[0:01] And I see someone's hand. I don't know who it is.

[0:11] I've got two more emails on the way here.

[0:13] » Mhm.

[0:18] » [clears throat]

[1:22] » Yeah, I I can do that.

[1:44] » You move over here if you want. >> Do you want me to?

[1:47] » So you're not so far away.

[1:55] » Oh, wait. He's not here, either.

[1:58] » Yeah. You know what?

[1:59] » supposed to be here. >> She'll be here. [clears throat]

[2:07] I did yeah. What time? Cuz I Scott and Mary's

[2:12] He's dangerous. Okay, thanks Al.

[2:19] Some days I'm home at that time. Usually once or twice a week.

[2:22] » You're usually early. >> I work a late shift once a week and a

[2:25] half. Friday Friday's are my day off.

[2:29] » It's fine. What's your feeling that every week?

[2:31] » Yeah, we get uh >> Yeah, you know I was thinking that this

[2:35] would like squat down and I could never

[2:38] » You got a gal with three poodles golden doodles that go

[2:41] on the street sometimes. >> She got golden doodles.

[2:45] » I >> If you don't own this psychic reading

[2:48] psychic guy I think it's

[2:52] It's first south and first worst I think or worst center

[2:56] street. Two golden retrievers. He never put them

[3:00] on a leash and he they just stay with them and they he they wouldn't go

[3:03] running across to our dogs. They're in my in one of the three homes.

[3:10] And we >> Okay.

[3:14] » dogs and you know

[3:17] They're always puppies too. >> Okay.

[3:20] Um a little after 6:00. Apologize for being just a moment late. Uh I'm

[3:25] Kathleen Alder. I'm the mayor of Providence and welcome

[3:29] to the Wednesday, June 17th 2026 meeting.

[3:35] Um We appreciate all of you being here. We

[3:39] always like participation. Um

[3:42] so we'll go ahead and get started

[3:47] with a roll call. We have Scott Campbell.

[3:51] Janelle Seeley. >> I'm

[3:54] I'm Finch.

[3:58] David Coons, and Brent Speth is on Zoom.

[4:03] Carrie Kirk is excused tonight. She's in Africa.

[4:08] So, I said, "Are you sure you're going to be

[4:10] safe there?" And she said, "I think so." So,

[4:14] let's hope that there she's not in a place where they're having

[4:18] um Ebola. So, um

[4:25] I've asked David Coons if he would lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. So, if

[4:29] you would stand.

[4:34] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the

[4:40] republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[4:46] justice for all.

[4:53] » Okay, we do have a quorum because we've got Brent on the

[4:58] um

[5:01] on Zoom. So, I've asked Scott Campbell if he would

[5:05] give us a prayer tonight unless there's someone in the audience that would like

[5:08] to give a a thought or a prayer. Okay?

[5:13] Got it. Thank you.

[5:16] » Our heavenly Father, we are grateful for the many blessings that thou has given

[5:20] us. We're grateful to live where we do, where we have relative peace.

[5:24] We're grateful for our good neighbors and for the

[5:28] good that they desire to do, and the good works that they do.

[5:32] We're grateful for the opportunity to discuss the needs of our our city, our

[5:37] wonderful city. We pray that thou wouldst guide us that we make good

[5:41] decisions. And we pray for these things in the name

[5:44] of Jesus Christ. Amen. >> Amen.

[5:47] Thank you. Um let's go to council reports. We've

[5:51] got a 13-item agenda tonight. So, we want to move ahead and and go

[5:57] quickly. So,

[6:00] David, you want to start? >> Sure.

[6:03] Um let's see. During the last month, I've

[6:06] been able to uh help clean up the cemetery with the

[6:10] staff and that was from Memorial Day. This was a different project than the

[6:15] one I always talk about, but >> [laughter]

[6:16] » um cleaning up the flowers and things that were

[6:19] dying and needed to be removed and that's always good to

[6:22] work with them and and see how hard everybody works and and just another

[6:26] opportunity to volunteer and and to serve.

[6:29] Um I was able to go to a meeting through the ULCT in North Logan. It was just a

[6:34] couple of hours. They talked about um legislation versus policy and and

[6:40] some other things about a good discussion and good training to be at.

[6:44] Um the mosquito fogging is in full swing. It just started at the beginning

[6:48] of the month. So, we had some questions about that come up

[6:52] earlier that people are being bothered by them and hopefully that they'll that

[6:56] will literally die down now, I hope, a little bit. Um

[7:00] as far as the Just Serve project, we still have ongoing projects and and suc-

[7:06] success with people signing up wanting to serve.

[7:09] Canyon cleanups and the cemetery project I brought up before and others. Um

[7:15] Scott, I'll let you report on if if that's

[7:18] in your notes, I guess, but there's some other things coming up with in

[7:21] conjunction with America 250 and um I'll leave it at that.

[7:26] » Thank you.

[7:28] Gina? >> Um I worked with staff a little bit to

[7:32] refine um and fine-tune our Safe Routes to School plans as we're transitioning

[7:38] um different school boundaries and walking paths for Providence Elementary

[7:43] and what will soon be Spring Creek Elementary. Um

[7:49] I am chairing the fun run for Sauerkraut Days.

[7:52] So, I've been working on that. Um on the note of Sauerkraut Days, they are

[7:56] looking for volunteers to cut cabbage on the 27th of June.

[8:01] Um they have a big commercial kitchen out at Bridgerland. Um

[8:05] BATC, it's like on the corner of 10th West and 1400 North. So,

[8:09] if you are interested and willing to participate in a long-standing

[8:12] tradition, we'll take all the manpower we can. I think

[8:16] that they say I think last year they did 300 lb of cabbage. So,

[8:20] it's a lot of a lot of slicing. Um anybody interested?

[8:26] Scott Dun. Um

[8:29] » It was fun. I had a good time. I met I got to interact with some neighbors.

[8:34] And uh I thought it was a great time. >> Yeah, I think I think Brent Speth's

[8:37] going to be there. >> Yeah, I'll be there.

[8:42] » [laughter] >> Um I attended um LPC, which is the leg-

[8:46] legislative policy committee for the interim session for the state

[8:49] legislature. Um that's pretty much what I've been

[8:52] doing and responding to lots of emails.

[8:55] So. Okay, thank you. >> Um since we do have 13 items, I will be

[9:00] a little briefer than I originally planned. Uh Cache Trails, uh I um had a

[9:06] meeting on the 9th, went over There's nothing no huge issues. There's a few

[9:10] challenges that they're going through. Just I just want to report on a couple

[9:13] things that uh going over the Malibu project they've been working on. They

[9:16] actually have an end date on it now finally for So, uh November 4th. They're

[9:21] making really good prog- progress. There's a Hyrum Reservoir project.

[9:24] They've run into a couple little snags with a couple uh property owners. And

[9:28] so, they're focusing at a different part of the the trail there on the east side

[9:32] of uh the reservoir.

[9:35] Um and they're getting ready to start that. Uh, let's see. Um,

[9:40] Bear Creek Lodge Trail is moving along. There's just a lot of down trees, so

[9:44] it's probably going to take most of the summer to clear that out and complete

[9:48] the project or complete the construction.

[9:50] Uh, America 250, I'll talk about that for just a moment. We are looking to do

[9:55] some stuff, uh, some service hours, and so we're looking for some

[10:00] potential service projects. And so I've spoken with David about some options

[10:06] there, and uh, I'll have a conversation with the mayor and see if we can

[10:09] solidify some of that. And uh, what the kind of the idea is 200, since we're

[10:15] celebrating America 250, we want to see if Province will put in 250 volunteer

[10:21] service hours between before the city celebration and

[10:26] report them. And let us know a little bit what we can do, and then we can

[10:29] celebrate what they've accomplished with at at least 250 service hours.

[10:35] And uh, Healthy Utah Community Designation, I

[10:39] let us not sign up for that last time, and they had a deadline in uh,

[10:46] March, I think it was. And I let us not sign up for that

[10:49] because I was trying to figure out what's in it for us. What's in it for

[10:52] Province? Well, as I've looked into it during that time, hey, give me a break.

[10:56] I was new, right? So, I looked at it, and I think it's actually worthwhile

[11:00] project. It's a good thing to be designated a healthy city and get

[11:03] involved in the community in helping people become more healthy, and there's

[11:07] a lot of options for that. So, I'm just putting it out there.

[11:10] Um, I know we have a very active community when there's a hot topic, but

[11:15] uh, if you want to help Province become more

[11:18] healthy and be on a committee, the commitment would be meet at least once

[11:22] quarterly, um, help with some certain little

[11:24] projects, and um, we need a committee of at least four

[11:29] people. I would like at least four besides me on that committee. So, if

[11:34] anyone in the audience in the or online would

[11:37] like to participate in something like that, please reach out to me and let's

[11:41] chat. And that's it. Thanks. >> Okay, his number's on the website.

[11:46] Um so, and is your email I is your number on there? Just your email?

[11:51] » thought my email's on there. If not, people are calling me, so

[11:54] someone's got my phone number >> [laughter]

[11:56] » and I'm good with that. I don't have a problem with you calling me.

[11:58] » Been published. Okay.

[12:00] Um just a a quick little update. I've been

[12:03] working, you know,

[12:05] down on the highway, um in front of Discount Tire

[12:12] and the the medical clinic that's there. We're missing some sidewalk.

[12:17] And I watch people in the wintertime trying to navigate getting walking along

[12:22] there and there's snow and ice and cars rushing

[12:26] by. And so, I have worked with both of the

[12:30] the uh landowners right there

[12:33] and we've got letters that say, "Yes, we would like to have a sidewalk." So,

[12:38] we'll let you not know. We'll work with them and get a grant

[12:42] and be able to put that sidewalk in so that people are not walking out on the

[12:46] on the street. Um seems like we see more and more

[12:50] people that are that are walking as we're talking about

[12:54] uh how expensive gas and transportation is.

[12:59] Um today I had an opportunity to speak with

[13:02] the Kiwanis Club about Providence. Just telling them a little bit about our

[13:07] history and our background. And I

[13:12] had them watch the video and and I'm going to ask if any of you've seen it.

[13:17] It's about the canyon and the limestone quarry that's

[13:21] up there. Has anybody watched that? >> I have.

[13:25] » Okay. It's fascinating.

[13:28] Um it's under historic commission and it's it's about sauerkraut.

[13:34] Um they talk about

[13:37] the the um sugar beets and how they were

[13:42] used to make sugar and how we used limestone

[13:47] to do that. Uh it was quarried out of there with horses and then it was

[13:51] then and it we had trucks. Anyway, it's fascinating.

[13:55] And it was interesting to talk to this group and and show them what Providence

[14:01] added to this valley and to the community.

[14:05] Um my job is always to be out in the public and going to meetings and and

[14:10] making sure that people know who we are and

[14:13] um it's nice for me to be able to call um our representatives in the

[14:20] in the United States Senate and Congress and uh to call our local

[14:26] leaders and have them take the call and know who we are and know what we do. So,

[14:32] um I do a lot of that.

[14:35] Don't need to bring all of that up today um because we want to move ahead. So,

[14:41] Brent, what have you got a report for us? Can you do

[14:45] that? He's He's on his way to Salt Lake, so.

[14:48] » I Yes. I

[14:50] attended the emergency management meeting and uh

[14:56] with uh this county and uh

[15:01] I uh there's not much to report on that. They went through a lot of things, but

[15:06] it's just kind of ongoing stuff. And uh

[15:10] I also have just been inundated with work about the uh

[15:19] the ring of that's been a big deal.

[15:22] Anyway, that's about what all I can report right now.

[15:26] » Okay. Thank you.

[15:29] We'll go ahead and close that item

[15:32] and go to item number one, approval of minutes. Providence City Council

[15:36] consider and approve for approval the minutes of May 20th, 2026.

[15:42] So, I will entertain and a

[15:46] motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the

[15:49] minutes from May 20th, 2026. >> Okay, we have a motion.

[15:53] Second by um David.

[15:58] Any questions? Any changes? Just a great big thanks to Ty

[16:05] for such a good job that he does on them.

[16:08] All in favor? >> I.

[16:10] » I.

[16:14] » Did you say I? Brent?

[16:18] » I. >> Okay. That's okay.

[16:22] Thank you. Motion passes. Um

[16:26] close that item and go to item number two.

[16:29] We're going to be talking about public hearings tonight.

[16:33] We have a public hearing for our 2026 budget.

[16:38] Um we'll take comments and questions from

[16:41] the public regarding the request to adjust the fiscal year. That's our

[16:45] budget that we're working on now. Um

[16:49] Brian, what would you like to say about this?

[16:53] » Yeah, let me kind of do a little introductory.

[16:57] So, at the end of each year, what we do is we we look at

[17:02] our revenue and and see where where that revenue is has gone over what we

[17:07] projected it to be. And then we have a few items that may

[17:11] have come in that expense would have have trended

[17:15] higher than we expected.

[17:18] So, the general fund is our 10 funds or general fund here.

[17:23] We had an additional through a few different things, state grants. You'll

[17:26] see the state grant came in. Other various things

[17:30] had we over ran the revenue by about 608,000.

[17:35] And then we've had a few little off expenses. So, E911 is population

[17:42] resident based. So, it's tracked higher.

[17:47] You know, there's been a few other little things that have tracked higher.

[17:51] But overall, we we had about

[17:55] 300,000 in expense. So, we transferred the rest of that 388,000

[18:01] into our um

[18:03] uh in our capital projects fund. So, at

[18:07] that point the revenue and expense in the general fund balance again balances

[18:12] out. So, while we had a few um extra ones

[18:16] come in, we still had an extra 300,000 388,000 to

[18:22] transfer our general fund. Um the general the capital projects

[18:26] fund, we had some extra revenue.

[18:30] Had a few extra expenses, but at that point at the end of the day, we're

[18:33] within that $12,000 or just above $12,000 difference there

[18:38] in revenue. So, on the positive side. Um on the water side, our revenue came

[18:42] in higher than than our little

[18:45] expense adjustments by 175,000. So, we're making some adjustments there.

[18:51] Um the sewer funds, the revenue came in higher.

[18:56] We had a few extra expenses in a few of these.

[18:59] But we're still revenue a net income side on that.

[19:04] Um the 53 the storm

[19:07] storm fund, did not not a lot goes through the storm water fund, but we did

[19:11] have a few adjustments. Um the garbage fund

[19:15] with our revenue we our revenue didn't grow as fast as projected and we had a

[19:20] few extra expenses. Um depreciation hit in um a little bit more than expected.

[19:26] And so so we have a little um little bit of a of a

[19:31] of a loss compared to what the original budget was. Still a profit in that

[19:36] um and then in the fiber fund our revenue

[19:39] is higher. We had a few adjustments utility and network operation. Network

[19:43] operations is based on um on a number of connections. So um we

[19:49] projected a little conservative. We had more connect than we expected. So

[19:54] overall that's what we had. So we'll the only fund that we have

[19:57] uh cost going up more than the revenue going up is is our garbage fund. Um but

[20:02] still a profitable um

[20:04] profitable fund. So anyway, that's what I

[20:08] what I have and then if we have public comment. So

[20:11] if they have any questions. >> great report.

[20:14] That's what we like to hear on the budget that we've

[20:17] got more revenue than we thought we were going to get.

[20:20] » So. >> Um

[20:23] I

[20:26] » [clears throat] >> Sometimes this form is a little

[20:28] confusing. But do we have anybody that's signed up

[20:33] to talk about this subject?

[20:38] Okay. Not hearing any, we will go on to item

[20:42] number three. Um this is

[20:46] » You'll need to close that public hearing as official.

[20:48] » Oh. >> [clears throat]

[20:49] » Yeah. >> Let me officially close

[20:52] that public hearing. >> Perfect.

[20:54] » Thank you. Uh item number three, elective and

[20:57] statutory officers compensation public hearing.

[21:01] Providence City Council will take comments and questions from the public

[21:04] regarding the the elective and statutory officers' compensation as found in

[21:09] fiscal year 2027 budget. So, Ryan,

[21:15] yours, too. >> Yep. Yep, I got I got quite a few until

[21:18] we get to the real real exciting one. So, I got the budget

[21:23] and all of the all of those ones. Um so, it was, you know, budget um

[21:28] um document of the tenant part of the

[21:31] tentative budget. Um so, this is just going over that. Um

[21:36] we we look at the um

[21:39] uh salary surveys. We look at the adjustments. Um we base most of our

[21:44] adjustments on the cost of living adjustment. Um so, we have a few So, a

[21:50] few changes here. Uh planning commission, um my own here.

[21:55] Um and the staff side, we're at at a two two

[21:59] and a half percent cola with a uh two and a half percent merit potential.

[22:04] Um we show what the salary ranges are. Uh

[22:09] our last salary adjustment uh our salary range study was in 2024.

[22:14] Um and uh so, we are due that. We probably

[22:18] could have done it this year. We'll do it next year. Um but every two to three

[22:22] years we do that. Um we have the number of years of experience. Um we also put,

[22:27] you know, in the in the broader scale, we put the uh

[22:31] number of hours worked and the number of PTO hours returned uh for total donated

[22:36] amount. Um and uh so, then we have um we watch our

[22:42] uh pay scale pay ranges compared to our uh

[22:47] both the cost of living um

[22:50] at the CPI. Um we also compare that to the

[22:55] uh rate of of uh salary of uh resident change uh and see how we can we

[23:01] compete with both um residents as well as national as well as state. So,

[23:07] anyway, um basically, that's that's where we're

[23:10] at is uh um the judge, they dictate what that happens. So, we know exactly they

[23:16] they tell us what that is. Um so, anyway, we're within the salary

[23:20] ranges. Um and as that salary range moves up, you imagine

[23:24] um the the pay scales adjust accordingly.

[23:28] So, anyway, any questions that you have with that one? The public?

[23:38] No questions? >> Okay.

[23:42] We will um close that public hearing and go on to item number

[23:47] four. This is a final budget hearing. Providence City Council will take

[23:52] comments and questions from public regarding the city's fiscal year 2027

[23:57] final budget. If you'll remember, we introduced it a month ago.

[24:02] Gave people an opportunity to peruse it and to give us feedback.

[24:08] And so, now we're giving a final opportunity to make comment in meeting

[24:14] if they'd like to. So, Ryan, Ryan?

[24:17] » Yep. So, that that great summary we've we've uh this matches almost um almost

[24:23] exactly with just a few technical words. Um

[24:26] it it matches to what the tentative was. Uh if you remember, on the tentative

[24:30] proposal or the proposed tentative had the

[24:33] um the property tax increase. We removed uh

[24:37] that to truth in taxation um in favor of having just the ballot.

[24:42] We'll talk about the ballot languages for the library, so that doesn't include

[24:45] it. Um so, at this point, this would be the final budget to to approve. This

[24:51] would if if approved as is, it would approve the compensation schedule.

[24:55] Um and this will be the public hearing for it,

[24:58] but later when it's approved, that would approve the compensation schedule and

[25:01] and the no property tax increase as it stands. Um, so at this point, um, just

[25:08] to go through a little bit of how we come to the budget for those that may be

[25:12] new, um, the the method of of this is we take the

[25:18] cap the capital projects um, programs for each of the different uh

[25:24] funds we have, and uh and we take that to try to

[25:28] accomplish some of those objectives. And then we also work to have the budget

[25:33] to be uh a continuation of services that are provided.

[25:39] Um, so we work to try to provide continuation of service plus achieving

[25:44] the capital project needs that have been identified in the plans. So, um,

[25:50] anyway, then we go through, we talk about the history, we talk about our

[25:53] accomplishments. Uh, we have uh the compensation schedule, the

[25:58] organizational chart. Um, we have the organizational chart both by um by

[26:04] employee but also by type of responsibility that's done. Uh, we talk

[26:09] about the basis of budgeting, our financial policies, um, our revenues, uh

[26:14] capital improvements each year for for the long range. Uh, our budget does

[26:19] include a five-year outlook. Um, so we have inside the budget it'll show two

[26:24] years prior, current year, and three years uh but then we also project out uh

[26:31] a five-year model. So, this year and four more years, plus then we have a

[26:35] five to 10-year uh outlook. Um, so you can look through our budget and kind of

[26:40] project what we're going to do for next not just this year uh this coming year,

[26:45] but but for the five to 10-year uh outlook. Um, and what projects are

[26:50] coming up. So, if anybody wants to say, "Hey, when's when's the road in front of

[26:53] mine?" Or or how far out is this project?

[26:57] Um the budget really guides a lot of that. And And then we have links inside

[27:01] the budget to any of those plans of where those numbers are coming from. So,

[27:06] um we can go in great depth, but at this point um

[27:10] the the the few things that have changed is kind of a highlighting where sales

[27:15] tax we changed the property tax cuz there's no property tax.

[27:18] Um but if you go through, there's just a few small

[27:22] uh wording differences that have been included. So, nothing substantive. So,

[27:27] anyway, if anybody has questions or would like to go more in depth than I'm

[27:31] a nerd that I can go and through it. Um as a as a trained CPA, I'm happy to go

[27:36] to the nth degree, but I know that it's boring to a lot. And we've got a big

[27:40] agenda, so I'll I'll go to whatever length you want to go.

[27:44] » I'm a bottom line kind of girl. >> [laughter]

[27:46] » I don't I don't need to to know how the carburetor works.

[27:50] Know that the car will turn on. Um but he does a great job. He

[27:55] we are extremely lucky to have someone with his

[27:59] background to be able to do our budgets and keep

[28:02] them keep them keep on top of them so that we

[28:06] can end the year and say we didn't overspend anywhere.

[28:10] So, thank you Ryan for the work that you do.

[28:13] Um not seeing any comments, we'll close

[28:18] uh item number four on the final budget public hearing

[28:22] and go to item number five. This is um

[28:27] » [snorts] >> Providence City Code 5-4-7

[28:30] amended public hearing. The public Excuse me, the Providence City Council

[28:35] will take comments and questions from the public regarding a resident

[28:39] request to amend PCC 54 5-4-7,

[28:45] which deals with swimming pool fence regulations.

[28:50] So, um

[28:55] Do you Yes. >> She is our attorney.

[28:59] » Yes, I know who it is. >> [laughter]

[29:05] » Hi. Just wanted to come out tonight and

[29:08] speak on the proposal here.

[29:12] Um I don't necessarily have a problem with

[29:16] the proposal for the actual change to the uh covers

[29:20] of swimming pools being secure as long as they follow the regulations, which is

[29:25] already in. But, it

[29:28] is a little bit strange to me, and I thought I should raise it to the council

[29:32] that um there is a request that this be made

[29:36] retroactive to cancel any current um

[29:41] prosecution or other sorts of um activities based on this. Now,

[29:49] I also serve as civil uh code compliance for other

[29:54] cities, and as a prosecuting attorney, and it's

[29:58] likely that if this were passed, if there were any open citations or

[30:02] things that that would be evaluated by the prosecuting authority,

[30:06] but I do feel that it is a little bit out of line for the legislative side to

[30:13] preemptively say, "This has not been okay for 5 10 years,

[30:19] and there are active cases, but we're going to strip those away just because

[30:25] something is changing now." Especially when proper notices have been given that

[30:28] people were out of compliance and they were

[30:31] may have chosen to willfully not comply. Those are the kinds of things

[30:35] that we don't want to see happening in the city, whether or not

[30:39] the specifics of the >> [clears throat]

[30:42] » regulations do change. And that's part of the the duties of the compliance and

[30:48] I don't even handle that side for Pro- Providence per se. Um

[30:53] but I do think that it's worth the council knowing that I don't

[30:59] feel that it's very just

[31:03] to make that portion of the change if it were to be adopted.

[31:09] » Thank you.

[31:13] » My name's Deanne Henninger and I actually submitted the application. So,

[31:17] I appreciate your support. However, with the retroactive, I talked to an attorney

[31:22] as well and I looked this up and typically

[31:26] when you do retroactive, it hurts residents by foreseeing unexpected

[31:30] expenses, but here it actually helps residents by legalizing existing highly

[31:36] safe technology. And if you have two neighbors with the exact same cover,

[31:41] it's just going to be equal. It's not going to be like, "Okay,

[31:45] when did you put yours in? When did you know?" It's just equal. These covers

[31:49] have to meet these guidelines. I don't know if you if I need to go over what

[31:53] the guidelines are if you guys have a copy of the application.

[31:57] » Probably if you just want to explain what you're asking for and why you're

[32:00] asking. >> Okay.

[32:01] » And then um this is a public hearing, so you

[32:05] you can explain what you're doing and then

[32:08] » Okay. >> um you're

[32:09] you're explaining that to the council. >> Okay.

[32:12] » And then if there's anyone in the audience that wants to make a comment,

[32:15] they can certainly do that. >> Okay. Thank you.

[32:18] Um this is my first one, so >> That's okay.

[32:20] » Okay, so I'm proposing that Providence updates um their zoning codes regarding

[32:26] residential residential swimming pools, hot tubs, and spas.

[32:30] My amendment seeks to bring Providence into direct alignment with the state

[32:34] guidelines for recognizing the ASTM F1346

[32:40] certified safety covers as a fully compliant alternative to a

[32:44] perimeter fence and to apply the standard retroactively across the city.

[32:49] So, I don't know if like I say if you have a copy of that, but there's a

[32:54] a governing body, the International Swimming Pool and Spa Code section 305.1

[33:00] that says that if a spa has a lockable safety cover or a pool has a powered

[33:05] safety cover meeting the ASTM F1346 standards, a perimeter fence shall not

[33:13] be required. So, the state of Utah has adopted this

[33:17] code as well as Cache County has adopted it and the majority of the

[33:21] municipalities in Cache County. Um

[33:25] and I can go over those um that that code that that the ASTM F1346

[33:32] um it has certain requirements. It allows 485 lb to be on it without

[33:39] collapsing. That's enough for two adults and a child.

[33:42] It requires um no water be shown. Um you can't get access to the water at

[33:49] all. It also has it so the water can't sit on top of the cover. It seeps

[33:54] through so there's not standing water. And then the last thing is it has a

[33:58] lockable um

[34:00] code, either a key lock or a code that has to be in um

[34:05] visible to the pool. And that's how you open it and close it. So, that's what

[34:10] the International Swimming Pool has uh code has recommended, the state of Utah

[34:15] has adopted it, and Cache County has adopted it.

[34:18] Okay. So, I don't Is that all I need to

[34:22] » That's good. All right. Thank you for your explanation.

[34:28] Any comments on this item? Again, this is a public hearing. We will

[34:33] we'll talk about this and vote on it tonight. So, we'll take some action

[34:37] tonight. Um

[34:40] but this is just the public hearing part of it.

[34:45] Yeah. That's okay. Go ahead and get it.

[34:53] So, I'll go ahead and close item number five. That's the end of our public

[34:58] hearings. We'll go to item number six.

[35:03] Um item number six is resolution 06-2026

[35:10] fiscal year 2026 budget adjustment. Providence City Council will view

[35:17] review, discuss, and may take action on a resolution that adjusts fiscal year

[35:21] 2026 budget. So,

[35:25] I will take a motion on this item.

[35:35] » I will try. Okay. I [clears throat] make a motion that

[35:40] resolution 06-2026 FYE 2026 budget adjustment um

[35:49] be passed. Is that how we do it? Okay. To

[35:54] be passed. >> I'll second that. Here we have a motion

[35:57] and a second. Further discussion?

[36:03] Brent, you have anything?

[36:09] » He's muted. >> Okay.

[36:13] Um Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor?

[36:18] » I. >> I.

[36:21] » Brent?

[36:24] » He's trying to greet a groundhog at the airport, so it might be bedtime.

[36:27] » The plane didn't come in till 7:00. >> Is he still muted?

[36:29] » So, they're probably walking toward the

[36:32] » But, you have three. >> Yeah.

[36:34] » So, we have a quorum. >> Yeah.

[36:36] » Okay. All right. We'll go ahead and

[36:40] um No opposed.

[36:43] Um motion carries. So, we'll close that item, go to item

[36:47] number seven. Resolution 05-2026

[36:51] certified tax rate. The City Council will consider for

[36:55] adoption a resolution establishing the certified tax rate for fiscal year 2027.

[37:01] I'm going to have Ryan explain this a little bit so that you understand why we

[37:06] have to do this. >> Yeah.

[37:08] So, [clears throat] what there is is there is

[37:11] um a property tax rate. If we If we request

[37:16] the property tax revenue of the amount of the previous year, then that is the

[37:22] certified rate. If we increase the amount, then we need to go through truth

[37:26] and taxation. So, this basically says we're only requesting of the residents

[37:32] the amount of property tax we received in the prior year. So, that it's no

[37:36] property tax increase um and that that's where we get the

[37:40] truth of the uh certified tax rate. So, that that would indi- If we adopt it at

[37:45] this rate, we have no property tax increase. That's what we're That's what

[37:48] we're proposing. >> Okay.

[37:51] So, I'll entertain a motion.

[37:55] » I'll entertain a motion to adopt the um certified tax rate

[37:59] for fiscal year 2027. But, I did Well, I'll make a comment

[38:04] after that. >> Yeah, we'll we'll do it after.

[38:06] Uh do we have a second? >> I'll second.

[38:08] » Okay, we have a second. Um

[38:12] comments, questions?

[38:14] » Um I think just for the public's benefit, as as your value changes,

[38:19] your percentage of property tax does not change we adopt the certified tax rate.

[38:24] So, if the assessor changes the value of

[38:27] your house, >> you will pay

[38:29] » percentage of that value doesn't change. The actual number might change, but the

[38:32] percentage does not. That

[38:35] may be helpful. >> Correct.

[38:37] Um >> Am I wrong?

[38:38] » Y- Yeah, that's that's >> [clears throat]

[38:41] » So, >> [gasps]

[38:42] » so it is the to clarify that,

[38:45] this is is across all all residents considered together. It would be the

[38:51] same So, if you take the valuation of all houses, of all businesses,

[38:57] and uh and you know, take take our property

[39:01] tax, divide by all all value, then you get a rate.

[39:04] Um if one person's house

[39:09] goes up faster in value than than the average,

[39:13] they may see a difference in theirs. So, um so there there might be So, if one

[39:19] house, an individual So, on a on a macro level,

[39:23] it that's correct. On a micro level, your house may increase value faster

[39:28] than your neighbors, and so your tax may go up. Um the rate as as

[39:34] as the values go up, the rate actually will go down every year. So, so the rate

[39:38] declines. So, this is this is a less of a rate than last year. So, the rate is

[39:42] actually lower. >> Okay.

[39:45] » But the But the amount the the value of property tax is the same. And so, if

[39:50] your if the value of your house went up, then your rate went down.

[39:55] To get to the same number. >> Right.

[39:57] » Does that make sense? >> Yes.

[39:59] » And everybody understands that, right? >> It's okay.

[40:02] » It is confusing. Um

[40:05] » So, are you saying if the dollar value

[40:09] assessed for my home goes up,

[40:13] this dollar amount in this here doesn't change, Just my percentage of that

[40:20] dollar amount changes. >> Yeah, you may pay more than your

[40:22] neighbor if your house value goes up faster than theirs does.

[40:26] So, it may change yours on an on an individual basis, it may change yours.

[40:31] All residents, if we had more businesses coming in faster, that new business new

[40:36] new uh uh and the value of of our business was growing faster than the

[40:41] residents, then the residents all would get reduction in taxes.

[40:46] » It's a dollar amount getting getting all this alteration. Man, I'm glad I don't

[40:50] do this. >> [laughter]

[40:52] » Same dollar amount. Wow, that's a nightmare.

[40:57] » I think my comment ins- uh

[41:00] added confusion. I might have meant to be clarifying, but

[41:03] » [laughter] >> I understand.

[41:04] » it's good question. >> I understand what you're saying.

[41:05] » That's why we have Ryan do this stuff. >> It leads to clarification. Yeah.

[41:10] There you go. >> One one step.

[41:12] » Yeah. >> Okay, so we have a motion

[41:14] and a second on the table. Further discussion?

[41:18] All in favor? >> I.

[41:20] » I. >> I.

[41:22] » Oh, good job, Brent. Thank you. Um

[41:27] uh motion carries. So, we'll close that on the certified tax

[41:33] rate and go to item number eight. Um ordinance

[41:39] 09-2026 fiscal year 2027 final budgets.

[41:44] Providence City Council will consider for adoption a resolution

[41:49] uh

[41:52] approving the fiscal year 2027 final budgets for all funds.

[41:57] So, I will entertain a motion.

[42:04] » I'll make a motion that we adopt um ordinance 09-2026

[42:08] fiscal year 2027 final budgets for fiscal year Yeah, fiscal year 2027.

[42:15] » Okay. >> I second it.

[42:16] » So, we have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

[42:25] Okay. All in favor? >> I.

[42:28] » I. >> I.

[42:32] » Thank you. >> Be sure and speak into the microphones.

[42:35] » Okay. Are you hearing me okay? >> I am hearing you, Mayor. Yes, very good.

[42:40] » Thank you. >> It's cuz I'm right on top of the mic.

[42:43] » [laughter] >> Okay.

[42:46] Um let's go to item number nine. Ordinance

[42:53] 07-2026 parcel 02-095-0031.

[43:02] It's a rezone. Providence City Council will review,

[43:05] discuss, and may take action on an ordinance authorizing the rezone

[43:10] of parcel 02-095-0031

[43:16] located in the general area of 96 North Main, Providence, Utah.

[43:21] Approval of the ordinance will rezone the parcel from R112

[43:25] to mixed use um

[43:29] Planning Commission held a public hearing on May 13th with continued

[43:33] discussion on June 10th and motioned that the City Council approve the

[43:38] rezone. Motion failed two to three. So, that's where we stand.

[43:45] Um the Planning Commission is a recommending body, not

[43:50] an approval body. This the um City Council is an approval body.

[43:57] So, um

[43:59] this is the time that the council we've heard from lots of people. I bet you

[44:03] we've had 25 letters. Um do we have anything

[44:09] I am on the >> I've sent you all as of an hour before

[44:13] this meeting. >> Okay.

[44:17] So, we've all read the letters. We've all watched the planning commission

[44:21] uh commissions and the meetings that have been held. We've

[44:26] we've watched um and listened to you with your phone calls and the

[44:31] things that you're concerned about. Um

[44:39] because we've had two public hearings on this, I think I'm not going to have the

[44:45] audience stand up. We've read all the letters. We know what how everyone feels

[44:50] about everything.

[44:53] And so, unless the council feels differently,

[44:58] » Unless there's somebody here who hasn't sent something in.

[45:02] » Yeah. >> Do we have anyone that has not sent

[45:05] something in or not spoken at previous meetings?

[45:11] We have two lonely hands. Three. Okay, I will take those three

[45:19] um comments. So, you need to come up.

[45:27] So, that's the criteria. If you haven't spoken and you haven't before and if you

[45:31] haven't sent something to us, >> I have not done any of the following.

[45:35] » Okay. >> Okay, am I good to

[45:38] » You're good to go. We need your name. We need your name.

[45:41] » My name's Owen Geddes. Um and I've been a citizen of the

[45:45] historic district of Providence for my entire life. Um I want to give a little

[45:49] bit of background on myself. I want to establish that I'm not repeating

[45:53] anything that my parents are putting or showing to me. I care deeply about this

[45:57] community and I am as civically engaged as I possibly can. Um I'll be

[46:02] representing Utah at Boys Nation this coming July and meeting with our

[46:07] senators Lee and Curtis. I'm also the student body president at Ridgeline High

[46:10] School and I will be voting in the coming months. This proposed development

[46:15] on 96 North Main, no matter how much thought or planning is put into it, is a

[46:19] detriment to this community. It is merely a copout for the maximum

[46:24] amount of units that he would like to put on the the the parcel

[46:30] so he can make as much profit as possible. Um, in uh in the Planning and

[46:34] Zoning Commission meeting on May 13th, Mr. Robin said himself, "People don't

[46:39] realize that one of the buildings actually has three two-car garages along

[46:44] the back of it that takes up the commercial space on the main level."

[46:48] This shows how the garage space that is that can be used on this building will

[46:54] take up the commercial space in the building, not allowing it to contribute

[46:58] the described purpose of developing a a community walkable space and it will

[47:02] just be used for garages for future tenants of the area.

[47:08] Um, the economic viability of the area as

[47:12] has been previously established as not conducive of building of businesses as

[47:18] businesses in the past have left and our even our own sitting building has left

[47:23] that street. Um, this direction that this project sets our city on is not one

[47:28] that young people like myself are interested in.

[47:33] Personally, I have loved the community that I've lived in and especially the

[47:37] historic charm that it has built and left an impact on my own life. Um,

[47:42] by putting in high-density housing on a spot zone in the middle of our

[47:47] community, it destroys that charm and ultimately detracts from future home

[47:51] buyers who want to move into the community.

[47:55] Um, it also does not even address the

[47:58] affordability issue that I will have to face in my future as I seek for a home

[48:02] no matter how much the the developer may say that they will be affordable units.

[48:08] Um growth and construction are a necessary part of any city, but they

[48:12] need to be put in proper areas for it to contribute to the health of the city.

[48:17] This development is completely irresponsible and is not put in a

[48:19] location that will be to the benefit of our community.

[48:23] » Yeah, one minute. >> Does not address the purposes the

[48:26] developer says, but contributes to safety concerns such as parking in our

[48:30] bike lanes, which we have made a big issue in our community in trying to

[48:36] allow cyclists to have the safest route they can.

[48:40] Um As established before, it will not

[48:42] likely even stand as a commercial center because of the garages that will be put

[48:47] underneath in lieu of the commercial space.

[48:50] I urge you council to follow the council of the planning and zoning commission as

[48:54] they've reviewed and looked at this issue greatly. I also urge you guys to

[48:58] council together as our elected officials. Um there are you have been

[49:02] voting in by the people of Providence. Um and I urge you to follow each other's

[49:06] council and not the council of other city employees or the opinions of other

[49:09] city employees who may push you in one direction. I plead you

[49:13] with you to see the damage that this development will cause and by denying

[49:17] this rezone, you will protect our historic Providence. Thank you.

[49:21] » Thank you.

[49:25] Okay, who was the other hand? Okay.

[49:31] So, you've not spoken in another meeting, not sent anything.

[49:34] » Honestly, this is not planned or rehearsed at all. I

[49:38] I uh >> We need your name.

[49:40] » I'm Christopher Brown. I live on on Sears Street in Providence.

[49:45] Um and I guess

[49:48] my thoughts are uh

[49:51] Jody, I know Jody. Jody's actually a really good guy. I don't I don't think

[49:57] anyone who opposes this knows Jody very well. But, Jody doesn't do things

[50:02] just to be the most profitable possible. I don't know if you guys are aware of

[50:06] his developments, what he has done. He is a remarkable developer. He's a

[50:11] remarkable um builder. He does a good job.

[50:16] And his communities feel wonderful. Jody has a great vision for what looks

[50:22] good, what feels good. I know he cares about the community. He cares about his

[50:26] neighbors. He cares about people in general.

[50:30] That's That's just who Jody is, for anyone who doesn't know him.

[50:33] Uh one of the nicest guys, truly you'll ever meet.

[50:37] Uh I served my mission in Guatemala. Guatemala has something really special

[50:43] that we don't have here. They call them tiendas.

[50:46] Uh on just about every street, every block in Guatemala, they have

[50:52] a house where you they don't have all these zoning ordinances and all these

[50:55] rules, and they have a house where people can just go and buy whatever they

[51:00] want. And it is so incredibly convenient uh to go buy a soda or go buy uh

[51:10] some rice or beans or whatever. And I I don't think Jody's going to sell rice

[51:13] and beans. He may, who knows. Uh

[51:17] you know, there's kind of this we kind of get in these opinions where

[51:21] you know, we just don't want to change things. We don't want to change the

[51:26] status quo. Um

[51:29] but you know, I think this would be remarkable for the community, uh for the

[51:34] schools, for convenience, uh to stay away from the

[51:39] traffic of I mean, the traffic is getting horrible

[51:43] over there. And you know, if you want to get a

[51:45] haircut or buy a soda or something,

[51:49] yeah. it would be awesome. I I think the Logan Marketplace that's over there

[51:56] is incredible. I love stopping there and grabbing something every now and then. I

[52:00] don't think any of us think that it's a huge eyesore

[52:04] on the community. You know, if you do, I guess everyone's entitled to their

[52:07] opinion, but I think it's a huge benefit uh for that community. People stop and

[52:11] use it uh

[52:13] all the time. And so,

[52:16] you know, I I hope you guys would consider it. Uh

[52:19] I think it would be worthwhile. Uh as far as housing is concerned, you

[52:24] know, when you get a lot of public opinion on housing, you know, if people

[52:28] like don't build these apartments or don't do this, don't do that, you know,

[52:33] if you really care about affordable housing, you have to build houses.

[52:38] Doesn't matter if they're more expensive, doesn't matter if they're

[52:40] less expensive. If there's more supply, cost of housing goes down.

[52:46] And if people don't increase the supply, then the cost of housing goes up. That's

[52:50] just what happens. That's just economics. And part of the problem with

[52:53] affordability is that we there's too many rules and stipulations

[52:59] for builders to build, and they just can't build enough housing to get cost

[53:03] down. You Ir- Irregardless of cost of construction, if there's

[53:07] lots of supply, cost of housing will go down. That's the

[53:11] way economics work. So, anyway, that's all the time I need.

[53:14] » Thank you for your comment. Okay, who was the other hand?

[53:18] Okay.

[53:26] » Hello. Uh I'm Justin McMurtie. Um I have not commented as of yet or

[53:32] sent an email, but I would like to

[53:35] voice my support for the rezone with one structural condition.

[53:39] Uh for context, I'm a Cache Valley native. I grew up in Millville.

[53:43] Um and I moved away to go to school and I ended up in Provo working at tech

[53:48] companies down there for a decade. Um I lived in Provo for a decade and one

[53:53] of the main inspirations from the proposal is Provo Center Street.

[53:58] Um I lived very close to Provo Center Street for a decade.

[54:02] Uh and I loved the area. It was walkable, it was human scale, and the

[54:06] shops and the housing close together made the area feel alive.

[54:10] It wasn't a bunch of people pretending their neighbors don't exist in their

[54:12] houses. People came out and did things together.

[54:15] It was cool. Um

[54:18] that is hard to build and I think it's worth encouraging here.

[54:22] Uh much of the opposition I've heard points out that it would be better if it

[54:26] was a block to the south. Um and maybe that's true, but I I don't

[54:30] think that we should let perfect become the enemy of good. If this is good for

[54:34] the community, then it should be good whether it's a block away or not.

[54:39] Um but a the condition here, the structural concern that I have that was

[54:43] voiced, is a rezone outlasts a specific proposal.

[54:48] Uh and mixed-use entitlements attached to the land and run to any future owner

[54:53] and not just Jody. Um

[54:56] that the vision is excellent, uh but the zoning rezoning alone doesn't

[55:01] guarantee it gets built. Uh so I ask that a development agreement

[55:05] is adopted concurrently if it's is if the rezone goes forward

[55:10] so that the it's structure and structures of the rezone doesn't take

[55:14] effect until that agreement is recorded. Uh that way it would bind the property

[55:18] and any future owners or any future developers to the standards that are

[55:22] agreed upon. Um ideally, it would set specific

[55:26] binding standards that spell out what's prohibitive prohibited, not just

[55:31] describe the the vision that we that I like at least.

[55:36] Um I will add that it's not right next to my property,

[55:40] but I lived right by something like this in the past, and I would support it if

[55:44] it was proposed next to my property. Uh, with that in

[55:48] with that pr- uh,

[55:51] binding agreement in place, I would strongly support this.

[55:54] » Thank you. Okay.

[55:58] Um, Sue, you haven't written in and you have

[56:03] Okay. >> Well, I don't have it written in, but I

[56:05] say something. >> Okay.

[56:08] So, this is the last.

[56:15] » My name's Janice Rasmussen, and I wasn't planning on talking, but I feel the

[56:21] need. I would hope that this rezoning is

[56:27] voted down. I live across the street from where the

[56:30] developer wants to put it. I have an issue with

[56:34] everything that is going across the street, and it doesn't matter whether

[56:38] he's a nice guy or not. A lot of people are nice, but don't want this.

[56:44] Um, I've lived there for lots of years

[56:48] across the street as well as my neighbors.

[56:52] And um, it's just it's a good idea that he

[56:57] wants to >> Janice, just a minute. Can we have the

[57:00] » hear everybody.

[57:04] » Go ahead, >> Janice. I

[57:06] I'm got distracted. I um,

[57:10] don't agree with the rezoning. I He's got a nice idea, just not in the place

[57:15] that he wants to put it. And as far as the email that he sent out where the

[57:20] places was just going to become dilapidated and everybody was going to

[57:24] die, that was pathetic. That's worst email I've ever seen.

[57:29] And I I uh, um,

[57:33] I would just like to ask him and those people that were here at those two

[57:38] meetings ago and everyone, would you like this across street from you?

[57:44] Thank you.

[57:46] Okay. Um,

[57:51] with that, now is the time that the council will

[57:54] discuss and make decisions. We've We've been

[57:59] immersed in this for 3 weeks. Jody, did you want to say anything before we do

[58:03] our discussion?

[58:09] Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Excuse me. Excuse me.

[58:13] This is my meeting. Well, he has, but he's also the

[58:18] developer. And so,

[58:24] » He paid the application. >> He paid the application. It's It's his

[58:27] time. So, let's give that to him. >> I have a full presentation, but it

[58:31] doesn't necessarily seem appropriate to >> don't need all of that. We've We've

[58:36] listened to all of this. >> I would love to just address a couple of

[58:40] of um, the comments that just came in and

[58:43] I'll I'll keep it brief. Uh,

[58:47] people have misrepresented the information that I've put out. I have

[58:50] the plans on my website, so they can see them. Um, I said a portion of one of the

[58:56] buildings has garages in it. There's still about 1,800 square feet of

[59:03] commercial space across three storefronts

[59:06] that are very viable small business locations um,

[59:11] with over 300 in-house businesses in in Providence. It seems like there's a need

[59:18] for this type of location. Um,

[59:22] people have have said that it's not a viable location.

[59:26] Um, Looking at Providence Main Street,

[59:30] there's no available commercial space. Yes, there's vacant space,

[59:36] but the owner, for whatever reason, does not

[59:40] have that up for rent. So, we, in our research,

[59:45] the location is very viable. We've also had

[59:49] um entrepreneurs from the exact types of

[59:54] businesses that we're looking for in their community engaging businesses

[59:58] show interest in in being there. And this is

[1:00:01] cafe, florist, um uh

[1:00:07] bakery, uh soda, uh ice cream shop.

[1:00:11] And we've actually had a couple of others that aren't on the list and

[1:00:15] aren't in our top tier of of what we think is the most community

[1:00:19] engaging. Um

[1:00:22] I understand that the neighbors have have concern

[1:00:26] about uh this project.

[1:00:30] We've designed this from the beginning to be uh pedestrian scale. And it is is

[1:00:37] smaller and further away from the property line

[1:00:41] than what current zoning allows. From it's smaller

[1:00:46] and further away from our neighbors. It's shorter than what we could build

[1:00:50] there with current zoning. We also um

[1:00:55] have are taking steps to ensure that it's not an eyesore to neighbors and

[1:01:01] that that it doesn't adversely affect the neighbors. So, we want this to be

[1:01:07] something that the entire community can enjoy, including the residents on Main

[1:01:12] Street. So, um

[1:01:15] with that, I I doesn't seem like it would be fair for me to put any other

[1:01:19] points out other than addressing the concerns that were brought up today. So,

[1:01:24] » Thank you. >> Uh

[1:01:24] » unless you guys have any questions for me.

[1:01:28] » I think we've I think that we've all been immersed in

[1:01:31] this for >> Okay. Thank you very much.

[1:01:35] » Thank you.

[1:01:38] Okay. Um

[1:01:43] You want to talk about it? You want to do a motion?

[1:01:49] » I'd rather discussion. >> Yeah. I think discussion.

[1:01:52] » Okay. >> Can Brent still hear us?

[1:01:54] » Brent, are you still on there? >> I am.

[1:01:59] » Okay. >> Yes, I am. I I

[1:02:01] Can I speak now? >> Yes, please.

[1:02:05] » Okay. Um as I have reviewed and reviewed and thought about

[1:02:10] this, uh in 2000

[1:02:14] uh master plan, mixed use was not even a consideration.

[1:02:19] In 2010, mixed use was indicated on the west side of

[1:02:24] Gateway Drive. This what we're doing at this point in

[1:02:28] time has extended ramifications up into the residential area, which uh most of

[1:02:36] us are familiar with. Now, there is Main Street, but pretty much all the

[1:02:39] businesses have left Main Street. Anyway, I think what uh as I've studied

[1:02:45] it, Brian Ryan brought a new

[1:02:48] document of 2010 under Mayor Ron Lichty to light,

[1:02:53] and I think there's some uh things that need to be

[1:02:56] severely considered with it, where it goes, what it does.

[1:03:01] And my motion, and I'd like to make a motion,

[1:03:05] is that we table this until we can first off have a full council.

[1:03:10] Because we as a council were elected to vote.

[1:03:14] And there's five of us, and the reason there's five of us, so that uh we can

[1:03:19] make a decision, a majority of the council people.

[1:03:23] So, consequently, I would like to make a motion that we postpone this. The second

[1:03:27] thing of it is, we need to also really think about the ramifications.

[1:03:33] One of the In that study in 2010, one of the things I looked at was if an

[1:03:41] option was selected in there, and I don't know if that option was selected.

[1:03:44] There were three options. It could put uh

[1:03:48] this uh

[1:03:50] mixed use up as far as uh almost to Von's Park.

[1:03:56] There's areas that are circled for that. I look at the Renner Connect property, I

[1:04:01] look at the Bear property, I look at Marlin House property. I look at uh the

[1:04:06] one kitty-corner across the street from me, they're tearing down the old Rath-

[1:04:11] Rathaus, and there's a lot there.

[1:04:14] There is so much that could be plopped down in this city,

[1:04:18] so much extended ramifications. We really need to make sure that we're

[1:04:24] making a correct decision, an informed decision, and I don't think

[1:04:29] we're to that point right now, and I'd like to postpone it until we can have a

[1:04:33] full council vote and uh a full council understanding of our ramifications.

[1:04:40] That's my motion. >> Okay, we have a motion.

[1:04:45] Do we have a second? >> I'll second.

[1:04:47] » Yeah, if he doesn't mind. >> Okay, we have a

[1:04:48] motion and a second. Any discussion?

[1:04:53] » I just think given the the

[1:04:56] community engagement and the strength of that,

[1:05:00] from what I've seen, this is the most um

[1:05:03] emails I've gotten about a singular subject, and the most phone calls, and

[1:05:07] in-person visits uh on my time on the council, and I

[1:05:12] think it is only fair that we have the full elected body here

[1:05:15] to make that decision. Um

[1:05:19] so I would agree with Brent. >> Okay, so you're

[1:05:22] We have a motion and we have a second. Any further discussion?

[1:05:27] » Um

[1:05:31] I mean, I agree that we should probably all be here. I have done some research

[1:05:35] on that um 2010 landscape architecture um document.

[1:05:42] » hear what the response was.

[1:05:46] » Janelle is is making a comment. Sorry.

[1:05:49] » Okay, sorry. >> is like tied down to the ground, so it's

[1:05:52] fine. I don't don't think so.

[1:05:58] I think it's so I ask less questions, you guys.

[1:06:00] » [laughter] >> It was purposeful.

[1:06:03] It might be might be pur- purposeful. I I think it's good to have the vote of

[1:06:08] the entire council. Um I have done some research on the 2010 document that Brent

[1:06:13] mentioned, um and and studied the minutes from

[1:06:16] 2010, which um

[1:06:21] I feel like that document was a guide a guidance for establishing our

[1:06:26] mixed-use district. Um but

[1:06:31] it it wasn't like incorporated into any of our master

[1:06:35] plans or any of those things. I I don't know that

[1:06:39] it has any impact or like weight on >> Any binding and any binding

[1:06:46] » I mean, it has a lot of ideas, but it it doesn't really have any binding power

[1:06:51] or direction within it. So, I mean, I feel comfortable stating that, but

[1:06:56] um I'm prepared to vote, or I'm I'm fine to

[1:07:00] wait. >> Okay.

[1:07:01] » Either way. >> So,

[1:07:04] my concern is I know that had a lot of residents over the years that I've been

[1:07:08] here concerned about changing residential

[1:07:12] areas to commercial or mixed use and they have their various reasons for it.

[1:07:16] I've listened to talked to people listened to people's comments. I've

[1:07:21] talked with people. I have um

[1:07:24] on both sides of this of the issue and uh

[1:07:28] um I have a tendency to always take the

[1:07:33] opposite view of whoever's talking to me.

[1:07:35] And I can poke all kinds of holes in everyone with the exception of the

[1:07:40] people that all they said was I

[1:07:43] I support this or I'm against this. Well, okay, great. I can't poke a hole

[1:07:48] in that, but I can poke holes in people's rationale all over the place,

[1:07:52] both sides. And some of the the arguments just don't

[1:07:55] hold any water or merit for me. And so um

[1:08:00] I'd like to wait till we have all all of this here.

[1:08:04] I think that'd be really the the wise thing to do. um

[1:08:08] I think that you know, me personally, I have agreed with many people. I'd like

[1:08:14] to keep the residential residential multi-use on the west side

[1:08:20] um because there was space there at the

[1:08:23] time. That's just my the way I've I've leaned

[1:08:27] and I've heard a lot of really good arguments for this. I've heard a lot of

[1:08:32] I think fair arguments against it that I share some of those concerns to be

[1:08:36] honest with you. And so I think putting it off until we

[1:08:40] have the everyone here and make sure that we're

[1:08:44] not just doing something we want. We're doing what's right

[1:08:48] uh for Providence. >> Okay.

[1:08:51] Call for a vote. All in favor?

[1:08:54] » Of his motion? >> Of his motion.

[1:08:56] » I >> I

[1:08:58] » Nay. Okay.

[1:09:02] So, we have three four and and one against, so

[1:09:07] the motion passes. So, we will put that off until next month.

[1:09:13] Okay, let's go we'll close that item and go to item

[1:09:18] number 10. This is [clears throat] ordinance 10-26

[1:09:23] PCC um 10

[1:09:28] -12-3 and 4 amendments.

[1:09:33] Providence City Council will review, discuss, and may take action on an

[1:09:37] ordinance regarding proposed code amendments to extend the sunset day for

[1:09:41] the incentive to record the deed restriction for an IADU

[1:09:47] or an ADU. Um Planning Commission

[1:09:52] held a public hearing on June 10th and recommended the City Council approve the

[1:09:56] amendments. So, Ryan do you just want to quickly explain this or or Skarda,

[1:10:02] whichever one? >> So,

[1:10:04] » [clears throat] >> I I can explain a little and then Skarda

[1:10:06] can add as he likes. Um

[1:10:09] the this we offer a $100 incentive to those that will

[1:10:14] provide proof of deed restriction. Um it had a

[1:10:18] it had an expiring clause um of May 15th, 2026 and we're extending

[1:10:25] that to May 15th, 2028. We had between six and eight, I think, um that utilized

[1:10:31] this and we were able to to have them record

[1:10:36] um and have that deed restriction. The deed

[1:10:39] restriction is is that a um one of the units will be

[1:10:43] owner occupied. Um so, anyway, we've had some success

[1:10:47] with that. Before we hadn't had a lot of people, maybe they put in an ADU or or

[1:10:52] that and didn't record. This this gives us an ability to have that compliance

[1:10:57] recorded and gives an incentive to do so.

[1:11:00] Sometimes the carrot works better than the stick and this is what we're

[1:11:04] proposing is a is a carrot to be able to get compliance rather than

[1:11:08] a punishment stick. So, and it's worked. So,

[1:11:11] » And we're doing this because the state has asked us.

[1:11:14] » The state has asked us to have >> They have [cough and clears throat]

[1:11:17] asked us to to try to work for affordable housing and and some of that

[1:11:23] comes into the requirements for ADUs and while they haven't specifically asked us

[1:11:29] to to put a $100 incentive in, they have asked us

[1:11:33] to find ways to to get more housing and and more affordable

[1:11:40] and ADUs are

[1:11:43] are allowed by by state code.

[1:11:47] So, we're trying to find the carrot and they've asked us to do carrots and

[1:11:51] sticks and so we are well within what the state is

[1:11:55] asking us to do, but maybe not directly exactly that this is what they have. We

[1:12:00] have some guideline and this is what we're

[1:12:02] trying to propose within that. >> So, this helps us get to our

[1:12:07] affordable housing commitments. Okay.

[1:12:11] » It's a tool. >> It's a tool.

[1:12:14] I like tools. >> [laughter]

[1:12:16] » Okay. So, we need a

[1:12:21] a motion on this. If somebody would make one.

[1:12:27] » Can I see the motion number?

[1:12:30] » Yes. We need a motion on this to take action.

[1:12:36] To approve the ordinance. >> I'll make a motion that we approve

[1:12:43] ordinance >> ordinance 10-2026

[1:12:47] PCC 10-12 three and four amendments to extend

[1:12:52] the sunset on the IADU or ADU um

[1:12:59] » reward >> Yeah, reward, sure.

[1:13:03] » [laughter] >> Incentive, that's a good word. Let's go

[1:13:05] with incentive. Okay. >> So, we have a motion.

[1:13:08] » Second. >> And a second.

[1:13:11] Further discussion. All in favor.

[1:13:14] » Aye. >> Aye.

[1:13:16] » Brent.

[1:13:19] » Aye. >> Thank you.

[1:13:22] Motion passes. Um

[1:13:25] We'll close item number 10 and go to item number 11. This is a swimming pool

[1:13:29] fence regulation amendment. Provident City Council review, discuss,

[1:13:33] and may take action on the ordinance regarding proposed amendments

[1:13:37] to PCC 5-4-7 Resident application is requesting a

[1:13:44] change to the city code to allow a waiver of the perimeter fence

[1:13:48] requirement when a specific pool cover is installed.

[1:13:55] So, um

[1:13:59] who wants to take this?

[1:14:03] » I think the applicant is I think the applicant has a chance.

[1:14:06] Maybe she has some more to say. I I don't know that I have anything more

[1:14:10] from my side. The staff

[1:14:13] I think the staff uh is fine with what has been said, but if she wants to say

[1:14:17] more I that's fine with us. >> You don't have to, but if if there's

[1:14:22] something else you want to add to it. >> want to make sure the retroactive's

[1:14:25] understood why I'm pushing for it cuz it's not just affecting me. There's

[1:14:28] dozens of pools. And I think it would just make it more, like I said, equal

[1:14:34] just to if you have this certain cover you're good. Just and then move forward.

[1:14:39] I don't That's it. >> Thank you.

[1:14:42] » And just to to balance the comment the staff supposed to a retroactive, but

[1:14:48] um we're fine with whatever you do on the

[1:14:50] other one. The retroactive creates a administrative

[1:14:55] paradox. It creates a problem because any citations that have been gone would

[1:15:00] then be reversible. Any Any action that has been

[1:15:04] We would prefer that to go to the judge to to have the ability to take those

[1:15:09] case by case and and settle that as as that goes. So

[1:15:13] » Well, it's a precedent. >> Yeah, and and we have varying laws

[1:15:17] all the time and we we we administrate administrate that all

[1:15:22] the time. So that's not really a an issue for us. So

[1:15:26] » Okay. So

[1:15:30] um you want to discuss first? You want to

[1:15:34] Do you have any comments or >> I have a legal question.

[1:15:38] Um with our with our city code we can be

[1:15:43] more restrictive but not less restrictive than state code. Did I say

[1:15:46] that right or did I reverse the order? >> Yeah.

[1:15:49] » Okay. So um

[1:15:56] the timeline on which the state adopted their regulations shouldn't have

[1:16:03] bearing on something more restrictive. Is that

[1:16:07] » That that is correct. >> Okay.

[1:16:12] Say that again. The Can you say it again?

[1:16:16] The the timeline that the state adopted their regulations

[1:16:22] for the ASTM F130 1346 certified safety covers

[1:16:28] um if our code is more restrictive than

[1:16:32] that

[1:16:35] it it's not

[1:16:38] uh how do I say that? It doesn't affect the timeline that the

[1:16:42] state adopted their code. >> Okay.

[1:16:47] Okay.

[1:16:50] » Can I comment? >> Comments?

[1:16:52] » Let's just maybe comments and questions. So, I I look in terms of the idea of the

[1:16:57] fence is to protect outsider kids from wandering in there, right? So, the

[1:17:03] purpose of the cover is to do the same thing.

[1:17:07] Um Now, if somebody's gate

[1:17:12] is left open, I know they're supposed to automatically close, but

[1:17:17] people have ways of holding them open. And that gate is left open, there can be

[1:17:21] a and there there's no adult supervision and a kid wanders in there and and gets

[1:17:26] into the pool who shouldn't and there's a tragedy.

[1:17:30] Um there's a uh a liability with that.

[1:17:34] Um perhaps there's even fines if uh uh someone sees it open and

[1:17:41] they get turned in or whatever you call it.

[1:17:44] So, with a the cover

[1:17:49] if my 10-year-old kid decides to go out

[1:17:52] swimming and knows the combination of the lock, has a key, or knows the code

[1:17:57] and opens it up and swims for a while and then comes in the house and goes to

[1:18:00] the bathroom, gets a drink, says, "You know what? I'd like a sandwich." and

[1:18:03] makes a sandwich and then sits there and eats it. In the meantime, it's uncovered

[1:18:06] and some a 4-year-old walks in, sees that a

[1:18:09] tempting pool, walks over there, falls in the water, drowns.

[1:18:14] Um there's a challenge there. It's tragedy. Um

[1:18:21] I don't know what the laws are regarding that, who regulates to make sure that

[1:18:25] it's covered when there's no adult supervision if that's what the intent

[1:18:28] is. Who uh make sure that nothing

[1:18:32] happens because it's now an open pool with no barrier

[1:18:38] at all. So, I'm a little concerned about

[1:18:42] liability with that, not just for the uh

[1:18:45] the pool owner, but for the city allowing it.

[1:18:48] Have there been issues? I I would like to know a little bit more about it.

[1:18:53] » We have Shariq here. Can ask him.

[1:19:07] » It certainly could be a liability issue for the homeowner. Um

[1:19:11] although so would the maintenance of their fence

[1:19:14] or whatever um protective measure they're taking be

[1:19:22] Where it is authorized under state code to be allowed permissible

[1:19:27] um and the concept is a pool cover that does meet the

[1:19:34] the safety requirements.

[1:19:37] I would be hard-pressed to find a way that the city could be liable for

[1:19:43] allowing something that's the state allows as a safety measure.

[1:19:48] Um but it it's

[1:19:50] a worthwhile concept to consider because we can be more restrictive still. Um but

[1:19:56] I don't think that it's a liability issue for the city.

[1:19:59] » Okay. I was just want to make sure that >> [clears throat]

[1:20:02] » The other thought I had was if we um

[1:20:07] » [sighs] >> I struggle when

[1:20:11] people follow the ordinance or the codes that we have when they build

[1:20:17] and then they don't follow a portion of it and put it off, put it off, put it

[1:20:20] off, and put it off and then want to change or amend an

[1:20:25] ordinance so that they don't have to follow it when that could have been done

[1:20:28] or should have been done however many years ago when the pool was put in. I

[1:20:33] struggle with that a little bit. Um it seems like it's

[1:20:37] um I don't have to. City won't do anything. I won't do I don't have to

[1:20:41] worry about that. Until the city says, "Okay, we're tired of waiting."

[1:20:45] And then they try to fight it a different way.

[1:20:49] So, it's a little bit frustrating for me, and I don't mean offense by that. I

[1:20:52] understand it. >> I get that.

[1:20:55] Cache County's ordinance is the same as the state of

[1:20:59] Utah's. So, I think there's some disconnect there where we rely Don't we

[1:21:03] rely on Cache County inspectors for Providence? So, I just think there's a

[1:21:08] disconnect and a misunderstanding. It's not like trying to um skirt any

[1:21:15] responsibility. It was just this is what Cache County We were told by Cache

[1:21:19] County inspectors. And then so, that's that's why I feel

[1:21:23] » find out till later after it was your pool was in that Providence City was

[1:21:27] going to have an issue with it. Is that what you're saying? Okay.

[1:21:29] » I understand. >> And you talk to anyone that installs

[1:21:32] these covers and they say the same And I know you can't rely on a you know, a

[1:21:36] contractor, but the inspector from it's just a disconnect with Providence

[1:21:41] and Cache County. >> Didn't you have to have a building

[1:21:43] permit to do that? >> Uh

[1:21:45] » To put your pool in? >> It was I think it was under when we did

[1:21:49] our house. Honestly, I didn't I would have to check.

[1:21:52] » Yes, they do have to have a building permit for the pool. They may have

[1:21:56] combined all of the zoning and permitting at the same time. But, they

[1:22:00] do have to have a building permit for a pool.

[1:22:02] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:22:06] » And the building permit would spell out local rules, I imagine, or

[1:22:10] » The zoning clearance would specify local rules. So, they would have had to go

[1:22:14] through a zoning clearance as well. Which would have identified I'd have uh

[1:22:19] would have identified those. >> That's why we went to the unified code

[1:22:25] so that >> Right.

[1:22:26] » factor doesn't have to know 25 different >> It's also the responsibility of

[1:22:32] the the contractor to follow city code.

[1:22:37] » We've dealt with issues with this with retaining walls in the past, too.

[1:22:42] Closer. I'm going to have to climb up on the desk, you guys.

[1:22:45] » Or you can yell. >> I can yell.

[1:22:48] » Maybe Brent will stretch his >> Will Brent stretch? That is closer.

[1:22:52] I feel like this is >> than yours is.

[1:23:00] » Okay.

[1:23:03] Does anybody else have any comments or >> Just one more thing that the um

[1:23:08] uh I understand the idea of making it retroactive.

[1:23:13] If we don't make it retroactive, what does

[1:23:17] that do as far as the responsibility of the homeowner?

[1:23:22] Um because they've already got it and they don't have a fence. Does Does the

[1:23:25] fence go become Installing a fence become retroactive? Is that something

[1:23:30] that the homeowner can take up in in before a judge?

[1:23:35] What's the course at that point? >> I would think that could be adjudicated

[1:23:39] right at before a judge and they could say the rule changed and let's look at

[1:23:44] it. >> Yeah, at that point the judge could and

[1:23:46] I I would say that, but I believe the judge could if there was a citation,

[1:23:51] they could issue it with prejudice and and then we couldn't go back to

[1:23:55] the site again. At that point, if it's if

[1:23:58] it's released with prejudiced, then we can't we can't do it, right?

[1:24:02] That's Is that accurate?

[1:24:11] » So, just to walk through through it briefly, a

[1:24:16] if something is legalized during the pendency of an action, the action can

[1:24:24] still be prosecuted normally outside of making it retroactively le-

[1:24:29] legal, uh especially for an administrative

[1:24:33] violation, and the judge can decide base or even the prosecuting body

[1:24:40] can decide under their discretion whether subject the legal change they

[1:24:45] decide that it should be dismissed or

[1:24:50] if it they find that it's been more of a willful violation that's gone on for

[1:24:54] years and kind of what the council member was alluding to that

[1:25:01] it appears that this is just pushing against the city, pushing, push, and

[1:25:05] then finally a citation has come up and I, "Okay, I need to fight this somewhere

[1:25:08] else cuz I'm going to lose at court because

[1:25:11] I've obviously not put up my fence that I've been notified about." Um

[1:25:17] that the court can take that into consider- It's more on the judicial

[1:25:23] branch of the city um

[1:25:26] to be making those decisions even if the law changes

[1:25:31] unless the council tries to bind the judiciary's hands by making it

[1:25:37] retroactive. >> Thank you.

[1:25:44] » So, if those cases are dropped or let go, then

[1:25:47] it effectively makes that retroactive at least for the person that's in process

[1:25:51] of of being prosecuted or or >> It would make it future prosecution or

[1:25:56] future wouldn't wouldn't be there. It wouldn't change if they had had a

[1:26:00] previous penalty or previous something done. It would make future prosecution

[1:26:05] of it. >> Right. So, it's not

[1:26:06] » Right. >> Okay.

[1:26:10] » Which that's how pretty much all of our code adoptions work. They you're you're

[1:26:14] grandfathered in before the date of adoption.

[1:26:17] And even with a building permit, if we are massaging code and adjusting things,

[1:26:23] if you've had your building permit issued, that's the code that you're held

[1:26:26] to. You don't get to change to what's been adopted in process.

[1:26:32] Right? I mean so

[1:26:36] » I'm I'm ready to make a motion if you want.

[1:26:38] » Okay. Um I was asked Brent. Brent, do you have

[1:26:42] anything you want to say?

[1:26:48] You have to unmute. >> It's been very hard for me to hear

[1:26:52] what's been said. But I I feel that uh the code up to this point was the code.

[1:27:00] And uh anybody participating in any event that has the regulations in

[1:27:05] Providence that needs to make sure they understand

[1:27:08] and follow the code. Uh where we go from this point

[1:27:13] I don't uh have any direction other than I don't know what Ryan has said if they

[1:27:19] received a citation then it becomes an issue where they have a chance to

[1:27:25] resolve it with a judge. And I mean, knowing the code has changed

[1:27:31] if the judge would allow a locking cover with a lower putting in a fence at this

[1:27:36] point in time that would be the decision that he makes and it's not we're not

[1:27:42] blanketly saying well, let's make this retroactive

[1:27:47] nobody else uh or nobody in the city had to worry about it after this time.

[1:27:52] I think we need to look at it kind of on a

[1:27:55] on [clears throat] a basis of uh

[1:27:58] that's that's my basis. >> Okay.

[1:28:03] So, Janelle's ready to make a motion. >> I'll make a motion that we adopt

[1:28:09] ordinance 08-2026 PCC 5-4-7 swimming pool fence

[1:28:14] regulations amendments to be in line with state code.

[1:28:18] Um uh

[1:28:20] omitting the retroactive language in the ordinance

[1:28:24] um and letting that be

[1:28:27] judicially handled. Okay, so we have

[1:28:32] » resolve any ambiguity issues. >> Do we have a motion a second? We have a

[1:28:35] motion. >> I will second that with that

[1:28:39] uh change. >> Okay.

[1:28:41] So we have a motion and a second. Any discussion?

[1:28:46] Brent? >> No no more discussion.

[1:28:49] » Okay. All in favor?

[1:28:52] » Aye. >> Aye.

[1:28:54] » Okay. Motion carries.

[1:28:59] Thank you for going through the process.

[1:29:03] Um we'll close that item and go to item number 12.

[1:29:10] Moving right along. Um item number 12 is resolution 04-2026

[1:29:17] non-binding library ballot question. Providence City Council review, discuss,

[1:29:22] and may take action on a resolution requesting a non-binding vote ballot

[1:29:27] question on the 2026 election to assess

[1:29:31] support of for a property tax increase to fund the city library.

[1:29:37] So Ryan?

[1:29:41] » I don't want to cover that.

[1:29:44] » I mean we've talked about it the last meeting and

[1:29:47] we've come to the resolution. This is what the county needs in order to put

[1:29:50] this on the ballot come fall. Um preferably before July 31st, so the

[1:29:55] sooner the better. I'll get this into their hands if you guys approve it. If

[1:29:58] you like the language, this is what uh we came up with with our city attorney.

[1:30:03] Um and and from there.

[1:30:14] » Okay. So,

[1:30:17] um I'll entertain a motion.

[1:30:21] » I'll make a motion. >> Okay.

[1:30:23] » Um a motion that we approve item number 12 resolution

[1:30:27] 04-2026 non-binding library ballot question.

[1:30:32] » Okay. We have a motion. Do we have a second?

[1:30:38] » Actually, yes. I second that. >> Okay.

[1:30:41] We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion?

[1:30:47] » Um I'm okay to massage the language a little bit myself, but

[1:30:55] » You want to suggest some changes to it?

[1:31:00] » Yeah, I mean, do you think that it's necessary to add all of the language

[1:31:05] about maintenance staffing improvements? Um

[1:31:10] Does that make the question cumbersome? Or should we just simplify it and say,

[1:31:16] "Shall Providence City fund and operate a city public library by levying a

[1:31:19] property tax estimated at about 50 you know, with an

[1:31:24] estimated tax of $55 per year, roughly $4.60 per month

[1:31:31] for a home with a 5,000 500,000 market value?"

[1:31:36] And ask if they're for or against that. >> Can you change for or against? Or does

[1:31:41] it have to be yes or no? >> I think the ballot reads for or against,

[1:31:44] usually. Doesn't it? >> Yes.

[1:31:49] I don't know if that's statute if it has to be that way.

[1:31:54] But that's how they that that's the normal nomenclature for

[1:31:58] it. >> So, Janelle, your your concern is that

[1:32:00] you're we're just putting a lot of extra words in there that it might make people

[1:32:04] a little confused about it or >> Yeah, I mean I think that the the more

[1:32:10] simple the statement you know, the more direct it is to the

[1:32:13] public, but

[1:32:17] I'm fine with making that change, but >> Yeah.

[1:32:21] » Anybody? >> Yeah, I mean I made the motion

[1:32:25] to approve as it is, but I I think also the simpler

[1:32:30] the simpler the better is

[1:32:32] also fine with me as long as what

[1:32:38] do we think legally that we have to have all of that like

[1:32:42] you asked? I don't know what the >> Do you think we need to add any context

[1:32:46] to the question? That the county's planning to end

[1:32:49] funding for the library and for Providence to

[1:32:54] have a dedicated library. Do we need I mean

[1:32:58] I feel like sometimes we make the assumption that everybody knows why

[1:33:02] we're proposing a property tax because we're up we're up to our eyeballs in the

[1:33:07] issue sometimes, but maybe adding some context to the

[1:33:11] question might be helpful as well. >> So, something like due to the cessation

[1:33:16] of funding by the county by Cache County

[1:33:21] should Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy to fund the

[1:33:25] operation of

[1:33:28] a city public library

[1:33:32] which is estimated to cost the owner of a primary residence with fair market

[1:33:36] value just to the end there. Would something like that work for you?

[1:33:39] What do you think? >> Yeah, I mean I don't think we need to

[1:33:43] put in the fair market value language, but

[1:33:47] But so do we do we need to

[1:33:50] okay the concept and we can massage the but

[1:33:55] » I think Mayor Drew had a question if you >> Mayor.

[1:34:03] » Um just a suggestion. Uh This raises a Janelle raises a good

[1:34:08] point. Um

[1:34:11] I know in in the past ballots have had Sorry about that. I'm It's been a while.

[1:34:17] Um Ballots have information booklets that

[1:34:21] come with the ballot and it's got candi- Sometimes they have candidate statements

[1:34:25] and when there's an issue on the ballot, it explains the issue.

[1:34:29] I think it leaves a lot out when you just say one sentence and it says,

[1:34:33] "Well, the county's dropped funding." Um

[1:34:37] I don't know and I don't know if you could put a QR code on the ballot and

[1:34:40] say for more information, you know, go to this or link or go to this scan this

[1:34:46] QR code. Just so it would explain

[1:34:49] you know, the issue the council is dealing with and is asking the voters

[1:34:54] for advice on. >> Okay. Thank you for the feedback.

[1:35:02] Okay. What does everybody think?

[1:35:07] » Do you know if that is a possibility? >> Um I do not know, but they did say

[1:35:12] however it does need to be kept simple as if if we do go on to a second page,

[1:35:18] it's going to cost quite a bit. So, they want it just to be a a

[1:35:22] statement as it's as

[1:35:26] we're discussing, but the more we add to it

[1:35:28] if there's a possibility for a second page

[1:35:32] then they're going to charge us a lot.

[1:35:35] » But but just is adding a link a possibility to to go to

[1:35:39] where people can see something you know, in more detail and more

[1:35:43] spelled out than we can put on the ballot question itself.

[1:35:48] » Not that I'm aware of. I mean, we could include it in the question for more

[1:35:52] information go to provincetown-ma.gov and we can have a dedicated webpage

[1:35:57] um that explains what's going on. >> I thought the city had to be neutral,

[1:36:02] but we couldn't really like do that.

[1:36:05] » You can't advertise for or against. >> But if we're just providing information

[1:36:10] » But if we keep it factual and just >> for or against the tax or the against

[1:36:13] it, just >> Yeah.

[1:36:15] » the why.

[1:36:18] » I think the fact that it if you give the information,

[1:36:22] this is what we're asking. Do you want to raise the tax this much or not?

[1:36:28] That's really the question.

[1:36:32] And the more we put in there, the then the more we have to add more explanation

[1:36:36] we have to add on top of that.

[1:36:44] So.

[1:36:48] » Your motion. >> Um.

[1:36:49] So, yes, add context or no?

[1:36:55] » What are your thoughts? I I like it better when things are more

[1:37:00] explained and spelled out specifically to people

[1:37:04] because like you said we've been in this for some months

[1:37:07] thinking it over and over and over and and we've had hundreds of comments come

[1:37:12] in and surveys and we feel like sure, everybody knows what's going on, but

[1:37:16] maybe everyone doesn't know what's going on and maybe we need to to add context

[1:37:21] and add add the background story, but I I agree we need to be careful to not

[1:37:25] make it sound like we're we're advertising a a specific position.

[1:37:36] » Um.

[1:37:40] » And then if you want to simplify this language

[1:37:44] » Your mic doesn't work very well. >> Are you still thinking you want to

[1:37:47] simplify the language as it's written?

[1:37:52] » Yeah, I I think it the simpler the better.

[1:37:55] And adding a brief statement of context, but I also think some of that might be

[1:38:01] established in the I feel like don't they allow one letter for and one

[1:38:06] against in the information pamphlet?

[1:38:10] Is that true? >> For a referendum or an initiative.

[1:38:15] » This will have an information pamphlet. >> I think my non-binding probably doesn't

[1:38:20] give us that. >> [clears throat]

[1:38:23] » Nine non-binding does not give us then we should probably have context.

[1:38:30] And I don't I don't know that we can you really add a link to a ballot?

[1:38:35] Is that done?

[1:38:40] I've never seen that ever in all of my years of voting.

[1:38:43] » Well, I just thought it was an interesting idea cuz then we could

[1:38:46] go without the expense.

[1:38:48] » But actually people should do their homework before they get to the

[1:38:53] to voting.

[1:38:55] » They check the box and move on. >> Yeah.

[1:38:58] » Without the homework part. >> That's true.

[1:39:01] Well, I mean given that because it's a non-binding vote, letters are not

[1:39:07] um included in those. Is that correct, Ty? No No letters in a non-binding vote.

[1:39:12] » They have no >> Okay.

[1:39:15] I do think it would be helpful to give the public context. And if

[1:39:21] I don't know, a link just sounds so weird on the ballot.

[1:39:24] What do you guys think of that? Do you think that's something we can do or not

[1:39:27] do? >> Then how would we do it? Well,

[1:39:33] some of that's been in newsletters and things like that already, but do we just

[1:39:36] double up in that month before the ballot goes out,

[1:39:40] say you're going to be getting a ballot with

[1:39:44] asking this question or something similar and

[1:39:46] » not want to put us in an intersection that maybe we're trying to lobby for one

[1:39:50] or the other. >> Yeah, well, I'm just saying keep it

[1:39:53] fact-based and not position-based.

[1:39:57] » So, what would you want in there basically?

[1:39:59] I'm guessing uh a little history, why how we came to this point.

[1:40:04] And then what?

[1:40:07] » That's kind of what I thought you know I was alluding to with with

[1:40:12] It doesn't say that that the county is ceasing funding. It doesn't say

[1:40:16] Is that what you meant by when you kind of started down that path?

[1:40:21] » Give context, so.

[1:40:27] Is it appropriate to ask the public if they what they think is clear or not

[1:40:31] clear? >> [laughter]

[1:40:34] » Um we've got to turn this in, too. We've got a deadline to get it in.

[1:40:37] » No, I mean just to get I'm on the topic, but

[1:40:41] » Shariq. Come on over to this mic here.

[1:40:49] » I I'll start with a really quick disclosure on this topic. I actually

[1:40:54] serve on the Richmond City Library Board. So, I'm not counseling

[1:40:59] any direction. I'm also a city employee. But

[1:41:03] uh here. But

[1:41:07] where the resolution already includes the whereases for why

[1:41:13] the question would be raised if this were to pass.

[1:41:17] I think that it would make sense to say

[1:41:21] as the county library is closing, comma should

[1:41:28] and then go ahead with the question. It adds maybe four words and gives at least

[1:41:32] enough context that >> Clarification.

[1:41:35] » someone reading it would know why they're voting on a new library,

[1:41:38] especially if Providence doesn't have one.

[1:41:42] » So, at since as the the county library is closing, and then this.

[1:41:51] That gives some context. >> Yeah.

[1:41:53] I mean, that makes sense. >> simple.

[1:41:55] » It's simple. >> And would you still want to strike the

[1:41:59] operation, maintenance, staffing language?

[1:42:05] » Well, when you run a business or run anything,

[1:42:08] operation, >> Right.

[1:42:09] » staffing. >> Well.

[1:42:10] » I mean, I guess that's a reflection that it's comprehensive

[1:42:14] um funding

[1:42:17] that covers all of those portions, whereas

[1:42:20] the previous functioning of the county

[1:42:23] library, we covered um like maintenance of the building, and

[1:42:28] they covered staffing. So, I guess this does delineate that all of the services

[1:42:34] will be taken over by the city. There's not like a share, like a cost share

[1:42:40] involved in any of that. Well, let's say all services, that's easy to say without

[1:42:45] without listing them out.

[1:42:49] We could say that. Whereas the county library is closing,

[1:42:54] shall should Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy

[1:42:59] to fund all services of a city public library,

[1:43:05] which is estimated to cost

[1:43:09] the homeowner with a home of this value this much money?

[1:43:14] I mean, we could break it down and add add what that would be monthly, if you

[1:43:19] think that's helpful, but

[1:43:22] people can divide by four. >> divide that.

[1:43:26] » [laughter] [clears throat]

[1:43:31] » Okay. Do Do we have that then? >> Yeah.

[1:43:35] » Okay. >> So, I'll amend my motion.

[1:43:36] » motion. >> I'll amend my motion that the language

[1:43:39] should say as the county library is closing, should

[1:43:44] Providence City consider imposing a new property tax levy to fund all related

[1:43:48] library services, which is estimated to cost the owner of

[1:43:51] a primary residence with fair market value of $500,000, approximately $55.30

[1:43:56] per year.

[1:44:00] » Okay, we have a motion. We have a second?

[1:44:05] » I'll second that. >> Okay.

[1:44:06] » Or do I second? >> I second it.

[1:44:10] » Do I second the amendment or

[1:44:14] » I can re-second that. I can re-second that. I will second

[1:44:18] that. >> Okay, we have a motion.

[1:44:22] Did we do this properly?

[1:44:27] Okay. We have a motion and a second. Any

[1:44:30] further discussion? All in favor?

[1:44:33] » I. >> I.

[1:44:35] » I. >> Thank you. Motion carried.

[1:44:41] » [laughter] >> We're getting a missionary homecoming.

[1:44:47] » Can we yell congratulations or something?

[1:44:50] » [laughter] >> Welcome home.

[1:44:53] Okay. >> He got one and it was pretty exciting.

[1:44:57] We're happy to have him back. Okay. I'm going to

[1:45:01] I'll go mute. >> Okay, thank you.

[1:45:05] Um Let's move to We'll close item 12 and go

[1:45:09] to 13. Just Serve City Designation Proclamation. This is just a

[1:45:13] proclamation.

[1:45:17] And we need to take some action in order to do it. And David, this is yours. Do

[1:45:21] you want to explain? >> This is

[1:45:24] » Sure. Um Well, the last couple of years serving

[1:45:28] on the council, I've been a part of uh my responsibility is is projects on

[1:45:33] the Just Serve website, and we've had a lot of good success with

[1:45:38] that and a lot of volunteers, and it's kind of

[1:45:42] heartening to see the the number of volunteers that have come out even from

[1:45:45] other cities and businesses both in and out of the city that have wanted to do

[1:45:50] projects here and and help make our city a better place, and

[1:45:54] um we've had youth groups, we've had

[1:45:58] just individual people on their own, so all all kinds of uh volunteers. So,

[1:46:05] I as I've been in touch with the Just Serve organization and representatives,

[1:46:10] they have suggested that we become a Just Serve city and and offered uh

[1:46:15] language in a proclamation that the mayor

[1:46:18] to do that. Um I think it just goes

[1:46:22] in conjunction with uh the service that's already been rendered and and

[1:46:26] hopefully adding and expanding to that and making

[1:46:30] uh having more projects in the future and and just recognizing

[1:46:34] the work that's been done here of through our residents and

[1:46:38] and then we'll be able to see that work move forward and and

[1:46:44] I think that's about it. That's the the gist of it.

[1:46:47] » The National League of Cities is promoting this as well

[1:46:51] to have cities have this designation so that people know that we're service

[1:46:55] oriented, so >> Yeah, and I hate hate to [clears throat]

[1:46:58] admit, but we're not the first in the county that has done this, so there's a

[1:47:01] couple of other cities that are already Just Serve cities, and that's okay,

[1:47:04] we'll follow right along. >> don't want to be last.

[1:47:07] » Yeah, if we're not last, then >> [laughter]

[1:47:10] » then we're okay, but >> Okay.

[1:47:12] » I've been excited to do those projects, and I I have gone on

[1:47:16] city tours with Ryan, and he's been helpful to point out

[1:47:19] things that need a little help, and and we put those up as they've come in. So,

[1:47:23] that's been very helpful, too. >> Good.

[1:47:26] » Okay, so I'll entertain a motion.

[1:47:31] » I will make a motion that we um accept the Just Serve City designation

[1:47:38] proclamation commitment to volunteerism in Providence City.

[1:47:42] » Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second?

[1:47:45] » I will second that. >> Okay, we have a motion and a second for

[1:47:49] the discussion. All in favor.

[1:47:52] » I. >> I.

[1:47:54] » I.

[1:48:02] » I. >> Okay, thank you. Motion carries.

[1:48:05] » [laughter] >> I think it's a party.

[1:48:10] Okay, so that completes our agenda

[1:48:15] tonight um for items. Uh we don't have any study items, no

[1:48:21] other business or plans. Um this is a point where I would allow

[1:48:26] public comment for anything that is not does not have to do with the items on

[1:48:31] the agenda. So, if there's anyone who would like to

[1:48:34] make comment, I would be willing to take that.

[1:48:40] We need your name. >> My name is Autumn Matthews. I'm from

[1:48:44] Logan, but tonight I'm here as a representative of Cash Water District. I

[1:48:48] just want to make you guys aware of two programs. One is through the state and

[1:48:52] one is through us. Uh the first is the landscape incentive program. I'm sure

[1:48:56] you've heard of it. It's not a new program. However, um it's just a program

[1:49:01] that will allow your residents to be eligible for a rebate of $2 per square

[1:49:05] foot of lawn that they rip out and install water-efficient landscaping.

[1:49:09] This does require you guys to adopt and water-wise ordinances that affects new

[1:49:14] builds and will only affect the front yards of any residential homes that you

[1:49:20] put in. Um there are some other minimum ordinance requirements. There will be no

[1:49:24] lawn in new This is all new development. Park strips, no lawn in areas less than

[1:49:29] 8 ft in width. That just provides that the turf is functional. Um no more than

[1:49:34] 50% of front and side yard landscaped areas in new resi- residential

[1:49:39] developments may be lawn. That's again, this is only affecting new residential

[1:49:43] developments. Um and then in a new commercial and industrial,

[1:49:46] institutional, and multi-family development common areas, the lawns

[1:49:51] shall not exceed 20% of the total landscaped area outside of active

[1:49:55] recreation areas. >> Move this down by your mouth.

[1:49:57] » Thank you. >> You have to just practically eat these

[1:50:00] mics. >> Yeah.

[1:50:01] » Thank you. >> Um but yes, so if it's functional turf,

[1:50:04] we do want it to stay if it's being utilized.

[1:50:07] Uh however, that's kind of that program. The other program you guys don't have to

[1:50:12] adopt any ordinances and it is our spring grass reseeding program. I do

[1:50:15] have flyers for everyone. However, I am one short on the landscape. There's only

[1:50:19] four of them. Um but it's our spring grass reseeding.

[1:50:22] You don't have to reseed uh a bare spot. You don't have to rip out your lawn. It

[1:50:27] is a water-wise grass grass initiative um for all Cache County residents. This

[1:50:32] provides water-wise grass seed at a discounted price of $3.50 per pound.

[1:50:37] Normally, it's 7 lb or $7 per pound, so it's half off.

[1:50:42] Uh this grass is supposed to, depending on how our

[1:50:47] residents water and that's where our side comes in with education, cut back

[1:50:51] on water anywhere from 30 to 50% of a water usage in a residential home or

[1:50:58] even a city property. Um it is available to cities as well if you guys are

[1:51:02] looking to change out some grass to be more

[1:51:05] water-wise, especially in a year like this. However, um we just are asking

[1:51:09] that you guys spread awareness of this program as it's a it's a drought year

[1:51:14] and we don't see that um not recurring again. So, we're just

[1:51:19] trying to save water in the landscape um in Cache County and we appreciate you

[1:51:24] guys and all you >> And this is available for people to like

[1:51:28] go pick up? >> Yep. Yep, so it's through Anderson Seed

[1:51:30] and Garden. Uh you fill out a form. We ask that you do join a water city. It's

[1:51:34] optional whether or not you send in your water bills. If you're on secondary, we

[1:51:38] don't ask that you do, but if you're willing to help us water savings in the

[1:51:43] um we will ask for those. We just have your name, you'll get a coupon code, and

[1:51:47] then you'll go to Anderson Seed and Garden and pick up how much you would

[1:51:50] like. There's no end limit. We've had people um apply for 13 acres of this

[1:51:55] grass seed, which is a lot of grass seed and then we've had

[1:51:59] people apply for 50 square feet as well. So, it just kind of depends on what your

[1:52:03] needs are. If you're looking to reseed spots in your lawn, um that's also

[1:52:08] something that we can do. So. Um but we appreciate all you guys do.

[1:52:12] It's a hard job to be on a city council and we appreciate it.

[1:52:16] » Make hard decisions. >> Someone I can hand these to.

[1:52:19] » Just hand them to >> Thanks, Brian.

[1:52:24] » Thanks for sitting through all this to give us that information.

[1:52:30] Um we have a question. >> Oh, yes.

[1:52:32] Sorry. >> Come on up.

[1:52:33] » Um those conditions for the landscape

[1:52:36] incentive, are those recently updated? I feel like we've reviewed

[1:52:40] » these in the >> They're not. So, what the state's

[1:52:42] minimum requirements are the same as they were before, which is why we

[1:52:46] understand that this program is not a one-size-fits-all. As some cities are

[1:52:49] expanding, some cities aren't. However, I should have mentioned this, too. This

[1:52:53] last this past legislative session in February

[1:52:57] this year had did pass a bill. It was, I believe, House Bill 46 or 49. I should

[1:53:04] know that. But, um that mandates water-wise landscaping. However, it

[1:53:08] doesn't have any real teeth, and so, uh, the state has just asked us to push that

[1:53:12] program again and say, "Hey, it's here. Use it, um, if you're if it's right for

[1:53:17] your city." So. >> You said if you rip out grass, but this

[1:53:21] is only for new construction, so they wouldn't even have any grass to rip out.

[1:53:24] » Yes. >> So, so that I I guess I should clarify.

[1:53:27] So, the residential program that >> [clears throat]

[1:53:29] » it allows your residents to apply for, if they have existing grass, they would

[1:53:34] rip that out and they'd be able to get a rebate from the state for $2 and $2 a

[1:53:39] square foot of grass that they rip out and install waterwise landscaping. Those

[1:53:44] are very specific. The state manages all that. They have people who come out and

[1:53:48] check that, um, and preview the lawn beforehand,

[1:53:52] uh, just to say, "Yes, we do have one." However, the ordinances that you guys

[1:53:56] would adopt would be the ones affecting residential, um, new builds, and only

[1:54:01] new builds. And so, they they're not eligible for the program. It's just

[1:54:06] expanding with water in mind is kind of how the state has put it.

[1:54:11] » Thanks for that clarification, Chris. >> Thank you so much.

[1:54:13] » other questions? Okay. Sounds good.

[1:54:16] » Thank you.

[1:54:20] Okay. So,

[1:54:24] any other com- public comment? Okay.

[1:54:28] We'll close that portion of the meeting and go to staff reports.

[1:54:35] » Well, I I have a lot more time for a staff

[1:54:38] report than I thought I would, cuz I thought

[1:54:42] » [laughter]

[1:54:44] » I thought with that many agenda items, we wouldn't possibly have any

[1:54:48] » way we would be at this time of the night.

[1:54:50] » Um, so I I've planned to keep it fairly brief. Um, I

[1:54:55] will report on a couple of things. One, uh, water. Um, Um, we have implemented,

[1:55:03] a new metering system throughout the throughout the city

[1:55:07] and it's gone fairly well. We have identified numerous leaks, contacted

[1:55:12] those that that have them

[1:55:16] and and in the last I would say in the last 6 months that we've been doing

[1:55:20] this, uh, we've identified uh, numerous uh, locations and numerous

[1:55:27] items. I would say we're in the tens of millions of of gallons

[1:55:32] uh, of water saved through through leak detection

[1:55:35] um, and uh, we have some that have cut their

[1:55:38] water usage in half and um,

[1:55:42] you know, we we have made a significant progress through through a strategic

[1:55:47] process rather than broad restrictions and everybody, we've

[1:55:51] taken the approach of taking the top 25 to 50 users,

[1:55:55] uh, evaluating their their usage on a weekly basis

[1:55:59] um, and to identify uh, where leaks might be occurring and we've contacted

[1:56:04] them and many um,

[1:56:06] many have been very positive uh, to that they didn't know that they

[1:56:10] had a leak and they were able to fix it. We've had a lot of uh, we've had a lot

[1:56:14] of good response in in that approach. So, uh, I just report that back that's

[1:56:19] uh, success we're having. Um,

[1:56:22] we are uh, we we had a successful um,

[1:56:26] uh, cemetery clean up and we appreciate the help. Uh, we've had our cemetery

[1:56:31] sexton since our last meeting uh, retired and at

[1:56:36] 30 years of service, uh, we certainly appreciate his service

[1:56:40] um, and we are looking to to fill positions and and move things around to

[1:56:45] to fill those um, fill that staffing. So, we have a couple

[1:56:49] of temporary staffing that we've brought on from Kelly Temp Services that we're

[1:56:54] filling that with and then we'll have uh work towards a permanent

[1:56:59] uh, filling of of our of our staff vacancies. So,

[1:57:03] um anyway, I think we've we've put in

[1:57:07] sidewalk on 4th South. We've kind of finished the dirt side of the trail. We

[1:57:11] are waiting uh for uh some signage. That's why the

[1:57:15] trail hasn't officially opened uh because we're waiting for some signage.

[1:57:19] Uh we are working on the pedestrian activated lights. We're working

[1:57:23] um on several different fronts to

[1:57:26] be able to to improve where we can and and to

[1:57:29] continue following uh those plans that you've laid out for us. So, um anything

[1:57:36] Ty, you have anything specific? Okay. Um that's that's our brief report

[1:57:42] and we'll make it before 8:00. >> We're setting some precedents here.

[1:57:47] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[1:57:49] Um so, we will end

[1:57:54] um staff reports. Um this time

[1:57:59] the council needs to go into a closed session. So, we need a motion to go to

[1:58:06] end this meeting and go into a closed session.

[1:58:10] » The purpose is to discuss the purchasing of property to

[1:58:13] » Right. I didn't I didn't say that. >> That's right. I just wanted to call it

[1:58:16] out and make sure the public knows. That's fine.

[1:58:20] » So, at this time we'll excuse everyone in the room and

[1:58:24] going to our closed session as soon as we have a

[1:58:27] » We'll make a motion we go into closed session.

[1:58:30] » Okay.

City Council Meeting 6/17/2026

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