanna make sure.

[2:46:38] And let's assume I'm the.

[2:46:40] Alternate.

[2:46:41] So Aaron calls me one month and says,

[2:46:44] gee, I've got an appointment.

[2:46:45] Can you.

[2:46:46] Be the alternate.

[2:46:47] Can you fill in for me?

[2:46:48] Yeah.

[2:46:50] The first thing I'm gonna say is, okay guys, what'd I miss.

[2:46:53] Right.

[2:46:53] I mean, why effective is that?

[2:46:56] Because I can't,

[2:46:58] I won't be up to speed.

[2:46:58] No continuity.

[2:46:59] Yes, no continuity.

[2:47:00] They're not televised.

[2:47:02] They're not recorded.

[2:47:03] No. Okay.

[2:47:05] So only meeting

[2:47:06] medicine's so big that you can't you're right.

[2:47:08] Well, you know what?

[2:47:09] We've got.

[2:47:10] Until the next meeting to figure out the logistics.

[2:47:13] Okay.

[2:47:13] Yeah, that's put it on.

[2:47:15] We'll put it on the agenda.

[2:47:16] We'll we'll have a discussion about it.

[2:47:19] Okay.

[2:47:19] If there's, and I'll research it a little bit this way, just to see

[2:47:22] Yes, but that's a really good point, Sam.

[2:47:26] But we'll figure out how to, how to make that work out better.

[2:47:30] Okay.

[2:47:31] Okay.

[2:47:32] Any field modifications?

[2:47:34] None requested none requested.

[2:47:37] No bond letter, letter, significant reductions of releases.

[2:47:41] None requested.

[2:47:42] Okay.

[2:47:44] I'm looking for a motion to.

[2:47:47] Ajour oh, I, one thing I wanted to make it a correction to the

[2:47:50] minutes.

[2:47:50] Cause we didn't discuss the minutes from the seven, nine meeting.

[2:47:53] When that's what I was just gonna bring up.

[2:47:54] We're not tonight.

[2:47:55] It's not, no, it's not.

[2:47:56] It's it's not up for discussion tonight.

[2:47:58] We're we're it's gonna be, you're gonna get 'em in your packet and.

[2:48:01] You'll discuss 'em on the 10th.

[2:48:02] Oh, okay.

[2:48:03] Yeah.

[2:48:04] I have some too.

[2:48:04] And I think Marty did so, but there are two there's this July 9th.

[2:48:09] And the sidewalk, the June 14th sidewalk.

[2:48:11] Yeah.

[2:48:11] There's two sets of minutes that didn't get on the agenda.

[2:48:13] We didn't post it.

[2:48:14] So we're just, we're putting it on September 10th.

[2:48:16] Got it.

[2:48:16] Thank you.

[2:48:18] Okay.

[2:48:19] Motion to adjourn.

[2:48:21] All right.

[2:48:22] Good second.

[2:48:22] Thank you very much for coming this evening, everybody.

[2:48:25] We stand adjourn.

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Planning Board - 08/27/26

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