[4:04] Yeah, I don't interact with the

[4:06] development team much.

[4:07] >> Okay, channel 17, please start

[4:09] recording.

[4:15] » Thank you.

[4:17] >> Welcome. Welcome. this uh last week of

[4:20] school to T-Mac. And I I say that

[4:22] because I get to go straight home and

[4:24] you know steal kids on and the first getting to summer vacation. Um

[4:30] first we'd like to go around and

[4:32] introduce everybody. My name is Beth

[4:33] Province. I'm T-MAC Care.

[4:37] >> I'm Noah Gordon, member of T-Mac.

[4:39] >> I'm Ryan Kohler. Um

[4:42] contingent member of T-Mac sort of

[4:44] thing.

[4:46] Uh, I'm Emma and I'm thinking about

[4:49] joining.

[4:50] That's why I'm here.

[4:52] >> Ashley, public works

[4:56] member.

[4:58] >> David Keller

[5:00] from Golding, Provo City Development

[5:03] Services. And city development services

[5:07] also proving

[5:12] » Hey, Alan Shore Provo City Engineering.

[5:14] >> Excellent. Okay,

[5:17] >> online.

[5:18] >> Oh, there's two online. Could you go

[5:20] ahead and say your name? Oh, just one

[5:22] online.

[5:24] >> Everyone, I'm Joel Ta. I'm the planning

[5:26] commission liaison.

[5:28] >> Oh, awesome. Nice to meet you. Joel will

[5:31] be replacing Lisa in August since we

[5:34] don't meet in July and um we'll get him

[5:38] nominated and paperwork sent to the

[5:42] mayor's office and then they'll do the

[5:44] advising consent of uh him becoming a

[5:48] T-MAC member. So, he's joining us today

[5:51] from that perspective.

[5:52] >> Awesome. We look forward to seeing you

[5:54] face to face.

[5:57] Um, we just have one action item today

[5:59] to approve minutes from the April

[6:02] meeting. Uh, does anybody have any

[6:04] corrections or anything they like to

[6:05] make to the meeting notes?

[6:09] >> Excellent. Is who who all would like to

[6:14] those notes?

[6:16] >> I would like to, but since I did review

[6:18] them, I'm not going

[6:19] >> I was not here for the meeting. I

[6:24] » Thank you. And I I can second that,

[6:26] right?

[6:26] >> Yeah.

[6:27] >> Perfect. I will second that. I'll

[6:28] approve. Yay.

[6:31] >> Okay. We only have one major item on the

[6:34] agenda today, but it is a big and long

[6:37] one. Um we asked Vern to go ahead and

[6:39] pull a lot of numbers together about

[6:42] east west connectivity throughout Provo.

[6:45] And so we're going to hand it over to

[6:47] Vern to start us off.

[6:49] >> Okay. And I'll try to speak loud enough

[6:52] over the maruchi band or mariachi band

[6:54] next door.

[6:56] >> Okay. U everybody remembers uh

[7:02] see where the

[7:05] There we go.

[7:07] >> Um

[7:09] east west connectivity was a discussion

[7:13] topic and uh you guys asked me to put

[7:15] together a lot of information and we

[7:17] were able to do that.

[7:19] um the transportation master plan. So,

[7:21] we're going to talk about what each plan

[7:24] so says and we're going to look at the

[7:26] three plans and then we're going to kind

[7:28] of look at a few other things um with

[7:30] east west connectivity with uh level of

[7:33] service and what corridors are east west

[7:35] and what has been done and what yet

[7:37] needs to be done accomplished. So, uh

[7:41] the general plan these are all the

[7:43] references made to east west

[7:45] connectivity in the general plan. and

[7:47] see improve east west traffic flow. Uh

[7:50] look at signal timing to do reduce times

[7:54] uh for east west travel. Uh center

[7:57] street is the primary east west corridor

[7:59] for the city. It is one of those. Uh 600

[8:02] south from Lake View Parkway to 1100

[8:04] west will provide east west mobility.

[8:06] That's right out of a project uh

[8:08] description. and then 3,700 north to the

[8:11] east west connection uh across the north

[8:14] end of the city connecting MU High

[8:16] School, Edgemont Elementary

[8:19] and it goes into Forum's 800 South uh

[8:23] corridor to the west. So that was all

[8:27] the references to the general plan.

[8:29] Let's or to the um transportation master

[8:32] plan. Let's look and see what was in the

[8:34] general plan.

[8:39] » Was there one at the bottom?

[8:41] >> Yeah. Okay. When Let's see if I can make

[8:44] this the right size here if I can.

[8:52] » Right up here.

[8:54] >> I got it.

[8:56] >> See if that helps. One more maybe.

[9:00] There we go. Okay. So,

[9:03] uh, the last one was connection of 500

[9:06] north from 700 east to 900 east at 450.

[9:09] So, that's been on our plan for 30

[9:11] years, built through the colony there,

[9:14] connect 500 uh at 700 East, connect over

[9:18] there to 900 East at 450 North. So,

[9:22] that's an important east west

[9:23] connectivity as well. Um,

[9:32] Okay, let's go up this way. Uh, general

[9:35] plan references

[9:37] talks about I-15, the railroad tracks

[9:40] and BRT actually being a little bit of a

[9:43] barrier to east west traffic. um those

[9:47] uh run through the city and I'm just you

[9:50] know the the plan actually says Frontr

[9:52] Runner and UVX but let me just say

[9:55] railroad tracks BRT system and I-15 all

[9:59] act as barriers uh to east west mobility

[10:04] uh references bike walk and transit gaps

[10:07] especially for east west connectivity

[10:09] because of those barriers um east west

[10:12] connectivity has been made especially

[10:14] difficult by the train tracks

[10:16] I-15 corridor and limited flow at the

[10:18] few crossings and of course we're aware

[10:20] of that.

[10:22] Uh page 63 encourage connections to

[10:25] increase east west mobility explore the

[10:28] visibility of an active transportation

[10:30] facility from east to west across I-15.

[10:34] So that's what the general plan

[10:35] references.

[10:37] Let's go to the consery and resiliency

[10:41] plan. East West references mentions

[10:43] synchronization of traffic signals uh

[10:46] could reduce idling and then streaming

[10:49] streamlining bottlenecks at east west

[10:52] connector. So looking at that as well.

[10:54] So that's what's in our plan. We I think

[10:58] the city and all our policies are very

[11:00] much aware of east west connectivity and

[11:03] the east west uh requirements.

[11:07] So what has been done?

[11:11] Uh major completed east west connections

[11:14] Foothill Drive to 4800 North which leads

[11:17] to uh Center Street in Orum. Uh that

[11:21] particular arterial was completed in

[11:23] 2007

[11:25] 500 west under I-15. Now, you're going

[11:28] to say that's not an east west

[11:29] connection, but what I'm bringing up

[11:31] here is this is kind of a it runs north

[11:34] and south, but it is east west

[11:36] connectivity because it gets across the

[11:38] interstate, right?

[11:39] >> Crosses the major

[11:40] >> crosses I-15. So, that was done in 2012.

[11:44] Lake View Parkway to 500 West, that

[11:46] arterial and connection uh to I-15 was

[11:50] done in 2016, so fairly recent. And then

[11:53] 2,000 north from Lake View Parkway was

[11:56] done last year that connects to Geneva

[11:59] Road which then connects under uh I-15

[12:02] and across the railroad tracks around

[12:04] 2000 um north Provo 2000 South Orum

[12:10] where it crosses the first set of

[12:12] railroad tracks. You leave Provo, you go

[12:14] into Oram. The second set of railroad

[12:17] tracks is all the way into ORM. And of

[12:19] course under I-15 and the roundabout at

[12:21] Sand Hill Road is Warm. So when you

[12:25] think about this for just a second,

[12:29] our westiders

[12:30] who live west of I-15

[12:34] really only had three connections that

[12:37] were in Provo before these two were

[12:40] done. That was Center Street, 920 and

[12:45] South and 820 North. Those were the only

[12:47] three connections. With the rebuild of

[12:50] I-15, 500 West was able to get in. And

[12:54] then Lake View Parkway, that road has

[12:58] been uh completed now all the way

[13:01] through. It's completed all the way

[13:04] around. So, for whatever reason, uh,

[13:08] looks like we're getting the second half

[13:10] of our order here. So, feel free to go

[13:13] and grab what you want. Um,

[13:18] okay. So, let's talk about our major and

[13:19] local street plan. What does it have on

[13:21] it? And identify for future connections.

[13:25] Well, the 1680 1730 north. I'm going to

[13:29] try to show where this is at. Goes right

[13:33] over here. So that would connect to

[13:38] Geneva Road and go up and over or down

[13:41] and under I-15 and connect 1730 at Sand

[13:45] Hill Road on the other side east side of

[13:47] I-15. So that's an arterial a minor

[13:50] arterial that's planned to go over the

[13:52] railroad.

[13:54] >> So it has some engineering challenges

[13:57] with the both sets of railroad tracks

[13:59] being very close to I-15. Whether that

[14:03] it it probably have to be a full bridge

[14:05] structure all the way over all

[14:07] >> you probably have to end Sand Hill Road

[14:10] start bridge up at the top of the hill

[14:13] without a doubt

[14:15] it has some some challenges 1680 north

[14:19] uh from Geneva Road to Lake View

[14:21] Parkway. Uh this is a collector that is

[14:23] in the Ivory Homes development called

[14:26] Broadview Shores that will be connected

[14:27] and completed as well. 500 north, 450

[14:31] north. We just talked about that from

[14:33] 7th east to 9 east. Um when

[14:36] redevelopment of the colony occurs, uh

[14:39] we are looking at working with the

[14:42] property owners that uh have some

[14:44] commercial establishments there on night

[14:47] that would connect to 450.

[14:49] That would be a a a beneficial arterial

[14:52] as well. Minor arterial 200 north uh

[14:56] from 700 east to 750 east. Let me show

[14:59] where that's at. It's a little hard, but

[15:02] um what this does, it would get

[15:06] um access to 800 East

[15:11] um which would be great for bicyclists

[15:13] along the 200 North corridor. It's a low

[15:17] volume road. And uh I think you'll be

[15:20] hearing from us more about 200 North

[15:23] versus 300 North as a east west bikeway.

[15:28] 560 south from Epic Lane to Lake View

[15:31] Parkway. Now that extends right here and

[15:34] you can see it where it would extend

[15:37] from

[15:39] uh currently I believe it's at what 1100

[15:43] maybe 1,600

[15:46] not at 2050 I don't think yet at the

[15:48] road but it will extend

[15:51] then um 1150 south uh from 1600 west to

[15:56] Epic Lane that's down here uh we have

[16:00] subdivisions that are already coming in

[16:02] and showing some some type of

[16:05] connectivity there. And then 1560 south

[16:08] from 1100 west to 1600 west and

[16:11] connecting that. So our transportation

[16:13] master plan does show uh east west

[16:16] connectivity for future collectors and

[16:18] our

[16:20] >> uh this may be the plan.

[16:23] What's the status of the 900?

[16:28] So tell me

[16:29] >> we're gonna talk about that. We're going

[16:30] to talk about that. Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to MAGS RTV. And this is

[16:36] where we kind of get to talk about that.

[16:38] So new major east west streets that have

[16:41] been identified for future connection in

[16:44] MAGS draft 2055 regional transportation

[16:49] plan. We all had a really good

[16:51] presentation from Bob Allen. Was that

[16:53] January of this year or I don't know

[16:55] when it was but we had a really good

[16:57] presentation for MAG talked about the

[16:59] regional transportation plan. Um well

[17:03] the first one is 1680 to 1730.

[17:07] Um that one is that one's still on

[17:11] there.

[17:12] >> How long has that one been on there?

[17:15] >> A long time. I'd have to go back and

[17:17] look at the two previous transportation

[17:20] master plans, but it's been there I

[17:21] think for the at least the previous one.

[17:24] I don't know about the 2000, but it

[17:27] certainly was for the 2013.

[17:30] >> I had heard

[17:32] that when freeway would be rebuilt for

[17:36] the first Olympics

[17:41] and there was many many drafts of things

[17:43] to do just kind of swiveled at that

[17:45] point.

[17:46] Well, they had a whole collector

[17:48] distributor system that went from about

[17:49] Provo Center Street up to about 1730s,

[17:54] you know, 1460 somewhere around there.

[17:56] Um, but they selected design build

[18:00] contractor and that all went out the

[18:03] window. And what they were able to do is

[18:06] convince the DOT that if we don't build

[18:10] a collector distributor system, we can

[18:12] widen the road all the way down the

[18:14] Spanish Fork. That's what they did.

[18:17] >> So they lost the collector distributor

[18:20] system and the frontage roads a problem.

[18:23] >> And that's not something

[18:27] that

[18:28] >> it's it's not being proposed in the new

[18:31] R uh 2055 RTP. Let me just say it that

[18:34] way. It's still an idea or concept out

[18:37] there.

[18:38] >> Um,

[18:40] >> not like closing myself up. I'm cool.

[18:42] >> Ryan, did you have any personal

[18:45] knowledge of any personal knowledge, but

[18:48] I do like the CD system that was there

[18:50] and

[18:52] I kind of I've heard a lot of things in

[18:54] the industry that the design builder

[18:56] that won the job definitely didn't do

[18:58] any services to the local cities.

[19:01] um that the alternative could have been

[19:03] better for local development.

[19:07] >> No, you're exactly right. And and I

[19:10] think they really uh cater to the DOT and not

[19:14] to the partnering cities and tax. Yeah,

[19:18] >> I was

[19:20] >> um we still talked about the 500 north.

[19:22] We just talked about that. 700 East to

[19:24] 900 East, that's in their plan. 900

[19:27] South, grade separation. This is this is

[19:29] the one Craig that we're talking about.

[19:33] Um goes from 350 East over to 7th east.

[19:36] So basically

[19:38] >> from the

[19:41] >> Yeah, I would connect to State Street

[19:42] over there. Come down by the cemetery.

[19:45] Um and come down right before 350 here

[19:48] by the Food and Care Coalition.

[19:50] >> Hey, can we come back up? I know you

[19:52] just talked about 500 north, but the one

[19:54] above that is 500 north

[19:57] over under the railroad track.

[19:59] >> Uh 500 North uh to 620. U yeah, thank

[20:04] you. I skipped that one.

[20:06] >> This is completely new. This is not in

[20:08] Provo's transportation master plan. Um

[20:11] I'll show it to you in a little bit

[20:12] here, but this um this is a strange one.

[20:17] It would have to go up and over I-15,

[20:20] two sets of railroad tracks, the Provo

[20:22] River, and come in somewhere around

[20:25] destroying Fort Utah Park. I I don't

[20:29] know that people have thought that one

[20:31] through. Um, it's

[20:33] >> Fort

[20:36] Utah.

[20:38] >> Well, on the south side of the river,

[20:39] >> it's on the south side of the river.

[20:41] might come in right right on the north

[20:43] side, but it kind of it hits 620, which

[20:47] is

[20:48] >> you would either have to go it would

[20:50] you'd either have to take out like

[20:52] >> a bunch of you could you could work the

[20:54] bike trail, but you'd have to take out a

[20:56] bunch of houses in that neighborhood

[20:58] >> or

[21:00] like build it over the river, which I

[21:02] think would be

[21:03] >> I think the first one came in the first

[21:05] one came in right up for Utah Park. It

[21:07] wasn't far enough north, so they

[21:09] extended that to go up to 620. So when

[21:12] this goes out for public comment,

[21:16] >> uh you the when the RTP goes out for

[21:19] public comment by MAG and it will be

[21:21] toward uh the beginning of next year

[21:24] around January. uh we need to certainly

[21:27] get a recommendation from T-Mac and

[21:30] you're individually as residents of

[21:33] Provo you or Utah County you share

[21:36] whatever you want with them lies a lot

[21:39] of input okay

[21:41] >> so I I'm gonna and this is speculation

[21:44] but would this be something to

[21:48] lay a foundation for a

[21:52] » uh probably not right there. A little

[21:55] too close to the

[22:02] » but part of a CD system.

[22:05] >> Yeah. If it were a CD system, a

[22:07] collector distributor system, then that

[22:09] could work. Yeah.

[22:11] >> Okay.

[22:12] >> But that's not being proposed on the

[22:14] 2055 RTP. And then once and for all Utah

[22:19] Lake crossing from Pelican Point to the

[22:21] east side of Utah Lake.

[22:23] It right now they're showing it anywhere

[22:26] from 2000 North in Provo, Center Street

[22:29] in Provo. Um if you haven't heard it, um

[22:33] UD do is doing a major PEL study which

[22:36] is planning the environmental linkage

[22:38] study. They did meet with the

[22:40] administration and me

[22:43] earlier this week. um they six months

[22:46] into the study it will take two and a

[22:48] half years they have two years what I

[22:52] think Provo's concerns were this as we

[22:55] shared with the team

[22:57] um I believe Avenue is doing that right

[23:00] Ryan

[23:00] >> Avenue is doing that yeah

[23:02] >> so what we shared with Avenue

[23:04] consultants UD do's selected contractor

[23:06] for this was that

[23:09] we want to know once and for all

[23:12] is this feasible or not because if It's

[23:15] not feasible. Then we need to plan 10

[23:17] other projects that will somehow provide

[23:22] the access and the road widths and the

[23:25] transit and everything else that goes

[23:27] along with it. Otherwise, if you're just

[23:30] putting all your money into one idea and

[23:33] it doesn't ever happen, we got more

[23:35] congestion in the valley. Okay. So,

[23:38] that's kind of what we told them.

[23:43] that bridge.

[23:45] >> Sometimes the concepts are just studied

[23:47] to see what would happen because you

[23:48] don't know until you know like I'm doing

[23:50] a con like a feasibility study to put a

[23:53] cable stay structure over Lake Powell

[23:55] right now $600 million to put a bridge

[23:58] in the middle of nowhere

[23:59] >> but we don't know if it's what it looks

[24:02] like until we know what it looks like.

[24:04] >> This this study will look at a whole

[24:06] bunch of different alternatives. I mean,

[24:08] they'll look at fairies, they'll look at

[24:10] floating bridges, they'll look at spam

[24:12] bridges, they'll look at causeways,

[24:13] they'll look at, hey, we're going to

[24:16] know once and for all in a couple years,

[24:17] right? And that it either stays on the

[24:19] plan or it disappears for good. At least

[24:22] that's what I'm hoping. Okay.

[24:25] So existing east west widening project

[24:28] and magsdraft plan for two projects that

[24:31] are still on there are 2200 north um

[24:34] from Canyon Road to Stadium Avenue and

[24:36] also the 820 North corridor from Geneva

[24:39] Road to University Avenue. Those haven't

[24:41] changed. Those are still on our plan and

[24:43] they're still on the RTP's draft plan.

[24:47] Okay.

[24:52] Now we want to talk a little bit about

[24:55] level of service. Uh it can refer to an

[24:58] intersection or a corridor. What we're

[25:01] going to talk about today is more

[25:02] associated with the corridor level of

[25:04] service by segment instead of an

[25:08] intersection level of service. Um level

[25:11] of service B is what we design and what

[25:14] is acceptable in the state of Utah.

[25:18] That's just what it is in urban areas.

[25:22] In rural areas,

[25:24] uh, they design and what's acceptable in

[25:26] rural areas is level service C. It's a

[25:29] little bit better level of service, but

[25:30] they they have lesser population. They

[25:33] actually have, um, per capita more

[25:35] vehicle miles traveled in rural areas

[25:37] because they have to travel longer

[25:39] distances to school, to doctor's,

[25:42] appointments, to those things. Um,

[25:44] shopping even. Um so what we're going to

[25:47] talk a little bit about today is the

[25:49] level of service D for RPM peak hour

[25:53] here based upon daily traffic volumes.

[25:56] Uh capacity can roadway capacity can be

[26:00] varies

[26:02] by the number of lanes. It varies by the

[26:04] number of driveways or the number of

[26:06] public streets accessing it. Uh even

[26:09] traffic signal spacing and timing

[26:11] affects corridor level service. So you

[26:15] can kind of see up there it's like a

[26:17] report card right

[26:19] >> you should not interpret it as a report

[26:20] card the number one thing I teach

[26:23] >> okay

[26:23] >> it is not a card do not

[26:26] >> so level of service C means you have the

[26:29] least traffic delay level of service E

[26:32] means you are using the the

[26:34] infrastructure most efficiently you're

[26:37] operating more services closer to their

[26:39] capacity

[26:40] >> and and I I think that's a really good

[26:42] observation

[26:44] Um, however, um,

[26:47] that's why we designed to the level of

[26:49] service D, okay? Is to maximize,

[26:53] um, you you you don't want a roadway

[26:55] that's 200 ft wide and eight lanes

[26:57] across, right? Um, it's that no one's

[27:01] going to be using it half the time. You

[27:03] want to be efficient with the public's

[27:05] money and you also going to breezy

[27:09] expect to put up with some delay. No,

[27:12] the the number one mistake that people

[27:14] made when they developed level of

[27:15] service is give it letter grades. Yeah,

[27:17] >> it should not be interpreted as a report

[27:19] card. We've known this for decades, but

[27:21] it's so impossible not to look at that

[27:23] and say A's are better than like they're

[27:25] not,

[27:26] >> right? And that's why I started off with the level service D and what we

[27:31] designed for. But for a layman or lay

[27:34] person,

[27:36] you can look at it as a report card.

[27:38] Okay. Again, I reject

[27:41] you should not interpret it as a report

[27:43] card.

[27:44] >> It's tricky because everything has a

[27:46] lifetime, right? So, you're shooting for

[27:47] optimal lifetime utilization. So, when

[27:50] you first build, it might be

[27:51] underutilized.

[27:52] >> That's right.

[27:54] >> 20 years down the road, it might be

[27:55] failing again. So, when you see things

[27:58] built, it's not like we're building for

[27:59] today. Usually, it's sometime in the

[28:01] future. There's usually a target year

[28:02] that we designed to.

[28:04] >> I I think that's a really good point.

[28:06] um you get a new road and you're going

[28:08] to see just that on Lake View Parkway

[28:10] when I get down to it, right? You're

[28:12] going to see this new facility and

[28:13] you're going to say, "No one's using

[28:15] it." It's not the case necessarily, but

[28:18] uh okay, I'm going to try to blow this

[28:20] up just a little bit so you can see the

[28:22] numbers here.

[28:24] Um let's start off with 4800 North and

[28:27] Foothill Drive. So, this is Foothill

[28:30] Drive coming down off the mountain. Uh

[28:32] this is one of the roads that we got

[28:34] built here and connected next to 4,800

[28:37] north. Um these are segments. So each

[28:40] segment that you see here, we were able

[28:42] to pull up the volume and the percentage

[28:47] of that capacity being utilized for

[28:50] level of service D. It's not the

[28:52] physical capacity of the road. So it's

[28:55] not level of service C like you would

[28:56] find on a a rural area, but it's level

[29:00] of service D. So when we look at this

[29:03] 21,000 vehicles between this segment and

[29:06] this segment, we're looking at about 64,

[29:09] if I'm reading that correctly, 64% uh

[29:12] capacity of a level of service D. So

[29:15] there's, you know, it might be busy, but

[29:18] it's it's not not uh not that busy,

[29:23] right?

[29:23] >> Yeah. You could add you could add 10,000

[29:26] cars per day to it and it would still be

[29:28] level service.

[29:30] So, this next segment 14,000, you see

[29:33] it's at 42%.

[29:35] Now, remember how I talked about lane

[29:37] sizes and lane widths or not lane widths

[29:40] necessarily, but lane number of lanes.

[29:42] Um, it does drop down here and so I have

[29:45] to use a different calculation to

[29:47] calculate these roadway segments. So,

[29:51] this newer road that we built a few

[29:53] years back is about 30% capacity for a

[29:57] level service D. It's got 5,400 vehicles

[30:01] that use it on a daily basis. Um,

[30:05] this segment 3,300. So, it drops down at

[30:08] 18% and then it climbs a little bit

[30:10] 3,500 vehicles per day on Foothill.

[30:15] So, we're going to go through each one

[30:16] of these east west because that's what I

[30:19] was requested to provide information.

[30:21] >> Thank you.

[30:22] >> And then you guys get to uh certainly do

[30:25] some discussion here for the rest of the

[30:27] day. Let me zoom in on this one. Okay.

[30:29] 3700 North. Uh I believe this connects

[30:33] to 8 South in Orum

[30:34] >> and this goes by

[30:37] >> and yeah, it hits Temp High School and

[30:39] Edgemont

[30:40] Elementary School. Um Will's Pit Stop is

[30:44] here to orient you. Uh so we're about

[30:47] 83% on this segment. Um, we have a major

[30:51] safety problem right here and we're

[30:52] going to be doing something at Edgewood

[30:54] Drive in the next year or less if we

[30:58] can. Um, but we are Dave's already

[31:03] designed a draft for us and we're going

[31:04] to look at improving the safety of that

[31:07] intersection. This segment's about 89%.

[31:11] So, what happens is is there's a lot of

[31:14] vehicles that use this segment here.

[31:16] you're at 60%, you drop down to 60%

[31:19] here. And then, you know, Quell Valley,

[31:23] you know, it's just not that busy.

[31:27] Let's go down to the next one.

[31:29] University Parkway. Now, you're asking,

[31:32] is that a north south road or east west?

[31:34] It is east west.

[31:35] >> It's it's it's the diagonal,

[31:37] >> right? It's the diagonal. The old

[31:39] diagonal as we called it. Um, so now

[31:42] when I show this up here at 103%,

[31:45] that means it's 103% of level of service

[31:48] D capacity, which means it really is a

[31:52] level of service E. Everybody's been

[31:54] there, right?

[31:56] Get down here a little bit better. Um,

[31:59] 75%,

[32:00] 88%, it gets busier. Uh, where we at

[32:04] here? 90%.

[32:06] Um, Voden, what's this number? 61. Okay.

[32:10] And so 92 if I remember correctly over

[32:12] here by the stadium and then uh what's

[32:15] that 63

[32:18] so that is that is Parkway and um

[32:22] there are some very busy park parts of

[32:25] Parkway and the further west you get the

[32:27] worse it is right everybody's been up to

[32:31] or

[32:34] 2230 north uh this connects to

[32:37] University Parkway and to our 9 east. Uh

[32:40] we're at 65% between this segment here,

[32:44] 67% between University Avenue and Canyon

[32:47] Road at 111%.

[32:50] Uh now I wanted to tell you the two

[32:54] numbers here. This is a number that's

[32:57] extrapolated using U dot numbers. This

[33:00] is U dot numbers. When you see an

[33:02] asterisk, that is Provo City's actual

[33:05] counts. Okay? So they're off by 2,000

[33:08] here because I counted this in January

[33:11] at 17,000 and it's probably a little low

[33:14] because that time of year seasonal

[33:16] fluctuation. Um but when you look at

[33:19] that uh during PMP peak hour it's

[33:22] certainly over level of service D and

[33:25] we're into E.

[33:27] As you pull around here on 9 east you're

[33:30] going to see traffic increase. The drop

[33:33] off is at Temp View or Tempview Drive.

[33:37] I lost my mouse. And that's around 85%

[33:40] along 9 east. So, it's a busy facility.

[33:45] Everybody knows it's busy facility. Um,

[33:48] and it's only getting

[33:51] busy now. Didn't you do something last

[33:54] summer? Didn't you do some traffic

[33:56] counts on there last summer on 19?

[33:57] >> We did. Yeah, we did some traffic counts

[33:59] on 9 east over by the church building

[34:00] south of University.

[34:01] >> Okay.

[34:03] >> We didn't analyze this at all. If you

[34:04] want the data, I can share it.

[34:06] >> Yeah, I'd love love love to see that.

[34:07] >> I mean, it was it was kind of an

[34:08] interesting time because it was when

[34:10] that stretch of 900 East was closed.

[34:13] >> Uh was the stretch between the the MTC

[34:17] and the and the temple was was shut.

[34:19] >> Oh, yeah.

[34:20] >> So, volumes may have been lower.

[34:23] >> Yeah.

[34:27] » Temple reopens, what do you expect these

[34:30] volumes to increase by? I don't know how

[34:33] much they're going to increase, but I

[34:36] know I'm going to have to do a signal

[34:37] warrant analysis on North Temple and 9

[34:40] East.

[34:42] I've already promised that to the

[34:43] neighborhood.

[34:44] So, and I won't do it in house. That one

[34:47] I'll actually hire a consultant to do

[34:49] because

[34:51] I want to make sure everybody's

[34:53] trustworthy. A little tricky though

[34:55] because the old temple district

[35:06] uh 820 north. Uh let's look at the

[35:08] volumes there. Uh I'm going to make this

[35:11] just a little bit bigger so I can see

[35:12] it. Okay, so this segment, please note

[35:16] that this segment's only a couple lanes.

[35:19] And so when I say it's 86% of level

[35:22] service D capacity and then it drops

[35:24] down here to 37, that's because we get

[35:27] to three lanes here. Uh we get over here

[35:30] west, I'm sorry, east of uh State

[35:33] Street, it goes back up to 89%.

[35:36] And then what we're looking 70 there uh

[35:40] west of uh between Freedom and and

[35:45] University Avenue and then 64%

[35:49] east of uh University Avenue.

[35:52] >> What what methodology did you use to

[35:53] determine the level of service?

[35:56] Um I you

[35:57] >> not not the level of service but the the capacity uh for the because yeah

[36:02] there's no turn lane on that section of

[36:03] 820 north but there also no driveways to

[36:05] turn left into. So it's strange that

[36:07] your level of service capacity would be

[36:09] so sensitive to that.

[36:11] >> It's sensitive to lanes and it's

[36:13] sensitive to the spacing of traffic

[36:15] signals. So it's either less than or

[36:18] greater than half mile segments. And I

[36:21] can show you what I use. I use UD do

[36:24] approved

[36:25] um

[36:27] uh level of service capacities for CDME.

[36:31] Uh that's what I use. Okay. So is that based on high capacity manual

[36:35] methodology or

[36:36] >> Yeah. Highway capacity methodology for

[36:39] urban, suburban and rural areas. I this

[36:42] is urban area. So

[36:43] >> when were these numbers?

[36:46] >> These are Thank you. 2024.

[36:49] So they're a couple years old.

[36:52] This combination of and

[36:55] >> this is AAD. So this is daily traffic

[36:58] volumes.

[37:00] >> The level service will fluctuate during

[37:02] the day.

[37:04] >> I guess as I'm seeing all the numbers,

[37:06] I'm really curious each section has

[37:08] different volumes and where are they

[37:10] going from?

[37:12] Well, in this case, it's it's not a

[37:14] difference in the there's some

[37:15] difference in the volume, but mostly the

[37:17] difference between the 86% and the 37%

[37:20] is you're using a different inputs to

[37:22] this level of service formula. So, it's

[37:24] not that the volume is changing by that

[37:26] much. It's that the data the design data

[37:29] makes the level of service the the

[37:32] capacity at which you reach level of

[37:34] service be much higher.

[37:39] And there are a number of reasons

[37:40] vehicles crammed together there on the west side. You've got the Freedom

[37:43] Academy there, the Liberty, whatever.

[37:45] There's a lot of vehicles stack up when

[37:48] those kids are getting in and out.

[37:49] You've got the railroad crossing there.

[37:51] A lot of people going to, you know, the

[37:53] high school or something, get to sit

[37:54] there and wait for a train or they're

[37:56] coming back, get to sit there and wait

[37:57] for the trains. There just a lot of

[37:59] reasons people jam up near the freeway.

[38:02] That's right. the level of service

[38:03] decapacity

[38:05] >> the level of service decapacity over by

[38:07] the freeway is like 11,000

[38:10] uh but then you drop 3,000 because of

[38:12] all the freedom prep provoc

[38:14] onto gramby right so the volume goes

[38:16] down by by 3,000 but the level of

[38:18] service D volume jumps up to 16,000 in

[38:21] that segment

[38:23] >> because of the extra space and the nose

[38:25] traffic signals and the turn lane and

[38:27] all those other things. So that's

[38:30] >> when it goes past 500

[38:36] » the volume goes up.

[38:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's why.

[38:40] >> And also be aware of the length of the

[38:41] segments. Um so this is a pretty small

[38:44] segment from Independence over to Geneva

[38:46] Road. This is a much larger segment from

[38:48] Independence all the way over to 500.

[38:55] Okay. Which one is this one? This one is

[38:58] 500 North. So you can see 500 North. Um

[39:03] it's got a lot of capacity still

[39:05] remaining at it. It's been busy,

[39:08] very very busy because it's been our

[39:10] detour route for the bridge being out at

[39:13] 820. So that doesn't reflect today's

[39:17] numbers. Okay, this is 2024 numbers. As

[39:21] you get closer, I think everybody

[39:23] realizes how important 500 North is to

[39:25] Provo City.

[39:27] And um you get over here by the by the

[39:31] rec center and you're going to see

[39:33] higher capacity. We are replacing that

[39:35] signal there this year. Um and then when

[39:39] you get um east of that University

[39:42] Avenue

[39:44] number was 11,000. Okay. I didn't

[39:48] believe it and I still don't believe it.

[39:50] And so we had numbers where we just did

[39:53] a Khan did a new traffic signal at

[39:56] northeast and 500 north and this was our

[39:59] traffic volume counts. Okay.

[40:01] >> Well, you should use UDA's numbers when

[40:03] you're doing signal war analysis. You

[40:05] should do pro.

[40:10] » So anyway, this this show's a little

[40:12] off, right? I mean that's that's pretty

[40:15] far off.

[40:15] >> Well, they probably measured it right at

[40:16] the library. Yeah, they could have these

[40:19] segments, you know, they measure the

[40:21] whole segment. So, you're right. They

[40:22] could have measured it right at the

[40:24] library.

[40:25] Okay, let's go to the next one. This is

[40:28] 200. Um, I don't believe this either.

[40:31] Uh, a thousand vehicles on uh on 200

[40:35] North. If that's the case, best kept

[40:38] secret in Provo for East West Mobility

[40:41] is 200 North.

[40:42] >> I go 200 all the time.

[40:45] And let's just keep that secret. Yeah,

[40:47] keep that secret

[40:49] meeting.

[40:53] » Let's look at 200 north.

[40:56] >> Yeah, I have seen the difference

[40:58] >> especially with BRT.

[41:01] >> Yeah,

[41:02] >> you've seen an increase in traffic.

[41:05] >> Tremendous.

[41:05] >> Because David lives right on 200. He

[41:07] fronts 200 north on the south side.

[41:10] So if we are cutting off

[41:13] >> Yeah, there's that's about the only you

[41:15] can cross university at

[41:19] >> center, first north, second north, fifth

[41:22] north

[41:24] and what is it? Seven store

[41:30] » third and fourth third fourth and sixth.

[41:36] » Okay. Center street will go again from

[41:38] west to east. Uh we got out here Lake

[41:41] View Parkway. Actually it's Lakeshore

[41:43] Drive is this segment out to the harbor. Um 15% it's all

[41:51] concerns there. When people say how busy

[41:54] Center Street is, it is very, very busy.

[41:57] Um, we look at 5100. We just did some,

[42:01] we just added bike lanes and uh this

[42:04] section was just uh re completely

[42:06] reconstructed.

[42:08] So, um, David was able to uh get us bike

[42:13] lanes on the south side. We had them on

[42:15] the north side, just didn't have room on

[42:17] the south side. Future development is

[42:19] going to push that where we'll get curb

[42:20] and gutter soon.

[42:23] Okay, moving over here. This is an

[42:26] interesting thing. Um, UD do said they

[42:29] had 18,000 vehicles, which is 275%

[42:33] of a level service D, which means it's

[42:35] pretty much failing. Okay, during PMP,

[42:39] um, our counts are a little bit

[42:41] different. Um,

[42:45] » had 28,000.

[42:46] >> 28,000.

[42:47] >> Oh, it's 28,000. Thank you. My eyes are

[42:49] bad. 185 I believe. Now the reason for the

[42:55] two different ones there is I calculated

[43:01] this one out at its current two-lane

[43:04] configuration. It will be restriped this

[43:07] summer to a three-lane facility. You got

[43:10] once that apartment complex is built

[43:12] that will be striped from 1600 west to

[43:15] Geneva Road to a three-lane facility and

[43:18] then it's still 137% capacity of a level

[43:23] service D. Okay, it will improve

[43:27] but it's still going to be a level

[43:28] service

[43:28] >> without the department going in. So,

[43:32] >> okay. uh 109%

[43:35] uh I don't think this surprises anybody

[43:37] that we have 36,000 vehicles coming off

[43:40] of uh I-15 on Center Street. Uh a lot of

[43:44] them turn, but some continue center

[43:48] street itself. It's a little peculiar. I

[43:51] did calculate this out at four lanes. Um

[43:54] there are four lanes. They're very

[43:55] small, nine nine and a half foot width

[43:57] lanes, but uh we do have a lot of

[44:00] traffic signals. So that's at 75%

[44:03] capacity with 18,000.

[44:06] My I hadn't gone out there and counted.

[44:09] We haven't done our data there, but I

[44:11] suspect we're closer to 20,000 on that

[44:15] segment. Drops down to 11,000 when you

[44:18] get east. And then there's a little

[44:20] segment here between 9th and

[44:24] 1080 or something like that.

[44:25] >> Seventh and nth.

[44:26] >> Seventh and ninth. Thank you. It is

[44:28] seventh and ninth. 64 and then I get

[44:31] down to 39 when I guess east of 9 east.

[44:35] Um what we learned was the state

[44:38] hospital produces a lot more trips than

[44:40] we thought.

[44:43] Obviously not by patients but by support

[44:45] staff and

[44:47] all the the freight deliveries that need

[44:49] to be there to support the population

[44:51] that's there. Plus six Grisby Golf.

[44:57] It draws people from everywhere.

[44:59] >> Really?

[45:00] >> Every once in a while you get to go to

[45:02] the castle.

[45:03] >> What was that?

[45:04] >> The castle.

[45:04] >> Oh yes.

[45:05] >> What are your What are your October?

[45:07] >> Are they still doing the haunted castle?

[45:11] >> I remember doing that years ago. I

[45:13] didn't know they still have it. Okay,

[45:16] let's let's go down and talk Lake View

[45:19] Parkway for just a second. This is a new

[45:22] facility, right? This is exactly what

[45:24] Ryan was kind of talking about. Uh

[45:26] there's excess capacity built to

[45:28] accommodate capacity up to the design

[45:30] year. David, do you remember the design

[45:32] year? 2045 or 2050? I think it was 2050

[45:36] was the design year on this one. So, UD

[45:39] do says we only have a thousand vehicles

[45:41] and that's only 3% for a level service

[45:44] D. Um I've done some counts out there.

[45:47] We actually have around 2,600 vehicles a

[45:49] day and it's getting busier. It's

[45:51] growing

[45:52] >> well and people realize that it's

[45:54] connecting like I know soon as 2000

[45:57] connected through to the parkway that's

[45:59] how I drive home every day from work the

[46:02] volume has gone up on 2000

[46:08] » and then

[46:08] >> and it connects

[46:11] >> this segment west I'm sorry east of

[46:13] University Avenue is one big segment

[46:15] that they did. It's 14,000 approaching

[46:18] 60% capacity on on Lake View Parkway. So

[46:23] now this is where I get to turn it back

[46:25] to you guys for discussion and I get to

[46:28] enjoy not talking.

[46:31] >> I I'm going to have you scroll through.

[46:33] >> Okay.

[46:34] >> Can you go to the Center Street?

[46:37] >> Which one?

[46:37] >> The Center Street.

[46:39] >> Yep.

[46:40] I am very yeah that one

[46:45] to me that's actually extremely

[46:47] concerning

[46:49] the fact that we are still over capacity

[46:52] in both areas coming off

[46:57] >> well let me just say that it is a state

[46:59] route state route 114

[47:02] we have been working tirelessly for the

[47:04] last several years trying to get Geneva

[47:07] Road and that segment on Center Street

[47:10] built that's supposed to go to five

[47:12] lanes and then the Geneva Road supposed

[47:14] to be a three l full three-lane

[47:16] cross-section sidewalk curb and gutter

[47:18] and and shoulders on the east side

[47:22] curve gutter and a trail and shoulders

[47:24] on the west side.

[47:26] >> That was my my next question because I

[47:28] know Geneva Road State Road and I know

[47:30] 500 West.

[47:33] So that once it crosses over and hits

[47:36] 500, does it stop being a state road and

[47:38] go down to 300?

[47:40] >> It's a state road all the way up to

[47:42] State Street. So State Street to 2050

[47:45] West. Now years ago, this used to be a

[47:48] state road all the way to the state

[47:49] hospital. And all the reds on that are

[47:52] state

[48:01] » and I know this is more of a northwest

[48:03] connection not not north south not east

[48:08] west but I feel like it's probably going

[48:10] to impact it. They have plans to take

[48:13] Geneva all the way to Lake. So we yeah

[48:16] it's in our transportation master plan

[48:18] to connect 2050 west down to Lake View

[48:21] Parkway. Yes.

[48:24] My biggest concern in this area is

[48:28] all the development is going to happen

[48:29] here in Southwest Provo and then how

[48:31] does that traffic get on the northbound

[48:33] I-15? I hate the northbound access at

[48:35] University Avenue interchange. I don't

[48:37] really airport too much here. this is

[48:40] where everybody's going to go

[48:42] >> and this traffic, you know, as that

[48:45] fills out, this is just going to get

[48:46] worse and worse for the interchange.

[48:50] >> Well, that's why the parkway,

[48:54] correct me if I'm wrong, or was

[48:56] basically told to finish the parkway up

[49:00] connected to Geneva Road right below or

[49:02] tel so that they have access to

[49:05] >> New York Avenue interchange, which also

[49:07] isn't great. Yes. Well, I I understand,

[49:10] but it's a connection towards towards

[49:11] the freeway. Um, that's

[49:16] » Is there still a a new interchange in

[49:19] Provo on the plan?

[49:21] >> It is currently on the RTP and it's a

[49:24] draft on the future draft of the RTP at

[49:28] 820.

[49:28] >> They'd have to do an environmental

[49:29] impact statement.

[49:34] I think the idea is putting

[49:36] a freeway interchange somewhere around

[49:38] 800.

[49:40] >> I know that's in the plan. Like part of

[49:42] the reason I'm here, I told this

[49:43] committee rejected that last year. U had

[49:46] aotted $3 million for that environmental

[49:48] study and Provo turned them down.

[49:50] uh the mayor turned them down because

[49:54] I don't think this committee ever talked

[49:55] about I don't know like I wasn't

[49:57] >> we had probably at least half if not

[50:02] somewhere around half of that funding

[50:03] already I was on the original team the

[50:06] private sector side that did partial

[50:09] that study um it didn't move forward

[50:13] with the environmental I think it's just

[50:17] a personal opinion I think once UD do is

[50:19] done with their PEL study and catch your

[50:21] breath.

[50:22] >> Got to do the same thing for 8:20 and

[50:25] make a final decision on that someday,

[50:27] right? I'm not

[50:29] >> It would be the commute lane. We have

[50:32] the commuters for BYU and IHC that are

[50:34] our biggest employers. It would be a

[50:36] direct commute for them to get all those

[50:38] commuters to get out of University

[50:40] Parkway. And

[50:42] >> except BYU has no parking.

[50:45] There's nowhere for the traffic to go

[50:47] on.

[50:49] because it goes at the bottom side of

[50:52] right through all of the

[50:56] >> building. What was that?

[51:02] » There's there's the there's the bank

[51:04] parking lot right next to Canyon Road

[51:06] and Old Provo High. That's a good size

[51:09] lot.

[51:10] >> Yeah.

[51:10] Um

[51:12] >> that may still be there. They have

[51:14] >> BYU is is contemplating charging faculty

[51:18] and staff for parking

[51:20] in an effort to reduce truck driving to

[51:22] campus. So

[51:26] >> is is there any Well, okay. I'm

[51:28] >> think BYU has thousands of parking

[51:30] spaces every day that go unused. They're

[51:32] all in university.

[51:37] » A lot of lot of capacity by the stadium

[51:39] for parking. But I have seen that fill

[51:42] up considerably over the years. Um,

[51:45] that's a thing that BYU kind of says to

[51:48] the city. Don't worry about parking.

[51:50] Whenever they build a new building,

[51:51] don't worry about parking because we got

[51:53] plenty of it. Well, you do have plenty

[51:55] of it, just maybe not in the locations

[51:57] where it's needed.

[51:59] >> So, for Center Street, this is all

[52:02] mostly all of this is state. So, we

[52:05] really can't do much about it. No,

[52:09] that's not true. We It's on the RTP.

[52:13] It's on our plan as well. And we are

[52:17] really been pushing hard for Geneva Road

[52:19] and Center Street to get fixed.

[52:21] >> So, we do when we do state projects. I

[52:23] primarily work for UDOT projects. We

[52:26] generally have to follow whatever the

[52:28] local municipally master plan is. We

[52:30] can't just do whatever we want. The

[52:32] master plan for the city says there's a

[52:34] trail here. We put the trail in on the

[52:36] UD do property to make

[52:38] So if it's not on the city's master

[52:40] plan, then we do what's best for you do

[52:42] generally.

[52:44] >> So if this is sitting from you do

[52:47] perspective, this is sitting at 275%

[52:50] capacity.

[52:54] » Yeah. The 28,275

[52:57] capacity. Would they consider expanding

[52:59] center shoot?

[53:01] >> Yeah. And I' I've shared this

[53:03] information with them. When I found out

[53:06] I was looking at the traffic study for

[53:07] the apartment complex and I said, "Guys,

[53:11] we got a safety problem on Center Street

[53:13] between 16 between the interchange and

[53:16] 2050." And I showed them this. They're

[53:18] aware of it.

[53:20] >> It's also important to note though that

[53:23] thing that's actually going to govern

[53:24] the design of these roads in these tight

[53:26] urban areas is the intersection level

[53:28] service, which is a different

[53:30] methodology. like the the center street

[53:33] to fifth west is a intersection design

[53:36] problem not a segment problem like the

[53:39] volumes are over 100% but the the

[53:41] intersection design level service is the

[53:44] thing you need to look at and even if

[53:45] you make

[53:46] >> talking about the freeway exchange or

[53:47] just

[53:48] >> no I'm talking about center street over

[53:49] to fist uh west that giant left turn

[53:52] lane that backs up two blocks every day

[53:54] uh that's an intersection issue not a

[53:55] road segment issue and even if you make

[53:58] Geneva road seven lane for if you make

[54:01] Geneva seven lanes, you make Center

[54:02] Street seven lanes west of the freeway,

[54:04] the signals at the interchange can't

[54:06] handle the additional volumes.

[54:08] >> So, one thought that

[54:12] couple of us had several years ago was

[54:14] why since Provo City Center

[54:18] drops the the speed and is really making

[54:21] that more of a pedestrian bike friendly

[54:24] area, which I'm I'm not opposed to at

[54:25] all. Why not push traffic up to that's a

[54:29] 35 mile an hour road? Is there a way to

[54:31] design it that way? I think that would

[54:34] help with that situation because like

[54:36] you said, a lot of people go 500 west.

[54:39] They we still have 75% capacity in the

[54:43] downtown area, but it's more about that

[54:46] like you said, the interchange between

[54:47] Center Street.

[54:49] >> Yeah, we're certainly encouraging First

[54:51] North. Um it is a 35 mph road having a

[54:55] little faster speed 35 over 15. We think

[54:59] there would be a little bit better

[55:00] attraction.

[55:02] Um but um we we haven't seen a huge

[55:05] change. Uh what's going to change that

[55:08] eventually is going to have to be design

[55:12] and that's

[55:15] but that that's all I'm going to say.

[55:17] It's already acting at a very core level

[55:21] intersection level of service at the 500

[55:24] West and I'm

[55:27] working with UD do now where six west

[55:30] may not be a through street much longer

[55:33] they experience raised median there we

[55:36] don't get people turning left there

[55:38] anyway maybe two for peak hour I don't

[55:42] even know how they can do it during peak

[55:44] hour safety hazard when they safety

[55:46] hazard and they do it. So, we're

[55:50] >> like 3700 North right before the signal

[55:53] there. We got a problem. And same thing

[55:55] with this one only. This is truly you do

[55:57] DOT's problem, but we're going to work

[55:58] with them.

[56:00] >> I I guess if I were to if I had all the

[56:03] money in the world and impacted nobody

[56:06] on a personal level, I would say reroute

[56:09] center street to go up to First North

[56:11] and have the major intersection be at

[56:12] First North.

[56:16] Well, there you get east west problems

[56:18] too because first north ends at the old

[56:24] it doesn't go all the way

[56:27] >> and you have a res like there are four

[56:29] there are five blocks of it where it's

[56:31] effectively an arterial but every other

[56:33] part of it is a residential street

[56:36] >> at least turns

[56:38] >> so that's if we're talking about if

[56:40] we're talking about because if you got

[56:42] 36,000 coming from the freeway to fifth

[56:44] north but you only have 18,000

[56:46] Half of that traffic is going north and

[56:49] south on

[56:49] >> That's right.

[56:51] >> So, why not make it easier to go north

[56:53] and south on Sith?

[56:54] >> There was a discussion a couple years

[56:55] ago, Vern, I think you were around for

[56:57] this about the city acquiring that

[56:59] grocery store and building a big S-curve

[57:01] into Center Street, right? And so then

[57:03] it would dump people off on first. The

[57:05] problem is where people really want to

[57:07] go is northbound off State Street. You

[57:09] still have a huge left turn problem.

[57:12] What would be sweet in my mind is if you

[57:14] did one frontage couplet, center street

[57:16] would be eastbound, first north would be

[57:19] westbound. They come together near the

[57:20] interchange. We do see that all the time

[57:22] and all the cities that have done that

[57:24] have tried to walk away from it because

[57:26] it's really bad for like local

[57:29] pedestrians.

[57:32] » A lot of cities did that in the 70s and

[57:35] every city that did it is trying to undo

[57:37] it now. One one way roads just have more

[57:39] efficient intersections like for traffic

[57:41] movement if you ignore everything else.

[57:44] Sorry. But it becomes a car sewer and

[57:47] all the businesses die.

[57:49] >> Yeah. Ignore everything else. You move a

[57:52] lot of cars through but no one wants to

[57:55] be around.

[57:57] >> Which one's better for the actress?

[58:00] >> Yeah. On the old east side.

[58:04] I I think what's archaic, even though

[58:06] it's new, is both of our interchanges.

[58:10] Both of them are

[58:13] peculiar in nature. They're not any

[58:15] standardized intersection interchange on

[58:18] the entire I-15. I8 is the worst

[58:21] designed interchange in the state. Like

[58:24] it's a death trap. It has terrible

[58:26] operational efficiency. Um the people

[58:29] who designed it should be ashamed.

[58:32] >> Well, it's not what I understand. So I

[58:35] was told that Provo forced that onto UD

[58:37] dot that Provo had a better design.

[58:39] People here complained it would turn

[58:40] into a raceway with what UD do wanted to

[58:42] do. So they put this in.

[58:43] >> Well, there's also an issue where the design that uh would be most

[58:47] efficient would have required closing

[58:50] that interchange for a year.

[58:53] Um because they they had to build the

[58:55] new interchange

[58:57] like they had to build the new

[58:58] interchange where the old one wasn't and

[59:00] they wanted to keep Center Street open

[59:02] across I-15 in the freeway during the

[59:05] construction. Uh and so that means that meant they had to move it down and

[59:09] that's why you get this weird displaced

[59:11] design. The the way to do it correctly

[59:14] would would have been to tear it down,

[59:16] close the whole road for a year and then

[59:18] open up a welldesigned energy. That was

[59:21] rejected.

[59:22] Okay. Can we send these? Yeah,

[59:26] >> I'll I'll get I'll send the PDF out to

[59:30] everybody. I'll make sure that gets done

[59:32] and uh I also like

[59:34] >> you guys can look at it and I think you

[59:37] guys could discuss more next meeting in

[59:39] June and I won't have to present in

[59:41] June. Um you guys could just any other

[59:45] items you want on the agenda other than

[59:47] east west connectivity. I think it's

[59:49] healthy discussion and I I know right

[59:51] now uh intuitively uh some of the

[59:54] engineers in the room have been looking

[59:57] at this and discussing things and and

[1:00:00] even engineers have difference of

[1:00:02] opinions right so um I think it's

[1:00:06] healthy discussion

[1:00:08] but let's our our plans do have

[1:00:13] you know remedies for this we we are

[1:00:15] planning east west connectivity

[1:00:18] there's just only so much money and a

[1:00:20] lot of this is development driven where

[1:00:22] we just don't go out and build the road

[1:00:24] ourselves. Sometimes we do like like

[1:00:26] View Parkway, but um rarely does that

[1:00:29] often occur.

[1:00:32] >> So this is my encouragement to T-Mac

[1:00:34] members. Um

[1:00:36] he's going to send these out. Go through

[1:00:38] them if you can if you have time.

[1:00:43] did two or three highlights kind of want

[1:00:45] to bring up because for me the first

[1:00:46] things that highlighted to me was center

[1:00:48] street also the

[1:00:51] around the temple those are kind of the

[1:00:53] two big highlights to me through these

[1:00:56] things but go through looking through

[1:00:57] look at your highlights we don't have

[1:00:59] much on the agenda for next month so we

[1:01:02] can just go through these slides one by

[1:01:04] one if we want to um yeah and I think

[1:01:10] this is going to be a very interesting

[1:01:11] discussion

[1:01:13] Yeah.

[1:01:13] >> Yes.

[1:01:13] >> I I do have a suggestion for a followup

[1:01:16] item for

[1:01:18] >> not too far in the future.

[1:01:19] >> Okay.

[1:01:20] >> And that was last May we heard from the

[1:01:23] BYU students and faculty about the near

[1:01:26] misses by

[1:01:29] and near misses with

[1:01:33] cars. And the in that discussion, I

[1:01:37] remember talking about people trying to

[1:01:40] report near misses

[1:01:43] and and and people trying to report

[1:01:49] bicycle related incidents with cars and

[1:01:53] the system for doing that was not very

[1:01:56] functional and I remember some

[1:01:58] discussion about that. I don't know what

[1:02:00] the police department I I remember

[1:02:04] something vaguely about that, but

[1:02:07] >> I have a follow up on that. The police

[1:02:09] did hear that. They did make a change to

[1:02:11] make it easier reporting a non vehicular

[1:02:14] accident. Um but they're they are not

[1:02:18] counting near misses. No way to report a

[1:02:21] near miss.

[1:02:23] Okay. Now there is software out there

[1:02:26] and camera systems that do that. Um

[1:02:31] we have not invested in those systems.

[1:02:36] Would we have to build a data center to

[1:02:39] have enough?

[1:02:47] » Okay. Um really quick. I know we're like

[1:02:50] right almost at time, but uh Davis,

[1:02:52] could you just give us a real brief

[1:02:54] update on 820?

[1:02:56] >> So,

[1:02:57] we are on schedule. We're plann to open

[1:02:59] up July 4th um for the road.

[1:03:03] Uh the trail will remain closed for a

[1:03:07] number of weeks after that as we are

[1:03:08] getting a mural painted and the artist

[1:03:11] has requested kind of clean conditions

[1:03:13] and that can't happen really during

[1:03:15] construction. So, we're kind of doing it

[1:03:17] a two-phase opening, but the road will

[1:03:19] be opened um scheduled by the 4th of

[1:03:22] July.

[1:03:22] >> Yay.

[1:03:23] >> So, we can I can you can just get

[1:03:25] through these, but this is just kind of

[1:03:27] some updates. We've done some back

[1:03:29] filling. We've poured the deck. Um you

[1:03:32] can just see as we go through, but we've

[1:03:34] made a lot of progress in the last

[1:03:35] month, and this next month, you'll see

[1:03:37] uh just as much progress here as we

[1:03:39] close out this project. So,

[1:03:41] >> it's all the visual progress. Mhm. T

[1:03:44] going to be lighted.

[1:03:46] >> H will the tunnel be lighted?

[1:03:47] >> Yes.

[1:03:51] » Oh yeah.

[1:03:53] >> Er, do we have much on the University

[1:03:55] Avenue bridge replacement?

[1:03:56] >> Uh, yeah, we have a couple of things.

[1:03:58] Uh, I don't know if I reported last

[1:04:00] month we were boring. We ran into an

[1:04:03] object. Um, started to go up a little

[1:04:06] bit. Um, they submitted a revised plan

[1:04:10] of the railroad. the railroad turned

[1:04:12] that one down. Surprise. Um, and then

[1:04:15] just a couple of things associated with

[1:04:17] that project. We're restriping, we've

[1:04:20] been, not us, but the contractors been

[1:04:22] restriping Lake View Parkway and and the

[1:04:26] State Street intersection all week.

[1:04:28] Sorry for the delays. Uh, but that's going to be so much better.

[1:04:34] You'll see it. It's just a a much better

[1:04:37] striping. and you won't see lines going

[1:04:40] everywhere. Which way? Also, just be

[1:04:43] prepared in the month of June.

[1:04:47] I don't even want to say this. Um, the

[1:04:50] southbound

[1:04:52] onramp to I-15 is going to be shut down

[1:04:54] at University Avenue. So, what you'll do

[1:05:00] instead of making that

[1:05:01] >> to southbound I5 or southbound to

[1:05:03] northbound I5?

[1:05:04] >> Southbound. Southbound. Southbound

[1:05:07] University Avenue to southbound I-15.

[1:05:09] Okay. So, you'll go to the traffic

[1:05:12] light. You'll make a right and then

[1:05:14] you'll make a left onto the ramp and

[1:05:17] that's going to be down for a month

[1:05:19] while they do pour new concrete on the

[1:05:22] slip ramp. Uh that's the little hook

[1:05:24] ramp going northbound.

[1:05:25] >> Oh, man.

[1:05:26] >> So, just be aware

[1:05:31] of that.

[1:05:32] >> Has been like blasted out there. Joseph

[1:05:36] will be in charge of that. Joseph

[1:05:37] sitting back here

[1:05:40] will work together that out.

[1:05:46] » Well, good thing

[1:05:48] we husband doesn't have to say that

[1:05:49] anymore.

[1:05:50] >> Okay. H Did you have anything?

[1:05:51] >> Uh we can discuss it next month.

[1:05:53] >> Next month. We're good. Okay.

[1:05:56] >> Okay.

[1:05:58] >> Go go go over. Thank you. Go over the

[1:06:00] slides. See what you guys want to talk

[1:06:02] about next month. And next month it's

[1:06:03] June 11th

[1:06:05] since we moved it up a week for

[1:06:09] >> June. Did we decide we're not going to

[1:06:11] meet in July?

[1:06:12] >> So we're not meeting in July and

[1:06:13] December.

[1:06:14] >> We will meet in

[1:06:16] >> Thank you.

[1:06:17] >> Are you doing August?

[1:06:18] >> Yeah. I'll have my students come and do

[1:06:21] some stuff that we've been working on.

[1:06:26] » Good to see you.

[1:06:27] >> Yeah. That's

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