[0:23] >>

[0:24] - Bonjour, tout le monde.

[0:25] Bonsoir.

[0:26] Le 20 avril prochain, c'est le

[0:28] jour de la Terre, comme par les

[0:30] années précédentes, à

[0:31] Pointe-Claire, nous célébrons

[0:33] cette journée en créant un

[0:36] événement. Comme d', habitude il

[0:37] y aura des activités pour les

[0:40] citoyens, on fera la

[0:42] distribution des arbres, et des

[0:45] barils de pluie, etc. mais pour

[0:47] une, première fois il y aura une

[0:50] grande corvée de nettoyage dans

[0:52] chaque district et chaque membre

[0:54] du conseil de la ville y

[0:57] participera. Vous serez donc

[0:59] invité à vous joindre à nous

[1:02] dans un parc près de chez vous.

[1:04] Toutes les informations seront

[1:06] communiquées sur notre site

[1:09] Internet et sur les ressources

[1:12] électroniques. C'est un

[1:13] rendez-vous, le 22 avril

[1:14] prochain, c'est un petit geste

[1:19] qui témoigne de notre intérêt

[1:21] commun à préserver notre

[1:23] environnement.

[1:26] >> April 22nd is earth day. Like

[1:27] every year in Pointe-Claire,

[1:28] we're celebrating the day by

[1:29] creating an event. Similar to

[1:31] previous years, the will be

[1:33] activities for citizens. There

[1:34] will be the distribution of

[1:36] reserve trees and rain barrels,

[1:38] et cetera. But for the first

[1:39] time, there will be a big

[1:41] cleanup and each district and

[1:43] every member of City Council

[1:44] will participate. You'll be

[1:46] invited to join us in a park

[1:48] near you. All the information

[1:49] will be posted on our website

[1:51] and on social networks. So it's

[1:55] the day on April 22nd. A small

[1:57] gesture showing our common

[1:59] interest in preserving our

[2:02] environment.

[2:05] - Mères au front est un

[2:06] mouvement qui a pour mission de

[2:08] rassembler des femmes, des

[2:09] mères, des grand-mères pour

[2:10] mener des activités de

[2:13] mobilisation, d'éducation et de

[2:16] sensibilisation favorables à la

[2:18] protection de l'environnement.

[2:19] Comme vous le, savez plusieurs

[2:21] champs de compétence en matière

[2:25] d'environnement relève des

[2:26] municipalités, donc nous avons

[2:28] de nombreuses opportunités de

[2:31] construire un avenir durable

[2:33] pour les... pour nous et les

[2:34] générations à venir. Ce, soir

[2:36] nous avons le grand plaisir

[2:39] d'accueillir madame Sandra Mack

[2:40] (---)

[2:41] qui viennent nous parler des

[2:43] actions de Mères au Front et

[2:45] nous remettre une chaise décorée

[2:48] par les enfants de l'école

[2:49] primaire de Pointe-Claire avant

[2:51] que la chaise occupe une place

[2:53] dans la salle du conseil. La

[2:56] chaise permettra symboliquement

[2:57] de rappeler aux élus que leurs

[3:00] décisions qui sont prises

[3:01] aujourd'hui à la Ville de

[3:04] Pointe-Claire ont un impact sur

[3:05] les jeunes générations futures.

[3:13] >> Our front is a movement that

[3:15] mission is to carry out

[3:17] activities embolization,

[3:18] education and awareness for the

[3:20] protection of the government. As

[3:22] you know, many areas of

[3:25] environmental jurisdiction fall

[3:26] under the jurisdiction of

[3:27] municipalities, which allows us

[3:29] many opportunities to build a

[3:30] sustainable future for ourselves

[3:32] and future generations. Tonight,

[3:34] we have the great pleasure of

[3:37] welcoming Mrs. Sandra Mackay,

[3:39] who is come to speak to us about

[3:42] an action and to present this

[3:44] with a chair decorated by the

[3:46] children of Pointe-Claire

[3:47] school. The chair will occupy

[3:49] the place in the council

[3:51] chamber. I want to remind the

[3:55] elected officials that the

[3:56] decisions that are made today in

[3:57] the city of Pointe-Claire have

[3:58] an impact on future generations.

[4:02] Miss Mackay, would you like to

[4:03] say a few words before we take

[4:06] some pictures?

[4:22] >> -- I am with my dear

[4:24] colleague. Thank you for time

[4:26] and having us. And for a good

[4:28] decisions Pointe-Claire has

[4:29] made. I salute your initiatives

[4:31] for earth day, obviously. And

[4:34] so, yes, thank you for the good

[4:36] decisions you've made for our

[4:37] environment, our health and I

[4:41] would like to talk to you today

[4:45] as a mother. As a proud member

[4:51] of a two-year-old and

[4:53] five-year-old, excuse me -- I am

[4:55] indeed with a lot of other

[4:57] mothers and grandmothers

[4:58] advocating for a healthier,

[5:00] cleaner future. I am a

[5:04] psychologist here in

[5:05] Pointe-Claire. I work with

[5:06] children, adolescents and

[5:08] adults. Before and even longer,

[5:12] time that I've been a

[5:13] psychologist, I am also

[5:15] environmentalists and social

[5:16] educator. I'm also an advocate

[5:17] with the Canadian association

[5:20] for physicians for the

[5:21] environment. I do many things,

[5:24] as all of you, but I also give

[5:27] conferences about ego inside E

[5:29] to teens and adults because it

[5:32] is a growing phenomenon,

[5:36] unfortunately. Our teens are

[5:38] more and more preoccupied and

[5:41] angry. I would like to add,

[5:44] legitimately so. But they're

[5:46] trying to keep their hopes also,

[5:48] and where there for them for

[5:51] that too because action, hope,

[5:53] it's our best bet. Yes, I wanted

[6:00] to say that, of course, I cannot

[6:05] say things because of

[6:07] confidentiality, but I do have

[6:08] researchers, teachers, health

[6:11] professionals, parents who are

[6:15] concerned about what is

[6:17] happening. Yes, we give them

[6:20] coping strategies, how to manage

[6:22] your stress and stuff like that

[6:24] but I had to take good and

[6:26] coherent action for the

[6:27] environment remains our best

[6:29] move. Of course, all through

[6:32] political levels. We hear it

[6:34] everywhere. Health summits,

[6:37] environmental summits,

[6:38] sustainability summits,

[6:40] municipalities have a great deal

[6:41] of power so accordingly

[6:48] responsibility. When I bring the

[6:50] social justice aspect, it's also

[6:52] because I have more vulnerable

[6:54] populations in mind. So, yes,

[6:57] underprivileged areas, I know

[6:58] we're not in one of them but

[7:01] nearby. First Nations and all

[7:03] the world, certain groups,

[7:06] especially children, especially

[7:08] the elderly and women, outdoor

[7:11] workers, there's a bunch of

[7:12] other groups that get the

[7:17] impacts physiological,

[7:18] psychological and community

[7:21] impact sometimes threefold,

[7:22] tenfold. We're here to give you

[7:27] this generous chair that was

[7:29] made by the class of Miss --

[7:32] fourth graders ego Pointe-Claire

[7:34] right here. The chair is created

[7:37] by kids in more than 16

[7:39] municipalities of Québec as well

[7:40] as neighbourhoods are currently

[7:42] being, have been or will be

[7:45] given to their mayors and

[7:46] councillors. I will read the

[7:47] text that the children are at

[7:51] the Pointe-Claire school. The

[7:54] one they donated to share for

[7:55] you, City Council. They started

[7:56] when it, first of all, we just

[7:58] want to mention our project was

[8:00] done primarily by reusing

[8:02] materials. This brown chair

[8:05] represents a tree. The

[8:06] environment is a important issue

[8:08] that must be considered. The

[8:10] butterfly swings represent us,

[8:12] the youth. We all want to be

[8:13] able to fly away, thrive, fly

[8:16] freely with our own thanks. We

[8:17] want to do so in a clean, safe,

[8:21] healthy world where everyone can

[8:22] grow at their own pace. On the

[8:24] wings, we wrote words filled

[8:25] with hope and think that matter

[8:27] to us. I read just a few of the

[8:31] words that the row -- wanting

[8:33] to, aider les autres. Helping

[8:36] others imagination, imagination.

[8:38] , Amour love, hope.. Espoir.

[8:42] And then they wrote, we left and

[8:44] Prince as an example of the

[8:46] market that we want to leave and

[8:47] a place that we want to take. So

[8:51] I do congratulate you for the

[8:54] good decisions you have made. I

[8:55] hope you continue in that

[8:56] direction or shift current

[9:01] decisions -- I won't lie to you,

[9:04] things are not super hopeful in

[9:06] many respects, but it's not too

[9:08] late to mitigate impacts. There

[9:11] is no hope, but it's not too

[9:14] soon, let's put it that way.

[9:16] Indeed, here and abroad, people

[9:18] are going to many impacts, as I

[9:20] mentioned, and they don't have

[9:23] as many at that patient

[9:25] capacities or choice as we have,

[9:26] but we do. There is no other

[9:30] option in my opinion to take

[9:32] care of this sociological

[9:34] transition that is much needed,

[9:37] 20 years ago if possible. And

[9:39] taking care of the environment

[9:40] does mean taking care of our

[9:43] psychological health,

[9:44] physiological health, community

[9:45] health and the environment per

[9:47] se, of course, but also of our

[9:50] economical health, but you have

[9:51] more and more reports that now

[9:53] say the economic argument no

[9:55] longer is a valid one because

[9:57] there are costs related to

[10:00] prevention, mitigation,

[10:02] reconstruction, damages,

[10:05] insurance and health costs, when

[10:07] we don't take nature into

[10:09] account. Nature-based solutions

[10:11] exist, environmental solutions

[10:14] exists. People all over the

[10:16] world are understanding the

[10:17] importance of not only

[10:18] preserving but adding more green

[10:20] spaces and taking environmental

[10:21] decisions for a better pulmonary

[10:24] health, cardiovascular health,

[10:26] mental health to prevent

[10:28] premature deaths and about 30

[10:31] other health benefits I won't

[10:32] have time to mention. Thank you,

[10:38] nature. So, young generations,

[10:41] as I said, are being vocal and

[10:43] wondering why as a society, we

[10:44] did not do more before. They are

[10:46] angry and preoccupied. I will

[10:50] add, very legitimately so. We

[10:52] can't control what we have not

[10:53] done in the past but with all

[10:55] our kids in mind, our parents

[10:58] and find, all of us in mind, I

[11:01] as a psychologist, environmental

[11:03] educator, social justice

[11:05] educator and as a mother

[11:07] strongly support the idea that

[11:08] we make decisions in that

[11:10] direction. Thank you for the

[11:12] once you do end with our

[11:13] children in mind. I am almost

[11:16] done. We think that children

[11:17] that made this chair for the

[11:19] City Council. They represent the

[11:21] voices of so many others, and we

[11:22] thank them to. We think their

[11:27] teacher Virginia and you, so

[11:28] very much for your time for what

[11:30] you have done and for what he

[11:31] will hopefully continue doing in

[11:35] the social ecological transition

[11:36] together. For them, for you and

[11:38] even for the people who don't

[11:40] feel concerned about

[11:41] environmental issues but aren't

[11:43] less related to the potential

[11:45] impacts or benefits of such

[11:48] decisions. Thank you so much.

[11:51] [Applause]

[12:02] - On peut prendre

[12:03] Une photo, maintenant?

[12:05] - Est-ce qu'on peut prendre une

[12:06] photo de nos enfants maintenant

[12:08] avec la chaise, est-ce que vous

[12:11] acceptez? Je suis psychologue,

[12:12] je vais vous demander votre

[12:14] consentement libre et éclairé,

[12:15] c'est une déformation

[12:16] professionnelle!

[12:17] (rires)

[12:18] (conversations indistinctes)

[12:20] - À, parfait.

[12:23] - Mais après ça...

[12:26] - Monsieur ne veut pas être dans

[12:28] la photo, je crois.

[12:32] - Désolé pour ceux qui...

[12:36] (conversations indistinctes)

[12:45] - Très bien, merci beaucoup pour

[12:47] l'initiative.

[12:49] >> Thank you so much, guys, for

[12:51] the initiative on the part of

[12:52] Council and myself, and thank

[12:54] the children for this wonderful

[12:55] initiative.

[13:19] - Bon, l'ordre du jour.

[13:26] >> 1.1, adoption of the agenda.

[13:28] >> 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

[13:29] jour.: aucun changement. Do I

[13:32] have a mover?

[13:36] >> Cynthia Homan, district five.

[13:42] >> Merci. Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[13:44] district three.

[13:45] >> All in 2.1 Proclamer le mois

[13:46] de mai... favour? Quite the

[13:48] month of May as Jewish heritage

[13:51] month? 2.2 Proclaim May 16,

[13:53] 2023, as Denim for Breast Cancer

[13:54] Day at the City of

[13:57] Pointe-Claire.

[13:59] >> Do I have a mover? No mover

[14:02] or seconder?

[14:04] >> Thank you. 3.1 Approuver le

[14:09] procès-verbal de la séance

[14:10] ordinaire du 14 mars 2023.

[14:12] >> I have a mover?

[14:17] >> Cynthia Homan, district. Five

[14:19] >> Kelly Thorstad-Cullen, this

[14:20] victory.

[14:21] >> All in favour? Okay, question

[14:25] period, I believe. 4 Période de

[14:29] questions, pour la période de

[14:31] questions ce soir, pour la

[14:32] période de questions, vous avez

[14:33] été accueilli à l'entrée pour

[14:35] vous inscrire à la période de

[14:36] questions. L'intention de cette

[14:38] démarche est d'avoir, d'abord de

[14:40] permettre aux personnes de

[14:41] demeurer assise jusqu'à l'appel

[14:43] de leur nom et d'accorder la

[14:45] priorité aux résidents et

[14:48] résidentes de Pointe-Claire. De

[14:51] deux, nous garderons 90 minutes

[14:53] pour la période de questions. De

[14:55] deux, une personne à la fois au

[14:57] micro. Nous vous remercions

[15:00] d'attendre que le citoyen ait

[15:02] terminé de poser sa question et

[15:03] que vous soyez appelés avant de

[15:05] vous lever pour venir poser

[15:07] votre question. Les

[15:09] non-résidents présents pourront

[15:10] poser leurs questions par la

[15:12] suite si le temps n'est pas

[15:13] >> Écoulé. For question period,

[15:17] tonight, during question period,

[15:19] he agreed it at the entrance to

[15:20] register for question period.

[15:22] The goal of this approach is to

[15:23] allow people to remain seated

[15:24] until their name is called, and

[15:27] priority to Pointe-Claire

[15:28] residents. We shall stick to the

[15:29] 90 minute time limit caution

[15:32] paid, number one. To, one person

[15:35] at a time at the microphone.

[15:36] Thank you for waiting for a

[15:37] citizen to finish asking their

[15:39] question and to be called before

[15:40] you get up to ask yours and,

[15:42] three, not residents present

[15:44] will be able to ask questions

[15:45] afterwards if there is still

[15:48] time. Thank you. Question

[15:50] period. Merci beaucoup, période

[15:51] de questions.

[15:56] - Alors...

[15:57] (inaudible)

[15:58] .

[16:07] >> Hi, everyone, thank you for

[16:09] your time. I want to just

[16:10] myself. My name is Sarah -- I am

[16:13] a resident of vanguard avenue in

[16:15] front of -- I am the first of, I

[16:19] believe, several attendees were

[16:20] coming to address planned

[16:23] renovations for the North land

[16:26] Park baseball field the summer.

[16:27] We learned of these plans

[16:29] recently, and they were already

[16:32] quite far along, we understood

[16:33] that. I just want to be clear. I

[16:37] think I speak for the majority

[16:38] of the residents here, we love

[16:39] the baseball field. I love the

[16:45] thing that the bed at night to

[16:46] ensure during December's, it's

[16:48] one of my favourite things

[16:49] about. We are definitely

[16:50] invested in the safety at the

[16:52] players, spectators, to be

[16:55] honest, a little more heavily

[16:56] invested in the homes and cars

[16:57] in the area, as well. But we

[17:00] feel that this can be achieved

[17:02] with at the fence that is

[17:04] planned to be directed at the

[17:08] outside edge of the field. So,

[17:11] recently, we brought this up to

[17:15] our council person Mr. Stork. We

[17:17] have since learned that there is

[17:20] no legal requirement for the

[17:21] large fence at the edge, nor is

[17:23] there any insurance liability

[17:24] linked to this, nor has this

[17:28] been specifically requested by

[17:29] any association that is using

[17:32] the fields for baseball. With

[17:34] this new information, we spoke

[17:35] to many of the residents in the

[17:37] area, and we conducted a

[17:39] petition. We have 123 signatures

[17:42] right now. We could likely get

[17:44] more, we had a limited amount of

[17:46] time to do that. I will also be

[17:51] submitting a map that we have,

[17:53] which is coloured in, showing

[17:54] how many other residents

[17:57] directly directly surrounding

[17:58] the park have signed. Of the 74

[18:05] homes directly around the park,

[18:06] 56 at the home signed, and in

[18:08] those cases, many of the homes

[18:10] contained multiple signers of

[18:11] the petition. That's 76% of the

[18:15] local residents that support

[18:18] moving forward, if possible,

[18:20] without the fence. I would like

[18:22] to ask today, if we can count on

[18:25] Council support to support the

[18:30] residents and to remove the

[18:31] fence for the plans of

[18:32] renovating the park? I ask Mr.

[18:38] Stork if you can speak out and

[18:39] tell us your opinion on whether

[18:40] this is necessary.

[18:44] >> Go ahead, Eric.

[18:47] >> Basically, if I think I made

[18:50] myself public in my position.

[18:52] I've done a lot of homework and

[18:53] look at the other parks in the

[18:56] area, their locations and usages

[18:57] and such. After speaking with

[19:00] all of you and I would not use

[19:04] the word pushback, because that

[19:07] would be in a proper, but the

[19:08] concerns about. But it basically

[19:10] boils down to, in my opinion, is

[19:11] the pros and cons of having a

[19:14] fence. What is gained by the

[19:16] baseball players in reference to

[19:17] the and lost to the citizens of

[19:20] the area. I bet myself

[19:21] transparent terms of my

[19:22] communication. I've reached out

[19:24] to Council. I don't want to talk

[19:27] on how the procedure will work,

[19:29] but basically we'll speak today,

[19:30] and at one point next week,

[19:32] we'll discuss it in caucus, and

[19:34] a decision will be made.

[19:37] Personally, for myself, I am of

[19:39] the belief that when you weigh

[19:41] the pros and cons of having the

[19:43] fence or not having the fence,

[19:45] we're better off not having the

[19:46] fence. That is my position.

[19:47] >> Thank you. Thank you for your

[19:52] time.

[19:53] >> I was just going to say, I

[19:54] speak for Council. I am not as

[19:59] informed on as Councillor

[20:00] Stork's, for sure. We did

[20:02] deliberate a long time over this

[20:03] at the time. We thought we were

[20:05] doing a good thing. We thought

[20:06] that people would be happy with

[20:08] it. There is not elaborate tempt

[20:11] --

[20:12] >> We understand.

[20:13] >> We're reflecting at the

[20:14] moment. We still need to reflect

[20:15] on it. Myself, especially,

[20:17] because I want to be more

[20:19] forward on it. We thought it

[20:20] would be a good thing. If it is

[20:22] not a good thing, will

[20:25] deliberate accordingly.

[20:27] >> We're very excited to

[20:28] renovate the field, it's a bit

[20:30] that the fence is really the

[20:32] immediate issue for us.

[20:33] >> Can you tell me why, just

[20:35] briefly, give me a couple --

[20:37] >> I want still they done there

[20:39] of other speakers, but it's a

[20:43] multi use base that families use

[20:44] for so many different reasons.

[20:47] Baseball is a very small time

[20:48] period of the year, and the rest

[20:51] of the ear is used for 1 million

[20:53] things. I can say personally,

[20:55] that my daughter at some of her

[20:56] first steps there. They would

[20:57] not be possible with the fans

[21:00] there. She flew her first kite.

[21:02] There are all sorts of different

[21:04] things. We play soccer, have all

[21:05] sorts of fun, and we love that

[21:08] part because of that reason,

[21:09] because it's right in front of

[21:10] our homes and we can use it for

[21:12] 1 million different things, I

[21:14] think I can speak for many of

[21:15] the residents in the area that

[21:16] we all enjoyed that green space,

[21:18] and it is unique and its value.

[21:21] That's the primary reason for

[21:23] asking it not to be closed off

[21:25] and fenced for baseball.

[21:28] Baseball amazing, bring it on,

[21:29] we love it. He was that like to

[21:30] be able to access that green

[21:31] space.

[21:32] >> Thank you.

[21:33] >> Thank you.

[21:44] >> Good evening, everybody, and

[21:46] thank you for the opportunity to

[21:47] speak tonight to the Councillors

[21:49] and Mister Mayor. The good news

[21:50] is that advocacy is alive and

[21:53] well and our woods. It's good to

[21:57] have everybody out. We've made a

[21:58] number of times with Mr. Stork.

[22:00] Some of the things that he's

[22:02] included in the email to each of

[22:03] you and some of the things that

[22:05] Sarah just said. I was asked to

[22:08] contribute a little bit on the

[22:09] community part or what I

[22:11] referred to the last couple of

[22:12] days, the social impact of

[22:14] having the fence there. It

[22:16] really goes towards and turns

[22:18] into the presentation that Sarah

[22:20] started the meeting off with,

[22:22] the green space and how that

[22:23] goes along with it. We strongly

[22:26] feel that the fence, although

[22:29] from a baseball perspective,

[22:31] perhaps, having certain points

[22:35] that are valid and associated

[22:37] with it, because the park is

[22:39] used throughout the year,

[22:40] because the park is used by

[22:42] multiple groups, certainly as

[22:45] residents who face the park --

[22:47] as I am doing the dishes, I am

[22:49] looking at baseball and on the

[22:51] other activities, but family,

[22:53] small activities and local

[22:54] schools, the parks program, the

[22:56] list can go on, but it's really

[23:00] the openness that space allows

[23:03] for people to use. Mr. Stork has

[23:10] mentioned dog walkers and

[23:12] non-dog walkers. One of our

[23:14] friends mentioned the fact that

[23:15] people just come to the park,

[23:18] and it's a spontaneous picnic or

[23:21] family outing that is there.

[23:22] Although the actual physical

[23:24] green space might not be

[23:26] impacted, the aspect of having a

[23:30] fence totally in closing the

[23:31] area along all the other fences

[23:35] that are in the park, a large

[23:36] one for the tennis court, the

[23:38] storage, around the pool,

[23:39] obviously, we feel that one more

[23:41] offence would just impact that

[23:47] openness and the family use and

[23:50] social aspect that comes along

[23:51] with the park. We're asking you

[23:53] to reconsider the plans for the

[23:56] fence.

[23:57] >> Thank you for that. I just

[23:59] wanted to make something clear.

[24:01] It's not totally enclosed. The

[24:04] fence that exist now on each

[24:06] side onto first base and third

[24:08] base are only slightly being

[24:11] extended, then it is open and

[24:13] just the field fence. It's not

[24:15] an enclosed area. I just want to

[24:16] make clear that statement on the

[24:18] plants that you know, you can

[24:20] walk right through to the other

[24:22] side. It's just that the back is

[24:24] where the fence is. It is not an

[24:26] enclosed area. Just to clarify

[24:28] before other people get up and

[24:30] share their thoughts.

[24:31] >> I am not quite sure to what

[24:32] you are referring to as the

[24:34] enclosed area. With the plans

[24:35] that we saw or were presented to

[24:37] us --

[24:38] >> Defence and at the third

[24:39] base, not the first base, and is

[24:42] only the outfield fence that

[24:43] exist. It does not continue all

[24:44] the way around. I just want to

[24:48] reassure you that is the actual

[24:50] plan to exist.

[24:58] >> Yeah, sorry, I think that was

[25:00] explained. The fence that is

[25:03] there is potentially being part

[25:04] of this is the outside fence. It

[25:06] is not an enclosed area. You can

[25:08] walk around from the side. We

[25:10] talked about that. You can walk

[25:13] around the corners. That is what

[25:14] I am saying.

[25:16] >> That is what the Councillor

[25:17] is trying to clarify. It is not

[25:19] an enclosed area.

[25:27] >> Go ahead, Kelly.

[25:50] >> There is no mesh.

[26:04] >> Is there any subsequent?

[26:06] >> No, no, that was it.

[26:09] >> Okay, from what I understand,

[26:13] it goes from first base to third

[26:15] base, and it's that enclosure

[26:18] from first base to third base

[26:19] that is the problem, even though

[26:21] there is space at the sites.

[26:34] We will see Kelly's drawing

[26:35] skills.

[26:39] >> He is third base. Here is

[26:42] first. It's slightly being

[26:45] extended for safety reasons. The

[26:49] netting is higher by 20 feet

[26:55] . This is all open space, open

[27:01] space.

[27:07] >> That's actually defence that

[27:11] were --

[27:12] [Inaudible]

[27:25] More than this -- I think that

[27:29] is the question, that there is

[27:32] full access.

[27:35] >> Thanks, Kelly.

[27:39] >> All that to say, I think we

[27:41] understood that, regardless of

[27:43] the openness on the two sides.

[27:45] From the people that lived there

[27:47] that use that park, it will

[27:55] impact how people use that park.

[27:57] There is a freedom associated

[28:00] with, whether it's a person

[28:02] flying a kite, using that space

[28:04] that continues out -- thank you.

[28:14] >> Thank you.

[28:18] >> Don Gill?

[28:24] >> Good evening, thank you for

[28:26] letting me at the opportunity to

[28:27] speak. I will just comment,

[28:29] thank you for opening the doors,

[28:32] so to speak. So you need to

[28:36] imagine a large tennis courts

[28:37] with chain link fence on the

[28:39] other side of their base, also

[28:41] the pool has eight foot chain

[28:45] link fence with barbed wire

[28:46] around the permit are, and there

[28:48] is a child. A couple of trees,

[28:54] and then the whole permit are,

[28:55] essentially, yes, you can get

[28:56] out, but it starts to look like

[28:59] trying to keep people out or

[29:00] trying to keep people in. It's

[29:03] not an open space concept that

[29:06] is correct and there since the

[29:08] late 50s. We want to maintain

[29:11] the current appeal of the park

[29:14] for the neighbours but my

[29:20] question or comment that I would

[29:24] like to raise the idea of saving

[29:26] city money by not building this

[29:29] perimeter fence. While

[29:32] intentionally, -- initially well

[29:35] intentioned, and now establishes

[29:37] that the perimeter fence is not

[29:39] required. That tens of thousands

[29:41] of dollars of this construction

[29:43] cost and feature maintenance

[29:45] cost could be redirected from

[29:47] the project plan to other

[29:50] activities within Pointe-Claire,

[29:52] that, of course, we're

[29:54] struggling to find funds for and

[29:59] unnecessarily exploits. We just

[30:02] ask City Council to reconsider

[30:03] that choice of the project plan

[30:04] and redirect those funds to

[30:06] other activities all over

[30:08] Pointe-Claire.

[30:09] >> From my understanding, we're

[30:11] already committed to that

[30:12] expenditure, it is how we

[30:15] expended, my correct on the?

[30:19] >> So the tender is out.

[30:22] >> The tender is out.

[30:23] >> But if the plant has changed,

[30:25] then the tender value can be

[30:27] reduced.

[30:28] >> Or we can compensate in some

[30:29] other way, if we're committed to

[30:32] the expenditure.

[30:33] >> 60 paths, yeah, absolutely.

[30:35] Thank you very much for your

[30:38] time.

[30:39] >> The contract is already done

[30:41] in March.

[30:42] >> Is?

[30:43] >> Is already gave in March.

[30:45] >> It is already done. It has

[30:48] already been given.

[30:49] >> It has been awarded and

[30:50] March.

[30:52] >> Pardon me --

[31:06] >> I think it's the community's

[31:07] understanding that there is an

[31:09] open culture for the change?

[31:12] >> I am not sure

[31:18] -- either the polls on the

[31:21] contract?

[31:22] >> I cannot answer your question

[31:23] right now. I don't have the

[31:24] answer. We probably need to

[31:26] negotiate with the contractor.

[31:29] It's been given in March, so I

[31:31] think it's a month or so.

[31:34] >> But, of course, the idea if

[31:37] you come and look at the

[31:38] neighbourhood, adding a more

[31:40] chain link fence around the

[31:42] small park is not well favoured

[31:43] by the community, particularly

[31:47] in this case, where we are

[31:48] looking at the park full-time,

[31:50] so thank you very much for your

[31:51] time.

[31:52] >> Okay, thank you.

[31:55] >> Dave Webb.

[32:06] >> Good evening, everybody.

[32:08] Thank you for allowing me to

[32:10] speak this evening and

[32:18] councillors madame Thibault,

[32:20] madame Gutierrez. My name is

[32:23] Dave Webb, I am a former

[32:25] councillor on the city of

[32:27] Pointe-Claire and the previous

[32:29] administration. Over the last

[32:30] couple of months, I've heard

[32:32] some very disturbing things

[32:34] happening at the meetings,

[32:35] especially people making

[32:39] comments towards elected

[32:44] members, vacant comments that

[32:45] they may be in cahoots with the

[32:48] developers, that they're not

[32:50] taking the citizens wishes and

[32:54] the manse under consideration

[33:00] and may be reaching their

[33:02] integrity as councillors. Let me

[33:03] tell you that I spent four years

[33:05] on Council with six of these

[33:08] councillors. These people

[33:11] exhibit great integrity. They

[33:13] are dedicated to the city that

[33:14] they are representing, and the

[33:18] six councillors also represent

[33:20] the community where they live

[33:22] and work that represent. They

[33:24] represent the people that were

[33:26] duly elected, and in a

[33:27] democracy, duly elected people

[33:30] make decisions based on not only

[33:32] the people in their own

[33:35] districts but on the things that

[33:36] are best for the city as a

[33:37] whole. I commend you all,

[33:40] including the mayor himself and

[33:43] Mr. Tremblay who beat me out

[33:45] Square and the last election. I

[33:47] commend you all for giving us

[33:49] your time and efforts to

[33:50] represent the city. I was also

[33:54] disturbed last meeting and

[33:58] between last meeting and this

[34:00] meeting when I heard of an

[34:02] incident where the Mayor for

[34:07] issues coming up about the

[34:09] placement and the voting taking

[34:11] place at City Hall, which was a

[34:14] decision that is made by Madam

[34:18] Thibault, Caroline Thibault, on

[34:20] the half of the city, as she is

[34:22] the chief electoral officer for

[34:24] the district. There were

[34:25] comments made by the mayor, --

[34:31] Madam Thibault's office and the

[34:35] city manager's office, Madame

[34:38] Verdun. It's something becoming,

[34:42] and I am really appalled that

[34:45] anything that Mr. Thomas said

[34:48] it's not something to him or

[34:51] should say. You have an

[34:54] extremely dedicated staff at the

[34:57] City who work day in and day out

[35:00] with integrity. They serve the

[35:02] people of our community. They

[35:05] make sure that all of our

[35:06] service are run properly,

[35:08] everything is run correctly, and

[35:11] you seem to be willing to, first

[35:13] of all, not work with them and,

[35:16] also, hang them out to dry at

[35:18] certain times. At the same time,

[35:22] you're very disrespectful to the

[35:24] Councillors. So before I ask you

[35:26] my first question, Mister Mayor.

[35:28] I want to bring up something

[35:29] here, if you would permit me. I

[35:38] can never find it when I am

[35:39] looking for it.

[35:47] Bear with me a second, here we

[35:50] go. So, in the city of

[35:56] Pointe-Claire, we have something

[36:00] that is called the Public

[36:03] council bylaws. I will just read

[36:04] a couple of sections. Section

[36:09] 59, question period, questions

[36:12] may only contain the words

[36:16] necessary to obtain the

[36:18] information requested. A

[36:19] question is out of order, when,

[36:21] and there are five different

[36:22] things when a question is out of

[36:23] order. I will only read four and

[36:26] five. A question is out of order

[36:29] when it contains seditious or

[36:31] abusive comments, and a question

[36:32] is also out of order when it

[36:34] contains personal attacks,

[36:36] anyone knows, obscenity's or

[36:38] swearing. It goes on further to

[36:40] say, no person may, no person

[36:44] may use a disrespectful,

[36:46] offending or violent language

[36:48] against Council or against

[36:50] anyone, referred to the

[36:52] chairman, you, Mister Mayor,

[36:55] otherwise in a disrespectful

[36:57] way, interrupt or hinder that

[36:59] meeting with applause, noise,

[37:01] uproar or otherwise. These are

[37:04] called, as pointed out earlier,

[37:07] okay, just a second here. These

[37:12] are all things that can be

[37:13] considered out of order. It's

[37:15] here that the chairperson or the

[37:17] chair of the meeting, which is

[37:20] the merit to open the meeting,

[37:22] the chairman may limit or roll

[37:25] order of any person in order of

[37:27] this bylaw or who exceeds the

[37:29] time allowed of the question

[37:31] period or the rate of any person

[37:34] present who asked questions, if

[37:36] order or decorum cannot be

[37:38] maintained, the chairman may

[37:40] adjourned the council meeting.

[37:42] So my first question to you,

[37:43] Mister Mayor, and I am glad that

[37:45] I got appear before all the

[37:48] people that came up -- the usual

[37:51] list of suspects that come up

[37:52] and complain about all the bad

[37:53] things that are going in the

[37:55] city without actually offering

[37:57] any suggestions on how to make

[37:59] things better, just come up here

[38:02] and complain and complain --

[38:04] when you've got something that

[38:05] you want to say to the

[38:07] Councillors, and we are not in

[38:09] accordance with the thinking,

[38:10] please bring us a solution,

[38:12] don't just come up here --

[38:14] anyways, I digress. So my first

[38:16] question, Mister Mayor, will you

[38:19] enforce the bylaw for this

[38:20] council meeting?

[38:23] >> We'll enforce that when you

[38:25] just read?

[38:26] >> Yeah. You have read it.

[38:30] >> I have, sure. Here is the

[38:31] thing.

[38:34] >> Go on.

[38:35] >> Are you going to repeat

[38:36] everything I say? You were

[38:38] talking about decorum, sir.

[38:41] >> Go ahead.

[38:42] >> Thank you for allowing me to

[38:43] speak, I appreciate it. I am

[38:47] first and foremost a Democrat. I

[38:49] really, really strongly believe

[38:52] in the citizen's right to

[38:53] express themselves. I have said

[38:57] through many political processes

[38:59] in my life where I have seen

[39:02] that not occur to the extent it

[39:04] should. I have brought, I think,

[39:07] a different style to how I

[39:09] handle meetings. I was a

[39:12] university professor for 14

[39:13] years, I taught three hour

[39:15] seminars, I let people talk as

[39:17] long as they wanted. I felt it

[39:18] was important to let everybody

[39:19] express themselves and never cut

[39:20] people short. I have no problems

[39:24] with that, I've done it my whole

[39:25] life. I went to university with

[39:28] sovereigntists, got along, we

[39:30] all exchanged ideas, we talk to

[39:32] our ears out. I think in

[39:34] question period, some of the

[39:36] rules limiting cajoling,

[39:39] constraining don't necessarily

[39:40] benefit the democracy of

[39:41] Pointe-Claire. I understand the

[39:43] bylaws and I use them with as

[39:45] much leeway as I can. I feel

[39:48] I've allowed my critics as much

[39:49] or more time than my supporters

[39:51] in this chamber. I think that

[39:54] will make everybody at home

[39:55] happier at the end of the night

[39:56] than to shut people down. That

[39:59] is my paramount rule on this

[40:02] process. I apply the same thing

[40:06] to myself. I would also like to

[40:11] be able to express my political

[40:13] convictions. As a citizen of

[40:19] district one, as the current

[40:23] councillor representative of

[40:25] district one, and as the mayor

[40:27] of district one, I feel I have

[40:28] to voice the needs of my

[40:32] constituents and my citizens. I

[40:34] believe I should defend their

[40:35] democratic rights. My feeling on

[40:42] the locations of elections, the

[40:45] ability of people to get out and

[40:46] vote, really matters. We have

[40:49] low voter turnout. We have

[40:51] extremely low voter turnout at

[40:52] the municipal level. Maybe it

[40:54] has something to do with the

[40:55] rules. Maybe it's got something

[40:57] to do with the way we proceed

[40:59] and do things. Maybe we can make

[41:03] it a more open, fluid,

[41:05] welcoming, democratic process. I

[41:06] don't know. My feeling is that

[41:13] it is really paramount to allow

[41:15] people to vote where they live.

[41:17] We tend to have elections --

[41:21] excuse me -- in the districts.

[41:23] We have the writing where people

[41:25] go and vote, the polling

[41:27] stations. We do that for a

[41:29] reason. They feel comfortable,

[41:31] they can walk there. It'll

[41:35] encourage them. It becomes more

[41:37] men fuzzy, they are familiar

[41:39] with, it so people get used to

[41:41] that. You have it in the

[41:45] district so they can walk. I

[41:47] feel that bringing it to the

[41:50] City Hall is north of the

[41:52] district and they have to cross,

[41:54] either cross it by car or ago

[41:56] under underpasses on the 20. It

[41:58] mitigates against the full

[42:02] participation of voters. There

[42:04] is an elevator, there is a

[42:05] second floor. It's a fairly

[42:07] imposing building, it's not a

[42:09] familiar place for the people of

[42:11] district one. As a Democrat, I

[42:13] think it's really important that

[42:16] we keep polling stations in

[42:18] their districts. I will say

[42:19] that, I reserve my right to say

[42:20] that, I don't think, in my

[42:24] position, I should be denied the

[42:25] right to express that, as I feel

[42:26] I have been recently. I did not

[42:31] mean to personalize this in any

[42:33] way to the chief Attorney

[42:35] officer. I did not mean to make

[42:37] this her fault at all. I will

[42:39] make this objection anywhere,

[42:42] anytime, any community, any

[42:43] constituency, I will make this

[42:45] objection, I made it three years

[42:46] ago, I will make it now, and I

[42:48] will make it ten years from now.

[42:49] I don't apologize for saying

[42:50] this. I apologize if people felt

[42:53] they were thrown under the bus.

[42:54] I was not throwing the person

[42:55] under the bus. The chief

[42:58] attorney officer can do whatever

[42:59] they want and they have the

[43:00] right to do so. Okay? However,

[43:06] that is not their fault. This is

[43:08] not the only place this has

[43:10] occurred. It's happened a lot of

[43:12] other places. It's a normal

[43:14] procedure people are comfortable

[43:16] with and gets used in different

[43:18] municipalities. I don't like it.

[43:19] I want to express I don't like.

[43:21] It I don't want to personalize

[43:22] it. I didn't mean to personalize

[43:23] it. But I really need to say it

[43:27] and I reserve my right to

[43:29] express my political opinion. I

[43:30] would like to make voting and

[43:33] easy procedure as much as

[43:34] possible at the municipal level.

[43:36] As the representative of that

[43:38] district, I felt that this may

[43:39] not be the best way to do so.

[43:42] That was my reaction. As for not

[43:48] working with my staff, I've

[43:49] worked very well with my staff.

[43:50] This is probably my major gaffe,

[43:53] if it is a gap. Am not convinced

[43:54] it's a gaffe, but it might be. I

[43:57] don't think I have been

[43:59] disrespectful to my fellow

[44:00] councillors. I've tried not to

[44:01] be in my exchanges with them.

[44:04] You have seen the way meetings

[44:05] get conducted here. I do my best

[44:09] not to behave with any

[44:10] disrespect. I do agree with your

[44:14] comment that you can't say

[44:15] something you can't prove. I

[44:18] think that is a real problem. I

[44:20] agree with you on that one. I've

[44:22] been getting on that one. I

[44:24] think you are right on that one.

[44:26] You can't insinuate, or imply,

[44:27] or attribute something to

[44:28] someone if you cannot prove. It

[44:29] I'm with you 100 percent on that

[44:30] one. Hopefully that answer helps

[44:31] a little.

[44:35] >> That was a very eloquent and

[44:37] interesting non answer but I

[44:38] will take it.

[44:39] >> I don't know if it was a non

[44:40] answer.

[44:41] >> I haven't asked my second

[44:42] question yet.

[44:45] >> My second question is, let me

[44:47] just reference that I give all

[44:49] of your detractors equal time

[44:52] and don't interrupt them. At the

[44:56] last council meeting, Mrs. Susan

[44:59] Weaver asked you a question

[45:00] about comments you made on J 80

[45:04] about, first of all, Cadillac

[45:06] Fairview, the Greenwich project,

[45:09] the high vacancy rates in

[45:11] Greenwich. You made the comment

[45:13] on these same interview, by the

[45:14] way, with a lion stomach owes

[45:16] who I find is hilarious now.

[45:20] He's finally trying -- he can

[45:22] see right through you. Anyways,

[45:24] you made comments that Fairview

[45:27] shopping centre was not only

[45:28] going to be building on the

[45:32] corner lot or whatever, they

[45:33] actually had plans to build on

[45:35] the entire parking lot, which is

[45:36] completely false. You also maybe

[45:39] false comments that the reason

[45:42] you didn't want them to build

[45:43] this entire project on Fairview

[45:45] was because there's already a

[45:46] lack of parking there. You

[45:47] mentioned that at anytime they

[45:49] dropped by the parking lot it is

[45:51] always full. Which is not true.

[45:52] If you left the village once in

[45:54] a while, you would probably see

[45:56] that over there. Then you went

[45:57] on to make comments to the

[46:00] effect that the Greenwich

[46:02] project, the Sotramont project

[46:04] had a very high vacancy rate.

[46:06] Mentioning, I don't know if you

[46:07] mentioned the condos or

[46:08] whatever. All the condos that

[46:10] are currently listed on centrist

[46:12] right now that are for sale in

[46:14] Greenwich Village are being sold

[46:16] by owners, not the actual

[46:17] project. I stopped by the

[46:21] apartments a couple days after

[46:23] you made the comment. I went in

[46:24] and met the sales agent. I was

[46:26] sitting at their desk. I asked

[46:28] her about the new building which

[46:30] is going up, be third building,

[46:31] which is only going to have --

[46:35] they are moving in July of 2024.

[46:37] They are only going to start the

[46:39] leases or whatever about six

[46:41] months before and they are

[46:42] starting to take the waiting

[46:43] list. I asked her in the two

[46:46] buildings existing what you told

[46:47] me was 175 units per building.

[46:53] Two buildings, 352 units,

[46:55] actually. The vacancy was four

[46:58] apartments, which is a vacancy

[46:59] of one point 14. I don't find

[47:02] that to be a high vacancy rate.

[47:03] I will just further to the

[47:05] question of Mrs. weaver asking

[47:07] you, where do you get your facts

[47:08] when you make all these absurd

[47:12] claims on radio stations?

[47:15] >> Which ones are absurd?

[47:17] >> That the high vacancy rate in

[47:19] the Greenwich project -- that

[47:24] Cadillac Fairview is planning on

[47:26] developing the entire parking

[47:27] lot. They wanted it to be the

[47:30] downtown of the city. It's not

[47:31] the entire parking lot. You just

[47:35] come up with these things off

[47:36] the top of your head --

[47:38] >> And do we know what Cadillac

[47:39] Fairview -- what Cadillac

[47:41] Fairview is building on that lot

[47:42] yet?

[47:43] >> You don't know.

[47:44] >> How can you say what it is?

[47:46] There is a plan to redevelop

[47:49] that -- excuse me, Mr. Webb.

[47:52] >> You are interrupting me.

[47:53] >> Have you asked your question?

[47:55] You just asked your second

[47:56] question.

[47:57] >> Also in the bylaws it says

[47:58] this will not -- give me your

[48:00] answer.

[48:01] >> Thank, you I am trying to.

[48:03] >> Go ahead.

[48:04] >> Thank you for allowing me to

[48:05] speak, Mr. Webb. As far as

[48:09] what's happening on Mu1, my

[48:12] understanding is there is a

[48:13] development going into Mu1. I

[48:15] suspect that it will be, it will

[48:19] entail the entire lot.

[48:23] Accordingly, if there is a

[48:24] building project going in there,

[48:26] which we don't know what it is,

[48:27] it's going to take the entire

[48:28] lot. I think that's a fair

[48:31] statement.

[48:32] >> What do you mean by the

[48:33] entire lot?

[48:34] >> They will develop the entire

[48:35] Mu1 lot.

[48:38] >> They are only -- it has been

[48:40] proposed. It is for the top

[48:44] northwest corner near the rim,

[48:46] on their own property. It's not

[48:47] the entire lot.

[48:49] >> Mr. Webb, this is my answer

[48:50] now. And that remains to be

[48:51] seen. I suspect, I will bet you

[48:57] right now, gentleman's bet, it

[48:58] will entail the entire lot.

[49:00] Between you and me, we will see

[49:01] that in four, five years time.

[49:05] As for what I said on the show,

[49:07] everything factually correct.

[49:09] What Mrs. weaver was implying

[49:14] was she misquoted me on that.

[49:16] However, there was one section

[49:19] where I meant to say something

[49:21] other than what I said. The

[49:22] entire interview was fine. I

[49:25] encourage anybody to listen to

[49:26] it. What I meant to say was, it

[49:27] is the highest percentage of

[49:29] resale in Pointe-Claire, it is

[49:32] the Greenwich project. Which

[49:34] means it is at the highest level

[49:36] of dissatisfaction of occupants

[49:38] there. It has the highest

[49:40] percentage every so.

[49:41] Unfortunately, it came out as

[49:42] occupancy. You are right on that

[49:43] one. The actual stronger point

[49:48] is that there is a higher level

[49:49] of resale in the Greenwich

[49:51] project. There is more

[49:53] dissatisfaction, a higher

[49:54] turnover of people living there

[49:56] than anywhere else in

[49:57] Pointe-Claire, which is a better

[49:58] argument than the one I meant to

[49:59] make when I was saying it. Thank

[50:01] you very much. That's my answer

[50:03] to that, Mr. Webb.

[50:05] >> Thank you very much, sir.

[50:06] >> Thank you.

[50:09] >>

[50:10] - Prochaine personne...

[50:15] --

[50:18] >> Good evening, Mister Mayor,

[50:19] City Council. Everybody around

[50:25] --

[50:26] >> Closer to the mic, please,

[50:27] sir.

[50:28] >> Everybody runs and before the

[50:31] eviction on transparency and

[50:34] integrity and working with the

[50:38] citizen residents of

[50:39] Pointe-Claire. As you see,

[50:42] already from the previous

[50:44] administration coming that

[50:47] people but is the saying the

[50:48] right thing as since last spring

[50:51] when they did the meeting about

[50:58] the recent Cadillac Fairview

[51:00] from the freeze -- the majority

[51:03] of people was against the

[51:05] project. If you are talking

[51:07] about democratic, that was the

[51:08] democratic last spring. The

[51:12] majority, again, is Cadillac

[51:14] Fairview because they went to

[51:15] reserve the forest and again

[51:19] it's 25 high rise buildings.

[51:23] That is the answer to the

[51:24] gentleman to what he said, we

[51:25] can't attack or insult the City

[51:28] Council. As I said, it is still

[51:32] running the same policy of what

[51:34] is -- was running when he went

[51:39] to Pointe-Claire as a downtown.

[51:41] We are against that. We are not

[51:44] against the developer. We need

[51:46] housing for the young

[51:48] generation, future generations,

[51:50] that's your kids, your

[51:51] grandkids, you see the lady here

[51:52] from the Pointe-Claire premier

[51:56] school what she said. So please,

[52:01] Mister Mayor, when somebody asks

[52:02] you a question, you answered

[52:03] with respect and behave. You

[52:08] never left the room. When I ask

[52:10] my question last month, the

[52:14] three leading Cadillac Fairview

[52:15] resolution left the room.

[52:19] >> You can't say they're leading

[52:20] the Cadillac Fairview

[52:21] resolution.

[52:22] >> They do the resolution. They

[52:24] came with a resolution.

[52:28] >> Make a comment, please?

[52:30] >> Yes.

[52:31] >> I love the room not because

[52:32] you asked a question. I left the

[52:34] room because you basically

[52:36] accused most of us here of being

[52:39] -- of Cadillac Fairview. That's

[52:40] why I left the room.

[52:44] >> Thank, you Mister Mayor.

[52:46] >> I asked if you have any --

[52:49] >> You didn't ask.

[52:53] >> I heard you too many times.

[52:55] Can I continue?

[52:56] >> Yes, if you are getting to a

[52:57] question.

[53:00] >> Please, that's what I said.

[53:01] If you have any connection or

[53:03] anything, just as a

[53:04] professional, excuse yourself

[53:08] from the negotiation. When you

[53:12] are dealing with Cadillac

[53:14] Fairview or you are working for

[53:15] Cadillac Fairview --

[53:17] >> Is there a question?

[53:18] >> That's what I'm saying.

[53:20] >> What is the question?

[53:22] >> The question is supposed to

[53:24] be people dealing with

[53:28] developers or Cadillac Fairview,

[53:29] they are supposed to excuse

[53:31] themselves from the negotiation.

[53:32] And that is a conflict of

[53:33] interest.

[53:35] >> That's a statement you are

[53:37] making. I'm wondering what your

[53:38] question is.

[53:41] >> Is that possible for the

[53:43] coming --

[53:46] >> For councillors to excuse

[53:48] themselves?

[53:49] >> Who is dealing or working

[53:50] with Cadillac Fairview.

[53:51] >> Only if it is proven that

[53:53] there is. I'm not even sure what

[53:54] the law is on that anyhow. You

[53:58] can't ask people to excuse

[54:00] themselves for something they

[54:01] have not been proven to have

[54:02] done.

[54:03] >> I'm just asking. They are all

[54:05] running on prosperity.

[54:06] >> What I just said is you can't

[54:08] ask them to excuse themselves

[54:09] for something they have not done

[54:11] or have not been proven to have

[54:12] done.

[54:15] >> The majority, when they did

[54:19] already last spring, the

[54:20] majority is against and they

[54:21] want to keep Cadillac Fairview

[54:25] forest and people since more

[54:27] than two years the demonstration

[54:28] every Saturday to keep the

[54:29] forest.

[54:31] >> I understand. The problem I

[54:35] have as we are working on an

[54:36] urban plan. We are re-making the

[54:39] city's urban plan and we don't

[54:40] know how people are going to

[54:42] decide or what any of the

[54:43] Council or myself -- we are not

[54:46] there yet. We can't be

[54:50] criticized, they, we, whoever it

[54:51] cannot be criticized until we've

[54:53] done something that confirms

[54:54] what you are saying, that

[54:57] confirms the criticism. We don't

[54:58] know what the result will be at

[54:59] the end of this urban plan. It

[55:01] may be very much to your liking.

[55:03] It is possible, is it not? It

[55:07] could be a favourable result. We

[55:09] don't know. We can't assume

[55:11] people are going to behave in a

[55:13] certain way when they have not

[55:14] gotten there yet. That is where

[55:15] I am coming from. Do you know

[55:18] what I'm saying?

[55:19] >> I understand. But the public,

[55:22] publicly, you involve the public

[55:26] and already they do the same

[55:28] thing on consulting the public

[55:29] from consultation last spring,

[55:32] more than 100 people came and

[55:35] they didn't stop the project.

[55:37] >> Sorry, which --

[55:39] >> About Cadillac Fairview?

[55:41] >> I don't remember a

[55:42] consultation.

[55:45] >> It wasn't exultation, we had

[55:47] a meeting to answer questions.

[55:50] >> It was a town hall.

[55:52] >> You are talking about the

[55:54] town halls?

[55:55] >> That wasn't a public

[55:56] consultation, sir.

[55:58] >> I was there. The majority was

[55:59] against all that. I'm saying, as

[56:03] a democratic way, that is my

[56:04] first question. The second

[56:05] question --

[56:08] >> That wasn't a question, I

[56:09] agree. What's your next

[56:10] question?

[56:15] >> When I mentioned about May

[56:20] hood, what is she going to do?

[56:23] What did you do already buy the

[56:25] traffic in the neighbourhood,

[56:26] especially when they have a

[56:27] project that's going to be them

[56:32] as the dealer.

[56:39] >> I have I -- I have no idea

[56:40] what your question is right now.

[56:42] >> We tell you about the

[56:45] traffic, the primary school

[56:48] there. People they avoid someone

[56:53] and they passed by -- to avoid

[56:58] the stop sign. We told you about

[57:02] it when there was a meeting and

[57:04] the review. What did you do or

[57:06] what you're going to do to try

[57:07] to help slow down the traffic?

[57:13] Instead of going to Saint John

[57:14] they go to Maywood?

[57:17] >> I think I've made myself

[57:18] clear, I mention it today on

[57:21] replying to a post. First we

[57:22] have to see what project goes

[57:24] there. I can tell you right now,

[57:25] for the residents on May would,

[57:27] everything has to be looked at.

[57:29] One thing I'm an advocate of,

[57:30] regardless of what goes there,

[57:32] what was announced today as we

[57:33] are all aware it's going to be

[57:34] long term health care -- one

[57:38] thing I'm a proponent of, we

[57:39] cannot stop them from doing

[57:40] that, we are going to have to

[57:42] deal with the situation that

[57:44] exists and we will have to

[57:45] mitigate the traffic. I can tell

[57:47] you right now, I will stand

[57:48] firmly on, there has to be a

[57:50] traffic light at Shaw sir. Every

[57:52] outlets in it has to be looked

[57:54] at to reduce Maywood, I've

[57:56] spoken to some citizens. I

[57:57] recognize here we talked about

[57:59] leaving Maywood should be one

[58:00] way, all this will come into

[58:02] time when something is proposed

[58:03] and will be addressed the

[58:04] concerns together. I said from

[58:05] day one, I repeat myself. That's

[58:10] exactly my position where it

[58:11] stands.

[58:13] >> Right now, did you do

[58:14] anything to try? 30 and 40, 30

[58:18] and 40 K an hour. If you make it

[58:20] all 30, you can slow down people

[58:22] because --

[58:23] >> This is question number

[58:24] three. I will allow Councillor

[58:27] Stork if you wants to answer.

[58:30] >> I'm fine.

[58:33] >> I will add that Councillor

[58:35] Stork has brought every traffic

[58:37] issue concern on May would to

[58:38] the traffic committee because I

[58:39] used to sit on it. It was

[58:41] discussed for all different

[58:42] kinds of discussions and

[58:43] whenever that is brought to the

[58:46] traffic study, the traffic couch

[58:48] doing a full study of direction

[58:49] by direction Avenue speed and

[58:51] anytime somebody brings it back

[58:52] to him, he brings it back to the

[58:55] traffic committee at this point

[58:57] to make that clear.

[58:58] >> I am on traffic committee.

[59:01] This will go to traffic

[59:02] committee. That site we'll have

[59:06] a different usage and then the

[59:07] next year or so. It will have to

[59:10] be studied. I said on traffic

[59:13] committee. I'm very impressed

[59:14] with it. It takes every single

[59:17] concern into consideration. It

[59:18] is done really thoroughly. I

[59:23] quite enjoyed, it's one of my

[59:24] favourite committees because I

[59:25] learn so much about the City.

[59:26] Virtually every department,

[59:27] public, works everybody is in

[59:29] their, public security, all of

[59:30] them are in on that committee.

[59:32] Everybody, the engineers,

[59:34] everybody about crosswalks,

[59:35] everything that goes on traffic

[59:36] is thoroughly analyzed. For sure

[59:40] it will be looked at, that is

[59:42] Maywood an interesting streak,

[59:43] it's a very small street.

[59:47] There's a development going in

[59:48] there, public health development

[59:50] or whatever that might be. I am

[59:52] not sure what it will be. I'm

[59:54] not sure if we are allowed to

[59:56] reveal or say what it may or may

[59:57] not be. It will get studied.

[1:00:02] Sitting on the committee, I am

[1:00:04] confident in it. You can express

[1:00:07] your concerns. You can let us

[1:00:08] know, you can write to us. I

[1:00:10] think you are referring to

[1:00:12] earlier in your comment that

[1:00:13] people were deterring St. John's

[1:00:15] to take May would, which I don't

[1:00:18] understand because doesn't have

[1:00:19] stop signs and it's a narrow

[1:00:22] street wooden? Maybe better off

[1:00:23] on St. John's? You figure

[1:00:24] because it's jammed up, you feel

[1:00:26] St. John's is jammed up.

[1:00:30] >> I've driven it for 30 years.

[1:00:32] It gets worse and worse when St.

[1:00:33] John's is full of traffic.

[1:00:37] >> I will tell you what I will

[1:00:38] do. I will bring that up with

[1:00:41] Mr. Tanguay, I promise, I'm on

[1:00:42] that committee. He may already

[1:00:44] know. He may already know what's

[1:00:47] going on with that road. I

[1:00:49] assure you I will bring that up.

[1:00:52] >> The small solution, if you

[1:00:54] make it 30 K an hour and you say

[1:00:56] 30 and 40, people they have no

[1:01:00] time so we make it all serious

[1:01:02] for the school and young

[1:01:03] families living in the street.

[1:01:07] >> Thank you.

[1:01:09] >> God bless you all to work for

[1:01:10] us. Thank you.

[1:01:17] >>

[1:01:18] - Prochaine personne: Line

[1:01:19] Conway. Good evening, Council.

[1:01:24] It is bringing icy there is

[1:01:26] construction going up. It

[1:01:28] reminded me that a few months

[1:01:30] ago and there was a decision

[1:01:32] made to renovate the windmill. I

[1:01:34] was wondering what is going on

[1:01:37] with this, I have not seen any

[1:01:39] construction going there or any

[1:01:40] renovations. I would like to

[1:01:42] know, is this still happening,

[1:01:44] when is it happening?

[1:01:46] >> It's close. It's very close.

[1:01:53] Miss Verdun and I are --

[1:01:55] >> The historical building in

[1:01:57] Pointe-Claire. It will be nice

[1:01:58] to see it's maintained.

[1:02:00] >> Yes, that is the intention of

[1:02:02] Council. That is the intention,

[1:02:04] especially the intention of Mr.

[1:02:06] Weemaes before he left. That was

[1:02:10] his swansong project. As he has

[1:02:15] Dutch dissent and he loves

[1:02:17] windmills. He had been

[1:02:18] frustrated by that file for a

[1:02:19] long time. There is a total will

[1:02:21] on the part of the entire

[1:02:23] administration and Council to

[1:02:24] get this done. Everybody is on

[1:02:25] it. Everybody is for it. There

[1:02:28] has been no -- no problems at

[1:02:32] all. We've been steadfastly

[1:02:33] working. We are very close. I

[1:02:34] can tell you we are very close.

[1:02:36] People are working earnestly and

[1:02:37] in good faith to make it happen,

[1:02:38] I assure you.

[1:02:41] >> Thank you. Sometimes I see

[1:02:48] stuff, I read stuff, I'm

[1:02:50] scratching my head because west

[1:02:54] of Cadillac Fairview, Cadillac

[1:02:55] Fairview wanted to bring a few

[1:02:57] years ago when he first

[1:02:58] announced their project the

[1:02:59] different Palmer low I don't

[1:03:02] know if it was -- I read

[1:03:04] somewhere they wanted to bring 5

[1:03:06] to 10,000 people in the Mu1

[1:03:09] area, or Mu2. That was a lot of

[1:03:12] people. Mu1, the project that

[1:03:18] was part of the resolution, was,

[1:03:20] I believe it's three buildings

[1:03:25] of 20 to 25 floors, about 700

[1:03:26] units, six or 700 units per

[1:03:28] building, if I'm correct.

[1:03:31] >> That's one proposal. We don't

[1:03:33] know, there has not been a third

[1:03:35] proposal yet. That was one of

[1:03:36] them.

[1:03:39] >> Okay, okay. I think that was

[1:03:44] yesterday. So west of Cadillac

[1:03:47] Fairview's village Laci green.

[1:03:50] Two of the councillors that did

[1:03:52] the resolution actually put

[1:03:54] something online for us to read

[1:03:56] about it. So Councillor Stork,

[1:03:59] you mentioned that it was a well

[1:04:02] thought out project and my

[1:04:06] question is not really a

[1:04:07] question. Why am scratching my

[1:04:11] head is, this project, it seems

[1:04:14] to be like a massive land. I'm

[1:04:16] not sure how many acres. It

[1:04:18] talks about 1000 units. It also

[1:04:22] talks about 47 single family

[1:04:24] homes. For all the time I've

[1:04:27] been following what's going on

[1:04:29] with the council and the plans

[1:04:32] with developers in

[1:04:33] Pointe-Claire, I'm wondering,

[1:04:36] people are against urban sprawl

[1:04:39] and densification. So why are we

[1:04:41] sort of like congratulating

[1:04:43] Kirkland for the Laci green

[1:04:45] project when they are still

[1:04:47] building 47 single family homes?

[1:04:48] Why are we not building

[1:04:51] multiplexes, this is along the

[1:04:53] highway. It's very close to the

[1:04:55] new train station. Why are we

[1:04:58] congratulating them for building

[1:05:00] single family homes when all of

[1:05:01] this could've been multiplexes?

[1:05:06] >> Because densification can

[1:05:07] include single family homes.

[1:05:10] Densification can include a

[1:05:11] multitude of structures.

[1:05:14] Densification doesn't

[1:05:15] necessarily mean multi level

[1:05:17] high-rise buildings.

[1:05:18] >> I don't think we need any

[1:05:19] more in Pointe-Claire. I don't

[1:05:20] think we will have that anymore

[1:05:22] in Pointe-Claire.

[1:05:23] >> Let's see, let's see. We

[1:05:24] don't know where we are headed.

[1:05:25] We don't have our master plan

[1:05:29] yet. We have not decided. None

[1:05:31] of those decisions have been

[1:05:32] made. We might -- we may very

[1:05:35] well have some single family

[1:05:36] homes.

[1:05:38] >> It should be multiplexes, in

[1:05:40] my opinion. Not towers. Not

[1:05:42] single family homes.

[1:05:46] >> We don't know that yet.

[1:05:48] Again, we don't know. That is

[1:05:49] all up in the air and yet to be

[1:05:51] determined. I agree with you, I

[1:05:54] am very intrigued by the

[1:05:55] Kirkland project. I'm especially

[1:05:59] intrigued at how they conducted

[1:06:00] the project and the process they

[1:06:03] used. I think as a Council we've

[1:06:05] been watching it and keeping an

[1:06:07] eye on it. So maybe we will have

[1:06:09] a similar result, who knows. We

[1:06:12] don't know. We can't predict the

[1:06:14] future. That's my feeling on

[1:06:15] that one.

[1:06:17] >> May I answer a question? What

[1:06:19] I commend on that project, if

[1:06:22] the basic understanding of urban

[1:06:24] planning is that where they put

[1:06:25] those single family homes is

[1:06:26] across the street from single

[1:06:28] family homes. Whenever you have

[1:06:30] an urban project, you have to

[1:06:32] scale as we go towards the city

[1:06:33] center or to the rim, the

[1:06:35] buildings get higher. If you

[1:06:36] look at their project, the 47

[1:06:39] houses across the street from

[1:06:40] single family units. As they get

[1:06:42] closer towards the rim, they go

[1:06:46] to two storeys, four storeys,

[1:06:47] six storeys. They end up with 12

[1:06:49] storeys on the left side, the

[1:06:51] opposite side of Fairview

[1:06:52] Avenue. The commending of this

[1:06:55] project is to take into

[1:06:56] consideration, a, the public

[1:06:59] consultations mayor Thomas

[1:07:00] mentioned, the, when you

[1:07:03] developed a process you respect

[1:07:05] the projects next to you. The

[1:07:06] single family units next to

[1:07:08] single family units. You go on a

[1:07:10] scale towards an urban scale,

[1:07:11] towards the center. The project,

[1:07:13] please let me finish. The

[1:07:14] project that is being discussed,

[1:07:16] the only part, part one of

[1:07:18] Cadillac Fairview's project

[1:07:19] which is in the parking lot

[1:07:21] right next to the rim would be

[1:07:22] the highest. We are proposing

[1:07:24] 20. Five it doesn't mean it will

[1:07:25] be 20. Five nothing has been

[1:07:27] discussed, there has not been

[1:07:28] one conversation today in

[1:07:29] reference to that. That we do

[1:07:31] know that the taller buildings

[1:07:32] will be closer to the rim. As

[1:07:34] you go towards Brunswick and

[1:07:37] towards currently the Fairview

[1:07:38] forest, it will degrade down

[1:07:40] because that is standard urban

[1:07:42] planning principles. That's my

[1:07:44] answer.

[1:07:45] >> As it gets closer to

[1:07:46] Pointe-Claire, it's getting

[1:07:47] taller towers but that will have

[1:07:49] the tallest. Also Mr. Cowan, on

[1:07:52] your social media, you wrote

[1:07:54] something to this effect, there

[1:07:56] is a social activist for social

[1:07:59] housing. There was a reply from

[1:08:05] -- what he wrote was, he had

[1:08:08] three questions. Does it have

[1:08:10] affordable housing? He answers

[1:08:13] this no. Does it follow

[1:08:16] sustainable urban planning

[1:08:17] practices? No. Single family

[1:08:20] zoning, the most sustainable

[1:08:21] type of zoning and urban

[1:08:22] planning? And three, pay for the

[1:08:25] consultation process, the

[1:08:26] developer. That was not a

[1:08:29] question. But just a comment.

[1:08:36] >> Miss Conway, do you have a

[1:08:37] question?

[1:08:39] >> No, but I want to reply to

[1:08:47] Mr. David Webb. When he said

[1:08:48] people are coming to complain,

[1:08:51] he's complaining about people

[1:08:52] complaining, he specifically --

[1:08:54] >> Miss Conway, if you can --

[1:08:57] miss Conway.

[1:08:58] >> I said there was a crisis at

[1:09:00] the lakeshore General Hospital,

[1:09:01] there is not enough staff. Let's

[1:09:04] fix problems that exist now, too

[1:09:06] much traffic, not enough health

[1:09:08] care at the hospital. When that

[1:09:10] is fixed, then we can think

[1:09:12] about giving permits for more --

[1:09:15] that's always my solution. I

[1:09:16] don't come to complain. I come

[1:09:17] to bring a solution, to fix the

[1:09:21] problem for people. People are

[1:09:25] very welcoming. Let's fix this

[1:09:27] first.

[1:09:28] >> Okay. I appreciate what you

[1:09:29] are saying. You've had your

[1:09:34] questions. I tend to agree with

[1:09:37] the staffing of the hospital. I

[1:09:38] think that's an issue that has

[1:09:39] to be understood. I think we

[1:09:42] have a shortage of health care

[1:09:44] in the West Island. I was

[1:09:46] protesting the closure of the

[1:09:50] emergency -- if you will

[1:09:52] densify, you should make sure

[1:09:53] your core services, like eating

[1:09:55] people alive, all-round for the

[1:09:57] people that move in. I will give

[1:09:58] you that much. But I thank you

[1:10:00] for your time and your

[1:10:01] questions.

[1:10:02] >> Okay, thank you.

[1:10:05] >> Madame Susan Weaver.

[1:10:06] - Madame Susan Weaver.

[1:10:15] >> I guess you know my name,

[1:10:16] Susan Weaver. Okay. As a

[1:10:22] taxpayer and a senior on a fixed

[1:10:24] income, I'm concerned as to how

[1:10:27] much my taxes will increase with

[1:10:29] all the lawsuits that the city

[1:10:31] has been sent. I believe that

[1:10:33] there are 11 lawsuits since

[1:10:38] January 2022. Some are quite

[1:10:39] hefty and our legal fund would

[1:10:41] never cover them. Some loss to

[1:10:46] are an of it -- unavoidable, I

[1:10:47] know. If others can be avoided

[1:10:49] with mediation or consultation,

[1:10:51] they should be. Unnecessary

[1:10:53] lawsuits are a waste of taxpayer

[1:10:54] money. I really need an honest

[1:10:58] explanation, please explain.

[1:11:01] >> Is that your question?

[1:11:02] >> Yeah.

[1:11:05] >> The word unnecessary is very

[1:11:07] interesting. What's a necessary

[1:11:09] lawsuit and what's an

[1:11:11] unnecessary lawsuit? For me, a

[1:11:13] necessary lawsuit is to protect

[1:11:14] the city and keep it developing

[1:11:18] and evolving in a way that the

[1:11:20] citizens prefer. If that is

[1:11:23] being threatened or wrist, then

[1:11:25] I think it's well worth public

[1:11:27] funds to protect citizens for a

[1:11:29] vision they would like for their

[1:11:30] city. For me, that is a

[1:11:32] necessary lawsuit. Most

[1:11:37] developers do lawsuits, most of

[1:11:39] them give lawsuits. It is a

[1:11:41] standard operating procedure in

[1:11:43] municipal government. If you

[1:11:44] succumb to every lawsuit, you

[1:11:46] give a developers everything

[1:11:47] they want. At some point, you

[1:11:49] have to make decisions and

[1:11:50] decide what's important for your

[1:11:52] city. Rather than succumb to

[1:11:54] every lawsuit or settle them all

[1:11:56] but not to the satisfaction of

[1:11:58] your citizens. So it's a

[1:11:59] balance. You have to make that

[1:12:01] call. It's being done right now.

[1:12:03] The last election was

[1:12:05] confirmation of a desire to have

[1:12:06] that done. The RCIs are the

[1:12:08] result of a desire on the part

[1:12:10] of the citizens of Pointe-Claire

[1:12:11] to have that until it was done.

[1:12:13] A lot of developers don't agree

[1:12:14] with the building freeze but

[1:12:16] most of the population to.

[1:12:19] That's my answer to that. When

[1:12:21] necessary or unnecessary, I

[1:12:22] think necessary.

[1:12:24] >> Maybe some are unnecessary.

[1:12:26] Depends on how much we are going

[1:12:27] to have to pay in the end.

[1:12:29] >> It's up to the citizens. How

[1:12:32] much and what taxes are taken

[1:12:34] and what the City does is up to

[1:12:35] the public role. It is up to the

[1:12:36] public.

[1:12:40] >> If we don't win these

[1:12:42] lawsuits, then --

[1:12:43] >> How do you know if you will

[1:12:44] win the lawsuit? But

[1:12:47] >> Pardon?

[1:12:48] >> How do you know? It's a judge

[1:12:49] who decides.

[1:12:53] >> How does any --

[1:12:54] >> Generally, from my advice,

[1:12:56] from what I've been advised,

[1:12:58] it's how complete the plan is

[1:12:59] when it is submitted. The

[1:13:02] developer has firmer ground the

[1:13:04] more developed and completed the

[1:13:05] plan is. My advice has been

[1:13:07] given to make decisions based on

[1:13:08] what our plan is completed,

[1:13:10] submitted, and accepted to a

[1:13:12] point where you can't turn

[1:13:14] around on. That's generally has

[1:13:15] decided. That's what I have done

[1:13:17] on the advice of my staff. Those

[1:13:19] are the answers to your

[1:13:20] questions. Madam Gutierrez?

[1:13:29] - Geneviève Lussier.

[1:13:34] >> Hey, everybody.

[1:13:35] - Bonjour tout le monde. My

[1:13:36] question is about the process of

[1:13:38] the public participation for the

[1:13:40] reopening of the urban plan. The

[1:13:41] process has already started.

[1:13:43] Currently, there is a special

[1:13:44] planning program -- that

[1:13:46] includes Mu1, Mu2, and I'm

[1:13:49] wondering this means it will be

[1:13:50] a specific session of

[1:13:53] consultation session dedicated

[1:13:55] exclusively to discussing the

[1:13:56] future of that area as my first

[1:13:57] question.

[1:13:58] >> I suspect yes. Madame Verdun?

[1:14:04] >> I cannot answer because we

[1:14:06] not decide all the

[1:14:08] participation. The meetings, we

[1:14:12] are going, we don't decide

[1:14:13] exactly what we want to do with

[1:14:15] them, the PPU downtown.

[1:14:20] >> Which specifically? Will

[1:14:22] there be a section --

[1:14:27] >> Il y a un pays pour Valois,

[1:14:28] il y a un pays pour...

[1:14:29] - Ce que j'expliquais, Monsieur

[1:14:31] le Maire, dans les rencontres,

[1:14:32] c'est qu'on n'a pas encore

[1:14:34] décidé ce qui va être le

[1:14:36] processus participatif avec le

[1:14:37] conseil de ville dans les

[1:14:39] rencontres qu'on a, pour

[1:14:40] l'instant, il faudrait répondre

[1:14:42] quel sera spécifiquement la

[1:14:44] participation publique? Pour ça,

[1:14:45] on y va un à la fois.

[1:14:48] - O.K., mais vous dites que

[1:14:50] c'est le pays, que le PPP eut

[1:14:53] regardez participation

[1:14:54] particulière, Différentes de

[1:14:56] celles qui sont prévues?

[1:14:57] - Pas nécessairement, c'est

[1:14:58] qu'on n'est pas rendu là au

[1:14:59] niveau du centre-ville dans la

[1:15:01] discussion au niveau du Conseil

[1:15:02] pour la partie

[1:15:03] >> Centre-ville.

[1:15:04] My second question is, I'm

[1:15:07] wondering if there is specific

[1:15:09] participation sessions just

[1:15:10] about green spaces. When they

[1:15:16] told us that there is going to

[1:15:18] be ten new sessions for public

[1:15:19] participation, my understanding

[1:15:22] Les zones vertes, vous ne le

[1:15:23] savez pas? Is that you are not

[1:15:24] aware what the next ten sessions

[1:15:25] will be.

[1:15:30] >> Depending of the answer of

[1:15:31] each public participation, we

[1:15:32] plan the next one with the --

[1:15:38] probably we have Fisher know

[1:15:39] session about that with the

[1:15:41] green space and stuff like. That

[1:15:42] but exactly what will be the

[1:15:43] content I cannot tell you right

[1:15:44] now.

[1:15:46] >> I'm not expecting the

[1:15:47] content. Just wondering. We can

[1:15:49] expect something about green

[1:15:50] spaces. Okay, thank you.

[1:15:56] >> Linda do mess.

[1:15:58] - Linda Dumas.

[1:16:05] >> Hi, my lame -- name is Linda

[1:16:08] do miss, just to put a point on

[1:16:09] it, I am an anglophone.

[1:16:13] Surprisingly. My first time at

[1:16:16] the mic only my second time in

[1:16:18] my life at a council meeting.

[1:16:22] Very interesting what's been

[1:16:25] going on and of course I do have

[1:16:27] a presentation and I would like

[1:16:29] to stick with that. Is it all

[1:16:34] right if my question is much

[1:16:36] more of a rhetorical question?

[1:16:39] >> That's fine.

[1:16:42] >> Is that fine? Because I have

[1:16:44] an oral presentation. Hopefully,

[1:16:48] questions can come to that. I

[1:16:49] know I won't take more than four

[1:16:50] minutes.

[1:16:52] >> That's better than a lot. If

[1:16:55] you could get a little closer,

[1:16:57] it would be better.

[1:16:58] >> All right, okay. I can hear

[1:16:59] it now. Geneviève Lucia was

[1:17:05] talking about the March 15th --

[1:17:06] this is my preamble -- meeting,

[1:17:09] which was so well attended. And

[1:17:13] at the end of that meeting, the

[1:17:16] resident workshop about the next

[1:17:21] ten-year build future

[1:17:22] Pointe-Claire I consider a very

[1:17:24] wise resident, I spoke to at the

[1:17:26] very end of it saying because

[1:17:29] this person has been involved

[1:17:30] for a long time, what did you

[1:17:33] think was comparable to others,

[1:17:36] et cetera. She looked at me and

[1:17:39] said, we should be starting this

[1:17:41] ten-year building plan defining

[1:17:43] where we must not build. That's

[1:17:50] insightful, it's almost like a

[1:17:52] eureka moment for me, perhaps

[1:17:56] for some of you. I don't know.

[1:18:00] Then my lead in, to paraphrase

[1:18:03] scientist David Suzuki, as we

[1:18:07] destroy the bio biodiversity

[1:18:11] that allows natural systems to

[1:18:12] function, no amount of money

[1:18:14] will save us. My presentation is

[1:18:22] questioning why are not the

[1:18:25] broad question is -- why are we

[1:18:27] not digging in more? And because

[1:18:31] Whitman builders often taken

[1:18:35] down, restoration, money around

[1:18:38] the world for men's and

[1:18:41] knowledgeable efforts. Some

[1:18:45] winningly, some very much

[1:18:47] unwittingly. In the immense

[1:18:54] expense and restoration around

[1:18:56] the world and I won't mention

[1:18:58] any of the product, and the

[1:19:01] projects that hopefully everyone

[1:19:03] here, especially on the council

[1:19:07] thanks a lot about biodiversity

[1:19:11] and is informed about not

[1:19:16] Pointe-Claire but in the world.

[1:19:21] With this global truism, when I

[1:19:24] referred to as David syzygies,

[1:19:26] and of course thousands of other

[1:19:29] scientists, informed people,

[1:19:31] with this global terrorism at

[1:19:32] the forefront of our lives, it

[1:19:35] is the Earth's lungs of

[1:19:37] Pointe-Claire city that are

[1:19:39] significant every day. They are

[1:19:43] very small longs around us that

[1:19:45] we take for granted. The long

[1:19:53] Quebecers -- the pricelessness

[1:19:55] of Fairview bike where forest

[1:19:58] because it is so significant,

[1:20:00] endangered, benefiting the

[1:20:04] entire island of Montréal and

[1:20:05] beyond. I believe most of us

[1:20:09] don't recognize or think about

[1:20:12] this interconnectedness. This

[1:20:14] forest is not only a

[1:20:16] Pointe-Claire issue. If we want

[1:20:22] petitions and signatures and

[1:20:23] opinions, I firmly believe it

[1:20:27] does not belong just to

[1:20:31] Pointe-Claire residents. It is

[1:20:33] too profound for that. I address

[1:20:38] and beseech Cadillac Fairview, I

[1:20:40] understand they are not here

[1:20:41] tonight. In its umbrella

[1:20:45] partnerships to adopt this

[1:20:48] environmental urgency in global

[1:20:51] truism to their platform. Even

[1:20:56] though 2013 is your very recent

[1:20:57] ownership of this attractive

[1:21:00] land, today's daily world

[1:21:02] attention to mans past and

[1:21:05] current and knowledgeable

[1:21:08] industrial and commercial

[1:21:09] actions is undeniable. There are

[1:21:13] restorations to our mistakes

[1:21:15] ongoing in the world. Please

[1:21:19] join the backers on speaking to

[1:21:20] Cadillac Fairview. They are the

[1:21:25] people who own the lands and who

[1:21:29] hopefully every councillor will

[1:21:32] wish to ask them to consider --

[1:21:44] to consider their legacy, do you

[1:21:45] consider our legacy in what you

[1:21:51] say and do with them.

[1:21:56] >> Linda, are you almost done?

[1:21:58] You're almost done?

[1:21:59] >> Yes, I am almost an. It's not

[1:22:01] five minutes or nine minutes,

[1:22:03] okay? And that I know.

[1:22:04] >> I'm just asking.

[1:22:08] >> Please join Quebecers to

[1:22:10] preserve your, this is Cadillac

[1:22:12] Fairview, your attractive

[1:22:13] Fairview forest intact. Let's

[1:22:19] thoughtfully revise our actions.

[1:22:22] If he raised even partially,

[1:22:25] this millennia forest cannot

[1:22:27] ever be duplicated or rebuilt.

[1:22:31] Man builds, man undoes. Please,

[1:22:35] the governing of ram, if you are

[1:22:37] here tonight, they are not, and

[1:22:40] adopt, revise, redo construction

[1:22:45] for planned earth. We citizens

[1:22:47] remember the building and

[1:22:50] undoing of Mirabel airport.

[1:22:54] Vast, vast, vast amounts of

[1:22:55] money. Perhaps the world movers

[1:22:59] and shakers may no longer as

[1:23:04] eagerly used the phrase business

[1:23:05] as usual. Thank you for your

[1:23:08] attention to my text. I do have

[1:23:12] a few copies, I don't know if

[1:23:14] anyone wants them. And they are

[1:23:17] at the front desk. So thank you

[1:23:19] very much. Do you have a

[1:23:20] question with that?

[1:23:21] >> Yes. Why are we even talking

[1:23:29] about the Fairview forest as a

[1:23:34] possible place to build? We've

[1:23:38] got deep pockets, there is all

[1:23:39] kinds of ways that Cadillac

[1:23:44] Fairview can be obliged,

[1:23:45] tempted, hopefully their wish

[1:23:50] for a legacy, for enormous PR it

[1:23:53] is great. They do not serve

[1:23:57] Pointe-Claire. People come from

[1:24:02] far distances to Cadillac

[1:24:03] Fairview. Their community is not

[1:24:07] just Pointe-Claire. Thank you.

[1:24:11] >> Thank you.

[1:24:12] >> The question is, so, I sent

[1:24:16] you a letter last month. Why are

[1:24:20] we even discussing Fairview

[1:24:22] forest? We are doomed. We should

[1:24:25] know that.

[1:24:29] >> You've said a lot a very

[1:24:30] interesting things.

[1:24:31] Congratulations on your first

[1:24:34] venture to city hall into the

[1:24:35] microphone, I congratulate you

[1:24:36] on the, Linda. Well done. You

[1:24:41] are right, it's a long to the

[1:24:42] rest of the world. It's more

[1:24:43] than just Pointe-Claire. You've

[1:24:47] also said, you mentioned the

[1:24:51] term deep pockets. The problem

[1:24:53] here is, who's pockets? If it's

[1:24:56] everybody's lungs and -- maybe

[1:25:00] all the world can help save it.

[1:25:01] We can all contribute.

[1:25:03] Pointe-Claire is a small city

[1:25:05] and we are looking for economic

[1:25:06] solutions. We can always use

[1:25:07] help. Well, here is hoping. This

[1:25:14] is part of the challenge and you

[1:25:16] are right it is a forest

[1:25:18] everybody benefits from, all,

[1:25:20] over not just in Pointe-Claire,

[1:25:21] but everywhere. We have to do

[1:25:22] this week. The protection or the

[1:25:27] acquisition of that land is a

[1:25:29] big part of the challenge. How

[1:25:31] to protect and preserve that

[1:25:32] land and should that be a little

[1:25:34] municipality or is it a bigger,

[1:25:35] a bigger lens for that.

[1:25:37] [Inaudible]

[1:25:52] >> I agree. Thank you for your

[1:25:53] effort. Something has got to

[1:25:58] give, I agree. We are working on

[1:26:02] it.

[1:26:03] >> Norman Normales à point?

[1:26:04] Lapointe.

[1:26:05] >> Before that, Mister Mayor, I

[1:26:06] would add one thing. It was

[1:26:07] about a baby last two speakers.

[1:26:08] Just to reassure you, back in

[1:26:11] 2019, every available green

[1:26:13] space that these City owned had

[1:26:16] in our possession was protected

[1:26:19] so we changed the zoning for

[1:26:21] Drake forest, the institutional

[1:26:22] green space, we changed Lindsey

[1:26:24] Place upper from residential

[1:26:25] Town Homes for green space. We

[1:26:28] changed the woods behind horizon

[1:26:29] school from institutional to

[1:26:31] green space. Ponner Woods is

[1:26:33] also zoned green space before.

[1:26:35] It's not zoned for development.

[1:26:37] I just wanted to reiterate

[1:26:38] because it has been brought up

[1:26:39] twice, everything that we, had

[1:26:42] the capacity to do was protected

[1:26:43] in 2019.

[1:26:46] [Inaudible]

[1:26:50] >> And the part that was not is

[1:26:52] the part that we now have a

[1:26:53] police station on.

[1:27:00] >> Okay. Okay. Norman?

[1:27:06] >> Yes --

[1:27:08] - Je pense que... c'est

[1:27:09] - Oui, c'est à monsieur Normand

[1:27:11] Lapointe.

[1:27:12] - Je vais laisser ma place.

[1:27:13] - Vous allez laisser votre

[1:27:14] place? Alors la prochaine

[1:27:17] personne, c'est Keith Kelly.

[1:27:30] >> Council and mayor, Keith

[1:27:31] Kelly. I'm not a previous

[1:27:35] councillor. But I happen to be a

[1:27:40] lifetime resident of

[1:27:41] Pointe-Claire. I'm here tonight

[1:27:45] to say that I am very, very

[1:27:50] concerned about what I hear and

[1:27:52] see at these council meetings.

[1:27:56] Last election I believe all of

[1:27:58] you people at the table here ran

[1:28:01] an election and I heard from the

[1:28:03] public you want a bit of a

[1:28:04] change. Don't let them go too

[1:28:06] fast. Slow things down. I think

[1:28:09] every one of them is working

[1:28:10] towards that. The wishes of the

[1:28:17] people, I believe, we are

[1:28:19] considered and are being

[1:28:20] considered in day-to-day

[1:28:22] operations of your council. The

[1:28:26] previous council meetings that I

[1:28:29] attended, and I have attended a

[1:28:31] few for many many years, I've

[1:28:35] always sat here and appreciated

[1:28:36] what went on in front of me, how

[1:28:37] it went. Things that weren't

[1:28:41] necessary to be exposed to the

[1:28:43] public were held back in that

[1:28:44] room. I find today, Mister

[1:28:48] Mayor, you in particular, have

[1:28:49] often said,,

[1:28:58] ,. I've never heard that before,

[1:29:02] never. You can't run the city by

[1:29:06] yourself. You need teamwork, you

[1:29:10] need leadership. I think the

[1:29:14] thing that really broke the

[1:29:17] straw for me to accept a recent

[1:29:19] article in the Facebook. It's

[1:29:23] one of many you put on Facebook.

[1:29:27] As far as I'm concerned, this

[1:29:30] was something that's incredible.

[1:29:32] You put in artworks, you put

[1:29:37] major Thibault under the bus.

[1:29:39] You made it very clear that you

[1:29:41] didn't agree with the things she

[1:29:43] had done. She is part of your

[1:29:46] administration. She is well

[1:29:48] respected and as a -- is very

[1:29:51] qualified. Mr. Jacob who plied

[1:29:55] on Facebook if, anybody read it,

[1:29:57] he is bang on! I think your

[1:30:04] comments in Facebook to meet,

[1:30:12] either to phone or send a tally

[1:30:13] or email to the city

[1:30:18] administration and complain

[1:30:19] about your concern it is totally

[1:30:21] responsible. These people are

[1:30:22] busy doing their job. Your

[1:30:26] personal opinion, you can

[1:30:27] express it wherever you want and

[1:30:29] Council. But as a mayor, you

[1:30:30] should be doing it in the

[1:30:31] public. I think we can spend a

[1:30:35] little bit more time, a little

[1:30:37] bit less time on Facebook. And

[1:30:39] the public gatherings where I

[1:30:41] think you appreciate getting

[1:30:42] your picture taken! As far as

[1:30:46] I'm concerned, an effort that we

[1:30:47] need to do something more about

[1:30:49] leading this group and coming to

[1:30:52] work with a very qualified group

[1:30:56] of councillors, many of them

[1:30:57] have been here for years. This

[1:31:01] one gentleman is part of the

[1:31:03] woodwork. I won't mention his

[1:31:04] name. I'm sure you should be

[1:31:09] able to work with him now. My

[1:31:10] question, when are you going to

[1:31:12] get on board with council and

[1:31:13] the administration and get our

[1:31:16] city running smoothly and

[1:31:18] professionally again? Thank you.

[1:31:20] >> Thank you. Interesting, Mr.

[1:31:22] Kelly. I'm always intrigued by

[1:31:27] revisionist history. People who

[1:31:31] feel the past was great and the

[1:31:33] President is so much more

[1:31:34] difficult. I can remember 500

[1:31:38] people and a consultation -- a

[1:31:40] citizen consultation over the

[1:31:42] pioneer where people were not

[1:31:43] happy. I can member meetings in

[1:31:45] this room where the mayor was

[1:31:48] chastised and called on fifth

[1:31:49] first job. In the last

[1:31:50] administration, to a far greater

[1:31:52] degree than this one, so I'm

[1:31:54] quite intrigued by your

[1:31:56] interpretation of history on

[1:31:57] that one. I was a citizen for

[1:32:00] five years ago, I 100% disagree

[1:32:03] with your interpretation. As for

[1:32:07] Madam Thibault, I already

[1:32:08] answered that one. If you don't

[1:32:12] accept it, I was elected, I am

[1:32:14] an elected official, sir. To

[1:32:17] represent the people. My job,

[1:32:19] first and foremost, is to

[1:32:22] represent and defend the rights

[1:32:23] of the people. That's one

[1:32:26] elected official does. That's

[1:32:28] not necessarily the job of a

[1:32:31] civil servant, as much as it is

[1:32:32] the job of an elected official.

[1:32:35] I've been a civil servant. I've

[1:32:38] been a civil servant, Mr. Kelly.

[1:32:39] You don't need to talk, it's my

[1:32:41] turn now. You are talking about

[1:32:42] the quorum in this room and how

[1:32:44] to behave and behaviour. Just

[1:32:46] let me point out that you can

[1:32:47] allow me to finish saying one

[1:32:50] thing. As for the difference

[1:32:53] between the two is that I am

[1:32:55] paid and in my job I was

[1:32:57] elected, I live in district one.

[1:32:59] I am now currently the acting

[1:33:01] councillor for district one. I

[1:33:02] deal with the issues of district

[1:33:04] one. Citizens came to me

[1:33:09] complaining about something that

[1:33:10] had occurred. Now where does my

[1:33:13] job begin and end? Where it is

[1:33:16] fitting in defending the

[1:33:17] citizen, where is the balance?

[1:33:18] Maybe I don't have it right. But

[1:33:20] I do feel it's important as an

[1:33:23] elected official to speak for

[1:33:24] the citizens and their concerns.

[1:33:29] So if you think just being quiet

[1:33:31] and allowing things to go on,

[1:33:33] that you, I personally, not just

[1:33:35] the citizen, but I personally

[1:33:36] disagree with, you've got the

[1:33:38] wrong guy. I speak for moral

[1:33:43] issues, profound concerns that

[1:33:46] permeate through society. I feel

[1:33:48] it is important to speak with

[1:33:50] morality and values. That means

[1:33:53] sometimes that you speak out.

[1:33:57] Some of us do it in some of us

[1:33:58] don't. I have no intention of

[1:34:02] denigrating the Thibault. I

[1:34:04] disagree and it's not just her.

[1:34:06] That happens in other

[1:34:07] municipalities. I'm disagreeing

[1:34:08] with the practice. The citizens,

[1:34:11] I think, of district one would

[1:34:14] be better served if we did a

[1:34:16] polling station in the district

[1:34:19] because seniors would be better

[1:34:20] able to get there and vote and

[1:34:22] wouldn't have to take a car and

[1:34:23] have to go up an elevator or go

[1:34:25] to a building that's

[1:34:27] intimidating. That's my belief,

[1:34:29] that was the belief from a lot

[1:34:30] of people. I expressed that, it

[1:34:31] had an unfortunate consequence.

[1:34:32] I really -- it was a dilemma

[1:34:36] because the chief returning

[1:34:37] officer is in a different

[1:34:38] position then a city clerk. It's

[1:34:41] a whole other role that she has,

[1:34:44] she has a role where she's given

[1:34:45] the responsibility where she is

[1:34:47] the sole arbiter, the sole

[1:34:50] decider. Mr. Kelly, you are

[1:34:52] talking about the quorum. You

[1:34:54] are talking about the quorum.

[1:34:55] Please live up to your own

[1:34:56] words. She is the sole

[1:34:58] arbitrator of a decision. She

[1:35:00] has given the -- councillors and

[1:35:03] mayors cannot intervene in that

[1:35:05] process. We are not allowed to

[1:35:07] speak to that process or to

[1:35:08] intervene. But we cannot decide.

[1:35:13] What maybe by clumsily informing

[1:35:16] citizens that we have nothing,

[1:35:18] Council or mayor, have no say

[1:35:20] over this, it probably spelled

[1:35:22] out in a negative direction. I

[1:35:24] was actually stating something

[1:35:26] that's factual. That is in fact

[1:35:28] true in the law. We are not

[1:35:31] responsible for that decision. I

[1:35:35] apologize for any clumsiness in

[1:35:36] how I have expressed myself. But

[1:35:38] I reserve my right as an elected

[1:35:41] politician to every once in a

[1:35:42] while express what I think the

[1:35:43] citizens desire. On occasions,

[1:35:45] but I also desire.

[1:35:52] >> I don't necessarily agree

[1:35:54] with you. But I would suggest

[1:35:57] that I would see you speaking to

[1:36:00] your council, maybe as a joint

[1:36:10] --

[1:36:11] >> We do that all the time. We

[1:36:14] do all kinds of stuff like that,

[1:36:16] Mr. Kelly. Mr. Kelly, what you

[1:36:17] should do -- Mr. Kelly. You

[1:36:24] could go back and look at the

[1:36:26] various council meetings in the

[1:36:28] last year and a half, Mr. Kelly.

[1:36:31] Review the actions of all

[1:36:34] members of Council and see

[1:36:38] whether I am the problem,

[1:36:40] whether it's a collective

[1:36:41] problem, or whether there are

[1:36:44] other people who may not be

[1:36:46] necessarily easy to get along

[1:36:47] with either. Why would you

[1:36:49] necessarily attribute that to

[1:36:50] me? That I think is unfair and I

[1:36:53] would encourage. I'm talking

[1:36:54] sir. I would encourage you to go

[1:36:56] back and review the meetings.

[1:36:58] Just watch them. Do it yourself,

[1:37:00] do your own survey, go back and

[1:37:02] watch them. See, evaluate my

[1:37:04] behaviour, what I believe to get

[1:37:06] along with my, peers and the

[1:37:08] others. Thank you, sir. That's

[1:37:10] okay, Mr. Kelly. We are done,

[1:37:11] Mr. Kelly. The next question,

[1:37:13] Madame Gutierrez. Mr. Kelly, you

[1:37:17] are talking about the here in

[1:37:19] this chamber. You are talking

[1:37:20] about behaviour in this chamber.

[1:37:21] You've just demonstrated

[1:37:22] otherwise. That I'm Gutierrez?

[1:37:27] >> Sorry, Mr. Kelly. I

[1:37:28] apologize, Mr. Kelly.

[1:37:31] >> The next person, I apologize

[1:37:33] for the last name, Tim fan. Is

[1:37:36] it femme the last name? Fame. He

[1:37:40] is not here. If somebody can

[1:37:43] column.

[1:37:47] >> I take back my right.

[1:37:49] >> So no Tim fame. Next person,

[1:37:51] Ed.

[1:37:59] >> Good evening, y'all. My first

[1:38:01] ever time in the council meeting

[1:38:02] as well. Thank you very much for

[1:38:03] this opportunity. I put my name

[1:38:06] on the list blindly. My

[1:38:08] questions have already been

[1:38:09] asked. Which brings me to

[1:38:14] another question, actually. It's

[1:38:16] all about the Northview park

[1:38:17] improvements, renovations. I

[1:38:19] would like to request the

[1:38:20] improvements be actual

[1:38:23] improvements. It is a small

[1:38:24] park, as far as parks go. The

[1:38:29] beauty of that park is actually

[1:38:30] how it is surrounded by -- and

[1:38:33] we can access the field and the

[1:38:36] green space, the open space.

[1:38:39] Anywhere around the park

[1:38:41] throughout the perimeter. There

[1:38:43] aren't enclosed areas already,

[1:38:45] the tennis court, the pool, the

[1:38:47] playground with fences. The

[1:38:49] actual multipurpose field, the

[1:38:51] beauty of it is actually it's

[1:38:53] accessibility and the openness

[1:38:54] of the green space. It's amazing

[1:38:58] we want to redo the baseball

[1:38:59] field and actually improve the

[1:39:01] park. Like I said I would really

[1:39:03] like to request that we

[1:39:06] reconsider the perimeter fence

[1:39:07] so improvements can remain and

[1:39:08] be an improvement. Which brought

[1:39:11] me to my question. We've learned

[1:39:14] that the contract has been

[1:39:15] awarded. How realistic are

[1:39:19] possible would it be? The

[1:39:20] contractor is a person. We are

[1:39:22] people. We can just communicate,

[1:39:24] top, reach in agreement, and

[1:39:26] understanding. Possibly just

[1:39:28] say, listen, we agreed upon a

[1:39:31] perimeter fence. Is there any

[1:39:33] way we could still build a fence

[1:39:35] but not a perimeter fence? That

[1:39:37] we redo the tennis courts fan

[1:39:40] when -- the Viking pool fence

[1:39:42] which is in rough shape. There

[1:39:44] would still be the contract, the

[1:39:47] value amount, the work. But it's

[1:39:49] just in terms of the possibility

[1:39:52] of reevaluating in the current

[1:39:53] plan and considering it --

[1:39:59] keeping it as a beautiful, green

[1:40:02] open space. I understand now

[1:40:03] from your explanation, thank you

[1:40:04] very much, that there are two

[1:40:05] open areas on the site. Like I

[1:40:07] said, the beauty is being able

[1:40:09] to access the Greenfield from

[1:40:10] anywhere, not having to walk 200

[1:40:12] feet one way to go around a

[1:40:15] fence, 200 feet back to be at

[1:40:16] the same place which we can

[1:40:17] access right now easily.

[1:40:22] >> Thank you very much. Okay.

[1:40:24] >> For this opportunity.

[1:40:26] >> Any question?

[1:40:27] >> My question is, how realistic

[1:40:29] would it be to actually

[1:40:31] renegotiate with the contractor

[1:40:33] since the contract has been

[1:40:35] awarded about the possibility of

[1:40:38] doing some other work instead of

[1:40:40] the perimeter fence.

[1:40:41] >> We were talking about that

[1:40:42] before we came out here.

[1:40:44] >> Oh, fantastic.

[1:40:45] >> That is right on -- you are

[1:40:48] spot on. That will be explored,

[1:40:50] absolutely will be explored,

[1:40:53] provided -- we all agree on what

[1:40:55] the solution will be, which has

[1:40:56] not been made yet. But given

[1:40:58] what you proposed that is a

[1:41:00] possibility as well. You are

[1:41:01] absolutely right. They are all

[1:41:03] solutions.

[1:41:04] >> Thank you so much. Have a

[1:41:05] good evening, sir.

[1:41:08] >> Five minutes left, Mister

[1:41:09] Mayor.

[1:41:12] >> Five minutes left?

[1:41:15] >> Next person, Caroline Ed

[1:41:16] well.

[1:41:20] >> I thought we could get

[1:41:21] something else out of the deal?

[1:41:30] >> Good evening, everyone. Can

[1:41:31] anybody hear me?,, -- I have two

[1:41:40] questions. First question is for

[1:41:42] Mr. Mayor. The street lamps,

[1:41:46] when they are burnt out, when

[1:41:48] they are first reported, if you

[1:41:50] report it in writing, what is

[1:41:52] the turnaround time to have that

[1:41:54] street land prepared?

[1:41:55] >> Very good question. It's easy

[1:41:58] --

[1:41:59] >> Sorry to interrupt. You can

[1:42:00] pose it to the engineering --

[1:42:03] >> I am going to. I don't have

[1:42:04] the engineer. Do we have an

[1:42:07] approximate turnaround time on a

[1:42:08] burnt out streetlight?

[1:42:12] >> Mini. There it's burglar who

[1:42:13] does it. It's usually pretty

[1:42:15] quick.

[1:42:19] >> Three months is kind of the

[1:42:20] long time?

[1:42:21] >> It sounds like it. Eric, do

[1:42:23] you have an answer?

[1:42:24] >> I had the same situation. It

[1:42:27] was an extensive period of time.

[1:42:29] There was also issues with

[1:42:30] replacing parts, even though the

[1:42:32] supply chain issues are existing

[1:42:33] today. It does take a bit of

[1:42:37] time but it could also be a

[1:42:39] supply chain issue. I can make

[1:42:41] sure they will answer the

[1:42:42] question.

[1:42:43] >> I sent it to you January 4th,

[1:42:44] Mister Mayor. It is still not

[1:42:46] fixed now.

[1:42:48] >> No kidding!

[1:42:49] >> You did say, I will pass it

[1:42:50] on to the proper department

[1:42:52] which is engineering. I sent a

[1:42:55] couple of emails. It's not done.

[1:42:57] Just to tell you the story. I'm

[1:42:59] going to make it quick.

[1:43:00] >> The street? The street again?

[1:43:03] Give me the street.

[1:43:04] >> It's an elegant, 104 elegant.

[1:43:08] I'm wondering if the people in

[1:43:09] the house that is in front of

[1:43:12] it, they have a switch to turn

[1:43:13] it off. I don't know. It is

[1:43:15] still not fix. I know it's the

[1:43:19] L.E.D.. There has been issues

[1:43:21] with L.E.D.s. They've been fixed

[1:43:24] quite quickly on our street. We

[1:43:26] had one on 15 parkland. It

[1:43:28] flashed on and off. I know there

[1:43:30] is issues with the L.E.D.. This

[1:43:31] particular poll does have

[1:43:32] L.E.D.. So it is still not

[1:43:35] fixed. It has gone through quite

[1:43:37] a few emails. I filled out the

[1:43:40] actual form online. I keep

[1:43:43] getting an answer, oh, yes, we

[1:43:46] are going to repair it, it is

[1:43:47] sent to the proper department. I

[1:43:50] think you subcontract that out,

[1:43:53] right? It's not the city

[1:43:54] employee that fixes it?

[1:43:58] >> It's as.

[1:44:00] >> They told me in the last

[1:44:01] email, she told me it is -- it

[1:44:05] is something. I have it in

[1:44:07] emails, she's got it in writing,

[1:44:08] it's another company that does

[1:44:09] it. I was walking around because

[1:44:14] I'm a dog owner. So walking

[1:44:16] around and at night you need

[1:44:17] lights, okay? As I'm walking

[1:44:21] around in the morning, I saw

[1:44:23] this truck. It's a red van.

[1:44:25] There is a young fellow in a

[1:44:28] cherry -- looks like he is

[1:44:30] fixing the light. I sat there

[1:44:31] with my dog saying, okay, I'm

[1:44:33] going to ask him when he gets

[1:44:35] there, do you have one for my

[1:44:37] street on the list? I will call

[1:44:39] my person and see what he says.

[1:44:40] Anyway, he wrote down the

[1:44:41] address. I guess that is about a

[1:44:44] month ago. Can I make the

[1:44:47] suggestion because we are not

[1:44:48] all here to just complain but I

[1:44:50] will make a suggestion, maybe

[1:44:53] you can put some kind of note on

[1:44:55] that poll, we are working on it.

[1:44:56] We were notified. January 5th,

[1:44:59] we are working on it, we are

[1:45:00] trying to get it fixed. Just

[1:45:02] because in the winter, with the

[1:45:05] snow removal, this and that,

[1:45:07] slip and fall is just waiting to

[1:45:09] happen. Somebody is going to get

[1:45:10] hurt.

[1:45:14] >> I had a similar issue. You

[1:45:17] said L.E.D. as if it was a

[1:45:18] recent installation. I think

[1:45:20] it's a warranty issue. That was

[1:45:22] the problem with a street lamp

[1:45:23] on Champlain. It doesn't account

[1:45:27] for people not getting back to

[1:45:28] you. If it is the same case, the

[1:45:30] city is going after the

[1:45:32] contractor, which -- that's

[1:45:34] probably what happened, I'm

[1:45:35] guessing, to respect the

[1:45:36] warranty.

[1:45:40] >> She said, it's -- and I just

[1:45:42] read. It's my last. Okay. It

[1:45:52] says normally the street lights

[1:45:54] are done by the building

[1:45:55] department. But she said there

[1:45:57] is a company called Énergère.

[1:46:04] She said, I don't know which

[1:46:07] department. I asked her the

[1:46:08] question, two questions. One,

[1:46:09] did you get this? I sent it to

[1:46:10] the Mayor January 4th. He

[1:46:13] forwarded it on. She did answer

[1:46:15] that question. I can't tell you

[1:46:16] when it was sent out, but they

[1:46:17] are trying to process each of

[1:46:20] the orders as they come in.

[1:46:21] First come, first served. Well,

[1:46:23] I wasn't -- so she said, I can't

[1:46:30] read it, she said it's a

[1:46:33] company, everybody is

[1:46:34] apologizing. I understand that.

[1:46:36] If you want, I can leave you

[1:46:37] these emails and it will tell

[1:46:39] you the name of the company, I

[1:46:40] can't see it right now. But

[1:46:44] anyway that's my question and

[1:46:45] that's my suggestion. Just put

[1:46:49] something on the pole, we are

[1:46:50] working on it, thank you very

[1:46:51] much.

[1:46:57] >> Thank you for that. Second

[1:47:00] question I have is, I am a dog

[1:47:01] owner. Going walking around, I

[1:47:06] need street lights to see to

[1:47:07] pick up the dog poop. Trust me,

[1:47:10] this winter I have done moves

[1:47:12] Cirque du Soleil could not do

[1:47:13] picking up my dog poop and

[1:47:15] trying to dispose of it. Yes, I

[1:47:18] pick up after my dog, I'm a

[1:47:21] responsible dog owner. And

[1:47:22] trying to dispose of it, the

[1:47:25] garbage cans situation in the

[1:47:27] city, do you have any plans to

[1:47:30] add more and the reason I'm

[1:47:32] asking, I walk through our

[1:47:34] beautiful parks. Our parks are

[1:47:36] lovely. There is parks that have

[1:47:39] 30, 25, 2:30 garbage

[1:47:43] receptacles. Once you get in the

[1:47:45] city walking around, just for

[1:47:49] example, on chest or, there is

[1:47:52] one garbage bin. It's on chest,

[1:47:55] or the corner of tester and --

[1:47:57] the rest of the way up, there is

[1:47:58] one on Belmont. That's it. My

[1:48:02] suggestion, it's a suggestion,

[1:48:05] don't always complain, my

[1:48:07] suggestion, cut the bins that

[1:48:09] you have in the parks by at

[1:48:11] least half, Kelly, the park

[1:48:13] around the corner has two

[1:48:16] garbage bins, 25 paces apart. To

[1:48:20] get more ridiculous, I can show

[1:48:21] you pictures. I have them here.

[1:48:26] In voyager Park, here is a

[1:48:27] garbage bin. You cross the

[1:48:30] little path. There is a garbage

[1:48:31] bin. If you go to terracotta

[1:48:34] park, the curve there, there's

[1:48:37] three garbage bins. If you go to

[1:48:39] the park on Belmont, and I'm

[1:48:42] almost finished, you go to the

[1:48:43] park on Bell Mount down from

[1:48:47] terracotta where you go up,

[1:48:48] there are on the street Belmont,

[1:48:49] we are talking about one, two,

[1:48:51] three, within a 500 foot thing,

[1:48:54] not counting the ones in the

[1:48:57] soccer field, because there is

[1:48:58] eight more or six more. Then you

[1:49:03] go from Belmont after those

[1:49:04] three to Belmont on sources.

[1:49:08] There are two. It's not evenly

[1:49:10] distributed. Cut them by half in

[1:49:13] the park, because we are

[1:49:14] supposed to be responsible and

[1:49:15] recycle and everything or even

[1:49:17] for events when you have the

[1:49:18] events, take a big garbage bin

[1:49:21] that you can, one -- for people

[1:49:26] to throw in their garbage. Can

[1:49:27] we have that at least? Does that

[1:49:31] sound not bad?

[1:49:32] >> Who knows, who knows.

[1:49:33] >> When you get --

[1:49:36] >> We can talk about, it

[1:49:37] absolute. The science of where

[1:49:40] they are located is not

[1:49:41] something I'm familiar with. For

[1:49:45] sure, we can change where some

[1:49:47] are located. If dog owners let

[1:49:48] us know where they are more

[1:49:50] frequently needed, more power to

[1:49:53] them.

[1:49:55] >> I will tell you. Okay, thank

[1:49:56] you.

[1:49:58] >> Suggest there is where they

[1:49:59] are needed.

[1:50:02] >> Sorry. Just to suggest you,

[1:50:04] Kelly are part, there is one

[1:50:05] unless earn. You go through that

[1:50:09] path to cut up. There is one at

[1:50:11] the beginning of that path. One

[1:50:12] at the end of that path, 25

[1:50:13] steps apart. The rest of the

[1:50:17] path he walked through, zip.

[1:50:20] More would be lovely. I would

[1:50:22] like to see that.

[1:50:23] >> Point taken.

[1:50:24] >> Thank you.

[1:50:25] >> Thank you very much.

[1:50:26] >> Have a good evening.

[1:50:27] >> You too.

[1:50:28] - Madame Sylvie clairement...

[1:50:29] c'est fini? C'est fini.

[1:50:31] >> We are out of time. Okay.

[1:50:36] Apologies to any others. Where

[1:50:41] there are many names left?

[1:50:42] >> Two.

[1:50:46] >> Nonresidents.

[1:50:55] Ça va?

[1:50:56] - Ça va.

[1:50:57] - Ça va, O.K..

[1:50:59] - Madame Clermont a été là toute

[1:51:01] la soirée?

[1:51:02] - Oui...

[1:51:03] -, O.K. O.K., une autre, une

[1:51:06] autre.

[1:51:07] - Alors Sylvie Clermont. Oui,

[1:51:10] oui? Alors Sylvie Clermont.

[1:51:13] - Bonjour, merci pour cette

[1:51:14] exception, je vais vous parler

[1:51:16] en français, si vous permettez.

[1:51:17] - Oui.

[1:51:18] - Alors je ne suis pas citoyenne

[1:51:20] de Pointe-Claire, c'est pour ça

[1:51:21] qu'on a passé la soirée ici et

[1:51:23] merci de me permettre

[1:51:24] d'intervenir. Nous sommes... mon

[1:51:28] nom est Sylvie clairement, c'est

[1:51:29] ça, je suis membre du Mouvement

[1:51:34] d'action régionale en

[1:51:35] environnement, on est ici ce

[1:51:36] soir pour venir soutenir,

[1:51:37] finalement, les citoyens et on

[1:51:39] en a parlé beaucoup ici ce soir,

[1:51:44] sauvons la forêt Fairview.

[1:51:46] D'abord, on veut souligner, on

[1:51:49] veut souligner l'initiative

[1:51:50] courageuse que vous avez eu

[1:51:55] d'adopter un RCI et de protéger

[1:51:57] l'appareil ou par le règlement

[1:51:58] de contrôle intérimaire qui est

[1:52:01] même protégée par un contrôle de

[1:52:03] règlement intérimaire de la CCM,

[1:52:06] alors le mouvement d'action

[1:52:07] régionale en événement, c'est

[1:52:09] qu'on incite les villes à

[1:52:11] protéger officiellement leur

[1:52:12] milieu naturel existants. Ces

[1:52:14] écosystèmes matures rendent des

[1:52:16] services écosystémiques

[1:52:17] importants pour nos

[1:52:18] collectivités. Pour nous, leur

[1:52:20] conservation est prioritaire

[1:52:21] dans nos territoires, surtout au

[1:52:23] sud du Québec qui sont très

[1:52:24] développées, il y a énormément

[1:52:26] de pression sur les habitats

[1:52:28] naturels. Alors selon les cibles

[1:52:30] de la COP15, il y a la COP15 qui

[1:52:33] a eu lieu en décembre ici à

[1:52:35] Montréal, 30% des habitats

[1:52:38] naturels, la cible, pour 2030,

[1:52:40] c'est de conserver 30% des

[1:52:42] habitats naturels et de

[1:52:46] restaurer 30% aussi de milieux

[1:52:48] naturels abîmé. De les

[1:52:50] restaurer. Alors que la

[1:52:54] communauté... je vais lire,

[1:52:55] parce que le message est quand

[1:52:57] même important, ce ne sera pas

[1:52:58] très long, je vous remercie de

[1:52:59] votre temps. Alors que la

[1:53:02] communauté métropolitaine de

[1:53:03] Montréal, la CMM, s'apprête à

[1:53:06] s'acquitter de ses engagements,

[1:53:07] parce que madame Valérie Plante

[1:53:09] et monsieur les onusienne

[1:53:11] (---)

[1:53:12] , le directeur général de la CMM

[1:53:13] se sont engagés lors de la COP15

[1:53:14] à atteindre les cibles de 30%

[1:53:18] pour 2030. Alors que la CMM ça

[1:53:21] porte à s'acquitter de ses

[1:53:23] engagements en matière de,

[1:53:24] cibles elle aura besoin des plus

[1:53:26] grandes initiatives de la part

[1:53:27] des municipalités qu'il a

[1:53:29] composent. Il se peut que

[1:53:31] l'espace nécessaire à cette

[1:53:32] tâche ne soit tout simplement

[1:53:34] pas disponibles dans votre

[1:53:35] ville. Alors cela dit, votre

[1:53:39] contribution, au même titre que

[1:53:40] celle des autres municipalités,

[1:53:42] sera requise au maximum de ce

[1:53:45] qui est physiquement possible si

[1:53:47] on veut atteindre collectivement

[1:53:49] et régionalement les objectifs

[1:53:50] fixés. Cela dit, comme citoyenne

[1:53:53] qui fait partie d'un groupe, on

[1:53:58] est très conscient des

[1:53:59] difficultés des villes, vous en

[1:54:01] avez parlé tantôt, l'aspect

[1:54:02] financier, les habitats

[1:54:04] naturels, en rajouter, les

[1:54:06] expropriations des visées, les

[1:54:08] poursuites abusive des

[1:54:09] promoteurs, on est très

[1:54:10] conscient de ça. Par, contre je

[1:54:12] pense que ce qu'on attend de nos

[1:54:13] élus, c'est un courage politique

[1:54:20] de faire face à la chasse de

[1:54:22] génération qui est ici pour nos

[1:54:26] enfants et les petits-enfants...

[1:54:28] les petits-enfants et les

[1:54:29] générations qui vont venir après

[1:54:30] nous. Malgré les risques comme

[1:54:33] élus, auxquels on fait face, je

[1:54:34] pense qu'il faut vraiment aller

[1:54:36] chercher à l'intérieur de nous,

[1:54:37] de nous tous comme citoyens,

[1:54:39] comme élus, le courage

[1:54:43] politique. J'essaie de... il y

[1:54:44] a... la firme Habitat a fait une

[1:54:47] étude pour la CMM, elle a

[1:54:50] démontré que si on préservait

[1:54:51] tous, tout tout à l'heure

[1:54:53] actuelle, tout ce qu'il est

[1:54:54] possible de préserver sur le

[1:54:57] territoire, on a 24,9% de

[1:55:00] milieux naturels, en comptant

[1:55:03] les friches, les espaces qu'on

[1:55:06] peut restaurer. Et on sait que

[1:55:09] dans 7 ans, il faudra atteindre

[1:55:11] 30%. Ce qu'on, dit c'est qu'il

[1:55:12] faut vraiment aller chercher un

[1:55:14] courage politique pour arrêter

[1:55:15] de couper les habitats naturels

[1:55:17] qu'on a. La forêt Fairview est

[1:55:18] un écosystème qui a une riche

[1:55:23] biodiversité, qui est important,

[1:55:24] nous, on pense que toutes les

[1:55:28] parcelles d'habitat naturel

[1:55:29] qu'on peut sauver à l'heure

[1:55:30] actuelle, il faut impérativement

[1:55:33] arrêter de couper et passer à

[1:55:36] restaurer. Alors... je pense que

[1:55:39] c'est un peu le message. Et la

[1:55:41] question que j'avais à vous

[1:55:42] poser, c'est: comment

[1:55:44] comptez-vous participer

[1:55:45] concrètement, ici, à

[1:55:47] Pointe-Claire, à l'atteinte des

[1:55:50] cibles clairement défini par la

[1:55:51] COP15? J'aimerais vous entendre

[1:55:54] là-dessus.

[1:55:55] - O.K..

[1:55:57] - Vous pouvez le faire en

[1:55:58] anglais, si vous voulez, mais...

[1:56:00] - Nous vous remercions de votre

[1:56:01] présence ce soir et d'avoir...

[1:56:04] mais à la suite de la COP15, en

[1:56:09] décembre dernier, nous avons

[1:56:10] pris l'engagement de réaligner

[1:56:11] les priorités de notre ville et

[1:56:14] de travailler autant, au conseil

[1:56:17] et à l'administration, afin de

[1:56:19] placer l'environnement au coeur

[1:56:20] de nos réflexions et de notre

[1:56:22] planification. Il y a beaucoup

[1:56:23] de façons de faire ça. On a déjà

[1:56:25] un gel sur la forêt Fairview,

[1:56:29] pas seulement la CMM, mais aussi

[1:56:31] à la Ville de Pointe-Claire.

[1:56:33] Vous avez entendu la plupart de

[1:56:35] nos conseils, on sait que c'est

[1:56:40] une priorité, la priorité numéro

[1:56:42] 1 pour la ville. Alors on

[1:56:44] attend...-il y aura des

[1:56:46] réflexions, on va répondre, on

[1:56:50] cherchait l'argent, on cherche

[1:56:51] les solutions partout. On a déjà

[1:56:54] essayé, à la Ville de Montréal,

[1:56:55] on a essayé avec la CMM, on ne

[1:56:58] sait partout pour trouver une

[1:56:59] solution. C'est ce qu'on est en

[1:57:01] train de faire.

[1:57:02] - Juste pour conclure ce que je

[1:57:03] veux vous dire, c'est que les

[1:57:04] citoyens, les groupes de

[1:57:05] citoyens sont vraiment derrière

[1:57:07] vous, alors on n'est pas là ici

[1:57:08] ce soir pour nier que c'est très

[1:57:11] difficile pour les élus

[1:57:13] d'atteindre les cibles, mais en

[1:57:14] même temps, les citoyens, les

[1:57:16] groupes de citoyens, on est là,

[1:57:17] justement, pour faire des

[1:57:19] pressions pour que justement, la

[1:57:21] Loi sur l'impôt pris action, que

[1:57:23] vous pouviez avoir de l'argent

[1:57:25] pour acheter les habitats

[1:57:26] naturels, tout simplement vous

[1:57:27] dire que moi, en tant que

[1:57:29] représentante du MARE, je peux

[1:57:31] vous assurer qu'on fait beaucoup

[1:57:33] pour, justement, pour qu'on

[1:57:35] puisse atteindre et se mettre

[1:57:37] tous ensemble, finalement, pour

[1:57:38] atteindre les cibles.

[1:57:40] - Merci beaucoup pour votre

[1:57:41] support.

[1:57:42] - Bienvenue!

[1:57:43] - Merci beaucoup! Are you

[1:57:47] Allowing the following person?

[1:57:52] >> It is not up to me, it is up

[1:57:53] to them, up to Mister Mayor.

[1:57:56] >> Can it be really -- what is

[1:57:57] the subject?

[1:58:01] - Est-ce que vous êtes

[1:58:02] Réjeanne...

[1:58:03] (inaudible)

[1:58:04] - Est-ce que vous êtes Réjeanne

[1:58:05] Bilodeau? Non? Parfait.

[1:58:08] - O.K., alors, moi, simplement,

[1:58:11] chers élus, membres du conseil,

[1:58:13] vous avez reçu une lettre le 23

[1:58:15] août le 24 mars, le 21 mars,

[1:58:17] pardon. Je l'ai laissée tantôt à

[1:58:19] la greffière, une copie. Ça

[1:58:22] concerne l'Union des

[1:58:23] municipalités du Québec qui,

[1:58:24] eux, encourage chaque

[1:58:27] municipalité à endossé une

[1:58:30] déclaration officielle qui

[1:58:31] s'appelle: unies pour le climat.

[1:58:33] C'est une déclaration comme quoi

[1:58:34] il y a urgence climatique. C'est

[1:58:37] sûr que je ne vous apprends rien

[1:58:38] ce soir, vous en est tous

[1:58:40] convaincus. Est-ce qu'il y a

[1:58:42] possibilité que la Ville de

[1:58:43] Pointe-Claire, compte tenu de

[1:58:45] son importance régionale, ici,

[1:58:47] que vous puissiez endosser, voté

[1:58:50] une résolution et déclaré que

[1:58:52] vous aussi, vous allez vers cet

[1:58:55] effort global qui est

[1:58:56] recommandé, vous le savez, il y

[1:58:57] a plus de 525 municipalités sur

[1:59:00] 1107, c'est plus de la moitié,

[1:59:02] maintenant, qui ont déjà signé

[1:59:04] depuis 2021. Alors moi, c'est

[1:59:06] ça, j'ai dit deux minutes, c'est

[1:59:08] presque fini! Est-ce que la

[1:59:09] ville, c'est ma question,

[1:59:11] s'engage, chaque élus, chacun de

[1:59:13] vous, est-ce que vous croyez en

[1:59:16] la Déclaration de l'urgence

[1:59:18] climatique, être prêt à engager

[1:59:20] la Ville de Pointe-Claire à

[1:59:21] dire: oui, on reconnaît qu'il y

[1:59:23] a urgence? Et comme, là, vous

[1:59:24] êtes en train de faire votre

[1:59:26] plan d'urbanisme, tout ça,

[1:59:28] allez-vous travailler dans le

[1:59:29] sens de récupérer des

[1:59:30] infrastructures vertes, essayer

[1:59:33] d'aménager des espaces verts qui

[1:59:35] vont faire partie des objectifs

[1:59:38] qui ont été données autant au

[1:59:40] gouvernement du Québec à la CMM?

[1:59:43] J'ai dit que j'irais pas plus

[1:59:44] long, alors...

[1:59:46] - La question était: signé le

[1:59:49] document, oui...?

[1:59:50] - C'est une résolution que vous

[1:59:52] devez...

[1:59:53] - Oui. Il faut parler, comme le

[1:59:54] Conseil.

[1:59:55] - Tout simplement.

[1:59:56] - Pour décider si on va la

[1:59:58] signer, mais...

[2:00:00] - Honnêtement, quand j'entends

[2:00:01] tous les commentaires, j'ai

[2:00:02] l'impression que ça devrait...

[2:00:03] - Je ne peux pas parler pour le

[2:00:06] conseil complètement, mais je

[2:00:07] pense qu'il y a une bonne

[2:00:09] possibilité qu'on puisse signer,

[2:00:10] il faut voir, étudier la

[2:00:13] résolution pour voir, pour

[2:00:15] décider, mais je pense qu'il y a

[2:00:18] un bon esprit... ça dépend! Ça

[2:00:20] dépend de ce que c'est. Mais

[2:00:22] O.K., je ne peux pas... tu ne

[2:00:23] peux pas parler pour le conseil

[2:00:25] complètement, mais la plupart de

[2:00:27] nous sont pour les mêmes

[2:00:29] objectifs.

[2:00:30] - Merci de nous avoir

[2:00:31] accueillis. Merci pour la chaise

[2:00:33] des générations. Je vais donner

[2:00:35] ça à madame la greffière.

[2:00:37] - O.K., merci beaucoup. Merci.

[2:01:03] 5.1 Avis de motion et dépôt d'un

[2:01:04] projet de règlement modifiant le

[2:01:05] Règlement PC-2949 décrétant les

[2:01:06] tarifs exigibles pour le

[2:01:07] financement de biens, services

[2:01:08] et activités offerts par la

[2:01:09] Ville de Pointe-Claire pour

[2:01:10] l'exercice financier 2023. ce

[2:01:17] projet de règlement vise à

[2:01:18] corriger les tarifs d'un service

[2:01:19] offert à 0 dollars pour les

[2:01:21] non-résidents alors que ce n'est

[2:01:22] pas applicable.

[2:01:25] >> Who gives the motion?

[2:01:29] >> District to.

[2:01:32] >> 5.2 filing the report with

[2:01:33] respect to the bylaw, which was

[2:01:36] a bylaw for 3 million $650,000

[2:01:40] for vehicles. No signatures were

[2:01:42] received and the pilot is deemed

[2:01:43] to be approved by the qualified

[2:01:44] voters. 6.1 Abroger et remplacer

[2:01:45] la résolution 2022-090 désignant

[2:01:47] le maire suppléant. à la séance

[2:01:54] du 8 février 2022, le conseil à

[2:01:56] nommer pour l'entièreté du

[2:01:58] mandat de novembre 2000 21

[2:02:00] novembre 2025 les conseillers

[2:02:01] qui vont occuper la fonction de

[2:02:03] maire suppléant à tour de rôle

[2:02:04] pour les mois de mai, juin,

[2:02:06] juillet 2023 ainsi que mai,

[2:02:07] juin, juillet 2025. Il avait été

[2:02:11] décidé de désigner madame Erin

[2:02:16] Tedford, le conseil abroge et

[2:02:19] remplace la résolution afin de

[2:02:22] désigner le maire suppléant à

[2:02:23] nouveau pour

[2:02:24] >> Do I have a mover? Couvrir

[2:02:25] ces périodes.

[2:02:26] >> District to.

[2:02:27] >> Seconder?

[2:02:32] >> I second district six. Thank

[2:02:37] you.

[2:02:38] >> All in favour?

[2:02:43] >> The filing of the 721, but

[2:02:50] the January 25th 2023 meeting of

[2:02:51] the report. Also 7.2 to file the

[2:02:54] minutes of -- 2023 meeting of

[2:02:57] the advisory. 9.1 Octroyer un

[2:03:01] contrat pour des services d'une

[2:03:02] agence de communication pour le

[2:03:03] développement d'une marque

[2:03:04] employeur pour Pointe-Claire, à

[2:03:05] Communications Mon Dada Inc.,

[2:03:07] pour un montant total de

[2:03:08] 58269,33 $, taxes incluses. dans

[2:03:16] le contexte concurrentiel des

[2:03:17] offres d'emplois, nous

[2:03:19] souhaitons dynamiser notre

[2:03:20] approche et dégâts des...

[2:03:21] dégager une vision qui soit

[2:03:23] inspirant et mobilisatrices pour

[2:03:24] les chercheurs d'emplois dans

[2:03:26] laquelle les employés se

[2:03:26] reconnaissent.

[2:03:28] >> Do I have a mover?

[2:03:30] (inaudible)

[2:03:34] .

[2:03:36] >> Seconder?

[2:03:38] >> District six.

[2:03:39] >> All in favour?

[2:03:42] >> 10.1, before the list of

[2:03:44] budget amendments on the

[2:03:45] register of checks for the

[2:03:46] period of March 2nd to March

[2:03:47] 22nd, 2023. 12.1 Déposer la

[2:03:50] liste des changements au

[2:03:52] personnel par décisions

[2:03:53] déléguées pour le mois d'avril

[2:03:58] 2023. 12.2 Approuver la liste

[2:03:59] des changements au personnel par

[2:04:00] décisions non déléguées au 4

[2:04:01] avril 2023.

[2:04:05] >> Do I have a mover?

[2:04:07] >> Kara Stanford, district four.

[2:04:09] >> Eric Stork, district's

[2:04:10] second.

[2:04:11] >> All in favour?

[2:04:13] >> Thank you.

[2:04:16] >> Toward a contract for the

[2:04:17] supply and delivery of trees for

[2:04:19] the distribution to citizens on

[2:04:20] earth day two Communications Mon

[2:04:21] Dada Inc. Pepiniere Cramer Inc.,

[2:04:24] Pepiniere Dominique Savio Ltee,

[2:04:25] Pepiniere Jardin 2000 Inc.,

[2:04:26] Jardin Deux Montagnes Inc. for a

[2:04:29] total amount of $52,687.87 taxes

[2:04:34] included. The trees will be

[2:04:35] distributed to the citizens of

[2:04:38] Pointe-Claire as part of our day

[2:04:39] activities, as outlined in the

[2:04:40] ash control strategy. 14.2

[2:04:42] Octroyer un contrat pour la

[2:04:43] fourniture de services de

[2:04:44] location de lavabos portables et

[2:04:46] toilettes chimiques pour l'année

[2:04:47] 2023, à Sanibert Inc., pour un

[2:04:48] montant total de 47186,60 $,

[2:04:51] taxes incluses, avec l'année

[2:04:54] 2024 en option. ces toilettes et

[2:05:00] lavabo portable sont destinées à

[2:05:01] différents sites extérieurs pour

[2:05:02] des durées de location variable

[2:05:04] selon les besoins. Cette

[2:05:05] démarche apporte bien de

[2:05:06] répondre aux besoins de la

[2:05:07] population dans les divers parcs

[2:05:09] et espaces verts de la ville et

[2:05:10] selon le calendrier des

[2:05:12] activités extérieures.

[2:05:15] >> 14.3, award a contract for

[2:05:16] the supply delivery of trees for

[2:05:18] the year 2020 32 Pepiniere

[2:05:19] Jardin 2000 Inc., for total

[2:05:22] amount of $161,000, this

[2:05:26] contract is part of the annual

[2:05:28] Municipal tree replacement

[2:05:29] program in conjunction with the

[2:05:30] asteroid movable appraisement

[2:05:31] Program under the emerald ash

[2:05:34] borer control strategy adopted

[2:05:35] in 2015 by Council. 14.4

[2:05:36] Octroyer un contrat pour la

[2:05:37] fourniture et livraison des

[2:05:38] matériaux paysagers en vrac pour

[2:05:39] l'année 2023, à Matériaux

[2:05:40] Paysagers Savaria Ltée, pour un

[2:05:42] montant total de 83149,35 $,

[2:05:44] taxes incluses. les matériaux

[2:05:50] serviront les départements de la

[2:05:52] voirie, de l'{city_council}

[2:05:53] horticulture et des parcs.

[2:05:56] >> 14.5, to award a contract for

[2:05:57] the opening and closing about

[2:05:59] door swimming and paddling pools

[2:06:00] for the year 2023 two Piscines

[2:06:02] et Spas Poseidon Inc. for a

[2:06:05] total amount of $177,000.68

[2:06:09] taxes included, with the year

[2:06:12] 2020 for an option, they works

[2:06:14] include water level control,

[2:06:15] pumping and cleaning up the

[2:06:16] basins, painting, and safe

[2:06:17] opening and closing procedures.

[2:06:18] 14.6 Octroyer un contrat pour

[2:06:19] des travaux d'essouchement, à

[2:06:20] Élagage Prestige Inc., pour un

[2:06:22] montant total de 316232,99$,

[2:06:30] taxesincluses. le contrat fait

[2:06:31] suite aux travaux d'abattage

[2:06:32] d'arbres, des frênes et d'autres

[2:06:35] essence d'arbres. Ces travaux

[2:06:36] soient effectués afin de

[2:06:37] préparer le terrain pour la

[2:06:38] plantation

[2:06:39] >> Des arbres à venir. For 14.1

[2:06:42] to 14.6, do I have a mover? I

[2:06:46] move the contracts of 14.1 to

[2:06:49] 14.6, radicchio in district

[2:06:50] eight. Seconder?

[2:06:52] >> Seconded by Tremblay and

[2:06:55] District six. All in favour?

[2:06:58] >> Thank you. 15.1 -- Awarded

[2:07:04] contract for masonry repair

[2:07:07] works for the cedar heights and

[2:07:08] park chalets for a total amount

[2:07:11] of -- taxes included. 15.2

[2:07:15] Appouver une modification au

[2:07:16] contrat intervenu avec G.

[2:07:17] Giuliani Inc.,

[2:07:22] pour des travaux de modification

[2:07:23] à l'accès de la cour des Travaux

[2:07:24] Publics, pour un montant de

[2:07:25] 20986,66 $, taxes incluses. les

[2:07:34] modifications visent notamment

[2:07:35] la modification de la position

[2:07:37] et des dimensions de la dalle,

[2:07:39] de la barrière coulissantes et

[2:07:41] Delisle en béton pour la guérite

[2:07:42] proposée. La disposition des

[2:07:44] sols contaminés et le

[2:07:46] remplacement de l'Inter, comme

[2:07:47] entre autres.

[2:07:48] >> For 15.1 and 15.2, do I have

[2:07:50] a mover? Eric Stork, district

[2:07:51] seven. And seconder? All in

[2:07:54] favour?

[2:07:57] >> Thank you. 16.1, two weeks of

[2:08:00] the renewal option provided for

[2:08:02] the contract entered with Groupe

[2:08:03] Abs Inc. for the year 2023 in

[2:08:06] the amount of 532,000 --

[2:08:13] $532,381.14 taxes included for

[2:08:15] professional services for geo

[2:08:16] technical studies, environmental

[2:08:18] characterization and quality

[2:08:19] control of materials, for the

[2:08:21] rehabilitation of municipal

[2:08:22] infrastructures in certain

[2:08:23] avenues of the city of

[2:08:24] Pointe-Claire in 2023. This

[2:08:26] includes the approval of data

[2:08:29] she's provided as well as onsite

[2:08:30] testing during construction,

[2:08:33] drilling and analysis to prepare

[2:08:35] geo technical and environmental

[2:08:36] reports to assist with the

[2:08:37] design a future projects on the

[2:08:38] supply of expertise and the

[2:08:40] analysis and handling of

[2:08:41] contaminated soils as required.

[2:08:43] This will allow for bimonthly

[2:08:45] testing of stockpiles and the

[2:08:46] public works yard and the supply

[2:08:49] of environmental reports to

[2:08:50] ensure the materials are stored

[2:08:51] and processed in a proper

[2:08:52] manner. 16.2 Octroyer un contrat

[2:08:54] pour l'aménagement d'un nouveau

[2:08:55] parc dans le secteur Walton, à

[2:08:56] P.N.G. Projets D'Aménagements

[2:08:57] Inc., pour un montant total de

[2:08:58] 308488,27 $, taxes incluses. le

[2:09:06] projet comprend la prolongation

[2:09:07] du sentier existant vers

[2:09:09] l'avenue Babel, les clôtures

[2:09:11] pour délimiter le parc,

[2:09:13] l'{city_council} organisation et

[2:09:14] la plantation de végétaux.

[2:09:16] >> 16.3, award of contract for

[2:09:18] letting works in the clear point

[2:09:19] sports field. Two -- taxes

[2:09:27] included. The electrical works

[2:09:29] in this project consist of the

[2:09:32] complete insulation of a solar

[2:09:33] lighting system in the

[2:09:35] pedestrian pathway and the

[2:09:36] modification of the tennis court

[2:09:38] a system in core Point Park.

[2:09:41] >> For 16.1 to 16.3, do I have a

[2:09:42] mover?

[2:09:44] >> District for.

[2:09:45] >> Seconder?

[2:09:48] >> Cynthia home in district

[2:09:49] five.

[2:09:50] >> All in favour?

[2:09:52] >> Thank you. Les personnes

[2:09:54] présentes peuvent s'adresser au

[2:09:55] conseil concernant les sujets

[2:09:56] ci-dessous pour les items 17.1

[2:09:57] et 17.2: 17.1 Considérer une

[2:10:00] demande de dérogation mineure

[2:10:02] concernant la propriété sise au

[2:10:03] 45, avenue Belton. Il s'agit

[2:10:10] d'une marche avant de 3,5 mètres

[2:10:13] plutôt que le minimum requis de

[2:10:14] 4 mètres.

[2:10:18] >> 17.2, considering a minor

[2:10:20] exemption request considering

[2:10:21] the property, it is a secondary

[2:10:24] front set back a 5.60 metres

[2:10:25] buffer from the required minimum

[2:10:26] of 7.5 metres. 17.3 Considérer

[2:10:28] les plans d'implantation et

[2:10:30] d'intégration architecturale

[2:10:32] relatifs à la propriété sise au

[2:10:35] 45, avenue Belton. il s'agit

[2:10:40] d'un agrandissement et des

[2:10:42] modifications au plan déjà

[2:10:43] approuvé.

[2:10:44] >> 17.4, considered the site

[2:10:46] planning an architectural

[2:10:47] integration program plans with

[2:10:48] respect to the property situated

[2:10:50] at 14 bowling green Avenue, it

[2:10:51] is a extension and renovation.

[2:10:52] 17.5 Considérer les plans

[2:10:53] d'implantation et d'intégration

[2:10:55] architecturale relatifs à la

[2:10:56] propriété sise au 130, avenue de

[2:11:00] Breslay. il s'{city_council}

[2:11:01] agit d'un agrandissement.

[2:11:04] >> 17.6, considered the site

[2:11:05] planning an architectural

[2:11:07] integration program plans with

[2:11:08] respect of the property located

[2:11:10] at 90 Donegani avenue. It is

[2:11:11] four exterior renovations. 17.6

[2:11:14] Considérer les plans

[2:11:15] d'implantation et d'intégration

[2:11:16] architecturale relatifs à la

[2:11:17] propriété sise au 90, avenue

[2:11:20] Donegani. il s'agit d'une

[2:11:23] rénovation extérieurs...

[2:11:24] (inaudible)

[2:11:26] - Je me suis trompé!. Nous

[2:11:30] sommes à 17. Accepte, j'ai

[2:11:32] répété en français ce que ma

[2:11:33] collègue venait de dire: 17.7

[2:11:34] Considérer les plans

[2:11:35] d'implantation et d'intégration

[2:11:36] architecturale relatifs à la

[2:11:37] propriété sise au 42, avenue

[2:11:40] Drayton. une nouvelle

[2:11:41] construction.

[2:11:43] >> For 17.1 to 17.7, do I have a

[2:11:45] mover?

[2:11:48] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[2:11:50] >> Seconder?

[2:11:51] >> Kelly -- district three.

[2:11:52] >> All in favour?

[2:11:55] >> May I speak in regards to

[2:11:58] 17.1 through 17.7, I am in

[2:12:02] favour of 17.1 through 17.6,

[2:12:05] however I vote against 17.7 and

[2:12:08] I would like just a couple

[2:12:10] moments to be able to explain

[2:12:11] the reason behind my vote. As I

[2:12:13] explained my colleagues in

[2:12:16] caucus earlier this evening, I

[2:12:18] am terribly conflicted with

[2:12:20] these kinds of decisions that I

[2:12:21] have to make relative to

[2:12:23] projects of the sort. We are in

[2:12:27] a phase where we need to be

[2:12:28] thinking about redevelopment

[2:12:29] throughout the city. There are

[2:12:32] houses in areas that need to

[2:12:34] some degree to be updated and

[2:12:35] redeveloped, et cetera. I am

[2:12:37] fully aware of that. On the

[2:12:38] other hand, as has been

[2:12:40] mentioned on a number of

[2:12:41] locations here tonight,

[2:12:42] particularly in speaking about

[2:12:44] the chair for the generations is

[2:12:46] the issue of climate change and

[2:12:48] the word climate emergency,

[2:12:49] which has come up a number of

[2:12:50] times. The one thing that I need

[2:12:52] to underline is the word

[2:12:55] emergency. When we have an

[2:12:56] emergency we need to act

[2:12:57] quickly. And so while I am

[2:13:02] completely sympathetic to the

[2:13:03] projects people have in terms of

[2:13:04] redeveloping their homes,

[2:13:05] building new homes, et cetera, I

[2:13:08] also have to give some

[2:13:09] consideration to what is going

[2:13:10] to be going on, what is going on

[2:13:11] today, and what will be going on

[2:13:12] in the future. Relative to

[2:13:15] chapter three, article four,

[2:13:18] where when you are working on a

[2:13:20] project such as those who can

[2:13:21] refer to the article on your

[2:13:22] own, you have to make every

[2:13:24] attempt to save as many mature

[2:13:26] trees as we possibly can on the

[2:13:28] area that you are developing,

[2:13:29] and building on. In this case,

[2:13:31] we are going to lose six trees.

[2:13:32] Three of which are European bug

[2:13:34] thorns, but the other three that

[2:13:38] are there are mature trees. Now,

[2:13:41] understanding that the

[2:13:42] committees we have that are

[2:13:43] working on these things, we are

[2:13:44] working very hard to preserve

[2:13:45] the trees that are present.

[2:13:46] However, I think what is

[2:13:48] lacking, perhaps from our

[2:13:53] perspective after studying some

[2:13:54] of the information that I was

[2:13:58] taking in from a particular

[2:14:01] research at the University of

[2:14:04] Québec in Montréal, the

[2:14:06] importance of conserving and

[2:14:08] preserving, and helping grow the

[2:14:10] large trees that we have in the

[2:14:12] city is paramount. And we have

[2:14:14] to be able to save these trees,

[2:14:15] take good care of them, and make

[2:14:16] sure that we have a lot of them.

[2:14:19] Very laudable to be able to

[2:14:20] plant trees, I am happy that we

[2:14:22] are planting five. It will only

[2:14:23] take another 50 years until they

[2:14:25] are capable of doing with the

[2:14:26] larger trees are doing today.

[2:14:31] Combined with the number of

[2:14:32] projects that are coming out

[2:14:33] this way, the number of

[2:14:35] demolition projects that I have

[2:14:36] been privy to, and the

[2:14:38] information that I have seen

[2:14:39] vis-à-vis the number of trees

[2:14:40] that are coming down, given that

[2:14:41] we do not necessarily have a

[2:14:42] very diverse inventory of trees

[2:14:46] and the city that has dominated

[2:14:48] mainly by asked trees, as you

[2:14:49] can see they are being cut as

[2:14:50] well, and Norwegian maples. Our

[2:14:52] tree canopy is suffering. If you

[2:14:55] look at what is happening in the

[2:14:57] area where the house is going

[2:14:58] up, there have been a number of

[2:14:59] trees that have come down. Very

[2:15:01] large trees, important trees for

[2:15:03] the company. When you take one

[2:15:07] of these down, there is a hole

[2:15:08] in the system. Again, I am

[2:15:10] voting no in this case, not

[2:15:13] necessarily against what these

[2:15:14] folks are trying to do, in terms

[2:15:16] of building a home, but I would

[2:15:18] like to really put some emphasis

[2:15:19] on our need to develop a

[2:15:21] strategy around the canopy that

[2:15:23] we have in the city of

[2:15:24] Pointe-Claire, where the accent

[2:15:25] is on taking care of the larger

[2:15:27] trees that we have in place

[2:15:28] today. Thank you.

[2:15:32] >> I would like to say that I

[2:15:33] concur with Councillor Tremblay

[2:15:34] on his comment.

[2:15:37] >> Let me just note that,

[2:15:38] please.

[2:15:44] >> Duly noted.

[2:15:46] >> Okay.

[2:15:48] >> Closure?

[2:15:50] >> Do I have a mover?

[2:15:54] >> Yes, I proposed to close the

[2:15:55] meeting.

[2:15:57] >> Seconder?

[2:15:59] >> All in favour?

2023-04-04 Conseil de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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