[0:00] Done.

[0:01] Just kidding.

[0:04] Ken? Here. Kirsten? Here. Aaron? Here. John? Here. Annie?

[0:09] Here. Betsy. Here. Ari? Here. Marissa Here.

[0:15] Yay. Good job. Good job. Okay. Public comment.

[0:22] Anybody been out in public lately? Got any comments?

[0:27] The highland fence looks good. It's no longer there.

[0:30] Yes. Yes, exactly.

[0:33] Agreed. And the grass is starting

[0:37] to grow in the reclamation areas of the trails.

[0:40] So there's hope for all that coming back.

[0:43] Spring is springing

[0:46] And we had our first 5K race out there for our program, so

[0:50] that was really exciting getting people out there to use it.

[0:53] Thank you. City on the record.

[0:55] Thank you City for letting us continue to use those trails

[0:58] during the reclamation process.

[1:02] Okay, anyone else? All right. Minutes.

[1:08] Any questions? Everybody have a chance to read 'em?

[1:12] Now's your chance. Read 'em now

[1:17] I move to accept them Second.

[1:19] Okay, we have a first and a second. All those in favor?

[1:23] Aye. Aye. Did you get That's Aaron and Kenny.

[1:26] I'm sorry, I should have said their name. You good? Okay.

[1:29] Any opposed? All right. Minutes are good.

[1:35] We got a presentation.

[1:37] It's not really a presentation.

[1:38] I feel like it should be a present.

[1:39] It says it's a presentation. It does.

[1:41] That's where I put it. But just introducing our new

[1:45] assistant director Keith Dawson is joining us.

[1:48] So this is the friendly face that you'll start seeing.

[1:52] He's been with us for a week, so he started last Monday.

[1:55] So I don't know if you wanna say anything,

[1:57] your background a little bit.

[1:58] Yeah, so a little bit about me.

[2:01] I've been in Parks Rec since pretty much 2008.

[2:05] I've been in each component of the Air Force since 2004.

[2:10] So active duty reserves

[2:12] and I'm now with the Colorado Air International Guard.

[2:15] Still actively serving drill weekends

[2:18] and my two weeks a month or two weeks a year.

[2:20] Excuse me. But no, I'm super excited to be here.

[2:24] Got a lot of experience in aquatics specifically.

[2:27] So Ryan Pools down in central Texas

[2:30] and then I ran pools for Foothills Park and Rec.

[2:33] We had six facilities over three, four cities

[2:37] that we took care of.

[2:39] So I oversaw all of that

[2:41] and so hopefully I can bring a lot of that experience here

[2:44] and help out Matt and his team

[2:46] and then Keith and his team as well.

[2:48] And just super excited

[2:51] and hope I can bring as much value to you guys

[2:54] as you guys have already started bringing to me. So

[2:57] Yeah, welcome.

[2:58] So did you move here for this

[2:59] position or were you living here?

[3:02] I was living in Littleton.

[3:03] So in about a two week period I found a home, got a U-Haul

[3:07] and moved up here Saturday

[3:10] before I started working on Monday.

[3:11] So me and my fiance how Austin

[3:13] Is a slave driver.

[3:14] Yeah. Wow. Welcome aboard. Thank you. Welcome board.

[3:18] Luckily like my fiance works remotely with the state

[3:20] of Colorado so she was able to work at home still.

[3:24] So yeah, so not a nice, not a big shift for her. So,

[3:27] Awesome.

[3:28] Well yeah, thanks. Well glad to have you Keith. Okay.

[3:33] That was a great presentation. You're welcome Mr. Dawson.

[3:37] You're welcome. That's kidding. Okay, regular agenda.

[3:41] It looks like we have a Girl Scout bronze Award project.

[3:50] Come on up. I this

[4:00] My name.

[4:01] My name is Whitney Alexander.

[4:03] I am nine years old and I've been a girl

[4:05] scout for boy years.

[4:06] I'm also a boy scout.

[4:08] I've been working on my bronze award project

[4:12] and I visited the local dog park

[4:15] and some walking paths, walking paths around rifle.

[4:20] When I went there I noticed the dog

[4:23] that the dogs didn't had, do not have a lot of toys

[4:27] or activities to do.

[4:29] When I interviewed some people, they who were there

[4:32] who were there, they said they might need some like toys

[4:37] or like a agility course for the dogs to do.

[4:42] And so my proposal project would be a dog library

[4:46] where people can get sticks and glue sticks or toys.

[4:52] My project would be made out of treated wood.

[4:56] That would be last for quite,

[5:00] for some quite years of being weathered.

[5:04] This would be a permanent future added to the dog part

[5:08] and possibly some other areas such as

[5:12] around the journey home walking paths

[5:14] and Lions Pond, central Park and by Bir

[5:20] and by Birch Park.

[5:23] I am making a global connection by researching the needs

[5:28] for the dog library and rifle.

[5:31] If I added one over at the lion's pond,

[5:35] then this wood could support travelers that

[5:40] visiting our beautiful place.

[5:43] Awesome. That's a great idea. Thank you.

[5:46] That's a fantastic idea.

[5:48] Does anybody have questions for Whitney?

[5:53] So are we talking just,

[5:54] or are we talking like a box of toys

[5:57] And things like that?

[5:58] Also Maybe like tennis balls sticks.

[6:02] They would grab a stick

[6:03] and then they would find a new stick up and put it back.

[6:07] Or if they have like they could buy tennis balls

[6:11] and take one and then put some more back.

[6:16] Okay. Do you have a spot picked out at Lion's Pond

[6:19] where you would wanna put it?

[6:22] I'm thinking like somewhere in the front when you start

[6:27] walking and then maybe like one at the end

[6:32] Where you could return it.

[6:33] Yeah, the right. Yeah.

[6:36] Well you can't return it because their saliva would mix

[6:41] and it would make dogs other sticks.

[6:43] So you'd take a stick home

[6:45] and then you would find another stick when you're walking

[6:47] and return it to the other place.

[6:49] So it's a treat for the dogs. That's right.

[6:52] They got a new toy to go home on. They got a, yeah.

[6:56] I'm unfamiliar with what a bronze award project is.

[7:00] Could you provide a little bit more background on that

[7:03] and other examples of ones that you might end up know about?

[7:07] A bronze award project is for Girl Scouts who they,

[7:12] they try to make the world a better place.

[7:15] There's bronze, silver, and gold.

[7:19] You could get all three.

[7:21] I'm going for my bronze

[7:23] and once I finish that I'll go into my silver and gold

[7:27] and like a bronze award is just trying to

[7:32] make something to make the world more better and beautiful.

[7:37] Sounds great. Great. Awesome.

[7:40] So I see your examples that you have here.

[7:44] Are those ones that you have seen before

[7:46] or just ones that you found when you were searching? We

[7:50] Were, we found them on Facebook and searching up.

[7:54] Okay. Is there anything local

[8:00] in other cities that have a a stick library?

[8:04] I haven't seen any, no. Hmm. We could be the first

[8:09] And I see you're gonna get your supplies

[8:11] to build it, donate it. Is that your next step?

[8:14] We're going to use some pallets, take it apart

[8:17] and use some, some,

[8:23] some stuff to make,

[8:27] make it last weather and

[8:30] Oh, oh yeah.

[8:31] Okay. Treat it. Treat it with some.

[8:34] Do you have a dog? I have three. I used to have four.

[8:38] Oh,

[8:43] okay.

[8:44] Any other questions Ms. Whitney, what?

[8:47] What do you need from us today?

[8:51] I wanna like, I want to have to do this project

[8:56] so I'm seeing if you guys would allow it

[8:59] and see where would I be able to put it

[9:02] and where can I put it.

[9:05] Okay. Where I'm allowed to.

[9:07] Gotcha. So what's our thoughts on that team?

[9:11] I think it's a great idea. I think it's a great idea.

[9:13] It's a fantastic idea. My dog eat sticks

[9:15] but I think it's a great idea

[9:18] And I could think of several places,

[9:20] the dog park being one of 'em.

[9:22] The cemetery being another.

[9:25] I've seen a lot of people walk their dogs

[9:27] by the cemetery lot. The big ones.

[9:29] Yeah. How does staff feel?

[9:33] So we're really looking for a direction from you.

[9:35] We're supportive of the project.

[9:37] So you identifying locations that you're supportive of.

[9:42] It could start out with just one to see how it goes

[9:45] or if you want to pick multiple locations.

[9:48] I don't know how many Whitney's wanting to build,

[9:51] but really direction from you is what staff's looking for.

[9:56] You're overall supportive. We're supportive of it. So,

[10:00] So I have one question.

[10:02] What happens if the

[10:05] library falls down?

[10:09] What happens if the library falls down?

[10:12] We would take all the pieces and put it in a bin

[10:16] and take it back home

[10:18] and we'll find out what happened to make it fall down

[10:22] and we'll try to rebuild it better

[10:24] and stronger for the next time.

[10:26] So you're gonna maintain the dog

[10:28] library, the stick library? Yes.

[10:30] Okay. Who's gonna maintain it

[10:33] with you? Do you have good support?

[10:35] My dad is who is a great builder and my mom.

[10:39] Perfect. Awesome.

[10:41] Any other, any other scouts that are gonna help

[10:44] and gonna help jump in with that

[10:47] Brothers?

[10:49] Like make it a whole troop thing?

[10:52] Probably. Okay.

[10:56] So do we need a motion to put it in a certain space?

[11:01] Yes. Okay. Can do

[11:03] Actually. And

[11:03] I'll just add that Lions pond is owned

[11:06] and operated by cdot so we can't do it do that

[11:09] unless they contact cdot.

[11:12] So we'd have to start dog park or one of our parks

[11:15] Dog park trail anywhere that is a city facility.

[11:18] Okay. Does anybody want to throw out a

[11:24] Location?

[11:25] I think the cemetery is a great location.

[11:28] Where Would they connect? Because there's a

[11:29] lot of dogs out there,

[11:31] But would that be hard to like mow

[11:33] and stuff if there's sticks all over there?

[11:35] Yes. My recommendation would be

[11:37] to avoid the cemetery. Yeah. Dog

[11:38] Park about, is it rural or I

[11:43] Can't think of the mar draw trail.

[11:44] There you go. That One. Oh, draw trail. That's kind

[11:47] Was my Thought.

[11:48] I'm gonna full sticks already.

[11:48] We could replace 'em pretty easy.

[11:50] Well it'd be good to, yeah.

[11:51] Easy Be easy to replenish it. Yeah, that's what I

[11:53] Mean.

[11:54] That's like a good stick zone.

[11:55] It's an easy maintenance kind of place.

[11:57] I think that's a good spot. Yeah.

[11:59] Yeah. Maybe next to the new memorial bench.

[12:02] Yeah, that's what I was, whenever it shows up.

[12:05] Okay. Okay. Do you want, you wanna wanna make a motion?

[12:10] I'll make said motion. What's your said motion

[12:15] To have her put a library on Monroe.

[12:20] Monroe Ro Drive Monroe. I get them too Confused.

[12:23] Morrow Draw Drive Trail. Trail draw trail. Okay.

[12:27] And the dog park or just Morrow Draw

[12:30] Can start there.

[12:31] Another one and then see how it goes.

[12:33] I don't wanna overwhelm her,

[12:35] Right?

[12:36] I mean her parents. I second it.

[12:41] Okay, so we have a first with Erin

[12:43] and a second from Betsy for Marrow Draw Trail.

[12:47] Yes. As a start. Okay. Okay. All those in favor?

[12:52] Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

[12:56] All right young lady, you have to get to work now.

[12:58] Thank You. Is there a one of those designs

[13:01] that you like better or are you gonna design

[13:03] a box of your own?

[13:05] Well I like, personally I like this one

[13:10] 'cause you have toys and sticks

[13:14] or I could like do this, the sticks

[13:16] and then put like a little box down here with toys

[13:19] or like just a little, a cute box like that with Popin.

[13:23] So I think too, one thing

[13:25] 'cause you have Austin's number is

[13:28] as you're working on the design, make sure

[13:30] and check in with him and

[13:32] and make sure that it's gonna work for the space.

[13:35] Does that sound reasonable? Awesome.

[13:38] And then when you finish we'd like a full report please.

[13:41] Pictures. Pictures. Yes. Awesome.

[13:45] Will you come back after you're done

[13:47] and show us what you've done?

[13:48] Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Awesome.

[13:51] You gave us a really great presentation. Yes. That

[13:53] Was awesome.

[13:54] Thank you Whitney. Good job.

[13:56] Okay, thank you. You thank you.

[14:02] All right.

[14:05] Are we gonna review a draft

[14:07] of the activity center feasibility?

[14:09] Yes.

[14:16] I don't know if you can gimme control

[14:18] at my computer plugged in.

[14:20] Oh The pole looks really tiny.

[14:25] The pole looks really tiny. So two,

[14:37] Did something happen to computer?

[14:39] Oh okay. Switching over. Switching over. Okay.

[14:44] Maybe. Okay.

[14:51] I'm not gonna bore you with going through every

[14:55] Portion 'cause it's 143 pages. Whoa.

[14:58] I read it today. It's a lot.

[15:00] I really just wanna give you high level things first.

[15:05] Looking at cost evaluation, that was a big thing.

[15:09] Through this process we have two options

[15:12] that we've identified

[15:13] and through this process that we've talked about.

[15:15] One with a pool, one without a pool, you can see that

[15:19] without a pool, $30.2 million is roughly the price tag.

[15:25] And then with a, with a pool is 46.6 million.

[15:32] Now with the pool, is

[15:33] that like putting a cover over our existing one

[15:36] or doing a whole separate one within

[15:38] the building? Whole pool. Whole

[15:40] Separate one. So

[15:41] One second.

[15:42] Whole new.

[15:43] So this is kind of an overview, it's kind

[15:46] of looking straight down on it.

[15:48] But this would be the facility with a full indoor pool.

[15:53] Oh, okay. Completely separate.

[15:55] And as you can see on, can

[15:58] I tell that by the drawing?

[16:00] Sorry, let me find the right document.

[16:05] And you can see that it's, the facility sits on the corner

[16:09] of 16th and railroad.

[16:11] So it's, there'll be a gap in between existing pool

[16:16] and new facility for parking. Like

[16:18] A little greenway.

[16:19] It'll be parking Space. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[16:24] So they're gonna, that gonna take out the

[16:25] tennis courts and all that?

[16:27] Yes, to the everything except

[16:29] for the skate park would be good.

[16:30] Oh, okay. Lemme see if I have a better image of the,

[16:36] yeah, so this is just standing

[16:38] in railroad looking at the building.

[16:40] But

[16:42] So this, the skate park would stay,

[16:43] The skate park would stay

[16:45] and there'd be a small 10

[16:50] parking space parking lot over by the skate park

[16:53] to accommodate the skate park still.

[16:55] Right. Big things, which you guys have kind of seen,

[16:59] we identified seven locations throughout the, the process.

[17:04] We narrowed that down to two locations,

[17:07] which was Deerfield and Metro.

[17:10] We surveyed individuals on the location that they would want

[17:14] during the early stages.

[17:15] So the discovery phase of

[17:18] where they would like the facility located.

[17:22] And then you can see all of the things that came out of

[17:26] the survey that rifle was lacking.

[17:28] So indoor swimming track, indoor soccer.

[17:34] Y'all remember the build

[17:35] sender Activity that we did?

[17:40] I'm not gonna stop too much,

[17:42] but the postcards of feedback we got from the community,

[17:47] we did a market analysis, which is it, it's in the appendix

[17:51] of this draft

[17:52] that you can go look at if you haven't already.

[17:54] And it looks at operational costs.

[17:57] So building costs, staffing costs, all of those together.

[18:01] And that's where we get like the $750,000 deficit spend.

[18:05] If you had the full aquatics facility, that

[18:10] report focuses on a service area, which you can see

[18:14] is highlighted in blue.

[18:16] So about roughly about a 30 minute drive at five 15

[18:21] in the afternoon on a weekday to get to the facility.

[18:24] So trying to be realistic

[18:30] touches more on the market analysis,

[18:34] community engagement that we did through the process.

[18:40] And then we kind of got into the big ideas section of it

[18:43] where we focused on survey results.

[18:46] We had 138 survey results that we sent out

[18:49] or that we received that identified these priorities.

[18:54] So indoor track, indoor turf activity, gym.

[18:58] And that's how we decided what the programming was for this.

[19:03] And then you can see some initial concepts of

[19:06] what the facility could be based off those results.

[19:10] And then the evolution of metro park, once we

[19:16] determined that was the site we wanted

[19:17] to focus this survey on

[19:19] or this study, you can see we started with a building

[19:23] that was up against the pool and focused on putting a roof

[19:27] or a, a structure over the lap pool of the existing pool.

[19:32] And then you can see the evolution of us shifting away from

[19:35] that and shifting the facility to the corner

[19:38] of 16th and railroad

[19:41] Because an awning just isn't structurally

[19:46] It was the, the design team's opinions

[19:50] that it, it would lose value

[19:52] to the outdoor pool if you put a structure over the lap pool

[19:55] because it would be permanent.

[19:57] And so you would lose the ability to have that amenity

[20:02] plus site restrictions.

[20:04] If we put a building in between the leisure pool

[20:07] and the lap pool, there wasn't enough room for access

[20:10] for people to walk along that site.

[20:11] So it really just, it didn't fit for a permanent structure.

[20:15] And it was expensive. Yep. For what you were doing.

[20:17] It was about $7 million and add an indoor pool

[20:20] and it's about 12 more or 12 million.

[20:23] So what's, what's the, yeah when you're spending

[20:27] that much money, getting a a benefit without

[20:32] losing value in something is super important.

[20:34] And so that's why we shifted away from the cover.

[20:38] And then you could see kind

[20:39] of the concept plan for Deerfield.

[20:41] This was the concept plan for Metro Park as well.

[20:45] And so this is what it would look like without the pool.

[20:50] About a 38,000 square foot building without the pool

[20:54] and it's about 60,000 square feet with the pool.

[21:01] And then this was the first concept plan

[21:03] with the just covering the existing lap pool

[21:07] and then just going back through more community engagement.

[21:10] They attended hometown holidays

[21:13] and then if y'all remember we went over the tours

[21:15] that Annie was able to attend with us

[21:19] to see different amenities at different facilities.

[21:21] And so this just touches on where we stopped

[21:29] And then this just kind of goes into the more,

[21:31] into the evolution of the building, moving it around

[21:37] another just picture of

[21:40] what the building could potentially look like.

[21:43] See the pool doesn't look very big

[21:45] or that small in that picture.

[21:47] Correct.

[21:50] And then this just kind of goes into things

[21:51] that still need to be worked out.

[21:56] But Programming, this is the breakdown

[22:00] for programming for the facility without a pool.

[22:04] And then this is the breakdown with the pool

[22:09] and then just going into the final operations plan, that's

[22:12] where they'll talk about the, the subsidy that it'll take

[22:16] to operate both facilities if it would ever to happen.

[22:21] So, and then at the end

[22:23] of this process they'll help us start to look at what type

[22:27] of tax question

[22:29] or bond question would be required for construction

[22:33] and then most likely operation as well.

[22:37] 'cause the current one that sales tax cannot

[22:40] operate an aquatics facility like shown

[22:45] with current levels of operation.

[22:52] And then I'll just pull up the model real quick.

[22:57] Sorry, it looks kind of funny

[22:58] but this is the general layout.

[23:00] So indoor playground, office space, locker rooms, kind

[23:05] of the entryway.

[23:06] This is pool, mechanical and aquatics offices.

[23:10] The pool, two full-size basketball courts that'll turn into

[23:14] four small courts.

[23:17] And then a full indoor turf field

[23:22] is kind of the programming that we're looking at right now.

[23:26] So I just wanted to get general feedback from

[23:29] you on this process.

[23:31] If you had a chance to read the 140 pages,

[23:35] if you had any feedback on what that material was.

[23:39] 'cause we're just, we're coming to the end of this process,

[23:41] so this is kind of one of the last opportunities

[23:44] for you all to provide feedback.

[23:53] And Is it, is there still the second level? Oh sorry,

[23:56] Is that, Let me scroll up.

[23:57] Thank you. Second level includes a quarter mile walking

[24:00] track activity, like an activities classroom

[24:05] that can double as a meeting room.

[24:06] So kind of like a dance studio type vibe to

[24:11] where it has the accordion door

[24:13] or something similar in the middle

[24:14] that you could break into two smaller classrooms

[24:16] but also use it for meetings And then a very small

[24:21] gym with workout equipment.

[24:24] Are you in group classes in the room

[24:28] that's next to the gym?

[24:29] Yes.

[24:37] So

[24:38] Anything and the gray area right here.

[24:39] Where were your offices?

[24:42] Office space would be right here. Here,

[24:44] There. Okay.

[24:45] And then there's like a front desk area

[24:47] and then these are locker rooms right here.

[24:52] And what's that spot behind the office area?

[24:54] Right here? Yeah, that's an indoor playground. Okay. Which

[24:58] Is fine.

[24:59] Can you see the slide which

[25:00] Is high on the list?

[25:01] I'm blind. Just one ball pit.

[25:10] So is there like a lap pool?

[25:13] So there's two, so like a two lane pool or something?

[25:15] Yeah, this is very like conceptual but like two lap lanes.

[25:21] Like a, a flow flow channel similar to what we have.

[25:24] Lazy river. Yeah. Inch.

[25:27] It's very small lazy river where you can do like

[25:31] Walking, walking Like what's it pool now?

[25:34] Very similar. And then like a little kid area, kind

[25:39] of similar to what we have at the zero entry

[25:41] pool and then a slide.

[25:43] So this isn't set in stone at what it has to be,

[25:46] it's just the footprint of what it could be.

[25:51] And then is this I'm, I did not read 140 pages.

[25:55] Does does this budget in like the, like you some

[25:58] of the fun like retractable hoops and nets

[26:00] and things that you would see.

[26:02] So those numbers include all your soft costs

[26:03] and your ff So that's all in to get what we want.

[26:07] Okay. And so they're factoring in the

[26:09] Bills.

[26:10] They're, they're factoring in right now all the bills.

[26:12] So like what Annie got to see

[26:13] where you push a button and the volleyball

[26:15] Nets come down. So awesome,

[26:16] Awesome. Yes.

[26:17] Where You push a button and that goes up

[26:19] and the basketball hoops come down.

[26:20] So that stuff's included in that price.

[26:24] Awesome. Did anything

[26:28] with wrestling I was thinking about this.

[26:30] Is that what it, what we need for programs

[26:33] and those kind of things?

[26:35] For sure. Yeah we would,

[26:39] I vision us having a, you know, not just

[26:42] Our programs but whether it's club teams

[26:45] or sports teams renting out it in tournaments,

[26:49] big time tournaments coming down to utilize the facility.

[26:52] So I I really want four courts so badly.

[26:56] Yeah. And I think even with this it will

[27:00] lessen the burden of having to use the schools

[27:02] but we'll still have to use the schools.

[27:03] Yeah. Regardless. So

[27:05] It, it opens those wait lists up

[27:07] But it opens the wait lists up.

[27:09] It allows us to not have fourth graders practicing

[27:11] basketball at six or seven o'clock at night.

[27:14] Yeah. So it opens that up

[27:16] and it opens up to where we can get some

[27:18] of our activities pushed through after like school

[27:22] and then we're not having adults having

[27:23] to start playing their drop in sports at 10

[27:26] o'clock, nine o'clock at night. Yeah.

[27:28] I don't see my party room in here.

[27:30] I Know that's the, the

[27:31] Cafe, It's the cafe's not in there

[27:33] but you could have your birthday party room up there. There

[27:35] You right up there.

[27:37] Is there a window? Is There anything with Yes.

[27:39] Wrestling mats included with the bells on that?

[27:43] No. Could you put

[27:48] those on either the turf or the basketball? Like is

[27:52] That you just roll 'em out, you could, you have to buy

[27:54] To the basketball somewhere to store 'em Would be that,

[27:57] Would that be big enough to host a tournament?

[27:59] Like a wrestling tournament?

[28:02] I dunno how much room you need for a wrestling tournament. I

[28:04] Quite a bit. I'm looking

[28:05] At you Got two full size courts.

[28:07] You could high school gym now. Okay.

[28:10] You can break mats or Yeah, two full-size basketball courts.

[28:14] You could definitely,

[28:15] probably you could hold a big tournament. They

[28:16] Don't ruin the basketball floors

[28:18] by putting the wrestling mat on them.

[28:20] Just letting you know my opinion.

[28:24] It doesn't mess the floors up to put mats on 'em

[28:27] In in a basketball player's opinion.

[28:30] Yeah, it's kind of sacrilegious

[28:32] Because of what what does it do? It's just

[28:35] Sacrilegious.

[28:37] It's, I was a basketball player too. I get it.

[28:39] The other thing is like women's wrestling,

[28:42] girls wrestling right now is the fastest real

[28:44] I sport in, in the States.

[28:45] So it's huge. It is a huge thing. I

[28:47] It would be a a good, It's

[28:49] just an option to add. Do not,

[28:50] I have always like is there something sticky on them?

[28:53] I thought you were being serious.

[28:54] Get sweaty and then it just

[28:56] Ruins.

[28:57] Masks do not hurt

[28:58] The floor and storage isn't a huge concern.

[29:00] 'cause I mean they have the systems

[29:01] that lift it up into the air. So,

[29:03] But it doesn't seem like you have a lot of storage

[29:05] space in this building.

[29:07] Yep. It's air space. There's,

[29:09] There's So you would still have the building you are

[29:11] currently in to store things as well

[29:14] or are we going to utilize that differently?

[29:16] Nope. They have their track.

[29:18] I say they, those rec people have those rec people

[29:21] Have their own Garage space at the

[29:24] Park space.

[29:25] Right. But then you have to shuffle it back and forth

[29:27] and back and forth and those kind of things.

[29:28] I mean we aren't the first sit field house to be like

[29:31] where do you store your wrestling nuts?

[29:33] I'm sure there's tire levers, police,

[29:37] There is some something.

[29:38] There is storage built into this area for that's

[29:41] A lot of space Right there.

[29:42] Equipment. 'cause you'll have like a floor

[29:44] scrubber and all of those things.

[29:46] It's not much. But most facilities that you go to don't,

[29:48] They don't, they don't like work.

[29:50] Storage is an afterthought. We'll think of ways to,

[29:53] You have to get all your programming in

[29:54] and you figure out like

[29:55] Well but it also by one concern about this is

[29:59] that we're building it for what we need now

[30:02] and not building it for what we need in the future.

[30:05] And that, that is like my sticking point.

[30:08] I feel like fitness classes

[30:10] and those kind of things are gonna be something we need

[30:12] and for programming to bring adults in to help

[30:16] maintain the costs of these things.

[30:18] And we don't have space for that.

[30:20] And that that that's the one holdup

[30:23] that I'm like it's really scratchy

[30:25] For me.

[30:26] Well and I will say like when,

[30:27] when we did our tours right like there were lots of things

[30:31] that they would come out and they would be like,

[30:33] oh we had this space and we were doing whatever

[30:37] and then we were like, oh why are we doing that?

[30:38] Nevermind let's you know. And so they pivot.

[30:41] Pivot for sure and and did some of those things. So,

[30:46] But I feel like we're building this in five years

[30:49] as a dream and we were already outgrown it.

[30:52] Yeah. But we don't have more space or money do we?

[30:55] Like you're over budget and Well we don't have any ed in

[30:59] You can build it.

[31:00] We don't have any money yet.

[31:01] You'd have to find a different site if you

[31:03] wanted to go any bigger than this. Yeah,

[31:04] It's the footprint. Yeah.

[31:06] Yeah. I just feel like it's a waste if

[31:08] we don't build for the future.

[31:10] Were any of those other locations like still in the talks

[31:14] where it could expand later or No we pretty much down

[31:17] because even even the spot at Deerfield,

[31:19] you can't expand much.

[31:20] Not much. We didn't spend a lot of time going into

[31:25] other properties that we'd have to purchase because

[31:28] City already owns this City already owns these two.

[31:32] If we were to identify a site that was not owned

[31:35] by the city, then the cost goes up could drive

[31:38] that price tag up very, oh for sure. Significantly.

[31:41] I'm not sure. Are we talking though

[31:43] like millions of dollars

[31:44] For a Do a land swap, do some property?

[31:48] Yes. Do the, does somebody need an island million

[31:50] Dollars on a 30 something million call?

[31:53] Of course. How many would be like 10 million?

[31:55] Many would be available to help

[31:57] with offsetting the cost on this across from,

[32:04] It's hard to say there's grants out there to do it.

[32:06] You can tie some of them to like clean air spaces

[32:10] and wildfire areas that has a lot of grants that if you

[32:15] put the right HVAC system in that there's grant funding for

[32:18] that to help support like community solar spaces,

[32:22] solar. Yep. Because there's solar,

[32:23] Solar green energy They have for the solar.

[32:25] A perfect example of a solar grant is the,

[32:29] was it gypsum field house

[32:31] or we went to a field house in Gypsum

[32:35] and their whole south side of their building,

[32:39] which no one sees it's up against the trail is all solar

[32:42] and they got a grant for solar to help pay for the building

[32:47] Which then helps pay for the energy.

[32:48] Yeah it helps pay for the energy.

[32:50] So there's lots of grants out there If we get creative

[32:53] and as we get closer to potentially doing this,

[32:58] we have our grant writers that we could turn loose on

[33:00] finding us funding opportunities.

[33:01] But it will have to be a tax question.

[33:03] I was gonna say it's gonna have,

[33:04] it's gonna have to be a tax

[33:06] Solution regardless of regardless

[33:07] how much grant funding you

[33:08] Get.

[33:09] I know oil and gas we lost $2 billion

[33:13] and it's gonna be even more in the next few years.

[33:16] So that's something that we are going to have to eat.

[33:22] And then you got all the other entities.

[33:26] 'cause I hear this every night about taxes.

[33:29] So that's just something if we're, if we're,

[33:35] when I want to say upfront

[33:38] and give them all the details, you know,

[33:41] hey your taxes are gonna go up on X amount of house value,

[33:46] it's gonna go up this much.

[33:47] It may help out. But if p if we just, you know,

[33:52] they get their tax bill and it's four or $500 more

[33:56] and it's a shocker

[33:57] that people aren't gonna be happy about it.

[33:59] Well and would ours, would ours be property based

[34:01] or would it be with the sales tax? It

[34:02] Really depends on how you structure the tax question.

[34:08] Which we most likely would hire a firm

[34:11] that specializes in this to help

[34:13] Us.

[34:14] Yes.

[34:20] And everybody said they wanted it

[34:22] but nobody want in the survey wanted to pay for that.

[34:25] They wanted it their taxes to go up. Correct.

[34:28] Is this something we should incorporate in the survey

[34:30] that these guys are doing?

[34:31] Well that was my question. Get

[34:33] the conversation rolling with

[34:34] It doesn't really fit with the comp plan update

[34:37] but that's why I brought up the point of we can move,

[34:40] it's been two years since we did our community survey

[34:44] so it could be something

[34:46] that we look at in budget if it fits to move

[34:49] that up from 2029 to 2027

[34:52] and we can start asking those questions,

[34:54] which if we go down this road, which seems like we're going

[34:58] to go down this road, we might move that up

[35:01] to help the process

[35:02] and really focus on asking those hard questions.

[35:07] Yep. Or

[35:10] Explaining what it was like you were saying like

[35:12] what it's actually going to Aaron.

[35:14] Right? Like it's,

[35:16] And I think that's where the consulting firm comes

[35:17] in to help you Yeah. Deliver that message.

[35:21] Sure. And that's where, for example,

[35:25] the hospital used a firm for their

[35:30] issue question their question

[35:32] And they're not raising our taxes

[35:34] but they're just extending. But they,

[35:36] How long they paid a company

[35:38] to do all the marketing for them.

[35:39] Because something that happens once the,

[35:43] once the question is approved by council,

[35:46] we no longer can talk about it as staff.

[35:51] And so that's where some of these things die off.

[35:54] But if we have this consultant that's pushing the message

[36:00] that we've already determined, we're not talking about it.

[36:02] So it's, I think that's what

[36:05] A loophole's the helpful.

[36:06] Yeah and that's what happened last time is

[36:09] that there wasn't enough conversation in the beginning.

[36:12] No. And it lost all, its multiple times

[36:17] It's lost in my opinion.

[36:18] This is the closest thing we've gotten to that point

[36:21] because it's like we're truly like seeing if it's feasible

[36:24] to do and then this allows us to go

[36:27] to the public and say hey

[36:29] Are we gonna share this?

[36:32] Maybe Not a beautiful marketing guy.

[36:34] Maybe not in a hundred and

[36:35] because the 140 I'm overwhelming seven pages will probably

[36:38] turn into two to 250 pages by the time

[36:41] that the report's finished

[36:43] Need a one page.

[36:44] So we'll have to take it and make it

[36:45] into a one page document. Yeah,

[36:47] A one page.

[36:48] Good luck Kyle. I'm just kidding.

[36:50] So that's part of our job. Yeah.

[36:53] Is trying to figure out how to get

[36:55] that information out once it's

[36:57] Complete.

[36:58] Okay. It'll be interesting to see.

[36:59] I mean I know Yeah, not everybody's on

[37:02] You all as board members.

[37:04] It's like you can also help deliver that message.

[37:11] I think we should go to the next Rambo meeting.

[37:14] Just kidding. Let's see

[37:16] what else we should probably show up at your classroom.

[37:21] So any other feedback on the draft

[37:25] of the feasibility setting?

[37:27] I know it's a lot of information and I It was

[37:29] Very comprehensive though, so it was, it was good to kind

[37:32] of walk through that plan again since it's been

[37:34] so long since we started.

[37:36] And so once they finalize the plan,

[37:38] you'll either have a joint workshop with council

[37:41] or you'll have your own presentation

[37:46] from the consultants where you really can ask them

[37:50] questions about the the final draft

[37:54] and how they determined it, their their opinions.

[37:57] So.

[38:00] Okay. Anybody have any other questions? Hmm.

[38:06] Okay, we ready to move on?

[38:07] Discuss the south rifle master plan. Yes.

[38:11] Is it 170 pages? No.

[38:14] So I included in there their

[38:18] programming estimated costs.

[38:21] I won't dive into those too much,

[38:23] but I really wanted to get in front of you the

[38:29] draft master plan.

[38:31] Lemme see if I can zoom into this.

[38:38] So I'll start with just this a blind.

[38:41] So as we're looking at the map,

[38:44] everything's color coded into different amenities that

[38:49] are within the master plan.

[38:51] So you can see there's a playground which is about the same

[38:55] size as what we're building.

[38:56] It's actually a little bit bigger than

[38:57] what we're building at Birch for playground.

[39:00] Wow. And these numbers can change

[39:02] but this is just what they're estimating.

[39:05] Mountain bike skills, park pavilions,

[39:09] adventure play, disc golf.

[39:10] So there's a full 18 hole disc golf course, dog park,

[39:14] outdoor fitness stations, nature play,

[39:18] everything we kind of talked about.

[39:20] So let me zoom out.

[39:24] You can kind of see the layout

[39:26] of the site.

[39:29] And so really looking at

[39:33] a mountain bike skills park right here, you can see that the

[39:37] 18 hole disc golf course kind of takes up this,

[39:41] this main section right here.

[39:44] Playground and then the archery range

[39:46] that we were able to include.

[39:48] Let me jump back in.

[39:50] Sorry my computer's so slow archery range right here.

[39:56] I don't, I don't know how much. Oops. Prs.

[39:58] Do you think that you guys were able to look at this

[40:01] before the meeting but looks great.

[40:04] Really looking at feedback.

[40:06] We're meeting with our consultants on Thursday to kind

[40:09] of give them the final edits

[40:12] and red lines that we'd like to see

[40:14] and talk through the process with them.

[40:17] But this is kind of where we're ending up.

[40:27] That makes a am excited. I am too. I like it. Yeah

[40:31] And it really needs something

[40:32] over there on that side. No,

[40:34] Definitely.

[40:35] And we need a golf, a disc golf

[40:36] Course.

[40:37] So need a disc golf and

[40:38] This is something you can stick in a weird space.

[40:40] That's something that's been brought up multiple times

[40:42] since I've been on the board.

[40:44] That's why I got on the board.

[40:46] I was gonna say Annie joined the

[40:47] Prep board.

[40:48] We had disc golf

[40:49] In gumption like we can build it.

[40:51] Yeah if you build it they will come.

[40:53] I saw there on there as a contractor.

[40:56] Right. Yeah. I will say, you know,

[40:59] seeing the disc golf of course layout.

[41:03] You know we, I brought this up before

[41:05] but the, there are some concerns about the intersection

[41:08] of trails and you know, biking

[41:12] with some of the disc golfing.

[41:17] Has that been brought up? You know like this is my first

[41:20] time with this presentation.

[41:22] Kind of looking at the layout of this

[41:26] for the actual disc golf itself,

[41:31] How many holes actually actually cross the trail?

[41:35] There's a decent amount.

[41:36] There's up here a lot of these are multipurpose trails.

[41:40] So hiking and biking

[41:42] and then really the bike parks down here.

[41:45] Yeah. I'm also surprised to see some of the holes like

[41:50] seven and eight in the nature play area.

[41:56] I guess when that was kind of proposed,

[41:59] it was my understanding that that would be more

[42:02] of a natural space

[42:03] and not so much the disc golf courses

[42:07] or like disc golf area being utilized in that space.

[42:11] I don't really think that baskets are obtrusive in a

[42:13] nature space, but I do feel like they should be

[42:16] directionally away from where the kids are playing.

[42:20] Yeah. Like tee their basket away from the kids.

[42:31] How many total acres is this again?

[42:34] 112. Yeah.

[42:37] I do really like the trail that kind of goes

[42:41] behind this null area in the nature play.

[42:47] Kind of like where number 14 is located.

[42:51] That was one that was not,

[42:53] I I believe proposed in the original plan.

[42:57] So that's one that we identified in a a walkthrough

[43:04] as like a high value area in the green area.

[43:08] Yeah, I mean is that like a practical feedback

[43:12] to tell the designers if we were like hey make the baskets

[43:15] not by where the kids are.

[43:17] Do they have to cross the trail so many times?

[43:19] Where is that something easy they could fix?

[43:22] I think that's getting you really into construction

[43:24] documents where this is just kind of a concept of where they

[43:28] generally will go.

[43:29] 'cause during construction documents is

[43:32] where you'll start focusing on like placement the tee boxes

[43:35] here and it faces this direction.

[43:37] So this is just kind of getting the general

[43:39] idea of where they could go.

[43:40] And then you'll really get into the fine details

[43:42] during construction documents.

[43:44] Okay. In that next, yeah.

[43:49] In a construction phase and,

[43:52] and it might go back to the table

[43:55] but is that kind of like re-looking at trail alignment?

[43:58] Is that gonna be part of sort

[44:00] of some of the next steps there?

[44:02] So these are just kind of general areas

[44:03] and construction documents really identify exactly

[44:07] where trails will go.

[44:09] Okay. I mean we hope that

[44:11] that's a problem every single day that there's enough people

[44:14] that those things are,

[44:16] but it's still 112 acres to spread people out on like,

[44:20] I mean we're not trying to cram it in five.

[44:22] Yep. So I hope that enough people use it that

[44:27] that thinking about it is gonna be doable.

[44:30] But realistically our parks aren't unfortunately

[44:35] used that heavily.

[44:36] Right. They're not, they're not overrun And I think

[44:38] that's one of the reasons they kind of have a flow of kind

[44:42] of overlapping is so the whole area is used.

[44:45] Right. Because it's not going to be,

[44:48] you're not gonna have 25 disc golf

[44:52] teams out there or players

[44:55] All time who might host a a tournament.

[44:57] Don't you say anything only,

[44:58] Only if you have a tournament don't you say on an average

[45:00] day you'll have five

[45:02] to 10 out at the same time right out there.

[45:05] And so it'll be very like this is very passive use. Agreed.

[45:09] Yeah. So they got

[45:14] that one trail going over into the

[45:16] Grand River Plaza property owners.

[45:19] Is there an agreement with them?

[45:22] No. Okay.

[45:24] Not yet.

[45:30] Isn't that intersect with something that they're

[45:33] We have to, that's some of the feedback I have is this

[45:35] wasn't on the original concept so

[45:41] I'm, I'm concerned about showing it if it's,

[45:45] there's not something already there.

[45:47] So that's feedback that I'm planning to give them.

[45:49] Okay. What's the timeframe on a project like

[45:53] this? Do you have any idea?

[45:56] Next steps are construction documents

[45:58] and those can happen similar to Birch

[46:00] where we do master planning construction documents

[46:03] and build all within three years.

[46:05] Or it could be that this gets put on the shelf

[46:07] because it's not as high of priority as other projects

[46:11] and it might be five to 10, it might be 20.

[46:14] Similar to we got Birch Park first time the two thousands

[46:19] and now we're just building it out.

[46:20] So it really depends on

[46:22] where it fits within the priority list

[46:24] and funding. Funding.

[46:26] Yep. But Birch was based off like a

[46:28] growth trajectory, right?

[46:29] Where it's like there's too many people in this area now not

[46:32] to have a parks facility

[46:33] because of the growth in in the ment.

[46:35] I think it's always been identified as a priority

[46:39] and then as those houses starting

[46:41] to get built out is when this board

[46:43] and staff started saying like, Hey it might be time to

[46:48] actually move forward with this.

[46:50] So, and we're already saying that there is a need

[46:53] for a park on the south side of town so there's a,

[46:55] that it could be done faster than 10 or 20 years

[46:58] I guess.

[46:59] Correct. It all just depends on priority.

[47:00] Like there is, there is housing over there.

[47:04] It is not growing as fast as it is on like 16th Street

[47:07] but there is housing over there

[47:08] and there's more developments that are looking

[47:10] to put housing over there.

[47:11] So this is where those,

[47:13] But this also gives us just a, like you said,

[47:15] a passive open space that we really don't have inside rifle.

[47:20] Correct.

[47:22] Island trails

[47:23] But Yep.

[47:24] We, we, we do have, we have trails but we don't have

[47:27] Just I disc golf course.

[47:30] Yeah, exactly.

[47:32] And I can read between the lines Danny,

[47:34] The next, the next step of the process

[47:36] as well is looking at phasing plans.

[47:37] So really looking to you all for guidance of

[47:41] what your opinions are on like a phased

[47:44] approach of what you'd like to see.

[47:45] First we did it with Birch a little bit of,

[47:48] we phased it into three phases

[47:49] and then we decided when we went out for a bid

[47:53] that we wanted to build all of it.

[47:55] So, but we'll start to do a phase plan

[47:59] if you all have opinions on what you'd like to see first.

[48:01] So examples would be like parking lot, pit, toilet,

[48:06] pavilions phase one 'cause that's the entry to your park.

[48:10] And then you can go from there

[48:12] and check off this list of like what do you want to see in

[48:16] phase one versus phase two.

[48:18] Is there a phase three?

[48:20] And then that helps us prioritize when we start to go

[48:25] for construction documents.

[48:27] We could do construction documents for just phase one

[48:29] or do we do all of the, the documents

[48:31] and then only build phase one.

[48:33] So these are the conversations

[48:35] that we're gonna have to start having.

[48:37] Well and I think with Birch Park it made sense

[48:40] to not do the phases

[48:41] because concrete was getting so expensive

[48:44] and so it's like, oh well if we wait two more years

[48:47] then we're gonna have 20% more costs.

[48:50] And it could be, and it was another example of Right

[48:53] Deerfield and the sidewalk's not being done for 26 years.

[48:56] Right. So things like that.

[48:58] So where we build a park out porch halfway or in a phase

[49:02] and then the other phase doesn't happen for 20 years.

[49:06] And have we already talked to Grand River about private

[49:08] support for this because

[49:11] It's so close to their facility?

[49:13] Yes. They were part of the stakeholder group.

[49:15] They haven't committed any funds, they're supportive

[49:17] of the project 'cause it gives their, their staff is space

[49:20] to go and on their lunch break and Yeah,

[49:23] I mean I remember you said they were okay with having it

[49:25] but they didn't say like, this is gonna be amazing

[49:27] for everyone in our hospital.

[49:29] We'll give you $1 million.

[49:30] So they have, they have not, didn't

[49:32] Say that they have not

[49:33] Committed. They not committed any

[49:34] Funds.

[49:35] I love how you put things. I think

[49:38] Clancy's gonna do some talking. Yeah

[49:40] I wear that hat.

[49:41] I identified myself as a public private.

[49:45] Yeah I know an insider.

[49:47] So I don't know if you guys have

[49:49] feedback on what you'd like to see.

[49:51] If, for example,

[49:52] like I don't think we need a 10,000

[49:54] square foot playground over there.

[49:55] So some of my feedback is make that smaller and

[49:59] Well and that that's a good point

[50:01] because that's just more maintenance.

[50:04] Correct. I

[50:05] Don't know about the outdoor fitness stations, like

[50:08] how high priority that

[50:09] Would be.

[50:13] But it'd be nice to have if it's not expensive.

[50:17] You know what I mean? Just

[50:19] Like or one of those from deciding

[50:20] that I think aren't Yeah.

[50:22] Yeah. But I just, It I,

[50:26] I mean I get the question like is it needed?

[50:28] Is it needed? Especially out there.

[50:32] I like to see them at more in a

[50:34] concentrated area that's covered.

[50:36] That's where I've been to ones that have utilized them.

[50:42] Really. I've only seen them on like walking trails

[50:44] and then it'll make, this is

[50:46] where you do five pullups. This is

[50:47] A Yeah like sporadically put out

[50:52] The One that used

[50:54] A matted floor and then have a cover over them.

[50:58] I mean kind of ritzy but

[51:02] So is it, is that something that I am is needed?

[51:05] I dunno if we don't have any workout equipment inside

[51:07] of our field house, maybe we have to put it outside.

[51:10] That's a true Story.

[51:11] Well there's that one part in sil thinking

[51:14] and it's like sporadic.

[51:15] Here's a sit up bar, here's a pull up bar, here's, here's,

[51:19] Here's A wrestling mat,

[51:20] Here's a wrestling mat, it's store em.

[51:26] I think the play the playground.

[51:28] I, I don't even do we need

[51:34] A Playground?

[51:35] There's a going over There. Yeah, I was gonna

[51:35] say we're saying that

[51:36] Big, Big.

[51:37] Yeah there's a lot of housing going up over there now.

[51:40] One metal but One that's the size of Birch Park.

[51:42] Oh no, no. Not that big. No. Yeah it seems a little large.

[51:45] We can get, we can go definitely small like

[51:48] Arnold Austin was saying

[51:50] Like Arnold size.

[51:51] Yeah. And you can yeah. Make a park. Park.

[51:54] That's A little big. Right.

[51:56] I like the boulderings structure. Yeah,

[51:58] I think that's a really useful,

[52:00] Something we don't have

[52:02] In the bouldering structures is kind of similar

[52:05] to what nature play would be.

[52:06] Which would be right in this area.

[52:08] Okay. The, I guess I'm a little confused on

[52:11] where this archery range proposal area it would be,

[52:14] It's like right by the parking lot. Okay

[52:16] Cool.

[52:18] It's right by the kid twice before its the kids.

[52:22] We don't even have to bring up targets.

[52:26] Four like Apples

[52:31] Have apples you can put on their heads.

[52:37] What would it, what in your opinion, what do you think

[52:41] a phased approach would even

[52:44] Look like?

[52:45] Like trails then pit toilet.

[52:47] So you could do, I mean

[52:48] you're just working your way out.

[52:50] It doesn't necessarily have to be that way.

[52:51] Like you could go in and phase one puts in all the trails,

[52:56] parking lot pavilions, pit toilet, phase two could be

[53:01] disc golf, the bike park

[53:05] and the nature play. So those types of things.

[53:10] And all the extra manmade stuff less correct.

[53:12] So really if you're going to do disc golf,

[53:16] then you have to include the trails.

[53:18] 'cause you have to have the trails to get to disc golf.

[53:19] Right. Right. But you could do the trails in phase one

[53:22] and build disc golf out later.

[53:25] Right. So those are the things

[53:26] to think about in your phased approach.

[53:30] You may identify only certain trails in phase one versus

[53:33] phase two or three.

[53:39] Is there a need for another dog park?

[53:40] That's a question it was highly saw

[53:43] after in the survey results.

[53:45] And so it'd be a different style of dog park where

[53:48] It went at.

[53:49] Would it just be dog friendly trails? Could or would you,

[53:53] I think the survey showed that people wanted

[53:56] like a true dog park.

[53:58] What does that mean? Like fenced in.

[54:01] Fenced in three sections similar

[54:02] to what we have at Deerfield

[54:05] With a dog library with that.

[54:08] With a dog library, yes. Important. Hmm.

[54:14] Yeah I, I definitely think that, you know, like

[54:17] what we could get to

[54:19] or what we need to get this as a useful space.

[54:22] You know, just parking areas I think, you know,

[54:26] the pit toilets is definitely something to,

[54:29] you know, be a part of that.

[54:30] But certainly like if we have trail alignment

[54:33] and trail construction then you know that that's one

[54:36] of the quickest ways to make it a useful space for

[54:39] that community for that upcoming neighborhood.

[54:42] Access as well. Access. Yeah.

[54:46] You know I definitely think the disc golf could be,

[54:48] you know, kind of a phase two further down the line

[54:52] while I wanna see a mountain bike skills park there,

[54:54] you know, sooner rather than later.

[54:56] I I do think that would fit better

[54:58] as a second phase type project.

[55:01] Well and the other thing is, is you're on that side

[55:03] and you do have i 70 travelers.

[55:09] Not that that's what this is for,

[55:10] but But if you had signage

[55:12] that was like dog park walking area,

[55:17] is there ways we could charge travelers to use our park?

[55:20] Would there be an entry fee for non rifle citizens? No,

[55:27] There's A to road to get

[55:31] To put in perspective kind

[55:35] of total project build out will be

[55:38] Parking permits.

[55:39] Roughly 2.5 to 3 million. Enjoy

[55:42] All this for free but you have to pay for

[55:44] Parking.

[55:45] About 1.1 million of

[55:45] that is just in the 10,000 square foot playground.

[55:48] Wow. So playgrounds are expensive. X

[55:51] They are to do it right.

[55:52] Put a pocket one in just a cute little one.

[55:55] And so like thinking out loud,

[55:57] like the trails at full build out

[56:00] about half a million dollars.

[56:03] Right. Disc golf $27,000.

[56:06] See I'm cheap. Cheap. So like putting price tags

[56:09] to these, the mountain bike skills park about $50,000.

[56:15] Your your pavilions picnic tables grills

[56:19] about a hundred thousand dollars.

[56:21] A venture play about $2,000.

[56:25] Your playground's, the 1.1 million

[56:29] nature plays about half a million dollars.

[56:32] The outdoor fitness is $45,000 roughly.

[56:35] Dog parks about $130,000.

[56:39] Your bouldering structures 77,000.

[56:44] And then interpretive signage is 2000.

[56:48] Archery range 140,000.

[56:51] And then the parking area, which would not include asphalt

[56:56] 25 whatcha paying for.

[56:59] So just to put like price tags in your head of what,

[57:02] as we're talking about a phased approach, what that could be

[57:07] Is the archery range expensive?

[57:09] 'cause it's the dirt work to like level it.

[57:10] Like why is that so much?

[57:14] Lemme get back to The,

[57:15] it's the liability insurance. Maybe

[57:17] That's real.

[57:19] It just says infrastructure and install.

[57:21] So it's going into the, there'd be a lot of dirt work in

[57:23] that area 'cause it's in the side of the mountain.

[57:26] Wouldn't dynamite be

[57:28] Involved?

[57:29] It seem like disproportionately big for like a flat area.

[57:31] It's not flat where It's like a big wall

[57:33] that you're building of dirt behind it.

[57:35] Well there's already a big wall but making it,

[57:38] They're gonna take the hill down.

[57:39] Yeah,

[57:43] But there's lots of grants with CPW for

[57:46] Yes.

[57:47] Arche ranges. There are, they're very excited about those.

[57:50] And girls wrestling. Put some mats out. No.

[57:53] Could we do girls wrestling out here?

[57:58] Okay, that's actually like a really small, I mean

[58:02] for the amount of space you're getting,

[58:05] it's a very small price tag

[58:07] To put it.

[58:08] Like And you're spending almost five grand

[58:09] Scholarships for that.

[58:10] Yeah, five. And so for five

[58:12] and a half acres, which is basically a playground,

[58:14] pickleball, courts and a So baseball court,

[58:18] Different utilization.

[58:20] So like for a true park in town park

[58:24] with park amenities,

[58:26] this would be considered more of an open space.

[58:28] Yep. To where it's very passive use. I like

[58:31] It.

[58:32] These are the kind of places I

[58:32] Like. Yep.

[58:34] So parking lot, pit toilet, pavilion, trails.

[58:39] Anything else in phase one that you see on this list

[58:44] that you might want to throw in there?

[58:47] Put everything else in phase two.

[58:50] Like what are you all thinking?

[58:54] I mean if you took the, if we took out the playground,

[59:00] I mean I feel like we could get funding,

[59:03] whole funding all the funding quickly

[59:07] quicker than even phasing it.

[59:10] Right. What was the full build cost?

[59:13] 3 million. Two and a half to 3 million. So

[59:16] Half it playground.

[59:17] But 1.1 is the half of it is playground. Is playground.

[59:20] The whole thing I could

[59:23] buy, I could buy you swing set.

[59:25] And that could be, that could be your

[59:27] phase two as playground, right?

[59:29] Absolutely. Right. Exactly.

[59:30] You build everything out else Out

[59:32] and then playground And then we

[59:33] built the playground later out.

[59:35] I mean if we did do two phases in playgrounds, three

[59:38] or whatever, like for sure trails in a parking lot

[59:41] have to be there first.

[59:42] Right. Low lowest.

[59:44] Yeah, I know but if we take the parking lot out,

[59:46] I mean we're 2 million is is what we would have

[59:51] to put the all of it together.

[59:53] There's lots of non-motorized trail grants.

[59:55] Like there's lots of grants out there for

[59:57] Yeah.

[59:58] This kind of stuff Is the completely doable.

[1:00:02] What are we talking about realistically timeframe?

[1:00:05] I know you don't know everything but,

[1:00:06] So next steps like if this is a high priority for

[1:00:10] you all is to start looking at putting construction

[1:00:13] documents in the budget for next year

[1:00:17] because we need construction documents

[1:00:20] and shovel already for a lot

[1:00:21] of the grants that we'd want to go for.

[1:00:23] And so that's the next step in the process.

[1:00:25] Well and do you, sorry, go

[1:00:27] Ahead.

[1:00:28] I was just gonna say, what are the grant cycles?

[1:00:29] Are they annually, are they twice a year

[1:00:31] for a lot of these? Like the

[1:00:33] Archery ranges Two years. Yeah.

[1:00:35] Once every two years or twice a year.

[1:00:37] Cut off in three days. Yep.

[1:00:39] So we won't, we won't make that

[1:00:40] Won't be two years out.

[1:00:43] But some of them are like GOCO has two cycles.

[1:00:47] I think CPW for the trails grant has two cycles so

[1:00:52] they kind of ebb and flow.

[1:00:55] But we have a grant lady and she's amazing.

[1:00:57] We have a whole grant. Like we have a whole

[1:00:59] Team.

[1:01:00] Yeah.

[1:01:02] So archery may have

[1:01:03] to go on phase two just for timing issues.

[1:01:06] For funding you mean? Yeah, funding

[1:01:07] For funding and timing that way.

[1:01:09] Which they're, they'll have to be city match of some sort.

[1:01:12] So that could be the city's match as well.

[1:01:14] Oh yeah, that's true. Because most grants have a match.

[1:01:19] 25% match

[1:01:20] Somewhere.

[1:01:21] Well and I also think I just from a perspective

[1:01:25] of a community, like look what we could offer them

[1:01:29] for less money than, than Birch.

[1:01:34] And not that everybody knows all those things,

[1:01:36] but they would be like, oh my gosh, look how huge this,

[1:01:39] this park is that we didn't have to have taxes raised for.

[1:01:45] And it's a different demographic abuser too.

[1:01:47] Yeah, for sure.

[1:01:48] Yep. And it all falls into your priority list

[1:01:53] and your strategic plan, which will start

[1:01:57] that process next time

[1:02:00] Before in May.

[1:02:01] Well the money we were gonna use

[1:02:02] to fix the tennis courts we don't need.

[1:02:03] 'cause you're gonna put a field house on top

[1:02:05] of 'em some money there,

[1:02:09] So, so Are you guys gonna be able

[1:02:12] to ac access this in like a side by side

[1:02:17] or something for trash or

[1:02:20] You mean the maintenance people? Yeah,

[1:02:22] Like for cleanup along the trails and

[1:02:26] I don't know.

[1:02:27] Well for, could that be adopt a trail too? Right? Yeah,

[1:02:30] That's a good point.

[1:02:31] It could be adopt a trail. I'm sure

[1:02:33] when we're talking about trail building it, if

[1:02:35] that was a desire during the design of construction,

[1:02:39] you could design the trails to be wide enough to get

[1:02:42] Grand River clearly should adopt that trail.

[1:02:45] Or you buy an e-bike with a, with a trailer on it

[1:02:48] and allow someone,

[1:02:49] Or you buy a dirt bike for Keith,

[1:02:54] which Keith now I know now two dirt bike,

[1:02:57] two dirt bikes for both kids. We have

[1:02:59] Two keys.

[1:03:00] We both take it to worry about.

[1:03:05] I I think this is An

[1:03:09] Easy Yes.

[1:03:10] Completely durable. Yeah, I I, I agree. An easy yes. The

[1:03:12] Way that they are building housing over there now,

[1:03:15] It's A lot.

[1:03:17] Kind of does bump it up a

[1:03:18] Little bit.

[1:03:19] We something over there which we don't have. Right.

[1:03:21] Which is huge. I like the way you framed it

[1:03:24] with the I 70 traffic too.

[1:03:26] I wonder if you can get support from like

[1:03:28] visitor grant things within the city or money from that.

[1:03:31] Is that a real thing? Visitor improvement

[1:03:37] money or he take some of that?

[1:03:39] Well look into that.

[1:03:43] Yeah. He's like, yeah, it's a thing.

[1:03:47] I'm just, I'm brainstorming spit balling here. Yeah.

[1:03:51] I start encouraging the lobbying tax increase.

[1:03:56] Yes. Any other feedback

[1:03:59] on South Rifle?

[1:04:03] Do you need a decision phase one? Do it all from

[1:04:05] Us. Phase one,

[1:04:06] I say two phase.

[1:04:07] I have a general idea, playground

[1:04:08] Phased approach.

[1:04:09] So Okay. I'll take that to them

[1:04:12] and have them do the phase approach

[1:04:14] and then they'll, we'll come back to you.

[1:04:18] But three is a playground,

[1:04:19] but you have what you need from us today.

[1:04:21] Okay.

[1:04:22] Took notes. Do

[1:04:23] We need to determine if this is high

[1:04:25] priority at this time? No,

[1:04:27] That'll come during your Coming up.

[1:04:29] Real strategic planning.

[1:04:31] Right. Coming up real soon. It

[1:04:34] Really factor because they have to do theirs

[1:04:35] first and funding.

[1:04:37] Where else are we? Yeah, we Start strategic planning in

[1:04:41] May because we're approaching the end

[1:04:42] of useful life son. We'll have three

[1:04:44] Different meetings, three months.

[1:04:46] Those are the things we'll talk about

[1:04:49] coming up in the next few meetings.

[1:04:51] Okay. Okay.

[1:04:55] Are we on to administrative reports? So

[1:05:03] Yep.

[1:05:05] Don't really have anything other than we're 13 days

[1:05:08] into owning the golf course.

[1:05:10] Woo-hoo. So that's been a process.

[1:05:13] What has these 13 days looked like?

[1:05:16] Well, it was terrible when we were there yesterday,

[1:05:17] I'll just say that I joke, I was joking.

[1:05:21] I was joking. Strike from the record. Yes.

[1:05:24] I'm trying to learn golf course operations

[1:05:26] and how they function and they're trying to learn

[1:05:29] how we operate in our standards.

[1:05:31] So we're working through the process right now.

[1:05:33] We have an RFP out for irrigation design

[1:05:36] for the new irrigation system.

[1:05:39] So that is in the works.

[1:05:40] And so you'll start hearing lots more about the golf course

[1:05:45] as the advisory board to council for the golf course.

[1:05:51] Cody Kawell, who's the general manager,

[1:05:53] will come once a quarter starting next quarter at the end

[1:05:58] of next quarter, and give kind of financial updates

[1:06:02] where the golf course is sitting, any major needs

[1:06:06] or repairs that are happening.

[1:06:07] So he'll be able to give you a deep dive into that.

[1:06:10] So we're working through that process right now. But

[1:06:13] Are the positions like flown

[1:06:15] and hiring started for the 'cause?

[1:06:18] Then you have to like reopen all the

[1:06:19] positions that, for the people that worked out

[1:06:20] There.

[1:06:21] All of our positions are full at the golf course except

[1:06:22] for we need a couple more seasonals to work in the pro shop.

[1:06:26] And is the lease for the restaurant renewed?

[1:06:29] They're on an eight month term.

[1:06:32] That'll expire December 31st if we don't provide them notice

[1:06:36] at auto or news for three years.

[1:06:41] I know I've talked to a few people about us acquiring this

[1:06:43] and feedback was positive.

[1:06:46] I thought that was a great idea.

[1:06:48] So, and then we're just getting Keith

[1:06:53] up to speed on operations

[1:06:55] and kind of his role will be kind of taking parks

[1:07:00] and rec operations and really focusing on that and helping

[1:07:04] and supporting Keith Gray and Matt's

[1:07:08] and then helping at the pool.

[1:07:10] 'cause he has a vast knowledge of pool operations.

[1:07:14] So what are you gonna do now? Golf course.

[1:07:17] Golf course. Playing

[1:07:18] Golf all day. Golf course.

[1:07:20] Yes. Yeah.

[1:07:22] And then sign off on all the things he needs

[1:07:24] to sign off on for everything else.

[1:07:26] So you'll, you'll see some, some transitions

[1:07:28] of him at your next couple meetings

[1:07:31] of giving you updates on those.

[1:07:32] And so,

[1:07:35] and then Sarah is officially, she has a new job title again.

[1:07:42] So she's hired as the parks admin assistant.

[1:07:45] And then in that process, the admin assistant for admin,

[1:07:49] so Pat and Alexis came open

[1:07:52] and so we reduced our FTE by one

[1:07:55] and Sarah's now supporting the city manager,

[1:07:59] the city clerk, and then myself.

[1:08:01] And so today is her first day

[1:08:03] and that, so she'll be running all the board meetings for us

[1:08:08] and then supporting Alexis in council

[1:08:09] meetings and all those things.

[1:08:12] So I can officially say she's

[1:08:15] Not in HR anymore.

[1:08:16] It's my first day. Yay.

[1:08:20] So we're happy to have her too. Yes. Hey, keep me in line.

[1:08:26] That's under other duties as a sign. Yes. Yes, I have.

[1:08:30] Can answer any questions that you guys have or good to go.

[1:08:34] Good, thank you. Okay, that's great.

[1:08:38] Nothing else else.

[1:08:40] Seven 18 according oh seven 19. Seven 17.

[1:08:45] I don't know. Sarah, whatever you feel like riding seven 19

[1:08:50] hit the gavel.

Rifle Parks & Recreation Advisory Board • Apr 13, 2026

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