[0:14] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[0:14] it is 2:00.

[0:19] Today is -- this is our final

[0:19] board meeting of 2025.

[0:21] Before we begin let's take a

[0:27] moment for a moment silence.

[0:41] [Moment of silence]

[0:44] Thank you so much.

[0:53] Please stand, if you are able,

[0:54] the pledge of allegiance.

[0:55] >>> I pledge allegiance to the

[0:55] flag of the united states of

[1:00] america and to the republic for

[1:01] which it stands, one nation

[1:02] under GOD, indivisible, with

[1:03] liberty and justice for all

[1:04] .

[1:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:07] before we go through with our

[1:16] formal agenda I would like to

[1:17] get a motion to waive the rules

[1:18] of procedure and approve the

[1:20] request to participate remotely

[1:21] through electronic

[1:22] communications means.

[1:22] >> so moved

[1:23] >> second.

[1:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:26] any discussion?

[1:26] Let's go ahead and

[1:27] take our vote

[1:41] .

[1:41] >> vote unanimous supervisor

[1:47] angry absent from vote.

[1:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:51] all right.

[1:57] Is he present on the screen?

[1:58] >> Victor Angry: yes, ma'am.

[1:58] I'm here.

[2:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:06] sorry you are feeling bad, but

[2:07] I'm also spreading out and we

[2:08] are going to be taking up some

[2:08] your space.

[2:09] Without let's go to agenda item

[2:09] number four.

[2:14] I mean, get out of my way, yes

[2:17] lee.

[2:24] First of all, we have 4a.

[2:25] Unfortunately she is not well

[2:26] so we will not be proceeding

[2:27] with 4a today.

[2:32] I'm going to go ahead and do 4b

[2:40] and 4c separately.

[2:41] Before actually go over there

[2:42] let's do approval of the

[2:43] minutes from NOVEMBER 18.

[2:43] And I get a motion?

[2:46] All right.

[2:47] I will give it to supervisor

[2:47] stewart.

[2:51] Any discussion?

[2:54] If not

[2:55] , let's go ahead and take

[2:59] our vote.

[3:04] >> supervisor angry?

[3:09] Vote unanimous.

[3:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:11] now we are going to move to

[3:12] commendations and

[3:12] proclamations.

[3:19] So again 4a we are pulling that

[3:20] as the recipient is not well.

[3:21] 4b and 4c I'm going to do

[3:21] separately.

[3:25] Can I get a motion?

[3:26] It has been properly moved and

[3:27] seconded.

[3:31] Any discussion?

[3:32] Let's go ahead and take our

[3:33] vote.

[3:49] >> supervisor angry on 4b?

[3:49] Motion passes 6/2 supervisors

[3:50] gordy and vega voting no.

[3:52] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:55] all right.

[3:56] And 4c I would like to get a

[3:56] motion.

[3:57] >> so moved.

[3:58] >> second.

[4:02] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:03] it has been properly moved and

[4:03] seconded.

[4:04] Any discussion?

[4:05] Let's go ahead and take our

[4:17] vote.

[4:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:18] for 4b, if you can join me.

[4:19] And then for 4c we have a very

[4:28] large group.

[4:28] I would like to take a brief

[4:29] recess so everyone on the dais

[4:30] can take a picture.

[4:31] Maybe we will find a way to

[4:31] photoshop you in, victor, I

[4:32] don't know.

[4:34] We will figure out something.

[4:34] If you can join me for the

[4:41] first one

[4:57] .

[5:00] >> do we have anyone here from

[5:06] united workers?

[5:16] It's

[5:17] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:

[5:25] good afternoon.

[5:26] Tenants and workers united is a

[5:27] grassroots organization

[5:28] committed to building community

[5:28] power to win social and

[5:29] economic justice across

[5:30] northern virginia.

[5:30] For 39 years tenant workers

[5:37] united have been organizing low

[5:37] income communities of color to

[5:38] build power through community

[5:40] led campaigns for affordable

[5:42] housing, health equity,

[5:43] education justice, police

[5:44] accountability, immigrants

[5:49] rights and more.

[5:50] tenants and workers united have

[5:51] advocated the creation of the

[5:51] counties office a housing

[5:58] community development, the

[5:59] housing trust fund and

[5:59] affordable

[5:59] drilling ordinance.

[6:00] Enants and workers united is

[6:01] a ub summer institute program,

[6:02] the eastern prince william

[6:03] county.

[6:04] For middle and high school

[6:05] youth with the goal to provide

[6:06] leadership, educational

[6:13] workshops and guidance to

[6:13] ensure student success.

[6:15] Tenant workers united provides

[6:16] education and leadership

[6:17] development so people become

[6:19] change agents and proactive

[6:20] civic engagement to secure

[6:30] sustainable systemic changes

[6:31] that advance racial economic

[6:32] social justice across prince

[6:32] william.

[6:33] Therefore today the prince

[6:34] william board of county

[6:39] supervisors hereby recognizes

[6:40] and commends the outstanding

[6:41] efforts the tenants and workers

[6:42] united has contributed to

[6:42] prince william county

[6:49] residence.

[6:49] >> good afternoon

[6:50] CHAIRWOMAN

[6:51] Jefferson and supervisors.

[6:53] We are grateful and honored to

[6:55] be commended today

[7:04] .

[7:05] Our organization has been

[7:06] around for many years in the

[7:06] community working alongside

[7:07] families, communities of color,

[7:08] and youth doing really

[7:08] impactful work

[7:09] .

[7:13] We recognize it's not easy work

[7:14] so we appreciate being

[7:17] recognized

[7:17] .

[7:57] thank you so much.

[7:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:59] all right.

[7:59] The next one for 4c.

[8:02] If anyone associated with this

[8:04] commendation wants to come down

[8:13] .

[8:16] Come on folks.

[8:23] Don't be shy.

[8:24] I was wondering why we had such

[8:24] a large police presence and

[8:25] someone reminded me of this

[8:37] commendation.

[8:38] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you

[8:38] MADAM Trip recommend fire and

[8:39] rescue personnel

[8:39] , police

[8:47] department lakeridge residence

[8:47] on NOVEMBER 13, 2025.

[8:48] I will wait until everyone

[8:58] files in.

[8:59] I will note for the public this

[9:00] is the safest building in the

[9:00] county right now.

[9:25] [Laughter]

[9:25] On the evening of NOVEMBER 13,

[9:26] 2025 a major gas leak caused by

[9:29] a water main rupture into

[9:30] hesitated the evacuation of 82

[9:34] residence.

[9:35] 9:30 P.M. Prince william county

[9:36] firefighters and rescue workers

[9:42] responded to the area near

[9:42] contini place to investigate

[9:43] reports of leaking gas

[9:44] undetermined three inch gas

[9:51] line was severely damaged or in

[9:51] an excavation work but he

[9:52] residence of 65 townhomes in

[9:52] danger.

[9:53] The office of emergency

[9:55] management coordinated with the

[9:56] prince william county schools

[9:57] to provide immediate shelter at

[10:03] woodbridge high school for adt

[10:04] people, 11 whom were children

[10:04] with additional fire and rescue

[10:06] units providing evacuation and

[10:07] shelter support.

[10:08] The following groups played a

[10:08] roll in assisting lakeridge

[10:12] residence that night.

[10:13] The prince william county fire

[10:14] and rescue hazardous materials

[10:17] response unit

[10:18] , rehabbed units

[10:18] and safety and command

[10:19] officers.

[10:20] The prince william safety

[10:21] communications

[10:21] , prince william

[10:22] county police department,

[10:26] prince william county

[10:27] department of social services,

[10:29] washington gas and red cross.

[10:29] Therefore today the prince

[10:37] william board of supervisors

[10:38] commends the prince william

[10:39] county fire and rescue police

[10:40] department, department of

[10:41] social services, on the right

[10:41] drivers and other groups that

[10:44] help evacuate and assist

[10:45] lakeridge residence endangered

[10:45] by the gas leak in the

[10:46] townhouse community on NOVEMBER

[10:47] 13, 2025.

[10:54] Thank you so much.

[10:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[10:55] we have a number of speakers.

[10:56] I will start with those closest

[10:57] entries, I'm going to have you

[10:58] take the opportunity to walk

[11:01] over here as well.

[11:02] I will start with you, MR.

[11:02] Schneider.

[11:09] Come on up if you

[11:10] have a few words.

[11:10] > yes, for brevity say,

[11:14] thank you for the opportunity.

[11:15] Unfortunately our chair could

[11:16] not be here, supervisor angry,

[11:19] but I'm really impressed by the

[11:20] avatar of his remote

[11:20] participation so we thank him

[11:21] for that.

[11:22] Are operators are

[11:28] about on the way home for the

[11:28] day.

[11:29] They put in a full day at work

[11:29] when the phone call came in.

[11:32] I want to thank our dispatcher

[11:33] was able to coordinate the

[11:34] researchers, supervisor melvin

[11:35] denton

[11:35] .

[11:40] Melvin denton who led the team

[11:41] ,

[11:41] frank and patrick daily to the

[11:42] scene and they were able to

[11:51] provide the support

[11:51] .

[11:52] We are thrilled to do it.

[11:52] You know us for our services

[11:53] but you might forget we are

[11:54] two-time transportation

[11:55] security administration award

[11:56] winner for the gold standard

[11:57] and we love supporting prince

[11:58] william county.

[12:05] [Applause]

[12:06] >> think is a much for this

[12:07] honor.

[12:07] On the deputy chief and I was

[12:08] the acting chief on the day the

[12:09] incident occurred.

[12:10] First one to say as the closest

[12:12] representatives of the citizens

[12:13] it's always a difficult thing

[12:14] for us to make these types of

[12:22] decisions

[12:23] .

[12:23] In the case of a gas leak, it's

[12:24] not what has happened already.

[12:25] The incident command is also

[12:26] responsible for what might

[12:31] happen.

[12:32] And that caused people to be in

[12:33] very uncomfortable conditions.

[12:33] We are glad there wasn't an

[12:34] injury or loss, but still

[12:35] difficult to be told in the

[12:36] middle of the night you must

[12:36] leave

[12:40] , and they don't get a

[12:41] whole lot more information.

[12:42] It's uncomfortable for

[12:42] firefighters.

[12:46] They wonderful equipment, for

[12:52] pathogens, for but they don't

[12:53] have explosion suits.

[12:54] They don't have suits that will

[12:57] protect them.

[12:58] As they are going until people

[12:59] get out of the dangerous

[13:00] situation, they are also in

[13:05] danger.

[13:06] This is your amazing team like

[13:07] all the work done.

[13:07] The fire and rescue units in

[13:10] here is the fire rescue system

[13:10] .

[13:11] We had units from nokesville,

[13:17] from dfr and multiple agencies

[13:18] were involved in this,

[13:18] obviously.

[13:20] Has met had a critical roll

[13:20] making sure we were evacuating

[13:25] and deciding based on the

[13:26] science that they were able to

[13:31] provide to.

[13:32] This is a very small part.

[13:32] With 18 units dispatched to

[13:37] this.

[13:37] There were 40 personnel.

[13:38] This is a representation of the

[13:39] people who were actually at

[13:41] work at that time.

[13:42] But they are amazing and I

[13:43] really appreciate this

[13:47] commendation for them.

[13:48] When they are working and

[13:48] working a large-scale incident

[13:50] like this, multiple agencies

[13:54] from oh wl to dale city are

[13:54] putting in the extra work at

[13:56] night to make sure the 9-1-1

[13:58] calls don't stop happening

[13:58] .

[14:02] It really is a systemwide

[14:02] event.

[14:05] And these people did a

[14:05] wonderful job.

[14:10] So thank you very much.

[14:15] [Applause]

[14:16] >> good afternoon.

[14:17] On behalf of the members of the

[14:18] department of public safety

[14:19] communications, I would like to

[14:20] thank the board for the

[14:26] positive recognition and for

[14:26] your continued support of

[14:28] public safety professionals who

[14:28] serve the community every day.

[14:29] Thank you.

[14:40] [Applause]

[14:41] >> good afternoon.

[14:42] I'm not going to repeat what

[14:42] everyone has said, but this is

[14:43] one of the reasons I really

[14:44] enjoy working in prince william

[14:45] county.

[14:46] It is also one of the reasons I

[14:46] feel safe about living in

[14:52] prince william county.

[14:53] If you look at the

[14:54] collaboration between on the

[14:55] right, the schools, community

[14:55] services, fire department,

[14:59] emergency management and then

[15:00] to have our elected leaders

[15:01] recognize it and say thank you

[15:01] means the world to us.

[15:06] So thank you for giving them.

[15:08] To our first responders who do

[15:08] this every single day.

[15:20] [Applause]

[15:20] >> good afternoon chair

[15:21] jefferson, members of the

[15:21] board.

[15:22] Phyllis jennings holt, director

[15:23] of social services.

[15:26] As he can see, this amazing

[15:27] group of people here.

[15:33] I was the caboose at the end.

[15:34] Social services, when I

[15:35] received the call from brian

[15:35] got into immediate action to

[15:38] find shelter for the families

[15:38] .

[15:39] That is part of the work that

[15:45] we do as a team.

[15:46] We have conversations in

[15:47] emergency management so thank

[15:48] you for the accommodation and

[15:49] I'm proud to be a part of the

[15:52] team and to help shelter the

[15:52] families that evening.

[15:53] Thank you.

[15:57] [Applause]

[15:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[15:59] I know we listed a lot of

[16:03] organizations.

[16:04] Does anyone representative with

[16:04] come up.

[16:05] I don't know if nokesville

[16:05] volunteer.

[16:05] All right.

[16:06] I feel like

[16:06] saying this.

[16:15] Come on down!

[16:16] >> a number of you were with us

[16:16] last night.

[16:20] Thank you for seeing being here

[16:21] today.

[16:21] It's nice to be a part of a

[16:22] long time collaborative

[16:26] relationship

[16:26] .

[16:27] With the school division.

[16:27] My name is ryan crow with

[16:33] prince william county school

[16:33] security.

[16:34] Want to think say thank you to

[16:35] the people who came before us.

[16:36] When I worked in the door 30

[16:40] years ago these establish

[16:41] well-known we are fortunate it

[16:42] continues to stay with everyone

[16:42] using the room.

[16:47] If things go sideways, we know

[16:48] the most important thing is to

[16:48] take care of our citizens and

[16:49] we appreciate the invitation

[16:50] here today.

[16:54] Thank you.

[16:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[17:03] I don't see anyone else coming

[17:04] down so I'm going to ask the

[17:05] board, if we can come out for a

[17:05] quick picture.

[17:06] I mean quick.

[17:07] I know some of you like to chat

[17:07] and linger.

[17:08] I know who you are.

[17:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[17:47] I really appreciate the first

[17:58] responders and I appreciate the

[17:59] people who come back to the

[17:59] dais.

[17:59] we are going to go ahead and

[18:00] move on to the consent agenda.

[18:01] I would like to ask if anyone

[18:02] would have anything that would

[18:03] like to pull.

[18:03] I'm going to poll 5j and trent

[18:05] eight.

[18:06] Does anyone have anything from

[18:07] the consent agenda they would

[18:07] like to poll?

[18:11] Don't see

[18:12] anything also I would like to

[18:12] get a motion for.

[18:13] Sorry.

[18:16] Upervisor vega

[18:17] .

[18:17] >> Yesli Vega: I was going to

[18:18] second.

[18:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[18:20] I would like to get a motion

[18:22] for 5a through 5I.

[18:23] It has been properly moved and

[18:25] seconded.

[18:29] Any discussion on those items?

[18:30] Supervisor bailey

[18:37] ?

[18:38] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[18:38] nevermind.

[18:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[18:40] all right.

[18:44] Let's go ahead and take a vote

[18:45] for those items.

[18:49] >> supervisor angry?

[18:50] >> Victor Angry: aye.

[18:56] Thank you sir.

[18:57] Vote unanimous.

[18:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[18:58] all right.

[18:59] The next item is 5j.

[19:00] Can I get a motion to move it

[19:00] forward?

[19:03] It has been properly

[19:04] moved and seconded.

[19:20] Any discussion?

[19:20] I'm sorry.

[19:21] Supervisor vega, did you have

[19:23] something

[19:24] .

[19:25] >> Yesli Vega: I did plan on

[19:30] pulling this item myself.

[19:31] i guess my questions are for

[19:32] the county attorney since that

[19:34] is what is lifted here on the

[19:34] agenda.

[19:34] I understand there are two

[19:36] appeals and an additional 17

[19:37] assessment property cases.

[19:44] Is that correct?

[19:45] >> MS. Roble: manager members

[19:46] of the board, there are two

[19:46] appeals currently before the

[19:48] court of appeals and I believe

[19:50] it is yes

[19:51] .

[19:52] 17 real estate assessment cases

[19:53] in the circuit court at this

[19:56] time.

[19:57] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.

[19:58] And where do we come up with

[20:03] the 400,000 number?

[20:04] Is it an estimate based on

[20:05] existing funds that have been

[20:06] allocated for other lawsuits or

[20:06] is there a specific breakdown

[20:17] of this amount used for legal

[20:17] fees?

[20:18] >> MS. Roble: it's an estimate

[20:19] going forward for the rest of

[20:19] the fiscal year to defend the

[20:20] boards actions.

[20:21] The board voted to appeal the

[20:21] one case and in discussions

[20:22] with

[20:23] our outside legal counsel.

[20:23] It all depends.

[20:24] There are many variables with

[20:24] the court system whether the

[20:25] court of appeals is going to

[20:27] remand it back

[20:27] .

[20:28] But this is a guesstimate with

[20:29] regards to litigation fees for

[20:31] the rest of the fiscal year.

[20:32] >> Yesli Vega: understood and

[20:33] that is where my concern comes

[20:40] from.

[20:41] Understanding we still have

[20:42] what seems to be a long road

[20:42] ahead of us.

[20:43] Would you be able to give me an

[20:44] idea as to the amount that has

[20:47] already been spent fighting the

[20:48] digital gateway.

[20:49] >> MS. Roble: I can get back to

[20:49] you will not.

[20:50] >> Yesli Vega: okay.

[20:51] So we don't have that at the

[20:51] moment.

[20:51] Would offer this to

[20:52] my colleagues that we are being

[20:53] asked to appropriate $400,000

[20:54] while still having 17

[20:58] additional items that are soon

[20:59] going to also probably more

[21:07] than likely need additional

[21:07] funding.

[21:07] Nd at some point we

[21:08] have done the tough

[21:09] conversations where do we keep

[21:10] going, which direction to be

[21:18] taken where do we draw the line

[21:19] in terms of how much are we

[21:19] going to use tax dollars to

[21:20] keep fighting these lawsuits.

[21:21] I also want to know, I don't

[21:22] know if this is questions for

[21:23] you or somebody else.

[21:23] I would like to know what the

[21:24] reserve fund is.

[21:25] >> MS. Roble: in discussion

[21:35] with the finance department,

[21:35] that fund is used whenever we

[21:36] receive complaints or vials

[21:37] against us, whether it's a

[21:37] workers comp case, an

[21:38] allegation of excessive use of

[21:47] force by the police department.

[21:48] That evolves from day to day,

[21:49] claim to claim.

[21:50] We can work with the county in

[21:50] executive get you an estimate

[21:51] of what it is.

[21:51] It is very fluid.

[21:52] It changes day-to-day based on

[21:53] allegations against of the

[21:53] county.

[21:54] >> Yesli Vega: those are all

[21:55] the questions I have.

[21:55] > Deshundra Jefferson,

[21:56] Mayor: I don't have so much any

[22:01] questions.

[22:02] I have made my stance on this

[22:03] case clear and I just want to

[22:03] be consistent.

[22:05] So I will be voting no.

[22:05] If there is no further

[22:06] discussion let's go ahead and

[22:11] take our vote.

[22:21] >> supervisor angry.

[22:22] Motion passes 5/3 supervisors

[22:26] gordy, vega, and chair stewart

[22:26] voting no.

[22:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[22:31] chair stewart?

[22:32] >> George Stewart: thank you.

[22:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[22:39] I have been wheeler, I have

[22:39] been stewart.

[22:40] At least no one can say I don't

[22:41] have a good sense of humor.

[22:41] All right.

[22:42] We are going to go to 5k.

[22:45] Before we go to this one, so I

[22:47] have had conversations with

[22:50] manasses airport

[22:50] , and they did

[22:56] have some concerns about the

[22:56] second part of this and

[22:57] supporting a name change from

[22:58] stafford regional airport of

[23:04] washington executive-staff

[23:04] regional airport.

[23:05] I would like this but the

[23:15] question.

[23:16] I would like to go ahead and

[23:16] ask for emotion.

[23:17] Unless there's any discussion

[23:19] or dissension, to approve the

[23:20] amendment to stafford regional

[23:20] airport authority agreement

[23:22] extend the term of agreement to

[23:23] FEBRUARY 28, 2070.

[23:26] >> so moved.

[23:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[23:28] any discussion?

[23:38] Let's go ahead and take a vote.

[23:40] >> vote unanimous.

[23:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[23:46] thank you so very much.

[23:47] We are now going to agenda item

[23:47] number six and that is the

[23:52] public comment time.

[23:55] Before we go on to that, we are

[23:57] going to have to take a vote to

[23:58] support a name change for the

[24:03] airport authority

[24:04] , from

[24:05] stafford regional airport to

[24:06] washington executive-stafford

[24:07] regional airport

[24:08] .

[24:13] I should ask andrea if this is

[24:19] something we do not support

[24:19] ,

[24:20] should I ask for us to deny it

[24:21] or do we support it and go

[24:22] ahead and vote it down.

[24:30] We can defer it, but it's going

[24:30] to be a date uncertain.

[24:32] I know a lot of people are

[24:33] uncomfortable with that.

[24:33] >> I move to different us to a

[24:36] date uncertain.

[24:37] >> to be have a second.

[24:38] >> Kenny Boddye: second.

[24:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[24:47] now that we have to defer this

[24:48] to a date uncertain, supervisor

[24:48] vega.

[24:49] >> Yesli Vega: I would like to

[24:49] know what the reason.

[24:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[24:54] so I had conversations with

[24:55] some folks, my appointee and

[24:56] others in the manassas regional

[24:56] airport.

[24:57] They are also looking to do a

[25:00] change.

[25:00] They had some feelings that

[25:01] this might be trying to get

[25:02] ahead of what they are looking

[25:12] to do.

[25:13] And it really is that piece

[25:14] washington executive.

[25:15] They felt that there might be

[25:16] some confusion.

[25:17] I have not had discussions with

[25:17] anyone from stafford airport.

[25:18] No one has come to me about

[25:19] this

[25:20] .

[25:20] In speaking with manasses

[25:21] airport they had concerns.

[25:22] And I would like them time for

[25:23] all of us to have a discussion

[25:24] to have a discussion about

[25:25] that

[25:25] .

[25:25] To learn what is going on with

[25:26] the manasses airport.

[25:29] Given the proximity of the

[25:31] changes they are looking,

[25:31] installing commercial service,

[25:38] that's going to have a pretty

[25:39] big impact, more significant

[25:41] impact on our community.

[25:41] That is why I would like to go

[25:45] ahead and delay this.

[25:46] >> Yesli Vega: I will let tom

[25:54] elaborator expand.

[25:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[25:55] supervisor gordy.

[25:56] >> Tom Gordy: both supervisor

[25:57] vega and I intended in meeting

[25:58] with the county executive

[25:58] shorter and county executive

[26:01] hugh yesterday.

[26:02] That topic came up about their

[26:03] name change as well

[26:03] .

[26:13] I think personally, before --

[26:14] again, no one has come to speak

[26:15] to me about this particular

[26:15] issue.

[26:19] But we have been speaking with

[26:20] manasses airport officials and

[26:24] I would like for us to get our

[26:25] ducks in a row as it relates to

[26:26] manasses airport.

[26:26] And I think that will be coming

[26:27] sooner rather than later.

[26:28] On the once we have that, we

[26:29] want to make sure that we get

[26:32] everything right before we

[26:33] paint ourselves into a corner.

[26:43] With stafford.

[26:43] That is my position and that is

[26:44] why I am deferring at this

[26:44] time.

[26:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[26:46] all right.

[26:46] Anyone else?

[26:47] I appreciate it because I have

[26:48] had the opportunity to go out

[26:53] there and have discussions with

[26:53] them.

[26:54] I don't want to get into the

[26:55] middle of this because we

[26:56] haven't spoken to stafford

[27:06] airport and there are a lot of

[27:07] things happening literally in

[27:07] our backyard or perhaps it's

[27:08] better to say the little donut

[27:09] hole within our county.

[27:10] And so do we have more

[27:10] information, yes.

[27:11] I agree delaying this to a date

[27:15] uncertain.

[27:16] Any further discussion?

[27:17] If not, let's go ahead and take

[27:20] a vote.

[27:24] >> thank you supervisor angry.

[27:33] Vote unanimous.

[27:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[27:35] now we get the public comment

[27:35] time.

[27:36] I'm so excited and

[27:36] enthusiastic.

[27:41] I have a sheet.

[27:42] We have a few people signed up.

[27:43] I see some new names pick what

[27:44] I'm going to do is I'm going to

[27:45] call everyone up in groups of

[27:49] five.

[27:50] Please state your name and the

[27:51] magisterial district where you

[27:51] reside.

[27:52] You don't need to give your

[27:53] address unless you want us to

[27:54] show up for lunch or dinner.

[27:55] Up there you will see a screen

[27:55] .

[27:59] It's going to be a timer.

[28:00] You three minutes.

[28:01] I will call the first person.

[28:02] I think it is leslie mayne,

[28:03] carrie lee carrington, [Name]

[28:03] ,

[28:04] susie more steam.

[28:26] You may

[28:26] begin.

[28:27] >> Public Speaker: hello.

[28:35] My name is lee soul and I live

[28:36] in the occoquan district.

[28:37] I am a musician and I play with

[28:37] 70 to 80 other musicians who

[28:44] live throughout prince william

[28:44] county.

[28:45] The groups I'm in perform all

[28:46] throughout prince william

[28:46] county the gainesville all the

[28:51] way down the woodbridge.

[28:51] I would like to speak about

[28:53] item 11 c, the motion to

[28:53] dissolve the prince william

[28:54] county arts council.

[28:54] I'm deeply concerned that

[29:05] action being taken is in haste.

[29:06] I want to explain why the arts

[29:06] council matters but not just to

[29:07] me as a local musician but the

[29:10] volunteer arts groups that

[29:11] serve this county.

[29:12] My first and most serious

[29:12] concern is the lack of notice

[29:13] and transparency.

[29:14] According to the virginia

[29:16] history, item 11 was added

[29:17] DECEMBER 9, one week before the

[29:22] meeting.

[29:23] And I understand even members

[29:23] of the

[29:24] arts councils board were

[29:28] blindsided by the proposal.

[29:28] I played the -- in the prince

[29:33] william county bound and it is

[29:34] an all volunteer nonprofit

[29:34] ensemble.

[29:38] And I perform in a quintet

[29:38] called the queen winds that

[29:39] operate under the bands

[29:48] umbrella.

[29:49] The arts council supports

[29:49] groups like ours.

[29:50] Not just through funding access

[29:51] but coordination, promotion,

[29:53] partnership and institutional

[29:53] knowledge.

[29:54] For example, the arts council

[30:00] help fertility rehearsal and

[30:01] performance space including

[30:02] discounted access to school

[30:06] facilities and community venues

[30:07] eliminating the arts council

[30:07] without a clearly defined

[30:08] operational replacement could

[30:10] make concert programming more

[30:11] difficult and costly for our

[30:16] group.

[30:17] It would also limit our ability

[30:18] to provide free concerts for

[30:20] the community.

[30:21] My quintet has performed over

[30:23] 30 free concerts in the past

[30:30] you three years in addition to

[30:31] the 15 to 20 concerts the

[30:31] principal them community band

[30:35] has put on.

[30:36] Who performed at senior

[30:37] centers, assisted living

[30:38] communities, churches, and

[30:42] county community events

[30:43] .

[30:44] Want to our recent performances

[30:45] at that community day was

[30:46] facilitated directly by the

[30:46] arts council.

[30:47] These connections don't happen

[30:48] automatically.

[30:49] It happened because there's a

[30:58] central county supported body

[30:59] making them happen in arts

[31:00] alive is another example.

[31:01] This festival showcases

[31:01] everyone from small volunteer

[31:04] ensembles to large orchestras,

[31:05] along with dance and visual

[31:05] arts groups

[31:06] from across the

[31:06] county.

[31:07] It takes months and months of

[31:18] planning, and extensive

[31:19] volunteer coordination.

[31:20] The arts alive is a public

[31:21] asset built through long

[31:22] stewardship and turning it over

[31:23] abruptly to private model risks

[31:25] disrupting continuity and

[31:26] eroding community trust.

[31:26] Arts council is helping us plan

[31:27] a woodwind workshop for middle

[31:30] school and high school students

[31:32] , and educational opportunity

[31:33] that would not exist without

[31:39] their coordination.

[31:40] If improvements to the arts

[31:40] councils are needed they need

[31:41] to address the reform and not

[31:42] sudden dissolution.

[31:42] Hat needs

[31:49] to be a viable in place.

[31:50] >> Public Speaker: good

[31:59] afternoon.

[32:00] Thank you for allowing me the

[32:00] opportunity to speak today.

[32:02] My name is carol lee carrington

[32:03] and I am the current elected

[32:04] chair for the prince william

[32:08] county arts council.

[32:09] My roll has included being on

[32:12] the arts council board for the

[32:13] past eight years.

[32:15] I am also the founder of in ceo

[32:15] .

[32:18] I want the state with the

[32:24] utmost respect am disappointed

[32:27] regarding the current proposal

[32:28] for the dissolution of the arts

[32:29] council.

[32:32] Neither I nor the membership

[32:39] were notified of this proposed

[32:39] resolution.

[32:40] The lack of engagement is

[32:44] concerning, particularly as I

[32:45] have sought the opportunities

[32:50] to meet with county leaderships

[32:51] and discuss the challenges

[32:52] facing the arts council on

[32:52] possible solutions.

[32:55] Many of

[32:56] the requests have gone

[32:56] unanswered.

[33:00] While the resolution asserts

[33:01] the current arts council is

[33:02] insufficient to advance the

[33:06] arts grooming, I emphasize

[33:07] dissolving the county arts

[33:11] council would remove public

[33:12] oversight, transparency, and

[33:14] equitable access.

[33:16] as a privately operated model

[33:22] without county oversight

[33:23] ,

[33:23] inherently risks excluding

[33:24] artists, organizations, and

[33:32] community members rely on the

[33:33] fear and inclusive process of

[33:33] the arts council.

[33:34] The arts council currently

[33:35] serve 69 members, which include

[33:38] private artists as well as many

[33:40] organizations.

[33:44] And manages an approved budget

[33:45] and support the growing arts

[33:49] community.

[33:50] These facts demonstrate not

[33:51] failure but the need for

[33:52] collaboration, guidance, and

[33:54] the thoughtful reform.

[33:58] Programs like arts alive have

[33:59] long-standing value as a public

[34:02] benefits and they deserve

[34:14] stewardship that includes

[34:14] accountability.

[34:15] I respectfully urge the board

[34:16] to pause the resolution and

[34:17] engage directly with the arts

[34:18] council leadership and its

[34:18] members

[34:18] .

[34:19] Reform as possible, but it

[34:22] needs to be done with the arts

[34:32] community around it and not

[34:33] excluding us from this process.

[34:34] The dissolution of the arts

[34:35] council at this time without

[34:35] discussion or transparency

[34:36] risks undermining the community

[34:41] and the creative that we serve.

[34:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[34:42] thank you.

[34:45] Next speaker, please

[34:57] .

[34:59] You MAY proceed

[35:00] .

[35:01] >> Public Speaker: MAY speak

[35:02] now?

[35:03] Good afternoon.

[35:05] I'm debbie madsen

[35:05] .

[35:11] i am a former elementary

[35:12] through high school music

[35:12] teacher in prince william

[35:17] county.

[35:18] If you are sitting and can't

[35:19] see me want to turn around,

[35:20] that's okay because I'm used to

[35:21] being at the front of the room.

[35:24] Today we are dealing with the

[35:30] possibility of the arts

[35:30] council.

[35:30] I have a

[35:31] lot of friends in the

[35:34] room today.

[35:35] I'm sure you will heal various

[35:37] things from various people.

[35:39] My thought is I'm in agreement

[35:42] with the first two speakers in

[35:49] that this proposal appeared

[35:49] very suddenly.

[35:50] When I was working and was a

[35:51] board member of the arts

[35:55] council and the leader of one

[35:56] hour small groups, if I wanted

[36:03] to have a meeting I had to

[36:04] announce it publicly a certain

[36:05] amount of ahead of time so

[36:08] anyone could attend the

[36:12] discussion at those meetings.

[36:13] As I was leaving the house to

[36:16] date my husband who is also in

[36:18] a band got an email this was

[36:25] going to be brought up today.

[36:26] My proposal is that you listen

[36:27] carefully to all the people who

[36:27] speak.

[36:36] I think perhaps a pause is a

[36:36] good idea.

[36:37] I am the mother of a ballerina

[36:38] so I know some of the ballet

[36:40] stories

[36:43] .

[36:44] If you don't know the story of

[36:45] sleeping beauty from having

[36:45] been to the ballet, you MAY

[36:46] have seen the movie as a child.

[36:47] Sleeping beauty is supposed to

[36:48] die when she parks her finger,

[36:52] but I think in the ballet it's

[36:55] the violet very arrives and

[37:03] changes that to falling asleep.

[37:05] I don't know if we can propose

[37:09] a little more time to consider

[37:09] what we are going to do with

[37:12] sleeping beauty here.

[37:14] I know your jobs are difficult

[37:15] .

[37:18] But I think you need to hear

[37:23] from people.

[37:24] He talked about the large

[37:39] presence we have here today.

[37:40] The bands, the choirs, the

[37:41] orchestras, the dance

[37:42] organizations, the arts

[37:42] organizations, the people

[37:43] putting on plays.

[37:44] We could not fit them all in

[37:45] this room door in that room nor

[37:46] even throughout the building.

[37:47] We are representing a lot of

[37:47] people.

[37:48] That is really all I have to

[37:52] say.

[37:53] Please think carefully about

[37:53] this decision today and if

[38:02] there is a way to postpone it

[38:03] or get input or develop a small

[38:03] group that can help and advice

[38:04] you, perhaps that's a

[38:08] possibility.

[38:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[38:10] before you leave say where you

[38:11] reside because he didn't say

[38:14] that at the top.

[38:15] >> Public Speaker: and from

[38:15] neabsco.

[38:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[38:17] and carol lee, if you can see

[38:18] where you resign.

[38:19] Masking karoly now if she can

[38:21] go to the microphone.

[38:25] She also didn't mention that.

[38:26] >> Public Speaker: we are just

[38:27] passionate and forgot where we

[38:30] are from.

[38:31] >> Public Speaker: I am

[38:45] carefully parent carrington

[38:47] from the gainesville district.

[38:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[38:49] I've got to get better with

[38:49] that.

[38:50] That is one of my new year's

[38:50] resolutions.

[38:51] State your name and where

[38:51] you're from.

[38:52] >> Public Speaker: originally

[38:53] from ohio but I have lived in

[38:54] prince william county since

[38:55] 1980 and I live in the coles

[38:55] district.

[38:56] My name is susie.

[38:56] I have been involved with

[38:58] theater probably since I came

[38:59] out of the

[39:03] womb, or so my

[39:04] mother has said.

[39:05] When I moved to this county

[39:05] there was not very much to do

[39:08] when it came to theater.

[39:09] A few friends of mine, we got

[39:14] together and created prince

[39:14] william theater.

[39:15] As of OCTOBER we are 41 years

[39:19] going.

[39:19] Right from the very beginning

[39:22] the government of the county

[39:23] has at a grant system that has

[39:25] supported us

[39:26] .

[39:30] Up until last year we still

[39:31] continued to get great things

[39:34] from the arts council we have a

[39:36] lot of great programs we have

[39:37] because of the grants we

[39:37] received.

[39:43] Now, I am here

[39:44] because I'm a member and

[39:44] director of prince william

[39:57] little theater, but I also

[39:57] speak on behalf of all of the

[39:58] arts organizations.

[39:59] I agree with the ladies who

[40:00] spoke before me.

[40:00] A little history.

[40:01] There used to be an

[40:01] organization called the

[40:02] cultural arts federation.

[40:03] And they are sort of what

[40:05] grants were funneled through.

[40:06] It worked very well for many

[40:07] years and then we got up to

[40:07] 22

[40:09] members, much less than what

[40:13] we have now.

[40:14] The park authority decided it

[40:20] was best they take over the

[40:20] granting and facilitate.

[40:21] From that became the arts

[40:22] council.

[40:29] It has been a continuous thing.

[40:30] I do hope as the young ladies

[40:30] that spoke before me, because I

[40:35] am the oldest person here, that

[40:36] you take time to think about

[40:36] it.

[40:36] Artists are very special

[40:42] people.

[40:43] We think differently.

[40:44] I am married to an attorney.

[40:44] He has

[40:45] the greatest left brain

[40:46] I've ever seen but I am all

[40:46] right brain.

[40:48] We work together really well

[40:48] .

[40:49] I hope that you will listen to

[40:52] some of these people who really

[41:01] believe in what they do because

[41:02] they are volunteers.

[41:03] Prince william theater is a

[41:03] total volunteer organization.

[41:05] Most of these organizations of

[41:06] people do them because they

[41:07] love what they do and they

[41:08] don't expect anything out of it

[41:15] except some joy and to get back

[41:16] joy.

[41:16] Now I'm going to give you back

[41:17] your 44 seconds.

[41:18] Thank you very much.

[41:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[41:20] thank you.

[41:20] I don't know is if.

[41:21] [Name] Wanted to speak, but if

[41:24] so -- okay.

[41:25] All right.

[41:29] I just didn't mark you.

[41:30] Rob thompson, herb williams,

[41:34] don

[41:38] .

[41:46] ?

[42:01] And season.

[42:02] You MAY proceed.

[42:03] >> Public Speaker: thank you

[42:04] councilmembers for having us

[42:06] here today.

[42:07] My name is bob thompson.

[42:08] I'm the current PRESIDENT Of

[42:09] prince william little theater.

[42:10] I work with susie almost on the

[42:13] daily.

[42:14] We are members of the board.

[42:17] As you mentioned, prince little

[42:18] theater is 41 years old and

[42:18] growing strong.

[42:24] We have been an original member

[42:25] of the council going back 41

[42:31] years.

[42:32] The process of this again, I

[42:34] disagree with the fact the

[42:38] county came up suddenly.

[42:39] I didn't know anything about it

[42:46] being the PRESIDENT On the

[42:46] board and the company that

[42:47] people start calling me saying

[42:48] to do know about this?

[42:49] This is happening tomorrow.

[42:50] Nd you get there and say

[42:50] something?

[42:50] I looked it up.

[42:54] I have someone send me the

[42:55] resolutions.

[42:55] I'm surprised.

[43:01] I know that there been problems

[43:01] .

[43:02] I've been to several arts

[43:03] council meetings.

[43:03] Having a very good standing

[43:04] with them.

[43:04] I did find there

[43:05] were some issues and things

[43:11] that can be worked out.

[43:11] As a member of several boards

[43:12] I've been a theater member for

[43:13] 30 years and I have been on the

[43:15] corporate councils as a senior

[43:19] arts director marketing person.

[43:20] I know there are problems,

[43:21] their communication

[43:26] issues.

[43:27] i don't know how far back this

[43:28] goes with you all, but for us

[43:36] to hear about it now is a

[43:37] little except upsetting.

[43:38] I might call for a delay so it

[43:39] could be properly discussed so

[43:40] that we the arts members can be

[43:40] included in this

[43:48] .

[43:49] As I see it, it is almost a

[43:50] done fact and I would like the

[43:51] fact to be researched.

[43:53] It would be very important.

[43:54] I was told the money will keep

[43:55] coming.

[43:55] The grant money will still be

[43:56] there and we will still get it.

[44:01] My worry is when the council is

[44:02] dissolved, what the process

[44:11] going to be?

[44:12] Form a new one, start from

[44:12] scratch.

[44:13] Know it comes from

[44:14] the park authority and I

[44:14] appreciate that.

[44:15] I trusted them but I wonder if

[44:16] this process has been thought

[44:18] through enough as we depend a

[44:24] lot on this money

[44:24] .

[44:25] As soon as you said we are

[44:25] volunteers.

[44:26] We are constantly begging for

[44:26] sponsors

[44:27] .

[44:30] Anybody to come help us

[44:31] overcome expenses and put on

[44:32] the kind of art we like to put

[44:35] forward to in the residence

[44:37] outside.

[44:42] On that point I feel, I would

[44:43] like to call for a delay in a

[44:47] discussion in a public basis is

[45:04] amount to look into this and

[45:05] avoid an arts meltdown in the

[45:05] county.

[45:07] Again, thank you for your time.

[45:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[45:09] what magisterial district are

[45:09] you.

[45:10] > Public Speaker: I knew

[45:10] that was going to happen.

[45:11] I live in manassas

[45:13] but I am the

[45:13] coles district.

[45:14] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[45:15] thank you.

[45:16] Next speaker, please pick.

[45:17] >> Public Speaker: I am season.

[45:18] I need to switch because I have

[45:22] a concert at 3:30 P.M. I live

[45:23] in manassas but I have been a

[45:24] prince william county teacher.

[45:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[45:26] what magisterial district.

[45:27] >> Public Speaker: city of

[45:27] manassas.

[45:30] I am a board member on the arts

[45:30] council.

[45:34] I am also chair the arts and

[45:35] education committee bringing

[45:36] arts to the students and

[45:36] students to the arts.

[45:39] In fact, we friday group from

[45:40] patriot high school coming into

[45:41] art factory to do an art

[45:44] gallery tour and an art

[45:47] painting demonstration and they

[45:48] can take if you will with an

[45:50] artist from this area.

[46:02] I would like to thank you for

[46:03] your continued support for so

[46:04] many years.

[46:04] I have only been a member.

[46:05] This is my fourth year once I

[46:05] retired.

[46:06] Masses and you are not doing

[46:07] anything tuesday nights.

[46:08] Why don't you go.

[46:08] And I said yes.

[46:09] I love the arts in expression

[46:13] and ability to have for people

[46:14] to just grow as human beings.

[46:18] You get the many volunteers an

[46:18] opportunity to serve and share

[46:26] the arts in our community.

[46:26] I would ask you listen

[46:27] carefully to the speakers

[46:28] today.

[46:28] I've heard statements i

[46:29] totally agree with about the

[46:37] arts council.

[46:38] I think we have room to grow

[46:38] together, to work together as

[46:39] the board, the arts council,

[46:42] board of supervisors and anyone

[46:42] that can help bring forward

[46:43] what needs to happen in order

[46:44] for the arts council to

[46:45] continue.

[46:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[46:53] next speaker, please.

[46:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[47:01] you can adjust it.

[47:02] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[47:03] herbert williams

[47:04] .

[47:06] I'm a resident of woodbridge.

[47:16] Chair, members of the board and

[47:17] on executives of the public.

[47:18] Before I speak about the

[47:19] resolution to dissolve the arts

[47:19] council I need to speak clearly

[47:20] and directly about myself

[47:21] because decisions like this are

[47:22] being made without the full

[47:25] truth of what happened in my

[47:26] name has been used without my

[47:28] voice on numerous occasions

[47:36] .

[47:37] My name is herb williams.

[47:37] Of

[47:37] professional arts

[47:39] administrator, educator and

[47:39] performer with 35 years of

[47:40] experience.

[47:40] Accepted the roll of the arts

[47:42] integration specialist in 2022.

[47:47] Because I believe prince

[47:51] william county is ready to

[47:52] build an arts ecosystem that

[47:53] was equitable, visible, and

[47:56] intentional not symbolic.

[48:00] I did not walk away lightly and

[48:01] I did not walk away and

[48:01] possibly

[48:02] .

[48:05] Walked away because remaining

[48:08] would have required my silence

[48:09] in the face of practices I knew

[48:17] were wrong.

[48:19] Early in my tenant and began to

[48:19] encounter conditions that

[48:20] obstructed the work was hired

[48:24] to do.

[48:24] Programs approved by my

[48:25] immediate supervisor were later

[48:30] removed without explanation.

[48:31] Volunteer leaders and arts

[48:37] council members were dismissed

[48:39] ,

[48:40] talked down to, by two or

[48:40] undermined.

[48:41] Ethics to engage youth,

[48:42] emerging artists, and

[48:42] underrepresented communities

[48:43] were slowed and discouraged.

[48:45] I was repeatedly questioned for

[48:47] taking initiatives all being

[48:48] given no meaningful pathway to

[48:53] advance the work

[48:53] .

[48:54] At the same time I was asked to

[48:55] maintain the appearance of

[48:56] progress.

[48:59] In this moment I realize

[48:59] something critical.

[49:05] The issue

[49:06] is not capacity, the issue was

[49:06] not structure, the issue was

[49:08] will.

[49:11] I did not come in with what I

[49:15] believe is a responsible county

[49:17] employees should do.

[49:20] I wasn't capable of doing in

[49:22] that situation so I worked

[49:26] around it.

[49:27] I raised questions, reached out

[49:31] to supervisors not to secure or

[49:35] accuse anything, but to explain

[49:36] .

[49:37] I offered solutions grounded in

[49:39] professional experience

[49:40] .

[49:41] I work beyond my paid hours ago

[49:47] represented prince with them

[49:47] county in regional spaces and

[49:48] returned those resources

[49:49] directly back to the arts

[49:50] council because integrity

[49:56] mattered to me

[49:56] .

[49:57] There were only two supervisors

[49:58] I was able to have listened to

[50:02] gain audience with the.

[50:03] One by telephone, which was a

[50:03] 45 minute conversation with

[50:09] supervisor bailey.

[50:10] The next was supervisor angry

[50:14] who sat with me on a sunday and

[50:15] previously after that on a

[50:15] saturday.

[50:21] There comes a point public

[50:22] service when you must decide

[50:23] whether your roll is to comply

[50:28] or protect the mission.

[50:29] I was told directly by the

[50:29] director, overseeing the arts

[50:30] council that it was his hope

[50:31] the arts council.

[50:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[50:36] I apologize.

[50:37] Our timer went down.

[50:38] You have gone over the three

[50:39] minutes but thank you.

[50:41] I apologize

[50:41] .

[50:41] Thank you.

[50:47] >> Public Speaker: good

[50:53] afternoon MADAM Chair and

[50:54] supervisors.

[50:54] My name is don.

[50:55] I live in the woodbridge

[50:59] district.

[51:00] I am elected on the arts

[51:01] council the vice chair

[51:03] programming, also the appointee

[51:04] of occoquan district supervisor

[51:05] boddye.

[51:05] Today I speak on behalf of

[51:09] myself and my position as

[51:10] someone involved in the arts

[51:12] and arts community with my own

[51:15] business as well as a poet, a

[51:19] writer and an author.

[51:20] And I sat on the board for the

[51:24] past two years.

[51:24] I want to speak to the lack of

[51:27] notice and transparency of the

[51:29] request for the disillusion on

[51:30] the agenda.

[51:34] We were not notified

[51:35] , nor is a

[51:36] member of the arts council

[51:37] .

[51:39] Having to participate as vice

[51:40] chair programming in any

[51:44] meeting we have with a small

[51:44] group or

[51:45] council group or

[51:48] changes, the notification

[51:49] required with 3 to 5 days

[51:50] business days notice we were

[51:55] not given any type of notice

[51:55] like that.

[51:56] I want to speak to the lack of

[51:59] communication with us as a

[52:00] board regarding lawrence

[52:01] council with whatever issues

[52:04] have been going on to come to

[52:09] the point of dissolution.

[52:10] I do agree that there have been

[52:11] several issues with arts

[52:12] council, especially within the

[52:15] past 4 to 6 months.

[52:15] I never thought it would be

[52:18] something we could not work

[52:19] through, talked through and

[52:19] come to some type of

[52:25] resolution.

[52:26] I would like to ask for a

[52:27] weight, and delay in the

[52:34] dissolving of the arts council

[52:35] and see what we can do to bring

[52:35] it together.

[52:37] Roles and responsibilities need

[52:38] to be better defined and take a

[52:38] look at the charter as there

[52:42] were mistakes and that.

[52:43] For example, the one we had

[52:44] still said tourism, but it was

[52:45] being handled by the department

[52:53] of parks and recreation.

[52:54] I just want to request there be

[52:56] a delay in the dissolution the

[52:56] arts council.

[52:57] The arts council serves a great

[52:58] purpose in the community and

[53:03] under working hard with the

[53:03] member the arts council to

[53:04] spread the word about the arts

[53:05] council because so many

[53:06] residents in prince william

[53:13] county are not aware of the

[53:14] arts council and the work they

[53:15] do but they want to be

[53:15] represented.

[53:16] I had the opportunity to

[53:16] participate in victor increase

[53:17] community day.

[53:18] I did a tent in the park to let

[53:23] residents know about arts

[53:24] council and it was wonderful.

[53:25] So many people learned about

[53:26] the arts council and I got to

[53:38] give away all the -- to the

[53:38] people in the community and

[53:39] they wanted to know how they

[53:40] could be a part.

[53:41] It would be sad to see this go

[53:41] and it was

[53:42] something that is

[53:42] definitely needed.

[53:43] I think if we put our heads

[53:44] together we can make it better

[53:44] than it ever has been.

[53:45] Thank you for your time.

[53:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[53:46] thank you.

[53:50] And I would like to have kelly

[53:59] and jill.

[54:00] >> Public Speaker: good

[54:14] afternoon MADAM Chair.

[54:15] My name is kelly and I am a

[54:16] prince william county full-time

[54:17] artist and ceo of minor

[54:17] miracles, PRESIDENT Of art of

[54:18] life charities, and all

[54:19] volunteer prince william county

[54:20] based nonprofit 501(C)(3),

[54:21] current secretary in

[54:22] brentsville district appointee

[54:25] for supervisor gordy and I have

[54:26] been volunteering with arts

[54:26] council in several capacities

[54:27] since 2019 and I've been in the

[54:28] county and the brentsville

[54:29] district since 1998.

[54:30] I'm taken back as everyone

[54:31] mentioned by the total lack of

[54:31] transparency and communication

[54:40] and plans

[54:41] , especially plans

[54:42] regarding a motion to dissolve

[54:42] the arts council.

[54:43] In less than two weeks from

[54:43] today.

[54:44] This is an important counsel

[54:45] that has been around for

[54:45] decades

[54:46] the prince william county

[54:47] strategic plan, which is

[54:55] mentioned in this motion states

[54:56] enhanced opportunities for

[54:57] engagement and communication

[54:58] between the public and county

[54:59] government fostering dialogue,

[55:00] feedback and follow-up to

[55:01] promote the shared

[55:01] trust,

[55:02] understanding and transparency.

[55:03] Including formalized response

[55:04] time and metrics.

[55:06] The arts council chair and

[55:07] executive board were not

[55:10] consulted at all.

[55:11] The dissolution motion states

[55:12] whereas the county arts

[55:12] community is growing at a

[55:14] fast-paced.

[55:18] Or of the data and metrics

[55:19] provided for the statement.

[55:20] The motion also states existing

[55:23] arts council is not conducive

[55:24] for advancing arts programming

[55:32] in education at the pace and

[55:33] skill appropriate for a

[55:34] community the size of prince

[55:34] william.

[55:35] Did you know each of the arts

[55:36] council allocated $65,000 for

[55:39] the entire programs and is

[55:40] denied funding for proposed

[55:42] ideas recommended by the arts

[55:43] council.

[55:44] Each of the unused money goes

[55:49] back for whatever nonrelated,

[55:50] non-art related projects but

[55:58] the director feels should be

[55:59] used for motion states greeting

[56:00] an opportunity to explore a new

[56:00] organizational

[56:01] model to

[56:02] accelerate the county strategic

[56:02] plan goals.

[56:03] Do you have a copy of the new

[56:04] organizational plan model?

[56:07] What part are you referring to

[56:08] as you are accelerating by

[56:09] dissolving the council.

[56:18] The strategic plan innovate and

[56:19] localize how the county

[56:20] communicates, delivers, and

[56:21] engages the dissolution of the

[56:22] motion of the arts council

[56:23] states transitioning all county

[56:24] aren't events to a private

[56:25] entity.

[56:26] I could go on but I wanted to

[56:27] say was recently voted as the

[56:28] public arts task force person

[56:31] as I been on a track to get

[56:32] prompt public art in our county

[56:34] for years since 2022, but I've

[56:48] learned that can't happen until

[56:49] we have a public art policy in

[56:49] place.

[56:50] We can't even a public art

[56:50] until the policies in place,

[56:51] which won't happen until the

[56:52] earliest 2027 which doesn't

[56:53] align with your strategic plan.

[56:54] As county supervisors if you

[56:55] don't have the answers to the

[56:56] questions a more which I don't

[56:59] have time to tell you about,

[57:00] you cannot good faith but the

[57:01] motion forward.

[57:02] This motion should be denied

[57:02] and that should be discussed

[57:03] with arts council team and the

[57:06] board and I wish director voss

[57:07] and the team are here today to

[57:09] address this important thing.

[57:09] Thank you.

[57:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[57:20] next speaker, please.

[57:21] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[57:22] jill and I'm the executive

[57:22] director of the northern

[57:23] virginia affordable housing

[57:24] lien so thank you for the

[57:26] opportunity to speak today show

[57:27] support for item 11 which is

[57:27] the resolution to

[57:28] address

[57:28] housing obtain ability fast

[57:33] track measures.

[57:33] As board of county supervisors

[57:34] past housing chapter the comp

[57:35] plan, just over three years ago

[57:36] to date we know you been

[57:37] working hard to address housing

[57:39] of art ability by improving the

[57:40] affordable dwelling unit

[57:41] ordinance and the affordable

[57:53] housing fund and the guidelines

[57:54] to support that fund, which we

[57:55] know where to best practices we

[57:56] know this work has been patient

[57:57] and slow and so I commend your

[57:58] consideration to look at

[57:59] additional methods to fast

[57:59] track or green tape housing

[58:00] projects that address housing

[58:08] affordability.

[58:08] Before initiatives ranging from

[58:09] using land owned by faith

[58:10] communities to access a really

[58:11] living units to dining homes to

[58:12] using county owned land to help

[58:14] develop attainable housing.

[58:17] We

[58:17] are seeing this happen in

[58:18] another jurisdiction so

[58:21] appreciate prince william

[58:27] county is taking a look at it.

[58:28] Think it is a potential to

[58:29] address housing affordability

[58:30] issues in the county.

[58:36] Thank you for the time.

[58:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[58:38] thank you so very much.

[58:39] We don't have anyone signed up.

[58:39] I ask everyone to make sure you

[58:40] have a seat if you are going to

[58:45] be in board chambers.

[58:45] Not my role, fire marshal.

[58:46] I am now going to go to promote

[58:47] public comment time.

[58:48] supervisor bailey.

[58:48] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[58:49] thank you very much.

[58:50] Are we ready to start?

[58:56] !

[58:56] Good afternoon.

[58:57] Yes, we are.

[58:57] Our first speaker will be MISS

[58:58] Sarah.

[58:59] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[59:01] you can begin, please.

[59:10] >> Public Speaker: I am sarah

[59:11] and I reside in the brentsville

[59:11] district.

[59:12] I am a resident in my family

[59:13] and I are fortunate to own a

[59:21] home that backed up to the open

[59:22] wooded space in the community.

[59:23] The proposed dominion energy

[59:24] blue line will destroy the land

[59:25] in place powerlines incredibly

[59:26] close to my private backyard.

[59:27] Here to say, think that ask you

[59:28] to insert your authority until

[59:28] dominion energy that you would

[59:32] not approved the easements for

[59:32] the roof I blue line

[59:39] transmission.

[59:39] We need you to wait for

[59:40] dominion energy to file with

[59:44] the fcc in 2026 or it will be

[59:54] too late.

[59:55] 70 percent of projects filed or

[59:55] approved.

[59:57] The best time to stockton is

[1:00:08] before they are filed.

[1:00:08] We know that you have said no

[1:00:09] to dominion before.

[1:00:10] In fact, that happen twice.

[1:00:11] The board stopped dominion for

[1:00:14] the carver road project and

[1:00:15] horn baker proposed routes

[1:00:16] forcing dominion to find the

[1:00:17] other routes peer group 5 goes

[1:00:18] through county protected open

[1:00:20] space as well as ghostly

[1:00:24] protective conservation area on

[1:00:27] patriot high school.

[1:00:28] Route 5 goes did the county

[1:00:30] parkland.

[1:00:31] this will destroy the areas

[1:00:37] whether they are above or below

[1:00:37] ground.

[1:00:38] These would cause even more

[1:00:39] devastation in place a line in

[1:00:41] between a natural gas and oil

[1:00:44] line, which is very dangerous

[1:00:45] to give aboveground the towers

[1:00:54] would cause approximately 30

[1:00:54] percent lower property values,

[1:00:55] as well as being extremely

[1:00:56] close to our backyards.

[1:00:57] Route 5 will be closed at

[1:00:58] patriot high school and t clay

[1:00:58] wood elementary school.

[1:01:01] On the areas listed above under

[1:01:02] the county jurisdiction

[1:01:02] .

[1:01:06] In order to move forward,

[1:01:07] dominion needs you to grant

[1:01:11] easements across these areas

[1:01:17] along the route 5 blueline.

[1:01:17] Us the board don't have to

[1:01:18] grant these easements.

[1:01:21] You can say no to dominion

[1:01:22] route 5 blueline now.

[1:01:27] Thank you very much.

[1:01:28] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:01:30] next speaker, please.

[1:01:51] MS. Gardner, please begin.

[1:01:52] >> Public Speaker: good

[1:01:53] afternoon board, county

[1:01:54] supervisors thank you for

[1:01:54] allowing me to speak today.

[1:01:55] Eitan katie gardner.

[1:01:57] I live in the brentsville

[1:01:57] district and I too am here to

[1:01:58] talk about urging you to stop

[1:01:59] dominion in the jeep proposed

[1:02:02] blueline.

[1:02:03] I speak with the perspective as

[1:02:04] a mother of four and a proud

[1:02:07] military wife

[1:02:08] .

[1:02:09] My family chose to live in

[1:02:10] prince william county three

[1:02:15] years ago when we moved here

[1:02:16] after much research.

[1:02:17] I have loved every moment of

[1:02:18] living here in prince william

[1:02:20] county.

[1:02:21] I have lived all over the

[1:02:22] country and I can say prince

[1:02:23] william county to meet is the

[1:02:24] closest and it's really great

[1:02:28] and I love it so much

[1:02:28] .

[1:02:29] I feel like that vision is

[1:02:30] about to shatter at the

[1:02:31] proposed powerline route gets

[1:02:32] approved.

[1:02:32] The blue line 1. I'm really

[1:02:36] worried about it even reaching

[1:02:38] the ssc.

[1:02:41] As many of spoken before behind

[1:02:42] where I live is a bunch of

[1:02:53] woods where my children spend

[1:02:53] their entire summers.

[1:02:54] They are often out exploring,

[1:02:55] building, experiencing

[1:02:57] childhood as it should be.

[1:02:58] But this blueline will destroy

[1:03:07] this natural habitat, eliminate

[1:03:08] their safe outdoor space in but

[1:03:09] hazardous, noisy, industrial I

[1:03:10] sort right where they used to

[1:03:10] play.

[1:03:11] It will kill the wildlife,/are

[1:03:12] property values and limit our

[1:03:13] children's option for outdoor

[1:03:13] play.

[1:03:14] We cannot allow taxpayer

[1:03:20] dollars to fund this expensive

[1:03:20] extension cord for data centers

[1:03:22] for the project prioritizes

[1:03:23] temporary needs over the

[1:03:25] long-term well-being of

[1:03:28] citizens you represent.

[1:03:32] I implore you to consider this

[1:03:33] long-term impact on the

[1:03:33] community.

[1:03:34] Is another county plans on

[1:03:35] extending the four your

[1:03:46] assignment with the space for

[1:03:47] us to try to live here longer

[1:03:48] because we love it here so

[1:03:48] much.

[1:03:49] If the towers are built I see

[1:03:49] no other option than moving

[1:03:52] away once his assignment ends,

[1:03:53] which absolutely breaks my

[1:03:53] heart.

[1:03:54] I recommended prince william

[1:03:56] county to so many fellow

[1:03:56] military families, and I

[1:03:57] believe this is a great place

[1:04:00] to live.

[1:04:00] If corporate needs are deemed

[1:04:11] more important than citizens, I

[1:04:12] feel like I can no longer

[1:04:12] represent this area.

[1:04:13] Prince william county risks not

[1:04:14] just losing my family but

[1:04:16] damaging its reputation and

[1:04:16] jeopardizing future military

[1:04:17] connected schools enrollment

[1:04:17] and funding.

[1:04:18] We believe you have the power

[1:04:19] to stop this before dominion

[1:04:33] files we are desperate and

[1:04:34] can't do it without you.

[1:04:34] I urge you to vote no and

[1:04:36] protect our community and

[1:04:37] children in the high quality of

[1:04:38] life that makes prince william

[1:04:39] county so special.

[1:04:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:04:41] next speaker, please.

[1:04:42] >> our next is david.

[1:04:42] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:04:43] please begin.

[1:04:47] >> Public Speaker: david.

[1:04:47] I also live in the bristow,

[1:04:48] part of the brentsville

[1:04:50] district.

[1:04:51] I am here talking on the same

[1:04:54] issue, the blue line.

[1:04:55] I work from home several days a

[1:04:57] week.

[1:04:57] My window looks out on a

[1:04:59] beautiful tree line the homes

[1:05:06] behind me.

[1:05:07] If dominion comes in, they are

[1:05:08] going to destroy these trees

[1:05:13] and destroy the habitat.

[1:05:13] I walk, I run, my children walk

[1:05:14] and run along the path into the

[1:05:15] parkland

[1:05:15] on the roadways here.

[1:05:20] It will be ruined.

[1:05:20] i get up in the morning, I see

[1:05:21] deer and coyote, fox and

[1:05:22] raccoon

[1:05:22] .

[1:05:24] We have endangered toads around

[1:05:25] the area.

[1:05:29] The blue line will destroy

[1:05:29] that.

[1:05:30] I'm concerned about my

[1:05:30] neighbors

[1:05:44] .

[1:05:45] I am from california when I

[1:05:46] went to high school and college

[1:05:47] become seen the devastation

[1:05:48] wildfires cause, but I see what

[1:05:49] happens after the fact when the

[1:05:50] vegetation and the trees are

[1:05:51] gone, the homes on mountain

[1:05:52] corridor on home hills and if

[1:05:53] the trees are gone, what's

[1:05:53] going to happen with the

[1:05:54] weather roshan?

[1:05:55] When I went to a dominion

[1:05:55] valley meeting they said the

[1:05:58] roots are still there.

[1:05:59] Roots are biodegradable.

[1:06:00] Those will go away at some

[1:06:01] point.

[1:06:02] My final thing I want to bring

[1:06:06] up is we commended the first

[1:06:09] responders in lakeridge with

[1:06:12] the gas leak and I commend

[1:06:12] them.

[1:06:13] Hat is a dangerous,

[1:06:15] scary situation.

[1:06:16] What we are talking about here

[1:06:17] could happen.

[1:06:19] Think about it.

[1:06:22] Dominion energy wants to put a

[1:06:32] high intensity powerline right

[1:06:32] between two highly flammable

[1:06:33] gas lines what if the same

[1:06:34] situation was to happen here in

[1:06:35] bristow with all of these homes

[1:06:38] with the schools in an ignition

[1:06:45] system for flammable gas.

[1:06:45] This is not safe for our

[1:06:46] families and neighborhood.

[1:06:47] I've been told dominion energy

[1:06:50] will ask the recommendation of

[1:06:51] the board of supervisors

[1:06:51] , in

[1:06:54] particular a representative for

[1:06:56] the brentsville district.

[1:06:57] For recommendation of which

[1:07:02] line to take.

[1:07:03] I don't like any of the lines I

[1:07:04] know it affects everyone,

[1:07:08] including my supervisor.

[1:07:13] With the power to say no

[1:07:14] .

[1:07:15] You do have the

[1:07:15] power to say no

[1:07:16] or not recommend, not give them

[1:07:19] easements.

[1:07:19] We need you to not allow

[1:07:27] dominion energy to move forward

[1:07:29] .

[1:07:30] I can only speak to the

[1:07:31] blueline because of my concerns

[1:07:32] about the effect on the

[1:07:32] environment and the safety

[1:07:33] issues that we have and again,

[1:07:36] you commended first responders.

[1:07:37] I don't want them down that

[1:07:42] risk.

[1:07:43] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:07:43] thank you.

[1:07:43] Next speaker.

[1:07:47] >> next speaker is steve.

[1:07:48] >> Public Speaker: good

[1:07:49] afternoon board members

[1:07:50] .

[1:07:51] I'm steve from the occoquan

[1:07:57] district.

[1:07:58] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:07:58] could you speak louder.

[1:07:59] >> Public Speaker: how is

[1:08:00] that?

[1:08:01] My remarks this afternoon are

[1:08:05] going to address item 7-a

[1:08:06] ,

[1:08:07] dumped local foundation and

[1:08:08] soil management ordinance

[1:08:11] countywide.

[1:08:12] Why is the board considering

[1:08:15] the tax payer money to support

[1:08:16] private and commercial

[1:08:17] foundation repairs?

[1:08:17] Es, i

[1:08:18] understand the state has passed

[1:08:23] the bill in the governor signed

[1:08:23] it this year.

[1:08:27] This initiative needs to not be

[1:08:28] supported.

[1:08:29] The majority party in the board

[1:08:29] of county supervisors has been

[1:08:36] touting housing affordability

[1:08:37] for the past 2+ years.

[1:08:38] Now with the

[1:08:38] passage of the

[1:08:41] board, if it is passed today

[1:08:41] ,

[1:08:42] property owners would be tasked

[1:08:47] more the fund an additional

[1:08:47] initiative.

[1:08:48] This foundation repair

[1:08:48] initiative.

[1:08:51] This initiative counters the

[1:08:54] majority housing affordability

[1:08:56] awareness because property

[1:08:59] owners are going to be taxed

[1:09:00] significantly more to fund this

[1:09:02] initiative.

[1:09:03] Foundation repair companies

[1:09:06] have financed vehicles on

[1:09:07] property owners to have their

[1:09:10] repairs funded.

[1:09:11] I'm familiar with this as I

[1:09:12] recently had foundation repairs

[1:09:14] completed on our home

[1:09:15] .

[1:09:16] Now the board is going to be a

[1:09:22] financial institute to fund

[1:09:23] private commercial foundation

[1:09:23] repairs.

[1:09:24] Ome will have to

[1:09:28] manage this program.

[1:09:28] Now the county would have to

[1:09:29] add more fte in the future

[1:09:30] budget to which is a permanent

[1:09:33] cost because they're going to

[1:09:34] have to be tax on property

[1:09:38] owners to pay for the new fte

[1:09:39] and their

[1:09:39] perpetual benefits.

[1:09:44] My additional concerns are why

[1:09:45] should the prince william

[1:09:46] county government take on the

[1:09:47] roll to be responsible for

[1:09:50] repairing the private and

[1:09:52] community commercial property

[1:09:52] in the county.

[1:09:54] We can say no.

[1:09:57] Is this grant free money or

[1:10:10] loan interest to grant loan.

[1:10:11] How and what accountability

[1:10:11] safeguards will be established

[1:10:12] to ensure fairness,

[1:10:13] transparency, accuracy and

[1:10:14] inspection reports?

[1:10:14] His is

[1:10:15] the draft ordinance and there

[1:10:16] is nothing in there about

[1:10:16] accountability and how to keep

[1:10:18] people accountable.

[1:10:19] Foundation repairs are the

[1:10:19] responsibility of the

[1:10:20] homeowners.

[1:10:21] Developers and insurance

[1:10:21] companies

[1:10:21] .

[1:10:22] Not in prince william county.

[1:10:24] I urge you to vote no and item

[1:10:28] 7-8.

[1:10:29] I know this ordinance has been

[1:10:38] brought up three times in 2025

[1:10:38] before the board.

[1:10:39] And so I urge you to vote no on

[1:10:40] this thank you.

[1:10:40] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:10:41] thank you.

[1:10:46] Next speaker.

[1:10:47] >> there are no more speakers.

[1:10:48] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:10:49] thank you very much for your

[1:10:49] help.

[1:10:50] MADAM Chair, back to you.

[1:10:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:10:54] thank you so very much.

[1:10:55] That is our public comment

[1:10:56] time.

[1:10:56] We are now going to go to

[1:10:57] agenda item 7. And that is

[1:11:01] public hearings.

[1:11:03] I am just waiting for the list.

[1:11:06] All right.

[1:11:06] I'm going to open the public

[1:11:07] hearing.

[1:11:09] We do not have any

[1:11:09] speakers in person.

[1:11:13] Do we have

[1:11:13] anyone online.

[1:11:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:11:19] we have two people, so I see.

[1:11:20] >> MADAM Vice chair, we have

[1:11:20] nobody online at this time.

[1:11:24] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:11:25] thank you so much.

[1:11:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:11:27] leave no one in person, no one

[1:11:27] online.

[1:11:28] I'm going to close the public

[1:11:34] hearings suit 478 through I.

[1:11:39] Going to separate out 7a

[1:11:40] because I know there will be

[1:11:41] robust discussion and I will

[1:11:43] take that at the end.

[1:11:43] Does anyone have anything else

[1:11:45] they want me to separate?

[1:11:46] >> is the public hearing

[1:11:47] closed?

[1:11:50] I did not hear.

[1:11:51] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:11:54] it is closed.

[1:11:55] >> I'm sorry.

[1:12:00] There is one person online to

[1:12:01] talk if you can still do so.

[1:12:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:12:02] I will open the public hearing

[1:12:03] to accommodate the gentleman

[1:12:07] available online to speak.

[1:12:08] >> I can't hear, they are

[1:12:16] muted.

[1:12:17] Hold on one second.

[1:12:19] Is he

[1:12:21] allowed to speak?

[1:12:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:12:24] he is.

[1:12:32] >> go ahead.

[1:12:33] >> Public Speaker: can you hear

[1:12:33] me okay?

[1:12:34] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[1:12:34] can.

[1:12:35] Thank you.

[1:12:37] >> Public Speaker: for a second

[1:12:38] I thought I was going to be cut

[1:12:38] off.

[1:12:40] I am jack from the woodbridge

[1:12:44] magisterial district.

[1:12:44] thank you for the opportunity

[1:12:49] to speak today.

[1:12:50] I appreciate the board of

[1:12:51] county supervisors and the

[1:12:53] county staff efforts to advance

[1:12:54] the ordinance to establish the

[1:12:54] soil.

[1:12:56] It is a meaningful and

[1:13:02] necessary step to help our

[1:13:03] community and others across the

[1:13:04] county address urgent soil and

[1:13:05] stability concerns.

[1:13:08] If the

[1:13:09] conditions in our community and

[1:13:10] left it will continue to

[1:13:10] worsen.

[1:13:14] We have seen this

[1:13:14] before.

[1:13:15] The last time a similar

[1:13:15] situation occurred, the slope

[1:13:23] failed and was ultimately

[1:13:23] condemned.

[1:13:24] According to a standard, this

[1:13:25] is not an isolated incident.

[1:13:26] There have been three slope

[1:13:27] failures

[1:13:27] .

[1:13:29] At first occurred in 1996 to

[1:13:34] repair the damage hoa nor the

[1:13:35] county was able to verify the

[1:13:39] work was actually completed.

[1:13:40] A second failure occurred in

[1:13:44] 2007 adjacent to the original

[1:13:45] area and we are facing another

[1:13:48] failure in the same location

[1:13:49] first impacted in 1996

[1:13:49] .

[1:13:53] At the boards meeting we had

[1:13:59] concerns about the use of

[1:14:00] public funds for what were

[1:14:01] described as private issues

[1:14:02] become respectfully offer

[1:14:03] another perspective.

[1:14:04] Homeowners relying good faith

[1:14:04] by that oversight approval

[1:14:11] process which reviewed soils

[1:14:12] reports, inspection and issues

[1:14:17] certificates of occupancy

[1:14:17] .

[1:14:18] Residents were not in a

[1:14:19] position to evaluate the

[1:14:20] complex geotechnical decisions

[1:14:21] or verify whether properly

[1:14:27] repaired instability issue.

[1:14:28] That reliance is fundamental to

[1:14:30] the partnership between the

[1:14:31] county developers, and the

[1:14:32] county developers and the

[1:14:36] communities they serve.

[1:14:37] Current conditions inadequate

[1:14:41] compaction are not do --

[1:14:46] further these efficiencies are

[1:14:46] causing erosion and

[1:14:48] uncontrolled runoff,

[1:14:49] threatening the watershed,

[1:14:50] public safety, in the broader

[1:14:54] community individual properties

[1:14:55] .

[1:14:56] For these reasons we believe

[1:14:57] the public investment in slope

[1:15:00] stabilization remediation

[1:15:06] watershed protection is not

[1:15:10] only appropriate but necessary.

[1:15:11] We respectfully ask the board

[1:15:14] to consider modifications

[1:15:15] ,

[1:15:16] structured the fund to accept

[1:15:18] contributions from grants or

[1:15:19] other mitigation programs and

[1:15:22] allow for multiyear grants

[1:15:24] within annual funding cap

[1:15:27] .

[1:15:28] We thank you and appreciate

[1:15:31] your leadership for

[1:15:32] recommendation, recognition of

[1:15:35] challenges are not private

[1:15:35] feathers but the result of

[1:15:37] processes that did not fully

[1:15:41] protect our community and a

[1:15:42] developer who failed to

[1:15:45] properly prepare a known issue.

[1:15:46] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:16:01] thank you.

[1:16:01] >> we have no speakers this

[1:16:02] time.

[1:16:02] Apologize.

[1:16:03] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:16:03] no apologies necessary.

[1:16:04] Thank you for your help.

[1:16:05] MADAM Chair, back to you.

[1:16:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:16:07] going to close the public

[1:16:08] hearings for 7a through 7I.

[1:16:08] What I'm going to do because I

[1:16:10] know 7a will have additional

[1:16:10] discussion

[1:16:10] .

[1:16:11] I'm going to pull that off and

[1:16:12] we can get that to the end.

[1:16:14] Does anyone else on the dais

[1:16:14] have anything they want to pull

[1:16:21] off?

[1:16:21] Supervisor bailey.

[1:16:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:16:23] MADAM Chair, I would like to

[1:16:26] poll item 7g.

[1:16:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:16:28] is this something you're going

[1:16:29] to vote against her highlight

[1:16:30] you have questions?

[1:16:31] All right.

[1:16:33] I would like to get the motion

[1:16:43] for 7b through f and 7h and I.

[1:16:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:16:45] moment.

[1:16:45] >> Kenny Boddye: second.

[1:16:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:16:47] any discussions just on those

[1:16:47] items?

[1:16:53] If not, let's go ahead and take

[1:16:53] a vote.

[1:16:54] >> supervisor angry?

[1:16:55] > Victor Angry: aye.

[1:16:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:16:58] all right.

[1:16:59] >> the unanimous.

[1:17:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:17:05] I'm going to go back to 7a.

[1:17:08] First, does anyone have any

[1:17:13] questions

[1:17:13] ?

[1:17:14] All right.

[1:17:17] Supervisor vega, you've

[1:17:17] questions?

[1:17:23] >> Yesli Vega: yes.

[1:17:24] I'm not sure if ricky or who is

[1:17:30] going to answer questions.

[1:17:33] >> if I can't get it right we

[1:17:36] will get one of the others.

[1:17:36] >> Yesli Vega: while i

[1:17:38] understand the reasoning behind

[1:17:44] the request before us, I have a

[1:17:44] sick concerns.

[1:17:45] Raised those concerns from the

[1:17:46] beginning.

[1:17:52] Appreciate staff working to

[1:17:53] answer some of my questions.

[1:17:54] Not all of them because this is

[1:17:55] very much fluid and while I

[1:17:56] still don't believe it's ready

[1:17:56] for prime time, we are here

[1:18:05] today.

[1:18:05] The first question I want to

[1:18:06] ask is does the county regulate

[1:18:07] soil for soil suitability or

[1:18:08] geotechnical standards in

[1:18:09] land-use approvals?

[1:18:10] >> yes, it is the short answer.

[1:18:11] I can give you more background

[1:18:12] if you want a more technical

[1:18:12] answer.

[1:18:13] >> Yesli Vega: I do.

[1:18:25] Thank you.

[1:18:26] >> MADAM Term, members the

[1:18:27] board, director of public

[1:18:27] works.

[1:18:31] Yes, it's always required

[1:18:33] .

[1:18:34] >> Yesli Vega:

[1:18:34] what does not

[1:18:34] consist of?

[1:18:35] I want you to elaborate more.

[1:18:38] >> no sole conditions, the

[1:18:41] stability of slopes

[1:18:42] , the water

[1:18:44] table of the soils

[1:18:48] , all of that

[1:18:49] is important for the design the

[1:18:52] retaining wall

[1:18:52] .

[1:18:53] Those are very important

[1:18:57] information.

[1:18:58] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.

[1:18:59] And since when has the county

[1:19:03] been practicing this?

[1:19:07] >> 2003.

[1:19:13] >> Yesli Vega: 2003.

[1:19:18] What criteria specifically,

[1:19:19] refresh my memory again, was

[1:19:23] refused used for arbitrary

[1:19:26] decision in terms of what homes

[1:19:27] qualify for this?

[1:19:27] > you mean as far as the

[1:19:32] ordinance?

[1:19:33] We are still working on that

[1:19:37] but we are looking at impact of

[1:19:38] foundation, impact to slopes

[1:19:43] that MAY impact other

[1:19:44] structures such as rodents,

[1:19:45] such as a stream, other

[1:19:47] development MAY be.

[1:19:48] Those other criteria is to make

[1:19:49] decisions.

[1:20:01] >> Yesli Vega: I am referring

[1:20:02] to the decision made that the

[1:20:03] eligibility is for homes built

[1:20:04] between 10 and 40 years old.

[1:20:05] You said you are still

[1:20:06] developing it?

[1:20:07] >> the timeframe of when we

[1:20:07] consider evaluating proposals

[1:20:08] .

[1:20:11] Is that when you are saying?

[1:20:16] 10 to 40 years.

[1:20:17] >> supervisor, thank you for

[1:20:22] the question.

[1:20:23] As I recall at the last hearing

[1:20:24] there were questions relative

[1:20:25] to what data we have in

[1:20:27] relation to this

[1:20:27] .

[1:20:28] After the board meeting went

[1:20:30] went back and went back 10

[1:20:31] years and over the 10 year

[1:20:39] period we had 74 foundation

[1:20:40] repairs done across all in the

[1:20:41] county.

[1:20:45] An average of 70 year

[1:20:45] .

[1:20:49] The average age was 37.1 years

[1:20:50] for the justification to go to

[1:20:55] 40 what we are talking about is

[1:20:58] latent defects and who would be

[1:20:59] responsible or who would help

[1:20:59] .

[1:21:07] Based on the ad hoc data, the

[1:21:08] conclusion was over 10 years

[1:21:11] the average age is 37 years

[1:21:11] .

[1:21:12] It would be appropriate to go

[1:21:13] 10 to 40 years

[1:21:14] .

[1:21:19] That is how we got to the 40

[1:21:20] compared to our previous

[1:21:20] recommendation was I believe 10

[1:21:21] to 20.

[1:21:22] >> Yesli Vega: thank you for

[1:21:23] that.

[1:21:24] You said in terms of

[1:21:30] responsibility for repairing

[1:21:30] your position is here today

[1:21:31] that the county bears

[1:21:32] responsibility assisting

[1:21:42] homeowners

[1:21:43] .

[1:21:44] >> I would say that's your

[1:21:44] decision.

[1:21:45] >> Yesli Vega: staff is

[1:21:46] recommending approval so

[1:21:46] masking staff if that is the

[1:21:47] recommendation, is that your

[1:21:53] position?

[1:21:53] >> the position is we have a

[1:21:54] state law in place to allow you

[1:21:55] to make the decision to adopt

[1:21:56] an ordinance.

[1:21:57] >> Yesli Vega: correct.

[1:21:57] And it is a recommendation and

[1:22:03] that is the reason for my

[1:22:03] question.

[1:22:03] >> MS.

[1:22:04] Roble: I don't think

[1:22:05] anybody is saying the county is

[1:22:06] responsible for defects out

[1:22:06] there.

[1:22:07] Think what staff is

[1:22:10] recommending is the general

[1:22:11] assembly allowed the state code

[1:22:13] is a discretionary alternative

[1:22:14] for the board to do and if that

[1:22:18] is the boards prerogative to go

[1:22:18] forward with it.

[1:22:19] I don't think anyone on the

[1:22:20] staff is saying the county is

[1:22:29] responsible for any issues

[1:22:29] involved in these properties.

[1:22:30] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

[1:22:31] Chair and I understand what the

[1:22:34] general assembly passed.

[1:22:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:22:36] would you like your next block

[1:22:36] of time?

[1:22:37] >> Yesli Vega: yes.

[1:22:39] However, it is my position we

[1:22:39] are being guided in a certain

[1:22:40] direction and I want to make

[1:22:41] sure we don't blur the lines we

[1:22:42] are clear as to what the board

[1:22:45] make it ready to approve

[1:22:46] .

[1:22:48] As you all know, I conducted a

[1:22:49] survey because it's important

[1:22:52] for me to understand where

[1:22:53] people in prince william county

[1:22:54] are not just in the coles

[1:22:58] district.

[1:22:59] My position doesn't stem in

[1:23:00] being in opposition to this

[1:23:01] initiative being moved forward

[1:23:05] because I understand the

[1:23:06] intent.

[1:23:07] Prevention, offer this to my

[1:23:08] colleagues and those in

[1:23:09] chambers and watching at home,

[1:23:09] is in fact a public response

[1:23:24] ability, which is why I lead

[1:23:25] with opening question I did.

[1:23:26] However, fixing private

[1:23:27] property matters is a private

[1:23:28] one and that is the issue I

[1:23:28] take with this.

[1:23:29] I believe this is a private

[1:23:30] matter among the journalism we

[1:23:31] granted localities the ability

[1:23:32] to enact an ordinance, I do not

[1:23:33] believe it's in the best

[1:23:33] interest of the county to use

[1:23:34] tax dollars to pay for

[1:23:34] private

[1:23:35] matters.

[1:23:36] It gets muddy quickly in

[1:23:36] regards to where do we draw the

[1:23:51] line.

[1:23:52] I would then going to be

[1:23:53] subsidizing roof replacements,

[1:23:53] hvac repairs, who knows her

[1:23:54] driveway cracking weeks.

[1:23:55] If the argument is made into

[1:23:55] steam to be structural.

[1:23:56] I want to offer to my

[1:23:57] colleagues that when we were

[1:23:58] going to distribution with the

[1:23:59] great oak community, a request

[1:24:00] was made that the county pay

[1:24:01] and purchase equipment to

[1:24:01] measure noise and it was

[1:24:02] quickly shut down because of

[1:24:10] the precedent it would set.

[1:24:11] I asked my colleagues, are we

[1:24:12] going to open the door for a

[1:24:13] similar matter if we deemed it

[1:24:14] is not appropriate then, how do

[1:24:19] we justify an issue that is

[1:24:20] clearly been pushed on county

[1:24:21] residents by decisions made by

[1:24:22] the governing body.

[1:24:22] Ot

[1:24:23] appropriate then, appropriate

[1:24:23] now.

[1:24:24] For those main reasons I would

[1:24:34] ask perhaps we table this

[1:24:34] matter for a later time born we

[1:24:35] can flat out in my opinion

[1:24:36] denied the request altogether.

[1:24:37] Don't think it is

[1:24:41] appropriate for the county to

[1:24:42] be using public dollars to fix

[1:24:42] what in my opinion is a private

[1:24:43] matter.

[1:24:43] I think the approach we need to

[1:24:44] take is an approach where we

[1:24:45] are working with the developers

[1:24:46] and we are holding them

[1:24:48] accountable to ensure the

[1:24:49] problems don't continue to

[1:24:49] happen.

[1:24:53] F they do, they paid

[1:24:54] their fair share of the pie in

[1:24:55] addressing these concerns and

[1:24:56] paying for these repairs down

[1:25:07] the road.

[1:25:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:25:09] are you asking for a suggestion

[1:25:10] you would like him to make a

[1:25:10] motion to defer this or table

[1:25:10] this?

[1:25:11] What is it you are asking for.

[1:25:12] >> Yesli Vega: I am willing to

[1:25:13] meet halfway.

[1:25:13] I don't mind tabling it so we

[1:25:14] can infer their discussions and

[1:25:16] make sure we tie up loose ends

[1:25:16] .

[1:25:17] But if that is not something

[1:25:24] agreeable, I would certainly

[1:25:25] .

[1:25:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:25:27] make the motion and let's see

[1:25:27] if you get a second.

[1:25:28] >> Yesli Vega: I move that we

[1:25:29] table this matter, MADAM Chair.

[1:25:30] >> second.

[1:25:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:25:32] any discussion?

[1:25:32] Supervisor franklin.

[1:25:33] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:

[1:25:34] want to clarify we have

[1:25:35] differed this before.

[1:25:36] We would been working on the

[1:25:37] several years and I am not in

[1:25:49] favor of differing.

[1:25:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:25:51] supervisor vega.

[1:25:51] >> Yesli Vega: the

[1:25:51] reason for

[1:25:52] the deferral was it was not

[1:25:53] ready for prime time.

[1:25:54] My position as it is still not

[1:25:54] and I would ask the majority of

[1:25:55] my colleagues to support my

[1:25:56] motion to table this.

[1:25:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:25:58] supervisor bailey?

[1:25:58] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[1:25:59] just need clarification because

[1:26:00] we talked about this over and

[1:26:04] over again before we take the

[1:26:04] vote.

[1:26:05] I want to make sure we clearly

[1:26:07] understand what this is this is

[1:26:08] alignment with the state code

[1:26:09] that has been put forth that we

[1:26:10] are trying to achieve

[1:26:10] .

[1:26:13] We are not voting to say we are

[1:26:16] actually going to make a final

[1:26:18] decision on this matter

[1:26:18] .

[1:26:29] Can you explain it?

[1:26:29] >> I don't know that part you

[1:26:30] just said.

[1:26:31] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:26:31] let me rephrase my question.

[1:26:32] >> we

[1:26:32] were given a directive to

[1:26:33] look at the new state code that

[1:26:34] was passed.

[1:26:38] We were given a directive to

[1:26:39] propose an ordinance for prince

[1:26:40] william county to use.

[1:26:41] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:26:42] that's the alignment.

[1:26:43] And going forward, what are you

[1:26:52] asking for now?

[1:26:53] >> we have now brought the

[1:26:53] ordinance forward.

[1:26:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:26:55] for the alignment.

[1:26:55] But it does not say we are

[1:26:56] going to take care of

[1:26:57] everybody's property if we vote

[1:26:59] on this today

[1:26:59] .

[1:27:00] >> the application process and

[1:27:03] scoring criteria and then those

[1:27:04] applications will come to the

[1:27:06] board and the board would vote

[1:27:07] on who was funded and who

[1:27:10] wasn't.

[1:27:16] Was available to be used.

[1:27:17] >> MR. Shorter: the board is

[1:27:19] voting on an ordinance today

[1:27:19] .

[1:27:25] Later on in the agenda

[1:27:26] depending on how the board

[1:27:34] reacts to this ordinance

[1:27:34] ,

[1:27:35] request to transfer funding to

[1:27:35] a fund.

[1:27:36] Now, what would come after is

[1:27:38] an application process where

[1:27:39] individual homeowners will

[1:27:47] essentially apply

[1:27:48] .

[1:27:49] We won't based on this

[1:27:49] ordinance will come to the

[1:27:50] board when it's time to make a

[1:27:51] decision but the action the

[1:27:52] board is taking right now is an

[1:27:52] ordinance.

[1:27:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:27:54] so this is the final.

[1:27:55] Supervisor vega, did you have

[1:28:00] something you want to say?

[1:28:00] There is a motion but I don't

[1:28:01] know if you want to speak on

[1:28:04] that.

[1:28:07] Is anyone else have comments or

[1:28:07] discussions?

[1:28:12] If not I will take the vote on

[1:28:13] a motion to table the

[1:28:14] discussion.

[1:28:15] I would like to call for the

[1:28:16] vote.

[1:28:26] This is to table it.

[1:28:38] Supervisor vega and gordy.

[1:28:39] >> supervisor ingrid just told

[1:28:40] me his computer is shutting

[1:28:41] down automatically so he MAY

[1:28:47] have to log back on.

[1:28:54] He MAY MISS This vote.

[1:28:54] >> somewhere, is absent from

[1:29:02] vote.

[1:29:03] Motion fails 2/5 supervisors

[1:29:05] bailey, boddye, franklin,

[1:29:06] stewart enter jefferson know.

[1:29:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:29:11] so the motion to table has

[1:29:14] failed.

[1:29:15] When someone like to make a

[1:29:19] motion to move this forward?

[1:29:20] Properly moved and seconded.

[1:29:21] Any further discussion?

[1:29:26] >> Yesli Vega: I want to enter

[1:29:32] into the record with 300 people

[1:29:33] partake in our survey from

[1:29:34] every single magisterial

[1:29:35] district and everyone who

[1:29:36] partook overwhelmingly opposes

[1:29:37] their private tax dollars being

[1:29:38] used for the private measure

[1:29:46] and I want to let my colleagues

[1:29:47] know what that looks like.

[1:29:48] Young people participated from

[1:29:49] neabsco, occoquan, potomac and

[1:29:51] woodbridge.

[1:29:51] We did the purple listed.

[1:29:52] Those were folks who did not

[1:29:53] want to share but again

[1:30:04] , it's

[1:30:05] our response ability to make

[1:30:06] sure we put forward good public

[1:30:07] policy and although the general

[1:30:08] assembly MAY have allowed them

[1:30:08] to do that, I don't think it's

[1:30:09] in the best interest of the

[1:30:10] taxpayers of the county and

[1:30:11] when we get to the allocating

[1:30:16] of the funds I will be

[1:30:17] discussing more about that in

[1:30:18] my reasons for that as well.

[1:30:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:30:20] supervisors franklin and gordy.

[1:30:24] Ll right.

[1:30:24] Supervisor gordy.

[1:30:26] >> Tom Gordy: thank you

[1:30:32] supervisor vega.

[1:30:33] I completely agree.

[1:30:33] Had a

[1:30:33] meeting with the community last

[1:30:39] night about roads and about

[1:30:40] their private road failing.

[1:30:41] Are we going to open up the

[1:30:44] door for communities and paving

[1:30:44] private roads.

[1:30:45] Because when the roads were

[1:30:49] built the rules the county had

[1:30:50] the time were different than

[1:30:54] they are today.

[1:30:55] Is not just the roads, the

[1:31:01] culverts underneath the road to

[1:31:02] failing think that's a health

[1:31:02] and safety issue.

[1:31:02] In the fire

[1:31:03] and police get into

[1:31:04] those community?

[1:31:05] I think we are opening up

[1:31:06] pandora's box and this is going

[1:31:12] to be something we are going

[1:31:12] I'm more and more people come

[1:31:15] in because of things, we learn

[1:31:19] things over time.

[1:31:20] But I will tell you when I

[1:31:21] moved to prince william county

[1:31:22] my realtor said stay away from

[1:31:27] the potomac.

[1:31:28] This has been known for 30, 40

[1:31:28] years.

[1:31:31] No, those soils

[1:31:31] .

[1:31:36] the water is good.

[1:31:38] The soils below the fall line

[1:31:38] ,

[1:31:43] you get above the fall line a

[1:31:44] lot of rock, below this a lotta

[1:31:46] sentiment

[1:31:46] .

[1:31:47] That is why it moves and it

[1:31:53] shifts.

[1:31:56] Nonetheless, the fact we are

[1:32:04] going to offer government funds

[1:32:05] , I believe we are opening up

[1:32:12] pandora's box here and I don't

[1:32:12] think that is the right

[1:32:13] direction we ought to be going

[1:32:14] so I will not be supporting

[1:32:14] this.

[1:32:15] Thank you.

[1:32:16] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:32:18] I don't have anything else in q

[1:32:19] so let's go ahead and take our

[1:32:35] vote.

[1:32:36] >> motion passes 4/3

[1:32:36] supervisors gordy, stewart and

[1:32:39] vega voting no.

[1:32:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:32:41] thank you so very much

[1:32:41] .

[1:32:45] We are going to go back to 7g.

[1:32:50] You'd questions?

[1:32:51] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:32:51] thank you so much for

[1:32:58] acknowledging me.

[1:32:58] I just have a quick question.

[1:32:59] It's because I didn't talk

[1:33:04] about this when the

[1:33:05] presentation was given to me.

[1:33:06] I'm excited about this and I

[1:33:07] will move forward with the

[1:33:09] vote.

[1:33:10] Want to make sure as we are

[1:33:16] establishing and building this

[1:33:16] drive through, this will not

[1:33:20] interfere with the traffic flow

[1:33:21] we've been talking about as it

[1:33:21] relates to the school,

[1:33:22] forest

[1:33:22] park.

[1:33:24] Business nothing to do with the

[1:33:26] interest we are working on as

[1:33:28] well.

[1:33:32] >> supervisor bailey, chair

[1:33:38] jefferson, we did work with the

[1:33:40] applicant and did look at

[1:33:42] potential traffic impacts.

[1:33:43] All of them are being mitigated

[1:33:48] through the conditions or the

[1:33:49] route that they chose to the

[1:33:53] development.

[1:33:54] We are confident and should not

[1:33:59] impact any of the development.

[1:33:59] Outside of the flow.

[1:34:01] But we just looked primarily at

[1:34:04] the special use permit area.

[1:34:08] They did provide conditions.

[1:34:09] We worked with the applicant

[1:34:10] and the applicants

[1:34:11] representative we are

[1:34:16] comfortable with the

[1:34:17] conditions.

[1:34:17] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:34:18] okay.

[1:34:20] I appreciate that.

[1:34:22] With that I would like to move

[1:34:25] forward item 7g.

[1:34:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:34:32] properly moved and seconded.

[1:34:33] Any further discussion?

[1:34:34] Seeing none, let's go ahead and

[1:34:36] take the vote supervisor angry,

[1:34:47] are you backup?

[1:34:47] >> he is not back online yet.

[1:34:48] Vote unanimous supervisor angry

[1:34:55] absent from vote.

[1:34:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:34:57] thank you so very much.

[1:34:58] We are now moving to agenda

[1:34:59] item 8 and that is county

[1:34:59] executive time.

[1:35:00] MR. Shorter, the floor is yours

[1:35:01] .

[1:35:02] >> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM

[1:35:02] Chair.

[1:35:02] Good afternoon.

[1:35:07] I want to start cxo time off

[1:35:08] with a brief demo because many

[1:35:10] of you know, our office of

[1:35:13] planning

[1:35:13] , wanted to invite

[1:35:14] director washington down to

[1:35:19] talk about this

[1:35:20] .

[1:35:21] They did a very creative job

[1:35:24] building an online dashboard

[1:35:27] for a buildout analysis

[1:35:27] .

[1:35:28] I wanted to have her demo day

[1:35:30] analysis to show the board and

[1:35:35] the public what sort of work is

[1:35:36] happening in the planning

[1:35:39] office and so with that, I will

[1:35:49] turn it over to you.

[1:35:50] >> good afternoon.

[1:35:51] Tonya washington director of

[1:35:52] the planning office.

[1:35:53] We are excited to be here to

[1:35:53] provide the demo of the

[1:35:54] buildout analysis.

[1:35:56] The updated up analysis.

[1:35:57] The analysis estimates how much

[1:35:58] residential and nonresidential

[1:36:00] development could be built

[1:36:00] under the maximum extent

[1:36:04] allowed under zoning program

[1:36:05] one of the exciting things

[1:36:11] about this analysis is not only

[1:36:12] do we have updated data from

[1:36:13] the last time we completed the

[1:36:17] buildout analysis in 2021.

[1:36:18] It is now in an online

[1:36:19] dashboard format.

[1:36:21] Previously reports were done

[1:36:21] annually as written reports

[1:36:23] with illustrations and tables,

[1:36:30] but they were a snapshot in

[1:36:30] time.

[1:36:31] In preparation during this

[1:36:32] update I asked our team can we

[1:36:35] turn this into a dashboard so

[1:36:36] when the import approves new

[1:36:37] land use cases or other items

[1:36:41] are updated that affects this

[1:36:42] data, the data can be updated

[1:36:44] throughout the year.

[1:36:45] Until we know fully online

[1:36:48] dashboard

[1:36:48] .

[1:36:49] It is very interactive with

[1:36:53] data tables as well as maps MR.

[1:36:54] David Mcgettigan, our deputy

[1:37:09] planning director, will walk us

[1:37:09] through the demo.

[1:37:10] But before we do that I would

[1:37:11] like to give a shout out and

[1:37:11] appreciation to

[1:37:12] john Mccleary

[1:37:13] and frank on on our gis team

[1:37:13] which is part our countywide

[1:37:14] division they are here to

[1:37:15] answer any questions as well.

[1:37:16] S well as a shout out if you

[1:37:18] worked with us to build out the

[1:37:18] buildout analysis dashboard.

[1:37:22] So take it away, david.

[1:37:23] >> thank you.

[1:37:25] Are buildout analysis is a

[1:37:26] publication that we have done

[1:37:29] for many years

[1:37:30] .

[1:37:34] It was a pdf document for a

[1:37:35] colorful static and this is an

[1:37:39] opportunity to bring it into a

[1:37:41] more interactive format where

[1:37:43] we can get to interactive maps

[1:37:49] and download data.

[1:37:50] It is also a lot of automation

[1:37:51] and programming went into

[1:37:52] maintaining this thanks to

[1:37:59] frank hunt of our office

[1:37:59] .

[1:38:02] This is much easier to update

[1:38:03] and we will be updating on a

[1:38:05] regular basis when zonings are

[1:38:10] approved.

[1:38:10] And when existing units

[1:38:14] occupancy permits are reported

[1:38:17] out so we can update the

[1:38:23] existing construction.

[1:38:23] This is the main page.

[1:38:26] You can get to it from the

[1:38:27] planning page.

[1:38:31] It also has its own url.

[1:38:35] Pwc va.Gov/buildout analysis

[1:38:36] and that will get you to a

[1:38:36] page.

[1:38:40] This was done in the gis

[1:38:43] platform

[1:38:44] .

[1:38:52] First on the right sleeve

[1:38:53] several things that tell us

[1:38:53] what the buildout analysis is.

[1:38:54] How you use the site,

[1:38:56] frequently asked questions we

[1:38:57] will buildout as we get the

[1:38:57] questions in.

[1:39:02] And we encourage the public and

[1:39:09] everybody who uses this to let

[1:39:10] us know if there any questions

[1:39:10] or anything that needs fixing

[1:39:11] or tweaking more additional

[1:39:16] things he want to see.

[1:39:17] The first use of the product we

[1:39:22] hope to expand it to attract

[1:39:23] when things in later phases a

[1:39:25] development.

[1:39:27] Is an email address to submit

[1:39:29] any comments about the buildout

[1:39:30] analysis

[1:39:31] .

[1:39:34] The buildout analysis is in

[1:39:39] three buckets degree of the

[1:39:43] existing information

[1:39:43] , existing

[1:39:44] dwellings construction.

[1:39:49] We have the zone but not built

[1:39:49] yet.

[1:39:50] This is something that has

[1:39:51] zoning approval.

[1:39:53] We know how many units are

[1:39:54] approximately how many square

[1:39:59] feet going in for commercial or

[1:40:03] retail industrial uses

[1:40:03] .

[1:40:04] This is a list of cases and we

[1:40:05] call the residential inventory,

[1:40:13] nonresidential inventory.

[1:40:14] That is the zone but not built

[1:40:14] yet.

[1:40:15] The third bucket is those plan

[1:40:18] but not zoned yet.

[1:40:18] The conference of plan as a

[1:40:19] guide for the growth and

[1:40:20] development and as areas for

[1:40:21] redevelopment or new

[1:40:27] development that has been zoned

[1:40:28] yet to the appropriate zoning.

[1:40:29] Hose are the three buckets.

[1:40:30] If something gets rezoned from

[1:40:34] bucket one, the pelanda not

[1:40:35] zoned.

[1:40:37] it automatically is going to be

[1:40:38] , show up in the zone but not

[1:40:43] built on them once it was built

[1:40:44] it would be quarterly updated

[1:40:46] with that information.

[1:40:47] We can see off the bat that

[1:40:51] there is 160,000, 100 existing

[1:40:52] dwelling units in the county

[1:40:55] right now based on our

[1:40:59] occupancy reports.

[1:41:00] There are you potential

[1:41:04] remaining to be built based on

[1:41:05] the conference a plan for

[1:41:07] 54,542 more units

[1:41:07] .

[1:41:09] In terms of nonresidential

[1:41:13] square feet of building area,

[1:41:20] we are 92.8 million square feet

[1:41:21] in the potential buildout of

[1:41:22] the conference a plan is 148.8

[1:41:32] million square feet.

[1:41:32] That doesn't mean that by 2040

[1:41:33] we will have all of this but

[1:41:34] this is just the total capacity

[1:41:35] shown that could be built.

[1:41:36] There's no timing associated

[1:41:41] with this from that standpoint.

[1:41:45] The buildout analysis also has

[1:41:49] charts and graphs to show you

[1:41:50] percentages of the different

[1:41:53] types of lands that make up the

[1:41:56] build analysis and pipeline and

[1:42:00] buildout capacity.

[1:42:02] We also have as well we have an

[1:42:11] interactive map that have

[1:42:12] polygons of these in this data

[1:42:13] is available in the county

[1:42:15] portal, data portal for use so

[1:42:16] gis users could download the

[1:42:21] data if they wanted to read it

[1:42:22] and manipulate it.

[1:42:23] We can zoom in on the map and

[1:42:29] click on activity center areas

[1:42:30] are there different layers you

[1:42:31] can turn on and off from

[1:42:34] activity centers to residential

[1:42:38] inventory cases where things

[1:42:38] have been zoned or are not

[1:42:42] built are currently have things

[1:42:44] to be built on.

[1:42:47] as a table

[1:42:47] .

[1:42:48] It can be exported to an excel

[1:42:52] spreadsheet has information not

[1:42:53] only of the zoning district,

[1:42:55] the number units approved, how

[1:42:58] many are built so far, how many

[1:43:01] are remaining to be built.

[1:43:07] This is useful to developers

[1:43:08] and others to find out where

[1:43:09] our land is that they could

[1:43:14] maybe purchase and develop or

[1:43:15] already have the zoning

[1:43:22] available or to rezone.

[1:43:23] By being able to download this

[1:43:28] you can filter and sort it and

[1:43:28] summarize.

[1:43:29] You can sort by magisterial

[1:43:32] district and look up the case

[1:43:33] number so if you wanted to find

[1:43:35] out more you could go to the

[1:43:36] county look at that particular

[1:43:40] case.

[1:43:41] And with that I would be happy

[1:43:42] to answer any questions.

[1:43:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:43:44] supervisor vega.

[1:43:45] >> Yesli Vega: first off, I

[1:43:47] think this is great.

[1:43:48] I was thinking about issuing a

[1:43:53] directed so directive avoided

[1:43:54] picketing want to ask him

[1:43:55] appointed the numbers regards

[1:43:59] to cog projections

[1:43:59] .

[1:44:00] I know at one point a big push,

[1:44:01] if you will

[1:44:02] , for not just the

[1:44:04] affordable housing component

[1:44:06] for housing in general was

[1:44:11] driven by those numbers so

[1:44:12] where are we in regards to the

[1:44:15] numbers and where we are today?

[1:44:18] >> in relation to

[1:44:18] , our

[1:44:19] capacity.

[1:44:22] A relationship to the capacity

[1:44:23] of the county conference and

[1:44:29] plan to accommodate our growth,

[1:44:30] we can accommodate the growth

[1:44:31] to 2050 based on the projected

[1:44:31] growth.

[1:44:38] Out to 2050.

[1:44:39] That's maybe the extent of the

[1:44:39] relationship.

[1:44:44] The cog projections were

[1:44:48] recently updated.

[1:44:49] They give a timeframe when our

[1:44:52] growth is in that is not in

[1:44:55] relation to the buildout.

[1:44:59] Buildout does guide our

[1:45:00] distribution a distribution in

[1:45:02] the cog model used for

[1:45:08] transportation modeling and air

[1:45:09] quality monitoring and the

[1:45:10] kinds of planning

[1:45:10] exercises

[1:45:11] including regional water supply

[1:45:15] .

[1:45:16] So there are many uses for the

[1:45:17] cog data and this is something

[1:45:21] that helps us develop and

[1:45:22] refine and where the growth is

[1:45:27] going to go in the model.

[1:45:28] >> Yesli Vega: thank you for

[1:45:28] that.

[1:45:32] I've been playing around

[1:45:33] with it and I'm looking at the

[1:45:33] nonresidential inventory

[1:45:35] summary.

[1:45:36] Do we have an interactive map

[1:45:37] specific to data centers in the

[1:45:43] county?

[1:45:43] >> no, but that is a phase 2 we

[1:45:44] can look at adding to the

[1:45:49] buildout analysis to show where

[1:45:49] data centers are and I know

[1:45:55] that we are working on those

[1:45:55] .

[1:45:56] >> Yesli Vega: great.

[1:45:57] Another directive avoided.

[1:46:00] Can you talk to me about the

[1:46:01] timing of the phase 2

[1:46:01] interactive map for data

[1:46:05] centers only in the county?

[1:46:06] >> that is an effort that

[1:46:07] requires coordination with

[1:46:15] other departments such as

[1:46:16] development services, which

[1:46:16] again for the planning office

[1:46:17] we handle the entitlements.

[1:46:18] When it comes to building

[1:46:19] permits and what have you, that

[1:46:20] development services and so

[1:46:21] there are already conversations

[1:46:23] underway working with deputy

[1:46:24] county executive and other

[1:46:30] departments toward producing an

[1:46:30] interactive map that includes

[1:46:31] all the datacenter related data

[1:46:35] that we have.

[1:46:36] >> Yesli Vega: we don't have a

[1:46:37] range in terms of timing?

[1:46:38] >> we would have to get back to

[1:46:41] you on that.

[1:46:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:46:47] supervisor gordy?

[1:46:48] >> Tom Gordy: I also just

[1:46:51] applied for the tool.

[1:46:52] I've been playing around with

[1:46:56] it for the past few weeks

[1:46:57] looking into it and trying to

[1:46:58] manipulate the numbers to

[1:47:01] understand at least from the

[1:47:02] brentsville district

[1:47:05] perspective of what the

[1:47:08] potential is in taking a look

[1:47:10] at the 10 acre lots and trying

[1:47:13] to understand how many of those

[1:47:21] could get built.

[1:47:22] Looking how we can leverage it

[1:47:22] for calculations trying to

[1:47:26] understand within a certain

[1:47:27] area what is the buildout

[1:47:29] potential for that.

[1:47:33] I've been enjoying learning how

[1:47:33] to use the tool and I got to

[1:47:36] spend more time on it.

[1:47:37] The one thing I want to go back

[1:47:39] to his affordable housing.

[1:47:40] In each and every one of our

[1:47:41] developments

[1:47:42] , most of them have

[1:47:45] affordable units that are part

[1:47:46] of it that become entitled.

[1:47:50] Are you including in phase 2

[1:47:56] helping us track the number of

[1:47:56] affordable units that were

[1:48:00] approved in part of the process

[1:48:02] in sort helping us track

[1:48:03] working toward meeting that

[1:48:04] goal because that is going back

[1:48:10] to cog and we set a target and

[1:48:10] then how are we doing to meet

[1:48:12] that target.

[1:48:13] Will that be embedded in this

[1:48:20] as well?

[1:48:21] >> that is something we are

[1:48:22] considering and have been

[1:48:22] discussions of the housing

[1:48:23] office.

[1:48:28] In fact, we had a training this

[1:48:29] morning on the affordable

[1:48:31] dwelling unit ornaments let all

[1:48:31] three of our departments

[1:48:35] provided that training because

[1:48:35] we all play different roles

[1:48:40] implementing that ordinance and

[1:48:41] as a part of that using that as

[1:48:42] a way to get our ducks in a row

[1:48:42] to be able to track the

[1:48:43] different ways that the county

[1:48:48] gets affordable housing units.

[1:48:49] We track it through the

[1:48:52] entitlements we have that data

[1:48:52] ,

[1:48:53] looking at the other mechanisms

[1:48:56] through pyrite projects

[1:48:56] .

[1:48:58] That is something that again we

[1:49:01] have already been discussing

[1:49:03] the buildout analysis and their

[1:49:08] other venues with the county is

[1:49:09] asked to provide the data so we

[1:49:14] would be looking at how we can

[1:49:15] but the tracking mechanisms in

[1:49:15] place so we can track the

[1:49:17] various ways we could get units

[1:49:22] moving forward that.

[1:49:23] Which ones are committed

[1:49:29] affordable units because that's

[1:49:30] another distinction which one

[1:49:31] state affordable so we can

[1:49:32] continue to track it and to

[1:49:33] figure out a buildout analysis

[1:49:38] and/or other venues where we

[1:49:39] can provide that data so we can

[1:49:44] be transparent.

[1:49:44] >> Tom Gordy: okay.

[1:49:45] On my last question.

[1:49:50] and this MAY be efface three,

[1:49:51] but as we update -- don't get

[1:49:52] too excited, christina.

[1:49:54] As we

[1:49:55] update the targeted industries

[1:49:59] list and we start looking at

[1:50:00] the types of zonings sort of

[1:50:04] having an overlay to know

[1:50:05] what's available for the

[1:50:05] targeted industries and pulling

[1:50:09] all that together is a tool to

[1:50:10] help us as we are talking but

[1:50:11] we know we have x amount of

[1:50:13] acres for this type of

[1:50:15] industry, this type of zoning

[1:50:18] in order to meet that need of

[1:50:30] whatever the target industry is

[1:50:31] .

[1:50:31] I think that would be a great

[1:50:32] benefit.

[1:50:33] But looking out more of a phase

[1:50:33] 3 approach.

[1:50:33] Hat is all I

[1:50:34] have.

[1:50:34] Thank you.

[1:50:35] > Deshundra Jefferson,

[1:50:36] Mayor: thank you so very much.

[1:50:36] Supervisor bailey?

[1:50:37] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:50:38] thank you MADAM Chair.

[1:50:38] This is great.

[1:50:39] Excellent news

[1:50:40] .

[1:50:48] It also enables us to create

[1:50:48] vision.

[1:50:49] You get together ANDb& create

[1:50:50] vision for the future for our

[1:50:52] county.

[1:50:54] The question I had was about by

[1:50:54] right

[1:50:55] .

[1:51:01] Does this help us better assess

[1:51:05] or predict the by right pieces

[1:51:09] of property we have?

[1:51:10] That is always an opportunity

[1:51:10] for us.

[1:51:16] >> thank you for the question

[1:51:21] supervisor bailey.

[1:51:21] The residential inventory is a

[1:51:25] list of everything zoned and

[1:51:25] not built.

[1:51:25] And has been zoned.

[1:51:28] It already has the ability to

[1:51:33] develop however many units or

[1:51:34] square feet through the zoning

[1:51:37] process already

[1:51:37] .

[1:51:38] It becomes the entitlement for

[1:51:45] the piece of property.

[1:51:45] You can look at each rezoning

[1:51:49] case, how many units are left

[1:51:49] on see what the by right number

[1:51:56] is for all the re-zonings that

[1:51:59] can be developed by right.

[1:52:00] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:52:01] and will that be compatible

[1:52:03] with the datacenter information

[1:52:04] supervisor vega asked you

[1:52:09] about?

[1:52:09] Unthought be integrated and

[1:52:10] that also?

[1:52:18] >> there's a non-inventory and

[1:52:18] how many square feet

[1:52:19] are left to

[1:52:20] be developed on the cases so we

[1:52:21] can look at now what can be

[1:52:23] developed.

[1:52:25] The data centers in and lots of

[1:52:32] different districts, but other

[1:52:33] uses can use the tool to look

[1:52:34] for land zoned appropriately

[1:52:41] for their use.

[1:52:42] When you look up an individual

[1:52:45] case you will be able to tell

[1:52:47] what the datacenter is and if

[1:52:53] it is a datacenter or if it is

[1:52:53] not associated with any

[1:52:54] datacenter.

[1:52:54] You could tell that from

[1:52:56] looking up for a majority of

[1:53:01] the cases listed in the

[1:53:03] nonresidential inventory.

[1:53:04] Some cases are blanket

[1:53:08] industrial zonings done in 19

[1:53:09] video when they created the

[1:53:16] zoning map.

[1:53:16] Most types it uses.

[1:53:16] E are not

[1:53:18] going to know other than the

[1:53:20] total floor area ratio and

[1:53:28] therefore the square footage

[1:53:28] .

[1:53:29] As far as a use, it can be any

[1:53:30] use in the zoning district.

[1:53:31] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[1:53:38] thank you.

[1:53:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:53:40] supervisor boddye thank you

[1:53:40] MISS Washington.

[1:53:41] Thank you for putting this

[1:53:41] together.

[1:53:42] I have also been someone asking

[1:53:43] about the buildout analysis for

[1:53:44] a while.

[1:53:44] Temperature the

[1:53:45] conversation

[1:53:46] about there being future phases

[1:53:46] .

[1:53:47] I was playing with that earlier

[1:53:48] and are going to say this right

[1:53:58] now.

[1:53:59] In the potomac mills activity

[1:54:00] center is a dwelling potential

[1:54:00] of 6300 units.

[1:54:01] That makes me excited and I'm

[1:54:02] sure it makes christina excited

[1:54:02] too.

[1:54:03] My actual question is

[1:54:03] .

[1:54:04] David, you probably remember

[1:54:08] this when we adopted the

[1:54:08] comprehensive plan we allowed

[1:54:14] to there to be some residential

[1:54:15] allowed in the office mixed

[1:54:18] use.

[1:54:19] However, as I look at it right

[1:54:21] now in the office mixed use

[1:54:29] countywide figuring out a

[1:54:30] dwelling unit potential is zero

[1:54:31] and so could you talk about how

[1:54:32] that drives knowing we added

[1:54:33] residential allowances in

[1:54:38] there?

[1:54:39] >> I believe it was a small

[1:54:41] percentage

[1:54:41] .

[1:54:43] We wanted to be consistent and

[1:54:44] so with the conference and

[1:54:46] plan.

[1:54:47] That is something we can go

[1:54:53] back and look at and see if we

[1:54:53] should assume some residential

[1:54:54] growth.

[1:55:02] But again, it was a smaller

[1:55:03] percentage of that particular

[1:55:03] designation but we can go back

[1:55:04] and look at that thank you so

[1:55:06] much.

[1:55:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:55:08] I don't have anyone else in

[1:55:15] queue.

[1:55:16] It is fun to geek out and play

[1:55:17] around because there is so much

[1:55:17] data at your fingertips.

[1:55:25] It looks really good.

[1:55:26] It looks very, very good so

[1:55:27] thank you.

[1:55:27] >> MR. Shorter: thank you MADAM

[1:55:28] Chair and thank you director

[1:55:29] washington.

[1:55:29] Thank you all for the great

[1:55:38] work.

[1:55:39] To directives issued last week

[1:55:40] when we were together staff is

[1:55:41] directed to research, review,

[1:55:41] and evaluate the positions of

[1:55:42] the state code section which

[1:55:43] allows for the creation of

[1:55:44] local economic revitalization

[1:55:50] zones in the section that

[1:55:51] provides impartial tax

[1:55:51] exemption for properties in the

[1:55:52] designated redevelopment

[1:55:53] conservation areas where

[1:55:54] rehabilitation districts all

[1:55:56] with the purpose of providing

[1:55:56] recommendations on the

[1:56:00] establishment of a local

[1:56:01] economic development

[1:56:02] revitalization zone ordinance

[1:56:03] this directive was assigned to

[1:56:04] the department of economic

[1:56:05] element and tourism.

[1:56:06] Staff is directed to bring a

[1:56:20] resolution to the board to

[1:56:21] dissolve the arts council,

[1:56:21] which we did today.

[1:56:22] That resolution -- that

[1:56:23] directive was assigned to the

[1:56:24] department of parks and

[1:56:24] recreation.

[1:56:25] And it will be closed today

[1:56:25] given the agenda.

[1:56:26] There were no directives closed

[1:56:27] during the week between last

[1:56:32] meeting in this meeting

[1:56:33] .

[1:56:34] MADAM Chair, I wanted to take a

[1:56:35] moment if I can commit to

[1:56:35] recognize michelle.

[1:56:38] She is retiring this month.

[1:56:42] She served as the director of

[1:56:43] public safety communications

[1:56:47] and has served this community

[1:56:48] for 36 years.

[1:56:51] I want to recognize her,

[1:56:52] thinker to hers for her service

[1:56:53] overseeing us through a

[1:56:57] generation here

[1:56:57] .

[1:56:58] All kinds of technological

[1:56:59] changes and other changes in

[1:57:05] the county when she has been

[1:57:05] here.

[1:57:06] She is the voice behind the

[1:57:06] voiceless.

[1:57:07] Those who call 9-1-1. I would

[1:57:08] like to take a moment because

[1:57:16] this is his last meeting with

[1:57:16] prince william county.

[1:57:17] I would like to recognize our

[1:57:18] deputy county executive dan

[1:57:19] alexander.

[1:57:23] Dan has been appointed to be

[1:57:24] the next city manager for the

[1:57:26] city of fairfax

[1:57:26] .

[1:57:31] We are going to MISS Him here.

[1:57:31] Appreciate his service and

[1:57:32] work.

[1:57:32] It's been a pioneer in that he

[1:57:33] served as the first deputy

[1:57:43] county executive on the safe

[1:57:44] and secure community quadrant.

[1:57:45] So dan, thank you.

[1:57:46] Thank you for all you have done

[1:57:47] for the county.

[1:57:47] [Applause]

[1:57:48] And I want to make sure that I

[1:57:57] recognize

[1:57:57] .

[1:57:58] If there's anything else.

[1:57:58] All right.

[1:58:02] Well

[1:58:03] , finally I want to make

[1:58:04] sure I think in recognize steve

[1:58:09] austin.

[1:58:10] Steve has come out of

[1:58:10] retirement to serve as acting

[1:58:12] deputy county executive for

[1:58:13] safe and secure community while

[1:58:21] we search when he has served in

[1:58:21] this community for a

[1:58:23] significant amount of time.

[1:58:29] I personally called to ask him

[1:58:29] to come back and appreciate he

[1:58:30] has taken the opportunity to

[1:58:31] come back and serve the

[1:58:34] community so thank you so much

[1:58:34] .

[1:58:36] And with that I will close,

[1:58:42] MADAM Chair.

[1:58:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[1:58:44] thank you and let's move to

[1:58:45] agenda item number nine and

[1:58:52] that is county attorney time.

[1:58:52] MADAM Attorney, the floor if

[1:58:52] you are.

[1:58:54] > MR. Shorter: thank you met

[1:58:54] interpret this afternoon we

[1:58:55] will have several items for the

[1:58:56] first is consultation with

[1:58:57] legal counsel and briefings by

[1:58:58] staff members pertaining to the

[1:58:59] discussion or consideration of

[1:59:00] the disposition a publicly held

[1:59:09] real property along with the

[1:59:10] consultation with legal counsel

[1:59:11] and briefings by staff members

[1:59:11] regarding specific legal

[1:59:12] matters requiring the provision

[1:59:13] of legal advice by such counsel

[1:59:14] pertaining to land-use and

[1:59:25] electric energy

[1:59:26] , electric power

[1:59:27] regulatory law to include legal

[1:59:28] advice on proposed energy

[1:59:29] projects including but not

[1:59:30] limited to the dominion energy

[1:59:31] nokesville to bristow 230

[1:59:31] project on the more smoke

[1:59:32] wishing star 532 project were

[1:59:33] such consultation, discussion

[1:59:34] our briefing would adversely

[1:59:59] affect the bargaining position,

[2:00:00] negotiate a strategy,

[2:00:01] litigating posture of the

[2:00:02] public body we will

[2:00:02] consultation with legal

[2:00:04] counsel, briefings pertaining

[2:00:05] to the discussion concerning an

[2:00:05] economic develop an item

[2:00:06] regarding an expansion of an

[2:00:07] existing business or industry

[2:00:08] were no previous announcement

[2:00:09] has been made on the business

[2:00:10] or industries interest in

[2:00:11] expending the facilities and

[2:00:12] the county along with the

[2:00:12] related discussion or

[2:00:13] consideration of the investment

[2:00:14] of public funds for economic

[2:00:15] development matters where

[2:00:16] competition in bargaining is

[2:00:17] involved with made public

[2:00:18] initially financial interest of

[2:00:18] the county would be adversely

[2:00:19] affected along with the

[2:00:20] discussion or consideration of

[2:00:21] disposition a publicly held

[2:00:21] real property.

[2:00:22] All where discussion in an open

[2:00:23] meeting would adversely affect

[2:00:24] the litigating posture,

[2:00:25] bargaining position, or

[2:00:26] negotiating strategy the public

[2:00:26] body.

[2:00:27] We will consultation with legal

[2:00:28] stuff counsel and briefings by

[2:00:29] staff members containing to an

[2:00:29] economic develop an item

[2:00:30] regarding the discussion or

[2:00:31] consideration of the investment

[2:00:32] of public funds for an economic

[2:00:36] development matter where

[2:00:37] competition or bargaining is

[2:00:38] involved where it made public

[2:00:39] initially the financial

[2:00:40] interest of the county would be

[2:00:41] adversely affected, along with

[2:00:42] a discussion and consideration

[2:00:42] of the disposition a publicly

[2:00:43] held real property.

[2:00:45] All where discussion in an open

[2:00:45] meeting would adversely affect

[2:00:46] the bargaining position,

[2:00:47] litigating posture, and

[2:00:48] negotiating strategy the public

[2:01:02] body.

[2:01:03] Consultation with the ghost

[2:01:04] counsel and briefings by staff

[2:01:04] members pertaining to the

[2:01:05] discussion concerning an

[2:01:06] economic development item

[2:01:07] regarding an expansion of the

[2:01:08] existing business or industry

[2:01:09] were no previous announcement

[2:01:10] has been made if the business

[2:01:11] or industry interest in

[2:01:12] extending the facilities in the

[2:01:12] county.

[2:01:13] Along with the related

[2:01:14] discussion or consideration of

[2:01:15] the investment of public funds

[2:01:16] for economic development

[2:01:20] matters where competition or

[2:01:21] bargaining is involved were

[2:01:22] initially made public the

[2:01:23] financial interest of the

[2:01:24] county would be adversely

[2:01:24] affected, all where discussion

[2:01:25] in an open meeting would

[2:01:26] adversely affect the litigating

[2:01:27] posture and bargaining position

[2:01:28] in negotiating strategy the

[2:01:42] public body

[2:01:43] .

[2:01:44] Finally, personnel discussions

[2:01:45] and considerations relating to

[2:01:46] the hiring of an interactive it

[2:01:48] off as a human resources were

[2:01:49] consultation, briefing or

[2:01:49] discussion in an open meeting

[2:01:50] would adversely affect the

[2:01:51] bargaining position, letting an

[2:01:52] imposter, or negotiating

[2:01:53] strategy of the public body.

[2:01:54] These items are pretty close

[2:01:55] session presented 2.2-3711 a1,

[2:01:56] three, five, six and eight of

[2:01:56] the code of virginia.

[2:01:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:01:58] hold on.

[2:01:59] Supervisor gordy.

[2:01:59] > Tom Gordy: before the

[2:02:00] board votes on the racing and

[2:02:01] holds the closed meeting a need

[2:02:02] to declare personal interest

[2:02:03] regarding the dominion energy

[2:02:04] nokesville to bristow 230

[2:02:07] kilowatts electric transmission

[2:02:08] project but my home is located

[2:02:09] in the vicinity of the project

[2:02:09] study area.

[2:02:10] S property owners

[2:02:10] in proximity to the project

[2:02:11] study area my wife and I are

[2:02:14] members of a group which is

[2:02:15] affected by the matter.

[2:02:16] I will be participating in the

[2:02:17] matter because I am able to do

[2:02:18] so fairly, objectively, and in

[2:02:19] the public interest.

[2:02:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:02:23] thank you.

[2:02:23] We have a motion.

[2:02:24] > Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[2:02:24] move for approval.

[2:02:25] >> Kenny Boddye: second.

[2:02:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:02:27] let's go ahead and take our

[2:02:30] vote.

[2:02:31] >> Victor Angry: aye.

[2:02:34] >> thank you supervisor angry.

[2:02:35] Vote unanimous.

[2:02:36] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:02:38] thank you so very much.

[2:02:39] Ding, victor.

[2:02:42] I appreciate you for staying in

[2:02:46] their.

[2:02:47] We are going to go to MR.

[2:02:47] Shorter for agency time.

[2:02:50] >> MR. Shorter: with item 10 a

[2:02:51] we just talked about it as we

[2:02:52] adopted

[2:02:53] , the board adopted the

[2:02:57] ordinance for local foundation

[2:02:58] and soul management earlier in

[2:02:59] the meeting.

[2:03:04] This is the transfer budget and

[2:03:05] appropriate item and we are

[2:03:06] asking for the board

[2:03:14] consideration.

[2:03:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:03:16] are there any further questions

[2:03:16] for staff?

[2:03:17] If not I would like to get a

[2:03:21] motion to move 10a forward.

[2:03:21] Properly moved and seconded.

[2:03:22] Any further discussion around

[2:03:23] this?

[2:03:23] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

[2:03:24] Chair.

[2:03:24] I want to reiterate the staff

[2:03:29] report explicitly states

[2:03:29] recurring costs for the

[2:03:30] foundation until management

[2:03:31] fund that will need to be

[2:03:32] included in the budget are

[2:03:41] unknown at this time also, the

[2:03:42] report warns analyze programs

[2:03:42] cause will be driven by

[2:03:43] community interest in the

[2:03:44] program which could

[2:03:48] significantly be more than the

[2:03:49] initial 200,000 transfer been

[2:03:50] asked from the contingency fund

[2:03:50] today.

[2:03:52] I think we can all assume that

[2:03:53] is just to kick this off at the

[2:04:03] ask is going to be much greater

[2:04:04] than the 200,000.

[2:04:05] And lastly, the ordinance

[2:04:06] clearly states the board is not

[2:04:07] required to budget and or

[2:04:08] appropriate funds to the fund

[2:04:08] each year relying on

[2:04:09] voluntarily edible

[2:04:09] appropriations to the fund

[2:04:10] being empty or unable to meet

[2:04:11] demand if that community

[2:04:13] interest is hi.

[2:04:14] Again MADAM Chair, to my

[2:04:15] colleagues, I don't think that

[2:04:18] this is a radial.

[2:04:19] There are a lot of unknowns and

[2:04:22] a lot of things in my opinion

[2:04:23] we can still figure out make

[2:04:24] sugar through transparency and

[2:04:27] accountability and how these

[2:04:28] funds are going to be

[2:04:28] administered once the time

[2:04:30] comes

[2:04:30] .

[2:04:31] Lastly, I do have one question

[2:04:33] and assuming this will pass,

[2:04:34] which more than likely will

[2:04:42] ,

[2:04:43] when do we anticipate that the

[2:04:44] fund will be semi-operational

[2:04:44] or operational altogether to

[2:04:55] start receiving applications?

[2:04:56] >> deputy director of

[2:05:03] development services

[2:05:03] .

[2:05:07] If the money is appropriated,

[2:05:08] the applications would start

[2:05:14] MAY through JULY 2026 with the

[2:05:15] applications coming to the

[2:05:15] board.

[2:05:16] All the application submitted

[2:05:22] coming to the board in

[2:05:23] SEPTEMBER 26 because AUGUST you

[2:05:24] are on recess.

[2:05:25] That will line us up to bring

[2:05:25] everything to the board in

[2:05:26] SEPTEMBER.

[2:05:27] Ith our scoring

[2:05:32] and top scoring kind of thing.

[2:05:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:05:33] all right.

[2:05:35] Anything else?

[2:05:38] If not, let's go ahead and take

[2:05:41] our vote.

[2:05:53] >> Victor Angry: aye.

[2:05:54] >> motion passes 6/2 supervisor

[2:05:58] gordy and vega voting no.

[2:05:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:05:59] MR. Shorter?

[2:06:03] >> MR. Shorter: very excited to

[2:06:04] invite christina winn in the

[2:06:05] economic development and

[2:06:06] tourism team up.

[2:06:13] Consistent with the strategic

[2:06:13] plan presentation of the board

[2:06:14] saw the last time we were

[2:06:16] together, very excited about

[2:06:17] the completion of the workforce

[2:06:21] development study and all the

[2:06:22] work that happened up to this

[2:06:22] point.

[2:06:23] Whenever we can get the

[2:06:26] presentation up

[2:06:27] , I will turn it

[2:06:34] to christina winn.

[2:06:35] >> Christina Winn: thank you.

[2:06:36] Good afternoon chair jefferson,

[2:06:36] members of the board.

[2:06:37] Economic development and

[2:06:38] tourism.

[2:06:39] I am really excited to be here

[2:06:43] today to talk about our

[2:06:44] workforce presentation.

[2:06:45] As you know, economic

[2:06:48] development, our main mission

[2:06:51] is to create jobs and attract

[2:06:54] businesses and retain those

[2:07:03] businesses.

[2:07:04] When we look at what companies

[2:07:04] come in their mind main

[2:07:05] criteria, their initial

[2:07:07] criteria when they are looking

[2:07:08] for a new location is always

[2:07:10] about workforce that is top on

[2:07:15] the list.

[2:07:19] Skills and demand for workforce

[2:07:20] has become even more

[2:07:23] competitive amongst companies,

[2:07:26] and as become even more

[2:07:30] important to focus on workforce

[2:07:34] and economic development.

[2:07:35] As MR. Shorter mentioned

[2:07:36] ,

[2:07:40] workforce is spelled out in our

[2:07:46] strategic plan and the study is

[2:07:48] going toward being responsive

[2:07:48] to that.

[2:07:55] Last year

[2:07:57] , put it this way.

[2:07:58] During the pandemic we had to

[2:07:59] stand up a lot workforce

[2:07:59] related programs because

[2:08:00] employment agon hi we were

[2:08:01] doing that.

[2:08:03] We did not have

[2:08:07] any existing staff people

[2:08:10] focused on it so everybody was

[2:08:13] doing workforce development

[2:08:14] .

[2:08:16] In the fiscal year the board

[2:08:17] and given us a position to we

[2:08:21] are in the process of hiring

[2:08:22] our new workforce position that

[2:08:25] would be dedicated to

[2:08:28] workforce, which this is super

[2:08:29] crucial for moving this

[2:08:32] forward.

[2:08:35] As background in AUGUST of 2024

[2:08:43] we went through an rfp process

[2:08:43] we hired to strategies to

[2:08:44] perform an analysis of

[2:08:46] workforce development in prince

[2:08:47] william county.

[2:08:53] So why do we do this?

[2:08:54] There are so many workforce

[2:08:54] players in this landscape.

[2:08:55] Everybody does a little piece

[2:08:56] .

[2:08:56] Whether it is on the training

[2:09:01] front door with attraction or

[2:09:02] skills development.

[2:09:06] All of

[2:09:07] these organizations do pieces

[2:09:07] of this

[2:09:10] .

[2:09:14] We allocated the $100,000 to

[2:09:15] get the study.

[2:09:20] We hired to strategies and we

[2:09:21] were focused on okay, if we are

[2:09:23] going to be in the space, which

[2:09:24] we focus on.

[2:09:25] We didn't want to duplicate

[2:09:25] services.

[2:09:30] We knew we were not

[2:09:30] going to have a lot of

[2:09:31] resources that were going to be

[2:09:35] available for this so one of

[2:09:36] the areas in prince william

[2:09:37] county we could carve out and

[2:09:41] do effectively and optimize

[2:09:42] whatever resources we are

[2:09:54] provided.

[2:09:54] So the scope of work was

[2:09:55] looking at those strong

[2:09:56] partnerships and key

[2:09:57] stakeholders and also did an

[2:09:58] extensive demographic analysis

[2:09:59] really looking at our labor

[2:10:00] force, our skills, what's in

[2:10:00] demand.

[2:10:03] what is oversupplied.

[2:10:04] And it looked at are barriers

[2:10:08] that affect our employment and

[2:10:08] career advancement.

[2:10:12] And then most importantly, it

[2:10:17] made strategic recommendations

[2:10:18] and how we could implement a

[2:10:18] workforce program here in

[2:10:19] prince william county.

[2:10:27] And so with that I'm excited to

[2:10:28] introduce tom, he is the ceo

[2:10:29] and cofounder of tip strategies

[2:10:36] and he has joined with erica

[2:10:37] colston today and then called

[2:10:38] clarice grove, you all know her

[2:10:39] better than a business

[2:10:39] development manager.

[2:10:40] She has been managing this

[2:10:40] project.

[2:10:44] And so with that, take it away.

[2:10:44] And you can raise this up if

[2:10:50] you need to.

[2:10:50] >> thank you very much

[2:10:51] everyone.

[2:10:56] As christina mentioned, I'm tom

[2:10:57] and we as a firm are in

[2:11:02] economic development and

[2:11:03] workforce development strategy

[2:11:04] firm

[2:11:04] fortunate to have been in

[2:11:06] business for 30 years.

[2:11:06] And we do work all over the

[2:11:11] country and I happened to be

[2:11:12] based in austin texas.

[2:11:14] Erica who is with me, of the

[2:11:16] principal on the project and

[2:11:17] erica was our lead consultant

[2:11:22] and project manager.

[2:11:23] And she is in route moving from

[2:11:35] texas to chicago at the moment.

[2:11:36] I want to say thank you to

[2:11:38] christina and alyssa who is

[2:11:41] kind of the research group in

[2:11:42] that department who are all

[2:11:46] very helpful.

[2:11:47] We are going to present kind of

[2:11:48] an overview today

[2:11:51] .

[2:11:52] Just know that there is a full

[2:11:54] report and document in a couple

[2:11:55] datasets

[2:11:58] , dashboards if you

[2:12:01] guys would like access

[2:12:01] , I will

[2:12:03] give it to you guys.

[2:12:24] All right.

[2:12:31] Just a reminder, the actual

[2:12:32] goal is to analyze the

[2:12:33] workforce development

[2:12:33] landscape.

[2:12:34] Who is doing what within the

[2:12:37] county and identify where the

[2:12:48] opportunities.

[2:12:49] And as christina pointed out,

[2:12:50] the ultimate goal is to give a

[2:12:51] game plan, sort of a roadmap

[2:12:52] for the program within economic

[2:12:55] development and tourism.

[2:12:56] I will say beforehand into

[2:13:01] erica, it is important to be

[2:13:02] reminded the workforce

[2:13:06] ecosystem includes a number of

[2:13:07] parts.

[2:13:07] In many of them, and the county

[2:13:12] has great influence over.

[2:13:12] You can see up there is the

[2:13:17] orange where that department

[2:13:18] and this program will live.

[2:13:20] But employers are a big part of

[2:13:30] it.

[2:13:31] Obviously the residents of

[2:13:32] prince william county are a big

[2:13:33] part of it and there are

[2:13:33] multiple agencies.

[2:13:34] Virginia career work that

[2:13:35] others in the business of doing

[2:13:35] workforce training.

[2:13:37] And there are a number of what

[2:13:40] we call wraparound services

[2:13:40] .

[2:13:41] People have to act fast off

[2:13:44] access to transportation, there

[2:13:49] has to be affordable housing.

[2:13:50] S a number of things he have

[2:13:51] a great influence over the

[2:13:52] economic development and

[2:14:00] tourism department and there is

[2:14:01] obviously the university and

[2:14:02] northern virginia community

[2:14:03] college providing direct

[2:14:03] education services.

[2:14:04] So just a reminder of where all

[2:14:12] of this lives ultimately the

[2:14:13] goal here is to really hone in

[2:14:14] on what is the roll of the

[2:14:16] county.

[2:14:17] And specifically what is the

[2:14:18] roll for this program within

[2:14:19] economic development.

[2:14:20] With that I'm going to hand it

[2:14:27] to erica

[2:14:27] .

[2:14:28] Just push this button here.

[2:14:29] >> thank you tom and thank you

[2:14:30] to the board for having us here

[2:14:31] today and giving us the

[2:14:32] opportunity to present on the

[2:14:32] results of the study.

[2:14:38] On task we wanted to highlight

[2:14:39] without review of the county

[2:14:40] strategic plan.

[2:14:45] When we mentioned earlier not

[2:14:46] been duplicative of existing

[2:14:47] recommendations and in terms of

[2:14:47] current work ongoing in the

[2:14:49] workforce ecosystem.

[2:14:50] We found as we went through the

[2:14:54] strategic plan for the county

[2:14:55] that there are three different

[2:14:56] goals areas the related

[2:14:57] specifically to the work in the

[2:14:58] department economic development

[2:14:59] and tourism.

[2:15:04] There are more objectives but

[2:15:05] we only highlighted the ones

[2:15:08] directly relevant in some form

[2:15:12] or fashion.

[2:15:12] Those three goals are

[2:15:13] education, quality of life, and

[2:15:17] smart growth.

[2:15:18] What we have done is

[2:15:18] highlighted the small right

[2:15:21] column differentiating between

[2:15:21] where the workforce program

[2:15:24] offers a contributing roll

[2:15:25] meaning they are part of

[2:15:28] day-to-day implementation.

[2:15:29] They are not necessarily the

[2:15:36] only actor or entity advancing

[2:15:37] but they should be considered a

[2:15:39] key contributor in terms of

[2:15:39] implementation for new

[2:15:40] strategic plan.

[2:15:40] He plus side

[2:15:41] syndicating a supportive role.

[2:15:42] The workforce program might be

[2:15:43] called upon to support their

[2:15:45] but isn't necessarily part of

[2:15:50] the day-to-day responsibility

[2:15:51] to mention technical reviews,

[2:15:52] an example of documents

[2:15:55] reviewed.

[2:15:56] We also reviewed the previous

[2:15:58] workforce development program

[2:16:02] called elevate

[2:16:03] .

[2:16:03] That generated a lot momentum

[2:16:04] coming out of cobit in terms of

[2:16:06] leveraging arpa dollars to

[2:16:12] implement a workforce program.

[2:16:13] I will talk about how that

[2:16:13] relates to the work.

[2:16:14] We reviewed plans from your

[2:16:15] partners in the workforce

[2:16:16] ecosystem we conducted

[2:16:17] interviews and focus groups we

[2:16:22] conducted a conference of data

[2:16:23] analysis.

[2:16:24] Tom mentioned we provided data

[2:16:30] tools to the staff.

[2:16:31] Those particular tools are

[2:16:31] workforce them analysis of the

[2:16:35] demand and supply landscape.

[2:16:36] As well as a job quality access

[2:16:37] to a. You can dig into

[2:16:38] different occupations and see

[2:16:45] the relative quality and access

[2:16:46] of the jobs across to couple

[2:16:47] different factors with the

[2:16:48] staff has access to those so we

[2:16:48] can be sure to get access to

[2:16:49] those later on.

[2:16:50] Those three tasks built into

[2:16:53] the strategic direction of the

[2:16:54] study results and I wanted to

[2:16:56] highlight there are two sets of

[2:16:57] recommendations that came out

[2:17:02] of the study that differ in

[2:17:03] terms of the responsibilities

[2:17:04] employers involved.

[2:17:04] i did want

[2:17:07] to highlight findings before we

[2:17:08] get into the recommendations

[2:17:15] about what were the key results

[2:17:16] thus far assist in engagement

[2:17:17] as well as the data analysis.

[2:17:21] In terms of what we learned the

[2:17:22] different focus groups we

[2:17:23] conducted across the study who

[2:17:24] was involved, who we talk 2 to

[2:17:25] make sure we were accounting

[2:17:26] for the overall landscape.

[2:17:29] Funding 1a talk to stakeholders

[2:17:30] quickly spoke a lot about the

[2:17:34] previous workforce development

[2:17:35] program and how there were gaps

[2:17:36] left behind in terms of the

[2:17:37] relationships and efforts

[2:17:37] ongoing

[2:17:37] .

[2:17:39] In terms of momentum fell off

[2:17:40] in terms of the existing

[2:17:42] program

[2:17:42] .

[2:17:43] In terms of where these

[2:17:48] specific lane is the economic

[2:17:48] development department.

[2:17:53] They help clarify where they

[2:17:54] saw the particular value.

[2:18:01] The second take away is how

[2:18:02] having access to the resources

[2:18:03] from the economic development

[2:18:10] perspective will help in terms

[2:18:11] of retention but help the

[2:18:12] educators understand what is

[2:18:13] coming down the pipeline to

[2:18:14] prepare for in terms of program

[2:18:15] expansion in terms of where the

[2:18:15] demand is.

[2:18:16] In engaging with employers in

[2:18:17] terms of what the program would

[2:18:23] do employers of what existing

[2:18:24] resources are in the community.

[2:18:28] Maybe there is not a need for

[2:18:29] new program, maybe there is a

[2:18:30] need to promote an existing

[2:18:37] program.

[2:18:38] And vice versa in terms of

[2:18:38] supporting educators.

[2:18:39] Make each of the of

[2:18:39] connections

[2:18:40] to employers as they are denies

[2:18:41] that designing programs to make

[2:18:42] sure the end result is a mind.

[2:18:43] The last takeaway when we

[2:18:43] talked education

[2:18:44] training

[2:18:50] providers, the highlight of

[2:18:51] the trend toward short-term

[2:18:52] training that hasn't really

[2:18:52] been present in the area

[2:18:54] previously

[2:18:54] .

[2:18:55] That is a new trend for prince

[2:18:56] william county workforce

[2:18:59] development ecosystem.

[2:19:00] Historically it has been

[2:19:01] focused on higher education,

[2:19:03] four year degrees that have a

[2:19:06] education level.

[2:19:06] In the short term there has

[2:19:07] been a focus in terms of

[2:19:10] certificates

[2:19:11] , short-term job

[2:19:12] training and so on and that

[2:19:13] would help increase access to

[2:19:15] jobs

[2:19:15] .

[2:19:16] I want to highlight

[2:19:17] quantitative data points that

[2:19:19] help validate things we heard

[2:19:25] from stakeholders for any are

[2:19:26] probably familiar with this as

[2:19:26] a community.

[2:19:27] That's the first thing we saw.

[2:19:33] That is definitely still

[2:19:34] present in terms of how the

[2:19:35] workforce development ecosystem

[2:19:36] operates in terms of accessing

[2:19:37] jobs

[2:19:37] .

[2:19:39] In terms of local employment

[2:19:43] growth you are outpacing the

[2:19:43] region.

[2:19:44] We take the long-term view.

[2:19:51] We looked at the last 15 years

[2:19:51] .

[2:19:52] You all have grown 36 percent.

[2:19:53] The next closest benchmark

[2:19:54] would be the overall northern

[2:20:01] virginia.

[2:20:02] Just to let you know, you are

[2:20:03] growing in that regard parker

[2:20:04] mentioned new programs or

[2:20:05] technical skills, short-term

[2:20:06] training we did see evidence

[2:20:07] for demand fugue we looked at a

[2:20:10] two-year sample of job postings

[2:20:11] for the area we noticed half

[2:20:19] the job postings required

[2:20:20] education below the bachelors

[2:20:20] degree level.

[2:20:21] Mention the mismatch between

[2:20:22] demand and supply.

[2:20:22] That's an area of opportunity

[2:20:23] we saw

[2:20:24] , which I will talk about

[2:20:26] in a second.

[2:20:28] That demand is actually present

[2:20:29] across to couple different

[2:20:32] industries wanted to highlight

[2:20:34] healthcare, skilled trades, and

[2:20:35] manufacturing jobs as well

[2:20:39] present in terms of the growth

[2:20:43] of the industry.

[2:20:43] Getting into the

[2:20:46] recommendations for the study,

[2:20:49] when alignment piece we brought

[2:20:52] together some principles of the

[2:20:58] success we have seen in other

[2:20:59] communities these were informed

[2:21:00] by what we heard from

[2:21:01] stakeholders as well.

[2:21:02] What we wanted to make sure we

[2:21:03] were solving for was sustaining

[2:21:09] the job growth

[2:21:09] , making sure

[2:21:10] they continue to be economic

[2:21:11] growth opportunities for

[2:21:14] residents

[2:21:14] .

[2:21:15] Making sure the workforce

[2:21:16] itself is as olympic we talked

[2:21:18] about covid and responding

[2:21:19] quickly picked that is

[2:21:20] dependent on the networks that

[2:21:25] exist

[2:21:25] .

[2:21:26] The third pieces data making

[2:21:27] sure we have access to

[2:21:28] effective datasets for

[2:21:29] decision-making.

[2:21:33] Making sure you are a leader in

[2:21:34] terms of representing prince

[2:21:40] william county workforce needs

[2:21:41] what are the needs of your

[2:21:42] specific employers because you

[2:21:43] are accounting for the

[2:21:43] challenges and community

[2:21:44] specifically versus the overall

[2:21:46] region

[2:21:47] .

[2:21:47] Barrier reduction.

[2:21:48] Addressing challenges that

[2:21:49] jobseekers face when they are

[2:21:50] looking for a job and they're

[2:21:51] looking for job training.

[2:21:55] Each individual is a different

[2:21:56] point addressing that and then

[2:21:57] lost pieces ensuring the

[2:21:58] overall talent pool is

[2:21:59] competitive to ensure your

[2:22:02] economy is resilient.

[2:22:07] This is the first step of

[2:22:08] strategies and regulations

[2:22:09] designed to help move the

[2:22:09] needle on the principles

[2:22:11] themselves we talked about

[2:22:13] earlier the overall ecosystem

[2:22:14] the different players of all.

[2:22:15] These are meant to be of the

[2:22:18] delivered partnership and

[2:22:19] collaboration with different

[2:22:21] workforce development entities

[2:22:21] .

[2:22:30] In terms of wraparound services

[2:22:31] and hr efforts, that's focused

[2:22:31] on addressing barriers to

[2:22:32] employment and improving job

[2:22:33] quality.

[2:22:33] The second is upscaling and

[2:22:34] rescaling.

[2:22:34] In terms of helping incumbent

[2:22:35] workers

[2:22:36] .

[2:22:41] Other advancing or maybe in

[2:22:44] switch industry areas

[2:22:44] .

[2:22:44] Industry sector partnerships

[2:22:47] are bringing together the

[2:22:48] public, private, nonprofit

[2:22:55] sectors in specific industries.

[2:22:56] Picking an industry like

[2:22:57] healthcare to focus on

[2:22:58] improvements to different

[2:22:59] certifications or programs.

[2:22:59] Bringing new people into

[2:23:00] careers the fourth one is

[2:23:02] getting specific in terms of

[2:23:03] supporting the service

[2:23:09] providers the provide the

[2:23:09] direct assistance.

[2:23:10] There are existing entities

[2:23:10] that do this.

[2:23:11] Especially the workforce

[2:23:12] development board.

[2:23:14] Sometimes they have limitations

[2:23:15] in terms of how they can deploy

[2:23:19] their funding for making sure

[2:23:20] you are retaining highly

[2:23:24] skilled talent so that way you

[2:23:25] have people who have the skill

[2:23:26] set to continue to teach the

[2:23:27] skill sets kind of having

[2:23:30] people in the community who

[2:23:32] have the skills needed for

[2:23:36] retention standpoint.

[2:23:37] The last piece, and this is the

[2:23:39] last light we have got.

[2:23:39] This is focused on in the short

[2:23:44] term with the county workforce

[2:23:45] development program should be

[2:23:46] doing in the short term as they

[2:23:47] higher than a position

[2:23:49] .

[2:23:50] In terms of what the primary

[2:23:56] functions should be relating to

[2:23:57] strategies laid out in the

[2:23:57] ecosystem.

[2:23:58] Use the same color so we are

[2:24:01] parallel but these are more

[2:24:02] short-term and more focused on

[2:24:04] the current level of resource.

[2:24:07] Ving workforce data expert

[2:24:07] providing that through

[2:24:10] publication and different

[2:24:12] presentations in terms of

[2:24:13] communicating with the demand

[2:24:20] is in terms of marketing

[2:24:21] resources to employers

[2:24:22] partnering with chambers,

[2:24:23] partner with different business

[2:24:24] organizations actively

[2:24:25] marketing in terms of convening

[2:24:26] stakeholders.

[2:24:27] Released a partnerships there

[2:24:30] are existing convening the

[2:24:37] position should be involved in

[2:24:43] and then in terms of increasing

[2:24:44] awareness partnering with

[2:24:45] different entities to launch a

[2:24:46] communication campaign in terms

[2:24:47] of one of the jobs out there

[2:24:48] that don't necessarily require

[2:24:49] a bachelors degree.

[2:24:54] When you might need additional

[2:24:55] training for those are

[2:24:56] opportunities for upscaling and

[2:24:56] rescaling.

[2:24:59] Lost pieces acknowledging the

[2:25:00] tourism department.

[2:25:04] Promoting the county is not

[2:25:05] just a destination for tourism

[2:25:06] but an ideal place to live and

[2:25:07] work.

[2:25:08] So incorporating workforce

[2:25:09] development assets like

[2:25:12] innovation district into the

[2:25:13] reason you should stay here

[2:25:25] after visiting.

[2:25:25] That is in terms of our

[2:25:26] presentation.

[2:25:26] This is an overview and so in

[2:25:27] terms of review in this study

[2:25:28] we highly encourage you to get

[2:25:29] in touch with the team on that.

[2:25:30] Otherwise that is it for a

[2:25:31] formal presentation.

[2:25:37] You are here for questions

[2:25:37] .

[2:25:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:25:39] supervisor boddye?

[2:25:39] P2 thank you MADAM Chair.

[2:25:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:25:41] do you have more?

[2:25:42] I apologize

[2:25:45] .

[2:25:48] >> real quick I wanted erica

[2:25:53] had outlined the four core

[2:25:53] functions they were

[2:25:57] recommending.

[2:25:58] The first to we are doing the

[2:26:00] existing

[2:26:00] .

[2:26:03] We are going to continue to be

[2:26:04] ramping those up in performing

[2:26:08] those better.

[2:26:09] And just like we did with the

[2:26:12] various for success the small

[2:26:13] business we are going to start

[2:26:20] to work on implementing these

[2:26:21] other opportunities but they

[2:26:21] are in the long-term and they

[2:26:22] MAY require future resources

[2:26:24] .

[2:26:27] The other pieces I'm excited to

[2:26:28] announce michelle is coming

[2:26:32] back as our workforce

[2:26:33] development manager so she will

[2:26:34] be our first official resource

[2:26:35] management area.

[2:26:38] And she will be leading the

[2:26:42] effort looking at helping to

[2:26:44] bring back, elevate, and look

[2:26:49] at how we can and resources as

[2:26:50] well as putting back job fairs

[2:26:56] and career fairs and connecting

[2:26:57] the whole entire workforce

[2:26:59] .

[2:26:59] Okay.

[2:27:02] There.

[2:27:02] That is what I get for talking

[2:27:08] with my hands anyways, we are

[2:27:09] looking forward to implementing

[2:27:10] that and with that we will take

[2:27:12] questions.

[2:27:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:27:14] thank you.

[2:27:16] Does anyone -- re:.

[2:27:17] Supervisor boddye?

[2:27:18] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you

[2:27:25] .

[2:27:26] Thank you tom, thank you erica.

[2:27:27] Appreciate the work that you

[2:27:28] have all done on this and

[2:27:34] appreciate you just added that

[2:27:34] you got michelle back from

[2:27:35] where she was in richmond,

[2:27:35] right?

[2:27:36] Thank you for approaching her

[2:27:37] back from richmond.

[2:27:37] Hank you

[2:27:37] for the work.

[2:27:40] I had a couple questions

[2:27:41] .

[2:27:42] You had a timeline here and

[2:27:42] near

[2:27:43] the beginning of the

[2:27:45] presentation.

[2:27:46] The actual study, list the

[2:27:46] time.

[2:27:52] The study took place?

[2:27:53] >> we procured it in 2024 but

[2:27:57] that takes a what all.

[2:27:58] We are just finishing it.

[2:27:59] It was almost a year long.

[2:28:02] AUGUST 2025

[2:28:04] .

[2:28:05] >> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate

[2:28:05] that.

[2:28:07] Whether you are talking about

[2:28:08] covid.

[2:28:09] Covid, post covid with the

[2:28:12] uncertainty happening

[2:28:17] , each one

[2:28:17] of those is a snapshot of

[2:28:20] certain workforce trends that

[2:28:21] can't be correlated to two or

[2:28:22] three years before that.

[2:28:24] The moment you took was the

[2:28:29] best one because right now, we

[2:28:29] talked about it as a county

[2:28:32] becoming more fiscally and

[2:28:33] financially resilient shocks

[2:28:37] the federal level.

[2:28:37] And lot of folks who came out

[2:28:40] of the federal workforce after

[2:28:43] rescaling up skill or lateral

[2:28:43] skill.

[2:28:53] I appreciate that.

[2:28:54] My overall question is how much

[2:28:54] if that is in the report

[2:28:55] because as a county region so

[2:28:56] dependent on the federal

[2:28:57] government

[2:28:58] , contractors, what

[2:28:58] have you.

[2:29:01] How does that plan to the

[2:29:01] report?

[2:29:07] >> I'm going to turn into erica

[2:29:10] to answer that.

[2:29:10] Erica touched on it.

[2:29:14] After this meeting we will be

[2:29:15] sending out the full report

[2:29:15] , as

[2:29:22] well as the link to the data

[2:29:22] dashboard.

[2:29:23] The way you were getting

[2:29:24] excited about the residential

[2:29:31] buildout analysis, this is the

[2:29:32] same thing but it's about our

[2:29:33] workforce and skills in

[2:29:34] education and it is interesting

[2:29:34] data.

[2:29:35] And so I think that will be

[2:29:38] helpful to continue to help us

[2:29:40] monitor what's going on.

[2:29:42] Do you want to respond to

[2:29:43] addressing the federal

[2:29:50] ?

[2:29:50] >> in terms of where we looked

[2:29:54] at, haven't quite hit

[2:29:55] .

[2:29:56] I recall when we talk to

[2:29:57] phyllis with the social

[2:30:04] services department, she

[2:30:05] mentioned expecting to see a

[2:30:06] bump in terms of accessing

[2:30:06] social services related to

[2:30:09] folks either transitioning out

[2:30:09] of federal jobs in terms of

[2:30:10] people

[2:30:11] looking for different

[2:30:12] opportunities.

[2:30:12] That was something

[2:30:13] we heard

[2:30:13] throughout.

[2:30:14] In terms of the timeline on the

[2:30:17] data itself, I don't know that

[2:30:20] we saw it in the dataset but

[2:30:21] there is original dashboard

[2:30:24] tracking the area in terms of

[2:30:25] how the job of an impact in the

[2:30:26] area

[2:30:27] .

[2:30:28] In terms of the regulation of

[2:30:35] the study, we were looking at

[2:30:35] different partners.

[2:30:35] He

[2:30:36] regional development

[2:30:37] partnership has worked on an

[2:30:38] initiative with the virginia

[2:30:39] community college.

[2:30:52] Is terms of rescaling federal

[2:30:53] workers in picking a different

[2:30:53] notifications.

[2:30:54] One of the key challenges as

[2:30:55] they are a niche specialized

[2:30:56] school sets of people coming

[2:30:57] out of the workforce have there

[2:30:58] can be challenges without.

[2:30:58] Hat is one of the areas going

[2:30:59] to mention career development

[2:31:00] and navigation services

[2:31:00] and

[2:31:01] ecosystem that is very much

[2:31:02] where we have a recommendation

[2:31:03] about pursuing collaborative

[2:31:04] opportunities.

[2:31:04] >> Kenny Boddye: my last one on

[2:31:06] that note appreciate the

[2:31:16] perfect segue.

[2:31:17] How involved was your work

[2:31:18] engaging with the school system

[2:31:19] did they play a roll on this?

[2:31:20] Spoke with doctor career and

[2:31:21] technical education they were

[2:31:21] included in our focus group

[2:31:22] study as well.

[2:31:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:31:23] all right.

[2:31:26] I don't have anyone else so

[2:31:36] thank you very much for that.

[2:31:37] >> MR. Shorter: thank you for

[2:31:42] christina, to you and the team

[2:31:43] to tip strategies, thank you

[2:31:45] very much.

[2:31:52] We will now hear from matt to

[2:31:53] talk us through the longer-term

[2:31:53] expansion of the judicial

[2:31:55] center and the work that the

[2:31:58] team has been doing to plan for

[2:32:23] that work.

[2:32:24] >> chair jeff is in the members

[2:32:25] of the board, director of

[2:32:29] facilities of fleet management.

[2:32:30] I'm excited to speak to about

[2:32:31] the judicial center projects.

[2:32:31] Both the current and future

[2:32:32] expansion projects we have

[2:32:37] going on right now.

[2:32:38] You were asked to provide the

[2:32:39] presentation to provide this

[2:32:40] information to you and to the

[2:32:42] public.

[2:32:47] And so our current projects

[2:32:47] here are pictures of the

[2:32:49] projects we have completed.

[2:32:55] Since fiscal year 2018 we

[2:32:56] refurbished five of the six

[2:33:03] elevators in the sixth elevator

[2:33:04] is scheduled to be completed

[2:33:05] over the next year or in half

[2:33:06] that the republic elevators

[2:33:06] with lots of issues with

[2:33:07] reliability those have been

[2:33:10] resolved

[2:33:10] .

[2:33:11] We refurbished the judges

[2:33:16] elevator and one of the

[2:33:17] transfer elevators we also

[2:33:18] completed a renovation work of

[2:33:22] the clerk of the circuit court

[2:33:23] public counters for that

[2:33:24] project was completed around

[2:33:34] 21/22.

[2:33:35] Courtroom number seven which

[2:33:36] used to be the jury assembly

[2:33:37] room we repurposed the room

[2:33:37] into

[2:33:38] a new courtroom and that

[2:33:39] project was completed in the

[2:33:39] last 12 months.

[2:33:40] Public restrooms, we renovated

[2:33:42] in the courthouse

[2:33:46] .

[2:33:47] It has been a lot more

[2:33:50] convenient to use.

[2:33:52] Next projects is the sheriffs

[2:33:53] conference room.

[2:34:02] We enlarged it so he can now do

[2:34:03] press conferences and things of

[2:34:11] that nature.

[2:34:11] It's a real nice base.

[2:34:12] We moved of the library up to

[2:34:13] the third floor into a new

[2:34:15] renovated space

[2:34:15] .

[2:34:15] It looks nice.

[2:34:19] As part of a replacement

[2:34:21] project ongoing we replace the

[2:34:25] boilers in the facility.

[2:34:26] We have done quite a bit of

[2:34:28] projects and have a lot of

[2:34:34] things going on still.

[2:34:35] Thousands of white 18 we

[2:34:36] initiated and completed 52

[2:34:36] projects in the courthouse.

[2:34:43] Right now we have 15 ongoing

[2:34:44] projects and that totals 23.5

[2:34:45] million projects completed than

[2:34:47] 21.3 million projects in

[2:34:49] process right now.

[2:34:49] The projects in process right

[2:34:56] now include updating the av

[2:34:57] systems in the 18 courtrooms,

[2:35:02] also doing restoration in the

[2:35:02] courtrooms.

[2:35:03] Replacing generators for the

[2:35:06] building, roof replacement,

[2:35:07] carpet replacement, led

[2:35:08] lighting upgrades, constructing

[2:35:11] courtroom number seven

[2:35:11] , doing

[2:35:17] hvac system replacement.

[2:35:17] E

[2:35:18] are waiting until JANUARY

[2:35:19] before we replace the

[2:35:20] air-conditioning part of the

[2:35:25] hvac system.

[2:35:25] Next is the future expansion

[2:35:27] project.

[2:35:30] This project came about based

[2:35:33] off of the 2023 judicial center

[2:35:37] master plan we brought forward

[2:35:37] to the board.

[2:35:40] This was completed by mostly

[2:35:41] architects but they worked with

[2:35:45] the different parties in the

[2:35:46] judicial center complex.

[2:35:47] Both occupants and the

[2:35:50] different agencies that work in

[2:35:51] the facilities around the

[2:35:54] judicial center.

[2:35:55] They had found as we identified

[2:36:01] that we need 15 circuit

[2:36:01] courtrooms who can 20 years we

[2:36:03] are going to need 221,000

[2:36:04] square feet of additional space

[2:36:08] needed for all three courts and

[2:36:10] support function areas we

[2:36:12] identified the need for 950

[2:36:16] structured garage there as well

[2:36:20] completed in two phases

[2:36:20] .

[2:36:22] On the current challenges we

[2:36:24] are seeing right now

[2:36:25] ,

[2:36:31] specifically secured jury

[2:36:32] assembly room, liberation rooms

[2:36:34] easily accessible, secured

[2:36:39] restrooms and kitchenette area

[2:36:40] for them when they are in the

[2:36:41] lunch breaks to sit down in a

[2:36:41] comfortable place and have

[2:36:47] their lunch.

[2:36:47] Another big concern we had is

[2:36:48] related to his a committee of

[2:36:49] the court system in the circuit

[2:36:50] court.

[2:36:50] In the area behind the circuit

[2:36:54] court courtrooms we have a

[2:36:54] hallway.

[2:36:57] We don't have complete

[2:36:58] segregation in the prisoner

[2:36:59] transports on the judges and

[2:37:04] the jurors and so there are

[2:37:04] courtrooms we bring the

[2:37:05] prisoners up and they have to

[2:37:08] traverse in the same hallway we

[2:37:11] had jurors and judges affect

[2:37:12] our practices in place to keep

[2:37:16] the segregation, but if you

[2:37:17] make a mistake you could

[2:37:18] potentially open ourselves up

[2:37:19] to a pretty serious issue

[2:37:19] .

[2:37:20] That's a big concern we are

[2:37:23] working on developing a

[2:37:24] resolution to was in the new

[2:37:28] design of the new courthouse.

[2:37:29] Want to share renderings of

[2:37:35] what potentially the courthouse

[2:37:36] could look like.

[2:37:36] It MAY look like this, it MAY

[2:37:37] look completely different.

[2:37:38] To stop talk with my hands.

[2:37:43] MAY look like this, and MAY

[2:37:43] not.

[2:37:45] We wanted to give you an idea

[2:37:46] of what it could potentially

[2:37:47] look like in the space in front

[2:37:50] of the courthouse that's a

[2:37:52] front look at the potential

[2:37:54] courthouse and that is the side

[2:37:58] view of that courthouse this

[2:38:02] slide shows you where we are

[2:38:03] planning on putting the

[2:38:03] judicial center expansion

[2:38:06] project.

[2:38:07] As you can see up top of the

[2:38:09] new parking garage which is

[2:38:10] across the road from the adult

[2:38:16] detention center adjacent to

[2:38:17] the manassas senior center and

[2:38:17] we had the judicial center

[2:38:19] expansion area which is

[2:38:22] essentially next door to the

[2:38:26] adc and judicial center.

[2:38:27] But you will notice that is

[2:38:28] located where the bennett

[2:38:31] school currently resides.

[2:38:32] And so I want to give you an

[2:38:35] overview about the bennett

[2:38:35] school.

[2:38:36] It is uncharted for the past 40

[2:38:36] years.

[2:38:37] See the picture on the top

[2:38:40] right bottom right?

[2:38:41] That is what it look like for

[2:38:46] the last four years.

[2:38:46] We know the inside of the

[2:38:47] building the work has been done

[2:38:47] on it.

[2:38:52] We are concerned that comes to

[2:38:52] integrity is in question.

[2:38:53] I'm not comfortable sending my

[2:38:54] stuff inside the building to do

[2:38:56] any work

[2:38:56] .

[2:38:57] We don't know what we are going

[2:38:57] to find inside there.

[2:39:03] We are pretty sure it contains

[2:39:04] asbestos, lead, mold, water

[2:39:05] damage and terminates.

[2:39:09] In 2019 we had done a report or

[2:39:11] an assessment on it looking at

[2:39:12] it to use it for a share space

[2:39:13] and those are some of the

[2:39:15] findings that study it came up

[2:39:22] with.

[2:39:23] It's not currently listed in

[2:39:24] the fridge and landmarks

[2:39:25] adjuster, it's not listed in

[2:39:26] the national register of

[2:39:26] historic places.

[2:39:27] T is listed

[2:39:27] on the historical marker

[2:39:31] database and it is a historic

[2:39:32] site by the prince william

[2:39:36] county department of parks and

[2:39:37] recreation under the historic

[2:39:39] preservation division.

[2:39:43] Student it's age before we take

[2:39:44] the building down we have to

[2:39:45] get permission from the

[2:39:49] virginia department of historic

[2:39:49] resources.

[2:39:50] We had to get the

[2:39:51] approval before we move to

[2:39:58] raise the building.

[2:39:59] We have to do it at minimum we

[2:39:59] would have to do more is a

[2:40:01] level I archaeological survey

[2:40:01] and we would have to deal with

[2:40:03] whatever findings MAY come up

[2:40:07] as a result of the survey.

[2:40:10] This building dates back to

[2:40:14] 1909 and it was last used as a

[2:40:14] school in 1969.

[2:40:19] After that it was used either

[2:40:20] with the sheriff's office or

[2:40:20] the police department.

[2:40:21] We got conflicting information

[2:40:23] about that.

[2:40:23] Has not been used 4 at least

[2:40:30] last 40 years.

[2:40:31] We did look at how can we

[2:40:31] potentially incorporate the

[2:40:32] bennett school into the

[2:40:34] expansion project

[2:40:40] .

[2:40:41] We did have a company come and

[2:40:42] that did a rough order of

[2:40:43] magnitude estimate renovating

[2:40:48] existing bennett school and the

[2:40:48] neighbor they gave us was

[2:40:52] 37,500,000.

[2:40:53] We anticipate we would need to

[2:40:55] budget a large contingency.

[2:40:56] we don't know what we don't

[2:41:01] know and we can kinda guarantee

[2:41:02] we are going to run into stuff

[2:41:03] we are unanticipated.

[2:41:08] Totally speaking, we think a

[2:41:10] budget of 46,875,000 is what we

[2:41:14] are looking at.

[2:41:15] Until we got in there and

[2:41:15] started

[2:41:16] assessing things.

[2:41:18] It is going to be if we're

[2:41:25] going to try to renovate that

[2:41:26] facility and if we try to

[2:41:27] renovate we would have to try

[2:41:28] to connect it to the new

[2:41:30] facility on that would create

[2:41:31] more variables we have to solve

[2:41:32] and I don't know if our current

[2:41:37] estimate factors that in.

[2:41:38] We have been asked what it

[2:41:39] would cost and what it would

[2:41:39] take to move the facility.

[2:41:42] In 2023 we had done preliminary

[2:41:45] research and it was 2.5 million

[2:41:47] to pick up the building and

[2:41:47] move it.

[2:41:59] With that doesn't include is

[2:42:00] it's on the rubble foundation

[2:42:01] preventive pick it up and drop

[2:42:02] it somewhere you've to build a

[2:42:02] new

[2:42:03] foundation to put that on.

[2:42:04] That is another additional $5

[2:42:05] million we anticipate we dock

[2:42:05] to spend.

[2:42:06] You have to figure out where

[2:42:07] you put it, if the hook

[2:42:08] utilities up to it and get it

[2:42:09] in service

[2:42:09] .

[2:42:10] I don't know if we want to move

[2:42:10] it.

[2:42:17] We wouldn't want to move

[2:42:17] it and drop it somewhere else

[2:42:18] and let it sit for more time

[2:42:19] but we would have to make a

[2:42:20] commitment at the time to do

[2:42:24] the work.

[2:42:25] Our current estimate was a

[2:42:26] rough order of magnitude which

[2:42:27] includes the contingency was

[2:42:37] 56,250,000.

[2:42:38] We want to memorialize the

[2:42:47] bennett school whatever future

[2:42:48] project we do.

[2:42:49] We reached out to dewberry and

[2:42:50] asked them if they can provide

[2:42:50] us ideas on what potentially

[2:42:51] could do.

[2:42:52] We've not made any decisions at

[2:42:54] this point but there are ways

[2:42:55] to try to memorialize the

[2:42:55] bennett school and some if that

[2:43:02] is repurposed thing the salvage

[2:43:03] materials.

[2:43:04] Mother it is taken the front

[2:43:05] columns and somewhere in the

[2:43:10] complex developing it shows the

[2:43:11] colors in the bennett school

[2:43:13] with the informational market.

[2:43:13] Talks about with the bennett

[2:43:22] school is in the area.

[2:43:22] We can take that reservist

[2:43:23] materials and incorporate

[2:43:23] them

[2:43:26] until the new facility.. We

[2:43:30] can take the foundation and

[2:43:31] incorporate that into the

[2:43:32] building as well.

[2:43:32] .

[2:43:33] In the bottom right we see an

[2:43:39] outline.

[2:43:39] We create outline where the

[2:43:42] bennett school was sent a note

[2:43:42] that having different color

[2:43:49] floor to denote this is where

[2:43:50] the bennett school sat and then

[2:43:50] create informational panel of

[2:43:54] sorts to explain the history

[2:43:55] and have that available to the

[2:44:02] public can see that.

[2:44:03] Information about the actual

[2:44:05] expansion project

[2:44:05] .

[2:44:06] And construction of a five

[2:44:08] level building.

[2:44:09] One underground and four levels

[2:44:12] above ground.

[2:44:12] The facility would be dedicated

[2:44:18] to the circuit court that would

[2:44:19] include the circuit court

[2:44:21] clerks operations as well.

[2:44:22] We anticipate they would have

[2:44:25] 12 courtrooms which meets the

[2:44:25] expectations of the circuit

[2:44:28] court judge is.

[2:44:30] We were designed to lead old

[2:44:33] standards we would incorporate

[2:44:38] practices like solar arrays,

[2:44:39] led lighting whatever we need

[2:44:42] to put in their to get

[2:44:42] qualifications for legal

[2:44:47] standards.

[2:44:48] One of the way, it's most

[2:44:52] efficient use of the site.

[2:44:53] Expend in the future possibly

[2:44:53] on the 20 year mark.

[2:44:58] We can add additional space

[2:45:08] north, parallel with the adc.

[2:45:09] What it doesn't do is the

[2:45:10] existing courthouse is not

[2:45:10] renovated and that would be

[2:45:11] something we would have to come

[2:45:12] back and develop a cap project

[2:45:17] in the future to renovate the

[2:45:18] existing courthouse after

[2:45:19] circuit court in the clerk move

[2:45:19] out there use the space more

[2:45:21] effectively for the growth of

[2:45:22] other functions in the

[2:45:27] courthouse.

[2:45:28] We projected the timeline with

[2:45:32] the different things we would

[2:45:32] have to do.

[2:45:34] It is about six years.

[2:45:37] Let is the worst case scenario.

[2:45:37] Will try to beat it but that is

[2:45:40] where we are at.

[2:45:40] I do want to give you a number

[2:45:46] that is not realistic.

[2:45:52] A rough estimate of cost, 4.8

[2:45:53] million to demo 43.5 million to

[2:45:54] do the parking structure in the

[2:45:59] 151.7 million for the judicial

[2:45:59] center.

[2:46:03] The parking structure, the

[2:46:04] process would be done sooner.

[2:46:04] It would be going up sooner

[2:46:06] than expansion project so that

[2:46:12] would to be a good thing that

[2:46:13] is the cost of nuts in the $200

[2:46:13] million budget we have right

[2:46:20] now.

[2:46:20] When to give you a potential

[2:46:21] layout.

[2:46:23] This is an set in stone but to

[2:46:24] give you a visual of what we

[2:46:25] could have

[2:46:25] .

[2:46:32] There is separation between the

[2:46:33] different functions.

[2:46:34] You notice the public is

[2:46:35] separated from the prisoner

[2:46:36] transport and separated from

[2:46:41] the jurors and the judges.

[2:46:42] Need judges and jurors are

[2:46:43] separated from the prisoner

[2:46:47] movement in the facility.

[2:46:48] The orange spaces where the

[2:46:49] prisoners would come up from

[2:46:51] the basement and they would be

[2:46:54] brought into the courtrooms for

[2:46:55] their cases where there's not

[2:46:58] any worry about what we have.

[2:46:59] It's fine the current circuit

[2:47:03] court courtrooms.

[2:47:06] This would be on levels two,

[2:47:11] three and four pick you notice

[2:47:12] that they have judged chambers

[2:47:14] in space for jury deliberation.

[2:47:14] They will also areas for

[2:47:17] support staff to support those

[2:47:21] operations.

[2:47:24] The first level is where we

[2:47:29] have the clerks office.

[2:47:30] The performing on the marriage

[2:47:31] licenses, probate

[2:47:32] and will,

[2:47:37] civil motions, processes they

[2:47:43] manage on the third floor the

[2:47:44] circuit court building.

[2:47:48] With space for jury assembly.

[2:47:49] For point of reference you see

[2:47:50] where we have the outline of

[2:47:52] where the bennett school would

[2:47:53] exist if we dropped the

[2:47:57] building right on top of it.

[2:48:00] And then this is the lower

[2:48:02] level of the facility and you

[2:48:08] can see the orange pathway.

[2:48:08] you can see it is connected to

[2:48:09] the adc that develops into the

[2:48:17] courthouse and holding areas

[2:48:18] that can be directly taken

[2:48:19] upstairs via elevator not have

[2:48:21] to have any interaction with

[2:48:22] anyone other than the sheriff's

[2:48:26] office. We see in the basement

[2:48:27] being an area for historical

[2:48:28] archives, land

[2:48:28] records, law

[2:48:29] library.

[2:48:30] We know we will need

[2:48:30] maintenance space

[2:48:37] .

[2:48:47] When we go further into design

[2:48:47] we get more detail as to what

[2:48:48] the different things would be.

[2:48:49] This is to give you an idea of

[2:48:52] what they could potentially be.

[2:48:53] I talked about the potential

[2:48:58] for expansion.

[2:48:59] As you can see here we have the

[2:49:00] potential to add additional

[2:49:06] floors which would to be too

[2:49:07] court room set up similar to

[2:49:08] the courtrooms on the original

[2:49:08] building.

[2:49:09] We have the same set up for two

[2:49:19] courtrooms per floor.

[2:49:20] We could add 2 to 3 levels

[2:49:21] before we start running into

[2:49:22] the height restrictions we have

[2:49:26] on that property.

[2:49:27] So our next upside this week we

[2:49:27] are going to begin the process

[2:49:31] with the state on the bennett

[2:49:31] school.

[2:49:32] We will design process on

[2:49:33] expansion of the building.

[2:49:43] We made good progress doing the

[2:49:44] programming discussions and now

[2:49:45] it's time to get into the

[2:49:47] details of the design and we

[2:49:47] start working on that and we

[2:49:48] will continue the design

[2:49:48] process for the parking

[2:49:49] structure.

[2:49:49] With that I would be happy to

[2:49:54] take any questions.

[2:49:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:49:59] thank you so much.

[2:49:59] Supervisor gordy.

[2:50:00] > Tom Gordy: thank you for

[2:50:04] the presentation.

[2:50:05] There was one little thing I

[2:50:07] saw it right there.

[2:50:09] The orange dot under the

[2:50:15] central holding

[2:50:16] .

[2:50:17] This book that is the elevator.

[2:50:17] >> Tom Gordy: how do I get to

[2:50:18] it?

[2:50:23] >> the central area would be

[2:50:24] cells we have them down there

[2:50:24] and they would bring them there

[2:50:25] and they would escort them or

[2:50:26] take them down the hallway to

[2:50:30] the other elevator.

[2:50:31] >> you mention the clerks

[2:50:33] office

[2:50:34] .

[2:50:37] I know there bennett bought a

[2:50:39] discussions going between the

[2:50:42] judges on the clerks office.

[2:50:43] To what extent is the clerks

[2:50:45] office

[2:50:46] .

[2:50:47] I know there been discussions

[2:50:48] on who is in control of what

[2:50:54] but my understanding is the

[2:50:54] judges control the court

[2:50:55] sunrooms but not the clerks

[2:50:55] office.

[2:50:56] I want to make sure as a

[2:51:02] relates to who has got what

[2:51:02] authorities over what areas of

[2:51:05] the judicial center.

[2:51:08] >> MS. Roble: the county owns

[2:51:08] it.

[2:51:15] Those areas necessary for

[2:51:16] the use and occupancy are under

[2:51:17] the authority of the circuit

[2:51:21] court.

[2:51:22] The board is required to

[2:51:22] provide office space to the

[2:51:25] clerk with the fire prefer the

[2:51:29] files in the space is acquired

[2:51:29] deadbeat in or

[2:51:30] outside the

[2:51:38] courthouse.

[2:51:39] >> Tom Gordy: thank you MADAM

[2:51:43] Attorney.

[2:51:44] You and I talked about this

[2:51:47] .

[2:51:48] I have given my opinion on how

[2:51:51] it relates to the bennett

[2:51:52] school.

[2:51:52] I don't think it's worth the

[2:51:55] investment to save it,

[2:51:58] maximizing the stone the

[2:52:04] bennett school is made out of

[2:52:04] its unique to the area and

[2:52:09] unique to that part of manassas

[2:52:10] with the red colored stone so

[2:52:11] finding a way to incorporate

[2:52:13] that into whether it's the

[2:52:15] promenade or outside or even

[2:52:19] like markers like you said.

[2:52:21] I appreciate the effort you are

[2:52:23] taking to memorialize the

[2:52:24] building but I don't see the

[2:52:27] value in trying to save a

[2:52:32] building that even when we are

[2:52:33] done saving it we aren't sure

[2:52:37] how we are going to use it.

[2:52:38] When we really need the space

[2:52:38] to expand our judicial center.

[2:52:39] On the only other thing.

[2:52:43] You mentioned you were going to

[2:52:52] move on the parking structures

[2:52:52] with

[2:52:53] doesn't just look like a

[2:52:53] parking garage.

[2:53:00] This is for all intents and

[2:53:01] purposes downtown manassas but

[2:53:05] it is surrounded by residential

[2:53:06] and it is right next to the

[2:53:07] courthouse.

[2:53:08] Something that has a fac

[2:53:09] de on

[2:53:09] it that looks really good.

[2:53:10] We look forward to seeing what

[2:53:11] you guys are able to come up

[2:53:15] with.

[2:53:15] That's all I have.

[2:53:16] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:53:17] all right.

[2:53:17] Before.

[2:53:17] Apologize I want to

[2:53:20] recognize look smith we have

[2:53:20] you with us today.

[2:53:21] With that I will turn it to

[2:53:25] supervisor bailey.

[2:53:25] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[2:53:27] here I am there.

[2:53:32] Thanks for the presentation.

[2:53:33] The more we see it the more we

[2:53:37] understand it.

[2:53:38] I have two things.

[2:53:38] In prince william county

[2:53:40] manassas city we are dealing

[2:53:40] with old infrastructure.

[2:53:43] In

[2:53:44] the bennett building is an

[2:53:49] example of that.

[2:53:50] I agree with my colleague about

[2:53:51] when you talk about investing

[2:53:51] money, 46 million is a loft of

[2:53:57] money.

[2:53:57] 56.

[2:53:57] Excuse me.

[2:53:58] That is still more than a lot

[2:54:02] of money.

[2:54:05] As we talk about preservation

[2:54:09] of the old and incorporating

[2:54:11] that in the new I encourage you

[2:54:13] to think about it that way as

[2:54:15] we get grants

[2:54:15] .

[2:54:18] Similarly what they did with

[2:54:20] the museum and manassas city

[2:54:23] .

[2:54:23] But the thing I wanted to ask

[2:54:31] is going back to something

[2:54:32] supervisor gordy mentioned

[2:54:36] about the collaborative input

[2:54:37] between the clerks office and

[2:54:38] judicial system and the

[2:54:39] explanation our county attorney

[2:54:40] gave us

[2:54:41] .

[2:54:46] As we move along with this

[2:54:47] ,

[2:54:48] that is incorporating or has

[2:54:53] been incorporated.

[2:54:53] >> part of the design process

[2:54:54] is we bring in the customer and

[2:54:58] they participate in the process

[2:54:59] and identify what their needs

[2:55:01] are and they identify how the

[2:55:05] business they run rents

[2:55:08] effectively in the space.

[2:55:08] I don't run the circuit court

[2:55:19] so I need their input.

[2:55:19] Hey

[2:55:20] work with our design team in

[2:55:21] our facilities construction

[2:55:21] management team and they

[2:55:22] incorporate their needs into

[2:55:23] the final design and they have

[2:55:28] an opportunity to provide the

[2:55:29] feedback as to whether the

[2:55:29] design would be sufficient for

[2:55:35] what their needs are.

[2:55:36] We anticipate we expect them to

[2:55:37] be part of the process for

[2:55:38] designing whatever facility

[2:55:43] week instruct.

[2:55:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[2:55:46] do we have to do any additional

[2:55:49] digitizing documents and things

[2:55:54] like that as we are building?

[2:55:55] >> there MAY or MAY not be.

[2:55:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[2:55:58] but that doesn't involve this.

[2:56:00] In terms of cost.

[2:56:03] >> we have done a loft of work

[2:56:04] with the clerks recently

[2:56:06] .

[2:56:08] And think we had pretty good

[2:56:12] success digitizing records and

[2:56:13] we have a lot of space to be

[2:56:15] repurposed.

[2:56:16] There are also legal

[2:56:18] requirements and we will be

[2:56:23] taking that into account in

[2:56:24] taking into account what we

[2:56:25] design.

[2:56:27] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[2:56:28] mentioned that because it has

[2:56:33] to be.

[2:56:36] I do appreciate the hard work

[2:56:37] as it relates to the judicial

[2:56:42] center because it hasn't been

[2:56:48] done in a long time.

[2:56:49] The security piece as well.

[2:56:51] When I talk about elevators, is

[2:56:52] that incorporated the security

[2:56:54] piece in that?

[2:56:57] what does that look like?

[2:57:01] >> the whole building will have

[2:57:03] access control

[2:57:06] , video

[2:57:06] recording, lots of different

[2:57:14] things the sheriff's office

[2:57:15] needs.

[2:57:16] My team, the security team will

[2:57:16] be part of the design process

[2:57:17] to make sure we have the right

[2:57:22] infrastructure into the

[2:57:23] facility so it meets the

[2:57:24] expectations of the sheriff's

[2:57:28] office for what they need to do

[2:57:29] .

[2:57:30] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[2:57:30] thank you.

[2:57:31] Thank you MADAM Chair.

[2:57:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[2:57:33] thank you supervisor.

[2:57:38] Supervisor boddye.

[2:57:38] >> Kenny Boddye: I appreciate.

[2:57:39] I know we talked about it last

[2:57:40] time you thought of designing

[2:57:41] this in a way that can be

[2:57:41] expanded later.

[2:57:44] As we know right now it's so

[2:57:47] tight at the existing center

[2:57:48] they are taking space from

[2:57:53] other offices, one of which is

[2:57:54] in the chambers right now so I

[2:57:59] wanted to highlight that.

[2:58:00] My two questions, one.

[2:58:03] I think I MAY have asked this

[2:58:04] of the last time but is there

[2:58:06] going to be space contemplated

[2:58:07] for the public defenders

[2:58:11] office?

[2:58:11] >> that decision to my

[2:58:13] knowledge has not been made.

[2:58:13] I don't think if there is in

[2:58:18] this new building.

[2:58:19] Whether or not we make space

[2:58:20] somewhere else, that's a

[2:58:21] decision that will have to be

[2:58:25] made later.

[2:58:26] >> Kenny Boddye: I feel like I

[2:58:35] have raised that before.

[2:58:35] My second question and it goes

[2:58:36] back to what supervisor

[2:58:37] gordy

[2:58:37] said.

[2:58:38] This is a very utilitarian one

[2:58:39] there are no bells and whistles

[2:58:39] .

[2:58:40] There are also ones that have

[2:58:43] no more amenities and what have

[2:58:43] you.

[2:58:44] As you continue to go down the

[2:58:46] road of looking at that, if

[2:58:47] you're going to be a thought

[2:58:56] about the fact we different

[2:58:56] ecosystems of folks using the

[2:58:57] parking garage someone will be

[2:58:59] coming because they work in the

[2:59:00] judicial center and others will

[2:59:00] be coming because they MAY be

[2:59:06] having their day in court.

[2:59:07] We talked about the functional

[2:59:09] design and how that MAY feed

[2:59:10] into the infrastructure there?

[2:59:11] >> we focused on how the garage

[2:59:12] would work but as we get for

[2:59:16] their own we understand the

[2:59:16] city manasses does a lotta

[2:59:17] history there and is being used

[2:59:20] to support the court room.

[2:59:26] I assume in the design process

[2:59:27] we would try to weave that into

[2:59:40] the design of the exterior of

[2:59:41] the building so it blends in

[2:59:42] and it is not a utilitarian

[2:59:42] concrete building.

[2:59:43] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[2:59:43] that.

[2:59:44] Spoke also say if I can come to

[2:59:46] reiterate the point that matt

[2:59:46] made.

[2:59:47] As we engage in insurance

[2:59:47] office who escorts in some

[2:59:55] cases

[2:59:58] , the input would be there

[2:59:59] and how we might design the

[3:00:00] garage and away or make sure

[3:00:00] traffic is flowing in a way

[3:00:01] that is safe for

[3:00:02] all involved.

[3:00:03] >> Kenny Boddye: my last one

[3:00:04] goes back to what you mentioned

[3:00:06] earlier on linkedin some other

[3:00:15] things for the new building.

[3:00:15] You talk about solar, I

[3:00:16] appreciate that.

[3:00:18] Remind me, is this part in the

[3:00:18] dominion territory?

[3:00:19] >> it is in the city manasses.

[3:00:26] >> Kenny Boddye: do they have a

[3:00:26] connection fever solar?

[3:00:27] >> I don't believe they do

[3:00:28] because we will be putting

[3:00:32] solar on top of the current

[3:00:32] one.

[3:00:33] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[3:00:35] that.

[3:00:35] The significantly less cost so

[3:00:36] thank you so much.

[3:00:36] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:00:37] thank you.

[3:00:42] Supervisor vega?

[3:00:43] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

[3:00:43] Chair.

[3:00:44] Thank you for answering

[3:00:44] questions.

[3:00:45] To staff to meet with you and

[3:00:46] acknowledge the clerk of the

[3:00:51] court for candor in expressing

[3:00:53] challenges we have had.

[3:00:56] The content no surprise we care

[3:00:59] about the dollars limit on

[3:01:00] about the due 2 million needed

[3:01:04] where are we at with current

[3:01:04] investments in the existing

[3:01:09] building.

[3:01:18] >> in the current facility

[3:01:19] , to

[3:01:22] date we have spent 23.5 million

[3:01:23] on different projects and 21

[3:01:26] million we have ongoing

[3:01:27] projects when total we have

[3:01:30] about $45 million in projects

[3:01:32] completed or ongoing right now

[3:01:37] since 2018.

[3:01:38] >> Yesli Vega: that is not

[3:01:39] included in the 200 million?

[3:01:44] >> it is not.

[3:01:45] >> Yesli Vega: what is a

[3:01:46] timeline in terms of completing

[3:01:46] the outstanding work?

[3:01:50] > the one that will take the

[3:01:50] longest will be the av work

[3:01:51] because it has to be done at

[3:01:52] night and we have to shut down

[3:01:59] a courtroom at a time.

[3:02:00] We are looking another two

[3:02:01] years at least.

[3:02:02] >> Yesli Vega: and then

[3:02:03] speaking about the challenges

[3:02:04] and problematic corridors, can

[3:02:05] you go into detail how we solve

[3:02:07] the challenges in the future

[3:02:12] building when it comes to the

[3:02:13] jury assembly room?

[3:02:25] >> the jury assembly space

[3:02:26] would be segregated out on the

[3:02:35] first level of the building.

[3:02:36] The two blue scare stairs we

[3:02:37] only used by the jurors and

[3:02:37] judges

[3:02:38] .

[3:02:38] They wouldn't have to be

[3:02:39] getting into the public

[3:02:41] elevators and then they would

[3:02:43] be taken upstairs to whatever

[3:02:52] courtroom process.

[3:02:53] On the levels two, three and

[3:02:54] four, you can see where the

[3:02:56] blue space is only for jurors

[3:02:57] and judges which the orange

[3:02:59] space separated from everybody

[3:03:05] is the prisoner transport area

[3:03:06] in the green spaces segregated

[3:03:07] from the blue and orange space

[3:03:10] as well

[3:03:10] .

[3:03:11] >> Yesli Vega: is it out of

[3:03:13] convenience

[3:03:13] .

[3:03:15] This is something I don't know.

[3:03:16] This is something we want to

[3:03:21] keep the jury room -- can you

[3:03:23] go back to the other slide?

[3:03:26] The other one.

[3:03:27] Is there a reason we want to

[3:03:31] keep it next of the clerk of

[3:03:38] courts office?

[3:03:39] >> we are using levels two,

[3:03:39] three and four forgive you

[3:03:40] where to put that on another

[3:03:44] floor you are using courtroom

[3:03:45] space for cover thought

[3:03:46] processes if you have a year

[3:03:46] could pool there and then from

[3:03:52] there the circuit court clerks

[3:03:53] office would take them to

[3:03:53] whatever court they are

[3:03:58] assigned to.

[3:03:59] >> Yesli Vega: I want to avoid

[3:04:00] current issues in terms of

[3:04:01] maximizing the space and not

[3:04:01] having to go and take more and

[3:04:02] more if we are talking about

[3:04:05] growth in the coming years and

[3:04:09] highlight the fact we can do a

[3:04:10] better job in regards to how we

[3:04:14] split up space in particular

[3:04:15] with courtroom seven, which was

[3:04:16] a huge investment and how much

[3:04:17] we are utilizing it.

[3:04:18] For us to take those into

[3:04:19] consideration and learn from

[3:04:20] them and to ensure we don't

[3:04:23] keep making the same mistakes

[3:04:25] over and over again

[3:04:26] .

[3:04:30] And then the last thing I

[3:04:31] wanted to bring up is in the

[3:04:32] presentation you identified the

[3:04:33] master plan calls for 15

[3:04:37] circuit court rooms, however,

[3:04:38] there's only toby included.

[3:04:43] Is

[3:04:44] there a reason?

[3:04:44] >> the feedback they gotten was

[3:04:53] they were looking for 10 and

[3:04:54] then they told us they needed

[3:04:54] 12.

[3:04:55] >> Yesli Vega: not that I am

[3:04:56] pushing for more courtrooms.

[3:04:57] I just wanted to make sure that

[3:04:57] it wasn't a typo.

[3:04:59] I just wanted to be consistent

[3:04:59] .

[3:05:00] And then lastly MADAM Chair, we

[3:05:01] are not approving anything

[3:05:01] today.

[3:05:04] Today is just a presentation.

[3:05:05] Understand we vent challenges

[3:05:06] but this opportunity to work

[3:05:07] through those challenges and

[3:05:12] make sure we have all key

[3:05:13] stakeholders being a part of a

[3:05:14] conversation to include our

[3:05:15] constitutional officers.

[3:05:16] Thank you.

[3:05:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:05:19] supervisor stewart

[3:05:19] .

[3:05:20] >> George Stewart: thank you

[3:05:23] for your presentation.

[3:05:24] I really appreciate it.

[3:05:28] A couple of questions.

[3:05:29] I agree with the point

[3:05:30] supervisors gordy and daly

[3:05:42] brought up about just how

[3:05:42] expensive it would be too redo

[3:05:43] the school for such a tiny

[3:05:53] space.

[3:05:54] But a couple things.

[3:05:55] This archaeological study, is

[3:05:55] there a plan.

[3:05:57] Manasses is such a golden

[3:05:57] historic place.

[3:05:58] It would not surprise me if you

[3:05:59] found something there.

[3:05:59] Is there a planned is what to

[3:06:02] do what is that branch off into

[3:06:08] opening or perhaps another

[3:06:09] issue of some sort about

[3:06:15] preserving that space

[3:06:16] , working

[3:06:17] with the museum to remediate

[3:06:19] and remove things

[3:06:21] .

[3:06:21] Is there a plan around that,

[3:06:22] first of all?

[3:06:23] >> there's a process we will

[3:06:26] have to follow in accordance

[3:06:27] with I believe the state laws

[3:06:27] .

[3:06:33] And we will follow that.

[3:06:34] Current firm dewberry has a lot

[3:06:34] of experience doing these types

[3:06:37] of projects

[3:06:39] .

[3:06:40] When they come across something

[3:06:40] we will have to make decisions

[3:06:41] on what it is we've come

[3:06:44] across, how to be deal with it

[3:06:45] moving forward

[3:06:58] .

[3:06:59] until we get to that point, we

[3:07:00] don't know what it is we are

[3:07:00] going to find.

[3:07:01] If it is artifacts and things,

[3:07:02] we can look to incorporate that

[3:07:03] in the new facility as part of

[3:07:04] the displays or things

[3:07:04] memorializing the bennett

[3:07:05] school.

[3:07:06] If there is something else we

[3:07:10] follow that process

[3:07:10] .

[3:07:11] >> George Stewart: speaking of

[3:07:14] which, I like supervisor gordy

[3:07:19] idea about that

[3:07:19] .

[3:07:22] It's a touchstone bringing that

[3:07:23] forward.

[3:07:28] The other question I have.

[3:07:29] What's happening now to ensure

[3:07:37] the safety of jurors if they

[3:07:38] don't have the proper spaces

[3:07:39] for deliberation or for

[3:07:48] assembly?

[3:07:49] What is being done to keep them

[3:07:49] safe?

[3:07:51] >> the sheriff's office in the

[3:07:51] hallways the process to do

[3:07:52] their best to keep the judges

[3:07:53] over their office staff popping

[3:07:54] out in the hallways when they

[3:07:55] are transporting presidents

[3:07:56] back and forth.

[3:07:57] The provide the security for

[3:08:00] the jurors when they are moving

[3:08:02] them in mass throughout the

[3:08:07] building.

[3:08:08] There's more to it but I can

[3:08:08] provide

[3:08:12] you the details.

[3:08:12] Sheriff's office has processes

[3:08:13] in place to provide security

[3:08:17] for the jurors

[3:08:18] .

[3:08:19] >> George Stewart: thank you.

[3:08:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:08:20] all right.

[3:08:21] We don't have anyone also thank

[3:08:22] you so very much for this

[3:08:25] presentation.

[3:08:27] you don't have anything else?

[3:08:30] We are done?

[3:08:30] All the right.

[3:08:31] We are going to go to agenda

[3:08:35] item 11, supervisors time.

[3:08:39] Before we go around the dais

[3:08:40] there are three outstanding

[3:08:41] items and I would like to take

[3:08:42] the votes separately.

[3:08:45] A couple of them I think will

[3:08:52] have a significant discussion.

[3:08:53] Can I get a motion to move 11 a

[3:08:53] forward?

[3:08:54] Properly moved and seconded.

[3:08:55] Would like to call for the

[3:08:58] vote.

[3:09:01] >> supervisor angry?

[3:09:45] >> Victor Angry: aye.

[3:09:46] It is not displaying but I have

[3:09:47] the vote. Unanimous.

[3:09:47] Supervisor franklin absent from

[3:09:47] vote.

[3:09:48] > Deshundra Jefferson,

[3:09:49] Mayor: we are going to move to

[3:09:50] housing obtain ability fast

[3:09:54] track measures

[3:09:54] .

[3:09:55] Supervisor boddye, I don't know

[3:09:56] if you have anything you want

[3:10:00] to speak to?

[3:10:02] >> Kenny Boddye: I didn't know

[3:10:02] if you want me to make the

[3:10:03] motion or preamble a little

[3:10:10] bit.

[3:10:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:10:11] if you want to make the motion

[3:10:12] and we can of discussion within

[3:10:13] that because I have one

[3:10:14] question and something I would

[3:10:16] like to amend

[3:10:17] .

[3:10:18] >> Kenny Boddye: I move 11 b

[3:10:19] for approval

[3:10:23] .

[3:10:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:10:25] it has been properly moved and

[3:10:26] seconded.

[3:10:26] Discussion.

[3:10:29] I will kick it off.

[3:10:30] On the second page of going to

[3:10:31] ask for the clarification

[3:10:31] .

[3:10:35] Residential development weaver

[3:10:36] reform and any other elements

[3:10:42] in the scope of work of the

[3:10:43] ordinance update related to

[3:10:43] housing.

[3:10:44] Can you clarify what you mean

[3:10:48] by weaver reform?

[3:10:49] >> Kenny Boddye: as anyone will

[3:10:51] tell you, quite a few times now

[3:10:52] when anyone comes through for

[3:10:54] development residential they

[3:10:56] have to request a law of

[3:11:03] waivers of examples engraved on

[3:11:09] this form, some other one where

[3:11:10] whether it is a unit type,

[3:11:11] setbacks, things like that.

[3:11:17] When the zoning ordinance was

[3:11:18] updated and created speaks to

[3:11:19] an earlier time when we had

[3:11:22] much more suburban and large

[3:11:22] scale development.

[3:11:24] It doesn't speak to what we're

[3:11:26] trying to go

[3:11:27] .

[3:11:28] We are trying to have a more

[3:11:30] compact design

[3:11:30] , taller

[3:11:31] buildings that are more

[3:11:37] walkable uneven unit types

[3:11:38] .

[3:11:38] Right now a lot of folks to

[3:11:39] come and if you want things

[3:11:42] like duplexes

[3:11:43] , things we really

[3:11:43] want to go 2 to make more

[3:11:48] housing stock, and lot of the

[3:11:48] zoning districts don't allow

[3:11:49] that so people have to ask for

[3:11:54] waivers and ask for these

[3:11:54] things.

[3:11:55] We have a lot of concrete

[3:11:58] examples where supervisor gordy

[3:11:58] has done a lotta good work

[3:12:01] trying to push developers to

[3:12:02] have more unit types rather

[3:12:04] than single-family homes and

[3:12:05] townhouses but renowned the

[3:12:07] zoning ordinance doesn't speak

[3:12:12] to that.

[3:12:13] If we want have better outcomes

[3:12:14] we need to have more

[3:12:15] flexibility for this because

[3:12:16] otherwise if a developer has to

[3:12:22] request waivers over and over

[3:12:23] again for these issues it costs

[3:12:23] time, money and more

[3:12:24] negotiating ticket causes more

[3:12:29] staff time because they have to

[3:12:30] review every single waiver that

[3:12:34] comes in.

[3:12:34] If these waivers were baked

[3:12:35] into the zoning ordinance we

[3:12:36] would have better outcomes and

[3:12:38] a much wider variety of unit

[3:12:38] types.

[3:12:42] All the things we like to see

[3:12:43] as we talk about urbanizing

[3:12:50] important areas of the county.

[3:12:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:12:52] I one more thing and I might

[3:12:53] have to do a friendly

[3:12:53] amendment.

[3:12:54] Does anyone else have anything

[3:12:54] they want to say?

[3:12:55] Supervisor gordy.

[3:12:59] >> Tom Gordy: I want to add on

[3:13:00] a look at the opportunity for

[3:13:01] like accessory living units,

[3:13:04] particularly in an area where

[3:13:04] parking is not a problem.

[3:13:06] Larger lots could have a

[3:13:11] basement apartment or limit

[3:13:19] good that opportunity for

[3:13:20] affordable housing in an area.

[3:13:21] Or instance, folks who had 10

[3:13:22] acre lots or five acre lots

[3:13:23] they have an opportunity to

[3:13:29] provide rental housing.

[3:13:29] Incidentally I have a neighbor

[3:13:30] of mine who is renting a

[3:13:35] bedroom to a marine

[3:13:37] .

[3:13:37] What you were looking at some

[3:13:38] of the folks we are trying to

[3:13:39] support here who it MAY be

[3:13:44] temporary housing

[3:13:46] .

[3:13:47] I know my wife and I when we

[3:13:48] started our jobs out of college

[3:13:48] we lived in the garage

[3:13:49] apartment

[3:13:49] .

[3:13:50] That was our first home.

[3:13:50] Nd

[3:13:59] so the opportunity to move that

[3:14:00] forward to get that done will

[3:14:01] serve to help us address

[3:14:02] affordability without actually

[3:14:05] having to go have read zonings

[3:14:07] or go through these challenging

[3:14:11] applications.

[3:14:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:14:12] thank you.

[3:14:20] So my concern is removing

[3:14:21] smaller dwelling unit such as

[3:14:22] tiny homes including under

[3:14:23] certain circumstances reducing

[3:14:25] or eliminating minimum lot

[3:14:26] sizes, setbacks, and other

[3:14:30] requirements.

[3:14:31] Been trying to do reading to

[3:14:32] catch up her tiny homes have

[3:14:32] taken off but from what I

[3:14:43] understand is not the same for

[3:14:43] mobile homes.

[3:14:44] That gives me concern

[3:14:45] concerned about the long-term

[3:14:46] impact about having tiny home

[3:14:46] communities and are there

[3:14:47] better ways I creating more

[3:14:50] diverse affordable housing

[3:14:50] stock

[3:14:50] .

[3:14:54] That was something I couldn't

[3:15:00] make peace with.

[3:15:02] If you are okay, I would like

[3:15:03] to amend this and remove the

[3:15:06] first bullet point I read on

[3:15:16] the second page.

[3:15:17] >> Kenny Boddye: tiny homes and

[3:15:23] small homes like this, we have

[3:15:23] to look to see how we are able

[3:15:24] to based on what the general

[3:15:30] assembly gives us.

[3:15:31] Lonely follow-up would be be

[3:15:33] able to if we slip this out now

[3:15:34] have the possibility of

[3:15:39] considering it later

[3:15:41] .

[3:15:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:15:42] I'm open to having discussion

[3:15:43] and see what authorities the

[3:15:49] general assembly gives us.

[3:15:50] Having not enough examples I am

[3:15:54] not comfortable with this.

[3:15:55] And so you are okay with the

[3:16:05] family amendment?

[3:16:06] Supervisor bailey seconded it.

[3:16:07] Any further discussion with

[3:16:08] removing that?

[3:16:12] I don't see

[3:16:12] anything so I will call for the

[3:16:13] vote

[3:16:19] .

[3:16:20] I don't have the vote on the

[3:16:21] friendly amendment.

[3:16:22] That's

[3:16:23] what I am thinking

[3:16:29] .

[3:16:30] Okay.

[3:16:30] Supervisor boddye.

[3:16:32] >> Kenny Boddye: am not going

[3:16:38] to wax poetic too much on this.

[3:16:39] The basis of the resolution as

[3:16:40] I said before and as is in the

[3:16:44] resolution, this washington and

[3:16:45] her staff are working to bring

[3:16:46] forth a comprehensive zoning

[3:16:47] ordinance update.

[3:16:50] But we can't wait until 2027 to

[3:16:51] fix the housing crisis quickly

[3:16:54] adopted the conference and plan

[3:16:58] at the end of 2022 and we are

[3:16:59] 2.5 years beyond that and we

[3:17:00] don't have a zoning ordinance

[3:17:01] that handshakes to the things I

[3:17:03] talked about.

[3:17:10] I appreciate supervisor gordy.

[3:17:11] Then we go with read zonings,

[3:17:12] proper amendments, all these

[3:17:13] other things to do the larger

[3:17:19] projects winamp options on the

[3:17:20] table having that in law suite,

[3:17:20] having the fully functional

[3:17:22] kitchen outlawed in prince

[3:17:22] william county.

[3:17:23] Having the ability to allow

[3:17:27] folks to have slightly larger

[3:17:31] lots when they are able to put

[3:17:32] a new apartment on there to

[3:17:36] give folks more options.

[3:17:37] We have overreaching

[3:17:41] regulations created and not

[3:17:42] reflect the reality of how

[3:17:44] folks lived today.

[3:17:47] Renault one in three households

[3:17:48] in our county is cost burden

[3:17:49] term for one people spending 30

[3:17:51] percent of their income on

[3:17:52] housing

[3:17:52] .

[3:17:55] It's no wonder the first time

[3:17:59] home buyer is 40 years old in

[3:17:59] this region.

[3:18:09] On the average home price is no

[3:18:10] $600,000 personal that renters

[3:18:10] have anything better either

[3:18:11] prevent

[3:18:11] two-bedroom apartment

[3:18:12] rents $2000 a month of ending

[3:18:13] oreo trying to live.

[3:18:14] That is not sustainable.

[3:18:16] The prices is hurting our

[3:18:16] younger residents on people

[3:18:19] trying to get established and

[3:18:20] move through their lives as

[3:18:24] they work through their careers

[3:18:25] .

[3:18:25] I'm not going to talk about it

[3:18:26] too much.

[3:18:27] It's in the resolution but one

[3:18:34] is creating a framework

[3:18:34] allowing houses of worship to

[3:18:35] build affordable housing on

[3:18:36] their land.

[3:18:36] Make it easier and faster for

[3:18:37] them to go through the review

[3:18:38] process for developing

[3:18:40] accessory dwelling units

[3:18:40] policy.

[3:18:46] Number three is removing arista

[3:18:46] smaller homes.

[3:18:47] We talked about that and pulled

[3:18:48] that out.

[3:18:49] And evaluate the county owned

[3:18:49] lands

[3:18:54] .

[3:18:55] We will be looking at parkland

[3:18:56] but county owned land outside

[3:18:57] of parks to create more

[3:19:01] obtainable housing

[3:19:01] .

[3:19:02] Places like libraries and other

[3:19:08] public facilities to allow us

[3:19:09] to use the fact we use public

[3:19:09] land that developer who comes

[3:19:14] in without afterward about the

[3:19:15] land cost to establish housing

[3:19:16] which means that cost is

[3:19:17] transferred to the eventual

[3:19:18] homeowner or renter

[3:19:20] .

[3:19:25] We talked before and why we

[3:19:31] should single use lots anymore.

[3:19:32] To bring people closer to the

[3:19:33] amenities they unveil

[3:19:40] themselves on.

[3:19:41] These were added by staff to

[3:19:42] empower county workforce to

[3:19:42] better do outreach, fit lots

[3:19:50] better and be able to have

[3:19:51] advanced tools for their

[3:19:51] analyses pick I will finish

[3:19:52] missing this prince william

[3:19:53] county should have a place

[3:19:54] where a nurse, schoolteacher

[3:19:55] and everyone else makes our

[3:19:56] lives better can afford to live

[3:19:59] here but this represents a

[3:20:00] meaningful step towards out and

[3:20:01] makes prince william county

[3:20:05] better for all.

[3:20:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:20:06] thank you so very much.

[3:20:13] We can take our vote.

[3:20:17] That is what I am saying.

[3:20:22] I thought you were cleared out.

[3:20:23] >> George Stewart: this is

[3:20:24] directing staff to compile the

[3:20:26] ordinance and bring it back to

[3:20:27] us

[3:20:27] .

[3:20:33] Is there a way to do it

[3:20:34] comprehensively as one whole

[3:20:38] thing instead?

[3:20:43] >> Kenny Boddye: yes unknown.

[3:20:44] When this is happening as the

[3:20:48] zoning ordinance update

[3:20:48] corporate housing but

[3:20:49] commercial

[3:20:49] spaces, mixed-use and

[3:20:53] a bunch of other things.

[3:20:54] It peels out the things that

[3:20:54] pertain to housing and brings

[3:20:59] back all those comprehensively

[3:21:00] for us that's why one of the

[3:21:01] other bullets says anything

[3:21:02] that deals with housing all the

[3:21:06] housing stuff would come

[3:21:07] pensively but it comes before

[3:21:11] the commercial and non-piece

[3:21:14] of the update.

[3:21:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:21:17] I apologize.

[3:21:18] All right.

[3:21:26] Let's go ahead if there's

[3:21:27] nothing else.

[3:21:28] No one else?

[3:21:28] Kay.

[3:21:28] Let's vote.

[3:21:47] That was a yes.

[3:21:50] >> motion passes unanimously.

[3:21:52] Supervisor franklin and vega

[3:22:03] absent from vote.

[3:22:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:22:05] we are moving to 11 c and let

[3:22:05] us dissolve the prince william

[3:22:06] county arts council put forth.

[3:22:07] I don't know if you have

[3:22:07] anything to say.

[3:22:08] Because you don't sound so

[3:22:18] good.

[3:22:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:22:20] I have a lot of questions but

[3:22:21] seeing as you are not here and

[3:22:24] feeling well I have a lot of

[3:22:25] reservations about this because

[3:22:26] there are too many questions

[3:22:26] for me.

[3:22:27] Who is going to lead this

[3:22:32] nonprofit.

[3:22:33] Why hasn't it been up and

[3:22:33] running.

[3:22:34] Why not working with existing

[3:22:39] groups.

[3:22:40] What would be the roll and

[3:22:41] hearing from members of the

[3:22:42] arts council they had a lot of

[3:22:42] concerns.

[3:22:43] They don't feel they had a

[3:22:48] proper head's up in discussion.

[3:22:49] And so for those reasons I will

[3:22:50] be voting against this,

[3:22:56] however, I would like to go

[3:22:56] ahead.

[3:22:57] I don't know if you would like

[3:22:59] to do the motion, victor?

[3:22:59] Is there a second?

[3:23:08] Move it and seconded.

[3:23:09] Will give the second two

[3:23:10] supervisor bailey.

[3:23:11] Any further discussion on this?

[3:23:22] Go on.

[3:23:23] >> Tom Gordy: I appreciate

[3:23:24] everyone who came out to speak

[3:23:24] and I had phone calls from

[3:23:28] concerned constituents.

[3:23:32] The best I can tell, we have

[3:23:34] some personality conflicts and

[3:23:35] that seems to be what is

[3:23:41] driving the challenges related

[3:23:47] to the arts council.

[3:23:50] I believe in reconciliation.

[3:23:51] I believe people need to come

[3:23:53] together and work out their

[3:23:57] differences.

[3:23:58] Regardless of what we do here

[3:24:02] today, that still needs to

[3:24:04] happen.

[3:24:07] No matter what we do next, the

[3:24:08] problem is still going to be

[3:24:14] there.

[3:24:15] The one challenge I have

[3:24:19] someone who runs a nonprofit in

[3:24:20] my civilian job I know how much

[3:24:22] it takes to get a nonprofit up

[3:24:25] and running.

[3:24:31] You have to go intimate the

[3:24:33] paperwork and get approved and

[3:24:33] that would take six months in

[3:24:34] and of itself.

[3:24:34] We could be talking about the

[3:24:35] year before nonprofit could

[3:24:38] even be established in order to

[3:24:40] provide the continuity of what

[3:24:41] we are talking about here.

[3:24:45] I

[3:24:47] know the motion is on the floor

[3:24:48] .

[3:24:49] Given the fact supervisor angry

[3:24:55] is not here and wish he was and

[3:24:58] he was able to speak.

[3:24:59] I'm really praying for you.

[3:25:00] That sounds really bad what

[3:25:03] you're dealing with.

[3:25:04] Maybe we could do for this to

[3:25:05] JANUARY

[3:25:08] .

[3:25:10] From what I am hearing on the

[3:25:14] resolutions calling for a

[3:25:14] nonprofit to be established

[3:25:16] outside the county purview, but

[3:25:29] I'm here in the potential of an

[3:25:29] arts commission being

[3:25:30] established by the county.

[3:25:30] And I would like to get clarity

[3:25:31] what the next steps are on the

[3:25:32] direction we are going to go

[3:25:33] and if we are going to move

[3:25:34] from one to the next I think

[3:25:34] there needs to be a seamless

[3:25:35] transition rather than a gap in

[3:25:36] order for us to maintain the

[3:25:39] continuity

[3:25:39] , and in the meantime

[3:25:41] hopefully we can find out the

[3:25:42] basis of these relational

[3:25:45] conflict and seek to get that

[3:25:51] resolved so that whatever

[3:25:52] happens next moves forward in

[3:25:53] unity and that's my perspective

[3:25:53] on it.

[3:26:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:26:01] supervisor angry, I know you

[3:26:01] are not well.

[3:26:02] How do you feel about deferring

[3:26:03] this until you are here for the

[3:26:04] discussion?

[3:26:08] >> Victor Angry: okay.

[3:26:12] This is hard to talk.

[3:26:17] Can I send an email to someone?

[3:26:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:26:19] for the record I did get a text

[3:26:27] from supervisor angry and he

[3:26:28] says it's pointless to defer.

[3:26:28] S that how you feel?

[3:26:29] Because we can continue the

[3:26:31] discussion.

[3:26:32] >> Victor Angry: is that how I

[3:26:32] feel?

[3:26:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:26:38] you do not want to differ?

[3:26:39] >> Victor Angry: no.

[3:26:40] > Deshundra Jefferson,

[3:26:40] Mayor: I'm going to continue

[3:26:41] on.

[3:26:47] Supervisor vega?

[3:26:48] >> Yesli Vega: supervisor angry

[3:26:49] is here.

[3:26:49] He is not here physically but

[3:26:50] he is here and I think his

[3:26:51] intent has been made clear.

[3:26:52] It's not the first time we

[3:26:52] heard

[3:26:52] about this.

[3:26:53] That's why we will make a

[3:26:54] decision here today.

[3:26:55] Let's address the elephant in

[3:26:56] the room.

[3:26:56] I understand what you are

[3:26:57] saying.

[3:27:00] I just don't think we are at a

[3:27:01] point where we are going to fix

[3:27:04] the problems that have been

[3:27:05] going on for a long time but

[3:27:07] you've seen the emails

[3:27:08] , some

[3:27:09] very nasty personal attacks

[3:27:09] have flown back and forth.

[3:27:15] The reality is and is not the

[3:27:16] boards job or his department

[3:27:20] job to babysit this counsel.

[3:27:21] I believe the next course of

[3:27:22] action imprudent one would be

[3:27:24] too establish a nonprofit so

[3:27:29] they can go ahead and manage

[3:27:30] things in a much more efficient

[3:27:30] way.

[3:27:31] O for that reason I'm

[3:27:32] going to be supporting this

[3:27:34] initiative.

[3:27:39] I do hope and I believe this

[3:27:40] nonprofit will be started up

[3:27:40] fairly quickly because we heard

[3:27:41] from a lot of passionate folks

[3:27:42] who are passionate about the

[3:27:43] arts and I know they won't let

[3:27:51] this initiative fall through

[3:27:52] the cracks so I call for the

[3:27:52] vote.

[3:27:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:27:54] I have two other people.

[3:27:54] Supervisor bailey?

[3:27:55] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[3:27:59] thank you MADAM Chair.

[3:28:06] I agree with supervisor vega.

[3:28:07] Think because of how strong and

[3:28:08] dedicated folks are to the

[3:28:11] passion of arts, they will

[3:28:12] continue to make sure that the

[3:28:13] community gets the benefit of

[3:28:14] that.

[3:28:15] I think we are at a point where

[3:28:17] make it decision.

[3:28:23] I brought this forward and it

[3:28:24] was somewhat of a surprise to

[3:28:26] most of my colleagues, but I

[3:28:27] brought this forward where we

[3:28:29] are discussing this today.

[3:28:31] I think we need to move

[3:28:34] forward, start on over them in

[3:28:35] some senses.

[3:28:37] We do need to have the tough

[3:28:44] discussions we need to move

[3:28:45] forward so we can serve the

[3:28:45] community.

[3:28:47] I will be supporting this

[3:28:47] .

[3:28:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:28:49] supervisor stewart?

[3:28:53] >> George Stewart: I had a

[3:28:56] friend who was very upset

[3:28:56] living in new york.

[3:29:06] I think

[3:29:07] she wanted to move to phoenix

[3:29:08] and she goes new york is done

[3:29:09] with me I'm going to move to

[3:29:10] phoenix and I said guess who is

[3:29:10] going to be waiting for you at

[3:29:11] baggage claim.

[3:29:11] You.

[3:29:15] We bring our problems with us.

[3:29:16] If there is a personality

[3:29:21] conflict

[3:29:21] , the new folks are

[3:29:22] going to bring it to the new

[3:29:28] location.

[3:29:29] I agree with the supervisor

[3:29:32] gordy on it.

[3:29:33] This might be an opportunity

[3:29:34] where if you do differ it

[3:29:39] , and

[3:29:40] gives them time to get their

[3:29:41] stuff in one sock and work it

[3:29:46] out.

[3:29:47] I would like to give them the

[3:29:48] opportunity to go ahead and do

[3:29:51] that.

[3:29:53] There's a law that passion.

[3:29:55] I've been playing music since I

[3:29:55] was eight years old.

[3:29:59] Clarinet in the saxophone.

[3:30:04] I still played today.

[3:30:05] I just realized that's 50

[3:30:09] years.

[3:30:15] Anyway, I think we should give

[3:30:17] it a month.

[3:30:18] If we are going to call for the

[3:30:21] vote, we are going to call for

[3:30:22] the vote.

[3:30:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:30:26] supervisor boddye I am of two

[3:30:29] minds on this because I bridget

[3:30:31] the folks who came to speak

[3:30:33] today and I understand all this

[3:30:38] was a surprise to them how this

[3:30:41] was put on the agenda.

[3:30:42] At the same time, these issues

[3:30:45] are not new.

[3:30:46] Even before the emails we

[3:30:47] received over the last two or

[3:30:51] three months, we know there has

[3:30:54] been a lot of tension festering

[3:30:55] there has been a lot of issues

[3:30:56] around the folks that have been

[3:31:00] a part of this

[3:31:00] .

[3:31:01] I do not want to diminish the

[3:31:02] work that counsel has done.

[3:31:03] They have done a lot of great

[3:31:07] work since the beginning

[3:31:07] .

[3:31:08] The progress mentioned in the

[3:31:11] resolution put to a nonprofit

[3:31:11] are proof in the pudding they

[3:31:15] do good work and there's

[3:31:19] obviously a place for arts and

[3:31:20] we promote the arts in the

[3:31:20] county.

[3:31:21] T the same time I am

[3:31:25] always one to look for other

[3:31:28] other folks doing this work you

[3:31:29] could connect with.

[3:31:30] The prince william arts

[3:31:33] society.

[3:31:34] I don't know if anyone reached

[3:31:39] out to them to see if someone

[3:31:40] wanted to continue this from

[3:31:41] the arts council would join up

[3:31:43] with art society that is a

[3:31:43] pre-existing group.

[3:31:48] There

[3:31:48] might be some

[3:31:48] there that there

[3:31:49] is a going to be a huge span of

[3:31:50] time.

[3:31:51] They can approach an

[3:31:55] existing one.

[3:31:56] Worked in partnership with arts

[3:31:59] council

[3:32:00] .

[3:32:01] I don't think I will be

[3:32:02] speaking to much when I say

[3:32:04] they would be staff support

[3:32:05] should they have the next

[3:32:06] endeavor, especially if they go

[3:32:07] to the art society and find

[3:32:10] partnership with them.

[3:32:12] Emerge all the time when they

[3:32:14] find the missions are aligned.

[3:32:21] The good of economies of scale

[3:32:21] and connecting with an existing

[3:32:22] group linked art society MAY

[3:32:23] allow there to be a stabilized

[3:32:25] first the other folks are not a

[3:32:32] part of the trauma.

[3:32:33] , we will be supporting the

[3:32:37] solution know I won't one to

[3:32:38] diminish the work being done, I

[3:32:39] don't want to diminish the work

[3:32:40] that has been done by my

[3:32:40] appointee and I hope we

[3:32:41] continue to support the arts

[3:32:45] council as they look at their

[3:32:45] next chapter.

[3:32:46] Hank you MADAM

[3:32:53] Chair.

[3:32:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:32:55] hold on.

[3:32:56] Supervisor gordy, did you have

[3:32:56] something else he wanted to

[3:32:57] add?

[3:33:00] >> Tom Gordy: to clarify, begin

[3:33:01] I'm still confused on whether

[3:33:02] the next move according to the

[3:33:02] resolution says nonprofit but I

[3:33:05] am hearing the potential for a

[3:33:06] commission as a directive, next

[3:33:09] month.

[3:33:10] Can I get clarity

[3:33:18] ?

[3:33:19] This has been fed to me today

[3:33:20] and I want to make sure what

[3:33:23] the next steps are and what the

[3:33:25] plan is.

[3:33:26] Or not there'd be commission

[3:33:30] directive put forward when we

[3:33:35] meet again next year.

[3:33:44] >> MR. Shorter: there is a

[3:33:45] parks commission currently.

[3:33:46] My understanding and I can have

[3:33:46] seth come down, is that the

[3:33:49] languages encouraging groups to

[3:33:50] set up a nonprofit or any kind

[3:33:52] of private organization.

[3:34:01] We are not saying any component

[3:34:02] of the arts council, the arts

[3:34:03] council itself or any

[3:34:07] individual that MAY be

[3:34:08] participating has to go out and

[3:34:12] create a nonprofit in order for

[3:34:12] grants programs or special

[3:34:14] events to content you.

[3:34:15] We will continue the special

[3:34:15] events.

[3:34:17] We will work with a

[3:34:20] partner whether it was

[3:34:24] competitively or not.

[3:34:27] The arts grants

[3:34:28] , the program

[3:34:32] will be administered.

[3:34:36] In terms of the next steps, I

[3:34:37] don't believe the languages

[3:34:38] saying we are requiring a

[3:34:50] nonprofit be established.

[3:34:51] What we are suggesting is we

[3:34:52] were encouraging a nonprofit

[3:34:53] because it makes it easier to

[3:34:54] apply for grants, it makes it

[3:34:54] easier to work with the

[3:34:55] organization.

[3:34:57] > my colleague texted me and

[3:34:58] said his intent is to put

[3:34:58] forward a directive for a

[3:35:03] commission next year.

[3:35:07] That will fill a gap

[3:35:09] .

[3:35:13] And so based on that I will be

[3:35:21] supporting it as long as I

[3:35:21] commission is established.

[3:35:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:35:24] I do have questions and maybe

[3:35:24] supervisor angry can message

[3:35:25] me.

[3:35:26] Are we choosing sides

[3:35:28] ?

[3:35:33] Every one of the arts council,

[3:35:34] are they going to be invited to

[3:35:37] be a part of the nonprofit.

[3:35:37] Where is the select group go

[3:35:40] integrated nonprofit.

[3:35:40] Were going to have two

[3:35:44] competing nonprofits?

[3:35:44] I am worried about choosing

[3:35:48] sides and without having the

[3:35:49] information I cannot support

[3:35:54] this

[3:35:55] .

[3:35:55] There has been a lot of

[3:35:59] personality conflicts

[3:36:00] .

[3:36:01] People are not getting along.

[3:36:03] I don't understand the genesis

[3:36:03] of that.

[3:36:06] I'm sorry it has come to this,

[3:36:07] but I'm worried and I want to

[3:36:08] be on record if we are choosing

[3:36:11] sides.

[3:36:11] We will be invited to

[3:36:15] participate in this new

[3:36:16] nonprofit.

[3:36:24] That the huge concern for me.

[3:36:25] Especially since the

[3:36:26] allegations I've heard about

[3:36:27] being silenced and shot out,

[3:36:28] being a click, being

[3:36:30] discriminatory from some of the

[3:36:35] members who feel they are not

[3:36:37] welcome to be a part of this

[3:36:38] .

[3:36:38] I'm going to be cautious on

[3:36:40] this one and that is why I am

[3:36:40] voting no.

[3:36:41] Upervisor vega

[3:36:42] .

[3:36:44] >> Yesli Vega: in thinking

[3:36:47] perfectly summarized how toxic

[3:36:48] unfortunately the counsel has

[3:36:51] become become not picking

[3:36:52] anyone sign.

[3:36:52] I'm being prudent and I

[3:36:55] understand the ship of civility

[3:36:56] in the ship of coming a meeting

[3:36:57] in the middle have sailed and

[3:36:59] sailed far away when you folks

[3:37:02] emailing board members to

[3:37:07] unemployed people.

[3:37:07] Making claims that have

[3:37:10] absolutely no evidence or proof

[3:37:11] is indicative the group is not

[3:37:13] working and so here is the

[3:37:20] council serving.

[3:37:21] I had to come to the

[3:37:22] realization it is not serving

[3:37:23] the purpose for which it was

[3:37:26] created and we have to start

[3:37:27] over again and this is the best

[3:37:28] course of action regarding

[3:37:33] picking sides?

[3:37:34] I'm basing my decision off of

[3:37:35] how ineffective the counsel has

[3:37:35] become and I wouldn't want to

[3:37:36] be part of such a toxic

[3:37:37] environment.

[3:37:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:37:42] supervisor bailey

[3:37:43] .

[3:37:44] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[3:37:45] I

[3:37:45] agree.

[3:37:46] I'm not taking sides at all.

[3:37:49] This is an opportunity for us

[3:37:49] to clear the air and get the

[3:37:52] focus on the community and not

[3:37:53] on personalities and to

[3:37:55] understand creating a new

[3:37:56] mission and vision for the

[3:38:00] county to serve the county.

[3:38:00] we need to preserve the

[3:38:05] template.

[3:38:05] The county executive says we

[3:38:06] are

[3:38:07] going to continue with the

[3:38:07] programs.

[3:38:11] I think that's very important.

[3:38:13] The negative synergy created in

[3:38:16] this environment needs to be

[3:38:19] the views dissolved and we move

[3:38:22] forward with a brand-new

[3:38:22] , fresh

[3:38:25] commission we move forward with

[3:38:26] brand-new fresh vision to serve

[3:38:27] the county.

[3:38:29] I'm certainly not picking

[3:38:34] sides.

[3:38:35] As we move forward to

[3:38:36] transformative ideas and

[3:38:38] transformative talent that we

[3:38:38] move forward with

[3:38:40] transformative decisions on how

[3:38:44] we do that.

[3:38:45] Not picking sides but we need a

[3:38:46] fresh minutes moving forward

[3:38:49] to.

[3:38:50] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:38:51] supervisor stewart

[3:38:55] .

[3:38:56] >> George Stewart: I took my

[3:38:56] name.

[3:38:57] >> Deshundra

[3:38:57] Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:38:58] supervisor gordy.

[3:39:03] >> Tom Gordy: I misspoke

[3:39:03] .

[3:39:04] Supervisor angry it's not

[3:39:05] putting forward a directive for

[3:39:06] a commission.

[3:39:07] Wanted to correct the record

[3:39:10] for that.

[3:39:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:39:12] thank you so very much.

[3:39:18] Let's go ahead and take a vote.

[3:39:35] >> supervisor angry?

[3:39:35] Motion passes 5/2 supervisors

[3:39:37] gordy and chair jefferson

[3:39:41] voting no.

[3:39:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:39:46] thank you so much.

[3:39:47] we are now going to go around

[3:39:48] the horn and I will start with

[3:39:49] supervisor vega.

[3:39:50] She is not ready so I will

[3:39:56] start with supervisor gordy.

[3:39:57] >> Tom Gordy: I will make this

[3:39:57] quick.

[3:39:58] On the 11th of the pleasure of

[3:39:59] attending the parks foundation

[3:39:59] reception

[3:40:00] .

[3:40:02] We have such a great community

[3:40:07] of supporters for our parks and

[3:40:08] to see them all in one place

[3:40:08] and see

[3:40:08] the commitment and

[3:40:10] excitement, especially after

[3:40:14] the opening of the pump track

[3:40:16] has them energized looking

[3:40:17] forward to the next

[3:40:19] opportunities to support our

[3:40:21] community.

[3:40:22] And I enjoyed visiting with the

[3:40:24] misty creek community to

[3:40:28] discuss issues related to their

[3:40:32] roads and opportunities how we

[3:40:35] can address that.

[3:40:36] Yesterday and begin hanukkah.

[3:40:44] I want to wish our jewish

[3:40:45] community happy hanukkah.

[3:40:46] It started off rough with what

[3:40:46] happened

[3:40:47] in sydney and our

[3:40:48] hearts go out to all those

[3:40:48] families.

[3:40:49] Some of that did hit close to

[3:40:50] home

[3:40:50] .

[3:40:53] Some folks from this area were

[3:40:54] over there participating in

[3:40:56] sydney

[3:40:56] .

[3:41:01] They are having the menorah

[3:41:02] lighting at that out list

[3:41:06] walking gainesville.

[3:41:07] I certainly want to welcome the

[3:41:08] community in support of jewish

[3:41:09] neighbors.

[3:41:10] And then I want to wish our

[3:41:12] community a very merry

[3:41:13] christmas and happy new year

[3:41:16] happy holidays and look forward

[3:41:22] to seeing everyone again in the

[3:41:23] new year.

[3:41:24] I will say 2025 has been rough.

[3:41:25] I'm ready for it to be over

[3:41:26] with.

[3:41:28] And has been a challenging year

[3:41:32] for my family and so looking

[3:41:33] forward to a better 26.

[3:41:36] Thank you.

[3:41:41] >> Yesli Vega: of a directive

[3:41:42] you have all seen.

[3:41:42] Without objection I would like

[3:41:44] to direct the county executive

[3:41:45] to work with staff to compiling

[3:41:48] clear and complete breakdown of

[3:41:50] all county funds, services, and

[3:41:51] resources and other public

[3:41:56] education programs

[3:41:57] .

[3:41:58] This should include not only

[3:41:58] budgeted transfers or

[3:41:59] appropriations but additional

[3:42:00] money approved aside the annual

[3:42:18] budget process is only a

[3:42:19] services or resources provided

[3:42:20] to the county departments such

[3:42:20] as information technology,

[3:42:21] parks and recreation, or other

[3:42:22] shared services.

[3:42:23] They should identify the

[3:42:24] purpose of funding source for

[3:42:24] each item and specify whether

[3:42:25] it is required by state

[3:42:26] mandate, local policy, or

[3:42:26] provided at the boards

[3:42:27] discretion part county

[3:42:28] attorneys office is directed to

[3:42:29] review the regulations for

[3:42:30] legal issues on the research

[3:42:31] and work is complete the county

[3:42:32] executive should the board with

[3:42:32] his analysis and

[3:42:33] recommendations by memorandum

[3:42:34] within 60 days of the board

[3:42:34] directive.

[3:42:39] That is all I have.

[3:42:40] Merry christmas.

[3:42:40] Happy new year.

[3:42:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:42:41] supervisor boddye.

[3:42:45] >> Kenny Boddye: at supervisor

[3:42:45] increase request I'm going to

[3:42:47] start with his supervisors time

[3:42:47] .

[3:42:48] He wanted to put in his notice

[3:42:52] of intent to -- the advisory

[3:42:58] committee.

[3:42:59] I wanted to make sure you have

[3:43:00] that and he says merry

[3:43:00] christmas.

[3:43:01] Down to the occoquan time.

[3:43:05] I wanted to first thank

[3:43:06] everyone who came out to join

[3:43:10] me at the two open houses that

[3:43:10] happened on friday.

[3:43:11] Irst in

[3:43:13] the morning we went to the

[3:43:20] senior center breakfast lunch I

[3:43:21] wanted to thank supervisor

[3:43:21] franklin for her invitation to

[3:43:23] that.

[3:43:23] Was a great time.

[3:43:31] They live it up.

[3:43:31] There was a lot of festivities.

[3:43:32] I want to say thank you

[3:43:34] supervisor franklin to all the

[3:43:34] staff that helped make that

[3:43:35] event a success every year.

[3:43:35] N

[3:43:39] the evening my staff and other

[3:43:40] folks went to the gainesville

[3:43:41] district open house.

[3:43:43] Wanted to say supervisor

[3:43:45] stewart and his staff do not

[3:43:45] play when it comes into

[3:43:47] throwing a great party.

[3:43:55] They spend a lot of time

[3:43:56] decorating with their office.

[3:43:57] It was well received big

[3:43:58] congratulations to your first

[3:43:59] open house, supervisor stewart.

[3:44:00] Sunday my family and I took

[3:44:01] part in our annual santa trains

[3:44:06] and manasses.

[3:44:07] For folks of not been

[3:44:07] on the

[3:44:08] brt, I invite you to do so.

[3:44:09] My four-year-old, my

[3:44:10] two-year-old and 13-year-old

[3:44:15] lovett

[3:44:15] .

[3:44:16] We see santa claus.

[3:44:17] There are elves, caroling,

[3:44:17] singing

[3:44:17] .

[3:44:24] Is a really good time.

[3:44:25] If you're concerned about your

[3:44:26] kids having candy canes or

[3:44:26] candy, you should pass because

[3:44:29] they get out a lot of candy on

[3:44:29] that my kids were bouncing

[3:44:30] around throughout the day.

[3:44:37] Also wanted to talk about

[3:44:38] yesterday morning.

[3:44:39] I attended alongside supervisor

[3:44:43] bailey and angry the annual

[3:44:44] transportation legislative town

[3:44:48] hall forum put on by prt c, vre

[3:44:53] and in vtc.

[3:44:54] It's always great to bring so

[3:44:55] many transit nerds into the

[3:44:59] same building to talk about

[3:45:00] transit in our region.

[3:45:01] A lot of great conversations

[3:45:03] come out of that.

[3:45:04] My team was able to join rabbi

[3:45:07] in the jewish community for the

[3:45:09] menorah lighting and occoquan.

[3:45:11] Wanted to thank the jewish

[3:45:18] community in our county for

[3:45:19] continuing that tradition then

[3:45:19] supervisor gordy said, during

[3:45:20] this rough period folks are

[3:45:26] going through.

[3:45:27] With that, I have nothing else

[3:45:27] and I hope everyone has happy

[3:45:30] holidays, happy kwanzaa, happy

[3:45:31] hanukkah, merry christmas and

[3:45:31] happy new year.

[3:45:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:45:34] you forgot for the rest of us.

[3:45:34] All right.

[3:45:42] Supervisor stewart

[3:45:44] .

[3:45:45] >> MR. Shorter: stole my

[3:45:45] thunder and now it's time for

[3:45:46] the grievances.

[3:45:48] [Laughter]

[3:45:49] i want to thank everybody who

[3:45:50] came out to the gainesville

[3:45:53] office for the open house.

[3:45:53] T

[3:45:57] was like 12 days of christmas

[3:46:10] and thanks for being there

[3:46:10] ,

[3:46:11] thanks for the support.

[3:46:12] It was great posting you all

[3:46:13] got a great time and can't wait

[3:46:13] for christmas next year.

[3:46:14] The next day the town or

[3:46:15] haymarket, speaking about

[3:46:16] artists, the best in the county

[3:46:17] descended upon haymarket for

[3:46:18] their town bazaar and tree

[3:46:21] lighting.

[3:46:30] It was a great time.

[3:46:31] We had that haymarket polar

[3:46:33] express train for the kids and

[3:46:39] it was really great.

[3:46:40] Yesterday I attended the

[3:46:41] unveiling of

[3:46:48] elevate 2030.

[3:46:49] The prince william county

[3:46:50] school strategic plan for the

[3:46:51] next five years, which was

[3:46:53] great.

[3:46:54] This morning I attended the

[3:46:55] ribbon-cutting for the veterans

[3:47:01] care center on van til rd.

[3:47:10] Really awesome facility.

[3:47:10] Took some time to

[3:47:11] get it done,

[3:47:11] but from what I saw today it

[3:47:12] was worth every bit of the

[3:47:13] weight.

[3:47:14] The governor was there for the

[3:47:19] ribbon-cutting and for any

[3:47:20] marine or sailor who knows the

[3:47:22] name polar, this place was

[3:47:30] aptly named.

[3:47:30] And if there was going to be a

[3:47:31] place dedicated to the whole

[3:47:38] family, this was it.

[3:47:39] I want to wish everybody a

[3:47:40] happy holiday

[3:47:42] , merry christmas,

[3:47:51] happy hanukkah, happy kwanzaa.

[3:47:52] This has been for me an amazing

[3:47:52] year.

[3:47:53] T the beginning of the

[3:47:58] year I was in this room in a

[3:47:59] completely different way and

[3:48:03] now I find myself here.

[3:48:04] Inside of that though, I want

[3:48:09] to remember bob and his family

[3:48:10] .

[3:48:11] Especially at this time.

[3:48:13] The first christmas without

[3:48:17] first close loved one

[3:48:18] , as well

[3:48:19] as supervisor bailey

[3:48:19] having just

[3:48:21] lost her mom.

[3:48:35] My prayers are with you

[3:48:38] .

[3:48:39] I know what that can be like

[3:48:39] having lost both of my parents.

[3:48:40] Another part of this year with

[3:48:41] me reconnecting with my birth

[3:48:42] family, as

[3:48:43] many of you know.

[3:48:43] I'm adopted.

[3:48:44] And so that was a special thing

[3:48:44] for me.

[3:48:45] But I wish everybody all the

[3:48:52] success for the remaining days

[3:48:53] we have for this year and make

[3:48:53] it a good one and I will see

[3:48:54] you on the next one.

[3:48:54] >>

[3:48:55] Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:48:56] supervisor bailey.

[3:48:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[3:49:03] thank you MADAM Chair.

[3:49:04] On 10 DECEMBER I would like to

[3:49:12] thank my staff and supervisor

[3:49:12] franklin and county staff in

[3:49:13] all the constituents who

[3:49:14] attended the community meeting

[3:49:16] to discuss the safety solutions

[3:49:19] for potomac shores community.

[3:49:23] It was an awesome turn out.

[3:49:24] That's what we do.

[3:49:28] Work together to resolve issues

[3:49:28] .

[3:49:29] On the 11th, thank you to my

[3:49:32] staff who has been covering me

[3:49:33] in the moments of losing my

[3:49:40] mom.

[3:49:40] I appreciate my staff covering

[3:49:41] me and helping me pick but they

[3:49:42] attended the 54 graduation

[3:49:47] promotions ceremony here

[3:49:48] congratulations to the seven

[3:49:49] graduates who were promoted and

[3:49:53] welcome to the team pick

[3:49:54] supervisor stewart, I heard

[3:49:54] integrate all that

[3:49:58] they bash.

[3:49:59] Your first he got an a+ and

[3:49:59] thank you for the invitation

[3:50:00] and embracing our staff to come

[3:50:02] and participate in your open

[3:50:08] house pick on the 13th quantico

[3:50:08] national cemetery did the

[3:50:09] laying of the wreaths across

[3:50:10] america.

[3:50:14] Thank you to my appointing for

[3:50:15] attending the wreaths across

[3:50:20] america for me in my absence.

[3:50:21] As I graduated from the swanson

[3:50:25] institute on DECEMBER 13.

[3:50:32] It was an amazing nine months.

[3:50:32] Thank you to staff, delivery,

[3:50:33] roberts, sam and rebecca for an

[3:50:36] exceptional guidance and

[3:50:39] support in the program

[3:50:40] .

[3:50:41] That would helped me understand

[3:50:45] the state of virginia a lot

[3:50:46] more and helped me lead to

[3:50:47] better in prince william

[3:50:47] county.

[3:50:49] I'm a graduate.

[3:50:50] That was an amazing experience

[3:50:52] .

[3:50:56] On the 14th thanks to my

[3:50:57] PRESIDENT Allison and the links

[3:50:58] incorporated for partnering

[3:51:02] with me in my office for toys

[3:51:05] for tots this year.

[3:51:05] Special thanks to that

[3:51:11] organization in providing gifts

[3:51:14] , all kinds of gifts to our

[3:51:14] children less fortunate in the

[3:51:15] community.

[3:51:16] I'm excited about that being a

[3:51:16] marine corps wife.

[3:51:23] it's going to be a great time.

[3:51:25] And we will be supporting the

[3:51:25] shelter and the homeless

[3:51:26] ministries on the local

[3:51:27] communities and churches here

[3:51:28] in prince william county.

[3:51:28] Yesterday I did participate

[3:51:32] with my colleague victor angry

[3:51:36] and kenny boddye in the form

[3:51:41] and it was exceptional pick we

[3:51:41] are doing great things in

[3:51:42] transportation across the

[3:51:43] region.

[3:51:45] We will continue to

[3:51:46] make priorities in legislative

[3:51:49] agendas our utmost to give

[3:51:50] service to our communities as a

[3:51:53] relates to strategic planning

[3:51:55] and funding.

[3:52:00] Last night was amazing is that

[3:52:02] we supported doctor Mcdade in

[3:52:04] the 23rd a strategic plan

[3:52:04] .

[3:52:06] Another opportunity to partner

[3:52:11] together in this county for the

[3:52:12] best of what we have and that

[3:52:12] is the next generation so

[3:52:13] congratulations on that.

[3:52:16] Today my staff attended the

[3:52:17] veterans care center

[3:52:19] .

[3:52:24] Here was outstanding

[3:52:25] .

[3:52:26] Thank you for supporting me in

[3:52:27] that way.

[3:52:31] 128 bed skilled nursing for

[3:52:32] virginia veterans and we need

[3:52:33] that so much.

[3:52:36] Upcoming events on the 17th.

[3:52:37] Would like to thank my staff

[3:52:41] for attending the sit fencing

[3:52:42] at swans creek elementary

[3:52:45] school

[3:52:47] .

[3:52:47] It is an evening holiday with

[3:52:48] song so I know we are excited

[3:52:49] about that.

[3:52:51] And boys and girls

[3:52:53] club, the big kid event

[3:52:56] finality

[3:52:57] .

[3:52:58] On the 18th I will not be

[3:53:01] attending and that is the

[3:53:04] memorial service for my mom.

[3:53:04] But thank you to my staff for

[3:53:11] attending the copy holidays

[3:53:12] .

[3:53:13] I would like to wish all of my

[3:53:14] colleagues.

[3:53:14] I will

[3:53:15] get the cards after

[3:53:15] christmas.

[3:53:16] And I hope you have a joyful

[3:53:18] and peaceful and happy holiday

[3:53:22] season and thank you to all of

[3:53:25] you for your warm respect and

[3:53:26] prayers and blessings for the

[3:53:29] loss of my mother.

[3:53:30] Thank you MADAM Chair.

[3:53:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:53:38] thank you.

[3:53:39] This has been a really tough

[3:53:40] year for the board collectively

[3:53:41] and individually as people have

[3:53:42] been dealing with a lot of a

[3:53:44] loss this year.

[3:53:53] The holes people we care about

[3:53:54] leave in our hearts will always

[3:53:54] be there.

[3:53:55] Some days it will hurt more,

[3:53:56] some days it will hurt less.

[3:54:01] I was excited last night going

[3:54:02] to elevate 2030, the school

[3:54:04] strategic plan.

[3:54:04] I have to say I was really

[3:54:06] blown away.

[3:54:09] Was really in all of what our

[3:54:14] schools put together.

[3:54:14] It shows having the right

[3:54:15] leadership, having the right

[3:54:20] people who care and who are

[3:54:22] passionate about the work that

[3:54:23] they do, there are no bounds.

[3:54:32] When I was thinking about this,

[3:54:33] it's funny how this came

[3:54:34] together.

[3:54:36] I'm going to do a directive for

[3:54:36] children's.

[3:54:37] I sent information around my

[3:54:38] colleagues about what this

[3:54:39] could look like at a local

[3:54:39] level.

[3:54:53] As for my directive, without

[3:54:54] objection I would like to

[3:54:55] direct the county executive to

[3:54:56] work with staff to explore the

[3:54:57] creation of a children's

[3:54:58] cabinet to leverage the power

[3:54:59] of community stakeholders to

[3:54:59] address the needs of the youth

[3:55:00] in our community.

[3:55:01] The approach will bring

[3:55:02] together local government

[3:55:03] schools, health, human services

[3:55:04] and other community-based

[3:55:04] organizations to address

[3:55:05] challenges related to the

[3:55:08] issues of attendance, mental

[3:55:10] health, housing instability,

[3:55:11] workforce readiness, and early

[3:55:12] childhood development.

[3:55:16] This approach should consider

[3:55:17] how the children to come that

[3:55:17] would be structured to align

[3:55:21] policies, resources, and data

[3:55:22] around shared outcome for

[3:55:24] families.

[3:55:25] Especially from birth through

[3:55:29] young adulthood.

[3:55:30] While maintaining the legal and

[3:55:31] physical responsibilities of

[3:55:33] the county government and

[3:55:38] public school system, this

[3:55:38] model should allow for

[3:55:39] quarterly the community system

[3:55:40] that aligns efforts across

[3:55:43] education

[3:55:44] , health, housing and

[3:55:45] social services for the

[3:55:45] recommendation should include

[3:55:47] the potential governance

[3:55:47] structure of the cabinet model

[3:55:48] with a list of potential

[3:55:53] members and impacted steak

[3:55:54] oldest, budget implications and

[3:55:57] in the other items the board

[3:55:58] should be aware of in the

[3:56:08] creation in such a group.

[3:56:08] The county attorney office is

[3:56:09] directed to review the

[3:56:10] information and recommendations

[3:56:11] for legal issues but when the

[3:56:12] work is complete the county

[3:56:12] executive should report back to

[3:56:14] the board of the recommendation

[3:56:15] during the board meeting or by

[3:56:15] memorandum as they deem

[3:56:18] appropriate.

[3:56:19] Supervisor vega?

[3:56:19] Before thank you.

[3:56:20] I do object

[3:56:21] .

[3:56:26] You sent this late last night.

[3:56:27] But a quick review.

[3:56:30] I understand the intent but I

[3:56:31] will keep it short because I

[3:56:32] know we are pressed for time.

[3:56:33] I'm proud to say this

[3:56:36] initiative is not needed in

[3:56:37] here is why prince william

[3:56:39] county has a children service

[3:56:40] division which is a

[3:56:40] state-funded pool for

[3:56:44] eligibility for youth under 21

[3:56:45] with emotional, behavioral

[3:56:54] needs, fact

[3:56:55] , multiagency teams

[3:56:56] including schools, dss and it

[3:56:56] plans are individualized

[3:56:57] services like outpatient

[3:56:58] treatment that mirrors the

[3:57:05] proposal you have shared.

[3:57:06] When the officer youth services

[3:57:07] that promotes positive

[3:57:08] development via evidence-based

[3:57:08] programs, partners with

[3:57:09] nonprofits for afterschool

[3:57:10] resilience building.

[3:57:11] With the child advocacy center

[3:57:13] which houses in dss which

[3:57:14] brings law enforcement,

[3:57:15] prosecutors, mental health and

[3:57:15] professionals, the

[3:57:16] professionals together for

[3:57:17] abused cases preclude the

[3:57:18] strategic plan interagency tool

[3:57:18] which shares data dedicated

[3:57:21] liaisons, joint training and

[3:57:22] school meetings which ensures

[3:57:29] alignment with the spark

[3:57:30] funding to the tune of 350,000

[3:57:30] which supports cls and other

[3:57:31] partnerships.

[3:57:31] E have metrics

[3:57:34] and accountabilities in prince

[3:57:35] william county schools that are

[3:57:36] tracked of the pass rates,

[3:57:38] graduation data and family

[3:57:38] engagement surveys but prince

[3:57:40] william county uses enterprise

[3:57:41] wide processes for service

[3:57:41] delivery.

[3:57:44] In summary into my colleagues I

[3:57:45] will offer this the prince

[3:57:49] william county framework in

[3:57:49] interagency mechanisms via dss,

[3:57:50] prince william county schools,

[3:57:51] community services already

[3:57:53] delivers coordinated data

[3:57:58] driven support built in

[3:57:58] accountability.

[3:57:59] I don't believe we should be

[3:58:00] adding another group,

[3:58:04] especially when we really

[3:58:05] haven't spoken to the school

[3:58:06] division in regards to how this

[3:58:10] is going to make, how it's

[3:58:11] going to mean how it's going to

[3:58:11] back policy.

[3:58:13] I did a quick rundown.

[3:58:13] I have a lot more because

[3:58:14] there's a lot more detailed

[3:58:18] breakdown, specifically to the

[3:58:19] population if you will,

[3:58:22] specific age.

[3:58:22] Again, I am proud to say

[3:58:23] everything detailed in a

[3:58:24] directive is quite literally

[3:58:31] already covered through all the

[3:58:31] these other groups which we

[3:58:32] should all be very proud of,

[3:58:36] therefore we do not need this

[3:58:37] initiative to be implemented

[3:58:37] to.

[3:58:38] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:58:40] I agree we have a lot of work

[3:58:41] we are doing in the county and

[3:58:41] there is better coordination

[3:58:44] can always be there.

[3:58:44] This is something I have

[3:58:45] approached the schools about.

[3:58:48] And it just to discuss it fully

[3:58:49] but it's a directive to come

[3:58:53] back with recommendations.

[3:58:54] That there's nothing to be done

[3:58:55] and there is nothing to be

[3:58:55] done.

[3:58:59] I have seen this in

[3:58:59] other jurisdictions.

[3:59:00] Up above to explore this idea.

[3:59:02] But since there is an objection

[3:59:04] we are going to have to make

[3:59:06] this a resolution info on this.

[3:59:07] Going to go ahead.

[3:59:15] We can -- did you have

[3:59:15] something you want to say?

[3:59:16] >> Kenny Boddye: I was going to

[3:59:16] second it.

[3:59:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[3:59:19] it has been seconded by

[3:59:19] supervisor boddye.

[3:59:20] Is there any further

[3:59:20] discussion?

[3:59:29] Supervisor boddye.

[3:59:30] >> Kenny Boddye: supervisor

[3:59:31] vega, I appreciate you bringing

[3:59:31] that forward.

[3:59:33] I know that there is a lot of

[3:59:33] cross agency work and you can

[3:59:34] give great examples of what is

[3:59:36] being done.

[3:59:44] Print the analysis given is our

[3:59:44] we duplicating efforts.

[3:59:45] Is there room for something

[3:59:47] else to enhance and d silo

[3:59:51] further what is being done a

[3:59:52] guy will be supporting it

[3:59:52] because I think it would be

[4:00:05] good fact-finding on the county

[4:00:06] and all the colleagues in the

[4:00:09] agency to look through that.

[4:00:09] If it comes up it is redundant

[4:00:10] and we don't need to do

[4:00:11] anything else other than

[4:00:12] enhancement to existing that's

[4:00:12] fine.

[4:00:14] If it comes forth and says this

[4:00:15] is a new way to raise this to a

[4:00:15] higher level, I am all for that

[4:00:16] but the last thing I will say

[4:00:17] is I like the idea of uplifting

[4:00:18] children and families around

[4:00:20] this pick would love to talk to

[4:00:21] you further about having a

[4:00:24] group like this to inform

[4:00:31] futures report for the county.

[4:00:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:00:33] supervisor vega.

[4:00:34] >> Yesli Vega: I hear

[4:00:35] everything you've said and what

[4:00:35] supervisor boddye added.

[4:00:36] We often talk about the

[4:00:40] pressures we talk about rick if

[4:00:41] we took time to refresh our

[4:00:43] memories and what we provide in

[4:00:44] the county we would learn it

[4:00:49] would be redundant but now we

[4:00:50] are going to pile on additional

[4:00:51] work on staff already burdened

[4:00:54] with initiatives simply because

[4:00:59] we want to.

[4:01:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:01:01] supervisor bailey.

[4:01:05] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[4:01:05] appreciate what supervisor vega

[4:01:14] is saying.

[4:01:15] Didn't have an opportunity to

[4:01:16] digest because we did get it

[4:01:17] late last night.

[4:01:18] We did have an opportunity to

[4:01:20] really digest what you were

[4:01:25] putting forth.

[4:01:29] And thought I what we saw with

[4:01:30] the school board is addressing

[4:01:31] what you presented.

[4:01:36] This is an

[4:01:37] opportunity for us to partner

[4:01:39] with the school board more and

[4:01:42] partner with agencies more to

[4:01:45] see where the needs are.

[4:01:50] And I, like supervisor vega

[4:01:51] , we

[4:01:51] have seen a lovely great

[4:01:52] transformative things being

[4:01:54] presented to us here lately.

[4:01:59] I don't want staff to be

[4:02:04] overworked.

[4:02:04] Mission is to GETb

[4:02:05] understand

[4:02:10] where we are.

[4:02:11] so though I appreciate what you

[4:02:15] presented, we are in the

[4:02:16] pathway of doing that.

[4:02:20] Would like to see that come to

[4:02:21] fruition the impossible and

[4:02:25] then if it is not what we want

[4:02:25] come back with another

[4:02:27] directive.

[4:02:35] My concern is overworking staff

[4:02:36] as they are trying to get a

[4:02:36] rhythm partnering together to

[4:02:37] make sure that programs we have

[4:02:41] are relevant, makes sense, the

[4:02:42] resources are there in the

[4:02:42] funding is

[4:02:42] there.

[4:02:46] We are in it era right now were

[4:02:54] nationally things are so

[4:02:55] unstable that to put additional

[4:02:56] things on them, I don't see it

[4:02:59] right now

[4:02:59] .

[4:03:00] Though I would love to support

[4:03:06] this, the timing is off for me.

[4:03:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:03:08] appreciate that.

[4:03:09] I want to check on the stock

[4:03:09] thing.

[4:03:10] I apologize they got back so

[4:03:12] late.

[4:03:12] We have anti-bows and

[4:03:13] directives the same day or last

[4:03:15] minute.

[4:03:19] We talking about staff.

[4:03:20] I'm pretty sure I've been a

[4:03:23] strong advocate for review

[4:03:24] staff members would say I

[4:03:26] haven't making sure the other

[4:03:30] resources they need to do the

[4:03:31] work in front of them to make

[4:03:32] sure departments are adequately

[4:03:32] staffed.

[4:03:35] If people don't like

[4:03:36] this for reasons such as

[4:03:37] political reasons, I know that

[4:03:41] nobody is going to name them.

[4:03:42] Let's be honest.

[4:03:44] We can use more coordination.

[4:03:45] This is a directive.

[4:03:49] I don't think it hurts for us

[4:03:50] to look at things more

[4:03:51] holistically.

[4:03:54] Annecy were saying, I wasn't

[4:03:56] sure in your point

[4:03:57] .

[4:04:00] If you can clarify.

[4:04:02] If you can clarify

[4:04:03] .

[4:04:04] If you could take a moment to

[4:04:11] clarify.

[4:04:11] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[4:04:12] first of all, not political

[4:04:16] all.

[4:04:18] I'm on the dais to understand.

[4:04:27] What I mean by that is I don't

[4:04:28] think it is fair for us to have

[4:04:30] staff overworked and what is it

[4:04:39] you are not clear?

[4:04:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:04:41] you are saying there are other

[4:04:41] ways to get after what it is we

[4:04:42] want.

[4:04:46] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[4:04:46] what I meant by that getting

[4:04:47] what we want, let them bring

[4:04:49] back what they are working on

[4:04:49] now with the data they have now

[4:04:53] to assess what is needed.

[4:04:54] And once they do that if it is

[4:04:57] not satisfactory

[4:04:57] , and

[4:05:01] additional directive is needed.

[4:05:05] I don't think it is needed

[4:05:06] right now because of all the

[4:05:08] transformative things they are

[4:05:09] trying to grade to bring data

[4:05:14] back to us to make sure the

[4:05:15] programs in different agencies

[4:05:19] are relevant from being so old

[4:05:19] the.

[4:05:20] That's where I'm going with

[4:05:20] that.

[4:05:21] It's not political.

[4:05:25] I am

[4:05:25] trying to make sense out of

[4:05:33] what they are bringing to us

[4:05:33] now.

[4:05:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:05:35] usa in getting the data back.

[4:05:36] Are you making a directive?

[4:05:37] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[4:05:38] I'm not making a directive.

[4:05:38] I'm saying we need to continue

[4:05:39] with what they are bringing to

[4:05:40] us now with the programs

[4:05:42] supervisor vega resented.

[4:05:47] And there are a plethora

[4:05:48] .

[4:05:49] Some we need to weed out, some

[4:05:50] we need to keep.

[4:05:51] But I think there

[4:05:52] , they are in

[4:05:55] a rhythm bringing things back

[4:05:56] to us as well as our school

[4:05:57] board.

[4:06:07] This is not personal against

[4:06:07] you.

[4:06:08] I'm just saying information

[4:06:09] coming to us is relevant and it

[4:06:10] is information we haven't had

[4:06:10] before.

[4:06:10] Ot trying to make

[4:06:11] it

[4:06:12] personal.

[4:06:12] I am just saying that's my

[4:06:17] opinion.

[4:06:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:06:18] I'm still confused.

[4:06:21] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[4:06:22] bottom line what I'm saying

[4:06:23] it's not political, but I think

[4:06:25] based upon what we saw last

[4:06:26] night and a lot of it can be

[4:06:30] resolved and what you're trying

[4:06:31] to initiate if we work with the

[4:06:40] school board.

[4:06:41] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:06:42] what I'm looking at is more

[4:06:42] holistic and it's looking at

[4:06:43] that coordination piece.

[4:06:44] It's not needed.

[4:06:54] If we have the data would not

[4:06:54] have made this request.

[4:06:55] The reason I'm making this

[4:06:56] request is I would like staff

[4:06:56] to look into this.

[4:06:57] If it is nothing, it is

[4:06:57] nothing.

[4:06:58] I don't know if this is

[4:06:59] overburdening staff.

[4:07:03] i'm not asking for them to

[4:07:03] create a new program

[4:07:04] necessarily.

[4:07:05] I'm asking for information.

[4:07:06] I know we can go back and forth

[4:07:07] .

[4:07:08] If you would like to sit down

[4:07:09] and discuss this, I'm

[4:07:15] interested in.

[4:07:18] >> I'm offering my 1/8 opinion.

[4:07:18] I would like to discuss it

[4:07:19] further.

[4:07:24] In consideration of

[4:07:26] what you are trying to propose,

[4:07:27] there is something already that

[4:07:28] you might want to consider

[4:07:30] .

[4:07:34] It MAY be an opportunity.

[4:07:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:07:41] you cut me off.

[4:07:42] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[4:07:43] don't mean to cut you off.

[4:07:45] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:07:46] we are going to take a vote in.

[4:07:47] I don't feel we have this in

[4:07:48] place and that is why I offered

[4:07:51] a directive.

[4:07:52] Let's go ahead and take a vote.

[4:07:52] >> supervisor angry?

[4:08:06] >> Victor Angry: no.

[4:08:09] >> motion fails 3/3

[4:08:10] .

[4:08:20] Hold on.

[4:08:20] Three votes for no.

[4:08:20] Upervisor

[4:08:21] angry, bailey and vega.

[4:08:23] Supervisor gordy abstaining

[4:08:23] .

[4:08:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:10:48] I ask everyone to go see.

[4:10:49] We are going to certify our

[4:10:51] closed session so if somebody

[4:10:53] can have a motion.

[4:10:54] It has been properly moved and

[4:10:55] seconded.

[4:11:11] Let's take a vote.

[4:11:11] Goes off the second

[4:11:13] I get back

[4:11:23] >> thank you, sir.

[4:11:27] Vote unanimous.

[4:11:28] supervisor frequent absent from

[4:11:28] vote

[4:11:30] .

[4:11:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:11:31] all right

[4:11:32] .

[4:11:33] We have one thing to report

[4:11:35] out.

[4:11:35] Supervisor stewart?

[4:11:56] >> I move we appoint susan

[4:11:57] washington as human resources

[4:12:04] director.

[4:12:05] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:12:09] let's go ahead and take a vote.

[4:12:18] >> supervisor angry?

[4:12:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:12:21] all right.

[4:12:22] I don't know if you would like

[4:12:27] to say something?

[4:12:27] >> MR. Shorter: want to express

[4:12:28] my appreciation for your

[4:12:31] support and express my

[4:12:36] enthusiasm, great enthusiasm to

[4:12:37] welcome susan washington who

[4:12:38] has served this community

[4:12:44] extremely well.

[4:12:45] She is over 25 years experience

[4:12:46] in hr and I am very pleased we

[4:12:52] now get to call susan, not

[4:12:53] acting director but director of

[4:12:53] human resources.

[4:12:54] I don't know if you wanted to

[4:12:55] say a few words.

[4:13:00] [Inaudible]

[4:13:03] Good evening chair

[4:13:04] .

[4:13:04] And cxo shorter.

[4:13:09] I appreciate

[4:13:10] this opportunity to continue to

[4:13:13] serve my community, to support

[4:13:13] the county and my colleagues

[4:13:16] across the county and help lead

[4:13:17] the office of hr for prince

[4:13:19] william county.

[4:13:20] I am very excited about this

[4:13:24] opportunity.

[4:13:25] I'm thankful my children are

[4:13:25] here.

[4:13:32] They are there to see this and

[4:13:33] I appreciate your confidence in

[4:13:33] me as we move forward.

[4:13:34] Thank you so much.

[4:13:34] [Applause]

[4:13:35] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:13:36] thank you so very much.

[4:13:37] Everyone is really excited for

[4:13:39] this new chapter in your

[4:13:42] career.

[4:13:45] I know we are right at 6:59 pm

[4:13:46] but because we had to rush back

[4:13:47] from closed session I'm going

[4:13:50] to give the board a five minute

[4:14:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:14:35] for us five minutes went by

[4:14:35] fast.

[4:14:36] I hope it did for us well.

[4:14:37] We are moving to agenda item 13

[4:14:43] a and that is the rezoning for

[4:14:44] maple valley grove.

[4:14:44] I would like to ask the

[4:14:45] applicant to come forward to

[4:14:46] the present.

[4:14:47] Are we missing part of the

[4:14:50] applicant?

[4:14:50] All right.

[4:14:51] Talk amongst yourselves.

[4:15:22] We

[4:15:23] gained a lawyer but we lost the

[4:15:23] supervisor.

[4:15:25] That's okay.

[4:15:35] We still have a quorum.

[4:15:36] >> good evening keri jeffers

[4:15:37] and the members of the board.

[4:15:42] My name is jonelle cameron with

[4:15:42] walsh colucci leah bley and

[4:15:43] walsh are on behalf of the

[4:15:44] applicant, galveston crossing.

[4:15:50] With me are representatives

[4:15:51] from the applicant, the civil

[4:15:51] engineering team, traffic

[4:15:52] consultant and environment a

[4:15:58] consultant.

[4:15:59] Property is comprised of three

[4:15:59] parcels and is approximately

[4:16:01] 23.43 acres in size.

[4:16:05] Reference prince william pkwy.,

[4:16:06] here is hoadley road and here

[4:16:12] is galveston court.

[4:16:13] The property is zoned a-1

[4:16:14] agriculture and a small portion

[4:16:17] is zoned into light industrial.

[4:16:18] The properties comprehensively

[4:16:19] planned mixed-use three.

[4:16:23] The mixed-use three recommends

[4:16:24] 4 to 12 dwelling units per

[4:16:28] acre.

[4:16:29] This slide is an exhibit does

[4:16:30] show how it fits in with

[4:16:30] the

[4:16:31] surrounding area.

[4:16:36] Here is the shopping center,

[4:16:37] here is the apollo development

[4:16:42] that includes townhomes,

[4:16:42] commercial and here is

[4:16:44] additional commercial with

[4:16:44] residential here and del or nor

[4:16:49] here.

[4:16:49] This slide is the layout that

[4:16:50] shows the proposal.

[4:16:52] The applicant is proposing 274

[4:16:53] residential units which will

[4:16:59] allow 242 multifamily stacked

[4:17:00] units in the 32 traditional

[4:17:02] multifamily units.

[4:17:11] That up to 32 is because

[4:17:12] multifamily building here is

[4:17:13] proposed to be a lie tech

[4:17:13] building.

[4:17:14] That will be available to

[4:17:15] people making up to 60 percent

[4:17:15] ami.

[4:17:16] If the building is not

[4:17:24] approved, the applicant is

[4:17:25] proffered this building would

[4:17:25] be available to people earning

[4:17:26] up to 80 percent ami.

[4:17:29] The proposal is between 11.35

[4:17:31] dwelling units per acre and if

[4:17:35] there are 32 traditional

[4:17:36] multi-units 11.69 dwelling

[4:17:37] units per acre.

[4:17:39] The proposed into the minds

[4:17:40] with the comprehensive plan.

[4:17:45] This slide shows the open space

[4:17:45] plan.

[4:17:52] The humor in the comprehensive

[4:17:53] plan also recommends 30 percent

[4:17:54] open space for the applicant is

[4:18:00] proposing 55 percent as open

[4:18:01] space to.

[4:18:01] the applicant is proposing a 50

[4:18:02] foot buffer alone prince

[4:18:02] william pkwy.

[4:18:05] In the area here there is a 20

[4:18:08] foot great difference between

[4:18:09] prince william pkwy. And the

[4:18:21] property which requires

[4:18:21] grading

[4:18:22] within the buffer area.

[4:18:23] The applicant is requesting

[4:18:23] modified 30 foot buffer

[4:18:24] adjacent to the shopping center

[4:18:26] to the south.

[4:18:27] This area here and here.

[4:18:28] The applicant is integrated

[4:18:30] instead of separated from it.

[4:18:35] Providing a 50 foot buffer

[4:18:36] adjacent to the shopping center

[4:18:36] disrupts the walk ability

[4:18:39] between the uses.

[4:18:40] Although the buffer is 30 feet

[4:18:43] the applicant signed a majority

[4:18:44] of amenities to be along the

[4:18:47] property boundary line.

[4:18:50] Sorry.

[4:18:58] So this here is the buffer

[4:18:58] area.

[4:19:03] It's a variable with.

[4:19:03] There's a pinch point in this

[4:19:04] area here which is 37 feet, but

[4:19:06] with the amenities it ranges up

[4:19:09] to 198 feet.

[4:19:43] Applicant is proposing

[4:19:44] amenities on site that are

[4:19:45] walkable no matter where you

[4:19:46] are in the community.

[4:19:46] A little less than 1 1/3 acres

[4:19:47] is proposed as the amenity

[4:19:48] areas which include a community

[4:19:49] garden, community park, pocket

[4:19:50] park, fitness area and

[4:19:50] promenade.

[4:19:51] The multifamily building will

[4:19:52] have a community located inside

[4:19:52] of it.

[4:19:53] The applicant is proffering the

[4:19:54] monetary contribution of her

[4:19:55] parks and recreation for

[4:19:56] occoquan and neabsco greenways.

[4:19:57] This slide shows the community

[4:19:58] garden that provides outdoor

[4:19:59] space for residents to plan

[4:20:00] their own preferences and needs

[4:20:01] in addition to plots shared

[4:20:02] work in the form of potting

[4:20:02] benches unseating would be

[4:20:03] present as well.

[4:20:03] This slide shows the community

[4:20:04] park.

[4:20:04] His is the primary

[4:20:04] amenity

[4:20:05] area in this portion of

[4:20:06] the neighborhood and it

[4:20:07] includes a playground for ages

[4:20:08] two through 12, gathering

[4:20:09] space

[4:20:10] , long gardens and a

[4:20:13] fitness area.

[4:20:14] This slide shows a pocket park

[4:20:21] and fitness areas

[4:20:22] .

[4:20:23] There are seating inventions in

[4:20:24] this area here and in the

[4:20:25] fitness area is in this area

[4:20:25] here.

[4:20:31] Finally we have the promenade

[4:20:33] .

[4:20:34] It's designed so when you come

[4:20:35] into the site and looks great

[4:20:36] ahead what you're looking at is

[4:20:37] the promenade area.

[4:20:38] That area and assess an outdoor

[4:20:43] seating here alone area and the

[4:20:44] possibility to have a library

[4:20:48] station and or swing.

[4:20:49] As part of the proposal the

[4:20:53] applicant was required to do

[4:20:54] and traffic impact analysis.

[4:21:00] The traffic impact analysis

[4:21:00] requires you to look at the

[4:21:01] three intersections on the

[4:21:02] screen.

[4:21:02] It requires us to look

[4:21:03] at levels

[4:21:04] of service today.

[4:21:05] The levels of service in the

[4:21:06] future without the development.

[4:21:07] The future requires you to take

[4:21:08] a two percent per year annual

[4:21:13] growth rate as well as include

[4:21:14] any other projects that have

[4:21:15] been approved and not yet

[4:21:19] developed.

[4:21:20] So for this specific site had

[4:21:20] to look at the special use

[4:21:23] permit that was approved of the

[4:21:27] background trips and the need

[4:21:28] to look at what is the level of

[4:21:31] the service in the future

[4:21:32] looking at the two percent

[4:21:33] annual growth rate, the

[4:21:34] doorbell nor approval and

[4:21:34] project.

[4:21:40] Because hoadley square was go

[4:21:41] into the rezoning process at

[4:21:41] the same time.

[4:21:43] The county also asked the

[4:22:03] applicant also include hoadley

[4:22:04] square in their review all the

[4:22:06] intersections operated on an

[4:22:06] exceptional level of service

[4:22:07] except for the intersection of

[4:22:08] prince william pkwy. And

[4:22:10] hoadley road feeling in the

[4:22:11] future without the project and

[4:22:12] with maple valley grove in the

[4:22:13] proposed hoadley square, there

[4:22:14] was an increase of delay by 5.5

[4:22:14] seconds.

[4:22:16] In calculating the proposed

[4:22:16] trips for the development the

[4:22:17] applicant did not take a

[4:22:18] reduction for nearby transit or

[4:22:19] walk ability, which is

[4:22:19] something they are normally

[4:22:26] allowed to do.

[4:22:27] As you are aware, vdot started

[4:22:27] the star study at the

[4:22:28] intersection of hoadley road,

[4:22:29] davis ford rd. In prince

[4:22:30] william parkway.

[4:22:33] That looks like at the entire

[4:22:34] corridor were down to 234.

[4:22:35] The study provided options for

[4:22:36] intersection improvements

[4:22:36] ,

[4:22:50] including at the intersection

[4:22:51] of prince william pkwy. And

[4:22:51] davis ford road.

[4:22:52] The applicant provided the

[4:22:53] monetary contribution of a

[4:22:54] little over $71,000 for an

[4:22:55] interim improvement

[4:22:56] intersection of prince william

[4:22:56] pkwy.

[4:22:57] , hoadley road and davis ford

[4:22:57] road.

[4:23:02] Or along the court order.

[4:23:03] This slide shows the interior

[4:23:03] street network.

[4:23:04] The street network is designed

[4:23:06] with a structured hierarchy

[4:23:20] prioritizing connectivity

[4:23:20] ,

[4:23:21] functionality, accessibility,

[4:23:22] efficiency, and safety for a

[4:23:23] vehicular, bicycle and

[4:23:23] pedestrian traffic.

[4:23:24] As part of the project the

[4:23:25] applicant will be relocating

[4:23:26] the existing cul-de-sac at the

[4:23:27] end of galveston court in this

[4:23:28] area here in relocating that

[4:23:29] into the development.

[4:23:34] The applicant was also asked if

[4:23:35] they can work with the adjacent

[4:23:35] shopping center to obtain an

[4:23:36] easement for pedestrian

[4:23:40] connectivity in this area here

[4:23:41] to have a direct connection

[4:23:42] other than the on galveston

[4:23:47] court to the shopping center.

[4:23:48] In the event hoadley is not

[4:23:51] approved, the applicant is

[4:23:52] relocating galveston court

[4:23:54] further into the development

[4:24:04] which is in this area here.

[4:24:04] This slide is a

[4:24:05] interconnectivity exhibit that

[4:24:06] demonstrates how vehicular and

[4:24:07] pedestrian access would work in

[4:24:08] the event hoadley road is

[4:24:08] approved.

[4:24:09] The red dashed line of the

[4:24:12] vehicular

[4:24:12] , the blue lines of

[4:24:13] the sidewalks in the yellow

[4:24:14] lines are asphalt trails.

[4:24:17] As

[4:24:18] part of this proposal the

[4:24:21] applicant is over part by 55

[4:24:23] spaces.

[4:24:30] This slide shows the monument

[4:24:30] signage.

[4:24:35] This slide shows the stack

[4:24:36] multifamily elevations.

[4:24:37] The standards are updated and

[4:24:38] don't necessarily align with

[4:24:40] today's market

[4:24:40] .

[4:24:41] For this reason we are seeking

[4:24:43] the modifications as a relates

[4:24:44] to the multifamily stacked

[4:24:53] unit.

[4:24:54] The first is a modification to

[4:24:55] increase the building height to

[4:24:56] 55 feet to allow for rooftop

[4:24:56] terraces on the reduction of

[4:24:57] the front setback to 25 feet.

[4:25:00] The design guidelines different

[4:25:01] materials, colors and bump outs

[4:25:02] be provided to break up the

[4:25:06] building.

[4:25:06] This slide shows the

[4:25:08] multifamily buildings the

[4:25:10] applicant is seeking a waiver

[4:25:24] modification for the setback.

[4:25:25] In the next few slides I'm

[4:25:26] going to review revisions to

[4:25:27] the proffers made based on

[4:25:27] feedback at the planning

[4:25:28] commission public hearing.

[4:25:29] The first change was requiring

[4:25:30] 30 percent of the units to

[4:25:31] include bricks, stone, masonry,

[4:25:34] siding or cultured stone.

[4:25:39] The second revision was to add

[4:25:42] a low impact development best

[4:25:42] practice manager to the

[4:25:47] property and essentially this

[4:25:48] is a measure added to

[4:25:49] stormwater management to help

[4:25:56] with stormwater management.

[4:25:57] And finally they added them

[4:25:58] contribution is $31,046.28 to

[4:26:02] be used for an interim

[4:26:03] improvement along the corridor

[4:26:04] were.

[4:26:18] That concludes my presentation.

[4:26:19] Am available to answer any

[4:26:20] questions you all MAY have.

[4:26:21] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:26:21] all right.

[4:26:22] Does anyone have any questions

[4:26:24] for the applicant right now?

[4:26:25] All right.

[4:26:25] Supervisor boddye.

[4:26:26] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

[4:26:27] the presentation.

[4:26:27] Just a couple questions and I

[4:26:28] will likely ask staff some of

[4:26:33] the same issue areas their

[4:26:34] constituents who talked about

[4:26:35] three issues for

[4:26:44] transportation, environments,

[4:26:44] schools here can you talk a

[4:26:45] little bit about, he talked

[4:26:46] about the transportation piece

[4:26:47] quite a bit and you said in

[4:26:58] this case wasn't a bonus given

[4:26:59] for transit, walk ability.

[4:26:59] Can you talk more about that?

[4:27:00] >> when you are doing traffic

[4:27:01] impact analysis, each

[4:27:02] project-based on the number of

[4:27:03] units and type unit is assigned

[4:27:03] a prep.

[4:27:04] When you are doing this you

[4:27:15] have to get it reduction in

[4:27:17] your trip when you are near

[4:27:17] transit or walk ability.

[4:27:18] In this instance there a bus

[4:27:19] stop specifically on galveston

[4:27:20] court as well as alone hoadley

[4:27:21] road and and there is the walk

[4:27:22] ability between the shopping

[4:27:24] center and the residential.

[4:27:25] That allows for there to be a

[4:27:26] reduction in trips on the

[4:27:27] applicant did not do that

[4:27:28] reduction in trips when it was

[4:27:29] doing the traffic impact

[4:27:35] analysis.

[4:27:36] >> Kenny Boddye: you talked

[4:27:37] about the star study a little

[4:27:37] bit, but has there been

[4:27:42] conversation around what the

[4:27:42] interim improvement might be

[4:27:43] that the contribution go

[4:27:46] towards?

[4:27:53] >> I started the star study,

[4:27:54] they provided options.

[4:27:55] In addition when is being

[4:27:56] reviewed, prince william county

[4:27:57] transportation also looked at

[4:27:58] potential options

[4:27:59] .

[4:28:01] One of those was a triple left

[4:28:04] on prince william pkwy.

[4:28:04] .

[4:28:09] Sorry to make you all dizzy.

[4:28:10] Essentially the left turn lane,

[4:28:19] these two lane left movements

[4:28:20] that have that delay today in

[4:28:21] seconds and then with both

[4:28:21] projects it was adding an

[4:28:24] additional 5.5 seconds.

[4:28:24] One of the options potentially

[4:28:27] was to re-stripe a through lane

[4:28:27] to create another left turn

[4:28:33] movement on hoadley road but

[4:28:34] the county is looking at all

[4:28:36] options to determine what is

[4:28:50] the best interim option.

[4:28:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:28:52] to we will get there when you

[4:28:53] get the county staff.

[4:28:53] Thank you for that.

[4:28:54] Ot of

[4:28:54] folks or concerns about the

[4:28:55] occoquan reservoir

[4:28:55] and how this

[4:28:55] feeds into that.

[4:29:04] For starters, for the comp

[4:29:05] plan we adopted and staff

[4:29:06] recommendation, this was always

[4:29:07] proposed to be in him you 3,

[4:29:07] correct?

[4:29:08] T wasn't supposed to

[4:29:16] be -- nothing like that?

[4:29:16] Appreciate that.

[4:29:18] On the environmental piece, can

[4:29:18] you talk about the storm water

[4:29:19] management system and how that

[4:29:20] compares the existing

[4:29:21] conditions on the site?

[4:29:22] >> absolutely pick on going to

[4:29:23] have nat marshall who is our

[4:29:23] civil engineer come and speak

[4:29:30] on that.

[4:29:34] >> good evening

[4:29:35] .

[4:29:35] My name is matt marshall.

[4:29:36] I am the engineer for the

[4:29:45] applicant.

[4:29:46] The system is going to be two

[4:29:46] parts.

[4:29:47] It's going to be a level I what

[4:29:48] pond and complemented now with

[4:29:58] an lad.

[4:29:59] We are going to do

[4:30:00] at least one

[4:30:00] but we are going to pursue work

[4:30:01] fits where it provides the most

[4:30:01] benefit.

[4:30:03] They will be in treatment

[4:30:04] someone will drain to another

[4:30:04] to help improve the water

[4:30:05] quality.

[4:30:06] We are also doing what is

[4:30:06] called general protection and

[4:30:07] flood protection using the

[4:30:08] energy balance equation such we

[4:30:09] are mimicking the development

[4:30:09] flows

[4:30:10] to reduce downstream

[4:30:10] erosion.

[4:30:12] Be more friendly, if you will,

[4:30:12] in terms of the post

[4:30:23] development relative to the

[4:30:24] predevelopment division.

[4:30:25] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[4:30:25] that.

[4:30:25] Last question for now.

[4:30:26] Schools.

[4:30:27] Some folks are concerned about

[4:30:27] the schools impact.

[4:30:28] Talk about the schools impact

[4:30:29] on the options the school board

[4:30:30] how should this could approved.

[4:30:31] >> absolutely.

[4:30:31] The elementary and high school

[4:30:45] do not have capacity.

[4:30:46] Prince william county looked at

[4:30:46] the site as part of the

[4:30:47] application.

[4:30:48] Application gets distributed to

[4:30:49] prince william county schools.

[4:30:50] They call it and they provided

[4:30:50] impact report.

[4:30:51] there are other schools within

[4:30:52] the district for elementary

[4:30:54] schools that have capacity and

[4:30:59] I have a couple of slides.

[4:31:00] The slide here is what was

[4:31:09] actually in the impact report

[4:31:10] within the county staff report

[4:31:11] that you received.

[4:31:12] Marshall elementary, benton

[4:31:13] middle and charles cogan senior

[4:31:13] high school are the three

[4:31:14] schools currently assigned.

[4:31:15] Arshall and charles cogan are

[4:31:19] overcapacity today pick with

[4:31:20] this development they would

[4:31:25] continue to be overcapacity.

[4:31:26] What the county said it is the

[4:31:27] 14 high school will provide

[4:31:29] additional capacity to address

[4:31:30] overcrowding at the high

[4:31:36] school.

[4:31:37] It's the enrollment projections

[4:31:38] do not reflect any potential

[4:31:40] remedial measures the school

[4:31:41] board has which includes

[4:31:46] redistricting.

[4:31:47] What we did is looked at the

[4:31:48] elementary schools which is

[4:31:51] carried out, marshall and penn.

[4:31:51] Garrido has capacity in the

[4:31:54] future and then we also looked

[4:31:56] at the high schools prince

[4:31:57] william county schools tom

[4:31:58] mentioned which were hilton

[4:32:02] high school and garfield in

[4:32:03] both of those are under

[4:32:13] capacity as well

[4:32:13] .

[4:32:14] Is a likely at the time the

[4:32:15] school system is notified.

[4:32:15] E

[4:32:16] sold our first unit or our

[4:32:16] first unit is about to be

[4:32:16] occupied.

[4:32:24] They would then look at the

[4:32:24] schools and address

[4:32:25] overcrowding which could

[4:32:26] include redistricting the

[4:32:27] students in this development to

[4:32:28] a school that has capacity.

[4:32:31] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you.

[4:32:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:32:35] any other questions.

[4:32:36] Let's go ahead and have the

[4:32:59] county percent.

[4:33:00] >> in evening.

[4:33:00] Scott meyer of the planning

[4:33:01] office

[4:33:01] .

[4:33:05] Nice to see everybody.

[4:33:06] You have already been oriented

[4:33:08] toward the site is, is just a

[4:33:11] couple of things

[4:33:12] .

[4:33:15] The site is right here.

[4:33:16] It's along the prince william

[4:33:19] pkwy.

[4:33:20] This corner is entirely planned

[4:33:23] is immune 3. Mixed use

[4:33:24] neighborhood mixed-use.

[4:33:29] It is not in the -- , but still

[4:33:30] give natural features

[4:33:30] .

[4:33:36] Existing in even though there

[4:33:42] are districts and descriptions,

[4:33:43] we need to move mindful of all

[4:33:43] the things.

[4:33:44] The applicant is proposing to

[4:33:45] rezone the plan mixed

[4:33:47] residential of a total unit

[4:33:51] count not to exceed 274.

[4:33:52] It's going to be a mixture of

[4:33:53] stock multifamily were stacked

[4:33:54] towns

[4:33:55] , as we sometimes refer

[4:33:59] them to as.

[4:34:00] Untraditional is going to be in

[4:34:03] the eastern part of the site.

[4:34:06] Staff is recommending approval.

[4:34:06] Just a couple of things.

[4:34:12] This is the current land use

[4:34:13] and we are charged looking at

[4:34:13] what the currently

[4:34:13] induces among

[4:34:16] other things.

[4:34:17] It's along the prince william

[4:34:20] pkwy.

[4:34:21] One of the big issues is, and

[4:34:22] I'm going to get into this

[4:34:22] later.

[4:34:25] the loss of areas and also

[4:34:29] trying to preserve trees on

[4:34:30] site to the extent practicable.

[4:34:36] E have to balance that with

[4:34:37] affordable housing component

[4:34:38] which is also important.

[4:34:39] This is just the context of the

[4:34:46] analysis.

[4:34:47] This is the design guidelines.

[4:34:47] At issue in the site here in

[4:34:48] position to

[4:34:48] the intersection of

[4:34:52] the parkway.

[4:34:53] The next piece to be discussed

[4:34:56] after this is to the west next

[4:35:00] to dorrell nor.

[4:35:04] As janelle it mentioned

[4:35:04] , land

[4:35:22] bait a is the stock multifamily

[4:35:22] .

[4:35:23] Thus the height increase is for

[4:35:24] the stock multifamily.

[4:35:25] It is not for the traditional

[4:35:25] multifamily.

[4:35:27] Just to clarify that.

[4:35:28] This is the environmental

[4:35:29] constraints analysis and we

[4:35:30] have a staff from environmental

[4:35:31] services here as well.

[4:35:32] There are also a couple of

[4:35:32] extra slides if we want to get

[4:35:34] into that discussion.

[4:35:34] But the point of this is there

[4:35:35] are intact limits of clearing

[4:35:37] and grading which is a good

[4:35:37] thing.

[4:35:37] A lot of the site is being

[4:35:41] cleared.

[4:35:42] How do we balance that with the

[4:35:43] intent and the environmental

[4:35:45] component of the conference a

[4:35:45] plan.

[4:35:46] We feel that is one of the

[4:35:48] issues we feel could've been

[4:35:53] better looked up.

[4:36:03] Open space this is not the

[4:36:03] develop open space which is

[4:36:04] considerably more than what we

[4:36:05] have.

[4:36:06] Looked at the quality of the

[4:36:06] design.

[4:36:06] .

[4:36:07] One thing we do wishes the

[4:36:08] buffer along the parkway was

[4:36:08] increased

[4:36:09] .

[4:36:13] It does meet the intent and the

[4:36:15] 50 foot buffer, but we feel the

[4:36:17] height and with the massing

[4:36:17] , on

[4:36:22] the other side of the parkway

[4:36:23] of a much more intact buffer.

[4:36:24] We feel respectfully the buffer

[4:36:28] should be increased and also we

[4:36:39] feel that there is a thin

[4:36:40] amount of pine trees along the

[4:36:40] parkway.

[4:36:41] Also, the applicants are

[4:36:42] requesting to modify the buffer

[4:36:42] to the south.

[4:36:42] We

[4:36:43] really feel that should still

[4:36:44] be 50 feet because it is

[4:36:44] backing up.

[4:36:45] We want to have that

[4:36:45] separation, but we look at all

[4:36:51] these things she in

[4:36:52] combination.

[4:37:03] Not in isolation.

[4:37:03] This is again, the public

[4:37:04] street alternative.

[4:37:04] You

[4:37:05] are looking at the stock

[4:37:06] multifamily and personal in the

[4:37:06] traditional piece to the east

[4:37:08] here.

[4:37:09] Until the height increases only

[4:37:10] for the stacked multifamily.

[4:37:14] It is not for the traditional

[4:37:15] there is also a setback

[4:37:24] modification as well.

[4:37:25] These are the elevations with

[4:37:25] the stock multifamily to the

[4:37:26] left in the traditional

[4:37:38] multifamily to the right.

[4:37:39] Just a couple of

[4:37:40] things to point

[4:37:40] out.

[4:37:40] Overall we are supporting the

[4:37:41] application.

[4:37:42] we look at land use and design

[4:37:42] and all those things.

[4:37:43] However, we feel environment

[4:37:44] our concerns.

[4:37:46] We understand we are not going

[4:37:47] to solve this all through the

[4:37:48] districting issue, but we look

[4:37:49] at what schools have provided

[4:37:54] us.

[4:37:55] Just a couple of things to

[4:37:55] point out with the loss of

[4:37:57] vegetated areas.

[4:37:58] The need for increase on site

[4:37:59] preservation.

[4:38:04] We feel there could still be

[4:38:05] great or tree preservation on

[4:38:06] site and they could increase

[4:38:14] the buffer by not losing a lot

[4:38:15] of units by enhanced tree

[4:38:15] preservation, particularly

[4:38:16] along the parkway.

[4:38:17] We feel there are still

[4:38:18] opportunities for on-site tree

[4:38:23] preservation.

[4:38:23] The applicant based on the

[4:38:24] planning commission discussion

[4:38:25] did add a commitment for impact

[4:38:26] development, but we feel

[4:38:31] environmentally with a lot of

[4:38:32] areas that will be gone and we

[4:38:33] have to look at what the intent

[4:38:33] of the environment policies

[4:38:34] are.

[4:38:34] So

[4:38:34] the environment was a no.

[4:38:37] Schools we feel there are still

[4:38:41] unmitigated impacts based on

[4:38:42] the scope capacity for the

[4:38:46] elementary school.

[4:38:46] We also have some concerns

[4:38:55] about the analysis schools have

[4:38:56] brought up they don't agree

[4:38:57] with the methodology.

[4:38:58] The applicant has done their

[4:38:58] analysis.

[4:39:02] We look at proffers as being

[4:39:03] voluntary.

[4:39:03] S just interesting

[4:39:04] to point out this does not have

[4:39:05] a monetary contribution for

[4:39:06] schools.

[4:39:11] But hoadley square to the west

[4:39:11] does.

[4:39:12] Do something to absorb.

[4:39:16] And community design we feel

[4:39:16] again, with an undisturbed

[4:39:17] greater buffer along the

[4:39:22] parkway louisville with a

[4:39:23] greater buffer to the south

[4:39:24] that could fully mitigate the

[4:39:31] impacts.

[4:39:32] But we look at everything in

[4:39:32] combination.

[4:39:33] With the modifications we are

[4:39:36] supporting all of them.

[4:39:37] We feel the contiguous buffer

[4:39:43] for 40 feet that would be more

[4:39:44] 50 feet.

[4:39:44] We ask for that numerous times

[4:39:46] but we respect the applicants

[4:39:46] position on that.

[4:39:50] And we feel the setbacks are

[4:39:51] based on the safety

[4:39:51] requirements.

[4:39:52] I would be looked at later on

[4:39:54] in the site process.

[4:39:56] With todd in combination

[4:39:57] , the

[4:39:58] planning commission recommended

[4:39:58] denial.

[4:40:00] There was a lotto

[4:40:08] discussion because there is a

[4:40:09] time with a potential itech it

[4:40:10] component in the interest to

[4:40:10] move this forward to the board

[4:40:11] ,

[4:40:12] the planning commission

[4:40:23] recommended did not know.

[4:40:24] We have to note it was

[4:40:24] recommended.

[4:40:25] Staff is recommending approval.

[4:40:26] Staff is still recommending

[4:40:27] approval with revised proffers

[4:40:28] dated NOVEMBER 26.

[4:40:29] We feel this meets and directly

[4:40:29] implements that

[4:40:30] because that is

[4:40:30] what the current plan land uses

[4:40:40] .

[4:40:41] We feel is proffered we are

[4:40:42] going to have a cohesive

[4:40:42] quality development,

[4:40:43] multifamily housing options.

[4:40:44] Most notably the affordability

[4:40:45] component we have to look out

[4:40:46] good things and the things that

[4:40:47] could use improvement over all.

[4:40:50] We feel this directly provides

[4:40:50] greater housing and

[4:40:51] affordability component and

[4:41:01] also meets the intent of the

[4:41:01] strategic plan.

[4:41:02] With that I will be happy to

[4:41:03] answer questions.

[4:41:04] We have transportation staff

[4:41:04] and I wanted to mention meals

[4:41:06] at the health department as

[4:41:06] well.

[4:41:06] Nd planning commission

[4:41:07] there was a lotto discussion

[4:41:10] about septic and water quality.

[4:41:15] With that, thank you.

[4:41:16] I will answer any questions if

[4:41:16] I can then we have staff as

[4:41:19] well.

[4:41:21] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:41:21] supervisor boddye then vegas be

[4:41:22] too thank you for the

[4:41:23] presentation and all of your

[4:41:24] work on this

[4:41:25] .

[4:41:26] Can we go to transportation for

[4:41:28] a second?

[4:41:34] She split kevin, transportation

[4:41:35] planning manager.

[4:41:36] What specifically.

[4:41:38] >> Kenny Boddye: sure.

[4:41:44] Can you talk about the options

[4:41:45] being talked out with the

[4:41:45] interim staff for prince

[4:41:48] william pkwy.

[4:41:48] The ideas in the future?

[4:41:51] >> we are zeroing in from the

[4:41:57] left bound approach on the

[4:41:58] parkway, but by no means is not

[4:42:01] the only option.

[4:42:01] There are other options as far

[4:42:02] as a long term

[4:42:16] improvements.

[4:42:16] Not only can then be similar to

[4:42:17] the improvements if that is

[4:42:18] what is considered to be the

[4:42:19] most feasible from an

[4:42:20] efficiency standpoint, but

[4:42:20] there are options being looked

[4:42:21] at right now as part of the

[4:42:22] stars study we should get the

[4:42:23] results sometime in 2026 and

[4:42:24] begin to move forward with the

[4:42:24] project in the future

[4:42:31] hopefully.

[4:42:32] >> Kenny Boddye: 2026 is when

[4:42:32] we will have the results?

[4:42:34] >> meant 2026 the study will be

[4:42:37] closed out.

[4:42:38] >> Kenny Boddye: this is partly

[4:42:38] a you question and partly

[4:42:39] escott question

[4:42:40] .

[4:42:42] A box of the southern buffer

[4:42:46] along the shopping center.

[4:42:47] Can you guys helped me out in

[4:42:54] terms of the balance sheet

[4:42:55] between wanting and walking

[4:42:56] multimodal time development in

[4:42:57] this desire data buffers.

[4:42:57] You guys like walk ability and

[4:43:01] everything to be multimodal.

[4:43:01] If you're pushing these back

[4:43:02] that makes things less

[4:43:05] walkable.

[4:43:09] >> we look at a combination of

[4:43:13] things.

[4:43:13] The standard is to provide a 50

[4:43:15] foot buffer between commercial

[4:43:21] and residential.

[4:43:22] There is a connection point

[4:43:24] which is right here.

[4:43:31] But we feel because this is in

[4:43:32] the rear of the shopping center

[4:43:32] is loading set forth in.

[4:43:34] We feel that there is an

[4:43:35] opportunity to still increase

[4:43:37] the planning commission

[4:43:37] .

[4:43:38] I will say there was a

[4:43:42] discussion of over shifting the

[4:43:43] amenity area closer to the red

[4:43:45] dot is

[4:43:45] .

[4:43:45] that was not done.

[4:43:48] This is in the only way to do

[4:43:57] this, but with a lookup with

[4:43:58] the intent of buffering is.

[4:43:59] With environmental services, is

[4:43:59] there anything that you wanted

[4:44:00] to do?

[4:44:01] I want to make sure that I am

[4:44:06] reflecting my we were holding

[4:44:06] and winning the 50 foot

[4:44:11] deceptive.

[4:44:12] >> basically for minimum

[4:44:19] standards and so with this

[4:44:20] being it is backing the loading

[4:44:26] area we wanted more screening.

[4:44:27] It does allow for perpendicular

[4:44:27] crossings.

[4:44:27] Of your concern is walk

[4:44:31] ability, they can certainly add

[4:44:37] more crossings through the

[4:44:38] buffer.

[4:44:38] Ut being there going

[4:44:39] to be walking back to where the

[4:44:39] trucks are loading, that's a

[4:44:41] concern for us which is public

[4:44:47] safety.

[4:44:47] >> Kenny Boddye: scott, last

[4:44:48] one for me right now.

[4:44:53] The light tech piece.

[4:44:54] Can you talk about more about

[4:44:54] that and how that works in the

[4:44:59] thought process?

[4:45:00] You talked about there was a

[4:45:01] lotto discussion about that.

[4:45:02] >> yes.

[4:45:02] With the affordability

[4:45:03] component

[4:45:04] the applicant is proposing to

[4:45:06] options.

[4:45:07] We are looking at the light

[4:45:08] tech component for the

[4:45:11] traditional multifamily.

[4:45:11] Or if not, they are looking at

[4:45:14] where the traditional 80

[4:45:18] percent of ami.

[4:45:19] The planning commission, there

[4:45:28] was an interest to keep this

[4:45:29] moving in terms of the timing

[4:45:29] with the funding.

[4:45:30] I will let the applicant

[4:45:32] explain more, but I will say

[4:45:33] the planning commission, they

[4:45:38] recommended denial to

[4:45:39] procedurally still allow this

[4:45:40] to move forward because it was

[4:45:44] .

[4:45:45] >> tonya washington, planning

[4:45:46] director.

[4:45:47] The first motion of the

[4:45:52] planning commission was

[4:45:53] recommendation of approval, but

[4:45:54] it was a split vote so that

[4:45:54] motion failed.

[4:46:01] And made a

[4:46:02] comment of the planning

[4:46:02] commission nodded the planning

[4:46:04] commission did not take action

[4:46:05] on this obligation within 90

[4:46:06] days, the obligation would then

[4:46:08] move forward to the board with

[4:46:11] an assumption of approval.

[4:46:12] But I also make note that the

[4:46:21] applicant discussed this a

[4:46:21] light tech component they do

[4:46:22] have an upcoming

[4:46:22] deadline next

[4:46:22] year.

[4:46:23] Nd so I shared that for

[4:46:25] their consideration.

[4:46:25] And subsequently there was a

[4:46:26] second motion to recommend

[4:46:29] denial to make sure the

[4:46:29] application can continue to

[4:46:31] move forward to the board so

[4:46:33] the board can take action and

[4:46:38] if it were approved they could

[4:46:39] presumably meet the light tech

[4:46:44] application deadline.

[4:46:45] >> Kenny Boddye: scott was

[4:46:46] tagging in the applicant for

[4:46:50] the light tech piece.

[4:46:51] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:46:55] did you have anything else?

[4:47:00] >> the deadline to have your

[4:47:01] light tech application is is

[4:47:03] MARCH 15.

[4:47:06] In the event it is not approved

[4:47:06] the applicant add a specific

[4:47:07] proffer

[4:47:09] .

[4:47:10] i can read that to you or just

[4:47:14] reference it.

[4:47:19] Proffer for b states in the

[4:47:20] event the light tech

[4:47:25] application is not awarded, the

[4:47:26] building would be made

[4:47:28] available making 80 percent

[4:47:32] ami.

[4:47:33] That would be in a portable

[4:47:34] dwelling unit building and not

[4:47:36] a market rate building.

[4:47:45] You are welcome.

[4:47:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:47:46] supervisor vega.

[4:47:47] >> Yesli Vega: scott, I have a

[4:47:49] few questions for you.

[4:47:50] Remind me what the total

[4:47:52] acreage of this property is.

[4:47:59] >> it is 22.4.

[4:48:00] >> Yesli Vega: how many stacked

[4:48:01] buildings are we talking about.

[4:48:05] >> we are looking at the 242.

[4:48:07] In terms of the buildings were

[4:48:07] the units?

[4:48:08] I'm sorry.

[4:48:12] >> Yesli Vega: the buildings.

[4:48:14] >> looking at the sticks

[4:48:20] .

[4:48:21] >> Yesli Vega: let me make it

[4:48:22] easier.

[4:48:22] What percentage of the project

[4:48:23] is composed of stacked

[4:48:24] buildings?

[4:48:26] >> probably 80 percent.

[4:48:30] >> Yesli Vega: okay.

[4:48:36] You answered questions in

[4:48:37] regards to proffers for schools

[4:48:43] and traffic.

[4:48:44] There was a comment made that

[4:48:45] the pmr standards are outdated.

[4:48:49] Can you expand on that?

[4:48:50] >> maybe the applicant could

[4:48:50] expand.

[4:48:51] I know that we often get

[4:48:54] waivers to meet current market

[4:48:55] demands and development trends

[4:48:59] .

[4:49:00] Pmr, it's not uncommon to have

[4:49:07] waivers that go with that.

[4:49:08] One could say they are outdated

[4:49:08] that I can't say that one way

[4:49:10] or the other.

[4:49:11] They are intended to have more

[4:49:21] flexibility.

[4:49:21] >> Yesli Vega: yup MS.

[4:49:22] Washington behind to.

[4:49:23] >> as part of the comprehensive

[4:49:24] update, one of our big

[4:49:26] objectives is to update the

[4:49:26] zoning ordinance in full

[4:49:27] alignment with the

[4:49:30] comprehensive plan and as a

[4:49:30] part of the scope of work we

[4:49:34] will be looking up.

[4:49:34] And actually, we already

[4:49:37] provided to our consultant of a

[4:49:38] sample of the waivers we see

[4:49:47] frequently.

[4:49:48] Related to the issues in terms

[4:49:49] of zoning ordinance standards

[4:49:50] and how they do or don't meet

[4:49:51] with the policy goals of the

[4:49:53] comprehensive plan

[4:49:53] .

[4:49:54] Pmr being a good example

[4:49:55] because we see that often with

[4:49:58] these types of applications

[4:49:58] .

[4:49:59] That is something we are

[4:50:06] looking at so we can bring the

[4:50:07] zoning ordinance standards a

[4:50:07] better alignment with the

[4:50:08] company and supplant and reduce

[4:50:16] the need for waivers for these

[4:50:17] types of circumstances.

[4:50:17] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.

[4:50:18] Back to you, scott.

[4:50:19] You mentioned the concerns that

[4:50:20] led to the planning commission

[4:50:22] denial of this application and

[4:50:23] you highlighted some.

[4:50:24] I see there are two proffers

[4:50:24] listed.

[4:50:26] Or at least highlighted.

[4:50:31] I know that there are more out

[4:50:31] of the 21 is being accepted

[4:50:41] with contingencies and the

[4:50:42] other one stop does not support

[4:50:43] as submitted.

[4:50:44] No, I do know that there is a

[4:50:45] request for waiver in regards

[4:50:49] to parking but for public

[4:50:50] record and awareness, can you

[4:50:51] talk to me about the parking

[4:50:52] situation?

[4:50:53] >> the site as proposed

[4:51:03] , they

[4:51:04] are providing 40 or 50 spaces.

[4:51:05] >> Yesli Vega: it is going

[4:51:05] over?

[4:51:06] >> yes.

[4:51:07] Based on the minimum

[4:51:08] requirements because with these

[4:51:09] condo developments parking is a

[4:51:11] concern on site

[4:51:11] .

[4:51:14] >> Yesli Vega: okay.

[4:51:15] And then the last question I

[4:51:19] have is in regards to buffers

[4:51:19] .

[4:51:20] You talked a lot about the

[4:51:20] buffers and I know that was a

[4:51:24] point of great discussion

[4:51:27] during the pc hearing also.

[4:51:28] My concern stems, I know you

[4:51:31] talked about the buffer along

[4:51:32] the parkway, but I know we

[4:51:36] received concerns in regards to

[4:51:37] the buffer that abuts the

[4:51:40] commercial property.

[4:51:41] Based on my understanding of

[4:51:47] your comments, this has been a

[4:51:48] request made but I guess we

[4:51:48] haven't been able to reach

[4:51:52] common ground?

[4:51:52] >> that is correct.

[4:51:53] We feel it should be increased

[4:51:56] to 50 feet.

[4:51:57] >> Yesli Vega: those are all

[4:51:58] the questions I have for now.

[4:52:00] Thank you.

[4:52:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:52:02] does anyone else on the dais

[4:52:04] have questions?

[4:52:04] All right.

[4:52:06] If not, I'm going to go ahead

[4:52:10] and open the public hearing for

[4:52:23] agenda item 13 a and that is

[4:52:23] maple valley road to.

[4:52:24] I already have a list of people

[4:52:25] who have signed up to speak in

[4:52:26] person and I'm sure there are

[4:52:26] more.

[4:52:27] I'm going to call you in groups

[4:52:29] of five.

[4:52:30] You have three minutes.

[4:52:31] If you are with an organization

[4:52:32] recognized by the board you

[4:52:35] have five minutes and we cannot

[4:52:35] have two people from the

[4:52:40] organization.

[4:52:40] Would like to start with MR.

[4:52:41] Martin, delta nichols

[4:52:44] , larry

[4:52:46] brenneman

[4:52:50] , chris cummings and

[4:52:58] then jessica francis.

[4:52:59] Would like to remind everyone

[4:53:00] to make sure you state your

[4:53:11] name clearly and in the

[4:53:12] magisterial district where you

[4:53:12] aside.

[4:53:13] You don't need to give your

[4:53:14] home address it.

[4:53:15] Make sure you adjust the

[4:53:15] microphone so we can hear you.

[4:53:28] That is very important.

[4:53:28] >> good evening.

[4:53:31] My name is martin.

[4:53:32] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:53:36] adjust the microphone.

[4:53:36] >> my name is martin.

[4:53:38] I live in the occoquan district

[4:53:42] and me representing the civic

[4:53:42] association and I would like

[4:53:44] the extended time if I could.

[4:53:45] I want to welcome MR. Stewart

[4:53:47] to the board

[4:53:48] .

[4:53:49] I look forward to working with

[4:53:54] you.

[4:53:54] Ready had a fairly short

[4:53:55] conversation but looking

[4:53:56] forward to working with you in

[4:53:56] the future.

[4:53:58] Want to thank the applicant

[4:53:59] coming ultimate county civic

[4:54:01] association and sharing the

[4:54:06] information on the program.

[4:54:07] We digested their information

[4:54:10] and took a look at the project

[4:54:11] and send a letter to the board

[4:54:12] previously from the mid-county

[4:54:14] association in prince william

[4:54:15] county conservation alliance

[4:54:20] asking that you deny the

[4:54:20] application.

[4:54:21] And I want to go into some

[4:54:23] reasons why.

[4:54:24] Just a little background on

[4:54:27] this area

[4:54:28] .

[4:54:29] And referring to the slide I

[4:54:30] have appear now, the area was

[4:54:35] previously in the comp plan

[4:54:36] before this was all semi-rural

[4:54:38] residential.

[4:54:39] Including the parcels were

[4:54:45] maple valley road is.

[4:54:45] That semirural residential is

[4:54:46] 2.5 acres for home average

[4:54:55] density in a course the one we

[4:54:56] have now is five acres per

[4:54:56] home.

[4:54:57] It has been recognized for a

[4:54:57] long time in the county

[4:54:58] combines a plan and even for

[4:54:59] the

[4:55:00] county combines and plan, and

[4:55:01] this area of the county is

[4:55:05] environment lease incident in

[4:55:05] is the watershed area that

[4:55:06] should be protected such as

[4:55:07] fairfax county did many, many

[4:55:09] years ago in the area on the

[4:55:11] occoquan.

[4:55:21] So this area was in the srr but

[4:55:22] for whatever reason in the new

[4:55:23] comprehensive plan that was put

[4:55:23] into a much higher density

[4:55:26] designation which is mu3.

[4:55:28] We don't agree with that

[4:55:30] change.

[4:55:31] We think this creates a

[4:55:37] situation where you have a

[4:55:38] transition that is really

[4:55:39] unworkable between the mu3

[4:55:41] designation and the designation

[4:55:42] which is one home per five

[4:55:44] acres

[4:55:45] .

[4:55:46] It is hard to have a transition

[4:55:46] between that much of a

[4:55:55] difference in these density

[4:55:56] recommendations.

[4:55:57] And I might mention that the

[4:55:57] maple valley grove project is

[4:55:58] right at the top of the density

[4:55:59] range and so we have a range

[4:56:00] and I will talk about that in a

[4:56:02] minute.

[4:56:03] But the project is right at the

[4:56:09] top of that.

[4:56:10] From the very beginning we

[4:56:11] didn't see a way forward.

[4:56:12] We like to work with the

[4:56:12] applicants, would like to work

[4:56:21] with the community and make

[4:56:22] improvements to a project, but

[4:56:22] it was so far out of scale what

[4:56:23] was around that we didn't feel

[4:56:24] we could do that with the

[4:56:33] application.

[4:56:33] So since it is in mu3 we have

[4:56:36] to recognize the reality of the

[4:56:37] situation and it is in the comp

[4:56:39] plan so developers are going to

[4:56:39] develop based on that.

[4:56:40] Was sober, going to the lower

[4:56:41] end of the density range in a

[4:56:41] situation like this where you

[4:56:42] are in an area where young much

[4:56:43] lower density

[4:56:44] around it.

[4:56:45] They provide for a better

[4:56:46] transition to the other areas,

[4:56:47] other parcels.

[4:56:48] And it would also enable the

[4:56:49] applicant to do some things the

[4:56:53] staff is wanting to do with

[4:56:54] larger buffers.

[4:56:55] It would enable them to

[4:57:01] preserve more of the trees.

[4:57:02] If you talk to your arborist

[4:57:03] you will find that this parcel

[4:57:08] is completely wooded it with

[4:57:09] the good-quality forest.

[4:57:10] So this project would involve

[4:57:11] clearcutting most of the woods

[4:57:13] and it would involve a lot of

[4:57:17] impervious surfaces added to

[4:57:18] this project.

[4:57:18] We would look, going to the

[4:57:19] lower end of the density scale

[4:57:25] and that would enable you to

[4:57:26] protect a lot of the sensitive

[4:57:39] forest and less impervious

[4:57:39] surfaces and make a better

[4:57:41] transition to the surrounding

[4:57:41] areas.

[4:57:42] We did talk briefly to the

[4:57:43] applicant about the any meeting

[4:57:44] and that wasn't something new

[4:57:44] that

[4:57:46] they were interested in

[4:57:46] doing.

[4:57:47] I just will say along with

[4:57:48] their planning commission who

[4:57:49] did recommend denial, and of

[4:57:50] course they were deadlocked and

[4:57:52] they went ahead and moved it

[4:57:52] forward to.

[4:57:53] But they did recommend denial

[4:57:54] and also prince william

[4:57:55] conservation alliance I sent a

[4:57:58] letter recommending denial.

[4:57:59] That is our position on this.

[4:58:01] We appreciate the time and I

[4:58:02] will see you again in a few

[4:58:03] minutes.

[4:58:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[4:58:08] next speaker, please.

[4:58:09] >> Public Speaker: good

[4:58:15] evening.

[4:58:15] For that I request five

[4:58:16] minutes, please.

[4:58:20] Hopefully he to you is doing

[4:58:21] well.

[4:58:29] The maple valley grove, this

[4:58:30] proposed development is

[4:58:36] proposed in the wrong location.

[4:58:37] The idea of a development

[4:58:38] nothing against it but the

[4:58:38] location is not good.

[4:58:39] When you think about the high

[4:58:43] density and being in the middle

[4:58:50] of a transportation desert, it

[4:58:51] just doesn't add up.

[4:58:53] We hear people talk about walk

[4:58:55] ability.

[4:59:02] walk ability is a big variable.

[4:59:03] If you live in a community you

[4:59:04] a favorite spot that you want

[4:59:06] to go.

[4:59:07] Of your favorite grocery store,

[4:59:11] you of your favorite hardware

[4:59:12] store, so on and so forth.

[4:59:16] And you MAY not

[4:59:16] , the people MAY

[4:59:19] not want to go and shop any of

[4:59:20] these businesses right next to

[4:59:24] it.

[4:59:25] And so when you think about

[4:59:28] walk ability

[4:59:34] , let's be real.

[4:59:41] It is only a theory.

[4:59:42] Now, this area is already

[4:59:46] overly saturated with traffic.

[4:59:47] And when I came over here of

[4:59:48] 5:30 P.M. This evening so I

[4:59:49] could sign up to speak

[4:59:50] , on the

[4:59:52] principle william parkway

[4:59:59] backup coming for manassas was

[5:00:00] just about a half-mile.

[5:00:01] And when you think about that

[5:00:03] kind of congestion which is

[5:00:05] typical for basically any day

[5:00:09] of the week.

[5:00:14] That is not acceptable.

[5:00:17] Why would we want to pack I

[5:00:20] high density development with

[5:00:28] 274 units into an already over

[5:00:29] saturated intersection of a

[5:00:31] parkway

[5:00:31] .

[5:00:37] Now, keep in mind that the

[5:00:38] mosque is going to expand in

[5:00:41] the future.

[5:00:42] You are going to have even more

[5:00:44] traffic.

[5:00:44] And so I think we need to think

[5:00:50] this through very clearly and

[5:00:50] not be prone to say yes just

[5:00:54] because someone asks the

[5:00:56] question.

[5:01:02] To consider the location

[5:01:02] , this

[5:01:03] location, it's likening to

[5:01:06] trying to hammer a round peg

[5:01:09] into a square hole.

[5:01:10] When you think about this,

[5:01:14] there are a lot of other areas

[5:01:19] in the county in which this

[5:01:20] would be the ideal development.

[5:01:21] Ideally among transportation

[5:01:22] hubs

[5:01:22] .

[5:01:27] And I can never figure out why

[5:01:33] we sometimes seem to consider

[5:01:33] developments in isolation from

[5:01:34] some of the other factors that

[5:01:38] are interlocked.

[5:01:38] They are interwoven in the same

[5:01:39] campus.

[5:01:45] He can't consider one

[5:01:46] without the other.

[5:01:48] You can consider building

[5:01:49] houses without considering the

[5:01:52] transportation because in the

[5:01:54] process of doing that, and

[5:01:59] create a larger problem than

[5:02:00] the overused phrase the

[5:02:06] unintended consequences

[5:02:08] .

[5:02:08] The truth of the matter is

[5:02:09] you're going to have to come

[5:02:10] back later and fix those and

[5:02:11] they are going to cost you more

[5:02:13] , cost us more later than they

[5:02:15] do today.

[5:02:21] Maple valley grove would place

[5:02:23] a lot of pressure on this small

[5:02:26] corner of the county.

[5:02:27] Oversaturation in this

[5:02:32] particular location already

[5:02:36] suffering from congestion and

[5:02:37] vehicles.

[5:02:38] The planning commission as it

[5:02:45] was stated already recommended

[5:02:46] disapproval and asks you to

[5:02:47] please consider the big

[5:02:53] picture.

[5:02:54] Don't consider this in

[5:02:55] isolation, considerate with

[5:02:55] all

[5:02:56] the pieces that go together

[5:02:57] that make up the whole.

[5:02:57] 'm

[5:02:57] under the impression now that

[5:03:06] we perhaps consider one or two

[5:03:07] pieces of this in disregarding

[5:03:08] the whole.

[5:03:09] Think about the consequences of

[5:03:12] it just MAY not be so positive.

[5:03:13] So I am asking you to vote no.

[5:03:24] Thank you.

[5:03:25] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:03:26] thank you.

[5:03:26] Can you

[5:03:26] hold on?

[5:03:27] We are not going to have any

[5:03:28] outburst of applause.

[5:03:28] Second of all, if you can say

[5:03:29] the magisterial district where

[5:03:30] you reside, it's very

[5:03:31] important we get everyone's

[5:03:32] name and where they reside

[5:03:32] .

[5:03:33] >> Public Speaker: I thought

[5:03:35] already said that, but I reside

[5:03:40] in the occoquan district

[5:03:41] .

[5:03:42] Supervisor kenny boddye is my

[5:03:42] supervisor.

[5:03:46] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:03:46] you don't need to give your

[5:03:48] address.

[5:03:58] Unless you want me to show up.

[5:03:59] >> Public Speaker: my wife just

[5:04:00] made some cookies.

[5:04:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:04:02] that's not what I need.

[5:04:03] Say your name and magisterial

[5:04:03] district.

[5:04:05] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[5:04:05] larry.

[5:04:08] I'm in the coles district I'm

[5:04:09] just a resident.

[5:04:11] I would ask the board to vote

[5:04:12] no on the current versions of

[5:04:15] the projects pick up relays we

[5:04:27] are talking about maple growly

[5:04:28] grove, but as the previous

[5:04:29] speaker spoke about, hoadley

[5:04:29] square is abutted right up to

[5:04:30] this project so just as the

[5:04:31] principal the planning

[5:04:35] commission have done.

[5:04:36] I understand progress and I in

[5:04:44] in favor of it, however,

[5:04:44] progress should be

[5:04:45] strategically planned.

[5:04:46] Stay within the confines of

[5:04:47] previous planning and do what

[5:04:48] is right for the surrounding

[5:04:49] area as well as prince william

[5:04:49] county.

[5:04:50] These housing projects do not

[5:04:53] fit in the locations proposed.

[5:04:54] Other board approved projects

[5:04:55] such as trenton falls fit into

[5:04:58] hunter's ridge in lake

[5:05:07] communities.

[5:05:08] Although two separate projects,

[5:05:09] hoadley square in maple valley

[5:05:09] should not be considered in

[5:05:12] isolation.

[5:05:12] Instead of 40+ homes covering

[5:05:14] 81 acres about these

[5:05:15] properties, these projects

[5:05:17] proposed 553 housing units

[5:05:23] combined.

[5:05:24] This introduces an overwhelming

[5:05:24] amount of traffic and has of

[5:05:25] our middle and school

[5:05:26] implications and then I propose

[5:05:34] projects I kings grove, the

[5:05:34] mosque expansion, you

[5:05:35] completely inundated and

[5:05:43] overwhelmed hoadley road.

[5:05:44] Not sure about the parkway but

[5:05:45] I assume it will be overwhelmed

[5:05:45] as well.

[5:05:47] I live in pencil and county

[5:05:48] since 1983.

[5:05:48] But my first home in 1989.

[5:05:48] Y

[5:05:49] second home just down the road

[5:05:55] in 2013.

[5:05:56] We use hoadley road and prince

[5:05:56] william every day.

[5:05:57] My life and I would love to

[5:05:57] retire here.

[5:05:59] Please vote no on the current

[5:06:00] versions of the projects.

[5:06:07] Said the applicant back and

[5:06:08] stay in the prince william

[5:06:09] county 2040 comprehensive plan

[5:06:10] and as parameters and protect

[5:06:11] our water resources.

[5:06:11] Thank you.

[5:06:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:06:20] next speaker, please.

[5:06:21] >> Public Speaker: good evening

[5:06:22] members of the board of

[5:06:22] supervisors.

[5:06:23] My name is christopher

[5:06:23] cummings.

[5:06:26] I live in the occoquan

[5:06:27] magisterial district and I have

[5:06:31] been there since 1996.

[5:06:31] It seems recently all we get

[5:06:32] our increased taxes, or data

[5:06:35] centers, and more high density

[5:06:49] housing.

[5:06:50] The maple valley grove proposal

[5:06:51] if passed will, I believe,

[5:06:52] impose unreasonable burdens on

[5:06:53] the transportation

[5:06:53] infrastructure as well as a

[5:06:54] watershed area that buffers the

[5:06:55] occoquan reservoir.

[5:06:56] Identity housing should be

[5:06:57] steered to areas with high

[5:06:57] capacity transit like vre nodes

[5:06:58] and not to major road in the

[5:07:03] sections already heavily

[5:07:03] burdened with traffic.

[5:07:06] The impact on schools has been

[5:07:07] mentioned here, but the

[5:07:10] solution town tenuous and iffy

[5:07:12] to me.

[5:07:15] Is a crucial consideration.

[5:07:16] A huge amount of impervious

[5:07:21] surfaces in the hoadley prince

[5:07:22] william pkwy. Area detract from

[5:07:23] the watershed and threaten

[5:07:32] those of us nearby who depend

[5:07:32] on well water from our homes.

[5:07:33] It matters the planning

[5:07:34] commission at a lotta concerns

[5:07:37] about this, but that only tells

[5:07:37] part of the story.

[5:07:38] I think this is an ill-advised

[5:07:40] plan and should be denied and I

[5:07:48] ask you vote no

[5:07:48] .

[5:07:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:07:50] next speaker.

[5:07:50] ask everyone speaking make sure

[5:07:51] the microphone is close so we

[5:07:52] can hear you.

[5:07:54] >> Public Speaker: good

[5:07:54] evening.

[5:07:55] My name is jessica and I am an

[5:08:03] occoquan resident and I am

[5:08:03] happy to call prince william

[5:08:04] county my home.

[5:08:05] Appear to speak about both

[5:08:06] maple valley grove and hoadley

[5:08:07] square since they are together

[5:08:10] at this point.

[5:08:11] I know something I will say.

[5:08:12] People touched on the impacts.

[5:08:13] I was at the pc meeting as well

[5:08:14] and thought it was really

[5:08:14] important they shared.

[5:08:17] It was a 1000 percent impact,

[5:08:18] which I thought was really

[5:08:19] minimal.

[5:08:24] I think both these communities

[5:08:25] my thought is being close to

[5:08:25] existing retail, commercial,

[5:08:32] businesses I shop at, I'm

[5:08:33] happy to see that they are near

[5:08:34] businesses like that that I

[5:08:34] want to stick around and be

[5:08:44] supported in the long-term.

[5:08:45] I think that makes a sensible

[5:08:46] fit for where it is at work on

[5:08:47] a personal note I am a parent

[5:08:48] of a to and half-year-old so I

[5:08:48] care deeply about crating

[5:08:50] places my to and half-year-old

[5:08:50] can be raised.

[5:08:51] Want to be here for the

[5:08:51] long-term so I hope when you

[5:08:52] think about the projects which

[5:08:59] I'm in support of because they

[5:09:00] of amenities and are close to

[5:09:01] the shopping that you guys

[5:09:02] think about invoices like us

[5:09:03] who want to live here for the

[5:09:03] next

[5:09:04] 20 to 30 years and I

[5:09:04] appreciate your time today.

[5:09:05] >>

[5:09:06] Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor: I

[5:09:06] should have called up my next a

[5:09:07] bunch.

[5:09:07] Shley, norman, gary

[5:09:20] o'brien and paul howard.

[5:09:24] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[5:09:25] norman stone.

[5:09:26] I live in the occoquan

[5:09:29] district.

[5:09:30] I would like to mention

[5:09:31] something we are talking about

[5:09:33] tree buffers and other things.

[5:09:40] Walkways to the shopping

[5:09:40] center.

[5:09:41] The most important things are

[5:09:46] the traffic, number of cars in

[5:09:47] the hoadley square develop an

[5:09:47] is going to bring.

[5:09:48] It's already tough getting out

[5:09:49] of my neighborhood which is

[5:09:53] lost creek court.

[5:09:54] During friday you would be

[5:09:55] lucky to get out within 30

[5:09:58] minutes.

[5:09:59] I don't know where they got the

[5:10:03] numbers of prince william pkwy.

[5:10:03] Only being a five second delay

[5:10:04] on a car.

[5:10:07] What world do they live in?

[5:10:10] And also, the schools

[5:10:20] .

[5:10:21] There were statements about

[5:10:22] overcrowding and if they could

[5:10:23] handle this development and I

[5:10:23] didn't hear

[5:10:24] it a clear answer

[5:10:25] what the future would bring.

[5:10:26] Virginia is doing the study on

[5:10:30] hoadley road now, but they

[5:10:31] haven't come up with any

[5:10:32] solution we are talking about

[5:10:37] adding more problems to the

[5:10:37] road.

[5:10:38] Wouldn't it be wise to get the

[5:10:43] first solution corrected before

[5:10:44] we start adding anymore

[5:10:45] possible traffic?

[5:10:45] Something that is going to be

[5:10:51] here forever.

[5:10:51] If you approve the project and

[5:10:52] they start it, there's no

[5:10:53] turning back.

[5:10:54] we might lose water also in the

[5:10:55] reservoir across the occoquan

[5:11:00] reservoir and it seems there is

[5:11:00] more loss of water than gaining

[5:11:02] of water.

[5:11:03] That should be important to the

[5:11:04] board.

[5:11:07] Traffic, schools and water

[5:11:07] .

[5:11:11] Thank you.

[5:11:12] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:11:20] next speaker, please

[5:11:20] .

[5:11:21] >> Public Speaker: good

[5:11:21] evening.

[5:11:22] My name is ashley.

[5:11:24] Speaking on the half of the

[5:11:25] prince william conservation

[5:11:26] alliance and I request five

[5:11:27] minutes and I'm from the

[5:11:30] occoquan district.

[5:11:31] So the principle of them

[5:11:32] conservation alliances and

[5:11:38] environmental nonprofit.

[5:11:39] We've been operational for 20

[5:11:40] years in the county and we

[5:11:41] focus on creating equitable and

[5:11:42] sustainable communities

[5:11:43] throughout our wonderful

[5:11:49] county.

[5:11:50] So martin outlined the lot of

[5:11:50] the main points I wanted to

[5:11:51] hit, but there are a couple

[5:11:53] things I wanted to mention in

[5:11:55] highlight again.

[5:12:03] In relation to maple valley

[5:12:03] grove proposal.

[5:12:06] First, the site is forested and

[5:12:07] it is located in the occoquan

[5:12:11] reservoir watershed.

[5:12:12] So from an environmental

[5:12:15] perspective there's no

[5:12:16] environmental reason why the

[5:12:19] parcel was excluded from the

[5:12:21] occoquan reservoir protection

[5:12:29] area when it was created it was

[5:12:33] upland for development.

[5:12:34] As a result we are facing a

[5:12:38] proposal that would pretty much

[5:12:39] clear cut and percent of an

[5:12:43] intact forest in the watershed

[5:12:44] that supplies the drinking

[5:12:49] water up to a million

[5:12:49] residents.

[5:12:50] We keep seeing this erosion

[5:12:52] across the county.

[5:12:55] Is parcel is located and what

[5:12:56] they are referring to as so

[5:13:01] forest built

[5:13:02] .

[5:13:03] And actually, if I can get this

[5:13:07] little do hickey here we can

[5:13:22] see it together.

[5:13:23] This is the forest built.

[5:13:24] Anyway, we will have to go with

[5:13:25] it but the light green area is

[5:13:25] the force belt that extends

[5:13:26] from prince william forest all

[5:13:37] the way in the fairfax and it

[5:13:38] protects most the headwaters of

[5:13:39] the streams that flow toward

[5:13:40] the eastern end.

[5:13:40] Neabsco creek.

[5:13:41] I am sure I am leaving.

[5:13:42] But also the area in the

[5:13:43] reservoir.

[5:13:50] So this proposal represents

[5:13:55] further outward expansion

[5:13:55] .

[5:13:56] Those red areas on the map end

[5:13:57] of the landscapes that play a

[5:13:58] critical roll protecting our

[5:14:02] waterways.

[5:14:03] Each of these decisions MAY

[5:14:06] seem small but collectively

[5:14:06] they add up to a steady

[5:14:08] erosion.

[5:14:11] From a small group perspective

[5:14:12] we would prefer to see the type

[5:14:14] of development in higher

[5:14:15] density directed to the red

[5:14:19] areas and areas of a structure

[5:14:27] exists and we can build a

[5:14:28] critical mass needed to support

[5:14:29] existing public transit hubs

[5:14:31] walkable communities.

[5:14:32] Rather than continue to push

[5:14:33] develop an outward.

[5:14:34] Which

[5:14:38] undermines those goals.

[5:14:38] of the proposal MAY be

[5:14:39] consistent with the

[5:14:41] comprehensive plan, it reflects

[5:14:47] the long-standing pattern of

[5:14:48] wood locks and agriculture

[5:14:49] lands because it easier and

[5:14:49] more profitable to do so the

[5:15:01] redevelopment.

[5:15:02] Phone as we fill meaningful

[5:15:03] incentives for redevelopment or

[5:15:04] incentivized conservation, this

[5:15:04] is the types of things we will

[5:15:08] be continuing to seek and get

[5:15:09] someone to lead with what if we

[5:15:10] had a goal of maintaining our

[5:15:12] existing tree cover

[5:15:12] introduction seriously.

[5:15:18] How would be billed than what

[5:15:19] if we had a goal to reduce salt

[5:15:20] in the occoquan reservoir and

[5:15:21] what would development look

[5:15:30] like if that was our goal.

[5:15:31] Pw see accreted the vision to

[5:15:32] start to play with these

[5:15:32] questions and so much more in

[5:15:36] this application should

[5:15:37] consider reducing the density

[5:15:38] so we can cluster and protect

[5:15:39] more the tree covered at the

[5:15:39] very least.

[5:15:42] Thank you very much

[5:15:42] .

[5:15:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:15:47] next speaker, please.

[5:15:53] >> Public Speaker: name is paul

[5:15:53] howard.

[5:15:54] I have lived in the occoquan

[5:15:56] area since 1987 and I am

[5:15:57] currently a resident in the

[5:15:59] forest development of lost

[5:16:03] creek ct.

[5:16:04] The addition of high density

[5:16:13] housing on the corner of

[5:16:13] trenton and the parkway is

[5:16:14] going to greet an additional

[5:16:14] nightmare.

[5:16:15] I'm not too sure where the five

[5:16:16] top five seconds comes from,

[5:16:19] but it took me almost 8 minutes

[5:16:20] to make a left turn from the

[5:16:21] parkway onto hoadley yesterday

[5:16:25] evening.

[5:16:25] I'm not sure how that

[5:16:29] translates to 5.5 seconds.

[5:16:30] There are a lot of things to

[5:16:31] like about these developments.

[5:16:35] The low cost housing for

[5:16:37] believers responders that live

[5:16:42] in the county.

[5:16:43] Is much better places to put

[5:16:47] these.

[5:16:48] Hopefully near transportation

[5:16:48] hub.

[5:16:49] I have the misfortune of

[5:16:50] trying to get the bus to

[5:16:53] potomac mills from the trenton

[5:16:55] bus stop and it took an hour.

[5:16:57] I don't consider that practical

[5:17:09] for people living in these

[5:17:10] proposed developments to use

[5:17:11] public transport.

[5:17:11] We are going to have to use

[5:17:12] cars and as far as the walk

[5:17:13] ability to the shopping center,

[5:17:17] I don't want to be loading bags

[5:17:18] from harris teeter all the way

[5:17:25] back to my house on the hoadley

[5:17:26] square or the other

[5:17:26] development.

[5:17:37] That's not going to happen.

[5:17:37] No one will do the shopping and

[5:17:39] then lug it all back to the

[5:17:40] house that is just not the way

[5:17:40] it works will be realistic

[5:17:41] about that.

[5:17:42] You could talk about 50 feet,

[5:17:42] 30 feet.

[5:17:43] Another 20 feet when you're

[5:17:44] carrying your groceries doesn't

[5:17:50] really matter.

[5:17:50] I'm not in favor of either of

[5:17:56] these developments and I think

[5:17:57] we could be moved much better

[5:17:58] locations in the county near

[5:17:59] transportation hubs where

[5:18:02] people can use transportation

[5:18:06] to get to jobs and shops, etc.

[5:18:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:18:18] next speaker, please.

[5:18:19] >> Public Speaker: thank you

[5:18:20] for this opportunity.

[5:18:21] My name is gary o'brien.

[5:18:21] I'm from the coles district.

[5:18:24] The proposed rezoning of the

[5:18:28] occoquan reserve protection

[5:18:35] area proposed trenton amico

[5:18:36] valley grove development brings

[5:18:37] back disturbing memories of the

[5:18:39] initial rezoning in the rural

[5:18:42] crescent in 2001 for the 305

[5:18:52] acre preserve at long branch.

[5:18:53] Some of you remember that.

[5:18:54] First of all, calling it a

[5:18:55] preserve is an oxymoron.

[5:18:55] Every buildable portion was

[5:18:56] stripped of trees.

[5:18:57] The argument was it would they

[5:19:02] be

[5:19:05] , it would subsequently be

[5:19:06] used by developers and their

[5:19:07] lawyers as a precedent for more

[5:19:08] rezoning within the rural

[5:19:09] crescent watershed.

[5:19:10] Investment

[5:19:11] co. And the prince william

[5:19:12] conservation alliance and

[5:19:14] others not correctly predicted

[5:19:14] with any of the supervisors

[5:19:15] voted to eliminate the rural

[5:19:19] crescent 170,000 acres or 52

[5:19:20] percent of the county landmass

[5:19:20] ,

[5:19:25] which removed substantial

[5:19:27] portion of the occoquan

[5:19:28] watershed from adequate

[5:19:32] protection.

[5:19:38] What we didn't foresee was

[5:19:39] homebuilders like selling their

[5:19:42] rezoning linda data centers

[5:19:43] which are exploding with

[5:19:44] general crescent another

[5:19:44] formally protected watershed

[5:19:45] areas are protected watershed

[5:19:57] acres are gone forever.

[5:19:58] Like I said, here we go again.

[5:19:59] There once again saying it's a

[5:20:00] small intrusion into a newly

[5:20:01] created for much-needed

[5:20:06] housing.

[5:20:07] Exact excuse used last time.

[5:20:08] the only difference at this

[5:20:08] time it was argued was we

[5:20:09] needed the upscale housing to

[5:20:12] attract industry

[5:20:17] .

[5:20:17] Boy did that backfire.

[5:20:18] It sad to watch decision so

[5:20:23] shortsighted the provide

[5:20:24] instant gratification of the

[5:20:25] cost of painful and expensive

[5:20:28] subsequent outcomes will live

[5:20:29] to regret putting highly

[5:20:34] density housing lynn takes away

[5:20:36] more water absorbing critically

[5:20:37] needed resources reducing

[5:20:41] flooding, rapid water runoff

[5:20:43] scours the stream thanks which

[5:20:48] filled the occoquan reducing

[5:20:49] the amount of water it can hold

[5:20:51] as well as reduce its water

[5:20:51] quality.

[5:20:54] Rainstorms are getting more

[5:20:59] severe globally.

[5:21:00] If he continued to pay over the

[5:21:03] critical forest as well as not

[5:21:04] update our stormwater

[5:21:08] management guidelines, we are

[5:21:09] asking for more trouble ahead.

[5:21:10] The proposed projects would

[5:21:11] further permanently harm the

[5:21:13] occoquan reservoir they don't

[5:21:21] allow for enough tree buffers

[5:21:22] there are not enough classroom

[5:21:23] seats available for high

[5:21:23] density housing.

[5:21:26] That threatens nearby woods and

[5:21:27] it is too far for mass transit

[5:21:28] and would further exacerbate

[5:21:29] the problems in prince william

[5:21:29] pkwy.

[5:21:39] Thank you.

[5:21:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:21:41] I'm going to call the next

[5:21:42] group but I do ask, this is

[5:21:43] going to be a very long night.

[5:21:43] Particularly for people

[5:21:44] speaking on all the cases

[5:21:46] tonight.

[5:21:47] I'm going to ask for decorum.

[5:21:47] When your time is up be

[5:21:48] respectful because we have a

[5:21:49] number of people who want to

[5:21:50] speak and I know no one wants

[5:21:51] to stay here until zero dark

[5:21:54] 30.

[5:21:54] I hope no one wants to stay

[5:21:58] here until zero dark 30.

[5:21:59] Before get to the next speaker

[5:22:00] I will call up minnick stupid

[5:22:01] people.

[5:22:09] Paul, william, michael

[5:22:09] , clancy.

[5:22:10] If all of you all can go up

[5:22:11] there.

[5:22:14] You can go to the microphone.

[5:22:17] You can also adjust it.

[5:22:18] I want to make sure we hear you

[5:22:22] and everyone else.

[5:22:22] Just stay there.

[5:22:24] Don't move.

[5:22:28] You MAY begin.

[5:22:32] >> my name is anne stephenson

[5:22:33] and I reside in the occoquan

[5:22:35] district and my property is

[5:22:39] adjacent to the current horse

[5:22:41] farm that they would be hoadley

[5:22:43] square I came to the county in

[5:22:45] 1970.

[5:22:49] To teach school.

[5:22:51] Dale boulevard ended at derby

[5:22:56] dale at the time

[5:22:56] .

[5:22:57] Lived in my current health

[5:23:00] since 1990

[5:23:00] .

[5:23:03] I have seen the widening in

[5:23:04] forcing the building of the

[5:23:09] parkway

[5:23:09] .

[5:23:14] I've seen it all actually.

[5:23:14] The two projects together, it's

[5:23:15] hard to talk about one without

[5:23:20] talking about the other

[5:23:21] .

[5:23:22] There are good developments but

[5:23:27] not on this area.

[5:23:27] Not for the kind of land they

[5:23:28] would be built on and not the

[5:23:33] traffic it's going to

[5:23:33] exacerbate.

[5:23:34] the clearcutting of the maple

[5:23:39] valley grove area is

[5:23:40] disturbing.

[5:23:40] It's an environmentally

[5:23:44] sensitive area and we have had

[5:23:49] meetings over the last year or

[5:23:56] so within normal experts they

[5:23:57] feel the area should have been

[5:23:57] placed.

[5:24:01] It is very sensitive.

[5:24:05] As wetlands

[5:24:05] .

[5:24:07] It is close to our pas just

[5:24:17] like the horse farm area there

[5:24:17] .

[5:24:18] Whatever is done on the land

[5:24:19] maple valley grove will affect

[5:24:19] on down the area where the

[5:24:20] horse farm is and into our

[5:24:24] neighborhoods we are concerned

[5:24:30] about our wells into houses on

[5:24:33] the street already have had to

[5:24:39] redraw their wells.

[5:24:39] This is a sensitive issue and

[5:24:40] we have a right to be concerned

[5:24:48] with it.

[5:24:54] Added to that in the mosque

[5:24:56] expansion are unimaginable.

[5:24:59] Maple valley grove is going to

[5:25:00] be landlocked

[5:25:03] .

[5:25:04] Is only one road going into the

[5:25:07] and that is galveston.

[5:25:08] Galveston will also be the main

[5:25:11] road bringing the cars in and

[5:25:17] out of hoadley square.

[5:25:18] You can imagine all the people

[5:25:20] in the morning and at night

[5:25:21] coming down to galveston trying

[5:25:23] to get out.

[5:25:24] Is a light but there's also

[5:25:25] another new light thereby the

[5:25:37] mosque when you and the parkway

[5:25:37] very close.

[5:25:38] He traffic jams

[5:25:39] and gridlock are going to start

[5:25:39] on galveston pour out

[5:25:39] .

[5:25:40] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:25:41] thank you.

[5:25:41] your time is up.

[5:25:49] Next speaker.

[5:25:50] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[5:25:50] bill.

[5:25:51] I've lived here for 30 years in

[5:26:00] the occoquan district.

[5:26:01] The planning commission denied

[5:26:01] this I'm sure for

[5:26:01] great reasons.

[5:26:09] You got that against it.

[5:26:11] The biggest thing for me is the

[5:26:11] traffic congestion.

[5:26:11] T's a zoo

[5:26:12] out there already.

[5:26:15] On fridays the mosque has a lot

[5:26:15] of people.

[5:26:16] And it does add half an hour.

[5:26:17] I would by the intersection of

[5:26:24] purcell and hoadley.

[5:26:25] When I have to get to the

[5:26:26] parkway going south toward old

[5:26:31] bridge, it's taking me forever

[5:26:33] .

[5:26:34] When I forget about it's friday

[5:26:35] afternoon, I'm in trouble.

[5:26:36] But you put in the light over

[5:26:45] there by the mosque which is

[5:26:46] great.

[5:26:46] The police are still out there

[5:26:47] for what eight hours?

[5:26:48] The start before noon they

[5:26:51] don't stop until after 5:00.

[5:26:52] It is not just one cop.

[5:26:53] Have a bunch of cars down the

[5:26:56] road and they are all there.

[5:26:56] Light is not doing it.

[5:26:59] I can't imagine what the

[5:27:00] intersection of galveston and

[5:27:02] hoadley will be like.

[5:27:02] The only way into and out of

[5:27:07] their

[5:27:08] .

[5:27:08] Women heading east and I have

[5:27:09] to get in there, that's the

[5:27:09] only way

[5:27:09] .

[5:27:12] When I want to go to frosty

[5:27:14] moose I have to thread my way

[5:27:20] over there

[5:27:20] .

[5:27:21] there are a couple ways but

[5:27:22] they are heading west if I want

[5:27:23] to turn around and go back

[5:27:26] toward the parkway I have to

[5:27:27] wait in the separate left-hand

[5:27:28] turning lane to turn around.

[5:27:29] Can there be a separate

[5:27:32] left-hand turning lane for the

[5:27:34] new intersection

[5:27:34] .

[5:27:34] There can.

[5:27:36] When you look at it the way you

[5:27:42] set it up now heading west on

[5:27:42] hoadley after galveston there

[5:27:47] is a left-hand turning lane.

[5:27:48] There's no way to backup a new

[5:27:52] left-hand separate turning lane

[5:27:52] to get into galveston.

[5:27:59] It is going to be a zoo and if

[5:28:00] they are talking about 3700

[5:28:01] additional trips out of

[5:28:05] galveston, that's insane.

[5:28:05] I don't know where the two

[5:28:07] percent figure came from, but I

[5:28:10] can imagine this place grew

[5:28:12] .

[5:28:14] It was a whole lot more than

[5:28:15] that.

[5:28:21] That is a little too much.

[5:28:22] I can't imagine that was

[5:28:22] happening.

[5:28:23] F it was the same

[5:28:25] density as the stuff near penn

[5:28:30] elementary, I guess that would

[5:28:31] work.

[5:28:31] But that's unbelievable.

[5:28:35] And there are other places.

[5:28:36] I have been up and back over by

[5:28:37] costco for the last couple

[5:28:38] weeks.

[5:28:38] On either side of ashton avenue

[5:28:43] .

[5:28:44] There are already constructed

[5:28:45] entrances into vacant land.

[5:28:51] It seems like nobody can be a

[5:28:51] good place.

[5:28:52] I very much hope you're getting

[5:28:53] rid of this thing.

[5:28:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:28:54] thank you.

[5:28:57] next speaker, please.

[5:29:00] Spoke on michael.

[5:29:05] On reside in occoquan district.

[5:29:08] I spent the last several weeks

[5:29:10] walking our communities.

[5:29:11] I have been taught over 300

[5:29:19] houses and universally every

[5:29:22] single person I talked to that

[5:29:23] I encounter walking dogs, they

[5:29:28] were shocked and irate when

[5:29:28] they found out the details of

[5:29:37] the two projects.

[5:29:38] Maple valley and hoadley

[5:29:38] square.

[5:29:39] Mostly speaking about maple

[5:29:39] valley.

[5:29:39] He density is what

[5:29:42] was shocking to them.

[5:29:43] They were appalled this is

[5:29:44] being considered for this place

[5:29:44] in the county.

[5:29:45] I grew up working for my father

[5:29:46] who owned a construction

[5:29:46] company.

[5:29:50] I know growth is a part of this

[5:29:51] county.

[5:29:51] I've been here since I was born

[5:29:58] 1979.

[5:29:58] My grandmother sat on the

[5:29:59] school board.

[5:30:01] I understand the challenges

[5:30:02] from having conversations

[5:30:03] across the dinner table.

[5:30:04] The fact the schools are

[5:30:04] looking up this the way they

[5:30:08] are on the fact when I talk to

[5:30:10] people that have a lived

[5:30:10] experience every

[5:30:11] day like myself

[5:30:14] , this didn't project in the

[5:30:19] shape it is today is being

[5:30:19] considered for a vote.

[5:30:20] It's horrifying to those of us

[5:30:23] who live here.

[5:30:24] I'm not saying l1 as he glanced

[5:30:29] exactly as it is.

[5:30:29] We grow.

[5:30:31] We improve the community around

[5:30:40] us.

[5:30:41] This particular project is too

[5:30:42] dense for the current

[5:30:47] transportation schools.

[5:30:48] What I would ask is to consider

[5:30:49] looking at things holistically

[5:30:51] against all the projects being

[5:30:51] considered an offer real world

[5:30:52] solutions.

[5:30:54] Turn lane for the parkway is a

[5:30:57] laughable solution.

[5:31:03] Look at what is being done with

[5:31:03] the overpass.

[5:31:05] That is a more recent solution.

[5:31:06] We need real solutions that

[5:31:14] exist today before the project

[5:31:15] is put in place.

[5:31:16] We have real challenges that

[5:31:16] need to be addressed.

[5:31:22] Thank you for my time.

[5:31:23] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:31:23] thank you.

[5:31:29] Next speaker, please.

[5:31:30] >> Margaret Angela Franklin:

[5:31:31] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[5:31:32] james highland park we recently

[5:31:33] relocated from the subdivision.

[5:31:36] My wife and I fell in love with

[5:31:39] the neighborhood 22 years ago.

[5:31:39] There was a horse farm in the

[5:31:44] bryson substation on hoadley

[5:31:44] road.

[5:31:44] Obviously things have changed

[5:31:48] quite a bit over the years.

[5:31:49] We couldn't handle the

[5:31:54] congestion and frustrations of

[5:31:55] the friday traffic alone, let

[5:31:56] alone all the other development

[5:31:57] proposals.

[5:32:06] We relocated to montclair.

[5:32:07] High density growth in a small

[5:32:07] congested sector is not

[5:32:08] intelligent, well-planned

[5:32:14] development.

[5:32:15] The result is a plethora of

[5:32:15] danger and safety concerns

[5:32:16] together with environmental and

[5:32:18] quality-of-life issues.

[5:32:18] The building codes developers

[5:32:25] must abide by.

[5:32:26] Although your transportation

[5:32:27] code sound accurate, I have to

[5:32:34] wonder about the practicality.

[5:32:35] When the population quadruples

[5:32:36] in the same two lanes on the

[5:32:37] road network, something is

[5:32:38] definitely wrong.

[5:32:39] All this suggests the primary

[5:32:44] emphasis is on tax revenue and

[5:32:45] appeasing the interest of one

[5:32:46] group over the betterment of

[5:32:52] all.

[5:32:53] Thank you very much.

[5:32:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:32:55] before we get to the next

[5:32:56] speaker want to call up my next

[5:32:56] group.

[5:32:56] Doctor jack, andrew

[5:32:59] , nancy and

[5:33:01] julie

[5:33:16] .

[5:33:16] All right.

[5:33:23] You MAY proceed to.

[5:33:24] >> Public Speaker: I'm clancy

[5:33:25] phenol lakewood occoquan civic

[5:33:29] association.

[5:33:30] In occoquan district.

[5:33:31] I been in the same house since

[5:33:32] 1973.

[5:33:40] More than three months.

[5:33:41] Five minutes, right?

[5:33:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:33:43] if you get the five minutes

[5:33:46] then doctor jack can't get it.

[5:33:47] >> Public Speaker: you get that

[5:33:47] then.

[5:33:49] He will give you the history

[5:33:50] .

[5:33:51] I served on the comp plan

[5:33:52] committee and I served on the

[5:33:57] csm committee.

[5:34:07] We tried to protect occoquan,

[5:34:08] our drinking water, all that

[5:34:09] you and all that everybody in

[5:34:10] this room other than those of

[5:34:13] you who are on a well.

[5:34:14] That's our legacy to protect

[5:34:15] it.

[5:34:21] And not overburdening the river

[5:34:22] with inappropriate developments

[5:34:26] .

[5:34:26] We are putting in an urban

[5:34:30] center in the middle of our

[5:34:32] so-called rural area

[5:34:32] .

[5:34:37] I have a question.

[5:34:38] The staff said they are going

[5:34:38] to try to get trees preserved,

[5:34:39] but I didn't hear the county

[5:34:44] arborist made any sense that

[5:34:45] you could have trees where you

[5:34:51] could clear cut everything.

[5:34:52] I know we worked with ridge

[5:34:53] development for years trying to

[5:34:54] retain as many trees as we

[5:34:55] could in lake rachael and that

[5:34:56] is why you have trees there,

[5:35:00] but the fact of the matter is

[5:35:00] when 1/4 acre lot you can save

[5:35:06] some trees

[5:35:06] .

[5:35:07] On this thing there's no way

[5:35:08] you would have trees anywhere

[5:35:10] except in the buffer and they

[5:35:20] don't want to have a buffer.

[5:35:21] Needs to have as much buffering

[5:35:21] as possible.

[5:35:22] MAY be a golf cart path between

[5:35:23] the development and shopping

[5:35:24] centers of people who can't

[5:35:33] carry poorer buybacks can hop

[5:35:34] in their golf cart like they do

[5:35:35] in florida and drive down there

[5:35:36] and go shopping in the shopping

[5:35:39] center.

[5:35:39] We need, I know we ignore this

[5:35:40] but we need to look at the d

[5:35:45] csm to say what kind of

[5:35:46] development standards do we

[5:35:47] want.

[5:35:48] Fairfax county has done not we

[5:35:49] have not.

[5:35:49] Our stop is way behind the

[5:35:54] curve trying to preserve the

[5:35:55] occoquan reservoir is a

[5:35:55] drinking water source.

[5:35:56] Thank you.

[5:36:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:36:05] next speaker.

[5:36:06] >> Public Speaker: good evening

[5:36:07] MADAM Chair.

[5:36:08] I wanted to wish you a.

[5:36:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:36:19] doctor jack, thank you.

[5:36:20] >> Public Speaker: 11 occoquan

[5:36:21] magisterial district.

[5:36:22] Wanted to welcome george

[5:36:24] stewart and wish you the best

[5:36:25] for holidays and new year

[5:36:27] ahead.

[5:36:28] Would like to ask for five

[5:36:35] minutes.

[5:36:36] I don't know if I need it.

[5:36:37] I served on the original

[5:36:39] committee over 15 years ago

[5:36:45] when we recommended to be

[5:36:47] created.

[5:36:51] We had high hopes but we were

[5:36:57] very much gratified to see this

[5:36:58] happen with the 2022 comp plan.

[5:37:00] Was wonderful but we don't

[5:37:11] have something like an

[5:37:12] ordinance that could

[5:37:13] institutionalize some of the

[5:37:14] things one would expect.

[5:37:15] I would like us to collectively

[5:37:19] think about that what we might

[5:37:24] do to move in that direction to

[5:37:27] have guidance, text and stuff

[5:37:32] that would have expectations

[5:37:33] for performance.

[5:37:38] That would be very helpful in

[5:37:39] our decision-making process

[5:37:41] moving forward to.

[5:37:42] And currently the site is a

[5:37:44] very heavily wooded site.

[5:37:50] It's only 23.4 acres and when

[5:37:51] it came into the belt

[5:37:54] committee, we do what we

[5:38:01] normally do.

[5:38:01] Extend are welcome to the

[5:38:02] applicant we try to be as

[5:38:06] objective as we can.

[5:38:08] We work in the guidance of the

[5:38:12] former german for 23 years and

[5:38:14] he would say hey guys

[5:38:22] , what if

[5:38:23] the board approves the project

[5:38:24] any misgivings you walk away or

[5:38:27] do you continue the dialogue.

[5:38:28] His recommendation was always

[5:38:28] continue the dialogue.

[5:38:31] walk away.

[5:38:34] We did meet with the applicant

[5:38:37] more than once.

[5:38:42] The last time was JULY 31.

[5:38:43] The committee had mixed

[5:38:44] feelings about this high

[5:38:46] density

[5:38:46] .

[5:38:47] We weren't enthusiastic for the

[5:38:52] project we had mixed feelings

[5:38:53] for a lot of the high density

[5:38:53] in

[5:38:57] the area.

[5:38:58] But we understand when the

[5:38:59] transportation solutions to

[5:39:05] move hoadley road westerly

[5:39:10] occurred, and set up a major

[5:39:15] network all the way it is the

[5:39:19] root 234 and set up the growth

[5:39:20] and development patterns for

[5:39:20] developers

[5:39:27] .

[5:39:28] B& a part of the normal result

[5:39:29] you see with the developers

[5:39:32] coming in looking at the comp

[5:39:38] plan in here you have the mu3

[5:39:59] and comp plan for mu3 and at

[5:40:00] the higher end.

[5:40:01] I just want to say we support

[5:40:01] element in here that try to

[5:40:02] provide for green space,

[5:40:03] continued green space along the

[5:40:03] parkway.

[5:40:04] The 50 foot buffer along the

[5:40:05] parkway, we fully support that.

[5:40:06] We were talking about the

[5:40:06] pedestrian walkway there

[5:40:07] , but

[5:40:09] that was taken out and we

[5:40:12] understand having the full 50

[5:40:17] foot buffer.

[5:40:18] Of the planning commission

[5:40:20] there was much discussion

[5:40:23] regarding the 30 foot buffer to

[5:40:24] integrate it with amenities

[5:40:29] along the property line is a

[5:40:32] good idea, but you have the

[5:40:34] backs of the shopping center

[5:40:41] that need more buffering so I

[5:40:42] think staff recommendation to

[5:40:43] look at beefing that up is a

[5:40:43] reasonable one

[5:40:47] .

[5:40:48] We should take that only got it

[5:40:53] more carefully and see what

[5:40:53] could be done there to improve

[5:40:55] it.

[5:41:02] We are asking for stormwater we

[5:41:03] have a proffer which we

[5:41:05] supported and we would like to

[5:41:05] encourage dialogue with the

[5:41:17] applicant for controls

[5:41:17] ,

[5:41:18] including things later on we

[5:41:18] will see applications on the

[5:41:21] reservoir.

[5:41:22] That would to be a very good

[5:41:22] thing.

[5:41:23] And so with that we are

[5:41:29] comfortable offering those

[5:41:32] suggestions thank you very

[5:41:38] much.

[5:41:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:41:39] thank you.

[5:41:44] Next speaker.

[5:41:47] >> good evening.

[5:42:10] Can you hear me okay?

[5:42:11] Good evening chair

[5:42:12] jefferson and

[5:42:12] supervisors.

[5:42:13] My name is nancy and I'm the

[5:42:13] occoquan resident.

[5:42:14] I've lived in the county for 38

[5:42:14] years.

[5:42:15] I'm come tonight to ask you to

[5:42:16] vote no to the maple grove

[5:42:17] project for the reasons for

[5:42:18] denial have been eloquently

[5:42:19] expressed by the previous

[5:42:19] speakers.

[5:42:19] Y main issue is

[5:42:20] the potential impact on the

[5:42:21] occoquan reservoir in our

[5:42:22] drinking water.

[5:42:22] The other issues are traffic,

[5:42:23] the impact of schools and the

[5:42:25] overall environmental impact

[5:42:25] .

[5:42:26] For the record I am requesting

[5:42:27] you deny the hoadley square

[5:42:28] project for the same reasons.

[5:42:29] Please protect the occoquan

[5:42:29] ,

[5:42:30] the water I drink in the water

[5:42:34] that 800,000 people drink in

[5:42:35] this region.

[5:42:38] Thank you.

[5:42:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:42:44] I have a couple more people.

[5:42:45] I will call up MR. Richard as

[5:42:56] well and nathan higgins.

[5:42:58] >> good evening.

[5:43:07] Can you hear me?

[5:43:08] Okay, great.

[5:43:09] My name is julia and I am in

[5:43:10] the occoquan district

[5:43:10] .

[5:43:15] I am a resident here and have

[5:43:16] been disappointed to hear this

[5:43:21] type and development is coming

[5:43:21] into this area.

[5:43:23] I moved here specifically

[5:43:26] because I somehow green and

[5:43:28] protected the area was.

[5:43:33] I saw there was the put in

[5:43:34] place and how that felt that

[5:43:36] was a great sign for the

[5:43:38] community to show they take

[5:43:41] their watershed seriously, they

[5:43:47] want to protect the trees and I

[5:43:48] would really like this area was

[5:43:51] protective of the reason.

[5:43:52] Have been very disappointed to

[5:43:57] see the projects will chip away

[5:44:02] at the protections given

[5:44:02] .

[5:44:05] Our houses off of the well

[5:44:05] .

[5:44:09] Worried about drinking water.

[5:44:10] Thinking all the issues that

[5:44:13] would come from not having a

[5:44:16] house with water.

[5:44:17] That is something that keeps me

[5:44:24] up at night.

[5:44:25] It sounds like this area for

[5:44:26] maple grove, even though it is

[5:44:27] technically not in the orpa it

[5:44:30] will have impacts which is

[5:44:35] definitely where hoadley square

[5:44:40] is planning to go.

[5:44:40] I've seen the plans, it seems

[5:44:43] 80 percent covered in concrete.

[5:44:44] But the big buildings in the

[5:44:47] parking lots and I'm very

[5:44:52] concerned about the storm water

[5:44:52] runoff.

[5:44:53] And so I would request that if

[5:44:54] there is some kind of

[5:44:56] development here to greatly

[5:44:59] reduce it to look at having

[5:45:02] something that is required to

[5:45:04] have the four houses per acre

[5:45:08] .

[5:45:09] Something, I believe some

[5:45:11] dimension before some kind of

[5:45:15] trade-off that is not the same

[5:45:17] requirements but it could be a

[5:45:24] transition period location.

[5:45:32] Also worried about the traffic

[5:45:33] everything is going from what

[5:45:33] I've been able to see in and

[5:45:34] out of galveston.

[5:45:38] Road in the is going to be for

[5:45:41] the very dense communities

[5:45:43] adding all the extra cars

[5:45:51] trying to get on to hoadley.

[5:45:58] I also live in the hoadley area

[5:45:59] and can imagine how we would be

[5:45:59] able to reach principal and

[5:46:02] parkway again.

[5:46:02] I appreciate your time.

[5:46:06] I urge you to vote no

[5:46:09] .

[5:46:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:46:22] next speaker, please.

[5:46:23] >> good evening board, chair

[5:46:23] jefferson!

[5:46:23] My name is andrew.

[5:46:24] I live in the occoquan

[5:46:25] district.

[5:46:27] I move from fairfax county to

[5:46:28] hoadley behind the mosque.

[5:46:31] Our whole desire was to get

[5:46:32] away from the high density, the

[5:46:36] high-traffic and to seek peace

[5:46:38] .

[5:46:49] I highly recommend you vote no

[5:46:50] and the type space area.

[5:46:51] And for the reasons is high

[5:46:51] density.

[5:46:52] This is meant for an easy

[5:46:52] transit is all the other

[5:46:55] speakers it is not easy transit

[5:46:56] to get to 95 and to 66.

[5:46:57] You are putting these people

[5:46:59] everyone is arguing for I do

[5:47:02] more of a disadvantage in the

[5:47:03] strength of the infrastructure

[5:47:06] on the occoquan district.

[5:47:07] That creates a domino effect of

[5:47:11] taxpayers pay more taxes to

[5:47:16] increase the bus infrastructure

[5:47:16] and if the metro made it this

[5:47:17] far, anything like that versus

[5:47:19] keeping intact the way it is

[5:47:20] and we say develop and improve

[5:47:21] the district

[5:47:21] .

[5:47:24] Select another area.

[5:47:31] On the schools, all they offer

[5:47:31] is rezoning.

[5:47:32] As of today of four first grade

[5:47:39] classes, for second grade at

[5:47:39] mass convexity 21.

[5:47:40] He developed the new homes and

[5:47:41] you are bringing in new younger

[5:47:42] families, what do you think

[5:47:42] that will impact?

[5:47:43] Rezoning will not solve the

[5:47:44] problem so infrastructure once

[5:47:45] again not sustainable.

[5:47:48] Taxes go up.

[5:47:49] We talked about from prince

[5:47:50] william county within five

[5:47:53] years fairfax county people not

[5:47:54] be able to live in the county

[5:47:57] because of the property tax

[5:47:58] because it was poor planning

[5:48:00] infrastructure and starting to

[5:48:02] fall apart again.

[5:48:03] To take into consideration the

[5:48:04] community being developed as we

[5:48:06] speak.

[5:48:07] There are 1015 homes be

[5:48:08] developed that would create

[5:48:14] 5000 more trips per day and

[5:48:15] that is on a standard two-car

[5:48:15] household.

[5:48:19] Many have kids who drive, and

[5:48:20] laws to live with us and so

[5:48:22] increase that number.

[5:48:27] As we talked about the effects

[5:48:27] of maple grove, it does not

[5:48:29] fall on orpa but it would

[5:48:34] affect the 800,000 people that

[5:48:36] that water system provides

[5:48:36] .

[5:48:37] With in my neighborhood we have

[5:48:40] all wells in the houses so when

[5:48:51] you start developing that close

[5:48:52] to our development we will

[5:48:53] start impacting our water

[5:48:54] systems which could cost

[5:48:54] anywhere from $10-$30,000 to

[5:48:55] have a well wheeled we drilled.

[5:48:56] I say do not approve this

[5:48:56] project.

[5:48:57] I am all for development.

[5:49:01] Dear company developed cannibal

[5:49:03] in fairfax and oakton view

[5:49:04] which is more along the lines

[5:49:05] of our occoquan area and so I

[5:49:06] recommend those types of

[5:49:08] projects.

[5:49:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:49:12] thank you.

[5:49:20] Next speaker, please.

[5:49:21] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[5:49:21] richard welsh,

[5:49:22] occoquan district

[5:49:22] .

[5:49:25] For the barrington oaks

[5:49:36] neighborhood.

[5:49:36] I do want to be too repetitive.

[5:49:37] I want to add my voice or do

[5:49:38] new to deny the application.

[5:49:42] The traffic impacts will be

[5:49:43] horrendous, the environment

[5:49:44] will impact will be horrendous

[5:49:46] .

[5:49:50] And concerned about the aquifer

[5:49:50] levels.

[5:49:53] I don't have to predrill that

[5:49:53] well.

[5:49:57] I shouldn't have to.

[5:49:58] Think this is just too high

[5:49:59] dense of a project

[5:50:01] .

[5:50:09] The density is a requirement

[5:50:09] location to change.

[5:50:09] F

[5:50:10] location changes or stays, the

[5:50:15] density should change.

[5:50:16] I urge you to support smart

[5:50:17] development rather than

[5:50:18] automatic piece by piece

[5:50:18] ,

[5:50:24] applicant by applicant

[5:50:25] development and take a holistic

[5:50:25] view.

[5:50:26] And you will come to the

[5:50:27] conclusion this should be

[5:50:28] denied until it is amended

[5:50:32] meaningfully.

[5:50:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:50:38] next speaker, please.

[5:50:39] >> Public Speaker: can you hear

[5:50:44] me?

[5:50:50] Can you hear me?

[5:50:51] My name is nathan higgins., and

[5:50:52] the occoquan district and I am

[5:50:55] make student charles k cogan

[5:50:55] high school.

[5:50:58] I represent the students.

[5:50:59] What I can tell you is the

[5:51:02] students and teachers all think

[5:51:05] the same pictures too much

[5:51:09] traffic and it's already 40

[5:51:14] percent overcapacity.

[5:51:15] With all the parents I've

[5:51:16] spoken to a lot of people

[5:51:18] bought properties in the area

[5:51:19] specifically to go there and I

[5:51:21] can tell you on top of that

[5:51:23] live in the lost creek.

[5:51:25] Trying to take a left out

[5:51:27] .

[5:51:28] Just turned 18 recently

[5:51:33] .

[5:51:34] It's difficult to take a left

[5:51:34] turn out if I want to go

[5:51:36] anywhere.

[5:51:37] Have to take a right turn in a

[5:51:38] u-turn

[5:51:42] .

[5:51:42] Even when I take a right turn

[5:51:47] it takes for ever.

[5:51:48] For me to get to the school in

[5:51:52] the morning, if you go down

[5:51:53] hoadley and you try to take a

[5:51:55] left to get to cogan in the

[5:52:01] morning it takes about 30

[5:52:02] minutes if you're waiting at

[5:52:03] that light.

[5:52:11] Hoadley can simply not handle

[5:52:12] anymore cars and also as a

[5:52:13] future virginia taxpayer the

[5:52:14] residence I would love to live

[5:52:20] your for the rest of my life, I

[5:52:20] can tell the am extremely

[5:52:21] concerned with the increased

[5:52:22] property taxes that MAY be

[5:52:23] imposed because of this

[5:52:24] development.

[5:52:31] I think, and most people that

[5:52:32] are students who want to live

[5:52:33] here would oppose of this plan

[5:52:34] so therefore I would like to

[5:52:34] vote no.

[5:52:42] We should want our children to

[5:52:43] stay in this area for a longer

[5:52:43] period of time.

[5:52:44] That's what virginia wants is a

[5:52:45] state

[5:52:45] .

[5:52:46] I think this would be a huge

[5:52:49] mistake.

[5:52:49] Received the rest of my time.

[5:52:52] Thank you.

[5:52:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:52:57] I'm going to move to remote

[5:52:58] part of this public hearing.

[5:53:01] Supervisor bailey?

[5:53:02] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[5:53:03] we have two people.

[5:53:09] Are you ready?

[5:53:09] >> good evening.

[5:53:13] We have nobody speaking for

[5:53:13] this item tonight.

[5:53:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[5:53:17] okay.

[5:53:18] No one, MADAM Chair.

[5:53:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:53:20] now going to close the public

[5:53:29] hearing for agenda item 13 day.

[5:53:29] With that I would like to

[5:53:30] applicant restocked if there is

[5:53:34] anything that would respond to.

[5:53:37] Do one question because maple

[5:53:38] valley grove, is that in the

[5:53:40] orpa?

[5:53:41] Can somebody come and say that.

[5:53:46] For the record

[5:53:46] .

[5:53:56] Turn on the microphone.

[5:53:56] >> my name is.

[5:53:57] [Name] And with the applicant.

[5:53:58] This property is not located in

[5:53:58] the orpa.

[5:54:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:54:03] thank you so very much.

[5:54:04] If there's anything else you

[5:54:05] heard from public hearing that

[5:54:09] you would like to respond to?

[5:54:10] >> I wanted to address the

[5:54:11] gentleman last a comment

[5:54:25] regarding the colgan high

[5:54:25] school concerns.

[5:54:26] The trenton rd., star study has

[5:54:27] taken a look at the entire

[5:54:28] corridor from prince william

[5:54:29] pkwy. All the way to dumfries

[5:54:29] road and that includes the

[5:54:30] dumfries and colgan in the

[5:54:32] section as part of the area we

[5:54:33] are studying for improvement as

[5:54:33] well.

[5:54:34] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:54:35] thank you very much.

[5:54:37] Anything else?

[5:54:38] >> I wanted to follow up.

[5:54:39] There were a lot of comments on

[5:54:40] transportation so I thought it

[5:54:41] would be helpful to answer some

[5:54:43] of those.

[5:54:44] For the traffic impact

[5:54:45] analysis, we are required to

[5:54:45] look at future traffic which

[5:54:51] was a two percent growth rate

[5:54:52] per year which matches what the

[5:54:53] county as seen a growth rate in

[5:54:54] this area and it required us to

[5:55:02] look at the full buildout of

[5:55:02] dorrell nor pickett assume the

[5:55:04] full buildout per special use

[5:55:04] permit application but the

[5:55:09] traffic impact analysis is

[5:55:09] reviewed by vdot in prince

[5:55:11] william county transportation

[5:55:12] and ultimately accepted by

[5:55:22] vdot.

[5:55:22] The star study is looking at

[5:55:23] regional improvement and so

[5:55:24] kevin mentioned it again.

[5:55:25] It is from the intersection of

[5:55:26] prince william pkwy. All the

[5:55:28] way down to dumfries and it is

[5:55:29] looking at a long-term solution

[5:55:30] for transportation

[5:55:36] improvements.

[5:55:36] Goes out to 2055 to make sure

[5:55:37] whatever solution is proposed

[5:55:38] that can handle future growth

[5:55:38] in traffic.

[5:55:39] We heard a lot of comments

[5:55:40] regarding transit

[5:55:46] .

[5:55:47] There is an omni ride transit

[5:55:47] hub on galveston.

[5:55:52] That has two routes.

[5:55:53] The first row or one of them is

[5:55:54] the best way to say it, is

[5:55:57] between the stop and commuter

[5:55:57] garage at stonebridge which

[5:56:00] also has stops along the way to

[5:56:03] other commuter park and ride

[5:56:03] lots.

[5:56:04] He other stop goes from

[5:56:08] the site to the vred, the

[5:56:10] woodbridge vre

[5:56:11] .

[5:56:16] That also has stops along the

[5:56:17] way.

[5:56:17] One of the things they wanted

[5:56:18] to make sure was that they

[5:56:19] would still have their transit

[5:56:22] hub and that this project would

[5:56:28] not impact that.

[5:56:29] I also heard comments regarding

[5:56:30] galveston being the only way

[5:56:30] out.

[5:56:31] The applicant is part of the

[5:56:33] impact analysis looked at this.

[5:56:34] That intersection operates at a

[5:56:36] level of service in the A.M.

[5:56:46] And in the P.M. In the future

[5:56:47] without the project on the

[5:56:47] levels of service remain the

[5:56:49] same and in the future with the

[5:56:49] project the levels of service

[5:56:50] remain the same.

[5:56:52] In the event hoadley square is

[5:56:53] approved, there is a street

[5:56:54] grid network and interpersonal

[5:56:56] connectivity that allows for

[5:57:03] access on queens chapel road.

[5:57:04] And there wasn't one more

[5:57:07] wanted to hit as it related to

[5:57:08] stormwater management and

[5:57:08] impacts to the well

[5:57:08] .

[5:57:13] We are not near any wells or

[5:57:14] septic fields but we are

[5:57:17] providing 55 percent open space

[5:57:18] and public water, which would

[5:57:19] allow recharge and removes

[5:57:30] demand on the aquifer

[5:57:31] .

[5:57:32] We also drain north with the

[5:57:33] drainage divide between the

[5:57:33] sites and west of hoadley.

[5:57:35] This wheels are characterized a

[5:57:35] slow infiltration and high

[5:57:36] water table so there would not

[5:57:41] be in the impact of the wells.

[5:57:41] And I think I hit all of them

[5:57:42] but if not I'm sure you will

[5:57:43] ask me question.

[5:57:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:57:45] I have a quick question.

[5:57:46] You were talking about

[5:57:46] transportation a and b.

[5:57:47] >> I'm sorry?

[5:57:48] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:57:49] you are mentioning

[5:57:49] the routes.

[5:57:57] The timetables.

[5:57:58] >> when you do a traffic impact

[5:57:59] analysis you have to look at

[5:58:00] various intersections and you

[5:58:02] look at the levels of service

[5:58:03] .

[5:58:03] Each one of the levels of

[5:58:04] service have a letter grade

[5:58:05] associated with it.

[5:58:05] That is a

[5:58:09] through f. Look at the levels

[5:58:12] of service and it's based on

[5:58:13] how long you at the traffic

[5:58:14] signal waiting so what is that

[5:58:16] timing?

[5:58:17] The goal is the level of

[5:58:21] service remains the same.

[5:58:22] If they degrade to come up as a

[5:58:23] mitigation measure that you

[5:58:25] look to do.

[5:58:26] For the intersection of

[5:58:28] galveston and hoadley road, the

[5:58:34] antique hour period, that

[5:58:35] assumes the worst case scenario

[5:58:36] for traffic is your peak.

[5:58:39] The A.M. Peak is a level of

[5:58:42] service and the P.M. Peak is a

[5:58:43] level of service c and that

[5:58:53] remains the same level of

[5:58:54] service in the future with the

[5:58:55] project and then the future

[5:58:55] without the project.

[5:58:56] We are not degrading the levels

[5:58:57] of service on galveston and

[5:58:58] hoadley road.

[5:58:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[5:58:59] thank you so very much.

[5:59:03] Supervisor boddye?

[5:59:03] Hold on.

[5:59:08] Before we go on

[5:59:08] .

[5:59:08] I'm sorry.

[5:59:09] I asked the people while they

[5:59:13] are here please observe decorum

[5:59:13] so that we can continue this

[5:59:17] meeting moving forward.

[5:59:17] >> Kenny Boddye: scott, were

[5:59:18] you going to stand up and say

[5:59:24] something?

[5:59:25] >> I want to point out big

[5:59:26] picture that this is, in the

[5:59:27] comprehensive plan it is a

[5:59:32] suburban tampa development.

[5:59:33] This is not an urbanized

[5:59:33] development pattern.

[5:59:34] Mu3 is kind of in the middle.

[5:59:40] I want to point that out.

[5:59:40] It is a long major corridor.

[5:59:41] We have a course the major

[5:59:42] intersection there

[5:59:51] .

[5:59:51] This is not a t5, t6, t7.

[5:59:52] I just want to point that out.

[5:59:59] they are at the higher density,

[6:00:00] but that is permissible be of

[6:00:01] the comprehensive plan.

[6:00:01] This is very suburban.

[6:00:02] The pattern is a suburban type

[6:00:03] of development.

[6:00:06] What is challenging as you have

[6:00:07] orpa and they have intact trees

[6:00:08] but you have a major shopping

[6:00:15] center and on the other side on

[6:00:16] the south side you have a lot

[6:00:17] of other rooftops and surfaces.

[6:00:18] I want to give the general

[6:00:20] perspective that this is as

[6:00:21] urban suburban type development

[6:00:27] pattern.

[6:00:28] >> Kenny Boddye: if I could

[6:00:28] follow up on that, thank you.

[6:00:29] I don't know if it will be you

[6:00:30] or someone else on the planning

[6:00:32] team, provide this was

[6:00:33] recommended by planning staff

[6:00:40] to be in the comp plan.

[6:00:40] >> good evening.

[6:00:46] David from the planning office.

[6:00:47] This is an opportunity with the

[6:00:48] retail shopping center to

[6:00:53] create a mixed use community.

[6:00:53] The mu3 provides that.

[6:00:58] It is not high density

[6:00:58] .

[6:01:02] It's a medium density.

[6:01:07] Loser opportunities to provide

[6:01:08] mixed-use walkable communities

[6:01:09] with a mix of uses

[6:01:09] .

[6:01:09] The retail is lacking the

[6:01:16] housing to support the retail

[6:01:17] .

[6:01:17] We need to develop these types

[6:01:18] of places so that people can

[6:01:20] live near where they work and

[6:01:23] shop.

[6:01:25] Also, the transit is they are

[6:01:30] .

[6:01:31] In the comprehensive plan when

[6:01:32] we aligned the transect, in

[6:01:33] this case it is a transect

[6:01:35] three with the type of transit

[6:01:36] available to that served by

[6:01:50] that when you need transit

[6:01:51] support identities as well in

[6:01:52] order for transit to be

[6:01:52] working.

[6:01:53] Hopefully that answers your

[6:01:53] question.

[6:01:54] >> Kenny Boddye: it does.

[6:01:55] Into quick ones if you don't

[6:01:55] mind.

[6:01:58] Thank you for that.

[6:01:59] I appreciate your context to

[6:01:59] their grounding us and what mu3

[6:02:02] looks like and not being a

[6:02:02] suburban type place.

[6:02:05] Can you talk about this being

[6:02:06] on the edge of the government

[6:02:09] center activity center.

[6:02:13] And this obviously didn't

[6:02:14] happen when you recommended

[6:02:14] this but now that we have a

[6:02:18] master space master plan for

[6:02:19] the government center, how did

[6:02:20] those in her play with each

[6:02:26] other.

[6:02:26] >> again we want to live near

[6:02:27] where we work.

[6:02:28] Also, the opportunity for

[6:02:30] affordable housing in the

[6:02:31] location and the like tech

[6:02:42] development is essential to

[6:02:42] providing not only the housing

[6:02:44] that the people who work in the

[6:02:44] area can afford, but that is

[6:02:45] going to be near where they

[6:02:46] work.

[6:02:47] With the development of an

[6:02:48] increase in the government

[6:02:54] center in the jobs in that

[6:02:55] area, there is a need for

[6:02:56] additional housing nearby to

[6:03:03] support that workforce.

[6:03:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:03:05] thank you very much.

[6:03:07] I don't see anyone else.

[6:03:08] Supervisor boddye.

[6:03:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you've

[6:03:12] met him to.

[6:03:13] I'm not going to go on too long

[6:03:14] before I make the motion but I

[6:03:15] wanted to thank everyone in the

[6:03:16] community who came out today

[6:03:16] .

[6:03:16] Obviously a lot of folks

[6:03:24] concerned

[6:03:26] .

[6:03:27] You live off of purcell, you

[6:03:28] live right near where the

[6:03:28] property lines are for the

[6:03:29] site.

[6:03:29] I hear you traffic in the area

[6:03:30] can be challenging given some

[6:03:32] of the unique uses such as

[6:03:35] darnell norberg between the

[6:03:38] star study we are looking to

[6:03:41] address a lot of the concerns

[6:03:48] .

[6:03:49] When they put the projects they

[6:03:49] don't rise out of the ground

[6:03:51] immediately built it takes time

[6:03:52] to build a projects and all the

[6:03:53] other things which gives us

[6:03:56] time to work with vdot and the

[6:03:57] transportation department.

[6:03:59] That it said

[6:04:02] , I want to move we

[6:04:06] do 13 a for approval.

[6:04:07] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:04:12] motion improperly seconded.

[6:04:13] Supervisor boddye.

[6:04:14] >> Kenny Boddye: here concerns

[6:04:14] about traffic in schools and

[6:04:15] the pace of change.

[6:04:23] Growth pressures a real and the

[6:04:24] choices and growth versus no

[6:04:25] growth.

[6:04:25] Can be coordinated with

[6:04:26] transmission services jobs or

[6:04:27] whether we push it outwards and

[6:04:28] of our middle impact

[6:04:29] countywide.

[6:04:29] For the folks following the

[6:04:32] comp plan as it involved they

[6:04:33] were originally was supposed to

[6:04:37] be a proposed just north a

[6:04:39] bacon race.

[6:04:40] Advocated for that to be taken

[6:04:45] out there is also a proposal in

[6:04:46] a request to have the delaney

[6:04:47] track up zoned

[6:04:47] .

[6:04:48] i fought against that that was

[6:04:49] down soon.

[6:04:54] To me this is a culmination

[6:04:55] pushing everything to where it

[6:04:55] belongs which is near the

[6:04:56] shopping center, near the

[6:04:57] government center, near the

[6:04:58] implement centers

[6:04:59] .

[6:05:00] One of my constituents talked

[6:05:02] about first responders.

[6:05:09] There is a public safety center

[6:05:10] north of davis ford road in the

[6:05:10] parkway.

[6:05:11] That would be expanded with the

[6:05:14] county master plan.

[6:05:15] We had a robust conversation

[6:05:21] about that last week.

[6:05:22] If you did not tune then I

[6:05:22] invite you to do so.

[6:05:23] Over the next 20 years the

[6:05:26] government center will be built

[6:05:27] out in a modern robust

[6:05:27] employment center which will

[6:05:33] host double digits dozens of

[6:05:34] county agencies that would be

[6:05:35] hundreds of employees those

[6:05:37] people will need the places to

[6:05:38] live.

[6:05:38] O me this is where this

[6:05:39] goes because no matter whether

[6:05:42] you are a social worker, a

[6:05:43] planner, environment, teacher

[6:05:44] corps you work in the shopping

[6:05:46] center

[6:05:48] , he doesn't have a place

[6:05:48] to live close to where you

[6:05:49] work.

[6:05:50] So for those reasons I support

[6:05:51] this

[6:05:53] .

[6:05:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:05:55] all right.

[6:06:01] Hold on.

[6:06:01] I have never had to clear board

[6:06:04] chambers.

[6:06:05] All right.

[6:06:06] I'm going to say this.

[6:06:08] We can disagree

[6:06:08] .

[6:06:20] we have had a law of

[6:06:21] disagreement.

[6:06:21] We have had a lot of

[6:06:22] disagreements over this board,

[6:06:23] but I do not want outbursts.

[6:06:24] I want people to be able to

[6:06:24] speak.

[6:06:25] I want people to have their

[6:06:34] comments

[6:06:36] , but I also want

[6:06:36] respect.

[6:06:37] For some of the frequent flyers

[6:06:38] who come to a lot of these

[6:06:38] meetings.

[6:06:39] I see doctor jack shaking his

[6:06:39] head.

[6:06:40] We don't agree on everything,

[6:06:40] we listen.

[6:06:43] Going to ask there be more no

[6:06:44] more outbursts.

[6:06:46] I know tensions are high, but

[6:06:47] I'm going to respectfully ask

[6:06:48] that there be no outbursts.

[6:06:51] If there is I will clear out

[6:06:56] the chambers

[6:06:57] .

[6:06:57] I don't want to have to do

[6:06:58] that.

[6:06:58] I've never done that before and

[6:06:59] I really don't want to have a

[6:07:00] first time for everything.

[6:07:01] So I'm asking for everyone who

[6:07:05] is here to please adhere to the

[6:07:06] decorum we established in the

[6:07:14] board room.

[6:07:14] Supervisor vega?

[6:07:15] >> Yesli Vega: first off I want

[6:07:16] to thank the citizens who

[6:07:16] showed up.

[6:07:19] I noticed a law of coles

[6:07:20] residence redistricting did

[6:07:21] happen at one point.

[6:07:22] The proposals on the agenda for

[6:07:26] tonight were in fact in the

[6:07:28] district so I know the concerns

[6:07:33] we raised are not just tonight

[6:07:34] but over the course last for

[6:07:34] years.

[6:07:38] Want to think county staff for

[6:07:39] all of their work for the

[6:07:40] applicant as well for making

[6:07:41] themselves available to any

[6:07:42] questions I did have.

[6:07:43] The reality is I understand the

[6:07:46] frustration.

[6:07:47] A sound like a broken record

[6:07:48] saying we continue to put the

[6:07:51] cart before the horse we

[6:07:52] continue to approve projects

[6:07:53] what we have lagging

[6:07:57] infrastructure and in some

[6:07:58] cases we MAY even argue its

[6:07:59] crumbling infrastructure.

[6:08:00] We keep talking about studies

[6:08:01] in 20 years from now, but the

[6:08:04] reality is the things we are

[6:08:05] approving now are only going to

[6:08:15] make the challenges we face

[6:08:16] here today much greater.

[6:08:17] Want to make sure nobody leaves

[6:08:18] chambers feeling like their

[6:08:19] concerns aren't valid, because

[6:08:19] they absolutely are.

[6:08:25] I commend the young man who

[6:08:27] cannot hear and spoke.

[6:08:28] We need invoices to continue to

[6:08:29] do the thing you did here today

[6:08:29] because education is a very

[6:08:30] powerful tool in the more you

[6:08:32] know about what is happening in

[6:08:32] your community, the more

[6:08:33] impactful and viable your

[6:08:33] change will be.

[6:08:34] I commend you for being here

[6:08:37] tonight and I encourage you to

[6:08:38] not be discouraged and continue

[6:08:43] to stay engaged.

[6:08:44] For those who MAY feel the vote

[6:08:45] is not going to go their way, I

[6:08:47] continue to ask you to stay

[6:08:47] engaged because that's what we

[6:08:48] need.

[6:08:57] We need lines of communications

[6:08:58] and they are always going to be

[6:08:58] open.

[6:08:59] I will echo with the chair said

[6:08:59] about decorum.

[6:09:01] We MAY agree to disagree, but

[6:09:02] at the end of the day respect

[6:09:03] carries the way and so without

[6:09:03] the of our middle concerns have

[6:09:05] been raised

[6:09:06] , the additional

[6:09:08] strains on schools within

[6:09:08] rates, additional concerns

[6:09:09] about traffic have been raised.

[6:09:10] I do want it drag this out but

[6:09:14] they are valid concerns this

[6:09:15] board has to look closely as we

[6:09:16] move forward and continue to

[6:09:30] approve these projects and ask

[6:09:30] ourselves are really making

[6:09:31] communities better or are we

[6:09:32] just giving him explanations,

[6:09:34] long explanations trying to

[6:09:35] justify our votes.

[6:09:35] I think the county residents

[6:09:36] are very knowledgeable.

[6:09:37] And they are tired of it and at

[6:09:38] some point we have to start

[6:09:39] doing things differently.

[6:09:44] And so I will not be supporting

[6:09:46] this application tonight for

[6:09:46] the concerns raised the

[6:09:47] planning commission hearing.

[6:09:47] Some concerns haven't been

[6:09:48] addressed about I understand

[6:09:54] county staff is recommending

[6:09:55] approval, but I take issue with

[6:09:56] that because they've raised a

[6:09:57] lot of concerns and things they

[6:09:58] are not happy yet with, yet we

[6:09:58] are recommending another

[6:09:59] project forward.

[6:10:01] I want to be very clear with

[6:10:02] the time I have left.

[6:10:02] We keep hearing folks being

[6:10:10] opposed to projects in the

[6:10:11] current form they are being

[6:10:11] presented.

[6:10:12] Not being opposed to

[6:10:14] development, which is a clear

[6:10:15] distinction that needs to be

[6:10:15] made.

[6:10:16] People are not opposed to

[6:10:17] growth, people are not opposed

[6:10:17] to development.

[6:10:18] What people are opposed to get

[6:10:20] frustrated with time and time

[6:10:21] again as we have proposals

[6:10:22] being brought before the

[6:10:39] governing body that can without

[6:10:40] a shadow of a doubt be made

[6:10:41] better and that is not

[6:10:41] happening.

[6:10:42] I don't think that is a fair

[6:10:43] request our constituents are

[6:10:44] demanding of their elected

[6:10:45] representatives and I hope we

[6:10:46] can do better by the wishes of

[6:10:47] the people who elected us and

[6:10:47] put us in the seats.

[6:10:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:10:49] supervisor bailey.

[6:10:50] >> Andrea Bailey,

[6:10:50] Vice Chair:

[6:10:50] thank you MADAM Chair.

[6:10:51] I want to thank the citizens

[6:10:52] that came out tonight.

[6:10:52] That shows you care.

[6:10:53] I got distracted on I apologize

[6:10:54] to you because I am proud of

[6:11:00] the young man in his dapper

[6:11:00] suit with his curly hair.

[6:11:01] His book extremely eloquent

[6:11:05] about how he felt about the

[6:11:06] community and I commend you for

[6:11:06] that.

[6:11:06] I have a son.

[6:11:13] Much older than you.

[6:11:14] I am proud of you as he speaks

[6:11:14] over his community as well.

[6:11:16] You need to continue to do that

[6:11:17] and you are an example of what

[6:11:18] we are trying to do on this

[6:11:25] dais we want you to come back

[6:11:26] and live here want to go to

[6:11:26] college.

[6:11:27] We want you to come back here

[6:11:28] and work here once you finish

[6:11:29] college.

[6:11:29] We want you here because this

[6:11:30] is your community.

[6:11:33] The lot of the things we deal

[6:11:37] with on this dais are very old

[6:11:39] .

[6:11:40] 20, 30 years old.

[6:11:40] I'm speaking to you because I

[6:11:42] want you to understand that.

[6:11:43] Part of what is happening and

[6:11:48] when we make these decisions,

[6:11:49] sometimes favorable, sometimes

[6:11:50] not so favorable is education.

[6:11:57] We need to educate the

[6:11:57] community and bring the

[6:11:58] community along with what we

[6:11:59] are doing.

[6:12:10] That has not been done in a

[6:12:10] very long time.

[6:12:11] Having you stand at the podium

[6:12:12] voice your opinion is critical

[6:12:13] because you are engaging.

[6:12:14] You are engaging in what is

[6:12:14] going on right now.

[6:12:23] You can speak about a 20 or 30

[6:12:24] years from now and you can give

[6:12:25] the history about it.

[6:12:25] We had to inherit the history.

[6:12:26] And so with that I want to

[6:12:26] say

[6:12:27] education continually in the

[6:12:28] wonderful place called prince

[6:12:29] william county is so important

[6:12:29] .

[6:12:30] People want to live, work and

[6:12:31] play here.

[6:12:31] They want to.

[6:12:32] Military people want to stay

[6:12:38] here once they retire whatever

[6:12:38] that looks like.

[6:12:39] How do we make it better.

[6:12:42] And we need to collaborate to

[6:12:42] make it better.

[6:12:43] The other thing I want to say

[6:12:48] is today staff and developer

[6:12:49] working through this project,

[6:12:52] you work really hard making it

[6:13:00] the best that you could.

[6:13:01] It's not about giving into the

[6:13:01] developer.

[6:13:05] It is about how can we have

[6:13:06] policies and procedures we have

[6:13:09] to live with and work with and

[6:13:11] make a good for the citizens

[6:13:11] .

[6:13:15] Again, I'm proud of you because

[6:13:18] you are an example of what

[6:13:19] should have been done 20 or 30

[6:13:20] years ago.

[6:13:22] To the citizens

[6:13:23] , thank you for

[6:13:24] your voices

[6:13:27] .

[6:13:28] Thank you for saying exactly

[6:13:37] how you felt about it.

[6:13:37] I would ask you, help us work

[6:13:38] together to educate each other.

[6:13:47] There is a lot of history that

[6:13:48] we are dealing that is old, old

[6:13:49] infrastructure.

[6:13:49] A lot of old stuff.

[6:13:50] And doctor jack, you know that

[6:13:51] big thank you for coming out

[6:13:52] tonight to thank you for the

[6:13:53] developer worked with the

[6:13:53] staff.

[6:13:53] Long hours.

[6:13:54] Ust thank you.

[6:13:55] I will be supporting this

[6:13:56] because we need housing and we

[6:13:59] can't get around that.

[6:14:08] We need you to explain to us

[6:14:09] what does that look like.

[6:14:10] But it has to happen.

[6:14:10] Doctor jack, you know that.

[6:14:11] Thank you MADAM Chair for this

[6:14:14] moment.

[6:14:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:14:16] supervisor stewart?

[6:14:23] >> George Stewart: look, I

[6:14:23] support everything everybody

[6:14:25] has said appeared.

[6:14:28] Especially supervisor vega and

[6:14:30] even supervisor bailey.

[6:14:37] And also supervisor boddye.

[6:14:37] We do need housing.

[6:14:38] We do need housing close to

[6:14:39] where people live.

[6:14:42] But this project is not ready

[6:14:44] for prime time.

[6:14:48] 50 foot buffer fail,

[6:14:52] environmental concerns fail.

[6:15:01] School concerns fail.

[6:15:07] Those are things that need to

[6:15:08] be fixed and you came here not

[6:15:09] ready.

[6:15:15] You came you not ready.

[6:15:15] I also agree with supervisor

[6:15:20] boddye that we do need places

[6:15:21] close to where people live,

[6:15:24] work and play.

[6:15:27] In places more so that they can

[6:15:30] afford

[6:15:31] .

[6:15:31] Affordability is a problem in

[6:15:32] the county.

[6:15:35] MR. Higgins, I appreciate you

[6:15:37] being here.

[6:15:41] I was you 40 years ago.

[6:15:44] Well, not yet.

[6:15:47] But exactly 40.

[6:15:48] At your age I was coming to

[6:15:52] these meetings dressed just

[6:15:52] like that.

[6:16:01] I appreciate that.

[6:16:02] And I really need the concerns

[6:16:07] that the staff has called upon

[6:16:18] these things to be fixed.

[6:16:19] Like supervisor boddye say,

[6:16:20] this is a going to just sprout

[6:16:21] out the ground tomorrow in

[6:16:22] lincoln a cartoon it's going to

[6:16:23] be there.

[6:16:23] Hi need these things to be

[6:16:24] fixed

[6:16:28] .

[6:16:29] The community needs these

[6:16:35] things to be fixed.

[6:16:36] People want to be treated

[6:16:36] fairly.

[6:16:39] People want to be heard

[6:16:39] .

[6:16:40] People want the tax money they

[6:16:44] are paying to be utilized in a

[6:16:51] fashion that reflects them

[6:16:55] .

[6:17:00] Because of the location I am

[6:17:04] going to support this project,

[6:17:09] however, there are things going

[6:17:13] to be breathing down staffs

[6:17:14] neck about all the way until

[6:17:15] the first shovel is in the

[6:17:16] grown.

[6:17:16] And you should to be aware of

[6:17:18] that.

[6:17:21] This is not good.

[6:17:23] This is a bad haircut.

[6:17:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:17:30] supervisor vega

[6:17:31] .

[6:17:32] >> Yesli Vega: a question for

[6:17:32] the county attorney.

[6:17:33] For clarification purposes, is

[6:17:35] this board committed are under

[6:17:38] the same pressure with the

[6:17:38] timing component of this

[6:17:44] application?

[6:17:44] >> the board has one year to

[6:17:45] act unless the applicant

[6:17:47] waives.

[6:17:48] And I am not sure when the

[6:17:54] application was filed.

[6:18:04] MAY of 24.

[6:18:05] So it has been more than a

[6:18:05] year.

[6:18:06] >> Yesli Vega: this board has

[6:18:07] to take action today?

[6:18:08] >> MS. Roble: I would recommend

[6:18:14] the board take action.

[6:18:15] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:18:15] nothing else?

[6:18:16] Before no thank you.

[6:18:17] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:18:18] does anyone else wish to speak

[6:18:18] on this?

[6:18:21] All right.

[6:18:22] Let's go ahead and take our

[6:18:22] vote.

[6:18:24] Spoke supervisor angry?

[6:18:26] >> Victor Angry: yes.

[6:18:33] >> thank you.

[6:18:34] Motion passes 7/1 supervisor

[6:18:35] vega voting no.

[6:18:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:18:40] on the right.

[6:18:40] Thank you so very much.

[6:18:43] The attorney has asked for a

[6:18:44] brief recess and I will grant

[6:18:47] that.

[6:18:47] We have 10 minutes and then

[6:18:49] everyone please come back if

[6:20:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:21:00] we are back.

[6:21:01] Going to ask everyone to find a

[6:21:01] seat and we are going to start

[6:21:10] with the applicant

[6:21:10] .

[6:21:11] I'm going to let everyone know

[6:21:12] we are going to combine the

[6:21:13] presentation and the public

[6:21:14] hearings 413 b and c. The

[6:21:21] applicant will present the cpa

[6:21:21] as well as the rezoning.

[6:21:22] The county will give their

[6:21:23] presentation and then I will

[6:21:29] open up the public hearing.

[6:21:29] Thank you.

[6:21:29] You can proceed.

[6:21:30] >> good evening turned

[6:21:32] jefferson to members of the

[6:21:33] board.

[6:21:33] For the record my name is

[6:21:34] jonelle cameron with walsh

[6:21:35] colucci, lou bly and walsh.

[6:21:36] Here with me tonight on behalf

[6:21:43] of jr real estate group by the

[6:21:44] applicant, our civil

[6:21:45] engineering team,

[6:21:46] transportation team and

[6:21:46] environmental team to answer

[6:21:47] any questions that you all MAY

[6:21:52] have.

[6:21:53] As a roadmap we are going to

[6:21:54] walk through the property

[6:21:55] location, land use and zoning,

[6:21:56] the proposal which includes

[6:21:57] open space and buffers,

[6:21:58] amenities, transportation we

[6:21:58] will then end with 3d exhibits

[6:21:59] to show you how the development

[6:22:05] will look in a very brief video

[6:22:06] that walks through the

[6:22:06] development.

[6:22:13] The applicant is a contract

[6:22:14] purchaser of eight parcels and

[6:22:15] is seeking encumbrance a plan

[6:22:16] amendment onto the parcels in a

[6:22:20] rezoning and all of the

[6:22:20] properties.

[6:22:21] The property is a little less

[6:22:22] than 58 acres in size.

[6:22:25] Here is william parkway and

[6:22:32] here is hoadley road.

[6:22:32] The property is currently zoned

[6:22:33] a-1 agriculture and sr one semi

[6:22:37] rural residential

[6:22:37] .

[6:22:38] It is comprehensively planned

[6:22:39] mixed-use 3, residential

[6:22:42] neighborhood 2 in orpa occoquan

[6:22:44] resource protection area.

[6:22:48] The proposal proposal is a

[6:22:49] conference a plan amendment to

[6:22:54] designate the entire property

[6:22:54] is mixed-use 3 and a rezoning

[6:23:01] to planned mixed residential.

[6:23:02] The applicant is seeking that

[6:23:02] comprehensive plan amendment on

[6:23:08] the parcels here.

[6:23:09] The applicant has conducted

[6:23:10] significant community outreach

[6:23:19] and based on feedback the

[6:23:19] proposal has changed.

[6:23:20] What you see on the screen is

[6:23:21] the initial proposal.

[6:23:22] The original proposal included

[6:23:23] 434 two units that include a

[6:23:24] multifamily stacked unit here,

[6:23:25] townhome units here and here,

[6:23:31] duplex units here, to

[6:23:32] multifamily buildings here in a

[6:23:33] community center to be open to

[6:23:44] the public here.

[6:23:44] This slide shows the final

[6:23:45] proposal based on input from

[6:23:45] the community.

[6:23:47] The applicant is proposing 279

[6:23:47] residential units.

[6:23:48] 265 are single-family attached

[6:23:51] units because he will know as

[6:23:52] townhomes and 14 are duplex

[6:23:53] units.

[6:23:57] 28 will be a dus.

[6:24:01] The applicant is now proposing

[6:24:05] -- inclusive areas defined as

[6:24:07] er po and there are around

[6:24:11] eight dwelling units per acre

[6:24:12] if you exclude the b3 portion

[6:24:18] in this area here.

[6:24:18] Access will be from galveston

[6:24:23] court here are

[6:24:23] , right in right

[6:24:24] out access from hoadley road

[6:24:26] here and access from a new

[6:24:28] public road public road a I

[6:24:29] will go into further detail

[6:24:39] with you on in this area here.

[6:24:40] This slide shows the rear

[6:24:41] loaded townhome elevation!

[6:24:41] He

[6:24:41] applicant is seeking

[6:24:42] modifications of the width of

[6:24:53] the townhomes to allow for 16

[6:24:54] foot townhomes that allow for

[6:24:55] seven townhomes in a row.

[6:24:55] N

[6:24:56] increase in height 45 feet to

[6:24:57] allow for rooftop terraces and

[6:24:58] a reduction in the minimum

[6:24:59] setback for roof decks,

[6:25:00] students, landings and similar

[6:25:01] features in a reduction of the

[6:25:01] minimum footprint for the

[6:25:10] townhomes.

[6:25:10] This slide is an illustrative

[6:25:12] of the duplex the applicant is

[6:25:13] seeking modifications to

[6:25:13] decrease the minimum lot area

[6:25:24] to 39 hundred square feet and

[6:25:25] reduce the lot with to 38 feet.

[6:25:26] In MAY 2024 the board initiated

[6:25:26] the comprehensive plan

[6:25:28] amendment at the request of the

[6:25:29] applicant to change the

[6:25:34] designation to mixed-use 3. At

[6:25:35] the time of the initiation

[6:25:35] planning staff recommended

[6:25:40] approval with for the

[6:25:41] regulations you on the see on

[6:25:41] the screen.

[6:25:42] The first was to provide a

[6:25:49] minimum of 60 percent open

[6:25:50] space in the area is currently

[6:25:51] designated as orpa pick the

[6:25:52] second recommendation was to

[6:25:54] provide a minimum of 60 percent

[6:25:57] undisturbed area within that

[6:26:04] open space.

[6:26:05] The applicant was encouraged to

[6:26:06] preserve preservation of a

[6:26:07] natural buffer or existing

[6:26:09] woodland or forestation area of

[6:26:10] 50 feet along each side of all

[6:26:16] significant non-rpa streams

[6:26:16] ,

[6:26:17] and the applicant was asked to

[6:26:18] commit additional measures to

[6:26:19] improve water quality to the

[6:26:21] occoquan river watershed.

[6:26:22] With this application the

[6:26:24] applicant has met or exceeded

[6:26:26] the county recommendations in

[6:26:27] the comprehensive plan.

[6:26:30] The

[6:26:34] total of 56 percent of the

[6:26:35] entire site is open space pick

[6:26:39] the applicant is preserving 64

[6:26:40] percent of the area designated

[6:26:41] as open space.

[6:26:47] In addition the applicant is

[6:26:48] preserving 65 percent of that

[6:26:53] open space as undisturbed.

[6:26:54] That's a little less than eight

[6:26:55] acres the applicant exceeded

[6:26:55] the county requirement will

[6:27:05] request to commit to 60 open

[6:27:06] space within the area

[6:27:06] designated as orpa and to

[6:27:07] preserve 60 percent of that

[6:27:07] open space.

[6:27:08] He applicant is

[6:27:10] providing 20 foot buffers along

[6:27:11] hoadley road.

[6:27:13] A 30 foot buffer adjacent to

[6:27:15] dorrell nor

[6:27:19] , 50 foot buffers

[6:27:19] adjacent to the residential and

[6:27:24] 30 foot buffers that will be

[6:27:26] undisturbed adjacent to the

[6:27:26] residential neighborhood tear

[6:27:29] and 50 foot buffer adjacent to

[6:27:34] prince william parkway.

[6:27:35] The next regulation was to

[6:27:36] encourage the applicant to

[6:27:43] provide a 50 foot buffer next

[6:27:44] to non-rpa streams pick the

[6:27:44] applicant was able to

[6:27:45] accomplish that in most areas

[6:27:49] except for the area here in the

[6:27:50] area here.

[6:27:54] The area here is where the

[6:27:55] storm water management facility

[6:27:55] is.

[6:27:58] There was a cultural resource

[6:28:01] found on the site that is going

[6:28:02] to be retained in undisturbed

[6:28:04] and because of that the

[6:28:08] applicant is unable to relocate

[6:28:09] the storm water management

[6:28:13] facility to the east so that's

[6:28:14] why they were able to commit to

[6:28:15] a full 50 foot buffer in this

[6:28:18] area here in this area is for

[6:28:20] they enter personal connection

[6:28:23] to maple valley grove and the

[6:28:32] road network.

[6:28:33] The applicant has proffered

[6:28:34] several proffers as a relates

[6:28:35] to environmental protections

[6:28:36] within the occoquan watershed.

[6:28:41] The applicant permitted to an

[6:28:41] area designated as orpa pick

[6:28:44] the applicant committed to

[6:28:45] construct a sediment basin at

[6:28:47] the very beginning of the very

[6:28:51] development of preconstruction

[6:28:51] and essentially what this does

[6:28:56] is it allows for there to be

[6:28:57] additional mitigation treatment

[6:28:59] during construction

[6:28:59] .

[6:29:00] Normally you wouldn't put in

[6:29:01] the settlement basins and so

[6:29:05] there is a concern some of the

[6:29:06] erosion would go into the

[6:29:08] water.

[6:29:11] From a stormwater management

[6:29:12] perspective, the applicant

[6:29:13] proffered low impact

[6:29:18] development in the area

[6:29:19] .

[6:29:20] The applicant also proffered to

[6:29:20] not purchase any off-site

[6:29:25] nutrient credits to comply with

[6:29:26] water quality requirements.

[6:29:27] And to my knowledge this is the

[6:29:27] only time this has been

[6:29:29] proffered.

[6:29:30] The applicant also proffered a

[6:29:31] reduction in phosphorus by 60

[6:29:33] percent.

[6:29:35] The county

[6:29:36] , they do not have a

[6:29:41] zoning ordinance as to how you

[6:29:43] develop in the orpa area.

[6:29:47] Fairfax duns in fairfax has a

[6:29:50] similar area with the occoquan

[6:29:51] and these recommendations are

[6:29:52] proffers came from what fairfax

[6:29:58] requires and so for example, in

[6:29:59] fairfax phosphorus reduction

[6:30:02] load is a minimum of 50 percent

[6:30:04] to the applicant proffered a

[6:30:08] minimum of 60 percent higher

[6:30:09] than what the requirement is in

[6:30:11] fairfax.

[6:30:14] In the next few slides I will

[6:30:15] review the amenities proposed

[6:30:20] on site.

[6:30:21] This slide shows the linear

[6:30:22] park, the dog park, the garden

[6:30:26] and reflection park.

[6:30:27] This slide here shows another

[6:30:28] border park.

[6:30:30] The central look community park

[6:30:42] is gated in this area here and

[6:30:43] then we also have the pony

[6:30:43] park, arrowhead trailhead and

[6:30:44] community garden.

[6:30:46] And the applicant originally

[6:30:47] proposed the application, that

[6:30:49] trailhead was in this area as

[6:30:50] well and it looped around.

[6:30:54] Based on feedback from the

[6:30:54] community they wanted the trail

[6:30:57] moved further away from the

[6:30:58] development and the applicant

[6:31:01] agreed to do that, which is why

[6:31:02] you see the trail in the

[6:31:08] location that it is today.

[6:31:09] This slide shows overall

[6:31:10] transportation note and

[6:31:12] network.

[6:31:13] As part of the proposal the

[6:31:15] applicant is required to

[6:31:16] conduct a traffic impact

[6:31:16] analysis

[6:31:20] .

[6:31:21] Required to look at the five

[6:31:22] intersections on the screen.

[6:31:25] Again, the required to look at

[6:31:26] the existing levels of service,

[6:31:30] what are the levels of service

[6:31:31] in the future without you

[6:31:32] development including a two

[6:31:33] percent growth rate per year as

[6:31:34] well as unapproved projects

[6:31:36] which include the dorrell nor

[6:31:41] expansion project.

[6:31:42] They were then required to look

[6:31:43] at what at the levels of

[6:31:44] service in the future winter

[6:31:49] project, the two percent growth

[6:31:50] rate in the dorrell nor

[6:31:51] expansion and they are required

[6:31:51] to look at it in the future

[6:31:53] assuming maple valley grove was

[6:32:06] also approved.

[6:32:07] All of the intersections

[6:32:08] operated at acceptable levels

[6:32:09] of service except for the

[6:32:10] intersection of prince william

[6:32:20] parkway and hoadley road.

[6:32:21] That intersection in the left

[6:32:22] movement here is a failing

[6:32:22] movement.

[6:32:23] Vdot kicked off the star study

[6:32:23] which looks at the corridor

[6:32:24] from prince william pkwy.,

[6:32:25] hoadley road and davis ford

[6:32:26] road all the way down to the

[6:32:27] intersection of hoadley and

[6:32:28] dumfries.

[6:32:28] That's designed to look at the

[6:32:33] future development and any

[6:32:34] improvements that need to be

[6:32:35] made to account for growth.

[6:32:37] The applicant has proffered

[6:32:41] over $71,000 for an interim

[6:32:41] improvement at this

[6:32:46] intersection.

[6:32:47] As part of the proposal the

[6:32:50] applicant is realigning the

[6:32:54] access

[6:32:54] , which is currently

[6:32:55] their access is in this

[6:32:56] location here.

[6:32:58] The applicant is creating

[6:33:07] public road a in this location

[6:33:07] here.

[6:33:08] That removes the offset

[6:33:08] geometry.

[6:33:09] So currently that access is

[6:33:13] offset from queens chapel road.

[6:33:14] This will now align the road.

[6:33:15] It reduces potential conflicts

[6:33:18] and it improves the operational

[6:33:21] efficiency.

[6:33:23] So today the access is an e at

[6:33:32] the intersection with the

[6:33:33] approval on the change did they

[6:33:34] signal it is now a level of

[6:33:37] service be until the delay is

[6:33:39] 48 seconds in the P.M.

[6:33:45] Reduction is 24.8 seconds on

[6:33:46] fridays the reduction is 37

[6:33:50] seconds.

[6:33:51] This slide shows the overall

[6:33:54] connectivity

[6:33:54] .

[6:33:55] There is a transfer station

[6:33:57] today on galveston court.

[6:33:59] The

[6:34:04] prophet a monetary contribution

[6:34:05] for three bus shelters, two on

[6:34:06] galveston court and one on

[6:34:07] hoadley road.

[6:34:08] The applicant also designed the

[6:34:11] state so if in the future on

[6:34:14] the right decides they want a

[6:34:15] stop internal to the site, that

[6:34:18] could be accommodated in this

[6:34:24] area here.

[6:34:25] As we were doing the community

[6:34:26] meetings

[6:34:26] , there were a lot of

[6:34:30] discussions about parking and

[6:34:31] what does parking look like,

[6:34:32] how are you all providing

[6:34:38] parking there are 708 parking

[6:34:38] spaces required.

[6:34:46] The applicant is providing 1124

[6:34:46] parking spaces.

[6:34:47] In addition the applicant

[6:34:48] designed the site so public

[6:34:49] road b can a public parking on

[6:34:49] the site.

[6:34:55] When you're calculating the

[6:34:56] number of parking spaces, the

[6:34:57] county and vdot did not allow

[6:35:03] you to include public street

[6:35:04] parking even though it can be

[6:35:04] used.

[6:35:05] If we were to include the

[6:35:06] public street parking, that is

[6:35:07] an additional 59 spaces so

[6:35:08] that's 1183 spaces.

[6:35:08] Or this

[6:35:13] project the applicant is over

[6:35:13] parked by over 400 parking

[6:35:19] spaces.

[6:35:20] There were comments made at the

[6:35:20] planning commission public

[6:35:22] hearing recommendations from

[6:35:25] staff and the staff report.

[6:35:26] I'm going to briefly review the

[6:35:31] proper revisions made.

[6:35:32] First as part of the project

[6:35:39] there is a b3 land debate.

[6:35:40] Staff wanted us to commit what

[6:35:40] the use would be.

[6:35:41] There were concerns it would be

[6:35:45] a shopping center or some more

[6:35:46] heavily intense commercial use.

[6:35:47] The applicant proffered and

[6:35:55] limited these uses to adult day

[6:35:56] care center, childcare

[6:35:57] facility, event center meeting

[6:35:58] hall, funeral home, office,

[6:35:59] religious institution and/or

[6:36:02] wedding chapel.

[6:36:03] An essential believe those are

[6:36:04] uses compatible with the uses

[6:36:04] dorrell nor has.

[6:36:06] But we wanted to say was one of

[6:36:09] the other uses that would be

[6:36:10] compatible with in a knot

[6:36:12] heavily intense.

[6:36:18] We also heard a lot of

[6:36:19] discussions and concerns from

[6:36:20] the folks who live along lost

[6:36:23] creek rd. Regarding their wells

[6:36:24] what would the development do

[6:36:24] or how would the development

[6:36:27] impact their wells

[6:36:27] .

[6:36:28] The applicant did a proffered

[6:36:29] to do a baseline study of 17

[6:36:32] wells immediately adjacent to

[6:36:35] the property.

[6:36:35] What that means is 60 days

[6:36:37] prior the applicant would send

[6:36:42] a letter to the neighbors

[6:36:42] offering to do a baseline

[6:36:43] study.

[6:36:45] That would test for both

[6:36:46] quality and quantity of the

[6:36:52] water.

[6:36:53] And when they were completed

[6:36:53] the site construction on the

[6:37:03] site offer to do another study

[6:37:04] to confirm that there were no

[6:37:04] impacts to the wells.

[6:37:05] If there is an impact of the

[6:37:06] well the applicant would be

[6:37:07] responsible to repair or

[6:37:08] replace that well.

[6:37:10] This slide shows those

[6:37:10] properties in which the letters

[6:37:13] would go to and are subject to

[6:37:19] that proffered to do that.

[6:37:20] Another change pertained to

[6:37:21] adding the low-impact

[6:37:23] development.

[6:37:24] That was a proffer not included

[6:37:25] that the planning commission

[6:37:27] public hearing, but it was a

[6:37:28] request from doctor jack on

[6:37:31] behalf of lou coppell so the

[6:37:33] applicant made that addition.

[6:37:37] The applicant also providing

[6:37:38] clarity in the credit and

[6:37:40] phosphorus reduction proffers

[6:37:40] as requested by watershed

[6:37:43] staff.

[6:37:47] In the next few slides I have

[6:37:52] aerials

[6:37:53] .

[6:37:54] This is the view from hoadley

[6:37:55] looking toward prince william

[6:37:58] pkwy.

[6:37:59] This is the view from the other

[6:38:01] location and direction.

[6:38:02] This is the right in, right out

[6:38:03] entrance.

[6:38:06] This is the area for the

[6:38:09] central community park.

[6:38:11] This is showing the clubhouse

[6:38:14] in this area here

[6:38:14] .

[6:38:19] And I do have one video I MAY

[6:38:19] need andrea has helped to

[6:38:47] upload.

[6:38:49] [Music]

[6:38:50] Split good evening.

[6:38:52] Gr real

[6:39:01] estate.

[6:39:01] Were challenged to grade a

[6:39:02] sense of place we wanted to pay

[6:39:03] all munch to the chris wood

[6:39:05] family and the horse farms.

[6:39:06] There's a corset theme

[6:39:07] throughout the tack shop, the

[6:39:08] bridle would park as well as

[6:39:08] the trails

[6:39:10] .

[6:39:10] As he will see everywhere as

[6:39:11] part of the development when

[6:39:15] you turn in he will actually

[6:39:16] turn into greenery and it's

[6:39:18] intended to look like that

[6:39:20] .

[6:39:20] As you turn into the site you

[6:39:21] will turn into linear parks

[6:39:23] throughout

[6:39:24] .

[6:39:25] We created a central amenity

[6:39:26] area that would be public

[6:39:27] access so this will be publicly

[6:39:30] accessible not just for the

[6:39:31] community.

[6:39:32] And we called this area

[6:39:33] .

[6:39:34] We are trying to keep the horse

[6:39:35] theme throughout and even the

[6:39:42] trail network within this area.

[6:39:43] In the clubhouse is just for

[6:39:45] the community and it creates

[6:39:46] the place for the community to

[6:39:47] have meeting space and grilling

[6:39:53] areas

[6:39:55] .

[6:39:56] What we did was we took out the

[6:39:57] units because that was what was

[6:39:58] at maple valley road so we can

[6:40:00] create integrated community.

[6:40:01] You different levels and sizes

[6:40:02] of townhomes to create a folder

[6:40:07] community between the

[6:40:08] multifamily, stacked townhomes

[6:40:09] and traditional townhomes.

[6:40:17] As you can see, the streets is

[6:40:17] a grid network.

[6:40:18] We parking everywhere.

[6:40:18] Ven

[6:40:19] the townhomes are rear loaded

[6:40:20] townhomes we purposely did

[6:40:20] that.

[6:40:23] And they have their

[6:40:23] own

[6:40:24] driveway so we could exceed

[6:40:25] parking requirements.

[6:40:26] With multiple playgrounds

[6:40:26] throughout the site.

[6:40:27] We have multiple amenities,

[6:40:28] community garden as well as a

[6:40:35] dog park that is there.

[6:40:36] We also purchased a piece of

[6:40:37] property so we could create the

[6:40:40] connection to the shopping

[6:40:41] center and make sure that's an

[6:40:49] accessible facility.

[6:40:50] Led dog park will be a part of

[6:40:51] that in the pond will be a wet

[6:40:52] pond that is and enticed it

[6:40:52] there.

[6:40:53] So the central park area will

[6:40:55] be publicly accessible and

[6:40:56] maintained by the hoa in the

[6:40:58] community.

[6:41:13] Thank you very much.

[6:41:14] >> the only thing I did not

[6:41:18] mention in my presentation is

[6:41:18] this property here was

[6:41:25] initially purchased to have

[6:41:26] another access point from lost

[6:41:27] creek so they did not have to

[6:41:27] come out at lost creek and

[6:41:28] hoadley.

[6:41:32] Based on feedback from the

[6:41:33] community they did not want the

[6:41:36] access point.

[6:41:37] That access point was removed

[6:41:38] on the applicant has stated

[6:41:41] that house would remain as a

[6:41:45] residential use.

[6:41:45] And I can answer any questions

[6:41:54] you all MAY have.

[6:41:55] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:41:56] I actually have a few I want to

[6:41:57] get started.

[6:41:58] You live in this area or

[6:41:58] nearby?

[6:41:59] >> yes.

[6:42:00] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:42:01] one of the questions I had

[6:42:02] proposed to me is there is a

[6:42:03] pond in front of where the

[6:42:09] horse farm is.

[6:42:10] Is that part of the neabsco

[6:42:11] creek works is that the

[6:42:13] headwaters?

[6:42:14] >> we do not believe that's the

[6:42:15] headwaters.

[6:42:17] We both are a civil engineer as

[6:42:18] well as the environmental

[6:42:24] consultant look at that.

[6:42:24] We believe it was a pond

[6:42:25] created for the horse farm

[6:42:34] itself.

[6:42:35] And I think I have an image.

[6:42:36] This is the pond being

[6:42:36] referenced today.

[6:42:37] The civil engineer looked and

[6:42:38] there is no evidence that there

[6:42:39] is actually any piping that

[6:42:40] goes from the pond anywhere

[6:42:43] else under the road.

[6:42:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:42:46] my next question, there is a

[6:42:48] small piece of land

[6:42:48] .

[6:42:52] Can you tell me

[6:42:53] .

[6:42:53] I have heard concerns it might

[6:42:55] be something not fitting

[6:43:02] say 711 or a retail.

[6:43:03] >> that's an area we proffered

[6:43:11] and I can repeat those uses.

[6:43:12] It is only permitted for an

[6:43:14] adult day care center,

[6:43:16] childcare facility

[6:43:16] , in the

[6:43:20] event or meeting hall, mortuary

[6:43:21] funeral home, office, religious

[6:43:22] institution and/or wedding

[6:43:27] chapel.

[6:43:28] In addition, this piece here

[6:43:30] shall be retained as a

[6:43:37] residential use.

[6:43:38] So when looking out what the

[6:43:39] uses are we looked at what is

[6:43:40] the special use permit and what

[6:43:42] do they have or what can they

[6:43:44] already do so it would be a

[6:43:47] compatible use.

[6:43:48] We did your concern somebody

[6:43:56] thought it could be in

[6:43:57] convenience store or a shopping

[6:43:58] center so we wanted to make

[6:44:01] sure we limited those uses.

[6:44:01] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:44:02] supervisor boddye.

[6:44:03] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you

[6:44:03] janelle.

[6:44:03] Long time no see.

[6:44:05] A couple questions

[6:44:05] .

[6:44:05] Transportation.

[6:44:12] You talked about not only the

[6:44:13] proffers to help enhance the

[6:44:14] bus shelters but also that

[6:44:15] center drive area there can you

[6:44:16] talk more about that the

[6:44:18] conversations we have had

[6:44:20] .

[6:44:23] >> we met with prt see on the

[6:44:31] site and the transfer station.

[6:44:32] They wanted to make sure with

[6:44:33] this project and the other

[6:44:35] project the transfer station

[6:44:35] would be able to be located in

[6:44:40] the vicinity.

[6:44:40] Initially what was proposed is

[6:44:42] that transfer station would

[6:44:45] come into the site.

[6:44:45] Omni ride came back and said we

[6:44:47] don't want it in the site.

[6:44:51] We want to keep it on galveston

[6:44:52] court and we said great, we are

[6:44:55] happy to do that.

[6:44:56] There are not bus shelters

[6:44:56] there so they are proffering

[6:44:59] the monetary contribution to be

[6:45:00] able to construct bus shelters

[6:45:07] where they see fit

[6:45:07] .

[6:45:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

[6:45:09] that.

[6:45:10] Lets down transportation.

[6:45:11] And you go back to what you're

[6:45:12] talking about our round the

[6:45:15] queens chapel.

[6:45:18] And you repeat what your

[6:45:19] improvements are going to do

[6:45:21] for that intersection in its

[6:45:29] performance?

[6:45:30] >> yes.

[6:45:31] The current access to dorrell

[6:45:31] nor is here.

[6:45:32] that is offset from the

[6:45:33] intersection for the applicant

[6:45:34] is proposing to construct

[6:45:35] public road a cup of it is on

[6:45:36] the side of the property line,

[6:45:40] the other half of it is on the

[6:45:40] squared side of the property

[6:45:41] line.

[6:45:45] What that does is it better

[6:45:47] aligns the intersection

[6:45:50] .

[6:45:52] What it also does is it poles

[6:45:54] people coming from the moss

[6:46:00] further into the site and so

[6:46:01] right now you can come in and

[6:46:01] turn left here or you come

[6:46:05] straight back and turned left.

[6:46:06] What this does is you come in

[6:46:06] and go straight and as a

[6:46:08] designated left turn lane into

[6:46:11] the site so it is pulling

[6:46:12] vehicles further from the

[6:46:13] intersection.

[6:46:15] When we looked at this

[6:46:15] , it's a

[6:46:18] 48 reduction in time that you

[6:46:24] are waiting at that light in

[6:46:25] the pmp cassette 24.8 second

[6:46:29] reduction that you are waiting

[6:46:30] on that line.

[6:46:33] And then on fridays because

[6:46:34] that is the main day for the

[6:46:38] moss, it's a 37 second

[6:46:39] reduction in the delay that you

[6:46:39] are waiting at that

[6:46:40] intersection.

[6:46:40] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[6:46:43] that.

[6:46:43] On the slide you have a you

[6:46:46] show it connects all the way to

[6:46:51] galveston.

[6:46:52] What does that do for the

[6:46:53] connectivity and folks

[6:46:53] concerned about the traffic

[6:46:59] around the mosque?

[6:47:00] >> what happens is when you're

[6:47:01] coming out it is controlled by

[6:47:01] the police

[6:47:01] !

[6:47:02] There is a police car here and

[6:47:05] then there are police cars or

[6:47:08] cars here.

[6:47:09] What's happening now as they

[6:47:14] come out during friday's.

[6:47:15] When you come out if you want

[6:47:16] to go back to prince william

[6:47:17] pkwy.

[6:47:20] You are making that you turn

[6:47:22] here which ultimately is a

[6:47:26] delay for people on ross creek

[6:47:27] or webster way trying to make a

[6:47:32] left out of their development.

[6:47:33] What this does is creates a

[6:47:34] street network so what the

[6:47:34] police could do is instead of

[6:47:44] making the u-turn

[6:47:47] , people can

[6:47:48] come down here and come out at

[6:47:49] galveston to make that left so

[6:47:50] it provides another option is

[6:47:51] an opportunity for police when

[6:47:52] they are doing the traffic

[6:47:55] management plan to determine

[6:47:56] the best way to get people back

[6:47:57] to the parkway commitment this

[6:47:58] way it avoids making the u-turn

[6:48:01] movement.

[6:48:02] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

[6:48:03] that.

[6:48:03] Ow to move quickly to

[6:48:04] environmental.

[6:48:05] Talked about the parental

[6:48:05] protections in the enhancement

[6:48:06] the applicant is going to be

[6:48:08] doing

[6:48:09] .

[6:48:10] Any talk about the timing as it

[6:48:13] pertains to the storm water

[6:48:14] management, the water

[6:48:15] protections in the delay

[6:48:17] between when you put it in and

[6:48:17] staff is a bit?

[6:48:20] What is being

[6:48:21] reflected in the previous staff

[6:48:25] report?

[6:48:28] >> what is being reflected in

[6:48:29] the previous staff report does

[6:48:33] not have that lad change

[6:48:33] .

[6:48:34] At the planning commission the

[6:48:35] proffers still have the

[6:48:36] nutrient credit in the

[6:48:38] phosphorus reduction.

[6:48:43] What watersheds staff wanted us

[6:48:44] to do was be clear with the 60

[6:48:47] percent meant.

[6:48:48] That's basically a reduction in

[6:48:52] 34 pounds.

[6:48:53] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[6:48:53] that.

[6:48:54] I wanted to see if a consultant

[6:48:55] wanted to add anything else to

[6:48:59] the water quality conversation.

[6:48:59] >> matt marshall.

[6:49:00] N the

[6:49:03] engineer for the applicant.

[6:49:04] There are two parts.

[6:49:05] Number one is about the

[6:49:05] settlement basin we are talking

[6:49:08] about.

[6:49:09] We are building a permanent

[6:49:14] pond in phase 1. In lieu of

[6:49:15] billing and settlement trapper

[6:49:16] basin and then building the

[6:49:16] pond.

[6:49:23] So you only have to do it once.

[6:49:24] Minimize the amount of sediment

[6:49:26] that can migrate downstream in

[6:49:27] the permanent pond also has

[6:49:28] tripled the capacity of what it

[6:49:28] would have allowing for more

[6:49:29] storage and settlement

[6:49:30] materials to the bond.

[6:49:32] Number two relative to quality.

[6:49:32] We are deploying treatment

[6:49:33] degree of underground storm

[6:49:35] water management and something

[6:49:41] else we are using called an mtd

[6:49:42] someone referencing them as a

[6:49:42] jellyfish.

[6:49:44] It helps improve the water

[6:49:47] quality, significantly above

[6:49:49] what is required by the minimum

[6:49:49] code and that is what we are

[6:49:50] proposing here.

[6:49:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:49:53] all right.

[6:49:54] To be have anyone else with any

[6:49:55] questions?

[6:49:55] Supervisor vega?

[6:49:59] before can you address some of

[6:50:01] the questions from folks who

[6:50:05] talk about the 60 percent you

[6:50:06] are leaving undisturbed in

[6:50:07] regards to how much of that can

[6:50:09] be built on?

[6:50:10] And if we can pull it up on the

[6:50:11] map

[6:50:15] .

[6:50:16] >> there been questions

[6:50:17] .

[6:50:19] I think supervisor vega what

[6:50:21] you are getting to is our

[6:50:23] limits and development is

[6:50:25] essentially a gray line here in

[6:50:33] the question or comment I thank

[6:50:34] you were getting to is you are

[6:50:34] saving it but you couldn't

[6:50:35] build on that anyways.

[6:50:36] Is that correct?

[6:50:36] >> yes.

[6:50:41] >> so the acreage that we are

[6:50:44] preserving is a little bit

[6:50:47] under 18 acres undisturbed.

[6:50:50] Actual rpa area I believe is

[6:50:51] somewhere in the neighborhood

[6:50:58] of 4 to 6 acres victor is

[6:50:58] actually 12+ acres of

[6:51:00] developable that are going to

[6:51:00] be undisturbed.

[6:51:04] Anomaly undisturbed.

[6:51:05] We have proffered to put them

[6:51:07] in a conservation trust that

[6:51:08] will remain as undisturbed in

[6:51:18] perpetuity.

[6:51:19] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:51:19] anything else.

[6:51:20] >> Yesli Vega: I think I

[6:51:20] misspoke.

[6:51:21] I think I said 60 acres.

[6:51:22] 60 percent.

[6:51:24] I just wanted to

[6:51:24] correct myself.

[6:51:26] Thank you.

[6:51:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:51:29] I would like to invite the

[6:51:54] county to present.

[6:51:56] >> good evening.

[6:51:59] Case planner for the cpa

[6:52:06] request.

[6:52:06] this is to change long-range

[6:52:09] land use of the property of

[6:52:19] almost 48 acres to mu3.

[6:52:20] Pc recommend denial for this

[6:52:20] case.

[6:52:22] Staff recommends approval of

[6:52:25] the cpa.

[6:52:30] The slideshows existing

[6:52:31] long-range land use and

[6:52:33] proposed for this request.

[6:52:35] As you see

[6:52:37] , the area on the

[6:52:40] north and east side plan for

[6:52:44] orpa in the west side and south

[6:52:47] side are planned

[6:52:47] .

[6:52:51] This slide compares long-range

[6:52:52] land use

[6:52:58] , existing as you see

[6:52:58] ,

[6:53:02] it is plan to protect occoquan

[6:53:02] reservoir by reducing density

[6:53:06] in the area to one dwelling per

[6:53:11] five acres and recommended

[6:53:12] space for the land use up to 60

[6:53:20] percent in the primary use is

[6:53:21] residential.

[6:53:22] And primary use is residential

[6:53:27] and minimum spaces 30 percent

[6:53:34] and density is 1 to 4 dwelling

[6:53:35] per acre.

[6:53:38] For mu3, the primary uses

[6:53:42] residential and commercial and

[6:53:43] office use densities 4 to 12

[6:53:44] dwelling per acre.

[6:53:53] The applicant 90 don't 12 and

[6:54:00] seven dwelling and land baby

[6:54:01] which the residential land with

[6:54:03] a proposal.

[6:54:07] To provide 67 percent 56

[6:54:10] percent open space in the

[6:54:17] rezoning property and also they

[6:54:18] going to build 265 dwelling in

[6:54:20] their application

[6:54:20] .

[6:54:21] 10 percent defined as

[6:54:27] affordable units.

[6:54:28] There are some of this

[6:54:31] application.

[6:54:32] In the proposal includes

[6:54:36] development

[6:54:36] , some alarmingly

[6:54:38] sensitive areas shown here and

[6:54:42] here and they provide a buffer

[6:54:43] as recommended by the board in

[6:54:44] the initiation process.

[6:54:48] The

[6:54:51] applicant also expands the

[6:54:52] request in the zoning and on

[6:54:55] the property which makes

[6:54:56] consistency in the boundary of

[6:55:00] the request

[6:55:01] , the boundary of

[6:55:01] the cpa request and zoning

[6:55:02] request.

[6:55:07] And also, the ad commercial use

[6:55:07] which is not discussed in the

[6:55:11] process and its intense use in

[6:55:18] orpa.

[6:55:24] The applicant provides mix of

[6:55:25] residential housing including

[6:55:25] affordable units

[6:55:28] , addressing

[6:55:31] the county housing needs

[6:55:31] .

[6:55:37] The request also in support

[6:55:38] mixed-use development in the

[6:55:40] area in line at the smart

[6:55:42] growth and policy conference

[6:55:47] and plan the applicant

[6:55:48] committed to preserve to

[6:55:52] provide 60 percent open space

[6:55:53] and protect 60 percent which is

[6:55:57] 36 percent undisturbed in the

[6:56:03] request.

[6:56:05] Staff recommends approval

[6:56:10] .

[6:56:11] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:56:12] does anyone on the dais have

[6:56:19] any questions.

[6:56:20] Supervisor vega

[6:56:23] ?

[6:56:27] >> Yesli Vega: MR. Cobra

[6:56:32] .

[6:56:33] We didn't hear your name at the

[6:56:34] beginning.

[6:56:36] >> rizo

[6:56:38] .

[6:56:42] >> Ricardo Canizales: okay.

[6:56:43] can you refresh my memory and

[6:56:45] tell me what the primary

[6:56:50] purpose of the orpa is?

[6:56:51] >> to reduce density and have

[6:56:54] one dwelling per five acre to

[6:56:58] protect occoquan reservoir.

[6:57:00] >> wise occoquan reservoir so

[6:57:05] crucial for our county.

[6:57:06] >> the main source of water in

[6:57:13] our county and the main idea

[6:57:14] for orpa is reducing pollution

[6:57:17] in the watershed and also

[6:57:30] manage water with low density

[6:57:30] manage occoquan reservoir.

[6:57:31] >> Yesli Vega: thank you.

[6:57:32] That is all I have for now.

[6:57:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[6:57:34] supervisor boddye than bailey.

[6:57:35] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you

[6:57:35] messenger.

[6:57:36] Thank you for your

[6:57:41] presentation.

[6:57:41] Appreciate you.

[6:57:42] You have not been doing this in

[6:57:43] front of the board very long so

[6:57:45] good job so far. You back off

[6:57:46] what supervisor vega asked.

[6:57:51] Because of the unique nature

[6:57:52] why did you decide to require

[6:57:53] in the 60 percent of the

[6:57:56] current area to be undisturbed

[6:58:07] to be open space.

[6:58:07] That 60 percent to be

[6:58:08] undisturbed.

[6:58:08] >> this strategy we wanted to

[6:58:09] mitigate the impact of the

[6:58:10] development by protecting some

[6:58:10] area.

[6:58:11] First for the widening of the

[6:58:14] space and protecting the

[6:58:16] watershed by making them

[6:58:17] undisturbed

[6:58:20] .

[6:58:21] We don't have any authority to

[6:58:24] protect the property owner can

[6:58:25] do what they want to do.

[6:58:32] But my proffering we can better

[6:58:33] management

[6:58:40] .

[6:58:41] >> Kenny Boddye: can you

[6:58:42] complete that in a slightly

[6:58:42] different way?

[6:58:43] We do not have a zoning

[6:58:43] district for orpa.

[6:58:47] Of any protections would be

[6:58:48] able to impose upon them for

[6:58:49] the water supply?

[6:58:53] >> no.

[6:58:55] >> Kenny Boddye: appreciate

[6:58:56] that

[6:58:58] .

[6:59:03] As we talked about slopes and

[6:59:04] other things because we talked

[6:59:05] about the level of protections

[6:59:05] that

[6:59:06] the applicant is proposing

[6:59:06] for this.

[6:59:12] Other elements he would like to

[6:59:16] see in future proposals?

[6:59:20] >> I am a member of a resident

[6:59:21] group.

[6:59:27] One of the main concerns is the

[6:59:28] development.

[6:59:32] So I think reducing salt

[6:59:38] pollution in the water is the

[6:59:40] main factor we need to take

[6:59:41] care of

[6:59:45] .

[6:59:46] >> Kenny Boddye: my last

[6:59:47] question goes to looking at

[6:59:50] this more holistically.

[6:59:51] We talked about maple valley

[6:59:52] grove and the connections here

[6:59:53] in the shopping center what

[6:59:57] have you.

[6:59:58] In your opinion, how does this

[6:59:59] make a cohesive area given the

[7:00:00] applicant talked about the fact

[7:00:01] they change their unit mix to

[7:00:04] be a more cohesive holistic

[7:00:04] community?

[7:00:13] >> they protect the northern

[7:00:16] part of the property that has

[7:00:20] more major trees and south of

[7:00:23] the property is planned for

[7:00:27] mainly residential.

[7:00:31] And they are using some area

[7:00:32] and connecting to mu3 this area

[7:00:38] close to commercial park.

[7:00:38] I think this is a good design

[7:00:42] for this development.

[7:00:45] And the location is very close

[7:00:49] to mu3.

[7:00:52] And helps to have a mixture

[7:00:56] development there.

[7:01:00] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you.

[7:01:01] >> tonya washington planning

[7:01:02] director.

[7:01:03] I just wanted to add in looking

[7:01:06] at the bigger context, I think

[7:01:06] that's the question you are

[7:01:07] asking about.

[7:01:12] This area, I don't know if it's

[7:01:13] in the presentation but in the

[7:01:15] previous one when you saw the

[7:01:20] mu3 areas, essentially they are

[7:01:21] so directed toward prince

[7:01:22] william pkwy. And hoadley road.

[7:01:25] This is essentially a site

[7:01:26] extension of that but it is

[7:01:29] including

[7:01:29] , if you also consider

[7:01:34] the 60 percent of that area and

[7:01:35] does open space it's creating a

[7:01:37] cluster development closer to

[7:01:39] the roads.

[7:01:40] And so it is sort of building

[7:01:44] off of the mu3 focus closer to

[7:01:47] the prince william pkwy.

[7:01:47] And the government center

[7:01:48] activity center

[7:01:52] .

[7:01:53] Which is a crossed the major

[7:01:54] intersection.

[7:01:59] It's creating a more cluster

[7:02:00] development around the area but

[7:02:04] with that cpa request still

[7:02:08] preserving the area is open

[7:02:11] space.

[7:02:12] >> Kenny Boddye: very last one

[7:02:14] can you talk about the density

[7:02:17] a crossed hoadley and the

[7:02:20] differences between the density

[7:02:24] a crossed the street and then

[7:02:34] density here at hoadley square?

[7:02:35] >> supervisor boddye, alex from

[7:02:35] the planning office.

[7:02:40] On the other side of hoadley we

[7:02:41] have housing stock as well.

[7:02:41] We do have

[7:02:42] apartments.

[7:02:45] We do have townhouses as well

[7:02:48] as single-family detached.

[7:02:51] This adds to the element.

[7:02:52] In particular this one

[7:02:55] supplements what we have on the

[7:03:03] other side of hoadley road.

[7:03:04] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:03:06] supervisor bailey then vega

[7:03:06] .

[7:03:07] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[7:03:11] thank you MADAM Chair.

[7:03:12] Wanted to ask

[7:03:15] , slide number

[7:03:16] seven

[7:03:20] , the environmental

[7:03:25] commitment.

[7:03:25] .

[7:03:30] Yes, that one.

[7:03:31] Was 60 percent open space about

[7:03:32] 30 percent

[7:03:39] .

[7:03:40] >> 60 percent of that 60

[7:03:43] percent should to be

[7:03:43] undisturbed.

[7:03:46] 60 percent of 60 percent means

[7:03:47] 36 percent

[7:03:53] .

[7:03:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice

[7:03:54] Chair:.You.

[7:03:55] And the other question I have

[7:03:58] is where there is an expansion

[7:04:05] of the road by the door eleanor

[7:04:10] piece, we've been talking about

[7:04:10] the last three or four years

[7:04:15] the congestion there.

[7:04:16] Will that additional expansion

[7:04:18] allow for less congestion in

[7:04:27] that area?

[7:04:28] Because I know there is no

[7:04:30] light there.

[7:04:34] >> since we looked at the cpa

[7:04:39] in tandem we recommend is that

[7:04:40] rezoning would have to mitigate

[7:04:43] any impacts to the road

[7:04:53] network.

[7:04:54] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[7:04:54] it helps though?

[7:04:55] >> yes.

[7:04:57] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[7:04:57] the other piece I want to ask

[7:04:58] about, the presentation

[7:04:58] mentioned there was a private

[7:04:59] clubhouse that is a part of the

[7:05:04] project.

[7:05:05] Is there a spot I recall open

[7:05:06] to the public in that area

[7:05:10] also?

[7:05:11] >> supervisor bailey, we still

[7:05:14] have to do a presentation on

[7:05:15] the rezoning application and so

[7:05:15] your question might be to that

[7:05:20] part.

[7:05:21] That combines a plan amendment.

[7:05:22] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[7:05:23] will hold it until then.

[7:05:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:05:26] supervisor vega

[7:05:26] .

[7:05:27] >> Yesli Vega: thank you MADAM

[7:05:31] Chair.

[7:05:34] [Name] And got it right.

[7:05:35] Just as a follow-up to a

[7:05:40] comment

[7:05:41] , what would buy right

[7:05:41] density look like in comparison

[7:05:45] to this project?

[7:05:47] >> comprehensive plan is a

[7:05:49] guideline.

[7:05:52] By right densities is a zoning

[7:05:59] issue.

[7:06:00] And now it is one and they

[7:06:01] request to rezone the property.

[7:06:06] By right it is a one.

[7:06:07] >> Yesli Vega: for later?

[7:06:07] Fair enough.

[7:06:12] I will ask it then.

[7:06:13] But can I have watershed

[7:06:13] management.

[7:06:16] Db have somebody here?

[7:06:17] >> we do.

[7:06:30] We have claymore.

[7:06:31] >> what protects the watershed

[7:06:33] better.

[7:06:38] Development of the sort

[7:06:38] ?

[7:06:39] >> if you look at the intent it

[7:06:40] was meant to reduce

[7:06:41] imperviousness

[7:06:41] .

[7:06:46] and that strategy could be for

[7:06:46] infiltration as well as

[7:06:56] stormwater management.

[7:06:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:06:57] does anyone else have

[7:07:00] questions?

[7:07:13] You MAY resume.

[7:07:17] >> hello everyone.

[7:07:21] Case planner of the trenton

[7:07:24] square application

[7:07:24] .

[7:07:28] The hoadley square application

[7:07:29] part of the zoning is located

[7:07:33] north of hoadley road and south

[7:07:41] of the prince william pkwy.

[7:07:42] This is a rezoning application.

[7:07:43] The applicant requests to

[7:07:49] rezone the 57.69 acres to pmr

[7:07:51] planned mixed residential to

[7:07:56] allow for development for

[7:07:57] development of 279 residential

[7:07:59] units

[7:08:02] .

[7:08:03] The zoning of the application

[7:08:11] I'm talking about the boundary

[7:08:12] of the rezoning.

[7:08:12] As mentioned, the boundary of

[7:08:13] the cpa is different from the

[7:08:19] rezoning.

[7:08:20] Most part of the application,

[7:08:21] zoning of the application is a1

[7:08:23] and we have it as r 1 in the

[7:08:27] property located in the rest of

[7:08:30] the project.

[7:08:33] The land use of the application

[7:08:35] is containing of three parts.

[7:08:43] Orpa or in two mu3.

[7:08:44] Again, the property on the

[7:08:48] rezoning application is not a

[7:09:00] cpa request to mu3.

[7:09:01] Following the cpa request to

[7:09:06] change the orpa with mixed use

[7:09:07] neighborhood, the target land

[7:09:12] use is 50 percent to 85 percent

[7:09:17] for residential development and

[7:09:18] 10 percent to 45 percent for

[7:09:21] nonresidential.

[7:09:22] Primary use for single-family

[7:09:24] detached

[7:09:24] .

[7:09:30] implementing zoning district is

[7:09:35] for pmr in the target

[7:09:42] residential density is 20 units

[7:09:43] per acre

[7:09:46] .

[7:09:47] Application for rezoning

[7:09:51] application the applicant

[7:09:51] provides a mixed type

[7:09:54] development.

[7:09:55] This is a development for

[7:09:59] residential and nonresidential

[7:10:05] for 265 townhouse for duplex

[7:10:06] and recreation area.

[7:10:07] On the other hand the applicant

[7:10:13] requests to provide the service

[7:10:14] and the rest of the property

[7:10:20] implementing zoning and provide

[7:10:21] the density and rezoning

[7:10:24] application is eight

[7:10:24] .

[7:10:25] That is completely consistent

[7:10:31] density of the mu3.

[7:10:32] The proposed rezoning is

[7:10:35] consistent with mu3, but the

[7:10:38] proposed designation is a

[7:10:40] nonresidential development is

[7:10:44] not consistent with mu3

[7:10:51] designation.

[7:10:52] To background and summary of

[7:10:53] the development of the

[7:10:56] application.

[7:10:59] The applicant requests 432

[7:11:01] units development

[7:11:05] , just to type

[7:11:05] of houses.

[7:11:12] Multifamily and townhouse.

[7:11:13] And in the second and third

[7:11:14] submission the number of the

[7:11:16] units reduced to 370 in the

[7:11:17] last submission, the number of

[7:11:22] the units to 279 in the

[7:11:26] applicant completely changed

[7:11:27] the multifamily tab the house

[7:11:28] from the application.

[7:11:32] Is means from the first

[7:11:36] application to last, the

[7:11:37] density of the application

[7:11:39] reduced 35

[7:11:42] .

[7:11:42] As I mentioned the application

[7:11:43] is contained on the residential

[7:11:50] development

[7:11:50] .

[7:11:51] Nonresidential development is

[7:11:52] containing in the two parts.

[7:11:55] The applicant requests to onto

[7:11:56] the kiosk and seasonal activity

[7:11:59] in the other proposed

[7:12:00] development in terms of the

[7:12:04] nonresidential development is

[7:12:05] related to the land bay that

[7:12:06] they applicant proffers to

[7:12:11] provide the b3 or retail

[7:12:15] district in land bay d that I

[7:12:17] mentioned is not consistent

[7:12:22] .

[7:12:23] In terms of residential

[7:12:26] development, the application is

[7:12:30] the total 279 units that is

[7:12:38] contained in the 265 townhouse

[7:12:39] and 14 duplex.

[7:12:39] It means 95 percent of the

[7:12:43] units are townhouse and five

[7:12:46] percent of the units

[7:12:51] single-family detached.

[7:12:52] The weakness of the application

[7:12:59] are concerned about the

[7:12:59] application.

[7:13:00] First of all, the first concern

[7:13:01] and weakness of the application

[7:13:04] is related to trafficking.

[7:13:08] Proudly square application is

[7:13:11] close to the mosque

[7:13:14] , school and

[7:13:17] commercial area.

[7:13:21] So closing to this area would

[7:13:23] increase the traffic congestion

[7:13:27] .

[7:13:32] The other concern of the

[7:13:33] application is related to the

[7:13:34] land of a. As I mentioned, the

[7:13:37] applicant proffered to provide

[7:13:38] the nonresidential development

[7:13:43] in this area.

[7:13:44] The applicant proffered and for

[7:13:45] what type of the development,

[7:13:47] but in the exact development on

[7:13:53] the exact purpose of the

[7:13:54] nonresidential didn't detain by

[7:13:57] the applicant.

[7:13:58] so staff needs to have wendy

[7:14:01] dylan information to review the

[7:14:05] type development to review and

[7:14:06] analyze the design standards

[7:14:09] all to ensure all the

[7:14:10] necessaries consistent with

[7:14:18] development regulation

[7:14:18] .

[7:14:19] Staff needs to be consistent

[7:14:20] potential impact of the

[7:14:23] nonresidential development on

[7:14:30] adjacent area.

[7:14:31] School impacted.

[7:14:32] This would confirm that this

[7:14:34] application the future student

[7:14:36] for the future student

[7:14:38] generated but the application

[7:14:40] is not in the space for

[7:14:42] elementary school and high

[7:14:47] school.

[7:14:48] Some of the key points that is

[7:14:51] a string is created the

[7:14:57] conservation of the national

[7:14:57] space the applicant during the

[7:15:02] cpa and rezoning process

[7:15:03] proffers and provides more than

[7:15:07] 60 percent open space and tries

[7:15:13] the best to conserve the orpa

[7:15:13] area.

[7:15:14] The other key point is related

[7:15:15] to multipurpose recreational

[7:15:21] area.

[7:15:21] On this application and

[7:15:22] rezoning application, the

[7:15:23] applicant proposed and

[7:15:27] proffered to provide the area

[7:15:28] like the central community

[7:15:34] park, community garden and

[7:15:34] trained it.

[7:15:34] The other string of the

[7:15:38] application is related to

[7:15:39] proffers to provide the 28

[7:15:43] dwelling units or 10 percent

[7:15:48] for this application and

[7:15:52] project.

[7:15:55] So after we review the

[7:15:56] application with different

[7:15:57] agents

[7:16:00] , staff recommends the

[7:16:00] board community supervisor

[7:16:06] approve rezoning 2024-00 23

[7:16:10] .

[7:16:11] It's great subject to proffers

[7:16:15] dated DECEMBER 01, 2025 for the

[7:16:16] following reasons.

[7:16:18] The rezoning is resistant with

[7:16:19] the long range designation

[7:16:23] except on the western portion

[7:16:24] of the property.

[7:16:29] The applicant and site

[7:16:30] connectivity to meet the

[7:16:31] residence needs applicant

[7:16:35] proffers provide the 10 percent

[7:16:39] or 28 dwelling units in the

[7:16:40] last key point in the

[7:16:43] application for approval is

[7:16:45] related to conservation of the

[7:16:49] existing space and environment

[7:16:52] resource protection proffered

[7:16:58] for conservation easement.

[7:16:59] Thank you for your time and my

[7:17:00] pleasure to answer your

[7:17:02] question.

[7:17:03] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:17:14] thank you so very much.

[7:17:15] >> after the staff report went

[7:17:15] out we received

[7:17:16] revisions to the

[7:17:25] proffers that addressed.

[7:17:27] I know that we showed that is a

[7:17:27] weakness.

[7:17:28] It was a weakness on the

[7:17:28] planning commission and the

[7:17:29] applicant provided us

[7:17:30] clarification because staff

[7:17:35] felt it was important we had

[7:17:36] that.

[7:17:36] The applicant address that.

[7:17:37] I wanted to make that clear.

[7:17:38] Did limit the uses that could

[7:17:42] occur.

[7:17:43] >> kevin, transportation

[7:17:44] planning manager.

[7:17:45] I want to add a clarification

[7:17:46] as well.

[7:17:46] In the time between the staff

[7:17:47] report and tonight, we met with

[7:17:49] the applicant to resolve

[7:18:01] outstanding comments that were

[7:18:02] giving us a little bit of pause

[7:18:04] they were meeting the

[7:18:04] requirement as far as meeting

[7:18:05] the tru result in mitigating

[7:18:05] the

[7:18:06] traffic congestion.

[7:18:07] >> I would like following his

[7:18:07] comments, I would like to have

[7:18:12] it given more information and

[7:18:13] purpose of the nonresidential

[7:18:17] development based on the zoning

[7:18:19] ordinance and section of the

[7:18:19] pmr.

[7:18:27] Every district greater than 15

[7:18:28] should incorporate at least one

[7:18:28] area

[7:18:29] as nonresidential.

[7:18:34] In

[7:18:35] reviewing the application with

[7:18:38] surrounding residential.

[7:18:39] So provided nonresidential

[7:18:39] development

[7:18:43] , that is greater is

[7:18:46] essential for the development

[7:18:52] of the application.

[7:18:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:18:54] on the right.

[7:18:56] Thank you very much

[7:19:06] .

[7:19:07] Does anyone have any questions?

[7:19:08] Going once, going twice.

[7:19:08] All right.

[7:19:09] It is time to open the public

[7:19:09] hearing.

[7:19:12] So I am going to go

[7:19:13] ahead and I'm going to do these

[7:19:15] together for 13 bnc.

[7:19:16] I'm going to open the public

[7:19:18] hearings for both the ask

[7:19:20] people have a seat until I call

[7:19:23] you up.

[7:19:24] Thank you.

[7:19:31] People are so excited to talk

[7:19:32] her what we are going to do

[7:19:33] this because I'm doing these

[7:19:34] both together, whereas it would

[7:19:37] get them in this to speak I

[7:19:37] will give people six minutes.

[7:19:38] If you are an organization

[7:19:43] recognized by the board you get

[7:19:43] up to 10 minutes.

[7:19:44] and again, we can only have one

[7:20:06] person for each organization.

[7:20:07] I'm going to invite people up

[7:20:07] five at a time.

[7:20:08] Please state your name, where

[7:20:09] you live, the magisterial

[7:20:10] district and also make sure we

[7:20:10] can hear you.

[7:20:12] Sometimes we are straining to

[7:20:12] hear people.

[7:20:13] And if you have come out this

[7:20:13] late, you should be heard.

[7:20:14] Wendat I'm going to call him

[7:20:15] martin, delta nichols, larry,

[7:20:16] connie christopher and chris

[7:20:16] cummings.

[7:20:21] You were my first

[7:20:21] five.

[7:20:22] >> can I have the overhead

[7:20:42] projector, please?

[7:20:42] Okay.

[7:20:43] Good evening george avicenna

[7:20:43] members of the board.

[7:20:44] Saint martin from the occoquan

[7:20:45] district and I'm here

[7:20:46] representing an county civic

[7:20:47] associations open like the

[7:20:47] extra time if I could.

[7:20:48] Thank you.

[7:20:49] We want to thank the applicant

[7:20:50] for coming to medco in

[7:20:51] presenting the project of the

[7:20:52] meetings.

[7:20:52] We talk to everybody but more

[7:20:55] importantly we listen to

[7:20:55] everybody.

[7:21:04] We reviewed the project

[7:21:07] .

[7:21:07] There have been changes made

[7:21:08] from response to community

[7:21:08] concerns.

[7:21:09] Nfortunately this

[7:21:10] project has a fatal flaw that

[7:21:10] has been there from the

[7:21:12] beginning and I will go into

[7:21:12] that in a moment.

[7:21:13] Everest want to say medco is

[7:21:14] not imposed other developments

[7:21:15] in the area.

[7:21:27] The kings grove project is one

[7:21:28] we were not opposed to end the

[7:21:29] community did not have

[7:21:30] opposition to that we saw in it

[7:21:30] was generally less impactful

[7:21:31] than something that could have

[7:21:32] been built thereby right.

[7:21:33] Another object medco was not

[7:21:34] available is the dean crossing

[7:21:35] project on the other side of

[7:21:36] the parkway from here.

[7:21:37] That's a 42 unit apartment

[7:21:40] building for 50 percent and

[7:21:41] under of the area median income

[7:21:44] level so it is a low income

[7:21:44] housing project on the

[7:21:45] communities and how much

[7:21:46] opposition to that we saw in

[7:21:48] the belmont gardens project is

[7:21:57] a 55 over community near the

[7:21:58] glen shopping center.

[7:21:59] Again, it was less impactful

[7:22:00] than other projects could have

[7:22:01] been I could've been there in

[7:22:01] the community we didn't see

[7:22:02] much opposition to that.

[7:22:04] This

[7:22:04] one is different.

[7:22:06] We have seen a lot of community

[7:22:06] opposition to it and we are

[7:22:07] opposed to it for that and

[7:22:11] other reasons.

[7:22:12] But first I wanted to start by

[7:22:13] dispelling misrepresentations

[7:22:16] and misunderstandings that have

[7:22:16] been floating around the

[7:22:17] project over the last year or

[7:22:19] so.

[7:22:20] You MAY have heard the boundary

[7:22:24] line is arbitrary and it isn't.

[7:22:25] It is the watershed line and

[7:22:25] you can see that on the map.

[7:22:31] The yellow line that parallels

[7:22:32] that trenton is the watershed

[7:22:32] line.

[7:22:35] The green area is the area and

[7:22:36] that is the occoquan watershed

[7:22:40] on the other side is the

[7:22:45] potomac watershed fed by

[7:22:45] neabsco creek into potomac

[7:22:45] river.

[7:22:46] it is the watershed line and

[7:22:50] another thing that made things

[7:22:54] confused is the fact that the

[7:22:55] previous project was taken out

[7:22:59] so it was

[7:23:00] , it has been said

[7:23:00] that this just a line.

[7:23:01] But two wrongs don't make a

[7:23:04] right when there's a reason for

[7:23:04] the line, it's the watershed

[7:23:07] line.

[7:23:08] That makes sense because it's a

[7:23:11] watershed protection area.

[7:23:12] This is something we heard

[7:23:14] again tonight.

[7:23:15] Some have been seeing doing

[7:23:17] projects with much more

[7:23:20] impervious surface and

[7:23:20] clearcutting of the trees on

[7:23:22] the property is better than

[7:23:28] five acre lots in the orpa

[7:23:29] area.

[7:23:30] I think that violates common

[7:23:34] sense like saying adding

[7:23:35] thousands of vehicles to the

[7:23:36] road is going to improve

[7:23:36] traffic conditions

[7:23:37] .

[7:23:39] These are things that violate

[7:23:41] common sense but it is the

[7:23:42] opinions of our own

[7:23:48] environmental management staff

[7:23:49] as you heard and it is counter

[7:23:50] to the experts we have heard

[7:23:50] from.

[7:23:55] It is also counter to what

[7:23:56] fairfax county has done.

[7:23:57] In the past when they did

[7:23:58] pretty much the same thing with

[7:24:04] the five-acre lot and down

[7:24:05] zoned a large area on their

[7:24:06] side of the occoquan.

[7:24:06] This was 30 or 40 years ago

[7:24:07] that they did not.

[7:24:13] I think it's clear the

[7:24:14] watershed better than covering

[7:24:15] properties with large amounts

[7:24:16] of impervious surfaces

[7:24:17] including large amounts of

[7:24:23] trees.

[7:24:24] as they told you a few minutes

[7:24:24] ago you three factors.

[7:24:25] Groundwater infiltration, storm

[7:24:26] water and nutrient pollution

[7:24:27] runoff

[7:24:28] .

[7:24:29] To some extent you can mitigate

[7:24:32] the last two of those, but the

[7:24:32] infiltration is anything that

[7:24:37] is important that you need

[7:24:37] ,

[7:24:38] especially for the place that

[7:24:38] live on the area which means

[7:24:42] pretty much everybody from

[7:24:43] trenton to the city of manassas

[7:24:45] and from the occoquan reservoir

[7:24:50] to the prince william line.

[7:24:51] These are all well and septic

[7:24:52] and people are worried about

[7:24:54] their water.

[7:24:59] Another reason why it not a

[7:25:00] good idea to start chipping

[7:25:03] away orpa is we don't know what

[7:25:05] the groundwater situation is in

[7:25:08] prince william county.

[7:25:09] The board initiated a

[7:25:13] groundwater study less than a

[7:25:14] year ago in the study will not

[7:25:21] have results for it a year or

[7:25:21] two.

[7:25:22] We don't know what the levels

[7:25:22] of the groundwater are.

[7:25:23] We don't know what the trend is

[7:25:24] we don't know that for a while

[7:25:27] and we have a lot of people on

[7:25:29] well water and we have had some

[7:25:30] antidotal information about

[7:25:32] failing wells.

[7:25:32] We don't know what the

[7:25:34] situation is

[7:25:34] .

[7:25:35] We need to be careful about

[7:25:41] what we do.

[7:25:45] There is not as good protection

[7:25:47] because people could clear cut

[7:25:51] five-acre parcels

[7:25:52] .

[7:25:53] The reality is they don't and I

[7:25:53] can tell you that from

[7:25:54] experience

[7:25:55] .

[7:25:56] We worked on numerous projects

[7:26:02] and what we do is work with the

[7:26:03] developers and we have the lots

[7:26:04] clustered because the five-acre

[7:26:05] recommendation is an average

[7:26:11] .

[7:26:12] The lots are clustered.

[7:26:13] With large amount of open space

[7:26:14] protected with the conservation

[7:26:15] easement and receive most of

[7:26:17] the trees on the parcels

[7:26:17] .

[7:26:18] People aren't going to move to

[7:26:23] the most forested area and

[7:26:24] immediately want to cut their

[7:26:26] trees down.

[7:26:27] It's another thing that doesn't

[7:26:31] make logical sense

[7:26:32] .

[7:26:33] It is just reasons to try to

[7:26:44] make the project seem better.

[7:26:44] If it was better to pave over

[7:26:45] large areas and clear cut the

[7:26:46] trees, there is like washington

[7:26:47] D.C. And baldwin marilyn would

[7:26:49] to be ideal watersheds because

[7:26:50] they use the high-tech

[7:26:51] techniques in the watershed to

[7:26:55] be improved over the natural

[7:26:55] state.

[7:26:56] And I think we all understand

[7:26:56] that's not true for the

[7:27:00] overarching issue is the

[7:27:01] precedence setting part of it.

[7:27:05] The stuff said they do a

[7:27:15] case-by-case basis

[7:27:16] .

[7:27:16] They probably do.

[7:27:17] Maybe they take the blinders on

[7:27:18] approach but I can tell you

[7:27:19] developers don't developers

[7:27:20] look at trends the board has an

[7:27:21] appetite to do.

[7:27:22] As we all know, developers make

[7:27:29] money off of the units per acre

[7:27:30] and that's fine.

[7:27:30] That is what makes our economy

[7:27:32] work.

[7:27:33] But when people are getting

[7:27:34] entitlements to vastly increase

[7:27:41] the density on land and the

[7:27:42] board is okay with that, he

[7:27:43] will get more applications for

[7:27:44] this book anyone who thinks

[7:27:45] it's not a precedent is not

[7:27:46] being realistic.

[7:27:49] The reality of the cpa over the

[7:27:58] last 10 or 15 years

[7:27:58] , the

[7:27:59] majority once they are applying

[7:28:00] two for our approved.

[7:28:01] So the idea this won't be a

[7:28:02] precedent, it's again not just

[7:28:03] with common sense.

[7:28:05] But the good news is on all of

[7:28:08] this is we don't want to do

[7:28:11] these kinds of things in our

[7:28:12] watershed protection area to

[7:28:15] achieve our housing goals, to

[7:28:16] achieve our affordable housing.

[7:28:18] Here projects on the parkway

[7:28:21] for affordable housing.

[7:28:22] We plenty areas and the

[7:28:23] comprehensive plan without

[7:28:26] changing it where we can

[7:28:27] achieve our goals for housing

[7:28:31] and have walkable communities

[7:28:32] and varied housing times and

[7:28:33] all the things we need to do as

[7:28:38] we grow

[7:28:38] .

[7:28:39] I hope you understand there are

[7:28:40] places where we can do these

[7:28:44] things

[7:28:44] .

[7:28:45] So based on all that and the

[7:28:51] fact the planning commission

[7:28:52] recommended denial, along with

[7:28:53] the letter you received from

[7:28:54] the conservation alliance and

[7:28:56] pwc a are also recommending

[7:29:01] denial.

[7:29:02] You tonight the cpa for the

[7:29:02] project.

[7:29:06] Happy holiday everyone and we

[7:29:07] will see you next year.

[7:29:08] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:29:09] thank you so very much.

[7:29:13] Next speaker.

[7:29:15] >> Public Speaker: good evening

[7:29:15] again.

[7:29:16] I am delta nichols and I am

[7:29:20] need to a precedent of -- and I

[7:29:27] am in occoquan district and I

[7:29:28] request additional time, though

[7:29:29] I probably will not need all of

[7:29:30] it.

[7:29:45] So hunters ridge is in the

[7:29:46] middle of orpa.

[7:29:47] We are 216 home strong and we

[7:29:48] do not support hoadley square,

[7:29:52] this proposed development.

[7:29:53] We ask you to please disapprove

[7:29:53] the comprehensive plan

[7:29:57] amendment and rezoning.

[7:29:58] Front at the proposed

[7:30:00] development would encroach upon

[7:30:04] orpa.

[7:30:05] Orpa was originated from sound

[7:30:06] scientific and is grounded in

[7:30:09] prudent concerns to protect one

[7:30:10] of the counties most precious

[7:30:12] resources

[7:30:12] .

[7:30:17] That is our drinking water.

[7:30:17] There's not a person in the

[7:30:18] room that does not need good to

[7:30:24] clean drinking water.

[7:30:25] And also to enable it to be

[7:30:28] sustainable far into our

[7:30:31] counties future.

[7:30:35] For our prosperity in the

[7:30:36] county future prosperity.

[7:30:39] It is imperative orpa is

[7:30:42] protected.

[7:30:42] It's somewhat rare for a

[7:30:43] majority of the county

[7:30:44] residents and government

[7:30:49] entities to identify in issue

[7:30:50] and to come together and unite

[7:30:52] around it and to protect it

[7:30:57] .

[7:30:58] Regardless of what part of the

[7:30:59] county you live in, regardless

[7:31:02] of your ethnic background, your

[7:31:03] political persuasion, your

[7:31:07] background affiliation.

[7:31:07] There are a lot of things that

[7:31:08] have the potential of dividing

[7:31:10] us but orpa is one of the most

[7:31:17] important things to this

[7:31:17] county.

[7:31:18] And individuals and interest

[7:31:22] groups came together and

[7:31:26] affirmed orpa important and

[7:31:27] they develop a sustainability

[7:31:39] plan and codified orpa into our

[7:31:39] conference a plan.

[7:31:40] And it is only been standing

[7:31:41] and codified by 2.5 years and

[7:31:42] now and developer wants the

[7:31:43] county to approve his plan to

[7:31:46] start undoing orpa and the work

[7:31:52] that has been done to put orpa

[7:31:53] in place.

[7:31:54] We find ourselves asking the

[7:31:54] question why

[7:31:57] .

[7:32:01] Given all of the considerations

[7:32:02] in the debates that occurred to

[7:32:06] stand orpa up, why would one

[7:32:10] developer put forth a request

[7:32:14] and ask the county start to

[7:32:18] undo the good prudent work that

[7:32:21] has been done.

[7:32:25] And I submit to you those

[7:32:26] asking for this are simply

[7:32:30] asking because they can ask.

[7:32:34] But you don't have to say yes

[7:32:35] because they are asking.

[7:32:38] They are asking you to forget

[7:32:39] about sustaining this county

[7:32:39] drinking water.

[7:32:45] That proposal as asking you to

[7:32:46] not be concerned about creating

[7:32:49] excessive amounts of impervious

[7:32:50] surfaces that negatively impact

[7:32:58] groundwater recharge.

[7:32:59] This proposed development is

[7:33:00] asking you to not be concerned

[7:33:00] about the traffic that is

[7:33:05] already a nightmare in the area

[7:33:11] and overly congested in the

[7:33:12] failing intersection of hoadley

[7:33:12] road and the prince william

[7:33:13] county pkwy.

[7:33:17] Hoadley square would best be

[7:33:17] built close to transportation

[7:33:22] hub not in the middle of a mass

[7:33:29] transportation desert in the

[7:33:30] middle of mint county.

[7:33:31] We talk about bus stops in omni

[7:33:32] right and I don't want to

[7:33:35] disparage anyway the only ride,

[7:33:36] but we all know it just doesn't

[7:33:37] work

[7:33:41] .

[7:33:41] If it worked, more people would

[7:33:42] use it.

[7:33:43] It takes too long from point a

[7:33:55] to point b. It's just not

[7:33:55] feasible.

[7:33:56] We should focus on making the

[7:33:56] county better.

[7:33:57] To better housing location

[7:33:58] planning that goes hand-in-hand

[7:33:59] with better transportation

[7:34:00] planning in essence ability to

[7:34:01] be efficient and affordable

[7:34:02] mass transit.

[7:34:07] The chris would the farm is not

[7:34:08] that location for this type of

[7:34:09] development.

[7:34:13] And again, I'm not against

[7:34:13] development.

[7:34:14] And I will tell you, the

[7:34:18] residence 260 strong.

[7:34:24] We are against this

[7:34:24] development.

[7:34:25] Don't let this proposed

[7:34:26] development steel water from

[7:34:26] our future.

[7:34:31] Told this development to find

[7:34:32] another location.

[7:34:33] Many of us would to be happy to

[7:34:35] help and look for another

[7:34:35] location.

[7:34:40] Supervisor boddye, you ran on a

[7:34:41] platform and protecting our

[7:34:46] precious natural resources like

[7:34:55] water.

[7:34:56] Stick to the platform you ran

[7:34:56] on.

[7:34:57] That is what we ask you to do.

[7:34:58] Stick to it.

[7:34:58] Don't show favor to the

[7:35:02] developer who wants to put the

[7:35:02] drinking water for our future

[7:35:06] at risk.

[7:35:07] we ask you board of county

[7:35:09] supervisors to be responsible

[7:35:12] selected citizen residence of

[7:35:19] our county and stewards of our

[7:35:20] drinking water now and into the

[7:35:25] future.

[7:35:26] Don't chip away at the orpa.

[7:35:27] In essence what was said

[7:35:34] earlier, if you set this

[7:35:35] precedent, you know another

[7:35:36] developer is going to come and

[7:35:39] ask for the same thing.

[7:35:39] Nd

[7:35:40] then what are you going to tell

[7:35:42] that developer

[7:35:45] ?

[7:35:46] When you do things like this is

[7:35:48] just like feathers in the wind.

[7:35:51] Is hard to get and pick them

[7:35:52] all back up so don't set a

[7:35:55] precedent disapprove this

[7:35:58] .

[7:35:58] Thank you.

[7:35:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:36:05] next speaker, please

[7:36:11] .

[7:36:12] >> I don't know if I can follow

[7:36:13] those two speakers.

[7:36:13] Arry, I

[7:36:18] am in the coles district.

[7:36:19] Supervisor vega, thanks for

[7:36:22] what you do.

[7:36:23] I spoke about the maple valley

[7:36:23] grove.

[7:36:24] Won't bore you with

[7:36:26] that again.

[7:36:27] If I heard this correctly the

[7:36:36] applicant requested, I wrote

[7:36:36] down five waivers.

[7:36:37] Reduced setbacks, increase the

[7:36:38] height restrictions, reduce the

[7:36:40] minimum footprint, reduce the

[7:36:40] lot length and reduce the lot

[7:36:44] with.

[7:36:44] MAY be incorrect but that's

[7:36:48] what I thought I heard.

[7:36:49] To meet these are indicators.

[7:36:52] If we are going to ignore

[7:36:53] weaver restrictions why do we

[7:36:54] even have them on paper.

[7:36:58] the second thing I want to talk

[7:37:02] about is the public road

[7:37:03] through this development.

[7:37:09] If I was a prospective buyer I

[7:37:10] would want to be told that and

[7:37:11] they will probably be told that

[7:37:12] but they probably don't know

[7:37:13] what that is going to mean down

[7:37:14] the road because any of us who

[7:37:15] lived here knows a cut through

[7:37:17] becomes a cut through

[7:37:17] .

[7:37:21] You get involved of traffic

[7:37:26] going through public road.

[7:37:27] Hill 'n dale is a good example.

[7:37:28] On the third thing I will talk

[7:37:31] about traffic again.

[7:37:32] One of the weaknesses

[7:37:35] identified was traffic

[7:37:35] .

[7:37:36] And I will run down this will

[7:37:38] quick.

[7:37:39] Everyone knows about them but

[7:37:41] we are going to put all these

[7:37:42] people that are going to live

[7:37:45] here and move here.

[7:37:46] The church on the corner, they

[7:37:48] are going to increase that

[7:37:49] proposed delete square.

[7:37:54] Maple valley grove

[7:37:54] , hoadley

[7:37:55] falls one and two, kings crest.

[7:37:58] Kings grove.

[7:37:58] The moss expansion.

[7:38:02] Not all

[7:38:03] have been approved yet but they

[7:38:04] are on the docket and then the

[7:38:07] other end is the klein farm and

[7:38:11] on the other end is the porch

[7:38:12] project.

[7:38:12] Were those people going to cut

[7:38:14] through thick they are going to

[7:38:16] come right through the hoadley

[7:38:22] road prince william county

[7:38:22] pkwy. In a section.

[7:38:25] I ask you vote no to this

[7:38:25] project.

[7:38:27] Thank you for your time.

[7:38:28] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:38:35] next speaker, please.

[7:38:37] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[7:38:38] connie christopher.

[7:38:40] Myself and

[7:38:44] my sister

[7:38:46] .

[7:38:52] Phone chris would farm.

[7:38:58] My family moved here in 1969

[7:38:58] into forest dale and dale city

[7:39:01] on the day neil armstrong

[7:39:02] walked on the moon.

[7:39:07] My parents

[7:39:07] in 1975 when I was 18 years

[7:39:11] old, we bought chris would

[7:39:18] farm.

[7:39:22] And has been writing, boarding

[7:39:24] and training facility for 50

[7:39:26] years.

[7:39:32] People asked me all the time

[7:39:33] how can I sell the farm.

[7:39:34] It is not easy

[7:39:34] .

[7:39:35] It is not been an easy

[7:39:44] decision.

[7:39:45] This is very emotional for me,

[7:39:45] I am sorry.

[7:39:50] Throughout the whole time we've

[7:39:53] tried to keep our prices down

[7:39:54] it helped keep our prices down

[7:40:00] to allow people to learn about

[7:40:01] horses, learn about riding

[7:40:05] horses and to afford a place

[7:40:05] for people who own horses to

[7:40:09] keep their horses here.

[7:40:10] How I know we are affordable is

[7:40:14] because for years I have other

[7:40:15] barns call me and tried to talk

[7:40:17] me into raising our prices and

[7:40:17] we've been one of the least

[7:40:20] expensive in the four county

[7:40:25] area.

[7:40:32] When we bought the property,

[7:40:33] hoadley road was a 2 lane

[7:40:33] winding rd.

[7:40:34] Our property was surrounded by

[7:40:36] woods on every side except

[7:40:41] hoadley road to.

[7:40:42] There was another farm across

[7:40:43] the street where dale city is

[7:40:43] now.

[7:40:47] There were winds where forest

[7:40:50] is now, teeter shopping center

[7:40:53] is now and there are woods

[7:40:55] where the mosque is now.

[7:41:02] When each of these things came

[7:41:03] before the county to be built,

[7:41:04] we never went and opposed any

[7:41:10] of them.

[7:41:11] We moved into an area we expect

[7:41:11] it to grow, dale city,

[7:41:12] lakeridge wasn't even there

[7:41:13] yet.

[7:41:14] We are in the suburbs of

[7:41:18] washington D.C. And we expected

[7:41:20] growth to happen.

[7:41:28] What we did because we were the

[7:41:29] only farmers put up a bigger

[7:41:30] fence to keep our horses in so

[7:41:31] they are not running across

[7:41:31] peoples yards and to keep

[7:41:33] people out so they are not

[7:41:38] messing with our horses.

[7:41:39] We built a thriving business

[7:41:50] through the years.

[7:41:50] It has not always been easy.

[7:41:55] Having large animals is a law

[7:41:56] of work and most of the time my

[7:42:01] family has done because we

[7:42:01] could not afford to hire

[7:42:10] people.

[7:42:16] I made the decision to sell my

[7:42:17] farm when I got kidney cancer

[7:42:27] seven years ago.

[7:42:28] I had to ensure my horses would

[7:42:36] be taken care of so I had to

[7:42:36] get another place.

[7:42:37] I have some land that I hope to

[7:42:38] build a barn on to move all of

[7:42:39] my horses

[7:42:40] , three quarters are

[7:42:42] over three years 20 years old

[7:42:46] which makes them between 60 and

[7:42:50] 70 years old and people years.

[7:42:51] And you will not get any money

[7:42:54] for those horses

[7:42:55] .

[7:42:55] People say you can sell them.

[7:42:56] Not really.

[7:43:00] I cannot let my horses go to

[7:43:01] people who will not take care

[7:43:05] of them.

[7:43:06] will horses require a law of

[7:43:09] care.

[7:43:15] Here I am seven years later

[7:43:16] still fighting the cancer,

[7:43:17] still hoping to sell my place

[7:43:18] and still hoping to move my

[7:43:24] horses.

[7:43:25] Chris would farm has been my

[7:43:27] life

[7:43:29] .

[7:43:33] I don't want to sell it and I

[7:43:36] want to sell it.

[7:43:37] But I cannot continue what I

[7:43:40] have been doing so I have no

[7:43:43] choice

[7:43:43] .

[7:43:44] I would like to thank the

[7:43:47] residents of prince william

[7:43:49] county and on the board of

[7:43:55] supervisors because without all

[7:44:02] the help from this county

[7:44:03] throughout the years we would

[7:44:04] not have been able to make it

[7:44:05] this long

[7:44:08] .

[7:44:10] We truly appreciate it.

[7:44:20] Thank you for listening, and

[7:44:21] it's been a great ride to.

[7:44:22] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:44:22] thank you.

[7:44:23] Before our next speaker going

[7:44:24] to call up the next group of

[7:44:26] five.

[7:44:27] I've ashley -- hold on.

[7:44:28] Some going to call up the next

[7:44:29] group and then you can speak.

[7:44:36] Ashley, norman

[7:44:37] , anne

[7:44:39] stephenson, gary o'brien and

[7:44:43] catherine howard to.

[7:44:43] All right.

[7:44:50] You MAY begin.

[7:44:51] >> Public Speaker: good evening

[7:44:52] board of supervisors forgotten

[7:45:01] back here.

[7:45:02] Still christopher cummings from

[7:45:02] the occoquan district.

[7:45:03] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:45:04] can you adjust the microphone

[7:45:13] so we can hear you better?

[7:45:14] >> Public Speaker: I'm still --

[7:45:15] by the feeling we get increased

[7:45:16] taxes, more data centers and

[7:45:19] more high density housing here.

[7:45:20] Turning to the matter at hand

[7:45:21] but application needs to be

[7:45:23] seen together with the maple

[7:45:33] valley road application

[7:45:34] .

[7:45:35] Together if passed, and one of

[7:45:35] them has already been passed,

[7:45:36] they will impose unreasonable

[7:45:37] new

[7:45:37] burdens on the

[7:45:38] transportation infrastructure,

[7:45:39] as well as the watershed area

[7:45:40] that offers occoquan reservoir

[7:45:41] .

[7:45:46] High density housing in these

[7:45:47] two combined together comprise

[7:45:49] high density housing should be

[7:45:51] steered the areas with high

[7:45:57] capacity transit not to major

[7:45:58] road intersections already

[7:46:01] heavily burdened with traffic

[7:46:02] .

[7:46:03] The impact on schools have been

[7:46:06] discussed and everybody knows

[7:46:14] how tricky that gets in terms

[7:46:15] of redistricting and promises

[7:46:16] of new schools that get

[7:46:17] postponed and all that sort of

[7:46:17] thing.

[7:46:20] As things stand, a huge

[7:46:21] amount of impervious surfaces

[7:46:22] detract from the watershed and

[7:46:26] threaten those of us nearby who

[7:46:27] depend on well water for our

[7:46:28] homes

[7:46:28] .

[7:46:32] It matters of the planning

[7:46:35] commission recommended denial

[7:46:36] were at least 10 serious

[7:46:42] problems with the proposal.

[7:46:43] I would ask you seriously

[7:46:45] consider and deny this

[7:46:48] application.

[7:46:48] Thank you.

[7:46:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:46:58] next speaker

[7:46:59] , please.

[7:47:00] >> Public Speaker: good evening

[7:47:01] chair jefferson, members of the

[7:47:01] board.

[7:47:02] My name is ashley, occoquan

[7:47:03] district.

[7:47:04] Speaking on behalf of the

[7:47:05] prince william conservation

[7:47:06] alliance and I request the

[7:47:09] additional time in prince

[7:47:10] william conservation alliances

[7:47:11] and environmental

[7:47:11] nonprofit.

[7:47:13] We have been operational for 20

[7:47:19] years in the county and our

[7:47:20] focus is on creating equitable

[7:47:23] and sustainable communities

[7:47:24] .

[7:47:25] The occoquan reservoir

[7:47:27] production area was created

[7:47:28] just 2.5 years ago.

[7:47:28] N lot of

[7:47:32] this

[7:47:33] .

[7:47:34] Martin did a terrific job

[7:47:36] providing an outline here, but

[7:47:37] I did want to highlight a

[7:47:38] couple points that he pointed

[7:47:43] out.

[7:47:44] This was established 2.5 years

[7:47:45] ago as part of the company and

[7:47:45] supply an update.

[7:47:49] The same update resolved the

[7:47:50] urban growth boundary and as a

[7:47:56] result significantly increased

[7:47:57] the allowable density in the

[7:48:01] occoquan reservoir watershed.

[7:48:01] Which is already one of the

[7:48:03] most urbanized drinking water

[7:48:03] watersheds in the country.

[7:48:05] While there are watersheds more

[7:48:10] urbanized, they are not able to

[7:48:11] convey drinking water an

[7:48:15] affordable cost the way the

[7:48:17] occoquan does.

[7:48:18] This change was made despite

[7:48:20] the request to conduct a water

[7:48:33] study prior to making such

[7:48:34] significantly induced

[7:48:34] decisions.

[7:48:35] we are still waiting for the

[7:48:36] results, although my

[7:48:36] understanding is those are

[7:48:38] being wrapped up.

[7:48:39] And also recommended ground

[7:48:40] water study has also not been

[7:48:40] conducted.

[7:48:45] With the adoption of the new

[7:48:46] comprehensive plan, orpa has

[7:48:47] become the primary strategy for

[7:48:50] protecting the occoquan

[7:48:51] reservoir in the groundwater

[7:48:52] resources that are in that

[7:48:56] area.

[7:48:57] Like we heard before, orpa

[7:48:57] follows watershed boundaries

[7:49:04] and hydrogeologic lines and

[7:49:05] these were not arbitrary.

[7:49:06] They were drawn intentionally

[7:49:09] and based on the geology that

[7:49:10] are particularly susceptible to

[7:49:14] droughts and it's why I

[7:49:15] mentioned earlier maple valley

[7:49:17] grove really does fit into

[7:49:19] these categories.

[7:49:23] We already work including the

[7:49:24] parcels that could have and

[7:49:27] should have been included

[7:49:27] .

[7:49:29] Without a groundwater study, we

[7:49:34] do not fully understand how

[7:49:36] increased development pressure

[7:49:37] would affect these resources

[7:49:38] over time.

[7:49:43] And now just 2.5 years later

[7:49:44] after than density in the

[7:49:45] watershed has been

[7:49:46] significantly increased, we are

[7:49:47] facing the first request to

[7:50:01] remove land from the orpa area.

[7:50:02] Planning staff has recommended

[7:50:03] approval they highlighted

[7:50:04] prioritizing affordable housing

[7:50:05] goals over upholding our

[7:50:06] primary policy to protect

[7:50:06] critical

[7:50:07] drinking water

[7:50:07] resources.

[7:50:09] This creates an either/or

[7:50:10] scenario when the whole purpose

[7:50:14] a comprehensive planning is a

[7:50:14] course to be able to say yes

[7:50:17] and

[7:50:17] .

[7:50:18] I want to acknowledge the

[7:50:21] comments made on the planning

[7:50:23] commission hearing that I heard

[7:50:23] .

[7:50:32] It was really important for me,

[7:50:33] for all of us to hear from

[7:50:34] residents who spoke favorably

[7:50:35] about this proposal and hear

[7:50:39] their lived experiences and

[7:50:39] their hopes and this proposal

[7:50:40] represents on their

[7:50:40] perspectives really

[7:50:42] matter.

[7:50:45] It is really heartening to hear

[7:50:46] the stories and I appreciate

[7:50:47] the care and thought it brought

[7:50:48] to that discussion.

[7:50:51] By looking

[7:50:56] up the county holistically we

[7:50:57] can accommodate the vision in

[7:51:02] the dream and continued growth

[7:51:04] by incentivizing redevelopment

[7:51:09] near the existing transit hubs

[7:51:10] while offering additional

[7:51:15] housing configurations

[7:51:16] .

[7:51:18] I'm going to use this really

[7:51:22] quick.

[7:51:23] Even though I will know for

[7:51:25] next time to zoom in so we can

[7:51:32] see this better.

[7:51:33] And allow for different housing

[7:51:41] configuration and the aa

[7:51:41] .

[7:51:42] The arts and ag arts overlay

[7:51:46] which is in yellow here.

[7:51:47] To protect our natural and

[7:51:48] cultural resources for the

[7:51:51] benefit of all residents and to

[7:51:54] allow for diverse housing.

[7:51:58] I will say the project does

[7:52:00] have a lot to offer.

[7:52:03] If it were located in one of

[7:52:08] the red areas, that would be

[7:52:10] awesome and provide a loft

[7:52:11] , and

[7:52:16] of protecting the reducing

[7:52:18] green space we have in those

[7:52:19] areas

[7:52:20] .

[7:52:25] You can see the map on the

[7:52:26] other side that there are

[7:52:26] parcels.

[7:52:34] You can see the little flex of

[7:52:34] purple and green.

[7:52:35] There are parcels we can and

[7:52:36] should protect in these areas.

[7:52:38] Configuration like we are

[7:52:41] seeing here one of the areas

[7:52:45] would be absolutely phenomenal

[7:52:47] for the residents in the areas

[7:52:51] that are experiencing depleted

[7:52:53] green space and they have a

[7:52:56] right should have access to

[7:53:00] walk out there door and get

[7:53:01] into some trees as well because

[7:53:03] there's a lotta health benefits

[7:53:09] for that.

[7:53:10] It really comes down to that

[7:53:13] here in the area our focus

[7:53:17] should be building upon the

[7:53:21] density framework and ensuring

[7:53:23] it succeeds.

[7:53:26] In fact

[7:53:28] , we've had multiple

[7:53:28] meetings with county staff in

[7:53:33] the late supervisor and

[7:53:33] supervisor boddye about

[7:53:38] discussing the importance of

[7:53:39] orpa, how we can build on the

[7:53:39] framework and the need to

[7:53:41] created dedicated zoning

[7:53:44] district so we can build upon

[7:53:45] and strengthen the protections

[7:53:48] of the framework is designed to

[7:53:51] provide.

[7:53:54] This should come first.

[7:53:55] The bayreuth development is

[7:54:03] mostly a one so that is one

[7:54:04] house per 10 acres so even

[7:54:05] proposals would still need to

[7:54:09] go through rezoning

[7:54:10] .

[7:54:10] Honest away from the speaker

[7:54:14] before the farm, you can't hear

[7:54:15] her story and hear your have

[7:54:20] your heart broken.

[7:54:23] When I heard that I felt so sad

[7:54:26] we have not yet incentivized

[7:54:30] this type of land use and

[7:54:31] supported her vision for what

[7:54:32] the parcel could and

[7:54:38] should be.

[7:54:38] To the point where she is

[7:54:39] feeling she has no choice and

[7:54:45] needs to be pushed out

[7:54:45] .

[7:54:46] I have to sit.

[7:54:47] I think we should sit with that

[7:54:52] sadness we do not on the

[7:54:53] incentives in place to

[7:54:54] encourage thought and instead

[7:54:54] we are seeing data centers by

[7:54:59] up our nurseries and we are

[7:55:00] seeing the lower green

[7:55:00] businesses leave

[7:55:03] .

[7:55:06] And I don't think that's the

[7:55:09] direction I want to go.

[7:55:10] Right now the board is

[7:55:15] considering starting to erode

[7:55:16] what is become our primary

[7:55:17] production strategy, especially

[7:55:18] at the time when we are seeing

[7:55:19] unprecedented development

[7:55:26] pressure across the county it's

[7:55:27] not argument to say the

[7:55:31] proposal only removes whatever

[7:55:32] number of acres or is whatever

[7:55:37] percent of orpa or the

[7:55:38] watershed.

[7:55:38] This is about upholding a

[7:55:41] policy.

[7:55:41] It's about sending a clear

[7:55:46] message we take a

[7:55:47] responsibility estimates of the

[7:55:47] critical drinking water

[7:55:51] resource seriously and that we

[7:55:52] are part of the responsibility

[7:55:54] rather than contribute in the

[7:55:57] death of 10,000 cuts.

[7:56:01] We recommend this be denied.

[7:56:02] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[7:56:15] next speaker, please.

[7:56:16] >> Public Speaker: good

[7:56:16] evening.

[7:56:19] anne stevenson.

[7:56:19] Occoquan district.

[7:56:20] Thank you for letting me speak

[7:56:24] again.

[7:56:25] I would also like to address

[7:56:29] the orpa.

[7:56:32] And has had quite a history.

[7:56:33] Martin with medco, meant county

[7:56:36] civic association pursuit of

[7:56:39] the creation of an occoquan

[7:56:40] reservoir overlay district for

[7:56:46] more than a decade.

[7:56:47] Published a report with a list

[7:56:48] of regulations for potential

[7:56:56] overlay district in 2011.

[7:56:57] The ashley is organization, the

[7:56:58] conservation alliance, a local

[7:57:01] nonprofit back plans for the

[7:57:03] overlay district

[7:57:03] .

[7:57:04] That's what she was talking

[7:57:05] about.

[7:57:08] Executive director

[7:57:09] , MAY she

[7:57:13] rest in peace

[7:57:15] , advocated for

[7:57:16] development restrictions

[7:57:17] throughout the entire occoquan

[7:57:17] watershed.

[7:57:21] From headwaters to river which

[7:57:22] dan spans two thirds of the

[7:57:25] county landmass.

[7:57:28] Is important overlay to the

[7:57:33] entire watershed addressing

[7:57:34] problems in the upper reaches,

[7:57:35] which is where the horse farm

[7:57:45] is addressing problems in the

[7:57:46] upper reaches of the watershed

[7:57:47] and the headwaters is of

[7:57:47] critical importance of.

[7:57:48] If you screw up the headwaters

[7:57:49] he will never recover.

[7:57:54] To comment on whether or not

[7:57:55] the pond on the horse farm is

[7:57:57] springfed or not, the

[7:57:58] information I was told by

[7:58:03] colony will springfed.

[7:58:07] No?

[7:58:09] If you look at martin's overlay

[7:58:12] were projection in each of the

[7:58:16] protected areas the, dale city

[7:58:22] and crosses over trenton road

[7:58:23] and it covers the first section

[7:58:24] of the horse farm when the pond

[7:58:28] is.

[7:58:28] That MAY need to be

[7:58:29] investigated more because that

[7:58:31] is in the protection area

[7:58:32] according to the county map

[7:58:38] there.

[7:58:41] And then back in 2020

[7:58:41] ,

[7:58:42] supervisor vega directed the

[7:58:46] county staff to begin work on

[7:58:47] an overlay district in NOVEMBER

[7:58:50] 2020 following several

[7:58:52] development proposals approved

[7:58:56] by the board.

[7:58:59] At the time supervisor vega

[7:58:59] said many of your constituents

[7:59:03] are concerned about increased

[7:59:04] development throughout the

[7:59:06] county that could impact the

[7:59:11] counties drinking water.

[7:59:12] The last ground study was done

[7:59:17] in 1997.

[7:59:18] I know there is one in the

[7:59:18] making but and hadn't yet been

[7:59:21] done

[7:59:21] .

[7:59:24] I feel needs to be done before

[7:59:27] the development takes place

[7:59:27] within the orpa and potentially

[7:59:30] will affect our drinking water

[7:59:36] an hour wells

[7:59:36] .

[7:59:37] We all drink the water that

[7:59:38] comes from these headwaters in

[7:59:42] the end of the occoquan.

[7:59:47] Going to read from prince

[7:59:48] william county times dated back

[8:00:10] in AUGUST 2021.

[8:00:11] Quote is by supervisor boddye.

[8:00:12] A major part of prince william

[8:00:13] county commitment to its

[8:00:13] citizens is ensuring

[8:00:14] environmental resources,

[8:00:15] including clean water arguably

[8:00:17] the most important resource are

[8:00:17] protected for current and

[8:00:18] future generations.

[8:00:19] Currently poorly planned

[8:00:23] development lacks enforcement

[8:00:24] of the normal safeguards

[8:00:25] threatening the health of our

[8:00:26] waterways, including the

[8:00:28] occoquan reservoir.

[8:00:28] He

[8:00:29] regions drinking water supply

[8:00:30] for the occoquan reservoir is

[8:00:31] on the epa dirty waters list

[8:00:32] and is condition continues to

[8:00:39] decline posing a direct threat

[8:00:40] to the cleanliness of your

[8:00:40] drinking water will protecting

[8:00:41] the watersheds that are

[8:00:42] critical to the health of the

[8:00:43] occoquan reservoir is both

[8:00:44] affordable and practical once

[8:00:50] the damage has been done

[8:00:50] .

[8:00:51] The cost to you as a taxpayer

[8:00:52] will be astronomical.

[8:00:53] Principal the monthly tools an

[8:00:53] obligation to address this

[8:00:59] issue

[8:01:00] .

[8:01:01] One of the most important tools

[8:01:02] granted the local virginia

[8:01:02] government is the ability to

[8:01:03] protect waterfront land known

[8:01:04] as the resource preservation

[8:01:05] areas from clearing another

[8:01:06] destruction.

[8:01:06] These waterfront buffers are

[8:01:10] lost to best of defense to vent

[8:01:11] pollution in the ring are

[8:01:11] water.

[8:01:12] Serving occoquan

[8:01:15] district

[8:01:21] , I'm particularly

[8:01:22] aware of the importance of

[8:01:23] protecting waterways the

[8:01:24] supervisors debated allowing on

[8:01:32] development including data

[8:01:33] centers in the county rural

[8:01:34] crescent some residents rely on

[8:01:35] private wells for drinking

[8:01:36] water raised concerns about how

[8:01:37] the kind of development might

[8:01:38] affect groundwater.

[8:01:38] The county is preparing options

[8:01:39] and recommendations for a

[8:01:40] groundwater study to be

[8:01:47] considered in the making.

[8:01:48] By signing onto the 20/40 comp

[8:01:48] plan,

[8:01:49] those of you who were here

[8:01:53] , he made a promise with your

[8:01:54] signature signing on to protect

[8:02:00] and preserve this orpa for our

[8:02:01] drinking water.

[8:02:07] Please leave the orpa as is.

[8:02:08] Really keep those promises?

[8:02:08] Promises made, promises kept or

[8:02:09] will the promises broken.

[8:02:11] Please keep yours.

[8:02:19] Keep the orpa thank you.

[8:02:20] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:02:21] before I go to the next speaker

[8:02:22] I want to call up the next

[8:02:22] group.

[8:02:26] Paul halberd to come I called

[8:02:27] up catherine howard.

[8:02:28] Catherine, paul, michael,

[8:02:28] william

[8:02:35] , clancy and jack.

[8:02:42] You MAY proceed, sir.

[8:02:44] >> Public Speaker: gary o'brien

[8:02:44] again, coles district.

[8:02:46] Thank you.

[8:02:50] For the vote. If we continue

[8:02:53] this path, I really worry about

[8:02:57] this county.

[8:02:57] If you look at the way we do

[8:03:04] things here, it seems we set

[8:03:08] these rules only to be broken.

[8:03:09] Not having any real solid

[8:03:12] protection for orpa is the case

[8:03:14] in point.

[8:03:15] We need to lock it down some

[8:03:22] builders don't come in and say

[8:03:23] we will get a waiver on a

[8:03:24] portion of it and we will chip

[8:03:25] away and eventually it will be

[8:03:26] worthless

[8:03:27] .

[8:03:32] If you have been here for these

[8:03:33] board meetings like I have over

[8:03:34] the years, and the boards are

[8:03:35] faced with lawsuits if they

[8:03:38] refuse precedents that have

[8:03:42] been set by their previous

[8:03:45] votes.

[8:03:46] Here we are setting another

[8:03:50] precedent potentially.

[8:03:51] And I continue to worry about

[8:04:06] this because right now there's

[8:04:07] a serious health problem in the

[8:04:07] occoquan.

[8:04:08] And it is growing worse and

[8:04:08] worse.

[8:04:09] The data centers are going to

[8:04:10] make it worse as they flush

[8:04:13] their systems.

[8:04:13] Now, where are we going to get

[8:04:14] our water from.

[8:04:19] Clean water if we don't

[8:04:20] , if we

[8:04:21] have to share it with data

[8:04:22] centers and potentially.

[8:04:26] Hate to say this, but nuclear

[8:04:26] power plants potentially to run

[8:04:28] these things

[8:04:29] .

[8:04:30] Where are we going to get our

[8:04:32] water?

[8:04:33] We are already having droughts

[8:04:35] and severe floods

[8:04:37] .

[8:04:38] The floods are causing damage

[8:04:38] that we are spending a fortune

[8:04:40] to repair

[8:04:41] , streams and what

[8:04:41] have you.

[8:04:50] And that is not cheap.

[8:04:50] And if we are to use osmosis to

[8:04:51] get the salt out of the water,

[8:04:53] imagine what is going to cost

[8:04:53] us for fresh water.

[8:05:00] And if you have a salt problem

[8:05:01] in your diet, you going to

[8:05:02] drink bottled water because he

[8:05:03] won't be able to drink anything

[8:05:04] out of the faucet.

[8:05:05] And I didn't hear anything

[8:05:06] about the schools this last

[8:05:09] time.

[8:05:10] Are we going to get the money

[8:05:11] for all the schools the kids

[8:05:15] are going to come into.

[8:05:20] I didn't see any proffers.

[8:05:20] They said there was but I

[8:05:26] didn't hear any.

[8:05:27] And it is not cheap busing kids

[8:05:27] and nobody likes their kids

[8:05:33] being bussed outside their area

[8:05:34] to satisfy a builder that wants

[8:05:34] to build high

[8:05:35] density in the

[8:05:39] wrong place.

[8:05:42] On who is to say the courts is

[8:05:45] going to be built before this

[8:05:46] maple valley is going to be

[8:05:49] built

[8:05:49] .

[8:05:51] In this and thought going to

[8:05:51] have low density or low cost

[8:05:56] housing?

[8:05:57] And yet you say you needed this

[8:05:58] one for low-cost housing.

[8:05:59] Will, in another 279 know you

[8:06:02] want double that with this

[8:06:04] development.

[8:06:12] I just don't get it.

[8:06:20] As far as the pond goes, I

[8:06:22] can't imagine a pond not being

[8:06:22] self-sufficient.

[8:06:23] There isn't any stream that

[8:06:27] runs into it and you want to

[8:06:27] have a house built over a

[8:06:28] stream or a

[8:06:29] pond?

[8:06:30] I made the mistake of buying a

[8:06:32] townhouse built inside a dry

[8:06:36] lake.

[8:06:37] Every time it rained the

[8:06:37] basement practically filled up

[8:06:40] with water.

[8:06:41] These MAY not have basements

[8:06:45] but I still wouldn't want my

[8:06:46] foundation on unsolved the

[8:06:48] ground.

[8:06:52] We have a number of issues here

[8:06:55] speak the biggest one being

[8:06:57] orpa is setting a precedent

[8:06:59] .

[8:07:01] We are ready approved some low

[8:07:02] income housing.

[8:07:02] E are going

[8:07:05] to have more with courts

[8:07:08] .

[8:07:11] And we had to sacrifice orpa in

[8:07:12] the freshwater we need for our

[8:07:16] future and our futures children

[8:07:17] just to make some builder

[8:07:21] happy?

[8:07:25] I don't get it.

[8:07:26] And if you really are hell-bent

[8:07:29] determined to vote for this

[8:07:30] ,

[8:07:32] what about that property.

[8:07:36] Why don't you delay this and

[8:07:36] think give us the property is

[8:07:43] offset what you're taking away

[8:07:44] and putting in conservation

[8:07:44] instead of making it

[8:07:46] industrial.

[8:07:49] Industrial in the area doesn't

[8:07:49] make any sense.

[8:07:55] In fact, it makes things worse.

[8:07:56] In conclusion, I think we have

[8:08:01] to look for the future and

[8:08:07] think logically and do what's

[8:08:07] right for citizens and

[8:08:12] taxpayers because bad mistakes

[8:08:25] now are going to cost us a lot

[8:08:26] more leaders.

[8:08:26] Ook at schools

[8:08:27] p $50-$60 million for the next

[8:08:28] middle school.

[8:08:28] MAY be 79 million for the next

[8:08:28] school.

[8:08:29] Where is that money going to

[8:08:30] come from?

[8:08:30] Thank you.

[8:08:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:08:35] next speaker, please.

[8:08:39] >> Public Speaker: michael,

[8:08:42] occoquan district.

[8:08:47] Thank you all for the time.

[8:08:48] I would like to talk a little

[8:08:51] bit about impacts and what we

[8:08:57] see from these projects.

[8:08:57] One was already approved.

[8:08:58] We are looking on this one is

[8:08:59] approved which they are not

[8:09:00] equal is reestablished.

[8:09:05] One is in deep orpa, one isn't

[8:09:05] .

[8:09:08] but it is 550 homes here in

[8:09:11] looking at depending on what

[8:09:12] estimate measure you use,

[8:09:17] around 3000 to 4000 trips on

[8:09:17] hoadley in the span of a day

[8:09:21] between deliveries, trash

[8:09:27] trucks, cars, what have you.

[8:09:28] You put that much traffic on

[8:09:29] hoadley road and you are

[8:09:33] looking at having to solve that

[8:09:34] traffic issue which is already

[8:09:35] a problem, which MAY be a means

[8:09:36] whitening hoadley road so I

[8:09:37] hope the residents enjoy that

[8:09:38] road getting a little closer to

[8:09:40] their homes.

[8:09:41] Let's talk about the schools

[8:09:43] for a second.

[8:09:46] The elementary and high school

[8:09:49] is overcrowded today

[8:09:53] .

[8:09:54] It is at 100 percent and I

[8:09:55] appreciate the developer

[8:09:56] proffering money toward it

[8:09:59] unlike the other one that we

[8:10:00] approved in the room and put

[8:10:01] more burden on me tonight and

[8:10:02] all the people in the room

[8:10:03] .

[8:10:05] If you live in prince on them

[8:10:07] county.

[8:10:08] My kids are looking to going to

[8:10:12] school the elementary in

[8:10:12] trailers.

[8:10:13] Nathan who you praised tonight

[8:10:16] in here, they have trailers at

[8:10:19] colgan high school.

[8:10:20] Is that what we want in our

[8:10:21] community to take 100 percent

[8:10:26] packed schools and make that

[8:10:27] the way our kids go to school

[8:10:29] and then to solve it because

[8:10:30] the proffers while they are

[8:10:36] great, they do not solve

[8:10:36] everything.

[8:10:37] You're talking about additional

[8:10:38] funding coming out of each

[8:10:40] taxpayers pocket to fix a

[8:10:47] problem were saying yes to

[8:10:47] tonight that is not our

[8:10:47] problem.

[8:10:48] We are creating the problem in

[8:10:51] this room

[8:10:52] .

[8:11:00] We breeze passed another thing

[8:11:01] that flew past earlier in the

[8:11:02] night about the, I get forget

[8:11:02] the phrasing.

[8:11:03] The cultural significant area

[8:11:03] on the project.

[8:11:07] Just so everyone is clear,

[8:11:08] that's a site that predates

[8:11:10] colonial sediment the pattern

[8:11:12] of life in any archaeological

[8:11:13] area means it is not just in

[8:11:17] the area which it is

[8:11:17] discovered.

[8:11:22] Once we bulldoze that area and

[8:11:23] disturb it, that is damage that

[8:11:29] can't be recovered from.

[8:11:30] So there is also the orpa which

[8:11:32] we talked about in depth.

[8:11:33] The orpa was put in place to

[8:11:35] protect every single persons

[8:11:40] drinking water in this area.

[8:11:41] We heard at naseem I don't want

[8:11:42] to go through it and repeat

[8:11:44] what others have said it better

[8:11:47] than I can.

[8:11:48] I know from the well-known

[8:11:49] property because I bought the

[8:11:54] house from family, the well has

[8:11:56] lowered the amount of gallons

[8:11:58] per minute reduced.

[8:12:02] It was drilled in 1986.

[8:12:03] The cost and impact of the

[8:12:05] people who live in my area

[8:12:06] , the

[8:12:12] entire mid to co-area, to draw

[8:12:13] up a new well you're talking

[8:12:13] $10,000-$40,000.

[8:12:18] So if we vote yes on this

[8:12:23] particular project tonight when

[8:12:24] somebody in prince william

[8:12:25] county medco area in the years

[8:12:27] to come has to drill a new well

[8:12:27] maybe they don't get the car

[8:12:39] that year, there can doesn't

[8:12:40] get to go to college, that is

[8:12:40] the choice you're making

[8:12:41] tonight by beginning to take

[8:12:42] land out of the orpa for those

[8:12:43] people, want them to remember

[8:12:48] if they are listening that if

[8:12:48] people vote for the project

[8:12:49] here and take land out of the

[8:12:50] orpa they are taking

[8:12:51] potentially money out of their

[8:12:51] pocket.

[8:12:52] Thank you for your time.

[8:13:00] I appreciate it.

[8:13:01] >> Public Speaker: good

[8:13:02] evening.

[8:13:04] I am quincy

[8:13:06] , and occoquan

[8:13:13] resident since 1973.

[8:13:14] I will just take the short term

[8:13:15] because my father jack is going

[8:13:17] to do the long time.

[8:13:19] I want to thank the chris with

[8:13:25] the family for all the years he

[8:13:25] put in the place.

[8:13:26] Both my daughters became expert

[8:13:31] writers on your property and

[8:13:32] they both went off to compete

[8:13:33] at the national level in

[8:13:37] quarter horse writing.

[8:13:37] Thank you very much for your

[8:13:40] service and I am beyond sad

[8:13:45] this is shutting down.

[8:13:46] You guys were a magnificent

[8:13:48] addition to our community for

[8:13:49] more than 50 years so thank you

[8:13:55] very much.

[8:13:56] I'm going to repeat what you

[8:13:56] just heard.

[8:14:02] Please keep the orpa in place.

[8:14:02] We have to

[8:14:03] protect our drinking

[8:14:03] water and datacenter water,

[8:14:08] unfortunately.

[8:14:08] You for that went to fairfax

[8:14:09] county because they know what

[8:14:10] they are doing up there and we

[8:14:11] don't

[8:14:21] .

[8:14:21] If the data centers need water,

[8:14:23] they can choose groundwater

[8:14:26] recycling through wells that

[8:14:27] are cut down a huge amount of

[8:14:28] our water from prince william

[8:14:31] county that we produced in the

[8:14:35] mooney plant goes

[8:14:35] , the water

[8:14:36] from fairfax county water

[8:14:41] authority.

[8:14:42] The plant recycles it.

[8:14:43] But a huge amount about water

[8:14:44] goes to the data centers

[8:14:44] .

[8:14:48] If I was you I would ask pws a

[8:14:49] how much of their water is

[8:14:54] going to data centers because

[8:14:54] it's an unknown.

[8:14:55] You should know what that

[8:14:58] number is every day.

[8:14:59] We can't drink it if it is in

[8:15:02] the data center

[8:15:02] .

[8:15:03] It goes up there and get pumped

[8:15:08] up and they recycle it.

[8:15:09] And then it comes back to the

[8:15:09] occoquan of course.

[8:15:11] This is

[8:15:13] your decision obviously

[8:15:17] .

[8:15:18] Citizens have opinions,

[8:15:18] planning commissions have

[8:15:22] opinions and boards and

[8:15:23] supervisors are the only ones

[8:15:24] that have boats so this is on

[8:15:30] the wall.

[8:15:31] Want to thank the applicant for

[8:15:32] downsizing for what he started

[8:15:34] out staying open communication

[8:15:35] with the rest of the community

[8:15:37] thank you very much.

[8:15:43] Guys have done good and I think

[8:15:44] not being an expert on this

[8:15:44] stuff.

[8:15:50] I think a big open area with

[8:15:51] the pond on it is going to do

[8:15:52] the things we want for

[8:15:53] protecting, rather than just

[8:15:54] five acre lots.

[8:15:55] So thank you very much for

[8:15:58] that.

[8:15:58] Like jack said, we need more

[8:16:12] support for the orpa.

[8:16:13] Thank you all for paying

[8:16:13] attention.

[8:16:14] Thank you for a

[8:16:16] long night.

[8:16:17] Thank you for doing what you're

[8:16:21] going to do and protect the

[8:16:26] orpa whatever you do.

[8:16:27] As far as I'm concerned, we the

[8:16:36] quality developer here who is

[8:16:37] trying to make in our mental

[8:16:38] impact and he picked up the

[8:16:39] fairfax county standards which

[8:16:39] nobody else has which I

[8:16:40] appreciate a loft.

[8:16:40] Thank you.

[8:16:42] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:16:44] before jack goes again, I'm

[8:16:47] calling the next group out.

[8:16:49] Hold on.

[8:16:53] Let me call them up.

[8:16:53] Doctor jack, let me call up the

[8:16:56] next group of people.

[8:16:59] So I have andrew

[8:17:03] , [Name], julie

[8:17:04] I am sorry have your

[8:17:06] pronunciation on the other page

[8:17:06] but I am looking at you so go

[8:17:09] on up.

[8:17:12] Richard welch and nathan

[8:17:13] higgins

[8:17:15] .

[8:17:19] It is your turn.

[8:17:20] >> Public Speaker: MADAM Chair

[8:17:23] and members of the board, I

[8:17:25] wish you well for the holidays

[8:17:31] in the year ahead.

[8:17:32] I do want to say we are blessed

[8:17:36] with quality staff

[8:17:37] .

[8:17:38] They do as much due diligence

[8:17:40] as possible and I want to thank

[8:17:43] the staff for working at the

[8:17:47] applicant and I want to thank

[8:17:48] the applicant for remaining

[8:17:51] open dialogue with us

[8:17:52] .

[8:17:53] We can pick up the phone and

[8:17:57] say could you meet us?

[8:17:58] In fact, we met OCTOBER 30 our

[8:18:01] last meeting and went over all

[8:18:04] the changes

[8:18:04] .

[8:18:06] The committee has asked over

[8:18:10] the high density, but we ended

[8:18:12] up with a substantial density

[8:18:17] suggestions and then also doing

[8:18:18] a lot of things that were more

[8:18:23] respectful of the land.

[8:18:24] I want to complement the

[8:18:27] applicant in that regard.

[8:18:28] I know he is a commitment to

[8:18:32] continue the dialogue.

[8:18:35] And with that I want to ask

[8:18:35] whatever decision you make, if

[8:18:39] you make an approval we would

[8:18:44] like to have a courtesy review

[8:18:45] on the architecture signage,

[8:18:46] lighting, landscaping,

[8:18:49] stormwater controls and such so

[8:18:51] we can have that dialogue.

[8:18:58] And we can engage the community

[8:18:59] in the discussion prior to

[8:19:00] final site plan.

[8:19:00] So we would like to see that.

[8:19:04] With regard to the orpa in

[8:19:07] particular, we strongly

[8:19:10] recommend to maintain the orpa

[8:19:14] designation rather than that in

[8:19:21] the three.

[8:19:22] It's a philosophy of protecting

[8:19:24] the reservoir and just trying

[8:19:29] to be good stewards

[8:19:30] .

[8:19:31] I would say the applicant a

[8:19:31] step

[8:19:32] forward in that regard in a

[8:19:36] positive manner, which

[8:19:38] encourages us

[8:19:39] .

[8:19:40] As we look at this particular

[8:19:43] application

[8:19:44] , we have serious

[8:19:45] commitments

[8:19:46] .

[8:19:48] 65 percent is now an opened

[8:19:51] base

[8:19:52] .

[8:19:53] We have the commitment to place

[8:19:56] it into a conservation easement

[8:20:00] in trust.

[8:20:01] We have the buffer along the

[8:20:05] prince william parkway.

[8:20:06] It will be an undisturbed

[8:20:11] buffer.

[8:20:12] Is not quite 50 feet but it is

[8:20:12] an undisturbed buffer.

[8:20:15] And we

[8:20:17] talked a lot about parking and

[8:20:20] we said we want to see ample

[8:20:24] parking in street parking and

[8:20:25] all that came to pass so we

[8:20:30] ended up with 1124 parking

[8:20:37] spaces when we have 721

[8:20:37] required spaces.

[8:20:38] And we are approximately 400

[8:20:50] spaces above code.

[8:20:51] These are all good places been.

[8:20:52] We have the bow stations we are

[8:20:53] looking at within our around

[8:20:58] the site.

[8:20:59] The other thing we worked on

[8:21:00] years ago with the moss was

[8:21:03] trying to eliminate the u-turns

[8:21:06] .

[8:21:07] Are a specific recommendation

[8:21:11] in the letter to the mosque

[8:21:11] leadership was the queens

[8:21:13] chapel intersection to be

[8:21:17] better realigned

[8:21:18] .

[8:21:23] And what MR. Romano actually

[8:21:23] affected the change with what

[8:21:25] he has done

[8:21:25] .

[8:21:26] What he is proposing along

[8:21:31] galveston court.

[8:21:32] In the area of the complex and

[8:21:34] then we talked about internal

[8:21:40] traffic movements the idea of

[8:21:42] not having more traffic on the

[8:21:45] parkway

[8:21:45] .

[8:21:46] I think it is at work in

[8:21:53] progress, but the internal

[8:21:53] traffic movements have been

[8:21:54] optimized as much as the

[8:21:57] applicant could do.

[8:21:58] I think that would help reduce

[8:22:00] the counts on the two

[8:22:04] problematic areas of that

[8:22:11] section.

[8:22:11] we are looking to have

[8:22:13] undisturbed areas with the

[8:22:16] natural slope and natural

[8:22:19] surface trail

[8:22:19] .

[8:22:24] And that was discussed by the

[8:22:25] applicant with the lost creek

[8:22:29] neighbors in the trail when to

[8:22:31] be field cleared with minimal

[8:22:31] clearcutting.

[8:22:34] So these are

[8:22:35] , in the end of the

[8:22:36] conservation easement as well

[8:22:41] .

[8:22:49] A lot of this is coming to pass

[8:22:50] based on his discussion with

[8:22:51] the neighbors and we like to

[8:22:53] see that continue in some

[8:22:56] fashion because this project

[8:23:00] will not be built overnight.

[8:23:01] It will take a while to get in

[8:23:06] place.

[8:23:07] I just wanted to go back to the

[8:23:07] orpa.

[8:23:08] The orpa is designed

[8:23:10] .

[8:23:11] Was on the original committee

[8:23:12] we were trying to meet

[8:23:14] preservation standards

[8:23:14] .

[8:23:18] By the way, I worked on writing

[8:23:22] a paper to the public works

[8:23:23] committee as the chair of the

[8:23:24] federal water quality

[8:23:27] association government affairs

[8:23:30] from the water environment for

[8:23:32] senator mitchell and the

[8:23:36] committee to recommend and be

[8:23:37] established and then they came

[8:23:39] back to the sunshine and

[8:23:47] government act five years later

[8:23:48] and said should the act remain

[8:23:50] or should it go away

[8:23:50] .

[8:23:52] And we recommended that remain

[8:23:55] in place as a permanent

[8:23:57] institution.

[8:24:02] Because we've ecological change

[8:24:03] going on in the area.

[8:24:04] Ecological changes more than

[8:24:07] decades.

[8:24:09] Knew of the local jurisdictions

[8:24:12] that need to work to codify

[8:24:16] things and they were working on

[8:24:20] it.

[8:24:24] That was quite an experience

[8:24:27] working to get preservation by

[8:24:34] act incorporated in congress.

[8:24:35] I did it through the

[8:24:37] professional organization with

[8:24:47] other members of associations.

[8:24:48] Chesapeake, virginia, and

[8:24:49] others picked pennsylvania and

[8:24:51] others

[8:24:52] .

[8:24:53] I do want to say when we were

[8:24:55] pondering the orpa of what it

[8:25:00] should look like, to have it

[8:25:02] function to reduce settlements,

[8:25:05] reduce nutrients and pollutants

[8:25:12] and although that comment and

[8:25:12] be respectful of steep

[8:25:13] slope

[8:25:14] areas, environmentally

[8:25:18] sensitive areas and it shrinks

[8:25:22] well soils, which by the way on

[8:25:23] list if you can see up on the

[8:25:27] charts the staff offered to,

[8:25:28] you had those elements in the

[8:25:30] chart

[8:25:31] .

[8:25:32] And that is the very definition

[8:25:35] of orpa.

[8:25:39] We need to work smartly to be

[8:25:40] considerate of our environment

[8:25:45] and to work expectations for

[8:25:52] performance so we can leave

[8:25:53] that at the foot of the

[8:25:55] developer who says I want to do

[8:25:56] something here on this piece of

[8:26:01] land and staff out of the

[8:26:03] expectations provide to the

[8:26:04] applicant

[8:26:05] .

[8:26:10] It saves time, saves money, it

[8:26:13] seems problems down the road if

[8:26:15] we can be more thoughtful about

[8:26:18] what to do within the orpa.

[8:26:20] I would urge the board to think

[8:26:26] about this MAY be committed

[8:26:27] staff time and funds and have a

[8:26:31] citizen stakeholder group

[8:26:32] discussed that in a thoughtful

[8:26:36] manner and see what elements

[8:26:39] could be incorporated in those

[8:26:40] expectations that you could

[8:26:45] provide others in the future.

[8:26:47] By the way, in the presentation

[8:26:48] he had

[8:26:52] , he talked about the

[8:26:56] horse theme your grave

[8:26:57] institutions in prince william

[8:26:59] county such as the foundation,

[8:27:03] the center for the arts that

[8:27:05] they could take off on the

[8:27:09] horse theme park unit of other

[8:27:15] things involved.

[8:27:16] Might be something for

[8:27:17] discussions in the future if

[8:27:18] you decide to go forward with

[8:27:22] this project and so with that,

[8:27:23] thank you very much and I wish

[8:27:25] you well in your decision.

[8:27:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:27:27] thank you very much.

[8:27:36] Next speaker, please.

[8:27:37] >> Public Speaker: my name is

[8:27:37] andrew.

[8:27:39] I live in the occoquan district

[8:27:39] .

[8:27:40] Been in the area seven months

[8:27:41] now.

[8:27:47] I have four kids myself so this

[8:27:48] was going to be our secluded

[8:27:48] forever home.

[8:27:50] As far away as I could go my

[8:27:54] way from the D.C. Area.

[8:27:55] I would first like to start

[8:27:55] with the development and

[8:27:58] turning the lost creek

[8:28:04] residential area to be three.

[8:28:08] I don't think it is an adequate

[8:28:10] segue from a religious temple

[8:28:23] to a business place to the

[8:28:24] residential place backing to

[8:28:25] nsr 1. Is not respectful of the

[8:28:26] lay of the land and it's going

[8:28:27] to cause more traffic into a

[8:28:29] high density area.

[8:28:30] With that being said, I will

[8:28:30] move on from that.

[8:28:31] People have spoken.

[8:28:37] Rofessionals with the county

[8:28:38] is spoken.

[8:28:39] You people signal about

[8:28:39] environmental, you people

[8:28:40] saying know about school in the

[8:28:42] first presentation 20 citizen

[8:28:43] say no and one say yes and you

[8:28:45] guys still chose to go against

[8:28:45] the professionals and the

[8:28:46] people.

[8:28:49] I ask why

[8:28:50] .

[8:28:51] Location on hoadley regarding

[8:28:53] identities will add traffic and

[8:28:56] more traffic in a tight space.

[8:28:57] We have a mile stretch of

[8:28:58] shopping centers

[8:28:58] .

[8:29:04] Now maple grove park no matter

[8:29:05] what traffic pattern you do,

[8:29:07] it's not going to work.

[8:29:08] We lived in the northern region

[8:29:08] my whole life.

[8:29:16] It is always a disaster

[8:29:17] .

[8:29:18] You are not going to turn three

[8:29:19] lanes into two lanes because

[8:29:20] you were getting the whole

[8:29:20] woodrow wilson bridge effect.

[8:29:21] D.C. To marilyn effect.

[8:29:22] We can do we want to keep

[8:29:23] piling on the high density and

[8:29:23] it's never going to work in all

[8:29:33] your numbers are statistics

[8:29:34] .

[8:29:34] Poor planning and traffic

[8:29:36] circle we keep hearing from the

[8:29:36] development company is I'm

[8:29:37] going to make an additional

[8:29:37] left lane.

[8:29:38] Three left lanes to two, common

[8:29:39] sense does not work.

[8:29:40] Making changes I appreciate

[8:29:42] that but I would expect the

[8:29:43] professional manner those

[8:29:44] changes would be made in the

[8:29:48] presentation suitable for the

[8:29:49] common person to see and

[8:29:50] technologist.

[8:29:52] Otherwise we are green what is

[8:30:04] on the board.

[8:30:05] And I would like to see before

[8:30:06] you guys commit to this is an

[8:30:06] actual plan.

[8:30:07] We have all this ai, all these

[8:30:08] professionals to say it's good

[8:30:09] for the development but what

[8:30:10] about the traffic pattern per

[8:30:11] quarter feasible traffic

[8:30:14] patterns that are going to be

[8:30:15] done by the tax payers were the

[8:30:17] county

[8:30:18] .

[8:30:19] What is that going to be.

[8:30:26] They going to do to solve these

[8:30:26] problems, not to

[8:30:27] mention we have

[8:30:27] another thousand homes being

[8:30:28] built in a two mile radius.

[8:30:29] Like he said, there would be

[8:30:34] additional runoff traffic and

[8:30:35] then returning prince william

[8:30:36] county into fairfax county

[8:30:37] which is an unaffordable place

[8:30:38] for its own self if this is

[8:30:39] going to trickle down

[8:30:44] .

[8:30:45] I would take this time to think

[8:30:46] wisely on making these

[8:30:47] decisions and development in

[8:30:48] certain areas we improve

[8:30:49] certain areas developing other

[8:30:50] areas.

[8:30:51] That is all they will say this

[8:30:52] time.

[8:30:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:30:57] thank you.

[8:31:02] Next speaker, please.

[8:31:03] >> Public Speaker: good

[8:31:04] evening.

[8:31:09] My name is julia

[8:31:09] .

[8:31:15] I am in the occoquan district.

[8:31:19] I would like to circle back.

[8:31:22] I've been hearing a lot about

[8:31:23] orpa and the thing I'm most

[8:31:28] concerned about is that in orpa

[8:31:29] it sounded like it recommended

[8:31:37] five acres per one home

[8:31:38] .

[8:31:39] And then we heard also that

[8:31:40] when we had the environment all

[8:31:43] specialist was asked the

[8:31:44] question which would be better

[8:31:45] for orpa

[8:31:45] .

[8:31:49] Five acres per one home or the

[8:31:51] development is currently

[8:31:55] proposed and he said five acres

[8:31:56] per one home.

[8:31:57] That is what was

[8:32:02] in orpa.

[8:32:03] And had been developed over 10

[8:32:07] years with a locked of studies,

[8:32:08] a law that input and those

[8:32:09] recommendations

[8:32:09] .

[8:32:17] It surprises me one developer

[8:32:18] can come in, propose something

[8:32:22] that doesn't match orpa and yet

[8:32:23] this is being seriously

[8:32:24] considered, which would also

[8:32:27] jeopardize the drinking water

[8:32:29] for already the current

[8:32:31] residents who have moved to the

[8:32:39] area because we wanted to have

[8:32:40] areas that were conserved.

[8:32:41] We wanted to have the trees, we

[8:32:42] wanted to have this area

[8:32:43] .

[8:32:44] And when doing this, it's just

[8:32:47] this area that needs to be

[8:32:55] preserved for the watershed.

[8:32:56] We are not saying oh my gosh

[8:32:56] potomac mills is disturbing the

[8:33:00] watershed are these other areas

[8:33:01] , they would be more

[8:33:02] appropriate.

[8:33:04] There are other areas that are

[8:33:09] better suited for

[8:33:09] transportation.

[8:33:10] Here is

[8:33:15] transportation already multiple

[8:33:16] buses going to certain areas

[8:33:19] and then if we would have been

[8:33:20] to redeveloping some of those

[8:33:22] areas

[8:33:23] , that would be better for

[8:33:24] the community

[8:33:30] .

[8:33:30] Currently I live off of hoadley

[8:33:31] road near purcell and I decided

[8:33:40] to try omni ride to.

[8:33:40] It was very discouraging.

[8:33:45] I never could get a ride back

[8:33:45] .

[8:33:49] During a five day period taking

[8:33:51] omni ride I would be able to

[8:33:55] get to work but I would show up

[8:33:59] in one bus would state that the

[8:34:00] time, another bus wouldn't show

[8:34:01] up

[8:34:04] .

[8:34:05] Even if you add a couple of

[8:34:08] buses

[8:34:10] , we don't have a law that

[8:34:10] come through.

[8:34:14] There other areas where people

[8:34:14] able to.

[8:34:23] Here we go to stoneridge and it

[8:34:23] is very small.

[8:34:24] When he of the other buses that

[8:34:33] go near potomac mills

[8:34:34] , those

[8:34:35] buses come so regularly.

[8:34:36] If one driver is unable to

[8:34:37] shall be of another bus did

[8:34:38] another bus of people were

[8:34:43] saying that was not a big deal.

[8:34:44] This is something we are trying

[8:34:46] to plan already in saying we

[8:34:48] are going to rely on buses that

[8:34:49] that would help with the

[8:34:51] traffic

[8:34:52] .

[8:34:53] I just don't see how that's

[8:34:55] going to pick especially when

[8:34:55] there are so many developments

[8:35:03] that have been made or they

[8:35:04] have one entrance.

[8:35:04] This one sounds like it might

[8:35:05] have one other entrance but

[8:35:07] again, it's funneling onto

[8:35:08] hoadley road and estimates

[8:35:14] traffic.

[8:35:14] The other main thing I wanted

[8:35:15] to point out was by changing

[8:35:16] this designation

[8:35:16] .

[8:35:22] Going from agriculture to mu3,

[8:35:27] not keeping in the spirit with

[8:35:27] orpa but it also sounds like we

[8:35:32] have a locked

[8:35:33] , if with this

[8:35:34] change we are creating this

[8:35:39] precedent that will show other

[8:35:46] areas can be chipped away.

[8:35:47] The watershed will continue to

[8:35:48] be degraded by having these

[8:35:54] high density projects right

[8:35:54] next to the watershed.

[8:35:59] Of this is something that can

[8:36:00] happen this time the developers

[8:36:02] remember this and come back

[8:36:07] again and again and by

[8:36:08] properties already and say no

[8:36:11] we are ready to develop this

[8:36:12] and it would to be harder and

[8:36:15] harder to say no.

[8:36:16] Think one of the thing people

[8:36:17] have mentioned is fairfax

[8:36:22] county has also been an example

[8:36:25] of having five acre homes per

[8:36:27] one house

[8:36:29] .

[8:36:30] You can see the area they try

[8:36:33] to protect in the watershed in

[8:36:34] fairfax county just the crossed

[8:36:41] the river has shown it provides

[8:36:42] ample area for the watershed to

[8:36:45] recharge

[8:36:45] .

[8:36:46] And so with that, I urge you to

[8:36:50] oppose the changing of the

[8:36:52] zoning.

[8:36:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:36:53] thank you.

[8:37:09] Next speaker, please.

[8:37:10] >> Public Speaker: hello.

[8:37:10] I live in the coles district.

[8:37:11] We have spoken at length about

[8:37:12] the future tonight so if you

[8:37:13] will allow me would like the

[8:37:24] pause and alternative

[8:37:25] perspective with respect to

[8:37:25] that future.

[8:37:26] I am the father of two young

[8:37:27] beautiful children.

[8:37:27] t took my

[8:37:28] wife and I several years to

[8:37:29] find appropriate housing for

[8:37:29] our family and we wanted to

[8:37:30] live here in prince william

[8:37:31] county.

[8:37:33] Fortunately we found some, but

[8:37:40] many young families like

[8:37:41] ourselves in our generation are

[8:37:42] not as fortunate.

[8:37:43] We are struggling to find

[8:37:43] housing is at a reasonable

[8:37:44] price point and it's no secret

[8:37:48] we are facing a housing crisis.

[8:37:49] People want to be near their

[8:37:50] families in a multigenerational

[8:37:53] presence here in print on them

[8:37:57] county.

[8:37:58] The majority of my wife's

[8:37:58] family are in prince william

[8:38:00] and that's key for us having

[8:38:01] our family nearby to help raise

[8:38:04] our children.

[8:38:05] Often when reasonably priced

[8:38:11] housing as discussed, we are

[8:38:12] told not here because of reason

[8:38:12] x or not there because of

[8:38:13] reason why.

[8:38:15] Or not there because of reason

[8:38:18] z and the end result is there's

[8:38:20] very little suitable space for

[8:38:23] the reasonably priced housing

[8:38:29] the message becomes no one

[8:38:29] else's welcome to continue

[8:38:30] renting because the

[8:38:31] american

[8:38:31] dream is not for you.

[8:38:34] You own nothing and you will be

[8:38:35] happy.

[8:38:35] We are at risk of becoming a

[8:38:42] transient county where young

[8:38:42] families are subscribing to

[8:38:43] live just because it is within

[8:38:44] a manageable district

[8:38:44] .

[8:38:45] If you want homeownership the

[8:38:50] message becomes no

[8:38:50] .

[8:38:51] Spend more time communing and

[8:38:59] less time with their family.

[8:38:59] understand there are many

[8:39:00] factors contributing to the

[8:39:01] housing crisis one of those

[8:39:02] that supply and that is a key

[8:39:08] the board distal control over.

[8:39:09] It is within your power to do

[8:39:10] your part in reining in these

[8:39:10] runaway home

[8:39:14] prices.

[8:39:15] Looking at hoadley square I see

[8:39:20] a proposal that sets a strong

[8:39:20] standard for environmental

[8:39:21] protection and has adequate

[8:39:24] funds proffered to support

[8:39:26] transportation education.

[8:39:27] Just as important and means

[8:39:29] warehousing for young families

[8:39:30] who want to call prince william

[8:39:33] home

[8:39:33] .

[8:39:34] Not just some transient

[8:39:35] location where we subscribe to

[8:39:38] limburg am asking the board of

[8:39:42] supervisors to invest in the

[8:39:43] vision of a county where people

[8:39:44] can continue to lead on the

[8:39:46] roots.

[8:39:51] Not just a place they lead so

[8:39:52] they can take their kids to

[8:39:52] mosaic.

[8:39:54] Did not just a place where you

[8:39:57] a are a perpetual tenant.

[8:39:59] Hoadley squirt and I request

[8:40:02] the honorable board of

[8:40:03] supervisors vote in favor of

[8:40:04] the conference of plan

[8:40:05] amendment and the rezoning.

[8:40:08] Thank you.

[8:40:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:40:12] before I get to the next

[8:40:13] speaker I want to make sure I

[8:40:13] call the next few.

[8:40:14] So I've richard.

[8:40:17] Nathan higgins

[8:40:19] .

[8:40:24] [Name]

[8:40:28] Thank you.

[8:40:31] [Name]

[8:40:33] Kevin parker

[8:40:35] .

[8:40:39] [Name] If you can all go to the

[8:40:41] back.

[8:40:43] And then I will have the next

[8:40:53] speaker come up.

[8:40:53] Spoke on jonathan higgins,

[8:40:58] nathan higgins father.

[8:40:59] It's a school night so school

[8:41:07] starts in seven hours or so.

[8:41:08] He is getting up in seven hours

[8:41:09] so I am here on his behalf.

[8:41:09] Ot going to try to retell

[8:41:10] what nathan told you.

[8:41:11] You heard about his concerns

[8:41:12] with the school capacity in the

[8:41:17] traffic capacity and they are

[8:41:18] the same concerns on the

[8:41:19] project here.

[8:41:22] Item I would like to bring up

[8:41:24] is that b3 zoning

[8:41:26] .

[8:41:31] I look at that is a different

[8:41:32] area than the rest of the

[8:41:32] project.

[8:41:38] I'm concerned with the orpa I

[8:41:39] don't support that but the

[8:41:44] zoning a particular hate to use

[8:41:45] the word offensive, but I would

[8:41:51] use that word.

[8:41:52] The idea homes can be bought in

[8:41:53] the neighborhood and rezoned

[8:41:54] out from under you to

[8:41:58] commercial space, convenience

[8:41:58] store, whatever the different

[8:41:59] ideas have been

[8:42:03] .

[8:42:06] Thinking lot of us in this room

[8:42:07] lives in a community that

[8:42:07] doesn't have an hoa that

[8:42:11] doesn't protect us from the

[8:42:14] sort of intrusion.

[8:42:19] Purchased the home my realtor

[8:42:20] looked at not

[8:42:20] having hoa being a

[8:42:24] positive thing.

[8:42:25] Never realized there is no

[8:42:26] organization or by laws

[8:42:30] protecting me from having homes

[8:42:33] converted and rezoned.

[8:42:34] That is why we rely on mute to

[8:42:35] prevent zoning and things of

[8:42:38] that nature to maintain the

[8:42:43] public confidence that if you

[8:42:50] move into a neighborhood it is

[8:42:51] not going to become a

[8:42:52] convenience store and at the

[8:42:52] convenience store doesn't work

[8:42:53] out become a smoke shop like I

[8:42:55] have seen in some of the other

[8:42:57] neighborhoods were mixed use

[8:43:02] zoning was allowed in the

[8:43:03] businesses failed.

[8:43:06] With that I ask you to vote no

[8:43:06] .

[8:43:10] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:43:11] thank you.

[8:43:15] Next speaker, please.

[8:43:16] >> Public Speaker: good

[8:43:19] evening.

[8:43:20] It will be good morning soon.

[8:43:22] Neabsco district but I did live

[8:43:26] across from this project for

[8:43:31] many years.

[8:43:32] In queens dale estates today

[8:43:33] there is a property in the

[8:43:36] market for 950,000.

[8:43:37] Most properties when I lived in

[8:43:40] the area were 500, 550.

[8:43:49] And basically it has doubled

[8:43:50] that's what's happening in the

[8:43:51] area.

[8:43:52] For me this is the most storm

[8:43:52] desirable area.

[8:43:53] That last barrier between

[8:43:54] eastern prince william county

[8:43:59] and manasses area.

[8:44:00] Realistically at the end of the

[8:44:01] day, and this is still a

[8:44:03] suburban area often measure

[8:44:04] road at a major intersection in

[8:44:08] prince william pkwy.

[8:44:09] , we have here is a property

[8:44:12] that is attached to this major

[8:44:14] route and that the development

[8:44:18] is going.

[8:44:18] What it does all this instead

[8:44:20] having homes at 950,000 the

[8:44:26] lack of supply, there are five

[8:44:26] homes in the entire area

[8:44:27] between trenton road and

[8:44:28] richfield available-for-sale.

[8:44:33] rom prince william pkwy.

[8:44:34] To dale boulevard, the entire

[8:44:35] square if you guys can have the

[8:44:36] mental imagery, it is five

[8:44:44] homes that are for sale in the

[8:44:44] entire area.

[8:44:45] Hat's what we

[8:44:45] have had for the last couple

[8:44:46] years.

[8:44:46] We need to solve is a supply

[8:44:47] issue.

[8:44:50] We need 2000 homes in the

[8:44:51] region to solve some format of

[8:44:54] what we have.

[8:44:59] What the impact for me here.

[8:45:01] And live off dale boulevard

[8:45:04] that is one of only parks and

[8:45:10] trails you can access walking

[8:45:10] .

[8:45:13] There is nothing.

[8:45:16] From dale boulevard to prince

[8:45:20] william pkwy.

[8:45:21] And there's no sidewalks and no

[8:45:23] access to any kind of amenities

[8:45:24] .

[8:45:26] For me what this creates is a

[8:45:29] movable, walkable community

[8:45:30] where I have a sidewalk that

[8:45:33] connects to hoadley.

[8:45:34] It creates trails I can

[8:45:39] actually walk

[8:45:40] .

[8:45:41] If you guys are aware, there is

[8:45:48] nothing in the area.

[8:45:48] There is no nature, there's no

[8:45:49] walkable communities.

[8:45:50] For me that's one of the

[8:45:54] biggest potential impacts for

[8:45:54] me.

[8:45:55] I think the applicants have

[8:45:56] done a great job lowering the

[8:45:57] density so there is a lot of

[8:45:58] density pick what they are

[8:45:59] doing is bringing density that

[8:46:01] matters and they are creating

[8:46:06] better product

[8:46:06] .

[8:46:07] With the maple dale proposal

[8:46:08] you have a lot of these high

[8:46:15] density, smaller homes this

[8:46:16] type of product brings livable

[8:46:17] townhomes, usable townhomes.

[8:46:18] I personally hate the

[8:46:30] reloading, kind of four levels

[8:46:30] .

[8:46:31] Data house you can have a

[8:46:32] modest space in, have a

[8:46:33] townhouse that has a garage,

[8:46:33] have a driveway so you are not

[8:46:35] in these communities where one

[8:46:35] car can come in, one car can

[8:46:36] come out.

[8:46:37] The community design has been

[8:46:37] great, the public area is

[8:46:38] great.

[8:46:39] I don't know of any other

[8:46:40] developer in the region that

[8:46:43] would do what they can for the

[8:46:44] public and that's the biggest

[8:46:48] difference between the

[8:46:49] development versus others the

[8:46:51] fact that there is additional

[8:46:52] parking, the fact they are

[8:46:54] relining the road.

[8:47:02] I go across that every friday.

[8:47:02] The misalignment has been so

[8:47:03] many incidents there.

[8:47:04] Having the ability to pull

[8:47:05] traffic away and have a public

[8:47:14] road that goes into their

[8:47:14] having the access to galveston.

[8:47:15] Not only is it going to support

[8:47:17] the businesses, all the people

[8:47:17] leaving other friday, but it

[8:47:18] will pull a lot of the traffic

[8:47:19] away from the intersection of

[8:47:31] queens dale.

[8:47:31] So those are major points.

[8:47:33] If you look at the current farm

[8:47:34] that's the majority of the

[8:47:34] developable area.

[8:47:35] It is really a minor area, in

[8:47:36] additional seven acres.

[8:47:37] But the majority is going to be

[8:47:45] preserved and I know that if a

[8:47:46] huge concern but this is a

[8:47:46] suburban area off of the major

[8:47:56] road at a major intersection

[8:47:59] .

[8:48:00] That is it for me.

[8:48:00] i would ask you to approve it.

[8:48:01] It is going to be huge impact

[8:48:02] and will bring a lot of people

[8:48:02] that can live and work here.

[8:48:10] Would add one thing.

[8:48:10] For me every single community

[8:48:11] amenity have to drive to.

[8:48:12] I used to do a lot of sports.

[8:48:13] Have to go to fairfax to have

[8:48:14] that environment or community

[8:48:21] center.

[8:48:22] Is nothing like that here and a

[8:48:23] lot of times we need the

[8:48:24] density.

[8:48:25] We need the density to support

[8:48:26] community events, community

[8:48:27] activities and programs.

[8:48:31] We need the density to create

[8:48:31] jobs in the area and have the

[8:48:40] jobs be local versus having to

[8:48:41] go to D.C. Or arlington and

[8:48:41] same thing for retail.

[8:48:42] We need density to support

[8:48:45] long-lasting retail in our area

[8:48:46] versus we get half-baked ideas

[8:48:46] over here that last a couple

[8:48:52] years and they fizzle out.

[8:48:53] With all that I would ask you

[8:48:54] vote for approval on this

[8:48:54] project.

[8:48:55] Thank you.

[8:48:57] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:49:04] next speaker, please.

[8:49:05] >> Public Speaker: kevin

[8:49:11] parker, neabsco district.

[8:49:14] I'm here to urge you to vote

[8:49:18] against this.

[8:49:19] We need to balance the values

[8:49:23] of housing and the other

[8:49:24] environmental values that we

[8:49:27] have.

[8:49:28] But we tend to do with water

[8:49:32] issues like in the book I read,

[8:49:37] a civil action talking about

[8:49:38] the pollution in woburn

[8:49:39] massachusetts and exposed

[8:49:40] talking about the pollution in

[8:49:41] west virginia

[8:49:42] .

[8:49:43] intends to cause a big problem.

[8:49:44] And later go we have a big

[8:49:48] problem we have to fix the

[8:49:48] problem.

[8:49:52] It is better to instead with

[8:49:53] water situations is to say

[8:49:57] let's try to have a situation

[8:50:00] beforehand and not worry about

[8:50:07] the problem after it happens.

[8:50:07] Was mentioned about this is a

[8:50:09] small area in comparison of the

[8:50:15] watershed.

[8:50:17] Say we want to protect the

[8:50:21] occoquan nonstick to the rules

[8:50:24] is like saying you want to lose

[8:50:31] weight but not today.

[8:50:32] Today in comparison to the will

[8:50:34] of everything is not really

[8:50:37] consequential.

[8:50:38] I don't think it's realistic to

[8:50:42] think people will use public

[8:50:49] transit from this location.

[8:50:50] The commuting will get worse it

[8:50:51] will be the same issue the

[8:50:55] gentleman that spoke for it was

[8:50:56] talking about traveling in from

[8:50:57] outside the county.

[8:50:59] You

[8:51:02] increase the time on the road

[8:51:02] .

[8:51:04] A lot of people can't be at

[8:51:07] these meetings and all the

[8:51:09] people will be stuck in traffic

[8:51:15] on old bridge the parkway.

[8:51:16] Eventually the story would have

[8:51:19] to be told that the decisions

[8:51:20] that led to the situation of

[8:51:21] living and sitting in traffic

[8:51:22] and how it happened.

[8:51:28] It we developed on the edge

[8:51:29] over the decades the

[8:51:33] development moved from 95

[8:51:34] marching out in the manassas

[8:51:34] direction.

[8:51:40] What we decided to

[8:51:40] do instead having the density

[8:51:41] that people do want to, we said

[8:51:44] okay we want to have this dense

[8:51:45] development on the edge of the

[8:51:46] pattern for I've lived here for

[8:51:50] decades as the emerging among

[8:51:55] old bridge over the years.

[8:51:55] All the arguments I have heard

[8:52:03] are persuasive I think I think

[8:52:08] these are strong arguments that

[8:52:08] argue in favor of voting

[8:52:12] against this project.

[8:52:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:52:15] before we get to the next

[8:52:15] speaker I want to call up my

[8:52:16] next group.

[8:52:17] I have.

[8:52:23] [Name]

[8:52:23] , allie and a guy named

[8:52:24] chris griffin said he wanted to

[8:52:34] sign up?

[8:52:34] All right.

[8:52:35] And that is it for in person.

[8:52:36] If all of you can go up.

[8:52:36] >> Public Speaker: good

[8:52:36] evening.

[8:52:37] I am.

[8:52:40] [Name] I have been in part in

[8:52:41] this area since 1995 so for the

[8:52:44] last 30 years I've lived in

[8:52:49] manassas, manassas park and I

[8:52:50] live in bristow as part of the

[8:52:51] gainesville district.

[8:52:51] First I would like to thank all

[8:52:53] of you county staff and

[8:53:01] everyone involved such as

[8:53:02] trenton project area.

[8:53:03] I strongly support the project

[8:53:04] as it represents responsible

[8:53:04] growth of benefits local

[8:53:11] community in the county.

[8:53:12] In the past 30 years I've seen

[8:53:13] housing demand and supply and

[8:53:14] how it impacted on an

[8:53:14] individual.

[8:53:15] As many of us know currently

[8:53:16] into significant housing

[8:53:20] shortage.

[8:53:20] My daughter working full-time

[8:53:21] for the past three years is

[8:53:26] struggling to find a home

[8:53:26] .

[8:53:27] Increasing the housing supply

[8:53:28] is crucial to addressing rising

[8:53:37] costs.

[8:53:38] as we know from the principal

[8:53:39] limited supply and how demand

[8:53:39] drive up prices.

[8:53:40] This is exactly what's

[8:53:41] happening in our area.

[8:53:41] By improving the project we can

[8:53:43] take a significant step toward

[8:53:44] meeting communities need.

[8:53:44] We look forward to receiving

[8:53:45] approval for the project.

[8:53:46] Thank you.

[8:53:47] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:53:57] next speaker, please.

[8:53:58] >> Public Speaker: good

[8:53:58] evening.

[8:53:59] And then number in the

[8:54:02] community since 2010.

[8:54:03] Here to talk about the housing

[8:54:04] affordability.

[8:54:08] As a parent I'm concerned about

[8:54:09] the limited options available

[8:54:13] to the young graduate

[8:54:14] .

[8:54:15] I strongly support the project

[8:54:19] and urge you to approve it.

[8:54:24] More housing means more

[8:54:25] opportunities for our children

[8:54:26] to stay in the community they

[8:54:26] grew up in.

[8:54:30] Let's work together to build a

[8:54:35] bright future for our families

[8:54:36] with forward to receiving your

[8:54:37] approval for this project

[8:54:37] .

[8:54:38] Thank you.

[8:54:39] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[8:54:47] next speaker, please.

[8:54:51] >> Public Speaker: five minutes

[8:54:52] later it would've been good

[8:54:56] morning.

[8:54:56] My name is.

[8:54:57] [Name] I would request to give

[8:54:59] me a little more time because

[8:55:00] I'm going to mention something

[8:55:01] that is not just what everyone

[8:55:02] else said that will open your

[8:55:05] eyes in terms of other aspects

[8:55:13] .

[8:55:14] I've lived directly across from

[8:55:14] the

[8:55:15] horse farm the subdivision

[8:55:17] that has 60 houses.

[8:55:20] Unfortunately than builders we

[8:55:21] are providing the space for

[8:55:22] community for folks to come in

[8:55:25] and enjoy time.

[8:55:26] They didn't do anything for the

[8:55:27] subdivision.

[8:55:31] I wish the county did they

[8:55:32] proffer and out a little bit a

[8:55:38] land for a parker something.

[8:55:39] Was here and mentioned the only

[8:55:43] place where the kids can go, we

[8:55:47] go to dar alnoor.

[8:55:51] We have swings literally

[8:55:57] nothing on this area.

[8:55:58] I'm excited about it.

[8:56:04] Because one of the reasons for

[8:56:09] us to go somewhere is a park

[8:56:11] like that, there's a walk

[8:56:14] around in depend elementary.

[8:56:14] In fact, one time I didn't know

[8:56:19] that and I took my children

[8:56:20] over there and the principal

[8:56:21] came out running saying we can

[8:56:22] be here during school hours

[8:56:23] even though there was nobody

[8:56:25] using it.

[8:56:26] That is the frustration that we

[8:56:26] feel.

[8:56:29] Anyway, moving on the reason I

[8:56:33] wanted extra time was we all

[8:56:37] grabbed a word but I can

[8:56:40] guarantee you I didn't think I

[8:56:42] think the folks here today.

[8:56:47] Thank you executive shorter.

[8:56:48] Thank you to the chairperson

[8:56:49] other folks being here past

[8:56:58] midnight and listening to us

[8:56:59] babbling for going back to what

[8:57:00] I insane, the buzzword we all

[8:57:01] cite arpa but go ask the

[8:57:02] residents 90 percent of even

[8:57:02] know what it is.

[8:57:03] The reason I'm saying this

[8:57:11] right now is what is it really.

[8:57:12] Never in the history of man

[8:57:13] kind putting a dam on the river

[8:57:14] has been beneficial to the

[8:57:14] natural life but we are calling

[8:57:18] out supervisors and you made a

[8:57:19] commitment that you're going to

[8:57:23] protect the natural life.

[8:57:24] If you protect arpa you are not

[8:57:40] protecting the natural life.

[8:57:41] It's like a fountain, water

[8:57:41] content and there is a bucket

[8:57:42] next to it.

[8:57:44] The runoff goes into the bucket

[8:57:45] supervisors, would you drink

[8:57:46] out of the water faucet or the

[8:57:49] bucket?

[8:57:50] I would not drink out of the

[8:57:50] bucket.

[8:57:52] I would drink out of the water

[8:57:56] faucet but guess what?

[8:57:57] We have polluted parliament

[8:57:58] reversal unit is supervisors

[8:57:59] look at the bigger picture

[8:57:59] because it we are looking at

[8:58:04] this chunk of land in talking

[8:58:04] our heart out.

[8:58:06] Look at the bigger picture and

[8:58:09] say we will clean up the river,

[8:58:10] the state go unfenced going to

[8:58:11] clean up all that.

[8:58:15] It right of the river which is

[8:58:20] dirty, which is nasty and

[8:58:21] trying to fix it is not going

[8:58:22] to work for trying to fix it is

[8:58:25] almost like asking executive

[8:58:26] shorter up the tree behind him,

[8:58:27] can you please water that kenny

[8:58:31] put some light on it.

[8:58:32] It's not going to work out.

[8:58:35] That is almost like that.

[8:58:36] Trying to fix something that is

[8:58:43] broken and we are all out here.

[8:58:44] We have heard a lot of folks

[8:58:45] talk about a joint that not

[8:58:45] having an hoa that the land is

[8:58:47] taken away and reasons.

[8:58:48] We have heard the planning

[8:58:48] commission folks coming and

[8:58:58] satan snakes are getting into

[8:58:59] the home because of the

[8:58:59] subdivisions on the building

[8:58:59] that's

[8:59:00] going to happen.

[8:59:01] That's not going to happen.

[8:59:02] but I want to say right now,

[8:59:02] which other folks haven't

[8:59:03] talked about, is in 2021 there

[8:59:04] was a resettlement.

[8:59:08] Which is

[8:59:09] what I told him the planning

[8:59:09] commission hearing as well.

[8:59:12] They were brought over here, I

[8:59:13] am a veteran so they help those

[8:59:21] overseas.

[8:59:21] We try to resettle them over

[8:59:22] here.

[8:59:23] Housing prices so high like the

[8:59:23] gentleman side almost $1

[8:59:24] million so they cannot purchase

[8:59:27] a home in this area.

[8:59:28] Until these townhouses going

[8:59:30] in, they are more reasonable in

[8:59:32] price as opposed to

[8:59:34] single-family homes on this

[8:59:36] area and then there is bidding

[8:59:40] even though I don't believe in

[8:59:41] critical race theory but some

[8:59:42] of my friends are like that

[8:59:42] kinda sounds like it when you

[8:59:44] have single-family homeowners

[8:59:45] bidding on housing and you have

[8:59:47] low income folks that can't get

[8:59:50] in here in this area.

[8:59:51] One thing I will mention to you

[8:59:54] is these folks, like I said

[8:59:57] there are many folks you will

[8:59:59] see them on MARCH 29.

[9:00:07] Is it MARCH 29

[9:00:08] .

[9:00:08] There would be 10,000 folks

[9:00:09] every batch that will come in

[9:00:10] from almost 30,000 folks that

[9:00:10] will come in here.

[9:00:11] These are the same folks

[9:00:12] another expensive areas in the

[9:00:18] movement in this area.

[9:00:19] So you are actually providing a

[9:00:20] means for the people to stay

[9:00:20] here.

[9:00:20] Come election time I can

[9:00:21] guarantee these folks, I

[9:00:23] request you to come on that

[9:00:25] need and tell them that we

[9:00:32] approved it, but the housing

[9:00:33] happened and so you can move

[9:00:34] into the housing cheaper homes

[9:00:35] compared to the single-family

[9:00:36] million dollar homes and we can

[9:00:39] thank us for that.

[9:00:39] And I can guarantee you they

[9:00:42] will thank you for that.

[9:00:42] Thank you.

[9:00:44] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:00:44] thank you so very much.

[9:00:51] Next speaker, please.

[9:00:52] >> Public Speaker: hello

[9:00:54] everybody.

[9:01:02] I am not your average joe, but

[9:01:03] I am your average chris.

[9:01:03] My name is chris griffin.

[9:01:04] I am currently a coles

[9:01:06] resident.

[9:01:07] , 40+ year born and raised

[9:01:15] print will end county

[9:01:15] competent.

[9:01:16] My parents raised me, went to

[9:01:17] the school systems to show my

[9:01:17] age.

[9:01:18] I have a 22-year-old who still

[9:01:20] lives with us, which is fine.

[9:01:23] I was the first graduating

[9:01:23] class of forest park high

[9:01:26] school when it was brand-new.

[9:01:30] Go bruins.

[9:01:36] I grew up in montclair.

[9:01:37] About that thanks to live in

[9:01:38] most of the jurisdictions up

[9:01:38] there I want to thank the

[9:01:41] county supervisors

[9:01:41] , county

[9:01:42] attorney, and the county

[9:01:49] executive.

[9:01:51] I know you guys don't get

[9:01:52] recognition often so thank you.

[9:01:53] I passed by the horse farm for

[9:01:53] a long time.

[9:01:57] I took my wife there many

[9:01:58] times.

[9:01:58] Are small son.

[9:01:59] It was a great time.

[9:01:59] It's become a landmark for

[9:02:11] prince william county.

[9:02:11] But I want you to know.

[9:02:12] I can hear the title and some

[9:02:13] of the papers going something

[9:02:13] like this.

[9:02:14] County approves new rezoning

[9:02:14] opening

[9:02:15] for development but

[9:02:16] wait, there's more.

[9:02:18] New residents will get a

[9:02:20] courtesy cut through

[9:02:20] recommended for the police to

[9:02:23] direct for hundreds of traffic,

[9:02:24] but only on fridays.

[9:02:25] Hoa clubhouse signage

[9:02:25] .

[9:02:32] Comes with us on fridays and

[9:02:33] start traffic going past our

[9:02:33] white picket fences what we

[9:02:36] discussed dues and inspections.

[9:02:37] By improving the rezoning your

[9:02:37] opening pandora's box and

[9:02:40] arrive over making prints

[9:02:41] within county more unaffordable

[9:02:44] for middle-class constituents.

[9:02:45] A lot of people are not staying

[9:02:46] and retiring

[9:02:46] .

[9:02:49] I have the luxury of being able

[9:02:53] to work with a lot of people my

[9:02:54] small business, some even in

[9:02:58] the room has clients and old

[9:02:58] friends.

[9:02:59] It's a pitch.

[9:03:00] You need to understand your

[9:03:00] stats.

[9:03:02] Sources are saying there are 75

[9:03:11] undeveloped properties in

[9:03:12] prince william county.

[9:03:13] Thousand homes are currently

[9:03:13] for sale.

[9:03:14] There are approximately 1500

[9:03:15] homes available for rent the.

[9:03:16] I think we should focus on some

[9:03:21] of that and try to make those

[9:03:21] obtainable for existing

[9:03:22] residents and encouraging them

[9:03:22] to come in.

[9:03:23] Average new house cost is

[9:03:25] $600,000

[9:03:25] .

[9:03:26] We don't have an available home

[9:03:35] option for some.

[9:03:36] we don't have an availability,

[9:03:36] in available home option.

[9:03:37] We have an available

[9:03:38] affordability option at the

[9:03:39] cost of others in long-term

[9:03:39] residence.

[9:03:40] In regards to the young

[9:03:41] gentleman up

[9:03:46] here, 10 percent

[9:03:47] of his age are going to be able

[9:03:47] to afford of that magnitude on

[9:03:51] a single income.

[9:03:51] Since jr real estate comes from

[9:03:53] fairfax, prince william county

[9:04:04] is a land grab pick they are

[9:04:04] experts, but you need to

[9:04:05] understand everybody in the

[9:04:06] room, we are experts up in

[9:04:07] constituents and

[9:04:07] residents of

[9:04:08] prince william county.

[9:04:08] You need to listen to us.

[9:04:09] We are all here, it's late,

[9:04:10] some

[9:04:12] of us have work in the morning

[9:04:12] , some of us don't.

[9:04:13] Jr

[9:04:18] specializes in entitlement

[9:04:19] specializations include

[9:04:20] rezoning, encumbrance and plan

[9:04:23] amendments, special use permits

[9:04:24] and subdivision and site

[9:04:24] planning, by right

[9:04:24] entitlements,

[9:04:25] proffer amendments

[9:04:27] .

[9:04:28] Group acts as a bridge between

[9:04:31] landowners national builders

[9:04:32] taken the risk of entitlement

[9:04:39] procedures before selling and

[9:04:40] ready to build development.

[9:04:41] Who knows what's going to

[9:04:41] change once it goes through.

[9:04:42] Time and time again we have

[9:04:49] seen the estimated cost go

[9:04:51] higher and higher from what

[9:04:52] staff originally tells you what

[9:04:52] developers or buyers would tell

[9:04:53] you it's going to cost.

[9:04:53] We have seen that time and time

[9:04:55] again where you've been

[9:04:56] misinformed or you have been

[9:04:57] lied to.

[9:04:58] Whether on purpose or

[9:05:01] indirectly, I don't know

[9:05:01] .

[9:05:04] Let's find actual local prince

[9:05:07] william county groups

[9:05:08] developers to work for our own

[9:05:09] area and build our own area.

[9:05:13] Support local businesses to do

[9:05:14] the bidding for you.

[9:05:16] I enjoy being a long-term

[9:05:20] resident and I think because we

[9:05:24] all know the situation for the

[9:05:25] current course farm, there's a

[9:05:26] lot of smart people in the

[9:05:26] county.

[9:05:27] If it is something that is one

[9:05:32] to do, I think the county board

[9:05:33] and people in the area should

[9:05:34] come together and help the farm

[9:05:42] owner if they want to stay and

[9:05:42] allow her to stay and afford

[9:05:43] where she is at and take care

[9:05:44] of the horses rather than

[9:05:45] selling it to a community

[9:05:47] developer.

[9:05:47] Or find somebody who will buy

[9:05:50] it and keep it as a horse farm.

[9:05:50] This a lot of people involved

[9:05:52] in the county were smart and

[9:05:54] willing and able to do that

[9:05:54] .

[9:05:55] I know you can find somebody to

[9:05:59] do that rather than building

[9:05:59] and building and building

[9:06:02] piglets make things more

[9:06:02] affordable.

[9:06:04] I appreciate everyone's time.

[9:06:09] Thank you so much for being

[9:06:10] here and I hope we can come

[9:06:11] together now that we all know

[9:06:13] what's happening.

[9:06:14] It's a historic, I'm going to

[9:06:19] say historic landmark.

[9:06:20] And remember it as a kid.

[9:06:21] I loved it.

[9:06:21] Hate to see it

[9:06:21] go.

[9:06:22] i don't think people will be

[9:06:24] happy about watching traffic

[9:06:25] come through a new subdivision

[9:06:26] only on fridays

[9:06:28] .

[9:06:32] Thank you.

[9:06:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:06:37] next speaker, please.

[9:06:38] >> Public Speaker: good

[9:06:42] evening.

[9:06:45] I live in neabsco district.

[9:06:46] I've been living there for more

[9:06:51] than 15 years

[9:06:51] .

[9:06:52] We always think me and my wife

[9:06:53] and two beautiful kids always

[9:06:55] thinking to relocate to this

[9:07:03] area because we attend dar

[9:07:03] alnoor.

[9:07:04] We always bring kids here in

[9:07:05] prince william county to sport

[9:07:12] activity running and we always

[9:07:14] have a challenge finding the

[9:07:19] community center as well in the

[9:07:21] area.

[9:07:23] I can spend time with my kids

[9:07:30] doing sport activity.

[9:07:31] And also looking for affordable

[9:07:35] housing here and I am here

[9:07:42] tonight to support the

[9:07:43] department and I want to thank

[9:07:48] you as well.

[9:07:49] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:07:50] thank you so very much.

[9:07:54] Do we have anyone online

[9:07:54] .

[9:07:55] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[9:07:56] let's check and see.

[9:07:57] Do we have anyone online,

[9:07:57] chris?

[9:08:00] >> the one person we did have

[9:08:01] online has dropped out.

[9:08:03] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[9:08:05] okay.

[9:08:06] Incorporated you for your

[9:08:08] assistance.

[9:08:08] Have a good night.

[9:08:11] Back to you, MADAM Chair.

[9:08:13] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:08:18] thank you so very much.

[9:08:19] i'm going to close the public

[9:08:20] hearing for agenda items 13 b

[9:08:23] and sc

[9:08:24] .

[9:08:25] I would like the applicant and

[9:08:26] staff to be prepared to ask

[9:08:29] additional questions based off

[9:08:30] of what they heard and I do

[9:08:30] have a question for the

[9:08:31] applicant.

[9:08:44] If you can come up.

[9:08:45] We have heard doctor jack had

[9:08:46] asked for a courtesy review.

[9:08:47] I would also like to see one in

[9:08:47] medco.

[9:08:48] Is that something applicant is

[9:08:57] willing to do?

[9:08:57] >> yes.

[9:08:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:09:01] I guess this is for staff.

[9:09:01] We have been hearing a lot

[9:09:02] about identity.

[9:09:02] There was a mention

[9:09:03] for maple

[9:09:03] valley grove that was more

[9:09:03] suburban.

[9:09:04] When I think of identity I

[9:09:05] think of the mark of

[9:09:05] alexandria.

[9:09:06] That's a very dense, urban

[9:09:08] multifamily

[9:09:09] .

[9:09:10] What is the difference if you

[9:09:11] can say between suburban high

[9:09:12] density.

[9:09:13] How would you define the

[9:09:14] difference.

[9:09:20] >> can look at the

[9:09:20] comprehensive plan.

[9:09:21] E have

[9:09:22] six categories.

[9:09:24] The top is the one that can

[9:09:33] support the highest level of

[9:09:34] transit which is our

[9:09:35] high-capacity transit like our

[9:09:36] vre stations in the sixes 100+

[9:09:37] dwelling units per acre.

[9:09:41] The next category is 5 to 50

[9:09:47] and per bus rapid transit or

[9:09:50] some other kind of transit.

[9:09:54] and so at the transit service

[9:09:55] level goes down, the density

[9:09:57] goes down.

[9:09:59] We are talking about three,

[9:10:02] which is a suburban moderate

[9:10:08] density that doesn't need

[9:10:10] intense transit for service.

[9:10:14] It doesn't support with

[9:10:15] high-capacity transit.

[9:10:20] And so it is not high density

[9:10:21] .

[9:10:24] I would say hi density our

[9:10:26] transect five and six.

[9:10:27] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:10:28] supervisor boddye.

[9:10:30] >> Kenny Boddye: dave, don't go

[9:10:34] too far.

[9:10:35] There's been talk about the

[9:10:36] line of where it should

[9:10:36] start,

[9:10:37] where it shouldn't start, what

[9:10:41] tributaries and waterways it

[9:10:41] feeds to.

[9:10:43] There's a discussion about the

[9:10:43] body of water on the frontage

[9:10:51] of the horse farm right now.

[9:10:51] Could you talk about that and

[9:10:52] from a planners perspective

[9:10:53] where the lines are drawn what

[9:10:54] that means and larger

[9:10:54] perspective?

[9:11:01] >> first the comprehensive plan

[9:11:03] is a guide it.

[9:11:05] We would like to use a big fat

[9:11:07] crayon to draw those lines.

[9:11:10] Since we use a computer to draw

[9:11:11] them they end up being much

[9:11:14] more precise then we intend

[9:11:16] them to be.

[9:11:18] But generally the orpa line was

[9:11:21] following the watershed line we

[9:11:21] had mapped.

[9:11:23] We have that map

[9:11:25] for the whole county.

[9:11:27] Different watersheds and

[9:11:31] subwatersheds.

[9:11:34] Those were developed on usgs

[9:11:36] quad topo topography.

[9:11:44] Those are not super accurate

[9:11:45] and we always want those things

[9:11:47] to be field verified at the

[9:11:48] site plan when they come down

[9:11:48] to it.

[9:11:49] Where the real line is for the

[9:11:51] watershed really needs to be

[9:11:53] determined at a later date.

[9:11:57] That's why I say we use a big

[9:12:04] crayon and we use it as a guide

[9:12:05] and not as a precise

[9:12:05] measurement is not the best way

[9:12:06] to use it.

[9:12:08] >> Kenny Boddye: thank you for

[9:12:13] that did the applicant want to

[9:12:15] add anything to that piece

[9:12:15] based on their own findings?

[9:12:16] Hey were looking at the site

[9:12:16] and

[9:12:19] analysis.

[9:12:21] >> yes.

[9:12:22] So the applicant actually

[9:12:25] looked at the county map and

[9:12:31] looked at what dcr has on their

[9:12:32] map and ultimately it would be

[9:12:48] field verified.

[9:12:49] To the left is prince william

[9:12:51] county watershed map onto the

[9:12:55] right is the dcr a watershed

[9:13:00] map so this is the amount

[9:13:01] .

[9:13:02] There this a more updated and

[9:13:04] accurate then prince william

[9:13:06] county mapper

[9:13:07] .

[9:13:09] If you look at the map, it goes

[9:13:15] like this

[9:13:16] .

[9:13:17] It was hard to see so what we

[9:13:17] did was we mapped it ourselves

[9:13:19] using the county percentage

[9:13:20] .

[9:13:26] And so county mapper has 10

[9:13:29] acres going to neabsco creek.

[9:13:33] The dcr malpass 12 acres going

[9:13:36] to the neabsco creek.

[9:13:37] Our environmental consultant

[9:13:40] that the review of what would

[9:13:42] be required at the sign of site

[9:13:45] plan and determine is probably

[9:13:50] 2 to 3 percent more going to

[9:13:51] neabsco that would be verified

[9:13:52] at the time a site plan and

[9:13:53] submitted to the county for

[9:13:58] review.

[9:13:59] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:14:01] supervisor vega?

[9:14:10] >> Yesli Vega: follow-up for

[9:14:10] dave.

[9:14:11] Winded that county discovered

[9:14:12] these lines aren't, and they

[9:14:17] quote, super accurate?

[9:14:18] >> I don't know what you mean

[9:14:20] by discovered.

[9:14:21] >> Yesli Vega: this is the

[9:14:22] first time I've heard about

[9:14:23] this.

[9:14:26] >> the applicant brought that

[9:14:31] to our attention last week.

[9:14:32] >> Yesli Vega: the applicant

[9:14:33] brought it to her attention

[9:14:37] last week and now the position

[9:14:38] is lines are not super

[9:14:39] accurate?

[9:14:45] Got it.

[9:14:52] I have a question for jonelle.

[9:14:53] When did the commercial

[9:14:53] component get added in the

[9:15:00] process?

[9:15:05] >> I believe it was the third

[9:15:06] submission.

[9:15:07] >> Yesli Vega: it was that

[9:15:08] before or after the request and

[9:15:08] what was the reason for it

[9:15:10] again?

[9:15:14] >> the zoning ordinances when

[9:15:15] you have a pmr over 50 acres

[9:15:19] you have to provide an area of

[9:15:21] nonresidential

[9:15:21] .

[9:15:24] With the commercial area in the

[9:15:30] pmr district

[9:15:32] , the only area

[9:15:33] permitted is b3.

[9:15:34] We understand the encumbrance

[9:15:41] of blame when we look at zoning

[9:15:42] designations they have it is

[9:15:42] implementing.

[9:15:43] The pmr district the

[9:15:44] implementing commercial is b3

[9:15:45] and thus the least intense

[9:15:46] commercial use.

[9:15:49] but we do commit to doing is

[9:15:52] the area is specifically says

[9:15:53] the use, the residential

[9:15:53] , the

[9:15:58] home should remain as a

[9:16:00] residential use

[9:16:04] .

[9:16:04] This remains as a residential

[9:16:08] use and this is the b3 areas of

[9:16:09] the lost creek folks have the

[9:16:13] residential use remains in me

[9:16:14] of the buffers and undisturbed

[9:16:19] open space area.

[9:16:20] >> Yesli Vega: you are saying

[9:16:23] it is a need to?

[9:16:24] I don't know dave if you want

[9:16:30] to come up.

[9:16:31] I'm struggling with this

[9:16:32] because the staff report

[9:16:33] highlights the addition of

[9:16:34] commercial use is incompatible

[9:16:37] with the designation.

[9:16:37] We don't know what type of

[9:16:41] commercial development has

[9:16:42] come.

[9:16:42] We have been given a list of

[9:16:50] potentials, but it adds to the

[9:16:51] discussion of what is going to

[9:16:54] be thrown into the reservoir.

[9:16:56] So I am a little confused.

[9:16:58] Can you help clarify my

[9:17:04] confusion?

[9:17:08] >> some of that area is being

[9:17:10] changed to mu3 but some of that

[9:17:13] area was not in the initiated

[9:17:15] comprehensive plan amendment

[9:17:15] .

[9:17:25] That is why it doesn't reflect

[9:17:26] the orpa.

[9:17:26] It's not going to be changed by

[9:17:27] the comprehensive plan

[9:17:28] amendment because it wasn't

[9:17:33] included in the original

[9:17:34] property boundary we use to

[9:17:35] initiate the comprehensive plan

[9:17:38] amendment and we can't change

[9:17:38] what was initiated.

[9:17:40] Therefore

[9:17:42] that remains a orpa and

[9:17:48] therefore cobra analyzed it as

[9:17:51] if it was still orpa.

[9:17:59] >> Yesli Vega: talking about

[9:18:00] the and faxed to school,

[9:18:01] hounded we calculate the

[9:18:02] monetary contributions?

[9:18:06] What formula

[9:18:06] .

[9:18:08] How did we land 490 SEPTEMBER

[9:18:15] 06, 2020 I believe?

[9:18:16] >> as part of the application

[9:18:17] you have to do a proper impact

[9:18:17] analysis

[9:18:19] .

[9:18:24] The state code says you can

[9:18:25] only mitigate your inbox via

[9:18:26] monetary contributions for

[9:18:31] schools, fire and rescue

[9:18:32] ,

[9:18:32] police, parks and recreation.

[9:18:33] It also says if there is not a

[9:18:36] plan in the cip to address the

[9:18:39] lack of something so if there's

[9:18:40] not a plan to address the lack

[9:18:45] of schools or new school coming

[9:18:46] online you don't mitigate your

[9:18:47] impacts

[9:18:47] .

[9:18:51] That is basically see one

[9:18:52] ticket then says he can look

[9:18:53] and offer what the developer

[9:18:54] sees as reasonable.

[9:18:56] Where to

[9:19:02] company that does the proper

[9:19:02] impact analysis.

[9:19:03] They look at the number of

[9:19:19] schools and they do their

[9:19:20] calculation in order to tell us

[9:19:21] what is a reasonable amount for

[9:19:22] the monetary level of service

[9:19:23] and that's how we came up with

[9:19:23] that number.

[9:19:24] >> Yesli Vega: I'm not going to

[9:19:25] ding the applicant for that

[9:19:26] because I don't think it's

[9:19:27] appropriate but it is in their

[9:19:29] fine example of poor planning

[9:19:29] and moving projects without

[9:19:30] addressing underlying issues.

[9:19:31] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:19:32] does anyone else have any

[9:19:32] additional questions?

[9:19:34] Thank you so much.

[9:19:34] With that, supervisor boddye.

[9:19:37] >> Kenny Boddye: it is my

[9:19:37] understanding that some folks

[9:19:41] MAY feel differently and so I'm

[9:19:42] going to do them separately of

[9:19:52] folks don't mind.

[9:19:53] I move 13 b for approval.

[9:19:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:19:54] all right.

[9:19:55] It has been properly moved and

[9:19:55] seconded.

[9:19:56] Any discussion on this?

[9:19:57] Upervisor vega?

[9:19:58] >> Yesli Vega: since you

[9:20:00] offered, why not.

[9:20:00] Why not.

[9:20:04] Here we are again.

[9:20:05] The door has been opened and

[9:20:06] it's not going to be closed and

[9:20:07] I want you to remember this for

[9:20:11] those who are pro and against.

[9:20:12] This is the standard being set

[9:20:13] by the majority who decides to

[9:20:16] vote for this project.

[9:20:16] For the cpa initiation.

[9:20:23] I will reserve my comments for

[9:20:24] the rezoning that is about to

[9:20:25] follow.

[9:20:26] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:20:27] does anyone else have any

[9:20:27] comments?

[9:20:27] All right.

[9:20:28] I would like to call for the

[9:20:31] vote.

[9:20:46] >> thank you supervisor angry.

[9:20:47] >> motion passes 6/2

[9:20:48] supervisors gordy and vega

[9:20:48] voting no.

[9:20:50] >> Kenny Boddye: if you don't

[9:20:52] mind I also move 13c for

[9:20:52] approval.

[9:20:53] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:20:58] 13c has been moved and

[9:20:59] seconded.

[9:20:59] I see supervisor boddye, you

[9:21:00] are first.

[9:21:04] >> Kenny Boddye: one, wanted to

[9:21:05] thank all the residents who

[9:21:05] came out tonight.

[9:21:08] I know it has been a long

[9:21:08] night.

[9:21:09] It is now morning.

[9:21:10] Welcome the wednesday morning

[9:21:12] everyone.

[9:21:13] Want to think staff of the work

[9:21:14] they have done this.

[9:21:17] I know we have gone through a

[9:21:18] long journey with this.

[9:21:20] As was said before

[9:21:20] , you went

[9:21:21] and did the work anyone above

[9:21:25] and beyond the applicant.

[9:21:26] Iterated to, he went to the

[9:21:30] community, you came back.

[9:21:31] From where is started and where

[9:21:32] we are now, and a 35 percent

[9:21:40] reduction from your first

[9:21:41] submission.

[9:21:42] Not only did you lower the unit

[9:21:43] themselves, he lowered the

[9:21:44] intensity of their multifamily

[9:21:44] units, you have a lot of

[9:21:49] denser units and now we are at

[9:21:49] a much more suburban type

[9:21:53] development that keeps a lot

[9:21:54] more with the community asked

[9:21:55] for.

[9:21:58] I also wanted to commend you

[9:21:59] for offering at various times

[9:22:00] trying to figure out ways to

[9:22:02] mitigate other issues you had

[9:22:04] no control over and you didn't

[9:22:07] necessarily have a play into.

[9:22:07] You have that initial

[9:22:08] connection that wanted to give

[9:22:09] them another way to get out and

[9:22:13] turn left without having to sit

[9:22:16] there that they're one way in

[9:22:18] and out.

[9:22:18] I know that we had a joint

[9:22:20] community event with them

[9:22:20] , they

[9:22:22] rejected that and so you moved

[9:22:24] on from that

[9:22:24] .

[9:22:32] I wanted to thank the community

[9:22:33] continuing to meet with me in

[9:22:34] my office.

[9:22:35] we had quite a few different

[9:22:35] meetings around the proposal

[9:22:43] and we heard you.

[9:22:44] I do not see this as a death of

[9:22:45] a thousand cuts as has been

[9:22:45] remarked.

[9:22:46] I see this is a bridge linking

[9:22:47] existing residential religious

[9:22:48] uses to major employment center

[9:22:49] in the government complex.

[9:22:51] Infill protects more land, not

[9:22:56] less.

[9:22:57] Wanted to talk about traffic.

[9:22:58] What is different here.

[9:22:59] There significantly more

[9:23:00] contributions for the project

[9:23:02] and the other one

[9:23:03] .

[9:23:04] If you talk about this

[9:23:11] holistically, I agree with you

[9:23:11] these two projects link

[9:23:12] together.

[9:23:13] There are interpersonal

[9:23:14] connections and roadway network

[9:23:14] which we get the folks another

[9:23:16] way out other than galveston

[9:23:16] court.

[9:23:21] Those things fit together.

[9:23:21] Folks will be able to in talks

[9:23:22] with both applicants there will

[9:23:24] be conversations about joint

[9:23:25] use agreement so this will not

[9:23:30] be just one isolated community.

[9:23:31] This will be enlisted

[9:23:31] community.

[9:23:32] I pushed so hard

[9:23:32] to make sure the projects came

[9:23:37] in on the same night.

[9:23:38] I know and appreciate the

[9:23:38] constituent who shared her

[9:23:39] story about not being able to

[9:23:40] get home pick a number of us on

[9:23:43] the board sit on the on the

[9:23:43] right commission.

[9:23:44] That's the type of feedback we

[9:23:53] need because no one should take

[9:23:53] a bus and have an omni ride bus

[9:23:54] to take them back home so that

[9:23:55] is feedback we can use and it

[9:23:56] underscores the fact there's a

[9:23:57] lot more work we need to do

[9:23:58] around making sure our internal

[9:23:58] traffic network as it pertains

[9:24:02] to transit is better

[9:24:02] .

[9:24:03] You should be able to ride to

[9:24:08] work the ride back and so I

[9:24:11] hear you and appreciate that.

[9:24:12] I also wanted to hone in on the

[9:24:15] water quality for a second

[9:24:20] .

[9:24:21] Folks are right protecting the

[9:24:21] occoquan reservoir is not an

[9:24:22] option.

[9:24:25] The guidance exists there when

[9:24:26] the case matters is the

[9:24:27] rezoning includes protection

[9:24:28] that currently does not exist

[9:24:29] under the current zoning

[9:24:35] ordinance.

[9:24:36] We are still working to get

[9:24:36] there.

[9:24:37] We have at meetings around it,

[9:24:38] we'd meetings around updating

[9:24:39] the zoning ordinance to meet

[9:24:40] the need for the moment,

[9:24:42] however, there are things I

[9:24:43] wanted to highlight that meet

[9:24:45] the moment.

[9:24:45] Well testing.

[9:24:46] I've heard a lot about folks on

[9:24:47] the wells

[9:24:47] .

[9:24:50] The folks to the west and the

[9:24:51] folks to the north.

[9:25:02] I hear you on wells in the

[9:25:02] applicant has committed to well

[9:25:03] testing.

[9:25:03] Baseline afterwards to make

[9:25:04] sure they are not adversely

[9:25:05] impacting peoples wells.

[9:25:06] If there's any indication they

[9:25:06] are they will make people hold.

[9:25:09] That is in their

[9:25:09] .

[9:25:10] High-performance storm water

[9:25:11] management, jellyfish

[9:25:16] filtration.

[9:25:17] Works.

[9:25:17] Low impact development are.

[9:25:22] they are not buying credit

[9:25:22] somewhere else to offset the

[9:25:23] fact they are polluting the

[9:25:24] water there.

[9:25:24] They are doing the right thing

[9:25:25] there.

[9:25:30] Last thing they will say is I

[9:25:30] hear only you that pertains to

[9:25:34] the change this represents I'm

[9:25:37] not dismissing anyone's input.

[9:25:37] We've been applying it to the

[9:25:50] last two years

[9:25:51] .

[9:25:51] This record shows the plan is

[9:25:52] changed to because residents

[9:25:53] showed up.

[9:25:53] Fewer units, less intense

[9:25:54] buildings increase protections

[9:25:56] unenforceable proffers pick my

[9:25:57] job is to weigh the full public

[9:25:58] interest, neighborhood impacts

[9:25:58] on water quality, the county

[9:25:59] long-term plan were jobs and

[9:26:02] services are growing.

[9:26:02] This connects to a larger

[9:26:03] picture on what the county

[9:26:04] center will be in

[9:26:04] the next 20

[9:26:04] years.

[9:26:05] Ll the other

[9:26:11] proposals that have, crossed to

[9:26:12] put density elsewhere and

[9:26:13] outward we brought them here to

[9:26:14] this part of it so you don't

[9:26:16] have it further out

[9:26:16] .

[9:26:23] Thank you MADAM Chair.

[9:26:24] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:26:25] supervisor vega?

[9:26:26] >> Yesli Vega: thank you to

[9:26:35] everyone who showed up.

[9:26:35] We often get put in between a

[9:26:36] rock and hard place when

[9:26:37] developers come to

[9:26:37] the office we

[9:26:38] talk about projects having to

[9:26:39] make financial sense.

[9:26:40] We don't know the breakdown of

[9:26:43] the details of their financial

[9:26:45] so we take their word for it.

[9:26:49] as a county supervisor, my job

[9:26:51] is to make sure my constituents

[9:26:54] interests are represented in

[9:26:55] the land use application that

[9:26:56] comes before my desk.

[9:26:58] Why do I highlight that?

[9:26:58] It's very important.

[9:26:59] While they understand

[9:27:02] developers need to make money,

[9:27:11] you should not put a price on

[9:27:12] something as basic as a human

[9:27:13] right when it comes to having

[9:27:13] access to clean water.

[9:27:14] No amount of credits, no amount

[9:27:15] of proffers can guarantee that

[9:27:16] get in that.

[9:27:20] It is frustrating when we have

[9:27:21] applications come before the

[9:27:22] board be presented to the

[9:27:23] community that can be better

[9:27:29] that the district supervisor

[9:27:30] can work harder to improve and

[9:27:31] that is the most frustrating

[9:27:32] part about this entire process

[9:27:33] is our job is elected officials

[9:27:34] is to meet the applications

[9:27:44] better to buy bringing your

[9:27:45] concerns to the discussion

[9:27:45] table this a lot about the

[9:27:46] project I like.

[9:27:47] I like the different types a

[9:27:48] housing, like the product type.

[9:27:52] But at the end of the day how

[9:27:53] do we solve the overcrowding

[9:27:54] issue and issues with traffic

[9:27:57] how do we resolve the issues of

[9:27:58] adding additional strains to

[9:27:59] our public services

[9:27:59] .

[9:28:03] It comes down to the density.

[9:28:05] Is never the willingness to

[9:28:11] meet in the middle because

[9:28:12] there is always that we had to

[9:28:13] make money, and asked to make

[9:28:14] financial sense and we as a

[9:28:17] board have to figure that out

[9:28:17] .

[9:28:18] It is my opinion that the

[9:28:20] community should not be forced

[9:28:22] into an either or scenario

[9:28:26] between housing and clean water

[9:28:27] we talk about trying to solve

[9:28:29] one problem by creating so many

[9:28:30] more in this is a reality we

[9:28:37] faced for a long time and in

[9:28:38] many ways it's ridiculous I

[9:28:39] have to keep saying the fact

[9:28:40] folks are not opposed to

[9:28:40] growth.

[9:28:42] We have the second largest

[9:28:43] county in the, will the

[9:28:45] virginia.

[9:28:47] Is a reason people want to come

[9:28:52] and we can tackle the

[9:28:53] affordable housing crisis, we

[9:28:54] can tackle that overcrowding,

[9:28:55] we can tackle the crumbling

[9:28:56] infrastructure if we are

[9:29:01] serious about doing it.

[9:29:02] This is going to pass but the

[9:29:03] simple promise to you all.

[9:29:03] 'm

[9:29:12] going to continue to be a hawk

[9:29:13] when it comes to sustainability

[9:29:14] measures, when it comes to

[9:29:15] talks about the environment and

[9:29:16] how we put additional

[9:29:17] protections because we can't

[9:29:18] have it both ways pick we

[9:29:18] cannot continue to speak out of

[9:29:19] both sides of our mall and we

[9:29:20] care about the environment in

[9:29:20] its entirety or we don't.

[9:29:22] Or we don't

[9:29:22] .

[9:29:24] It is that simple.

[9:29:36] It is that simple.

[9:29:37] I think the applicant for

[9:29:38] meeting with me, but this cake

[9:29:39] was already baked because I

[9:29:40] asked about density and asked

[9:29:41] if we could talk about that and

[9:29:42] the answer was no because the

[9:29:42] district supervisor had already

[9:29:43] brought into what the district

[9:29:44] supervisor brought to me.

[9:29:45] We had to be serious about

[9:29:46] negotiate to make projects

[9:29:46] better.

[9:29:49] I believe in poverty rates in

[9:29:50] my heart breaks for the

[9:29:50] landowners to give every right

[9:29:51] to sell your property but it's

[9:29:53] my job to ensure I look at

[9:29:55] things holistically, while you

[9:29:56] are going to sell your property

[9:30:02] and probably move out of the

[9:30:03] area, of debate attention to

[9:30:03] those of us who remain here and

[9:30:04] for those who are to follow so

[9:30:05] I will be voting no for those

[9:30:08] reasons.

[9:30:09] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:30:10] thank you.

[9:30:10] Supervisor boddye.

[9:30:11] >> Kenny Boddye: not going to

[9:30:16] go back and forth for as it

[9:30:17] pertains to the motion itself

[9:30:18] there was a courtesy review

[9:30:18] requested.

[9:30:19] I want to make sure county

[9:30:20] staff updated the proffers.

[9:30:21] >> the proffers have been

[9:30:29] updated to include the courtesy

[9:30:29] review.

[9:30:30] >> Kenny Boddye: I want to

[9:30:31] restate my motion to be

[9:30:31] proffers dated

[9:30:32] 12/17/2025.

[9:30:33] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:30:38] do I need a second since we are

[9:30:38] updated it?

[9:30:40] Properly moved and seconded.

[9:30:41] Is there any further

[9:30:42] discussion?

[9:30:44] Upervisor bailey

[9:30:44] .

[9:30:45] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair: I

[9:30:45] will be brief.

[9:30:57] I wanted to thank the citizens

[9:30:58] who came out and spoke on

[9:30:58] behalf -- lend their voice to

[9:30:59] how I feel about this.

[9:31:00] I totally agree you are

[9:31:01] entitled to good clean water,

[9:31:02] but all are entitled to have

[9:31:03] sheltered to have good homes to

[9:31:08] live in.

[9:31:08] And obtainable housing to live

[9:31:09] in.

[9:31:09] verybody in prince

[9:31:11] william county and that's what

[9:31:12] we are focused on to make sure

[9:31:16] everybody who lives here wants

[9:31:17] to be or can raise their

[9:31:20] families here and could afford

[9:31:21] to live here and have a decent

[9:31:21] life

[9:31:26] .

[9:31:27] That is something nationally

[9:31:28] everyone is suffering from.

[9:31:31] How do we do that?

[9:31:32] We do that by making sure the

[9:31:36] comprehensive plan is holistic

[9:31:36] ,

[9:31:41] totally holistic as we grow and

[9:31:42] we have no control on how we

[9:31:44] grow.

[9:31:45] We've been growing a long time

[9:31:50] under old rules and old housing

[9:31:50] and so we need affordable

[9:31:51] housing, obtainable housing.

[9:31:56] Not just section 8 housing.

[9:31:57] We need housing.

[9:32:02] I commend the developer for

[9:32:03] working with the staff to make

[9:32:04] sure there's a little bit in

[9:32:06] the pot for everybody.

[9:32:08] Thank you so much for your

[9:32:12] ability to think brought her.

[9:32:13] We respect that and appreciate

[9:32:14] that.

[9:32:17] We don't always agree, but we

[9:32:20] come to the center as much as

[9:32:21] we can for everybody and that's

[9:32:23] essential.

[9:32:23] So thank you to the citizens

[9:32:30] for coming out on speaking, but

[9:32:31] you're right is also deaf

[9:32:31] shelter.

[9:32:32] Thank you MADAM Chair.

[9:32:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:32:37] all right.

[9:32:38] Is there anyone else?

[9:32:38] All right then.

[9:32:39] Let's go ahead.

[9:32:39] I would like to take the vote.

[9:32:41] >> Victor Angry: yes.

[9:32:48] >> thank you, sir.

[9:32:48] Motion passes 7/1 supervisor

[9:32:50] vega voting no.

[9:32:56] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:32:56] thank you so very much.

[9:32:57] Just so everyone knows we are

[9:32:58] going to go into public comment

[9:33:01] time.

[9:33:01] After we do public comment time

[9:33:02] we still have an item we have

[9:33:03] to discuss in session.

[9:33:07] After that we will come out and

[9:33:07] certify and at that time we can

[9:33:11] adjourn.

[9:33:12] If anyone is a betting person,

[9:33:15] I am saying to weigh in.

[9:33:19] Public comment time.

[9:33:21] All right.

[9:33:23] I'm going to let people file

[9:33:30] out.

[9:33:33] Goodbye alex.

[9:33:35] All of you.

[9:34:16] We know you.

[9:34:17] All right everyone.

[9:34:17] E have

[9:34:20] two people signed up in person.

[9:34:23] MR. Clancy and eileen johnson.

[9:34:26] We haven't seen you in a long

[9:34:29] time.

[9:34:33] All right.

[9:34:34] >> Public Speaker: are we

[9:34:36] ready?

[9:34:48] MADAM CHAIRMAN?

[9:34:48] Okay.

[9:34:49] Have a couple things I want to

[9:34:50] bring up and citizens time.

[9:34:51] First of all, I brought this up

[9:34:52] before but I keep on until I

[9:34:53] hear something positive about

[9:34:55] it.

[9:34:56] We need a county policy what we

[9:34:57] are going to do with school

[9:34:58] board property when it is

[9:34:59] turned back from the developer

[9:35:00] by the school system.

[9:35:03] I have proposed before the

[9:35:06] policy should be the priority

[9:35:08] should be community gardens

[9:35:08] .

[9:35:10] We have a shortage of places

[9:35:14] where people can increase the

[9:35:20] densities all over the place.

[9:35:20] this idea of the county getting

[9:35:24] involved using taxpayer money

[9:35:28] repair foundation the

[9:35:33] geotechnical work was not done

[9:35:35] is absurd.

[9:35:38] That is what second mortgages

[9:35:40] are for.

[9:35:41] Going to be hard on this thing

[9:35:42] if you decide you want to use

[9:35:43] the tax money to fix somebody's

[9:35:49] foundation.

[9:35:54] Three, required data centers in

[9:35:56] the development standards form

[9:35:57] to use geothermal cooling.

[9:36:06] If

[9:36:07] we make them do geothermal

[9:36:08] cooling it will stop using our

[9:36:09] public water supply to cool the

[9:36:09] things and send it down the

[9:36:11] road to be retreated in sewage

[9:36:17] treatment plant.

[9:36:18] My last one is I will bring

[9:36:22] this up again.

[9:36:22] We need a county ordinance for

[9:36:26] noise on vehicles because these

[9:36:27] guys are running around

[9:36:39] demonstrating

[9:36:39] .

[9:36:40] You can hear them six blocks

[9:36:41] away with the noise they make.

[9:36:42] Mongomery county has put noise

[9:36:43] monitors and the issue tickets

[9:36:44] to people for doing that kind

[9:36:44] of stuff.

[9:36:48] And you have the

[9:36:48] authority to do it down here

[9:36:49] and we can do something about

[9:36:50] the disturbance in the

[9:36:51] neighborhoods and thank you

[9:36:55] very much for taking a moment

[9:36:55] to listen to this.

[9:36:56] GOD bless you all, merry

[9:36:56] christmas

[9:36:57] .

[9:36:58] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:36:58] thank you so much.

[9:37:09] Next speaker, please.

[9:37:11] >> Public Speaker: hello.

[9:37:16] How are you?

[9:37:17] You didn't respond back.

[9:37:17] how are you.

[9:37:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:37:19] we are wonderful.

[9:37:21] We can barely hear you.

[9:37:23] >> Public Speaker: I'm getting

[9:37:25] rusty.

[9:37:27] Is that better?

[9:37:29] Good to be back.

[9:37:31] Good morning.

[9:37:32] My name is I in johnson then I

[9:37:35] am from the woodbridge

[9:37:36] district.

[9:37:37] This morning I stand before you

[9:37:40] as a wife and mother and

[9:37:41] relentless advocate for foster

[9:37:42] families and foster children in

[9:37:45] prince william county.

[9:37:46] For 33 months you've heard this

[9:37:46] before but I will keep

[9:37:50] repeating it.

[9:37:50] In 28 days we had the honor of

[9:37:52] loving a child affectionately

[9:37:52] known as bumpy.

[9:37:53] Bumpy was not just a child in

[9:37:56] our care, bumpy was family.

[9:37:57] A sweet little boy.

[9:37:57] E was

[9:37:59] deeply loved

[9:38:00] , cherished with

[9:38:01] everyday and help close in our

[9:38:07] hearts.

[9:38:07] My husband as well as my

[9:38:08] children and I was pregnant

[9:38:12] twice while advocating.

[9:38:13] What happened to my family was

[9:38:14] absolutely horrible.

[9:38:14] Instead of support we faced

[9:38:15] retaliation.

[9:38:19] We were left at outside the

[9:38:20] courtroom by dss workers, yes

[9:38:20] we were.

[9:38:25] Someone reached out to me and

[9:38:26] took bumpy from me and laughed.

[9:38:27] Dss workers, this was under

[9:38:30] your watch MR. Shorter.

[9:38:31] We were mocked accused of

[9:38:31] becoming foster parents just

[9:38:32] for money.

[9:38:35] My family actually lost about

[9:38:36] $30,000 to date advocating for

[9:38:42] bumpy but we did it for money.

[9:38:43] MR. Shorter, to this day those

[9:38:44] accusations remain uncorrected.

[9:38:44] The prince william county

[9:38:45] department of social services

[9:38:55] even went out of their way

[9:38:56] , I

[9:38:57] promise you, after I spoke

[9:38:57] initially at public comment.

[9:38:58] I don't know if I have said

[9:38:59] this before, to make sure we

[9:39:00] were no longer allowed to be

[9:39:01] foster parents.

[9:39:01] He of the pageantry of having

[9:39:02] dss workers posted up online

[9:39:03] saying how much you care about

[9:39:04] foster families, but when I

[9:39:10] spoke at public comment my

[9:39:11] family was no longer allowed to

[9:39:12] be foster parents.

[9:39:12] Today I heard the board talk

[9:39:13] about programs to support

[9:39:15] families and children

[9:39:15] , but what

[9:39:16] good of the programs when the

[9:39:18] system punishes families like

[9:39:19] my own and don't protect the

[9:39:22] foster children.

[9:39:23] What good of the programs when

[9:39:24] families are silenced for

[9:39:25] speaking out.

[9:39:26] And will continue to speak, MR.

[9:39:28] Shorter, I told you that.

[9:39:31] Our lives, our fight is not in

[9:39:34] vain.

[9:39:34] It is not in vain when I helped

[9:39:35] take bumpy in the night when he

[9:39:40] cried to.

[9:39:41] It was not in vain when we make

[9:39:42] sure bumpy had close on his

[9:39:43] back, food on the table and

[9:39:44] support in school.

[9:39:44] It was not in vain when I

[9:39:46] gained legal knowledge skills I

[9:39:49] never had before but needed and

[9:39:52] use now to protect my family.

[9:39:53] It is not in vain when I

[9:39:56] navigate for a 504 plan and an

[9:39:57] iep when I've advocate for my

[9:40:03] children MAY speak with parents

[9:40:04] about autism and what it truly

[9:40:05] means.

[9:40:06] First corinthians 1558.

[9:40:09] Therefore my blood brethren and

[9:40:14] sisters, be steadfast and

[9:40:15] immovable, always abounding in

[9:40:16] the work of the lord knowing

[9:40:17] that your labor of love is not

[9:40:19] in vain.

[9:40:20] I stand here today steadfast,

[9:40:20] unmovable.

[9:40:21] What is it morning?

[9:40:25] Did fast and unmovable.

[9:40:26] Knowing my labor of love for

[9:40:31] bumpy was not in vain.

[9:40:32] MR. Shorter, I have said this

[9:40:33] to you for nearly 3 years to

[9:40:34] hold you accountable for what

[9:40:37] was done to my family.

[9:40:38] This is not about policy, this

[9:40:39] is about transparency, dignity

[9:40:40] and children who deserve

[9:40:46] better.

[9:40:47] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:40:47] thank you.

[9:40:48] Do we have anyone available

[9:40:49] online?

[9:40:49] There is no one online.

[9:40:50] What we are going to do, we are

[9:41:43] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:41:55] get the votes up.

[9:41:56] >> supervisor vega?

[9:42:00] >> Yesli Vega: yes.

[9:42:00] >> thank you.

[9:42:02] Vote unanimous supervisor angry

[9:42:04] absent from vote.

[9:42:06] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:42:09] we have a resolution.

[9:42:09] Hold on.

[9:42:16] I kindly ask we refrain from

[9:42:17] sidebar conversation so we can

[9:42:17] get out of here.

[9:42:18] Supervisor gordy.

[9:42:19] >> Tom Gordy: I would like to

[9:42:24] move that the county executive

[9:42:25] send a letter on behalf of the

[9:42:26] board of county supervisors to

[9:42:27] met dominion in the state

[9:42:29] corporation commission stating

[9:42:30] that the board of county

[9:42:31] supervisors is concerned with

[9:42:32] all proposed lines of the

[9:42:35] nokesville to bristow

[9:42:35] , want to

[9:42:37] be call it in this

[9:42:39] .

[9:42:42] Project.

[9:42:42] Sharing concern to the

[9:42:43] constituents impacted by the

[9:42:49] proposed route and encourage

[9:42:49] dominion in the state

[9:42:50] corporation commission to

[9:42:51] underground the lines and for

[9:42:52] the county attorney to assist

[9:42:53] with the review of the letter.

[9:42:54] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:42:59] second.

[9:42:59] I will take the second.

[9:43:00] Any additional discussion?

[9:43:05] If not let's go ahead.

[9:43:12] --

[9:43:13] >> vote unanimous.

[9:43:14] >> Andrea Bailey, Vice Chair:

[9:43:14] moved to adjourn.

[9:43:18] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:43:18] second.

[9:43:19] There is already a motion for

[9:43:20] adjournment and it has been

[9:43:30] properly seconded.

[9:43:33] >> supervisor gordy?

[9:43:35] Thank you.

[9:43:36] Vote unanimous.

[9:43:37] >> Deshundra Jefferson, Mayor:

[9:43:37] thank you.

[9:43:40] This is our last meeting of the

[9:43:42] year.

[9:43:42] Happy holidays all.

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