[5:35] Go ahead and start recording.

[5:40] » Thank you, sir.

[5:47] Thanks for coming to T-Mac today, guys.

[5:49] Uh March 19th. Uh we've got a pretty

[5:53] nice agenda. I just want to do

[5:55] introductions real quick. I am Beth

[5:57] Province TAC chair.

[6:00] >> No Gordon, T-Mac member.

[6:02] >> Hello member Ashley.

[6:07] >> Joseph Gandandy with public works.

[6:10] David Keller, T-MAC. Now the central

[6:12] district

[6:15] >> body commission and T-MAC member

[6:22] » right

[6:25] team Nicholson public works.

[6:28] >> I'm Khan Shore with public works.

[6:38] » Is there anybody on

[6:40] Yeah, I don't know.

[6:43] >> We'll see.

[6:44] >> Okay, our first

[6:47] >> come with us. Come join us.

[6:50] >> Um our first action is an action item

[6:52] approving the minutes from last um

[6:58] time meeting February. February meeting.

[7:01] Yes. Thank you. Um so uh anybody have

[7:06] any changes that they want to make to

[7:08] the

[7:10] um from last time it was the MAG

[7:12] discussion very informative.

[7:18] Nobody wants any changes any like to

[7:20] approve the minutes from last time

[7:23] to approve the minutes.

[7:24] >> I'll second. Perfect. All in favor?

[7:28] >> Yep.

[7:29] >> Perfect. Okay. Uh, we have an annual

[7:31] training by Kahhan today. I don't even

[7:34] know where the annual training is.

[7:36] >> We're all surprised. This will be great.

[7:39] >> Yep. Well, I'll tell you this. I'm going

[7:42] to be training myself more than training

[7:43] you guys on this one. So,

[7:48] let's see here.

[7:50] So, for T-MAC code, we're required to

[7:53] have annual training. And this is what

[7:56] it basically goes over what T-MAC is,

[7:58] how often we can meet, what are some

[8:00] powers and duties of T-MAC, what are

[8:03] stuff we're allowed to discuss, what

[8:05] should be stuff that we should not be

[8:07] discussing, goes over the overall how

[8:10] meetings should be conducted on the

[8:12] quorum, how questions should be handled

[8:14] and just overall about the T-Mac itself.

[8:18] Um, so it is created by city code. Um it

[8:21] is an appointment appointed body. The

[8:24] mayor is the one that appoints the body

[8:26] or the the the T-MAC uh itself uh with

[8:30] the consent by the council. Uh right now

[8:32] we have seven members

[8:35] which by code we're allowed to have up

[8:37] to seven members um and also two members

[8:40] at larger alternatives. We do have two

[8:43] members at larger alternatives as well.

[8:45] So right now we're sitting at total nine

[8:47] members. Um so we don't have any

[8:50] vacancies on that end. Um there are five

[8:53] municipal council districts and and we

[8:56] got to have at least one member from

[8:57] each of those municipal council

[8:59] districts.

[9:00] Um at least one member should be a

[9:03] member of the planning commission. Um

[9:06] one member should be um representative

[9:08] of college level transportation academia

[9:11] and then one member should be

[9:13] representative of a business community

[9:15] oriented organization. Um, yes, we have

[9:18] David Ortado on that. And then a member

[9:21] from the municipal council should be

[9:23] appointed as a leazison to the T-mac. We

[9:26] usually have one or two at least. Um,

[9:29] this meeting looks like we do not have

[9:30] any, which is fine. Um,

[9:35] yes, they should be appointed and they

[9:38] should and as many as possible. uh a

[9:43] member of the city engineering division,

[9:45] a member of the police department and

[9:47] other applicable city staff shall be

[9:49] appointed to act as leaison to the T-MAC

[9:53] which we do have those as well.

[9:56] So T-MAC is not an elected body. It is

[10:00] not a final policy maker and it should

[10:03] not represent a constituencies.

[10:07] All the texts these are in our code. Um,

[10:11] I can provide the link to the website as

[10:13] well as I can send some PDFs discussing

[10:16] all of these powers and duties. I don't

[10:19] think I should be reading through all

[10:21] the duties, but you're more than welcome

[10:23] to read it on your own. And the PDF as

[10:26] well, the link that I'll submit or

[10:28] provide to the to the T-Mac members, you

[10:30] guys are more than welcome to read

[10:32] through that. Um,

[10:36] so basically it's a recommendation body.

[10:38] to recommend the adoption and alteration

[10:41] of all rules, regulation, and ordinances

[10:43] which it shall deem in the public

[10:45] interest and for the purposes of

[10:47] carrying out the objects of the Provo

[10:50] City Code as it relates to

[10:52] transportation and mobility. Uh

[10:54] determine and establish such rules and

[10:56] regulations for the conduct of the board

[10:58] as the members shall deem um advisable.

[11:02] Uh monitor the status of and make

[11:05] recommendations for amendments to the

[11:06] city's visioning documents. the general

[11:08] plan, transportation master plan, the

[11:10] major and local street plan, and any

[11:12] other documentation.

[11:15] Review regional, citywide, and

[11:16] significant local transportation

[11:18] mobility issues as they relate to and

[11:21] are affected by law and use policy,

[11:24] balancing the interests in and needs of

[11:26] people walking, walking, biking, riding,

[11:29] transit, and um driving delivery trucks

[11:32] and automobiles.

[11:34] provide recommendations to the mayor,

[11:36] municipal council, planning commission,

[11:38] and other city commissions and boards

[11:41] regarding the priority, funding, and

[11:44] design of capital improvement projects.

[11:47] Uh serve as a coordination body and

[11:50] resource for organizations interested in

[11:52] transportation and mobility issues

[11:54] affecting the city. Promote public

[11:56] education on transportation and mobility

[11:58] issues affecting the affecting the city

[12:00] and its residents.

[12:03] conflict of interest. So basically it

[12:07] what it does is they are T-MAC is

[12:11] subject to the municipal officers and

[12:13] employees ethics act. I will send you a

[12:16] document kind of going over and

[12:18] discussing what that act is. So you're

[12:20] more than welcome to look at that.

[12:23] Uh what are some of the actions that we

[12:25] should as TAC members should stay away

[12:27] from? They cannot disclose confidential

[12:30] information acquired by reason or of

[12:33] official position or use the information

[12:35] to secure special privileges. Cannot use

[12:38] or attempt to use official position to

[12:40] secure special privileges. Can cannot

[12:43] knowingly take, seek or solicit any gift

[12:45] or loan if it tends to influence the

[12:48] discharge of official duties.

[12:51] >> All the information in this meeting is

[12:53] considered public knowledge, right?

[12:55] Yes, we begin.

[12:59] >> We're going to cover that in a second.

[13:03] Yeah. So, it is a public meeting. Um the meeting is recorded. Public can

[13:08] access it. They can they're more than

[13:09] welcome to join in person via Zoom. Um

[13:13] they're more than welcome to comment.

[13:15] Not that they have to comment.

[13:18] What are some of the exceptions to

[13:20] conflict of interest? An occasional

[13:22] non-punerary gift having a value of less

[13:25] than 50. An award publicly presented.

[13:29] Any bonafidey um loan made in the

[13:31] ordinary course of business. Political

[13:34] campaign contributions actually used in

[13:37] a political campaign.

[13:40] Uh conflicts requiring disclosure.

[13:43] Basically any conflict that is not

[13:45] prohibited, you must disclose the

[13:48] conflict.

[13:50] um kind of talks about all possible

[13:54] conflicts, the ones that for which we

[13:56] should be disclosing and the ones that

[13:58] we should be completely staying away

[14:00] from.

[14:02] Um, consulates requiring disclosure that

[14:05] goes over the gifts, special privileges,

[14:09] uh, being an officer, director, agent,

[14:12] employee or owner of a substantial

[14:14] interest, at least 10% of a business

[14:16] entity regulated by Pula City.

[14:20] Um and then similar all those people

[14:22] with 10% of a business doing business

[14:24] with public city having a personal

[14:27] interest or investment which creates a

[14:29] conflict between public duties and the

[14:31] personal interest.

[14:34] It is a open meeting.

[14:37] So meetings

[14:40] they are basically

[14:43] to convene a a public body with a quorum

[14:45] present. So the quorum in this case

[14:47] would be we have total seven members. We

[14:49] need to have at least four members in

[14:51] order to have a public meeting which in

[14:54] this case T-Mac is a public meeting.

[14:58] >> And what about the atlarge members?

[15:00] >> So they it depends on how we have them.

[15:04] They can be replacing some of the

[15:06] members that are not present on that

[15:08] day.

[15:11] Um some of the items in the open

[15:14] meetings as far as DMAC is concerned

[15:16] annual training is required which we

[15:18] have been having these for the past

[15:19] three four years that I recall. Um

[15:23] written unrecorded meeting minutes that

[15:25] is something that we provide at the

[15:27] beginning of the meetings. You guys

[15:28] review that and you guys approve those

[15:30] uh meeting minutes.

[15:33] Uh post schedule of annual meetings. We

[15:35] do post these meetings, the monthly and

[15:37] the annual. Well, in this case, the

[15:39] monthly covers the annual as well. And

[15:42] then proper notice, we submit at least a

[15:45] week in advance. Um, sometimes

[15:48] even more than that, but our goal is to

[15:50] post our schedule at least a week in

[15:53] advance of the meeting.

[15:56] Uh, T-MAC meetings are open to public,

[15:58] but not a public hearing. Public comment

[16:01] is not required. They're welcome, not

[16:04] required.

[16:05] grammar. Um,

[16:08] so everything we record can be grammar.

[16:11] So documents, email, voicemail, this

[16:14] meeting itself, T-MAC members are also

[16:18] the individual T-MAC members. Anything

[16:21] discussed in the T-mac, they're all

[16:23] grammar. So if a grandma comes regarding

[16:26] a T-MAC member, we are allowed to share

[16:29] that information regarding the T-MAC

[16:31] member, which district they are from,

[16:35] what are their background, things of

[16:36] that nature.

[16:39] Um, exarty communications. So public

[16:42] discussions should happen in public.

[16:45] Um what this does is this protects the

[16:47] integrity of the process

[16:50] and it also relieves um undue pressure

[16:52] on TMAC members.

[16:55] So some of the parliamentary procedures

[16:58] consider one thing at a time uh ensure

[17:01] justice, courtesy and equal treatment to

[17:03] all members. Serve the will of the

[17:05] majority preserve the right of the

[17:07] minority to be heard.

[17:10] Meeting does not start until a quorum is

[17:12] present. Chair runs the meeting. Um, and

[17:17] city ly follows Rod's rules of order.

[17:19] So, T-MAC may adopt reasonable rules and

[17:22] change rules procedures on majority

[17:24] votes.

[17:26] Chair calls meeting to order. That's the

[17:29] one thing that I've noticed. Maybe we

[17:31] are doing it, but when we are starting

[17:33] the meeting, the first thing we got to

[17:35] say is the time date and then we go to

[17:37] the introduction.

[17:40] >> They didn't say March 19th.

[17:42] Should we get Beth to gamble?

[17:45] >> Oh my god.

[17:48] >> We should, right?

[17:51] » A bus handle.

[17:53] >> Yeah.

[17:54] Um and then read the first agenda items

[17:57] into the record. Clarify the action to

[18:00] be taken. Take um T-MAC members declare

[18:02] any conflicts.

[18:05] >> Uh in the team when we when we introduce

[18:08] ourselves, we should be saying if we

[18:09] have a conflict, right?

[18:11] like on planning commission when it goes

[18:13] around we say this is my name I have no

[18:16] conflict so each team act member

[18:19] according to that rule should

[18:20] technically be declaring that

[18:21] >> meeting

[18:23] >> every single meeting so at the beginning

[18:25] when you saying you are

[18:26] >> each of us should probably since that's

[18:28] a requirement be saying no conflict

[18:30] >> especially if you have a conflict then

[18:32] you should say for sure

[18:35] >> in the T-Mac meetings um staff

[18:37] presentation staff can present

[18:40] Uh public comment is welcome. T-MAC

[18:42] discussion that's when you guys discuss

[18:44] any item or the items in the agenda. Ask

[18:47] for a motion which the chair will call

[18:49] for that. Um the main motion again the

[18:53] chair will call for that. It requires a

[18:55] second. If there is no second then the

[18:57] actual or the main motion dies. Um chair

[19:00] restates the motion.

[19:04] Um chair opens uh debate. Chair calls

[19:07] the question.

[19:09] And then the secondary motion it helped

[19:11] dispose of the main motion can be made

[19:14] during debate on main motion and it

[19:17] deals with them well the chair deals

[19:19] with them in the order.

[19:21] Uh the secondary motion follows the main

[19:23] motion. It could be amending something.

[19:26] So if it's amending that's the wording

[19:28] we should follow. And if we do not have

[19:30] time or would like to discuss this in

[19:32] the coming meetings then we should be

[19:34] following that language. a motion to

[19:36] continue in the next meeting or

[19:38] following meeting

[19:44] fairness. Um

[19:47] if a person that is not involved in

[19:49] TMAC, if that person is here present and

[19:52] they're listening to the T-mac, they

[19:54] should feel that everybody got treated

[19:56] fair. That's kind of how the definition

[19:58] of the fair is for T-Mac purposes

[20:02] and that's about it. Any

[20:06] questions, comments, concerns? Oh,

[20:11] >> part of my role on the T-MAC committee

[20:13] is being a local business owner, but

[20:16] also that does present some conflicts of

[20:18] interest from time to time.

[20:21] Um, not that I feel like I've ever had a

[20:23] problem, but it's conceivable that

[20:26] business could come before the committee

[20:27] that I would have a a financial stake

[20:30] in. So, should I just always introduce

[20:33] myself as I have a conflict or

[20:35] >> I would if it's obvious that you would

[20:37] have a conflict. Otherwise, you would

[20:39] just bring it up during the meeting. I I

[20:41] recognize that I would have a conflict

[20:42] on this item. So, I'm going to abstain

[20:44] from it.

[20:45] >> Yes,

[20:46] >> you can still sit in the room. I think

[20:48] sometimes you're supposed to leave

[20:50] >> that and you cannot take part in the

[20:52] motion itself or

[20:53] >> but you also can't be part of the

[20:54] discussion.

[20:55] >> That's a discussion either. So at the

[20:57] beginning once you see the agenda you're

[20:58] more than welcome to say that hey I

[21:00] believe I have a conflict that's why you

[21:02] disclose if there's a conflict of

[21:03] interest if any kind you disclose that

[21:06] and you're more than welcome to or you

[21:08] could let us know in advance if you

[21:10] don't want to come to the actual

[21:11] meeting.

[21:13] >> But I also think that maybe what you're

[21:14] saying is sometime you don't know you

[21:16] have a conflict till we start talking

[21:17] about it and at that point I think it's

[21:18] perfectly reasonable to say in the

[21:20] middle of the meeting just like I

[21:21] realize I might have a conflict with

[21:22] this. I don't think I've ever personally

[21:24] had a conflict with any of the items

[21:28] we've talked about like

[21:30] >> or I may have a perceived conflict.

[21:31] Somebody might think I have a conflict

[21:32] of interest. I just want to make it

[21:34] >> talking about these electric motorcycles

[21:35] and I don't sell them but I sell

[21:37] something that kind of competes with

[21:38] them.

[21:40] My push has always been well we just

[21:42] need to apply the law fairly for all

[21:44] types of vehicles. Um but I do have an

[21:48] interest in that.

[21:50] >> Could just sell them. I think you've

[21:51] done a good job at disclosing that

[21:53] interest and honestly your role in that business is what makes

[21:59] you valuable to this body.

[22:01] >> And so like because you're not pushing

[22:03] for a an ordinance that would adversely

[22:07] or promotionally benefit your business

[22:10] like I have not observed any conflict.

[22:13] >> Yeah. I think the only time it's really

[22:14] genuinely a conflict is if you're going

[22:16] to gain something from it. Like

[22:17] sometimes we'll have in planning

[22:19] commission something that's in our

[22:20] neighborhoods that obviously we care

[22:22] about more than others. But as long as

[22:24] you can make a reasonable judgment, we

[22:26] don't have to declare that a conflict of

[22:28] >> if we were discussing an ordinance to

[22:30] ban Vesta motor scooters

[22:33] probably shouldn't participate in that

[22:34] discussion.

[22:40] » You're welcome to observe though.

[22:42] >> I would say also the way you refuse

[22:44] yourself. I I attended a city council

[22:47] meeting once my mountain proone where I

[22:50] work the city council member said I need

[22:53] to recuse myself on this issue because I

[22:55] have a financial interest in this and

[22:56] although I think it's an incredible

[22:58] project and I think it would be great I can't say that in this meeting. So

[23:02] basically he just gave it you know stamp

[23:05] approval that's not how you

[23:09] >> Yeah. Yeah. And like in

[23:12] conversely like I am an employee of

[23:14] Brigham Young University which touches

[23:17] almost every conversation we have in

[23:19] this meeting but I have no

[23:20] decision-making power at BYU and no one

[23:22] could suggest that I do. So I'm happy to

[23:27] comment continue commenting on policies

[23:30] that affect BYU.

[23:39] No, that was good. Thank you, David. Um,

[23:42] you see a page I'll send this, you can

[23:43] find us as well. This goes over our um

[23:46] the city code also discusses all the

[23:49] powers and duties that we just went

[23:50] over. Um,

[23:54] our public city council districts, five

[23:56] districts, we have at least a member

[23:58] representing each district, which is

[24:00] good. And then our current um T-MAC

[24:03] roster, that's all our T-MAC members.

[24:08] um and which districts they are from,

[24:11] how many terms they have been, how many

[24:13] terms that are left. If you need that

[24:14] information, let me know. I'll be more

[24:16] than welcome to send you that

[24:17] information.

[24:21] » Any other questions, comments?

[24:25] » Thank you so much. We appreciate that.

[24:26] do that.

[24:28] >> H we are going to actually push item

[24:30] agenda four to the bottom for now

[24:33] because we haven't heard uh like a full

[24:37] update on the engineering project for a

[24:39] while I feel like. So we're going to let

[24:40] them update us. Yes.

[24:44] So yeah, that's you again.

[24:45] >> Okay. Well, let's see. So the first one

[24:48] we're going to cover

[25:00] digging down the green.

[25:03] >> I saw the warning about watch out for

[25:05] the maybe

[25:10] things will be in motion.

[25:13] >> So the first uh project um this is our

[25:17] 2026 Pro city crack seal project. Um

[25:20] this is something that Mr. Mikkelson. He

[25:22] has been running this um show and this

[25:24] year he decided he wanted me to get

[25:26] involved. So he he gave me some um

[25:30] helpful insights and uh we're just

[25:32] carrying on with our crack steel

[25:34] project. So we'll be touching some of

[25:38] our major roads but overall this year we

[25:41] went a little bit on the heavier side as

[25:43] far as the um crack seal is concerned.

[25:46] Uh the pricing that we got were actually

[25:48] pretty surprisingly well. Uh which makes

[25:51] us believe we might want to even add on

[25:53] to it if we have if we wanted to.

[25:59] » Nothing on this project.

[26:05] » It is but most of the products already

[26:06] made so it doesn't really affect

[26:08] anything for this project.

[26:12] So, Hullbrook Assault um is our selected

[26:16] contractor. We have them on board. Uh

[26:19] they are expected to start next week or

[26:22] the week following. So, we're going to

[26:24] be starting this one soon.

[26:27] Uh like I said, we're hitting uh a lot

[26:29] of roads.

[26:31] Uh and at some point, we are going to

[26:33] we're going to discuss if we wanted to

[26:35] add a little bit more to this, but for

[26:37] now, we're going to stick here.

[26:44] That's it. Not a whole lot on this one.

[26:50] Okay, let's see. We have Mr. Miklson.

[26:58] David D present the next item. So,

[27:00] David, thank you.

[27:08] All righty.

[27:10] You can just start. I just got one slide

[27:12] in there.

[27:16] Okay. So, you can go to the next slide.

[27:19] Don't push play yet. No one will listen

[27:21] to me. But I'm just kidding.

[27:23] >> Um, so it's kind of been about two

[27:25] months because we didn't quite update it

[27:26] in February with the mag presentation.

[27:28] So, the last two months quite a bit has

[27:30] happened. We finished all the drilled

[27:33] shafts. We finished the two abutments

[27:36] and we have girders in place. So, that

[27:40] was only three things, but that's a lot

[27:42] uh big milestones. And so, now you'll

[27:44] see a lot taking shape over the next

[27:46] couple weeks. This is kind of when more

[27:49] visible stuff will actually be

[27:50] happening. So, you can play this is just

[27:53] time lapse over the last two months.

[27:56] This, you can see these operations,

[27:58] they're just doing the drill shafts and

[28:00] putting those piles in.

[28:03] I'll finish up and you'll see them frame

[28:05] the abutments.

[28:11] down

[28:13] and then they're starting framing time

[28:16] bar and they'll pour.

[28:20] We get our one snowstorm.

[28:22] >> Yeah.

[28:24] >> Pour the other one.

[28:31] Oh yeah, that was another big milestone

[28:33] too. We are out of the river officially.

[28:35] Uh, so we got all our rip wrap and our

[28:36] coffer dams out and so the river is now

[28:39] no longer

[28:41] >> and that was on Monday when all that got

[28:43] done. So, but right now they're just

[28:46] stabilizing the girders, getting

[28:47] everything in place. They'll get to

[28:50] start framing for the deck and we'll

[28:52] you'll see the deck being poured in a

[28:54] couple weeks. And then on the left side that um the covert wall there

[29:00] uh that will be poured in the next week

[29:02] or two as well. Um, so we're getting

[29:05] closer.

[29:07] That's where the bridge is at starting to take.

[29:10] >> Um,

[29:12] >> there's a lot of traffic diverting to

[29:14] the River Grove neighborhood

[29:16] >> and often at high speeds there. We're

[29:19] looking

[29:21] into that at all.

[29:22] >> The designated the designated detour is

[29:24] 500 north.

[29:25] >> But a lot of people have learned that

[29:26] oh, we can zip through these residential

[29:28] streets that come in on Columbia Lane,

[29:30] right?

[29:30] >> When they do that, they're usually doing

[29:32] 3540

[29:33] Um, I don't know. That's

[29:37] >> maybe just get with police and see if

[29:39] they want to go park a car out there and

[29:41] just get some enforcement on it. Far as

[29:43] use of public roads and public roads,

[29:45] but as far as speeding, I think that's

[29:47] something we could look into and seeing

[29:48] if we could crack down.

[29:55] » Uh, yes, the project is going to happen

[29:58] on time. We are going to extend the

[29:59] project a little bit just with some

[30:01] changes that uh we've been making on the

[30:05] uh trail structure to try to make it a

[30:07] little bit better waterproofed. And

[30:09] we're also going to be adding a mural

[30:10] underneath rather than doing like

[30:12] recessed concrete. Um and so those have

[30:15] kind of added a little bit. We're still

[30:16] going to finish our goal is to finish

[30:18] and have it open by July 4th. Um, and so

[30:21] early summer is when we're planning on

[30:23] being done.

[30:27] » Because you never get to do projects

[30:29] this cool.

[30:30] >> It is pretty great.

[30:35] » Well, I mean like most of what they do

[30:36] is street maintenance, right? This is

[30:38] the cool stuff. We got two weeks.

[30:44] » Good job.

[30:47] >> It's fun to see

[30:50] Are they called Ger?

[30:52] >> It's fun to see those

[30:56] » very nice

[30:59] concrete curves.

[31:03] » Thank you.

[31:05] >> That's it for A20.

[31:07] Okay.

[31:18] » You can just zoom in on that one

[31:20] section.

[31:23] So this year's road rehab, we're

[31:24] focusing on one area. Um

[31:28] we it's something that we're trying

[31:30] there's so our main roads here that

[31:32] we're addressing is center street and

[31:33] northeast um being our own and collector

[31:36] roads there and while we're there we're

[31:39] trying to hit some of those residential

[31:40] roads that are in need of repair. Um,

[31:43] our pricing all came lower this year

[31:45] because of the proximity of the project.

[31:48] And so I talked to my contractor about

[31:50] it and they said even though pricing for

[31:52] them has gone up costs for everything,

[31:55] we've been able to get lower pricing on

[31:57] our end uh just because of how much they

[31:59] can get done in production and

[32:01] everything here. So we've tried to

[32:02] remove we've removed all of our concrete

[32:04] work. We did that last year for this

[32:06] area so that we could just have a

[32:08] seamless, you know, mill and overlay

[32:10] project. And it's something that we're

[32:11] testing and I think right now we're

[32:13] looking at uh starting in June and

[32:15] they'll they feel like they can get it

[32:17] done very quickly just because of the

[32:19] proximity and and the production they'll

[32:21] be able to get on all their asphalt. So

[32:22] we should be able to see a pretty quick

[32:24] road rehab project this year.

[32:29] » It should be done as well.

[32:31] >> Yeah.

[32:33] >> Students leave or they come back, right?

[32:39] the impact.

[32:41] >> Will you shut off parking on the streets

[32:43] all at the same time or will you do one

[32:45] street at a time?

[32:45] >> It'll be I can't say it will be one

[32:47] street at a time, but

[32:48] >> smaller area

[32:49] >> it'll be it won't be like the whole area

[32:50] will be closed because that would be

[32:52] insane. I would have to tow every day

[32:54] for hundreds and hundreds of cars. But

[32:56] we'll just they'll phase it, but they'll

[32:58] probably be moving through, you know,

[33:00] they'll phase it, move through a mill

[33:02] and be paving behind. So, they'll just

[33:04] it'll be something we work through.

[33:06] Um, is there notifications going out in

[33:09] the neighborhood?

[33:10] >> There will be.

[33:11] >> They put flyers on their windshield.

[33:14] >> I was gonna say because I think that's

[33:17] mostly BYU student area. So, I'm getting

[33:20] notifications. Is there a way we can

[33:23] like get the notification to BYU and

[33:25] have them posted or something?

[33:27] >> I mean,

[33:27] >> I'm announcing it in church as of now.

[33:31] >> Now that I know, I'll tell them all. So,

[33:33] I think you'd actually be surprised how

[33:34] few of the residents there are few.

[33:37] >> Yeah, they cool. Especially the ones

[33:39] over the summer.

[33:41] >> Doesn't that hit a couple areas close to

[33:43] apartment buildings?

[33:44] >> I don't know about that, but there's a

[33:45] lot of apartment buildings that are not

[33:49] >> people that live here.

[33:50] >> And our contractor takes care of the the

[33:52] noticings and they'll go through and

[33:54] notice all the apartments and houses and

[33:56] cars and put up, you know, whatever

[33:58] notice that's needed to get vehicles

[34:00] off. Um, and then if they're still

[34:02] there, then we tow them usually around a

[34:03] corner. Um, but

[34:06] >> yeah, there will be plenty of notice for all the residents and tenants. So,

[34:12] >> I'm thinking

[34:16] » it happens every year.

[34:17] >> I know

[34:20] >> they walk out there.

[34:28] » I'm sure they do it. don't think about

[34:30] stuff like that. They just

[34:32] >> And they then they come and knock on my

[34:34] door. What happened to my car? And I

[34:37] say, you know, the one that was there

[34:38] for two months.

[34:39] >> Yeah.

[34:40] >> The dusty one. The dusty one with leaves

[34:42] on it window.

[34:47] » Awesome. Thank you. Okay, last one.

[34:56] saw the notice that six south will be

[34:59] closed.

[35:01] >> Yeah, you saw that right. So the east

[35:03] frontage road from between fifth and six

[35:06] south that will be yeah that will be

[35:09] closed um to finish the rest of the

[35:11] storm tie in there. Um the project right

[35:15] now is on schedule. 70% of the sewer

[35:18] work has been done on the west side.

[35:22] Um they're working as speaking on the

[35:24] east side closer to frontage road to

[35:26] finish the rest of the storm tie in. Uh

[35:31] pretty much it. I mean schedule was all

[35:34] of 26 and 27 they're going to finish the

[35:37] east side. That's the demolition and

[35:39] rebuilding.

[35:40] Um and as speaking they are on schedule.

[35:43] continues cleaning according to

[35:46] >> we saw anotherbody

[35:50] maybe this is for but does anybody know

[35:52] why the apartment building on the west

[35:55] side of the bridge has stopped

[35:56] construction

[35:58] >> not sure if they stopped have they

[36:02] >> no

[36:04] equipment sometimes I haven't seen

[36:06] >> like they built a parking garage and

[36:08] then they stopped building the structure

[36:10] and I didn't know if that was because

[36:11] they ran out of money or they didn't

[36:13] buyers or if it had something to do with

[36:15] the integration like the the

[36:17] construction

[36:18] >> on their side the financing

[36:24] run

[36:25] internally.

[36:26] >> Okay. Do you think it's going to not

[36:30] revital? It's not going to happen.

[36:33] We're hopeful that it does. Problem that

[36:36] they're running into if they don't

[36:38] complete the projected

[36:42] they lose the redevelopment money

[36:46] that they were um getting

[36:49] and they'll have to pay for that

[36:52] property

[36:54] or the IFA used to be.

[36:58] So,

[37:01] » so it's in their it's it's to their

[37:03] advantage to follow

[37:04] >> it is

[37:06] what happens when they if they can't and we'll we'll send a

[37:15] bill property

[37:18] and that's really our only leverage.

[37:22] And you have an unused parking garage

[37:23] sitting there.

[37:29] » Somebody else finish it.

[37:34] >> I just wondered if it was anything to do

[37:36] with the bridge construction. So it

[37:37] sounds like it's not.

[37:40] They are fighting with you do any

[37:43] impacts from project

[37:48] has not to acquire any of the property.

[37:52] So

[37:54] you see how that turns out

[38:02] » it was in the plans anyway. Yeah.

[38:04] >> We we

[38:06] told them right from the floor. Hey, the

[38:09] bridge is going

[38:22] on the cones on South University.

[38:32] » Well, it will depend. I mean, so this is

[38:34] the first phase of trap control. So

[38:37] right now that will be once that other

[38:39] half of the bridge is it will flip and

[38:41] then I'm not sure what I can't remember

[38:43] what it looks like but there will be

[38:45] some iteration of of reduced access

[38:48] through the project

[38:55] » actually curious about those those like

[38:59] that stretch of university is always

[39:01] kind of stuck I'd say with like left

[39:05] turns and and stuff coming across three

[39:08] lanes of traffic and coming in from both

[39:10] sides of the road. Curious, are we

[39:13] looking at crash rates? All the cones

[39:15] are up.

[39:17] >> I think I think the road might be

[39:18] considerably safer now than it is.

[39:21] >> Um,

[39:22] >> now that people have figured out the

[39:23] traffic pattern.

[39:24] >> Yeah. Well, and you can't get through.

[39:25] They're so close. That's right. So, you

[39:28] can't do anything crazy. I'm wondering

[39:30] if we

[39:31] maybe the template for future design of

[39:34] that roadway

[39:36] >> to force people to use the intersections

[39:38] instead of all the

[39:39] >> Yeah, exactly.

[39:40] >> Let's let's reduce some of the left

[39:42] turns. You're saying for an item agenda

[39:44] next year, look at a revamp of South

[39:46] University in

[39:48] >> I guess I guess what I would like what I

[39:50] would like to invite the city engineers

[39:51] to do is look at crash rates on

[39:55] University Avenue as a function of when

[39:57] the cones were in which configuration

[40:00] and compare before and after.

[40:01] >> And you want to compare the type of

[40:03] crash because you might have more rear

[40:04] ending traffic backed up, but like left

[40:08] turn crashes or

[40:09] >> Yeah. And that's something we could

[40:11] definitely pass on to you do to look at

[40:14] road right

[40:16] that is something we could take we could

[40:18] bring up with our traffic operations and

[40:19] just see if they're interested in

[40:21] looking at that.

[40:22] >> I have wondered given that you do has

[40:25] done

[40:27] the other part of university with the UVX line

[40:31] >> and what they've done with third south

[40:32] which a lot of that is to reduce

[40:34] midblock left turns and what we did on

[40:36] Cougar Boulevard. I've driven on South

[40:38] University past the bridge. I thought

[40:41] I haven't when are we going to get to

[40:42] this road?

[40:43] >> Um

[40:45] >> that be a good idea.

[40:46] >> It does seem like um

[40:49] and I don't know what would you say has

[40:51] have the changes to the other roads I

[40:53] mentioned

[40:55] has has it produced the result of fewer

[40:57] accidents? It's

[40:58] >> a good question.

[40:59] >> I know accidents are waiting. Yeah, it

[41:02] seems like that used to be the number

[41:03] one place for

[41:06] >> they're considerably the crash rates are

[41:08] lower, the crash severity is lower.

[41:10] You've had two things at the same time.

[41:12] You've had the additional medians and

[41:14] bike lanes go in closing a bunch of

[41:16] accesses and making the road a little

[41:18] bit less chaotic. You've also had the

[41:19] removal of a whole bunch of 16-year-olds

[41:22] who are driving on that. So, both those

[41:24] things happen simultaneously. Uh, but I do think that the

[41:30] it's been a good thing. We're to say for

[41:32] now.

[41:33] >> Wondering with the potential

[41:37] redoing of the town center if they would

[41:41] consider that road.

[41:54] » Awesome.

[41:56] Thank you for the updates. We appreciate

[41:58] those.

[41:59] >> Um, next one. There is a house bill out,

[42:03] but

[42:05] uh I don't

[42:06] >> The governor signed it.

[42:08] >> Yeah,

[42:08] >> you did.

[42:09] >> I think you passed it.

[42:11] >> Okay. And it basically it basically um

[42:16] covered all the things we were talking

[42:18] about. And it was interesting to see

[42:19] that most of them were already like it

[42:22] didn't really make that many changes.

[42:24] No,

[42:24] >> the law was already there for the most

[42:26] part.

[42:26] >> Yeah, it I think it added helmets

[42:30] to age 18,

[42:32] >> 21, and

[42:35] >> three years.

[42:36] >> And there's an option for you to get

[42:39] like a license so that you can ride

[42:42] without parental supervision.

[42:44] >> You can't ride.

[42:45] >> Is that an option or a requirement?

[42:47] >> It was an option. You can either have

[42:48] parental supervision or you can have

[42:49] this

[42:50] >> creates a safety course for the

[42:51] operation of certain electric uh devices

[42:54] on a highway and describes the

[42:55] circumstances under which the course is

[42:57] required

[42:58] >> and maybe technical.

[43:00] >> That's and I think this is effective

[43:02] like May 1st or something, right?

[43:05] >> So like if a 15year-old wants to ride

[43:07] their scooter without their parents

[43:09] watching them, they can go take a

[43:11] certification,

[43:12] >> right? But once again, it all comes down

[43:14] to if nobody knows about it and nobody's

[43:16] enforcing it, then it doesn't matter

[43:18] that it just

[43:19] >> Well, it did have something that said

[43:22] like new sellers are going to have to

[43:24] include

[43:25] >> but that's already a requirement.

[43:28] >> That was already there as of last year,

[43:30] I believe. Um although it was more

[43:33] targeted towards the electric

[43:35] motorcycles and now it's on ebikes as

[43:36] well. So I've got to get a label maker

[43:38] actually. My business

[43:42] As far as I can tell, it's still in the

[43:44] governor's hands.

[43:45] >> Oh, it hasn't been signed.

[43:48] >> One thing that it does that I thought

[43:50] was interesting, I've read these

[43:52] sections of code so many times, um, you

[43:55] got rid of

[43:58] the legal definition of a motor-driven

[44:00] cycle, which was a subset of motorcycle.

[44:03] I don't know why that was ever a vehicle

[44:07] specific defined vehicle anyway because

[44:10] there were no laws that applied to

[44:12] motorcycles that didn't apply to that or

[44:13] vice versa. So, it makes sense they got

[44:16] rid of it. But, um they didn't really

[44:18] change much. Helmets until 21 were

[44:20] already the case for motorcycles. So,

[44:22] they've just made that the case for

[44:24] electric scooters and ebikes and things,

[44:26] which is I think is great. Well, I think

[44:28] after two, I mean, they've had so many

[44:30] young

[44:32] girls.

[44:34] Although, my husband pointed out that

[44:36] the girl who was really pushing this

[44:38] that had an injury, I think it was in

[44:40] Saratoga Springs, was going 40 miles an

[44:42] hour and not wearing a helmet, driving

[44:44] very recklessly. So, like there are

[44:47] multiple things contributing to these

[44:50] fatalities and and horrible accidents

[44:52] besides just my 12-year-old wasn't

[44:55] wearing a helmet or I wasn't watching

[44:56] him, you know?

[44:58] But the maybe the most important thing

[45:00] if if this actually gets signed and is

[45:02] the public education factor because like

[45:04] you said most of this is

[45:06] >> already there

[45:07] >> was already there.

[45:08] >> Yeah.

[45:08] >> Um it just people don't know about it

[45:11] and unfortunately even mentioned when I

[45:13] got here Vineyard City police just a few

[45:16] days ago posted a video on their social

[45:19] media. The police officer was literally

[45:21] sitting on an electric dirt bike and

[45:24] calling it an ebike over and over again

[45:27] and talking about how riding these on

[45:29] vineyard streets and and uh trails are okay, but even if they go 40, you

[45:34] should go slower and you should wear a

[45:36] helmet. I was like,

[45:38] >> not even saying it right.

[45:39] >> I mean, it's just not even close. So, uh

[45:44] there there's a

[45:46] the law hasn't really been the problem.

[45:49] the public awareness of the law. There's

[45:51] a big deficit that's been there the

[45:53] whole time.

[45:54] >> I really think we can partner with BYU

[45:56] on this and get a huge chunk. We can

[45:57] partner with UVU on this and just say

[46:00] these are the rules kind of like like

[46:02] St. George does on their trails. Just

[46:04] like these are the rules that you are

[46:07] supposed to be following. Have them on

[46:09] all of our trail signs. maybe have them

[46:11] with um like the week they come back to

[46:15] school just like to familiarize them

[46:17] with the frequent infractions that we

[46:20] see that are dangerous pedestrian

[46:22] safety.

[46:22] >> Are they the biggest problem?

[46:24] >> No, but like but if we did it with the

[46:26] back to school nights at the elementary

[46:28] schools, the high schools, the middle

[46:30] schools, then we can then we can go out

[46:32] in full force and have a huge week of

[46:35] enforcement because everybody has the

[46:37] information and if they disregard it,

[46:38] that's on them.

[46:42] I don't know.

[46:43] >> I don't know who who how do we get

[46:46] actually the fact that the police

[46:48] officer vineyard was even able to get to

[46:51] you indicates that that's probably a

[46:53] more effective communication vector than

[46:56] a lot of things I've talked about.

[46:57] >> Is that your is that yours?

[46:59] >> Well, yeah. So, we've coordinated before

[47:03] with um police, city council to do some

[47:07] of those like videos and things in the

[47:09] past.

[47:10] Um,

[47:14] yeah. So, so we can coordinate

[47:16] >> commit them to the school district and

[47:17] ask for them to put them on all the

[47:19] school ones because I don't see them

[47:21] unless I'm subscribed to them,

[47:22] >> right?

[47:23] >> So, you know, I'm not going to

[47:25] >> following the message.

[47:26] >> Only the people who are following Provo

[47:28] City's

[47:29] >> PR are going to see it. So, if we can

[47:31] get it out to each of the schools and

[47:32] they can put it on their Instagrams.

[47:35] >> Well, and and we can probably

[47:40] I'm going to say it it's also like a

[47:42] statewide issue like zero fatalities

[47:45] would probably be the best

[47:48] approach to get that message out

[47:50] statewide. So we can do like localized

[47:53] things here for for Provo City and get

[47:56] the message out on our channels and and

[47:58] reach out to school districts, see if

[48:00] they'd be interested in things like

[48:02] that. Um, but yeah, and and there's ways

[48:06] on social media you can pay for

[48:09] posts to expand that reach. So, it's

[48:12] going out to a larger audience. It might

[48:15] go further than Provo. It might just

[48:17] stay in Provo.

[48:19] I just feel like at least asking them

[48:23] >> to share your post

[48:25] without spending any money you've

[48:27] already

[48:29] school districts would be easy because

[48:30] they have their community councils who

[48:32] have their safe routes and they're

[48:33] supposed to present those over them

[48:35] every year and present them the entire

[48:38] school

[48:39] >> which they don't but now we've just

[48:40] given them something that we may

[48:42] >> but we can talk to superintendent now

[48:43] too like

[48:46] >> so my issue with this is a problems.

[48:50] The focus for me has never been about

[48:52] the older kids or the college kids

[48:54] because like you said, we can get the

[48:55] education out there. That's great.

[48:56] That's nice. And and then it's on them.

[48:58] For me, it's been the 14 and under

[49:00] crowd, the ones that actually are in

[49:02] these accidents. There were two

[49:03] 13-year-olds that were writing tea

[49:06] screws the other day. I saw the article.

[49:08] I can't remember what city is. They're

[49:11] they bumped. They fell into the road.

[49:13] Someone stopped tried to help them, but

[49:14] while they're trying to help them, one

[49:15] of them got hit by a truck. They're

[49:17] fine, fortunately. But it's the kids 14

[49:20] and younger to me that's always been the

[49:22] issue for me. A 14 and younger person

[49:25] should not be on a motorized anything.

[49:28] Even if they have, they do that waiver

[49:30] online. That's I mean, my son just got

[49:33] his permit, so yay. Now I get to teach a

[49:35] child how to drive a car. But for me,

[49:38] drive a car that can potentially hurt

[49:40] other people and themselves. They have

[49:43] to spend six months and driver's ed

[49:46] course. And there's a list of five

[49:48] things he has to do to actually be able

[49:50] to get a license to drive it.

[49:54] Same thing with any motorized anything

[49:56] for a kid 14 and under. Taking a YouTube

[49:59] course saying, "Look, I passed all these

[50:01] questions." And then being able to go

[50:03] out without parental supervision. I

[50:05] don't think that's safe enough for the

[50:06] kids.

[50:07] >> That would never be a pro city or that would be a state law.

[50:11] >> It can be a pro city or

[50:12] >> like I have a daughter that I've sent to

[50:14] school on a motor scooter when she's

[50:15] like nine or 10 years old, right? And

[50:17] I've ridden bikes with her as well. And

[50:19] to me, she's no less safe on a small

[50:22] motor scooter getting to school than

[50:23] she's on a bicycle.

[50:25] >> So why not just ride the bicycle?

[50:27] >> The motor scooter is easier.

[50:28] >> The motor is easier and her school was I

[50:31] mean she would

[50:31] >> we have an obesity problem in this

[50:33] country anyway?

[50:34] >> Yeah. from the it's up to parents to

[50:36] govern their kids at that point. It's

[50:38] not we don't need a government in there

[50:39] telling all the parents how to like what

[50:41] their kids can and can't do.

[50:44] >> I've been reading a lot about the early

[50:47] years of the automobile.

[50:51] Um, and for the first 15 years that

[50:55] automobiles were available in England,

[50:57] law was you could not drive faster than

[51:02] the person walking in front of your car

[51:04] waving a red flag telling you that

[51:06] telling people that there was a car

[51:07] coming.

[51:09] Um, so the speed limit on cars in

[51:12] England for the first 15 years was

[51:13] effectively miles an hour.

[51:17] That sounds great. Sounds amazing. like

[51:19] let's go back to that. Um the I guess it

[51:24] took us about 30 years to find the right

[51:26] mix of laws for cars and I think that

[51:30] it'll take us about that long with all

[51:32] these new things too. I I hope it

[51:33] doesn't. Um but like it's it is a

[51:38] decision that's much bigger than this

[51:40] city and this this body. Um I think if

[51:44] we

[51:46] like

[51:49] Yeah, I'm just saying we it's okay to be

[51:52] a little bit like

[51:57] I think I think our I think our laws are

[51:59] okay. Um I I view the problem as not

[52:04] child falling on a motor scooter but the

[52:06] truck behind hitting them.

[52:09] That's the problem. Separate them.

[52:12] >> Let's separate them. Let's build better

[52:13] lanes that are separated from the road.

[52:15] >> See that? That's my

[52:16] >> And that's that's how we fix the

[52:18] problem.

[52:18] >> Let's educate them on bike riding

[52:21] safety.

[52:21] >> Let's make the truck drive 20 m hour.

[52:24] >> Let's let's do something else.

[52:25] >> So, we make the scooters drive 15 miles

[52:27] an hour like they're supposed to.

[52:29] >> Okay. So, we get the police out there

[52:30] and start pulling over any and all

[52:32] >> E2s ebike people.

[52:35] >> Yeah. As long as they're pulling over

[52:36] the cars, too.

[52:38] >> They don't. The serious thing I worry

[52:39] about with my kids is if they ride down

[52:41] like um one of the hills around here on

[52:44] a bike, they can get up to 30 miles per

[52:45] hour easy and they're doing it right

[52:47] next to live traffic. I prefer

[52:49] separation is is the primary aim for

[52:52] safety is you get the bikes and the the

[52:54] motor vehicles away from cars and

[52:56] they're far less likely to have a

[52:57] problem.

[52:59] >> But until then,

[53:02] I will always advocate for teaching safe

[53:05] like safe rules. I teach my kids whether

[53:09] it's an ebike or a regular bike or a

[53:11] foot scooter or an e- scooter that they

[53:14] are not to ride on the sidewalk if

[53:15] they're going fast. They're not to

[53:17] they're to expect that nobody ever sees

[53:19] them and they always have to make eye

[53:21] contact before they cross the street and

[53:23] they wait when their light turns green

[53:24] just to make like those safety

[53:26] principles. And so apparently there's a

[53:28] generation that doesn't teach those. And

[53:30] we need to figure out how we can bridge

[53:33] that gap so that everyone has the

[53:35] information they need to be responsible

[53:37] and keep themselves safe. Whether

[53:38] they're 9, 14, or 21, there are clearly

[53:42] people in the community who either never

[53:45] learn the rules or think they don't

[53:46] apply to them. And we need to make sure

[53:48] that our enforcement presence and our

[53:50] education presence hold them responsible

[53:53] for those rules. And we don't need to

[53:57] overregulate. We just need to use what

[53:59] we've already got and use it correctly.

[54:02] >> That's how I feel. Anyway,

[54:03] >> general safety is applicable to

[54:05] everything. Trying to single out any

[54:06] specific mode of transportation is being

[54:08] unsafe. Like admittedly, motorized

[54:11] thing, there is some some point on the

[54:13] line between like a little kid's motor

[54:14] scooter up to a motorized dirt bike.

[54:17] Like they're not the same thing even

[54:19] remotely, right? And so there is a

[54:21] different measure of safety between the

[54:23] two. But the lump so I like the mountain

[54:25] bike to give an example. Um, you can

[54:28] take a horse, pack horse into any

[54:31] wilderness area in the United States,

[54:32] but you can't take a mountain bike

[54:34] because the law when it was written up

[54:35] said no mechanized vehicles shall be

[54:38] permitted in wilderness. So even though

[54:40] I like to mountain bike, if I come up to

[54:42] a trail that goes into wilderness, I

[54:43] have to stop and turn around. Um, that

[54:45] law was made in I can't remember 1967

[54:48] 60s sometime before mountain bikes even

[54:50] were a thing, right? So lumping back

[54:54] then when the law was written, it was

[54:55] motorized as in jeeps, motorcycles,

[54:59] four-wheelers didn't really exist,

[55:01] >> but they're all mechanized. But then

[55:03] mountain bikes came along and they're

[55:05] still included. So wilderness is out off

[55:07] limits for somebody on a mountain bike.

[55:09] >> You're talking self-propelled, not an

[55:10] >> eelf propelled with a pedal. And so

[55:13] nationwide, you can't take a mountain

[55:15] bike into any national park that's not

[55:17] on a paved road. You can't take it in

[55:18] any wilderness cuz the original law was

[55:21] no mechanized vehicle. So if you say a

[55:24] motorass assisted or electric motor

[55:26] vehicle and you include everything,

[55:29] that's pretty broad in my opinion.

[55:32] Um,

[55:34] so there's definitely a line there and

[55:36] at some point you should have a

[55:37] motorcycle handler permit or a license

[55:39] or whatever you're on certain types of

[55:41] vehicles. But

[55:44] speaking of um

[55:47] law, the so I mentioned that this house

[55:51] bill what is it 381? I hope they pass

[55:54] it. Um that they did away with the motor

[55:56] driven cycle classification, but they

[55:58] have added and this is probably what

[56:00] would be relevant to what you just

[56:02] mentioned is

[56:04] they sort of added a catchall definition

[56:06] of a vehicle. So for the for what for

[56:08] what we don't have even what they

[56:10] haven't even invented yet we have this

[56:12] it's uh line 630 it says a high power

[56:15] electric device means a self-profile

[56:18] vehicle other than a motor vehicle

[56:20] subject to the title and registration

[56:21] requirements. So something that doesn't

[56:24] need a title registration license plates

[56:26] um but it is an electric device and

[56:29] powered by an electric motor that is

[56:31] capable of traveling more than 20 miles

[56:33] per hour on the power of the electric

[56:34] motor alone. Um, and then those uh that

[56:39] type of vehicle is subject to

[56:44] because of it. If it meets that

[56:46] definition, then it has its own laws

[56:48] that apply to it. It's um I believe and

[56:50] I haven't read through this whole thing

[56:52] yet, but I believe that it's something

[56:53] that wouldn't be road or trail legal.

[56:56] It's like private property or maybe

[56:58] off-road only. Um, but I think that's

[57:01] looking that's the the legislators

[57:03] looking forward and saying basically

[57:05] anything that doesn't meet these other

[57:07] definitions we've already made is kind

[57:10] of off-road only. And um I think that's

[57:14] good. The common denominator in all of

[57:16] the other vehicles is 20 mph. So there's

[57:19] some different motor wattages that are

[57:21] permitted for different types, which

[57:22] doesn't make any sense to me that they

[57:24] did that. like 2,000 watts on an

[57:26] electric scooter that you stand on, but

[57:28] 750 watts on an ebike. Why?

[57:32] >> But but they're both limited to 20 miles

[57:34] per hour or 28 on ebike if you're

[57:36] pedaling. So I think that's what they're

[57:38] kind of doing.

[57:40] >> Is that capability or

[57:42] >> capability? And if it's there's there's

[57:44] verbiage in here where if it's capable

[57:46] of being modified to exceed that speed

[57:48] limit or other things, there's there's

[57:50] labeling laws about what they have to

[57:51] say and and what law enforcement can do

[57:54] about it. So, it seems like they've

[57:56] settled on pretty much 20 mph is the

[57:59] speed limit for motorized non

[58:03] registered street legal motor vehicles,

[58:05] but for this other category,

[58:08] um 20 miles an hour and then so at least

[58:13] there's that. I mean, some of us would

[58:15] rather be 15, some would rather nobody

[58:17] under 14 rides them, but at least

[58:18] there's that.

[58:22] which gives the enforcement arm

[58:24] something very consistent to enforce.

[58:26] They could sit on provos trails and say

[58:28] provost trails are are signed at 15,

[58:31] state laws 20, you were doing 21,

[58:34] therefore you're in violation of both.

[58:35] We feel really confident that you're we

[58:38] need to pull you over and talk to you.

[58:40] City ordinances always be more

[58:42] restrictive than the state but not less.

[58:49] uh five minutes to go and uh the east

[58:53] west connectivity discussion is kind of

[58:54] going to be an ongoing discussion. Uh

[58:57] Greg has said that he doing a project

[59:00] for us that he'll this year. Uh um so we

[59:05] kind of want to what are our parameters

[59:08] on this like what are what are our main

[59:11] goals on east west connectivity? I know

[59:14] it was something that was brought up as

[59:17] discussion this year. So what is the

[59:19] goal that people work on? I think we

[59:24] were talking when we came up with this

[59:26] goal of when we say east west

[59:29] connectivity we're talking about the

[59:30] barrier of the freeway getting people so

[59:34] that our city isn't divided right that

[59:37] we're all the same city with the same

[59:38] access.

[59:40] Like it would be nice. Somebody was

[59:42] talking once about 200 North being going

[59:45] all the way through to 900 East and that

[59:47] that's on a transportation plan

[59:50] somewhere, but that helps a section of

[59:53] the city get from University Avenue or

[59:55] 500 West over, but it doesn't bridge the freeway. And I think that to me is

[1:00:02] the number one priority is getting

[1:00:03] those. So whether we have more accesses

[1:00:06] under the freeway which is less likely

[1:00:08] or whether we make sure that the

[1:00:09] accesses that take us from one side of

[1:00:10] the freeway to the other are super

[1:00:12] efficient and safe for all modes that

[1:00:15] would be my goal.

[1:00:17] >> So the way I see this issue bring it up

[1:00:20] is looking historically at Utah and how

[1:00:23] the cities were laid out you always had

[1:00:24] ma main and centers and they were

[1:00:27] supposed to be more or less primary

[1:00:29] arterial type roads. They're supposed to

[1:00:30] be the main travel roads through an

[1:00:32] area. And Utah, prior to the freeway,

[1:00:34] had highways that went north and south

[1:00:37] because that's where the cities were.

[1:00:38] That's where the mountains constrained

[1:00:39] us. The lakes constrained us. We had

[1:00:41] highways that went north and south. The

[1:00:43] highways would turn into main streets

[1:00:44] typically in every little city. And then

[1:00:46] the center streets, I mean, sometimes it

[1:00:48] would slip, but usually the center

[1:00:50] streets would be perpendicular to that,

[1:00:51] right? Um, if you needed to go east and

[1:00:53] west, you could get on center and get

[1:00:55] through town. If you need to go north

[1:00:56] and south, you get on main to get

[1:00:57] through town. Well, as all of the cities

[1:01:00] have grown up around here, those rural

[1:01:02] highways all turned into very long main

[1:01:04] streets that had pretty good access, the

[1:01:07] center streets didn't. Instead of being

[1:01:10] highways originally, they didn't grow

[1:01:13] with anything. So, they ended up

[1:01:14] congested. And so, we didn't build

[1:01:16] additional

[1:01:18] um east west arterials to match the

[1:01:21] north south highways that we turned into

[1:01:24] our arterials. So Provo had that problem

[1:01:27] where we have our freeway over there,

[1:01:29] but when the freeway was built, there

[1:01:31] was nothing west of the freeway, right?

[1:01:34] So the connectivity is kind of poor and

[1:01:36] we have a real serious problem with it

[1:01:37] in that the only real way to provide

[1:01:40] actual arterials east and west is often

[1:01:42] to smash a bunch of houses down. And the

[1:01:44] political turmoil of that is really hard to sell.

[1:01:51] I think there's another east west thing

[1:01:54] where when when people talk about east

[1:01:57] west connection they're often talking

[1:02:00] benches getting to the freeway

[1:02:04] it's a quantitatively and qualitatively

[1:02:07] different discussion than the I5

[1:02:11] so I I do think that separating this

[1:02:13] video so I think it's actually two

[1:02:14] different discussions

[1:02:16] um but people talk about east

[1:02:19] connectivity and they think they're

[1:02:21] friends that they're actually talking

[1:02:22] totally different.

[1:02:23] >> Yeah.

[1:02:24] >> Except that if you do the crossing the

[1:02:27] freeway access really well, then you can

[1:02:29] also

[1:02:31] >> do the tie-in access really well.

[1:02:33] >> I do I do think though that we

[1:02:36] in this discussion I want it I would

[1:02:38] like it to be data driven as much as

[1:02:41] possible, right? like I feel like the microability discussion got uh sort

[1:02:48] of emotional sometimes last year. U I'm

[1:02:53] not I'm not excusing myself from that.

[1:02:55] Um I it would be great like if we're

[1:02:58] going to talk about east west

[1:02:59] connectivity

[1:03:01] like oh this neighborhood has really bad

[1:03:02] connectivity.

[1:03:04] How are we describing that? What what

[1:03:06] measures are we using? How do we justify

[1:03:08] that statement other than

[1:03:11] it's hard for me to get across? Like

[1:03:13] that that's not data. And I I'd like to

[1:03:15] see at least some data make an

[1:03:17] appearance. And I hope to do that in my

[1:03:19] presentation this summer, but it'd be

[1:03:21] great if there's other perspectives and

[1:03:23] other data that can be brought into it

[1:03:24] as well.

[1:03:26] >> Travel and

[1:03:28] >> whatever like and we should talk about

[1:03:30] what what that is, right? Like what data

[1:03:32] do we think is valid? Are

[1:03:33] >> you starting with Pearl City's existing

[1:03:36] streets master plan? like what's already

[1:03:38] think on a master plan from like

[1:03:40] probably 50 or 60 that have never built.

[1:03:44] >> That's right. So I mean what I'm what

[1:03:46] I'm going to be doing is I'm going to

[1:03:47] take the street network and points of

[1:03:49] interest data and do some experiments

[1:03:52] where I take away roads and I add roads

[1:03:56] and see who who gains the most or who

[1:03:59] loses the most when those roads are

[1:04:01] lost.

[1:04:02] Yeah, kind of a travel demand model

[1:04:03] type. Uh but there are other valid ways

[1:04:06] of doing this too like travel times to

[1:04:09] key stationations or level of service on

[1:04:12] the main access road.

[1:04:15] And you know in all this like with 700

[1:04:18] North that's often cited as oh we need a

[1:04:21] faster road getting east to west across

[1:04:23] Provo than 700 North is. More people

[1:04:26] walk across 700 North than drive down

[1:04:28] it. So we shouldn't like make it harder

[1:04:32] for people to walk in that direction by

[1:04:34] making it easier for a few people. And

[1:04:37] so there's there's some constraints that

[1:04:39] we need to have in this discussion as

[1:04:40] well.

[1:04:41] >> Also the fact that 700 North doesn't go

[1:04:43] very far beyond university.

[1:04:44] >> That's right. It ends in freedom. It

[1:04:46] really turning into main street. Yeah.

[1:04:48] >> And so it has a demographic of students

[1:04:50] that are walking already quite a bit.

[1:04:51] >> That's right. Um if you look

[1:04:53] qualitatively where where is a place

[1:04:56] that has good east west connectivity

[1:04:58] what does that look like? So you go up

[1:05:00] to Oram, you have if you go to if you

[1:05:03] get out of Provo. Yeah. You go north,

[1:05:06] you've got University Parkway, which

[1:05:07] used to be a highway to BYU's doorstep.

[1:05:10] It's not anymore. Then you have you have

[1:05:13] Center Street, you have 800 North, you

[1:05:15] have 6600 North. About every mile or so,

[1:05:19] you have a major east west arterial. In

[1:05:22] Provo, they're not. They don't exist.

[1:05:26] The only east west arterial that's

[1:05:27] actually kind of a decent arterial is

[1:05:30] center street

[1:05:31] >> and I would argue that like

[1:05:34] >> and I would argue that we don't

[1:05:35] >> technically an arterial but it's posted

[1:05:36] 25. So it's not an art.

[1:05:40] >> Yeah. I mean they're both the same

[1:05:42] arterial. They're not all

[1:05:44] >> arterial. But it's your way to get

[1:05:46] across

[1:05:47] >> all the way to

[1:05:50] downtown.

[1:05:51] >> Uh I mean

[1:05:53] >> I think turning promo into ORM would be

[1:05:55] a mistake though and that that's where

[1:05:56] we need to talk about the

[1:05:57] >> because like you said in order to get

[1:05:59] those throughways through ORM they knock

[1:06:02] down rows and rows of houses to build

[1:06:04] wider

[1:06:04] >> roads right now what they're doing.

[1:06:06] >> Okay. I am going to actually wheel this

[1:06:09] in just a little bit because we are at

[1:06:10] time. The third thing that was mentioned

[1:06:13] in a discussion before was not just

[1:06:16] looking at cars but actually looking at

[1:06:19] all mobility east west getting from lake

[1:06:22] the lake to mountains. So um did those

[1:06:26] three discussion points sound like good

[1:06:27] discussion? We're talking the barrier to

[1:06:30] freeway which is a huge thing in provo.

[1:06:32] We're talking benches to freeway which

[1:06:34] some of those streets up on the benches

[1:06:36] are rats nests.

[1:06:39] Um and then mobility for all forms of traffic from late to not

[1:06:48] um I'll talk to about afterwards. Okay.

[1:06:52] Uh we'll take those three discussion

[1:06:54] points and we'll we'll kind of get a

[1:06:56] plan moving forward on this discussion.

[1:06:58] Thank you guys so much today for your

[1:07:00] time. Thank you for your opinions and

[1:07:03] thank you for sharing them. I even if we

[1:07:06] don't always agree, I appreciate that we

[1:07:07] have open discussions here. So, I just

[1:07:09] want to thank you guys on that. And

[1:07:11] we're we have to say a motion to

[1:07:13] >> adjourn.

[1:07:17] » Meeting adjourned. Yay.

[1:07:24] » You and I can park.

[1:07:25] >> We don't have to fight over.

[1:07:27] I got her an

Provo City TMAC | March 19, 2026

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