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[0:03] okay

[0:04] so with that can I have a motion to adopt

[0:07] the locals gender

[0:09] consecutively concert yeah I mean you go

[0:14] we can't do both that's our west coast river was

[0:18] carried any disclosures up can interest journalists are there are

[0:21] many minutes for us seeing none we have an education

[0:26] training session with respect to the Richmond hill centre and

[0:30] ... because there is a minor city manager are ready

[0:34] to begin the presentation chart

[0:37] thank you Mr mayor members of council

[0:41] I wanted to kick this off in normally it would

[0:44] be ... meet ... war or Calvin or one of

[0:48] our other staff but ... I did want to highlight

[0:52] that in terms of city building Richmond twenty first Richmond

[0:56] hill centre is the single most biggest impact team ...

[1:01] ... exercise that the city will undertake and it's not

[1:04] just about a planning exercise which we will talk about

[1:07] but it's much much more than that it's about setting

[1:09] a community it's about setting a context it's a spot

[1:12] set in the future for for Richmond hill so today

[1:15] and we're going to go over ... some for the

[1:18] purpose of why we're here we're gonna talk a little

[1:20] bit of that ... how we're structured in what the

[1:23] deliverables are specifically

[1:25] we're going to get a picture of because for some

[1:28] health centres not island it has contacts and has ...

[1:32] planning context as well we're gonna hear from Michael Morrissey

[1:36] ... who as lead planning exercises in and Langstaff to

[1:40] the south of Richmond center ... and then we're going

[1:43] to get ... walk through the principles the key principles

[1:48] that are are ... part of our visioning exercise in

[1:51] as we develop the regional center

[1:56] why we're here today and wanted to just give you

[1:58] the nuts and bolts details of why we're here today

[2:02] ... and ... give me an update on where we

[2:04] are in the process and what's gone on ... we're

[2:07] also going to look at ... some of that the

[2:09] draft principles that were developed in the first round we

[2:12] had in a community engagement meeting ... and ... we've

[2:18] spent some time with counsel and so we want to

[2:20] give you some feedback and how some of the principles

[2:24] ... that are rounding up and rounding out and we're

[2:28] also going to present some of the options that are

[2:29] being explored and get some feedback around that but this

[2:32] is really meant to be an interactive exercise with counsel

[2:35] to get your feedback and and to start to set

[2:38] up a course and direction for ... for planning the

[2:41] Richmond center

[2:44] at the heart of that I mentioned at the very

[2:46] start that the Richmond hill centre that is much more

[2:50] than a secondary plan it is about the life of

[2:54] our city it's about the future of our city and

[2:57] ... this is this statement kind of captures an aspirational

[3:01] aspect to what we've been hearing from both the council

[3:04] and members of the public Richmond hill center is it

[3:07] will be a world leading urban grow center and mobility

[3:11] hub with a future focused community so it captures a

[3:15] lot ... ... in that statement it's about how we're

[3:19] thinking about the future about how were people were planning

[3:22] in a community in the context of of a larger

[3:26] urban place in a really ... the the mobility hub

[3:30] aspects of it it's a confluence of of a lot

[3:33] of activity people are coming to the Richmond hill centre

[3:36] to stop please stay stay here and work here to

[3:39] live there to play there and also it is a

[3:43] a vehicle to transport other people too ... the economic

[3:47] engine of the country

[3:52] how we're structured internally ... I've just want to remind

[3:55] you ... it because the importance of this project is

[3:58] being run out of my office ... SO we can

[4:02] align all the resources to put the effort that's required

[4:05] into this and to the planning of this ... ...

[4:07] the significant project the executive champions project is mita candy

[4:12] ... and the the actual ... legs on the ground

[4:17] it's being led by Daniel things from my office ...

[4:21] Clement Chung is the as the planner who's responsible for

[4:25] overseeing the the actual planning documents that we have the

[4:28] consultants on board urban strategies who you'll hear from ...

[4:31] before that and ... we also have a municipal technical

[4:35] working group that's made up of people across the the

[4:37] corporation that has set ... the vehicle is the vehicle

[4:42] to provide feedback into the group

[4:47] with respect to the work plan where we are in

[4:49] there the work plan has three components as you're aware

[4:52] ... to coordinate the Richmond hill input on preliminary design

[4:55] and engineering that's the nuts and bolts concrete how that

[4:58] where the subway is gonna link up and how it

[5:01] gets integrated threat security how it looks and feels and

[5:04] we have the bus lanes the BRT bus lanes are

[5:06] coming in we have to integrate that the go go

[5:09] rail as well that's one aspect of it and also

[5:13] in the larger broader stance were developing and the vision

[5:16] in the plan and the actual secondary plan for the

[5:18] Richmond hill centre that will guide the land use ...

[5:21] regime into the future and also as we have a

[5:26] role to play in advocating for Richmond hill centre writ

[5:30] large with ... with our other partners with Metrolinx now

[5:34] who's running the the ... ... the project to the

[5:37] actual delivery of the subway ... advocating with the region

[5:41] on what are unique and special needs are and how

[5:43] we fit into the reasons ... ... context as well

[5:50] so where we are in terms of deliverables worrying at

[5:54] ... ... the preliminary design to fifteen to twenty percent

[5:57] plumbing design being ... right now targeting March of twenty

[6:01] twenty I will say that we learned yesterday that with

[6:04] the transition of the project from your preacher rapid transit

[6:07] corporation to Metrolinx ... that ... ... date may stretch

[6:14] ... because of the issues that they want to ...

[6:18] hand that work often to verify that what's been going

[6:21] on is ... is truly work where the province and

[6:24] the other partners want to go they're also changing the

[6:27] governance structure at Metrolinx to ensure that ... things like

[6:31] if the value capture above the stations are are consistently

[6:35] carried through an optimized where they can't so there's a

[6:39] bit of planning has worked its needs to be done

[6:41] at Metrolinx that'll inform our secondary planning process and also

[6:44] ... will probably end up pushing the date of the

[6:47] plumbing design engineering back bit

[6:50] our goal has been to ... finish the ... had

[6:54] perfect present a draft of the secondary plan and by

[6:57] June twenty twenty ... this as of yesterday may push

[7:01] again because if we don't know exactly where the subway

[7:04] line it comes in ... to Richmond hill centre if

[7:08] there's changing to our ... for that set mandated from

[7:11] from ... ... from Metrolinx in terms of densities and

[7:14] heights and so on ... we want to make sure

[7:16] that were were reflecting those requirements in our in our

[7:19] documents as well

[7:24] so this point so I think it's worthwhile getting in

[7:26] the context of what of what we're planning here in

[7:30] Richmond hill and we've invited Michael Morrissey who is his

[7:35] fancy tile senior design and development visor ... with more

[7:38] seated at designs and ... he's been off the lead

[7:42] in the Langstaff planning efforts south of south of seven

[7:47] and ... he'll walk you through the Langstaff plan and

[7:52] highlight some of the some of the connections that ...

[7:56] ... that are possible with the Richmond center so I'll

[7:59] turn it over to Mike Moore seen

[8:02] thank you welcome Sir much

[8:05] okay

[8:08] okay

[8:10] yeah I'm Michael Morrissey and ... my career started in

[8:15] Markham center twenty years ago twenty years ago actually Frank

[8:20] Scarpelli the mayor Schor petty was their major counselor Jim

[8:24] Jones was there and at the time they got interested

[8:27] in the work in the summer

[8:29] and we hired Andreas wanting myself and your architects

[8:34] the master plan Martin says he

[8:38] on the lower right hand corner is a three D.

[8:40] massing of the Markham center ... that we revisited in

[8:44] twenty ten

[8:46] the density there now is at 10 times coverage

[8:51] in 20 years ago

[8:55] we thought we were

[8:57] changing the game two point five times coverage we took

[9:00] suburban sprawl and we we imposed or implemented in a

[9:05] newer business models to create a civic square

[9:09] full of arts to create walkable communities and we thought

[9:12] two point five times coverage like the massing was six

[9:16] to eight stories we thought that was way out of

[9:18] the box when we revisit twenty ten twenty years ago

[9:22] we were visited in twenty ten

[9:25]

[9:27] we realize that the the world has changed and I

[9:30] think that's the perspective that you have to keep in

[9:32] mind when you're doing these vision plans and you're looking

[9:37] at

[9:38] sort of large scale city center city building developments if

[9:42] you have to keep in mind that the big picture

[9:45] will evolve over time and that's very very important when

[9:48] it comes to developing your secondary plan and one of

[9:51] the lessons that we're learning in Langstaff as were implementing

[9:55] our two thousand and nine ... ... approved master plan

[10:01] is that the secondary plan has to be flexible because

[10:05] over time ten years later things change

[10:09] and the plan has to have built in flexibility at

[10:12] the city very primal

[10:15] the process top of Toronto when I initially drew Markham

[10:18] center before seven didn't exist we knew it was coming

[10:23] ... in in all the perspective drawings and watercolors envision

[10:27] drawings that they did time I had to drive in

[10:30] and now if you look at the top of Toronto

[10:33] four seven is the East West line that connects the

[10:38] pro centers ... Vaughan Richmond hill Langstaff and Markham center

[10:44] to the east

[10:46] each case they have a mobility hub in the province

[10:50] is dedicated to that those areas are gonna become pro

[10:54] centers

[10:59] Langstaff gateway

[11:01] the price of only 100 acres

[11:05] it is south of four seven founded by young streets

[11:09] Bayview

[11:11] and we have a third important connection at the mid

[11:15] point that links

[11:17] Richmond hill and like stuff now the cedar Avenue

[11:23] 2 of the goal line bisects the property

[11:28] and if you know the current go station is

[11:32] weekly distance between Richmond hill and **** staff center area

[11:40] we anticipate course the online

[11:43] ... I'm working as a ... might might my career's

[11:47] gone from trained as an architect spent twenty years master

[11:50] planning and working at the very very big picture all

[11:53] over North America and currently I've kind of got the

[11:58] third piece of the puzzle in that I'm involved in

[12:01] the development side in the implementation of these projects these

[12:04] visions S. A. I'm on the tier two several developers

[12:09] in the city including on this project

[12:12] I'm on retainer to ... come morning slant and I

[12:16] don't know if this printer works doesn't come from the

[12:20] east side we on twenty acres plus the woodlot

[12:23] and condor properties ... owns most of the west side

[12:28] and a portion of on the east precinct

[12:33] those two development groups ... are working closely together with

[12:37] the municipality to realize phase one of ... Langstaff

[12:47] this is the master plan that was endorsed in two

[12:49] thousand nine

[12:51] we had about a 2 year planning process

[12:54] the the market has had a reputation for ... really

[12:58] is one of the leaders that embrace very early on

[13:02] the principles of new urbanism and you don't hear a

[13:04] lot about minimalism anymore because for the most part over

[13:07] twenty years it's become part of the planning part of

[13:10] lancets what we we already know what it is now

[13:13] we've we've adopted that we know that the creation of

[13:17] ... open spaces and ... compact development is the future

[13:26] again it was around 100 acres this project

[13:29] and if you look at the the master plan I'll

[13:33] probably one thing really ... graphically jumps out and that

[13:38] the vision that Peter Calthorpe from San Francisco who we

[13:42] hired for this job he is one of the leading

[13:44] urbanist master planners in America ... his friend Hans up

[13:50] was to introduce a central green open space bond that

[13:55] connects the property from west to east from young to

[13:59] Bayview

[14:02] probably the strongest idea and the boldest idea in this

[14:06] master plan

[14:08] is to in fact a race away the bisecting the

[14:12] property east of west precincts by going over the goal

[14:15] line with the infrastructure of roads and open space to

[14:20] effectively disappear the goal line now as many of you

[14:22] know the goal line is not simply a passenger ...

[14:27] line is actually also free line so to have it

[14:29] go underneath the the city streets and blocks is essential

[14:35] to create a unified hundred acre ... master planned community

[14:41] the infrastructure costs associated with associated with that are significant

[14:45] and the cost sharing agreements and all things are going

[14:47] to be complicated but it is necessary to to create

[14:51] something I listen to fight it by the goal line

[14:55] for a look at the massing

[14:59] this gives you a kind of a high level massing

[15:02] it has evolved in the ten years since it was

[15:04] the worst I would say if the DFS sites this

[15:08] project as shown here was in the neighborhood of let's

[15:12] say six to eight

[15:14] obligating over 10 to 12 now in terms of FSI

[15:18] the the massive shows that

[15:22] as you would expect the highest density would be near

[15:27] the transfer station on young street then it comes down

[15:31] towards that park in the center of the west the

[15:33] second and then it it ... the feathers down comes

[15:38] back up to a high point around the the logical

[15:43] nor self transit connection that has to occur between the

[15:47] proposed ... hop that since you've been ... Langstaff and

[15:53] the underpass that already exists underneath a four seven two

[15:58] that center portion of the links that match point and

[16:03] then at the far east end where you see that

[16:05] with a lot that's ... come morning excellence phase one

[16:10] area where we've got twenty acres and phase one between

[16:13] condor and comm more anxious when we're we're we're putting

[16:18] together ... our proposals are submissions for five thousand units

[16:23] five thousand units is the first increment of the project

[16:28] ... before it triggers the schools and the online

[16:32] I

[16:37] now

[16:39] the

[16:41] Eddie

[16:42] has been involved in Markham center and now Langstaff over

[16:47] the course of his career for twenty years and I

[16:52] had heard that

[16:53] there was a ... a master planned project that started

[16:58] in the eighties embrace many of the new urbanist principles

[17:02] at the time

[17:04] streets blocks where's

[17:07] ... it was called at a park city so he

[17:09] taught me early this year to put together a tour

[17:15] of Manhattan high density projects ... because the fact is

[17:20] working in a green field kind of area and we

[17:24] need to look at something that's actually gone through this

[17:26] entire process from ideation through implementation and to hold the

[17:32] vision any fall for it ... over the course of

[17:36] thirty years and to see something for real that exists

[17:40] and has many of the components that we're grappling with

[17:43] today like urban schools like very very curated significant open

[17:48] spaces hi density towers and sustainable development ... criteria

[17:56]

[17:58] they're pretty ... also invited near barrow and senior staff

[18:02] to accompany us off on that trip to New York

[18:05] which we did in mid July it was a three

[18:07] day visit

[18:10] ... and we ... looked at Hudson yards which is

[18:14] really the the the latest thinking on high density ...

[18:18] we looked at data Park City which turns out to

[18:21] be almost identical to the blank stuff in terms of

[18:25] the master plan it's a hundred acres the density is

[18:30] high but in fact it Lang stuff were even higher

[18:33] than that of Park City

[18:36]

[18:39] this is a comparison on the top is the plan

[18:44] of Vatican City

[18:47] now below that key is blank staff ... they're both

[18:51] hundred acres ...

[18:54] actor the number of units you better Park City they

[18:59] have around a population of twenty thousand and we're anticipating

[19:03] for ... ... Langstaff fifty thousand units are thirty thousand

[19:08] people

[19:10] so it's actually about a third more dense

[19:14] ... the significant if you can see on the monitors

[19:18] the top far right hand corner of the photograph ...

[19:22] talk to the open space

[19:25] and based on my experience over the last couple of

[19:28] decades and as we get more more dense ... and

[19:33] and experiences Tronto

[19:35] ... open space has to be the most important ...

[19:40] ingredients or components in these master plans ... we were

[19:45] living in smaller and smaller condominium spaces so in my

[19:50] opinion ... the office space has to be beautifully curated

[19:54] has to come first

[19:57] and I think that's the latest thing

[19:59] to the degree that I was in New York last

[20:01] week specifically to go into a few a few of

[20:05] the leading landscape architecture firms in America ... the one

[20:09] that I visited Michael van Valkenburgh has done extensive work

[20:13] in front of ... he did the open space the

[20:17] significant open spaces in better Park City which we thought

[20:20] were like remarkable

[20:23] ... pieces of Central Park drop right into a new

[20:26] development okay all that kind of immersive environment and super

[20:31] program to

[20:33] right ... play fields all kinds of things are happening

[20:36] in there in a very very tight compact high density

[20:39] Berman

[20:41] so that's the big takeaway from data park city

[20:47] this is a call to drop park

[20:51] ... we've got in the plan you could see for

[20:54] major development blocks New York ten fifty storey podium is

[20:59] sort of standard practice ... surrounded by you know thirty

[21:04] forty fifty story tower on the same kind of thing

[21:07] we're doing a lank stuff we're doing for the most

[21:09] part six to ten story podium with towers forty fifty

[21:13] stories ... but it's the interior of the block that's

[21:16] so critical and ... this is tear drop park concept

[21:22] ... show you a few slides of that

[21:26] so this is on a tear off up a super

[21:29] high density block

[21:32] not now you see the the lighting on the ground

[21:35] plane of that slide on the left ... what they

[21:38] have on top of the buildings in these buildings are

[21:41] fully loaded up with the latest thinking a sustainability and

[21:44] we'll get into a little bit of that but they

[21:46] have these big reflectors on the roof to reflect sunk

[21:50] down into those quarters I mean they fought back since

[21:54] we

[21:56] the open spaces brown ... unlike any other city that

[22:00] I've ever seen and I think that that the group

[22:03] that went all came to the same conclusion when we

[22:06] compare these different projects like the Hudson yards is almost

[22:10] too much of an entertainment district it doesn't feel like

[22:13] a real place but there's something about battery Park City

[22:16] which is very humble and I think part of it

[22:19] has to do with that they extended the grid of

[22:22] the city into it and they simply made really really

[22:26] well developed open space systems for people

[22:30] and I think it just makes it feel very real

[22:32] like a real place and something that is very translatable

[22:34] today to what we're doing certainly like stuff and I

[22:38] believe we can do the same in Richmond hill

[22:44] ... there's quite a few players for children and all

[22:47] that kind of rock massing in the ... the vegetation

[22:51] that is just one kind of moment better Park City

[22:55] which is very immersive you feel like you're in Central

[22:57] Park in the middle of a a bottom of the

[23:00] new development high density block ... other parts of it

[23:05] have ... all kinds of play areas that have been

[23:09] carefully orchestrated so that there's a wide range of for

[23:14] the most immersive you could get lost in that kind

[23:18] of open space to something that's very specific usable and

[23:22] programs

[23:26] ... one of the biggest issues that we're both going

[23:30] to be dealing with over the next decade

[23:32] and we've spent the last two years on the implementation

[23:36] side now dealing with the issue of urban schools

[23:40] ... everyone here knows about do you know how challenging

[23:44] it is to change the legislation that the policy at

[23:47] the provincial level the firm up the promise knows about

[23:50] this that we're creating cities they they're they're allocating Irving

[23:54] grossly density to these locations it's coming the city of

[23:58] Toronto is currently ... grappling with in block thirty one

[24:03] building really their first urban school of any real consequence

[24:08] is very very dense area in the relevance and yet

[24:12] that school doesn't even have towers on top of it

[24:15] so it's not fully integrated but when you go to

[24:19] Bedford city

[24:20] you'll actually see the mall built out so this is

[24:23] not just a speculation like we've got a basically reduce

[24:27] the five acre site down put play fields on the

[24:31] roof and talk the school into a multi floor podium

[24:37] of a high rise development it actually exists here and

[24:42] so that was significant it helped us to you know

[24:45] ground truth that this exists what's the programming currently condor

[24:50] and ... come wearing a sweater but

[24:53] diving deep into ... the data related to the schools

[24:57] and how they work ... at the end of one

[25:00] axes ... is that large triangle on the top left

[25:05] hand corner and that is a multi level high school

[25:10] but it also has a community center and ... it

[25:12] also has a great skill so it's this kind of

[25:15] overlap program that's the kind of thinking is required to

[25:19] do high density development and you're gonna see that team

[25:22] concept peated here about a Park City

[25:25] ... the to the right side is another public school

[25:30] built in the podium of another ... develop block

[25:34] and then to the right of that again you see

[25:35] a large one hectic or green ... I'll talk a

[25:39] little bit about that on the next slide but that's

[25:42] like a shared amenity space ... that has a number

[25:45] of play fields and so on it happened sort of

[25:48] simultaneously with the community center built into

[25:51] so rather than ever the school has five acres and

[25:55] by the way in Langstaff we were allocated three school

[25:59] one hundred acres that's fifteen acres of the hundred and

[26:02] ninety minus the open space what we've got left to

[26:05] develop we don't have a lot so it's so important

[26:09] that we create these compact repeats cools

[26:13]

[26:15] you see where that school that's a public schools located

[26:19] on not on the block and below that is ...

[26:24] an eye level view of the entrance and to the

[26:26] right of that is the four story a grade school

[26:31] which has ... if you see the leader line on

[26:34] the top right hand corner that note down between the

[26:37] tower and the podium building that's where the play fields

[26:41] are

[26:42] for that school

[26:48] that left him slide

[26:51] is that one hectare acre area that's devoted to multi

[26:56] use play fields and has a community center tucked under

[27:00] it if you look to the far right hand corner

[27:02] of that image that is the view along that curving

[27:06] kind of perimeter of that block

[27:09] what they've done is that there's a level change from

[27:14] the rate at the street level across the block party

[27:17] folks towers and then it drops one floor and that's

[27:20] where the the play fields of Kerr in that sort

[27:24] of dealt with that date on between the two they

[27:28] talked to community center

[27:30] last week I went for tourists because I just thought

[27:33] what a remarkable way to have it in there without

[27:36] being a standalone building I guess talked in not simply

[27:39] the podium but the lovable local

[27:42] and they have a pool and there're a basketball court

[27:46] ... in a whole host of other ... community functions

[27:51] go underneath the podium and have this glazed wall with

[27:55] full access to

[27:58] and place

[27:59] if you look very closely at the two diamonds circumscribed

[28:03] in there as well actually that plan you'll see a

[28:07] soccer pitch

[28:08] and when you go there

[28:10] ... it is an amazing space that's so activated because

[28:14] what's happening is in one corner you have some kids

[28:18] doing some ... some some soccer in a corner ...

[28:22] they'll have a full baseball game going on on one

[28:25] of the ... diamonds so ... you'll see any number

[28:31] sports happening simultaneously it's an incredibly active place and again

[28:35] it's this notion that shared space shared program this kind

[28:39] of fusion of all these different activities that's city life

[28:44] okay is not segregation of everything that's the old model

[28:47] that's the supermodel you get on a bus to school

[28:50] you get in a car to go to the grocery

[28:52] store everything is compact here for mixed use development ...

[28:58] on the bottom right hand corner are two of the

[29:01] early drawings from like thirty years ago

[29:04] so we're collectively Richmond hill and Markham with these projects

[29:11] at that stage in the bottom right hand corner I

[29:14] mean if I write everyone here to go to New

[29:18] York that's an hour away and to kick the tires

[29:22] I think we all need to collectively like just go

[29:24] there and say Hey this actually exists this is where

[29:27] we're going this is the kind of population we have

[29:30] to have in the city and you know if we're

[29:34] lucky that it's so close for us to look at

[29:38] and if you're doing that as a group let me

[29:39] know because the battery Park City authority we went to

[29:43] New York ... open their doors wide for an entire

[29:46] day they toured as the project ... we did lunch

[29:51] there we have discussions and lectures with the CEO of

[29:55] the battery Park City authority except truck

[29:58] and I suggested to them

[30:01] that why don't we set up a sister city relationship

[30:05] you exist we're in the vision stage and they just

[30:08] like grab that and said yes we want we're so

[30:11] excited first of all Michael that you're interested in us

[30:15] they just want the doors open I just made a

[30:17] cold call

[30:19] ... and ... now we got this ongoing relationship with

[30:23] someone last week were texting and emailing and sending its

[30:26] content constantly ... so

[30:31] finally this is the last slide

[30:34] ... we talked about master planning we talk about development

[30:39] and now we talk about architecture specific buildings and the

[30:44] hallmark of this development ... para park city ... and

[30:49] by the way any better for city it's just the

[30:51] landfill right it's a tabula rasa it is a huge

[30:55] deal effectively that's another reason why it's so applicable to

[30:58] us their start they started from now until the second

[31:02] in 30 years

[31:05] all from an architectural point of view

[31:08] the mandate early on

[31:11] thirty years ago to do super sustainable towers this was

[31:15] even before the lead kind of initiatives even existed the

[31:19] very first LEED platinum building America is the solar building

[31:25] which is the building in the middle and that building

[31:28] ... we got a tour of that building we went

[31:31] up and down we looked at the grey water ...

[31:33] solar all the various things that they've got built into

[31:36] that project ... diagram will left comes from The New

[31:40] York Times where they start to detail out this is

[31:44] a an article from like fifteen years ago

[31:47] of what was happening in battery Park City and they

[31:50] have led the way in terms of sustainability in architecture

[31:54] so from every point of view we feel like we've

[31:57] got a sister city to help us to get where

[31:59] we're going and I think you know the idea that

[32:03] the the the sum is greater than the parts

[32:07] is something that we embraced when Scarpetta invited

[32:12] and Richmond hill New York

[32:16] thank you for the work together I think we can

[32:18] realize a great ... regional center in the GTA

[32:24] thank you for your time

[32:26] thank you

[32:34] Mister mayor maybe another questions for Mister Moore C. R.

[32:38] we wanted to carry on with that ... urban strategies

[32:41] at this time ...

[32:44] more about

[32:45] ... understanding what is across the road from us yeah

[32:48] that was the intention is one given opportunity because it

[32:52] is a fairly significant developments ... adjacent to Richmond house

[32:56] of that if there was any

[32:58] any area resources here with regard to like stuff that

[33:05] is it recognizing the I could speak okay thank you

[33:07] very much I appreciate it very much about that China

[33:11] we look beyond our borders because after all ... I

[33:16] catch a term that's what we have going on this

[33:19] in many ways and forms and shapes up it's not

[33:22] so much about the land stuff to say because initially

[33:25] I do have a question you know reporter well Richmond

[33:28] hill centre why are we are looking at ... ...

[33:33] ... the land softly we will honor her for months

[33:36] ... the mayor off ma come school friend for many

[33:39] years and many times and also regional concert you jobs

[33:43] ... but I understand David B. connection no doubt also

[33:47] it's not so much about on the ... glanced off

[33:52] gateway per se but ... perhaps a Mister may offer

[33:55] stuff at some point in time during the call ...

[33:58] whole presentation of this trust me

[34:02] does not showing the boundaries of which will center unless

[34:07] I missed it I went through the ... package very

[34:11] carefully last night ... at some point probably helpful so

[34:13] to see how those connection would be and after I

[34:16] do appreciate the percent of the chair on the first

[34:20] line is showing all those almost venia linkage along highway

[34:25] seven so I think it's important that you have the

[34:28] ponderous I'm not so much on your presentation so ...

[34:31] but the boundaries of the Richmond hill centre jobs employment

[34:36] at the company thank you so thank you very much

[34:39] yeah this was a this was this press this slide

[34:41] I created like J. as a Markham centric slide right

[34:46] that's that's what I was trying to play even on

[34:48] that site if you start to really look at it

[34:50] close at five realign the four seven translates the way

[34:53] I think it should be which is parallel in four

[34:55] seven in my opinion ... so there there are some

[34:59] editorial pieces to that but agreed and I actually have

[35:02] spent about two years ... working on Richmond hill and

[35:07] Langstaff together in a comprehensive vision that spans from Vaughn

[35:11] to Cornell with regional council Jim Jones a lecturer in

[35:15] Siemens

[35:17] in two years studying the undergrounding of the hydro corridor

[35:20] which is something for another conversation so I'm very familiar

[35:24] with what's going on I've looked at the urban strategies

[35:28] plan for two years at the time I admired it

[35:31] but I think there's one issue which is that hard

[35:32] to corner which is something that you know needs to

[35:35] be looked at carefully wouldn't it be nice if you

[35:38] could underground to me that's the front door of Richmond

[35:41] hill as it should be on happy seven

[35:44] thank you thank you thank you Mr chairman

[35:49] one more

[35:51] I thank you thanks very much for a presentation that

[35:54] was really exciting and I think you know it it

[35:56] really speaks to the kind of ... you know new

[35:59] types of ... cities that are we're learning from past

[36:02] experience are becoming more and more and more livable and

[36:05] I think you know that this is a a probably

[36:07] a very relevant discussions for us as we embark on

[36:10] this I I just have one question ... so ...

[36:15] I get the idea of creating this place that's a

[36:19] livable community and I and I'm totally I think that's

[36:22] crucial ... when when you talk to families thought that

[36:26] one of the top

[36:28] couple of things that they say when they talk about

[36:31] livable communities is a well there's good schools in the

[36:34] area I want to live there ... so I was

[36:36] very interested to hear about the urban school idea and

[36:39] I I do understand that the reason that we make

[36:42] schools as compact as we possibly can although as a

[36:47] as a as a parent who's just seen their child

[36:50] just graduate from the school system and also as a

[36:52] teacher in my way past life ... I am not

[36:55] an expert beyond that context but I do understand some

[36:59] of the questions that parents would be asking about urban

[37:02] schools ... so it you know and I also I

[37:05] will also say a preface my comment that you know

[37:08] the schools are not the municipality's Bailey wick although they're

[37:11] one of the very important partners in the process so

[37:13] in that battery park ... city

[37:17] can you do you are you aware of that of

[37:19] the that process that went through with regard to speaking

[37:23] to people about who our educational focused about the functionality

[37:27] of those spaces with regard to like child development

[37:31] I mean when things about New York is that the

[37:33] urban school model has always been there okay yeah so

[37:36] there are there throughout

[37:38] Manhattan urban schools everywhere right even early on in the

[37:43] ... initial master plan like Toronto schools are kind of

[37:46] in the neighborhoods right used to have to walk to

[37:49] school this is within your neighborhood ... it was only

[37:52] with the car that everything got it kind of pushed

[37:55] out right ... so it is a back to the

[37:57] future model and ... we're now that we've kind of

[38:01] done the the the big picture pass at the Park

[38:05] City

[38:06] the next step is to drill down and that's what

[38:09] we're doing like as of yesterday we had a conference

[38:11] call with them about urban schools and we're we're making

[38:14] a presentation in Markham about urban schools and specifically turns

[38:19] out that I showed you just a few they're six

[38:21] schools there and some of them are sharing like in

[38:25] high school there's two ... under several others I didn't

[38:28] realise myself that there were six end the best school

[38:32] in Manhattan is there

[38:34] okay so okay I I and I understand you that's

[38:37] what's so nice is we can talk to them and

[38:39] they can tell us more and the backstory and how

[38:42] it works and what doesn't work actually I suspected that

[38:45] some sort of similar models of urban schools will be

[38:48] relevant to us as we move forward on our side

[38:50] of the highway seventy two but I guess the only

[38:53] thing I I'd I'd like to be convinced and learn

[38:55] more about this are there are there urban schools currently

[38:59] operating in in in this area now I I I

[39:02] just want to make one comment I'm not talking about

[39:06] the neighborhood schools that are in Toronto because those schools

[39:10] aren't traditional schools in fact some of them are in

[39:12] very historic buildings that have a playground maybe not as

[39:16] big as our suburban playgrounds but it is a traditional

[39:19] model of what you're talking about in urban schools ...

[39:22] is not yes I think there may be this is

[39:25] one of the things we're doing by the way on

[39:27] the open space system for lines such as we are

[39:30] revisiting

[39:31] in part because

[39:34] Calthorpe when you did the master plan he put a

[39:36] bunch of stickers found down at the end if you

[39:39] I. concert set urban school or in school or in

[39:41] school but it didn't have a park and it didn't

[39:43] have the five acres and then have anything sent something

[39:46] we're stuck with the problem and if you look at

[39:48] this why was caution you about the way you write

[39:50] your secondary plan secondary plant was sold like over prescriptive

[39:56] and had a lot to do with just an experience

[39:57] I think right this is all new okay so getting

[40:00] back to the question are you can you point me

[40:02] to an urban school

[40:04] apple intron we've actually done a couple studies we we

[40:06] retain sass architects and they've they've done a study for

[40:09] us ... and one box thirty one is one that's

[40:13] currently under construction if you go by on the ...

[40:16] Gardner you can see it down and the prevalence and

[40:18] there's like buildings all the way around tall fifty storey

[40:22] towers in the center there's like a a probably a

[40:26] four acre park and then a four acre parcel adjacent

[40:29] to it and have like a three story ... school

[40:34] with playing fields on the roof ... I don't know

[40:38] the specifics as to whether or not they have a

[40:40] play field at the ground plane I do not think

[40:43] so right you know what I do want to go

[40:44] too much further so now we have lots of other

[40:46] stuff to do so that we study I would direct

[40:48] comment to our staff and please I would like to

[40:50] get some information on that I'm sure you guys know

[40:53] this stuff so I would like to be made aware

[40:56] of it as soon as possible thank thank you this

[40:58] is very exciting forget all this is done we're going

[41:01] to the community two yeah okay thank you

[41:04] all right urban strategies

[41:07] user of preemptive

[41:09] good morning Mr flickers through two or start can I

[41:13] ask a question just before we start what is the

[41:16] acreage

[41:19] right right seventy hectares is there ... Richmond hill side

[41:22] of third row center and I'd have to convert ask

[41:26] someone to convert that for me too that's okay figure

[41:28] that out ourselves the other aspect was ... our boundary

[41:33] are eastern boundary is not all the way over to

[41:35] Bayview either that's correct okay I just since record just

[41:39] following up that there to school

[41:42] you take a look at it the trauma context one

[41:44] would be north twelve collegiate which is actually integrated with

[41:47] condominium developments on top ... and then the second is

[41:50] located in the same slow St Lawrence neighbourhood it's a

[41:53] school built into the bottom of a of a housing

[41:55] development and then the dentals ... that Michael showed they

[41:59] share the space out front it's a park on weekends

[42:02] and after hours in the school playground during the week

[42:05] they're great examples and the TVS we would be able

[42:07] to sort of give you feedback or give your team

[42:10] back on okay all right thank you okay again for

[42:14] having us my name is Li Ming graph I'm a

[42:16] senior associate planner with urban strategies ... and my colleague

[42:20] Craig many partners urban strategies and will be providing an

[42:23] update about the secondary plan study that site that's currently

[42:27] underway

[42:28] focusing on ... what we've heard so far and where

[42:30] we are in a process right now

[42:33] skipper that agenda just as a refresher in terms of

[42:36] the process we have a five phase ... a scope

[42:39] of work which we started back in April of this

[42:41] year and we spoke to lots of different people early

[42:44] on in phase one and we collected a lot of

[42:46] different information ... from a range of stakeholders from city

[42:50] staff the young subway team MTO schools school boards I

[42:53] ... hydro landowners the whole raft of stakeholders as you

[42:57] enter into process like this and that helped us to

[43:00] come up to speed with what's changed ... since the

[43:02] ten years that you naturally started planning for the Richmond

[43:05] hill centre and ... and then through phase two we

[43:08] came up with a range of different white papers from

[43:11] non background studies from urban strategies as well as all

[43:13] of our sub consultants as well and brought back information

[43:16] and a study intro kind of a kickoff envisioning events

[43:19] to the public ... in June of this year ...

[43:22] which was a fantastic event which I'll touch on in

[43:24] a couple of slides and we're here in phase three

[43:27] about halfway through and we're looking in this phase of

[43:30] testing new concepts and designs and taking all of that

[43:32] information that we gathered from the stakeholders the public will

[43:35] be here with you in the past and synthesizing those

[43:38] findings into a draft principles and draft vision and starting

[43:42] to work on one of the component parts to the

[43:44] center what is that the new vision and plan for

[43:47] the center I will take this information ... a version

[43:50] of what we're presenting to you today to the public

[43:52] on October seventh and then go back and look at

[43:55] it emerged emerging preferred option which we plan to bring

[43:58] back out to the public in the winter of twenty

[44:00] twenty and following up phases four and five I was

[44:03] draft recommendations and then the secondary plan itself

[44:09] so I touched on the open house briefly ... and

[44:11] this was an event at the end of June where

[44:13] we had a fantastic turnout figures over two hundred people

[44:16] that came out to hear about the center and I

[44:19] just wanted to emphasize that this was you know the

[44:21] beginning of our real public facing engagement ... part of

[44:25] the process I mean gauge it with many people about

[44:28] their priorities for the center about their interests and their

[44:31] visions and opinions for the center which helped us ...

[44:35] intern to find the draft vision and principles that will

[44:37] bring forward to you today for discussion

[44:41] no ... this slide summarizes both have a high level

[44:46] ... pieces of information that we gathered not only from

[44:48] the public but from stakeholders tack trying to be efficient

[44:51] aside time here's a lot of information on the slide

[44:54] but what I wanted to kind of enhanced to you

[44:57] is those those ... those broad things that we heard

[45:00] that we've really taken on ... in our process and

[45:03] I want to repeat some of those things we've already

[45:05] talked about today which is holding this and that we

[45:08] heard from yourselves from tack from the public for many

[45:11] stakeholders but this is a once in a lifetime opportunity

[45:14] and we've really taken that to heart as we continue

[45:16] to move the process ahead we've heard a lot about

[45:19] this needs to be more than a place just about

[45:21] transit needs to be a complete community a place where

[45:24] people are coming to work and play and ... engage

[45:27] with with each other and it's also pleased to think

[45:30] big and really importantly a place where new ways of

[45:33] doing things are going to be required and we've already

[45:35] heard that from Michael and we're gonna hear it a

[45:37] couple of times myself and Craig but this is this

[45:40] is a great opportunity to break out of the traditional

[45:43] forms of development and start to think about not only

[45:47] innovative ways of building you know

[45:50] the buildings themselves but the actual process the delivery the

[45:53] implementation will require partnerships and creativity and we heard a

[45:57] lot of feedback ... around topics specific areas which are

[46:01] also important to us ... and have helped define the

[46:04] vision

[46:05] we heard a lot about how people want to get

[46:07] around so first unheard about transit but we heard about

[46:09] walking with her about cycling of course we also heard

[46:11] about cars so how can you design a place that

[46:14] ... can still accommodate vehicles but not be defined by

[46:16] them

[46:18] and we heard about what kind of uses people wanna

[46:20] see we saw an emphasis on employment and really taking

[46:23] advantage of this critical place in the GTA to enhance

[46:26] the employment offering in Richmond hill and that this should

[46:29] also be a place for retail and entertainment are pleased

[46:32] with vibrancy for twenty four hour usage for living working

[46:35] and playing

[46:36] and we heard a lot about what buildings should be

[46:38] like and we heard about high quality design ... the

[46:42] need for excellent open spaces the need for transition into

[46:45] existing communities in terms of built form and how do

[46:48] you accommodate new growths in a way that ... ...

[46:51] fits with and satisfies the existing community that surrounded

[46:55] we heard about accommodating buildings to design families ... site

[46:59] to support families and seniors and a range of different

[47:02] types of users so that speaks to amenities which leads

[47:04] into the next topic Kerry were heard a lot about

[47:06] which is open space and I think Michael's quite right

[47:09] to say that open space and how you define those

[47:12] open spaces is really at the forefront of thinking about

[47:15] how these new urban communities function in a way that

[47:17] can support people and become places where people love to

[47:20] be so those spaces that are both urban and provide

[47:24] opportunities for ... and enriched enlivened environment but also relaxing

[47:28] nature focused environment as well so that that person should

[47:31] really contribute to the identity of this place and be

[47:34] at the center of its character

[47:38] so with all of that information that we gathered ...

[47:41] we've come up with a draft vision that which I

[47:44] will describe ... and emphasizing the draft piece of this

[47:48] and the graphics on the side I think it's really

[47:50] critical ... the position of Richmond hill centre its geographic

[47:54] position in the region is its distinguishing

[47:58] character the the fact that it is at the center

[48:01] of the centers and to put it in a way

[48:03] that Craig described it in conversation to me there's a

[48:06] constellation of stars and yours shines the brightest it is

[48:10] I am in a relationship to the under other centers

[48:12] that is unparalleled with the other girl centers in the

[48:15] region not only do you have the north south access

[48:17] down to downtown Toronto but the future of the GTA

[48:20] is growth will be on the East West access as

[48:23] we're looking at thirty years forty years in the future

[48:26] it's going to be that second ... arc of growth

[48:29] it's going to be so critical so in terms of

[48:32] language you know we're looking at this being a new

[48:34] urban community M. and employment health plan point in having

[48:37] a focus ... of ... at the new wave of

[48:39] growth in the GTA walkable lively urban environments that can

[48:43] draw people to work live and play

[48:48] so from a vision that we distill some principles and

[48:50] you're all structuring elements that we use in a secondary

[48:53] plan process to help us ... kind of communicate with

[48:56] stakeholders in the community that we're establishing a framework that

[49:00] will then the informer ideas and be the backbone to

[49:03] any of the options that we come forward with so

[49:05] they're six principles ... that we have drafted thus far

[49:09] and I'll take you through them one by one and

[49:12] hit on some of the highlights the first principles that

[49:14] there should be a place for people to work live

[49:17] and have fun and I think this really emphasizes what

[49:19] we've heard that this should be a place that's not

[49:21] just a transit hub not just a high density residential

[49:24] neighborhood he needs to play to be a place that's

[49:27] transit integrated that's vibrant that has a range of different

[49:30] job opportunities residential opportunities and diversity in terms of its

[49:34] use ... this is spoken to in the policy direction

[49:36] as well but we really wanted to emphasize that that

[49:39] that that the ... to the character of the place

[49:42] needs to be mixed at its heart

[49:45] the second principle has to do with high quality design

[49:48] and ... we heard a lot from people about how

[49:51] the police would feel I think there's a real strong

[49:53] desire for high quality architecture not just in terms of

[49:56] looking at beautiful buildings but how did those buildings create

[50:00] places and that's really what can drive and attracts people

[50:03] to live here and to work here is that sense

[50:05] of a place that when you come to Richmond hill

[50:07] centre in your mind's eye you shouldn't see a subway

[50:10] station or go station or bus terminal you should see

[50:13] the place beyond that so ... the principle here is

[50:16] around placemaking and high quality design ... and around that

[50:19] is efficient use of land so with all the transit

[50:21] infrastructure that's coming along with this place how can we

[50:25] ensure that high quality design and great placemaking occurs in

[50:29] amongst the kind of heavy infrastructure that's necessary in terms

[50:32] of bus terminal to rail or subway infrastructure whatever it

[50:34] may be high quality design needs to be at the

[50:37] forefront

[50:39] the third principle is about inclusivity and that it should

[50:42] be a place to accommodate all people we've talked a

[50:44] little bit about schools are ready today and that said

[50:47] the principle here should be that Richmond hill should be

[50:49] desirable inclusive for people of all ages and have the

[50:52] opportunity to accommodate those folks in a range of different

[50:55] households and have a community services to serve all of

[50:58] those different populations and that will require some of the

[51:01] creative thinking and that we've talked about already

[51:06] the fourth principle is around movement so it should be

[51:09] a place for people to walk bike and take transit

[51:12] ... right and emphasize the pedestrian oriented nature of urban

[51:15] center with the finest grains network of streets Sir creating

[51:19] a network that not only defines building blocks but also

[51:22] how people move around and that it can now integrate

[51:25] with its existing surroundings transit facilities and that seamless integration

[51:30] of development with transit and ... and recognition that we

[51:34] need to be able to accommodate cars but not in

[51:36] a way that's going to define or ... ... disrupt

[51:39] the quality of overall place

[51:43] the fifths principle is about sustainability I mean in this

[51:46] day and age ... climate change discussions around climate change

[51:49] a very active in real and not as we know

[51:52] that cities will continue to grow and intensify sustainable environmentally

[51:56] responsible growth needs to be at the forefront of how

[51:58] we define our places I need to be part of

[52:01] the expectations around how growth occurs so that the development

[52:04] of the center will take a comprehensive approach to sustainability

[52:08] not just in terms of building systems but looking at

[52:10] the master planned scale as well so infrastructure planning urban

[52:14] design architecture open space design there's lots of different ways

[52:17] to get it sustainability we want to make sure that's

[52:20] embedded in the plan as it's created

[52:24] and finally ... the six principal is around innovation and

[52:28] technology and has two elements to it ... I think

[52:31] there's a lot of current conversations around smart technology smart

[52:33] cities I want regional center to be future focused and

[52:37] prepared for how technology makes me ... ... influence how

[52:41] our cities are evolving and want to be able to

[52:43] leverage that and ... health creator so ... enable the

[52:48] city to ... adapts to technology as advanced as it

[52:51] advances but the piece of this principle that I think

[52:54] is even more important is that innovation in terms of

[52:56] decision making in terms of implementation in terms of collaboration

[53:00] so requiring innovation in our thinking about how we deliver

[53:04] ... urban planning as we're thinking about it here today

[53:08] and I think it's this kind of collaboration and this

[53:10] kind of ... ... communication with all the stakeholders involved

[53:15] to create this place that can make us the international

[53:18] showpiece just as Michael's giving us an example of battery

[53:21] Park City should not thirty years from now someone come

[53:24] to you and say how did you do it so

[53:27] I think its innovation that's going to be at the

[53:28] heart of making that possible

[53:34] right thanks a lot Lee ... what I'm gonna do

[53:36] is I think as we mentioned word of point in

[53:39] the process right now where we're developing a series of

[53:42] different options and ideas and really trying to refine those

[53:44] and understand how they land ... in the in the

[53:47] place I'm gonna talk about ten key ideas and he

[53:50] certainly aren't all of them ... for the center a

[53:53] number of which flow either you are captured directly within

[53:56] the principles are or flow right out of the principals

[53:59] at it leaves just described

[54:04] so the first and I think perhaps one of the

[54:06] most fundamental that key ideas here is really making sure

[54:10] that this place develops as an important place of employment

[54:13] one of the things we heard is that people don't

[54:16] want this just to be another sort of high density

[54:18] enclave at the end of the subway line where people

[54:21] in the morning they get on the subway they go

[54:23] back down it is so strategically positioned within the greater

[54:27] Toronto area that this actually should be a place where

[54:30] we are focusing our employment and you know in discussions

[54:34] people refer to this as well could this be the

[54:36] Canary Wharf and what Canary Wharf was to city ...

[54:39] in London the way it helped to sort of provide

[54:42] a different type of employment offer an accommodation and shift

[54:46] the gravity ... within ... the greater London area a

[54:49] terms of employment ... I think if you think about

[54:53] this in terms of closer to home and what you

[54:55] see coming forward on east harbor this is a project

[54:58] we're currently involved with in downtown Toronto which is looking

[55:01] at somewhere around ten million square feet of new office

[55:04] and retail development it has a sort of similar characteristics

[55:08] that's a development that is able to take place because

[55:11] of the transit investment which is is converging there if

[55:14] I was to say one thing about that project in

[55:17] comparison to Richmond hill is it that project is taking

[55:20] place in employment area and therefore it is strictly in

[55:23] employment place and I think Richmond hill has the ability

[55:27] to sort of went out that by being actually a

[55:30] truly mixed use integrated residential and employment place and we

[55:34] know from the geography of employment across the greater Toronto

[55:37] area and beyond the top ten players and employees are

[55:42] actually grabbing gravitating to those places that aren't just solely

[55:46] employment but actually provide that critical mix of living and

[55:49] working in entertainment ... and so I think this is

[55:52] a real strategic advantage for research center

[55:55] and I can just do it from here

[55:58] ... as we mentioned we've heard really strongly that this

[56:02] place just shouldn't be recognized as being a transit hub

[56:06] it should be recognized as being a great place that

[56:08] yes happens to be supported by excellent transit connectivity and

[56:13] doing so means that we need to set out how

[56:16] we integrate new development and a mix of uses a

[56:19] very carefully with transit that is a tricky thing to

[56:23] do I won't kid you about it but it's certainly

[56:25] possible and I think there's great examples of it what

[56:28] you see on your screens here this is a CIBC

[56:31] square it's a project that we've been involved with from

[56:34] the start and what was really important or interesting to

[56:37] note about it is there's a fourteen day bus terminal

[56:40] integrated into the base of that that building and that

[56:42] building plugs into Union Station around it and development to

[56:45] the north and it actually has a a park that

[56:47] spans over the rail corridor on it ... which I'll

[56:50] get to in a little bit to get that to

[56:52] work it took the agency Metrolinx and Ivanho Cambridge the

[56:56] developer to really work together on designing that piece of

[57:00] infrastructure to make sure it can support that development and

[57:03] it took that commitment and what that says is we

[57:05] have to keep our eye on these concepts as they

[57:08] come forward for the subway in the transit terminal and

[57:11] really sort of have a keen focus on making sure

[57:13] that they're designed in a way that help to support

[57:15] development over the longer term

[57:21] ... Michael touched on the hydro corridor I think we've

[57:24] heard a lot about the hydro corridor if we are

[57:26] actually thinking long term about this I think most people

[57:30] would agree it's not a desirable condition to have a

[57:32] hydro corridor running along the south side of the center

[57:37] ... we have been in discussions with hydro to try

[57:40] to figure out what is and isn't possible I think

[57:43] it's fair to say that whatever happens will be expensive

[57:47] and sort of complicated but it does appear that there

[57:50] may be the ability to look at bearing the hydro

[57:53] corridor and in doing so actually free up a chunk

[57:57] of land on the south side of garden Avenue which

[58:00] had the potential for new development basically to complete that

[58:04] street and have a street with buildings on both side

[58:06] of it I think that's where we want to go

[58:08] to quite a bit of a complete center what's important

[58:10] at this stage of the game is to signal our

[58:12] intent and desire to do that so that as the

[58:15] market changes as opportunities come that that becomes a possibility

[58:21] I think the other thing is to think about what

[58:22] you do with the land beneath those buried hydro cables

[58:26] because we know we can't do much with it is

[58:28] the potential to create a greenway that stretches from young

[58:31] street in the west in the storm water management pond

[58:34] all the way east of Bayview and the ravine court

[58:37] or they are in the network of trails and parks

[58:39] that are connected to it to actually create a much

[58:41] larger ... civic open space gesture there I think those

[58:44] are some of the ideas that were starting to think

[58:46] about

[58:50] we heard a lot about the importance of design excellence

[58:54] and thinking very strategically about how you deal with high

[58:57] density residential development which is ringed for the most part

[59:01] in stable low rise residential neighborhoods one of the challenges

[59:06] of developing a new center like this is actually making

[59:09] it not look like a single project where you have

[59:12] a lot of buildings that look very similar ... in

[59:15] characteristics so we need to be building and you are

[59:18] planning ways to support design innovation so that what you

[59:22] get are a series of very different distinct but also

[59:25] high quality buildings that together help to create the place

[59:29] I think that's what we like about some of our

[59:31] best cities is that variety that exists there they don't

[59:33] look like a a mega project in there this example

[59:38] which you see here this is a project working on

[59:40] ... it's the redevelopment of the Armistead site located in

[59:44] the annex neighbourhood in Toronto it's called Mirvish village and

[59:47] the approach there has really to be much more flexible

[59:50] about the design so that you have buildings that have

[59:54] a variety of very characteristic at the street level they're

[59:58] much more granular so you'll see on the picture here

[1:00:00] there's pedestrian mews and walkways that break up the block

[1:00:04] there's new classes in open spaces with that are in

[1:00:06] there and I think very important if you're familiar with

[1:00:10] the annex in Toronto you'll know that it's it's quite

[1:00:12] a stable neighborhood this development has carefully thought about massing

[1:00:17] and how it steps itself down to the neighborhood so

[1:00:20] it's not felt as as as it's not felt as

[1:00:23] seven as at any position on the neighborhood but actually

[1:00:27] in new assets what we want to do is we

[1:00:29] want to position the center so that people living in

[1:00:32] those houses actually view it as an extension of their

[1:00:35] neighborhoods and something that they can take advantage of it

[1:00:38] could also provide the opportunity for people as they you

[1:00:41] know get older they want to move or or ...

[1:00:44] you know downsized they have a place right next door

[1:00:47] not only has all those amenities but for the ability

[1:00:50] for them to do that so we got to make

[1:00:51] that connection between ... between the two

[1:00:56] what struck me perhaps the most about this public open

[1:01:00] house that he attended where the number of people that

[1:01:03] came up and said we've no matter what we do

[1:01:06] this has to be an inclusive place I've got ...

[1:01:10] sons or daughters who are just graduating university and they

[1:01:13] can't afford a place to live I'm living in a

[1:01:16] three thousand square foot home and where am I going

[1:01:19] to go when we no longer want to maintain this

[1:01:22] place how are we going to be able to live

[1:01:23] in a place can we stay in our community and

[1:01:26] can Richmond hill centre P. the vehicle to enable us

[1:01:29] to to do that ... so these are really important

[1:01:32] principles we want to embed and we've been working with

[1:01:35] the city of Toronto on developing a guideline it's called

[1:01:37] growing up at it's about growing families in high density

[1:01:41] neighborhoods and what we've learned through that exercise is that

[1:01:45] a lot of the principles that make good family high

[1:01:47] density housing which relate to the design of the unit

[1:01:51] the design of the buildings and design of the neighborhood

[1:01:53] are also the same sorts of principles that are important

[1:01:57] to support people and their elderly and there's the same

[1:02:01] sort of ... synergy between those two so if we

[1:02:04] just think carefully about how we designed this place we

[1:02:07] think we can set it up to ... embed the

[1:02:09] principles in the planning to help make sure that what

[1:02:11] comes forward is supportive of those obviously we have to

[1:02:14] think about affordable housing and how that gets embedded in

[1:02:17] there as well so that people of all ages all

[1:02:20] incomes have the ability to sort of living here

[1:02:26] one of the things that I think we've really forgotten

[1:02:29] how to do well in North America is great truly

[1:02:33] walkable high density places I think it's that characteristic in

[1:02:38] a lot of the older cities that that we really

[1:02:40] tend to gravitate to and for a lot of reasons

[1:02:43] and including quite frankly economic reasons it's very difficult to

[1:02:47] achieve that ... in the north American context and this

[1:02:51] is something that certainly on our minds because we certainly

[1:02:53] heard a lot about it ... it's not to say

[1:02:56] it's it's impossible though and the example that you have

[1:02:59] on your screen is is one approach that that we

[1:03:01] could actually look at this is the well in Toronto

[1:03:04] and it's a it's a mega project it's over a

[1:03:06] million some odd square feet of retail office and residential

[1:03:09] development but when we did the master plan for this

[1:03:13] the approach taken was to actually take this big development

[1:03:16] and break it up so you see there's a bunch

[1:03:18] of pedestrian connections there's laneways muses interior to this there's

[1:03:23] a gallery ... that connects through it and what that

[1:03:25] does is it has the effect of taking a larger

[1:03:28] block which is a bit more economic and efficient for

[1:03:30] the developer and breaking it up so that for the

[1:03:33] pedestrian on the street they actually view it as a

[1:03:35] series of much smaller developments interestingly though I need this

[1:03:40] project is a single level her single grade actually multiple

[1:03:44] grades but they're all connected below grade so you have

[1:03:47] your servicing your parking and all the stuff that works

[1:03:50] together that's really efficient from a developer's perspective but again

[1:03:54] you're able to do that while achieving what we actually

[1:03:56] want to achieve at grade which is a more fine

[1:03:59] grained pedestrian oriented environment

[1:04:04] we heard a lot about the storm water management pond

[1:04:07] this is a large pond it's at the gateway to

[1:04:09] the center it occupies a significant piece of geography and

[1:04:13] I think you know as we've been digging into this

[1:04:15] it's it's fair to say that doing much with it

[1:04:18] it would be very very complicated there are hydro corridors

[1:04:22] that run over it there is a fortune future for

[1:04:25] seven transit way which is going to sort of cut

[1:04:28] through it and we've discovered that if you touch the

[1:04:30] pond you actually have to put it back in a

[1:04:33] if you do a significant changes to it you have

[1:04:35] to put it back in a bigger way ... and

[1:04:37] so all of that is challenging but that doesn't mean

[1:04:40] we can't think creatively about how this can be used

[1:04:43] as an important asset for Richmond hill center and I

[1:04:46] think there's a great example of this ... on your

[1:04:48] screens here and this is from the Alicante Spain

[1:04:52] this what you're looking at here is actually a storm

[1:04:55] water management pond it's also designed to be a park

[1:04:58] this part of Spain they get significant rainfalls and what

[1:05:02] happens is when when that occurs they get tremendous flooding

[1:05:06] this whole place has been designed to flood right up

[1:05:08] to the top of it and then as the water

[1:05:10] recedes it becomes a park again isn't there an opportunity

[1:05:14] to take a look at the storm water management pond

[1:05:16] which we know is you know a bit of a

[1:05:18] challenging piece to deal with in other terms but actually

[1:05:21] transform it into more than a point but actually amenity

[1:05:25] for the community something that in the fullness of time

[1:05:27] could connect to perhaps that hydro corridor green way link

[1:05:31] back to the river and valley system and create something

[1:05:34] which is much bigger in terms of the asset and

[1:05:37] amenity it provides for that community

[1:05:40] we talked about being forward looking at and thinking about

[1:05:45] that changes that are taking place at one of the

[1:05:47] key ways of doing that is also thinking about how

[1:05:50] buildings adapt you know when I lived in London we

[1:05:53] lived in a place called Bloomsbury and that place where

[1:05:56] I lived in at one point in time was a

[1:05:58] house then it got converted to an office development and

[1:06:02] then it got converted into a series of flats the

[1:06:05] design of the building enabled it to constantly change and

[1:06:08] adapt over hundreds of years and I think we need

[1:06:11] to be thinking about that in Richmond hill centre one

[1:06:13] of the biggest changes that's actually on our doorstep is

[1:06:16] this transition from vehicles that are driven by single drivers

[1:06:19] to a more thana miss vehicle and we know from

[1:06:23] certainly the work that we've been doing with MTO looking

[1:06:26] at this issue ... that there's a number of ways

[1:06:28] that that that could that could play out one of

[1:06:31] which is we need less cars and what we don't

[1:06:34] want to be doing is developing lots of parking structures

[1:06:37] are underground parking that twenty years down the road six

[1:06:41] they're empty and we have no way of re purposing

[1:06:44] those so I think this is a great example for

[1:06:46] Miami it was on one of the earlier slides it's

[1:06:48] a parking deck that has been designed in check intentionally

[1:06:52] to be converted over time to support other sorts of

[1:06:55] uses again it's those type of principles and thinking that

[1:06:58] we can start to a bed in the planning for

[1:07:00] this so that we have a much more flexible buildings

[1:07:03] going forward

[1:07:05] thinking about integration of high tech and smart technologies is

[1:07:09] also a top of mind ... on a lot of

[1:07:11] people's minds these days ... I know we've been talking

[1:07:15] a lot during the sidewalk labs and in downtown Toronto

[1:07:19] ... and really what people are looking for is how

[1:07:23] can you later on technology in a way that makes

[1:07:25] people's lives easier and helps to sort of make the

[1:07:28] city a function better first and foremost I would say

[1:07:32] and we've certainly learned this on sidewalk focus on the

[1:07:35] creation of great places then think about how technology can

[1:07:39] lay and former top of that ... that sort of

[1:07:43] innovation can also apply to how we deliver services and

[1:07:47] so often when we design our cities we designed them

[1:07:50] for the smallest fire truck that you have for the

[1:07:53] smallest garbage truck that you had and that means we

[1:07:55] have streets that are oversized ... here's a great example

[1:07:59] from Stockholm ... this is the vacuum waste systems updating

[1:08:02] to graded through much of their city actually too much

[1:08:04] of the urban centers in Sweden to be honest ...

[1:08:07] and what you do is you put your garbage in

[1:08:10] a you know one of these vacuum wastes ... tubes

[1:08:13] they get sucked to a combined heat and power plant

[1:08:16] they get burned it's extremely clean at the result is

[1:08:21] at an inert material that they put back in the

[1:08:23] roads the heat from that process goes back to the

[1:08:27] community to keep the houses and the electricity generated through

[1:08:30] that provides those houses ... ... with that with clean

[1:08:33] electricity it's a sustainable thing to do it means that

[1:08:37] their cities are more compact you don't have garbage put

[1:08:40] out on the streets every single night you don't have

[1:08:42] garbage trucks rumbling down the streets and SO thinking carefully

[1:08:47] again about how we deliver services in here and what

[1:08:51] the potential might be is also something we're trying to

[1:08:53] abandon this I know inside what we're looking at ...

[1:08:56] below grade at conveyor belts to deliver packages because we

[1:08:59] all on Amazon now and we want that package tomorrow

[1:09:02] and that's for the trucks on the road

[1:09:06] this is the last big idea I want to talk

[1:09:08] about I think it's the first idea that Michael touched

[1:09:11] upon in his presentation ... which is the notion of

[1:09:14] using the space above the rail corridor for new development

[1:09:17] and open space ... the girl quarters a great thing

[1:09:21] it's a tremendous asset it connects you to the rest

[1:09:24] of the region but in the fullness of time what

[1:09:26] it's going to mean is you have two sides of

[1:09:28] Richmond hill centre and that's probably not where you want

[1:09:31] to be over the long term and we know from

[1:09:34] some of the work that we've been doing with Realtek

[1:09:36] parking trauma where these two projects here union part drawn

[1:09:39] CIBC square get what you need to be doing at

[1:09:42] this stage of the game is putting in place the

[1:09:44] policy framework that starts to say what you want to

[1:09:47] have happen over that rail corridor so that you're setting

[1:09:51] expectations it also means putting in place a framework to

[1:09:54] ensure that as bridging decking development

[1:09:58] what have you happens over the corridor it happens in

[1:10:02] a way that integrates into the places around you ...

[1:10:06] so again there's lots of ways that this could come

[1:10:07] forward it could be an open space it could conceivably

[1:10:11] be in open space was with a collection of sort

[1:10:13] of civic buildings in uses around there right at the

[1:10:16] heart of the century we need to define that now

[1:10:21] and we need to them in bed that and the

[1:10:22] planning so you don't end up years down the road

[1:10:25] getting in a little bit of a back and forth

[1:10:26] with that with with C. N. ... Metrolinx of ever

[1:10:29] owns the sort of writes about their ... with what

[1:10:31] that should actually be

[1:10:34] so those are the ten kind of key ideas that

[1:10:36] we wanted to present to you if there is a

[1:10:38] takeaway and and it's funny because of really echoing I

[1:10:41] think a bit what we heard in Michael's presentation that

[1:10:45] we want to get what you get from this is

[1:10:47] the notion of if you want a really bold and

[1:10:50] innovative center we actually have to think creatively about how

[1:10:54] we build it it means thinking differently about how we

[1:10:57] deal with infrastructure like rail corridors hydro corridors stormwater management

[1:11:02] ponds thinking differently about how we integrate community facilities or

[1:11:06] design our buildings and and and deal with some of

[1:11:09] those issues or even thinking creatively about how we deal

[1:11:12] with new technologies in Baghdad in and I think by

[1:11:16] doing that it will actually enable you to break out

[1:11:18] of the mold of some of the other centers that

[1:11:20] were seen come forward at the moment can develop something

[1:11:23] which is much more urban and I think much more

[1:11:25] in keeping with the real significant ambitions we hear from

[1:11:29] you and from everyone else ... that people have for

[1:11:33] the center

[1:11:34] in terms of next steps and what we'll be doing

[1:11:38] is we're gonna be having attack meeting later on this

[1:11:41] afternoon where we'll be going through these ideas in a

[1:11:44] bit more sorry what kind of ... sorry it at

[1:11:47] that a technical advisory committee ... okay it was a

[1:11:52] big firm around here called tactical

[1:11:56] make sure

[1:11:57] right now to see how you're not owner

[1:12:05] you know and

[1:12:07] with the technical advisory committee and so afternoon will be

[1:12:10] going to these ideas in a bit more detail along

[1:12:13] with a number of other ideas as well ... on

[1:12:17] those all of which is to sort of get feedback

[1:12:19] and start to prepare for an open house which is

[1:12:22] coming in about a week and a half ... which

[1:12:24] were really looking forward to on the seventh we will

[1:12:27] be taking the feedback from that ... and then really

[1:12:30] starting to refine the draft vision and principles and taking

[1:12:34] these emerging ideas and starting to locate them in a

[1:12:37] much more place specific way ... in terms of an

[1:12:40] emerging draft concept and which we then hope to bring

[1:12:44] out ... in the in the new year

[1:12:46] so thank you very much for your time we really

[1:12:48] appreciate that

[1:12:51] ... it is on the top or second and that's

[1:12:54] at seven or seven yeah

[1:12:57] it's open second

[1:13:00] 77

[1:13:02] yes number two yeah exactly ... so when we go

[1:13:05] out into the community are these the type of ...

[1:13:09] slides that they'll be seen ... hi there those principles

[1:13:13] ... though those principles that brought those K. key ideas

[1:13:17] forward I just wonder this is the type of thing

[1:13:20] yes is this going to be ... artists Rawson slides

[1:13:23] ... but also I think we are going to be

[1:13:25] talking about some structuring ideas as well so you know

[1:13:28] for example advocate health care okay have fun with it

[1:13:33] if this was the fourth of what people would be

[1:13:35] seen that's important too things you gotta get it out

[1:13:38] there and second he explained you know what what we're

[1:13:41] trying to do and and even if you've done it

[1:13:43] well with the whole community building process and ... the

[1:13:46] whole idea of ... is not a transit hub and

[1:13:49] it needs to we need to be very flexible and

[1:13:51] many things a lot of the principles that you've talked

[1:13:53] about work I think we kind of covered the last

[1:13:56] time what was the first time we were together ...

[1:13:59] here you know to say this is what we are

[1:14:01] looking to have ... and ... and seeing it more

[1:14:05] and more along with with Michael in the city of

[1:14:08] ... Markham and then other areas like that it's important

[1:14:12] that we ... we keep moving you know what those

[1:14:15] levels

[1:14:17] that you just described it where we should be and

[1:14:20] so I think that's important

[1:14:22]

[1:14:24] questions comments

[1:14:26] please read the

[1:14:29] consists of it's

[1:14:31] thank you Mr mayor thank you for your for both

[1:14:34] presentations Michael thank you very much ... also to Julie

[1:14:39] and Craig greatly appreciate it and also to our staff

[1:14:42] I would think mita and her staff ... for meeting

[1:14:46] with me and ... making sure that I understand what

[1:14:49] was going to be presented here today it's was the

[1:14:52] meeting we had was exceptional and ... ... I just

[1:14:56] wanted to mention that I truly truly appreciated the discussion

[1:15:00] ... by the way the hectic to a conversion is

[1:15:04] a hundred and seventy three

[1:15:07] I thank god for Google eight hundred seventy three acres

[1:15:10] thank you very much so it's bigger than mark comes

[1:15:17] just say I've got a lot of notes here and

[1:15:19] if I may to you Mr mayor I just want

[1:15:21] to go through them ...

[1:15:24] I I think it was Michael who said that the

[1:15:27] world has changed and indeed it has there's no question

[1:15:29] even in the ten years since we last did out

[1:15:32] our last official plan we see how everything has changed

[1:15:36] and how we have to change in how we think

[1:15:39] and what we believe we need to see that change

[1:15:43] can be difficult and change has a long has a

[1:15:47] long pathway

[1:15:48] and ... our residents especially where I am concerned out

[1:15:53] the abutting residential side and what five to the west

[1:15:56] of young M. has my attention so ... I I

[1:16:02] I love the vision for this and Markham's version as

[1:16:05] well remarkable ... but I do believe what we need

[1:16:08] to make sure when I had this discussion with me

[1:16:12] as well what we need to ensure is that residents

[1:16:15] are of food me within the belief structure we talking

[1:16:20] about decades of development and something that is decades into

[1:16:25] the future so that's not so overwhelming to them ...

[1:16:29] and that's very important and as they begin to understand

[1:16:32] more about where we are going and how we need

[1:16:35] to do it

[1:16:36] that pathway becomes a little bit easier for them to

[1:16:39] grasp I am I love the idea of ... what

[1:16:42] you were saying about him downsizing and your the one

[1:16:46] slide here to me is the most important so how

[1:16:50] M. D. the new development becomes an extension of what

[1:16:55] they're already is and it gives the error the existing

[1:16:59] residents who currently live in those established neighborhoods in ward

[1:17:02] five on the west side I'm talking about that specifically

[1:17:05] the ability to also downsize and go and go perhaps

[1:17:10] from where they are on that side to the other

[1:17:13] side of young as they as they grow in the

[1:17:16] families grow and their properties and have become more valuable

[1:17:21] they can sell them they can then buy something has

[1:17:23] it all M. it's it is a seamless integration and

[1:17:29] I think that's very important and on our

[1:17:32] a residence how citizens need to understand that because otherwise

[1:17:35] when you see as the mayor said holding up those

[1:17:39] at the pictures of those extremely tall both buildings you

[1:17:42] know you have visions of Blade Runner running three hole

[1:17:45] thanks for your mind and that's something we want to

[1:17:47] try and not have so ... I I applaud the

[1:17:52] six principles and ... I I want to thank you

[1:17:56] for your discussion and thought about the storm water management

[1:18:00] pond that exists say whether we spoke about that before

[1:18:03] ... I believe ... in a council west's ... wardrobe

[1:18:08] a pock is is very is significant if you haven't

[1:18:11] visited they you should look at it it's on ...

[1:18:14] male and young better start distant and middle and that

[1:18:19] middle of the the rubble rubble pond was was re

[1:18:24] rehabilitated and restored it exact exactly what you were speaking

[1:18:28] about their that it became a park not just ...

[1:18:32] storm water management pond and the rules I would gene

[1:18:35] hearing of course did an excellent excellent job is so

[1:18:38] if you look at that you that's much smaller of

[1:18:40] course but it that's a very very good example ...

[1:18:43] I know I don't have much time here and

[1:18:47] while we well this is all very exciting and and

[1:18:51] it is but also must be tempered by the knowledge

[1:18:55] that this is all very ... dependent on money I

[1:18:59] mean I just seeing dollar signs flashing in front of

[1:19:02] my eyes and it's not only public money but it's

[1:19:05] private money as well ... and and really what you

[1:19:08] what you see here is that we have the sky

[1:19:10] to develop because you had your so you weren't you

[1:19:14] we also maintained within the specific M. land area the

[1:19:18] only area we really have to develop this guy so

[1:19:21] ... the future vision that I see here is also

[1:19:24] very market driven

[1:19:26] so skews me it will depend on on on the

[1:19:30] market as to how these private land developers at begin

[1:19:34] the begin this construction just to quickly finish hi I

[1:19:38] would like to see the connection between the north south

[1:19:41] connection between like staff and Richmond hill Santa week there

[1:19:45] are residents need to be able to move between each

[1:19:47] other very very friendly and ... I I we're going

[1:19:51] to have a challenge with the courtyard Musa walkability system

[1:19:56] because that that was a that was a concept and

[1:20:01] also part of official plan which was the then downtown

[1:20:05] local and secondary plan which is now been repealed and

[1:20:08] it was those chord charts and muse which created huge

[1:20:11] consternation amongst the landowners so in order for us to

[1:20:14] engage these landowners we need to make sure that they

[1:20:17] are accepting of that as well so I know that

[1:20:19] that'll come in and ... I just again thank you

[1:20:21] very much and I look forward to the October seventh

[1:20:24] ... public at public consultation I will be there because

[1:20:28] you can't

[1:20:29] thank you very much ... Mr mayor and thank you

[1:20:33] on a consultant on the Richmond hill centre presentation also

[1:20:37] Michael always good to know what our neighbors are doing

[1:20:41] all we will be doing ... I asked for to

[1:20:44] have faith showing off the boundary because that what helps

[1:20:49] because opposing earlier I kind of searching for it but

[1:20:52] I don't see it here but I know where it

[1:20:54] is but I think it's helpful all even though that

[1:20:58] ... we all embarking on quite honestly very exciting you

[1:21:02] know like this I just when I'm looking at it

[1:21:05] ... walk before the presentation this is using ... ...

[1:21:11] the term here on parallel I mean for a long

[1:21:14] time not always ... believe strongly believe in that your

[1:21:18] Sims or some evidence now this bridge menu center highway

[1:21:22] seven and young is truly awful seven strategic center of

[1:21:26] GTA

[1:21:28] well young and highly seven is where your business begins

[1:21:33] I mean this is economic development new account of having

[1:21:37] said that ...

[1:21:39] I am very interested in particular one

[1:21:45] the first time I see the word entertainment bring brought

[1:21:49] in here I'm a strong believer that yes not a

[1:21:53] good place to live and work

[1:21:55] plate not meaning just packs you know ... ... although

[1:22:01] this is something we're talking about in fact I like

[1:22:03] to get through you this chair comments from ... the

[1:22:07] consultant ... it might not be the same but ...

[1:22:12] further around the Humber area where the new ... goal

[1:22:17] station if I understand correctly it's going to be totally

[1:22:21] totally funded by private sector I believe there's a company

[1:22:25] called live work learn and play sell through you I'm

[1:22:29] just wonder what kind of concept would you see in

[1:22:32] terms of my call just manageable dollar sign or somehow

[1:22:36] I don't your appendix but having said that ... seeing

[1:22:40] those things are happening around us how do you see

[1:22:44] that could play a part in truly developing strategic center

[1:22:49] of the new GTA for the centrist a cop free

[1:22:53] check up with

[1:22:56] K. ... yeah I think it just took a couple

[1:22:58] thoughts on that we have been thinking very much about

[1:23:01] the play side of it and and the enjoyment which

[1:23:04] involves a number of things it's you know it's retail

[1:23:06] it's entertainment its at restaurants all of that sort of

[1:23:09] works together and I think what we've been doing is

[1:23:12] as we've been re looking at at some of the

[1:23:15] previous thinking has been to ask ourselves well have we

[1:23:18] just been spreading things to to ten ... and do

[1:23:22] we need to be concentrating those activities a little bit

[1:23:25] more thinking about how they relate to things like employment

[1:23:28] the transit hub young street and actually being a lot

[1:23:31] more intentional and where we try to focus or encourage

[1:23:35] ... that sort of activity do occur so that you

[1:23:37] actually do have a critical mass which I think is

[1:23:39] really important for that if you if you are familiar

[1:23:42] with the the foreplay and how they how they work

[1:23:45] what they do is they think about curating these types

[1:23:48] of things and it's about

[1:23:51] yeah well it's about making sure they all work together

[1:23:53] right and so ... part of the thinking and certainly

[1:23:56] discussion this afternoon is can we actually start to focus

[1:24:00] that effort and we're in the correct spots to focus

[1:24:02] six so from a planning perspective we can build that

[1:24:05] into the the policy framework

[1:24:07] okay thank you talk about planning on I'd like to

[1:24:11] I I really enjoy hearing that being converse being inclusive

[1:24:16] and for all ages and concept is a popular ...

[1:24:20] having solved up to look into ... developing office of

[1:24:26] vehicle developing age friendly community now it's better planning component

[1:24:32] so this is a prime opportunity if I look at

[1:24:35] this because we have a plan to get out so

[1:24:39] those kind of age friendly community concept from a planning

[1:24:43] perspective maybe planning commissioner to strut around this is banned

[1:24:47] pension of course of that could be integrated into this

[1:24:52] design for everything so I just want to make a

[1:24:55] note of that Gration up with places all for now

[1:24:59] I want to provide different feedback I caught up from

[1:25:04] what six residents and that's why I mentioned about the

[1:25:08] boundary two times the reason is that I have a

[1:25:13] number of Russian came to me

[1:25:15] they were concerned

[1:25:17] that ... if the future of the world twenty second

[1:25:23] century look what that means some of the

[1:25:27] properties within this area they may be

[1:25:32] expropriated of course the public stretch a bit too much

[1:25:36] for the imagination yes yes yes but but this I'm

[1:25:40] just trying to saying it so that perhaps at the

[1:25:43] second open house this kind of concern could be hit

[1:25:47] head on no we're not doing this this is what

[1:25:50] a boundary is consumed with our aim is for the

[1:25:53] future not to try to take away the existing ...

[1:25:57] property on Griffin the boundary I I'm just saying this

[1:26:00] because this important message to say it an open house

[1:26:04] and I just want to bring to attention because I

[1:26:06] don't seem to see you're capturing it maybe do some

[1:26:10] ... and and I even have people come back they

[1:26:12] say could be ... how could they possibly they could

[1:26:14] develop it reflecting how place love children misconception but it

[1:26:20] to be ... touch on hello I like to focus

[1:26:24] employment as someone who also believe that Richman is good

[1:26:28] place to do business this half all the all the

[1:26:31] right markings the place to be the place for future

[1:26:34] employment so we can attract more traffic when the subway

[1:26:37] is here to go northbound to repair center so look

[1:26:41] forward to the ... October seventh

[1:26:44] exciting thank you will bring the world to us thank

[1:26:47] you

[1:26:48] thank you counselor to pop

[1:26:50] American thank you Mr mayor I thank you for the

[1:26:53] presentation ... you know it's really good useful information that

[1:26:57] as we go forward I I just just have a

[1:26:59] question about ...

[1:27:02] the the the land ownership and ... Markham seem to

[1:27:06] have done a good job working together with the two

[1:27:09] landowners in conjunction with the ... they're they're planning staff

[1:27:14] there were as the music and a plan there's a

[1:27:17] lot of cooperation and going to New York is evidence

[1:27:20] that there was a real group working together now we

[1:27:23] just have one or two landowners private land owners there

[1:27:27] and then ... a lot of

[1:27:30] a lot of provincial agencies that the city itself

[1:27:35] is it

[1:27:37] is it ... is it premature to to plan this

[1:27:40] all and then and then maybe the landowners are not

[1:27:44] and not a not in sync with the timing this

[1:27:47] is not what they want to builder able to builder

[1:27:50] this is that correct consideration I think our process of

[1:27:53] it with the landowners so we've spoken with all the

[1:27:55] landowners through phase one stakeholder interviews but we've also invited

[1:27:58] ... I process with the DG group in particular so

[1:28:01] major landowners Connor DG on the north side ... through

[1:28:05] the process in each phase and ... ... working group

[1:28:07] with them so that were in that reflecting our ideas

[1:28:11] with them as we move forward in the process of

[1:28:13] getting their feedback and can trying to get on the

[1:28:15] same page about what the expectations are for the center

[1:28:17] where they're at in their process where we're going ...

[1:28:20] and I think it's safe to say for as a

[1:28:22] master planning exercise piece of this the city has a

[1:28:25] role to establish its expectations in consultation with the landowners

[1:28:29] and the public of course and when that development comes

[1:28:31] online is when that development comes online but we want

[1:28:34] them to be ... we want our ideas and kind

[1:28:37] of ... positioning about the vision in particular the principles

[1:28:40] to to ... to reflect the ambitions of of all

[1:28:43] the parties involved and I think our process has been

[1:28:45] designed in order to deliver that

[1:28:49] okay thank you this American is that ... to to

[1:28:52] that and at the very outset we had a conversation

[1:28:55] with the with especially DG ... the two to get

[1:28:59] their thoughts and their this is the process that that

[1:29:02] they were encouraging so we're reflecting them there along on

[1:29:06] every step of the way we have meetings with them

[1:29:08] continuously and making sure that we reflect their ideas we

[1:29:12] want to be in lockstep with them at the end

[1:29:14] of the process we want to

[1:29:16] we'll be standing together arm in arm and saying this

[1:29:18] is how we want our city to to develop so

[1:29:20] that's our goal

[1:29:23] okay thank you

[1:29:27] thank you Mr mayor thank you for your presentation ...

[1:29:30] to me this is not only how this is a

[1:29:32] satellite city and ... and we have to have everything

[1:29:36] in their soul I I I love the five principles

[1:29:39] especially we have to prepare for the climate change and

[1:29:43] and technology so ... but looking at a slight I

[1:29:47] wasn't at the ... public consultation because a conflict with

[1:29:50] mine at the fence so ... what's the age group

[1:29:52] of of of of of the two hundred attendees

[1:29:57] it didn't take full demographic information over there but ...

[1:30:00] I would say there's a big range ... I would

[1:30:03] say there were some of the older members of your

[1:30:05] community as well as people with families ... singles younger

[1:30:09] people students yeah there is a broad range of folks

[1:30:13] every day yeah the point I'm trying to make is

[1:30:15] ... you know instead of having people come to the

[1:30:18] open house can we reach out to you ... up

[1:30:20] students because this is like a you know decades

[1:30:25] Bob long project and ... I don't know if I'm

[1:30:29] I can live long enough to see this happen honestly

[1:30:31] and is it is for that **** is for the

[1:30:33] kids and as for the ... the high school and

[1:30:36] university students and they are going to use it you

[1:30:38] can enjoy this so I don't know if we can

[1:30:40] actually you know promoted heavily on that age group so

[1:30:45] that we can get some ideas from them I think

[1:30:48] it would be more more more

[1:30:51] constructive more useful and that just a suggestion ... yeah

[1:30:55] and ... you know we all know how fast the

[1:30:58] world is changing and ... you know we don't know

[1:31:00] what's life out to five G. ... probably by that

[1:31:03] time will be of having automated vehicles and ... and

[1:31:07] all kinds of stuff so well it is it is

[1:31:10] good to have some ideas here but ... I think

[1:31:12] excuse ever changing so yeah that's all my comments thank

[1:31:15] you very much Mr mayor

[1:31:18] thank you ... I've discovered question Sir for comments and

[1:31:22] I would like to make two of them that was

[1:31:24] one of my questions where are the owners and all

[1:31:25] this thank you very much and I think the ...

[1:31:29] internal to their part attack but they

[1:31:32] your tax

[1:31:34] of ... what's happening on a regular basis because I

[1:31:38] think they are ...

[1:31:41] we're we have one on one that's so this is

[1:31:44] a ... it doesn't happen very often so it's not

[1:31:47] make any

[1:31:48] actually what they're included with us and and make sure

[1:31:51] with them that they have to understand where we want

[1:31:53] to be too

[1:31:54] ... no one other thing last in the very beginning

[1:31:57] the boundaries of their show center on the services such

[1:32:00] as the red cedar Avenue that is the right one

[1:32:03] and that is a hole in the thinking hello hi

[1:32:06] tech so I don't know that we're gonna be in

[1:32:08] somebody's backyard but however we may ... the whole idea

[1:32:11] there though is the red cedar is going to be

[1:32:14] a ... exit he crescent except for the flagstaff into

[1:32:22] ... up north

[1:32:24] somewhere along the way if if we can have some

[1:32:27] discussion as to how we can take that traffic and

[1:32:30] directed on highway seven as opposed to up to ...

[1:32:35] I checked where as I always say there's going to

[1:32:38] be two people upset the person who drove in there

[1:32:40] from the playing staff person who lives there it's trying

[1:32:43] to get out of their own community so I think

[1:32:46] we need to look at something like that you've got

[1:32:47] a lot of areas that you've been working on and

[1:32:50] the difference in the in the pond area things like

[1:32:53] that so there's some really innovation think so I think

[1:32:56] we should look at innovation thing somewhere on there somehow

[1:33:00] that's kind of a ball for three different levels of

[1:33:02] government insurance however I just think that could be an

[1:33:06] issue ... and then secondly ... is there any reason

[1:33:11] why we don't

[1:33:13] go further east down to Bayview at all all that

[1:33:16] property as I understand it is the same owner and

[1:33:19] it's all at this point I've commercial retail the whole

[1:33:23] bit so that may be something we don't know how

[1:33:26] we ended up stopping there yeah in the first place

[1:33:28] in the US the boundary of ... initially was to

[1:33:31] find through the urban grow center boundaries that are defined

[1:33:33] in the growth plan so back in two thousand and

[1:33:36] eight that would have been when that fuzzy blob would

[1:33:39] have first come out so that would have been the

[1:33:41] ... the initial where the line was strong ... I

[1:33:44] know that this tattered city is undertaking its official plan

[1:33:47] review process very soon and ... Bayview is a major

[1:33:50] transit station area so there may be through that process

[1:33:54] some changes in terms of the land use but it's

[1:33:56] also something we're happy to speak with our ... client

[1:33:59] team here and the policy colleagues to understand what's happening

[1:34:02] with that process and if there would be other changes

[1:34:04] that we could expect but ... our boundary ... initially

[1:34:07] comes from the urban grow center boundary

[1:34:10] which is changed every urban grow center battery has not

[1:34:13] changed in the updated growth plan

[1:34:16] well it doesn't extend over to preview okay that's interesting

[1:34:22] we have a chance to be different you know I

[1:34:25] don't have a lot of people living in the area

[1:34:27] and they keep moving along from us that's all I

[1:34:30] look at the they would have a

[1:34:32] to me we would have a linear area that will

[1:34:36] not impact neighborhood that's already there ... and then also

[1:34:41] to allow us to create a nother East West ...

[1:34:44] roadway of some to certain

[1:34:47] how do you describe it that would get us get

[1:34:49] us all everywhere we want to be it's no question

[1:34:52] that it feels like a very logical extension

[1:34:55] they have those things once in a logical ones that

[1:34:57] never happened

[1:34:59] since okay

[1:35:01] all right thank you no other comments ... we receiving

[1:35:05] this the presentations from the chance

[1:35:09] second problem all those in favor of polls before we

[1:35:13] do a bylaw to confirm at the very beginning of

[1:35:16] ... the ... the meeting we we were asked about

[1:35:20] what happened so

[1:35:21] putting in a

[1:35:24] what are we referring to it as

[1:35:27] urgency is time sensitive matter

[1:35:32] happy to see it just it started with on this

[1:35:34] basis so we thought it would ever happen to live

[1:35:36] in dealing with the clerk on this and there does

[1:35:39] appear to be a way of doing it ... counselor

[1:35:43] to wanna aligned with what it takes yeah no I

[1:35:47] don't have a motion but it's it's fairly simple I

[1:35:51] want to move under emergency in time sensitive Mister mayor

[1:35:54] that ... we direct staff to engage with the residents

[1:35:58] of Harris and beach ... who have some ... well

[1:36:03] water issues at this time on a on a temporary

[1:36:08] measure that they'd be able to use our community centers

[1:36:12] for bathing until we can resolve this issue or help

[1:36:15] getting just inject water use of water at the community

[1:36:19] center okay

[1:36:21] all right so

[1:36:24] it's a motion we have a motion to for an

[1:36:27] emergency and time sensitive matter

[1:36:30] bring it forward all those in favor of clean up

[1:36:33] for polls Gary Indiana misli the motion is as we

[1:36:40] know Mr Carter we okay with that

[1:36:43] we want to we want to wait and see it

[1:36:45] on screen

[1:36:47] I think it's really simple connection

[1:36:50] yes this direction

[1:36:52] okay ... okay go ahead with all those in favor

[1:36:56] last

[1:36:58] that that's

[1:37:00] image is even doing that ... I I do ...

[1:37:03] thinks that ... there are a number of other questions

[1:37:07] that ... I still have about the the issue that

[1:37:11] we're talking about and that I would I've been dealing

[1:37:13] with staff on this both the I guess the the

[1:37:17] low our local staff and also the ... some of

[1:37:19] York region staff Bacardi Cup public health so I would

[1:37:23] not only encouraged us to do what the motion is

[1:37:27] saying but I also would very much like to see

[1:37:29] us expedite the ability for our staff and the public

[1:37:34] health staff to get these people some answers because I

[1:37:36] think we need to define the that problem in my

[1:37:39] mind at least I I don't understand all of the

[1:37:42] details of the situation and I think that really needs

[1:37:45] to be done so that we can have ... like

[1:37:48] this is a good ... temporary fix but I think

[1:37:51] we need a more permanent ... answer to some of

[1:37:55] these questions in order for us to go forward so

[1:37:58] thank you add to that direction just well I I

[1:38:01] don't I'm not sure that we need I I I'll

[1:38:03] kill out that's a good question I mean do we

[1:38:05] need to speak to formally add that or I I

[1:38:07] suspect from dealing with staff up to this point that

[1:38:10] that is the the message that I've been sending out

[1:38:13] in that I've been hearing back from the staff at

[1:38:15] the working class at the three Miss America we're following

[1:38:20] our protocols for testing and retesting water ... there was

[1:38:25] one adverse sample were retesting that sample to make sure

[1:38:28] it wasn't a contamination ... issues associated with the example

[1:38:32] itself sometimes when you take a sample from the from

[1:38:35] the top there's bacteria that gets in the samples will

[1:38:38] make sure that samples three

[1:38:41] but we are on it we are following our protocols

[1:38:43] and we're out there testing retesting I think it's a

[1:38:46] good suggestion if people are feeling ... on unsafe ...

[1:38:49] then we need to make sure that they have access

[1:38:51] to ... the water that they need okay well I

[1:38:54] mean I don't think it needs to be formalized because

[1:38:56] I think that's where we're headed all right all those

[1:38:59] in favor opposed unanimously thank you a product from the

[1:39:06] proceeds of this council meeting by one twenty seven nineteen

[1:39:10] of the product including channels

[1:39:13] welcome to jerk

[1:39:16] conservative councillor protocols in favor thank you all

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