[0:00] We'll, um, do a roll call of the elected

[0:02] officials. Gary Garrett Patrice Mackey

[0:06] Craig Christiansen Rachel Whipple

[0:09] Although this is a public meeting, only

[0:11] the presenters and those invited by the

[0:12] council may speak or ask questions,

[0:15] unless otherwise invited by the chair.

[0:16] Please wait to speak until called upon

[0:18] by the council chair. When speaking,

[0:19] please be sure to use a microphone so

[0:21] the record is clear and those attending

[0:22] virtually can hear you. Please also be

[0:25] sure to limit side conversations as they

[0:26] interfere with the audio recording. If

[0:28] you need to have a side conversation,

[0:30] please step out of the work meeting

[0:31] room.

[0:32] It is proposed that we approve the

[0:33] following minutes: February 10th, 2026

[0:36] council meeting, April 28th, 2026 work

[0:39] meeting, and the April 28th, 2026

[0:41] council meeting. Are there any

[0:43] objections or requested changes?

[0:46] All right, seeing no objection, I

[0:47] declare the minutes approved by

[0:49] unanimous consent.

[0:51] We'll go to our first item of business

[0:53] and it'll be a presentation regarding

[0:54] the children's mental health services in

[0:56] Utah County. It'll be presented by

[0:57] Rebecca Dutson, who's the president and

[0:59] CEO of the Children's Center in Utah.

[1:04] Welcome.

[1:08] Thank you very much, Chair Mackey, and

[1:11] to all the members and staff who are

[1:12] here today. We're really proud to have

[1:15] an opportunity to present to you and

[1:17] share a little bit of the work of the

[1:20] Children's Center Utah and how we hope

[1:22] to be impacting, um, for better, uh, the

[1:25] mental health of children and families

[1:27] in Utah County. We're very excited to be

[1:30] coming and and to be here at your

[1:32] council meeting today. So, um,

[1:35] as the chair said, I'm Rebecca Dutson.

[1:37] I'm our president and CEO.

[1:40] And I wanted to introduce a colleague

[1:42] who is with me here today, um, Stephanie

[1:44] Warner, who is our government relations

[1:47] manager.

[1:49] Um,

[1:51] I would like to begin by telling you

[1:52] just a little bit about the work of the

[1:54] Children's Center Utah. And then I would

[1:57] like to talk about the challenges that

[2:00] we face in Utah surrounding children's

[2:02] mental health. And then

[2:05] some of the work that the Children's

[2:06] Center Utah is doing in the form of

[2:09] public-private partnership to help

[2:11] address the state's needs.

[2:14] So, to begin, the Children's Center Utah

[2:17] has been around for going on 63 years.

[2:21] We were established in 1962

[2:23] by a woman named Augie Plank. She is a

[2:28] doctor of psychology.

[2:30] And she really was ahead of her time

[2:32] understanding that if we could work with

[2:34] young children

[2:36] together with their caregivers and their

[2:37] families around their mental health and

[2:41] behavioral health concerns, that we

[2:43] really could change the trajectory of

[2:45] their lives giving them the tools that

[2:47] they need along with their families to

[2:50] manage their big emotions.

[2:53] And we have been working in uh the Salt

[2:56] Lake County area for all of these years.

[2:59] Now, I'll talk a little bit about our

[3:01] expansion in just a moment, but first

[3:03] just to give you a snapshot of the kind

[3:05] of work that we do.

[3:07] What we're very well known for is our

[3:11] direct clinical services to children and

[3:14] families. So, we are licensed outpatient

[3:18] mental health center and a licensed day

[3:20] treatment center for children ages birth

[3:24] to six.

[3:26] Our mission of course is to enhance the

[3:29] emotional well-being of infants,

[3:30] toddlers, preschoolers, and their

[3:33] families using evidence-based and

[3:36] trauma-informed

[3:37] therapies that are dyadic in nature. So,

[3:41] we're working together with children and

[3:42] families. This gives you an idea of the

[3:45] reach that we have in Salt Lake County

[3:48] right now. So, we serve approximately

[3:50] 1,000 families per year. Um

[3:54] the child being the client and then of

[3:56] course their caregivers joining us. And

[3:59] you can see, you know, with just a quick

[4:01] glance at the screen, we have a full

[4:03] complement of um services that we

[4:06] provide from the original, you know,

[4:09] initial mental health assessment that

[4:11] children receive to further

[4:13] psychological testing, maybe psychiatric

[4:16] services, um but primarily the focus is

[4:19] on that relationship and strengthening

[4:22] the attachment between the child and

[4:24] their caregivers.

[4:29] In addition, we work a lot to help not

[4:34] only um consult with but train and coach

[4:37] early childhood providers of all

[4:39] backgrounds. And that is a statewide

[4:42] work that we have been doing for several

[4:44] years now, including teleconsultation

[4:47] and training. And we offer 100 free

[4:51] hours of webinars and consultation to

[4:54] early childhood providers of all

[4:56] backgrounds. So, it could be a preschool

[4:59] or a child care provider all the way

[5:01] through to a licensed mental health

[5:02] professional, um pediatricians,

[5:05] whomever might be working with children.

[5:08] Um that is run by a member of our

[5:10] psychology team and that is free. And we

[5:14] have reached uh thousands of providers

[5:16] throughout the state um since we have

[5:19] been doing that. It's all virtual and

[5:21] the idea is so that we can reach into

[5:23] our very rural areas of the state and

[5:26] give equal access to providers to help

[5:28] them better understand early childhood

[5:30] mental health.

[5:33] Um we also offer a lot of consultation

[5:36] and coaching into child care and

[5:38] preschools throughout the state as well

[5:41] and we are contracted with the state of

[5:43] Utah to do that. And so, I know that

[5:47] we're working with child care providers,

[5:49] for example, in your area already.

[5:56] Um

[5:56] >> [clears throat]

[5:57] >> These are a couple of specialized

[5:59] programs that we have. And interestingly

[6:02] enough, two of the teams on our infant

[6:06] toddler court program are working right

[6:08] here in

[6:11] um Utah County.

[6:12] Um both with I want to get the um Judge

[6:15] Peterson and Judge Bezzant in the fourth

[6:18] district. And this is, you know, working

[6:21] with the families who are in the welfare

[6:23] system, in court process. Maybe the

[6:26] families um are still together with the

[6:29] child in the home, but the child may be

[6:31] out of home, for example, in a foster

[6:32] placement. But this is putting the child

[6:35] at the center and bringing all of the

[6:37] services that are needed to support that

[6:39] child and family. So, that's an example.

[6:43] And then the trauma program for young

[6:45] children is to help us reach children

[6:47] and providers, again, in rural areas who

[6:49] may not have access to the type of

[6:52] providers that we have in our more urban

[6:55] areas. Uh both of these programs are

[6:57] federally funded.

[7:02] It's also important to have a strong um

[7:07] policy

[7:08] effort within the state when we think

[7:10] about all the the things that impact

[7:12] families and their ability to access

[7:14] services. So, we're really focused on

[7:16] capacity building

[7:18] and working to address, for example, the

[7:22] barriers that families might have if

[7:24] they're on Medicaid and what codes are

[7:27] available to help support those

[7:29] families. So, there are things like that

[7:31] and and efforts that help us

[7:34] provide greater access to families to

[7:36] receive services. Whereas public

[7:38] awareness is a big component of just

[7:41] families understanding that mental

[7:44] health

[7:45] exists for all of us including children

[7:49] who are our very youngest and that

[7:51] services are available, that there's no

[7:54] shame in asking for help and also that

[7:57] adults understand this. Um that when we

[8:00] see children who are really struggling,

[8:03] um maybe not what we thought we would

[8:04] see, that it's okay to reach out for

[8:07] help and there's professional effective

[8:10] help available. Now, what you're seeing

[8:12] here is a picture of an annual

[8:14] conference that we hold that attracts

[8:17] several hundred providers from

[8:20] throughout the state each year to

[8:22] provide training including um not only

[8:25] licensed mental health professionals and

[8:27] early childhood providers of all

[8:30] backgrounds but pediatricians as well.

[8:33] So they can earn CEUs and CMEs at this

[8:36] conference and that will be coming up

[8:38] again in November and we have great um

[8:43] national presenters who are speaking on

[8:46] children's behavioral and emotional

[8:48] health.

[8:51] I would just also note that

[8:55] the Children's Center Utah has been

[8:58] prominent in raising awareness and

[9:01] providing data for the public to

[9:03] understand the mental health needs in

[9:05] our state. So for example, in 2020 we

[9:08] commissioned an independent study by the

[9:10] Gardner Institute um which was released

[9:14] and the first ever study of its kind for

[9:16] Utah that helped us understand really

[9:19] what children are facing with their

[9:21] mental health. And so we'll talk a

[9:23] little bit about some of those

[9:25] statistics but we try to be everywhere

[9:28] that we can be um days on the hill, uh

[9:32] meeting with our legislators, meeting in

[9:34] groups like this to help our elected

[9:36] officials understand the important

[9:38] services that we have available for

[9:40] families.

[9:41] Now, just a quick snapshot of our board,

[9:44] um we do have representatives from Utah

[9:47] County as we are working to expand

[9:50] statewide. Um Senator Balderee joined

[9:53] our board about a year ago. Um so we're

[9:57] really thrilled to have the caliber of

[9:59] people from our various communities who

[10:02] are committed to helping families access

[10:07] the important mental health treatment

[10:08] that's available.

[10:10] I'll just quickly talk about the need.

[10:13] You're

[10:14] probably very aware of these statistics,

[10:16] but I want to highlight them because

[10:19] it's so important to understand that in

[10:22] our state

[10:24] one in five, so as many as 20% of our

[10:27] children ages birth to eight will

[10:29] experience a mental, behavioral,

[10:33] emotional, or developmental challenge at

[10:35] some point during that time. With the

[10:38] population that we have of children,

[10:41] that's a lot of children who need help.

[10:44] And that is part of our effort not only

[10:47] to expand our services statewide in

[10:50] terms of the direct clinical services

[10:52] that we're currently providing in Utah

[10:54] County, but also the efforts that we're

[10:56] making to reach providers and train them

[10:59] so that they can better interact with

[11:02] kids and get them the level of care that

[11:05] they need.

[11:07] This is

[11:09] something that is always alarming to me

[11:11] no matter how many times I point this

[11:13] out, but

[11:15] our children in our state ages 3 to 17,

[11:19] almost 60% of the children who have a

[11:24] diagnosis

[11:25] are not receiving treatment

[11:28] in Utah.

[11:30] Now,

[11:31] uh it's you know, it's challenging to

[11:34] talk about, but the real realities are

[11:38] that suicide remains the leading cause

[11:41] of death among children ages 10 to 17 in

[11:44] Utah.

[11:46] And I think that's unacceptable to all

[11:48] of us. And so, we know that children

[11:51] before they reach that age have had many

[11:54] challenges with their mental health long

[11:58] before they would make that decision.

[12:01] And so, this is part of the work of the

[12:05] Children's Center Utah and why we're

[12:07] trying to do more across the state. Um

[12:11] we're a state that cares about children,

[12:12] we care about families, our work is

[12:15] entirely focused on strengthening the

[12:18] attachment between the child and their

[12:20] family so that they have those

[12:22] protective factors around them to help

[12:23] them deal with life's challenges and

[12:26] also experience life's joys to the

[12:29] fullest. Now, often people will say,

[12:33] "Why do we have so many children who are

[12:35] not being treated?" I mean, one of the

[12:38] challenges you may realize is that we

[12:40] have fewer behavioral health providers

[12:43] per 100,000 people than the average

[12:46] across the rest of the nation, fully 1/3

[12:50] fewer.

[12:51] And we have a lot of children. So, just

[12:54] a lot of things working together um

[12:57] to to create the need that we do have in

[13:00] our state.

[13:01] So, we're very excited about the

[13:04] public-private partnership that we have

[13:07] built and continue to strengthen in

[13:09] order to expand our services throughout

[13:11] the state. And our first stop moving

[13:13] outside of Utah County is or excuse me,

[13:17] out of Salt Lake County is in Utah

[13:19] County.

[13:20] Um

[13:20] and we have done that with support from

[13:23] the legislature.

[13:25] Um we've received investments to create

[13:27] a new hub in Salt Lake from which we'll

[13:30] expand. And every dollar that has been

[13:35] invested by the state, we have matched

[13:37] with private donations, either

[13:39] one-to-one, and in the case of

[13:42] the Utah County location, we've matched

[13:45] those two-to-one.

[13:47] So, I want to give you a glimpse

[13:50] into the type of center that families

[13:54] enter and the feeling that is there from

[13:57] a team who are experts in their field.

[14:02] We train people from all across the US

[14:06] and even outside of the US who come to

[14:08] learn about infant early childhood

[14:10] mental health.

[14:12] And they welcome they're welcomed by our

[14:15] team into a bright, warm space.

[14:19] We meet that family where they are and

[14:22] that child.

[14:23] Um, we assess them and we provide the

[14:27] therapeutic treatment that's

[14:28] evidence-based and trauma-informed that

[14:30] best meets the challenge that child

[14:33] might be having. And people often say,

[14:36] "What are those challenges?"

[14:38] And

[14:40] as people stop and reflect, we probably

[14:43] have experienced it in our own families

[14:46] or we know families who have.

[14:48] But is that child withdrawing much more

[14:51] and staying away

[14:53] more than typical? Are they having

[14:55] tantrums that are much more frequent and

[14:58] lasting longer than are typical? Are

[15:01] they regressing in their skills? Is

[15:03] their sleep becoming messed up? Is their

[15:05] toileting, um, you know, falling apart?

[15:08] These types of things. Sure. Rebecca, I

[15:11] just wanted to give you heads-up. We

[15:12] have like a 2 more minutes.

[15:13] >> Okay. And then I want to be able to take

[15:15] a few questions.

[15:16] >> Yes, so please Okay, great. Very good.

[15:18] Um, so this just gives you an idea of

[15:20] what we're hoping to do and I would like

[15:23] to extend a personal invitation for each

[15:25] of you to join us at our ribbon cutting,

[15:28] which will be October 1. This is our

[15:31] Lehi Center, which will be located on

[15:33] the Intermountain Primary Children's

[15:35] Hospital, Larry H. and Gail Miller

[15:37] Family Campus in Lehi. We'll be

[15:40] providing the outpatient family therapy,

[15:43] and also the day treatment, the

[15:44] therapeutic preschool for children who

[15:46] need more intensive services. So,

[15:51] perfect timing,

[15:52] and happy to ask answer any questions.

[15:55] >> I do have a question, and this it is on

[15:56] a sliding scale, correct? So, families

[15:59] of all Yes, we accept private pay, and

[16:03] also Medicaid.

[16:05] Um everything is on a sliding fee scale.

[16:07] If we are the right place to treat a

[16:10] child and their family, we do not turn

[16:12] them away. Okay. Um we do raise funds

[16:16] privately from the philanthropic sector

[16:18] to help us meet the needs that cost more

[16:22] to do the world-class treatment that our

[16:24] team provides, um than we are

[16:27] reimbursed.

[16:30] All right. Any other questions?

[16:33] It's tremendous.

[16:34] Very exciting. Um

[16:36] do you often have children aging out,

[16:38] and then do you refer them to other

[16:41] services?

[16:41] >> other partners. Yeah. Very important

[16:44] question. In fact, one of the reasons

[16:46] that we're locating, um right next door

[16:49] to Primary Children's Hospital, um in

[16:51] Lehi, you probably recognize they have a

[16:53] strong focus on behavioral health. We

[16:55] have the front end of that pipeline. So,

[16:57] we've got strong partnerships not only

[16:59] with Intermountain, with Huntsman Mental

[17:01] Health, with Valley Behavioral, with

[17:03] Wasatch here in Utah County, and the

[17:06] referral stream back and forth. So, yes,

[17:09] um it may be that children have not

[17:12] received and their family all the

[17:13] treatment that they need by the time

[17:15] that they leave our services.

[17:17] And do you do any court-ordered therapy

[17:20] or court-involved therapy programs? Um

[17:23] the some of that is happening through

[17:25] the infant toddler court program. So,

[17:28] there is some of that and of course we

[17:30] do see families who potentially a child

[17:33] has been in an abusive situation and the

[17:36] family may be coming into therapy. We

[17:39] have many children who are in foster

[17:40] care. So, it kind of runs the the gamut

[17:45] for the reasons that families come. I

[17:47] would also just want to, you know,

[17:49] mention that we all know that mental

[17:51] health doesn't know socioeconomic

[17:54] boundaries. Though many mental health

[17:57] situations are exacerbated by social

[18:00] determinants of health and and barriers

[18:03] that face families. So, this this work,

[18:07] this early intervention,

[18:09] is so important. It helps address the

[18:12] complicated

[18:13] uh histories that families have. It

[18:16] works both with parents and the child

[18:19] breaking those cycles that help us get

[18:21] out of intergenerational poverty and

[18:24] intergenerational trauma.

[18:26] Gary Garrett.

[18:28] First, thank you Rebecca for the

[18:30] tremendous service you provide for our Valley now. And uh Malia, please

[18:35] help us get this when we get more

[18:37] details on our calendar.

[18:39] Um ref- referring to some of the court

[18:42] uh services you provide, it made me

[18:44] think of other organizations,

[18:45] children-focused organizations in Provo

[18:48] like the Children's Justice Center. I

[18:50] assume it's not duplicating services so

[18:53] much as collaborating with these

[18:55] existing organizations.

[18:57] >> and we have spoken with their director.

[19:00] We're trying to reach and connect with

[19:02] all. I think that they're actually

[19:04] coming up for a tour of our facility in

[19:06] West Valley so that they'll have a

[19:08] better understanding of the services

[19:10] that we'll be bringing. So, there is a

[19:12] lot of effort to coordinate because

[19:14] there is just not enough of service

[19:17] providers to go around.

[19:19] >> Sure. Thank you. Yeah, thank you.

[19:20] Rebecca, yeah, we Provo is the seat of

[19:23] the county and we do hold so many

[19:25] wonderful nonprofits that do great

[19:27] services here.

[19:29] But it's nice to see another one that's

[19:30] not naturally in Provo, but can be a

[19:32] resource for Provo citizens as well.

[19:35] Yes. Just want to get that your name out

[19:37] there so that people know that it's a

[19:38] resource that they can use. And we'll

[19:39] put your stuff on our neighborhood in

[19:41] our neighborhood meetings that people

[19:43] can pick up the flyer if they want.

[19:44] >> Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you so

[19:46] much for your time.

[19:48] You know how to find us.

[19:50] We look forward to seeing you in October

[19:52] and we're even happy to schedule

[19:54] specific site visit that's just for your

[19:57] group if you'd like on either the first

[19:58] or second after the ribbon cutting. So,

[20:00] thank you so much.

[20:01] >> Thanks, Rebecca. Thank you.

[20:04] All right, next we have a resolution

[20:05] approving the appropriation of

[20:06] $57,765.50

[20:09] in the general fund for a contractual

[20:11] sales tax increment post performance

[20:13] payment to East Bay Shopping Center.

[20:15] This is presented by Cody Hill, our

[20:17] economic development division director.

[20:20] Cody.

[20:22] Thank you.

[20:28] All right, did you get my PowerPoint

[20:29] that I sent

[20:30] within an hour or so or an hour and a

[20:32] half ago? There's some people

[20:35] that wanted to and I had to all four.

[20:38] But yeah, Councilwoman Wright, thank you

[20:39] so much for your time.

[20:41] We are we have basically four items that

[20:44] are a little bit cookie cutter. So, we

[20:46] have basically

[20:46] >> to read them all through right now?

[20:49] Sure, if if A resolution approving the

[20:51] appropriation of $83,851.50

[20:54] to the general fund for a contractual

[20:55] sales tax increment post payment to

[20:58] Parkway Village. And we also have the

[21:01] same appropriate another appropriation

[21:02] of $31,003.33

[21:06] for a contractual sales tax increment

[21:07] post performance to the shop at

[21:09] Riverwoods and then we have

[21:11] an appropriation of $13,509.21

[21:15] for contractual sales tax increment post

[21:17] performance payment to Days Market and

[21:19] Cody will go over all of them. Yeah, I

[21:21] think that's probably a good way to do

[21:22] it because they're all very very

[21:23] similar. So, these four payments have

[21:27] resolutions dating going back to 2016,

[21:29] 2018, 2018 and 2019. Perfect. Thank you

[21:32] so much, Kevin. Appreciate you. Um so,

[21:35] they

[21:36] have been around for for a little while

[21:38] and the

[21:40] I got some feedback from from Kirsten

[21:43] upstairs who've been, you know, watching

[21:44] Provo Forward and and

[21:47] getting some criticism, some comments

[21:49] and concerns about sales tax increment.

[21:51] So, I thought I'd just kind of talk

[21:52] about that briefly since I've got 20

[21:53] minutes for all four,

[21:55] but I feel like it's just really just

[21:56] one discussion with four parts to it.

[21:58] But, just in speaking in general to

[22:01] sales tax remittance payments,

[22:03] I think there's two ways to look at it

[22:06] or I guess two different

[22:08] times that it will come to the city.

[22:10] The first time is someone that's looking

[22:12] to come here

[22:14] and set up a business, set up a big box

[22:17] store, something of that nature and

[22:19] they're looking for an incentive to help

[22:21] overcome costs or to improve the store's

[22:24] facade or whatever the the reasons may

[22:26] be.

[22:27] And then the second is if we already

[22:29] have a

[22:31] an outlet here that is maybe going

[22:34] downhill, that is a little bit

[22:37] past its prime that is looking to make

[22:40] improvements, make

[22:43] you know, modifications, expand it,

[22:45] whatever the reasons may be. And so,

[22:48] those are kind of the the two categories

[22:50] that we that we really see it in.

[22:51] >> These aren't legal anymore, right? These

[22:53] aren't what? Aren't these not allowed

[22:54] anymore by the state?

[22:56] They're not allowed by the state so

[22:58] they're We're not allowed to do new

[22:59] ones.

[23:00] >> Both conditions it would have to be from

[23:01] a redevelopment agency that no longer

[23:03] from city to the the end user, the

[23:06] developer, the outlet, correct?

[23:08] >> Thank you. And so there there needs to

[23:09] be that redevelopment agency

[23:11] um kind of mediating the if that's going

[23:13] to happen. And so the um some of the

[23:16] concerns were is is you know, is the

[23:18] city being extorted?

[23:20] Um

[23:21] is is this just you know, businesses

[23:23] just being greedy and and and what is

[23:25] Provo doing having you know, having made

[23:27] these obligations? And there there

[23:30] really is a significant boost in the

[23:34] amount of sales tax revenue that the

[23:35] city has received from all of these. Um

[23:38] in no ways is it is extortion because

[23:40] you know, these were already here. We

[23:42] weren't going to lose lose them. They

[23:44] weren't going to up and you know,

[23:45] Riverwoods wasn't going anywhere. Um

[23:48] and so it it it wasn't extortion. It it

[23:51] was just basically an opportunity that the city had to support them in in

[23:56] their desires to expand, remodel,

[23:59] improve the facade, improve the the

[24:02] I guess the shopping center for

[24:04] Riverwoods and for um kind of Parkway

[24:06] Village as well. And so um

[24:09] that's a little bit of background

[24:10] context in in how I take these payments.

[24:13] >> I think the biggest point is your

[24:14] approved that a the development such

[24:15] that we get more sales tax. It brings

[24:17] more money. It's doing something to get

[24:18] more money in the end. It's not just

[24:20] making it prettier just to help them

[24:21] out. Yeah.

[24:23] And I also had uh question from from

[24:25] Becky Paulden about well, it looks like

[24:27] the caps are are

[24:30] pretty big. Like the the total amount to

[24:33] um the max reimbursement 100,000, 1.1

[24:35] million, 1 million, and 1.5 million. And

[24:38] it doesn't look like any of these

[24:40] entities are on schedule to actually

[24:42] achieve those cap amounts of what

[24:45] they're able to receive. And I'm I

[24:48] wasn't here in 2019, 2018. Um so I can't

[24:51] speak to where they landed on those

[24:53] caps. Um

[24:55] it looked like it was about of

[24:58] a list of qualified improvements that

[25:00] the city was agreeing to reimburse them

[25:02] for. And not necessarily we have done

[25:06] this market study and we anticipate a

[25:08] growth of this much revenue over this

[25:10] period of time and if we're tracking

[25:12] that growth then we will be in line to

[25:15] reach this cap after 10 or I think

[25:18] Riverwood's is 15 years.

[25:20] It looks like it was just basically

[25:22] tacked to the total amount of the

[25:24] improvement which

[25:25] for Provo from Provo City's perspective

[25:28] not meeting the cap is

[25:30] good and bad. It's it's it's good in the

[25:32] sense that we're giving away less of our

[25:33] tax dollars.

[25:35] It's bad in the sense that just that

[25:36] just means that they generated more

[25:38] revenues that the city that the city has

[25:41] enjoyed. So,

[25:43] those are just kind of my setting the

[25:45] table my thoughts on sales tax increment

[25:47] from a high level and then also just

[25:49] speaking to

[25:50] the reimbursement amount as well.

[25:53] So, the

[25:55] payments as you said

[25:57] are for Days Market 13,509,

[26:00] Eastbay 57,766,

[26:03] Parkway Village 83,852,

[26:07] and for Riverwoods 31,003.

[26:10] The only curious thing that I

[26:12] didn't expect and I'm still looking into

[26:14] is that payment to Eastbay. That was the

[26:16] only one that really had a drop from

[26:19] 65,000 last year to 57 this year. And so

[26:22] I've sent the list of businesses that I

[26:24] captured the the sales tax revenues from

[26:27] to the representatives at Eastbay and just said hey will you double check

[26:30] my work, make sure that I'm capturing

[26:32] everything. As well as there was a

[26:33] couple of businesses, one had a negative

[26:36] amount for their sales tax number which

[26:39] could be they overpaid last year by a

[26:42] lot and then the state would make that

[26:44] adjustment.

[26:46] And then there was another one that just

[26:48] looked very low. And so

[26:50] Daniel Follett over in finance is

[26:52] helping me get to the bottom of of that

[26:54] one, but the other three looked really

[26:55] in line as well.

[26:57] Is Parkway Village where the

[26:59] neighborhood Walmart is?

[27:00] >> Yes. Well, they're killing it.

[27:02] >> Walmart and then

[27:04] um,

[27:04] the

[27:05] >> They're killing it. Yeah, the outpad

[27:06] retail that they have there.

[27:07] >> I mean they're by far making a lot more

[27:10] money than Sandy Springs.

[27:12] They're making more. Yeah, that's but

[27:14] that's huge.

[27:15] >> Right, they that is everything that

[27:16] >> It's only half of the increment. Yes.

[27:19] Yeah. So, I mean that there's a big

[27:20] difference there between

[27:22] Yeah.

[27:26] Cuz East Bay's big.

[27:28] But even so, you look at Day's Market.

[27:30] Well, yeah, there's more.

[27:32] >> in the increment cuz I mean that's just

[27:33] a small store. But East Bay does not

[27:35] include Sears, but keep that in mind.

[27:37] Right, it's only a certain Mhm.

[27:41] number of the properties there. It's not

[27:42] the entire

[27:44] east of University.

[27:46] And Parkway Village is just the strip

[27:48] mall, it's not the

[27:50] uh, it's not the outskirt buildings,

[27:51] right? Or is it the whole thing? It's the Walmart, it is the attached and

[27:56] then I think there's two detached

[27:58] outpads. That's what it includes.

[28:00] There's others.

[28:01] >> it the Wingstop and the postal place?

[28:03] >> Yeah, and then there's like the

[28:06] And then the Twisted Sugar and the

[28:07] Bahama Bucks.

[28:08] >> Yeah, exactly. Twisted Sugar and then

[28:09] the Who just went out of business.

[28:10] >> Bahama Bucks, that's what it was. That's

[28:11] what I was thinking before. Yeah.

[28:13] First Watch, the new one that just

[28:15] opened. Yeah, that one is That one is

[28:16] there as well. Yeah. So, But Day's

[28:18] Market is just the store, not the full

[28:20] strip. Correct.

[28:22] Yeah, and so

[28:24] we would

[28:25] definitely

[28:26] anticipate seeing a boost in in Parkway

[28:28] Village now that the

[28:30] There's a Pizza by Cafe, but that space

[28:32] is filled with First Watch. But oh, so

[28:35] you think that building's included in

[28:37] this position? Oh, okay. I'll be seeing

[28:40] it. Yeah, there's offices there are

[28:41] behind it and other space behind it.

[28:43] Those are not included, but the Walmart,

[28:46] the attached outpad, and then the

[28:49] detached out pad as well. But not the

[28:50] 7-Eleven. No.

[28:53] Cody, what does base amount mean? Does

[28:55] Is that the first year payment or So,

[28:58] that's when they came what the taxes

[28:59] were before? Yeah, presumably that that

[29:02] So, that is when they come to us and

[29:03] they say, "Hey, we want

[29:05] sales tax increment and in

[29:07] I see. You know, increment is basically

[29:09] above

[29:10] >> in excess of a certain base amount.

[29:12] >> Exactly. So, when they came to us back

[29:14] in, you know, 2019 for Day's Market,

[29:16] they said, "Right now we're we're

[29:17] bringing in

[29:19] consistent level of this amount. This

[29:21] will be our base year. Everything over

[29:22] that, half of it will go to

[29:25] And that's just the 1% we collect,

[29:27] right?

[29:28] The point of sale, the Yeah, the half

[29:30] percent.

[29:32] So, their increase is actually that much

[29:34] then if you're looking I wasn't really

[29:35] realize that with that base.

[29:37] Yeah.

[29:38] Well, their increase I mean, if that is

[29:40] the base amount over there at Parkway

[29:41] Village is 136,000

[29:44] and now they're bringing in 83, which is

[29:46] half of the increment. Then again, you

[29:47] have to adjust that for inflation.

[29:50] >> Look how much the lower the Riverwood's

[29:52] is than their base amount.

[29:56] Well, at Riverwood's

[29:58] I mean, they wanted what?

[30:01] A lot more and they're not even going to

[30:02] be on track to do that. So, it doesn't

[30:04] look like Riverwood's is as performing

[30:06] as well as they had hoped

[30:09] Yeah. But I was looking at this. a jump.

[30:11] We definitely saw a jump from, you know,

[30:13] 20 24 2025 payment of the 9,000. But

[30:16] you're saying when they did this, they

[30:17] were making 118. Their base amount was

[30:19] 118 as opposed These numbers would say

[30:21] their base is like 60.

[30:25] Yes.

[30:26] Well, wait. But they're Are they making

[30:28] 118 plus the 20,000?

[30:31] >> plus the base. Yeah, it's above the

[30:33] base. plus 4. Yeah, that Okay, that's

[30:36] making sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's 118

[30:38] plus 40, right? Because it's think 50%.

[30:41] >> Exactly. Yeah.

[30:42] >> So, yes. Parkway is killing it. Okay, I

[30:44] feel my job. Well, and it or it would be

[30:46] 60 for this year's payment, right, Gary,

[30:48] instead of 40.

[30:49] >> Yeah.

[30:50] For the 2025, yeah. So, I but I love

[30:53] this format.

[30:55] No.

[30:58] But he's he told me that he did the

[31:00] figures for East Bay, and when you

[31:01] adjust East Bay for inflation, that's a

[31:03] 40% increase.

[31:06] Yes. Yeah, that's pretty good. I didn't

[31:08] ask him to do it. 68% increase from the

[31:10] first payment to today, and then

[31:11] adjusting for inflation, that's 67.

[31:14] So, a 40% increase on East Bay is pretty

[31:16] good, in my opinion. I just had an

[31:18] airhead moment. But I love this, Cody,

[31:21] and I would love to see this continued

[31:22] forward to have us

[31:24] just allow us to have the same kind of

[31:25] format every single time you do a

[31:27] disbursement. All at once, kind of easy

[31:29] to compare, to bench test. We never did

[31:31] get this before, and so

[31:34] this is just so helpful to me

[31:37] to be able to see that, and to know that. But even if you want to

[31:42] throw in, and

[31:43] this is what it's increased from

[31:44] inflation, I wouldn't even be upset

[31:46] about that.

[31:47] >> add that as well, for the

[31:49] City Council meeting.

[31:51] Just put it out there.

[31:52] >> [laughter]

[31:53] >> Well, it'd be cool to see how much

[31:54] they're actually bringing in more than

[31:56] they did before. Yeah.

[31:58] Cody, if you go back to 2016, 18, and

[32:01] 19, how did these um

[32:05] groups become Did the economic

[32:07] development approach them and say, "If

[32:09] you'll do a facade upgrade, we'll enter

[32:11] into this agreement?" Or did they just

[32:13] learn about this pool and inquire about

[32:16] it? Or maybe you don't have that

[32:17] history. I don't have that information.

[32:18] It could have been actively

[32:21] economic development approaching them.

[32:22] More likely, it's it's they were

[32:24] contemplating you know, improvements and

[32:26] looking for support from my years of watching Council

[32:29] meetings,

[32:30] they tried to find a different owner for

[32:32] East Bay, cuz East Bay just was not

[32:34] doing well. And so, that is

[32:37] what drew them in.

[32:39] Days Market needed that to help them

[32:42] remodel.

[32:43] It was just something and I listened to

[32:45] George Stewart say, you know, these guys

[32:46] have been such a staple to our community

[32:49] for so long. We really do need to give

[32:50] back.

[32:51] Parkway Village was for that light

[32:54] to go back and forth to the old Shopko

[32:56] complex

[32:58] that's there on University Parkway and

[33:00] Riverwood's just needed

[33:02] some love. Yeah. Okay.

[33:06] I think it was more Riverwood's kind of

[33:07] approaching once they saw all this stuff

[33:09] going on.

[33:13] Okay.

[33:13] >> [clears throat]

[33:13] >> Any other questions or comments or

[33:15] concerns? I have the

[33:17] other staff reports kind of if there's

[33:19] high-level details we want it

[33:22] I think this is the main takeaway.

[33:24] Cody, so why is this no longer legal at

[33:27] the state level?

[33:28] Different

[33:30] tools have replaced it or

[33:33] No, I think I if I'm going to get into

[33:35] the legislator's heads

[33:37] then

[33:38] it's it's

[33:40] I think it's it's cities getting pitted

[33:42] against each other by big big box

[33:44] retail. So, you know, a Costco. We we

[33:46] saw this in with Costco and, you know,

[33:48] just south of us when they were saying,

[33:50] "Hey Springville, what's your best

[33:52] offer? Spanish, what's your best offer?"

[33:54] Springville, Costco offered us this

[33:57] much, can you go above and beyond? And so I think uh just a history of

[34:01] >> Just to level the playing field a little

[34:03] bit more.

[34:03] >> Yeah, just to kind of get rid of that

[34:06] you know,

[34:08] we we need this, we want this, we're

[34:10] going to go as deep in as as, you know,

[34:12] as far as we can to get this and it

[34:14] ended up really not being

[34:16] we're decreasing the the benefit that

[34:18] the community is getting at the end if we really play that game and and it

[34:22] gets competitive then then it's I think

[34:25] it's not unwise for the state to to take

[34:27] that off the table as a tool

[34:29] for big box.

[34:30] >> Okay. Interesting. Thank you. Mhm.

[34:36] Hey, any other questions for

[34:38] Cody?

[34:40] All right, thanks Cody. Thank you.

[34:42] All right. Well, you just

[34:45] took us to the end here. We just killed

[34:47] it.

[34:48] All right, we are going to have a closed

[34:49] session. So, the city council will

[34:50] consider a motion to close meeting.

[34:52] Gary, if you want to

[34:54] Yes, thank you. I understand the topic

[34:57] for discussion is a strategy strategy

[35:00] session for the sale of real property.

[35:03] That is a permissible reason under the

[35:05] statutes.

[35:07] Okay.

[35:08] So,

[35:09] we will take a motion for a closed

[35:12] [clears throat] session. I move to meet

[35:13] to go into closed session.

[35:15] Second. All right, we have a first and

[35:17] second. Any discussion on the closed

[35:19] session?

[35:20] We'll do a vote. Counselor Bobbin? Yes.

[35:23] Counselor Wetzel? Yes. Counselor

[35:24] Christiansen?

[35:25] >> Yes. Counselor McKay? Yes. Counselor

[35:28] Garrett?

[35:28] >> Yes.

[35:30] And we will now recess municipal Provo

[35:33] council work meeting and reconvene in

[35:34] the pre-function room for closed

[35:35] meeting.

Provo City Council Work Meeting | May 12, 2026

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