[0:00] No my 5 foot 2 frame was not quite made for basketball.

[0:05] OK, we'll call the meeting to order.

[0:07] The Redmond city council.

[0:10] And first item is 1,200 acres.

[0:12] I think I sent everyone a memo just this morning.

[0:16] But anyway, where I was left off from last week's joint meeting

[0:22] with the commissioners was kind of up in the air.

[0:27] So I'm hoping that the council would ask the County to take

[0:32] over the project in terms of funding something in 26, 27

[0:36] to keep it moving forward.

[0:39] I do think it's a good project for Redman.

[0:44] The one.

[0:47] Return on investment that I could see that makes

[0:49] sense out of the 1,200 acres.

[0:52] Is that a percentage of any proceeds of sales

[0:54] of the property by the County would go into infrastructure

[1:00] in the Redmond community, particularly

[1:02] improving the crappy County roads we end up inheriting.

[1:08] So obviously there's miles and miles to go on that,

[1:12] but I would hope that we would encourage the County

[1:15] to proceed with that.

[1:17] But I'll throw it open to you guys

[1:19] for interested investors and the development

[1:22] of the 1,200 acres County.

[1:24] Just the County.

[1:25] There's no third party.

[1:27] They're going to self develop.

[1:28] No, no.

[1:29] I mean how they do it is up to them.

[1:33] They're the owner of the properties.

[1:37] Whether they hire a contractor like that stuff in Phoenix.

[1:41] And there's a whole thing at once

[1:43] or whether they piecemeal that's going to be up to the County.

[1:45] Do we not have any concerns that they're going to take, maybe

[1:48] like the design or plans that was presented

[1:51] to us with the curvy roads and the non straight streets,

[1:54] and master plan it that way and hand it back because that's

[1:56] the path of least resistance now that it's there, instead of I

[2:00] mean, I have no problem in the future getting the County

[2:04] to do a master plan annexation.

[2:06] But who designs that master plan.

[2:08] Is that going to fall to the County then.

[2:10] It has to.

[2:11] It's their property.

[2:12] And that concerns me because I don't as the Redmond city

[2:16] council, that we want the County deciding

[2:20] what our roads and infrastructure

[2:22] are going to be in that area.

[2:24] I mean, it's still a land use application to the city.

[2:27] And working with Nick and Peter Kotowski

[2:30] on this from the County planning department,

[2:32] they are totally interested in having the city's, I'll call it

[2:36] imperator on this property, be really the driving force on it,

[2:41] but it's a County property they're

[2:43] going to have to fund however it goes forward, because it's

[2:48] not a city project.

[2:50] Now, there's all kinds of possibilities

[2:53] that we do a joint venture with the County on it,

[2:56] but I don't think we're interested in doing

[2:58] it at this juncture because we got enough on our plate.

[3:01] Exactly I think we were pretty clear that we didn't when we

[3:05] spoke about this in our goals, that it wasn't something

[3:07] to add to the 2026 plan.

[3:11] I don't have a problem asking the County to take it on.

[3:13] I fear that the County taking it on is not productive.

[3:20] And now you're turning something over to them that wouldn't it

[3:24] be better to wait till 2028 and then do a joint venture

[3:27] or something, but to plan it out in the future

[3:29] where there's good oversight as to what we're bringing

[3:34] into our city as part of what Redmond looks

[3:36] like, as opposed to what the County decides what we need.

[3:39] So one option.

[3:42] Makes some sense is we'll have five commissioners next year.

[3:47] In 2027.

[3:49] That might be the appropriate time

[3:51] to start working on some type of joint venture on it

[3:53] to have some funding from the County

[3:55] and the 2728 budget cycle.

[3:59] That would make some sense to me.

[4:00] And there's a land use change here that they have to go for.

[4:04]

[4:08] The original idea was the more you get this

[4:11] to where this is a great plan, the more it's easier to sell to.

[4:18] Legislators say it makes total sense

[4:20] to bring this in as one unit into the UTB, which is totally

[4:26] outside the box for the LCD.

[4:29] And I get that.

[4:30] I just default back to the County

[4:32] as that one person to do that.

[4:35] Even if we had five people there,

[4:37] what we're looking at right now is 3 to four of them,

[4:41] without that level of legislative competence

[4:43] or negotiation skills.

[4:45] I mean, they're new.

[4:45] They're going to walk into this thing brand new

[4:47] and learning everything as they go.

[4:50] I don't know.

[4:52] I don't know.

[4:53] I guess the County should take it over.

[4:54] We have no bandwidth or time, but are they

[4:57] the right entity for now, or do we want

[4:59] to wait and have a say later.

[5:03] That's the hard part for me.

[5:04] I don't think I feel like we're pushing it forward so we can say

[5:07] that it's there without looking at what that could end up being

[5:10] and built our standards.

[5:12] Yeah, I said like I said at the joint meeting,

[5:16] I finally I get why it's such an attractive project.

[5:22] My fear is we are strictly from an experience standpoint.

[5:30] We are going to be looking at four County

[5:32] commissioners, maybe two of which

[5:36] will have had any experience with land use.

[5:38] You'd have if Commissioner Bowen is reelected,

[5:42] he's got some experience and Commissioner

[5:43] Chang isn't up for reelection.

[5:45] Those are the only two land use experience.

[5:47]

[5:50] Commissioner Chang has not expressed

[5:52] any interest in doing this.

[5:54] He still wants to piecemeal the West Side one at a time.

[5:57] Didn't show any interest in the East side.

[6:00] Didn't show any interest in the West Side

[6:01] because he can't quite figure out that we

[6:03] could do two things at once.

[6:06] And my fear is, if we pointed out to them, hey,

[6:10] we've got this great opportunity for you, they may screw it up,

[6:16] for lack of a better term.

[6:17] I mean, I think that is my concern.

[6:20] It's like, what conceptually that is a good idea,

[6:24] but it's not one we're ready for and we're

[6:26] handing it over to the least qualified drivers.

[6:28] I don't want to let my kids redecorate my living room,

[6:31] I guess.

[6:32] I mean, the driving force on land use is not Tony.

[6:37] And to some extent Phil, it's Nick lack and Peter

[6:42] Grotowski and those people.

[6:44] And I have a lot of faith and trust in them.

[6:50] And they are from our conversations

[6:54] that been a part of.

[6:55] They're 110% behind us because they

[6:58] can see the benefit of balancing out our community

[7:03] on the East side and.

[7:07] This has been in the plans for 20 years that East side plan.

[7:11] And Nick was the one who actually

[7:14] developed that East side plan.

[7:16] I think any of us have a problem with East side development.

[7:18] I think we have a problem with the timing of East side

[7:20] development and the time frame.

[7:22] I think that's really what my biggest concerns are.

[7:25] And then, of course, again, I don't have the faith in Nick

[7:28] and Peter that you do because I don't

[7:30] have the experience with them.

[7:31] But I can take that with a grain of salt.

[7:34] So the only thing that I was thinking that would happen

[7:38] in the 2627 budget cycle, which is like 15 months out,

[7:44] is that they would do.

[7:47] An environmental assessment, which doesn't do anything

[7:51] in terms of planning.

[7:53] But it shows what some of the challenges

[7:55] would be, particularly on the fill from the dump.

[7:58]

[8:01] And any issue with homeless encampments out there.

[8:06] It doesn't change the dynamic of the plan.

[8:09] It doesn't.

[8:09] It's just an environmental assessment.

[8:13] So I guess since it is County owned property and correct me

[8:16] if I'm wrong in any statement, the reason we're still

[8:18] discussing it is for the potential in the future for it

[8:22] to be annexed into the city of Redmond as that 1,200 acres,

[8:25] correct Correct.

[8:26]

[8:30] Do we have the capacity to keep it from getting piecemeal

[8:36] if I mean, that's but I mean, in terms of annexation,

[8:40] we do as we do.

[8:43] But if the County still owns it, we don't have that.

[8:46] If you abandon that, what is that ability worth anything.

[8:50] Let me put it this way.

[8:51] If you abandon it and just say no, we're

[8:53] not going to do anything with it, it makes it more likely

[8:56] that the County is just going to do whatever they want to do.

[9:00] But, I mean, I have talked ad nauseam

[9:04] on, so I'm going to shut up.

[9:05] I think a long term, I think a study that's

[9:07] looking forward long term on it, I think is probably

[9:11] worth the conversation.

[9:13] And that just in simply in that respect, so that

[9:15] we can try to keep it together as one large section

[9:18] for future development.

[9:19] Well, and again, that has to be approved at the state level.

[9:22] So that bandwidth and that teeing up.

[9:24] So I guess next question, because you want

[9:27] to do an environmental study in 2728,

[9:30] figure out if it's feasible.

[9:33] Players will change and then we're into 2829.

[9:36] That would be when OK, we have a feasibility.

[9:39] Should we take this to the legislature

[9:40] or when do you see that happening.

[9:41] If we want 1,200 acres going to the legislature,

[9:45] 29 or 31, 29 or 31.

[9:48] OK, so with the question that John or excuse me,

[9:52] Councilor John proposed.

[9:55] Is there an opportunity and maybe

[9:57] this is a question or a KW question.

[10:00] Enter into an IgA.

[10:01] So it isn't split up.

[10:05] I would recommend I mean I think the sense

[10:09] I got from the council was a master plan for the 1,200 acres.

[10:14] Makes a lot of sense.

[10:16] Development on Northeast revenue makes sense,

[10:18] but we want to have some measure of input on it

[10:22] so they don't screw it up.

[10:24] Yeah, that's like the US hockey team did yesterday.

[10:28] That goalie was winning.

[10:30] I mean, I picture is everything.

[10:32] I think an MOU that kind of states our intent

[10:35] IgA that's above my pay grade.

[10:37] But I think just something that simply says this

[10:40] is what we're trying to do.

[10:42] And letting them dip a toe but not go so fast that you can't.

[10:47] Yeah, it's an agreement.

[10:49] We don't split it up.

[10:50] What does that look like in resources and time.

[10:53] I mean, from our standpoint and to their standpoint,

[10:56] because the goal of pushing it out was to save on the resources

[11:00] here in the city so we can get done our tasks.

[11:03] And so I'm totally OK handing off work to them.

[11:06] But by having an IgA, what does that take

[11:09] back and put back in our court.

[11:11] I'm going to shut up to.

[11:16] The IgA would lay out the goal that it's in the best interests

[11:19] of the community to have a master plan for the 1,200 acres,

[11:23] to bring it in as one unit, to develop it as a master plan

[11:27] in a form that the city and County can agree upon,

[11:31] and that certain incremental steps will

[11:34] be taken over the next two or three

[11:36] years budgeted by the County.

[11:41] And then at that point, somewhere in that 2829 time

[11:45] frame, then it would get a more serious in terms of actually

[11:51] diving in with a work plan with the planning department.

[11:56] And the planning commission as to what this animal

[11:59] is going to look like.

[12:00] OK can we do that without getting a significant to do list

[12:06] from County commissioners that are skeptical of development

[12:11] on the East side, because that was one of the comments

[12:14] that Commissioner Chang brought up was like, well,

[12:17] he wants an impact study, and he wants to see usage in a 20 year

[12:21] plan for the East side before he wants

[12:22] to entertain the West Side.

[12:23] Yeah, you can just look at East side growth.

[12:25] And I mean, that was necessary and extrapolate

[12:28] from those numbers.

[12:29] That is not complex.

[12:30] That is just lazy on his part.

[12:32] Well I mean OK.

[12:36] And my one concern is that in a five year plan that we have

[12:44] right now, we don't even have the roundabout coming through

[12:50] in 20 10th Street coming through until that time

[12:53] period you're talking about.

[12:56] And to me, those things have to be advanced or something

[13:02] to be built so that we can have something on the West Side

[13:08] especially.

[13:09] Well, I agree, and I think that would still be a lot to have

[13:15] a lot of balls in the air.

[13:16] That's right.

[13:18] East side.

[13:19] The East side is fine, but we got problems with the West Side.

[13:24] We need to make sure we get handled.

[13:27] Where are we with the wrap for the West Side.

[13:30]

[13:34] Beginning stages.

[13:36] Yeah, we started that effort a couple years ago

[13:38] and had to press pause after.

[13:40] We did a significant amount of community input,

[13:43] but we were to the point of like drafting a plan

[13:45] and coming up with different scenarios

[13:48] to then present through the adoption process

[13:51] and more community outreach.

[13:52] So, Keith, from a staffing standpoint,

[13:57] if we wanted to entertain some type of I

[14:02] guess, declaration to work with the County

[14:04] to do this, what would it look like in terms of staff time,

[14:07] in terms of capacity.

[14:09] How many windows do you have to nail shut to keep

[14:11] people from jumping out.

[14:12] I mean, depends on the scope creep.

[14:14] That's not going to drink all this month because you're

[14:16] like only on Tuesdays.

[14:17] That's my.

[14:18] I mean, that's kind of what I'm afraid of is if we go into.

[14:21] Yeah so yeah, I'm not contradicting that.

[14:25] But I mean, kind of pretty clear that I

[14:27] can't do anything on this.

[14:28] I'm not going to put any money so we can put whatever agreement

[14:31] we want together.

[14:33] And it'll be like, great, thanks.

[14:34] And then they're going to ask questions like,

[14:36] is this more of a priority than A, B and C.

[14:39] I mean I. Councilor Patrick was speaking to I

[14:46] think maybe less than that.

[14:48] I mean, I wouldn't want to see us start deciding to reserve

[14:51] infrastructure to the East side that I would

[14:54] say to the West Side, because we've

[14:55] begun to crawl forward on this.

[14:58] And I mean, so and I don't want to dedicate

[15:02] a bunch of staff time to it if they're not ready to go.

[15:07] And I think that's kind of my fear.

[15:08] Like, I would like to see us do some kind of something

[15:11] that just simply says, this is our intent,

[15:13] but I don't want them to come back with a to do list.

[15:16] If they're just playing for time and they're fine giving us busy

[15:19] work to their US and ignore us.

[15:23] And that's my fear.

[15:25] I heard they were not interested in this at all.

[15:27] That's what I heard.

[15:29] But I mean, from a policy perspective, your policy.

[15:33] And if you want to sketch a framework,

[15:36] I just don't want to see on behalf of staff,

[15:43] I just want to make sure we manage scope creep on this

[15:45] so it doesn't become crumbs that then turn into letter crumbs.

[15:49] Is there any reason that this can't just

[15:52] be a placeholder in our thought processes

[15:54] until we hit our goal session in 2027

[15:57] and then re-approach the County with it,

[15:59] then when we're getting into a longer legislative session,

[16:01] we're looking at different land use.

[16:02] I have concerns.

[16:04] I was on the Northwest group.

[16:06] That's why I left that it's not been completed because it's been

[16:08] a while since I've been on planning, but it's been a while,

[16:12] and I think that if we balance our focus on what we've approved

[16:18] as far as annexation and growth and get some

[16:20] of those infrastructure pieces done to the West Side

[16:23] organically, that will allow us to have the balance a little bit

[16:26] later to investigate the East side,

[16:29] but I think everybody wants to see

[16:32] some traction on those corridors on the West Side that

[16:35] are strained.

[16:36] And unfortunately, as we improve those corridors,

[16:39] we'll get more traffic because we'll build more homes.

[16:41] So that doesn't help with the problem

[16:43] that Ed solved by putting this together.

[16:46] And we would add to it by improving those corridors.

[16:48] It will make it more traffic and more trips and more people

[16:51] because it opens up all that annexation.

[16:54] We have an agenda today, so why don't we do this.

[16:57] I agree, let's defer to the goal session

[17:01] at the end of the year for the next council.

[17:04] Does that make sense.

[17:06] Do you want to put the piece next,

[17:08] just in case we lose people in terms of the 22 acres

[17:12] and there's under miscellaneous on this agenda.

[17:16] Sure go ahead.

[17:17] All right.

[17:17] So there's a discussion at 4:00.

[17:20] Josh and I have to go meet with the city of bend on Monday.

[17:25] This developer is different for her, and he had met with staff

[17:31] and wanted to die.

[17:33] And I guess I'm looking at both you and I agree it has better

[17:35] knowledge to 5.0.82 acres.

[17:39] OK, OK.

[17:41] Yeah so this is a project where Randy lives

[17:44] just South of his property.

[17:46] There's that long, narrow piece goes out to the Canyon rim.

[17:50] They want to put some cluster development up there.

[17:53] They owned 0.82 acres in the County.

[17:57] I met with Vicente last week sometime.

[18:02] The discussion was on the 0.2 acres.

[18:05] I think they had originally asked the city to buy it.

[18:08] I said, well, might make some sense is if they deeded that 0.2

[18:12] acres, which is right next to the bulb fields,

[18:15] and got a credit for their park SDCS

[18:18] just on that development, that would make some sense to me.

[18:21] And I think having an incentive of having people deed property

[18:25] in the Canyon to the city.

[18:27] Rather than having that mix of private ownership

[18:29] and city ownership down there long term makes sense.

[18:33] So that was the nature of the discussion.

[18:35] And then the complexity.

[18:36] All I can do is introduce it because it's not in the park's

[18:39] master plan and not a project.

[18:41] So you would have to amend it to help this individual.

[18:49] And, and I mean, so it's complex.

[18:53] And what area do you have a little bit more background on.

[18:58] If you want to lay out just the objective pieces and then

[19:01] council can discuss it.

[19:03] Yeah I'll take it a little bit larger

[19:06] than just this one property.

[19:08] So in our land use or in our 2040 plan,

[19:15] as well as in all of our policies and how land use

[19:17] works within or on the Canyon rim, a lot of the property.

[19:23] There's setbacks, the fencing requirements, setbacks.

[19:26] At 10 feet, there's structural setbacks at 25.

[19:29] And what that is to do is to protect the Canyon

[19:33] and as a community asset.

[19:35] So no development can happen.

[19:37] So every time we have a development

[19:38] that happens on the Canyon rim with contractors

[19:42] or with developers, the request is that piece of property that's

[19:46] from the Canyon rim into the Canyon floor

[19:48] that they might own, the city would pay for those things.

[19:53] But when we have previous negotiations with them,

[19:57] it's protected already.

[19:59] And so our negotiations are that you

[20:02] can gift this piece of property, because although I might think

[20:06] it's priceless when it comes to a development,

[20:10] it's useless land because it's protected

[20:14] underneath our land use things.

[20:16] So one of the developers on the Canyon,

[20:22] requesting that the piece of property,

[20:24] it's 0.82 acres that he would then that would be protected

[20:29] open space that the city would pay for that.

[20:34] And so the negotiations that we've had so far between myself,

[20:37] James and Vicente is no, it's not

[20:41] part of our parks master plan.

[20:42] It's protected land already as per policy.

[20:45] And so you're welcome to donate this to the city.

[20:49] We'll take over liability.

[20:50] We'll take over maintenance.

[20:52] And in exchange for your donation,

[20:54] we will provide a receipt of donations.

[20:57] So usually it's a tax credit letter.

[21:00] So deduction deduction.

[21:02] Yeah I say credit but it's a tax deduction letter

[21:06] that they can use one time.

[21:08] And so then leading up to this yeah it went to the mayor.

[21:14] And here we are with the conversation.

[21:17] So this is actually yeah this is the property.

[21:20] This is where the puppies live, or Randy povey.

[21:23] And then here's the piece that they're talking about.

[21:25] We're specifically talking about 25 from the rim

[21:29] into the Canyon floor.

[21:31]

[21:33] And how many homes do you want to put there.

[21:36] And he's putting cottage units or planning

[21:39] to put cottage units.

[21:40] 16 of them.

[21:41] 16 Yeah.

[21:42] From here.

[21:43] That way.

[21:43]

[21:46] It's another one of those projects that.

[21:48] Oh, yeah, it is, I would think of but.

[21:54] I don't care.

[21:54] I mean, it's just that was the thought that crossed my mind,

[21:57] but it's just more of a fairness issue

[22:03] of what you do with these property

[22:05] that people own in the Canyon.

[22:07] But you do get this request probably three or four times

[22:11] a year, about how we can make it work.

[22:14] The most recent one was, I want to say,

[22:16] the land use with high desert, seven acres.

[22:20] Their annexation is what they ended up gifting the city.

[22:25] So it wouldn't be a one off, actually.

[22:28] But if we change the parks master

[22:29] plan and made this arrangement for one person.

[22:34] All right, I'd just.

[22:36] When we drop it, it's just embryonic thought

[22:39] in a conversation.

[22:42] Did I desert actually did that to the city.

[22:47] It's part of the.

[22:48] They're deeding it to the city.

[22:49] Part of their land use.

[22:50] I thought they said they were going to have

[22:51] the HOA take care of it.

[22:53] Yeah they haven't.

[22:54] I had preliminary discussions with them

[22:56] and they said they entertained.

[22:57] They would look into it, but I haven't heard.

[22:59] Yeah, we suggested it.

[23:01] Yeah OK.

[23:04] Anything else on that.

[23:06] No no.

[23:12] OK that'll make it better.

[23:15] A few statements here.

[23:18] So for three, just to let the executive committee of Core 3

[23:24] is going to recommend to the full board of Core three

[23:27] to stop any further discussions.

[23:29]

[23:32] Having them come to the city just seems weird to me,

[23:36] because they would have to file a land use application

[23:39] with the city and having the council say, oh yeah,

[23:42] we're all for it.

[23:43] We're just disqualify the council from ever hearing it.

[23:47] So I would like core three take care of it

[23:49] first and see what happens.

[23:51]

[23:54] OK anyone have any questions on that Central Oregon

[24:00] irrigation district piping.

[24:02] So we finally got the environmental impact statement.

[24:06] They're going to remove from the aquifer

[24:11] 14 billion gallons of water a year

[24:14] basically right under Redmond and just South

[24:17] of Redmond, which will have a significant impact

[24:20] on our ability to get water in the future.

[24:24] These are going to meet with John and Craig.

[24:28] Craig oral us next week when you get back.

[24:34] So I mean to me it's kind of an existential threat to the city.

[24:41] So any questions on that.

[24:45] No I mean I in our experience would not use that as that's why

[24:50] your water table is falling.

[24:51] They would put it back on us as overuse and be more stringent.

[24:54] So yeah, I think it's something you need to look at.

[24:57] And I guess my theory is we're not against the piping per se.

[25:01] We're against the diversion of that 14 billion gallons of water

[25:04] to Jefferson County.

[25:06] It's like taking our water and shipping it elsewhere.

[25:10] And we asked them about the piping

[25:12] when they like six or seven years ago.

[25:15] And it was an idea and they're like,

[25:17] there'll be a little bit of artificial what do you call it.

[25:22] Removal of artificial.

[25:24] Yeah, that goes away.

[25:26] But it was very minimal.

[25:28] That's what I was going to ask because the piping would

[25:30] not be 14 billion gallons.

[25:32] Yeah, yeah.

[25:33] And this is why the tribes have talked informally about wanting

[25:36] to get an updated study on the impact of piping,

[25:39] to be able to have a more comprehensive water

[25:41] conversation, which some folks aren't

[25:44] that interested in finding out.

[25:47] But the innie, the infiltration of water.

[25:50] Yeah no, it's so one option that Owen is looking at

[25:56] and Josh and I have talked about is an artificial recharge

[25:59] of taking that 14 billion gallons, or at least most of it

[26:03] maybe, and send some to Jefferson County, but most of it

[26:06] being recharged back into the aquifer, which is kind of tricky

[26:09] because you want to make sure you

[26:11] don't contaminate the aquifer.

[26:14] So there's a lot going on in that thing.

[26:16] Artificially recharge from the pipeline.

[26:19] Curious pressurized pipeline.

[26:23] Yeah It would have to be taken out

[26:26] like before it goes into pipe and sends

[26:29] somewhere for recharge.

[26:32] At least, I think.

[26:32] But we'll talk to Owen about it.

[26:34] Talk to Jason.

[26:35]

[26:38] That's all.

[26:39] OK Kyle, you want to talk a little about the work.

[26:42] Your department's work plan for 2016?

[26:44] Sure OK.

[26:45]

[26:48] Handing out.

[26:49] But we also have it here on this screen.

[26:51] This is just kind of a check in with council last month

[26:53] at the planning commission.

[26:55] We presented this planning division work plan.

[26:57] And the idea here this is obviously not everything

[26:59] that planning division is working on,

[27:01] but these are the items that will basically

[27:03] come before planning commission and then

[27:05] subsequently to city council.

[27:07] So just really quickly this looks probably a little

[27:09] familiar to last year's plan.

[27:11] But for our private development applications,

[27:14] these are the ones that would go to a hearing.

[27:16] These are the ones that we know of right now.

[27:18] And that's going to be the Redmond East gateway, which

[27:20] is about 200 acres on the East side

[27:22] of town, industrial property that

[27:25] will include a master development plan

[27:26] and zone change.

[27:28] And then, of course, the North point vista project,

[27:31] that will be a planned unit development

[27:32] that will go through the hearings process

[27:34] with planning commission and city council.

[27:37] And then obviously as the year goes on more probably

[27:41] end up seeing a couple more private master development plans

[27:45] that will go through the process with planning

[27:47] commission and city council.

[27:49] The second category here is area planning, public facility

[27:53] plans and inventories.

[27:55] So some of this was a carryover from last year.

[27:58] At one point council had an interest

[28:02] in seeing this current status of our existing area

[28:06] plans, how much they're built out.

[28:07] So we're talking about the Northwest

[28:09] area plan, the highway 97 area plan,

[28:11] and the Southwest area plan.

[28:13] This would be kind of a progress report

[28:16] back to both planning commission and city council

[28:18] to see how much more lands within these areas.

[28:21] We have to go until they're fully developed.

[28:25] The housing capacity analysis.

[28:27] This is a big project that we will

[28:29] probably start in early April.

[28:31] This is a grant that we got from DLCD

[28:33] and we're working closely with the consultant.

[28:35] Corey's leading this initiative.

[28:37] But basically what this is it's essentially going to be updating

[28:40] our housing needs analysis, looking

[28:43] at the land needed to accommodate the needed

[28:46] housing for the next 20 years.

[28:48] Once we get that piece of it done,

[28:50] the subsequent piece will be housing production strategy.

[28:53] And that's going to be more like an action

[28:55] item, what is the city going to do to help

[28:58] get houses built quicker.

[29:02] So that's going to be all together.

[29:03] That'll probably be an in 1818 to possibly 24 month

[29:07] initiative, again the first piece

[29:09] of housing capacity analysis that will be starting in April.

[29:13] And obviously council and planning

[29:16] commission and the community will be really

[29:18] involved with that portion.

[29:20] There'll be a lot of outreach and a lot of data

[29:23] sorting through and whatnot, large lot

[29:26] industrial infrastructure.

[29:28] You have to follow through with what the state

[29:31] requires as far as density.

[29:33] Or can we do realistic stuff to be determined.

[29:39] Chances are when we do the housing production strategy

[29:42] again, that's when we're going to be looking at action items

[29:45] to get more housing built. We may talk

[29:48] about what we do with density.

[29:50] I don't know yet, but that could be a while beyond density.

[29:54] What about housing types.

[29:55] Because not every house that we're producing

[29:57] is for a workforce or affordable buyer.

[30:00] So we have to have all types of housing for all types

[30:02] of people that live here.

[30:03] Where does that fit into this.

[30:05] I think that's going to be the first part really is examining

[30:09] what we have on the ground now and how much land we have,

[30:13] and that will give us that good base knowledge.

[30:16] We have pushback with that knowledge.

[30:18] Then if we have all this workforce housing

[30:20] that we've just committed to.

[30:21] So now we need to maybe build some

[30:24] beyond middle housing homes that are on 6,000 square foot lots.

[30:28] I mean, that seems like a luxury today.

[30:30] So we'll just go with 6,000.

[30:34] I like that line of questioning because right now,

[30:40] if I go downtown to ask people, they're going to be

[30:43] more affordable than to do it.

[30:48] And we do build apartments all the time.

[30:53] Yeah do we track vacancy in our apartments Yes we do.

[31:01] You can get the data through American Community Survey.

[31:04] They track vacancy rates.

[31:05] Perfect thank you.

[31:06] I think one thing that I think council

[31:08] is as we go into this year and work on these plans,

[31:12] where can council begin to more exert kind of their policy ideas

[31:17] into some of these as they get developed.

[31:20] So yeah, Corey and I are working with a consultant

[31:24] right now on that scope of work, and there definitely

[31:26] is areas where council are going to need policy buy in

[31:30] and whatnot.

[31:32] And we're getting close to reviewing that now.

[31:37] But yes.

[31:40] OK I'll ask you.

[31:41] So in terms of these plans whether it's

[31:44] the capacity the capacity analysis right to build out

[31:47] and the time frames, I think it'd be helpful,

[31:50] I think for them to just build another, oh, hey,

[31:52] come May, June with a couple of these plans

[31:55] here, that's when we can really dig in

[31:57] and try and cure your preferences.

[31:59] Council and how we try to align these plans

[32:02] with your preferences as we go forward.

[32:03] I think that's just if you can give

[32:06] an idea of that trajectory to them

[32:08] today that will help them think about the upcoming year.

[32:12] And when that happens, I would certainly

[32:13] invite the planning commission members to participate in that.

[32:17] Just so we're all on the same page to the best extent,

[32:21] greatest extent possible.

[32:23]

[32:28] Can you want to hit a couple of those.

[32:30]

[32:33] So like the development applications

[32:36] when do we anticipate those going to council.

[32:40] Those will be mid-year and probably at that point

[32:46] probably a little too soon.

[32:50] Probably a little too soon before we weigh into more

[32:52] of the policy discussion as part of the housing

[32:55] capacity analysis.

[32:56]

[33:03] Is there any point on.

[33:05] And I'm going to ask it like the slow kid that I am.

[33:08] There any point on there where we get to have an opinion.

[33:11] Because that's the part where I mean,

[33:12] because it does kind of sound like

[33:13] it's just being prescribed to us and then

[33:17] as directed by the state.

[33:20] And I guess that's my question.

[33:21] And that's I think a lot of that's going to be,

[33:23] again, that housing production strategy, where right now

[33:27] the capacity analysis is basically gathering

[33:29] all the information, existing data, looking at PSU population

[33:35] numbers and the projection of the needed housing

[33:38] within the last 20 years.

[33:40] The second piece of that is going to be very policy heavy,

[33:43] and that's going to involve a lot of councils thoughts

[33:48] and on how are we going to meet the targeted needs.

[33:52] But we're going to be given the target to meet.

[33:55] We just have to decide the pain threshold.

[33:57] Yeah, a lot of it.

[33:58] Yeah what I'm hearing is a very small

[34:02] window, is what I'm hearing.

[34:05] The first half is just data collection and analysis.

[34:09]

[34:12] Windows and prisons.

[34:14] I'm actually what I was thinking that is

[34:15] like when I. When my wife says, do you want to go out to dinner.

[34:19] I say, yes.

[34:20] And I say, where do you want to go.

[34:21] And she says, it doesn't matter, but it does matter.

[34:23] I can pick anywhere I want.

[34:24] That's what she wanted to go.

[34:26] So yeah.

[34:27]

[34:30] Yeah the last three items in that second category,

[34:36] these are the large light industrial infrastructure master

[34:39] plan.

[34:39] Jessica and her team have been working on that.

[34:41] And we're getting closer to adoption phase, which.

[34:45] So we're targeting spring late spring for that.

[34:49] The West Redmond area plan, as I mentioned earlier,

[34:51] that's going to be an initiative that we pick back up.

[34:54] We had to press pause on that a couple years ago

[34:56] because we were doing the collection system master

[34:58] planning, and we had to have a better

[35:00] idea of the infrastructure needs in that part of town

[35:03] before we proceeded with the planning of that area.

[35:07] So we'll look to pick that up spring, summer and then

[35:11] parks master plan, I think.

[35:13] I don't have a timeline on that, but I think we're still

[35:16] looking to take that back to the adoption process

[35:20] sometime this year.

[35:23] I think that's a great discussion.

[35:24] I think some of the things we've looked at is we look at master

[35:27] plan updates as being ready to update

[35:28] our SDCS in order to support the projects that are in those.

[35:31] So I think there's a larger conversation at work there

[35:34] that would help fill out that line item

[35:37] and listen differently.

[35:40] But I have no comment.

[35:45]

[35:48] And then the last portion here, development code amendments

[35:53] annexation ordinance, which I'll talk about here in a little bit.

[35:56] Corey and I have been working on getting a draft ready for that.

[36:01] And then the second one, this is, for lack of better words,

[36:03] we're calling the housing in the neighborhood design package.

[36:06] This is really that comprehensive look

[36:07] into the development code.

[36:09] And when we think about the design

[36:10] and feel on how we design our neighborhoods,

[36:14] this would be the examination of basically

[36:17] all of our zoning standards.

[36:18] And so that'll be a comprehensive look with a lot

[36:22] of stakeholder involvement.

[36:24] And obviously APA will be part of that discussion,

[36:26] which is just beginning.

[36:29] And then related to that defensible space standards.

[36:32] This is around wildfire.

[36:34] This is where if you think about firewise,

[36:36] communities, and vegetation.

[36:38] And that sort of thing, sisters has

[36:39] adopted a defensible space standards

[36:42] in their development code.

[36:43] And that's becoming much more common.

[36:45] And we're working closely with Tom Mooney and the fire.

[36:48] So if we adopt something like that.

[36:51] Does it become Citywide, or can we actually

[36:53] put it in areas that are more prone to dry Canyon developments

[36:59] and things like that.

[36:59] Or it's one and done.

[37:01] It would be the entire city.

[37:03] That just helps my brain.

[37:04] That's all good.

[37:07] And then the last one, this is updating the city County

[37:10] joint management agreement.

[37:11] This is a big initiative.

[37:14] It's been on the table.

[37:15] This would really be working very closely

[37:17] with the County board of County Commissioners

[37:20] and their planning staff.

[37:21] And really, this is a joint management agreement

[37:24] on how we administer the land use regulations

[37:28] in our urban growth boundary, lands

[37:30] that have yet to be brought into the city limits.

[37:32] So that's a lot of that's procedure

[37:34] and that sort of thing.

[37:36] So that December time frame would be a good place

[37:39] to placeholder to 1,200 acres.

[37:43] Yeah I agree because we're having that conversation.

[37:47]

[37:50] One quick thing for clarification

[37:51] to last week or two weeks.

[37:55] Couple of weeks ago, excuse me, when we had the folks that

[37:59] came in and talk about updating our building code

[38:02] to include 327 of the building code, which

[38:07] is the fire firewise hardening.

[38:09] I just wanted to make it kind of clear to what is here as far as

[38:14] dispensable, defensible space.

[38:16] I can say that is more of a land use

[38:20] where the other one is building is a building code.

[38:25] We have 327 in there anywhere.

[38:27] So 327 and so that's where.

[38:30] So to answer that a little bit.

[38:33] So I've been working with Alex on 327

[38:36] right now the state is going to be

[38:40] updating the Residential Code.

[38:42] That will be something we don't have a choice on to adopt

[38:46] that will be adopted, that will be

[38:49] done by the state on October 1.

[38:52] What Alex and I were talking about,

[38:55] typically when we do discretionary code adoptions,

[38:59] we usually do a six month notification to say here,

[39:05] council will adopt this with a six month lead,

[39:09] to where it's voluntary before it comes home.

[39:12] And that gives us an opportunity for the building department

[39:16] to set up training, education over that course

[39:19] of period of time to get the builders, vendors, all of that.

[39:24] With that said, in order we thought

[39:27] it would be good that when the residential building

[39:29] code excuse me, when the.

[39:33] Yeah, the residential building code on October one

[39:36] is if we as council if you all adopt 327

[39:42] and we bring that to you in May with some public outreach

[39:48] between now and then with the builders and the vendors

[39:50] and so forth, then that we would be able to have the summer

[39:55] to educate, and then it would go into actual at the same time,

[39:59] the residential.

[40:00] So with our production builders and I actually sound like a fan

[40:04] right now, but I think to be a conscientious partner,

[40:07] they often store and stock lots of supplies, so that six month

[40:13] window may not be enough time for them to work

[40:15] through what they do have on hand,

[40:18] and may put them in a situation of having things

[40:21] that they have to dispose of that are not usable.

[40:24] I'd like to try to figure out a way not to do that,

[40:27] because that becomes non cost effective later

[40:29] for purchasers in the area.

[40:31] And I think through our outreach starting next month,

[40:35] which is a couple days from now as we start in March, as we

[40:39] with coba and all of the different folks

[40:43] start doing that outreach.

[40:45] We can identify what is that.

[40:48] What is that appropriate leg.

[40:51] And, and again, we've really looked at this.

[40:55] Alex and I have gone through that code really

[40:59] exterior siding is the primary thing that will impact builders,

[41:08] especially what I would call the lower end production builders.

[41:13] But the other night they said 2% to 3% $400.

[41:22] Would you be able to.

[41:23] And you said you looked at and said would you

[41:26] be able to come back with us and let us

[41:28] know what it's going to cost.

[41:31] Yeah and I can certainly do that.

[41:32] I will just tell you, not to get into too much detail is you will

[41:37] hear 15% to 20% from a builder.

[41:42] That would be what the cost is for just one particular element.

[41:46] An example of deciding to go from what typically they're

[41:51] using now is about a $40 piece of siding,

[41:57] and it goes up to a $50 piece of siding.

[42:00] That won't be the cost for the whole house.

[42:03] That's just a cost for one building element.

[42:05] And so they're focusing on the element, which is good to know.

[42:08] It would just be interesting to see the cost

[42:10] analysis for an entire unit.

[42:11] I do and I don't want to hurt the projection builders that

[42:14] are here and have their annexations approved

[42:16] and their buildings coming out of the ground,

[42:18] and all of a sudden now we're pulling the rug out

[42:20] from underneath them and the cost

[42:22] and prices are going to go up.

[42:24] So, like I said, intuitive to what I normally would say.

[42:27] I would like to give them some notice.

[42:32] I know we're acting strange today.

[42:34] I just don't know what to say.

[42:37] Something's in the air.

[42:38]

[42:40] Anything else.

[42:41] That's it.

[42:42] It's Juniper pollen.

[42:43] It's in the air.

[42:44] It's from my face.

[42:48] Do you want to go over the budget.

[42:50] Was there a budget or.

[42:52] Well I'll start.

[42:53] I got chief and I got Steve, who are going to talk

[42:56] about some individual items.

[42:57] So on March 10, we'll bring a pretty big budget

[43:03] adjustment request to council.

[43:06] Some of the items that I can just briefly talk about

[43:10] is the wetlands complex.

[43:13] With this good weather, we are really doing well out there,

[43:18] but we need to bring about 7 million of that project

[43:22] into the budget that we had planned for in next year.

[43:25] So yeah, so we have a loan obviously, that we

[43:30] can draw on for that project.

[43:33] The other one, and we had this in our five year CIP,

[43:36] a couple weeks ago with the council.

[43:39] The East side arterial council's been approving those GMPs.

[43:44] I think a year ago we were at 38 million

[43:47] and now we're showing at 42 million.

[43:50] That's all in that CIP.

[43:51] But we need to adjust the budget a little bit for that.

[43:56] Yeah so you don't get paid for a million this year.

[43:59] All right.

[43:59] So is that because of the addition

[44:02] of the airport way in 19.

[44:05] Yeah, there's.

[44:06] Well, that one was assumed.

[44:08] I think it's just the complexity of the project.

[44:12] We had to buy some land, those sorts

[44:15] of things that were as we get into these GMPs,

[44:18] we're truing it up.

[44:21] The top tracer will have to adjust the budget.

[44:23] Council's already approved that.

[44:25] And then I think, Steve, we're going

[44:27] to go to you on the one item.

[44:29] So I'll tee it up with and I have

[44:32] at the end of these two presentations we can

[44:34] talk about how much is left.

[44:36] But basically, we've had that 4.4 million

[44:39] from the public safety savings.

[44:43] Now there is 2.4 million left.

[44:48] If we get the North point utilities back with land sales,

[44:51] we'll have 3.3 million left.

[44:55] So we expect that most likely in the next three years,

[44:58] probably some next year.

[45:01] But we've got two items to talk about.

[45:04] The first one is the desert rise in 17th Street cleanup.

[45:09] So I'm going to give it to Steve OK.

[45:13] Devin and I will tag team a little bit on this,

[45:15] but obviously as we're getting close to well,

[45:20] the managed camp is generally done with construction

[45:24] pending a few punch list items.

[45:27] And as I think it's been presented last week,

[45:31] we're looking I think it's Friday,

[45:33] Thursday or Friday this week.

[45:36] The RFP comes in regarding operators, as been mentioned

[45:42] in the conversations, is the County has

[45:45] already what I would call a soft closure

[45:50] on some of the DSL property.

[45:51] When I say closure, notifying folks,

[45:54] not saying you must be out yet, but say,

[45:56] hey, don't settle in too much, don't

[46:00] set up new encampments here because we're

[46:02] going to be moving.

[46:03] You don't want to move twice.

[46:04] And they've already started helping assisting

[46:08] the relocation of that.

[46:11] With that in mind, we are also are very aware

[46:16] of the amount over the course of the last 18 months,

[46:21] the amount of new residents on the desert rise

[46:24] property, it's sort of exploded.

[46:27] I believe we have about 40 encampments

[46:30] right now when I first started here,

[46:34] we had about 10 encampments.

[46:37] That's only been a year.

[46:38] So it's really.

[46:40] How many of these are creeping from.

[46:42] Bend is bend is closed down.

[46:44] I know that there's been a few.

[46:48] Obviously, Natalie is one who kind of has been able to track

[46:51] a little bit, and Devin might be able to speak what his team has

[46:55] seen, but there has been a few that we know of and some of them

[46:59] I couldn't tell you where they came from.

[47:02] But with all that said, with the managed camp coming online,

[47:08] and really that's the Nexus for us to start moving folks off

[47:13] and some other instances that I'll let the chief talk to you

[47:16] about is some of the concerns that PD has with why we need

[47:21] to make this kind of a sooner than later aspect of clearing

[47:27] out desert rise in 17th Street.

[47:29] So I'm going to kick it to you, Devin,

[47:31] if that's appropriate time just for my knowledge

[47:33] or anybody is does it rise.

[47:37] Yes I would call the office.

[47:40] Thank you.

[47:42] I'm just trying to figure out direction

[47:43] of where does it rises.

[47:46] South of midline.

[47:49] So here's midline right there.

[47:52] And this is desert rise.

[47:57] This 40 acres right here.

[48:00] Yeah right there.

[48:03] Yeah so yeah.

[48:06] So that area in the 17th Street.

[48:08] So just to build on what Steve Shane said,

[48:11] we're wanting to learn to take a more proactive approach.

[48:14] As we talked about with County, completing one job.

[48:21] Sorry this is a lot.

[48:23]

[48:27] OK, so it's two pages.

[48:30] Oh, no, I. Can't pass out paper today.

[48:37] He's missing his heart.

[48:38] Does anyone else need anything.

[48:41] I should take off.

[48:43] Keep going.

[48:45] So anyways, I know we're pressed for time, but.

[48:48] So, yeah, we're going to take a proactive approach that you

[48:50] already kind of got the background

[48:52] with what County started doing.

[48:53] And so obviously we've had it's not a secret.

[48:58] We've had multiple shootings out there.

[49:01] And we're concerned again with this increase of population

[49:05] moving back in towards the city.

[49:08] And with the Manage camp coming online,

[49:10] we want to take a proactive approach and get 17th

[49:12] Street and the area all cleared out

[49:18] and start working on that now.

[49:22] And so timeline would be we get out there and in March.

[49:26] Kind of let them know what's going on.

[49:28] Communicate with service providers.

[49:30] Start working on that outreach for the first 30 days,

[49:32] pretty much all of March, just letting them hey,

[49:34] this is coming.

[49:36] You got to worry about the camp or they

[49:39] but just reinforcing all the different resources we have

[49:44] between Bethlehem and shepherd's house, safe parking,

[49:47] manage camp, Oasis village, things like that.

[49:51] And then come in April.

[49:54] Then in April, we'll go ahead and start

[49:57] working with in-person, giving them actual handouts,

[50:02] in-person contact.

[50:04] Natalie will be back to work in April

[50:06] so she can start making contacts as well

[50:09] and trying to again let people hey,

[50:13] we're going to start moving you.

[50:15] We want everybody out of here by June 1.

[50:17] June 1 is when it's going to all be closed and cleaned.

[50:20] And we want to we'll be trying to do obviously

[50:23] some cleaning ahead of time.

[50:25] Like, we'll get dumpsters out there.

[50:27] If not only work with people, if there's a few stragglers

[50:30] left behind.

[50:31] We're not going to offer this up front, cause we don't want,

[50:33] we've been taking advantage of this before.

[50:35] But as we get closer, once we get into May,

[50:38] we start posting final notices.

[50:40] There's a handful of people out there that are like, look,

[50:42] I'm trying to go.

[50:43] I just I can't go.

[50:44] Like, I need a car battery or I need a tow,

[50:48] or I need a tire or something like that, or I need some gas.

[50:51] At that point, cost of doing business

[50:54] will take care of that to help that person get off.

[50:56] We're not going to offer that because we've

[50:59] been burned with that before.

[51:01] Ideally, if we go through the notices we'll have I said,

[51:06] we'll put may 1 be the final notice, get people moving.

[51:09] Hopefully we'll have another notice

[51:11] on May 15th with being the June 1 being

[51:15] where everyone has to be out.

[51:16] And then we'll follow that back up.

[51:18] And obviously on June one people are still haven't left

[51:21] and then we can start working on potential abatement

[51:24] warrants on criminal trespass, arrests, things like that.

[51:27] Obviously last resort.

[51:29] We're looking for compliance.

[51:30] I think we've shown a good history over the last few years

[51:33] when we've had to clear our areas of getting good compliance

[51:35] and not having to resort to that type of enforcement.

[51:40] But ideally, that's what we want to do.

[51:41] We're trying to get this done now so we don't continue to see.

[51:45] We understand it's kind of like whack-a-mole.

[51:47] You push a balloon and it goes to one side.

[51:49] But if we don't start to do this joint effort, not really

[51:52] joint effort, but do it at the same time as the County is,

[51:55] I think we're going to be behind the eight ball,

[51:57] and then we're going to move into summer,

[51:59] and then we're going to be worried about fire

[52:00] danger and things like that.

[52:02] So that's the plan.

[52:04] Yeah so so what we're here today to ask you

[52:06] one is and this is why this is on the budget,

[52:09] is we're going to jump right in here to the budget.

[52:11] But it's also obviously making sure

[52:13] you guys are comfortable with the plan

[52:15] that we just kind of laid out about how we're going to start

[52:20] again, very similar to how we've done it

[52:22] in the past with outreach through our service providers,

[52:26] with a little bit of a softer approach at the very beginning,

[52:28] making sure we are respectful, we

[52:31] are humane in the fact of giving opportunities to relocate.

[52:35] And then it becomes a much more stern enforcement

[52:38] with the goal to have folks off by one of June

[52:43] in order to do that.

[52:45] As we learn from several of these endeavors in the past,

[52:49] it doesn't come without cost.

[52:52] There's a cleanup cost, there's rehabilitation costs.

[52:55] And just the practical side of it, as Jason put on,

[53:01] we are estimating that cost.

[53:03] And we feel this is a very conservative number.

[53:06] I'd like to say we will be able to come below this number.

[53:10] But what we're looking at about $150,000,

[53:13] and that is a combination of the outreach in the beginning,

[53:18] getting signage up, getting notification and that outreach,

[53:22] obviously getting similar to what we did on the core

[53:25] three property with the County.

[53:27] What we did on Sixth and Umatilla,

[53:29] setting up the dumpsters out there to help us get people

[53:33] to put stuff in the dumpsters to get stuff cleared up,

[53:37] knowing that we will have a significant impact of solutions

[53:42] and towing, that we will have to have

[53:44] abandoned stuff and the stuff that's left behind

[53:47] and that is costly.

[53:49] And then the other thing that you will also see on there

[53:52] is then we have the opportunity.

[53:54] How do we keep people from coming back on

[53:56] and continually chasing them.

[53:59] And it's the opportunity to actually get

[54:00] that desert rise property in a condition

[54:03] and in a marketable condition.

[54:06] And that includes things of actually getting a sign up

[54:08] there that talks about this property is available

[54:12] and working with Steve and others to help really

[54:17] start marketing that in line with what's

[54:19] happening with the DSL property immediately to the Middle East.

[54:23] And creating some demarcations out there to make it's

[54:26] different.

[54:27] It's not just out in the dirt.

[54:29] It's actually part of that industrial zone out there.

[54:33] So there is a lot bit of cost.

[54:35] The only thing else I would say is you'll see a cost of 17th

[54:38] Street striping we will be doing with

[54:42] our Northpointe contractor, 17th Street from maple to Kingwood.

[54:46] That is already planned to be striped with bike lanes

[54:51] on both sides of the road.

[54:52] Bike striped street with bike lanes

[54:55] does not accommodate parking, and it would make sense

[54:59] because it's the same basically connection of that road all

[55:02] the way to I believe it's Greenwood where

[55:04] dead ends to the South, 17 dead ends

[55:10] into this desert rice property.

[55:12] We would continue that striping and that no parking

[55:15] along that section as well.

[55:17] And we would make that as part of the contractors.

[55:19] We'd add that onto the contractor

[55:21] so it could be done most efficiently on that.

[55:27] So that gets to that gets to where Jason started

[55:32] off the money side of it.

[55:33] We just wanted to obviously let you

[55:36] guys know how we're going to do is make sure

[55:38] that this approach is reasonable and meet

[55:42] your guys' expectations.

[55:43] And with that, I'll stop talking.

[55:45] Question yes.

[55:45] Where are you moving to.

[55:48] Well, what you'll see on that first map

[55:50] where it says green zone, that is,

[55:52] the area in which the County has is basically relocating people.

[55:57] We won't actively say go here, we'll just say

[56:02] you can't go in the red zone.

[56:04] They will most likely be moving into that green zone.

[56:09] That would be my.

[56:10]

[56:14] That's right.

[56:15] Well yeah, we're telling them the red zone is we're

[56:20] telling you can't go there.

[56:22] If we tell someone go here, then we're responsible.

[56:25] If something happens to them, if they go there.

[56:27] But what we can do is say can't go to these other places,

[56:31] and then we're not responsible if something

[56:33] happens to them someplace else.

[56:36] Can't from.

[56:40] So there's.

[56:44] Yeah we can prevent it with it.

[56:45] Yeah we can prevent it within reason.

[56:49] I mean we can't if somebody just lays down for it takes a nap.

[56:53] We can't say you need to get out of here, but we can.

[56:56] So you can't live here, right.

[56:58] It's been.

[56:59] And I'm just using him as an example

[57:01] because I've seen him or her.

[57:03] I haven't slowed down, but there for several days.

[57:07] And so I can remove those people.

[57:10] Yeah so.

[57:12] And they do.

[57:13] I know that our officers are out there moving people along

[57:15] that maybe they just haven't encountered,

[57:18] or maybe they're not there when they are.

[57:20] I wasn't concerned about that one.

[57:21] I was just thinking in general.

[57:23] In general.

[57:24] Yeah so the manager.

[57:26] Yes, sir.

[57:28] There is the way that I understand it.

[57:31] And maybe you have more up to date information,

[57:33] but the last information I had as of Thursday,

[57:37] there was one submission and several no

[57:39] thank yous for the RFP.

[57:42]

[57:45] What happens to this budget and this plan

[57:48] if there isn't a qualified entity to run the management.

[57:52] Yeah and so the conversation to be determined,

[57:56] however the conversation is there.

[58:00] The County is aware that we're not

[58:02] going to build this managed camp and not

[58:05] open up this managed camp.

[58:06] It may be an interim solution.

[58:09] Such as a security and a manager.

[58:14] Not necessarily a lot of case management.

[58:16] A lot of that stuff in order to stand it up.

[58:21] As we continue to work on some of that case management program,

[58:26] I actually just had a conversation with Natalie

[58:28] today off the clock to as far as what

[58:35] some of the practicalities she sees,

[58:38] it was actually quite encouraging about how she feels.

[58:41] It could be done pretty.

[58:44] It doesn't have to be overly complicated.

[58:47] So there is some options.

[58:50] If we don't we'll look like something no matter what OK.

[58:53] And does that meet the criteria to say you don't have to go home

[58:57] but you can't stay here.

[58:58] Yes it's not like the old Martin v Boise days

[59:01] where it was one for one.

[59:03] It's now you have to be reasonable in your approach.

[59:05] Yeah OK.

[59:11] Any other questions on budget adjustments.

[59:14] Nope we got one more.

[59:16] One more.

[59:16] Oh, we got more.

[59:19] Speed up.

[59:19] Jason it's for speed up.

[59:23] Yeah so here I come back to all of you again.

[59:28] We're going through a five year.

[59:29] We're going through next year budget forecast

[59:31] and 5 year budget forecast.

[59:33] We started looking at things that

[59:34] had been on the five year that were coming

[59:36] up this year or next year.

[59:37] And we're trying to figure out, looking at the budget, what

[59:41] might be a good way of trying to get some of these items acquired

[59:47] before the next year or 2, or maybe it's

[59:49] going to end up helping us be able to reallocate

[59:52] those other dollars for something different.

[59:54] And so while we were going through this,

[59:56] we had the idea of budget adjustment

[59:59] using some of those savings to offset some of these costs.

[1:00:03] So to go through the list evidence van.

[1:00:05] We put that on about four years ago.

[1:00:08] Currently, when we do large search warrants,

[1:00:10] our detectives are working a major crime.

[1:00:12] We're usually taking things back.

[1:00:13] Either we'd have to use one or two CSOs

[1:00:16] and load up a couple of our CISO trucks.

[1:00:19] We have to go grab our training utility

[1:00:22] trailer, which has all our training gear in it,

[1:00:24] and then try to put evidence in that.

[1:00:26] And we have the detectives just loading up their detective cars

[1:00:30] with stuff.

[1:00:31] So we've talked about this for a while.

[1:00:32] We just honestly haven't really had it in the budget.

[1:00:35] We've had it for the 2026 27 fiscal year.

[1:00:40] But we knew, again, looking at that next year's budget,

[1:00:43] we're probably going to have to get pushed out another year.

[1:00:46] And so we wanted to bring that forward and see

[1:00:48] if we could get that done, because obviously

[1:00:51] we're having more major cases.

[1:00:54] We're seeing more of a need for the evidence.

[1:00:57] And then with the evidence, now that we can't take our evidence

[1:01:02] over to Salem anymore, the evidence that

[1:01:05] needs to be destroyed.

[1:01:07] There's a potential.

[1:01:07] They're going to have to start making trips up to Spokane

[1:01:10] to get that destroyed.

[1:01:12] And so I want them to have a vehicle that is obviously going

[1:01:15] to be able to make that trip, as well as take all the evidence

[1:01:18] they need all in one fell swoop.

[1:01:21] So we've got the evidence van on there.

[1:01:22] That's the ask for that.

[1:01:25] So radio I know we just talked about doing portable radios,

[1:01:28] and we're working on trying to finalize

[1:01:31] if we're going to go with Harris or Motorola on those.

[1:01:34] We're waiting to see how that goes for our radios,

[1:01:36] portable radios.

[1:01:37] These are in-car radios.

[1:01:39] Some of our in-car radios are older, need to be replaced.

[1:01:43] And then that also that's 19 of them

[1:01:45] and then five new vehicles we anticipate getting

[1:01:48] online over the next two years.

[1:01:50] So this is essentially what we projected

[1:01:53] for fiscal year 2627 and 2728.

[1:01:57] Kind put that together.

[1:01:59] And that should you'll see on the next line item as well.

[1:02:02] Once we get our new portable radios purchased.

[1:02:04] That wasn't for every.

[1:02:05] That wasn't enough to get every person

[1:02:07] in the Department a radio.

[1:02:08] It was to get every police officer and Detective radio.

[1:02:12] But this would allow us to get all of our staff,

[1:02:15] including our non-sworn, our CSOs.

[1:02:19] And then also have some spares for when ones go down

[1:02:21] or as we continue to hopefully grow and hire people.

[1:02:25] So that next slide line item for additional portable radios.

[1:02:28] And like I said, those are both trying

[1:02:29] to look at next fiscal year 2627 and 2728 forecasts.

[1:02:36] When it comes to drones.

[1:02:37] Drones have gone up a lot because the one the main reason

[1:02:42] was we used to be able to get them

[1:02:43] from different makers out of China,

[1:02:45] and we can't do that anymore.

[1:02:47] So now the American Made drones cost a lot more money.

[1:02:50] And so looking at what the drone program, what they need

[1:02:55] to replace their older drones and to get drones

[1:02:57] that are going to be able to.

[1:02:59] You, I guess a variety like we have.

[1:03:03] We'll have a couple of different drones.

[1:03:05] One, we have our larger drones and we can fly up.

[1:03:07] They have a larger battery life.

[1:03:10] They can get up and they can stay

[1:03:11] up in flight for up to 30 minutes at a time, a lot more

[1:03:14] than the 10 to 15 that our current ones can do.

[1:03:16] If we're doing that, then we're not

[1:03:17] having to bring them back and land

[1:03:19] and replace batteries as much when we're on,

[1:03:21] like a critical incident.

[1:03:22] So just improves that officer safety for working a large,

[1:03:27] either a large crime scene or maybe we have

[1:03:29] a large motor vehicle crash.

[1:03:32] We always can fly the drones up and try

[1:03:34] to get a nice overview and a good outline

[1:03:37] for our crime scene mapping.

[1:03:39] And then this also includes smaller drones where we can

[1:03:43] get them to fly inside houses.

[1:03:46] So when we have somebody who's barricaded and won't come out,

[1:03:48] we can get these drones that can fly inside

[1:03:49] again, longer battery life.

[1:03:51] Also, they've got the different capabilities

[1:03:53] of infrared heat sink, heat sensors and things like that.

[1:03:59] So again, something that was on this year's budget that we knew.

[1:04:04] Yeah but we're hoping we could get with this budget adjustment.

[1:04:07] So that's the ask on the drones for night vision.

[1:04:11] That's another safety item.

[1:04:12] So for our SWAT members on the team, most of the SWAT team

[1:04:16] now has the night vision that it's on your helmet.

[1:04:20] It comes down.

[1:04:21] It's a binocular not a monocular.

[1:04:23] So you have better vision, better field of view.

[1:04:25] And when you're not in use can put it up.

[1:04:27] We haven't been able to buy that for our redmoon cert members

[1:04:31] just because of the cost.

[1:04:32] And it's been something we've kind of been trying

[1:04:34] to push out and push out.

[1:04:36] And maybe we're going to start trying to buy a couple this year

[1:04:39] and a couple next year.

[1:04:41] But we thought since we have these funds,

[1:04:44] we would ask if it'd be possible to come in and get

[1:04:47] all the members on the team.

[1:04:51] The new night vision.

[1:04:52] So again, it mounts on their helmet.

[1:04:54] It's just it's better because right

[1:04:55] now what they have is a monocular that they have to take

[1:04:57] out, turn on and then hold it.

[1:04:59] So obviously, if you're holding one here,

[1:05:01] that's not great when you need to have your hands on,

[1:05:03] possibly like a weapon or a different type of tool.

[1:05:07] So that's the night vision we're looking at.

[1:05:10] The dose tower is that's just a radio tower

[1:05:13] we would put on top of the PD.

[1:05:15] That would increase our radio signal and our dispatch signal.

[1:05:20] Currently there's some dead zones around the PD

[1:05:24] that we're hoping to remedy with these new radios.

[1:05:26] But the dispatch the dispatch techs recommend a dose tower.

[1:05:32] Anyway, that's going to improve all of our radio systems

[1:05:37] and including how things are communicating with dispatch.

[1:05:40] At the PD.

[1:05:42] And so we need to do that no matter what.

[1:05:45] So we're going to have that now.

[1:05:46] Otherwise, we'll be asking for it again in next year's budget.

[1:05:49] And then a digital key box is with being at the New building.

[1:05:53] This is a way to have all of our keys.

[1:05:56] Like a spare key.

[1:05:57] Like our spare keys.

[1:05:58] Put somewhere.

[1:05:59] So when we had a few weeks ago or after we moved in,

[1:06:02] we kind of had a major power failure.

[1:06:05] And so we realized that the way we have,

[1:06:09] not everybody has a master key.

[1:06:10] And so one of us had to get called to come out

[1:06:12] of bed in the middle of the night

[1:06:14] to let people back into the PD.

[1:06:16] And we don't want to have to do that again,

[1:06:18] but it needs to be meet certain security requirements.

[1:06:21] So it seems expensive for a key box,

[1:06:22] but that's how it meets all the requirements.

[1:06:25] My first question was like, do I need that on my house.

[1:06:27] Yeah, I right.

[1:06:28] I know.

[1:06:29] So what are those key rocks outside.

[1:06:32] I made the joke.

[1:06:32] I'm like, can we just get the frog.

[1:06:34] And you put it under the frog.

[1:06:35] And maybe nobody in the kids started

[1:06:37] coming home at o'clock AM.

[1:06:38] Good luck.

[1:06:39] 100% yeah.

[1:06:40] I mean, unfortunately, it's just with law enforcement,

[1:06:44] technology is growing and it's just become part of what we do.

[1:06:48] And I understand this is a large ask,

[1:06:50] but we're just trying to offset the next couple

[1:06:53] of years of budget costs.

[1:06:54] And this is some capital vehicle equipment

[1:06:58] we thought we could bring.

[1:06:59] And hopefully, if you guys thought

[1:07:01] it would be a good use of some of those extra funds

[1:07:03] and we could get these knocked off

[1:07:05] and we'd be able to hopefully reallocate

[1:07:07] the budget over the next couple of years to do that.

[1:07:10] And then.

[1:07:13] The money is, to my mind, the money

[1:07:15] is police building and supporting

[1:07:18] that your whole operation.

[1:07:20] So I don't really have a problem with it,

[1:07:22] but you just said there, you just finalized it.

[1:07:29] We're going to have to figure out our budget down the road.

[1:07:32] Yes, you have to.

[1:07:33] You're going to have to carry yourself

[1:07:35] around, run out of money.

[1:07:37] And that's why we're bringing a lot of these

[1:07:38] are like one time costs, so they're not

[1:07:40] going to be reoccurring costs.

[1:07:41] And so that's what we're trying to I

[1:07:43] hear what you're saying Jay.

[1:07:44] Definitely yeah we can handle basically replacing the vehicles

[1:07:51] the ones that are in service.

[1:07:52] If we bring along new officers, the vehicles, what we found

[1:07:56] is there was about $1 million of over the five years

[1:08:00] that we couldn't afford.

[1:08:01] And this kind of knocks out almost 60%

[1:08:05] So still some work to do.

[1:08:08] But yeah, our budget general fund is balanced.

[1:08:13] It's actually running a slight deficit.

[1:08:16] So these are not something we can do

[1:08:19] without hurting the financial.

[1:08:22] So for the radios in the new tower for this cost,

[1:08:25] this doesn't include service agreements

[1:08:27] and ongoing maintenance.

[1:08:30] No those are going to be included with what I got

[1:08:32] what we got with the current one we got from a couple months ago.

[1:08:36] Yeah I was going to say I just yeah,

[1:08:38] that one I know we've talked a lot about

[1:08:39] and we are going to end up signing that.

[1:08:40] We're just again, we're just doing some final testing.

[1:08:42] It's down to Harrison Motorola, and we're really just trying

[1:08:44] to figure out what is going to work most consistently

[1:08:47] and what's going to be safest and best for our officers.

[1:08:49] Off ramp.

[1:08:50] Because they're out of date.

[1:08:51] So I haven't said no to a request for the police ever.

[1:08:59] My only concern is we've spent a lot of money

[1:09:01] on radios and cameras, and we keep adding to that list.

[1:09:07] And I kind of like when does everybody

[1:09:11] have the latest and greatest.

[1:09:12] And I mean, is this the last request for this technology

[1:09:15] that we're going to get.

[1:09:16] Or I would tell you, yes.

[1:09:18] Based off we went again, we weren't

[1:09:21] planning on bringing this ask.

[1:09:23] But as we started looking at this type of forecasting

[1:09:26] over the next five years, like you said,

[1:09:28] we were up over $1 million.

[1:09:30] And so we thought, we have these funds now.

[1:09:34] It's not a recurring cost.

[1:09:36] So if we can knock this out, that's

[1:09:37] going to hopefully help us balance

[1:09:38] the budget moving forward over the next few fiscal years.

[1:09:40] Well, life cycle.

[1:09:42] Yeah what's the life cycle.

[1:09:43] It is a reoccurring cost.

[1:09:45] I mean, most of these are more realistic.

[1:09:47] We're going to be five years plus on those radios.

[1:09:50] They'll probably longer.

[1:09:52] And the camera systems with that contract with axon, those

[1:09:57] include replacements.

[1:09:58] And that's part of your ongoing subscription costs.

[1:10:00] Are the maintenance as part of the agreement

[1:10:02] say you go with Motorola or the counter.

[1:10:05] Is that part of the agreement.

[1:10:07] The life cycle, the warranty.

[1:10:09] They're not going to switch to a new technology and they will.

[1:10:13] The warranty, the warranty and life cycle

[1:10:14] will be in that contract.

[1:10:15] Yes, I guess help me understand when

[1:10:19] you do a replacement five or six years

[1:10:20] where that money comes from.

[1:10:23] So at that point, we'll have to reevaluate what

[1:10:26] we have some of those radios.

[1:10:27] A lot of times if you're sticking with that same program,

[1:10:29] you can do like a trade in and get credit for,

[1:10:32] but it's going to ultimately we'll have to see

[1:10:34] where we're at in or six years.

[1:10:36] OK, great.

[1:10:37] You asked kind of where the money is coming from.

[1:10:40] General fund.

[1:10:42] General fund.

[1:10:43] Yeah Jason.

[1:10:44] It's going to be fun.

[1:10:45] Yeah, I think it comes from a different

[1:10:48] it comes from a different counsel who has to vote.

[1:10:50] Yeah that's different.

[1:10:51] So it's my 19th budget.

[1:10:56] Every single year is a grind for the general fund.

[1:10:59] So we do an annual five year forecast.

[1:11:03] So we're going to year two years from now,

[1:11:07] we're going to probably start seeing a couple

[1:11:09] of these items coming in.

[1:11:10] We are planning for a drone program replacement program.

[1:11:16] So yeah, it's general fund.

[1:11:20] And that's the game we play.

[1:11:23] We got to find a way to do it.

[1:11:25] And, thankfully right now we do have some one time funds.

[1:11:28] So we're thinking you know officers are

[1:11:31] going to be tough real tough right now

[1:11:34] to get so thought processes.

[1:11:36] We're doing everything we can with one

[1:11:38] timeout money to make things a little bit easier on the staff.

[1:11:41] We have even this cleanup.

[1:11:44] We have a lot of response calls out there,

[1:11:47] so even that helps them.

[1:11:49] So that's the idea right now is what can we do with one timeout

[1:11:54] to make it easier on the staff we have.

[1:11:56] Well, and again, this is coming from the surplus of what

[1:11:59] was not spent on the building.

[1:12:01] So in my mind, it's their money.

[1:12:05] I mean they saved it.

[1:12:09] And there are things they need to be

[1:12:11] at the level they need to be.

[1:12:13] And this makes sense if you're on the fire department.

[1:12:20] Yeah they got their own problems.

[1:12:25] How much of the eventual third shift is going to be.

[1:12:30] I mean, will this protect.

[1:12:32] We're talking about adding so all so this will accommodate.

[1:12:36] So we're not going to come back with a oh

[1:12:38] now we're adding another four officers.

[1:12:40] We need to get 5 by for more radios.

[1:12:42] No, this is projecting on what we're

[1:12:44] hoping we'll be able to add over the next two years for bodies

[1:12:47] so we can get to that third.

[1:12:48] So we will have extra, extra equipment

[1:12:50] in anticipation of FTE being added for the radios

[1:12:54] and body cameras are.

[1:12:54] Then I'm OK.

[1:12:56] I'm good.

[1:12:57] Thank you.

[1:12:57] Good question.

[1:12:58] Thank you.

[1:12:58] That's a good question.

[1:12:59] Are there more questions on this particularly just

[1:13:04] to clarify too, especially around the cleanup,

[1:13:08] the homeless 150,000.

[1:13:10] We're just having the discussion on the budget adjustment.

[1:13:13] It will come before council on March 10 for approval.

[1:13:16] OK yeah.

[1:13:19] We just wanted to gut check today

[1:13:21] that we don't bring something that you're like, no way.

[1:13:24] So I don't see the benefit of having people leave an area

[1:13:28] and leave all that debris to blow and go

[1:13:31] and get into our business zones.

[1:13:33] So I think that that's going to have

[1:13:35] to make sense at some point.

[1:13:38] So it'll come before us March 10 and back to general fund.

[1:13:43] That land is supposed to be sold for industrial.

[1:13:49] I mean, I don't $5 a square foot.

[1:13:52] I'm not a commercial.

[1:13:54] I know that's higher.

[1:13:57] Higher OK, so $5 a square foot is $9 million

[1:14:00] and that's general fund.

[1:14:02] So if we can market that and someday sell it,

[1:14:07] the grind is a little bit easier for the general fund

[1:14:09] for a while.

[1:14:10] So yeah, that's the third reason is

[1:14:13] we get that land in a position for what it was intended for,

[1:14:17] which is to sell it for industrial.

[1:14:18]

[1:14:21] All right.

[1:14:22] We ensure our police drones so that when they screw up,

[1:14:26] I want to see them fly.

[1:14:27] Went into a house.

[1:14:28] That's pretty good.

[1:14:28] Oh, they do that for photos now.

[1:14:31] My photographers fly them through.

[1:14:32] They don't usually have some cracked up

[1:14:34] baseball bat coming after it.

[1:14:37] Have you seen what I missed.

[1:14:38] Well, to be fair, that's true.

[1:14:40] Cat does have a point there.

[1:14:42] All right, if we're done with budget adjustments,

[1:14:44] we'll move on to annexation ordinance

[1:14:47] since we still have some time.

[1:14:50] I got it.

[1:14:51] Got more handouts for you today.

[1:14:53] Sure watch this.

[1:14:54] Look at me handout skills.

[1:14:58] Throwing stones.

[1:15:00] Showing up in there.

[1:15:01] Slow down here.

[1:15:04] That's right.

[1:15:05] Just let me just toss this across that.

[1:15:08] All right.

[1:15:09] So this is more of an FYI item at this point in time.

[1:15:14] Basically, Corey and myself, we've been working on actually

[1:15:18] an annexation procedure.

[1:15:19] So remarkably, in our development code,

[1:15:22] we don't have any language on how we process annexation.

[1:15:25] So historically, what we've done is we basically

[1:15:28] direct applied state statute.

[1:15:30] So there was an opportunity here,

[1:15:33] especially after a lot of conversations

[1:15:35] we had about annexations probably a year and a half ago.

[1:15:39] And so we've gone in and basically we're

[1:15:41] formalizing and codifying the annexation procedure

[1:15:45] and approval criteria.

[1:15:47] And what you have before you is the first draft.

[1:15:50] Again, this is kind of meant for you guys

[1:15:52] to just read digest, because ultimately this will come back

[1:15:57] to you guys and the planning commission

[1:15:59] probably in the April time frame for adoption.

[1:16:03] So I'm not going to go through all of it.

[1:16:05] But what I do want to highlight for you guys is

[1:16:08] under the approval criteria, we have the standard stuff

[1:16:12] that we've been used to.

[1:16:13] But what we did add in this one was

[1:16:15] a line that basically says that in order

[1:16:18] to approve the annexation.

[1:16:20] The annexation has to be in the city's best interest.

[1:16:23] And I know that's very open ended.

[1:16:25] But really what this means is that city can't really just ask

[1:16:28] the developer, you incorporate whatever

[1:16:31] we want in their development.

[1:16:34] We can if it's like within the bounds of something in our code.

[1:16:38] So for an example, can you remember a few years.

[1:16:41] Well, actually it was the spruce Northwest master

[1:16:44] development plan that Hayden Holmes did

[1:16:45] in the Northwest part of town.

[1:16:47] We had that conversation about, hey,

[1:16:50] can you incorporate some commercial

[1:16:51] or some childcare in that.

[1:16:54] And they said, well, it's zoned residential

[1:16:56] and we're only interested in doing

[1:16:57] residential in this situation.

[1:16:59] We could have asked for childcare or limited scale

[1:17:03] commercial because in conjunction

[1:17:06] with the master development plan,

[1:17:07] our code does allow for that as a conditional use.

[1:17:10] So does that make sense.

[1:17:11] We can ask for things.

[1:17:12] So as long as it's within the bounds of the code

[1:17:15] while we're making code amendments, this is off topic.

[1:17:18] I apologize.

[1:17:19] Can we with our limited commercial

[1:17:21] 86 the food carts and neighborhoods.

[1:17:24] I get so many complaints about food carts,

[1:17:28] about food carts and the music, and the late

[1:17:31] night and the 1970s.

[1:17:33] Well, yeah, but the others as they come will do that.

[1:17:37] I mean, it makes sense that you don't want to have that next

[1:17:39] to a residential dwelling if they're

[1:17:41] going to be having music and chemically

[1:17:44] enhanced happy people.

[1:17:45]

[1:17:48] That's problematic.

[1:17:49] I mean, I get yeah, but I guess those were zoned

[1:17:51] commercial from the get go.

[1:17:53] So it's just being cognizant as we

[1:17:55] but you could make an Amendment about commercial use

[1:17:57] abutting residential zone.

[1:18:00] If it was an actual residential house.

[1:18:03] I mean, really, we can dive right into the standards

[1:18:06] for food carts and do what we want.

[1:18:10] So yeah, that would be part of the code Amendment process.

[1:18:14] But specifically with this is the annexation piece.

[1:18:18] And I'm trying to think we work with lights on this.

[1:18:23] Dan, from a staff, staff perspective,

[1:18:27] we feel pretty good about what we have in front of you.

[1:18:31] I feel like it's getting close for adoption.

[1:18:35] Ready but again, this was just more of an introduction

[1:18:38] for you guys and give you guys the opportunity to take time

[1:18:40] to look through it and come back with questions for Corey and I.

[1:18:45] And so what I would want to see is

[1:18:49] how we are interpreting city's best interest

[1:18:52] because it is open and vague.

[1:18:54] And so what do we currently today think that might

[1:18:59] mean in an annexation.

[1:19:01] And does it need guardrails or is it something

[1:19:03] that we just leave open.

[1:19:06] Is it defensible.

[1:19:07] So for interest, for what you're talking about with food trucks

[1:19:12] next to somebody's house, can we pull data on how many times

[1:19:15] the house next door has been put on the market,

[1:19:18] and how it's impacting residential Every house on 19th

[1:19:22] on that street is going on.

[1:19:23] It's been up twice since I. Yeah and on that piece,

[1:19:29] the city's best interest.

[1:19:30] The first part of doing annexation

[1:19:32] is doing the annexation agreement.

[1:19:34] And that's obviously before we would

[1:19:36] even Annex A piece of property.

[1:19:38] Council has to review and approve

[1:19:39] the terms of that annexation agreement

[1:19:41] in that topic about the city's best interests.

[1:19:44] That's a good time to have that discussion on what the city

[1:19:47] council cares about in terms of potential impacts

[1:19:51] to the annexation.

[1:19:54] What we want to include.

[1:19:55] I guess my concern is I love that this is written in here,

[1:19:58] but we've said before, these are the things we'd like to see.

[1:20:00] And we've just been told, yeah, OK.

[1:20:02] No and they do what they want to do.

[1:20:03] This is what we're going to do and this

[1:20:04] is what we're going to annex.

[1:20:05] And we're sorry if you want it because we're

[1:20:07] not going to give it to you.

[1:20:10] But now that we're codifying language in the code,

[1:20:12] it's much more defensible.

[1:20:13] Defensible yeah.

[1:20:15] It's defensible.

[1:20:16] We have to have a platform and have it be defensible.

[1:20:18] Exactly yeah.

[1:20:19] So three or four years ago, whenever

[1:20:21] we had the initial conversation about annexations by statute,

[1:20:24] there's four things that they have to meet.

[1:20:26] And if they meet those four, we, the council

[1:20:29] can't require anything else.

[1:20:31] They've met the 4 and two or three of the four

[1:20:33] are really easy.

[1:20:34] It has to be contiguous to the city.

[1:20:36] It has to be this, that.

[1:20:39] And so they just basically got automatic entry.

[1:20:42] One of those four things is complies with city code.

[1:20:45] Our city code was silent so it automatically complied.

[1:20:48] This closes that.

[1:20:49] So now we're getting language.

[1:20:51] So that fourth requirement under state law

[1:20:54] actually has something that they have to comply.

[1:20:56] So this would allow us if they try to bring in the 1,200 acres,

[1:21:00] to say we want to do it as a single development,

[1:21:04] not piecemeal.

[1:21:06] We could say it's in the best interest

[1:21:07] to do a larger master plan development as opposed

[1:21:11] to 50 acres at a time.

[1:21:14] Maybe I haven't thought that part through.

[1:21:16] I mean, if they sold those pieces off,

[1:21:18] then probably not because they would have

[1:21:21] a 50 acre contiguous piece.

[1:21:23] So it depends on their approach, I don't.

[1:21:26] I think you're probably worried about something that's not going

[1:21:29] to happen in the next 10 months, but the or two

[1:21:32] years or five years.

[1:21:33] I mean, the County doesn't seem interested in that anyway,

[1:21:37] but in theory, possibly, yeah.

[1:21:40] The other thing is I was also concerned about the city's

[1:21:43] best interest language.

[1:21:44] We didn't invent that.

[1:21:45] We took that from Hillsborough as well, I like that.

[1:21:49] If we've got if they challenge it,

[1:21:52] I mean, is it defensible with the state,

[1:21:55] which we've been obviously based on.

[1:21:57] I think the state worked or there was

[1:21:59] somebody pointed us to that.

[1:22:02] It pointed us to our DLCD pointed us to Hillsborough.

[1:22:06] No, it was an outside counsel and that they

[1:22:10] had helped draft it.

[1:22:11] And it's my understanding it's battle tested.

[1:22:15] That was my next.

[1:22:16] Yeah because battle is it Battle tested.

[1:22:18] And could it be deemed as arbitrary or

[1:22:20] capricious if this area over here on the wrap

[1:22:23] is this best interest.

[1:22:24] And this over here on the East side is this best interest

[1:22:26] and the best interest are different.

[1:22:28] No, I think that's OK.

[1:22:29] As long as you have findings that support why it's

[1:22:32] in the city's best interest.

[1:22:34] I like the objective.

[1:22:36] Objective or subjective.

[1:22:39] So yeah.

[1:22:40] Again nope.

[1:22:41] OK give it a read and look for comments,

[1:22:46] thoughts, questions, concerns.

[1:22:48] I'll just rewrite the whole thing.

[1:22:50] Yeah, we can do that.

[1:22:51] Is there a show or show I want to show.

[1:22:56] On annexation ordinance, do we have any other questions,

[1:23:01] comments before I open the table for the next seven minutes,

[1:23:05] if there's anything additional people would like to discuss.

[1:23:08]

[1:23:12] All right.

[1:23:14] OK, then I'm going to pull an Ed and say we're adjourned.

[1:23:19] For one.

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