[0:00] paying a unionized

[0:04] public staff and right

[0:08] not the best while

[0:12] we were out running

[0:28] » I can't remember what

[0:32] our menu is smaller

[0:34] options.

[0:36] >> Most of them aren't very good.

[0:39] >> Of course, the Supreme Court of

[0:41] Mississippi

[0:48] based upon the fact that you cannot

[0:51] >> you cannot there's not evidence that the

[0:53] owner of the car was the person

[0:55] operating the car.

[0:57] So the reason why

[1:01] state legislator

[1:07] was they started tracking nationally.

[1:09] >> Yeah.

[1:11] >> You can't confront your like rank it by

[1:13] spice level.

[1:16] >> But it's it's it's so weird because like

[1:18] why are traffic laws the only

[1:29] I haven't thought of that. I don't know

[1:30] if that

[1:32] if I if I steal on my taxes or murder my

[1:35] neighbor,

[1:36] >> presumably a cop didn't have to watch it

[1:38] happen in order to be

[1:48] actually Arizona turned off their

[1:50] traffic cameras had. And the reason why

[1:54] was because the data license plates and

[1:58] tracking them was being given by they

[2:00] were using a commercial

[2:03] and the data

[2:07] was tracking.

[2:17] » Yeah, that's not what it was.

[2:33] of course by you can't drive on property

[2:35] without a license

[2:42] in the name of safety and security is

[2:44] what they're justified

[2:50] with

[2:52] like

[2:54] >> recording in progress.

[2:56] >> I'd like to support the small

[2:57] independent restaurant.

[3:05] » I feel like critical public safety.

[4:33] Burgersley,

[4:43] but they have really good

[4:50] GLP. So, like I can't even finish.

[4:57] My big fro.

[5:04] » I think every place sells better pizza

[5:06] if they had more beer.

[5:10] » I wouldn't be doing the beer.

[5:17] » Yeah. It's not It's not what it That's

[5:20] for sure.

[5:21] >> I feel a little meeting at a nursing

[5:23] home.

[5:26] » Yeah.

[5:34] We should all

[5:35] see

[5:42] this.

[5:46] Okay, channel 17, if you're ready,

[5:47] please start recording.

[5:51] >> You.

[5:53] Okay,

[5:55] >> I will first excuse Beth Province. I

[5:58] understand she's attending perhaps the

[6:00] birth of a new grandchild.

[6:02] >> Yeah, her daughter

[6:04] first.

[6:06] >> I will be conducting the meeting today

[6:08] and I'll start with introductions. I'm

[6:10] Noah Gordon, the vice chair and then uh

[6:13] let's actually start with those online

[6:14] and I believe at least there's Kendall.

[6:18] if you want to

[6:20] introduce yourself

[6:24] and give us a tour of your house

[6:27] >> virtually,

[6:31] but you are muted in case you were

[6:32] trying to make a verbal introduction.

[6:40] While she's sorting that out, let's go

[6:42] around the room. Let's start

[6:46] at public works.

[6:48] Candy, public works.

[6:50] >> Development services,

[6:52] team act,

[7:06] » Richard Gentivity.

[7:17] And I'm Khan Shu with the ProA City

[7:19] Public Works.

[7:21] >> And I failed to do the two things that

[7:23] Kayhan asked me to do, which are to

[7:25] state the date, which is Thursday, June

[7:28] 11th, 2026. We started this meeting at

[7:31] 12:30 p.m. It's now 12:32.

[7:34] And um should have asked you each also

[7:37] to state whether you had a conflict or

[7:39] interest, conflict of interest or not

[7:42] with any of the items on the agenda

[7:44] today. So does anyone now that you've

[7:46] already made your introductions any of

[7:48] you have a conflict of interest

[7:52] speak now or have no conflict of

[7:54] interest? Apparently none. Excellent.

[7:57] First item of business is to uh an

[8:01] action item to approve the minutes from

[8:03] the May 21st, 2026 meeting.

[8:07] Anyone like to approve the minutes?

[8:10] Entertaining a motion.

[8:13] I would like to approve the minutes. I

[8:15] read that and I thought they were

[8:16] accurate.

[8:17] >> Excellent. Anyone can second that. That

[8:20] was Greg McLot

[8:27] and a second. So that is all in favor

[8:30] say I.

[8:31] >> I

[8:33] opposed.

[8:36] >> All right. The next item is the east

[8:38] west connectivity discussion and uh are

[8:42] you leading that discussion?

[8:44] >> I I think that uh we'll refresh

[8:46] everybody's memory a little bit but we

[8:48] did give a presentation uh last month.

[8:51] Uh we can quickly go to that and just

[8:56] share a little bit of reminder of what

[8:57] that looked like. But what we ended up

[8:59] doing is uh

[9:03] carrying out the request of the T-MAC to

[9:06] look at East West connectivity, what the

[9:09] general plan uh what the land use plan

[9:12] said, what the transportation master

[9:14] plan said, um what the regional

[9:17] transportation plan said, and what it

[9:19] was drafted at. We just provided all the

[9:22] references to that. And then we looked

[9:25] at um east west connectivity by using um

[9:30] level service analysis from the highway

[9:33] capacity manual for corridor level

[9:35] service. And we looked at volumes along

[9:37] there. And so people kind of get an idea

[9:40] of of where our percentage by segment of

[9:45] uh east west connectivity and what

[9:47] percentage of the capacity is being used

[9:49] for a level of service need. Again, that

[9:52] doesn't mean it's failing by any means.

[9:55] Um, but when you get over that 100% of

[9:59] the level of service D, you start move

[10:01] into that ENF category and you

[10:03] experience uh congestion more

[10:06] frequently. So, we have those up there.

[10:09] We have the plans up there. If you

[10:11] wanted to reference any portion of

[10:13] those, you're we can go to the maps or look at anything. We we did discuss

[10:19] level of service. I believe Greg and I

[10:21] had a good discussion on that and um

[10:26] pointed out a few things about what that

[10:28] means and what it doesn't mean. I think

[10:30] that was healthy as well. So, right now

[10:34] it's we we talked about some of the

[10:36] barriers. Uh we know that the railroad

[10:38] tracks, the railroad corridor, the I-15

[10:41] corridor, even the Provo River, which is

[10:44] great, um is also a barrier to east west

[10:49] transportation and mobility and

[10:51] connectivity. And so we kind of just

[10:56] then also talked about some of the the

[10:58] progress we have made over the years,

[11:01] couple decades of providing additional

[11:04] connectivity

[11:06] uh with the construction planning and

[11:08] construction of Lake View Parkway. um

[11:12] the 500 West underpass at I-15

[11:15] and then also the connectivity that uh

[11:18] we have at 920

[11:21] 820 north and uh up at 2000. That's about it. Some of those

[11:27] connections. So hopefully that

[11:30] summarizes what we've talked about and

[11:32] now we get to hear and discuss what our

[11:37] concerns are about east west

[11:39] connectivity and how to try to attempt

[11:41] to solve some of those east west

[11:43] connectivity mobility challenges.

[11:51] You go to one of the maps.

[11:53] >> Yeah,

[11:59] » we started from north to south, I think

[12:01] I did, and started on the north end of

[12:04] Provo and worked our way down south. So,

[12:06] whatever map you're wanting, it should

[12:09] be in here.

[12:18] you want to go to?

[12:18] >> Well, I just I wanted to see things sort

[12:20] of in context.

[12:21] >> Okay.

[12:23] >> Um,

[12:26] one of one of the frustrating

[12:27] discussions, one of the frustrating

[12:29] elements of this East West connectivity

[12:31] discussion is people say Provo lacks

[12:34] east west connectivity

[12:36] and every person who says that means

[12:38] something different, right? And this is kind of where I I think I wanted

[12:44] to have these conversations in this way,

[12:46] right? There is there's the barrier of

[12:48] I-15, the railroad there. There's the

[12:51] barrier of the Provo River, which is

[12:53] sort of coincidental to that in much of

[12:55] the city. And then there's the barrier

[12:57] of BYU and the fact that we lose the

[13:00] grid system north of Cougar and like all

[13:02] those other things that that that happen

[13:05] north of Cougar and south of 600. Um,

[13:08] and that all of those

[13:12] are things that people can mean when

[13:14] they talk about east west connectivity.

[13:16] Um, so I guess I'm I'm curious what

[13:21] I think when when you ask people in the

[13:23] tree streets where I grew up or know

[13:26] Edgemont or neighborhoods going north,

[13:28] you know, they're they're frustrated by

[13:30] how long it takes to get across

[13:32] University Avenue into ORM or around

[13:35] BYU. When you talk to people west of the

[13:38] freeway, they're frustrated by how long

[13:41] it takes them to get across the freeway

[13:43] into Provo.

[13:45] Um, and I guess I'm I'm curious, do you

[13:47] have

[13:50] like

[13:51] OD data? Can you get OD data? Is there

[13:54] survey data that that can inform

[13:57] obviously not this discussion today, but

[14:00] the discussion that we may have over the

[14:02] next couple months, right? like when

[14:05] >> can we classify this this question of

[14:08] east west connectivity by neighborhood

[14:10] because it's probably different in every

[14:11] neighborhood.

[14:12] >> Yeah, you're really talking geography

[14:13] the way you explained what people's

[14:16] difference opinions may be.

[14:19] >> Um

[14:20] when it comes to origin and destination

[14:22] data, we can take a look at that. Um

[14:26] I'll have to work with MAC to do so. Um

[14:31] or I would have to hire a consultant to take a look at those OD datas by by

[14:37] traffic analysis zone. But I I think we

[14:39] could get back to help me out there a

[14:41] little bit and maybe assemble some

[14:44] houses and take a look at where people

[14:47] are going within Provo. I think that

[14:49] would be very helpful to see where

[14:52] people within Provo are traveling to and

[14:54] from. So I can try to work on that for

[14:58] the month of Well, you're presenting in

[15:00] August, right?

[15:00] >> I'm presenting in August and I will

[15:02] present some of that, but it's not real

[15:03] data. It's just model behavior. It's

[15:05] sort of like point of interest type

[15:07] thing. So it would be good to have that

[15:09] as well.

[15:10] >> I'm sure I'm sure Mag would be happy to

[15:12] just give you a trip table from their

[15:13] model run.

[15:14] >> Yeah, let let's let's see what we can

[15:16] find there. I just when we do O andd

[15:19] data origin and destination data it's

[15:23] really important to show that visually

[15:26] most people won't understand right

[15:28] >> so we want to be able to show that

[15:30] visually and and I've created some maps

[15:33] 20 plus years ago in which um

[15:38] which does work very well at showing

[15:40] those so let me see if I can

[15:42] >> well when we had the presentation by Mac

[15:44] earlier in the here. He showed you know

[15:47] effectively districtto district OD

[15:51] tables

[15:52] but they had internal provo trips

[15:54] removed from them. Right. And that was

[15:57] all countywide.

[15:58] >> That's right.

[15:59] >> Right.

[15:59] >> But it it'd be cool to see like okay for

[16:02] each of these, you know, seven or eight

[16:04] districts in Provo,

[16:06] where do the trips that originate there

[16:08] go to? Right.

[16:09] >> Let's see what I can do. Very good

[16:12] point.

[16:13] Why don't you start with one and talk

[16:14] about center street?

[16:16] >> Easy one to talk about. It's the heart

[16:19] right into the Provo, right?

[16:22] >> Transportation street.

[16:23] >> Did you recognize that they did a

[16:26] terrible terrible thing?

[16:29] >> Right.

[16:30] >> They they get told that quite often?

[16:33] >> Like I mean is the accident rate for

[16:35] that one higher than other designed

[16:37] interchanges?

[16:38] >> Oh yes. without quantifiable data that

[16:41] >> in the two years after it opened, it was

[16:43] the deadliest interstate interchange in

[16:45] the state.

[16:46] >> It's also the hot spot for accidents in

[16:48] Provo, right? Isn't it?

[16:49] >> It is. It is.

[16:51] >> It has gone the number of fatal crashes

[16:52] has gone down a lot since they did make

[16:54] a couple of improvements.

[16:55] >> Yeah, they made those lights advanced

[16:58] warning lights,

[16:58] >> but it's still not where they wanted.

[17:00] And I it's actually a very good teaching

[17:03] example for me.

[17:07] I wonder like I lived in I lived in

[17:09] South East Provo and

[17:13] I was on that road all the time. It's a

[17:15] freeway, right? And I wonder like we

[17:19] it's the worst freeway access road. No

[17:21] one should be going on a 15 mile road

[17:23] downtown

[17:25] way ever. Like it's terrible.

[17:28] And I think we need to, you know,

[17:32] maybe we'll do a plaza there someday.

[17:33] You know, who knows what'll happen with

[17:34] Center Street, but it'll be improved on.

[17:36] But I feel like we need to make a We do

[17:39] need a commuting road. You need a

[17:40] freeway road. You need something that's

[17:42] quick for all of

[17:45] the east side and west side to get over

[17:47] to freeway.

[17:50] But it seems like we should be having a

[17:52] very concerted effort to make 100 or

[17:54] 200, I would assume it would be 100, but

[17:56] I don't know, the road like signage. And

[17:59] it should be set up that way. And it

[18:01] should be a really good turn into the

[18:03] freeway where you know two lanes are

[18:04] going right to the those lights are all

[18:07] set up so when you start going over C

[18:09] street you're right onto the freeway

[18:11] could be set up as a freeway road a

[18:15] muting road. I'm wondering what is that

[18:19] what could be done there? Is that

[18:20] something that is done or

[18:23] >> um really good point. First North is a

[18:25] fourlane facility. um five if you count

[18:29] the center turn lane. And with that, we

[18:32] have it signed uh posted speed limits

[18:35] 35. It's larger than it's higher than

[18:38] any of our other downtown roads that are

[18:41] Provo Cities. Um we do try to funnel

[18:46] people uh to First North. We all know

[18:49] that the

[18:50] >> How do we fun them? Well, that heavy

[18:54] left turn from from

[18:58] Yeah. 500 from Center Street is the and

[19:02] we've implemented

[19:05] um a slower speed limit on Center Street

[19:08] at 15 miles an hour. We've in

[19:11] implemented raised crosswalks to remind

[19:14] people that it's more of a

[19:15] pedestrianoriented facility even though

[19:18] we still have 20,000 vehicles on that

[19:21] road. But like could we do sign that

[19:22] said you know for I5 and put it on 100

[19:24] coming off university to turn right.

[19:26] >> I think the challenge is not just

[19:29] leaving Provo going to the freeway but

[19:33] like a lot of the trips and this is

[19:34] where the OD analysis would be helpful.

[19:36] I think a lot of the trips are using

[19:38] center street are coming from further

[19:39] east than University Avenue. 100 North

[19:42] is a great facility between 500 and

[19:44] University and then it becomes a

[19:46] residential street east of University

[19:49] >> and in fact it ends at Provo Peaks and

[19:52] so it doesn't go past 600 East and so

[19:55] that that means its utility as as a as a

[19:59] road to get to BYU for instance or even

[20:02] to the State Hospital or any of the

[20:04] neighborhoods east of downtown is pretty

[20:06] limited. And and my suspicion is that a

[20:09] lot of the people who continue to use

[20:10] Center Street are going somewhere east

[20:14] of east of University

[20:17] or 100 doesn't go and 200 doesn't go

[20:21] either. And and really like the next

[20:23] street that does is fifth.

[20:25] >> So is there it only gets to 70s

[20:28] >> and that only gets to 70s. That's right.

[20:30] Is there a way to make it like like we

[20:32] make a plan and make it usable and make

[20:33] it the best way to go and make it

[20:37] >> it would require changing the

[20:39] neighborhood east of University pretty

[20:42] substantially.

[20:43] So I think I think it would be

[20:47] there would be political challenges with

[20:49] that as like with any of these that

[20:51] we're talking about.

[20:52] >> Yes, that would be.

[20:53] >> Yeah. Sorry. You live on that street.

[20:57] Sorry.

[20:59] So, this is going to appear that I have

[21:01] a conflict of interest because it would

[21:03] be to my advantage if all that traffic

[21:04] went past my store on the corner of

[21:06] South at 500 West.

[21:09] >> But I've I've often wondered because

[21:10] Third South is

[21:13] if it were, you know, at Center Street

[21:16] would be the obvious choice for getting

[21:19] through that part of downtown, but it's

[21:21] three blocks south. And I wonder why in

[21:23] all the discussions, why do we keep

[21:25] talking about First North? U DOT's

[21:27] already got this road. It's a highway.

[21:29] It goes all the way to 900 East. Um, why

[21:33] aren't we shunning traffic that way? Is

[21:35] it Is it Is it the people that are using

[21:37] that road don't want to? It's too far

[21:38] out of the way from the direction

[21:40] they're headed.

[21:42] >> I think they're trying to go to

[21:43] northeast Provo.

[21:46] >> Three blocks to the south. That saves

[21:48] you five minutes.

[21:51] » Well, it could center street

[21:55] energy like above you. Well, and but you

[21:57] see that too because there's you've got

[21:58] the double left turn lanes going from

[22:01] fifth west northbound onto center street

[22:03] and that cues very long every all the

[22:05] time also. So there are people using

[22:07] that for that.

[22:11] » Uh it's it's really unfortunate that

[22:15] roads are laid out the way they are.

[22:19] I I think I think a lot of people would

[22:22] say we are forced to have the roads laid

[22:24] out the way we are if you grew up back

[22:27] east somewhere where there you know it's

[22:30] not a non-grid pattern right um back to

[22:34] the interchange the interchange um just

[22:38] so everybody's aware 2028 I think

[22:41] they're slated to do that southbound

[22:43] ramp and remove the

[22:46] >> the hill if you will. Yeah. So, the

[22:49] southbound off-ramp on I-15 at Center

[22:52] Street interchange will be under

[22:54] construction that will likely take

[22:57] >> Are they going to redo the whole

[22:58] interchange?

[22:58] >> No, no, just the ramp. Just the

[23:00] southbound ramp and it will take like

[23:04] two months and it will be painful.

[23:06] >> When you say southbound ramp, then

[23:08] you're not talking about the ramp to

[23:10] Salt Lake. You're talking about like

[23:12] coming off.

[23:14] >> Yeah. Southbound off ramp. Instead of

[23:16] waiting at that traffic light

[23:18] >> when you come off southbound, you wait

[23:20] at that traffic light and then go up the

[23:22] hill and around. They're going to be

[23:23] able to fly over over that. So that's

[23:27] that will no longer have a traffic light

[23:28] there for that movement.

[23:32] » That's the most dangerous part.

[23:34] >> That is the most dangerous current part.

[23:36] >> You have that emergency.

[23:38] >> Well, yeah. You you've got the the

[23:40] people going southbound on I-15 from

[23:42] eastbound center street who have to come

[23:45] over and then do the weave looking over

[23:47] their back shoulder. This is the kind of

[23:50] thing that should have been identified

[23:52] in the design stage and I can't believe

[23:55] it was not.

[23:57] >> This is southbound ramp right here

[23:59] coming off the interstate.

[24:02] Um this was the big crash area people

[24:06] come on. There's a little bit of a rise

[24:08] or a heel here. They've come in. They

[24:10] had a lot of rear end crashes with

[24:12] traffic at the stopped at the signal.

[24:15] They've since put advanced uh yellow

[24:17] flashing lights to warn people that

[24:19] traffic is backed up, but then you got

[24:23] this whole mess, right? You get anyway.

[24:26] Um, so we know that that's U DOT. Um,

[24:31] years ago we explored the possibility of

[24:33] one-way couplets, but once the Center

[24:36] Street Temple was announced or the

[24:38] downtown temple was announced, the

[24:41] council, they knew what they were doing.

[24:43] We made it perfectly clear that we'll

[24:46] forever lose the possibility of oneway

[24:48] couplets on first south and first

[24:51] >> be 100 north, westbound only, street

[24:54] eastbound only.

[24:55] >> Yeah. But every a lot of cities have

[24:57] done that and most of the cities that

[25:00] have done it are trying to undo them.

[25:02] >> I love when Colorado's a prime example.

[25:05] >> I hate it.

[25:06] >> Yeah. Raleigh has like three sets of

[25:09] one-way couplets through the middle of

[25:12] >> And why are they trying to under?

[25:13] >> Because it it turns your center into a

[25:16] basically a freeway

[25:17] >> throughway instead and all the

[25:19] businesses die.

[25:25] Yeah, better.

[25:27] >> But that's right. They they they get

[25:29] people through the city so they don't

[25:31] actually like stop and buy things.

[25:34] >> I thought the problem is downtown want

[25:37] it to be a still area where people go

[25:38] and stop.

[25:46] » Well, I'm glad to hear that they plan to

[25:49] make

[25:55] I'm also

[25:58] » Yeah. Center Street from the interstate,

[26:01] well, all the way from Ste Road went um

[26:05] all the way to the state hospital

[26:08] >> and it was a state route then. Even

[26:10] Ninth East was a former state route at

[26:13] one time. And so, uh now their state

[26:17] route ends at Fifth West. We own it,

[26:22] maintain it, anything east of fiscal

[26:27] » because when you're talking about that

[26:29] east connect city crossingway

[26:32] center, it's also just terrible because

[26:34] of the way the interchange is designed

[26:37] on a bicycle.

[26:39] >> I don't know that this proposed change

[26:41] helps with that at all.

[26:43] >> It will not. No.

[26:44] >> Yeah.

[26:46] I mean it will it will remove some of

[26:48] the conflicts

[26:50] >> right

[26:51] >> uh and it will make that light we could

[26:53] time it so that it's not prioritizing

[26:56] that outbound off ramp movement so it

[27:00] will become marginally better but not

[27:02] potentially so

[27:15] Yeah, I'm not sure there's any one

[27:17] silver bullet or any um easy lowhanging

[27:22] fruit on center street. I will say I

[27:24] will say like we mentioned this in the

[27:27] meeting last time the the constraints

[27:29] that the UD do engineers and their

[27:31] consultants were working on with this

[27:33] project from my understanding I was not

[27:34] around for it then um the design that

[27:37] they came up with was done in a manner

[27:40] that number one would keep the center

[27:42] street interchange open through the

[27:44] construction uh because that was the

[27:46] expressed desire of the city council.

[27:48] They couldn't build the new interchange

[27:50] where the old interchange was and keep

[27:51] it open. shortsighted.

[27:53] >> It was It was shortsighted. The other

[27:55] constraint that they were working with

[27:56] is that this design actually does

[27:58] maximize the amount of developable area

[28:02] in and around that. Like there's more

[28:05] acres of land that could be developed

[28:07] there between the the the railway and

[28:10] the road, but that development hasn't

[28:14] >> happened.

[28:15] >> Uh because I don't think a lot of

[28:16] businesses want to site themselves

[28:18] there. Um so, but those were the

[28:21] constraints that they worked with. they

[28:22] were imposed on them by the city council

[28:23] and that was um why at least part of why

[28:27] we got what we did.

[28:28] >> The purpose and need statement that

[28:30] Greg's talking about was to provide

[28:32] access to Draper Lane and that's this

[28:36] right here. And um

[28:39] I've always stressed the importance of

[28:41] the purpose and need statement. Be

[28:42] careful what you put in the purpose and

[28:44] need statement because you'll get what

[28:47] you're supposed to get. And um that was

[28:50] unfortunate. Um, car dealers don't want

[28:54] to locate there. It was,

[28:57] you know, there's such thing as being

[28:58] too close and that's too familiar. Too

[29:01] close. Um,

[29:03] >> but honestly, if we had if we had a

[29:04] bunch of businesses there with a bunch

[29:06] of traffic, the interchange wouldn't

[29:07] work either. Like the traffic the

[29:09] traffic patterns can't support that.

[29:10] >> It's it's selling now. And the other

[29:12] reason is the third reason that they

[29:15] also put in was that um they did this

[29:19] less expensive

[29:21] uh they could extend the freeway

[29:23] development all the way one lane in each

[29:25] direction to Spanish board which they

[29:27] did and so they were able under a design

[29:31] build scenario say we'll give you this

[29:36] we this is what we can do in addition

[29:38] for you but we can't do this buoy or we

[29:41] can't do whatever was going to be here

[29:43] at center.

[29:50] Uh, one thing they are getting ready to

[29:52] do is, uh, with the development of the

[29:55] apartment complex here, um, this will be

[29:59] a threelane crosssection from 1600 West

[30:01] over to 2050, which is Geneva Road. That

[30:05] should be restriped this summer. And uh

[30:07] we've had a lot of rear end collisions

[30:10] and this segment from here to here is

[30:12] way over capacity. It's it's over.

[30:15] >> Can you zoom in? What is that what is

[30:17] that striped at now? Is it just two

[30:18] lanes?

[30:18] >> It's a two laner uh for the most part.

[30:22] >> Okay.

[30:24] >> You're in a middle lane.

[30:26] >> Yeah, we'll have a center turn lane. U

[30:28] will have to restripe that in

[30:29] cooperation with the apartment complex

[30:32] that's having the impact. Uh just well

[30:35] this is state route 114. Geneva Road and

[30:38] Center Straight are State Route 114. But

[30:40] just from here to here,

[30:44] those four blocks

[30:45] >> that'll help as people, you know, stop

[30:46] to turn left into the neighborhood or

[30:48] driveway.

[30:50] >> Th this neighborhood for years have

[30:52] expressed concerns. Um, and then I think

[30:56] some of the area here too, but

[30:58] especially this neighborhood.

[31:05] » You need to rewrite it, but are we

[31:06] taking an easement?

[31:08] >> They are. Well, we had a little bit of

[31:10] uh improvement done along this portion

[31:12] of it with the the new apartment

[31:15] complex, but it's a restriping project.

[31:24] Uh

[31:26] Smith Smith did own that. Yeah, they

[31:28] used to own that. That was the Smith

[31:30] property.

[31:32] >> And then the Cox family I I should say

[31:36] the Cox family owned it. Smith had a

[31:38] right of refusal for a very long time.

[31:46] So Center Street, you know, we're we're

[31:50] seeing a lot of traffic still. um making

[31:53] that left at 9th. Um but they have to go

[31:56] through know downtown to do it.

[32:01] Can

[32:01] >> we talk about 807

[32:04] like because 7th goes all the way from

[32:06] the mountain to freedom and 8 goes all

[32:10] the way from Provo High effectively to

[32:13] there's a talk at Geneva

[32:16] from 8th to 7th. But one of you want to

[32:19] talk so 800 north. Okay.

[32:22] um you know it it crosses the freeway

[32:25] and the river um it doesn't have a

[32:27] really good termination at Geneva like

[32:30] you you could punch that through and

[32:31] then get over to

[32:34] uh you know I say punch it through just

[32:35] destroy 10 houses um but you know it it

[32:38] could connect there's a there's a east

[32:41] west connection to be made there at that

[32:44] point and then there's also if you go

[32:47] further to the east around freedom or

[32:50] university

[32:52] you know, 800 North goes from being a

[32:55] fairly, you know, sort of arterial

[32:57] street to a residential street, but 700

[33:01] picks up as the arterial going across or

[33:04] at least the collector. And it seems

[33:06] like some kind of project or procedure

[33:10] that would link those two would provide

[33:13] a lot of east west connection. Uh

[33:16] because you see a lot of people who will

[33:18] turn right on freedom from seventh or

[33:21] turn right on University from seventh

[33:23] and then turn left on eight.

[33:25] >> Why did BRT get put on seven? It was our

[33:28] good arter. It was our good movement

[33:30] road.

[33:31] >> Well, the BRT hasn't really reduced the

[33:33] capacity of that RI that much.

[33:36] >> It's cut a lot of the cross.

[33:38] >> It's lost the cross connectivity.

[33:41] A lot of north south. It's very very

[33:43] irritating for all the east side

[33:44] residents.

[33:45] >> But I'm wondering why it was why wasn't

[33:47] it put on AIDS?

[33:48] >> I I wasn't here. I I've always told UTA

[33:51] and in fact with our meetings with UTA

[33:53] we we've thought about hey as you look

[33:56] at your long range plan about moving

[33:58] that to 8th

[33:59] >> I think a game changer

[34:01] >> would be

[34:04] >> Oh yeah.

[34:08] Not enough but like I mean traffic goes

[34:11] pretty well

[34:13] that in part because with the busing and

[34:17] the lack of north south means traffic is

[34:21] >> Yeah. But you just lose some of the

[34:22] people who would use it for to get to

[34:24] work because they can't get there. Yeah.

[34:27] >> But I'm wondering like what I'm I'm

[34:29] frustrated that the new Provo Power

[34:31] building was located exactly where it

[34:33] was because there's a lot of empty sight

[34:35] empty space on that site.

[34:37] could have become an S-curve of some

[34:40] kind of to

[34:42] >> like here.

[34:43] >> Yeah.

[34:43] >> Well, we the power department's been for

[34:48] 100 years probably.

[34:49] >> I know been around for 40 of them. Uh

[34:52] >> when they rebuilt the building they

[34:54] could have considered this. That's

[34:56] exactly what I'm saying.

[34:56] >> The smoke stack is no longer there,

[34:58] right? Right. There's not. Yeah. But

[35:00] like is is there something else we could

[35:02] consider in you know that fourb block

[35:04] segment

[35:06] or working with signal timing or

[35:08] whatever to link up those two east west

[35:11] roads.

[35:11] >> Yeah. Like is it a thing I don't is it a

[35:13] thing to make it where

[35:15] >> this happens seamlessly like that this

[35:17] life this life that's like that that

[35:19] becomes an easier and obvious thing

[35:22] >> kind of kind of similar to what was

[35:25] discussed here is some type of direct

[35:27] connection

[35:28] uh to first um yeah and I think Greg's

[35:33] talking about the same thing that it

[35:35] would have been advantageous to do

[35:37] something like this connecting that Um

[35:44] >> yeah,

[35:48] it would like the challenge with doing

[35:50] that of course is when you have these

[35:52] high volume through streets like 500

[35:55] West or Freedom or University doing that

[35:58] timing would interfere with those

[36:00] through operations. There are way more

[36:01] people. This is something that often

[36:04] gets lost in the east west connectivity

[36:06] discussion is that 90% of trips in the

[36:08] Wasatch front are north south trips.

[36:10] They like so all of these

[36:13] >> are they?

[36:14] >> Yeah. Oh yeah.

[36:14] >> In Provo. The city of Provo.

[36:16] >> Well, that's why I want to see the Provo

[36:18] data.

[36:18] >> I would say it's not in the city of

[36:19] Provo.

[36:20] >> But I think a lot of the people who are

[36:22] who complain about east west connections

[36:24] are trying to get to the freeway so that

[36:25] they

[36:26] >> the freeway. They're trying to get to

[36:27] Orum.

[36:27] >> Yeah. So that they can go north.

[36:30] >> Um where what road is it that dead ends

[36:34] into the colony?

[36:36] >> 500. 500. We do have that on our master

[36:40] plan.

[36:40] >> He is willing to do something there.

[36:44] >> So, as we look at 500, we do have that

[36:47] proposed to connect to four.

[36:49] >> Does he own everything to 9 or is there

[36:52] another?

[36:52] >> No, there's a row of homes here that we

[36:55] would have there. There's four homes at

[36:59] least.

[36:59] >> I think he owns them all.

[37:02] He owns the colony homes.

[37:03] >> He owns the colony, but I don't think he

[37:06] owns the two homes that we need here and

[37:08] here.

[37:09] >> Then Mr. Pay owns the

[37:12] >> So is that all the just that pay family?

[37:15] That is the most underutilized

[37:17] thing right there.

[37:18] >> Yeah. Not not efficient land use. So

[37:21] connecting that 450 and and connecting

[37:24] that through to 500. So that is on

[37:28] the uh transportation master plan and it

[37:32] is now on um the MAG plan if I remember

[37:37] correctly. And I don't see why we

[37:40] couldn't use corridor preservation funds

[37:42] for purchase of these facilities here.

[37:45] At least that's what I'm trying to get

[37:47] on there.

[37:50] >> The current transportation master plan

[37:51] fund is 2020. analysis probably done

[37:54] starting in 2017 or 18.

[37:56] >> Yep.

[37:59] » Uh we talked about that. Uh we are

[38:02] averaging 11 years for every update to

[38:05] our transportation master plan.

[38:08] So I'm figuring the next one would be

[38:10] adopted around 2030 2031

[38:13] uh with with project starting in 2029.

[38:29] Can I ask a question? What about 2200

[38:32] West? Is that going to be expanded or

[38:38] >> not?

[38:39] >> 2200 West where 9 east curves around at

[38:42] the temple in the MTC

[38:46] >> 2200 north

[38:47] >> or 2200 sorry north.

[38:51] listen to my listen to my brain, not to

[38:54] my mouth. Um, but that to me is a huge

[38:57] problem on the east west connectivity

[38:59] coming home and going out because I I

[39:02] live in the tree streets. I'm constantly

[39:04] combating BYU traffic to come up and

[39:08] through university to get to 9 days. So

[39:11] now I've trained myself to go up and

[39:13] around that way and it's a nightmare.

[39:18] Yeah, it is on Provo City's

[39:20] transportation master plan, Kendall, and

[39:22] it's also on Mountainland Association,

[39:25] the government's regional transportation

[39:28] plan as well. Um, our current

[39:31] administration is against widening that

[39:33] road through there. It is a about a five

[39:36] block bottleneck that runs from Stadium

[39:39] Avenue on 9 east over to about Canyon

[39:42] Road. Mhm.

[39:43] >> Um, we've been working, Richard Jensen,

[39:46] who's sitting behind me, has a home on

[39:49] the north side of that street, and we've

[39:50] been working with the neighborhood now

[39:52] for year, year and a half,

[39:56] at least a year and a half, maybe more.

[39:58] Uh, we've been working with them to do

[40:00] some safety improvements on that

[40:02] corridor. The transportation master plan

[40:04] identifies safety and capacity

[40:07] improvements on that segment. Uh so we

[40:11] tackled the safety problems or safety

[40:13] improvements and we're in the heart of

[40:16] doing some of those. Now uh I just

[40:19] Richard knowledge which one of the

[40:21] things is that they've got this merge

[40:23] right here and we did the study on the

[40:26] merge and the merge is not correct. Um

[40:28] so we're working on doing some new

[40:31] signage and striping for that merge.

[40:33] submerge

[40:34] >> going eastbound.

[40:36] >> Eastbound, you're on 2200 north and

[40:39] you're going eastbound through here and

[40:41] we hit some sideswipes there and anyway,

[40:44] so we're going to be restriping that.

[40:46] Um, also in advance of 2200, Richard and

[40:50] the neighborhood been working on

[40:52] vegetation cleanup. In fact, they just

[40:54] had a recent vegetation cleanup day

[40:56] where the entire neighborhood uh came

[40:59] out and hauled away a lot of vegetation

[41:02] and tree branches. Is that right,

[41:04] Richard?

[41:05] >> Yeah.

[41:07] >> All three of

[41:10] wasn't a big uh wasn't a big project.

[41:13] Okay. So, anyway, we have some things

[41:15] that we're doing on 2200, but we're

[41:18] trying to tackle the safety problems

[41:20] first. Uh we have applied per mag uh to

[41:24] do a connection project here at uh

[41:29] 250 I believe it's 250 anyway right here

[41:33] um and put a traffic signal here

[41:36] >> like what how it'll be gone what

[41:38] >> uh that would be

[41:40] uh the MAG money would come available

[41:42] 2030 2031

[41:44] >> um but it doesn't look like we're going

[41:46] to get funded on that project um so that

[41:50] you have have to be something that we'll

[41:51] approach the city council on and ask um

[41:55] for

[41:56] annual capital facilities to improve.

[42:00] >> Did m give anything on why

[42:03] >> uh it it didn't rank high enough on the

[42:06] list. It's not final yet. Uh we go

[42:08] before the board on in August, but it

[42:12] did not.

[42:12] >> Is that the new standard of numbers that

[42:14] they

[42:15] >> Yeah.

[42:19] So Kendall back to your question report

[42:21] that Matt that burn cried in the last

[42:24] maging

[42:27] couple of projects for prohib.

[42:30] >> Yeah.

[42:31] >> It was not a pretty site.

[42:32] >> It wasn't pretty.

[42:34] >> We're glad.

[42:36] >> Yeah. Uh so Kendall to get back to your

[42:39] point it is in our plan to widen this to

[42:42] reduce the bottleneck and go to a full

[42:46] uh four-lane crosssection that connects

[42:48] 9th with 2200 over at Canyon.

[42:52] >> Can I ask why the current administration

[42:55] why they're opposed to it?

[42:58] Well, we got a lot of houses on the here

[43:01] and it really would impact the

[43:03] neighborhood and I mean there's a lot of

[43:05] reasons

[43:07] and on both sides of the issue.

[43:10] >> Um I can I can argue both sides.

[43:13] >> Yeah.

[43:13] >> Which again

[43:14] >> it's worth it's worth underlining that

[43:18] the neighborhood there

[43:20] is not interested in that widening and

[43:23] you can imagine why.

[43:25] >> Yeah. Um, I I think that to do the road,

[43:29] you know, up to modern safety standards,

[43:32] the city, if they were going to widen

[43:34] it, should acquire all homes on both

[43:36] sides of the road and knock them all

[43:38] down.

[43:40] I I think trying

[43:42] >> I'm sorry.

[43:44] >> I think that I think it's inappropriate

[43:46] to have driveways open up onto a

[43:48] fivelane street.

[43:49] >> Would you put things on? Once you put

[43:52] like the

[43:54] >> but they don't open up on wood,

[43:56] >> but that's that's a wider road, right?

[43:57] And so you're you're you're taking away

[43:59] everybody's front yards on both sides.

[44:01] >> Well, it's way less than

[44:04] >> So So you you'd be weighing the the

[44:06] benefits to some people against the very

[44:09] real harms to others. And that's a tough

[44:13] decision. And it's not critical. I don't

[44:15] think at this moment.

[44:17] >> It's a it's a tough decision. It can be

[44:19] designed where we don't have to take the

[44:22] homes on the south side and provide a

[44:25] one-way road for them where they can

[44:28] connect without having to back out onto

[44:32] a fivelane facility. Um, these lots are

[44:35] pretty deep along here on the north

[44:38] side. We've acquired three or four of

[44:40] them now. Um, and we have

[44:45] >> a Thank you, Richard. Yeah, with I I for

[44:48] keep forgiving this one right here that

[44:50] we just purchased.

[44:52] >> Which houses are purchased?

[44:53] >> This one here over on this corner. And

[44:56] then we own this one, this one, and this

[44:58] one. Then I think we have one more in

[45:00] here somewhere. Um, right in here

[45:04] somewhere.

[45:05] >> Did

[45:05] >> close to Richard. Didn't someone else

[45:07] just want to sell and we didn't get it

[45:08] or was that just

[45:09] >> No, that there's a couple people that we

[45:12] that was that particular one happened to

[45:14] be on 800 North. Uh but we turned down a

[45:18] couple of other people uh on 2230.

[45:22] >> Okay.

[45:24] >> So, I think someday it may happen. Um I

[45:29] don't think it's going to be widened in

[45:31] my career, but what I do hope to do

[45:34] >> not allowed to retire.

[45:36] What I would like to do, put a traffic

[45:38] signal right here, bring this road to a

[45:41] four-way intersection. Um, have a drop

[45:44] lane as opposed to a merge lane. Um,

[45:47] that would, in my opinion, provide a

[45:51] little bit more safety for the

[45:53] neighborhood.

[45:53] >> Drop lane. Merge lane.

[45:54] >> Uh, so we get rid of the merge lane,

[45:56] which a merge lane has to come over to

[45:58] the through movement. Drop lane is you

[46:02] get in the right lane and you have to

[46:04] make a right-hand turn.

[46:06] >> Okay.

[46:06] >> The idea to stop and wait to get over.

[46:09] >> You don't have to stop.

[46:12] >> You're just forced to make right the

[46:14] inter.

[46:22] Did we notice that the what was a drop

[46:26] lane southbound on Canyon Road crossing

[46:29] 2200

[46:31] >> that's been painted over

[46:34] >> is that um so one southbound we got a

[46:39] lot of complaints

[46:40] um we started taking a look at that so

[46:43] now we make a right through movement so

[46:45] you can go because we have a receiving

[46:47] lane on the other side so that now has

[46:49] been restriped to be a right turn or cut

[46:52] through movement.

[46:53] >> So it's in

[46:54] >> it is confusing though right now because

[46:57] there's a lot of tar and stuff on the

[46:58] road for previous work. So it's very mum

[47:01] >> and the arrow is taken out but the way

[47:03] the striping is set up so that it would

[47:05] be the drop lane is still there.

[47:07] >> It's not is the arrow not been

[47:09] repainted.

[47:10] >> The arrow has been repainted but the

[47:12] white stripe that goes up to it.

[47:14] >> So instead of it being broken white,

[47:17] >> it has this solid white because it was a

[47:19] turn. That hasn't been changed. We might

[47:22] we we plan on doing this intersection

[47:25] right here this summer. Um and so maybe

[47:29] I can get the guys to come down here and do that.

[47:34] >> Yeah. So we're going to we're going to

[47:36] be improving this intersection at Temp

[47:40] Drive and Canyon Road or Tempview Drive

[47:43] and 2200 North. Anybody try to make a

[47:46] right turn there with another car

[47:48] waiting for the through movement? It's a

[47:50] very narrow 8 foot right turn lane. It

[47:53] doesn't work. We're going to restripe

[47:55] this this summer, right, David? And u

[47:59] evenings or

[48:00] >> uh No, we're just going to shift

[48:02] everything over to the south. We have

[48:04] room to do that. And so we're going to

[48:06] do that one and then I'm glad David's

[48:09] here. And then maybe we can get down

[48:11] here and fix that too. I know what

[48:12] you're talking about.

[48:13] >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I'm acutely aware

[48:17] of that because that's my route for

[48:20] writing home.

[48:22] And so when it was the drop lane, it was

[48:23] actually really nice for me because then

[48:25] I would be there and I could kind of be

[48:27] in the middle of the lane, people could

[48:28] turn right me, but now that it's

[48:31] changed, there's not a great place for

[48:33] the bike to be because most people are

[48:34] still trained, right?

[48:35] >> Yes. And and so we'll we'll do a better

[48:38] striping and get rid of that solid line

[48:40] right there that you're talking about.

[48:42] Um during BYU games, everybody would

[48:45] park in this lane

[48:47] >> and that is no and we've reiterated the

[48:50] signage there and that will be enforced

[48:52] from now on.

[48:53] >> It's also confusing when you have only

[48:57] one through lane but two receiving lanes

[48:59] on the other side like that creates

[49:01] challenges and so I imagine there were

[49:03] people who were trying to go straight.

[49:05] >> They were people were going straight and

[49:07] it would kind of scare the people in the

[49:09] through lane.

[49:14] And the bike doesn't

[49:21] » I do all the time.

[49:22] >> Yeah, you got to crank that wide

[49:24] shoulder to do so.

[49:26] >> It's the best bike facility. It's one of

[49:28] the routes in Straa that you get clocked

[49:30] on. It's good.

[49:35] But that that will make an interest.

[49:48] I'll probably have at least five more

[49:49] minutes of discussion for East West

[49:51] connectivity before we do the brief

[49:54] final reports. Uh Mr. Chair,

[49:57] >> ask about the Center Street light

[49:59] signals.

[50:00] >> Yes. Is there an opportunity there? I

[50:02] drive that and walk it uh daily. I feel

[50:04] like the east wester would be more room

[50:07] to uh

[50:09] with that too. My fear would be traffic

[50:13] coming straight through and there's a

[50:16] lot of pedestri on center street.

[50:19] >> Yeah. Um, biggest complaint I get on

[50:22] Center Street right now is probably due

[50:24] to a little bit of the alternative

[50:28] traffic that we're getting off of

[50:29] University Avenue because of the bridge

[50:31] viuctuct. The biggest thing I'm getting

[50:34] right now is we have no left turn lanes

[50:36] and we don't plan on any left turn

[50:39] lanes. Um, and people want me to take

[50:42] out parking and put in left turn lanes

[50:44] and I'm just can't do that.

[50:46] >> No, no, no, no.

[50:47] >> So, thank you. Right. I You're just

[50:50] going to have to wait to make your left

[50:52] turn lanes. They're

[50:55] I'm trying to remember if we got those

[50:56] coordinated

[50:58] on the center street. We got those

[51:01] coordinated. I

[51:03] >> I don't know.

[51:04] >> I don't remember. We're really stuck

[51:06] between two uni two state routes here

[51:08] between fifth and university. And we

[51:11] have one two just two signals.

[51:15] >> Two signals. Yeah.

[51:16] >> Yeah. Just two signals. So I I don't

[51:18] think they're coordinated in any way,

[51:20] shape, or form because of the university

[51:23] and and state routes.

[51:24] >> Well, you have so much you have so much

[51:25] parking and and other things that

[51:27] coordinating them wouldn't

[51:29] >> create a bunch of benefits.

[51:33] » It would just be if it too coordinated

[51:36] and just through

[51:39] >> would help the traffic.

[51:45] I'd go on the record to say that

[51:46] anything we can do to make Center Street

[51:48] more of a parking lot, pedestrian plaza,

[51:52] make it really a pinch point for

[51:55] particular traffic through downtown.

[51:58] >> We had that when there was only like

[52:03] east

[52:04] and center street, there was only one

[52:07] lane going in

[52:09] for a while. That seemed to help quite a

[52:12] bit.

[52:16] We we were experimenting there a little

[52:18] bit. Yes,

[52:19] >> there were a bunch of experiments that we were we were talking about like

[52:22] back in angle parking. We were talking

[52:24] about

[52:25] >> bicycle lanes between the parking and

[52:27] the sidewalk. We were talking like

[52:29] there's a whole bunch of things that

[52:30] they've done in Salt Lake that we had

[52:32] talked about doing on Center Street or

[52:34] thinking about what this what's the

[52:36] status of those things. Um well, right

[52:38] now we did uh have a conversation uh

[52:43] centered around the budget to put in for

[52:45] a study that would look at utilities as

[52:48] well as block faces here in a new

[52:50] cross-section from basically second east

[52:53] over to Fifth West. And I it just didn't

[52:56] make the priority of the budget. Now, I

[52:58] don't think the budget's been 100%

[53:00] finalized, but it's as close as it's

[53:02] going to get before they pass it. Which

[53:04] one was the best?

[53:07] >> The center street center street study.

[53:09] Yeah, the council said um prioritized

[53:13] economic study for the city and it may

[53:16] be that that economic study will

[53:18] identify

[53:20] street as one of our

[53:24] huge. So,

[53:29] » I I just think that

[53:32] if we're going to do something before

[53:34] the 2034 Olympics where we're able to

[53:36] implement something,

[53:39] the next two years is pretty critical.

[53:42] There is there is a a go nogo. It's kind

[53:45] of like NASA, right?

[53:48] Counting down and say, "Oh, we got a

[53:50] no-go because we found a, you know,

[53:54] error in that. So anyway, I'm just

[53:56] saying the timing situation if the goal,

[53:59] which is still, I'll argue the best

[54:02] downtown in the entire state has the

[54:04] best downtown, main street, center

[54:06] street in the entire state. I can't

[54:08] think of another one that beats this one

[54:10] in the state. Now, there's a couple

[54:12] people that argue with me about Ogden,

[54:14] but

[54:16] >> I like Provo so much better. But anyway,

[54:19] um

[54:21] we we do have a place and I think the

[54:23] future of Center Street is is is to the

[54:27] point where it's it's it's more active

[54:29] transportation. It's maybe one lane of

[54:32] travel and definitely not two in each

[54:34] direction. Um

[54:36] it it needs a facelift because it looks

[54:38] so 1980s

[54:41] >> and this committee has done that. That's

[54:43] a good recommendation

[54:47] problem that I understand is that we

[54:49] shouldn't start implement

[54:56] » the guys are less.

[54:58] >> Yes.

[55:05] » Yeah. the water, the sewer, the storm

[55:07] drain, all the utilities on Center

[55:09] Street are also aging the infrastructure

[55:13] and quite frankly not up to standard

[55:16] size of what we envision um

[55:20] land use changes in the future in

[55:22] downtown

[55:24] >> the previous

[55:26] are really good. We just don't have a

[55:29] way to implement.

[55:34] » No, there there was a um you asked

[55:35] earlier in the meeting about the state

[55:37] of the the Provo City Transportation

[55:39] Plan. I think it, you know, thinking

[55:41] about the Olympics in 2034

[55:44] brings up the idea that we may want to

[55:47] look at that uh long range plan for

[55:50] transportation and see like this that

[55:53] was done without knowing that the

[55:56] Olympics would be coming. And so yeah,

[55:58] if there are things that we would need

[55:59] to do

[56:01] before the Olympics come, it would be

[56:03] good to

[56:05] and maybe do an amendment to it this

[56:08] year or next year.

[56:10] >> I was here for the 2002 Winter Olympics.

[56:14] And here's how that planning works. You

[56:18] plan for it. You plan for it. You're

[56:20] looking at the venues. You know where

[56:21] they're at. You're doing all this

[56:23] planning. And then the Olympic committee

[56:24] comes in and signs their staff to you

[56:29] and they tell you how it's going to

[56:31] work.

[56:33] You don't get much if any say. Um so I

[56:37] suspect that it will work very similar

[56:39] to what we had in 2002.

[56:42] >> No, but like things things like center

[56:44] street like if we have events because

[56:47] they are using the peaks as a venue,

[56:49] right? If we have people in Provo for

[56:51] events, we should ensure that the city's

[56:55] background network can be something that

[56:58] like yeah, the the the Utah the planning

[57:01] committee is going to come in and say

[57:02] run these 500 shuttle buses from Lavel

[57:04] Edwards to the Peak, but uh we we can we

[57:07] can at least make Center Street Pleasant

[57:09] for them.

[57:09] >> No, I I don't disagree. We just adopted

[57:12] the 2000 transportation master plan and

[57:16] had that discussion in there. I do want

[57:19] to point out one east west mobility. The

[57:21] biggest complaint I get in the entire

[57:23] city uh on a U dot road is on University

[57:27] Avenue and Fifth North over by the

[57:29] library. Um just so you know, it's taken

[57:33] a long time convincing UD do is now

[57:36] willing to put in left turn signals

[57:38] here.

[57:39] >> Oh, good.

[57:41] >> Considering or did they pass considering

[57:44] please?

[57:46] They're in the they're in the they're in

[57:48] the you have to phase now. They've been

[57:51] told they have to by their director. Uh

[57:54] so anyway, it took it took doing but

[57:58] we're going to see some type of left

[58:00] turn signal movement on the Fifth North

[58:03] and University

[58:07] » protected. Yes. expected left turn

[58:09] signal because right now if you're lucky

[58:11] to get one two if you break the law

[58:14] >> and get through PMP peak hour

[58:19] turn it back over to you.

[58:20] >> Yeah, we're probably have to stop this

[58:21] discussion on this for now. Um

[58:26] then I'm sure we'll be revisiting that

[58:29] future. I'll go to the engineering

[58:31] project updates.

[58:46] Okay, just wanted to give a quick update

[58:48] on the bridge here. Um, so things are

[58:50] moving along fairly well on the west

[58:55] side. Everything is prepped and ready

[58:56] for asphalt which will be placed on

[58:58] Tuesday and then landscaping will come

[59:00] in shortly after that. So you'll see

[59:02] this west side button up here in the

[59:05] next week and a half. This is a culdeac

[59:07] that we put in

[59:09] um

[59:11] the bridge itself. So you can see here

[59:14] they're prepping this approach slab.

[59:15] They're tight bar today. They'll tie

[59:17] this one in the next couple of days as

[59:19] well. You'll see both of these poured

[59:21] next week and then the bridge parapits

[59:23] and everything on on the deck will then

[59:25] take shape. So, um over the next week

[59:28] we'll be filling and finishing the east

[59:31] side curbon gutter filling the road and

[59:33] then that will receive asphalt the week

[59:35] after. So, as of right now, we're still

[59:38] on track to have this open up um by July

[59:43] 3rd. There will be a couple of things

[59:45] that will remain that need to be done

[59:46] after that. Uh but we'll be able to have

[59:49] traffic back on the road by then. So

[59:54] >> trail won't be open for another month

[59:56] after that. Um because of some of our

[59:58] timelines with the under crossing and

[1:00:00] all the retaining walls mirrorless that

[1:00:03] we're going to have in and paint all

[1:00:04] that has requested to full cure. So they

[1:00:07] need about a month for all that concrete

[1:00:09] to set up fully. And so they'll start

[1:00:12] painting um the end of this month on the

[1:00:14] 28th and there'll be about three and a

[1:00:16] half weeks of painting.

[1:00:18] >> What are you going to do for traffic

[1:00:20] management that the trail

[1:00:22] >> will open back up?

[1:00:23] >> We'll continue to have our detour. Um

[1:00:27] yeah, we'll have to face that.

[1:00:29] >> We'll have a detour somehow. Are are we

[1:00:33] gonna

[1:00:34] It would be a mistake if somebody got

[1:00:36] hit by a car

[1:00:39] getting across 800 North on our brand

[1:00:41] new bridge because the trail wasn't

[1:00:42] open,

[1:00:43] >> right?

[1:00:45] Yeah, we're going to have to visit that.

[1:00:48] I don't know if we have a plan fully for

[1:00:49] that yet.

[1:00:51] >> Um yeah, anyways, it's on track and it's

[1:00:54] looking good to open up in the next

[1:00:55] couple weeks.

[1:00:58] >> Are you doing a little

[1:01:00] Yeah, I believe the administration is

[1:01:02] planning something the week after the

[1:01:04] 24th of July. Um, just with the where we

[1:01:07] have it planned the week of the 4th and

[1:01:08] then the mural is supposed to be done

[1:01:10] the week of the 24th, they felt it was

[1:01:12] best just to go the week after to do

[1:01:15] some sort of celebration and and be able

[1:01:17] to highlight all those things, not in

[1:01:19] conflict with the holidays. And so,

[1:01:22] >> yeah, you don't want to,

[1:01:24] >> right?

[1:01:27] Thank you. On behalf of

[1:01:31] >> uh yeah on the capital improvement

[1:01:34] projects update. These are the projects

[1:01:36] that um our department engineering is

[1:01:38] doing as speaking. We have the south

[1:01:41] state street trail project going on.

[1:01:42] It's a 10 ft sidewalk trail carbon

[1:01:44] gutter storm improvement along with

[1:01:46] street lights. Uh this is between 300

[1:01:48] south and 900 south on state street. Um

[1:01:51] the project will complete um by October

[1:01:54] 15th. 850 east sidewalk construction of

[1:01:57] 5 feet sidewalk urban gutter 80

[1:02:00] improvements along with storm

[1:02:01] improvements uh from uh center street to

[1:02:05] 150 south along 850 east the project

[1:02:08] will complete sometime in mid July 700

[1:02:11] east 800 north signal this is

[1:02:14] construction of a new three-way signal

[1:02:15] at the intersection of again 700 east

[1:02:17] 800 north uh project will complete by

[1:02:20] end of July 1 1600 west sidewalk project

[1:02:24] uh this is a connecting sidewalk project

[1:02:26] from 80 south to 180 south along 1600

[1:02:29] west. Uh it includes sidewalk carbon

[1:02:32] gutters, some storm improvements and

[1:02:34] project will complete by end of June. We

[1:02:37] have our crack seal project going on.

[1:02:39] That project will complete um or at

[1:02:42] least we'll have a stop to it um end of

[1:02:45] this week. So this is the last week of

[1:02:46] our seal project. 900 East 900 South

[1:02:49] sidewalk project. We did finish that

[1:02:51] project last week. Uh our Franklin CDBG

[1:02:55] we did about 33 um ADA ramps in Franklin

[1:02:58] neighborhood. Uh that project completed

[1:03:00] last week. Our foothills CDBG project we

[1:03:04] started that project last week. We're

[1:03:05] going to be in foothills for another I

[1:03:07] would say two to three weeks. Uh and

[1:03:09] then 500 north 200 west signal

[1:03:11] reconstruction. That project will begin

[1:03:13] in the next two to three weeks. Um and

[1:03:16] it will go approximately end of July

[1:03:20] sometime in August.

[1:03:26] that one

[1:03:31] » and we're putting in protected left

[1:03:33] turns there too.

[1:03:36] >> So that'll match what we're doing on

[1:03:38] University on Fifth.

[1:03:42] » Um I have one last thing. Uh University

[1:03:45] Avenue bridge replacement update. Um the

[1:03:49] good news is uh UD do told the

[1:03:52] contractor they couldn't close the

[1:03:54] entire two lanes on the southbound

[1:03:55] off-ramp or on ramp. Uh so they're

[1:03:58] closing half of the time and so we got

[1:04:00] to keep that road that uh access open to

[1:04:03] southbound I-15 at the ramp. Um our

[1:04:08] boring is going better. um better

[1:04:11] meaning

[1:04:14] we're able to get through the whatever

[1:04:16] blockage we had and we're moving forward

[1:04:19] and when there's been no disruptions to

[1:04:21] the railroad. Uh to tell you how close

[1:04:24] that is, if we we they take shots

[1:04:27] surveyed three times a day, if we're 1/8

[1:04:30] of an inch difference, we have to

[1:04:32] contact the railroad. If we're a quarter

[1:04:34] inch, we have to stop work. Well, that's

[1:04:38] I mean that's how

[1:04:40] tight that is.

[1:04:42] Anyway, um a little bit better news is

[1:04:45] uh 600 South. Uh we've been working with

[1:04:48] the railroad on that one. We did get

[1:04:50] final approval to move forward with our

[1:04:52] trail and uh and uh fencing project and

[1:04:57] new curb and gutter and parking along

[1:05:00] south. Uh over the next couple weeks, we

[1:05:03] should see the railroad be moving all of

[1:05:06] their railroad materials, what I refer

[1:05:08] to as junk, uh right along here. Uh

[1:05:13] the railroad treasures, uh old ties, old

[1:05:17] tie plates, new tie plates, if you want

[1:05:19] a new tie plate. Anyway, they're all

[1:05:21] down there and they're going to be

[1:05:22] relocating those.

[1:05:23] >> My understanding is they were dumping

[1:05:25] that on Provo City property.

[1:05:27] Yes, it was Provo City property and you

[1:05:30] mentioned these nine law. So, it took

[1:05:33] two and a half years to convince up that

[1:05:36] they were on our property.

[1:05:38] >> Um, the neighborhood

[1:05:40] that

[1:05:42] the original project limits was from

[1:05:44] first west to second east.

[1:05:46] >> Um, our bid came in where we were able

[1:05:49] to do all the way to Fort East. We had

[1:05:51] planned it. We got funding to Second

[1:05:53] East, but our bid I didn't have to go

[1:05:55] back and ask for more money. We got two

[1:05:57] more blocks out of it. We're really

[1:05:59] excited about that.

[1:06:02] >> Exact

[1:06:10] um where the park is and then second

[1:06:12] east to our bike way.

[1:06:19] » All right. very much. Uh, one last

[1:06:22] announcement before we adjourn is that

[1:06:24] there will be no T-MAC meeting in July.

[1:06:27] So, the next one will be on August. I

[1:06:29] don't know what the date is.

[1:06:30] >> Same third Thursday in August where we

[1:06:33] will dedicate the entire meeting to

[1:06:36] Greg.

[1:06:37] >> My grad student will be coming the bulk

[1:06:40] of the presentation.

[1:06:40] >> I hope we'll see.

[1:06:43] And

[1:06:44] >> with that, um, I'll entertain a motion

[1:06:47] to adjurnn.

[1:06:51] We need a vote.

Provo City TMAC | June 11, 2026

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