[0:23] yes okay ready to roll right I'm sorry all right we'll move down now into the

[0:29] agenda on public comment is there anyone on Zoom uh or in the room that has any

[0:34] public comment on anything we're going to speak to tonight or anything

[0:39] regarding anything with the

[0:42] charter seeing none we'll move right into the discussion

[0:46] items um there's

[0:50] two bullet points that we' like to speak on tonight uh the first one is a review

[0:56] of the bylaws and Charter quantification uh since our last meeting

[1:00] and I believe it was one day last week was it last

[1:04] Thursday 21st 21st of August we we got a call from uh the Town Clerk and the Town

[1:12] Council to uh meet uh briefly to go over some uh

[1:16] questions they had on our document unannounced to me and maybe

[1:21] others knew this I didn't know this but they had sent um a document out to a I

[1:26] guess they Callin Steve knows better coding type company where they

[1:30] uh compare uh the document that we put

[1:34] forth and the documents that we have on file here in town with what the state

[1:38] has and make sure there's no discrepancies and in the um exercise of

[1:43] uh running through the chatter there were um just a couple of questions but

[1:49] there were enough that they wanted to bring us in there were more questions as

[1:51] it pertained to bylaws but that was outside of our

[1:55] scope uh so we met we met probably for the best part of an hour uh most of the

[2:00] um most of the um discrepancies were

[2:05] typographical maybe a word change a sh versus a May something along those

[2:12] lines um I think Steve corrected that um I don't know how we want deep we want to

[2:18] go on that but you know I think in all fness tell the whole committee oh you

[2:23] have we have them so the the committee has them yeah but I think what prompted

[2:28] us to go there I think the whole committee should know was it was at

[2:33] least P to me that that meeting that for whatever reason unfortunately for the

[2:40] most part of our work and maybe for last couple of years a document that was on

[2:45] the town website as aada was not actually the one that was presently on

[2:52] record at the state is that correct well not yeah it we don't know and Kelly may

[2:58] say that when she comes here she doesn't know where they got the charter they

[3:01] used to do the comparison because the charter that's

[3:06] the original the charter if if we took the charter off of the website at the

[3:10] beginning of this process it is without looking at it in every fine detail it is

[3:16] a match to what's on the articles of uh articles of um 2020 when the last

[3:24] Charter was approved by the legislature so it is pretty much in in a

[3:29] match the things that we're dealing with here is

[3:34] um is the fact that there is a definition and a use difference there is

[3:41] uh we need to recap we miss something to be capitalized in a certain paragraph

[3:47] and then there was the U fact that again a definition correct me if I'm wrong to

[3:53] there was multi versus multiple so that's the last item that we we have to

[3:58] do and then the very last one which I haven't done because it's it's again I

[4:03] think it's a typographical is there's a definition of bylaws how it's spelled

[4:09] and we use it in two different ways within the charter by hyphen law laws or

[4:15] bylaw with no hyphen and the definition if I'm correct Steve is by with no

[4:21] hyphen right that was how we had right so we need to fix that and to me that's

[4:26] a grammatical issue uh the issue of the mismatch between what they were using

[4:30] the Cod to do the codification review on is a separate issue in my opinion away

[4:36] from what we're doing that Kelly needs to understand where they got their

[4:40] version of the charter to do that because I was given a change document by

[4:46] them through Kelly and I looked at it not in every little you know in

[4:52] int but it looks like what is on the website matches the state

[5:00] is it related how is it related to what we've got here as our current you're

[5:03] talking about our current Charter it's all this codification thing Marthur

[5:08] remember when Kelly came in the beginning she talked about there was

[5:11] this effort to have this company look at the bylaws look at the charter and then

[5:16] create this searchable document so my question is um when you're talking about

[5:22] a charter you're talking about the current Charter this one right and the

[5:26] question am I right is is is this the same as what's on our town

[5:33] website yes yes we started from what was on our town website but the state was

[5:38] using a current Charter that we don't know where it's from no no the state and

[5:42] our our Charter that's on our website from my from my review appears to be in

[5:48] a match there was this Charter that was used by this company and it's not clear

[5:54] where they got it from because they came back with all these like for example

[5:59] they said it says town of Plymouth comma Mass on

[6:03] their version it didn't have Massachusetts on our version it did and

[6:07] on the version that's on the website that's just an example it did so that's

[6:11] for Kelly to deal with to figure out what they use for the

[6:15] comparison Michelle just said that Kelly may drop in very early in the meeting

[6:19] and she might be able to add some light I was just worried that um there was

[6:23] more to it as it turns out there really wasn't any thing but as a Committee

[6:28] Member you should know that that

[6:34] you've been talking

[6:37] about just now arrived thank you for joining us we're actually talking about

[6:41] the coding issue so so I have great news for you

[6:45] guys well you want to add your question first before she has great news you want

[6:48] to wait well it's not a question it's a

[6:53] comment based on what you just said about spelling errors or whatever

[6:59] scriveners errors whatever they're called and this issue with did they have

[7:04] the right shter did they have the wrong shter you did you had the right shter

[7:08] well that's good okay okay I can't imagine you spend an hour talking about

[7:12] all that well we talked there was a lot of other things oh there's other things

[7:19] well I don't know if there was other things you don't think think that

[7:22] deserve to be spoken about and make sure we ironed it out you don't think that we

[7:25] should have spoken about that and got it ironed out make sure we had the right

[7:28] one no just no kneejerk reaction that we spoke about it because we now know that

[7:35] we have the right document at that point that's important at that point we did

[7:40] not know that the documents matched and so our discussion included questions

[7:45] about what would happen or what we would need to do in the event that they did

[7:50] not match so we were planning for a further

[7:54] meeting in and details in the event that was necessary it has turned out

[7:59] fortunately that it is not necessary yeah I'm still trying to find

[8:04] out how the vendor had the incorrect chter because everything that I say

[8:08] looked at over the last since I've emailed you shows that they I don't know

[8:13] where they got it because I wouldn't have emailed them the version that they

[8:17] suppose that they had and yeah so pric is somewhat averted but

[8:24] we it was good to me um part of the other reason why we met um during that

[8:29] time too is there were 10 comments that the vendor had one was the fact that

[8:34] there's only a certain way you can um make amendments to the chter which we

[8:39] were aware of two that there might be some slight warding changes which we

[8:43] figured out what that was um another one was the chart the definitions for

[8:50] precincts um originally it just said precincts the definition is the area

[8:55] Town divided by groups and I'm not sure I'm paraphrasing here cuz I'm not sure

[9:00] the exact language and they recommended that we had for voting purposes and you

[9:05] guys had already done that so that was perfect um they made some

[9:10] recommendations there's two parts of the charter that says you need either 100

[9:14] signatures to get uh um an article placed on the warrant if it's a special

[9:21] town meeting and 10 if it's an annual town meeting like if a citizen's

[9:25] petition like you need 10 or 100 depending on what the meeting is and

[9:29] they wanted to add more language that refer to the to the law the Mass General

[9:34] law that says or 20% whichever is lower and we're thinking

[9:41] 220% of the voters here in Plymouth will never

[9:45] be 200 100 or 10 so we decided to leave that language out so this was the type

[9:52] of work that this vendor is doing for us um there was precincts there was um oh

[9:57] one thing about select board um sometimes it said Selectmen in the in

[10:02] the charter and they recommended that you make it more gender neutral for

[10:06] select board which you guys had already done so many so many of the things that

[10:11] and that's what I also reviewed with them during that time so we I wanted to

[10:15] make sure that everybody was on the same page there was something about

[10:18] multi-member body versus multi-member boarding committee thing and um we I

[10:25] think you guys made that change based on grammar

[10:30] um and then the LA I think the last thing was something about established

[10:33] policies and it should be established uh process not established

[10:39] process so those were the 10 things that they came up the vendor also look just

[10:44] as a side note the vendor also looked at the bylaws and we have 170 of those that

[10:49] we need to review there I've got a group of people reviewing those with me to

[10:53] make the decision so the really good news is except for those one or two

[10:57] things that I mentioned um that they questioned or or had a recommendation on

[11:02] changing you guys based on everything that Michelle and I were able to do

[11:06] today you guys did work with the original documents so your Redline

[11:10] document as soon as you have it up to date I highly recommend that you get it

[11:14] on the website because people have been asking for

[11:19] it sounds good I just have one quick follow question from on meeting you had

[11:24] um emailed the coding company for anything additional you sent the email

[11:29] out to us copy I got didn't have any additional red lines is that because

[11:33] everything else passed with flying colors but is there anything the

[11:37] document that I sent out was Redline that showed what the difference is

[11:41] between what they what the chart whatever version Charter they were

[11:44] looking at and the one that was on the State website so it wasn't really a red

[11:49] line it was just showing differences the differences it's not an edit it's just a

[11:53] comparison although maybe I misread it it said the following document or the

[11:57] attached document yeah any any any other problems of red line

[12:01] and I didn't see any red lines right so I assumed it you know it's funny that

[12:05] you say that Alan because mine came out as red line but Michelle's came out blue

[12:10] and red like hers came out blue so like I had to literally go and look at

[12:15] Michelle's computer to make sure that we were looking at it the same way mine was

[12:19] the same as mine was just black you know traditional writing writing there was no

[12:23] really no red L but you got it right Len well let's see because I got it right

[12:28] here I was happy but I don't want to really

[12:32] mess around hopefully it passed let me do something here before I

[12:37] get into let me share

[12:48] [Music] my um Just sh the whole D

[12:54] screen so this is the document that you sent in that email right

[12:59] so anything that was in blue is what the differences were yeah I did perceive

[13:04] this as a as a red line this was just showing you the differences in the

[13:10] comparison so with it's all I'm I'm the same as Alan's I saw neither comments

[13:15] nor the comparison okay that's really weird so it might have been the way you

[13:20] opened up the document if you want if you didn't look it up under review well

[13:24] you have to look at it depends on what platform you on on the Mac you have to

[13:27] go in and underview return on tracking and that'll show what's here on the

[13:32] right hand side but when I looked at this and I looked at the state and I

[13:36] looked at the the version off of the website it became clear for me without

[13:42] talking to Kelly that the document they used came from somewhere yeah I have no

[13:46] idea where from you know no idea but the good the good news bad news is that was

[13:51] just the chart portion the bylaws is what they were using so um and that and

[13:57] that was the one that was most important for at least in my for this project for

[14:01] me was the bylaws because we have some conflicts with the bylaws and I'm just

[14:05] trying to get them codified so they look very neat in

[14:11] particular okay are we good Kelly Kelly it's Michelle we also had the one

[14:18] comment on the school committee to change from um to the State Board of

[14:23] Elementary and secondary education I'm going to show those uh Michelle I'm

[14:28] going to show the right now okay the chter right now says State Board of

[14:33] Education and currently Massachusetts doesn't have a state board of education

[14:37] we have a state board of Elementary and secondary

[14:42] education so it's just again mostly grammar which is why as a practice we

[14:48] took out all references to state laws because state laws bodies change

[14:53] regularly and we don't want our Charter to be out of date every time the state

[14:58] decides it one wants to move something from one section to

[15:03] another okay any sounds good so I think we're good with that issue thank you for

[15:09] your cooperation I I did a little bit of a panic at first too but it was good to

[15:13] bring people in and talk and understand exactly what was happening so that was

[15:17] great and Michelle thanks for your help today welcome all right thank you very

[15:22] much you're welcome some more

[15:27] ballots all right well that um is there any further questions or did the town

[15:32] clerk clear everything up for anyone that's just hearing about that M go

[15:36] right ahead can I just introduce Kate Brown who is sitting behind me and she

[15:40] is filling in for lle Lawrence who is usually here observing the on the Char

[15:47] oh very very nice to meet you nice to meet you I've attended one of your

[15:50] meetings previous to this time so and I'm sorry Pate that I didn't let you

[15:55] know about the changeing room oh that's all right you weren't waiting room

[16:00] paying attention to the select board meeting it's like really yes well

[16:05] attended so the the follow up on what Kelly just said if you look here if you

[16:10] can see it I can try to make it a little bit

[16:13] larger a lot logger please Lyn

[16:18] okay so you see what says State Board of Education what Kelly's comment was is

[16:24] you know that changes like the wind it's now the State Board of what elementary

[16:28] and Elementary uh not even it's the department of Elementary and secondary

[16:33] secondary it's not yeah so on Steve suggestion when Steve's suggestion is we

[16:39] got rid of that and put a a kind of a general term called Commonwealth so that

[16:44] way if tomorrow they change it then we don't have to change it and then the

[16:48] next day if they change it we don't have to change it so that's what we did there

[16:52] so our you looking at 24826 uh-huh and what page is that

[17:00] okay I'm going to go down if you look at the stuff that we got from the in our

[17:04] packet there's a list of those changes on this little change form I did it that

[17:08] way to make it easier to uh to find

[17:20] it so are we using that phrase oh right down here and in B uh yes in oh actually

[17:28] in yes in B that's correct Mar so you should actually have a strikeout Len you

[17:33] have the red but you don't have the strikeout all right I'll fix that I

[17:36] won't do it here but I'll do

[17:42] it so that's the only place well no that's the first

[17:53] um Comm wealth remains right the we don't have to refer to

[17:59] Board of Education or Department it do exist Elementary and no because the

[18:03] problem is if you do it if you did the new one and then tomorrow they change it

[18:07] and then the the charter is out of out of out of compliance with what it's

[18:11] called so this way it allows the come to do whatever the heck they want and we

[18:15] just will support whatever the commw says and that's basically I think that

[18:20] solves that problem this is one of those cases where

[18:23] you get too specific and just it's a never ending battle to keep it up today

[18:30] so the next one is on page

[18:38] 14 are you guys going to take votes on each or wrap one vote on at the end I

[18:44] think we'll do one at the end I I think we can do all at one time the uh the

[18:49] page of uh requested uh correction we'll do it we'll do as a as a whole is that

[18:53] all right with the committee I think that's fine thank

[18:58] thank you thank

[19:01] you I don't know what this thing is possessed so you've already made this

[19:05] correction um so here in 241 it should be in blue I made it blue I don't know

[19:11] why it's not in blue but that's another story but this right here if we go look

[19:15] at what was here town meeting was not capitalized so that's the second point

[19:20] on page 14 okay okay all the way to page 36 so if

[19:26] we go all the way to page

[19:34] 36 if we went back to the definitions and I'm not going to drag this all the

[19:38] way back there you see that the definition is multiple not

[19:45] multi hang

[19:49] on this is the easiest way to do

[19:53] it

[19:57] okay so

[20:01] in

[20:06] 622 I'm blind when I can't

[20:12] do I went too far I say page 36 yeah sorry my

[20:24] bad sorry it it's a page break different

[20:29] that that thing we put on the front of it is just been causing us habit with

[20:32] pay but we'll fix it so you see there multi in this case is taken out and the

[20:39] board commissioning committee was taken out so that it's generic so it would be

[20:44] multiple member B and the reason and the reason that we

[20:49] did that if you look at my try to make it easy in our existing our definitions

[20:54] and this is an existing definition in our existing current Charter

[20:59] we Define multiple member body as any board commission committee subcommittee

[21:05] Etc consisting of multiple persons I remember noticing that and thought well

[21:09] guess I'm not gonna follow up on that little detail but here it came up here

[21:13] it came up so we decided Well we might as well be consistent with our own

[21:19] definitions well ahead Mr H multiple member on page

[21:26] four is

[21:34] they're not supposed to do that I'm just kidding but on page 36

[21:40] it's not well we can fix that let's not what we hph it or not don't I don't

[21:47] think it needs a hyphen I wouldn't do so then we would take hyphen out of the

[21:51] definitions yeah well that one and here it's twice in that same

[21:58] definition right I I agree with taking it

[22:02] out I

[22:11] know defin

[22:15] AG H4 thank you Larry and Robin

[22:23] huh Larry and Rob are NE here so what we did here just to finish up that

[22:29] conversation on 622 we had put in some new language and I just took the

[22:34] language and I didn't strike it and add it I just basically updated it to match

[22:40] what we had decided which is multiple member body without a

[22:46] hyphen

[22:52] okay and then the last thing we were told when we met with um Kelly and Kate

[22:59] and syia was under definitions there's the term

[23:04] bylaw which is back on page four by uh definition

[23:10] a and if you search if I could do it now for if you wanted me to but you have to

[23:15] believe me that you'll see that it's spelled in two different ways bylaw with

[23:19] a hyphen and bylaw without a hyphen so the question is what do we

[23:25] want it to be and I will we'll fix it so that consistent throughout the

[23:30] document well since we took it out of H is there any reason we need it in the

[23:36] word bylaw no okay I have no person I recommend we take it out we merely kept

[23:41] it that way because it's it's hyphenated in our current

[23:45] Charter that's so where in the current Charter

[23:51] consistent nothing in our current TR is completely consistent oh but we we but

[23:57] we and we weren't consistent either we weren no well because a lot of the times

[24:02] we left language that was in the existing Charter and it didn't do it

[24:06] either but yeah well I don't know so it's bylaw with no space or bylaws with

[24:13] no space because I think I saw somewhere it said by hyphen laws so either case

[24:17] it's got to be no space no hyphen uh no capitalization right I would do that so

[24:25] that's that is the the the the things that came out of

[24:30] that meeting the reason we're here tonight is to basically um approve those

[24:36] changes and U because we in Wikipedia and what oxgen dictionary

[24:47] Ty Mike you can't be Larry can't be what you can't be Larry

[24:51] well I'm not listening to Wikipedia I am more concerned about what the OED or uh

[24:57] or Miriam ERS does say so if you're telling me the Oxford English Dictionary

[25:03] hyphenates it they hyphenated I'm fine with taking

[25:08] hph out I just was curious sorry didn't want to confus what does it say it's

[25:14] hyphenated in the two examples U both the English and the British using it as

[25:18] a noun they when they use it in a sentence it's hyphenated all the time

[25:21] and when you look up just byow with that a hyphen what do you get it's got a DOT

[25:25] which I think that's just syllables doesn't have I can't see that yeah no he

[25:31] no I understand it's not but uh it's a DOT and I don't want to I don't want to

[25:35] confuse the argument but say it a dot but when they use it in the sentence

[25:39] it's used um hyphen yeah but that's same well yeah I'll take back my motion I

[25:47] don't mind sticking with the The Hyphen we can leave The Hyphen I think for

[25:51] bylaw given that it it's both in our existing starter and

[25:59] there is grammatical support to leave it that way right whereas multiple member

[26:06] body that's not a common phrase that would require that that it has a

[26:12] standardization of a hen anyway so we're going to say that we're

[26:17] going to have it say by hyen law or by hyphen laws on all occurrences yes okay

[26:29] so with that I make a motion that the committee accepts the changes as just

[26:34] discussed to import with the comments made by the code

[26:42] committee referred that the town referred the charter

[26:48] to not the seconds it any further discussion I don't take a vote at this

[26:54] time you want to read the roll call Steve yes

[26:58] Allen yes Michael y myself yes and Marthur yes okay so one

[27:06] two three four five I was laughing because on page 4 under D it says unless

[27:12] otherwise provided by law and I started to put a hyphen

[27:18] in hey guys just to let you know roll call is not needed everyone is is live

[27:22] no one no members are online good point thank you Michelle

[27:28] forgot about that all right so that takes care of the first um line item on

[27:33] the agenda we're set with the code um enforcement and now we're going to go

[27:38] and talk about um the actual articles that we

[27:44] um the language of of the prop time meeting articles and

[27:50] presentation I I do have a concern um before we talk about the Articles

[27:56] because um I thought that we had to vote on be before our com committee has to

[28:06] vote on I thought it was our proposed

[28:12] Charter before we submit articles for the

[28:19] warrant well that's not that's not I that cross my mind as well that's not

[28:23] entirely the case we can submit we voted on everything that every substantive

[28:28] thing that we have on the document I turned in we voted on so the doc when

[28:33] you're saying document are you talking about um the one that was the most

[28:38] recent which was uh 24 M I think mine was

[28:44] dated um it would have would had a week BS date on it but up until as long as

[28:51] the and it was explained to us by the assistant Town manager as long as

[28:55] everything's still in a draft motion which it is until I believe tomorrow

[28:59] until fincom okay that um if if um if there's

[29:06] any question um we can change things and or vote on it if there's any question

[29:12] now you have a concern on it so we can do that this evening we can vote on the

[29:16] language of the uh articles but we they're in compliance with the town

[29:20] right now as it say instead Mr Bolton right ahead just to add I I

[29:26] Know M question about voting on the charter is is that what people are

[29:33] saying that we didn't vote on and we should vote on no they're saying because

[29:37] Town policy is no it's the Articles what's that part no it's the Articles

[29:41] it's not and so we're talking about these correct because we actually aren't

[29:47] presenting a charter to town meeting what we are doing is we are presenting

[29:53] our recommended changes to the Charter so we don't actually present them with a

[29:59] charter like saying here's the charter we're proposing vote Yes or No we're

[30:04] proposing individualized changes which again is why it makes sense to which is

[30:10] why when they're presented to town meeting it's not presented as just one

[30:13] thing here's the charter agree or disagree it's here are changes that

[30:19] we've made so for example the language that's showed up in the current draft

[30:25] warrant this that as you are looking at was not something that we did at all

[30:30] that was something that the assistant Town manager did so the processes that

[30:35] has been explain to us is that we make recommendations to the assistant Town

[30:39] manager these by recommendations you mean this we recommend the language for

[30:44] the Articles correct this though yes we're not talking about no no we're not

[30:51] talking about the document anymore we're now talking about the Articles we make

[30:55] recommendations for the language of the Articles to the assistant Town manager

[30:59] the assistant Town manager drafts what the assistant man Town manager believes

[31:03] to be appropriate and those are finally determined by the advisory and finance

[31:09] committee so that was what we were supposed to vote on there's no

[31:14] requirement that we there's no requirement that we vote on anything

[31:17] what the requirement of the select board is is that all articles the substance of

[31:23] the Articles be approved by the committee not necessarily the language

[31:28] that goes forward in terms of describing it but the substance of the Articles

[31:33] which in this case is the substance of the proposed changes all of which this

[31:37] committee has voted we voted on every line in that

[31:41] document so that is the vote that those votes are

[31:48] considered to be the votes of the committee on the in that I'm looking for

[31:53] I've got a note here someplace that says what the um select regulation is I

[31:59] thought I had it anyway sb10 or for

[32:06] I I guess I didn't bring it with me so

[32:13] um but that said so so our our votes are separate all the votes that we took

[32:20] those are our votes those are our votes the committee has voted yes now that

[32:24] said there's nothing wrong with saying we are with if people are uncomfortable

[32:29] as one member who is not present here tonight has said he wanted us as a

[32:34] committee to vote on the recommended language that we are putting forth and

[32:40] again we can vote on the recommended language and I have no objection to that

[32:43] the recomend different of the Articles oh correct that said however we can

[32:50] recommend whatever we want and both the assistant Town manager and the advisory

[32:55] and finance committee can change it change it the way they like it so so we

[32:59] will be voting on our recommendations but we're not voting on article language

[33:03] because we don't make that final determination okay thank you Mr Dan so

[33:08] um maybe you can clarify something or I'm confused because the warrant is the

[33:14] selectman's warrant not the finance committee's

[33:19] warrant so wouldn't it be up to the selectman to approve this language

[33:26] before it goes to the to this um finance committee or the town meeting or

[33:34] anything because the advisory and finance committee

[33:39] presents the Articles to town meeting again we're now talking about the

[33:46] difference between the article and the language describing the

[33:52] article so in this instance the article the substance of of the article is is

[33:58] the recommended changes by this committee to town meeting the select

[34:05] board will agree or disagree in terms of presenting the whether those articles go

[34:11] forward to town meeting again assuming of course that it's not a Citizens

[34:17] petition where they no longer have that right under our Charter but in terms of

[34:24] the language describing that article to town meeting all of the articles are

[34:30] presented to town meeting via the advisory and finance committee so they

[34:36] actually have the final say in terms of how they describe the

[34:41] article to down meeting town meeting right so again their motion right it is

[34:49] their motion so they're the people get up before town

[34:53] meeting they say to the chair hereby moves that town meeting do this this

[34:58] this this and this that is their description now they may accept or not

[35:03] accept our recommendation in terms of description but it is their

[35:07] determination all right but that said because Mr Hutchinson had concerns about

[35:14] that he said fine let's if we wish to vote on the draft language our proposed

[35:20] language we can certainly do that well that being said as an exercise do you m

[35:26] would you be comfortable if we went through this

[35:28] uh first article and and and voted the five of us vot you mean Article 19

[35:33] Charter this will be 19 right well again I don't know how much made it on the N

[35:39] none of it so Marthur this is their draft this is again this was simply and

[35:43] I'm I'm G to call this essentially almost a

[35:46] placeholder I think this my husband got from me member this is the yeah exactly

[35:52] and but it's still a draft the final article has not come out they sent out a

[35:57] draft War warrant but that's what it is it is still a draft warrant but M's

[36:00] right everybody's probably already seen this but we have assigned to us Article

[36:03] 19 through 29 is that correct that is correct all right so we can from now on

[36:09] call them that or we can go one through 11 how we have been in

[36:14] our I mean I'm not I I again I just simply prepared it because when we

[36:19] drafted it it was I didn't know it or not we didn't have our numbers ex right

[36:23] have no fault of yours I think it's I just didn't want to confuse anyone do we

[36:26] want to change probably right these numbers numbers yeah these numbers

[36:32] actually are not correct I I think to simplify this I don't think we should be

[36:37] focusing on what was delivered I think this was the document

[36:42] that uh this document is in our package is this is this your words is this those

[36:48] are my well that's something else I so that's that's what is coming out of the

[36:53] committee what happens to it after coming out of the committee is really of

[36:57] our control right well I'm just talking

[37:01] about this I understand that that's what I'm saying is we should not be trying to

[37:05] vote on that because we didn't create that somebody else created that we

[37:09] should vote and and I'm not recommending that either answer okay I whether

[37:14] tribute were comfortable or not comfortable can I see that Mar i' I've

[37:17] been comfortable with the explanation both from the to assistant Town manager

[37:22] but for just Clarity sake I think this is what came out of our committee right

[37:26] this is what we should say as a committee we approve this to be

[37:30] forwarded to the appropriate person to do the whatever they're going to do with

[37:34] it because we have no control of that that's not our document we didn't create

[37:38] that if it's exactly what we this document that came out of committee then

[37:44] that so be it but we don't have any control over that the numbering of it

[37:47] the verbiage of it if they change one little thing that's their prerogative we

[37:53] don't have so now do we want to talk about this then correct yes all right

[37:57] I'm I'm this is the thing that basically was in our packet it was yes it's in our

[38:02] packet tonight yes you sure put it in our packet this evening right it looks

[38:07] like this okay I think that's what we should

[38:12] fold make it's the same one you have probably it is

[38:16] good all right so do we want to concentrate and run through these make

[38:19] sure everybody's happy with um oh uh first of all I I don't

[38:25] remember and so refreshed my mind for that's why I was wondering if we would

[38:30] have the minutes did did we as a committee ask a group of people or Steve

[38:38] to write this or how did this come to be we needed to submit something so yeah

[38:44] know I I asked um so so our committee never said oh we want to have something

[38:49] like this that's what I don't remember we were down to the wire that

[38:54] we had to submit the articles I believe Al and Steve came to the decision and

[39:00] Steve took it took on the responsibility to write the language of the Articles so

[39:05] was this before you met we've had it this was this was always intended to be

[39:10] a draft to be presented but yes it was always intended to be discussed with the

[39:16] committee yeah yeah there's no problem so it is a draft but prior to the

[39:20] closing of August 9th and I did what you did you I pulled up the selectman

[39:25] procedures it called for brief description uh a couple days before I I

[39:30] read that now we weren't having a meeting but discussing it with Steve

[39:34] Steve volunteered to to put um an an an explanation of each of the 11 articles

[39:40] which is what appears here I don't think the assistant Town manager has added

[39:45] this attracted to this to know did he no the assistant Town manager at this point

[39:49] has just put on so he's moved at that okay he's just put this sort of very

[39:54] generic statement okay for each of these just to say will you accept these the

[40:00] changes in this this and that's and treating it like a placeholder with the

[40:05] expectation that we would Brian but he explained to me and maybe Steve and Len

[40:09] were in the room as well but as long as everything's still a

[40:12] draft which it is if we want to we can go back and look at things so it was for

[40:16] the meeting when the Articles who was at the

[40:21] meet or you why why why did you have a meeting or was there was not a meeting

[40:26] when wait minut we're confusing sorry I'm going to stop here we're confusing

[40:30] things the meeting we had with Sylvio and uh Kate and and had nothing to do

[40:36] with the Artic that was the code that was the code right had nothing to do

[40:38] with the Articles it just was a a side conversation but he he had expressed

[40:42] during that time that we can still submit further requested langu Sylvio

[40:49] yes submitting of the Articles was simply I went in on a Friday prior to

[40:53] the deadline brought him a hard copy of all the work we did in the chter this uh

[41:00] summary and breakdown of the individual articles that was for

[41:05] Sylvio submitted actually got this correct so

[41:11] he read this whether he read it or not we don't know no I'm sure he did he

[41:17] certainly he certainly did not put it into anything formal at this point and

[41:21] and to the committee and Steve credit he did send me an email

[41:25] saying everything that we submitted to him

[41:27] saved him a ton of work because it was in it was in great order he had no

[41:31] problem with our with our uh submitt okay so now so now our committee is

[41:37] going to look at it right yes we can look at it now and if Steve knows I

[41:40] already made some suggestions that's we can talk about and that's is it a time

[41:44] to do it because we have time um but why don't we talk about your

[41:49] suggestion okay um well let's go or however you want let's go one at a time

[41:53] just to make sure go through we get them out of the way the the article what was

[41:57] marked as article one which would now become Article 19 that's correct so do

[42:01] we need to change that he will change that but we'll change that in the

[42:06] language but yes so my other question is before we go one by one who's going to

[42:12] be reading this what is this for what's Sy going to do with it this will be the

[42:16] final language of the submission to town meeting and this will be it'll go in the

[42:21] packet well again this is our recommendation to Sylvio Sylvio will

[42:25] then take our recommendation and do with it again as he believes appropriate put

[42:30] it forth so that that goes to advisory and finance committee which will then

[42:35] make its final right and which will then make its final statement as to how this

[42:42] yes well that yes and it will make its final statement as to how it wishes to

[42:47] describe the proposed changes to town meeting okay and I think correct me if

[42:53] I'm wrong this would be on the colored piece of paper in the book prior to

[42:56] every article where it says you know uh this this finance committee is putting

[43:01] this motion forward this might be a description of it may see it there

[43:06] depending if this language survives or maybe finc Alters it but you probably

[43:10] see the best part of the body of this work show up in the book okay okay thank

[43:15] you I broken up individually you won't see it in this three four page backage

[43:19] you'll see it broken up 11 times my guess would be but let's go through and

[43:23] make sure if there's any changes we get to control them so if you have changes

[43:27] go right ahead are there any changes in the new Article

[43:32] 19 um that's the one on reordering yeah and that's the one um

[43:39] that I so the audience are town meeting members correct okay and um and I I

[43:46] think we have to be clearer than this about the fact that for instance I added

[43:54] as this as a fourth point here something like this article 19 includes changing

[44:04] the order of legislative and executive branches and replaces executive branch

[44:10] wording with townwide elected board and office

[44:15] holders I think it is now and takes moderator out of the

[44:22] legislature the um legislative branch but isn't that isn't that in an

[44:29] article for that particular chapter it is and also my concern is that's just

[44:34] that suggests that we're those are the only changes we've made dozens of other

[44:40] changes we've moved Town manager out of some but that's not in there should be

[44:45] part of well and we've eliminated the references to departments and that's not

[44:50] going to be in there and we changed in Article 19 in Article 19 in so

[44:57] you will one of the reasons that I wanted to try and make this clearer and

[45:01] more concise is I did not want to repeat what ended up happening the last time

[45:06] the charter commission committee came forth and every article had every little

[45:11] detail in there uh I'm trusting that again first of all this is just in re

[45:17] this is just reordering so this literally said this is not telling

[45:21] people go look at every this is everything that was reordered we created

[45:27] new categories we added new respons we moved a lot of things around if you if

[45:33] you start listing them you've got to list everything and it's too long to

[45:37] list everything well that is a very significant

[45:42] change and and I think that one we two is is important but it's in the it's in

[45:49] the article about that chapter so what I think what Steve is

[45:54] trying is is is saying to you and that what iar here is that if you just hear

[45:58] me for a second if you start putting about what we

[46:02] reordered then that L that article will essentially be

[46:09] um a duplication of the other articles okay well we go on another no let me

[46:16] just finish let me finish this is just talking about the fact that we did a

[46:20] reorder didn't say how we reordered it said that we did reorder and I I agree

[46:26] with you we need to to make it clear what we reordered but I think we do that

[46:30] on a chapter by chapter basis not in this General article that talks about we

[46:36] did this major reorder and I also think about when we

[46:41] go and we we present these to the various committees a&f copc select

[46:47] board the discussion about that as part of the presentation to get people to

[46:52] adopt it is talking about that I don't think the article has to have this

[46:58] particular article has to have all that's just my opinion of it I

[47:01] understand what you're saying I just think it has already been covered in F

[47:05] those changes have been covered in future articles okay let me ask you this

[47:09] mother what what is your fourth bullet in its

[47:12] entirety actually this for Article 19 that you like to inter

[47:18] um that the

[47:25] um the uh word was changed from leg legislative and executive were

[47:31] flip-flopped no the town moderator section is in the legislative branch

[47:37] chapter of our current Charter not in the chapter with select board well

[47:42] that's my argument right um so three sub this is where I

[47:49] rewarded most recently three substantive changes are noted in the table of cont

[47:56] as noted in the table of contents are one renaming the currently renamed

[48:02] currently named Executive Branch the townwide elected boards and office

[48:08] holders as well as two switching the order of that newly

[48:14] named chapter would be legislative branch and three moving the moderator

[48:21] section from the legislative branch chapter to the townwide elected boards

[48:26] and offic holders

[48:30] chapter so that is what my recommendation would be to add to

[48:35] Article 19 but I'm fully agreeable to keep going through our um review here

[48:43] and maybe I'll see it as you do well that's that's a very good idea if you're

[48:48] if you're comfortable with that we'll go on and see if your uh concerns get

[48:52] addressed in the Articles where that happens okay and I I do want to note

[48:56] that I I did agree with you in terms of making sure that in each article that

[49:01] the chapter name appear and I and I spoke to Sy conveyed that

[49:06] to and he had said that he he would do that so we would make sure that that's

[49:11] the case because I think that will to some degree also help clarify so when

[49:15] people see the name they will know the name whether it's changed or not right

[49:20] because we changed the name of almost every chapter

[49:25] actually and all right then with that we we'll put a we'll put a pin in 19 uh

[49:30] article 20 um as it reads the summary there any

[49:37] any concerns or additions or emissions for

[49:45] 20 none will um want to vote on them individually you want to vote on it as

[49:51] what's your thoughts well I think since since for for Martha she wanted to go

[49:55] through all of it first I would say we should wait and go through all of them

[49:59] and then we can then decide if we want to vote on them individually but I like

[50:03] all right no that's fine with me I think go through them all first before we do

[50:07] any Ming it appears there's nothing that we'll have to come back to off article

[50:11] 20 at least this stage all right article 21 uh to make changes to the reorder

[50:17] chapter two of this will be this should start to get into what you

[50:21] hope chapter two of the Plymouth Town chatter is recommended by the CH Review

[50:26] Committee the reor je groups together all townwide elected bodies and

[50:32] offices in addition to grammatical changes and removing references to

[50:36] representative town meeting members which are instead moved to the chapter

[50:41] dedicated to the legislative branch of town government the substantive

[50:45] recommended changes are as follows select boy no substantive changes are

[50:50] recommended in this chapter planning board changes are recommended to the

[50:54] planning board to authorize the expansion of the role of the associate

[50:58] member in the absence of an elected member and to provide for the regular

[51:02] updating and oversight of the community master

[51:07] plan school committee same outle the change is recommended to remove the

[51:13] requirement that the school committee be responsible for the maintenance and

[51:17] management of school facilities and wrapping up uh Town moderator no

[51:22] substantive changes are recommended in this chapter

[51:27] um Mr H so we just had a precin PO this last

[51:34] week there's a lot of conversation about the school

[51:37] committee and uh an issue about consolidation of

[51:43] services and uh so this says the school committee is

[51:49] responsible for the mains and management of school facilities is that by state

[51:54] law no it's not no no it's not it was actually the

[51:59] one when you look at our Charter it identifies four things that the school

[52:03] committee does current our current Charter the first three are state law

[52:09] the fourth one about management of facilities is not a state law

[52:13] requirement that's good well that was also it wouldn't

[52:17] prevent

[52:20] consolidation okay got

[52:25] it any further questions on what is now article

[52:31] 21 I'm thinking back from 19 do you see anything in

[52:36] this um that you could maybe break up your uh Corrections and and add

[52:41] something to this chat uh this article or do you feel comfortable with article

[52:46] 21 oh wait have my numbers right here you don't have to answer now I just

[52:53] was wondering if this might be some way where you can um for for example put

[52:57] something in there for example if if you're concerned if we say Town moderate

[53:00] we say no substantive changes are recommended in this chapter uh however

[53:05] the town moderator has been moved from the chapter with the legislative branch

[53:11] so that way it's clearly identified it's addressed and you break

[53:15] it up a little bit that's

[53:19] all so um is that the chapter

[53:27] in our current Charter yes

[53:33] the moderator was with legislative right so we say but the moderator but the

[53:39] moderator position that would be chapter two

[53:42] right yeah which is now has been changed from legislative

[53:49] has been moved I don't want to see it change because that's change is

[53:53] different moved um

[53:57] from from the

[54:01] chapter the chapter see on I would would um delete

[54:08] the first line know substance of Chang that's

[54:13] important because that is that is the case we have not made any substantive

[54:18] changes to the definition of or or the role of the moderator as defined in our

[54:23] Charter in our current Charter we have not changed that

[54:26] and I agree with that so it's a it's a an agreement of or a disagreement on

[54:33] what the word substantive means to the person reading like to the town meeting

[54:41] member um and to me that would be very

[54:46] confusing I would say why does it say no substantive changes and then it tells

[54:50] about a change so it's hard for for me to

[54:57] discriminate between what you consider the substantive change and what I

[55:02] consider substantive in terms of you know

[55:07] General right so my my sentence my using the word

[55:13] substantive as I understand the word a substantive change changes the substance

[55:20] the the that would be the The Authority the responsibilities the obligations the

[55:27] substance of the position we didn't change the substance of the position we

[55:32] merely located it in a different portion of the

[55:37] charter right and um that can be interpreted in various ways well and

[55:44] changing where items are in a charter in the table contents and what they're

[55:51] associated with can appear at the least

[55:56] to be change that is and I I'm not going to use the word substantial but

[56:04] important it is different it is I it's beyond my imagination why we would ever

[56:11] put the moderator in

[56:15] with um the executive or the townwide bodies that's like um as I said before

[56:23] that could something could be what are townwide elected bodies that

[56:28] could be in a in the guide but um the fact that when you read about what the

[56:37] town moderator does the four items or whatever it is five items it's all about

[56:43] the legislature so it's to me it's a major

[56:47] change to change the moderator to that so so I I would be happy if we

[56:57] didn't have the sentence no substantive changes okay

[57:01] so just explain what we did right I I realized I was in the minority of that

[57:06] vote I just want to make sure that town meeting members

[57:13] understand I understand that that change is there right first of all I do not

[57:18] believe the town moderator part of the legislature he's not he's not he doesn't

[57:23] vote on anything he's just the ring leader the can't vote on it will hang on

[57:29] hang on by law hang if I understand that correctly actually the town so the town

[57:33] moderator can only vote in the event of a tie much the way the vice president of

[57:38] the United States votes in a tie in Congress but is not a member of the

[57:42] legislative right he's not a member what we're doing here is not changing his

[57:47] role the substantive understand that I'm not arguing that okay just hang on a

[57:52] second what we did is we made a chapter that talk about people that got

[57:58] elected and I understand that and so that's why hang on that's why we put him

[58:02] there if you look at the language for the moderator we made and I don't

[58:07] remember why but we made in 263 we made we deleted some language so we haven't

[58:14] changed his role what we have done is is we've as an organizational process we

[58:21] tried to group all the elected people please I understand understand that I

[58:27] know but the point is you're trying to whether you consider it substantive or

[58:30] not or whether you consider that the town meeting members will be put off by

[58:36] a statement that says no substantive changes and then tells about a change

[58:39] but we can't control how people people we can't control how people Define that

[58:44] word Marthur I know and I but I want to help town meeting members

[58:51] understanding I'm just saying so are we down to just changing or a different

[58:56] word let me ask let me ask the question Martha then because I don't want I don't

[59:03] want town meeting members to get the wrong impression that's that's important

[59:06] to me I agree yes and I and I when I drafted this language I worked as hard

[59:11] as I could sure you did to not be biased in any way or to be ad I I wanted this

[59:17] to be as factual as possible so I want town meeting members when they see this

[59:23] to know that the role of the moderator has not been changed so is that what you

[59:30] want me to want to put in here instead to say the role of the moderator has not

[59:34] been changed but the moderator position has been moved from one branch from one

[59:39] chapter to another and and maybe start with yes start with the change or the

[59:45] the move and then however the role of the moderator has not been changed well

[59:52] I I would I I'm I'm willing to certainly put about the role put those both in but

[59:57] I think it's more important to address that we have not CH because again the

[1:00:02] first thing I want I want town meeting members to know is that we have not

[1:00:05] changed the role of the moderator that is the first thing that is the most

[1:00:09] important thing that anyone we can't change it that's remember when um D

[1:00:16] Goldman he said certain we shouldn't we probably can't and but there's some

[1:00:22] things we certainly could change but that's the whole point I want to make it

[1:00:24] but I want that clear to meeting members so I don't have a problem with saying

[1:00:29] that the role of the

[1:00:37] moderator has not been changed actually we don't I don't even

[1:00:43] say that because it's no recommendations because that's how I have to phrase

[1:00:47] everything yeah right um we're not recommending any Chang recommending any

[1:00:52] changes however not the role of the

[1:00:57] moderator no recommendation has been made to change the role of the moderator

[1:01:02] let's put it that way yeah second part is going to

[1:01:11] be has been made to

[1:01:19] change the role of the moderator

[1:01:31] you can put that as a period then we going notice it

[1:01:39] however the moderator position has been moved from the

[1:01:44] chapter on the legislative branch from the legislative branch chapter to the

[1:01:50] townwide elected Branch or chapter well I don't know if we need to put that

[1:01:55] because they know that this chapter that chapter is headed townwide elected yeah

[1:02:00] no I keep it as minim minimal as you like but but make note that we haven't

[1:02:06] changed it out of that one legislative I think I think

[1:02:10] person will understand has been moved I do too yeah from the chapter thank you

[1:02:15] on the legislative branch sorry I couldn't come up with that no no this is

[1:02:20] the night to get it that's why we do this

[1:02:25] Mr moderator Mr chairman go right ahead Mr jado yeah Al

[1:02:31] jado Precinct 17 I'm glad you made the changes um the moderator is derived from

[1:02:38] the legislative BRS he or she has really no other function other than what is set

[1:02:44] through the legislative branch Plymouth is unique years ago you elected a town

[1:02:51] clerk you elected the moderator then we went from an open town meeting where

[1:02:57] everyone showed up to elected and these leftover positions the clerk eventually

[1:03:02] became appointed and this moderator function goes back decades or it goes

[1:03:08] back to the 1940s when you had an open town meeting most towns elect a

[1:03:14] moderator through the body it is a function of the of because then we know

[1:03:21] what the moderator is up up to when he or she appoints the finance committee

[1:03:26] finance committee appoints answers to us they do that

[1:03:31] Financial detailed work for us so it flows properly so I'm glad you cleared

[1:03:37] this up I was a little concerned about that because in closing we've had some

[1:03:42] concerns with the moderator and how much power he has and that's been a concern

[1:03:47] in the town and that's been corrected and I think a lot of T meeting

[1:03:52] members would be concerned if he didn't make those changes so thank you for the

[1:03:56] changes thank you Mr Dono and any further M go right ahead the moderator

[1:04:03] was elected impus that's okay we're not and and

[1:04:07] still is and we're not changing that I mean was appointed excuse me and now and

[1:04:13] then we changed it to an elected position and that's where it is and

[1:04:16] we're not changing that right exactly so all right so um that actually takes care

[1:04:22] of of some of your um first bullet we got into that um chat article 21 okay so

[1:04:29] if everybody happy with article 21 now as it

[1:04:33] reads seeing No Hands we'll go on to article

[1:04:37] 22 uh I don't want to bore the whole committee want me to read these aloud or

[1:04:41] does anyone have any um pre preone notes they want to bring up article

[1:04:46] 22 what's the what's the pleasure of the group I just read it so all so you're

[1:04:51] good I'm good yeah did you have any thoughts on 22 on what is now 22

[1:04:57] master um any your notes to that nothing

[1:05:05] outstanding unless it's related to what is my I can't my mind is soping here

[1:05:11] this take your time this is this is all the the town meeting

[1:05:16] so we really didn't we made very few right real

[1:05:23] changes again most of what we did was just to clarify again the the big

[1:05:28] changes we talked about were adding something to the

[1:05:32] caucuses um requiring

[1:05:38] that we creating a separate simultaneous offices provision for town meeting as

[1:05:44] well as for the other

[1:05:49] bodies and then most of what we did was just cleaning up yeah right

[1:05:56] I AG this is fine other than the conflict of interest that was the one

[1:06:00] that was that actually got changed a little

[1:06:04] bit and that says to remove the restriction on representative Town me

[1:06:08] May who were Town employees I think did change that so

[1:06:13] again I I did try and go through every provision and and identify what I

[1:06:17] thought were the major things that were not just grammatical

[1:06:23] or or eliminations for duplicative or things like that I all right and seeing

[1:06:30] um nothing that jumps out to anyone on article 22 we'll move on Steve one one

[1:06:36] question Steve could you look at the board and see if I captured the town

[1:06:40] moderator change that can you read it uh no we can't read

[1:06:45] that have to share share it it is you I am screen

[1:06:50] sharing we don't see itang on we reduce that Zoom screen

[1:07:01] one no I'm sharing let me unshare myself for a minute Michelle that might be what

[1:07:06] causes the problem because I don't need to be

[1:07:13] shared why am I looking at that

[1:07:24] damn oh

[1:07:28] okay let let me see if I can screen your sh share your screen

[1:07:36] Michelle I should be able to do it with

[1:07:42] you no I can't share you have to do it I it says mine says I am screen sharing

[1:07:48] right now yeah we're not seeing it I'm

[1:07:52] sorry hang on look at the co-host and see there's something there it does say

[1:07:56] that is it up in the owl oh maybe that's it right there hang on

[1:08:07] more oh it says your it says your co-hosting it says stop sharing you're

[1:08:12] sharing but we're not seeing it give me a second give me a second how about

[1:08:17] optimize for video sharing under the options no

[1:08:23] no were you underneath her where it says layouts options you have share optimize

[1:08:30] for video sharing see if that works says Where oh oh oh I'm saying I'm sorry no

[1:08:38] that's right

[1:08:41] out that's

[1:08:46] not hang on a second Melle

[1:08:59] huh not sure

[1:09:05] why yeah it says multiple let me let me do

[1:09:08] this try and see if you can unshare and share

[1:09:18] again what was the correction she was trying to do Steve what we just did I

[1:09:22] think she typed it out and she wants to make sure that we she's typed it out as

[1:09:26] we discussed it yeah okay that's important I think we should Michelle I'm

[1:09:30] coming hold on

[1:09:36] okay I wish they would fix this

[1:09:43] something there you go Marth there is what we just kind of

[1:09:48] said let's see

[1:09:59] there we go how does that

[1:10:02] look yeah it's article 21 right I think that's very

[1:10:12] good better than I could do except I don't think it's townwide

[1:10:18] elected Town boards and I think it's just townwide elected boards and office

[1:10:22] holder and office holders um right in

[1:10:28] the wide townwide elected wide elected Town

[1:10:34] boards it it is yep that what we intended I thought

[1:10:41] that was that I think that was just the typo be honest but okay be

[1:10:46] careful hang on Theo T contents yeah townwide elected Town boards and office

[1:10:54] holders second Town yeah I do we need to say that they're townwide Town Offices

[1:10:59] the town doesn't vote on anything other than town office our Charter doesn't

[1:11:04] address federal or state so

[1:11:10] you so first office holders is plural but yes eliminate that second Town

[1:11:17] correct you got that right okay yeah just delete

[1:11:22] it well we need to delete it from the chart now also so but just delete it

[1:11:28] here okay but you're absolutely right it does

[1:11:31] need to be it does need to be and that's office holders plural and you're right

[1:11:35] it does need to be actually it doesn't need to be a deletion but the one we

[1:11:40] pass in it can't show up in the table I've already marked it to delete it

[1:11:44] right because that's new so it's not something that's a strike out from

[1:11:50] Curr okay work okay all right great thank

[1:11:57] you so moving back um ahead we felt good with article um which is now renamed

[1:12:04] article 22 we'll go on to article uh 23 this is the reordering of chapter 4 uh

[1:12:11] this talks about uh voting and off elections and holding

[1:12:18] office is there anything in this um eight or 10 bullets that um concern

[1:12:24] anybody or need to be

[1:12:35] reviewed not seeing anything or is everyone reading it want a minute to

[1:12:39] read it or everyone feel

[1:12:42] comfortable okay I think we're good moving on uh article

[1:12:48] 24 this is the reordering of chapter five of the Plymouth Town cha

[1:12:52] recommended by the CH Review Committee this talks about the town manages

[1:12:58] um um duties and responsibilities if I'm not

[1:13:03] mistaken talks about Finn head of Finance director of

[1:13:09] finance department of planning and the Department of Public

[1:13:13] Works it's four bullets in this particular

[1:13:17] article anything that anyone would like to speak to were people comfortable with

[1:13:22] my putting that bold note in there I thought that was very important to

[1:13:26] stress because I know that that would be confusing to

[1:13:31] people yeah I think that's that should be

[1:13:38] huge okay seeing no further discussion article 25 this is the reordering of

[1:13:45] chapter 6 of the pouth Town cha uh this talks uh about the advisory

[1:13:51] and finance committee and their uh way that they're appoint the way that they

[1:13:56] do

[1:13:59] reports the Conservation Commission and the zoning board of

[1:14:07] appeals nothing jumps out anyone we're talking about what was seven now is 25

[1:14:14] correct yes I believe that's correct and that's that the title of that chapter is

[1:14:19] statutory required public bodies okay is there anything in that chapter

[1:14:26] anyone has any concern with the way that it was defined for our purposes for to

[1:14:31] meeting seeing none we're going on to what's on the paper is article 8 now in

[1:14:36] our minds will be article 26 that's the reordering of chapter 7 the CL Town

[1:14:42] Shadow this talks uh primarily uh about other committees consisting of the

[1:14:48] committee of prec chairs Board of Health open

[1:14:53] space the land use and acquisition the building

[1:14:58] committee and the chat Review Committee coincidentally enough any questions

[1:15:06] on anything in that chapter chapter

[1:15:13] 26 everything looks pretty good moving on to article uh 9 as we see

[1:15:20] it here today it will be article 27 this is uh the reordering of chapter 8 of the

[1:15:26] Plymouth Town Chada and this talks

[1:15:32] about boards and how this what this how this set

[1:15:43] up change it to recommended to create a fixed date by which boards commissions

[1:15:47] and committees shall organize annually Al this must be a result after

[1:15:53] elections um anyone have anything um they' like to talk about in article

[1:16:00] 27 moving on to article 20 28 which is on your paper today article 10 this is

[1:16:07] to reorder chapter nine Plymouth Town

[1:16:15] cha this talks about P Town chatter and U I think it talks about when we meet

[1:16:24] every five years no this is just the this is those this is the miscellaneous

[1:16:28] Provisions section I don't want maybe I should have

[1:16:33] been on top of this are we reordering or is this all new one of them was all new

[1:16:37] wasn't it the chapters um yes that was

[1:16:42] the yeah but there this is make char changes to the reordered Charter chapter

[1:16:49] okay so we'll keep using that okay that was my mistake all right that confus

[1:16:52] this this this is to make sure that everybody knows that they're doing this

[1:16:55] this is to chapter eight of the reordered chter chapter seven of the

[1:17:00] reordered not of the existing fair enough yep okay that's

[1:17:06] good um and then so that wouldn't it if I'm not mistaken Steve you can correct

[1:17:12] that that takes care of of our work correct as we did over the last U 13 14

[1:17:19] months uh speaking to the chter and the revisions or the corrections or the

[1:17:23] deletions we made now article 11 as we have it here today you'll see it on

[1:17:28] Saturday morning uh morning of town meeting is article 29 and this is to

[1:17:33] permit the town clerk hopefully to take all of the

[1:17:38] changes that were accepted by town meeting and reorder them so uh and for

[1:17:43] this one and for this one I would actually go right to the language that

[1:17:47] Sylvio had prepared in the draft warrant says to see if the town will vote to

[1:17:53] authorize the town clerk with the approval of the Town manager to make

[1:17:57] clerical and non-substantive editorial revisions to the Plymouth Town Charter

[1:18:02] in accordance with the changes as adopted by town meeting on October 19

[1:18:06] 2024 or take any other action relative thet it seems to sum up pretty good I

[1:18:12] think that that's not just that at that point it's not just the reordering but

[1:18:16] also obviously that would deal with the internal references and things like that

[1:18:22] so it's not reordering it's renumbering right um this yes it's re sorry ring it

[1:18:28] would be it's not just I think that's that's sorry that was my I misspoke yeah

[1:18:36] right that's what I thought yep no uh yes so this so that concludes at least

[1:18:41] um so we're going to put going over the do you have anything that can go back um

[1:18:45] Authur and and any any place else that you can well no no I'm all set oh you

[1:18:52] are okay make sure that because the other part

[1:18:57] of changing the names of the charters now that there's no executive it

[1:19:06] is townwide elected Etc that's all written it's down here so

[1:19:15] um happy with that um but did I understand that we were going to put yes

[1:19:21] we're going to put Michelle is typing it as we speak I I agree with that follow

[1:19:27] the ball on the

[1:19:32] screen we need to vote on them yeah we're going to vote on them in their

[1:19:35] entirety sounds like everybody's since everybody's comfortable I think we

[1:19:39] everything in its entirity yeah we'll just wait till she um

[1:19:45] Everybody agrees with her wording are you can you are you

[1:19:50] verifying what she's typing yes that is that is exactly what what was put in the

[1:19:55] it looks good I see it from I would out loud so we're going to there's a motion

[1:20:02] to approve the language of the Articles as amended is that a good description of

[1:20:05] them and that's a good way put yeah we amended in two places right okay yes so

[1:20:11] yeah I think that's a way of put it is that a motion Len that's a motion by me

[1:20:15] all right second seconded by Mr Hen any further

[1:20:19] discussion seeing none uh would you just do a raise your hand vote All In

[1:20:25] favor just to be unanimous thank you

[1:20:30] um so that concludes the two um specified line items we're going to talk

[1:20:36] about this evening

[1:20:39] um going in now to a New or Old business is there anything so Mr Hanley do we

[1:20:47] have a schedule when this

[1:20:50] was presented to the select in yes yes we do and I and I thought we had talked

[1:20:58] about a presentation of the copc want to know what that I can tell

[1:21:03] you hang on well fincom is September 5th

[1:21:10] SE September 5th before the night before is a s I think I have to look on pap

[1:21:16] that sorry the nth is the no because there's

[1:21:20] not a meeting there not there's not a meeting because the election is that

[1:21:23] night from the election election day the day before but the copc is on the

[1:21:30] 9th 9 it's the ninth I believe 99 I got that right from the horse's

[1:21:38] mouth and the select board is on the 10th and the only thing that's missing

[1:21:44] that you were going to are we going to do are we being asked to do something

[1:21:47] for the school committee we were asked the only night they gave me two nights

[1:21:54] one is a conflict the other one is September 23rd now we didn't uh discuss

[1:22:00] if we were going to um do a presentation there I think it's a good idea to but um

[1:22:06] is there a is there a thought amongst the committee to U do a presentation to

[1:22:11] the school committee on the 23rd of

[1:22:16] September what's that look from so I suggested since we know why

[1:22:22] they want us to come talk to them and the fact that I was the one that

[1:22:26] proposed taking that paragraph out well they she's very uh we got this

[1:22:31] I got an email from uh Miss Miss Badger the chair the

[1:22:36] chairperson we would like to learn more about the changes that the charter

[1:22:40] committee is proposing regarding the school

[1:22:43] committee our meetings are on September 9th which we have a conflict with

[1:22:47] copc and the 23rd so I can get back to her and to let her know okay to book us

[1:22:53] an agenda spot on the 23rd and I would assume if she gets by chance gets oh

[1:22:58] that's the primary forget about it I thought it was the election I'd be glad

[1:23:02] to go do that somebody wants to come with me to help me Dodge the stones I'm

[1:23:07] buy man thank you Mike what what night of

[1:23:11] the week did you meet me for beer afterwards at

[1:23:14] least what night is you may need something stronger well you know what

[1:23:18] what day Monday 23 Monday right so it's the 23rd of September is 23rd I have a

[1:23:24] big something in my house I'm just well I like to come to all of these um and at

[1:23:30] least be there well that would be my hope if

[1:23:34] whoever wants to attend attend anyone wants to speak we can break it up

[1:23:39] everyone can speak other some can speak what well I mean I think we should as we

[1:23:43] get close to those dates we should have a strategy about I mean you know Steve's

[1:23:48] got a lot that he's presenting to the different committees and there's like on

[1:23:52] the night I think thef aren't you doing landbank the night I'm doing the land

[1:23:57] bank the night before so I'm just saying you know not to have him be standing

[1:24:01] there not that he's you know we don't want him to be there presenting but just

[1:24:05] that he's not standing there for they're all going to be they're going to be

[1:24:09] tired of me from other things that's what ly is basically saying well you

[1:24:13] know it helps to have you know I also agree I think it's important to stress

[1:24:19] that this is a committee decision in terms of our recommendations that every

[1:24:24] body participated fully this is not just one or one person's or one small group's

[1:24:31] approach that we had different people presenting different ideas and that we

[1:24:36] worked collaboratively to try and come up with the best that language we could

[1:24:42] for Town meetings consideration oh I agree that's why I

[1:24:46] extend it to anyone and everyone that wants to participate in pres presenting

[1:24:50] because everyone has a strong suit everyone has a um you know opinion on on

[1:24:55] what we did as body of work and I think as a town meeting member sitting out in

[1:25:00] the audience if I were to hear uh from anyone in the committee or everyone in

[1:25:06] the committee even that's even better uh I would feel much more comfortable that

[1:25:10] you know was you know doesn't have to say that we were 100% on on everything

[1:25:16] but I think the vast majority of our votes all of our votes or obviously a

[1:25:19] majority but I think for the most part we had um a very good group and everyone

[1:25:25] contributed and I think in the presentation it would be nice if that

[1:25:29] shows it's up to I've never been to any of these meetings that's my hesitation I

[1:25:34] do want to go y um oh we're going to throw you right out front then that's it

[1:25:39] congratulations you're now doing the copc presentation you love it we voted

[1:25:43] last week you the spokes person you didn't know that you didn't get that

[1:25:46] memo I worried

[1:25:51] about what's that so uh finance committee September 5th y copc

[1:25:58] September 9th Board of selectman September 10th school committee

[1:26:04] September and then there's presentation night do we have a that's is that the

[1:26:10] town moderator's presentation night well it's presentation night well the town

[1:26:16] moderator does a presentation for pack TV where you can get on tape for

[1:26:21] Saturday morning that's really a walk through the it's the Motions meeting

[1:26:25] you're talking about well the motion he does two things he does a presentation

[1:26:29] and he does a what's the one he does a walk what's he call Thursday the 10th is

[1:26:33] October 10th the motions and the motion being is the the morning thing where you

[1:26:37] go upstairs and you can change if you preview he calls it

[1:26:42] a so what is pres being presentation um lately because of Co is something that

[1:26:50] the moderator does through pack TV and if you're a presenter of an article you

[1:26:53] can go win anytime during the prior week and and tape five minutes or well was it

[1:26:58] anytime I we've just been doing it as a night they've literally been those who

[1:27:03] wish to have a recording of their presentation those who are proponents of

[1:27:09] an article presenting an article want something more than just somebody

[1:27:12] standing in front of the town meeting talking no this is actually to record

[1:27:16] something so that town meeting members in advance of meeting it's in advance of

[1:27:21] town meeting can get on so you can watch it that Night Live or because the local

[1:27:27] scene will record it it'll then be available if someone wants to look at it

[1:27:31] but for about 10 years prior to co copc had a presentation night which was sort

[1:27:37] of call on the ninth that for us they're going to talk about to meeting

[1:27:41] articles and that and they've given us 45 minutes or an hour Mr tarus so then

[1:27:46] the other question is what about caucuses well this is part of where I'm

[1:27:51] going okay sorry I didn't mean to steal your thunder because I going to send out

[1:27:54] a meeting a memo to um the chair of precin

[1:28:00] 15 uh tonight or tomorrow with these dates because we have I told as I said

[1:28:08] we met as a Precinct last week right and we all we talked about was the draft

[1:28:13] warrant we went over the draft warrant and what do we think is important what

[1:28:17] do you think is housekeeping stuff like that what and so we're going to have a

[1:28:21] separate meeting just on the charter and I believe that's September

[1:28:30] 26 26 of course it

[1:28:36] is well we could and there'll be other pocket they're getting together or not

[1:28:42] yeah 17 I just think it's important enough

[1:28:46] this was my recommendation through Precinct 15 what is it was important

[1:28:51] enough to have a separate meeting just on the charter but we are hopes that you

[1:28:55] are going to represent the committee Charter committee or do you want someone

[1:28:59] from the charter help you we don't need a presentation because this is part of

[1:29:03] my point and you're on the committee of Precinct chairs the chair of the

[1:29:09] precinct chairs needs to get this schedule and tell and so send it out to

[1:29:15] every single town meeting member they have four

[1:29:18] opportunities to have to listen to a presentation so caucus and do it again

[1:29:25] yeah so why come to the caucus and do again very good I like whole point of

[1:29:29] you're absolutely right because they want to ask questions so that you or

[1:29:33] somebody because because they want to ask questions and because they still

[1:29:37] want everybody to go to them that will be the answer well the point is

[1:29:41] unfortunate but that is and this is what I told recing 15 it will there will not

[1:29:47] be a presentation at our baucus you have the opportunity you had three

[1:29:53] opportunities now you got four including the school committee to hear the

[1:29:57] presentation now it's about discussing and asking questions well the school

[1:30:02] committee is just going to the school committee was very clear they want to

[1:30:05] know simply how does the charter impact proposed changes impact the school

[1:30:12] commit no but what's the script that you're all going to consist okay so this

[1:30:15] is what I wanted to ask Al Alan is let me let me finish this so I think it's

[1:30:22] important for the Precinct chairs to put this schedule

[1:30:26] out all town meeting members so that they have an opportunity to listen to at

[1:30:33] least one of these presentation I'm sorry

[1:30:38] absolutely my question is what is your role as chair of the committee in terms

[1:30:46] of ANF select board copc and school committee um and I was thinking what oh

[1:30:54] was said here are you going to write up a script I certainly I think we talked

[1:31:00] about that we executive summary of what we've done and and obviously we have

[1:31:07] what is already pretty muchy much already written that is you know a a

[1:31:13] great start that's pretty much written but my hope as a chair or is this am I

[1:31:18] presuming what is inaccurate that this can be used as

[1:31:29] what do you what what

[1:31:33] does what's the purpose of the a&f you're the chair as a chair I would

[1:31:39] think I would explain why we think these changes I would start I would open up

[1:31:43] the presentation talk a little hisory history how we got to be a committee

[1:31:47] when we started how long we've been doing it and then break off into what

[1:31:50] our philosophies were we decided to um um streamline the chatter remove

[1:31:57] anything that was redundant remove anything that was uh didn't need to be

[1:32:02] in there as it pertained to talking about state law and then we made we made

[1:32:06] some changes made some emissions uh we we we we put things where they should be

[1:32:11] was makes this old document easy to read and then my you know after a few minutes

[1:32:16] of talking about our philosophies and a few of the high points that we talked

[1:32:20] about maybe if there's others from the committee that are there that night that

[1:32:24] really know a certain part of the child that you know that really can hammer it

[1:32:29] home they talk about it and so do like does ANF or selectboard or cop do they

[1:32:35] ask questions of the they typically do they typically give you whoever else is

[1:32:39] their time frame and then if you're talking they'll extend it but um once I

[1:32:45] think we do our presentation in my head I have the presentation being you know

[1:32:49] 15 minutes you know talking about some things and then taking questions there

[1:32:53] might be some specific things that this is what I've been sort of fooling around

[1:32:57] myself is I drive around and think there might be something that we talked about

[1:33:01] in this chat that catches someone's eye and it becomes an issue that I don't

[1:33:04] think of today is an issue it could be something in there that we're all

[1:33:07] worried about that breezes through people like it so we'll know the first

[1:33:11] one or two presentations where the pressure is going to come from I I think

[1:33:15] it's a good document and I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to stress while I

[1:33:19] speak as a town meeting member I haven't gone through this now twice

[1:33:24] I think we've gone through two chter committees as a town meting member that

[1:33:29] I think what we've done is sort of novel with we've made the thing easier to read

[1:33:34] easier to to look at easier to use and I think we've made some great uh great um

[1:33:41] changes or not changes as much as recommendations recommendations and uh

[1:33:46] that's that's where I'm coming from as a presenter I'm going to have been on the

[1:33:50] other side voting on this and I will be again quite honestly

[1:33:54] but this is a good document and it here's why it's easy to read it's easy

[1:33:59] to find things you want to find anything out about the copc now you go to chapter

[1:34:05] seven or whatever number is I yeah I mean for example in copc since Al's on

[1:34:10] the committee we can't expect Al to stand up and do the presentation so I'm

[1:34:14] willing to stand up either Steve or I you know if he's got some stuff he's

[1:34:18] presenting that's already got him up there

[1:34:21] talking lots of things I'm willing to stand stand up in front of the committee

[1:34:25] but I think we all should get together and come up with some some language that

[1:34:29] we want to use you know personally me my I subscribe to less as More Concept you

[1:34:35] know the less you say the better off you are because it leaves less room for

[1:34:39] interpretation I think let people to try to interpret it and ask questions and

[1:34:43] answer the questions you know as our esteemed lawyer will tell you if you've

[1:34:49] ever been Depo deposed there's three words you say yes no and I don't know

[1:34:53] and some Ty say well yes I don't know it's not a worry but I just think you

[1:34:56] know we need to just help people understand it you're concerned about

[1:35:00] that that part in that first article I understand that and I think that's our

[1:35:04] role they have to make up their own mind uh I'm it's to me it's not a sales job

[1:35:09] it's it's an information we're just providing information and some clarity

[1:35:13] on what we did and why we did it you know to kind of piggy bank on what El

[1:35:18] said that's just my philosophy so Lyn have you been to some to uh a a article

[1:35:24] presentation meeting or whatever it's called um am AMF select board no copc no

[1:35:33] and it's just to me it's just another committee another presentation I've

[1:35:37] stood up in front of 1500 people made presentations so I'm not nervous about

[1:35:41] it I don't think there's anything mag just my opinion I don't think there's

[1:35:45] anything magical about it these are you go in with the philosophy these are

[1:35:49] smart knowledgeable people that can figure things out and if they have some

[1:35:53] questions about some things you help them try to understand what the words on

[1:35:57] the paper what the intent of the words on the paper not what they mean but what

[1:36:01] was the intent of the words you know give them some context to it so you know

[1:36:07] I'm not I'm not afraid of doing it so can I ask Alan

[1:36:12] um do you feel like as a copc member that you wouldn't be able to change hats

[1:36:19] during the meeting that you would oh no I comfortable that I would get up out of

[1:36:23] walk over to the podium and start the presentation depending on who came

[1:36:27] hopefully Steve and Mike hopefully everyone's there because I think once we

[1:36:31] do one or two of these will start to uh flush out where what people want to know

[1:36:36] about and and somebody might know more about it uh Len and Steve have typed and

[1:36:40] written this thing you know 100 times so if somebody has a very specific question

[1:36:45] on some wording they're probably going to answer it unless you and I know off

[1:36:49] top of our head but I'd love to have that support where we can answer

[1:36:53] everything that night somebody has something to contribute and somebody has

[1:36:57] a strong suit and knows you know they know this part of they know they know it

[1:37:01] down so I would get up make the Pres make the introduction stand to the side

[1:37:05] in case there's any last minute questions or a final wrap up and then

[1:37:09] I'll go back as U as pring 10 guy Ste that sounds good to me I so I I do

[1:37:16] intend on being at most if not all of these uh and for your comfort Martha yes

[1:37:21] I have presented to every one of these on several occasions I can also tell you

[1:37:26] not that I've seen it I can also tell you that I believe our former chair may

[1:37:31] be appearing at a couple of these Mr Golden now Mr Golden of course is a

[1:37:36] select board member he is also a former copc member so his his uh impro if you

[1:37:45] will as to our work may also carry some weight with town meeting members uh he

[1:37:53] he is very excited by what we have finished with um I don't want to speak

[1:37:57] for him but obviously he he's expressed his his support of the committee's work

[1:38:03] and his interest in seeing this put forth and get a good good reception no

[1:38:09] it's a great point and I forgot to mention that but as I've driven around

[1:38:12] and said this thing in my head I a driveing uh uh Mr Golden is the liais on

[1:38:18] now with copc he's going to be in the room and you know

[1:38:23] I I'll be the first to admit I think he did the lion sharing carrying this thing

[1:38:27] getting it started and he should be noted for that and you know I don't know

[1:38:31] if he's has if it's appropriate and his rolling now to come up and speak to it

[1:38:35] but he may be able to speak on the premise of how we got started and why we

[1:38:40] went in certain directions and now it's going to be a benefit if if if we have a

[1:38:44] select board Buy in right right off the rail so yeah I think Steve raised a good

[1:38:49] point I think you have to make note of Mr Golden Mr super I know he left for um

[1:38:56] personal reasons or conflicts but he was huge he was a huge help I thought we

[1:39:00] yeah we had a good committee and and I hope not to put you on the spot do you

[1:39:04] have an interest in speaking or do you feel like you would feel it out would

[1:39:08] you want to get up and speak process participate and so I want you to feel

[1:39:13] comfortable to do that Mr Paisa is a wealth of information Mr Hutchinson on

[1:39:17] here tonight Mr La Mr La is going to be sitting on the other side of the table

[1:39:21] in a&f but he knows everything we did here and he has he has his opinions he

[1:39:27] could explain it so I think the uh and I probably have a different

[1:39:32] opinion Mr hanlin on the caucuses I I I I'm gonna hope to go to Every caucus I

[1:39:38] can go to because I've learned at least I mean the more you put yourself in

[1:39:41] front of people and let them ask you questions good or bad if they beat you

[1:39:45] up or if they're good you stand up I feel a much better chance Saturday

[1:39:50] morning of passing if if I talk to you and I don't even know you from Precinct

[1:39:54] 18 when you had a one-on-one with me and we talked it might have been enough to

[1:39:59] change your mind or or make you vot for it I I don't want to leave any stone

[1:40:03] unturned it'll be only me twice a years I want to talk to 162 161 people if I

[1:40:08] can I will I've been to the I I was um one of the League members that went to

[1:40:13] the caucuses when the Comm uh commissions proposal was coming before

[1:40:21] um you know our our Town Springtown meeting ballot question

[1:40:28] so that I have done and have the same opinion the more

[1:40:32] you you get in front of the it was just

[1:40:37] educational we were helping educate I don't think there's a difference of

[1:40:41] opinion I think it's a just simple matter of exhaustion no and I because I

[1:40:46] I mean I I will be attending a number of them on landbank but again I also have

[1:40:50] Mr KY and Mr Goldman who will be attending other caucuses I'm so we can

[1:40:56] divide up and we should be doing the same thing for this we should make sure

[1:41:01] I me the irony is when we talk about the copc we had four copc members on this

[1:41:06] committee at one point or another Mr Golden yourself Miss kavako and Mr

[1:41:11] Hutchinson not me I'm

[1:41:16] sorry I was we've been here to I was speaking about Allan but yeah but that's

[1:41:21] a great point and one former member for and one former member that's right

[1:41:26] so and which is ironic because probably the largest change in our Charter is in

[1:41:33] really defining the role of the copc right

[1:41:42] say um I I um there's two thoughts I want to get out here one

[1:41:49] is we need to know what the schedule of the 18 pre I'll have to ask Mr I'll get

[1:41:57] that as quick as I can good good luck getting that anytime that will I

[1:42:01] understand that will change and I will also say that again there will have

[1:42:05] multiple meetings because of the size of the of the warrant in general so it's

[1:42:10] not just a question of when the schedule is but when they want to hear from us on

[1:42:14] the charter as opposed to other or but the sooner we get that information the

[1:42:19] better of course it is so I will be present at any of these

[1:42:25] four meetings oh you're out of town yes I am all of them I'm sitting

[1:42:32] there looking at my schedule which I still use we went over there and

[1:42:38] um well just a busy man my friend is there

[1:42:43] anything you at this stage of tonight you can add you that we should do with

[1:42:47] these presentations any and you if you were here would you

[1:42:51] do anything different than we've spoke about so far this

[1:42:54] evening well my philosophy of precin cauy back from when I was a chair want

[1:43:00] about the four event you're going to miss yeah yeah okay you know you've got

[1:43:06] you got it under control you know you will have a

[1:43:10] script I'm sure it's not going to change from one to one meeting to another

[1:43:14] that's all fine uh my very strong recommendation is that

[1:43:21] we not because some some precin caucuses are going to say oh we want a

[1:43:27] presentation right and if if we make it clear to them that there are four

[1:43:34] presentations maybe not the school committee so much but the other three

[1:43:38] there are three presentations there's opportunities for town meeting members

[1:43:42] to hear what you and others have to say and then if so additional questions we

[1:43:49] could come in and address that but the question that's a good point May go

[1:43:53] under that I mean we need to we'll be there to answer questions I think when

[1:43:57] Mike saying we need to sell that concept and say look you can you can you can

[1:44:02] watch it on P TV you can watch it on YouTube you can go there and sit in

[1:44:06] person you can participate in a zoom thing so there's lots of ways for you to

[1:44:11] hear that information and then after the fact if

[1:44:15] there is a series of questions that you still have and your caucus would like

[1:44:19] somebody from the committee to come and talk to you about it let us know and we

[1:44:22] will do our best to accommodate your schedule

[1:44:26] well I think that I think it ought to be mandatory that somebody from this

[1:44:32] committee go to Every Precinct caucus unless there's something some

[1:44:37] reason why why we can't conflicts I would agree with that

[1:44:42] yeah I do too yeah and I would even suggest that there' be two people are

[1:44:46] they to at

[1:44:50] Le I'm going to be out of town for my own pre caucus yeah so well there other

[1:44:56] ones to go you to dial in at least I will I will be there by Zoom

[1:45:03] yeah and try to answer questions but you know I'm going to say when I send my

[1:45:08] message or wrestling these are three opportunities for nine people from

[1:45:13] Precinct 15 to listen to the presentation please take the opportunity

[1:45:19] to listen and if you can't be there in person you can't watch it live act TV is

[1:45:25] always recorded watch it at your leer please not to put you on the spot but do

[1:45:31] the league have any desire or has there been any talk about putting together a u

[1:45:35] informational night no not that I know of okay at this

[1:45:39] point yeah I'm not sure but I didn't know if you add something into it yeah

[1:45:43] this is really since it's for town meeting members not for the voters I I

[1:45:47] could understand that yeah that makes sense well we could probably but I I

[1:45:51] didn't know you had on here all the time I don't know if you

[1:45:54] had built a um

[1:45:59] soing okay but thanks interesting was that

[1:46:03] thanks for asking yeah it wouldn't it wouldn't be a anything related to a

[1:46:08] position you know yes no in any way a support just informational it would be

[1:46:14] informational yeah no no that's fair I would not it

[1:46:18] is similar to what you're talking about um that's us doing at the caucuses right

[1:46:27] so you were talking about September 26th was it the prec 151 to do a

[1:46:33] charter that's what we talked about last week but we didn't know what the

[1:46:37] schedule was right so if if that just understand if that is something that

[1:46:43] they want I can make myself available on the 26 at some point shortly before town

[1:46:49] meeting uh my wife will divorce me but none

[1:46:54] L September 26 6:00 I mean I can I could help in the uh recck room

[1:47:01] [Music] yeah and then I can't

[1:47:04] do so unless something changes because I'm not the chair anymore um that's the

[1:47:12] schedule for to hear the charter question okay

[1:47:19] because who your chair wrestling what's that who your chair wrestling yeah

[1:47:23] yeah uh because our our town meeting caucus the one we have right before town

[1:47:28] meeting is on the six October 16th and we would hear all the other AR

[1:47:34] at that time that's that's the Wednesday I'm

[1:47:37] going to do the 17 that's the W before Town

[1:47:41] yeah all right and it's typically I haven't seen the schedule

[1:47:46] but it's typically four or five um ping that double up so that might help to

[1:47:52] schedule a little bit when there are also several precincts

[1:47:56] that tend to choose to meet on the same night that's true too and do not double

[1:48:01] up but rather require you to either either either be in two places at once

[1:48:07] or risk one of the biggest speeding tickets that the town of Plymouth has

[1:48:11] ever seen attempting to get from one place to

[1:48:14] another I heard Lee planning say that he suggested that

[1:48:19] and it would be next is to have two nights

[1:48:23] where people came in and presented to half of the precincts one night the

[1:48:26] other half another night like at the high school and then the the each car

[1:48:30] each Precinct could go off in their own room and have their conversations after

[1:48:34] they hear the presentations just for that reason because you know for Town

[1:48:40] employees it's just it's it's it's a it's death you know it's a March you

[1:48:44] know it's a bridge over r with Qui you know but

[1:48:50] sool hey this is Michelle I am on the town's calendar right now

[1:48:55] and there are some Precinct I can give you some dates right now for some of the

[1:48:59] meetings that are scheduled so I am seeing Precinct

[1:49:06] Three for September 5th they're at 5:30 at the school

[1:49:13] administration building so 11 Lincoln Street seeing Precinct 12 on September

[1:49:21] 12th 700

[1:49:25] p.m. at the cederville fire

[1:49:30] station let me hold

[1:49:34] on [Music]

[1:49:36] and Precinct 13 is October

[1:49:42] 8th 6:30 p.m. at the

[1:49:48] airport Precinct 16 has two meetings

[1:49:56] scheduled October 88th 700

[1:50:00] p.m. at the Plymouth Middle School must be

[1:50:06] pcis also Precinct 16 is October 15 oh that's the date of is that the day of

[1:50:13] the meeting no October 15 7 PM wait a minute when Town when's meeting

[1:50:22] okay so they have two meetings the precinct 16 the second meeting is

[1:50:27] October 15 700 p.m. at Plymouth Mid South Middle

[1:50:33] School Precinct 11 October

[1:50:38] 16 6:30 p.m. at the airport so that is the schedule so

[1:50:46] far if you need me to repeat anything let me know oh thanks we had 13 and 11

[1:50:51] don't meet on the same night but anyway I'm sure they

[1:50:55] have used to always meet together yeah I think I remember being out there

[1:51:01] for I had to go from one they were in two different places obviously meaning

[1:51:07] I'll ask Mr tarus if you can keep me up to date on that as well I'll try to keep

[1:51:10] it keep everyone ARS updated as the best I can yeah some people

[1:51:16] may uh some precincts may decide to do a separate meeting which is what we did

[1:51:22] did MH uh just to hear the charter Others May

[1:51:27] just wump it all together looking at the draft there's

[1:51:31] quite a bit on there for the Falls isn't there it is it's a it's pretty packed

[1:51:36] reasonably packed um although again some of it is more

[1:51:42] housekeeping but yes Ellie yes um so we're going to have

[1:51:49] this latest draft whatever that number is today's date or something right oh

[1:51:54] this 24826 it's good Martha it's probably

[1:51:59] going to just say this is we're gonna Michelle and I are going to figure out

[1:52:03] editing this what the changes we made tonight and then it's going to be the

[1:52:08] one that's going to be distributed to everybody so theion there would be no

[1:52:11] version on it it is they say the proposed Charter for p meeting 2024

[1:52:16] whatever we'll come up with the right language we'll probably for our own

[1:52:20] purposes call it final right that be explained to me earlier by

[1:52:26] 11:00 tomorrow yeah and I will figure it out we got to get it we got to get it so

[1:52:30] they can get get it to everybody because there's been some confusion about what

[1:52:34] the version is they should be looking at do we do we need a mo do we need a

[1:52:40] motion Len um if we find any more typos any minor Corrections that can be made

[1:52:48] without I think we leave I think the ver the language of the last article covers

[1:52:54] that and so I think we should just leave it alone and let it be taken care of

[1:52:58] when no no no I I think ultimately what Michelle is saying if as you're going

[1:53:03] through if you catch any moreor typographical errors I think the

[1:53:07] committee has already voted that we don't consider typographical errors to

[1:53:11] be something that the committee needs to address leave it up to

[1:53:17] you go we another Capital TM for town meeting we voted to do that we should

[1:53:23] just allow every time you look at this I understand C for now until eternity you

[1:53:30] will find like typle I know alen i'me um well two things one is

[1:53:40] so then the a version will be online final version in a couple days no

[1:53:47] tomorrow okay and when what about hard copies

[1:53:53] as far as the book no as far as if people want to come to town meeting to

[1:53:59] town hall and get a hard copy is what I remember the Commissioners did the

[1:54:05] commissioner I think they had to get a budget item to print though I'm not

[1:54:10] talking about that so just mean 162 copies of it for the town meeting

[1:54:16] member town meeting members are going to get hard copies so will there be copies

[1:54:22] here for anybody because people have already saying to me I I'd like to get a

[1:54:26] hard copy when it's one going to be available so what's the pro what should

[1:54:29] I say I'll have to add well maybe Michelle we don't have a budget for that

[1:54:33] no we don't no we don't and there won't be any copies here um we can talk to the

[1:54:40] town manager to see if we can print you know 10

[1:54:46] copies um but there's not going to be you know

[1:54:50] 50 copies 100 50 copies sitting here maybe between Michelle and I will

[1:54:57] talk to the town manager or the assistant Town manager and see if we can

[1:55:00] get a certain number of copies for this building and for the library but I don't

[1:55:05] know if we can do many without a budget actually I'm I'm rethinking in

[1:55:10] perspective so the town meeting members are the ones that vote on it they're all

[1:55:14] going to have a hard they're all yes they will be other um interested

[1:55:19] citizens so how many would that be 20 or we don't know so I I know we don't but

[1:55:25] I'm I'm guessing that it's we're not talking big numbers I think it's a

[1:55:28] courtesy we should have a small number of I read the library in here like maybe

[1:55:33] 20 at each place or I'll ask the if we get 20 at each Place see how then um

[1:55:39] we'll certainly make a flyer or a notice that certainly going to be on the not to

[1:55:44] put it on them to go get it themselves off the website but it will be there

[1:55:48] printed there was talk there was there was there was talk on the committee at

[1:55:54] one time that you wanted town meeting members also to receive a copy of the

[1:56:00] current Charter and I spoke to Janette white

[1:56:06] advisory in finance yesterday about that and I told her I would you know ask you

[1:56:12] folks do you want that being out there with the

[1:56:17] charter that might have been early on Michelle but I think we abandoned that

[1:56:21] pretty quickly when now we had that working group where we

[1:56:26] reorganized uh because that's a little easier to go side by side with our

[1:56:30] changes and our admissions I would say at this point do not um do not worry

[1:56:34] about sending out the existing chat gotcha thank you except for a reference

[1:56:40] that it's on the town website you can make a reference that it's on there but

[1:56:44] I think unless I'm mistaken I thought you know quarter of the way into our

[1:56:48] process we did a work group and we arrang this things easier to read and

[1:56:53] follow that was that was the point of having of keeping the original numbers

[1:56:58] so that everybody knows what they are looking at if they need to compare it to

[1:57:04] something they can but more to the point that they understand that all of the

[1:57:09] numbers are there so they know I thought we thought we determin it would be a

[1:57:12] nightmare to try to put two side by side yeah I was proposing that we had we had

[1:57:18] the the charter we did and the charter existed had some kind of intermediate

[1:57:23] document and we abandon that when Kate said to us we're better off putting all

[1:57:28] the language in the charter we want to go before Town committee s town meeting

[1:57:34] because if they decide not to take out let's say the section about the P the

[1:57:38] Department of Public Works it's physically there all we have to do is

[1:57:42] change it from Red Line strike out to Black that way we don't have to go put

[1:57:46] it back in it just starts to become and so this document is what it would like

[1:57:52] if you took out all the blue all the red that's the document you know and it

[1:57:57] would be simple to do that to go through and just change everything

[1:58:02] so no I'm with you so um sorry so we have on the front page

[1:58:10] here which I think is great um and I am I right in assuming that this page will

[1:58:14] be what the Yeah it's like this we may take that that page affects the charter

[1:58:21] we may take that page and make that front page a separate document because

[1:58:26] right now it creates some craziness with the document from page numbering

[1:58:30] standpoint the way word does page numbering so we'll figure it out doesn't

[1:58:35] according to this page one is the first page I understand but it'll be fine

[1:58:40] it'll be fine we'll figure it out so I wondered if we would put David gold

[1:58:46] beside David golden and Robert zap's name um

[1:58:54] um resigned or retired however you put it

[1:58:59] that well he at a certain point because when people like in you know even now

[1:59:06] not to mention in times down the road

[1:59:10] historians looking at this they wonder why there's so many names here it's more

[1:59:14] than nine you could do that there should be

[1:59:17] 11 there are but but the thing is um David golden and Rob Robert zeroi are

[1:59:26] now re resigned and former chair and former

[1:59:33] clerk um maybe we can put a

[1:59:38] notation yeah we can take we'll figure something out yeah talk about

[1:59:42] that I think the name should appear because I think both AG Quarters at

[1:59:46] least three quarters of the way through and both instrumental and what we have

[1:59:51] in front of us today um but you're right um you could put oh

[1:59:57] you could just do that it's not X is not the right word but previous chair and

[2:00:02] previous clerk was yeah we can figure something

[2:00:04] out maybe just put the dates that they from what date they participated

[2:00:11] in yeah or you could just leave it alone

[2:00:15] unless they have any objection to what no no one left on any objection so no

[2:00:20] yeah I'm guessing David gold is a fan and Mrs zeri I think would oh I

[2:00:25] would leave their names there I yeah I think you got to leave their names but

[2:00:28] if somebody has an idea on in the next 12 hours what we should do we can do it

[2:00:33] yeah so uh just so the document's going to be final tomorrow yeah final

[2:00:41] edits and then you said hard copies for town meeting members do we have nothing

[2:00:45] to do with that you have nothing to do when the books go out that's oh okay so

[2:00:50] it's not going to it'll be in the book obviously but it's not going to be a

[2:00:53] separate document not that I'm aware of Michelle is that they will be they

[2:00:59] they'll have two mailings they'll have an email with the documents

[2:01:02] electronically they will get hard copies also and they'll get the book yes

[2:01:09] they'll get a hard copy of the charter yes a Redline copy will be as as part of

[2:01:15] the book as uh I I don't sometimes it's not part of the book sometimes that's an

[2:01:21] attachment I'm not sure how how it's being copied

[2:01:25] but there will be a hard copy presented to every town meeting member with a

[2:01:31] mailed packet to them okay okay so Mich this is a detail I guess because the

[2:01:39] the finance committee report comes out two weeks before town

[2:01:45] meeting that would be the middle of the first week of October

[2:01:52] uh my pre Precinct 15 is going to be meeting the week before that mm so and

[2:01:59] they're going to probably want at least a

[2:02:02] week to look at it before we have a Precinct caucus yeah we've been

[2:02:08] instructed by ANF to get them the document by 11: a. tomorrow is our

[2:02:15] deadline okay all right

[2:02:20] and put you up anybody that's having an early caucus is probably going to have

[2:02:24] to download it yeah they have to get it off the website unless unless to get a

[2:02:30] hard copy mail ahead of time when will the town meeting members get it on the

[2:02:35] website I don't know I don't know the mailing date but we have to have it to

[2:02:40] them by tomorrow okay yeah when will it be available online

[2:02:48] tomorrow tomorrow oh tomorrow tomorrow you guys gotta let me go home so I can

[2:02:53] work on it all right I think uh there's nothing further on the agenda is

[2:02:57] everyone happy with new and old business yeah Okay then if that's the case um is

[2:03:03] there a motion to adjourn motion to

[2:03:07] adjourn second doesn't need to be seconded all in favor thank you very

[2:03:12] much

Plymouth Charter Review Committee: 8/27/24

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