[0:44] - Bonsoir, Mesdames et

[0:45] Messieurs. Oh, sorry.

[0:57] Bonsoir, Mesdames et Messieurs,

[0:59] et bienvenue à cette séance

[1:00] ordinaire du 3 octobre 2023.

[1:03] Programmation. Même si nous

[1:04] sommes au mois d'octobre, il

[1:06] fait encore très chaud... on est

[1:10] chanceux! Nos jeux d'eau sont

[1:13] toujours ouverts, mais ils vont

[1:14] fermer lundi prochain, le 9

[1:15] octobre, alors que la météo

[1:18] d'automne s'installera partout.

[1:21] Nous sommes à préparer notre

[1:22] programmation pour la fin de

[1:24] l'automne et l'hiver, mais

[1:26] présentement, nous avons deux

[1:28] expositions très spéciales qui

[1:29] sont en cours. La première est à

[1:31] la salle d'exposition de Stewart

[1:34] Hall. Jusqu'au 22 octobre, vous

[1:36] pouvez visiter l'exposition de

[1:37] l'artiste Andréanne

[1:41] Abbondanza-Bergeron intitulée

[1:42] Déferlements, qui a été réalisée

[1:47] à partir de matériaux de

[1:48] construction industriels, une

[1:50] installation qui occupe

[1:53] l'entièreté de l'espace

[1:58] d'exposition. La deuxième est à

[1:59] la bibliothèque centrale,

[2:01] intitulée Sur une berge près de

[2:03] chez vous. Cette dernière a été

[2:06] réalisée à partir de matières

[2:08] plastiques et médias collectés

[2:10] un peu partout sur les berges

[2:12] québécoises et canadiennes. Sa

[2:16] créatrice multidisciplinaire

[2:17] Anne-Marie Asselin, fondatrice

[2:19] de l'Organisation Bleue, est

[2:23] aussi biologiste marine. Vous

[2:25] avez jusqu'au 18 octobre pour

[2:26] visiter cette exposition.

[2:32] >> Good evening, ladies and

[2:33] gentlemen, welcome to our

[2:35] meeting, October 3rd, 2023. Even

[2:37] though we are in October, it is

[2:38] still very warm this week. Our

[2:40] splash pads are still open, but

[2:41] we will be closing on Monday on

[2:44] October 9th as the fall weather

[2:45] settles in. We are preparing our

[2:48] programming for late autumn and

[2:49] winter, but right now we have

[2:51] two very special expeditions

[2:53] exposition's underway, the first

[2:55] at Stewart Hall exhibition hall,

[2:57] where until October 22nd you can

[3:00] visit the work of Andrea and --

[3:03] you can visitor exposition

[3:05] breakaways, made from industrial

[3:07] materials. It's an installation

[3:09] that occupies the entire

[3:11] expedition space. The second one

[3:13] is at the central library,

[3:16] entitled on a shoreline near

[3:17] you. It's a contemporary visual

[3:19] and multi media art exhibition

[3:21] created entirely from plastic

[3:23] and media materials collected

[3:25] from all over Québec and

[3:27] Canadian shorelines. It's multi

[3:30] disciplinary can creator,

[3:32] Anne-Marie as a law, founder of

[3:34] the blue coalition, is also a

[3:35] marine biologist. The ex

[3:37] exhibition runs until October

[3:38] 18th.

[3:39] Plan d'urbanisme. La Ville de

[3:41] Pointe-Claire convie les

[3:42] citoyennes et citoyens à prendre

[3:43] part au quatrième atelier de

[3:44] participation citoyenne de

[3:46] révision du plan d'urbanisme,

[3:49] mercredi 25 octobre, à 19h, au

[3:51] Centre nautique de la

[3:56] Baie-de-Valois. L'objectif est

[3:57] de vous présenter différentes

[3:59] façons de contribuer à la ville

[4:00] résiliente et au développement

[4:02] urbain durable. En plus, c'est

[4:06] une belle occasion d'échanger

[4:08] sur votre vision de l'avenir de

[4:10] la Ville de Pointe-Claire. Pour

[4:12] participer, il est important de

[4:15] réserver votre place en

[4:16] remplissant le formulaire au

[4:17] plus tard le jeudi 19 octobre, à

[4:22] 16h. Ce dernier est disponible

[4:24] sur le site Web d'Eventbrite.

[4:30] >> Urban plan. The city of

[4:32] Pointe-Claire invited citizens

[4:33] to take part in the fourth

[4:35] collaborative workshop as part

[4:36] of its planning program review

[4:38] process. The event will be held

[4:40] on Wednesday, October 25th, at

[4:42] seven PM at -- nautical Centre.

[4:46] This fourth workshop will focus

[4:47] on the theme of empowering

[4:49] individual contributions for

[4:50] sustainable urban development.

[4:52] The objective of the event is to

[4:54] present different ways and which

[4:55] citizens can and do contribute

[4:57] to the resilient city and

[4:59] sustainable urban development.

[5:01] This is an opportunity to

[5:03] discuss your vision of the

[5:04] future of the city of

[5:05] Pointe-Claire. It is important

[5:06] to reserve your spot to

[5:08] participate by completing the

[5:10] forum no later than Thursday

[5:12] October 19th at four PM. The

[5:14] registration form is on the

[5:17] event bright website.

[5:18] Action de grâces. Horaires des

[5:21] services municipaux. En raison

[5:22] de la fête de l'Action de grâce,

[5:24] les bureaux administratifs de la

[5:25] Ville de Pointe-Claire, de même

[5:27] que la Bibliothèque publique et

[5:28] le Centre culturel Stewart Hall,

[5:31] seront fermés le lundi 9 octobre

[5:35] 2023. Le Centre aquatique de

[5:37] Pointe-Claire aura un horaire

[5:39] modifié les dimanche 8 octobre

[5:41] et lundi 9 octobre. Pour

[5:43] consulter ces horaires

[5:44] particuliers, consultez la

[5:46] section Sports et Loisirs du

[5:48] site Web de la Ville. L'aréna

[5:52] Bob-Birnie sera ouvert

[5:55] uniquement de 9h15 à 14h le

[5:56] lundi 9 octobre, tandis que le

[5:58] Centre sportif Olive-Urquhart

[6:00] sera fermé ce jour-là. Veuillez

[6:04] prendre note qu'à compter du

[6:06] mardi 10 octobre, l'Hôtel de

[6:08] ville et les services

[6:09] administratifs seront ouverts du

[6:11] lundi au vendredi, de 8h30 à

[6:19] 16h30.

[6:20] >> Thanksgiving schedule

[6:21] municipal services due to the

[6:22] Thanksgiving holiday, city of

[6:23] Pointe-Claire's administrative

[6:24] offices as well as the public

[6:26] library and the Stewart Hall

[6:27] cultural centre will be closed

[6:29] on Monday, October 9th, 2023.

[6:32] The Pointe-Claire aquatic center

[6:33] will have a modified schedule on

[6:36] Sunday, October 8th, and Monday

[6:38] October 9th's. To consult the

[6:41] special operating hours, visit

[6:42] the sports and leisure section

[6:44] on the City's website. The

[6:47] Bob-Birnie arena will only be

[6:48] open from 9:15 until two PM on

[6:50] Monday. October 9th. While the

[6:53] Olive-Urquhart Sports Centre

[6:54] will be closed on that day.

[6:56] Please note, starting on

[6:58] Tuesday, October 10th, City Hall

[7:00] in the administrative services

[7:01] will be open Monday to Friday,

[7:05] 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 PM.

[7:08] En terminant, j'aimerais

[7:10] féliciter notre nouveau

[7:12] directeur général adjoint, qui

[7:15] est entré en fonction dans son

[7:18] nouveau rôle le 11 septembre

[7:19] dernier. Je suis confiant qu'il

[7:22] sera d'un grand soutien pour

[7:24] notre direct très ce générale et

[7:27] qu'il sera... saura mener à bien

[7:29] les nombreux dossiers et projets

[7:31] de notre ville qui lui seront

[7:32] confiés.

[7:35] >> In closing let regulators are

[7:37] new assistant city manager who

[7:38] took up his new role on

[7:41] September 11th. I am confident

[7:42] that he will be of great support

[7:44] to our city manager, Karina

[7:46] fouled on, and that he will

[7:48] successfully complete the many

[7:52] programs industry interested to

[7:53] him. Période de questions.

[7:55] Question period. Je m'excuse!

[7:58] J'allais trop vite.

[8:03] - 1.1 Adoption de l'ordre du

[8:04] jour.

[8:06] >> 1.1, adoption of the agenda.

[8:07] >> So I have a mover?

[8:11] >> -- district to.

[8:14] >> Read

[8:36] >> Mr. --?

[8:37] >> And secular?

[8:39] >> Brad --, district eight.

[8:41] >> All in favour? Now, question

[8:47] period. Okay.

[8:49] Pour la période de questions, ce

[8:51] soir, à la période de questions,

[8:53] vous avez été accueilli à

[8:55] l'entrée pour vous inscrire à la

[8:57] période de questions.

[8:59] L'intention de cette démarche

[9:00] est d'abord de permettre aux

[9:01] personnes de demeurer à six

[9:04] jusqu'à l'appel de leurs noms et

[9:06] d'accorder la priorité aux

[9:08] résidents et résidentes de

[9:10] Pointe-Claire. Nous garderons 90

[9:15] minutes pour la période de

[9:16] questions. Deuxièmement, une

[9:18] personne à la fois au micro.

[9:20] Nous vous remercions d'attendre

[9:23] qu'un citoyen est terminé de

[9:24] poser sa question et que vous

[9:27] soyez appelé avant de vous lever

[9:29] pour venir poser votre question.

[9:32] Troisièmement, les non-résidents

[9:33] présents pourront poser leurs

[9:35] questions par la suite, si le

[9:36] temps n'est pas écouler.

[9:39] >> For question period, tonight,

[9:41] during question period, you are

[9:42] greeted at the entrance to

[9:44] register for the period. The

[9:45] goal of this approach is to

[9:46] allow people to remain seated

[9:47] until their name is called and

[9:49] give priority to Pointe-Claire

[9:50] residents. Excuse me. We shall

[9:53] stick to the nine minute time

[9:54] limit for question period. One

[9:56] person at a time at the

[9:57] microphone. Thank you for

[9:59] waiting for a citizen to finish

[10:00] asking their question and to be

[10:02] called before you get up to ask

[10:03] yours, and three, finally,

[10:06] nonresidents president will be

[10:07] able to ask questions afterward

[10:08] if there is still time. First

[10:13] up, Linda Dumas, or Dumas. Do

[10:17] miss? Sorry about that.

[10:24] >> It's Greek.

[10:27] [Laughter]

[10:28] >> It looked Québécois, thank

[10:30] you.

[10:31] >> This is the third time I am

[10:32] here. I am really tired, and I

[10:34] am always nervous, but in front

[10:37] of you, councillors and Mayor,

[10:39] you have examples of two

[10:44] petitions that were emailed to

[10:46] be emailed to engage citizens

[10:48] and they have gone out September

[10:51] 5th and of course the topic is

[10:55] biodiversity and a symbol of

[10:57] that biodiversity is the

[10:58] Fairview forest. It is right in

[11:02] our city. And then there are two

[11:06] examples. Many people only wish

[11:08] to sign in person signature

[11:12] petitions or, I call them

[11:14] awareness statements. It doesn't

[11:15] have to be called a petition. On

[11:18] one of the four statements my

[11:20] husband and I have reduced the

[11:24] intro to say we must have a

[11:29] sustained citizens, we must have

[11:32] a sustained presence with the

[11:35] four representatives of

[11:38] government and to let them know

[11:39] that we are aware and we expect

[11:45] action, not just more words and

[11:47] more planning and more planning.

[11:49] Because the 21st century waits

[11:52] for no one. Almost everywhere,

[11:56] almost somewhere in this world,

[11:58] every day, we hear about some

[12:00] place that is on life support,

[12:02] at least temporarily,

[12:04] unfortunately. As a an intro to

[12:10] this, September 29th, the

[12:13] Pointe-Claire info letter lead

[12:16] with you M Q. I hate acronyms. I

[12:20] hate little abbreviations,

[12:22] because they mean nothing. It

[12:23] means the United municipalities

[12:27] of Québec. I guess Mayor Thomas,

[12:29] you are at that meeting when

[12:34] there was a significant signing

[12:37] of, we are going to work

[12:41] together because biodiversity or

[12:42] the lack of keeping our

[12:45] biodiversity is killing us.

[12:46] Those are my words. Now, as we

[12:49] know with the U.N. and we know

[12:51] with world leaders, carp, et

[12:54] cetera, they get together year

[12:56] after year and with great

[12:58] proposals, but they don't move

[13:00] it forward. So unfortunately

[13:03] that is why I am here today and

[13:06] while I don't know if that was

[13:09] from -- or from Les narrow from,

[13:13] some months ago, they don't

[13:16] believe that any allowable of

[13:19] government, municipal on up, can

[13:20] get the job done, and that's why

[13:24] they peddled their ideas, their

[13:29] concerns. And at age 76, as I

[13:33] said, in July was I'm not here

[13:38] for myself and I'm sure there's

[13:41] gonna be enough trees by the

[13:43] time I depart but we have to

[13:47] give youth a feeling of hope. We

[13:50] have to let them breathe and not

[13:59] these would Mères au front, they

[14:00] talk about and know about the

[14:02] anxiety of children, I've young

[14:05] adults, mental issues. And they

[14:11] are feeling that their future is

[14:13] possibly quite hopeless. Maybe

[14:16] it is, as some of us has

[14:18] discussed, but as long as we are

[14:20] on this earth we have to do what

[14:24] we can to enable a livable, a

[14:29] viable future until some and. I

[14:37] so the first mention, so if as I

[14:43] am asking, as I ask you in July,

[14:46] when Mr. Cowan chaired the

[14:49] evening, to please study what is

[14:52] in front of you, find a few

[14:54] adults in each of your ridings

[14:56] who will contact me. You've got

[14:59] my email, my phone number, who

[15:01] will contact me to help us

[15:05] engage your, our constituents, I

[15:08] mean I've been speaking to a lot

[15:10] of people. Some of them don't

[15:12] know, even though they know

[15:13] about Fairview shopping centre,

[15:15] they don't know that the

[15:17] Fairview forest is that very

[15:19] green spot, thankfully, that's

[15:22] still there, and quite frankly

[15:24] they don't really know it's

[15:26] significance and what it does.

[15:28] And I feel that, as I said in

[15:31] July, this is your legacy

[15:33] mandate, whether you know it or

[15:35] not. Please, you've got to get

[15:37] out of the 20th century, the 19

[15:41] 80s. Greed is good, et cetera at

[15:44] satirized. And you have to

[15:46] embrace the 21st century. You

[15:49] have to say goodbye to your

[15:52] former alliances and we your

[15:57] groupings. You have to think

[16:00] ethically and individually each

[16:03] day. To give hope to our youth.

[16:06] So this package contains written

[16:09] and graphic material to bring

[16:11] awareness to each of your

[16:14] constituents. I'm going to start

[16:16] walking around walk. Last week

[16:19] was the 150th week of save

[16:22] Fairview forest. The troopers

[16:27] with their banners and of course

[16:31] their website, which is just

[16:33] full of knowledge. And so I went

[16:36] to, I guess, about 100 homes,

[16:40] hanging things at that senior-y.

[16:45] Mr. Tremblay, you weren't there,

[16:46] you weren't able to be there,

[16:48] unfortunately. And I guess I

[16:53] used to be in direct

[16:54] advertising, the poll the poll

[16:56] was possibly 5%, which is

[16:58] considered not too bad. So maybe

[17:00] about 30 people showed up. And,

[17:07] oh, one last thing, because I

[17:09] know the list isn't long. To Ms.

[17:12] Holman and Ms. Cullen, who

[17:14] shouted out at me in July,

[17:17] saying no you can't, maybe you

[17:19] don't remember what you shouted

[17:20] that out about, well, the answer

[17:22] is, yes I can. I went to the

[17:25] legal department, and yes, 90

[17:27] minutes is afforded us. It

[17:31] depends on the nature of what is

[17:34] being presented. I do not call

[17:40] myself a question period person.

[17:41] I call myself, this is a citizen

[17:44] period, I have made statements.

[17:46] I will not ask you a question,

[17:49] because hopefully you have been

[17:50] listening, and so my question

[17:52] is, what is your response? Now

[17:56] usually there is no response.

[17:57] This is my third time. And there

[18:01] is never an adequate response.

[18:03] But if anyone as you, and this

[18:05] is the second time in a row that

[18:08] I've asked each of you

[18:10] councillors to tell me what are

[18:12] you doing to bring awareness

[18:15] about this very serious issue to

[18:18] your constituents? Thank you.

[18:21] [Applause]

[18:28] >> And democracies you can't

[18:30] clap. Thank you.

[18:34] >> Thanks, Miss dullness. Is a

[18:36] question you like me to answer

[18:37] in there personally? Or would

[18:39] you like me to answer a

[18:44] question.

[18:45] >> I don't know. What can you

[18:48] do? A lot of people don't like

[18:51] you. I like you.

[18:53] >> I find more do then don't.

[18:57] >> But maybe if you were -- I

[19:01] think you do a lot more because

[19:03] I think each one of you is first

[19:05] and foremost a citizen of this

[19:09] earth. --

[19:11] >> Okay. I can answer. Does

[19:17] anyone else? No, okay. My first

[19:22] sort of response to your

[19:24] presentation is that I wouldn't

[19:27] call the future hopeless myself.

[19:33] [Inaudible]

[19:35] >> I firmly believe in Fell's

[19:39] self fulfilling prophecy. You

[19:40] have to be careful of the self

[19:42] fulfilling prophecy. If you

[19:43] think there is hope, there is

[19:44] hope. If you don't, it doesn't

[19:45] help you be an activist. You're

[19:47] only an activist if you have

[19:48] hope. So my last published line

[19:50] was, without hope there can be

[19:52] no solutions. So I wouldn't

[19:54] advocate that it's hopeless. I

[19:56] think it still isn't until we're

[19:57] gone. So I would keep trying.

[20:01] And a lot of us, in our own

[20:02] ways, do keep trying. There is a

[20:08] building freeze in the city of

[20:11] Pointe-Claire which is a

[20:12] positive initiative. There is a

[20:14] CMM building freeze as well, and

[20:16] a Pointe-Claire building freeze.

[20:20] It's not as -- if

[20:21] [Inaudible]

[20:25] >> CMM. Municipality of

[20:28] Montréal. Yes.

[20:31] [Inaudible]

[20:35] >> Two different things.

[20:37] >> Yeah, yeah, to specify. My

[20:40] point is that there are two

[20:42] interim control measures on the

[20:45] Fairview forest. It's not like

[20:46] no one's done anything. There

[20:47] has been some positive --

[20:50] [Inaudible]

[20:52] >> We all voted it in. So there

[20:54] has been something done. There

[20:55] has been something done. It's

[20:58] not like hope is futile. Can

[21:01] more be done? More can always be

[21:03] done. To save the planet it is

[21:05] all about positive initiatives

[21:07] in our daily life. Everything we

[21:09] contribute and do to make the

[21:11] world a better place is what I

[21:13] would encourage everybody to do.

[21:18] [Inaudible]

[21:21] About three months ago and no

[21:23] longer going to --

[21:25] >> Oh, the butterfly, the

[21:27] milkweed. Okay.

[21:30] >> And it all costs

[21:33] [Inaudible]

[21:35] 25 years, 30 years.

[21:39] >> And unfortunately saving

[21:41] green space has a cost as well.

[21:43] Governments have budgets. That's

[21:46] a huge part of the problem.

[21:47] >> It's not a problem. It's

[21:50] worldwide

[21:51] [Inaudible]

[21:52] -- it's an economical way to

[21:54] move forward.

[21:56] >> Yes. In other words the

[21:57] cheapest way of protecting the

[21:59] environment is to not to --.

[22:05] Okay. Thank you, Ms. Dumas. And

[22:09] sorry for the mispronounced CA

[22:10] shun of your name. Kurt Mueller?

[22:22] >> Good evening, everyone.

[22:24] Mister Mayor, councillors. At

[22:28] one for seven --, Pointe-Claire,

[22:30] and about a month ago I became

[22:33] extremely concerned with the

[22:35] level of traffic and the speed

[22:38] of which the traffic is going on

[22:39] or street. I took it upon myself

[22:42] to call Claude Cousineau, and he

[22:45] encouraged me to write an email

[22:47] suggesting what the problem

[22:49] statement wise. I see it as

[22:52] being three fault. Effectively

[22:55] the first concern is the level

[22:58] of traffic on or street has

[23:00] probably increased. I'm going

[23:02] about this in a very qualitative

[23:03] way, since I don't have the data

[23:05] to support how much the numbers

[23:08] have increased. But certainly to

[23:11] my best estimation, the numbers

[23:14] have increased by twofold to

[23:15] threefold over the last 15

[23:17] years. So in the morning, during

[23:19] the rush hour, it's at the point

[23:21] where we can hardly get out of

[23:23] her driveways because it is

[23:25] continuous traffic up and down

[23:26] the street. You know where the

[23:29] rush is, it has effectively

[23:32] become a by street. I think what

[23:34] is happening is people are no

[23:36] longer using safe travels and

[23:38] Beaconsfield, but they're coming

[23:39] down -- street to beat the light

[23:43] on St. Charles. My best

[23:47] estimation is that about 95% of

[23:50] the traffic in the morning is

[23:52] not local. It's certainly just

[23:56] uses A through point. Street.

[24:00] The second concern we have, or I

[24:01] have, is that for the most part

[24:06] the speed exceeds the 40

[24:08] kilometer number. The reason

[24:10] that I say that is because about

[24:12] a month ago the city of

[24:14] Pointe-Claire put up a seed

[24:16] monitor on our street so I sat

[24:19] there one day and counted 100

[24:21] cars because they wanted the

[24:23] numbers to the significant. So

[24:28] effectively I counted 100 cars

[24:29] and I found that roughly 70% of

[24:32] the cars were exceeding the

[24:34] speed limit. The downside with

[24:36] the monitoring system that you

[24:37] put up is that it truncated at

[24:40] 45. 45 kilometres per hour. So

[24:45] beyond 45 Pilar kilometres per

[24:46] hour it just is too fast. So the

[24:51] other major concern is because

[24:52] this past summer I witnessed, I

[24:55] personally witnessed several of

[24:56] our small children that are out

[24:58] in the street and our street is

[25:00] becoming younger, which is

[25:01] great. A lot of the older folks

[25:03] are moving on. The newer

[25:05] families are moving in with

[25:06] young children. But the kids are

[25:10] in danger, in my best

[25:13] estimation. Two times the summer

[25:15] I saw a very very close calls,

[25:18] to the point where one kid was

[25:20] rushed with a side mirror of an

[25:23] automobile. So I think we really

[25:26] seriously need a hard look at

[25:30] this. I don't have the answers

[25:31] but I am sure that Pointe-Claire

[25:34] with or industrial engineering

[25:36] department could positively come

[25:37] up with something oh look at

[25:41] something that would collect

[25:43] data, both in a qualitative and

[25:47] quantitative manner. Something

[25:50] along those lines. But I think

[25:52] the first step is to collect

[25:53] data, understand the data, and

[25:57] put preventative measures in

[25:58] place to try and eliminate these

[26:03] 2 to 3 problem's. So in closing,

[26:10] I'm asking the City of

[26:11] Pointe-Claire to, if possible,

[26:13] generate a pilot program and

[26:15] then get back to the people of

[26:20] dolorous with solutions as to

[26:22] what the proposal went forward.

[26:25] I'm not gonna discuss speed

[26:26] bumps, because I know that's an

[26:28] issue, but at what I would

[26:29] strongly recommend is that you

[26:30] come back with some form of

[26:33] improvement, because someone is

[26:34] going to get hurt. When it's

[26:36] going to be at the expense of

[26:38] citizens of Pointe-Claire. So

[26:40] that's why I took it upon myself

[26:42] to come today. I think it's very

[26:44] important that we look at it,

[26:46] now will continue talking with

[26:52] Claude Cousineau on this matter,

[26:53] but I would strongly recommend

[26:55] some form of a pilot project

[26:57] going forward to try and fix the

[26:59] problem we are seeing. And that

[27:01] is preach pretty much it for me.

[27:05] >> Okay.

[27:06] >> I was a volunteer in

[27:09] Pointe-Claire for 30 years a

[27:11] hockey coach. I do have 20

[27:13] signatures from everyone on our

[27:16] street supporting the movement

[27:18] so I don't think who I would

[27:20] don't know who I would give it

[27:21] to. I will drop it off. And I

[27:25] think Claude Cousineau as the

[27:27] regional draft of the email I

[27:28] sent out. Thank you.

[27:30] >> Thank you, Curt Mullen, and

[27:31] thank you for your volunteer

[27:33] service as a hockey coach. I've

[27:35] done it myself, and it's a

[27:37] thankless task sometimes. I

[27:38] don't know if you have

[27:42] encountered Georgia but, Georgia

[27:43] has been the advocate for --

[27:47] Kurt, have you met Georgia yet?

[27:53] [Inaudible]

[27:55] About two days ago.

[28:04] [Inaudible]

[28:15] Two days ago I was introduced to

[28:17] Georgia --

[28:18] >> She has spoken to me and to

[28:25] Erin Tedford, and -- quite

[28:28] frequently. So it is known to

[28:31] us. The street is known to. Us

[28:32] they have done studies. The

[28:35] people they have done studies

[28:37] on, and they weren't demand

[28:38] dramatically bad, of the times

[28:39] they did them it's always a

[28:43] tricky thing

[28:57] [Inaudible]

[29:14] >> There are not a lot of enough

[29:16] police officers to survey the

[29:18] streets, there may not be a

[29:20] budget for up. What I will say

[29:22] is that we have looked at it as

[29:23] a city and the traffic committee

[29:26] does look, and the street has

[29:27] been looked at. As far as

[29:32] solutions I would say that the

[29:35] major problem here is that we

[29:37] have too much traffic density.

[29:39] So the major arteries you're

[29:41] getting spill off four metre

[29:43] major arteries. It's full of

[29:45] four major arteries because they

[29:46] are fall. And they are full

[29:50] because we have an awful lot of

[29:51] citizens for those major

[29:52] arteries. So the solution is --

[29:57] [Inaudible]

[30:03] >> I hear you.

[30:04] [Inaudible]

[30:08] >> This is the future. Now we're

[30:09] in the process of trying to

[30:11] figure out how to do pedestrian

[30:13] or bicycle overpasses and how to

[30:16] get flow, citizen flow,

[30:19] north-south over the 20 and 40

[30:21] without it spilling over, right?

[30:26] [Inaudible]

[30:40] [Inaudible]

[30:44] >> I'll tell you, it's, the

[30:48] solution is multiple. It's not

[30:50] just effort its money. You have

[30:52] to expand. And first and

[30:54] foremost, if you have

[30:55] densification, too much

[30:58] densification you have to have

[30:59] infrastructure to accommodate

[31:00] it. The way to do that is

[31:01] increase for infrastructure,

[31:04] erodes, and public transit.

[31:06] Public transit is the key. I

[31:07] would still argue that

[31:09] north-south in Pointe-Claire, we

[31:10] are still woefully inadequate.

[31:13] We need more buses, we could

[31:15] have a metro, we could do an

[31:16] underpass. We still didn't have

[31:19] the jack beside corridor, the

[31:21] extra north-south that was

[31:23] planned for -- there are

[31:26] solutions out there but a lot of

[31:28] the solutions are economic. So I

[31:31] hear what you're saying.

[31:36] [Inaudible]

[31:37] >> We have to allocate the funds

[31:38] to do it. We have to have the

[31:40] funds to do it. And I would

[31:42] argue that prior to densify in,

[31:45] we should have an infrastructure

[31:46] that can accommodate it. And we

[31:48] should work absolutely on our

[31:50] public transit and our major

[31:52] arteries and make sure they can

[31:53] accommodate citizens and public

[31:55] transit.

[31:56] >> Sir, I'm sorry, but I have

[31:59] been advised --

[32:01] >> People at home can't hear you

[32:02] in the question whether

[32:03] gentleman is saying. Come back

[32:05] to the microphone, please?

[32:07] >> Thank you, Danielle.

[32:09] >> My pleasure.

[32:10] >> I know you did, and I

[32:11] apologize. I'm more guilty than

[32:13] you are.

[32:15] >> The last question was,

[32:19] Dylan's question was that you

[32:21] had for me?

[32:24] >> Oh, good question. I gotta

[32:25] remember what my last question

[32:27] was. I basically was --

[32:29] >> I guess my final statement

[32:31] would be, I'm very concerned

[32:34] with, I've been a hockey coach

[32:35] for a long time, I see the kids

[32:37] are playing road hockey and so

[32:38] on on the street. They

[32:40] shouldn't, but we like to see it

[32:41] when they do that. And I'm very

[32:44] concerned that someone's gonna

[32:45] get hit because of the speed of

[32:47] the vehicles on the street in

[32:48] the frequency. It's very high.

[32:52] So if there is something you can

[32:54] do, we would fully appreciate

[32:55] it. Again, I don't have the

[32:57] answers. I will be you can help

[32:58] us with that. I guess that's

[33:02] where I will leave it. And thank

[33:04] you again.

[33:05] >> Thank you. Susan Weaver?

[33:16] >> Mister Thomas, I understand

[33:18] that Sotramont is suing you

[33:20] personally for making false

[33:22] statements about them. I also

[33:24] understand that taxpayers are

[33:25] required by law to pay the legal

[33:28] fees for your defence at least

[33:30] upfront. I was a witness to what

[33:34] happened. I stand by my

[33:36] statement of January 17th, 2023,

[33:39] at the council meeting. My

[33:41] description as to what occurred

[33:42] in the parking lot. It seems to

[33:45] me this whole thing could go

[33:46] away, therefore saving the

[33:49] citizens a lot of money if you

[33:51] would simply do the right thing

[33:53] and publicly apologize.

[33:55] Remember, Mister Thomas, myself

[33:57] and another person where they

[33:58] are and saw what happened. Will

[34:00] you do the right thing and

[34:02] publicly apologize for the city?

[34:08] >> If you want to see what

[34:10] happened, I encourage you to

[34:12] watch the webcasts of our

[34:15] council meetings. There were a

[34:16] couple of testimonies of what

[34:17] happened by citizens were

[34:19] involved. There were five

[34:21] citizens. There were two

[34:23] citizens and two councillors and

[34:25] the mayor. I left the incident

[34:28] right away. There was an

[34:29] incident in the parking lot --

[34:31] >> Excuse me, Mister Mayor?

[34:34] >> Yes?

[34:35] >> I don't think the village in

[34:37] court, I don't think you -- can

[34:39] >> You're probably right. It's a

[34:40] good idea. You can find out on

[34:43] the webcast. If you want to find

[34:45] out what happened, I won't

[34:46] describe it, and Councillor

[34:49] Claude Cousineau is correct. I

[34:50] would encourage you to watch the

[34:52] various testimonies of people

[34:53] who were there. And let me

[34:58] correct the false statements.

[35:00] They were allegedly false

[35:02] statements. It's important to

[35:04] say. And other than that, I try

[35:09] to do my job and do the right

[35:10] thing for the citizens of

[35:13] Pointe-Claire. And I do what I

[35:16] do and protect and save things

[35:18] that I think are in the best

[35:20] interest of the city of

[35:22] Pointe-Claire. That's all I can

[35:24] do, is try and do my job. So

[35:27] thank you.

[35:33] Can Lyons?

[35:34] >> Good evening. At last council

[35:37] meeting I brought up the issue

[35:39] of the path between Camden and

[35:43] lakeshore General Hospital do

[35:44] you have anything to report?

[35:49] >> Lots, actually. The bike path

[35:51] that we share with Kirkland, I

[35:53] believe?

[35:54] >> Yes, we are in discussion

[35:55] with the CP O of Kirkland to

[36:00] repay the pathway so I don't

[36:02] have an answer yet for Parkland,

[36:05] but we are in discussions.

[36:07] >> Surprising. I thank you. The

[36:09] reason why is because yesterday

[36:11] I turned to my former councillor

[36:14] in Kirkland, John Morrison, and

[36:16] John said that about 2005 he had

[36:22] Bill McMurray come over to the

[36:24] path and Bill said yes, it's

[36:27] hours, it's Pointe-Claire. Now

[36:31] the other thing that our, my

[36:32] councillor told me is that,

[36:34] well, Kirkland is going to take

[36:36] care of, it and that's it. The

[36:38] issue will go away. But I think

[36:41] that something like that is not

[36:45] really nailed down, and I hope

[36:47] that a discussion between

[36:49] Pointe-Claire and Kirkland will

[36:51] be firmed up.

[36:52] >> It will be.

[36:54] >> Thank you.

[36:55] >> There are positive

[36:56] discussions, from what I

[36:57] understand.

[36:58] >> I have to make a remark. I'm

[37:00] sorry I have to do that, but I

[37:01] have been attending council

[37:03] meetings since the early 1970s.

[37:07] It's over 100 of them. I have

[37:10] seen a lot of council meetings.

[37:11] I have been mostly at Kirkland

[37:14] for the last over 20 years,

[37:17] nearly everyone. And I have

[37:20] never seen such a dysfunctional

[37:23] council as the meetings that go

[37:25] on here. And I'm sorry to say

[37:29] that. But we have a 90 minute

[37:32] period. I was surprised to see

[37:34] it that long. I never saw a

[37:36] period that long. The other

[37:38] thing is, they are not

[37:40] controlled tightly. Having

[37:42] people talk back and forth, at

[37:45] length, there is no place for

[37:47] that. If people have an issue,

[37:49] they want to go on, talk on one

[37:53] in one with the individual,

[37:54] prepare your documents ahead of

[37:57] time so that it can be cut

[37:59] short, and invite you, that if I

[38:01] talk more than five minutes, you

[38:03] tell me, go and sit down, I will

[38:05] not argue. Is that clear? So

[38:10] please, when a meeting is going

[38:11] on, keep it succinct and ask of

[38:17] us, the citizens, to also be

[38:20] succinct. You may not need a 90

[38:22] minute council meeting because

[38:24] of that. And when I am saying

[38:26] succinct, it works both ways. So

[38:30] seriously consider that. Thank

[38:31] you.

[38:32] >> Thank you. If I could

[38:35] respond, Mister Ken Lyons, I

[38:38] believe it is our job to hear

[38:41] citizens out. I don't catch

[38:43] citizens short. Very rarely do I

[38:45] cut citizens short. And I think

[38:47] it's really important that

[38:48] people go home having head their

[38:51] question, having felt that they

[38:52] have fully explain themselves

[38:54] and had the question answered.

[38:56] And I endeavour to do so and I

[38:58] don't think it's a fault. I

[39:00] think the quality. Maybe I'm

[39:01] doing it differently, but that

[39:03] is my belief. I also would like

[39:06] to point out that -- no, excuse

[39:08] me sir. I would like to also

[39:10] point out that 90 minutes is not

[39:13] an inordinate amount of time.

[39:14] Some councils pick up the

[39:16] following day. I know some

[39:18] cities that don't finish the

[39:19] first meeting and will follow up

[39:21] after that meeting. I have also

[39:24] seen, in three municipalities,

[39:25] one of them being -- Québec

[39:27] where my mother lives, I've seen

[39:30] council meetings that far exceed

[39:31] hours. So I don't know who

[39:34] you're comparing to but I see

[39:35] lots of examples. I've witnessed

[39:37] lots of examples, of the time

[39:40] duration is much longer. I hear

[39:41] what you are saying. There are

[39:44] people that have that

[39:45] interpretation. It's not mine.

[39:48] >> Okay. Mister Mayor?

[39:50] >> Yes?

[39:51] >> Right off the bat, what

[39:53] you're saying is that --

[39:55] >> Are you debating or asking me

[39:57] a question?

[39:58] >> I'm not debating, I just want

[39:59] to point something out. I

[40:00] refused to debate. It's not a

[40:02] forum for that. Is that I hear

[40:06] you saying you want to hear the

[40:08] citizens. Will you are not

[40:10] hearing all the citizens.

[40:11] There's a whole mess of people.

[40:13] You have to show up at 6:30 if

[40:14] you want to have a chance of

[40:16] asking a question. Otherwise you

[40:18] can't make it. So what about the

[40:21] people that come here, who have

[40:24] an issue, they can't bring it up

[40:26] by themself? And that's it.

[40:28] >> No problem. Solution? Longer

[40:30] beating. There we go. Vanessa

[40:35] McLeod or McKay? Sorry.

[40:41] >> Hi. I'm Vanessa Mackay from

[40:45] the Pointe-Claire daily. I am a

[40:50] local, merchant, I own the point

[40:55] clear deli. We met a few weeks

[40:57] ago. I brought up concerns about

[41:01] poutine festival that was

[41:02] allowed to happen in the parking

[41:05] lot in front of the two clauses,

[41:09] during the -- village. And you

[41:10] and I had a meeting as well as

[41:15] Antonio? And your secretary, her

[41:17] name was Julie was there as

[41:18] well. During that meeting you

[41:22] advised me that you had no idea

[41:24] what was going on with the

[41:26] poutine festival, that you had

[41:29] not approved it, that you had

[41:33] participated in a discussion

[41:35] about it being held elsewhere,

[41:37] months and months prior to that.

[41:40] It has come to my knowledge

[41:41] that's not the case. I have

[41:45] emails from your office, right

[41:48] up until the end of August, that

[41:53] are discussed saying that he had

[41:55] to be in the Valois village, and

[41:58] at the time they were talking

[42:00] about it even happening in

[42:01] August. You asked me to email

[42:06] you with description of the ways

[42:07] that this was going to affect my

[42:09] business. One of the other main

[42:11] issues that I found was that V

[42:16] application or the permit rather

[42:19] had been given to the poutine

[42:20] festival, but it was given to

[42:22] them for Friday through Sunday,

[42:24] so that would've been September

[42:26] 22nd through the 24th, I

[42:28] believe. They were setting up in

[42:30] our parking lot on the Monday.

[42:32] They had dropped off big rigs

[42:34] and we're already taking up the

[42:36] parking lot on the Sunday. We

[42:39] had notified city hall, myself

[42:40] and other merchants, had

[42:42] notified you guys on Monday that

[42:44] this was going on. We had giant

[42:47] trucks in the air kicking our

[42:48] employees, kicking our customers

[42:50] out of there, threatening to

[42:51] call the police on us if we

[42:54] didn't remove our cars. I myself

[42:56] have my car cage into the

[42:58] parking lot and had to go and

[43:00] get some very large minute to

[43:02] remove the caging so that I

[43:03] could leave the parking lot. You

[43:06] said to me personally that you

[43:09] would never allow that festival

[43:10] to go on at the expense of the

[43:13] merchants that were in that

[43:14] area. Use word to me that you

[43:16] would do something, and that was

[43:18] not the case either. I emailed

[43:20] you and received no response. I

[43:23] ended up closing my business for

[43:24] a full week. This cost be

[43:28] thousands and thousands of

[43:29] dollars. It cost my employees

[43:31] their paycheques for the week.

[43:33] And I want to know what's going

[43:34] to be done about that. I want to

[43:36] know what kind of compensation

[43:38] we can expect, and I want to

[43:39] know why I wasn't even given the

[43:43] respect of an email back, why I

[43:45] was just left in the lurch, not

[43:47] knowing what was going on.

[43:49] >> Okay. The email, April guys,

[43:51] I haven't seen. And I will ask

[43:52] truly if it's there. She usually

[43:55] flags that. If I missed an

[43:57] email, I apologize. The reason

[44:00] it wasn't stopped's was because

[44:02] we had a council meeting in

[44:03] decided that we wouldn't stop

[44:05] the poutine festival. We had a

[44:07] special meeting for it.

[44:08] >> What was the date of the

[44:10] meeting?

[44:11] >> I can't remember.

[44:14] >> The date of the meeting I

[44:15] believe was on the Thursday.

[44:17] >> The date that we met

[44:19] afterwards, to decide? I will

[44:21] let you know so a lot you know

[44:23] there was a meeting and --

[44:25] excuse me justify could continue

[44:28] speaking here. So we did have a

[44:30] meeting about that, after your

[44:32] meeting. And we did decide to

[44:37] continue to allow the poutine

[44:39] festival to continue. But we did

[44:41] indeed have a meeting to decide

[44:42] that. So it's not like nothing

[44:45] was done.

[44:46] >> But there -- was

[44:48] >> Excuse me, but as for being,

[44:51] he's allowed one question and

[44:53] then a subsequent question. When

[44:56] we did meet, and I remember, you

[44:59] didn't meet with me, I came down

[45:00] because Julie was down there

[45:02] with Tony. I came down to find

[45:03] out what was going on, because

[45:05] she's my administrative

[45:06] assistant, and I didn't know why

[45:08] she was doing that role because

[45:09] it's not one that I would want

[45:10] her to be put in. And what I

[45:15] found intriguing wise that yes,

[45:16] you are right, it was days in

[45:18] advance of when they were

[45:19] supposed to, which I found

[45:21] shocking. There have been no

[45:23] notification. This all came as a

[45:25] complete surprise to me. As you

[45:28] will recall, I am a merchant. I

[45:30] was a merchant, Emma merchant,

[45:32] and continue, well I'm not a

[45:34] merchant now as mayor, but my

[45:35] son has been running the store,

[45:36] but I've been a merchant for 23

[45:38] years. I completely agree. I

[45:43] think that there is a mistake

[45:44] often made when it comes to

[45:46] special events. Everybody

[45:47] believes that if you bring a lot

[45:49] of people in, there's economic

[45:51] spinoff. In fact, there often

[45:55] isn't. And if you speak to David

[45:57] Epstein and the Pointe-Claire

[45:59] Village merchants association,

[46:01] they used to always have special

[46:02] events and I would show them my

[46:03] books after a special event. I

[46:05] told you this actually, in the

[46:07] meeting. I would show my books

[46:08] after the special event and I

[46:10] would often lose money in

[46:12] special events because when you

[46:14] bring people in, not necessarily

[46:16] economic spinoff. When it's a

[46:18] mass consumption, when his mass

[46:20] consumption event, at the

[46:22] poutine fest or any other, when

[46:23] you bring a lot of people in

[46:25] it's not guaranteed that they're

[46:26] gonna go into that store and

[46:28] purchase something. That is

[46:30] certainly been the case with me.

[46:32] It has to be niche market. I

[46:34] have done a couple of events

[46:36] myself. In the village, the ones

[46:37] that are niche market work. I do

[46:40] the antique and country fair,

[46:41] which I organized for five

[46:42] years. Two of those solely.

[46:45] Those head economic spinoff, but

[46:46] that was directly related to my

[46:48] product. But there were other

[46:49] events were tons of people came

[46:50] in there was no spin-off. So we

[46:52] have to be very selective in

[46:55] what we allow to come into our

[46:58] commercial villages. They can't

[47:00] just be mass events that bring

[47:01] in lots of people. They have to

[47:03] be events that we think will

[47:04] have economic spinoff. And we

[47:07] have to, as a city, we have to

[47:10] really tighten up our special

[47:13] events process to make sure that

[47:15] in fact there is economic

[47:17] spinoff and at the events we

[47:19] choose our ones where there are

[47:22] economic spinoff. I distinguish

[47:25] two types, events in the evening

[47:27] are fun events in our

[47:29] necessarily don't impact as much

[47:31] on merchants. In the day events

[47:34] are different. We've had

[47:35] successful events. We've had the

[47:38] Pointe-Claire, the West Island

[47:40] blues festival. We had strangers

[47:41] in the night. We've had a few

[47:42] that were successes. This one is

[47:46] debatable. I've got to tell you,

[47:48] even as of today, there are

[47:50] merchants who quite liked it.

[47:52] There are, I've had, I know,

[47:54] it's amazing, and I was at an

[47:56] event on Sunday, we could have

[47:59] merchants had actually one of

[48:00] the poutine fest to go to the

[48:02] Pointe-Claire Village.

[48:04] >> Pointe-Claire Village?

[48:05] >> And I am astonished by this.

[48:09] For me it's incredible sort of,

[48:13] and the other thing when I met

[48:14] with you that I found really

[48:17] astonishing was that I asked you

[48:18] what the merchants association

[48:21] had said, had told to, regarding

[48:24] that event. And you didn't know

[48:26] that there was a Valois

[48:31] merchants association. So here

[48:32] we have emergencies ocean that

[48:33] the merchants don't know about

[48:34] that supposed to liaise with the

[48:36] City. So there's a lot of

[48:38] communication problems going on

[48:39] here. The fact that the

[48:41] merchants weren't alerted in

[48:43] advance, I found quite shocking.

[48:48] It's okay, as long as the

[48:53] merchants are alerted in

[48:54] advance, there's a lot to learn.

[48:57] Here in this process. A lot of

[48:59] cities. In fact I'm speaking

[49:02] with my director general, and

[49:04] 95% of our events don't even get

[49:06] to council. That's the normal

[49:08] procedure.

[49:09] >> And event this large?

[49:11] >> Most events don't go to

[49:12] Council. This is what I'm told.

[49:15] So in a lot of other cities,

[49:17] that is the case. So for me it's

[49:19] --

[49:20] >> Could you elaborate a bit

[49:21] more? Large events like this

[49:24] happen on a regular basis, and

[49:26] none no you would know about? It

[49:28] >> They know, but the

[49:30] decision-making process doesn't

[49:31] necessarily go to Council.

[49:32] >> That's so strange. I'm pretty

[49:34] sure, even if you want to have a

[49:36] birthday party here you have to

[49:38] notify every single neighbour.

[49:41] >> No. No. No. A lot of events,

[49:45] our departments are specialized,

[49:46] and they're good. Usually

[49:48] traffic circulation flow,

[49:50] closing streets, all these kind

[49:51] of things is handled by

[49:52] professionals who do it for a

[49:53] living. So they bring it to us.

[49:56] They bring it to us afterwards.

[49:58] You're right, if it's a huge

[49:59] one, or something of some

[50:00] sensitivity, it'll probably come

[50:02] up. A lot of events go through

[50:04] the procedure without getting to

[50:05] Council. So there is a lot of

[50:07] stuff that we have to learn

[50:08] about.

[50:09] >> Can I ask --

[50:11] >> Can I finish?

[50:13] >> I want to add something

[50:15] specific.

[50:16] >> There's a lot of stuff that

[50:18] we can learn about special

[50:20] events. We welcome to the same

[50:22] conclusion, I mean regarding

[50:25] poutine first coming back next

[50:27] year. It's very interesting

[50:29] proposition. We have, obviously,

[50:32] we have to sit down and decide.

[50:34] I think it should go through,

[50:36] sort of decided preliminary

[50:40] premonition preliminarily. A

[50:41] percolates. Up there are events

[50:43] that come, in percolate up,

[50:45] Council gets to pick, or pick or

[50:48] delineate the important ones, et

[50:49] cetera. That's what we have to

[50:51] start doing. The process, you're

[50:52] right, we need tightening up in

[50:53] the procedure. We're going to do

[50:55] that.

[50:57] >> Okay, but as far as the

[51:00] compensation goes --

[51:01] >> I can't speak to that yet.

[51:03] That's not for me to decide.

[51:05] >> But when we were speaking you

[51:06] said to me specifically but you

[51:08] would never ask a small

[51:10] merchant, you would never allow

[51:12] poutine first to happen at the

[51:13] expense of any other merchants.

[51:15] In fact, you said I don't care

[51:18] if they sue me, correct?

[51:20] >> Who said that?

[51:21] >> I don't know if that's

[51:23] correct.

[51:24] >> I don't care if they sue me,

[51:25] I would never allow poutine

[51:27] pressed to go forward.

[51:28] >> I wouldn't have said I don't

[51:29] care if they sue me. What

[51:32] >> Those were your words.

[51:33] >> No, thank you, I'm sorry, you

[51:35] may forget things, but I don't.

[51:36] I do not forget a vegetable that

[51:38] I approved four weeks later, and

[51:40] I certainly don't forget

[51:42] conversations that I had two

[51:43] weeks ago. So I will let you

[51:47] know that is exactly verbatim

[51:48] what you said.

[51:49] >> I would ask you to control

[51:50] yourself at the microphone. But

[51:51] I would like to tell you is, I

[51:53] did not decide to have that

[51:55] event. A mayor cannot decide on

[52:00] an event. A mayor can't specify

[52:01] --

[52:02] >> These emails that I have here

[52:03] are from your office, and I

[52:04] would assume that you are

[52:06] secretary, who speaks for you in

[52:09] these emails, ccs you on these

[52:11] emails, I would assume --

[52:13] >> Not always. First of all. I

[52:16] >> Have them all highlighted.

[52:17] Here

[52:18] >> Let me specify, ma'am, and

[52:19] this is getting a little

[52:21] lengthy. Let me specify --

[52:23] >> Because you have it answered

[52:24] --

[52:25] >> And let me specify that a

[52:27] mayor cannot decide on the

[52:30] events. Slowly. A mayor is not

[52:32] allowed solely to decide. No I

[52:34] didn't, no I didn't.

[52:36] >> No, really --

[52:37] >> A mayor cannot decide on an

[52:40] event --

[52:41] >> So what you're saying is you

[52:42] should probably get another

[52:43] secretary because she is going

[52:45] about business without informing

[52:47] you have anything.

[52:48] >> We have procedures. And we

[52:50] carry on events, not every event

[52:53] comes to, not even half come to

[52:55] me.

[52:56] >> This one. Did

[52:57] >> It did. It came to Council.

[53:00] And we actually discussed it.

[53:01] Absolutely.

[53:02] >> Council disgusted in May? And

[53:04] which point it was supposed to

[53:05] be in a different location. I

[53:07] believe at one point somebody

[53:10] mentioned Pointe-Claire, or

[53:12] Valois village, and everyone

[53:14] said no.

[53:15] >> No, actually, it was just a

[53:16] recount, it was positively

[53:19] received. Just so you know, it

[53:20] was raised in Council, and

[53:23] positively received.

[53:24] >> Mayor, I must answer to that.

[53:26] It was not positively received

[53:27] in Council because it was not

[53:28] received in Council.

[53:29] >> It was received in Council,

[53:31] and suggestion was made in

[53:33] Council by councillors to have

[53:36] it invalid.

[53:37] >> Not Councillors who happen to

[53:39] be sitting here now? Anyone want

[53:41] to speak up and say you were

[53:42] aware it was going to be in

[53:46] Valois village?

[53:47] >> It really doesn't matter.

[53:50] What matters is that when there

[53:55] is something, an organization

[53:56] that occurs, it's the Mayor's

[53:58] responsible for it to run

[54:00] successfully. We're getting off

[54:01] the track. Personally, I don't

[54:03] recall Council ever making a

[54:05] decision to have the Putin

[54:09] festival take place at all. But

[54:12] again, maybe it doesn't matter.

[54:14] The decision obviously was made

[54:17] somehow, because it occurred but

[54:18] once it occurs it should run

[54:20] successfully. It did not run

[54:23] successfully, and ultimately the

[54:24] buck stops there.

[54:25] >> Yeah and I also would like to

[54:27] know because I do have a copy --

[54:30] >> Excuse me, Miss McKay, Miss

[54:32] MacKay, Miss Mackay, you have

[54:36] had about four or five. There

[54:37] won't be a follow-up

[54:40] >> Actually no, I --

[54:41] >> Miss McKay,

[54:43] >> I would like to know why --

[54:45] >> Miss MacKay, Miss Mackay, I'm

[54:47] gonna have to ask you

[54:49] >> They were sitting up on the

[54:50] 19th --

[54:51] >> I'm gonna ask you to stop,

[54:53] Miss Mackay.

[54:54] >> No. I would like -- I would

[54:56] like actual answers.

[54:57] >> You've had four followups.

[54:59] You've had answers. Let me at

[55:01] the same time remind

[55:04] councillors, one Eric Stork and

[55:08] Brent Cowan, and you have to

[55:09] address the mayor before you get

[55:11] to speak. Those are the rules of

[55:12] these meetings. Thank you Miss

[55:15] MacKay. Now, I would like Daniel

[55:17] Mont petite, please. Mr. Ma

[55:19] petite?

[55:20] >> Miss Mackay we are finished.

[55:21] >> I would like an answer to my

[55:23] -- question

[55:24] >> You've had. It

[55:25] >> In fact, my son, and one of

[55:26] my employees would also like an

[55:28] answer to that question. How do

[55:30] you personally plan on

[55:32] compensating as for the

[55:33] thousands of dollars we've lost?

[55:34] >> I can't answer you. It's not

[55:37] my poor decision.

[55:38] >> Your inability or ability? To

[55:42] provide information.

[55:43] >> Tony?

[55:44] >> Thank you.

[55:46] >> Can I get my T first?

[55:49] >> Thank you, Miss Mackay.

[55:51] Monsieur mom pretty?

[56:13] - Bonsoir, Monsieur le Maire.

[56:15] Bonsoir, conseiller,

[56:16] conseillère. Félicitations pour

[56:17] la job, Gilles! Faire...

[56:19] parfait, mon ami. Bien content.

[56:22] Ce soir, j'ai écrit un papier,

[56:23] c'est rare. D'habitude,

[56:24] (inaudible)

[56:25] ce, soir je serai plus

[56:26] Gentil. Il faut que je mette une

[56:27] paire de lunettes. Bon. Bonjour.

[56:34] Mon nom est Daniel Montpetit. Je

[56:36] fais du bénévolat régulièrement

[56:38] pour lasse ça

[56:39] (---)

[56:40] scions. Une organisation à but

[56:44] non lucratif venant en aide aux

[56:46] enfants handicapés de toutes

[56:47] sortes à Pointe-Claire, depuis

[56:49] environ 15 ans. En fin de

[56:52] semaine passée, l'association

[56:54] Wyatt a tenu un événement pour

[56:56] son 65e anniversaire dans le

[56:59] village. Au début de l'été, on a

[57:02] fait une demande à la Ville pour

[57:05] fermer l'avenue

[57:06] (---)

[57:07] entre Valois et Prince Édouard.

[57:09] La réponse fut un non

[57:10] catégorique. Non! Après avoir

[57:15] parlé à plusieurs personnes

[57:17] ainsi que Kelly fort Stone, qui

[57:19] n'est pas ici ce soir, qu'on

[57:23] remercie, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen

[57:24] plutôt pardon, ainsi que le

[57:25] maire, on le remercie, il aurait

[57:28] été avisés qu'il a consacré

[57:31] beaucoup d'efforts... de

[57:33] remercier. Je me suis perdu. Que

[57:37] nous remercions aussi. Il semble

[57:39] que ça ait été très compliqué

[57:42] d'obtenir l'autorisation.

[57:43] Pourquoi? À la journée du

[57:48] village, tenue le 26 ou pour le

[57:52] Festival blouse tenus au début

[57:54] de septembre dans l'autre

[57:56] village, la sécurité biblique à

[57:58] barré l'accès au village et ont

[58:00] installé toutes sortes de

[58:01] procédures pour obtenir la

[58:04] sécurité, donc des barricades en

[58:06] ciment, en bois, la sécurité

[58:08] publique pardon. Même dans le

[58:09] temps, on avait dit

[58:10] (---)

[58:11] on s'en sert pas du tout

[58:12] aujourd'hui, je sais pas

[58:13] pourquoi on a acheté, ça ça vaut

[58:14] des milliers de dollars! Ils

[58:16] sont stationnés dans des boîtes

[58:17] de bois, on s'en sert pas. Pour

[58:20] l'événement, rien. La sécurité

[58:22] des citoyens du village de

[58:24] Pointe-Claire va-t-elle plus que

[58:25] celle de Valois? À

[58:28] Pointe-Claire, les citoyens

[58:30] sont-ils plus protégés que ceux

[58:32] de Valois? Il a-t-il une raison

[58:33] pourquoi vous le faites dans le

[58:35] village de Pointe-Claire et non

[58:36] à Valois? Une chance qu'on a eu

[58:43] la chance d'avoir

[58:45] (---)

[58:46] pour venir barrer et pour, nous

[58:48] nous donner un coup de main pour

[58:50] assurer la sécurité. Merci à eux

[58:52] aussi. Pourquoi on accepte les

[58:54] Fêtes et on ferme les rues dans

[58:56] le village de Pointe-Claire et

[59:00] non la veille pour... pour le

[59:03] village de Valois. Un virage a

[59:08] de l'importance et l'autre n'en

[59:09] a pas? Qui prend la décision de

[59:12] barrer les rues ou pas et

[59:14] décider si on peut avoir un

[59:15] événement? Ça vient de la

[59:16] décision de qui, ça? C'est les

[59:18] réponses qu'on veut avoir, s'il

[59:19] vous plaît.

[59:21] - Bonne question, monsieur

[59:22] Montpetit. Vous montrer que le

[59:26] problème... le même problème que

[59:28] madame. On est... la décision,

[59:32] le processus pour décider des

[59:34] événements, si on va se...

[59:36] fermer la rue, les barrières,

[59:37] tout ça, ce n'est pas le conseil

[59:39] qui décide ça.

[59:40] - C'est qui?

[59:41] - Bien, c'est un département

[59:43] responsable. Il y a des gens qui

[59:46] sont responsables pour les

[59:47] événements...

[59:48] - Est-ce que c'est un secret

[59:49] (inaudible)

[59:50] ?

[59:51] - Madame, qui était responsable

[59:52] pour les événements qui décide

[59:56] la plupart des décisions...

[59:57] - Pour barrer les rues?

[59:59] - Oui!

[1:00:00] - Pour barrer les, Russes et pas

[1:00:01] une décision seulement de la

[1:00:02] ville. Il faut une autorisation

[1:00:03] des services d'incendie,

[1:00:04] services policiers, services

[1:00:05] ambulanciers, la STM. C'est un

[1:00:07] peu plus compliqué que juste

[1:00:09] décidé de barrer une rue plutôt.

[1:00:11] À la fin, c'est le département

[1:00:14] de l'inspection et sécurité

[1:00:15] publique qui va, à la fin,

[1:00:16] accepter ou non.

[1:00:17] - Ce que je ne comprends pas,

[1:00:20] vous allez... on va se coucher

[1:00:21] tard ce soir.

[1:00:22] - On se couchera tard, monsieur

[1:00:23] pont petit! Pas de problème avec

[1:00:25] ça.

[1:00:26] - Vous pouvez faire ça pour le

[1:00:27] village de Pointe-Claire dans le

[1:00:28] village

[1:00:29] (inaudible)

[1:00:30] et quand ça concerne Valois,

[1:00:32] c'est quoi le problème?

[1:00:34] - Ça dépend, comme je vous dis,

[1:00:35] toujours des autorisations qu'on

[1:00:36] est capable d'avoir. Je sais que

[1:00:37] dans le village Valois, on a des

[1:00:39] fois de la difficulté avec la

[1:00:40] STM au niveau du... mais je vous

[1:00:42] dis la vérité, monsieur

[1:00:43] Montpetit! Vous n'aimait pas ma

[1:00:45] réponse, vous avez le droit.

[1:00:46] - Vous jouer du violon! J'ai

[1:00:48] travaillé 33 ans pour la Ville

[1:00:49] de Pointe-Claire. On creuse des

[1:00:51] tranchées, on fait dévier le

[1:00:53] trafic comme on veut, comme...

[1:00:54] quand on veut, avec la sécurité

[1:00:56] publique, tout ça. Et un party

[1:00:57] qu'on organise des mois et des

[1:00:58] mois d'avance, c'est compliqué.

[1:01:01] Wow! Je vous dis une affaire...,

[1:01:04] moi ma femme, elle a une petite

[1:01:06] fille handicapée, c'est ma

[1:01:07] petite-fille avoir... à moi. Et

[1:01:08] je vous dis, vraiment, vous avez

[1:01:09] fait très dur parce que, moi

[1:01:12] j'ai dit... comment? Ça j'ai

[1:01:15] dit, je ne me gêne pas, que

[1:01:17] c'est des imbéciles de pas faire

[1:01:19] la même chose que dans le

[1:01:20] village de Pointe-Claire. C'est

[1:01:21] un inconcevable que vous fassiez

[1:01:23] ça pour un festival, pour, c'est

[1:01:25] pour ça, pour les marchands,

[1:01:26] tout, et pourtant, le village de

[1:01:28] Valois, on n'est pas des

[1:01:29] imbéciles! Je reste là,

[1:01:30] maintenant. Mais il faut se

[1:01:31] battre pour avoir quelque chose,

[1:01:34] fermer une rue pour 4 heures.

[1:01:37] Pas une soirée et une journée

[1:01:38] complète. 4 heures, et on se

[1:01:39] fait dire ça. C'est vraiment

[1:01:41] aberrant, je trouve. Surtout

[1:01:43] pour une association qui

[1:01:44] travaille et qui aident nos

[1:01:45] enfants de toutes sortes de

[1:01:47] handicaps, que ce soit qu'est-ce

[1:01:49] qu'on voudra, et vous nous

[1:01:50] mettez des bâtons dans les

[1:01:52] roues. C'est ça que c'est. Je ne

[1:01:54] comprends pas du tout. Pas

[1:01:56] pantoute, pas du tout. C'est

[1:01:58] vraiment mal fait, votre

[1:01:59] affaire. Je vous remercie.

[1:02:08] - En défense, monsieur

[1:02:10] Montpetit...

[1:02:11] - Il y en a, pas de défense!

[1:02:12] - C'est vrai, je comprends.

[1:02:13] (inaudible)

[1:02:18] - D'accord. Geneviève Lussier?

[1:02:27] - Félicitations, Monsieur

[1:02:28] Girouard.

[1:02:30] >> I was wanting to get a quick

[1:02:31] clarification. I have two very

[1:02:32] good questions. I was hoping to

[1:02:33] get a quick clarification on the

[1:02:35] new planning consultation. Is it

[1:02:37] also about green spaces? It

[1:02:39] talks about resilience or is

[1:02:40] that going to be separate --

[1:02:42] >> Good question.

[1:02:48] >> It's about the green spaces,

[1:02:50] it will be part of that public

[1:02:51] consultation.

[1:02:52] >> Okay. I think maybe that

[1:02:53] could be a little bit more

[1:02:55] explicit in the -- maybe that's

[1:02:56] on purpose. But anyway. Okay, my

[1:02:59] first question is about the

[1:03:01] public consultations. I'm

[1:03:04] curious as to how much weight

[1:03:06] the consultations have. Citizens

[1:03:10] input, how much weight that has

[1:03:11] in the final outcome of the

[1:03:12] urban planning.

[1:03:15] >> Hopefully a lot. That is the

[1:03:19] reason we are doing. It for the

[1:03:21] citizens to have input. It is my

[1:03:23] sincere hope that we will take

[1:03:25] that input and use it as a

[1:03:27] fundamental guide to what the

[1:03:28] outcome will be. That is my

[1:03:32] utmost desire of that process.

[1:03:33] >> I feel like that criteria

[1:03:35] should be already defined.

[1:03:37] >> Okay. Is it defined? Defined,

[1:03:39] Miss Verdun?

[1:03:43] >> That's what I'm wondering.

[1:03:44] >> At the, end it's the city

[1:03:46] council's decision about urban

[1:03:47] planning.

[1:03:49] >> But is it defined that how

[1:03:51] the results will be interpreted,

[1:03:53] how the results of citizen

[1:03:55] consultation will be interpreted

[1:03:56] and what power they have? And we

[1:03:58] have that already -- do we have

[1:04:00] that decided?

[1:04:01] >> All the resorts are present

[1:04:03] -- present to the City Council

[1:04:04] each time we met with the urban

[1:04:06] plan. After that, you know, the

[1:04:07] citizen will have to input in

[1:04:11] the real public consultation

[1:04:14] bylaw during the adoption of

[1:04:15] urban planning.

[1:04:40] (---)

[1:04:41] un poids sera mis... d'accord,

[1:04:42] parfait, merci. My next question

[1:04:46] is about the REM and the City.

[1:04:48] PQ another Pointe-Claire station

[1:04:49] right now does not have any

[1:04:50] parking plant. That has been

[1:04:53] discussed as being an issue. I

[1:04:55] don't know if it is being

[1:04:57] discussed behind closed door.

[1:04:58] The CDPQ is also very

[1:05:00] tightlipped about what they are

[1:05:01] doing. But given the fact that

[1:05:03] there are two freezes on the

[1:05:04] forest right now, and the

[1:05:06] potential that there is

[1:05:07] discussion about parking lots,

[1:05:09] and let's hope that we are not

[1:05:10] going to become a Johnny

[1:05:13] Mitchell song here, but given

[1:05:14] that there is two freezes on the

[1:05:17] forest, and given that they are

[1:05:19] potentially needs parking for

[1:05:21] the station, we would be

[1:05:22] possible for citizens and the

[1:05:23] city to work together and speak

[1:05:28] to the CDPQ or have a united

[1:05:30] voice about making sure we don't

[1:05:32] put parking, pay one of the last

[1:05:34] green spaces in that area,

[1:05:35] actually the only last green

[1:05:37] space in that area, and keep the

[1:05:39] parking lot on something that is

[1:05:40] already paved. If there is a way

[1:05:42] to unite our voices for that,

[1:05:43] that would be amazing. It's hard

[1:05:45] to get information out of the

[1:05:47] CDPQ, but if there is

[1:05:49] discussions happening right, now

[1:05:50] maybe we should be part of those

[1:05:51] discussions, or at least have a

[1:05:52] voice as the city of

[1:05:54] Pointe-Claire saying there is a

[1:05:55] freeze, it's a CMM freeze, we

[1:05:58] don't think the parking lot

[1:05:59] should go there.

[1:06:01] >> It's an excellent suggestion.

[1:06:02] There has been some discussion,

[1:06:03] you are right. They have been

[1:06:07] secretive. All the REM process

[1:06:10] it is an interesting process to

[1:06:13] try to get a hold of information

[1:06:14] of. Ultimately, REM, and they do

[1:06:15] have the ultimate decision,

[1:06:17] regardless of anything. But yes,

[1:06:20] there wouldn't be any harm in

[1:06:24] renewing discussion with the

[1:06:25] City cute. Est-ce qu'on peut

[1:06:28] arranger une réunion, pour

[1:06:31] suggérer cela? On peut en faire

[1:06:34] Une. C'est une très bonne idée.

[1:06:37] Certainly.

[1:06:38] >> What would happen with the

[1:06:39] REM de last? La voix des

[1:06:42] résidents, c'est important, et

[1:06:45] ça a affecté la finalité du

[1:06:47] projet. I feel like if the City

[1:06:51] wants to have an impact we can

[1:06:52] have that impact. But we need to

[1:06:53] do at United. Anyway. I think

[1:06:57] there is a lot of residents that

[1:07:00] would help you have that -- if

[1:07:01] you wanted it.

[1:07:02] >> Thank you for. That and it is

[1:07:04] a concern. It is a concern,

[1:07:06] because there is inadequate

[1:07:08] parking. We sure don't want that

[1:07:09] parking. It would be preferable

[1:07:12] for it not to go where we think

[1:07:14] --

[1:07:15] >> Yeah. There is like a sea of

[1:07:17] asphalt everywhere, but we will

[1:07:18] pave the last green space. That

[1:07:20] makes absolutely no sense.

[1:07:21] >> It doesn't to me.

[1:07:23] >> The environmental project. It

[1:07:25] makes no sense.

[1:07:26] >> I agree with you.

[1:07:27] >> Okay, thanks.

[1:07:30] >> No, no, you have to go to the

[1:07:31] microphone.

[1:07:33] [Inaudible]

[1:07:36] Well --

[1:07:40] >> I don't care.

[1:07:41] >> CDPQ, cares -- Caisses de

[1:07:43] dépôt et de placement du Québec.

[1:07:46] >> Okay.

[1:07:47] [Inaudible]

[1:07:54] Joan dire?

[1:08:08] >> Back again this month because

[1:08:10] last month to my vehement

[1:08:13] objections you unanimously voted

[1:08:16] to approve highly disruptive

[1:08:18] plants to 220 lakeshore road. It

[1:08:22] was built by -- in 1994. These

[1:08:30] plans will hugely increase the

[1:08:31] volume of the original house and

[1:08:34] it's lot coverage, and will

[1:08:36] alter the streetscape of the one

[1:08:38] remaining block east of the

[1:08:39] village that's been undisturbed

[1:08:41] for 100 years. I think that's

[1:08:42] important. This one block

[1:08:43] between Karen E and bowling

[1:08:45] green where the houses -- there

[1:08:51] is a rhythm to this particular

[1:08:55] block, you don't get anywhere

[1:08:57] else because they've both been

[1:08:58] disturbed. There are old houses

[1:09:00] and newer houses. There are

[1:09:03] mongrel blocks. But this block

[1:09:05] is an authentic, undisturbed

[1:09:06] block. This whole business is

[1:09:10] going to infringe on my privacy

[1:09:11] and my piece. I was, to put it

[1:09:15] mildly, taken aback last month

[1:09:18] when Councillor Cowan accepted

[1:09:20] the project for 220 Lakeshore up

[1:09:22] for approval that night was a

[1:09:24] better plan than the original

[1:09:25] one presented in March 2021. But

[1:09:28] I had no idea that such a plan

[1:09:30] had come up for consideration

[1:09:32] two and a half years ago. I had

[1:09:34] no idea that there was such a

[1:09:35] plan for discussion, because

[1:09:37] since that plan was wholly

[1:09:39] complied with by the zoning

[1:09:40] bylaw, no minor exemptions were

[1:09:42] being sought at that time, and

[1:09:44] therefore I had not been

[1:09:46] officially notified back in

[1:09:47] 2021. So I went home and called

[1:09:50] up the minutes and video of the

[1:09:52] March 21, 2021 meeting to

[1:09:54] discover that is supposedly

[1:09:58] inferior 2021 plan, as accepted

[1:10:00] by Councillor Cowan, had in fact

[1:10:02] been approved with conditions

[1:10:04] and suggestions by a split

[1:10:05] decision. Thanks to the casting

[1:10:07] vote of Mayor Belvedere. And

[1:10:10] that vote was actually a

[1:10:12] pantomime. There was no

[1:10:14] discussion. The resolution to

[1:10:16] approve this was moved by

[1:10:18] Councillor Bissonnette and

[1:10:19] seconded by Councillor Stork.

[1:10:20] And then the votes were split

[1:10:24] with for voting for and four

[1:10:26] against. -- he couldn't second

[1:10:28] the motion. He was replaced by

[1:10:31] Councillor Thorstad-Cullen.

[1:10:33] Belvedere was already moving on

[1:10:34] to the next item on the agenda

[1:10:35] when he woke up to the fact that

[1:10:36] it was a split decision,

[1:10:39] whereupon he then had to move

[1:10:40] back, cast as vote, and the

[1:10:41] motion was duly approved. The

[1:10:44] question is this. This plan was

[1:10:51] approved two and a half years

[1:10:52] ago. Why are we talking about a

[1:10:53] new plan now? So why are we here

[1:10:56] are two and a half years later

[1:10:58] considering a unanimously

[1:10:59] approving this time a different

[1:11:00] and much more disruptive plan

[1:11:05] that requires minor exemptions?

[1:11:07] The dissenting Councillors who

[1:11:08] voted against what was being

[1:11:09] proposed in 2021 where

[1:11:13] councillors Stainforth, Stork,

[1:11:14] coward, and casino. Can I ask

[1:11:17] them to please explain how in

[1:11:20] their view a project that --

[1:11:24] coach and horses through the

[1:11:26] bylaw, no longer conforms to the

[1:11:28] zoning bylaw, and now requires

[1:11:30] minor exemptions is better than

[1:11:31] in earlier one with no

[1:11:33] exemptions and conforms to the

[1:11:34] bylaw? To my mind, this doesn't

[1:11:40] say much for your opinion of the

[1:11:41] validity of the zoning and state

[1:11:43] bylaws which underpinned urban

[1:11:45] planning in the city. I would be

[1:11:48] interested to hear from the

[1:11:50] dissenting councillors why

[1:11:51] they've changed their minds, and

[1:11:54] why this plan was presented last

[1:11:56] month is better than the one

[1:11:58] from two and a half years ago?

[1:12:02] >> Absolutely.

[1:12:05] >> When this first came up two

[1:12:06] and a half years ago, I brought

[1:12:08] it to the attention of the --

[1:12:12] which you are on the executive.

[1:12:15] That association did not come to

[1:12:18] our aid, the dissenting

[1:12:19] councillors. And we lost that

[1:12:23] vote. I am not going to -- I

[1:12:28] don't remember the details of

[1:12:31] that comparison today, but I'm

[1:12:33] prepared, if you want, if you

[1:12:34] address me later, I will go back

[1:12:36] and pull out the file and study

[1:12:37] it. I will explain the vote.

[1:12:40] >> But I, mean you asserted last

[1:12:42] month that that was better.

[1:12:43] >> That was last month. A lot

[1:12:45] has happened since last month. I

[1:12:46] have to go back and look and see

[1:12:47] what I was talking about. I

[1:12:49] don't remember, you studied it.

[1:12:50] >> Right. Does anybody else --

[1:12:54] can anybody else tell me why

[1:12:56] they changed their vote, why

[1:12:57] they are voting for this time

[1:12:58] and then vote for a two and a

[1:12:59] half years ago?

[1:13:00] >> Exactly the same reason as

[1:13:02] Councillor Cowan. Upon review of

[1:13:03] this project, this --

[1:13:05] >> A much better fit? You have

[1:13:08] to be joking. Right, okay. At

[1:13:13] last month's meeting, Mr. Cowan

[1:13:15] also volunteer the information

[1:13:16] that the opinion of the Heritage

[1:13:21] Association was sought in vain

[1:13:22] back in March 2021. There they

[1:13:27] go again tonight. And indeed,

[1:13:29] the opinion of the society was

[1:13:32] sought simply for the form of

[1:13:33] it, very much as an

[1:13:35] afterthought, without adequate

[1:13:37] time to respond, especially in

[1:13:39] the circumstances at the time,

[1:13:40] which was COVID lockdown and a

[1:13:41] curfew. Reconstructing the

[1:13:46] timeline from the minutes, the

[1:13:48] plans for 220 were out for

[1:13:50] consideration at the February

[1:13:51] the 8th meeting of the pact, and

[1:13:53] in most unusual, very odd, a

[1:13:56] subsequent special meeting of

[1:13:58] the pack system on 220 lakeshore

[1:14:02] was convened for March the 4th.

[1:14:04] The following weeks, council

[1:14:07] meeting March the 9th. When was

[1:14:08] the society approached for its

[1:14:10] input? An email was sent from

[1:14:11] the City to the society at 1:00,

[1:14:15] one PM on Tuesday, March the

[1:14:20] 3rd, asking for its opinion with

[1:14:22] the deadline of the following

[1:14:23] Monday for its response. The

[1:14:25] pact was due to hold its special

[1:14:26] meeting the next day. The S S B

[1:14:30] C C could not have any input in

[1:14:32] the pack recommendation to

[1:14:33] Council. Any opinion produced by

[1:14:35] it, by the Monday deadline,

[1:14:36] would only be circulated to

[1:14:38] councillors at the last minute,

[1:14:40] ahead of the four PM Tuesday

[1:14:42] council meeting. This was in

[1:14:43] full COVID lockdown when curfew

[1:14:45] was in place and meetings were

[1:14:46] being held virtually at four PM

[1:14:49] with just the Mayor, the

[1:14:51] director general, and the clerk

[1:14:53] in the room, here, and the

[1:14:55] councillors all on Zoom. Clearly

[1:15:00] involving the society at that

[1:15:01] stage was a complete

[1:15:03] afterthought, simply for the

[1:15:04] form of the thing. The plans had

[1:15:07] been submitted to the city at

[1:15:10] the end of January, for a

[1:15:11] February meeting. This is Heidi

[1:15:15] was only approached in March

[1:15:16] with less than a week to

[1:15:19] respond. As it happens, the

[1:15:25] society was between boards at

[1:15:26] the time, because it had not yet

[1:15:28] met since the ATM to conserve

[1:15:31] the new executive. Whenever it

[1:15:34] was that the incoming president

[1:15:35] actually access the city's

[1:15:36] email, it was sent at lunchtime

[1:15:39] on the Tuesday, but we all have,

[1:15:42] lives we have lives, goodness

[1:15:44] knows when they actually saw the

[1:15:46] email. He decided to take no

[1:15:49] action in such short notice,

[1:15:51] since it could have no influence

[1:15:52] on the result. Adding insult to

[1:15:55] injury, the society's opinion

[1:16:01] had recently been sought in the

[1:16:03] case of 198 Lakeshore and 61

[1:16:05] King, and considerable time and

[1:16:06] effort have been invested in

[1:16:08] producing solid -- to know

[1:16:11] avail. You might as well not

[1:16:12] bother. The developer got his

[1:16:16] way and the demolition permit

[1:16:17] both times. This raises the

[1:16:22] question of the city's

[1:16:23] relationship with the heritage

[1:16:24] association. The S S PPC is a

[1:16:29] volunteer organization. The

[1:16:31] numbers have lives and jobs and

[1:16:33] jump to it when this 80 calls

[1:16:34] calling in short notice. Except

[1:16:37] in this particular instance I

[1:16:39] believe it always has done so

[1:16:41] free, gravitas, and for nothing.

[1:16:44] Such's its commitment to

[1:16:46] preserving Pointe-Claire's ever

[1:16:47] dwindling heritage. The City

[1:16:49] clearly feels entitles -- when

[1:16:52] it deems appropriate, offers no

[1:16:55] support to the heritage

[1:16:56] association. This raises a

[1:17:01] thorny question of the city's

[1:17:02] attitude and commitment to

[1:17:03] heritage and its relationship

[1:17:05] with the association.

[1:17:08] >> Mrs. drier.

[1:17:10] >> Why does the city not have a

[1:17:12] heritage employee? And given the

[1:17:16] extent of the heritage employer

[1:17:18] in Pointe-Claire, you think

[1:17:19] there would be an employee on

[1:17:20] staff, or also tentatively an

[1:17:23] open contract with the heritage

[1:17:26] organization to seek its input

[1:17:27] when necessary. That would cost

[1:17:29] money. The -- is expected to

[1:17:37] fill this role at will and for

[1:17:38] free which it does in good faith

[1:17:40] out of concern for the public

[1:17:41] good, but there is no quid pro

[1:17:43] quo, Council -- any assistance

[1:17:46] or make promises available that

[1:17:48] would allow the SSPCC to

[1:17:50] function more efficiently and

[1:17:51] effectively. The question is,

[1:17:56] since the association is

[1:17:58] expected to partner with the

[1:17:59] City and cooperate with it at

[1:18:00] will, as you can, see Mr. Cowan

[1:18:03] expects that, when will the city

[1:18:04] return the favour and start

[1:18:07] cooperating with the heritage

[1:18:09] association and treat it as a

[1:18:11] valued partner instead of an

[1:18:12] enemy? Particularly in the

[1:18:16] matter of the agreement over the

[1:18:17] mill. That is my question. And

[1:18:21] follow-up.

[1:18:22] >> That's one heck of a

[1:18:23] question. I concur with much of

[1:18:25] what you've said.

[1:18:27] >> All of it, surely.

[1:18:32] >> I have to go back and review

[1:18:33] the question. What I concur

[1:18:35] with, I have to be very careful

[1:18:36] with what I concur with.

[1:18:39] However, your sentiments

[1:18:40] resonate powerfully with me. One

[1:18:43] of my goals as mayor is to have

[1:18:47] heritage play a greater role in

[1:18:49] our decision-making process,

[1:18:51] especially are packed committees

[1:18:52] and our urban planning. I'm a

[1:18:56] firm believer in it. I would

[1:18:58] love to have a greater. Roll and

[1:18:59] I do sense not a happy

[1:19:04] relationship between the

[1:19:06] administration and

[1:19:07] Pointe-Claire's heritage

[1:19:08] society. I recall -- I've known

[1:19:11] a few of the presidents over the

[1:19:13] years. Claude Arseneault being

[1:19:15] the most flamboyant. He used to

[1:19:17] always put a booth out on Canada

[1:19:20] Day and promote the society at

[1:19:22] candidate day. I remember one

[1:19:24] year in the last administration

[1:19:25] he was not allowed to do, so

[1:19:26] which was an unfortunate turn of

[1:19:27] events. About -- the city and

[1:19:33] the heritage society. I really

[1:19:34] would love to repair it. I would

[1:19:37] love to, and I agree with what

[1:19:38] you are saying.

[1:19:39] >> We need some premises, first

[1:19:41] and foremost, so that we can get

[1:19:42] all the files out of storage and

[1:19:44] set up shop.

[1:19:45] >> You need a place to locate

[1:19:48] your office. There are a lot of

[1:19:49] groups, unfortunately, in the

[1:19:51] same situation. Therein lies the

[1:19:53] problem. Our amount of office

[1:19:55] space vis-à-vis all the groups

[1:19:56] that won it, and we were talking

[1:19:58] about that in fact tonight. But

[1:19:59] yes, heritage is certainly

[1:20:02] prominence in that list of

[1:20:04] organizations that need places

[1:20:05] to set up. I think in a lot of

[1:20:07] cities they have their own

[1:20:09] offices, even in City Hall. It

[1:20:11] is surprising to me that it

[1:20:13] plays such a small role in the

[1:20:16] administration in Pointe-Claire.

[1:20:17] I love heritage to have a much

[1:20:19] more prominent role.

[1:20:20] >> Obviously, the problem lies

[1:20:22] in the fact that the heritage

[1:20:24] association is always speaking

[1:20:25] truth to power, the power

[1:20:27] residing with the City. The City

[1:20:29] having very little care for its

[1:20:30] heritage. In particular the mill

[1:20:34] and the pioneer, et cetera, et

[1:20:35] cetera, et cetera. All these

[1:20:40] houses that have been allowed to

[1:20:41] be demolished. Now this one is

[1:20:42] going to be changed out of all

[1:20:44] recognition. We can't help but

[1:20:50] advocate and point this out. And

[1:20:53] has not been welcomed. It is as

[1:20:57] simple as that.

[1:20:58] >> Thank you, Miss wire.

[1:21:01] >> Are we going to see some

[1:21:02] progress?

[1:21:03] >> I hope so. I certainly want

[1:21:06] some.

[1:21:07] >> The question is, as my mother

[1:21:10] would've, said live -- that was

[1:21:11] a Scottish expression.

[1:21:12] >> Thank you. Ron Rosen? Miss

[1:21:17] Madame Thibault... Thibault, how

[1:21:19] much time is left?

[1:21:20] >> 19 minutes left.

[1:21:21] >> 19? Okay. We should make it

[1:21:23] through the list. Just to point

[1:21:26] out to the gentleman earlier

[1:21:28] that we will actually allow

[1:21:29] everyone to speak.

[1:21:30] >> This is strictly a water tax

[1:21:31] issue.

[1:21:32] >> Okay, okay.

[1:21:33] >> Something I'd like to get

[1:21:34] some help on. Very simple, I

[1:21:36] promise you two minutes, that's

[1:21:37] it. I've been in Pointe-Claire

[1:21:39] since 1991. I've had water tax

[1:21:41] bills of about 200 bucks a

[1:21:42] month. The last couple of years

[1:21:44] before have been in the 300

[1:21:46] dollar range. This year, $800.

[1:21:51] Yeah. I quickly called the City

[1:21:53] thinking something must be wrong

[1:21:54] with a metre, because we are

[1:21:55] less people in the house, we

[1:21:56] don't have a pool, we don't have

[1:21:57] a hot, that we don't have

[1:21:58] anything leaking, there is no

[1:21:59] flooding around. I asked what

[1:22:01] to, do they were very quick to,

[1:22:04] response when we had to check

[1:22:05] the water metre, out to do so --

[1:22:06] serious calisthenics to take

[1:22:07] pictures of the water metre

[1:22:08] which is buried in the laundry

[1:22:09] room. Sadly for me, the water

[1:22:12] metre is working perfectly. So

[1:22:15] we went scrambling around, my

[1:22:17] wife and, I try to find where is

[1:22:18] the lead. We see no water

[1:22:19] anywhere. Nothing is around.

[1:22:22] Finally we go and into the

[1:22:23] unfinished part of the basement,

[1:22:24] which we rarely go to at all.

[1:22:27] And we found this little

[1:22:28] trickling sound. We heard it. My

[1:22:30] wife, smarter than me for sure,

[1:22:31] says turn off the toilet

[1:22:33] upstairs. That was it.

[1:22:35] Ironically, our low water

[1:22:38] toilet, which we've got to save

[1:22:39] water, and it up costing me like

[1:22:40] 800 bucks here.

[1:22:43] >> The previous, bill the total

[1:22:45] was 800. The previous bill was,

[1:22:47] two or three? So it's $500.

[1:22:51] >> $500, fantastic, which is now

[1:22:53] my lot, I have a picture of, it

[1:22:54] it's been taken out and removed

[1:22:55] quickly. The city told me it's

[1:22:57] not really much we can do about.

[1:22:58] It it is water that is used,

[1:22:59] even though it wasn't used

[1:23:01] through personal use or anything

[1:23:02] like, that they suggest I speak

[1:23:03] to my Councillor person, Mr.

[1:23:05] Cowan suggested I come here and

[1:23:06] plead my case. Obviously the

[1:23:09] water is used, it's run through.

[1:23:10] I'm hoping the City can do

[1:23:11] something about the bill.

[1:23:12] >> What is the address?

[1:23:15] >> 295 St. Louis. I pay the

[1:23:16] first part of it, which is

[1:23:18] already 100 more than I would

[1:23:19] usually pain a year. I hope

[1:23:23] hoping to get something reduced,

[1:23:24] I don't know if it's possible or

[1:23:25] not. From what I understand for

[1:23:27] Mr. Cowan, the waters from the

[1:23:28] City of Montréal, they strictly

[1:23:30] belief or usage, and you build

[1:23:31] back the citizens. I have

[1:23:35] another suggestion on something

[1:23:36] else.

[1:23:37] >> I will just turn it over to

[1:23:38] Miss Verdun. Do you have

[1:23:41] anything to add to this

[1:23:43] gentleman's dilemma as far as

[1:23:44] procedurally what we can do

[1:23:45] about it -- his toilet lead?

[1:23:48] What is our standard operating

[1:23:50] procedure on something like

[1:23:51] this?

[1:23:52] >> It's impossible for us to

[1:23:53] know anything was going on with

[1:23:54] this, obviously.

[1:23:56] >> We already spoke with in

[1:23:58] caucus all that issue. For the

[1:24:01] size of the -- all citizens have

[1:24:06] to pay for the water they

[1:24:08] consume. We will have to have

[1:24:09] that discussion again with the

[1:24:10] caucus.

[1:24:13] >> Isn't there standard

[1:24:14] operating procedures?

[1:24:17] >> All the citizens pay for --

[1:24:21] unfortunately for you -- for the

[1:24:22] water that they consume. We have

[1:24:25] a presentation in two weeks

[1:24:26] regarding that.

[1:24:27] >> Because I don't think that's

[1:24:29] ultimately a caucus decision on

[1:24:30] how to deal with -- how we

[1:24:32] normally deal with the water

[1:24:33] from toilets. I would assume

[1:24:37] that the professionals who deal

[1:24:40] with water taxes are the ones

[1:24:42] who survey and decide on the

[1:24:43] amounts and who pays. The water

[1:24:47] taxes.

[1:24:48] >> It's on water consumption.

[1:24:50] You all have metres in your

[1:24:53] basement. In the basement, with

[1:24:55] the metres. All citizen have to

[1:24:57] pay for the consumption of the

[1:24:59] water that they use. Each year,

[1:25:02] we bring up before that time all

[1:25:05] the water consumption in the

[1:25:08] city. The administration cannot

[1:25:12] do any credit on citizens. It's

[1:25:14] not something that we can do.

[1:25:16] >> Mr. Cousineau? You want to

[1:25:17] speak?

[1:25:18] >> Right off the top of my head,

[1:25:20] I know that you can finance it

[1:25:24] without interest. It doesn't

[1:25:25] help you right now.

[1:25:27] >> It's not an issue of paying

[1:25:28] the bill. It's just a question

[1:25:30] of logic over here, we are

[1:25:33] obviously was not water that was

[1:25:34] used for any purpose. I did not

[1:25:35] take a six month shower.

[1:25:40] [Inaudible]

[1:25:45] The lady is telling me to pay

[1:25:46] the bill. Can you take some of

[1:25:49] that money for the second part

[1:25:50] of the bill?

[1:25:52] >> Your subsequent question?

[1:25:55] >> I can see that's not going to

[1:25:56] get anywhere right now. There is

[1:25:59] a cross walk at back Park on Del

[1:26:00] Mar Street. And that is in bad

[1:26:04] need of some lights on St.

[1:26:05] Louis. You put up a light system

[1:26:07] where anybody can push a button.

[1:26:08] There is flashing lights, really

[1:26:10] alerts the cars as to what is

[1:26:12] going on. It's a fairly dark

[1:26:14] area across that park,

[1:26:15] especially at night. It is super

[1:26:17] dangerous. I've gone so many

[1:26:19] times walking with my dog,

[1:26:20] daily, multiple times a day.

[1:26:22] People don't stop. It's not like

[1:26:24] Toronto. Toronto, you step off

[1:26:26] the sidewalk and people actually

[1:26:27] stop at crosswalks. Here, no. I

[1:26:29] would say eight out of ten just

[1:26:30] keep going right through. So if

[1:26:33] something could be done with,

[1:26:34] that that same system could be

[1:26:35] added, there that would be

[1:26:36] great. Cars were definitely

[1:26:37] noticed, you it would be a lot

[1:26:38] safer.

[1:26:39] >> Thank you. I appreciate that.

[1:26:40] >> All right.

[1:26:44] >> Mr. L daddy?

[1:26:54] >> Good evening. --

[1:27:00] >> I can't hear you.

[1:27:03] >> I have to put in my mouth.

[1:27:05] >> Stay closer, yes.

[1:27:08] >> Okay. I'm talking about a

[1:27:09] traffic jam which is every day

[1:27:13] going on there. It was on the

[1:27:16] condo and the increasing

[1:27:18] population. And you have any

[1:27:20] plan to try to save this trouble

[1:27:24] for us? Because I have

[1:27:26] experience to try to get the

[1:27:29] transportation to go -- I'm

[1:27:31] talking about Saint-Jean from

[1:27:33] north to south, south the north.

[1:27:36] I try to get transportation from

[1:27:39] Saint-Jean and Hymus to go all

[1:27:40] the way to Pierrefonds, where

[1:27:42] there is a profit go. The bus I

[1:27:48] take one hour and ten minute to

[1:27:50] go around the city before we go

[1:27:52] to Pierrefonds. And if I walk

[1:27:56] it's going to take me about one

[1:27:57] hour. If I take a bike and I did

[1:28:01] all that to come here to tell

[1:28:04] you exactly, if I take a bike, I

[1:28:05] take the bike already, and I

[1:28:07] walk, it took me one hour. I

[1:28:09] took the bike. It takes me about

[1:28:12] maximum between 20 to 25

[1:28:15] minutes. Even if I stop in every

[1:28:18] corner, every stop sign, and

[1:28:21] every traffic, taking about 20,

[1:28:24] 25 minutes. So what the City

[1:28:28] Plante --

[1:28:29] >> Excuse me. Gentlemen, in the

[1:28:30] back, thank you. Go ahead, sir.

[1:28:34] >> Why you don't try to do like

[1:28:38] -- for the bike. I have to write

[1:28:41] the bike from the sidewalk, it

[1:28:43] is very dangerous to drive it in

[1:28:44] Saint-Jean. If you are already

[1:28:48] there, you slow the traffic and

[1:28:50] it's not really helpful for

[1:28:51] everybody. Does the city have

[1:28:54] any plan to help -- the lady was

[1:28:56] talking about the environment.

[1:28:58] To help people and encourage

[1:29:00] people to go with a bike from

[1:29:01] north to south or south to

[1:29:03] north? The sidewalk, you can't

[1:29:06] write it, or the middle you can

[1:29:09] have a bike, the middle line

[1:29:10] between the two roads, you can

[1:29:12] add the bike. Do you have any

[1:29:16] plans for the?

[1:29:17] >> There is a plant. There is a

[1:29:22] planned bicycle pedestrian

[1:29:24] overpass to get over the 40.

[1:29:25] There is one in the works

[1:29:27] potentially, but we will see.

[1:29:28] >> But when is that here?

[1:29:30] >> Pardon me?

[1:29:31] >> When is it going to be?

[1:29:32] >> Soon. I think in a year.

[1:29:34] 2026, Councillor, just

[1:29:39] confirmed. Not far, it is still

[1:29:42] 2026. There is one in the works.

[1:29:44] But there should be more. I

[1:29:46] agree with you. North-south, I

[1:29:48] think I would love to extend the

[1:29:52] corridor. They built the REM to,

[1:29:53] low so it makes it really hard

[1:29:54] to build an overpass there,

[1:29:58] which would've been great.

[1:29:59] Instead, we have to rely on a

[1:30:01] tunnel if we want to extend the

[1:30:02] corridor, which would've been

[1:30:04] the natural one. Yes, you're

[1:30:07] right. It is a real problem,

[1:30:12] public transit crisis in

[1:30:14] Pointe-Claire. Absolutely.

[1:30:16] North-south is our problem and

[1:30:17] getting over the 40 in the 20 is

[1:30:18] not an easy thing. And to take a

[1:30:20] bicycle, I'm a cyclist, and

[1:30:22] going, you are right, going

[1:30:23] north, I wouldn't write on

[1:30:26] Saint-Jean myself. I just

[1:30:27] wouldn't do it. And it is an

[1:30:29] issue. But even taking a car to

[1:30:30] go to Pierrefonds takes you

[1:30:33] longer to drive to Pierrefonds

[1:30:35] than it does to drive to

[1:30:36] downtown Montréal, which is a

[1:30:38] real problem. It will be a

[1:30:39] problem getting to the REM. It's

[1:30:40] a real issue getting to the REM.

[1:30:42] It's in many ways faster to go

[1:30:44] to your car to go downtown and

[1:30:46] take the old CPR route to go to

[1:30:48] the REM. It is a real problem

[1:30:50] and it's one that I am well

[1:30:52] aware of. It has to be resolved

[1:30:54] somehow going forward.

[1:30:55] Unfortunately, it is an

[1:30:56] expensive problem to solve. But

[1:30:59] you are 100 percent right.

[1:31:00] >> I hope very soon. I did it --

[1:31:04] I'm telling you my experience.

[1:31:06] The second question, for two

[1:31:08] years you have the freeze. What

[1:31:10] is the plan after that?

[1:31:13] >> The what for two years?

[1:31:15] >> The freezing for all the

[1:31:16] condo and high-rise building.

[1:31:19] Did you have any plans to

[1:31:21] convince this developer, or

[1:31:24] encourage him to go in the

[1:31:26] single house for the family and

[1:31:28] next generation? And also for

[1:31:30] the citizen living with their

[1:31:33] parents waiting to have the

[1:31:34] right house. Any plan for that

[1:31:37] to help that exists?

[1:31:40] >> In our current levels and

[1:31:42] needs of densification, single

[1:31:44] family homes are going to be

[1:31:45] hard to come by. That is for

[1:31:46] sure. The use of development

[1:31:48] space, that is a challenge. What

[1:31:50] I can tell you is that we are in

[1:31:53] the process of coming up with an

[1:31:55] urban plan. We've all talked

[1:31:56] about this. We would like it to

[1:31:58] go more quickly than it is, all

[1:32:00] of us, I think, I would like the

[1:32:04] consultation process to be

[1:32:04] accelerated. I don't find it

[1:32:10] moves quite quickly enough to

[1:32:11] resolve or come up with what the

[1:32:13] systems would like as an urban

[1:32:14] planner. What the end result

[1:32:17] would be would be helpful and

[1:32:18] the quicker the better. You're

[1:32:20] absolutely right on that.

[1:32:23] >> I would encourage the

[1:32:25] developer to go for the single

[1:32:26] housing, really.

[1:32:28] >> That is your interpretation.

[1:32:31] We are doing a consultation.

[1:32:34] There will be a consultation

[1:32:35] that will have some influence on

[1:32:36] what happens. Not your opinion,

[1:32:39] sir, with all due respect. We

[1:32:40] have to listen to whatever --

[1:32:43] what a lot of the results will

[1:32:44] be and go according. I'm hoping

[1:32:46] that the citizen consultation

[1:32:48] will help us in devising and

[1:32:49] urban plan that will lead to the

[1:32:51] liking of the popular citizens.

[1:32:54] >> The city councillor goes

[1:32:55] ahead and convince them to be a

[1:32:58] leader on this, to help them and

[1:33:01] encourage them to go from the

[1:33:03] citizen. And for the

[1:33:05] environment, we thank you for

[1:33:07] thank you. Yes, you don't care

[1:33:11] about the environment. Us, we

[1:33:13] care about the environment

[1:33:14] because we have kids. We already

[1:33:18] care for city -- we are looking

[1:33:21] at -- they brought you a chair

[1:33:23] in the primary school to remind

[1:33:26] you of the environment. My kids

[1:33:28] all graduate from the school. So

[1:33:30] I thank, you Mister Mayor, for

[1:33:32] take care of the environment.

[1:33:35] And I hope we all care about.

[1:33:37] Thank you. Thank you very much.

[1:33:39] Thank you, everybody. I wish you

[1:33:41] all the well.

[1:33:42] >> Thank you. Lynn Conway?

[1:33:55] >> Good evening. A gentleman

[1:33:57] earlier this evening spoke about

[1:33:59] his street, Larouche. Whatever

[1:34:03] you plan or decide for that

[1:34:04] street, I think you can also

[1:34:06] plan the same thing for my

[1:34:07] street. Because it is the same

[1:34:12] exact thing. We get this bill

[1:34:14] off from St. John's. It is going

[1:34:15] to be a construction deal with a

[1:34:17] mass that dealership. And the

[1:34:22] street cannot be widened

[1:34:23] anymore. Those streets that were

[1:34:24] built during the horse and buggy

[1:34:26] days. That's why the streets are

[1:34:29] narrow and it is just too much

[1:34:31] traffic on the streets. Whatever

[1:34:34] you plan for that, street you

[1:34:37] can also plan for this street.

[1:34:40] Please.

[1:34:41] >> Is that your question?

[1:34:42] >> Keep that in mind, yes.

[1:34:44] >> I'm astonished whenever I

[1:34:46] drive on May with. I usually

[1:34:47] have to pull in behind a parked

[1:34:49] car to allow the other car to go

[1:34:52] by before I go out. I do it all

[1:34:54] the time.

[1:34:55] >> You can't have two cars

[1:34:56] meeting.

[1:34:57] >> Absolutely. Your point is way

[1:34:58] well taken. How about posters

[1:35:01] that's a local traffic only? Use

[1:35:03] it as a's bill off to come to

[1:35:06] the city.

[1:35:07] >> We have an excellent traffic

[1:35:09] committee. No idea is --

[1:35:11] >> Posters for traffic only.

[1:35:13] >> Okay.

[1:35:17] >> Sounds good?

[1:35:18] >> I live on Cartier. You should

[1:35:19] try that. It's really

[1:35:22] interesting. We had to teach it

[1:35:23] -- you are raising a point

[1:35:25] earlier, we would have to tell

[1:35:26] our children, make sure you make

[1:35:27] eye contact when your crossing.

[1:35:29] Make sure you make eye contact.

[1:35:31] I have seen four, five people

[1:35:32] get hit, put up on the hood, but

[1:35:36] not actually knocked down, but

[1:35:38] drivers actually taking people

[1:35:40] across. It's unbelievable.

[1:35:41] >> What is even different from

[1:35:44] delay Roe Street is people don't

[1:35:46] even try to play street hockey.

[1:35:49] And also because of the schools

[1:35:50] that are around on Douglas -- a

[1:35:54] lot of kids don't qualify for

[1:35:57] the bus so the bus is like one

[1:36:00] point something kilometers, in

[1:36:03] the radius of that distance. So

[1:36:05] a lot of the students use

[1:36:09] Maywood in the morning and

[1:36:11] evening. All the kids walking on

[1:36:13] that street. So just a question.

[1:36:19] >> Everybody that leaves the

[1:36:20] arena.

[1:36:22] >> Excuse, me ma'am.

[1:36:23] >> The coffee a Tim Hortons.

[1:36:27] >> Point taken. Point taken,

[1:36:28] thank you.

[1:36:29] >> And also for the the meeting

[1:36:32] for the October 25, the

[1:36:37] Planning, program which -- I

[1:36:38] tend as much as I can. People

[1:36:41] have to register as soon as

[1:36:43] possible. There is a deadline to

[1:36:44] apply, but actually people have

[1:36:46] to apply a soon as possible,

[1:36:47] because all the spots Philip. It

[1:36:48] is limited. In the past, it has

[1:36:50] been limited. When the spots

[1:36:53] Philip, then you don't have

[1:36:54] access to go. Just a reminder

[1:36:59] for everybody.

[1:37:00] >> Okay thank you. Thank you.

[1:37:04] Merci, Madame. Okay. O.K.!

[1:37:10] >> There's another gentlemen,

[1:37:11] yes.

[1:37:12] >> I don't have him on my list.

[1:37:13] >> Mr. John Corvette.

[1:37:16] >> It's not on my list. Sorry,

[1:37:17] sir.

[1:37:21] >> Good evening. Three strikes

[1:37:27] and you are out. I'm here for

[1:37:28] traffic to. I live on Chester

[1:37:34] Avenue.

[1:37:35] >> Closer to the microphone,

[1:37:36] sir.

[1:37:37] >> Sorry. I live on Chester

[1:37:38] Avenue, two houses up from the

[1:37:39] first circle. I don't know if

[1:37:41] you are aware that about three

[1:37:45] weeks ago there was a young lad

[1:37:47] on Chester that was run over on

[1:37:52] both legs. He's got pins in his

[1:37:53] legs now. We moved in there in

[1:37:55] 1980. Every entrance into the

[1:38:01] circle, there was a stop sign.

[1:38:06] People didn't stop. They did the

[1:38:07] American stock. Now that we've

[1:38:11] got all those apartment

[1:38:14] buildings there, people are not

[1:38:17] using sources. And they are

[1:38:19] cutting in and coming down

[1:38:23] Chester. I just had my driveway

[1:38:30] cleaned all up yesterday. The

[1:38:32] guy that was driving the things

[1:38:35] said, my God, the traffic here

[1:38:36] is unbelievable. And they don't

[1:38:40] stop and they go fast. He says,

[1:38:43] I'm backing out with my big

[1:38:46] truck, and I've got to have a

[1:38:49] swivel on my head. Something's

[1:38:53] got to be done. If they will

[1:38:57] build another apartment building

[1:38:59] where the post office is, and

[1:39:02] another one where the Kentucky

[1:39:04] fried chicken was on cardinal in

[1:39:06] Dorval, that is just adding more

[1:39:08] and more traffic. So I would

[1:39:13] like to seek some speed bumps

[1:39:16] for the entrances for all those

[1:39:22] two speed -- or two circles.

[1:39:26] Because somebody is going to be

[1:39:27] killed. I hate to say, it could

[1:39:31] be an older kid like me. I'm 84.

[1:39:36] There is one of my neighbours.

[1:39:38] She can vouch for it. If we

[1:39:45] can't have speed bumps, I would

[1:39:47] like you to go on the street

[1:39:53] that runs -- what is the name of

[1:39:56] the street? Excuse me. Because

[1:40:06] Mount Pleasant feeds a lot of

[1:40:07] people, or cars in there. There

[1:40:10] is a number of houses on the

[1:40:13] corners where you have to go out

[1:40:19] on to mount pleasant to see the

[1:40:21] cars coming. I don't know how

[1:40:23] many times. I know one day I was

[1:40:26] going along Mount Pleasant and I

[1:40:29] was turning on Queen's. The

[1:40:30] person on bicycle decided to

[1:40:34] cross, cut across and ran right

[1:40:37] into my truck. Something's got

[1:40:38] to be done. Your city should

[1:40:39] turn around and go and check

[1:40:42] from Dalloway right down to the

[1:40:46] circles and make sure that these

[1:40:48] people have cut back on their

[1:40:51] shrubs, so it makes it easier

[1:40:56] for people to see. Can I get

[1:40:58] some kind of a thing from you to

[1:41:03] say you will look at it?

[1:41:05] >> Yeah.

[1:41:06] >> What about speed bumps?

[1:41:07] >> Speed bumps, that is an

[1:41:08] interesting debate. We don't

[1:41:10] have them in Pointe-Claire.

[1:41:11] There has been --

[1:41:12] >> You do.

[1:41:14] >> Oh, we do?

[1:41:15] >> Where do we have them?

[1:41:18] >> When is the last time that

[1:41:19] you look at the employees

[1:41:21] parking lot. You have speed

[1:41:22] bumps there.

[1:41:23] >> Yeah, I did know there was

[1:41:24] speed bumps in the employee

[1:41:25] parking lots.

[1:41:26] >> It's good for the goose is.

[1:41:27] >> Interesting point. The

[1:41:32] general -- we don't have them in

[1:41:33] Pointe-Claire. If there are some

[1:41:34] they are private, usually. But

[1:41:37] it's an interesting point.

[1:41:42] Always a debate whether we

[1:41:43] should or shouldn't. There has,

[1:41:45] over the years, there has been a

[1:41:47] consensus in Pointe-Claire

[1:41:49] politics not to have them.

[1:41:50] >> My problem is why did they

[1:41:53] take down the stop signs to

[1:41:54] begin with?

[1:41:55] >> That's a whole other issue.

[1:41:58] That can certainly be looked

[1:41:59] into for sure.

[1:42:00] >> If it keeps up, getting a

[1:42:04] quart of wood and the first guy

[1:42:05] I see coming down there he's

[1:42:06] going to get a 16 inch piece of

[1:42:09] wood in his windshield.

[1:42:10] >> Well. I would encourage you

[1:42:14] to refrain on that one.

[1:42:16] [Laughter]

[1:42:20] We had an interesting -- it's

[1:42:21] funny, we had a semi traffic

[1:42:23] circle situation in front of a

[1:42:27] Pointe-Claire school. We ended

[1:42:28] up putting a sign up for a

[1:42:30] similar reason. It sounds like

[1:42:31] in the Chester example -- the

[1:42:34] use of a stop sign maybe a

[1:42:36] solution there. I have to speak

[1:42:38] to Mark and the traffic

[1:42:39] committee.

[1:42:40] >> Do something to -- I don't

[1:42:42] care if there is a sign up

[1:42:43] there, a stop sign. People are

[1:42:46] doing in American stock. Fine,

[1:42:47] but at least they are slowing

[1:42:48] down. That is the sad part about

[1:42:50] it. And on my street, it's

[1:42:54] mostly seniors. You know? That

[1:43:01] is my request.

[1:43:04] >> As was the case for the

[1:43:06] gentleman from De La Roche, we

[1:43:08] do have a density problem

[1:43:11] vis-à-vis-ish infrastructure. As

[1:43:12] you mentioned, people are not

[1:43:13] using sources. This is a result

[1:43:16] of having an awful lot of people

[1:43:18] in an area with not enough roads

[1:43:19] to let them park.

[1:43:24] >> I will wait to see what

[1:43:25] happens.

[1:43:26] >> You know, it's a very good

[1:43:27] question. What I'm taking away

[1:43:31] from this is, looking after the

[1:43:33] shrubs from how they do from --

[1:43:37] >> In reality, I can tell you

[1:43:38] right now, there is three. There

[1:43:41] is one of the corner of Queens,

[1:43:44] right across from the church. It

[1:43:46] is not a hedge. It is all trees.

[1:43:49] You have to get out in the mount

[1:43:53] pleasant to see anything come

[1:43:54] from your left. Following down

[1:43:57] on Mount Pleasant, you hit

[1:44:01] another house that is right on

[1:44:03] the circle if you are coming

[1:44:05] down Chester, you can't see what

[1:44:07] is coming down Mount Pleasant.

[1:44:09] Going around the circle, the

[1:44:11] house that is on the east,

[1:44:15] southeast side, this fellow,

[1:44:19] it's the way his lot is shaped.

[1:44:21] But he has tried to cut back.

[1:44:24] But you still have to slow down

[1:44:26] and look. I don't know how many

[1:44:28] times I've got a slab on my

[1:44:29] bricks. This is a safety issue,

[1:44:34] as far as I'm concerned.

[1:44:35] >> Fair enough. This is what --

[1:44:37] did you want to answer, Cynthia?

[1:44:39] >> I just wanted to mention,

[1:44:40] there is actually a lot in the

[1:44:43] city called triangle visibility.

[1:44:44] If you have any of those

[1:44:47] situations, the best thing is to

[1:44:48] let your councillor know or call

[1:44:50] Public Security. They will come

[1:44:52] and measure all of that. And if

[1:44:53] it needs to be cut back, they

[1:44:54] will. Perhaps we can send public

[1:44:58] security to look at that area

[1:45:00] for you.

[1:45:01] >> I know myself I would

[1:45:02] appreciate it.

[1:45:03] >> No problem.

[1:45:04] >> It could be brought to the

[1:45:05] traffic committee.

[1:45:06] >> Or just public security right

[1:45:08] away. What did you write? Queen,

[1:45:12] Chester, Mount Pleasant. It

[1:45:13] would be helpful if we had the

[1:45:15] actual address.

[1:45:17] >> I think I outrank you in

[1:45:19] hockey coaches. 40 years.

[1:45:23] >> I did eight. Thank you very

[1:45:24] much.

[1:45:30] >> The father for pertaining to

[1:45:31] the register health September

[1:45:33] 8th, the 22nd, 2023, with

[1:45:35] respect to bylaw 29. Just hold

[1:45:37] on a second. Held with respect

[1:45:45] to the bylaw 29 60 long term

[1:45:48] borrowing in the amount of

[1:45:50] 19,000,500 for phase two of the

[1:45:52] Public Awards Building

[1:45:53] extension. No signatures were

[1:45:55] received. The bylaw has deemed

[1:45:57] to be approved by the qualified

[1:45:58] voters. 5.2 Avis de motion et

[1:46:04] dépôt d'un projet de Règlement

[1:46:05] décrétant les tarifs exigibles

[1:46:06] pour le financement de biens,

[1:46:07] services et activités offerts

[1:46:08] par la Ville de Pointe-Claire

[1:46:09] pour l'exercice financier 2024,

[1:46:11] de façon générale, la

[1:46:12] tarification des biens et

[1:46:14] services a été augmenté de 3,5%,

[1:46:17] malgré un IPC qui était de 6,8%

[1:46:19] pour la dernière année dans la

[1:46:20] région du Canada. La

[1:46:22] tarification pour le non

[1:46:23] résidentiel est établi en

[1:46:24] fonction d'un écart de 140% du

[1:46:25] tarif résidentiel.

[1:46:27] >> Who gives this notice of

[1:46:28] motion? Oh, he went to the

[1:46:34] bathroom.

[1:46:36] >> Brent Cowan, district A.

[1:46:39] >> 5.3, adoption of a bylaw

[1:46:41] creating a financial reserve

[1:46:42] related to certain activities of

[1:46:43] the Pointe-Claire volunteer

[1:46:45] rescue unit, a bylaw was adopted

[1:46:47] in 2016 establishing a maximum

[1:46:48] Reserve of $100,000. As well as

[1:46:51] expiry date of December 31st

[1:46:53] 2025. Currently, this amount has

[1:46:55] almost been reached. To enable

[1:46:56] the Pointe-Claire volunteer

[1:46:58] rescue unit to continue

[1:46:59] accepting donations in exchange

[1:47:00] for their services, and to

[1:47:01] ensure some management of their

[1:47:04] operating budget, it is

[1:47:05] recommended that the maximum

[1:47:06] amount be increased to $200,000,

[1:47:09] and the expiry date be extended

[1:47:10] to the September 31st, 2023.

[1:47:14] >> Do I have a mover?

[1:47:19] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[1:47:21] >> A seconder?

[1:47:22] >> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

[1:47:24] district six.

[1:47:25] >> All in favour?

[1:47:29] >> 6.1 Déposer une déclaration

[1:47:30] d'intérêts pécuniaires pour un

[1:47:31] membre du conseil suivant son

[1:47:34] élection du 23 avril 2020, trois

[1:47:36] le conseiller doit produire une

[1:47:39] déclaration d'intérêts

[1:47:40] pécuniaires et, par la suite, à

[1:47:42] chaque anniversaire de son

[1:47:43] élection, pour la durée de son

[1:47:44] mandat.

[1:47:48] >> Six, to approve the

[1:47:49] evaluation criteria to be used

[1:47:50] within the -- upon imitation for

[1:47:53] an eco recognition and --

[1:47:57] ecological challenges

[1:47:58] considering the challenges of

[1:47:59] buildings, life cycle analysis,

[1:48:00] and the ecological footprint of

[1:48:02] materials will be analyzed in

[1:48:04] order to give the city with the

[1:48:05] best current knowledge.

[1:48:06] >> Do I have a mover?

[1:48:09] >> Cynthia, district five.

[1:48:10] >> Seconder?

[1:48:15] >> Claude Cousineau, district

[1:48:17] one.

[1:48:18] >> All in favour?

[1:48:27] 10.1 Déposer la liste des

[1:48:28] amendements budgétaires et le

[1:48:29] registre des chèques pour la

[1:48:30] période du 24 août 2023 au 20

[1:48:31] septembre 2023.

[1:48:36] >> 11 point, one to mandate the

[1:48:38] -- assume the defence of mayor

[1:48:40] Tim Thomas in superior court

[1:48:42] file dash -- 761 dash 231, under

[1:48:45] the city and towns act,

[1:48:46] municipalities are required to

[1:48:48] defend a council member who is

[1:48:49] being sued, provided certain

[1:48:50] conditions are met in the case

[1:48:51] at hand the City must assume the

[1:48:52] defence of the mayor, who is the

[1:48:54] defendant in the proceeding

[1:48:55] before the court based on an

[1:48:57] alleged action or mission in the

[1:48:59] performance of his duties as a

[1:49:00] council member. 11.2 Mandater le

[1:49:07] cabinet Bélanger Sauvé, avocats

[1:49:08] pour intervenir au nom de la

[1:49:09] Ville de Pointe-Claire dans le

[1:49:10] dossier 500-17-126761-231. En

[1:49:12] vertu de la Loi sur les cités et

[1:49:14] villes, la ville est tenu de

[1:49:15] faire des dépenses pour assurer

[1:49:17] sa défense devant un tribunal

[1:49:18] Loi sur demande remporter la

[1:49:20] course totalité de sa dépendance

[1:49:22] ou une partie de celle-ci. Dans

[1:49:24] certains temps qui

[1:49:25] (---)

[1:49:26] ouverture. Si elle n'est pas

[1:49:27] déjà parti à cette procédure, la

[1:49:28] ville peut-il intervenir auprès

[1:49:33] de faire ou de soutenir cette

[1:49:34] demande.

[1:49:35] >> Do I have a mover?

[1:49:36] >> Paul Bissonnette, district

[1:49:37] two.

[1:49:38] >> Seconder?

[1:49:39] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[1:49:40] >> Mister Mayor, I would like to

[1:49:41] speak to this issue before we

[1:49:42] vote.

[1:49:44] >> Okay.

[1:49:45] >> I'm speaking relative to

[1:49:46] point number 11.2. The mandate

[1:49:52] with -- this is in my opinion

[1:49:57] and wisdom, reading much of what

[1:50:00] has been written on this issue,

[1:50:01] it's a highly technical area. In

[1:50:05] fact, the jurisprudence on this

[1:50:07] is rather complicated. In

[1:50:09] essence, who had the particular

[1:50:12] mandate speaks to is what I'm

[1:50:13] referring to. There really is no

[1:50:18] time limit in terms of when we

[1:50:20] need to drop this pop particular

[1:50:22] resolution. We can do it today,

[1:50:23] we can do in a few, weeks we can

[1:50:24] do it in a few months. We can do

[1:50:26] it after the particular court

[1:50:29] date. My preference would be to

[1:50:34] move this to a later date. Some

[1:50:38] on Council might argue that that

[1:50:40] is something that might have

[1:50:41] mentioned earlier in our

[1:50:42] discussions, but seeing as we

[1:50:43] are caught up in so many

[1:50:46] different themes, particularly

[1:50:48] the budget and financial

[1:50:49] information that's coming along,

[1:50:51] it does take a little while to

[1:50:53] digest all this information. Why

[1:50:57] is options that Council has no

[1:50:59] appetite to move something like

[1:51:00] this for the route into the new

[1:51:01] year or later in 2024. And

[1:51:06] unless there is, I would move

[1:51:09] that we do that. And I would

[1:51:11] have to be given indication at

[1:51:13] this meeting. The reason I'm

[1:51:17] thinking along these lines is

[1:51:18] specifically to be able to give

[1:51:21] the mayor an opportunity to

[1:51:23] speak and consult with his

[1:51:25] lawyer on obtaining a briefing

[1:51:28] and understanding of what all

[1:51:30] the legalities behind this mean

[1:51:32] and what he may or may not be

[1:51:34] subjected to. I greatly

[1:51:36] appreciate the brief I've

[1:51:37] received from Mr. Thibault on

[1:51:38] this issue as well. But in this

[1:51:41] case, I think I, to, have a

[1:51:46] concern about the finances that

[1:51:49] would result from any payment in

[1:51:51] a legal situation. I appreciate

[1:51:54] the concern and the need to act

[1:51:56] on this internally. But I think

[1:51:58] it would be justifiable to give

[1:52:01] the mayor a longer opportunity

[1:52:03] to be able to obtain the

[1:52:05] briefing that I think would be

[1:52:07] justified and just in that

[1:52:09] manner. I also do have some

[1:52:11] lingering concerns, although I

[1:52:13] do have some lingering concerns

[1:52:15] about this whole process

[1:52:16] actually costing the city more

[1:52:19] money we. And so, for that

[1:52:21] reason, my current view on this

[1:52:24] would be to vote no or to, in

[1:52:27] looking at councillors around

[1:52:29] the table, to move that we

[1:52:31] perhaps look at it at a later

[1:52:33] date for this particular

[1:52:34] resolution. I leave it there.

[1:52:37] >> Do I have a seconder?

[1:52:38] >> I have a comment, Mister

[1:52:40] Mayor?

[1:52:41] >> I'm asking if there is a

[1:52:42] seconder.

[1:52:43] >> I'm allowed to comment,

[1:52:44] Mister Mayor.

[1:52:45] >> He's moved the amendment.

[1:52:48] >> Councillor Tremblay is moving

[1:52:49] and I'm asking for a seconder.

[1:52:50] Is there a seconder?

[1:52:59] >> I'm allowed to comment. Am I

[1:53:00] allowed to comment? Thank you.

[1:53:04] Thank you, Mister Mayor, for

[1:53:06] respecting my right to comment.

[1:53:07] >> I am the chair, Councillor

[1:53:09] Stork. Just so you know.

[1:53:11] >> I noticed, I noticed.

[1:53:12] >> Thank you.

[1:53:13] >> I would like to point

[1:53:14] something out in reference to

[1:53:17] what was just said about the

[1:53:18] time limit as to why we should

[1:53:20] have a motion to delay this.

[1:53:21] There are two important reasons.

[1:53:23] One is that there is a cost

[1:53:25] savings as well. Because you

[1:53:28] don't have the set to separate

[1:53:29] trials. That is straight off the

[1:53:31] bat. The second reason is very

[1:53:33] simple, that if it is so

[1:53:35] determined in the determination

[1:53:37] by the lawsuit we that there is

[1:53:40] no definition of whether any any

[1:53:46] intentional actions without the

[1:53:47] duties of the Mayor, we are

[1:53:48] asking the judge to determine

[1:53:51] immediately so it doesn't have

[1:53:52] to be determined after the fact

[1:53:53] on a separate trial. So it is we

[1:53:57] for simplicity and -- cost

[1:53:59] savings. I would like to mention

[1:54:02] Mr. Tremblay that I would've

[1:54:04] been very thoughtful to be

[1:54:05] discussed, it would be mentioned

[1:54:07] prior, not brought up at this

[1:54:08] time. It is pretty opportune

[1:54:10] time to bring this up. Thank

[1:54:11] you.

[1:54:13] >> I would like to address the

[1:54:14] motion from the floor as well.

[1:54:16] >> Go ahead, Councillor Cowan. I

[1:54:18] don't see how time has any

[1:54:21] bearing on this at all. This is

[1:54:23] a court case. Nothing is going

[1:54:24] to be discussed outside of the

[1:54:26] trial, whenever the trial

[1:54:28] occurs. I could be years from

[1:54:29] now. Whether we do it now or

[1:54:33] later, it is rather irrelevant.

[1:54:35] There is no additional

[1:54:36] information that we are going to

[1:54:37] be able to assess. Because all

[1:54:40] that information will be vetted

[1:54:43] to the trial, which there is no

[1:54:45] date. It could be two years from

[1:54:47] now. Some of these trials take

[1:54:49] ten years to get the court.

[1:54:53] >> So prior to moving in

[1:54:56] seconding, on 0.1 and point to,

[1:54:58] I just want to point out that I

[1:54:59] am yet without representation. I

[1:55:04] can't speak to, this although I

[1:55:06] would like to. I cannot because

[1:55:07] I'm without representation. 4.11

[1:55:09] point to 11 point, to do I have

[1:55:10] a mover?

[1:55:14] >> We are now.

[1:55:16] >> Oh, we haven't voted. All in

[1:55:17] favour? We have a mover and a

[1:55:19] seconder? All in favour? All

[1:55:24] against?

[1:55:25] >> I'm in favour of 11.1 and not

[1:55:27] in favour of 11.2.

[1:55:29] >> Okay. Duly noted.

[1:55:32] -

[1:55:33] >> 12.1. 12 when, went to file a

[1:55:36] list of dedicated to have staff

[1:55:37] changes for the month of October

[1:55:38] 23.

[1:55:40] - 12.2, Approuver la liste des

[1:55:43] changements au personnel par

[1:55:44] décisions non déléguées au 3

[1:55:45] octobre 2023.

[1:55:49] >> 12.3, approve the amendment

[1:55:50] of the respect for persons

[1:55:52] policy. We must update our

[1:55:53] respect for people or persons

[1:55:55] policy implemented in August

[1:55:56] 2013. To comply with the, law

[1:55:59] the orientation conveyed by the

[1:56:00] respect for persons policy is

[1:56:02] based on a zero tolerance

[1:56:03] approach and accountability for

[1:56:04] all members of the miscible

[1:56:06] Canada community in the

[1:56:07] workplace. More specifically the

[1:56:08] policy specifies the behaviours

[1:56:10] expected within the organization

[1:56:12] in terms of respect, a, rules

[1:56:13] and responsibilities of the

[1:56:14] municipal community, as well as

[1:56:16] the mechanisms set forth to meet

[1:56:17] the are -- linked to set policy.

[1:56:23] >> Pour ces points... do I have

[1:56:24] a mover?

[1:56:25] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[1:56:26] >> Seconder?

[1:56:27] >> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

[1:56:29] district six.

[1:56:30] >> All in favour?

[1:56:33] - 14.1, Se prévaloir de l'option

[1:56:34] de renouvellement prévue au

[1:56:35] contrat intervenu avec Tech-Mix,

[1:56:36] une division de Bauval Inc.,

[1:56:37] pour l'année 2024, au montant de

[1:56:41] 67030,43 $, taxes incluses, pour

[1:56:42] la fourniture et la livraison

[1:56:43] sur demande de l'asphalte tiède

[1:56:45] à viscosité élevée incluant le

[1:56:46] polymère pour utilisation

[1:56:47] hivernale. L'asphalte obtient

[1:56:51] des requis pour l'utilisation

[1:56:52] hivernale lors de travaux de

[1:56:54] réparation des bris d'aqueduc,

[1:56:56] nids-de-poule et entretien de la

[1:56:57] surface

[1:56:58] (inaudible)

[1:56:59] .

[1:57:00] >> 14 point, two to award a

[1:57:01] contract for mattress and box

[1:57:02] spring disposal and reversing

[1:57:03] services for the use 2024, 2025,

[1:57:06] and 2026. To recycle mattress

[1:57:09] and, for the total of $4,075.50,

[1:57:14] taxes included, with the years

[1:57:16] 2027 and 2020 in option. In

[1:57:18] accordance with the sustainable

[1:57:19] development policy adopted by

[1:57:20] the City in 2017, the public

[1:57:22] works department is making

[1:57:23] necessary efforts to divert as

[1:57:25] much material as possible for

[1:57:27] landfills to this and the city

[1:57:28] offers the collection of large

[1:57:29] upholstered items to its

[1:57:32] citizens relies on the services

[1:57:33] of an external company to

[1:57:34] repurpose items, such as

[1:57:36] mattresses, box brings, and

[1:57:37] futons, collected at ecocentres

[1:57:39] and during the door-to-door

[1:57:40] special collections.

[1:57:41] - 14.3, Octroyer un contrat pour

[1:57:42] le déneigement des poteaux

[1:57:43] d'incendie de la ville de

[1:57:44] Pointe-Claire pour la saison

[1:57:46] hivernale 2023-2024, à 9042-0845

[1:57:49] Québec Inc., pour un montant

[1:57:50] total de 50129,10 $, taxes

[1:57:53] incluses, avec la saison

[1:57:55] 2024-2025 en option. Ce contrat

[1:57:59] est requis pour le déneigement

[1:58:00] de l'ensemble des bureaux...

[1:58:02] poteaux d'incendies, plutôt,

[1:58:03] afin de les rendre à...

[1:58:05] accessible en tout temps hiver

[1:58:06] pour la sécurité des citoyens.

[1:58:09] >> 14.4, to award a contract for

[1:58:10] ruling and maintenance of winter

[1:58:12] trails and cross-country scales

[1:58:14] -- ski trails in the county of

[1:58:16] Pointe-Claire for the 2023, 2024

[1:58:18] season. To consumption snow tech

[1:58:21] Inc. for the amount of -- and 48

[1:58:23] cents, taxes included. With a

[1:58:28] 2024 2025 and 20 2025 2026

[1:58:29] seasons and option. This

[1:58:30] contract is required to provide

[1:58:32] rooming and maintenance services

[1:58:33] for snow,, hiking and cross

[1:58:34] country ski trails on the

[1:58:35] Beaconsfield golf course, as

[1:58:36] well as hiking trails in ten

[1:58:37] parks, including terracotta park

[1:58:39] and the pedestrian walkway.

[1:58:40] - 14.5, Octroyer un contrat pour

[1:58:41] la fourniture et la livraison de

[1:58:42] chlorure de sodium

[1:58:44] (sel traité de déglaçage des

[1:58:46] chaussées)

[1:58:47] pour l'année 2024, à Cargill

[1:58:48] Sel, Sécurité Routière, une

[1:58:49] division de Cargill Ltée, pour

[1:58:50] un montant total de

[1:58:53] 1082328,66 $, taxes incluses.

[1:58:58] Cet appel d'offres a été fait

[1:58:59] dans le cadre de l'entente cadre

[1:59:00] avec la Ville de Montréal, en se

[1:59:02] regroupant avec les

[1:59:04] arrondissements et les villes

[1:59:05] reconstituer le bénéfice des

[1:59:07] achats regroupées pour

[1:59:08] l'acquisition de ce type de

[1:59:09] produits sont intéressants. Nous

[1:59:10] profitons d'un meilleur prix à

[1:59:11] cause du volume d'achat et nous

[1:59:14] serons les coûts quand Jean-Noël

[1:59:16] le lancement des appels d'offres

[1:59:17] pour ces produits.

[1:59:20] - Pour les cinq derniers

[1:59:22] >> Do I have postes... a mover?

[1:59:23] Point, plutôt.

[1:59:24] - Bruno Tremblay, je propose

[1:59:27] l'adoption de ces points,

[1:59:28] district six.

[1:59:30] >> And a seconder?

[1:59:31] >> Brent Cowan, district eight.

[1:59:35] >> All in favour?

[1:59:37] >> 14.6, approve a change order

[1:59:39] of the contract changed into

[1:59:45] with -- four amount of 58,000 in

[1:59:48] a three cents, tax included. The

[1:59:50] changes to accelerate the

[1:59:51] printing and filling schedule

[1:59:52] and to provide about four 2023,

[1:59:54] to enable the City to

[1:59:56] proactively mitigate risks and

[1:59:57] better prepare trees to

[1:59:59] withstand extreme situations.

[2:00:05] 14.7 Régulariser les dépenses

[2:00:06] envers Les Rénovations Jocelyn

[2:00:07] Décoste Inc., pour des travaux

[2:00:08] de contrôle d'espèces végétales

[2:00:09] exotiques envahissantes et

[2:00:10] d'entretien en milieux naturels

[2:00:11] dans le parc Terra-Cotta et

[2:00:12] autres sites de la Ville, pour

[2:00:13] l'année 2023, pour un montant de

[2:00:14] 10239,17 $, taxes incluses. La

[2:00:20] présente demande de

[2:00:22] modifications vise à ajuster le

[2:00:23] montant alloué...

[2:00:38] donc la présente demande de

[2:00:39] modification vise ajuster le

[2:00:41] montant alloué pour l'année 2023

[2:00:43] de dispositions contractuelles

[2:00:46] basé sur l'IPC.

[2:00:49] >> 14.8, to appeal resolution

[2:00:51] 2021 dash 1:41 in a point the

[2:00:53] City authorized representative

[2:00:55] to sign and submit documents and

[2:00:58] to apply all fees related to the

[2:01:02] transaction, file account, with

[2:01:04] specific sort of illusion on

[2:01:06] behalf of the city of

[2:01:07] Pointe-Claire, and it is still

[2:01:08] on the authorization to

[2:01:10] Alexander Leonard, Mr. Walker

[2:01:11] Ouellet, and Christian basement

[2:01:13] assign documents, summit request

[2:01:15] for a document copies, and to

[2:01:16] apply all fees regional

[2:01:18] transactions to the city's

[2:01:19] account at the city -- de

[2:01:22] Québec.

[2:01:23] >> For 14.7 and 14.8, do I have

[2:01:27] a mover?

[2:01:28] >> City -- district five.

[2:01:30] >> Eric Stork, district seven.

[2:01:31] >> All in favour?

[2:01:37] 15.1 Approuver une modification

[2:01:38] au contrat intervenu avec

[2:01:39] Construction CPB Inc., pour les

[2:01:40] travaux d'agrandissement et

[2:01:41] réaménagement des Travaux

[2:01:42] Publics, pour un montant de

[2:01:43] 15158,84 $, taxes incluses.

[2:01:46] C'est pour la relocalisation

[2:01:47] d'une unité de climatisation

[2:01:49] desservant le magasin existant

[2:01:50] et les fournitures et

[2:01:51] installations des carrelage de

[2:01:52] céramique requis au plancher de

[2:01:54] la plate-forme élévatrice pour

[2:01:55] les personnes en fauteuil

[2:01:56] roulant.

[2:02:00] >> And 15.2, to approve a change

[2:02:03] order with the contract entered

[2:02:04] into -- with for the replacement

[2:02:06] of the unit at central goal for

[2:02:09] the mount of $2,417.17, taxes

[2:02:12] included, the lot of cases where

[2:02:14] to ply power to new equipment

[2:02:16] and consisting of electrical

[2:02:18] work.

[2:02:21] >> 15.1 15.2, do I have a mover?

[2:02:27] Brent Cowan, district 8.

[2:02:29] >> Seconded by Bruno Tremblay,

[2:02:31] district 6.

[2:02:34] - Monsieur Cousineau, vous votez

[2:02:35] pour ou contre?

[2:02:37] - Je vote contre le 15.1.

[2:02:38] - Merci. 16.1 Approuver une

[2:02:42] modification au contrat

[2:02:43] intervenu avec Foraction Inc.,

[2:02:44] pour la réhabilitation

[2:02:45] structurale de la conduite d'eau

[2:02:46] potable du chemin de service

[2:02:47] Nord entre les avenues Bancroft

[2:02:50] et Tecumseh, pour un montant de

[2:02:51] 10699,40 $, taxes incluses. De

[2:02:57] modification contrats doivent

[2:02:58] être approuvés. Des travaux de

[2:03:01] réparation des bris d'aqueduc

[2:03:02] survenue sur les services privés

[2:03:06] autre 3535 Transcanadienne lors

[2:03:07] de la réparation. Un deuxième

[2:03:08] bris est survenue sur un autre

[2:03:09] côté qui a dû être réparé. Et

[2:03:11] deuxièmement, réparation d'une

[2:03:12] fuite à une borne fontaine.

[2:03:15] >> 16 by two, approve a change

[2:03:16] order to the contract entered

[2:03:19] into with P and G project

[2:03:20] management Inc., for the

[2:03:21] creation of a park in the walls

[2:03:23] and sector for amount of

[2:03:25] $13,815.40, taxes included. With

[2:03:27] a modification including the

[2:03:29] installation of a taller fence

[2:03:30] than the one specified in the

[2:03:31] contract, as well as the removal

[2:03:33] of interlocking paving stones

[2:03:36] and the repair of the pathway.

[2:03:38] 16.3 Approuver une entente à

[2:03:39] intervenir avec la Société de

[2:03:40] transport de Montréal

[2:03:41] (STM)

[2:03:42] concernant les mesures

[2:03:43] préférentielles pour bus et les

[2:03:44] travaux sur les feux de

[2:03:47] circulation Axe Saint-Jean et

[2:03:48] Des Sources. La STM influencera,

[2:03:52] pardon. La STM effectuera divers

[2:03:56] travaux et remplacement

[2:03:58] d'équipements afin de permettre

[2:04:00] une synchronisation complète de

[2:04:01] l'axe. Cela permettra également

[2:04:03] de s'assurer de la compatibilité

[2:04:05] et du fonctionnement des

[2:04:06] équipements avec le système de

[2:04:08] détection de la STM.

[2:04:13] >> 16.4, two others request to

[2:04:14] amend the agreement concerning a

[2:04:17] contribution within the -- the

[2:04:18] transfer active for the project

[2:04:20] concerning the construction of a

[2:04:22] pedestrian and cyclist bridge

[2:04:23] over Highway 20 on Saint John

[2:04:25] Boulevard in Pointe-Claire. The

[2:04:27] budget modification aims to --

[2:04:29] pedestrian and cyclist over

[2:04:30] passed in line with the Austin

[2:04:31] Avenue extension. By doing so

[2:04:33] will provide faster and safer

[2:04:34] access to the new Fairview

[2:04:37] Pointe-Claire REM station. For

[2:04:40] more users south of Highway 20.

[2:04:41] Sorry, southern highway 40.

[2:04:45] >> For 16.1 to 16.4, do I have a

[2:04:51] mover?

[2:04:53] -

[2:04:55] >> Claude Cousineau, district

[2:04:56] un. District 2

[2:04:58] >> -- district 1.

[2:04:59] >> All in favour?

[2:05:06] - 17.1 Considérer une demande de

[2:05:07] dérogation mineure concernant la

[2:05:08] propriété sise au 146, avenue

[2:05:09] d'Arrowhead Crescent pour

[2:05:12] permettre perron avant de

[2:05:13] (---)

[2:05:14] plutôt que le maximum de 5

[2:05:15] mètres carrés. Pardon, les

[2:05:17] personnes présentes peuvent

[2:05:18] s'adresser au Conseil concernant

[2:05:19] les systèmes 17.1 à 17.3.

[2:05:32] 17.2, consider minor exemption

[2:05:34] request concerning probably

[2:05:35] located at 30 Hillcrest Avenue.

[2:05:36] It is to pin meant an ancillary

[2:05:39] building located 2.5 metres on

[2:05:41] the property line rather than

[2:05:44] the minimum required of one

[2:05:45] metre.

[2:05:47] >> For 17.1, 17.2, do I have a

[2:05:52] mover?

[2:05:54] -

[2:05:55] >> Claude Cousineau, district

[2:05:56] un. Claude Cousineau, district

[2:05:59] 1.

[2:06:01] >> Brent Cowan, district 8

[2:06:02] - 17.3.

[2:06:03] >> Considérer une demande de

[2:06:04] dérogation mineure concernant la

[2:06:05] district all in favour?

[2:06:06] Propriété sise au 149, avenue

[2:06:08] Vanguard, pour permettre une

[2:06:09] clôture dans la marge avant avec

[2:06:10] une hauteur de 1,82 mètre plutôt

[2:06:12] que le maximum permis de

[2:06:13] remettre. De 1 mètre.

[2:06:19] >> 17 point, four to -- with

[2:06:21] respect to the property located

[2:06:22] 14 bowling green avenue and

[2:06:26] repeal resolutions 2022 dash to

[2:06:30] a three and 22 6:26, changes to

[2:06:32] previously approved plans in

[2:06:33] order to reduce the size of the

[2:06:35] brand veranda, maintain repair

[2:06:38] acrylic stucco, apply acrylic

[2:06:40] stucco, build a window instead

[2:06:43] French doors on the elevation.

[2:06:46] - 17.5 Considérer les plans

[2:06:47] d'implantation et d'intégration

[2:06:48] architecturale relatifs à la

[2:06:49] propriété sise au 130, avenue de

[2:06:50] Breslay et abroger les

[2:06:51] résolutions 2023-164 et

[2:06:52] 2023-167. Il faut des

[2:06:55] modifications du revêtement

[2:06:56] extérieur.

[2:07:10] - 17.7 Considérer les plans

[2:07:11] d'implantation et d'intégration

[2:07:12] architecturale relatifs à la

[2:07:13] propriété sise au 18, avenue

[2:07:14] Hillcrest. Pour des rénovations

[2:07:16] du garage détaché.

[2:07:20] >> And 17. Eighth, a second of

[2:07:22] resolution for specific

[2:07:24] construction alteration

[2:07:25] occupation proposal for any

[2:07:27] movable also known as a -- and

[2:07:31] 195 Brunswick boulevard,

[2:07:33] authorizing the occupational

[2:07:34] building for a mini warehouse.

[2:07:36] It's a recess of an extension,

[2:07:37] of an existing industrial

[2:07:38] building for many private

[2:07:40] storage purposes. The building

[2:07:41] was renovated in 2019 but was

[2:07:44] never knew used in its intended

[2:07:46] purpose as a pharmaceutical

[2:07:48] manufacturing plant. The

[2:07:49] proposed use does not comply

[2:07:50] with the zone bylaw. The minimum

[2:07:54] parking spaces make it a real

[2:07:55] chance to use the existing

[2:07:56] building for industrial

[2:07:59] purposes. Planning advisory

[2:08:00] committee expressed its view,

[2:08:01] which is that due to the fact

[2:08:02] that the existing building is

[2:08:03] greatly limited to the type of

[2:08:04] use it can occupy, given the

[2:08:06] lack of parking, permitting

[2:08:07] public storage use, should be

[2:08:09] considered.

[2:08:11] >> So for 17.3 to 17.8, do I

[2:08:15] have a mover?

[2:08:16] >> I move that we grant the

[2:08:18] exemption to 17.3 and approved

[2:08:21] the site Planning Act angel

[2:08:23] programs plans to 17.4 and adopt

[2:08:26] the second draft resolution for

[2:08:29] the -- and 17. Eight, Brent

[2:08:35] Cowan, district 8.

[2:08:36] >> I second, 17.3 to 17.7. And

[2:08:42] against 17. Eight.

[2:08:44] >> You can't see it.

[2:08:50] >> We need another seconder. We

[2:08:53] have a seconder. Another

[2:08:54] seconder, and then Councillor --

[2:08:56] can vote against in the vote.

[2:09:00] >> 17.3 to 17.7.

[2:09:06] >> 17., Eight different one.

[2:09:10] >>

[2:09:11] - District district 6,.

[2:09:12] >> All in favour?

[2:09:14] Est-ce que vous allez voter

[2:09:15] contre quelque chose Monsieur

[2:09:16] Cousineau?

[2:09:17] - Je vote contre le 17.8.

[2:09:21] >> Just to be clear, all in

[2:09:24] - Favour?

[2:09:25] Monsieur Tremblay?

[2:09:26] - Vous votez pour lesquels

[2:09:27] présentement, je veux juste être

[2:09:28] clair?

[2:09:29] - Je vote

[2:09:30] >> Pour 17.3 to 17.8. They vote

[2:09:33] for all of. And then I think

[2:09:36] Councillor Claude Cousineau and

[2:09:37] Councillor Paul Bissonnette vote

[2:09:39] for 17. Eight.

[2:09:46] - Monsieur monsieur Cousineau,

[2:09:48] monsieur Bissonnette, vous votez

[2:09:49] contre 17.8? 18.1 Autoriser la

[2:09:54] soumission d'une demande auprès

[2:09:55] du Ministère de l'Éducation dans

[2:09:56] le cadre du Programme d'aide

[2:09:57] financière aux infrastructures

[2:09:58] récréatives, sportives et de

[2:09:59] plein air, pour le projet de

[2:10:00] rénovation de l'infrastructure

[2:10:01] du Centre aquatique de

[2:10:02] Pointe-Claire. Ce programme vise

[2:10:05] à financer la construction,

[2:10:07] l'aménagement et la mise aux

[2:10:08] normes ou la rénovation

[2:10:09] d'installations sportives

[2:10:10] récréatives.

[2:10:18] >>

[2:10:19] 18.2, to authorize -- the

[2:10:20] Toronto art festival, 26 to

[2:10:21] October 29th in Toronto. It is a

[2:10:22] showcase of over hundred

[2:10:23] galleries from across Canada and

[2:10:25] abroad, making contemporary the

[2:10:28] biggest contemporary art event

[2:10:29] in Canada.

[2:10:31] >> For 18. One to 18.2 --

[2:10:38] >> -- 04

[2:10:39] >> All in favour?

[2:10:46] >> Foreclosure, do I have a

[2:10:47] mover?

[2:10:48] >> Eric Stork

[2:10:52] -, District 7 merci tout le

[2:10:54] monde..

[2:10:55] >>

[2:10:56] [Sous-titrage en direct:

[2:10:57] VITAC Canada] Bruno Tremblay,

[2:10:58] district 6.

[2:10:59] >> Can I eat, folks.

2023-10-03 Conseil de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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