[0:05] good morning come on give me some energy we are at capacity so we're going

[0:11] to go ahead and start four minutes early um my name is Lisa Hendrickson I have

[0:16] the honor of serving as your mayor and I also would like to introduce our

[0:20] District 3 commissioner Miss Aaron

[0:24] Shu morning so if you live in District 3 Aaron is your commissioner um did I miss

[0:33] any other Commissioners in the room Readington Beachton Beach I'm sorry Tim

[0:38] Thompson Tim Thompson from Readington Beach thank you so much for being here

[0:44] any other Commissioners or Mayors in the room all right very good um if you could

[0:50] please silence your phones so that we can have a productive meeting that would

[0:54] be great we do have a signin sheet um it's important for us to know who would

[1:00] here so that we have any developing information in the future we can reach

[1:05] out to you directly on this topic thank you our staff is working extremely hard

[1:12] we asked for this open Forum today so that we could be face to face with you

[1:19] and answer your questions without the formalization of a commission meeting so

[1:25] there's no formal actions today even though we have two Commissioners here

[1:29] this is no the commission meeting we are not bound by the three minute rule for

[1:34] formality this is an open Forum with our building official the only thing I ask

[1:40] is that we all please be respectful to each other and of course to our staff

[1:46] and our building official who is working many hours per meet this meeting is

[1:52] being recorded and we will post it on our website so that residents who are

[1:58] not able to attend this morning's meeting can review it at a later time

[2:04] convenient for them or if you miss something and you'd like to re feel free

[2:10] um I'd like to gauge the audience a little bit how many residents are here

[2:15] from Readington Shores can you raise your

[2:17] handoo yes how many from Readington Beach all right we got we got a good a

[2:25] good mix from both towns thank you all for getting up early and being

[2:30] here um of those in the audience who has received your substantial damage

[2:38] letter okay good good and I'm going to assume the rest of you have not received

[2:45] your substantial damage letter go ahead and raise your hand I get a feel okay

[2:51] all right it it kind of looks like we're F on both towns and

[2:58] yeah okay um who in this room has filed for an appeals

[3:05] process okay good good well Rob is going to talk about all of these items um

[3:12] certainly just to be respectful to Rob and everyone else if you have a question

[3:17] just raise your hand and allow Rob to call on you we have one hour allotted

[3:23] and I want to be respectful to everyone's time today so we are going to

[3:28] get started and I'd like to introduce our intern building official Mr Rob

[3:39] pagles all right well I uh appreciate you all coming out this morning I know

[3:44] you have a lot of questions I'm going to try to address some of those right off

[3:47] the bat uh so we can get down to to other business um the elephant in the

[3:53] room substantial damage letters where are they what's going on with them let

[3:57] me address a few topics on that we have a list two lists one for Readington

[4:02] beach one for Readington Shores on the clipboard over here if your address is

[4:06] on that list then you have received a letter or let me clarify a letter has

[4:10] been sent to your property address if you haven't received if your

[4:14] address is on the list and you haven't received the letter let us know you can

[4:18] contact the building department you contact town hall and we can email that

[4:21] to you because we have that a record of that if your address is not on the list

[4:26] you haven't received the letter that means we haven't gotten the data from

[4:29] from Title Basin we get the in fact on Wednesday

[4:34] night while we were in the commission meeting just after 6:00 I received some

[4:38] data from Title Basin and we were able to send out another 164 letters this

[4:42] week they went out yesterday afternoon takes about two days to process and get

[4:47] all that organized so we to date for both municipalities Beach and shortes

[4:54] we've sent out 885 Letters Out of approximately 1,400 we expect to send so

[4:59] we're about 63% in letters being sent okay so if

[5:04] you're here you haven't gotten a letter and your address is on that list

[5:10] that may be in your mailbox today maybe on Monday if you are not substantially

[5:15] damaged once you receive your letter then we can issue you your permit to

[5:19] rebuild if you are substantially damaged per the letter then we do an appeal

[5:24] process you give be a market appraisal you call Mike Twitty you have him come

[5:28] do a bbrr you do bbrr request and he'll do a reappraisal of your home increase

[5:32] the property value you can have a contractor submit cost

[5:37] estimate the idea is we're working with a simple ratio what's the home worth not

[5:43] the property but the structure what is the structure worth and what does it

[5:47] cost to repair if we increase the structure value and we decrease the cost

[5:54] to repair then we change the ratio bring you under the 49 for for the shores and

[6:00] 50% for the beach and once we get you under that Mark then you can get a

[6:04] permit and rebuild your home let me be perfectly clear not one

[6:10] person in this building expects or demands or wants you to have to tear

[6:16] down your house and rebuild it that's not what's going on

[6:21] here we want to get you back in your home as quickly as possible but it does

[6:25] have to be a safe home to move back into so we have to follow this process it's

[6:33] outlined and codified we're going to follow the process to a te I cannot

[6:37] issue a permit until I issue a letter and I cannot issue a letter until I get

[6:43] the data from title B what I what I need you to hear is as soon as they send us

[6:48] data we immediately go to work I spent all day Thursday locked away in my

[6:53] office some of you tried to call some of you may have wanted to come by and and

[6:57] visit uh I locked myself away the staff leave me alone let me work on these

[7:02] letters because the most important thing to do that day was get those letters out

[7:07] and I was able to get all processed in about 6 hours got it all processed got

[7:12] it to the town clerk does her thing and then we were able to get those out

[7:16] yesterday so feel good about that another 164 going out we're here working

[7:22] our tales off to serve your needs uh and to me that was the most important thing

[7:28] now we're coming back on the letters that we sent and we're re reviewing

[7:32] those permit applications that you put in if you're not substantially damaged

[7:37] we are working to issue those permits they'll start coming out Monday Tuesday

[7:42] um you should get notification by email you or your contractor will get

[7:46] notification by email that the uh it actually has a permit F gr as an

[7:49] attachment to the email so that happens automatically when we do that any

[7:54] questions about letters yes yes ma'am what's the difference between the

[7:58] exercise your working on now versus the female letter that's on the property tax

[8:02] records already good question so uh just I don't know if everybody heard that she

[8:06] has what's the difference between the substantial damage letter and the FEMA

[8:11] letter the FEMA letter is an estimate from Mike qut's office it's really the

[8:16] the property value typically doesn't change much it's the cost estimate that

[8:20] the title Bas provides that makes the difference there I saw a hand over yes

[8:24] sir yes um in my case my cost of repairs for for a too low as under $400 to fix

[8:30] everything M and I fix it myself so I based on our discussions on January 24th

[8:36] I went ahead and sent you a list of materials that used to fix the house

[8:40] have heard back from you since went ahead and followed the process that's on

[8:44] the portal and contact building department on the 25th it's been over

[8:50] two weeks no response back or Okay so let's let me let me just address one

[8:55] thing real quick and I appreciate that and uh we'll deal we can deal with that

[9:00] specific issue um uh later in this format with this number of people and

[9:06] with our time limit it is going to be absolutely impossible to deal with each

[9:11] person's specific circumstance everybody is generally the same but you all have

[9:17] little bitty tweaks that are a little bit different so it's not going to be

[9:21] possible to to sit here and and if I don't have my computer I don't have

[9:25] access to to to research stuff uh you know we're we're doing our best working

[9:30] as hard as we can to to resolve those issues that specific issue is really a

[9:34] non-issue we just need to get you cleared up and I

[9:38] understand yeah no and I understand and I understand that but um yeah this this

[9:43] won't be the form for that yes ma'am well like she was saying FEMA gave us a

[9:48] different percentage this Title Basin is given us a different percentage even my

[9:53] insurance company had to give a percentage when they submitted in to be

[9:58] reimbursed and there none of them match right right

[10:03] the only one that I'm concerned about is the what's on the substantial damage

[10:06] letter that's the only one that makes a difference between whether you're

[10:10] substantially damaged or not so you're saying then all I need is an updated

[10:14] appraisal on my home and just submit that that's all I need so we've

[10:20] uh maybe most likely so what I've discovered and and I've done a few

[10:25] appeals and some of you raised your hands that you've done an appeal um what

[10:29] I've discovered is nine times out of 10 when you submit a reappraisal of your

[10:35] home the value of the structure almost doubles it's a range of 40 to 60%

[10:41] increase in the structure value and when that happens it it effectively cuts that

[10:47] cost of repair part in half right and increases that ratio so we get you non-s

[10:52] substantially damaged and it's typically that appraisal that makes the biggest

[10:56] difference so that's all we need you you well so you can email the building

[11:01] department you can bring it to our window just get us the property

[11:05] appraisal and and and uh we now we now have a a request form for appeal and

[11:13] then you reissue another letter do but we can do that for you right at the

[11:16] window or we can email that to you and you reissue another letter hand sir you

[11:20] had your hand for a little bit so that the reappraisal process that where you

[11:25] mentioned it likely doubles is that coming out of Twitty's office or is that

[11:29] coming out of a private adjustment private I haven't I have not seen

[11:32] anything from Twitty's office on a reappraisal yet okay the ones I'm

[11:36] looking at are private appraises i' so just the followup so you can't tell us

[11:41] how long that process takes when we if we submit the 20's office you I just

[11:45] have no idea uh this gentleman said possibly two to three weeks want make

[11:51] some clarification on the process if that's the case I'm willing to bet

[11:55] that's faster than private appraisal cuz I know those folks are super busy yes

[11:59] ma'am so yesterday I got my letter as I was sitting in the Appraiser's office

[12:02] and I was at 50.6 so when I asked them so I need some clarification on where I

[12:07] go they told me that the lady there who was very helpful said send her an email

[12:13] containing my letter my substantial damage letter pictures of my home before

[12:18] the storm which I purchased in May okay she said send that and I sent

[12:23] her my MLS which had all the pictures to see what the upgrades were but my

[12:28] question is am I going to get a new letter saying that I wasn't

[12:30] substantially D don't send you a new letter typically I don't so then what do

[12:35] I do what do you mean so when I send her

[12:38] all this information and they said it takes two to three weeks CU I talked to

[12:42] the guy she transferred me over to the guy in Mike Twitty's office and I said

[12:46] what do I do what's the process now because I'm at 50.6 and I'm in

[12:49] Readington Beach you know I'm like $2,000 okay so I'm like what do I do and

[12:55] he said that you submit all this information then I will get back to you

[12:58] in 2 to three weeks am I getting a letter and do I have bring that to you

[13:02] so you're you're asking questions about what Twitty's doing and I have no idea

[13:06] you you bring the appraisal to me bring the reappraisal to me when you get it

[13:09] from him from them sure oh so they'll send me a new appraisal I don't know

[13:13] what they're going to do I can't answer for to so you need what do I need to

[13:17] bring to you either a reappraisal from a from a private appraiser or from my

[13:22] Twitty's office okay or a cost estimate that reduces the cost to repair T's

[13:27] going to give you

[13:35] somebody for can hear the people asking questions let's keep the chatter down

[13:39] please don't have the substantial letter or damage letter yet but you got a

[13:44] contractor that comes in and he's coming in under what Twitty's letter says with

[13:48] the theme of 50% doesn't matter with respect it doesn't matter until you have

[13:52] the letter you're not going to get a permit but our permit according to the

[13:56] sample letter that you guys provided on your website say that the permits have

[13:59] to be submitted by April 6 are we going to get an extension because it's taken 4

[14:03] months to get a subst I'll review that uh I'll review that but I don't believe

[14:08] we're going to come anywhere close to that to that deadline I don't believe

[14:12] that's going to be an issue but I'll review

[14:15] that one sec we got a lot of folks behind you go ahead

[14:30] you should submit you should definely what's his question uh he said

[14:34] he came to the window with a private appraisal and they told him to submit

[14:39] the private appraisal with the application for for the rebuild permit I

[14:43] haven't got sureid so I have

[14:52] to okay what I do um have you re have you received your letter yet okay none

[14:57] of it matters until you receive your letter so let's get your letter because

[15:00] if you're not substantially damaged I don't need your appraisal I don't need

[15:04] we just need to get your permit to

[15:10] built everybody's going to get a letter everybody's going to get a letter in the

[15:15] grave with person two questions one is that the

[15:19] cost is based on the structure damage structures so the point is that the cost

[15:27] before head just have to one of the

[15:32] cost the cost to repair and bring it back to preh Hurricane status I think

[15:39] answered your first question yeah uh yes ma'am can you tell me again I'm the

[15:46] building official for the town of red Geor second question once we get that

[15:50] letter and we have an El and we have a demo how long will it take for us to get

[15:55] the renovation you have to complete

[15:59] the interior demolition part of the deal so you got to get your rough electric

[16:03] safe secure sanitary right you've heard that term you drywall out studge dry you

[16:09] have to be in a place where you're ready to cover things up and move on once you

[16:14] have your non-substantial damage letter and your interior demolition permit is

[16:18] cleared out then we can issue your renovation permit how long will that

[16:23] take couple days we just have to RW days it just depend all depends on

[16:29] all depends on volum yes sir hey talking about the the rough in of the electric

[16:36] it sounds like you're making that sound that's part of the demo

[16:40] permit that's not part of the rebuild permit I I would think that we're trying

[16:45] to get everything to Safe secure and sanitized right that you know we we got

[16:50] our electric secured okay but I don't it's nowhere near saying oh we did the

[16:56] rough in ready for the rebuild now we didn't do a compl we didn't do a

[17:02] complete rough in on our so to clarify safe secure sanitary what I've what I've

[17:06] instructed folks who who called me or or sat on and talk to me we want you to

[17:10] bring your home to a minimal what we what we call a minimal habitable

[17:13] standard you can do all of the electrical including installing outlets

[17:17] and putting covers on them you can't hang drywall but we want you to put a

[17:21] cover on that you can use that outlet but I don't want you to accidentally

[17:24] touch something that's going to shock you you can complete all of that stuff

[17:28] that way you can plug in in a stove and you can cook in your own home no there's

[17:31] no drywall and you don't have countertops to work with but you can

[17:34] cook on the stove you can have a a toilet a tub a sink so you can wash your

[17:38] hands and wash dishes and take a shower uh brush your teeth make sure your AC is

[17:43] working uh uh so you got plumming you got AC you got your electrical

[17:47] everything is safe you can live in your home there are no walls there are no

[17:52] walls I get it you're laying in your bed and you're waving at somebody across the

[17:55] across the building I understand it's not it's not living in your home it's

[18:01] camping in your own home but you can with the Demolition permit you can bring

[18:05] your home to a minimal habitable standard you can do your roof you can do

[18:09] windows and doors uh exterior doors not interior doors everything but all of

[18:14] those parts that really complete the home right all of

[18:19] that can be done on your interior demolition permit so you just add if you

[18:23] need to do your roof add your roofer to your inter interior demolition permit if

[18:27] you need to do electrical he may want to your electrician may want to pull their

[18:31] own permit and that's fine but you can add them to your end your demolition

[18:35] permit same with your plumber same with your hbac put it all on there windows

[18:39] and doors put it all on that that permit so that somebody can't break into your

[18:45] home so you can actually live in your home you can sit down you're watching

[18:49] Oprah you're eating microwave popcorn but you know you can see the entirety of

[18:54] your home from your living room yes question

[19:09] that's not that's that'se repeat the question speak up he asked about he

[19:13] asked about the tax implications of raising or demolishing and rebuilding a

[19:17] home totally not totally not my mom named me Robert they call because

[19:22] Robert's a doctor a lawyer an accountant but everybody calls me

[19:26] Rob and I the thing is when I went over there over here here over there you're

[19:34] going to have to talk an accountant about

[19:36] that assesses taxes when sir I don't have anything to do with it I can't help

[19:41] you with that question I'm so sorry it's just out my just out of my wheelhouse

[19:46] yes ma'am I another question on this demo

[19:49] permit direct right no I don't it's the property of just not

[19:55] my I'm a builder I'm a builder yes ma' so the demo permit say we just pulled

[20:01] that for the pulling out all the debris out of the house can we add to it to add

[20:08] then all this stuff you're saying Ro just said yes ma'am that's what I just

[20:12] said bring it up to a minimum habitable standard yes ma'am I it's already

[20:15] submitted that's right okay that's right yes ma'am who is title Bon accountable

[20:21] to I mean

[20:24] who the governor governor they were hired by FD County to do

[20:31] this sir so um previously when we came in we got our demo permit like you're

[20:37] saying make the health uh house health safey and so forth we were dealing with

[20:41] another building inspector B yeah now are you going to rotate out

[20:47] eventually is your last day here so I I work because what you're saying to all

[20:51] of us here and then all of a sudden we see you know Jimmy shows up next month

[20:55] right I work for safe built okay okay safe built is a third party contractor

[20:59] that does a building department or does a building official position we do all

[21:03] the inspections as well safe built is working I live in Orlando okay um I'm

[21:09] supposed to be there last night my wife supposed to be in my house 90 days

[21:14] ago months ago safe built is working on a local permanent replacement for me uh

[21:22] some folks going be really happy about that good um and and so the person that

[21:27] they bring in God willing to be the last one okay but

[21:31] my question is is your predecessor was just as clar he clarified what you're

[21:35] saying about how making the house safe getting your electric that's common

[21:38] sense okay and we all know that and my contractor has started to do work based

[21:43] on those on that uh permit the reality is is that you have I don't know 75

[21:48] people in this room because if the next person that comes in and says something

[21:52] different you um I will start the class actual law soon I'm just saying but

[21:57] because because the reality is I just want to

[22:00] make sure we're all good because a lot of our you know a lot of us are prepared

[22:04] to do this bill's my supervisor he's really was super nice and you are for

[22:09] years Bill's a wonderful man I came in and worked with Bill for about a week

[22:13] before he pulled out and he and I went over all of this stuff what you hear

[22:17] from me should be very similar to what you heard from Bill I think it's exact

[22:21] clarifying no uh variation from that and the gentleman that they bring in or the

[22:25] person I should say that they bring in to replace me we don't I'll sit with

[22:29] them I still call Bill hey you know what about this and when when audities come

[22:35] up and uh and he and I discuss them so that there's consistency in the

[22:38] messaging and we'll try to continue that I can't speak for the future if I could

[22:43] I'd be a millionaire I'd be a billionaire but we'll do our best to I

[22:48] bought my house in May I would have bought it in October the so I can see

[22:53] the future thank you what what if I don't I want to sell my and not okay

[22:59] what are my choices that do I have to apply for per I don't want to repair I

[23:04] don't want to leave in the house what I do you so you're going to sell it as is

[23:08] and the and the and the seller just needs to be a I mean the buyer just

[23:11] needs to be aware that they're going to have to pull permits to to do the work

[23:15] and they are going to knock down the house and build the whatever they want

[23:18] to do I mean you know do I have to apply for a permit now before

[23:24] April if you sell the home and no work has been done without a permit then

[23:30] eventually it falls under Code Compliance for for neglect and disrepair

[23:35] but if you sell it to someone and they immediately go into the process of of

[23:39] getting that corrected then then there won't be a problem at all what is the

[23:42] duration for that neglect I'm can I every home is going to age and and

[23:49] deteriorate differently so it it depends on the amount of damage you took the

[23:52] amount of water how quickly you know molds and things grow on the home and

[23:56] make it unhitable and unsafe in the community yes ma'am letter or no letter

[24:00] we had already decided that we wanted to raise our house okay we got our letter

[24:04] and we were over there m so uh we do have all our paperwork all our we've

[24:10] already done the safety work we are glamping in our home and when I come

[24:15] every week I wait in line I call every week I have emailed multiple times uh

[24:19] two days ago I did get a call back and the woman told me that our permit will

[24:24] be delayed to put up sheetrocking cabinets until the house is raised your

[24:29] thought was that things are going to shift I that's okay that's a specific

[24:34] question for your house and we do not have time to deal with each person's

[24:39] individual specific circumstance I know about your circumstance and we can talk

[24:44] after the meeting uh yes sir uh your replacement you said they going to be a

[24:49] local person yes are they still going to be through F yes yes yes ma'am so is it

[24:58] to do the safety build back if we have not we got our letter work

[25:07] 100% substantially damaged we sent in our

[25:12] appeal we are we don't want to spend the money on anything until you guys come

[25:19] out and check it again tell us or may what would you

[25:25] do cont you won't be able to do you won't be able to do any renovation until

[25:30] you have a permit and I won't issue the permit until your appeal has been

[25:33] completed which means we will have already done all that I get that but is

[25:42] it that that's up I mean that's up that's up to you I you know that's up to

[25:47] you I I can't advise you again we're talking specific about your home and I

[25:50] can't advise that I haven't seen it I don't have data to look at I I really

[25:55] can't uh it's a if you do that and your appeal does not go through so let me I

[26:01] don't know if everybody heard her question but she's concerned about uh uh

[26:06] spending money to bring the home to a safe secure sanitary standard and and

[26:12] her home is uh damn sub is substantially damage she's worried about the appeal

[26:17] process and the question is does it make sense to spend the money that's a

[26:21] judgment call on you if we're able to successfully appeal then you're You're

[26:27] Building back um if we're not able to successfully appeal you may have to

[26:30] demolish or Elevate but um I can't make the decision for you on on what you do

[26:36] there I'm just you know it's a tough call I get

[26:40] it so we decide

[26:44] Toge but not raise up can we just keep the land and then sell it the question

[26:51] is uh can we can we demolish the home and sell the land be absolutely you can

[26:56] do that you can absolutely I mean you're you end up paying the demolished costs

[27:00] it may be to your benefit just sell as is you may get some structure value I

[27:04] can't really yes ma'am yes if you receive a substantial damage um how long

[27:11] do you have to reply and can you submit

[27:16] bra Andes it does the cost of bra have to be submitt with a detail

[27:23] report yes yes ma'am yes ma'am so how long do you have

[27:31] FEMA says uh I'm going to misquote the terminology

[27:36] it's a reasonable time frame is what they say you have you have to do it

[27:40] within a reasonable time frame what is exactly it's

[27:45] reasonable it's reasonable Can it can it title Bas time frame what is title Bas

[27:51] time frame I haven't got my letter so you tell me it's reasonable

[28:08] okay okay in the oh I'm sorry yes

[28:13] ma'am can you step out of there I'm so

[28:18] sorry [Music]

[28:26] City material I look for three data points four data points on that letter

[28:32] number one is it substantially damaged or not number two what is the cost to

[28:37] repair estimate that they provideed number three what's the assessed value

[28:42] and what's the percentage and that's that's what forms the letter I'm happy

[28:46] to send that data out if you

[28:54] want why are we all supposed to the established procedure that's the

[28:59] feema guidelines that's what we have to

[29:07] follow right I agree I agree tell us again we

[29:14] got make all that without a letter yes yes

[29:20] yes yes yes interior demolition permit right now get it done get the drywall

[29:24] out get it cleaned out get the electrical safety uh get the yeah the

[29:28] electrical system safe do your AC if you need to do your AC stuff Plumbing

[29:33] whatever so the only is the drivew you can't close can't hang drywall can't put

[29:37] up cabinets can't finish off your plumbing until you get until you get the

[29:40] letter you can finish off the letter yeah

[29:45] we again yes without the letter without the letter yes yes yes yes you can have

[29:50] a toilet a shower and a sink okay yes sir the the question is what is what

[29:58] what is the process for getting the interior demolition permit you can apply

[30:01] for that online uh through our portal and you can apply for it here uh there's

[30:06] some documents that need to be notorized uh and the we have a couple of notaries

[30:11] in here so we do that for you for free U but honestly I I don't deal with

[30:16] permitting part of it so I really don't know all the stuff they're asking I done

[30:22] in one day oh absolutely absolutely we and and then it goes through A Brief

[30:27] Review process we turn that out pretty quick um yes sir that what what do we

[30:32] need do we need a liced contractor can we pull you can pull a yeah you can pull

[30:37] a the question is what again what do we need you can pull an owner Builder

[30:41] permit you just have to sign an affidavit that says you understand that

[30:44] work done on your home under that permit means that you cannot rent or sell your

[30:49] home within a year yes sir I think you just said that

[30:54] you can do a a demolition permit online try that

[30:58] I think what you mean to say is you can submit a completed

[31:03] application correct it's not a writable form you can't click on something corre

[31:09] I I don't know be honest I have one second

[31:16] yes'am perhaps it be easier Rie step byep once someone receives a substantial

[31:24] bamage letter what is the appeal process was we've done the appeal process

[31:30] waiting for your answer but now I understand coming to this meeting

[31:34] there's another form that was created that also has to be I'm not going to go

[31:38] back and and ask people who have already submitted their stuff to do that form

[31:42] that was just dropped at the window because you know

[31:47] for all neighbors talking I'm telling my neighbor how progressing and then this

[31:53] isown into the it won't it won't affect you what

[31:58] are the steps I think everyone so you receive a a letter she asked what what

[32:05] are the steps to do your appeal you get your substantial Dam you get a letter

[32:09] that says you're substantially damaged you send to us or get in our

[32:14] hands we do have a form for you to fill out it also contains a a waiver um but

[32:21] you get it you get that information to us and we put you in the queue I send

[32:25] out uh our inspectors to to do a reassessment of your home they're going

[32:29] to come in and take pictures inside and out make sure there's nothing that

[32:33] somebody missed some structural damage that might be there something hidden

[32:37] they double check that they bring those pictures back to me we start an appeal

[32:41] process the big form I have to fill out we produce ultimately produce a

[32:46] report um I'm so sorry I skipped a step um fill

[32:52] out the form and do the request we will need either a cont contractor's cost

[32:59] estimate that lowers the Title Basin cost estimate or a market appraisal you

[33:06] can get that for free from Twitty you can hire your own appraiser you get that

[33:11] appraisal or costate or both or cost estimate or both to us and we we begin

[33:17] your

[33:22] appeal women and you mentioned electric so that you PL it Spector once the elect

[33:29] is done told us we not allow to put outl in until the dry is up yeah that's

[33:36] incorrect you can put outlets in and put just put covers over those yes sir just

[33:41] one more question um thank you for doing all this I know you're getting beat up

[33:45] um but the fact is this is fun okay can can you do me one favor in the

[33:50] leadership in the room can we do prepare for the next

[33:54] one so this never I'm doing another Saturday meeting no saying unfortunately

[33:59] unfortunately my wife will move out this will I hope not and I pray this never

[34:04] happens again but can we learn from this experience oh we yeah everybody well

[34:10] like I said usually in business I used to be we used to do what's called an

[34:13] after action yeah and we used to pretty much say the do's the don'ts The Good

[34:17] the Bad the Ugly cuz this is ugly and I think a lot of this what you're saying

[34:22] because the confusion and the folks up front they don't even understand some of

[34:26] the some of the issues because it's so off the rails because you're saying

[34:30] don't do this don't do that but is the next city over doing that I know it's

[34:34] different rules different organs I get it but as confusing as this may be you

[34:39] know it's chaos and like the old saying goes measured twice cut once we're we're

[34:44] measuring we're cutting like 15 times and the board's still too

[34:53] short so sorry yes sir have two questions um

[34:58] uh one what is the acceptable moisture percentage in Wood under 20% under 20

[35:03] okay except for pressure treated which we'll never make that okay and then the

[35:06] second question would be mine's not substantially damaged but my air

[35:11] conditioner it still works but I want to change it out I got something from the

[35:15] company you work for Fort Lauderdale David Dixon said I have to go up 14 ft

[35:20] that's right my air conditioner that's right my air conditioner has to go 14 ft

[35:23] my house yes you're you're 14 ft SE not 14t above sea level not about

[35:31] the my 10 T issue so I

[35:37] got yeah I mean there are options put it on a pedestal put it on the roof put it

[35:42] in the back of the house but you got to get it elevated because we got to get it

[35:45] out of flood Elation yes ma'am in the back the

[35:51] walls let's can we talk about the walls again you know how you're saying you can

[35:55] see through the house is there way we can put one side up and then you can

[36:00] still see we're not allowing any construction no rebuild construction

[36:03] without a renovation permit not even just for one

[36:22] siring we go to the County website and take the percent and app that amount

[36:27] won't be as accurate as the title basement I don't know so where do we get

[36:30] the number you can request the data from me okay so you'll tell us what that

[36:34] number is I don't do it automatically but if you put in a request then I Then

[36:38] I then I pull that data out of the file process we're all going to be in the

[36:41] same boat we're all going to be asking what is that you may be that's

[36:46] true yes sir is there a different process for the commercial I've got

[36:51] commercial building3 and I'm getting nowhere yeah

[36:55] and Title Basin hasn't figured out how to calculate

[36:58] substantial damage for commercial okay building behind well and calling that

[37:04] commercial so I haven't received anything on that either I got an empty

[37:09] building okay that you're talking about a specific circumstance and I don't have

[37:13] the ability to look into that right now so you'll have to question is the

[37:16] commercial side how when when can I expect something on that I have no idea

[37:21] sir I don't know you're again you're tring specifics and I I I just simply

[37:25] cannot deal with specifics on on anything yes yeah I um got my letter

[37:30] substantial damage letter and it was real close at

[37:34] 50.7 so I jump that g on the appeals because I didn't want to

[37:38] spend appraisal done good so when that gets submitted if it comes out all right

[37:45] and I'm able to rebuild on the ground floor do I still have to do all of that

[37:50] whole package or do I just get my contractor to submit a permit and get

[37:54] work started have your your contractor can do what what whole package P are you

[37:57] talking about um that whole uh permitting package that you have on the

[38:01] website well either you or your contractor but it's the same for both

[38:05] okay and the other every is I fortunately for me soon as I got on the

[38:10] island I got a crew to come in and start pulling out the cabinets and did all of

[38:15] that before the stocks were for went in so I need to go now and get after permit

[38:20] for all I did so can I do that on Monday just go to the St and get it absolutely

[38:28] yes sir in the best yeah uh so I have a substantial damage that of

[38:34] 60% uh that works out at about uh $190,000 I'm allowed to spend to repair

[38:40] my house okay the the uh title person come in with an estimate of $240,000 to

[38:46] do M right so if I get a contractor which I have that comes in substantially

[38:52] less than that less than the 50% around $100,000 will you accept and can I get a

[38:57] per based on the contractor's again quotation again either a property

[39:02] appraisal that raises the value or a contractor's estimate that lowers the

[39:06] cost to bring you below in the Readington Shores 49% Readington Beach

[39:11] 50% either one but not necessar either or or both I'll take yes

[39:20] sir yes they are yes yes sir can you clarify how you're determining the value

[39:26] of the where that number is coming from I'm not determining that at all that's a

[39:32] it's your property appraiser my are you using to calculate whether the percent

[39:39] I'm not doing a calculation on that that is title based okay what

[39:45] so when you get that your four dat three or four data points from title base uh

[39:51] to to do your letter what are those points again

[39:57] best property value estimated

[40:01] damage whether or not it's substantially damaged and the percentage those are the

[40:05] four okay so that's the property value or the structure value structure value

[40:09] thank you okay so you're getting that number from title

[40:12] base yes and I believe title base is getting that from Mike TW okay that's

[40:17] I you mentioned that if we get that uh interior demolation demolation permit P

[40:24] that something about you couldn't rent for a year if you pull an owner Builder

[40:29] permit an owner Builder permit that's right for Florida building code you

[40:34] cannot rent or sell your home for a year so if I if I have a contractor do it I

[40:40] avoid that corre corre completely correct correct yes ma'am yes ma'am um I

[40:45] just I haven't received my uh substantial Dage letter yet but

[40:49] everybody beside me has in my neighborhood do you as the building

[40:53] department know for a fact that Title Basin has every body's address it in

[40:59] absolutely okay absolutely yes ma'am yes sir um as far as the percentage we've

[41:05] heard some people with some numbers really close to

[41:09] 49% 50.6 what if it comes in it's 48% that's just boom okay you're you're not

[41:15] substantially damaging okay so the if uh we go through the they come back they

[41:21] say you're substantially damaged we go through the process we adjust those

[41:24] numbers with the appraisal with the with the cost cost estimate to rebuild

[41:28] whatever and say the the cost of estimate to rebuild is

[41:34] 48% then you're not substantially damaged and you so no one's going to

[41:38] question that they assume you're coming in under 48% and what have something

[41:42] 48.9% in the shores means you're not substantially damage and you get a

[41:45] permit to rebuild what am I okay all right because I I didn't know if they

[41:50] were saying hey yeah your estimate's 48% but you're so close that you could have

[41:55] a cost overrun if you have cost what happen well a 10% contingency on the

[42:00] cost is added is added just in case to prevent to 10% overrun is already added

[42:07] in when they figure that either your contractor does it or we do it uh

[42:11] ourselves but a 10% contingency is ated just I mean I said both commission

[42:16] meetings on Wednesday if you watch one episode of Property Brothers you know

[42:19] they open up a wall they find something right some reason they hit you with an

[42:22] extra charge so we do have to add a 10% con right so either I to let you know my

[42:28] contractor has put in the 10% contingency or so you don't add

[42:33] another yeah I'll see it when I review their numbers okay am my yes ma'am just

[42:38] one quick question the ground floor businesses that have reopened how are

[42:42] they able to acquire their permits so quickly and if they to my knowledge we

[42:45] haven't issued any permits to the ground floor businesses that reopen I'm working

[42:50] with a few businesses that are that are you know trying to get built back and

[42:53] coming up with some unique ways to to do some of that stuff but to my knowledge

[42:56] we have an issue yes

[43:02] sir safe bill yeah I have a whole team yeah I have a whole team in fact they're

[43:07] doing all of our plan review

[43:11] now they

[43:20] have the ru about not able to um owner build is that demo work the reu part if

[43:29] you do some demo yourself it's just going to be the rebuild part it's just

[43:32] going to be the re so you demo your home you had to demo your home to make make

[43:38] so you didn't burn down your neighbor's home so you're not restricted to not

[43:41] selling or renting for a do that yes good that's a good question yes me

[43:47] you're having to go through the appeal process substantially damage letter so

[43:52] if you submit you know a new appraisal and the list of cost of what it will be

[43:57] since that's a little bit different like what kind of time frame to get a

[44:01] response it it greatly depends uh I have completed about five or six I didn't get

[44:07] to do any this week because I'm inundated with other things uh next week

[44:12] we're going to get back at it see if we can see if we can get at it I want to

[44:15] get folks appeals done uh We've issued I I think five first let me say that every

[44:23] appeal I've done so far has been approved uh not not seen one that was

[44:28] had one that was 100% substantially damaged we've done that appeal and

[44:33] issued that permit I feel like we spent a lot of time on substantial damage

[44:38] appeals and that kind of thing let's move off of that subject because just at

[44:42] this point I'm just repeating the same answers do we have questions not related

[44:47] to substantial dams yes ma'am according to the this I should have receiv my

[44:52] letter I haven't okay said that in the beginning when we when we first started

[44:56] if your name name is on the list you haven't gotten the letter yet it is

[44:59] either in the mail CU we sent some out yesterday you can contact town hall or

[45:04] uh email building department and we will email your to you

[45:09] yes I want to turn down

[45:17] I you don't have a choice so spend all that money and then

[45:22] you say oh no you can't build that big I I mean that's a planning zoning

[45:28] issue yeah we have a Planning and Zoning guy that reviews all plans he's not here

[45:33] he's he does all that remote for us if you demolish and take it to Bare Earth

[45:38] you now fall under new construction and your permitting is just like new

[45:42] construction you go through all of the all of the protocols for new

[45:47] construction which is Planning and Zoning flood plane if you're doing some

[45:50] sea Waller duck you got to go through nav me there's a whole bunch yes ma'am

[45:54] that's not what they said in the last meeting that we had up here at this town

[45:57] with the FEMA Representatives they said if you tear down rebuild you can only go

[46:02] 10% larger than the original structure that's exactly what they said in that

[46:07] meeting okay that's for the grant if you take the grant money from

[46:14] Fe yourself with no femr money do

[46:29] uh condos are a mess right now again having

[46:34] trouble each condo has be individually value we to look at the cost to repair

[46:40] each individual condo I know

[46:50] insance and

[46:54] again building says

[46:58] that LEL ofage is based

[47:05] on% then you're level three so Ian you're asking a specific question I

[47:10] can't

[47:12] answer you want to scoot by excuse me sorry understand but the number of

[47:18] stories is immaterial BAS on the individual unit action suit definitely

[47:23] sounds like

[47:27] I don't have

[47:35] abity yes your demo cost your demo cost are part of the part of the total

[47:49] cost solar is in process they hav't offered

[47:56] out um that hasn't been approved obviously it works notice takes two

[48:03] weeks to uh you free them up from where they are a week to get get the drug test

[48:09] you know so people who didn't have blood insurance are they under the the same

[48:14] requirements of building that's a great question that's a great question I mean

[48:18] I here here's the answer to that question I'm jealous of just because

[48:22] just because you don't have flood insurance and you don't want to get

[48:25] flood insurance doesn't mean you're not subject to all of these rules and

[48:29] regulations your home your structure is part of the nfip whether you accept

[48:36] flood insurance or not if you don't follow get your permits do things by the

[48:41] book then I'll have no choice eventually ultimately I'm going to file a 1316

[48:49] letter on your home with the nfip which excludes your dwelling from the national

[48:54] flood insurance program which means you will never be well you'll never be able

[48:59] to get subsidized for insurance and anyone who buys your home won't be able

[49:03] to get subsidized for flood insurance so you're going to be restricted on who you

[49:07] can sell your home to so yes you got to follow same process you have to post

[49:13] permits in your you got you got to do it all you got to do it all yes ma'am yes

[49:18] sir I understand that this has to do with the theme of discount to the cities

[49:24] yes so I'm curious out of show of hands how many people in this room have

[49:29] actually received money from that's a good question who received

[49:34] fale Disaster

[49:37] Assistance I've received zero and all I want them to do is get out of the way

[49:42] and I can't help you with that that's certainly not not my my perview it's all

[49:46] over a disc yet the majority of people are not receiving any money from I don't

[49:51] control that I don't control that sir yes sir can you just speak to the

[49:55] process of [Music]

[49:58] you have the home and you say well I I want to do a little

[50:04] additional work so I'm I'm I'm bringing the home back up to its original plus I

[50:09] want to do a little extra work while it's all tore up what is the best

[50:13] process for that send us drawings of what you're what you're what you're

[50:17] trying to do when you apply for permit so the substantially damage how that

[50:24] relates to that when we're figuring out it's all included right it's part of

[50:29] your substantial so if you if you're thinking okay pie in the sky this is

[50:32] what I want to do give you the full thing I'm going to put my house back

[50:35] here and the other part I'm going to I'm going to add on to this is my total

[50:39] number I'm under the substantially damaged number therefore I should just

[50:44] Smit it all at one time absolutely and if it's denied then I can drop back to

[50:49] not doing that additional work

[50:58] you are part of the nfip whether you're getting flood insurance or not so have

[51:18] this that's your decision to make you can make that you make that decision if

[51:23] you make that decision by 13 16 per anyone yes sir we received a substantial

[51:30] damage letter with more percentage is

[51:36] that

[51:40] maybe situation I have the ability to research but if it came back in it said

[51:45] 0% awesome congratulations yes sir not substantially damaged and permit

[51:52] and process under review and how to past the holidays and stuff what the current

[51:57] I think we're I think we're a week away from from issuing some permits that uh

[52:02] for stuff that we had during the holidays and then the ones that we just

[52:05] sent out on Friday you know we're probably a week or two from issuing

[52:08] those okay yes ma'am um said

[52:14] about in if we've already subed our decied we

[52:21] to make coule changes how does that you need to you'll need to get redo your

[52:28] substantial Improvement worksheet to account for those

[52:32] changes

[52:38] we Carrie and uh Carrie and Steve are doing a great job they they they

[52:42] complete the workload every day whatever we have on a daily basis they complete

[52:47] so it's we definitely don't have an inspector issue as far as I as far as I

[52:51] know but you're the only one that's revie I no I farmed that out to whole

[52:56] team we've got a bunch of people on on I'm the only one reviewing appeals you

[53:01] don't want anyone else reviewing appeals you want me reviewing appeals I promise

[53:05] you that that's a very slow process with all that you have to do but you don't

[53:10] want to farm that

[53:14] out well that's why that's why we now have a team doing uh a plan review

[53:20] that's why we have inspectors com out there I'm relieving those parts of my

[53:25] workload so so that I can focus on the things that really really matter to

[53:29] folks which are these appeals real quick I want to I want to take a quick Str

[53:33] because we're starting to lose folks and that and that's fine but I want to take

[53:36] a quick straw poll on a couple of things that we've been talking about in our

[53:40] town so forgive me for for changing gears here for a second there's been

[53:45] some um buzz that it would be helpful for the building department to be open

[53:52] for um Extended some extended hours we currently our our window is open and we

[53:58] answer phones from 8:30 to 4: Monday through

[54:03] Friday um so we have a couple of options for how to extend some hours one would

[54:09] be to change hours to 8 to 6 the other would be a maybe like a half

[54:17] day on a Saturday maybe not every Saturday uh so just kind of want to get

[54:23] some some thoughts from our residents um show of hands who thinks 8 to six

[54:31] would be a better

[54:34] option days and then who thinks occasional s

[54:39] Saturday or an occasional Saturday half day okay that was eight to

[54:46] six okay awesome yes

[54:53] sir no no we'll put that on separate perment because your docks your pools

[54:58] your seaw walls they're not part of your substantial damage or substantial

[55:02] Improvement we put let's put that on a separate permit and keep that out of the

[55:06] calculation for for your damage yes ma'am are you respons is this department

[55:10] responsible for new contractors getting licenses to be able to do work in this

[55:15] area is that your department no well pelis County

[55:20] registers and provides licenses for new contractors we take that information and

[55:25] get them registered with us my question is my neighbor who has a

[55:29] contracting business in Virginia he's been to start a business here um he

[55:33] applied in October and what are we January and they still haven't approved

[55:38] it that that's a specific question that I I just don't have but is that LE

[55:42] what's the okay here's the general question what's the general leag time if

[55:45] you apply for a Contracting license typic I mean we get contractors that

[55:49] come in and sit down with our staff on a daily basis and get get registered yes

[55:53] ma'am I just want to know I called on Monday

[55:57] get one onone with you left a message I didn't get a call back until Thursday

[56:03] was the best way to get want to talk specifics we have been behind on emails

[56:08] we've been behind on phone so let me uh let me tell you what we did this week

[56:13] the town clerk she's amazing we sat down she and I she said what can we do to

[56:19] help and we hashed out a couple of things uh number one we had one phone

[56:25] line coming into the building Department we now have three phone lines coming

[56:28] into the building department if you call your call rings at three different desks

[56:34] now before you go to voicemail because our folks are on the phone all day every

[56:41] day uh we have if you've been here you already know there is a line to the door

[56:47] every day from 8 8 to 4: um 8:15 we open at 8:30 people are

[56:54] standing on the steps waiting for us almost daily our folks are

[57:00] just they're working their fingers to the to the nub trying to get trying to

[57:04] get to you um we now if you leave a voicemail we now get an email with your

[57:11] voicemail attached so we have a team so we have about three people in the front

[57:18] who are dealing directly with the public and then we always have two people in

[57:22] the back that are just doing permit paperwork stuff trying to keep things

[57:27] organized and moving and they everybody has access to the email so the folks

[57:32] that sitting in the back that aren't dealing direct with the public or are

[57:35] are checking email and listening to your voicemails and trying to get answer that

[57:39] just started this week on Friday as of Friday we had

[57:46] cleared Friday at 4: we had cleared the voicemail to only seven remaining

[57:52] voicemails that hadn't been attended to now it's probably already up to 20 we we

[57:57] couldn't expand the voice box the the mailbox so it's only 20 um we had it

[58:03] down to 7 she was really trying to get it cleared out we we just ran out of

[58:07] time so uh we'll pick it up again on Monday and we're just going to keep keep

[58:11] working through it it's just a process if anybody has been here you know how

[58:16] busy we are we're we got six people working on stuff uh just in this office

[58:23] not to mention the folks that are remote that are working on stuff and it's it's

[58:27] a lot it's a lot yes sir I want to commend your office we came in Thursday

[58:32] to finalize our after the fact demo permit which got uh completed that day I

[58:39] was asked if when I needed inspection I said how soon they said tomorrow which

[58:44] was yesterday they were out they passed thank you fantastic have you gotten your

[58:48] letter yet sub your subst damage assessment

[58:56] oh you're the Zer yeah you're the zero

[59:01] Fant we can get you we can get you your rebuild permit get you

[59:06] going yes ma'am so I've had AO perm in since October it's not been

[59:12] approved should have been I guess uh what kind of demo dry wall safe secure

[59:17] BL so we we uh we have a handful and again specific which I can't I can't

[59:26] addic but I will tell you that we have a handful less than

[59:31] 10 that there was some process we had some temporary uh

[59:37] contractors uh well all of our people are contractors but we we had a couple

[59:42] people in that really kind of did things out of order in the system and didn't

[59:47] like it and it was early on and uh we've gone to the uh company that provides the

[59:55] software for a solution because we can't we can't move them through um um it's

[1:00:02] just a weird I we don't understand it we don't understand it but we're not there

[1:00:06] are about 10 maybe less than 10 that we're having trouble with we're working

[1:00:11] I don't know if yours is in that stack but um we don't have a substantial

[1:00:16] number of interior demolition permits that haven't been issued um any that

[1:00:20] haven't most likely that's that's the problem so we're we're trying to work

[1:00:24] with them to get a resolution yes ma'am if we are acting as our own general

[1:00:28] contractor do we have to hire all licensed contract subcontractors do they

[1:00:33] all have to be licensed a GC if you're acting as so let

[1:00:38] me clarify if you're acting as owner Builder right no you can do all the work

[1:00:44] yourself it's still subject to Florida Cod and we will hold you accountable for

[1:00:49] doing things per the Florida code okay but if we buy or but that means if you

[1:00:53] do owner Builder that means you cannot rent or sell

[1:00:56] for uh if you hire someone to do some work we ask that you add them to your

[1:01:02] contractor list on your permit so that we can hold them responsible for the

[1:01:06] work uh down the road do they have to all be licensed yeah oh yeah okay so

[1:01:11] they still have to all be licensed in the State of

[1:01:14] Florida yes

[1:01:18] talking of

[1:01:28] assess it could haven't seen one yet I've seen something that came close um

[1:01:34] I'll give you let me give you an example uh we had a home that was assessed uh

[1:01:40] substantially damaged and they determined they said that it was slab on

[1:01:44] grade and we went into the appeal and we found that it was a wood frame structure

[1:01:51] on a crawl space and there was um uh substan rot in the floor system okay so

[1:02:00] this is exactly what you're ask if you didn't hear it in the back she asked

[1:02:04] what happens if you find something on the appeal part that messes up the

[1:02:09] appeal basically and we found a a substructure that that had some damage

[1:02:14] to it fortunately the repair fell you know their their property appraisal was

[1:02:21] like a one of those 60 centers that really shot their structure value up

[1:02:26] and then their contractor even with those repairs was under the Title Basin

[1:02:31] number so they're still not substantially damaged but it could it

[1:02:36] could change it but the point is safe secure sanitary right and so if we find

[1:02:42] substantial we've seen a number of homes where you pulled out the drywall and

[1:02:47] studs are just termite ridden I shouldn't say that uh wood born or

[1:02:52] organisms have have appear to have eaten away at the studs so you got to go back

[1:02:57] and fix that stuff for the safety of your home and that adds to the cost uh

[1:03:02] to repair but it's it's necessary and if it's to a level that puts you over the

[1:03:09] 50% then your home is still not save and we are going to have to do something

[1:03:14] yes get the damage interior demolition stuff all that stuff completed and then

[1:03:22] you come and inspect it and then we apply for the permit to

[1:03:26] the other things or does that fall is that permit good for the entire no

[1:03:30] you'll need a second permit so it's a two permit process interor demolition

[1:03:35] again minimum Hab minimum habitable standard s c sanitary and then a permit

[1:03:42] to rebuild renovation remodel permit okay and then can you you can't apply

[1:03:47] for that until you pass the first one no you can apply for that oh you can apply

[1:03:52] for both at the same time and then that that second one takes longer I'm

[1:03:56] guessing a little bit because we have to go through a few more checks okay and if

[1:04:01] you just use the contractor for that part the GC then you still have to wait

[1:04:06] for that period for the uh the one year to you use a GC you use a GC to pull the

[1:04:11] permit you don't have to wait even if I do the owner permit for the first part

[1:04:17] correct so I can do the owner permit for the

[1:04:20] first for correct yes ma'am so I want to say thank

[1:04:26] you for having the meeting first and foremost um and but perception is

[1:04:30] reality so my perception the previous week was that I came I stood in line for

[1:04:35] 45 minutes I came to pay the permits and the they rang the amount wrong so then I

[1:04:41] get an email back saying that I still owe $3 so I just want you all to be

[1:04:45] aware that you know yes your hours are working hours I'm a working mom I have

[1:04:49] three kids so no I'm not living in a camper in my driveway yet um but you

[1:04:53] know I I appreciate you've added more people it sounds like I appreciate

[1:04:57] you've added more phone lines but it's still our reality that we're not in our

[1:05:00] home you know that there's still a process I want to KN on to rebild I get

[1:05:05] all that but I think the inaccuracies of information is where a lot of the motion

[1:05:09] comes from sure that's why we're doing the town halt trying to eliminate

[1:05:12] inaccuracies and information we're all still human you know people say the

[1:05:16] wrong thing they do the wrong thing they don't have enough coffee in the morning

[1:05:19] you know when you send an email and you say I paid the wrong amount I didn't

[1:05:23] type the amount in I my credit yep again we're all human and and and mistake you

[1:05:28] know anybody's capable of making a mistake so I'm sorry that happened but

[1:05:31] um you know we do our best to be EXA we can yes ma' oh oh

[1:05:36] hi first of all you guys have I've been so impressed with everything I know

[1:05:43] overwheling um my question was is there a certain level for the seaw wall that

[1:05:50] you know of can you build up on SE that's a PNC question I really don't

[1:06:01] add

[1:06:09] yes we've answered that question three times and the answer is still no

[1:06:15] okay yes ma'am nany you had a question

[1:06:25] safe secure

[1:06:29] sanary toilet I don't any I know so I can't do anything little

[1:06:38] little little vanity cabinet little cabinet looks like this you can put a

[1:06:41] sink in there slide it up against the wall Amazon's got a nice little sink for

[1:06:45] like a 100 bucks that you can roll around it's kind of cool I don't listen

[1:06:50] I'm not going to bark at you for tiling a shower okay I'm not going to bark at

[1:06:55] you you put your dur Rock up you seal the pan you do it right you do it right

[1:07:00] we'll inspect it to verify because it's a three-sided structure and

[1:07:06] we can see two two sides I'm okay if you do that yeah nobody's going to get upset

[1:07:14] about that great

[1:07:18] question do your water here yeah elev drall

[1:07:24] put yeah and and once you put your water heater up you're not going to be able to

[1:07:28] drive all around behind it anyway and it may be the same thing with your AC

[1:07:32] closet I'm not going to get we're not going to get upset about those things

[1:07:35] but it's minimal minimal habitable

[1:07:46] standard you know how to

[1:07:56] lot terms

[1:08:00] of we're all advocates for [Music]

[1:08:08] everybody you're uny with title Bas yeah who do we talk to that ADV but they're

[1:08:15] not going to respond so who do we go to for advocacy is the mayor going to do

[1:08:19] that is uh who who in the township is is advocating for us

[1:08:29] our battery has died on the M the light's not working um I'm asking about

[1:08:36] who's doing advocacy I heard the poliy yes so who's doing ad advocacy so first

[1:08:41] of all the Florida Department of Emergency Management contracted to bring

[1:08:46] tital Basin in okay so if we're having issues with Title Basin we are to

[1:08:54] address those issues with the Florida Department of Emergency Management

[1:08:58] that's fdm fdem fdm reports to the

[1:09:04] governor so if we are having problems with Title Basin they are not being

[1:09:09] addressed by fdm we go directly to the governor I can tell you that our staff

[1:09:17] has had face-to-face meetings with f directly with title Bing directly they

[1:09:24] have both waste the issues that we are experiencing I myself have sent letters

[1:09:32] to our Congress women men Senators the governor and I have personally spoken to

[1:09:40] the White House three times we are doing advocacy what we are dealing with is a

[1:09:49] bureaucracy and we are impacted by that bureaucracy that is the reality of it

[1:09:56] yes um I just want some clarity on one thing I think you said earlier if a

[1:10:03] contractor has a estimate lower than the property appraisers number that they

[1:10:10] assign for you does can that move forward or do you

[1:10:14] still need to go through the appeal process you have to get your substantial

[1:10:18] damage left I have it that is the that is the appeal process the contractor

[1:10:23] estimate is the appeal process if you are substantially damaged you will not

[1:10:28] get a permit until your appeal is completed the contractor estimate is one

[1:10:33] part of the appeal process okay that's in the appeal process are you getting

[1:10:39] any push back from we had a private apprais will come

[1:10:42] out just like you said many times substantially higher than what Twitty's

[1:10:48] office came out with right are you getting any push back is that accepted

[1:10:52] it's a it's a I'm the one that makes the determination and no one questions my

[1:10:56] judgment great yes

[1:11:00] sir what are my options if I cannot sell my home before

[1:11:06] the end of April 202 we've answered that question for you already sir

[1:11:11] right oh if you can't sell your home I I I I don't know I I I don't know what to

[1:11:16] tell you I can't predict Market factors and I don't know we're talking about

[1:11:20] hypotheticals that I just I don't know

[1:11:25] process can I appeal after April 9th can you appeal

[1:11:32] what I CH my mind now I'm going to repair the house but I'm pass at April

[1:11:38] 9th dead so let me just advise you on that the longer you wait to do the

[1:11:43] interior Demolition and the the

[1:11:51] longer the longer you wait to do your interior Demolition and make your home

[1:11:57] safe secure and sanitary the more expensive it's going to be to do

[1:12:02] that understand that you're going to grow mold you're going to get Critters

[1:12:07] wood is going to rot and deteriorate you're going to create structural damage

[1:12:11] eventually Code Compliance is going to come and say this home now needs to be

[1:12:16] condemned for neglect so you can sit and write it out as long as you want I my

[1:12:22] strong recommendation is at least get it gutted cleaned so that you stop the

[1:12:27] damage while you're trying to sell it but you can do whatever you want it's

[1:12:31] your home second

[1:12:36] questioned

[1:12:48] the yes yeah you can and and let's get your demo permit closed out by making

[1:12:55] sure that it's safe secure sanitary for the purpose of sell yeah absolutely yes

[1:12:59] sir do you or anybody else have uh any updated information on U what's got on

[1:13:07] with the city applying to FEMA for Grant to

[1:13:11] elevate applying to the to FEA for Grants excuse me to elevate your house

[1:13:16] we have some grant information uh in packets over here I don't Gr stuff has a

[1:13:22] city applied yet because we can't apply

[1:13:32] before so Our Town Administrator was going to address these questions that

[1:13:38] came up so I'll do the best that I can to answer your question um the town did

[1:13:44] apply for FMA grants we filed our letter of intent so that has been done I have

[1:13:52] not been informed that the letter of intent was approved but I think the

[1:13:57] reason why that is is because the governor was working with FEMA to create

[1:14:03] a new program which is what is being called Elevate Florida the premise with

[1:14:10] Elevate Florida is that residents can go directly

[1:14:16] to the directly to FEMA without having the municipality town city county as the

[1:14:25] man or liaison or supporter so that I would focus on Elevate Florida you can

[1:14:33] Google it to get additional information but based on our last commission meeting

[1:14:39] Wednesday night we gave direction to the staff to continue to Advocate and apply

[1:14:46] for other grants that are available so it is our intent to participate in the

[1:14:53] grant process but understand in order for us to do that we have to have

[1:14:58] Staffing and or outside Consultants to help us management manage it because

[1:15:05] when we deal with federal grants it's extremely laborious and there's a lot of

[1:15:10] red tape that we have to follow for the meantime please look at what we have

[1:15:15] available for the grants here also pelis County website is a great

[1:15:22] resource um for property information grant information I do know that our

[1:15:29] staff is going to have a meeting uh next week with pelis County Economic

[1:15:35] Development so we'll see what evolves from that so yes to answer the question

[1:15:41] we are working on grants my wife already contacted Elevate Florida and she

[1:15:47] couldn't be here today so I don't know what the issue was but she said she ran

[1:15:51] into problems that basically made the whole thing work with that she wasn't

[1:15:56] able to get anywhere with it I'm really sorry to hear that I what that tells me

[1:16:01] is we need a liaison to help our residents navigate through and maybe

[1:16:07] pelis county has a liaison and I'm just not aware of it but that's something we

[1:16:11] can look into all right thank

[1:16:16] you substantial damage did is not based on how much damage is on the buing like

[1:16:25] and inside out it's based on the cost and if you go with the cost the cost

[1:16:32] that before the cost that insurance companies

[1:16:36] agree to pay and the cost that actually the

[1:16:41] contractor they want you to pay them is totally three different numbers if you

[1:16:48] go with the cost of the insurance companies I all the houses I think can

[1:16:53] there or what cost that insurance company takes to for

[1:16:59] house to fix your damages is very low okay very low of course because that's

[1:17:05] what they're going to pay out exactly so so this L structure damage is based on

[1:17:11] the cost that's evaluable is not based on actually what is the D establish that

[1:17:17] I totally 100% the yes ma'am um in in regards to the appeals if your

[1:17:22] replacement comes in is he going to be just diligent about appeals do we hope I

[1:17:27] sure hope so more diligent than I am because very reasonable and diligent

[1:17:31] about it I think the concern is if somebody replaces you where the appeals

[1:17:36] end up hope hopefully they'll they'll work at it and be as passion about it as

[1:17:41] I am I can't you know again if I had a crystal ball or the ability

[1:17:46] to predict the future I probably wouldn't be standing here definitely be

[1:17:51] sitting on a boat out in the uh keys somewhere fishing yes sir

[1:17:55] so can you clarify the difference between my insurance company says your

[1:18:02] damages are this and this is this is what uh you

[1:18:07] get as I understand that has absolutely nothing to do with get your

[1:18:11] substantially damaged letter appeal it come in with your contractor cost you

[1:18:16] see those numbers you approve or deny based on that has absolutely nothing to

[1:18:21] do what the insurance company I do not care about your insurance company one

[1:18:25] bit their job is to pay you as little as they possibly can and maximize the

[1:18:30] premiums you pay I do not care about your with respect

[1:18:34] complet care about your insurance compan care about making sure your home is safe

[1:18:38] secure sanitary for you your family and the people who live there after you and

[1:18:43] the people who live there after that right so I I can get as much money as I

[1:18:46] can out of the insurance company seate ball game over there versus what I'm do

[1:18:51] with you two more questions we're almost at 10:30 we otted about an hour uh well

[1:18:56] we allotted two hours we have to clean up time so I'm going to take two more

[1:18:59] questions yes sir in the back I apologize if you've covered this already

[1:19:04] but is there a time limit to complete once you've received your build back um

[1:19:12] permit so your permit will expire in 180 days you'll need to you'll either need

[1:19:18] to complete within 6 months or file for an extension which would give you maybe

[1:19:22] another 90 days um um before permit expiration okay one more question yes

[1:19:29] ma'am do you have like an outline to help yes yes we do we actually have one

[1:19:37] it's on our website again Nancy sitting next to you she did the most amazing

[1:19:43] work uh very early on in the process we sat together um because she she's very

[1:19:49] thorough very detail oriented uh she provided an excellent template which

[1:19:53] you'll find on our website just a be it's beautiful uh it's a

[1:19:58] beautiful template and if you'll follow that um she separated each item material

[1:20:05] labor to install uh where you can provide again material costs how much it

[1:20:10] cost to install item by item um down to the carpet fibers I mean she she it was

[1:20:16] an amazing template it's it's on our website yes

[1:20:21] ma'am okay that was that's the last question folks listen

[1:20:25] our building department is open 8: to 4:30 Monday through Friday we're

[1:20:30] responding to questions we're constantly on the phon we're taking face Toof face

[1:20:35] meetings at the window I sit with people as much as I reasonably can uh again I

[1:20:40] told you early I restricted that uh late this week so that I could focus on

[1:20:44] getting Letters Out uh but I'll pick that up again next week so that I can

[1:20:49] deal with you on your individual concerns and issues we're not here to

[1:20:54] make make you tear down your house that's not what we're

[1:20:59] doing I don't want you to have to do that I will do everything I can to

[1:21:03] prevent you from doing that if we finally end up in a situation where we

[1:21:07] don't have a choice but to tear down an Elevate I'm going to make that as

[1:21:11] painless as possible for you so far I've not run into that and we've seen some

[1:21:17] stuff that would just blow your mind at how bad the structure Behind the Walls

[1:21:23] is we're we found ways to get that corrected so that people don't have to

[1:21:28] knock down their homes

Town of Redington Shores Building Department Informational Meeting 1/11/2025

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