[0:39] - Mesdames et Messieurs,

[0:40] bonsoir. Ladies and gentlemen's

[0:41] good evening. Bienvenue à cette

[0:43] séance extraordinaire du 16

[0:44] avril. Welcome to the evil 16th

[0:47] special meeting. Du 14 au 20

[0:53] avril, c'est la semaine de

[0:54] l'action bénévole qui a pour

[0:57] thème: ça compte toujours. Les

[1:00] membres du conseil et moi-même

[1:02] profitons de cette semaine pour

[1:04] souligner les contributions de

[1:06] nombreux bénévoles qui ouvrent à

[1:11] Pointe-Claire. Vos actions font

[1:12] une différence profonde dans

[1:14] notre communauté. Nous vous

[1:18] remercions de votre générosité

[1:20] et du temps que vous consacrez

[1:22] aux différents organismes et

[1:25] initiatives de notre ville.

[1:28] April 14th to 20th's national

[1:31] volunteer week, with the theme

[1:33] every moment matters. The

[1:35] council members and I would like

[1:36] to take this opportunity to

[1:38] highlight the contributions of

[1:39] the many volunteers who work in

[1:41] Pointe-Claire. Your actions make

[1:42] a profound difference in our

[1:45] community. The we thank you for

[1:47] your generosity and the time you

[1:49] devote to the city's various

[1:50] organizations and initiatives.

[1:54] Jour de la Terre. Les

[1:56] réservations sont en cours pour

[1:57] la distribution des arbres

[2:00] offerts dans le cadre du jour de

[2:02] la Terre. Vous avez jusqu'au 24

[2:05] avril pour réserver l'arbre que

[2:08] vous souhaitez planter sur votre

[2:11] propriété. Je vous invite à

[2:13] réserver votre arbre dès

[2:15] maintenant. Il s'agit d'une

[2:17] action concrète, conjointe de la

[2:21] ville et des citoyens pour

[2:23] l'environnement afin de

[2:24] maintenir la santé et la

[2:25] diversité de la canopée de notre

[2:28] territoire. Reservations are

[2:30] underway for the distribution of

[2:32] birthday trees. You have until

[2:34] April 24th through the tree you

[2:36] wish to plant on your property.

[2:38] I encourage you to reserve your

[2:40] tree now. This is a concrete

[2:42] joint action by the City and the

[2:44] citizens to support the

[2:46] environment and maintain the

[2:47] health and diversity of our

[2:48] regions canopy. Bon, maintenant,

[2:55] l'agenda, je pense.

[2:58] - Georges Laurier 1.1 Adoption

[2:59] de l'ordre du jour. Adoption of

[3:00] the agenda.

[3:01] >> Do I have a mover? Nous

[3:02] ailleurs

[3:08] >> Seconder?

[3:09] >> Eric Stork, district 1.

[3:12] >> All in favour?

[3:13] Question period.

[3:27] >> Good evening. What about the

[3:29] question? I have to know what

[3:31] about it?

[3:33] >> He didn't ask one if you

[3:34] don't know what you're going to

[3:35] ask, sir. Oh, you mean, the item

[3:38] on the agenda is the request to

[3:40] support from the Ministère des

[3:42] Affaires municipales et de

[3:45] l'Habitation, MAMH.

[3:46] >> In English, please.

[3:48] >> The request to get support

[3:50] from the MAMH, the higher level

[3:52] upper level of the provincial

[3:53] government to intervene with the

[3:56] trends -- and translating free

[3:58] flow here, the incongruence or

[4:01] the problematic's of

[4:02] Pointe-Claire politics. I'm

[4:04] giving you a very cursory

[4:06] analysis.

[4:07] >> Okay, but we know all the

[4:09] problems is with the previous

[4:11] City Council. They don't want to

[4:12] work with you, because they

[4:13] won't get the --

[4:16] >> Mister Nasr El Dabee, that is

[4:18] --

[4:19] >> Look, I'm a witness since the

[4:22] start as a mayor. All -- again

[4:25] is their policy, didn't want to

[4:31] accomplish your run for us, so

[4:33] they can't get back the previous

[4:35] one, the previous Mayor. That is

[4:37] very clear for all of us. I ask

[4:40] anyone in Pointe-Claire, that is

[4:42] what they say. Ask all of them,

[4:44] they are going to say the same

[4:45] thing.

[4:46] >> Not all of them.

[4:47] >> Sorry, I didn't finish. So

[4:49] please, before you start asking

[4:51] somebody to come from outside

[4:53] the city to manage our city, we

[4:56] elected all of you to manage our

[5:00] city. It's very clear what we

[5:03] need, the environment, to stop

[5:05] all the high rise building and

[5:06] have affordable house for a

[5:08] young family and future

[5:11] generations. That is what the

[5:13] previous people did for us. We

[5:16] have to care. You all have kids,

[5:18] and you don't have grandkids if

[5:20] they don't have affordable

[5:22] housing, what are they going to

[5:23] do? Money is not the reason. We

[5:28] have to stop thinking about

[5:30] ourself. We have to think about

[5:31] the next generation, please.

[5:34] >> Mr., El Dabee, do you have a

[5:36] question?

[5:37] >> That is why I'm asking, are

[5:38] you going to do, that are you

[5:39] going to get somebody from

[5:40] outside to manage our city?

[5:41] >> I will answer myself

[5:43] personally. I am going to do

[5:44] that, yes.

[5:45] >> So what is the --

[5:46] >> I can't speak for others.

[5:48] >> They hire some people from

[5:52] outside to bother you.

[5:53] >> Mr. El Dabee, I cannot answer

[5:56] for others. I will give them the

[5:58] opportunity to answer you, if

[5:59] they choose to do so. Eric?

[6:08] >> No comment.

[6:09] >> The next one?

[6:15] [Inaudible]

[6:19] >> And you, you hire someone to

[6:21] talk for you, he can talk now?

[6:23] >> No comment.

[6:25] >> Wow, that is good. The next

[6:27] one, please.

[6:31] [Inaudible]

[6:32] -- Going down the line.

[6:34] >> I offered you the

[6:36] opportunity. He's asking all of

[6:38] us as a Council to answer to why

[6:42] this is happening and whether we

[6:44] are going to continue to try to

[6:45] get along, I answered that yes

[6:47] indeed I would. And I suspect

[6:50] that what we are doing I think

[6:51] is unnecessary. But I have

[6:55] answered on my part, he's asking

[6:57] others to answer on their part.

[6:58] He is a citizen and I think he

[7:00] should be able to ask that.

[7:03] >> Sir, --

[7:08] >> Later I will make my comments

[7:09] when I

[7:10] [Inaudible]

[7:12] --

[7:13] [Inaudible]

[7:14] Prepared to comment after. I

[7:15] will say the exact same thing

[7:17] I'm going to --

[7:18] >> So we are supposed to be

[7:19] asking the question, after all

[7:21] of you are talking.

[7:22] >> Mr. El Dabee, you are allowed

[7:25] one preamble, he short preamble,

[7:27] into questions, but you are not

[7:30] respecting. You are calling

[7:31] people hey you, rather than

[7:33] address people politely. And you

[7:35] are expecting us to answer a

[7:37] very unclear question. This is

[7:39] not to bring somebody in to run

[7:40] the city. This resolution is to

[7:42] bring somebody in to give us

[7:45] tools in order to better

[7:49] function.

[7:50] >> But I'm witnessing, you're

[7:51] not doing the right job.

[7:54] >> Mister El Dabee --

[7:58] >> He's asking for help.

[7:59] >> I've never seen that before.

[8:01] And the previous Mayor, you all

[8:02] want him to be back. But we

[8:04] don't want him, because we want

[8:06] the mayor, who told us --

[8:12] >> Mr. El Dabee, that's not for

[8:16] me to decide. Mr. El Dabee, you

[8:20] have asked a question to all of

[8:22] Council and you're asking all of

[8:24] Council to respond, is that what

[8:25] you are trying to do?

[8:27] >> Yes, that is what I said.

[8:28] >> And Council just have to say

[8:29] if they choose not to, they

[8:31] choose not to, which is what we

[8:32] are doing. So would you like to

[8:37] --

[8:38] >> Please, can we have the

[8:39] question after all they have

[8:40] their comment, so at least we

[8:41] know all but you are going to

[8:42] say?

[8:43] >> No, question period is

[8:44] before, Mister El Dabee.

[8:46] Question period is before.

[8:47] >> I know, but we don't know

[8:48] what they are going to say.

[8:49] >> I agree.

[8:50] >> So we have to have the right

[8:52] answer.

[8:53] >> I agree, I don't enjoy that

[8:54] process either. But that is the

[8:56] way it is structured.

[8:57] >> Okay, I wish you all will and

[8:59] work altogether. That is what

[9:00] they elect you for. Please.

[9:03] >> Okay, El Dabee,. Line Conway?

[9:11] - Bonsoir. Good evening. So this

[9:15] meeting was a bit of a surprise

[9:16] because on the web page, the

[9:18] council web page, we really have

[9:22] to go for the general meetings,

[9:24] it shows up. But for the special

[9:26] meeting, we have to click and

[9:27] see and it's always a surprise

[9:29] to see that something pops up

[9:32] once in a while. Because 6.1 is

[9:37] the request for support from the

[9:40] Ministère des Affaires

[9:41] municipales et de l'Habitation,

[9:44] MAMH.,

[9:58] .,, -- To see what 6.1 was

[10:05] about. And there was no nothing.

[10:07] So you just said there's gonna

[10:09] be a resolution. And we know

[10:11] what the title of the resolution

[10:14] is, of the resolution, can you

[10:15] read the resolution to us?

[10:18] >> The title of the resolution,

[10:20] you want to have it? Request for

[10:22] support from the Ministère des

[10:23] Affaires municipales et de

[10:26] l'Habitation.

[10:27] >> So it's what's here? And

[10:28] what's the resolution?

[10:30] >> It will come after.

[10:32] >> But it's a question period,

[10:33] it's now.

[10:34] >> Yeah, like usual, as a usual

[10:36] meeting. We have a question

[10:38] period at the beginning of the

[10:39] meeting.

[10:40] >> I attend associated meetings

[10:42] every once in a while, usually

[10:44] there is context first. Then we

[10:48] can ask our questions, this is a

[10:50] bit odd.

[10:52] >> To the citizens don't have

[10:53] access to the resolution

[10:54] beforehand, before the meeting?

[10:56] Okay

[10:57] >> You can do that? Okay. Mayor

[11:00] Thomas, I support what you do,

[11:01] by the way, and my second

[11:03] question would be can you give

[11:04] us an example of what the

[11:07] minister would be able to do for

[11:09] us, an example of what you've

[11:11] lived through and what you might

[11:12] know what they might do for us

[11:13] in the city? Are we paying for

[11:16] this?

[11:17] >> Well, indirectly taxpayers

[11:19] pay for everything that's been

[11:20] done at a governmental level.

[11:22] >> So they go to charges for

[11:23] coming here?

[11:24] >> I don't know. Actually,

[11:25] that's a good question. Are we

[11:26] charge for it? No? Okay.

[11:29] >> Give us an example of what

[11:30] they might do.

[11:31] >> I don't know, I'm a first

[11:32] time mayor. I don't know what

[11:36] MAMH will do. One of the

[11:39] wording's intrigues me, the

[11:41] clause that intrigues me is that

[11:42] the municipal council asked the

[11:44] Ministry to identify the nature

[11:46] of the problems and propose an

[11:48] action plan to approve the

[11:50] general functioning of this city

[11:52] and offer the support of

[11:53] specialized services for its

[11:55] implementation. That, for me, is

[11:56] very broad. And the broadness of

[11:59] that makes me somewhat nervous.

[12:00] That sounds like more and then

[12:02] coming in and making us try to

[12:04] get along better. It sounds a

[12:06] little bit more serious than

[12:07] that. But I'm not professional

[12:08] nor a lawyer. But that clause

[12:11] itself seems to open our city up

[12:14] to governance at another level,

[12:16] and it concerns me. Excuse me,

[12:20] excuse me.

[12:22] - Madame, parlez-en anglais.

[12:26] C'est la langue de la question.

[12:28] On répond dans la langue de la

[12:29] question.

[12:30] - Je me demandais ce que je peux

[12:31] faire. Un exemple de ce qu'ils

[12:32] pourraient faire.

[12:33] - Excuse-moi, il n'y a pas de

[12:34] conversations. S'il vous plaît,

[12:36] continuez. Oui. Et c'est, on

[12:41] répond dans la langue de la

[12:45] personne qui pose la question.

[12:48] C'est normal, ça. C'est correct.

[12:50] Oui, Madame.

[12:51] - Vous avez dit qu'il va y avoir

[12:53] une résolution. C'est qui qui

[12:54] fait la résolution?

[12:56] - Bonne question. Pas moi.

[12:58] (rires)

[12:59] - Mais qui a fait tout ça?

[13:01] - C'est une bonne question.

[13:02] - Qui a mis la roue en marche

[13:03] pour ça?

[13:05] - On se demande qui a mis en

[13:07] marche la résolution. Aussi un

[13:09] mélange de personnes?

[13:10] - À 20 séances du conseil, il y

[13:11] a des projets de résolutions qui

[13:13] sont soumis au conseil. Le soir

[13:14] de la séance, c'est là où la

[13:16] résolution est adoptée. Nous, on

[13:18] fait un procès-verbal après. Une

[13:20] résolution, c'est une partie

[13:21] d'un procès-verbal. Le document,

[13:24] c'est un procès-verbal. La

[13:25] résolution comme telle, on a

[13:27] préparé un projet avant la

[13:28] séance. Ça se fait à travers les

[13:30] services. C'est le greffe qui

[13:32] finalise la résolution et c'est

[13:33] le greffe qui fait l'ordre du

[13:35] jour que vous avez entre les

[13:36] mains.

[13:38] - Depuis cette administration,

[13:40] j'ai vécu une autre fois où il y

[13:41] a une résolution, c'était le 9

[13:44] janvier de mai 23, c'était

[13:45] quatre membres du conseil qui

[13:46] ont fait la résolution. Là, je

[13:48] vais savoir il y a combien de

[13:49] membres du conseil qui ont fait

[13:50] la résolution?

[13:51] - Les membres du conseil peuvent

[13:53] proposer une résolution le soir

[13:54] même de la séance. Ça peut

[13:56] arriver. C'est tout à fait

[13:58] logique de le faire aussi. Nous,

[13:59] on prépare on avance, parce que

[14:01] la plupart des villes au Québec

[14:03] travaillent en avance pour

[14:05] proposer aux membres du conseil

[14:06] un texte. On a l'idée générale

[14:09] et l'administration rédige. Mais

[14:11] le conseil lui-même peut arriver

[14:13] le soir de la séance et déposé

[14:14] une résolution. Un des membres

[14:17] du conseil peut le faire de

[14:19] façon à sa propre initiative.

[14:20] - Là, je retourne à ma question

[14:22] originale. C'était qui qui a

[14:23] proposé la résolution? Quel

[14:26] membre du conseil?

[14:27] - Ce n'est pas un membre du

[14:28] conseil. En fait, le texte de la

[14:30] résolution a été préparée par

[14:32] l'administration, a été soumis

[14:33] aux membres du conseil pour

[14:34] qu'il l'approuve en prévision de

[14:35] la séance de ce soir.

[14:36] - Alors, c'est l'administration

[14:38] qui a décidé ça?

[14:40] - Oui, mais c'est ça que j'ai

[14:42] compris aussi.

[14:43] >> I'm going to be proposing it.

[14:44] - On n'a pas...

[14:45] - Les membres du conseil ont

[14:48] demandé... les membres du

[14:49] conseil étaient d'accord sur

[14:50] l'idée d'avoir cette

[14:51] résolution-là. Les membres du

[14:52] conseil ont demandé à

[14:54] l'administration de préparer un

[14:55] texte. Nous avons, Madame

[14:58] Verdon, préparer un texte de

[14:59] résolution qui a été soumis aux

[15:01] membres du conseil. C'est ça

[15:02] qu'ils ont ce soir pour prendre

[15:04] une décision, un texte qui a été

[15:06] préparée à l'avance par

[15:08] l'administration à leurs

[15:09] demandes.

[15:13] - Martin m'a, est-ce que vous

[15:14] faites partie du groupe du

[15:15] conseil qui a demandé ça?

[15:16] - Non. Non, merci. Nikki

[15:22] formula?

[15:26] [Silence]

[15:29] >> I am an educated woman, but

[15:31] I'm confused.

[15:32] >> Put the microphone up.

[15:37] >> People were phoning, we

[15:40] talked amongst each other. We

[15:43] knew nothing about this. And now

[15:46] you are explaining it a little

[15:47] bit as we ask questions. I will

[15:50] support what Line Conway said,

[15:53] it would be nice to be told what

[15:54] the resolution is, see what the

[15:56] comments are, see where your

[15:58] head is, and then we can ask

[16:00] intelligent questions. Now, we

[16:03] look like chickens with our

[16:04] heads cut off, running around

[16:06] and pretending to ask

[16:07] intelligent questions. Am I

[16:11] wrong?

[16:13] >> Okay guys, okay.

[16:15] >> So my question is why is a

[16:17] resolution not introduced to us,

[16:20] then we do the question period?

[16:22] Mister Mayor, you just said,

[16:24] well, that's the way the agenda

[16:25] is. Whose bright light was it

[16:28] who made the agenda this way?

[16:31] >> Is that your question?

[16:32] >> We don't know, we were not

[16:34] informed about what this is all

[16:35] about, and we are supposed to

[16:37] sit here and just swallow it

[16:38] again? We are getting snowed

[16:41] again? Sorry, I'm going to try

[16:42] to calm down, because I get a

[16:45] little upset over this. So my

[16:47] question, you said there would

[16:49] be no costs if someone comes in

[16:51] to help us.

[16:52] >> Apparently.

[16:54] >> But is this a fact or is this

[16:56] something we will see and then

[16:58] all of a sudden, well, our taxes

[17:00] might go up because somebody

[17:01] came in, and now we are in

[17:03] receivership and whatever else

[17:04] is going to happen, and we don't

[17:06] know about it?

[17:10] - Madame Verdon.

[17:13] >> You are sure there will be no

[17:15] cost about this, if somebody

[17:16] comes into help?

[17:18] >> For -- the will be no cost,

[17:19] and it's something the minister

[17:20] of our City will request, that

[17:21] kind of support.

[17:22] - Comment le ministère des

[17:23] Affaires municipales, non.

[17:27] >> Okay, thank you, that will

[17:28] make one. So if I understand

[17:31] correctly, correct me,

[17:33] councillors asked the admin for

[17:34] this resolution. Did I hear

[17:37] correctly?

[17:38] >> Yes.

[17:41] >> Yes, okay.

[17:44] >> --

[17:47] >> So if I may ask another

[17:49] question, can we hear about the

[17:50] resolution and then we can ask

[17:52] questions after?

[17:53] >> Unfortunately, it doesn't

[17:55] sound like we can. Can we do

[17:58] that? Can we get them to --

[18:02] C'est trop tard. The bylaw says

[18:06] no.

[18:07] >> The bylaw says no! Okay. Can

[18:11] somebody -- I just want to --

[18:14] >> Mr. El Dabee, could you

[18:15] excuse me, can we stop the

[18:18] conversation in the audience and

[18:19] know this, let Miss Fortier ask

[18:22] her last question.

[18:24] >> Can the bylaw be explain to

[18:26] me why this goes in this order

[18:27] and not reverse so we can ask

[18:29] intelligent questions after?

[18:30] >> I did not make, and so I can

[18:32] answer that question. I could

[18:34] ask Madam Thibault, can you ask

[18:37] why it is in such a format,

[18:39] where Madame Verdun?

[18:44] >> Yes, as a chair, you can ask

[18:46] to make the proposal to change

[18:48] the agenda. But we have already

[18:50] approved the agenda, so in order

[18:52] to change the question period,

[18:53] you would need to add the

[18:54] propositions to change the

[18:57] agenda, and make the question

[18:58] period before. But we made the

[19:00] agenda the same way we always

[19:01] make it.

[19:02] >> We've always made the agenda

[19:03] this way, absolutely. But there

[19:06] is a way to change that? That's

[19:08] very interesting.

[19:09] >> We adopt the agenda as is,

[19:11] but if you want to change it,

[19:12] you can adopt a resolution to

[19:14] change it.

[19:15] >> For the moment, but the

[19:17] resolution, what the citizen,

[19:19] from what I'm understanding

[19:20] here, they are asking to have

[19:22] heard and read and understood

[19:23] the resolution prior to --

[19:26] >> My understanding is they want

[19:28] to have the question period at

[19:29] the end of the meeting.

[19:31] >> We could, that's another way

[19:32] of getting around it. Do we want

[19:33] to have the question period at

[19:34] the end of the meeting? Do I

[19:36] have a mover? Do I have a mover?

[19:40] [Inaudible]

[19:42] >> Okay. So -- can we not change

[19:53] --

[19:54] >> I can add --

[19:55] >> The can we not have a mover

[19:56] to change to have question

[19:58] period at the end of the

[19:59] meeting? Can we not do that? Is

[20:00] that against for? Can I have a

[20:02] mover to put the question period

[20:04] at the end of the meeting?

[20:05] >> Sorry, Mister Mayor. As the

[20:07] lady right? Will you pass the

[20:09] resolution and then there is

[20:11] nothing we can say about it and

[20:12] just ask questions and support

[20:14] it?

[20:15] >> I'm not sure, Nikki.

[20:16] >> Or negate it?

[20:17] >> I'm not sure. I believe --

[20:20] I'm trying now to see if we can

[20:21] do that.

[20:22] >> I just want to be clear that

[20:23] we all understand.

[20:25] >> Absolutely.

[20:28] >> I think will be more clear as

[20:30] you hear resolutions tonight,

[20:32] and I highly suggest it would be

[20:33] more productive for any of you

[20:35] to reach out to the Councillor

[20:36] of your district, go for a

[20:38] coffee, have a one-on-one, and

[20:39] hear exactly why we did this.

[20:41] Because here having everyone

[20:43] scream at us when you don't know

[20:44] what we are trying to propose is

[20:46] not very useful either.

[20:47] >> No, then tell us, tell us. So

[20:51] give us permission after you do

[20:53] the resolution before you vote

[20:54] on it for us to comment on it.

[20:56] >> Let's have coffee, I will

[20:57] gladly meet with you.

[20:58] >> No, no, no, no, no. Mister

[21:01] Mayor, can you speak about the

[21:04] resolution, not vote on it, put

[21:05] a question period for us to ask

[21:07] the questions, and then you can

[21:09] vote on it?

[21:10] >> I would like to move that.

[21:13] I'm not sure if I can.

[21:15] Procedurally, can I move to have

[21:16] the question period occur after

[21:20] --

[21:21] >> Before the vote!

[21:24] >> After an explanation of what

[21:27] they are voting on, because can

[21:32] we make -- can you give them

[21:34] enough information that they can

[21:35] ask questions pertaining to what

[21:37] is occurring here in this

[21:39] meeting, which is the

[21:40] resolution? They want to speak

[21:42] -- they want to question the

[21:44] resolution, but they don't know

[21:45] it. So for me, is there any way

[21:47] procedurally we can circumvent

[21:48] this issue? Is there any way

[21:50] procedurally we can circumvent

[21:51] this issue?

[21:54] >> If everybody wants, I can

[21:56] read the resolution before. Do

[22:00] you want the council, that I

[22:03] read all of the resolutions, so

[22:05] everyone will understand the

[22:07] resolution and have their

[22:08] comments after?

[22:10] >> Is that okay? Okay, let's

[22:12] hear the resolution.

[22:14] >> I will read it in French and

[22:15] English after. Oui

[22:17] - Considérant que l'objectif des

[22:18] membres du conseil municipal de

[22:20] Pointe-Claire et de gouverner la

[22:22] ville...

[22:24] - Non, non.

[22:28] >> This is why we are doing

[22:29] this. - Considérant que

[22:30] l'objectif des membres du

[22:31] conseil municipal de

[22:32] Pointe-Claire et de gouverner la

[22:33] ville dans les meilleurs

[22:34] intérêts des citoyens et

[22:35] citoyennes de Pointe-Claire.

[22:37] Considérant qu'il devient

[22:38] difficile de faire avancer le

[22:40] projet de la ville lorsque le

[22:41] climat est tendu. Considérant

[22:42] qu'un fonctionnement optimal des

[22:44] instances démocratiques repose

[22:45] notamment sur le respect du rôle

[22:47] de chaque personne. Considérant

[22:49] que le conseil souhaite que le

[22:52] règlement PC 27, 12 de

[22:55] Pointe-Claire soient respectés.

[22:56] Concernant l'attitude du

[22:57] personnel face à leurs

[22:58] dynamiques présentes au conseil

[22:59] municipal. Considérant que le

[23:00] climat de travail parfois

[23:01] difficile à la Ville ne peut

[23:02] être attribuable à une seule

[23:03] personne ou un groupe d'élus,

[23:05] mais qu'il s'agit plutôt d'une

[23:06] responsabilité collective. Il

[23:08] est proposé par et appuyées de

[23:10] demander au ministère des

[23:11] Affaires municipales et de

[23:13] l'habitation d'accompagner, via

[23:14] son cadre d'intervention en

[23:16] matière d'avis de soutien aux

[23:17] municipalités en gestion

[23:18] municipale, la ville dans la

[23:20] recherche de solutions à cette

[23:21] situation complexe. Que le

[23:23] conseil municipal demande au

[23:24] ministère d'identifier la nature

[23:25] des problématiques et proposer

[23:27] un plan d'action pour améliorer

[23:28] le fonctionnement général de la

[23:29] ville et offrir le soutien du

[23:31] service spécialisé pour

[23:32] l'implantation de celui-ci,

[23:34] d'autoriser la directrice

[23:35] générale et, en son absence, le

[23:36] directeur général adjoint, à

[23:37] signer pour et au nom de la

[23:38] Ville de Pointe-Claire tous

[23:40] documents utiles et nécessaires

[23:41] afin de donner plein effet à la

[23:43] résolution... présente

[23:44] résolution.

[23:45] - Madame Verdon. Without meeting

[23:48] to be rude, could you prop slow

[23:50] down a little in the

[23:51] presentation side, so that they

[23:52] can understand?

[23:53] >> She's about to do it in

[23:54] English.

[23:55] >> Just that was very quick, and

[23:56] I found, that I was trying to

[23:57] understand it, it was going a

[23:58] little quick. -- The objective

[24:04] of the members of the

[24:05] Pointe-Claire City Council is to

[24:07] govern it in the best interest

[24:08] of the -- concern is becoming

[24:11] difficult to advance the city

[24:12] project when the climate is

[24:14] tense, concerned that the

[24:15] optimal functioning of the

[24:16] democratic body depends on

[24:18] respect of the role of each

[24:20] individual, concerns that the

[24:22] Council wishes to point call

[24:25] bylaw P C 20 7:12 respected,

[24:28] concerning the staff's --

[24:29] current dynamic at City Council,

[24:31] Councillor that the City --

[24:34] difficult work climate cannot be

[24:36] attributed to a single interval,

[24:37] group, for official, but as

[24:39] rather a collective

[24:40] responsibility, is proposed by

[24:42] us again to recognize the --

[24:46] within the framework of the

[24:48] interpretation for assistance

[24:49] and supporting municipalities

[24:51] and municipal management, assist

[24:53] the city and finding solutions

[24:55] that is to this complex

[24:57] situation, that the municipal

[24:58] council has the Ministry to

[25:00] advance the nature of the

[25:02] parliament and propose an action

[25:03] plan to improve the general

[25:04] functioning of the city and

[25:06] offer the support of -- services

[25:08] for implementation, to authorize

[25:10] the city manager in her absence,

[25:12] the assistant city manager, to

[25:14] sign in the name of the city of

[25:16] Pointe-Claire all documents

[25:17] necessary to give full effect to

[25:19] the present resolution.

[25:23] >> Okay, so Madam Fournier,

[25:29] would you like one last question

[25:30] now that you've heard that, or

[25:33] -- no, apparently that is not

[25:35] going to happen. It is all going

[25:36] to get answered. Everybody is

[25:39] going to have something to

[25:41] prepare, prepared speech when we

[25:43] get to the vote. No, you can't

[25:48] answer -- you have to ask to ask

[25:50] a question. If people have

[25:52] subsequent questions, who do

[25:53] they speak to if they want to

[25:54] get on the list?

[25:57] >> Just say their name, and I

[25:58] will take it down.

[25:59] >> Okay, do they speak to you,

[26:02] Madam Gutierrez? But if there

[26:04] are others who want to get on

[26:05] the list, how do they do so?

[26:09] >> -- And there's no one else

[26:11] who signed up.

[26:12] [Inaudible]

[26:16] --

[26:17] >> Are there -- okay.

[26:18] [Inaudible]

[26:22] French and English what is being

[26:24] tossed out by now so that -- you

[26:32] really can't do this.

[26:35] >> That was my question, how

[26:38] come the resolution was not

[26:39] available to us when we came in?

[26:41] >> Excuse me, sir. Excuse me.

[26:44] >> Is there a possibility --

[26:45] >> Excuse me, sir.

[26:47] >> Madame Verdun, is there a

[26:50] possibility that the resolution

[26:52] is copied and distributed so we

[26:54] can look at it as people talk

[26:57] and make notes for ourselves,

[26:59] like we normally have a

[27:01] document, is that possible that

[27:02] we have it duplicated now

[27:04] somewhere, the facilities are

[27:06] here and then the latest that we

[27:09] have it in our hands, is that

[27:14] possible?

[27:18] >> I can remember a student

[27:19] meeting, and I'm new to the

[27:20] process, but actually member we

[27:21] did, somebody actually has to

[27:23] have it in two languages and we

[27:24] did start to produce something

[27:26] in two languages.

[27:27] >> This was a bylaw, not a

[27:29] project of revolution. Because

[27:30] this is not official, because

[27:31] you have to vote on before. So.

[27:40] So we don't have it in our hot

[27:41] little hands, that was my

[27:44] question. Okay, well, there are

[27:47] a lot of things that was, said

[27:48] and I don't know we should ask

[27:50] questions, now or I should let

[27:51] you speak. I'm lost. Please

[27:53] guide, me because we have a lot

[27:54] of comments, but I'm not sure I

[27:56] should make them before you

[27:57] talk, because --

[27:59] >> Well, you won't have another

[28:00] chance to speak.

[28:01] >> When we have a chance again?

[28:02] >> Do they have a chance to

[28:04] speak? --

[28:07] >> Not the vote.

[28:08] >> Mister Mayor, you are the

[28:09] chair.

[28:10] >> I'm asking, procedurally.

[28:11] >> Yeah, if you want to make

[28:13] some change, yeah, to propose to

[28:15] your -- minister of Council.

[28:16] >> So I propose, and I try to do

[28:18] this earlier, that we allowed to

[28:20] have a question period after.

[28:23] >> Before the vote.

[28:24] >> Before the vote.

[28:26] >> After the councillors have

[28:27] spoken.

[28:28] >> No, not before the vote.

[28:29] After the vote, yes. But not

[28:31] before the vote.

[28:33] >> Well, you just tell me

[28:34] before, why don't I go sit with

[28:35] my councillor and talk about it?

[28:38] What's the difference of all of

[28:39] us talking about it with all of

[28:41] you now? For clarity, all we are

[28:44] looking for, correct me if I'm

[28:46] wrong, is clarity, that's all.

[28:48] >> I understand.

[28:49] >> This is very confusing, and

[28:51] it looks like, again, it's a

[28:53] muddy situation, we are just

[28:55] going to get snowed and whatever

[28:56] comes in. I'm not saying it's --

[28:59] >> Madam Fournier, people will

[29:01] present their point of view,

[29:03] subsequently, after the fact,

[29:04] and we get to the issue, and you

[29:05] will hear everybody's stance.

[29:07] And you will hear what everybody

[29:08] has to say. And you can ask the

[29:11] next council meeting, you can

[29:12] come up and speak to it, if you

[29:13] like.

[29:14] >> But by then, it will be

[29:15] voted, and the people might be

[29:16] here, correct? Okay, thank you.

[29:21] Linda Dumas? Pass, okay..

[29:31] It's a case, or you've had your

[29:33] -- mister El Dabee, you've had

[29:34] your question. Can Mr. El Dabee

[29:38] have a subsequent question?

[29:42] >> Mrs. Weaver wanted to ask a

[29:44] question also.

[29:54] >> I am terribly disappointed in

[29:58] what I guess should be a

[30:00] democratic process. What are we?

[30:03] 40,000 people? I was called last

[30:05] night because there is a special

[30:08] meeting. I did get something

[30:11] from -- that said it was a

[30:13] special meeting, not knowing

[30:16] what this is about. Yes, Madam

[30:22] veteran, wonderful, but none of

[30:24] us, even though my hearing is --

[30:27] >> Madame Dumas, can you speak

[30:31] into the microphone?

[30:32] >> We need those papers if you

[30:33] want a, as intelligent

[30:39] processing members of the

[30:40] community to be with you, we

[30:43] vote, we voted for a mayor and

[30:45] councillors, so a year and a

[30:47] half ago, another year and a

[30:49] half. I may have it all wrong

[30:53] that, well, we do know it's not

[30:57] hidden, it's not under the

[30:59] table, it's not a secret. The

[31:02] loading that goes on here, the

[31:05] wish that Mayor Thomas never was

[31:09] elected. Mister Bissonnette,

[31:13] 2006, you were here, I spent all

[31:16] day going through bylaws, 2006,

[31:19] et cetera. Anyway, it appears to

[31:23] be such shambles. We, as

[31:27] constituents, just down to have

[31:29] a chance to be a part of the

[31:33] democratic process. What you've

[31:36] read in French and English was

[31:37] not a very long. It could have

[31:39] been photocopy'd, or photocopy'd

[31:43] before -- at some point, so we

[31:46] could read it. It seems to be

[31:49] tremendously hopeless, and,

[31:52] Kelly, we have nothing to say to

[31:53] one another, unfortunately.

[31:56] >> I live across the street for

[31:57] me, we could have a coffee

[31:59] anytime, honestly. You don't

[32:01] want to talk to me, but you want

[32:02] to be informed. No problem.

[32:04] >> Excuse me, Madame Dumas --

[32:08] >> A five-year change.

[32:10] >> Okay. Okay, now, you can ask

[32:19] --

[32:20] (inaudible)

[32:21] >> After Mrs. Weaver, sorry.

[32:23] >> After hearing the resolution,

[32:24] I think it's reasonable enough

[32:27] that no one is mentioned here.

[32:30] It's best to try to get along as

[32:32] much as possible. I've gone to a

[32:34] lot of council meetings for

[32:36] almost, I guess, 14, 12, 14

[32:39] years, and I never agreed with

[32:41] everything. I will tell you that

[32:42] right now. I have walked out. In

[32:45] the end, it's not really about

[32:46] me, okay? It is about the city.

[32:49] Maybe we have to try to get

[32:51] along. Other places are --

[32:55] >> Okay. Did you have a

[32:57] question, Miss Weaver?

[33:01] (inaudible)

[33:02] Can Mr. Aldo be have another

[33:05] question?

[33:06] >> After, if we have time.

[33:13] >> Good evening, everybody,

[33:15] Mister Mayor, council members,

[33:17] fellow citizens. I am happy to

[33:19] have the opportunity to be at

[33:21] the special meeting tonight.

[33:22] Thank you, Madam Verdon, for

[33:25] taking the time to read, it for

[33:27] everybody in English and in

[33:28] French in this tense climate. My

[33:30] question would be, have we ever

[33:33] seen this request come forth for

[33:36] our intervention to improve the

[33:37] status of the functioning of our

[33:40] council members with the mayor,

[33:41] and if we have, have we seen

[33:44] good results from this?

[33:48] >> Are you being specific to

[33:50] Pointe-Claire --

[33:51] >> Pointe-Claire or --

[33:53] >> I don't know, has this ever

[33:54] been done before in

[33:57] Pointe-Claire? No?

[33:59] >> Not that I --

[34:00] >> This has never been done

[34:01] before in Pointe-Claire.

[34:02] >> Okay. Do we have information

[34:04] in terms of the company, how it

[34:07] works, if it's been done

[34:08] previously outside of

[34:09] Pointe-Claire?

[34:10] >> It is a provincial

[34:12] government. It's been done

[34:14] before for sure. There are lots

[34:16] of examples of what they've done

[34:20] in the past -- good question, I

[34:24] don't know the results of the

[34:25] success, I don't know if anyone

[34:27] has ever tabulated the success

[34:29] rates. It's a very interesting

[34:32] statistic. I'd like to see it if

[34:34] somebody had --

[34:35] >> We've all seen, we are new to

[34:38] Pointe-Claire, attending

[34:39] meetings and we are grateful to

[34:40] have the opportunity to be here.

[34:42] We have seen, unfortunately,

[34:45] some of the happenstance, how

[34:47] things are going. For me, I'd be

[34:49] hopeful that if this is a move

[34:51] from council members, we would

[34:53] see the fruits of this effort

[34:56] when we continue to come to

[34:57] meetings that we can have good

[34:59] meetings, and fruitful meetings.

[35:01] >> So, your concern is with the

[35:03] meetings and not the operation

[35:04] of the city?

[35:06] >> It kind of -- if this is how

[35:08] we are functioning in meetings

[35:10] where, us, as citizens, are

[35:12] participating, how can we expect

[35:13] it's better behind the scenes?

[35:15] >> Because it is. It absolutely

[35:17] is.

[35:18] >> We are not there.

[35:19] >> You don't know otherwise

[35:20] either.

[35:21] >> I don't, but --

[35:22] >> But I do. I will tell you

[35:23] right now, the city is actually

[35:24] the people who come in and work

[35:26] for the City, they do it with

[35:28] goodwill, enjoy their jobs, for

[35:30] the most part, and enjoy what

[35:31] they do, and they do them well.

[35:33] I see it every day. From one of

[35:36] my biggest -- one of the things

[35:37] I am most perplexed about this

[35:39] process, there is some

[35:43] uncertainty about that. If you

[35:45] look at how the City operates,

[35:47] the staff, directors, everybody,

[35:50] top to bottom, this city runs

[35:52] like a good machine. It is not

[35:53] in disarray. It is a good

[35:55] machine, it runs very well. I

[35:56] see it on a daily basis. We are

[35:58] not in a crisis moment. What you

[36:01] see at the political level is

[36:03] more symbolic and representative

[36:05] of the entire city, that is for

[36:07] sure. I see it on a daily basis.

[36:09] I see more of it than anybody

[36:11] else.

[36:12] >> Okay, thank you very much.

[36:14] For us, it's hard to know

[36:15] because we are not a part of

[36:16] that. Thank you so much.

[36:17] >> Okay. Can Mr. El Dabee have

[36:23] his final question? For Mr. El

[36:25] Dabee, a question.

[36:26] >> Yes.

[36:27] >> Okay.

[36:30] >> Everybody is confused about

[36:32] the resolution. Can we make that

[36:39] meeting, next meeting, with the

[36:41] resolution written so everybody

[36:42] can know what is going on before

[36:44] we start the meeting? As usual?

[36:46] >> I think we can do that. Can

[36:48] we not have this resolution

[36:49] prepared for next meeting?

[36:50] >> This specific resolution?

[36:53] Yes, of course.

[36:54] >> Before voting, before

[36:55] anything --

[36:56] >> Not before we are voting, we

[36:57] having the vote, Mr. El Dabee.

[36:59] You can get a copy for next

[37:00] meeting.

[37:01] >> No, we want to know before we

[37:03] start voting so --

[37:04] >> No.

[37:05] >> That is what everybody wants.

[37:06] >> I know that. I feel badly --

[37:08] >> The city, we elect you to get

[37:11] the information --

[37:12] >> I have asked, Mister El

[37:14] Dabee, I have asked for that.

[37:16] Apparently we can't do. That I

[37:17] have already asked.

[37:18] >> The citizens --

[37:19] >> Mr. El Dabee, I have asked

[37:21] and that is not going to happen.

[37:24] Thank you --

[37:25] >> So --

[37:26] >> Thank you.

[37:27] >> So --

[37:28] >> Thank you, Mister El Dabee.

[37:29] >> One second --

[37:30] >> Mr. -- mister El Dabee.

[37:34] >> Yes? What are the rules?

[37:41] There are subsequent questions

[37:43] allowed, or they're not? In

[37:44] question period?

[37:45] >> You chair the meeting, you

[37:48] have the right to accept.

[37:49] >> One more, Miss Conway.

[37:52] >> I would like to know what

[37:54] could the mechanism be in place

[37:57] to, and this process, to --

[38:01] >> One, how, who decides when

[38:04] this stops, and how long might

[38:06] it last, and what is the

[38:08] decision about when it stops?

[38:09] Who decides that? What is the

[38:11] process for that?

[38:12] >> What is the process? Madame

[38:14] Verdon?

[38:15] >> The Ministry that will decide

[38:16] the process. They will decide

[38:20] when it stops.

[38:21] >> How long, normally, does

[38:24] MAMH, do they stay in the city,

[38:26] how long do they conduct their

[38:29] operations? I'm curious to know.

[38:30] I think it's a good question.

[38:32] >> It will depend on the planet

[38:34] will do, so I can't answer that

[38:36] question now.

[38:37] >> Okay.

[38:38] >> Could be a question of weeks,

[38:41] months? Hopefully not years. It

[38:45] has been done elsewhere before.

[38:48] >> Only a year and a half left,

[38:50] and it hopefully won't be years.

[38:55] >> What does that joke? I don't

[38:57] appreciate the joke --

[38:58] >> There's only a year and a

[38:59] half left, so hopefully we can

[39:01] resolve this much before that

[39:02] time. Essentially, all that

[39:05] Council is asking for is to have

[39:07] the help that is being offered

[39:08] by the minister who oversees

[39:11] municipal affairs to give us

[39:13] tools and to come in, assess the

[39:15] issues, and help us work

[39:17] together towards resolving

[39:19] issues. What happens is, things

[39:21] get bogged down, things don't

[39:23] advance as quickly, necessarily,

[39:25] as they could. In public

[39:28] meetings, as you have seen,

[39:29] things can go awry quite easily,

[39:31] et cetera. All this resolution

[39:34] is saying is that there is a

[39:37] tense climate, there have been

[39:38] issues, we have taken multiple

[39:40] steps to try to resolve these

[39:42] issues throughout the term. That

[39:44] hasn't worked. This help is

[39:46] offered by the Ministry, so we

[39:47] are requesting they come in and

[39:49] offer us the help. We don't know

[39:51] what they are going to do

[39:52] because they have to come in and

[39:54] observe, assess the situation,

[39:55] and then they will decide what

[39:59] tools, what mechanisms, et

[40:00] cetera, need to be put in place.

[40:03] It will help us move forward in

[40:05] the best way possible. There

[40:09] isn't much to the resolution in

[40:10] and of itself, it basically just

[40:13] says we are not functioning at

[40:15] our optimal, and we would like

[40:18] help from the minister, and

[40:19] outside sources, to give us the

[40:21] tool so we can function in a

[40:23] better way for the rest of the

[40:24] term.

[40:25] >> Thank you.

[40:26] >> Miss Conway?

[40:27] >> Thank you for articulating

[40:29] that.

[40:30] >> If I can just, I will read

[40:31] you a clause of the resolution.

[40:33] The municipal council asked the

[40:35] Ministry to identify the nature

[40:37] of the problems that propose an

[40:38] action plan to improve the

[40:40] general functioning of the city,

[40:42] and offer the support of

[40:44] specialized services for its

[40:46] implementation. So, take that as

[40:48] you wish. That, for me, allows

[40:50] an awful lot of latitude, in my

[40:52] opinion, which could be good and

[40:55] could be bad. It does offer an

[40:57] awful lot of latitude.

[40:58] >> Tara, to continue on that

[41:00] line of thought, in your vision,

[41:02] by the question of weeks, a few

[41:05] months?

[41:07] >> I can't really answer that

[41:08] because I am not in that

[41:10] position at the Ministry. I

[41:12] don't know what their process

[41:14] is. We know that we can ask for

[41:16] help. That is what we've done.

[41:18] We don't know the decisions they

[41:20] will make, or the things they

[41:23] will recommend. I don't even

[41:25] know if they will answer us

[41:27] within two, three weeks. I don't

[41:29] know, we don't know any of that.

[41:31] I would have to pass the

[41:32] resolution so we can make the

[41:35] request.

[41:36] >> Maybe it will be a good thing

[41:37] after all if they can follow our

[41:43] bylaws, and one developers get

[41:45] permits, they will be forced to

[41:47] follow the bylaws. That could be

[41:48] a good thing. Thank you.

[41:50] >> Okay.

[41:53] >> Louise boomer was next on the

[41:55] list.

[41:56] >> Thank you.

[42:02] >> I'm going to make this short

[42:03] and sweet. Obviously, all been

[42:06] want is transparency, which has

[42:09] not been here for this so-called

[42:12] or solution. You are going to

[42:14] pass a resolution, and then you

[42:16] are asking us, afterwards, do

[42:18] you have questions. It's been

[42:21] obvious there's been a lot of

[42:24] dysfunction, with this council.

[42:27] Please, can you respect each

[42:28] other and us and work together,

[42:30] and not giving up on each other?

[42:34] That is all I ask, transparency,

[42:37] please. Really, this is

[42:40] nonsense. Thank you.

[42:42] >> Albert?

[42:53] >> I have a question on -- thank

[42:57] you. A question on the process

[43:00] if this resolution is passed and

[43:02] you get the assistance of the

[43:05] Ministry, does the Ministry

[43:07] you've been describing give you,

[43:09] coaching new to work better

[43:12] together and some sort of

[43:13] counselling that you are

[43:15] getting, do they have the

[43:17] authority to impose structures

[43:19] on you after, as part of their

[43:23] report?

[43:24] >> They do.

[43:25] >> They do?

[43:26] >> Yes.

[43:27] >> Okay, so you are going to

[43:29] push all the money out and make

[43:31] the bed.

[43:32] >> I am not pushing that money

[43:34] out. Councillor Stork?

[43:36] >> I think the proper reply is

[43:39] we don't know exactly what

[43:40] they're going to. Do they will

[43:41] come and look, assess the

[43:44] situation, and I'm hoping, or

[43:48] understanding that they will

[43:49] probably speak to people. They

[43:50] might decide to speak to

[43:51] citizens. I don't know. There is

[43:53] a full spectrum of what might

[43:55] happen. They might come in, say

[43:57] it's not bad, you just have to

[43:58] learn to get a longer bit

[44:00] better. You have a job to do.

[44:02] You know, and leave. They might

[44:03] come back and say there is a

[44:05] serious problem, and worst-case

[44:07] an area is a trusteeship, which

[44:09] I don't think will happen. We

[44:11] don't know. We are --

[44:14] >> Councillor Stork, Councillor

[44:17] Stainforth, would you like to

[44:18] speak? Part of the issue is the

[44:22] proper procedures should be

[44:23] followed, and people should not

[44:25] intervene. There is a chair, and

[44:27] in order to keep the quorum in a

[44:29] meeting, and prevent debates at

[44:32] Council, we have an order of

[44:34] people speaking.

[44:35] >> Yes, Councillor Stainforth?

[44:38] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor.

[44:40] Sorry, Eric. The body that will

[44:44] come in cannot put us into

[44:47] trusteeship. They will

[44:48] recommend, if they think that it

[44:50] is very bad, then it goes, it's

[44:53] recommended to a different body

[44:55] at which point other steps are

[44:57] taken.

[44:58] >> Basically a stage one

[45:00] intervention?

[45:01] >> This is a stage one

[45:02] intervention.

[45:03] >> Thank you very much.

[45:04] >> And, Mr. Eskenazi, if I could

[45:07] add to that, my comment on

[45:09] Councillor Stork's response, if

[45:10] you don't know what they are

[45:12] going to do, why are we giving

[45:13] it, and why are we putting the

[45:15] city at risk?

[45:17] >> That was my metaphor.

[45:22] >> Keith Kelly?

[45:32] >> Short and sweet, I'm a

[45:35] longtime citizen of

[45:36] Pointe-Claire, sat in many

[45:38] council meetings. We have a

[45:40] council group here today, many

[45:42] of them have been here for many

[45:44] years, and have done a great

[45:46] job. Pointe-Claire has moved

[45:48] along very, very well, there are

[45:50] stumbling blocks at times, but

[45:52] they get fixed. My last six

[45:56] months of meetings here are

[45:58] atrocious. There is a problem,

[46:00] and I am sure this group is

[46:04] coming in from Québec that will

[46:06] resolve it, hit the nail on the

[46:07] head, and will fix things up.

[46:10] That's it, thank you.

[46:11] >> Mr. Kelly, just to point

[46:13] something out, during the last

[46:17] mandate, prior to mine, during

[46:19] the last administration, I

[46:21] witnessed 500 people in a room

[46:23] in anger and irate, and I

[46:26] watched people get thrown out of

[46:28] Council on a regular basis. I

[46:30] watched a very upset community,

[46:32] which actually led, eventually,

[46:35] to a different election. The

[46:37] election resulted. I saw rancor

[46:39] and discord in the last

[46:42] administration that involved far

[46:44] more people, and far more people

[46:46] getting upset, particularly over

[46:48] the pioneer issue, where a

[46:50] roomful of 500 people were

[46:52] shocked and dismayed. Mr. Kelly,

[46:54] it is not for you to tell me

[46:56] want to stop speaking from the

[46:58] audience. So, just to put things

[47:01] in a comparative perspective, I

[47:04] remember, it because I was a

[47:05] citizen during that period, and

[47:06] that is why I run for office, so

[47:09] we did not have that kind of

[47:11] thing happening again. We

[47:12] haven't had that kind of thing

[47:13] happening again. You don't have

[47:14] 500 people in a room screaming,

[47:17] yelling, very upset at the

[47:18] outcomes. So, if you want to get

[47:21] comparative, we can take it a

[47:23] long way. You are welcome, Mr.

[47:24] Kelly. Thank you for the

[47:26] opportunity to answer that

[47:27] question. Are there --

[47:30] >> No more names.

[47:31] >> No more? Okay. So -- 6.1.

[47:39] - 6.1 Demande d'accompagnement

[47:40] du Ministère des Affaires

[47:41] municipales et de l'Habitation

[47:42] (MAMH)

[47:43] . 6.1, Request for support from

[47:44] the Ministère des Affaires

[47:45] municipales et de l'Habitation

[47:50] >> Should we read it over again?

[47:52] >> Want me to read --

[47:53] >> We can do it again

[47:54] >> You want me to read again?

[47:56] >> A little more slowly

[47:57] >> No problem.

[48:06] (---)

[48:07] Dans le meilleur intérêt des

[48:08] citoyens et citoyennes de

[48:09] Pointe-Claire. Considérant qu'il

[48:10] devient difficile de faire

[48:11] avancer le projet de la ville

[48:12] lorsque le climat est tendu.

[48:13] Considérant qu'un fonctionnement

[48:14] optimal des instances

[48:15] démocratiques repose notamment

[48:16] sur le respect du rôle de chaque

[48:18] personne. Considérant que le

[48:19] conseil souhaite que le

[48:22] règlement PC 27-12 de

[48:23] Pointe-Claire soit respectée.

[48:25] Considérant l'inquiétude du

[48:26] personnel face à la dynamique

[48:27] présente au conseil municipal.

[48:29] Considérant que le climat de

[48:30] travail parfois difficile à la

[48:31] Ville ne peut être attribuée à

[48:32] une seule personne ou un groupe

[48:34] d'élus, mais qu'il s'agit plutôt

[48:35] d'une responsabilité collective.

[48:36] Il est proposé par et appuyées

[48:38] de demander au ministère des

[48:39] Affaires municipales et de

[48:41] l'habitation d'accompagner, via

[48:42] son cadre d'intervention en

[48:43] matière d'aide et de soutien aux

[48:45] municipalités en gestion

[48:46] municipale, la ville dans la

[48:47] recherche de solutions à cette

[48:49] situation complexe. Que le

[48:50] conseil municipal demande au

[48:51] ministère d'identifier la nature

[48:52] des problématiques et proposent

[48:54] un plan d'action pour améliorer

[48:55] le fonctionnement général de la

[48:57] ville et offrir le service... le

[48:59] soutien de services spécialisés

[49:01] pour l'implantation de celle-ci,

[49:02] d'autoriser la directrice

[49:04] générale ou, en son absence, le

[49:05] directeur général adjoint à

[49:06] signer pour et au nom de la

[49:07] Ville de Pointe-Claire tous

[49:08] documents utiles et nécessaires

[49:10] à mettre en effet la présente

[49:12] résolution. Considering the

[49:15] objective of the members of the

[49:16] Pointe-Claire City Council is to

[49:18] govern the city in the best

[49:19] interest of the citizens of

[49:20] Pointe-Claire. It's become

[49:21] difficult to advance the city

[49:23] project on the -- considering

[49:26] the optimal functioning of the

[49:27] democratic bodies depends in

[49:29] particular on respect of the

[49:30] role of each individual,

[49:33] considering that the Council

[49:34] wishes to Pointe-Claire bylaw PC

[49:37] 27-12 respected, considering the

[49:39] staff concern about the current

[49:41] pandemic at the City Council,

[49:42] considering that the City --

[49:45] where it's climate cannot be

[49:46] attributed to a single

[49:48] individual, group of elected

[49:49] officials, but is rather a

[49:51] collective responsibility this

[49:54] proposed but -- to request the

[49:58] Ministère des Affaires

[49:59] municipales et de l'Habitation

[50:00] within the framework of the

[50:01] intervention for assistance and

[50:02] support in municipalities and

[50:04] municipal management assist the

[50:05] city in finding solutions of

[50:07] this complex situation, that the

[50:09] Municipal consign has ministry

[50:12] -- nature of the problem and

[50:13] propose an action plan to

[50:14] improve the general functioning

[50:16] of the city, and offer the

[50:18] support and special services

[50:19] with implementations to -- city

[50:23] manager in absence, assistant

[50:24] city managers to sign for in the

[50:26] name of the city of

[50:27] Pointe-Claire, all documents

[50:29] necessary to give full effect to

[50:31] the present resolution

[50:33] - Merci, Madame Verdon.

[50:34] >> Thank you very much for that.

[50:35] I appreciate it. Pour la

[50:38] raquette de support pour le

[50:39] ministre des Affaires

[50:40] municipales et de l'habitation,

[50:41] MAMH. For support Ministère des

[50:42] Affaires municipales et de

[50:43] l'Habitation, MAMH, do I have a

[50:44] mover?

[50:45] >> Yes, Kelly Thorstad-Cullen,

[50:46] district three.

[50:47] >> Seconder?

[50:49] >> Paul Bissonnette, district 2.

[50:50] >> Before proceeding, I think we

[50:51] should allow those who would

[50:52] like to speak to the resolution.

[50:56] We will start with Councillor

[50:59] Cowan from district 8 and work

[51:00] our way down.

[51:02] >> Thank you. The lady said you

[51:06] want transparency, you do, and

[51:08] we do, everybody wants

[51:10] transparency. You have said also

[51:13] that this is nonsense. It is

[51:16] nonsense. That is the whole

[51:17] point. We are trying to get

[51:19] through that. If you don't

[51:21] understand what's going on,

[51:23] there is a problem. We are all

[51:25] trying to find a solution to

[51:27] that problem. The solution that

[51:32] we, Council, is contemplating,

[51:33] the resolution before us right

[51:35] now to vote on, is to ask for

[51:38] help because we are unable to

[51:40] get to the answer ourselves. We

[51:42] are unable to provide you with

[51:44] transparency, provide you with

[51:45] the end to the nonsense. That is

[51:47] what we are reaching out to the

[51:48] Ministry to do, that is what

[51:51] that branch of the ministry is

[51:53] there for. You have seen in the

[51:55] news, this is not this kind of

[51:58] problem not unique to

[51:59] Pointe-Claire. It is endemic

[52:01] across the province, something

[52:03] like 700 and more city elected

[52:07] officials across the province

[52:08] who have resigned since the

[52:10] election of 2021 because of this

[52:11] kind of thing. If you want to be

[52:14] governed, we've got to be able

[52:16] to do this better. We are trying

[52:19] our best to do it better. We

[52:22] need help. That's what we've

[52:23] decided. That is the motion

[52:25] before us now. If decision --

[52:29] yes, the administration of the

[52:31] City is working very well,

[52:33] garbage is getting picked, up

[52:34] there are some complaints, snow

[52:36] gets removed, there are get

[52:38] complaints. The city works. It

[52:41] takes over. The big decisions

[52:43] aren't happening very well. The

[52:44] big decisions aren't happening

[52:46] well that filter down. If

[52:48] decision-making and

[52:49] implementation of those

[52:50] decisions were working well, you

[52:52] would see it reflected up here.

[52:54] What you see reflected here is

[52:56] reflecting something else in the

[52:58] administration. In the

[53:00] management of the whole city. I

[53:02] mean, you know this as an issue,

[53:04] we know it, and they know it. We

[53:07] have got to do better. For that

[53:09] reason, I'm going to be

[53:10] supporting this resolution.

[53:12] Thank you.

[53:15] >> Excuse me, if we could

[53:16] refrain from talking when the

[53:18] councillors are speaking.

[53:22] Councillor Cousineau?

[53:25] - Merci, Monsieur le Maire, de

[53:26] me donner la parole. Dans mes

[53:29] notes, je dis, sans prétendre

[53:32] savoir où connaître le résultat

[53:33] de cet exercice, je crois que

[53:36] c'est absolument nécessaire. Et

[53:39] ma responsabilité est de tenter

[53:41] d'ajuster le ton du déroulement

[53:43] des séances.

[53:47] >> An English. Without

[53:49] pretending to know the result of

[53:51] this exercise, I believe it is

[53:53] my responsibility to try to

[53:56] reinstate the tone of public

[53:58] meetings. Thank you.

[54:02] >> Councillor Stainforth?

[54:06] - Merci. Alors, j'ai choisi de

[54:08] soutenir cette résolution

[54:09] proposée par mes collègues pour

[54:11] de multiples raisons. Quiconque

[54:14] a suivi les réunions publiques

[54:15] du conseil a pu se faire une

[54:17] idée des problèmes plus profonds

[54:19] qui se pose. Ils ne seront pas

[54:22] surpris par cette résolution.

[54:24] Bien que différentes mesures

[54:26] aient été prises pour tenter

[54:27] d'améliorer le climat de

[54:28] travail, les problèmes

[54:30] persistent. Je me préoccupe

[54:31] avant tout du bien-être de notre

[54:34] personnel, de nos habitants, qui

[54:35] osent se présenter aux réunions

[54:38] publiques, mais je ne serais pas

[54:39] sincère si j'excluait la santé

[54:41] et bien-être des membres du

[54:43] conseil et de nos familles. Bien

[54:45] que je ne m'attends pas à ce que

[54:48] quelqu'un vienne tout régler

[54:49] d'un coup de baguette magique,

[54:51] j'espère qu'avec cette

[54:52] résolution, nous recevrons de

[54:54] l'aide pour garantir que les

[54:56] mécanismes soient mis en place

[54:57] et que des outils soient données

[54:59] pour aider tout le monde a aller

[55:01] de l'avant d'une manière plus

[55:03] positive et plus saine. In

[55:05] English, I have chosen to

[55:06] support this resolution proposed

[55:07] by my colleagues for multiple

[55:09] reasons this resolution will be

[55:10] no surprise to anyone who has

[55:12] watched public council meetings,

[55:13] and gleaned a shimmer of the

[55:15] deeper issues taking place.

[55:17] While different steps have been

[55:18] taken to try to improve the work

[55:20] climate, issues persist. I'm

[55:21] primarily concerned for the

[55:23] welfare of our staff as well as

[55:25] for those who present themselves

[55:27] at public meetings. I would not

[55:28] be truthful if I excluded the

[55:29] health and well-being of council

[55:31] members and our families. I do

[55:32] not expect someone to come in

[55:34] and way they want to fix

[55:35] everything, I hope this

[55:38] resolution, with this

[55:39] resolution, we will be provided

[55:40] with help to ensure mechanisms

[55:41] are put in place, and tools are

[55:44] given to help everyone move

[55:45] forward in a more positive and

[55:46] healthy way.

[55:49] >> Councillor Bissonnette?

[55:52] - Bonsoir. >> Good evening. I

[55:55] will be brief, I won't be too

[55:57] long. I have a couple of

[56:00] evenings. As an example, the

[56:02] public meeting, like every

[56:04] public meeting, is a very

[56:05] important meeting, the meeting

[56:07] where citizens find out about

[56:10] projects going on. These

[56:13] meetings that are being

[56:14] conducted since I've been in

[56:16] this term, fairly repeatedly,

[56:19] are badly managed, bottom line.

[56:22] Tonight is a difficult example.

[56:24] What I'm getting at, you will

[56:26] see I'm going to cover a couple

[56:27] of articles here. There is a

[56:30] bylaw, and it's mentioned here

[56:32] very clearly, 20 7:12,

[56:35] considering the majority of

[56:37] Council wishes to see

[56:39] Pointe-Claire bylaw respected,

[56:42] okay? That, you are talking

[56:46] transparency, it is not working

[56:49] together, that bylaw is not

[56:50] being respected. It's not a

[56:53] free-for-all. So, what I want to

[56:55] refer to that, it's the public

[56:58] question, the bylaw has several

[57:00] items, but one of them is the

[57:01] public question, which is

[57:03] article number six. That one

[57:05] says, it pertains to the

[57:09] frequent failure of the chairman

[57:10] to enforce the bylaw. He may

[57:13] have his reasons for it, but

[57:14] there is a bylaw, and the bylaw

[57:16] is supposed to be followed. Le

[57:20] président, comme j'ai dit, les

[57:22] président de l'assemblée doivent

[57:23] faire respecter les règlements

[57:25] qui sont en vigueur. Ce n'est

[57:27] pas une question de

[57:31] (---)

[57:32] un peu plus et d'autres

[57:33] questions, n'importe quoi. C'est

[57:34] une réunion importante. C'est

[57:35] important pour parler de choses

[57:37] et donner des raisons, des

[57:38] explications. I would like to

[57:40] cover a couple of these articles

[57:43] in the bylaw. Number 57, 57 here

[57:47] says each person may ask a first

[57:52] question with a short preamble

[57:55] and a second without a preamble

[57:59] in many instances, that's not

[58:01] happening. Furthermore, when

[58:02] three different people have

[58:04] already asked a question on the

[58:06] same subject, the subject may no

[58:07] longer be the object of the new

[58:09] questions before the question

[58:11] period and goes to the next

[58:12] council. Article 59, questions

[58:18] may only contain the words

[58:20] necessary to obtain the

[58:22] information requested. The

[58:24] question is, you want the

[58:25] information. It is not a

[58:27] monologue, it's not someone else

[58:29] up selling his product, or

[58:32] whatever. It contains a question

[58:34] is out of order when it contains

[58:36] a hypothesis, a deduction, or an

[58:38] attribution of motives. The

[58:40] answer it requires will

[58:41] constitute a professional

[58:43] opinion or a personal

[58:45] evaluation, like we did this

[58:46] evening. That is out of order.

[58:50] Pending -- requests or the

[58:53] matter under investigation where

[58:55] the words spoken maybe

[58:57] prejudicial to a person or

[58:58] reveal part of the evidence or

[59:00] argument. It contains abusive

[59:03] comet, it contains personal

[59:05] attacks, innuendo, swearing, or

[59:09] obscenities. Number 61, the

[59:11] chairman must ensure that the

[59:13] question period does not give

[59:15] way to any debate, either

[59:17] between members of Council, or

[59:18] between a member of Council and

[59:20] a person present.

[59:26] (inaudible)

[59:27] The chairman may limit a point

[59:31] of order in any person in

[59:32] violation of this bylaw or who

[59:34] exceeds the time on loan allowed

[59:35] for the question period, or the

[59:37] right of any person presents to

[59:39] ask questions. In order of the

[59:43] quorum, it cannot be maintained,

[59:44] the chairman may adjourn the

[59:46] council meeting. The public must

[59:49] obey an order from the president

[59:50] or the meeting related to order,

[59:53] and decorum. So, if you look at

[59:57] our meeting, and it was

[59:58] mentioned previously this

[59:59] evening about how the meetings

[1:00:01] are, and I have, heard and we

[1:00:02] have heard from many of you

[1:00:04] people who have come here, how

[1:00:06] dysfunctional it is, don't know

[1:00:07] what's going on, it's a

[1:00:09] free-for-all, well that is why.

[1:00:10] You follow these rules, there's

[1:00:13] a lot more organization to it.

[1:00:16] Just a comment, what we are

[1:00:17] passing tonight is this

[1:00:18] resolution. We realize we need

[1:00:21] help. This thing covers it very

[1:00:27] well. The municipal council is

[1:00:30] asking the Ministry, municipal

[1:00:32] affairs, province of Québec, the

[1:00:36] -- identify the nature of

[1:00:39] problems and propose an action

[1:00:41] plan to improve the general

[1:00:43] functioning of the city, okay?

[1:00:45] The city is made up of elected

[1:00:48] officials, where is the

[1:00:50] administration, Council, the

[1:00:51] mayor. We offer support in

[1:00:54] specialized services for

[1:00:55] implementation. This is not a

[1:00:57] joke. There's nothing hiding

[1:00:59] here, an opportunity for us, and

[1:01:03] we will take advantage of it is

[1:01:05] if we could get some suggestions

[1:01:06] on how we can do things, or

[1:01:09] approach issues. So, anyway.

[1:01:12] Thank you.

[1:01:17] >> Councillor Homan?

[1:01:18] >> Good evening. I'm going to be

[1:01:19] short. I support this resolution

[1:01:21] because, for the last two and a

[1:01:22] half years, we have been trying

[1:01:25] many different ways to work

[1:01:29] together, and it's been quite a

[1:01:30] struggle. As we see how the

[1:01:32] meetings have been running,

[1:01:33] tonight was a fine example,

[1:01:34] there is lack of respect, lack

[1:01:37] of leadership, and I think that

[1:01:39] we need to get back to the

[1:01:41] basics and follow our bylaws.

[1:01:43] This opportunity, through the

[1:01:45] government, is going to help us,

[1:01:47] give us guidance that we are

[1:01:49] struggling with right now. I

[1:01:50] have to remind people that we

[1:01:52] don't all agree, and never have

[1:01:54] always agreed. This is my third

[1:01:57] mandate we are independent

[1:01:59] candidates. We all come with our

[1:02:01] own beliefs to the table, and we

[1:02:03] have to work together to find

[1:02:05] ways to find either a compromise

[1:02:08] or a consensus. That's what we

[1:02:10] are struggling to do. For me, I

[1:02:12] support this resolution because

[1:02:14] we are not getting things moving

[1:02:15] ahead like we should. That is

[1:02:17] not fair to the citizens. Having

[1:02:20] free falls at the public

[1:02:21] meetings is exhausting. It is

[1:02:24] really, really tiring. I have

[1:02:25] never seen such lack of respect

[1:02:27] before in my life. I will be

[1:02:29] supporting this resolution, and

[1:02:31] hoping that the government will

[1:02:32] be able to guide us into the

[1:02:35] right ways in the next year and

[1:02:36] a half of this mandate. Thank

[1:02:38] you.

[1:02:39] >> Councillor Tremblay?

[1:02:41] >> Thank you, Mister Mayor. I

[1:02:43] can recall, on many occasions,

[1:02:46] in the previous mandate, and

[1:02:47] even in the mandate that was

[1:02:48] before that, so, to situate you,

[1:02:52] the mandate under the Belvedere

[1:02:56] administration, the Trudeau

[1:02:57] administration, sitting in the

[1:02:58] audience as you were, on many

[1:03:00] occasions, seeing things come

[1:03:02] apart it is not the first time

[1:03:04] there have been situations here

[1:03:05] that have absolutely, I would

[1:03:07] agree with Councillor Homan, it

[1:03:10] is discouraging to listen to

[1:03:11] time after time. This whole

[1:03:14] culture, this whole business of

[1:03:16] what transpires at council

[1:03:18] meetings is not new to this one.

[1:03:20] It's not new to this one. If you

[1:03:24] read, when you get an

[1:03:25] opportunity, to read the

[1:03:26] resolution, it doesn't only

[1:03:28] speak to PC 27-12, it asks for

[1:03:33] more. That is where I began to

[1:03:34] get worried. Let me read you my

[1:03:36] statement on where I stand on

[1:03:38] this position. Merci, Monsieur

[1:03:41] le Maire. Mesdames et Messieurs,

[1:03:44] merci. C'est de résolution est

[1:03:46] symbolique de la culture

[1:03:47] politique qui règne au sein du

[1:03:49] conseil municipal de

[1:03:50] Pointe-Claire. En effet, le

[1:03:52] style politique auquel nous

[1:03:53] assistons ce soir n'est pas

[1:03:55] apparu en 2021, ni à n'importe

[1:03:58] quel moment à ce mandat. C'est

[1:04:00] un héritage du mandat précédent,

[1:04:03] peut-être même des années

[1:04:06] précédentes. Ayant vécu dans cet

[1:04:07] environnement depuis plus de 2

[1:04:11] ans, je ne peux tout simplement

[1:04:13] pas croire que cette résolution

[1:04:15] soit déposée au nom de la paix,

[1:04:17] de l'amour et de la

[1:04:18] compréhension. C'est un coup de

[1:04:20] force absolue. C'est un coup de

[1:04:23] canon pour mettre fin à

[1:04:24] l'opposition politique

[1:04:27] aujourd'hui et peut-être aussi

[1:04:28] d'influencer les élections de

[1:04:30] 2025. Il faut se rappeler qu'il

[1:04:32] y a quand la même séquence

[1:04:33] d'événements qui ont mené à tout

[1:04:35] ça. Des lettres dans les médias,

[1:04:37] ce qu'on entend, ce qu'on voit,

[1:04:38] ce qu'on voit les conseillers

[1:04:39] écrire sur Facebook, les médias

[1:04:41] sociaux, etc., Une demande

[1:04:45] pour... The letter of

[1:04:46] resignation we've heard. There

[1:04:48] is a whole sequence of different

[1:04:49] events that led up to this. This

[1:04:51] is not in a vacuum. There is

[1:04:53] more to this, in my opinion.

[1:04:56] Notre communauté remonte au 18e

[1:04:59] siècle. Nous avons connu, au

[1:05:01] travers des générations, des

[1:05:02] guerres, des pandémies, des

[1:05:03] conditions météorologiques

[1:05:04] difficiles et toutes sortes de

[1:05:06] changements et de défis

[1:05:07] politiques ou sociaux. Tout au

[1:05:09] long de cette période, nous nous

[1:05:11] sommes tenus debout et avons

[1:05:14] mené les choses de l'avant. Les

[1:05:15] citoyens de Pointe-Claire se

[1:05:16] sont battus avec acharnement

[1:05:17] pour rester défusionné et aussi

[1:05:20] indépendant que possible, ne pas

[1:05:23] s'asseoir. À 1 an et demi des

[1:05:24] élections, 1 an et demi des

[1:05:26] élections, la seule solution est

[1:05:28] demeuré Québec à nos affaires.

[1:05:31] Je peux vous assurer, mesdames

[1:05:32] et messieurs, c'est qu'une

[1:05:34] mesure plus douce n'a été

[1:05:35] proposé pour apaiser les

[1:05:38] tensions et difficultés auto

[1:05:40] infligées décrit ici

[1:05:42] aujourd'hui. Comme certaines

[1:05:43] personnes bien informées Malone

[1:05:45] dit, votre ville se dirige plus

[1:05:48] ou moins vers une forme de mise

[1:05:50] sous tutelle. On n'est pas là.

[1:05:51] C'est peut-être la première

[1:05:53] phase, mais tranquillement pas

[1:05:54] vite, on avance dans cette

[1:05:56] direction-là. Il est important

[1:05:58] de souligner que je n'ai

[1:06:00] participé à aucune discussion

[1:06:01] relative à cette résolution,

[1:06:03] aucun membre du Conseil de

[1:06:05] l'administration a appelé pour

[1:06:06] en discuter avec moi. Et dans

[1:06:11] quel but? Nous avons mis en

[1:06:14] place un solide plan stratégique

[1:06:16] pour la ville. Notre directeur

[1:06:17] des finances et nos

[1:06:19] vérificateurs externes nous

[1:06:20] disent que notre situation

[1:06:21] financière est saine. Nous

[1:06:23] rénovons les vestiaires de

[1:06:24] l'aréna. Nous réparons les rues.

[1:06:26] Nous déneige ont. Nous

[1:06:27] modernisons le passage pour

[1:06:29] piétons des sources. Nous

[1:06:31] ajustons une passerelle piétons

[1:06:33] et cyclistes au-dessus de la

[1:06:35] Transcanadienne. Nous avons tenu

[1:06:36] six réunions de consultations

[1:06:37] publiques très populaires sur

[1:06:40] l'urbanisme qui, selon notre

[1:06:42] personnelle, ont été extrêmement

[1:06:43] utiles. Nous modernisons notre

[1:06:46] bâtiment des Travaux publics, un

[1:06:47] grand projet. Excusez-moi, j'ai

[1:06:52] perdu ma place. Gill mieux

[1:06:54] servir les résidents. Et même en

[1:06:56] période de gel, nous sommes en

[1:06:58] tête de l'ouest de l'île pour

[1:06:59] les projets de développement. Il

[1:07:00] est clair que les projets

[1:07:03] avancent. Et si ce n'est pas le

[1:07:06] cas, le même conseil majoritaire

[1:07:08] qui fait pression pour cette

[1:07:10] résolution ce soir peut le faire

[1:07:11] pour n'importe quel autre projet

[1:07:12] en vertu de son ombre. Aucune

[1:07:16] personne au groupe des personnes

[1:07:18] assis à cette table ou devant

[1:07:20] moi le détient la formule de ce

[1:07:23] qui est dans le meilleur intérêt

[1:07:24] des citoyens de Pointe-Claire.

[1:07:25] Nous sommes égaux. Les années

[1:07:27] passées en politique, l'âge, le

[1:07:30] genre, les connexions, les

[1:07:31] antécédents n'offrent pas de

[1:07:32] place prioritaires ici. Les

[1:07:34] opinions diverses doivent être

[1:07:38] patiemment absorbées dans la

[1:07:39] mesure de ce que nous sommes en

[1:07:41] tant que communauté si nous

[1:07:44] voulons réussir à aller de

[1:07:47] l'avant. Je voterai non par

[1:07:52] principe et je partagerai très

[1:07:54] certainement mon expérience et

[1:07:56] tout les matériel pertinent avec

[1:07:57] les représentants du MAMH, du

[1:08:00] ministère, si on me le demande.

[1:08:01] J'ai énormément de choses à dire

[1:08:03] à ce sujet. Ladies and

[1:08:05] gentlemen, this resolution is

[1:08:06] symbolic for the political

[1:08:07] culture that rain supreme in

[1:08:09] Pointe-Claire City Council. In

[1:08:10] fact, the style of politics we

[1:08:12] are witnessing this evening

[1:08:13] wasn't born in 2021, or at any

[1:08:15] point in this mandate. It's a

[1:08:17] carryover from the previous

[1:08:18] mandate, perhaps even years

[1:08:20] before. It's well entrenched

[1:08:24] having lived in this environment

[1:08:26] for more than two years, I

[1:08:27] simply can't believe this

[1:08:29] resolution is being tabled for

[1:08:30] the sake of peace, love, and

[1:08:31] understanding. This is brute

[1:08:33] force. Given the sequence of

[1:08:34] events that I've witnessed and

[1:08:35] seen in the past, it is a cannon

[1:08:38] shot to end political opposition

[1:08:39] and affect the 2025 election,

[1:08:41] whether you like it or not. Our

[1:08:44] committee runs back to the

[1:08:46] 1700s, generations have been

[1:08:48] through wars, pandemics,

[1:08:49] difficult weather, and all kinds

[1:08:52] of political and social changes

[1:08:53] and challenges. Through it, all

[1:08:55] we have stood on our own two

[1:08:56] feet, and lead the way. The

[1:08:58] citizens of Pointe-Claire have

[1:08:59] fought hard to remain emerged

[1:09:01] and as independent as possible,

[1:09:02] but not this evening. With an

[1:09:04] election only a year and a half

[1:09:05] away, only a year and a half

[1:09:07] away, the only solution is to

[1:09:09] bring Québec City into our

[1:09:10] affairs. I can assure you,

[1:09:12] ladies and gentlemen, there were

[1:09:13] no softer measures proposed to

[1:09:15] delay the self inflicted tension

[1:09:17] and difficulties outlined here

[1:09:19] today. I am not quite sure where

[1:09:23] all this starts and where it

[1:09:25] ends. Some of the well connected

[1:09:26] people I have spoken to about

[1:09:29] this, they have told me, your

[1:09:30] city is more or less heading

[1:09:31] towards some form of

[1:09:34] receivership. That was explained

[1:09:35] to me. We are not necessarily

[1:09:36] their, full agreement. We may be

[1:09:39] heading in that direction, which

[1:09:40] is shameful, in my opinion. It's

[1:09:42] important to underline, folks, I

[1:09:43] was not privy to any discussions

[1:09:46] relative to this discussion, nor

[1:09:47] on Council or the administration

[1:09:49] called to discuss it with me. It

[1:09:51] was simply prevented. Sorry, it

[1:09:53] was simply presented. For what

[1:09:55] purpose? We've been put -- we

[1:09:58] put in place a rich, strategic

[1:09:59] plan for the city, our finance

[1:10:01] director and outside

[1:10:02] undernourished Ellis that are

[1:10:03] fiscal picture is sound, we are

[1:10:05] innovating locked rooms,

[1:10:07] repairing streets, clearing

[1:10:08] snow, of getting sources

[1:10:10] crosswalk, adding a pedestrian

[1:10:11] cycle bridge over the

[1:10:12] Trans-Canada, held six popular

[1:10:15] in planning public consultation

[1:10:17] meetings that our staff's have

[1:10:19] been extremely helpful. We are

[1:10:22] updating our public works

[1:10:23] building to better serve

[1:10:24] residents, and even in a freeze,

[1:10:26] we lead the West Island in

[1:10:27] development projects. I'm

[1:10:29] skipping a number of things.

[1:10:30] Clearly, projects are moving

[1:10:32] forward. If they are not, that

[1:10:34] same majority that is pushing

[1:10:35] for this resolution tonight can

[1:10:37] do so for virtually any project,

[1:10:39] due to their numbers. No one

[1:10:43] person, group, or anyone in

[1:10:45] front of me owns the formula to

[1:10:47] what is in the best interest of

[1:10:48] the citizens of Pointe-Claire.

[1:10:50] We are equals. Years in office,

[1:10:53] age, gender, connection,

[1:10:55] background, don't offer priority

[1:10:56] seating in this place. Diverse

[1:10:58] of pinion space to be patiently

[1:10:59] absorbed in the mosaic of who we

[1:11:01] are as a community, if we are to

[1:11:03] succeed in moving forward.

[1:11:04] Another thing, I have lived in

[1:11:06] Pointe-Claire since 1965. I grew

[1:11:09] up here, I have raised children

[1:11:10] here, and I have a family.

[1:11:13] Sorry, I have family members and

[1:11:14] friends buried here, across the

[1:11:17] street. To be told by a newcomer

[1:11:20] councillor that I don't have

[1:11:21] Pointe-Claire citizens at heart

[1:11:23] is a deep insult to me. I will

[1:11:25] vote no out of principle, but I

[1:11:27] will mostly share my experience

[1:11:29] and all relevant materials with

[1:11:31] the representatives from the

[1:11:33] Ministry, or associated offices,

[1:11:35] and partake positively as I have

[1:11:37] in everything I've been involved

[1:11:38] in here. I have an enormous

[1:11:39] amount to tell on this matter.

[1:11:41] Thank you very much, Mister

[1:11:43] Mayor.

[1:11:46] [Applause]

[1:11:49] >> Councillor Thorstad-Cullen?

[1:11:50] >> Yes, good evening. Bonsoir.

[1:11:55] Ce soir, je propose d'appuyer la

[1:11:57] résolution d'une demande

[1:11:59] d'accompagnateur auprès du

[1:12:00] ministère des Affaires

[1:12:01] municipales et de l'habitation.

[1:12:04] Il s'agit d'une option offerte

[1:12:06] au conseils municipaux pour

[1:12:08] favoriser un fonctionnement

[1:12:11] optimal et assurer que les

[1:12:13] règlements municipaux sont

[1:12:15] respectés. Il y a plusieurs

[1:12:17] réunions publiques de conseils

[1:12:18] qui ne répondent pas à mes

[1:12:21] normes personnelles de

[1:12:23] professionnalisme, car le

[1:12:25] règlement PC 27-12 n'est pas

[1:12:28] respectée. Et ce sentiment est

[1:12:29] également partagée par d'autres

[1:12:31] membres du conseil et d'autres

[1:12:33] citoyens de Pointe-Claire. De

[1:12:35] nombreux citoyens de

[1:12:36] Pointe-Claire nous ont demandé

[1:12:39] d'intervenir. Nous devons ré

[1:12:41] établir le leadership. Nous

[1:12:43] avons besoin de vérité et non de

[1:12:47] désinformation. Il est temps que

[1:12:48] la Ville de Pointe-Claire

[1:12:50] profite de cette ressource qui

[1:12:53] est à notre disposition.

[1:12:56] J'aimerais souligner que la

[1:12:57] demande présentée ce soir vise à

[1:12:59] obtenir les services d'un

[1:13:02] accompagnateur et non à prendre

[1:13:03] en charge la gestion de la

[1:13:07] ville. On s'attend à ce que

[1:13:09] l'accompagnateur assure que

[1:13:10] notre fonctionnement est

[1:13:11] conforme à nos règlements et aux

[1:13:14] valeurs de la ville, qui inclut

[1:13:18] la poursuite d'excellence, la

[1:13:19] qualité de service, l'intégrité

[1:13:22] et le respect des gens. Good

[1:13:25] evening. Tonight I am moving to

[1:13:27] support the resolution of a

[1:13:28] request for a facilitator from

[1:13:30] the minister Ministère des

[1:13:31] Affaires municipales et de

[1:13:33] l'Habitation, this is an option

[1:13:35] available to City Council's to

[1:13:36] support optimal functioning and

[1:13:38] to ensure that a city's own

[1:13:40] bylaws are respected. There have

[1:13:42] been quite a few public council

[1:13:43] meetings that do not meet my

[1:13:45] personal standards of

[1:13:46] professionalism, as PC bylaw

[1:13:48] 27-12 is not being upheld, and

[1:13:50] this sentiment is shared by

[1:13:52] other members of Council, and

[1:13:54] other citizens of Pointe-Claire

[1:13:56] like. Many citizens of

[1:13:57] Pointe-Claire asked us to

[1:13:59] intervene. We need to reinstate

[1:14:01] leadership, we need truth and

[1:14:03] not misinformation. It is time

[1:14:05] the City of Pointe-Claire

[1:14:06] benefit from this resource that

[1:14:07] is available to us. I would like

[1:14:09] to highlight the request being

[1:14:11] proposed this evening is to

[1:14:12] request a facilitator, helped,

[1:14:15] it is not a request to take over

[1:14:17] management of the city. The

[1:14:19] expectation is that the

[1:14:20] facilitator will ensure their

[1:14:21] functioning is in line with our

[1:14:23] bylaws, and our city values,

[1:14:25] which include the pursuit of

[1:14:27] excellence, service quality,

[1:14:29] integrity, and respect for

[1:14:31] people. Thank you.

[1:14:34] >> Councillor Stork?

[1:14:37] - Bonjour à tous. I had

[1:14:40] something written down, but a

[1:14:41] lot has been said here today. I

[1:14:43] just want to say that we sit

[1:14:47] around here, and I am

[1:14:49] embarrassed. I am embarrassed

[1:14:51] for all of us in this room, the

[1:14:54] administration, citizens. We

[1:14:55] need help, plain and simple. I'm

[1:14:58] not going to go with this or

[1:15:00] that, deep into the muck on this

[1:15:03] scenario. We need help. We're

[1:15:04] asking for help on behalf of the

[1:15:07] citizens, what we feel, what I

[1:15:08] feel him supporting this motion

[1:15:09] is what is required for the

[1:15:11] citizens of our great city. You

[1:15:14] know, I will go a step further,

[1:15:16] the lady mentioned transparency,

[1:15:19] when this person comes in, who

[1:15:21] ever they may be, I will support

[1:15:24] the recommendations 100%, and I

[1:15:27] have no problem, is that funny,

[1:15:31] sir? I will support the

[1:15:36] recommendations of this

[1:15:37] facilitator 100%, and to the

[1:15:39] ladies questions of

[1:15:41] transparency, I don't know what

[1:15:42] the legality of this is, but I'm

[1:15:43] more than happy to make this

[1:15:44] document public once published.

[1:15:47] We have to address this, none of

[1:15:50] us are 100% part of the problem,

[1:15:52] none are part of the solution.

[1:15:54] We need help, and we are asking

[1:15:55] for it. Not for me, for all of

[1:15:58] us, but for you. We need help. I

[1:16:00] support this motion

[1:16:02] unequivocally. Thank you.

[1:16:07] >> Okay. As a first time mayor,

[1:16:15] Au début, tournoi, les réunions

[1:16:17] du conseil municipal était un

[1:16:20] exercice très, très intéressant

[1:16:23] et pas comme à l'Université.

[1:16:26] J'ai été à l'université pour une

[1:16:27] vingtaine d'années, et c'était

[1:16:28] un autre monde. Alors, pour moi,

[1:16:30] j'ai appris beaucoup. Ce que

[1:16:32] j'ai appris que dans nos

[1:16:35] conseils municipaux, il n'y a

[1:16:37] pas de respect. Ça manque de

[1:16:40] respect. Ce n'est pas moi qui

[1:16:41] manque de respect. Ce n'est pas

[1:16:43] moi du tout. Si vous voyez tous

[1:16:46] les webcast de notre conseil

[1:16:48] municipal, ce n'est pas moi qui

[1:16:50] manque de respect. Alors, je

[1:16:52] trouve que c'est étonnant que

[1:16:55] tout le monde me blâme moi pour

[1:16:58] la conduite des autres. Je suis

[1:17:02] responsable de ce qui se passe

[1:17:03] dans le conseil, mais si c'est

[1:17:07] un désastre, c'est un désastre.

[1:17:08] J'essaie de régler tout ça, mais

[1:17:10] ce n'est pas facile. For me, why

[1:17:12] is it a free-for-all? Councillor

[1:17:15] sent spoke about following

[1:17:17] rules. What if people don't

[1:17:18] follow rules? What if people

[1:17:20] don't respect them, and do so

[1:17:22] deliberately? How do you

[1:17:24] regulate that? This is my

[1:17:25] challenge. This has been my

[1:17:27] challenge with the council

[1:17:29] meetings. I am still learning, I

[1:17:32] must say. I've always tried,

[1:17:34] myself, personally, to engage

[1:17:36] with respect. I would encourage

[1:17:39] everybody who has heard this

[1:17:41] debate, all of you, all our

[1:17:43] meetings are webcasts. All of

[1:17:46] them. Please go back and watch

[1:17:48] them. We want transparency? You

[1:17:50] want the truth? You want to see

[1:17:52] the reality of what is going on

[1:17:54] here? Please, go back, owe it to

[1:17:57] yourselves, get to the truth. Go

[1:17:59] back and watch the council

[1:18:01] meetings, see the conduct of

[1:18:02] people in the council meetings,

[1:18:04] and you will get your answers,

[1:18:06] okay? We can all talk, but the

[1:18:09] proof is in the putting. Watch

[1:18:11] the webcasts. This latest

[1:18:13] resolution from Council's,

[1:18:15] unfortunate, but does not come

[1:18:17] as a surprise. In the last

[1:18:19] election, Pointe-Claire citizens

[1:18:21] decided to elect me as mayor.

[1:18:23] They also reelected a majority

[1:18:25] of councillors who are aligned

[1:18:27] with former Mayor Belvedere, and

[1:18:29] who oppose my platform on

[1:18:32] development, the environment,

[1:18:33] and heritage protection. I hoped

[1:18:36] this might lead to some

[1:18:38] compromise. At the very least, I

[1:18:40] had hoped Council might show

[1:18:42] greater tolerance for debate,

[1:18:44] and different opinions. I

[1:18:47] functioned four years in a world

[1:18:48] of respect for other people's

[1:18:50] opinions. I hoped this greater

[1:18:54] tolerance for different

[1:18:55] opinions, even if the opinions

[1:18:59] remain, the decisions at the end

[1:19:00] remain the same. In other words,

[1:19:02] we know we're going to go

[1:19:03] anyways, but allow us,

[1:19:05] sometimes, I felt like, I'm

[1:19:06] going to lose anyway, but let me

[1:19:08] get my message out. Just getting

[1:19:10] my message out has, at times,

[1:19:12] been difficult. The last two and

[1:19:14] a half years have been a

[1:19:16] scorched earth approach of

[1:19:18] intolerance at Council meetings

[1:19:20] and concerted pressure on the

[1:19:22] members of Council to resign

[1:19:23] before the end of our four-year

[1:19:26] mandates. We know who the new

[1:19:27] members are. Unfortunately, I

[1:19:30] believe this pressure

[1:19:31] contributed to the resignation

[1:19:32] of one of them, Councillor

[1:19:35] Tedford who will inform you

[1:19:37] clearly why she resigned, she

[1:19:38] has written it. You can find out

[1:19:40] why she resigned. I can give you

[1:19:42] her resignation letter. It says,

[1:19:45] pretty much, what I think you

[1:19:46] should know. The current

[1:19:48] resolution from the ruling

[1:19:50] majority on Council is

[1:19:51] consistent with many of their

[1:19:53] previous tactics, which include

[1:19:57] averting to former

[1:19:58] communications committee to

[1:19:59] censor my interviews and social

[1:20:00] media posts, publicly condemning

[1:20:03] Councillor Tedford in what

[1:20:05] amounted to a motion of sensor

[1:20:07] for merely disagreeing with the

[1:20:10] developer who heckled and

[1:20:11] disrupted her speech in this

[1:20:13] chamber at the previous meeting.

[1:20:16] Carrying out repeated staged

[1:20:18] walkouts and boycotts of caucus,

[1:20:20] and Council meetings. Alas

[1:20:22] public one in December, lasting

[1:20:24] nearly half an hour. I sat here,

[1:20:25] it waited for everyone to come

[1:20:27] back to work. Finally, for

[1:20:31] repeatedly demanding my

[1:20:32] resignation in print and on

[1:20:33] social media, is this trying to

[1:20:36] make Council work? Is this

[1:20:38] getting along? As with

[1:20:40] Councillor Tedford, the scorched

[1:20:42] earth campaign has extended to

[1:20:44] my private life. Among other

[1:20:46] things, a member of this council

[1:20:49] went to the trouble of texting

[1:20:50] my significant other to suggest

[1:20:52] that I was having an affair, not

[1:20:55] once, but two times, involving

[1:20:57] two different women. Such antics

[1:21:01] are juvenile, even in high

[1:21:04] school. These kinds of

[1:21:06] disruptive, bullying tactics,

[1:21:08] and hostile and inappropriate

[1:21:09] language used by the ruling

[1:21:11] majority on Council, and their

[1:21:13] supporters at Council meetings,

[1:21:15] make our city look out of

[1:21:17] control. We are made to look out

[1:21:19] of control. The difference this

[1:21:22] time, asking the province to

[1:21:25] intervene with wording that

[1:21:26] suggests our city could even be

[1:21:28] placed under trusteeship

[1:21:30] escalates the situation to an

[1:21:32] entire other level. I think you

[1:21:34] all realize this. As I've said

[1:21:36] many times before, I have no

[1:21:39] intention of resigning. I will

[1:21:43] continue to do the job I was

[1:21:45] elected to do despite formidable

[1:21:49] verbal opposition. I won't make

[1:21:52] citizens pay the costs of an

[1:21:54] expensive by-election only 18

[1:21:56] months before the one that is

[1:21:58] already scheduled for November,

[1:22:01] 2025. Why would we do that? The

[1:22:05] majority on Council needs the

[1:22:07] kind of resolution proposed

[1:22:10] tonight. Seven out of nine

[1:22:12] votes, our cities agenda is

[1:22:14] primarily driven by them. We

[1:22:16] continue to have no residential

[1:22:19] development than the rest of the

[1:22:20] West Island combined, despite

[1:22:21] being only 15% of its total

[1:22:24] population. Nothing has changed

[1:22:27] here. The issue of the Fairview

[1:22:29] forest has not yet been allowed

[1:22:30] to be discussed at the public

[1:22:33] consultations on our urban plan.

[1:22:35] Council has voted to both remove

[1:22:38] multiple condo projects from our

[1:22:39] development fees, and reject the

[1:22:42] agreement I negotiated with the

[1:22:44] archdiocese to restore the

[1:22:45] Pointe-Claire windmill. If they

[1:22:48] genuinely believe that Québec

[1:22:50] City needs to take over,

[1:22:53] wouldn't it in fact be taking

[1:22:54] over from them? Wouldn't that be

[1:22:57] an admission of their own

[1:22:59] failure to govern? I would also

[1:23:04] point out that, beyond the

[1:23:06] conflict at the senior levels of

[1:23:07] city hall, and our disagreements

[1:23:09] on some major issues,

[1:23:12] Pointe-Claire is a city that

[1:23:13] runs well, whose finances are in

[1:23:16] good shape, and whose citizens

[1:23:18] receive excellent services from

[1:23:20] our rank-and-file City staff. I

[1:23:22] don't see why we need, or how we

[1:23:25] could benefit, from being

[1:23:27] managed by the provincial

[1:23:29] government. I must admit, I find

[1:23:30] it insulting to those who come

[1:23:32] in every day to make

[1:23:33] Pointe-Claire a better place,

[1:23:35] and succeed in doing so. Hang

[1:23:39] on, I'm not done. I'm getting

[1:23:41] some water.

[1:23:45] (inaudible)

[1:23:47] I will be voting against the

[1:23:50] resolution, not just because

[1:23:51] it's another unnecessary

[1:23:53] political tactic, but because it

[1:23:55] will thoroughly undermine our

[1:23:57] city's credibility, autonomy,

[1:23:59] and ability to get things done

[1:24:01] with other levels of government.

[1:24:04] Under previous mayors, like Bill

[1:24:06] McMurchie, and Malcolm Knox,

[1:24:08] Pointe-Claire took on a

[1:24:09] leadership role in representing

[1:24:12] the interest of the entire West

[1:24:14] Island to both downtown Montréal

[1:24:16] and the Québec government.

[1:24:19] Tonight, Council is asking for

[1:24:20] the province to intervene to

[1:24:23] help us govern ourselves.

[1:24:27] Council is asking the province

[1:24:29] to intervene to help us govern

[1:24:31] ourselves. There are many

[1:24:33] important files in which

[1:24:35] Pointe-Claire needs to take a

[1:24:37] stand. Most recently, I have

[1:24:38] been working with the mayors of

[1:24:40] Kirkland and Dollard-des-Ormeaux

[1:24:41] to oppose Montréal's proposal to

[1:24:44] increase our density targets

[1:24:46] without increased investments in

[1:24:47] public transit and

[1:24:50] infrastructure housing really do

[1:24:51] you think Montréal and Québec

[1:24:52] City will take us on this, or

[1:24:54] any other important file, if we

[1:24:56] are asking them to manage our

[1:24:59] city hall for us? You can't sit

[1:25:02] at the negotiating table if you

[1:25:04] aren't even ready to sit at the

[1:25:06] grown-ups table. I will come

[1:25:09] help and constructive

[1:25:11] suggestions when it comes to

[1:25:12] making Council function with

[1:25:14] less rancor. I worry about the

[1:25:17] consequences of this resolution

[1:25:18] for the rest of the city, which

[1:25:20] simply deserves better than

[1:25:22] petty, political antics.

[1:25:24] Whatever short term political

[1:25:25] advantage this resolution will

[1:25:27] get from members of Council, or

[1:25:28] their candidate for mayor, will

[1:25:30] be outweighed by the lasting

[1:25:32] damage to our cities reputation.

[1:25:34] It deserves to be voted down.

[1:25:36] Thank you very much.

[1:25:44] We are voting, yes, okay. In

[1:25:47] support of the request for

[1:25:51] Ministère des Affaires

[1:25:52] municipales et de l'Habitation,

[1:25:53] do I have a mover? Moved and

[1:25:56] seconded? All in favour?

[1:26:01] (inaudible)

[1:26:04] All against?

[1:26:09] (inaudible)

[1:26:10] I do. We shouldn't be yelling,

[1:26:11] sir. I do, I can, when I choose.

[1:26:13] Excuse me, sir --

[1:26:15] >> Thank you.

[1:26:17] >> 16.1.

[1:26:18] >> Yes.

[1:26:21] - 16.1 Autoriser des crédits

[1:26:22] additionnels d'une somme de

[1:26:23] 862625,02 $, taxes incluses,

[1:26:25] pour des travaux supplémentaires

[1:26:27] dans le cadre du projet 22-033 -

[1:26:29] avenues Lakeside et Lakeview et

[1:26:32] chemin du Bord-Du-Lac-Lakeshore.

[1:26:36] Do I have a mover?

[1:26:41] >> Cowan, district eight.

[1:26:44] >> Cynthia Homan, district 5.

[1:26:46] - Monsieur Cousineau, êtes-vous

[1:26:47] en faveur ou en défaveur?

[1:26:49] - En désaccord.

[1:26:50] - Vous votez contre. Those

[1:26:51] against? Merci. Closure? For

[1:26:58] closure, do I have a mover?

[1:26:59] >> I'm up to close, Tara

[1:27:02] Stainforth, district 4.

[1:27:03] >> Seconder?

[1:27:05] - Bruno Tremblay, district 6.

[1:27:07] - En faveur? Thank you very

[1:27:10] much, folks. Merci beaucoup.

[1:27:13] Oui, vous pouvez poser des

[1:27:15] questions.

2024-04-16 Assemblée extraordinaire de la Ville de Pointe-Claire

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