[1:59] Mhm.

[3:54] » Mhm.

[5:17] » 17, if you're ready, please go ahead

[5:18] start recording.

[5:27] Excellent. Well, thank you for everybody

[5:29] for showing up today. Um I'll start off

[5:32] with introductions. I'm Beth Provan, I'm

[5:34] PMAC chair.

[5:36] Noel Gordon, PMAC member.

[5:38] Ashley CS, public works.

[5:41] David Keller, PMAC.

[5:43] Steven Brophy, Royal Police Department.

[5:45] Ann Leroux-Smyth, PMAC.

[5:47] Anna Soltys, Development Services

[5:48] Department. Brenda a civil engineer for

[5:50] the city of Auburn.

[5:52] I'm a civil engineer for the city of

[5:53] Auburn.

[5:54] And we have a small crowd today, but

[5:57] hopefully that means we can go fast.

[5:59] Okay, our first action item is approval

[6:01] of minutes from our last meeting.

[6:03] Do you have anybody who would like to

[6:05] approve minutes from our meeting? So

[6:06] moved.

[6:08] I'll second.

[6:10] Perfect. Everybody in favor? I. I.

[6:14] That's great.

[6:15] Okay, our first item of the agenda is

[6:17] the bicycle friendly community survey

[6:19] results, and Vern is going to take this

[6:21] one.

[6:23] Yes, good to talk to you all on this

[6:25] stuff.

[6:49] Okay.

[6:50] I'm working on what this is about.

[6:54] So we finally got our results from the

[6:56] bicycle friendly community survey from

[6:58] the League of American Bicyclists.

[7:00] Um as you know in October of 2024,

[7:07] we set a goal to be able to submit an

[7:10] application to the League of American

[7:13] Bicyclists to improve and increase our

[7:16] award

[7:17] uh level

[7:19] uh for a bicycle friendly community. So

[7:22] we took about 8 months to put that

[7:26] application together. It was 92 pages,

[7:30] 93, somewhere right around there.

[7:32] Um we submitted it in June of 2025.

[7:38] And in December

[7:40] uh well, in January we found out what

[7:43] the results were

[7:44] in January of this year. In that time

[7:48] between we submitted

[7:51] um, the application, um, the League of

[7:54] American Bicyclists decided to, um,

[8:00] perform a community survey in Provo.

[8:04] And they asked us to help promote it and

[8:06] support it, which we did.

[8:08] Um, and so,

[8:11] these are the results of that uh,

[8:13] survey.

[8:15] So, just a little bit of history here.

[8:17] 2003, Provo City applied, but received

[8:20] no award or recognition

[8:23] for their active transportation,

[8:25] specifically bicycle infrastructure

[8:28] improvements.

[8:29] In 2012,

[8:31] uh, it was submitted again, and we

[8:33] received a bronze award.

[8:35] And that award was good for 4 years. We

[8:38] submitted in 2016, 2016,

[8:42] uh, the silver award.

[8:44] And then we got the gold award in 2025.

[8:48] Again, it's good for 4 years. So, when

[8:50] we're talking about friend, uh,

[8:52] bicycle-friendly communities,

[8:54] businesses, or universities,

[8:57] we have two friendly businesses within

[8:59] the city,

[9:00] uh, one friendly university, which is of

[9:03] course BYU.

[9:05] Uh, we do have one local League Cycling

[9:07] Instructor. Overall, Utah ranks the 14th

[9:11] friendliest state for bicycling.

[9:13] Can I talk about bikes? Yeah, and Provo

[9:16] City is a bicycle-friendly one of those

[9:18] two bicycle-friendly communities, aren't

[9:20] they?

[9:21] Um, we're a bicycle-friendly business,

[9:23] too, as an employer.

[9:24] >> Yeah, yeah, as a business as an

[9:25] employer. Provo City? Yes. What does it

[9:27] mean to be a bicycle-friendly business,

[9:29] and what are the two businesses? I'm

[9:31] curious. Well, one Provo City, I think,

[9:34] and I'm not sure what the other one is,

[9:37] to be honest. I would have to look on

[9:40] their website and dig that up. But they

[9:42] have to submit an application, and they

[9:44] have to have

[9:46] uh bike parking at their business. Um

[9:49] and it's more than just bike parking,

[9:50] and maybe even covered bike parking, if

[9:52] I remember correctly. And there are

[9:54] certain things that they maybe have

[9:56] showers for their employees and uh at

[9:59] the business, so they could commute in

[10:01] and then freshen up before the work day.

[10:04] Um there's all types of little nuances

[10:06] that they get graded on when they submit

[10:08] their application. Same thing with the

[10:10] university or BYU.

[10:12] Uh so, the university is the same way.

[10:14] And then, when we submitted ours, ours

[10:16] was, like I said, a 90-plus page

[10:19] application that was

[10:21] daunting, um to say the least.

[10:24] Um

[10:25] so,

[10:26] when they did the survey,

[10:28] um

[10:29] 92 communities, they surveyed 92

[10:32] communities, and we were the second

[10:34] highest

[10:36] uh response rate of any community of

[10:38] those So, we, you know,

[10:41] second best.

[10:42] Um we received 1,326

[10:45] surveys.

[10:46] And then, of course, Provo is one of two

[10:48] gold communities in Utah. The other one

[10:52] is Park City.

[10:56] Uh Park City, so.

[10:58] Um so, let's get into the basically the

[11:02] survey results. Uh participants were

[11:05] asked to select all that apply. So, we

[11:08] had people that live here, people that

[11:10] work here, or people that go to school

[11:11] here.

[11:12] Uh

[11:13] some live in the neighboring city. Uh

[11:15] they might commute in or whatever, or

[11:18] they just uh got wind of it, and so they

[11:20] took the survey.

[11:22] Uh so, you can kind of see where people

[11:24] are at.

[11:25] Uh they ride a bike here, they're

[11:27] actively involved in bike advocacy.

[11:29] There's a a hundred or so that's

[11:31] involved in

[11:33] Um some involved in the statewide bike

[11:35] advocacy.

[11:36] Um some live here seasonal or part-time.

[11:41] Our demographics, this is what they

[11:43] didn't originally give me when I first

[11:46] got the results. I had to uh

[11:49] state the reason why I wanted this data.

[11:52] And so I think the age cohorts were

[11:54] really important for us to get. And then

[11:57] also what was important to get is we

[12:00] talk about

[12:01] gender equality as as far as design and

[12:04] also for disability, we wanted those

[12:06] numbers.

[12:08] So you can kind of see our age cohorts

[12:10] there. Uh 31 to 45 being the largest

[12:13] cohort. I was kind of thinking it might

[12:15] be, you know, uh 22 to 30 but

[12:19] it's close but it wasn't.

[12:21] Um gender you can see pretty well split.

[12:24] Um

[12:26] 49% uh are are the male and then then uh

[12:30] women are make up I believe 46%.

[12:34] Um

[12:35] some chose not to answer.

[12:37] Or affiliated with a

[12:39] different type.

[12:40] Um and then our disability um

[12:44] I thought this was interesting about 11%

[12:47] said yes, they have some type of

[12:49] disability um in that respect. And so as

[12:52] we

[12:53] think about design of our infrastructure

[12:56] for bikes and peds, uh certainly need to

[12:58] keep that in mind.

[13:01] How often do you use a bicycle? Um at

[13:04] least once a week, almost 700

[13:06] respondents said at least once a week,

[13:09] which is pretty pretty healthy.

[13:11] Um some took the survey, over 200 of

[13:14] them, "Well, I never use a bike."

[13:16] I thought that was funny.

[13:18] Um use in the last 30 days, you can see

[13:21] that quite a few people use within the 1

[13:24] to 7 days. It doesn't quite match,

[13:26] right? At least once a week and then

[13:28] once in the last 7 days it doesn't quite

[13:30] match there, but um

[13:34] you can see that there's a strong

[13:36] group of people that do ride a bike. Uh

[13:40] if you total those up, uh certainly with

[13:42] every month they're out on the bike.

[13:46] Primary purpose for your bicycle trips?

[13:49] Um some people just use it for

[13:51] transportation. Uh others use it for

[13:53] exercise, recreation, and work. And then

[13:57] there were a few that said they do not

[13:59] ride.

[14:00] And I'm assuming

[14:02] um

[14:03] that that's

[14:06] um

[14:07] some of the people that do not ride that took the survey.

[14:10] Well over 200 people. So, it's kind of

[14:13] interesting.

[14:15] Welcome Counselor Whipple. Thank you.

[14:18] I hope that wasn't a bike accident.

[14:21] No.

[14:23] But thank you. Okay.

[14:25] You think there is a thing that is

[14:30] Uh we're just going over the

[14:31] bicycle-friendly community survey. Um

[14:35] So, uh top five barriers that prevent

[14:38] you from biking?

[14:39] So, this was asked people who answered

[14:41] that never to the question of how often

[14:44] they bike. But I believe there's about a

[14:46] little over 200 or approaching 250 that

[14:49] said they never bike. And this is the

[14:52] reason why. Uh one, don't have access to

[14:54] bicycle. Uh live too far away from the

[14:57] destinations that they need to go.

[15:00] Um have a bike in a very long time and

[15:02] not confident in riding.

[15:04] Uh weather's not conducive to biking and

[15:06] then I'm not physically able to.

[15:08] So, um

[15:11] what what I saw from that

[15:15] was a positive thing. And the reason why

[15:18] I saw that as positive it wasn't like

[15:20] saying there's lack of infrastructure.

[15:22] Okay. And we'll kind of talk a little

[15:24] bit about that, too.

[15:26] Top five changes that would help

[15:28] encourage you to bike.

[15:30] Uh not interested in biking at all. So,

[15:32] now all of a sudden it shows up that we

[15:35] want more trails and and off-street bike

[15:38] paths.

[15:39] So, that's where a lot of people feel

[15:41] comfortable driving.

[15:42] And then, I like the next three.

[15:45] Eliminating distracted driving.

[15:48] Slowing down car traffic and educating

[15:50] drivers. All three of those to me are

[15:52] the about the same topic, right? The

[15:54] same issue. Falls in that same category.

[15:59] Have you or your kids received any

[16:01] bicycle safety training? Um this is

[16:04] where I think

[16:06] um our fellow nonprofit advocacy groups

[16:10] are missing the boat. Um look how many

[16:14] uh have no in that category in the last

[16:16] 5 years. Nearly 90%. We're just not

[16:19] seeing it taught anywhere. It's not

[16:21] being taught in the schools. It's not

[16:23] being taught at safety fairs. It's not

[16:26] being really promoted. Um so, I think

[16:30] um that would be an area of emphasis if

[16:33] I were a nonprofit and I was really a a

[16:37] bicycle advocacy group, I'd be thinking

[16:39] about that. I'd be looking into that.

[16:42] Uh training received in K-12.

[16:45] Uh you see what we finally did get some,

[16:48] um but it's more than 2/3, you know,

[16:52] basically not receiving any of that. Um

[16:55] I like the back-to-school safety fairs

[16:57] and when they come down and they teach

[16:59] kids how to ride and give away free

[17:00] helmets. They do these bike safety

[17:03] fairs. I really like that.

[17:09] Yeah. There's a couple schools that

[17:11] really embrace it. Um and the highway

[17:13] safety office is really a good

[17:15] organization that helps promote some of

[17:17] that.

[17:18] Um

[17:19] even zero fatalities

[17:23] uh will help out

[17:25] with

[17:26] educating these elementary schools.

[17:29] Bike Utah

[17:30] has a curriculum, too.

[17:33] Yeah, Bike Utah does have some

[17:36] curriculum, and that's where I think

[17:38] you know, they can't do every single

[17:40] school in the state, of course. They're

[17:42] underpowered and understaffed in that

[17:44] respect, but

[17:46] I think uh local advocacy for educating

[17:50] um would would it could improve there.

[17:54] Okay.

[17:55] Uh let's move on to the next one. Are

[17:58] bike paths or bike lanes available

[18:00] within a quarter mile of where you live?

[18:03] So, almost 2/3 have said, "Yes, there

[18:07] are bike paths or paths away from the

[18:09] road." But then, if you go to the bike

[18:12] lanes,

[18:13] look at that, 90%

[18:15] live within a quarter of a mile of

[18:17] on-street bike lane.

[18:19] So, that is great, but I really like to

[18:23] see how we can improve some of the bike paths away from the road, too,

[18:29] or

[18:31] do we need to convert some of these to

[18:33] protected bike lanes so they feel more

[18:36] comfortable in that respect?

[18:39] How satisfied are you with how this

[18:40] community is designed for making bike

[18:42] riding safe?

[18:44] Some were very satisfied, some were

[18:46] somewhat satisfied. And then, if you

[18:48] take a look at neither satisfied or

[18:51] dissatisfied,

[18:53] um all the way down to very

[18:54] dissatisfied, you'll see that all those

[18:57] add up to less than the amount that's

[19:00] happy or somewhat satisfied.

[19:03] So,

[19:03] I I take that as as kind of a positive

[19:06] thing, but also we need to continue to

[19:11] um

[19:12] implement our plans and build more

[19:14] infrastructure.

[19:16] Is it safe or dangerous to ride in a

[19:18] bicycle in your neighborhood? Some

[19:19] people think that it's fun.

[19:22] When you give someone the middle

[19:23] opportunity, it depends instead of

[19:26] forcing them to say yes or no,

[19:28] you're going to get a lot of that it it

[19:30] depends type thing and that's what we

[19:32] see here.

[19:35] Always. Yeah.

[19:37] No, it depends. Yeah.

[19:40] You can always think of a situation that

[19:42] you go either way. Yeah. Yeah, that's

[19:44] funny.

[19:46] Top reasons you feel it is dangerous to

[19:48] ride a bicycle in your neighborhood. I

[19:50] think these are important to realize

[19:52] again that this centers around a little

[19:54] bit of our traffic. Only one really says

[19:58] too few bike lanes or bike paths. The

[20:00] other four, in my opinion, kind of

[20:04] relate to us as motorists,

[20:07] distracted drivers or riders. So,

[20:09] there's there's distracted bicyclists

[20:12] out there, too. I'm going to say I'd

[20:14] really be interested to see this broken

[20:16] down between cuz they said fast-moving

[20:18] traffic.

[20:20] I would really be interested to see this

[20:21] broken down

[20:23] are they doing it from a person who's on

[20:25] a pedal manpower bike or are they doing

[20:28] it from a perspective of a person on an

[20:30] e-bike? Yeah. And what is the breakdown

[20:33] of oh, there's fast-moving traffic. Are

[20:35] you talking about the cars? Are you

[20:36] talking about e-bikes and all of the

[20:39] electric stuff that's out there now that

[20:41] are using the bike lanes along with

[20:42] people who pedal bikes. I I would tend

[20:45] to believe that this relates more to the

[20:47] fast-moving vehicular traffic and the

[20:49] only reason I say that is because this

[20:51] is not a pedestrian survey.

[20:54] I was If this was a pedestrian survey,

[20:56] we got people that walk on our trails

[20:58] all the time and then when we have

[21:01] bicyclists or the the bicyclists with electric

[21:06] scooters going really fast. It's It's

[21:09] not very comfortable.

[21:11] >> The only reason I asked that is because

[21:12] distracted

[21:14] drivers/riders implies that it's more

[21:16] than just right. There is. Yeah, and it

[21:19] could be motorcyclists, too.

[21:21] You know.

[21:22] Um

[21:24] A motorcyclist can scare the heck out of

[21:26] someone.

[21:28] Just Just by Yeah, revving it up. At

[21:31] least he can

[21:32] Now And now And that's the whole point.

[21:35] Do you know why motorcyclists do that,

[21:37] right? So, you hear them that they're

[21:40] there. They want their presence to be

[21:42] known, so they don't

[21:45] get hit. Um that's why a lot of them do

[21:47] it.

[21:48] Hi, Steve. Yep. Okay. It's also a matter

[21:51] of pride.

[21:52] Steve and I both ride motorcycles, so

[21:57] I just want you guys to know how cool I

[21:58] am.

[22:00] If you spend $2,000 on those

[22:02] well-cared-for

[22:04] this thing

[22:05] >> Noise goes along with that, too. I see

[22:07] pedestrians. Most people see

[22:08] pedestrians. I see willing observers of

[22:11] my awesomeness.

[22:15] We'll get We'll get that in a minute.

[22:17] You're very proud of the new Harley

[22:19] pipes they've converted on their bikes,

[22:21] right? Or the lack thereof.

[22:26] Okay, top three recommendations to

[22:27] become more bicycle friendly. More

[22:30] protected or separated bike

[22:31] infrastructure.

[22:33] Better driver behavior through education

[22:35] and enforcement. And then finally, a

[22:37] connected continuous bike route network.

[22:40] And a connected continuous bike network

[22:43] is a reflection on the region, not

[22:45] necessarily just Provo by itself. So,

[22:48] for me, it's the Provo-Orem region,

[22:50] although we're doing a study right now

[22:52] to connect Springville, and we're going

[22:54] to be doing another study, uh it sounds

[22:56] like, with the Lake Authority and MAG to

[22:59] look at the extension of the lake and

[23:03] Utah County to the Lake Utah going south

[23:07] through Springville and Spanish Fork.

[23:10] Top three hazards or barriers that

[23:12] should be addressed immediately.

[23:15] So this is education of drivers. There's This is a common theme

[23:19] throughout this survey. is that

[23:23] bicyclists are feeling unsafe because of

[23:27] the distracted driving

[23:29] uh behavior. So

[23:31] um unprotected or missing bike

[23:32] infrastructure. That's why I like to get

[23:35] those connected. Um

[23:38] Protected is another story. Uh there's

[23:41] the protected bike lanes that we have on

[23:44] Cougar

[23:45] are people like them and people hate

[23:47] them. There's not really anybody in

[23:49] between. Uh even bicyclists themselves

[23:53] will tell me, "I don't like it." or "I

[23:55] love it."

[23:57] Even them themselves are are saying,

[23:59] "Hey, this is as controversial as a a

[24:01] driver."

[24:03] Then obstructions and maintenance and I think that's a common theme with

[24:07] rocks and tires and just We see it all

[24:10] over the interstate and we do a better

[24:12] job with the maintenance and getting rid

[24:15] of some of the obstructions.

[24:18] Top three community efforts that are

[24:19] deserving of praise.

[24:21] Uh the bike trails and off-street. I

[24:23] mean, people love the Provo River Trail.

[24:25] It's a gem. We're happy to have it. I

[24:28] wish we had more of it along the river,

[24:30] but that's what we have.

[24:32] Bike lanes and protected infrastructure

[24:34] like Cougar Boulevard. Again, this is

[24:36] coming from the the people that took the

[24:39] survey and then bike walk Provo and

[24:41] community programs. And then we love our

[24:44] advocacy groups because they help

[24:46] fulfill needs that

[24:50] as a city we don't fulfill, right? Uh

[24:53] they help with uh Uh, I and and we got

[24:56] to continue to see our Provo Bike Club get up and running

[25:01] again

[25:03] because they do things that help us as a

[25:06] community

[25:07] uh, with giving away bikes, um,

[25:10] teaching how to repair bikes, teaching

[25:12] bike safety,

[25:14] um, and quite frankly employing a few

[25:16] people, too.

[25:18] So, there are some positive things there

[25:20] that we need to make sure that that particular uh, advocacy group

[25:25] continues forward.

[25:28] Uh, top three other comments and

[25:29] feedback, feeling unsafe due to driver

[25:32] behavior. I think we know that that's a

[25:34] pretty common theme. Uh, strong divide

[25:36] between bike support and car first

[25:38] perspectives. And that is not a Provo or

[25:41] a Utah thing. That is a nationwide

[25:44] thing. And the upcoming transportation

[25:47] bill,

[25:48] um,

[25:50] they're kind of inhibit all funding for

[25:53] bicyclists and active transportation in

[25:55] that bill. That would be wrong and that

[25:57] would set us back.

[25:58] >> What bill?

[26:00] So, every five or six years the

[26:01] transportation surface bill comes along,

[26:04] surface transportation bill comes along.

[26:06] At the federal level? At the federal

[26:08] level. And it will come out probably in

[26:11] September-October time frame of this

[26:13] year.

[26:14] And there are

[26:16] reports that they are going to be

[26:20] roadway centric instead of

[26:23] uh, what we've seen in the past couple

[26:24] of bills where we have support for both

[26:28] bicycle infrastructure and pedestrian

[26:29] infrastructure.

[26:31] And then finally, lack of education

[26:33] enforcement

[26:35] uh, surrounding e-bikes and scooters.

[26:37] Uh, this committee is no stranger to

[26:39] that conversation.

[26:43] Right?

[26:44] Okay.

[26:45] Um, recommendations to go from a gold,

[26:49] which again only two communities in the

[26:51] state of Utah are gold, Park City and

[26:53] Provo.

[26:54] And

[26:56] um if we want to go to

[26:59] five.

[27:00] Um these are some of the recommendations

[27:03] and they all

[27:05] have

[27:06] budgetary constraints for the most part.

[27:11] And and you know, I can argue a couple

[27:13] of those we need to do.

[27:15] Um and a couple of those I can argue

[27:19] we're doing great by this being a shared

[27:24] responsibility across

[27:27] departments of the city as opposed to

[27:30] one full-time paid bicycle program

[27:32] manager.

[27:34] So,

[27:35] um

[27:37] that's some of the recommendations they

[27:38] gave us.

[27:39] And it's in our report card that they

[27:41] give us as feedback.

[27:43] Overall, I'm really happy and excited

[27:45] that we went from silver to gold. I

[27:48] think it's a real feather in the cap of

[27:50] Provo City.

[27:52] Just so you know, uh since that time

[27:55] I've been in

[27:57] asked to participate in two webinars

[28:00] uh because we went from silver to gold,

[28:02] which I have done.

[28:03] And next week I 20 people were invited

[28:07] uh to a international symposium being

[28:11] held in Detroit next Wednesday and

[28:13] Thursday. 20 people across the country

[28:16] that deal with transportation mobility

[28:18] in their communities.

[28:20] And I was selected as one of those. I

[28:21] didn't put in for it, but we got

[28:23] selected. Um

[28:25] and it's because of all the things that

[28:28] we have here.

[28:30] People don't realize we have a

[28:31] world-class

[28:33] rail system.

[28:35] Both on the freight side, but more

[28:36] importantly on the commuter rail side,

[28:39] we have a world-class BRT system. Before

[28:42] COVID, it was the second highest

[28:44] ridership in the country.

[28:47] Um only Portland was beating this out.

[28:50] Um, and then we have done so well with

[28:54] our uh bike and active transportation uh

[28:58] infrastructure that we put forth and

[29:01] have built.

[29:02] And so, not to mention some of the

[29:05] freight and some of that other stuff

[29:07] that um

[29:08] we have nationally recognized for.

[29:10] You have a great transportation system,

[29:13] you're going to have a great economy.

[29:16] And just yesterday I heard that we were

[29:19] that for the 19th year in a row, Utah

[29:22] has the best economic outlook of any

[29:24] state in the country.

[29:25] Transportation has a lot to do with

[29:27] that.

[29:28] Okay, comments, questions, suggestions.

[29:30] Uh I presented this in front of T-MAC.

[29:32] You guys are the first ones to see it.

[29:34] Uh it goes to City Council work session

[29:36] if they want it. I submitted I think I

[29:38] submitted it today.

[29:40] Um

[29:41] and then it will go to uh I'm presenting

[29:43] it in front of Bike Walk on May 7th

[29:45] uh at their

[29:47] uh meeting at their monthly coordination

[29:49] meeting.

[29:52] Uh I'm going to make a comment but I'm

[29:53] going to make a comment probably more

[29:55] towards my neighborhood

[29:58] versus T-MAC road.

[30:00] Uh when we were talking about the

[30:01] Southwest Provo plan, we talked about

[30:04] integrating trails inside communities in

[30:09] the Southwest and that was kind of

[30:11] knocked down, unfortunately, but I think

[30:13] it's going to be up to the council

[30:15] whether they want to change policies and

[30:19] developments, building developments and

[30:20] building out especially in the area like

[30:23] Southwest Provo to be able to add these

[30:25] bike lanes and bike friendly communities

[30:28] that would be separated from the main

[30:30] traffic lanes and be able to up that

[30:33] active transportation in that area.

[30:35] Yeah, and I can let you know in our

[30:37] review

[30:39] um

[30:40] uh both Development Services and Public

[30:42] works get together every Monday and

[30:44] Wednesday and we review projects.

[30:46] There's a subdivision coming in.

[30:49] And

[30:50] first thing we said, right? Hey, that's

[30:52] a that's a waterway and you need to

[30:55] develop a bike trail along that trail

[30:57] along that waterway.

[30:58] So

[30:59] I'm happy to hear that actually. Not

[31:02] only is staff very cognizant of that,

[31:05] but so is the planning commission and

[31:06] city council.

[31:08] I've seen nothing but Hey,

[31:10] we're you know, if you're going to do

[31:12] this, you need to add that. So

[31:15] I've just been impressed with the planning commission and city council

[31:19] being very aware of these types of

[31:21] developments.

[31:23] And getting them off of just the

[31:24] collectors, right? Having the

[31:25] neighborhood bike ways.

[31:29] Thoughts?

[31:30] And the council we got a couple council

[31:32] members here, T-Mac members.

[31:36] Again, we were the second best in the

[31:37] country for having the most responses

[31:39] and I think that said a lot of what

[31:42] Joseph's not here today, but Joseph and

[31:44] I immediately ordered 40 signs. We got

[31:47] the council, we got the mayor's office,

[31:49] we got everybody tweeting it out or

[31:51] posting it on social media and then we

[31:53] went out along the trail, we placed I

[31:55] think we placed 40 or 50 uh

[31:58] you know, garage sale political signs

[32:00] all over along the trails, BYU campus.

[32:04] By the way, we could only locate about

[32:06] 25 of them when we went to pick them up

[32:08] a year month later.

[32:10] Um

[32:11] So really really happy about that and I

[32:14] think that says a lot of Provo

[32:17] residents who who want to be heard and they certainly have been with that

[32:22] survey. Were they all Provo residents?

[32:24] Did that controlled No. They were all

[32:27] Provo residents. In fact

[32:28] >> it more than once?

[32:29] Um

[32:31] I don't think they were allowed to do it

[32:34] more than once. I can't remember, but

[32:37] we'll go back to

[32:39] the survey itself.

[32:41] Uh

[32:43] Where is that?

[32:46] Here, let me go further back.

[32:48] That was that it right there?

[32:50] Uh participants were asked to select all

[32:52] that apply, and you can see that there

[32:55] were some that live in a neighboring

[32:57] city.

[32:58] Uh some work or go to school here.

[33:01] Oh

[33:02] there you

[33:05] So, if you think this is valuable, we

[33:07] just put it down for a work session for

[33:09] 5-10 minute presentation to you

[33:12] and the rest of members.

[33:19] And that's like

[33:21] Oh, you can get your bike back through

[33:23] the portal. So, that's what we tried to

[33:24] explain to you all.

[33:26] We said we have the mandatory bike

[33:28] registration. In fact, it's not

[33:29] mandatory, is it? It's voluntary.

[33:32] It is mandatory.

[33:33] >> It is mandatory. So, we have to

[33:35] So, that allows the police officers to

[33:37] return a stolen bike. Yeah, it really

[33:40] helps.

[33:41] Probably one of our biggest

[33:44] advocacies as far as getting the stolen

[33:46] bikes back is that bike registration.

[33:49] And I think we need to say that. I

[33:51] thought we did in the application.

[33:54] >> No, like they got to come down to the

[33:55] police department anymore. You literally

[33:56] just submit it online. You guys believe

[33:58] that people ride bikes to work

[34:00] actually need to use them

[34:03] Very easy to get your bike registered.

[34:05] It's not like it's a

[34:07] Why didn't you

[34:07] >> register in a car?

[34:09] No, I have to register my bike because

[34:11] if they get my bike stolen, your odds of

[34:13] getting it back are much, much higher if

[34:15] it's been registered. And how much does

[34:17] it cost? Is it free? Free. It's free.

[34:19] >> It's free. As long as it says free, we

[34:21] should be able to make that argument,

[34:23] counselor.

[34:24] Okay? And I think It used to be a

[34:26] dollar. Bike walking encourages people

[34:29] to do that. So, we just need to say

[34:32] education back to education.

[34:37] Okay, we showed that my chart again and

[34:40] showed why people are bicycling. I

[34:41] thought it said 0% for work.

[34:44] For what?

[34:45] Uh, is that before this one? Was that

[34:47] one I think right?

[34:52] Uh,

[34:53] which chart?

[34:55] The pie chart? And

[34:57] 0% for work, is that legit?

[35:00] Transportation and recreation. I think

[35:02] they're probably included that

[35:04] transportation. So, that would be a

[35:06] survey question.

[35:08] >> Speaking like, are you a bike cop?

[35:10] After you ride a bicycle to work? Well,

[35:11] I think we we didn't know if they were

[35:13] driving to work.

[35:14] It just seems I understand like like in New York, right? They use

[35:19] bicyclists to deliver packages and stuff

[35:21] like that.

[35:22] Somebody that rides a bike for their

[35:24] job. Yeah, I I think it's

[35:27] we don't have too many

[35:29] people delivering packages in New York.

[35:32] I know I see a lot of Door Dashers on

[35:35] bikes.

[35:39] In higher density cities, they're there.

[35:45] Anything else anybody wanted to see? And

[35:48] is this correct? I just did, of course,

[35:49] Google Gemini is not the source of all

[35:51] truth as I've discovered, but there are

[35:54] no platinum level bicycle communities in

[35:56] Utah. There's only three country wide is

[35:59] what it says. Yes. That is That is

[36:01] correct. Fort Collins became a platinum

[36:04] level community

[36:05] this year, this go around with us, and

[36:08] Boulder lost their platinum community

[36:10] because they didn't stay up and submit.

[36:13] They didn't resubmit. Oh. And uh They

[36:17] probably haven't degraded their

[36:18] services. They just didn't do

[36:21] That is correct. And that's kind of a challenge, you know,

[36:24] with this cuz it does take a

[36:26] considerable effort to put forth. That That's money, right? I mean, that's

[36:31] Yeah. Yeah, it's too bad you can't just

[36:33] say, "We're still here." and like skip

[36:36] the paperwork. I know.

[36:38] Put it this way. Um

[36:40] with the amount of work that we put

[36:41] forth and the amount of

[36:44] funding that we were able to prove that

[36:46] we put forth on active transportation

[36:48] over the last 5 years,

[36:51] if we were to receive a silver status

[36:54] award,

[36:56] I would have recommended that we're done

[36:58] with the League of American Bicyclists.

[37:01] Um just because if you can't get it

[37:04] investing 21 million over the over the

[37:06] last 5 years, how do you get it, right?

[37:10] And so, um but they came through. And

[37:13] I'm all supportive. Like I said, they've

[37:15] asked me to participate in a couple

[37:16] webinars now, and I'm totally

[37:19] supportive, and their colleagues are very professional,

[37:23] and um in fact,

[37:26] I've been asked now to help review other

[37:28] people's uh

[37:31] applications,

[37:32] um and be able to provide feedback. And

[37:35] one of the things I'm going to provide feedback is those two items that

[37:39] we just talked about. One is the bike

[37:41] registration, and the other one is one

[37:43] full-time person. Cuz I honestly don't

[37:46] believe that one full-time program

[37:48] manager is going to be able to do all

[37:51] that all the departments participate in

[37:54] and and bicycle infrastructure.

[38:02] I'm going to this.

[38:05] Yeah.

[38:06] So, I I I want to be Yeah, this would be

[38:09] my first year I get to review. It's such

[38:11] a pain that no one can review additional

[38:14] places that would apply

[38:16] if it wasn't so lengthy. Yeah, I think

[38:18] it is a little

[38:21] intimidating and maybe even cost

[38:22] prohibitive from other cities. I was

[38:25] telling this to a consultant,

[38:27] uh friend of mine, and she said, "Bern,

[38:30] you know that's what we're here for,

[38:32] right?"

[38:33] I said, "I know, but

[38:35] I didn't want to come in and spend money

[38:37] right away on something I thought we

[38:39] could do in-house.

[38:41] Maybe next time in 4 years it might be

[38:43] something, but now that we've got most

[38:45] of the application filled out

[38:49] and the way it is, I think it'll be

[38:50] easier next time. We know where to

[38:52] collect the data, we know how to obtain

[38:54] the data, so I think in-house will be

[38:56] the way to go next time. It'll be a

[38:58] little easier for us.

[39:02] Okay.

[39:02] >> It says here, of course, once again,

[39:03] this is Google Gemini, so but this says

[39:06] that Provo, Park City, and Salt Lake are

[39:08] all gold. Is Salt Lake not?

[39:10] >> not.

[39:11] There's an error. Not gold. Moab and

[39:13] Cottonwood Heights, silver. Does that

[39:15] sound right?

[39:16] >> Uh yeah, that's probably that's probably

[39:18] right. Yep.

[39:19] And then Davis, California, Fort

[39:21] Collins, Colorado, Madison, Wisconsin.

[39:23] They say Provo's a recent upgrade to

[39:25] gold was fueled by an investment of

[39:27] approximately $21 million in bike

[39:29] infrastructure since 2020 with another

[39:31] 46 million

[39:33] projected over the next 5 years. Given

[39:35] that trajectory, it is the most likely

[39:37] candidate to eventually reach platinum

[39:39] in the state. I cannot believe that

[39:41] something is that accurate on that AI.

[39:46] That was all accurate.

[39:48] I don't like Gemini challenging you to

[39:49] reach platinum.

[39:51] What it sounds like. I didn't I didn't

[39:53] say it was Provo, you know. That's that's spot on. Okay. Okay.

[39:59] Awesome. Well, thank you so much.

[40:02] I appreciate that.

[40:03] Um we do have one item of business that

[40:06] I kind of

[40:07] brushed over real quick. Uh our June

[40:10] meeting, because it's on June 18th,

[40:13] and there are several members that are

[40:15] not going to be able to.

[40:18] Uh we would want to to move that one

[40:20] week earlier to June 11th.

[40:29] Just say yes, that's a good thing. I'm

[40:31] very happy.

[40:32] It's June 11th. And was there a reason

[40:34] we didn't also explore June 25th?

[40:38] I would like not cuz that is

[40:41] 5 days before my daughter's wedding.

[40:42] Okay, I understand. It is my June 11th

[40:45] sounds better. I think June 11th is 7

[40:48] days before my son's wedding. Well, I

[40:49] will not be I will not be as involved as

[40:52] you were as a mom. I get that.

[40:55] You know, fewer than Anybody else got

[40:57] children Apparently this is the year for

[40:59] marriage. The 25th will be done.

[41:02] Patrice, you got children of marrying

[41:04] age, don't you?

[41:05] Yes.

[41:07] You got 7 days, 5 days. I guess

[41:10] Okay. And then that's it.

[41:12] That work for everybody? June 11th? June

[41:14] 11th. Perfect. Okay, let's I we do we

[41:17] have to say we move to

[41:19] Is this an approval thing or just a

[41:21] It's not an action item.

[41:23] It's an action item. Um if you wanted

[41:26] to, you could have someone make a

[41:27] motion, but I think it's just us

[41:29] advertising it correctly.

[41:32] So, June 11th it will be.

[41:34] Okay. We're going to go through this

[41:37] next item pretty quick. Uh East-West

[41:39] connectivity discussion, this is going

[41:40] to be our big major

[41:42] kind of thing for the year. Uh I've

[41:44] already asked Burn to pull some numbers

[41:46] for the next uh next meeting. We're

[41:49] going to be pulling a lot of numbers

[41:50] about road capacity, differences between

[41:53] arterial connectors, all of that stuff

[41:55] to kind of get an idea of what our roads

[41:58] are in the city and what the capacity

[41:59] they're at right now. Is there anybody

[42:02] who has something a burning desire for

[42:06] information that maybe Burn can provide?

[42:10] And we're And this is regards to we're

[42:12] talking from the lake to the mountains

[42:14] is what we're we're looking at the whole

[42:16] spectrum of East-West connectivity.

[42:24] What she has asked me to put together,

[42:26] just so you're aware, will go over the

[42:28] functional classification of our street

[42:30] system. So, we'll talk about locals,

[42:32] collectors, and arterials.

[42:34] Uh with that, we'll talk about uh

[42:37] the cross sections that correspond

[42:40] equally to the local collectors and

[42:42] arterials if they were being built

[42:44] today.

[42:45] Standards have changed since 1849.

[42:48] Um

[42:49] and then

[42:50] we will look at some volumes of our

[42:53] East-West connections, a few

[42:54] north-south, but mostly East-West. And

[42:57] we'll look at volume to capacity ratios.

[43:00] So,

[43:02] um it's important to maybe look at And

[43:04] these will be pre-numbers prior to the

[43:07] 820 North Bridge and 820 North closing.

[43:10] So, we'll have some pretty good numbers

[43:11] from 2023.

[43:13] Um

[43:15] and then we'll talk about that capacity.

[43:17] And you guys can kind of look at that

[43:19] and and

[43:21] really start to say, "Well, jeez, if

[43:23] we're at this much percentage capacity

[43:25] already on the roadways, where's our

[43:27] next East-West connectivity?"

[43:29] We all know the barriers, right? We have

[43:31] the river, we have I-15, we have the

[43:33] railroad tracks, just to name a few.

[43:40] I I've kind of also asked him to look at

[43:43] how easy it is to get to university and

[43:45] then the time from university to

[43:47] freeways and our regional

[43:50] transportation hubs and

[43:53] universities is one of our major hubs,

[43:55] also. So,

[43:56] we can get to university, how does how

[43:58] long does it take to get from university

[44:00] to the freeway?

[44:01] And we have major routes

[44:03] of commuting and everything that affects

[44:06] our

[44:07] people coming in and

[44:08] Yeah, University Avenue, sorry. Not Not

[44:10] Parkway. Oh, I was going to make you say

[44:12] G University, like Oh, I hear what

[44:15] you're saying.

[44:16] Well, yeah, we all know BYU is a little

[44:18] chunk that you have to get around.

[44:20] Right.

[44:23] Any other

[44:26] information you guys might want to look

[44:28] at?

[44:31] I think we've got some partial

[44:34] connectors, right? Like it's a good

[44:35] east-west if you're east of University

[44:38] or if you're west of University, but

[44:40] those two chunks don't necessarily look

[44:43] continuous.

[44:44] We've got much

[44:46] far fewer continuous ones that go all

[44:48] the way across.

[44:50] Yeah, and we got a couple that are just

[44:52] two blocks away for maybe I mean

[44:55] a a full activity.

[44:58] So, we'll we'll we can talk about that.

[45:00] We'll show the plan and we'll just kind

[45:02] of

[45:03] talk about

[45:04] uh

[45:05] two connections that we do have planned

[45:07] uh to make and then if the council came

[45:11] across, you know, 100 million, what

[45:14] other connections we wanted to do and so

[45:16] we'll talk about the 920 overpass to

[45:19] uh State Street uh

[45:21] over the railroad crossing.

[45:23] So, we'll talk about a couple fun

[45:24] things.

[45:25] I know something that citizens of talk

[45:28] to me about on the west side is um

[45:30] getting an ambulance getting to the

[45:32] hospital on the west side.

[45:35] You know, what happens if you run into

[45:36] the train and how much longer it takes

[45:37] and how much longer it would be if there

[45:39] was better connectivity there, if we

[45:40] could go go over the tracks under the

[45:41] tracks so you don't run into the tracks.

[45:43] I don't know, that's been a That's

[45:46] something I didn't think about until

[45:48] they talked to me about it, but they're worried about getting out if

[45:51] there was some

[45:53] disaster

[45:55] get the higher land and ambulance trips.

[45:58] And

[46:00] I was talking to a gentleman last week

[46:03] um talking about the west side,

[46:05] particularly the southwest side. And how

[46:08] they were saying they just don't have a

[46:09] lot of transportation options and

[46:12] I've been here a long time, so I

[46:14] immediately said you have two new ones

[46:17] that you didn't have 10 years ago.

[46:19] Okay? That is the connection I-15 at

[46:22] Lake View Parkway. That wasn't here 10

[46:24] years ago.

[46:25] And 500 West underneath the tracks or

[46:28] underneath I-15 wasn't here uh

[46:32] 10 years ago, right? Uh we have those on

[46:35] our plan. And so now instead of just

[46:38] having them have to either go up to 920

[46:40] or Center Street, now they got 5th West

[46:43] and Lake View Parkway. So there's four

[46:45] that Southwest Pro has connection to.

[46:49] But

[46:50] Brian, we have to evacuate somehow

[46:54] you know, 30,000 people on the west

[46:56] side, how would it do that?

[47:00] Oh, excellent.

[47:02] Brian's going to pull numbers for us the

[47:04] next time we will On another point, I

[47:06] also know that um

[47:08] Polynesian is willing to do a punch

[47:10] through. And that's one of the two that

[47:12] we're going to show next week or next

[47:15] month.

[47:17] If you would have had it on the 25th,

[47:19] that would have given me more time to

[47:20] prepare, but you got me on the 11th, so.

[47:25] Okay.

[47:27] any other comments, questions,

[47:29] concerns about about East West

[47:30] connectivity. I'm interested to know

[47:32] that Google Gemini thinks that the TMA

[47:35] is currently conducting a data-driven

[47:37] East-West connectivity study with key

[47:39] areas of focus including the freeway as

[47:41] a barrier, bench to freeway connections,

[47:44] and the 820 North Corridor project. Is

[47:47] it Is it listening to us? No, I'm asking

[47:49] questions, but I'm kind of like oh, I

[47:51] did not know this.

[47:53] Anyway, there you

[47:59] So Is that Microsoft's one or No, no, it's Google Gemini. Google Gemini.

[48:04] Yeah. I I I actually just asked it how

[48:06] well does the Provo um

[48:08] transportation master plan Just prove

[48:11] follow FHWA and other national

[48:13] guidelines for spacing of facilities.

[48:15] So, What did it say about that? Uh it

[48:17] says we are lacking in east-west

[48:19] connectivity.

[48:21] That's half the discussion, right? And

[48:23] the three principal things that are

[48:25] problems are the I-15 Freeway, the Union

[48:28] Pacific FrontRunner Rail Corridor, and

[48:31] Provo River and topography. I I'm

[48:33] serious. That thing is listening to us.

[48:35] It's not. Right now.

[48:36] >> But I am concerned that it thinks C-MAC

[48:38] is doing this so much better.

[48:41] So, there you go.

[48:42] I have a buddy.

[48:44] Okay. Thank you. Thank you for that.

[48:45] I'll have to look at Gemini.

[48:47] Okay. Our last item on the agenda is

[48:50] engineering projects update.

[48:54] Oh, I should be

[48:56] Yeah, engineering project updates. I

[48:58] don't have a official presentation that

[49:01] uh

[49:02] that I'm going to pull up, but I'm what

[49:03] I'm going to do is In fact, I should go

[49:06] Two weeks ago, I presented I was invited

[49:08] as a guest speaker uh for one of the

[49:11] classes of Professor McFarland who's out

[49:13] of country.

[49:15] Um I presented to a group of 45-50

[49:18] students. The presentation was well

[49:20] received. The city was

[49:22] uh appreciated and applauded for all the

[49:24] hard work we do, specifically targeting

[49:26] transportation um areas, active

[49:28] transportation to to be specific.

[49:31] Uh the citizens were pretty short on

[49:33] other methods that we look as city

[49:36] officials, such as CDBG grants, MAG

[49:38] grants, and UDOT grants, and other state

[49:41] and federal grants that we apply for to

[49:43] get some of these uh gaps or

[49:46] safety active transportation issues uh

[49:48] resolved in the quickest manner. So, uh

[49:50] very I would say it was uh, a very

[49:53] engaging class and um,

[49:55] uh, very well received on their end um,

[49:58] the presentation that I um, that I gave.

[50:01] Uh, for this meeting, the projects that

[50:03] I want to kind of go over um, we did

[50:06] started our crack seal project about 3

[50:08] weeks ago. The project is going well um,

[50:11] it is a little bit on the slower side.

[50:12] The weather has a lot to do with it.

[50:14] Whenever we have rain and and cold

[50:15] weather,

[50:16] those are the days that um, our

[50:18] contractor, they do not work. Uh, but

[50:21] overall, they're targeting two areas,

[50:23] the Grandview area as well as the South

[50:25] State Street by California Avenue,

[50:27] Nevada Avenue, those areas.

[50:29] Um, no major issues or complaints, so

[50:31] things are going well um,

[50:34] our 9th East 9th South sidewalk project,

[50:36] um, that project is about to start on

[50:39] April 20th.

[50:41] Uh, we did notify residents. Our

[50:43] contractor's on board. Uh, we're ready

[50:45] to go. Um,

[50:47] get that project started.

[50:49] Uh, 5th North Freedom Boulevard, the

[50:52] signal project, we're going to be

[50:54] redoing the signal at that location.

[50:56] We're also going to be implementing an

[50:58] innovation grant that I received last

[51:00] year.

[51:01] Uh, we're going to be implementing that

[51:03] also as part of this project and our

[51:06] contractor is

[51:08] already on board. We're going to start

[51:10] that project sometime the month of June

[51:12] and July. Reason being, there's a

[51:14] 3-month

[51:16] backlog of signal equipment. So, I

[51:18] placed my signal order

[51:20] to state furnished materials and they

[51:22] told me we're going to wait 3 months.

[51:23] So, once we have our equipment, we can

[51:26] get started on that project.

[51:28] Um, our two CDBG projects, we had our,

[51:31] in fact, we had our pre-construction

[51:32] today, this morning and we're going to

[51:35] start those two projects on April 27th.

[51:39] There's two neighborhoods we're going to

[51:40] be targeting, Franklin neighborhood,

[51:42] we're doing about 32 ADA ramps in

[51:44] Franklin neighborhood.

[51:46] And then we're going to go to Foothill

[51:47] neighborhood where we're going to do Oh,

[51:49] I can't even remember a whole bunch of

[51:51] more ADA ramps, sidewalks,

[51:53] um and and some driveways and things of

[51:56] that nature.

[51:57] Um our goal is to to bring those

[51:59] sidewalks and ADA ramps to compliancy.

[52:01] So,

[52:02] we're looking forward

[52:03] >> What's the situation that we do

[52:04] driveway?

[52:07] That if you want to get your driveway

[52:08] done, is it

[52:10] question?

[52:10] >> No, we're when when when we have to pay

[52:12] for a driveway. So, sometimes the access

[52:16] if we're messing around converting uh

[52:20] curb and gutter to uh standard curb and

[52:23] gutters to the deep trough, you have to

[52:25] chase that a little bit and so you have

[52:27] to relay that the concrete between the

[52:30] street and the sidewalk if there's a

[52:32] park strip. And if it's monolithic or

[52:35] combination where the curb and gutter's

[52:37] right next to the street, and uh we have

[52:40] to chase it on their actual driveway a

[52:42] little bit. So, those are a couple

[52:44] David, are there any other examples?

[52:47] Okay. Yeah, in in this case, the reason

[52:49] why we're going to be doing the

[52:50] driveways, um in some cases it's about 3

[52:52] 4 ft driveway that we're going to be

[52:54] redoing. In some cases there was a 15 ft

[52:56] of the driveway that we're doing. Reason

[52:58] behind because we got to make sure we

[53:00] are meeting our slopes.

[53:02] So, the slope requirements that we have,

[53:05] if the existing driveways are not

[53:06] meeting or if our project is making it

[53:09] worse, then we got to cut farther more

[53:11] than

[53:12] Because of the sidewalk, yeah, not

[53:14] because of their yeah. Because of the

[53:15] sidewalk. Okay.

[53:17] Um

[53:18] Yeah, I mean those people those

[53:19] residents they're excited. They're going

[53:21] to get some part of their driveways

[53:22] going to be brand new and um I'm all up

[53:24] for it. I mean if it's part of our

[53:26] project, we have to do it. We can't make

[53:28] their situation worse than what it is.

[53:31] Uh those are some of the projects. We

[53:32] have a whole lot other projects as a

[53:34] city that we're doing. Um

[53:37] Some of them are currently uh speaking,

[53:40] they are

[53:42] out to bid. We haven't had a contractor

[53:43] hired. A couple of them we had We do

[53:46] have contractors hired, but we don't

[53:47] have an exact date to get them started.

[53:49] So, as we know more information and

[53:51] details on those

[53:53] uh most likely in the next month or two,

[53:55] we'll be able to give you uh information

[53:57] on the other ones.

[54:00] That's it.

[54:04] You can explain it.

[54:05] Okay. We're going to look at the

[54:06] presentation. Presentation, sure. Or you

[54:08] can show the video the other

[54:10] I'm going to have you put the video

[54:12] together first.

[54:13] We have three little videos today.

[54:15] >> I thought this was going to be released

[54:17] tomorrow, but evidently that busted my

[54:19] bubble when she said she's already seen

[54:21] it. Um I guess it was released today or

[54:24] yesterday? Yesterday night. Yesterday.

[54:32] Ready to play? Yeah, go for it.

[55:08] Quick and short.

[55:09] >> Okay. So, can you compose the music? I

[55:11] did. That was uh yeah, I had made Yeah,

[55:14] thank you.

[55:15] Is that commercially available? Uh it

[55:16] is, yeah.

[55:22] And I just got a couple of

[55:23] uh

[55:25] non-music. I I didn't have time to write

[55:26] three songs, you know.

[55:28] You can go to the next slide.

[55:31] So, this is just going to be a time

[55:32] lapse of the last month of work. So,

[55:34] kind of where when we met last in Q Max,

[55:36] we hadn't had the girders set. So, this

[55:37] is like just right before it. So, you

[55:39] can go ahead and

[55:41] do that.

[55:45] Uh since then they've been framing uh

[55:47] the deck. You can see there that works.

[55:50] Uh

[55:51] the waterline starting up in the top not

[55:53] the top left corner there. So, we've

[55:55] installed waterline, getting the deck

[55:57] framed and re-barred.

[56:01] And the waterline like existing water

[56:02] that was flowing under the bridge

[56:03] before? Well, it's going it would go

[56:05] through the bridge the new bridge. So,

[56:07] we were relocating essentially.

[56:10] And then we've got those finished the

[56:11] bottom floor of the trail. It's not the

[56:13] finished floor, but the that's the

[56:15] foundation floor of the trail in.

[56:18] And then another moment wall poured the

[56:19] weed walls there.

[56:21] So, yeah, we're making progress.

[56:24] Still on schedule to open for the 4th?

[56:25] >> Mhm.

[56:27] Good.

[56:28] You know, the next 5 days.

[56:31] And this is the whole project since

[56:32] November.

[56:42] Water line on the other side.

[56:44] Basically.

[56:49] That's Christmas break. So, here you go.

[56:53] This one right here.

[56:56] So, we've come a long ways and

[57:00] I think a lot of the work been done so

[57:01] far has been underground and then and

[57:03] not very seen. So, next couple weeks

[57:06] we'll start seeing things going really

[57:08] quick with the deck being poured and

[57:10] trail being finished and what not. So,

[57:12] it'll go it'll pick up really quick the

[57:14] next couple months.

[57:15] Interesting Charles. When did you go

[57:16] down to get the water? Yeah.

[57:29] How much wider is the trail than it was?

[57:32] Um It is wider, right?

[57:34] >> It is. I think it's like 4 or 5 ft being

[57:37] wider.

[57:38] Got it. And then you're good.

[57:44] Okay.

[57:45] Project progressing, we're on time.

[57:46] We're on track to open up summer

[57:48] before the 4th is our goal. So, we're looking good right now. We got the

[57:52] water line finished. It should be turned

[57:54] on today.

[57:55] And

[57:56] we'll get storm drain and start grading

[57:58] the road. So, you'll see quite a bit of

[57:59] surface work around the bridge. Bridge

[58:01] has still got some time to go, but

[58:04] the utility and surface work around will start picking up here.

[58:20] Our last item, uh University Avenue

[58:23] Bridge replacement update. Um

[58:26] They were running

[58:28] um

[58:28] our

[58:31] Oh, what's it called?

[58:33] Um ramming through our

[58:39] a big pipe. Boring

[58:40] >> casing. They're boring the casing. We're

[58:42] push pushing through our casing and we

[58:45] hit something.

[58:46] Contractor hit something.

[58:48] And uh we think they hit the old mill

[58:52] race

[58:53] uh water uh

[58:56] way, but

[58:57] um we don't know for certain.

[59:00] That's going to result in the overall

[59:02] project about a 3-month delay. Wow.

[59:05] Um 7 weeks just to get the new casing.

[59:09] They're going to step up the old casing

[59:10] from like 56 to 72.

[59:14] And that casing was going to be a full

[59:16] inch thick.

[59:18] And 72 inches tall. So,

[59:21] they hope whatever was blocking their

[59:22] way, they'll be able to

[59:24] go through it.

[59:26] So, the other casing hit that

[59:29] and then got pushed up 7 in.

[59:32] is enough to cause problems with

[59:35] the railroad.

[59:37] Okay, so that's kind of

[59:40] the result of the delay. We got to get

[59:41] railroad approval

[59:43] uh to go to the bigger casing.

[59:46] Um and of course this is all UDOT and their contractors working away, but

[59:51] we're in

[59:52] uh weekly meetings with them going over

[59:54] this type of stuff.

[59:55] So,

[59:57] it might be as much as a 3-month delay,

[59:59] but again, we've had some good weather.

[1:00:02] Uh

[1:00:03] we're

[1:00:04] um

[1:00:06] open they can make some of that up.

[1:00:09] That's kind of where we're at on that.

[1:00:18] Yeah, well Is Is not Is there water

[1:00:20] going through it or anything or I don't

[1:00:22] know people know that for certain. You

[1:00:25] don't know? Yeah, there's got to be

[1:00:26] water going through it, but we don't

[1:00:28] know how much water is through it. Yeah,

[1:00:30] there's personally no way that they're

[1:00:31] used and some are

[1:00:33] We've captured it at some places and

[1:00:35] others it's still

[1:00:37] Um there's probably water that flows

[1:00:38] from groundwater. A lot of it's dirt

[1:00:40] bottom. Um

[1:00:42] so, it's kind of unknown. It's hard to

[1:00:44] know. There's not really There's no

[1:00:45] access points to it, so it's kind of an

[1:00:47] unknown until you open it up.

[1:00:52] What's interesting about this thing we

[1:00:54] think

[1:00:56] So, it's made of brick.

[1:00:59] And the bottom is brick and the two

[1:01:01] sides are brick and then

[1:01:03] supposedly it has an arch brick cover to

[1:01:07] it.

[1:01:08] Which is amazing.

[1:01:09] Um it

[1:01:11] If this thing was above ground, it would

[1:01:12] be historic. We couldn't even touch it.

[1:01:16] But because it's below ground and no one

[1:01:18] sees it,

[1:01:19] think we're okay to move forward. So,

[1:01:21] anyway, that's where we're at.

[1:01:24] It's It's It's just Yeah. It is what it

[1:01:27] is. We don't put water into it anymore,

[1:01:29] like David said. We think we've captured

[1:01:31] parts of the video. Okay. So, they have

[1:01:33] captured a lot of

[1:01:34] But it's more down this way, right? That

[1:01:36] we put water. Yeah.

[1:01:38] Okay.

[1:01:39] So.

[1:01:40] Kind of interesting.

[1:01:41] So.

[1:01:43] Out of those moments

[1:01:45] It is. I mean, it was just like

[1:01:46] Danielle's project 2 years ago when

[1:01:48] we're tearing out the first uh

[1:01:51] first west and a little bit of 6th

[1:01:52] South. About 6 ft down, there's the

[1:01:55] railroad tracks.

[1:01:58] Yeah.

[1:01:59] A rail ties, the whole bit. That was

[1:02:02] kind of funny.

[1:02:03] So. Yeah.

[1:02:05] No.

[1:02:07] Okay.

[1:02:07] I open discussion and close discussion.

[1:02:11] I think that's all I

[1:02:13] have to say. Thank you so much and we

[1:02:15] will adjourn.

[1:02:17] Thank you.

[1:02:18] And I dare you to say the same thing.

Provo City TMAC | April 16, 2026

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