[0:09] Good evening. I'd like to welcome everyone to the Village of Riverside

[0:13] Board of Trustees regular meeting of Thursday, March 19th, 2026.

[0:20] Uh please stand as you're able and join me in the pledge of allegiance.

[0:26] I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

[0:32] republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:39] justice for all.

[0:44] » Clerk Stenzel, please call the role. >> Trusty Marsha,

[0:47] » here. >> Trusty Gallagher here.

[0:48] » Trusty CS >> here.

[0:50] » Trusty Evans here. >> Trusty Mateo here.

[0:52] » Trusty Fitzgerald here. Manager Francis >> here. President Pollock

[0:55] » here. >> Also, President Clerk Stenzel.

[0:59] » Uh we have a brief president's report. Uh upcoming village meetings include the

[1:04] following. Uh March 23rd, Parks and Recreation Board regular meeting.

[1:10] Riverside Public Library at 6:30 p.m. March 25th, Planning and Zoning

[1:17] Commission regular meeting at uh here at the Village Hall Town Hall. uh room 4

[1:23] 6:30 p.m. And our next regular scheduled meeting is April 2nd. Uh same time, same

[1:31] place, 6:30 p.m. Town Hall. Uh that concludes my president's report.

[1:38] Do we have any trustee reports this evening?

[1:43] There are none. Uh Manager Francis, manager's report.

[1:47] » Thank you. I have two items to update the board and the public on. One being

[1:52] um the board might have seen that Joel Kennedy is starting to work on parkway

[1:58] restorations from lead service lines that were installed last year. Um so

[2:04] this will be firsttime restorations in the parkway and also any areas that have

[2:08] subsided over the winter will be restored as well. Another item that will

[2:13] begin soon is Nyor's restoration over on Cowi. They'll be restoring the roadway,

[2:19] curbs, sidewalk, and um the parkway. There will be a detour when that work

[2:26] begins. Uh public works staff is working on obtaining the details and

[2:30] coordinating through Nyore and their contractors. Once the village has

[2:34] received that information regarding the detour and the timing, we will share it

[2:38] with the public. As of this evening, we don't have confirmed dates, but as soon

[2:43] as we do, we will send those out. That is all I have this evening.

[2:47] Thank you. Uh public comments for non-aggenda items. Is there anyone in

[2:52] attendance who would like to address the board uh on a matter that is not on our

[2:56] agenda tonight? Uh knowing that uh as we go through the agenda, there'll be

[3:01] public comments on those specific items. There are none. Uh consent agenda. Clerk

[3:07] Stenzel, please read the consent agenda. >> Approve voucher list of bills March

[3:12] 19th, 2026. Approve village board of trustees regular meeting minutes March

[3:16] 19th, 2026. Approve village village board of trustees executive meeting

[3:21] minutes March 5th, 2026. The previous one was also March 5th. Review and file

[3:26] board and commission minutes economic development commission regular meeting

[3:29] minutes January 14th, 2026. Landscape Advisory Commission regular meeting

[3:34] minutes February 10th, 2026. Historical commission regular meeting minutes

[3:38] February 16th, 2026. Review and file department reports. Public works

[3:43] February 2026 finance February 2026 2025 community development annual report

[3:51] and 2025 public safety annual report. A resolution authorizing the village

[3:56] manager to create a purchase order in the amount of $174,900

[4:02] for Christopher B. Burke Engineering to provide professional design and

[4:06] constructive engineering services as part of the South Coat Road res.

[4:12] An ordinance amending the village code relative to beekeeping and henkeeping

[4:15] and amending a fee schedule for the village riverside. An approval of facade

[4:19] grant application for Salme 35 East Burlington.

[4:23] » Do any of these items uh need to be removed from the consent agenda?

[4:28] Uh there are none. I'd ask for a motion and a second to approve the consent

[4:32] agenda. >> So moved.

[4:34] » Second. >> Motion and second. Clerk Stenzel, please

[4:36] call the role. >> Trusty Marsha.

[4:38] » I. >> Trusty Galgas.

[4:39] » Hi. >> Trusty Cos.

[4:40] » I. >> Trusty Evans.

[4:42] » I. >> Trusty Matteo.

[4:43] » I. >> Trusty Fitzgerald.

[4:44] » Hi. >> Motion carries. Uh, department board and

[4:47] commission reports. We have an update this evening from for from the parks and

[4:52] recreation department. Assistant director Megan Cisa will provide that

[4:56] report. Good evening, President Pollock, village

[5:01] trustees, manager Francis. I just wanted to provide you all with a quick update

[5:05] on some events and programs that we have coming up as we move into the spring

[5:09] season. Our variety of egg hunt events will take place later this month. We

[5:13] will kick off the egg hunt festivities with our teen flashlight egg hunt that

[5:18] will take place next Thursday, March 26th, over at Indian Gardens. The hunt

[5:23] will begin at 7:45 p.m. and we invite those that are 11 to 15 to join us for

[5:28] that. Just be sure to bring a basket and a flashlight with you. We will follow

[5:33] that up with our annual egg hunt which will take place on Saturday, March 28th

[5:36] over at Big Ballpark. We will begin our age groups promptly at 10:00 a.m. and we

[5:41] invite those that are 10 and under to join us for that. The bunny will also be

[5:45] available at that event for photos. And then we will conclude our egg hunt

[5:49] events with our golden egg hunt which will take place from March 31st to April

[5:53] 2nd. Each day in that time frame, new golden eggs will be hidden in the parks.

[5:58] Each golden egg that's found is going to be eligible for a $10 parks and recck

[6:01] certificate to use toward any future program or event. Moving on to

[6:06] programming that we have, we've got a variety of programs that are beginning

[6:09] in the next few weeks. Some upcoming adult programs that we have are cardio

[6:13] kickboxing, weight training, Zumba, yoga. We have a Mother's Day paint and

[6:18] sip, and dodgeball and pickle ball tournaments. And then some upcoming

[6:22] youth programs include a spring break art camp, flag football, and spring

[6:26] soccer, as well as our ongoing nature programs such as Saturdays in the Woods,

[6:30] and Earth Day nature hike. And speaking of programming, our summer program

[6:35] brochure will release in May with all of our summer programs, classes, and

[6:38] events. Be sure to keep an eye out in your mail for our seasonal brochure

[6:42] mailer that will come out to announce when that is released. And lastly, we're

[6:46] very excited to announce our brand new weekly newsletter for Riverside Parks

[6:50] and Recreation. Every Tuesday, we will release a newsletter to your email

[6:54] that's going to include some exciting upcoming programs and events. This is

[6:57] going to be the best way to keep up to date with all things Riverside Parks and

[7:01] Wreck. We did send out an initial signup email as well as our first newsletter.

[7:05] And if you did not receive that, you are able to sign up um with the QR code

[7:09] that's been posted both to the Riverside Parks and Recck Facebook page as well as

[7:12] the village p Facebook page. Thanks. >> Thank you. Any questions for assistant

[7:19] director Cisco? I would just make one comment. Um

[7:24] » since we adopted Well, first of all, thank you for the update on the

[7:28] programs. Uh, spring is here, so it's time to get out, get outside and sign up

[7:34] for a program. But I also want to take this opportunity to thank the parks and

[7:39] recreation department and parks and recreation board on the tremendous

[7:44] success, in my opinion, you've had already in implementing your master plan

[7:48] for 2025. We've already got funding for for uh uh Turtle Park uh and um and Ble

[7:59] Park, right? Yeah. Ble uh funding and that's in the pipeline. And we're hoping

[8:05] to follow that up with Harrington next summer. And uh also the parks and

[8:10] recreation board will be considering another goal from the master plan of

[8:14] creating zoning for the uh parks and open space in the village. So, thank you

[8:20] to the department and the board. >> Thank you very much.

[8:25] » Uh, pending business, um, presentation and discussion of new public safety

[8:31] facility visualization concepts. Manager Francis,

[8:35] » thank you. Um we do have the team from Williams Architects that will walk the

[8:40] village board through um the different schemes and designs for the board to

[8:46] take a look at and provide some feedback on. Additionally, I just wanted to

[8:51] provide the board a brief update after this evening. Um the next step based on

[8:56] the feedback that's received, Williams will then attend a preservation

[9:00] commission meeting and get additional feedback based on the narrow down down

[9:05] designs that the village board wants preservation to react to and give

[9:10] additional feedback. So with I will turn it over to the Williams team.

[9:18] » Good. Good evening, President Pollock, village trustees manager Francis. um

[9:23] happy to be here again tonight and um we'll have all four of our team members

[9:28] presenting um this evening a lot of information about the concept. So um

[9:32] let's just get right into it and next please. So we want to just bring you up

[9:38] to speed um as to where we've been um what we've been working on for the last

[9:43] few months and ultimately the four different ideas we have um for the

[9:48] exterior of the project. Um, we also have partnered with harbor contractors

[9:54] and Chris Kak is here tonight to tell you a little bit about where costs are

[9:58] projected at the moment as well as some ideas to um perhaps um bring costs down.

[10:04] At this point, we are um simply looking for feedback from you as the village

[10:10] board um what you like, what you don't like um in terms of the exterior concept

[10:14] so we can continue to move forward and and refine. But most of all, we want to

[10:19] make sure we're answering your questions and keeping you as informed as possible

[10:22] about the proposal. So, um I sort of just gave away the the

[10:28] updates. Um we've worked um had several meetings with staff. Um we've um put

[10:35] together um four very um distinct concepts um for the exterior. We've also

[10:42] really validated the work that you've seen so far by engaging a civil engineer

[10:47] and a structural engineer to make sure that we really understand the site to

[10:51] confirm that we do not need to do anything further in terms of storm water

[10:56] um detention which we have confirmed and to understand um how we would be

[11:02] actually structuring this in consultation with a structural engineer.

[11:05] So um there is a measure of um architectural and engineering

[11:11] feasibility that are baked into these concepts that we're um going to show you

[11:15] tonight and talked a little bit about next steps as manager Francis mentioned

[11:20] um we're ready to move um upon your direction into design adjustments and

[11:25] review um by the preservation commission and to begin the community engagement

[11:30] process around this project. Um, so with that, um, I will turn it

[11:35] over to our project manager, Kim Nigro, to recap the site plan and the floor

[11:40] plans and then we'll move to the exterior concepts. Thank you.

[11:47] » Thank you everyone. Glad to be back with you. Um, I'll just start by recapping

[11:51] the um, site plan and floor plans. um some of which most of which you saw at

[11:56] our last presentation but it has been refined based on your feedback and um

[12:01] some consensus um about the various schemes that we presented at our last

[12:04] meeting. So um oh good this works. Oh thank you sorry

[12:10] just getting back off. Thank you chief. So um just to give you the brief quick

[12:17] overview of the site plan of the various schemes that we presented last time. The

[12:21] main difference was whether the apparatus bay would be um flanked by the

[12:26] apparatus support to the east or more or whether that support bar would be more

[12:31] in the center of the overall layout based on again feedback from all of you

[12:36] and more conversations with the manager and chief. Um the decision was that

[12:41] keeping the apparatus bays more um toward the center and putting that

[12:46] support on the outside edge um provided a couple of different benefits within

[12:50] the plan layout itself as well as on the site. So this allows that apparatus

[12:55] apron to be a little further away from the drive down to the lower level. Um

[12:59] provides that surface level parking here for staff to come in quickly. Um and

[13:04] then we've also again still focusing on the community and public space here as a

[13:11] light touched link to the existing village hall. Um based on the feedback

[13:17] again, we've focused the entryway right here on axis with the colonade or view

[13:23] connection out toward the river. Um and and as you'll start to see in the

[13:27] exterior schemes that we'll show you, um all of the schemes have this layout on

[13:33] site. All of the schemes have the same kind of axis and exterior um colonade

[13:39] and patio space um and you know are basically all in the same massing and

[13:46] form on the site.

[13:51] So this um lower level plan really again hasn't changed since you last saw it. um

[13:56] parking available for um police here on the lower level, entrance uh for staff

[14:02] to a staff stair that takes them um or through the elevator securely up to

[14:08] secure administrative space on the second floor. Um and then keeping kind

[14:13] of the basic storage of the building under the apparatus bay on this end and

[14:18] the evidence processing and storage here um near where they would enter and then

[14:23] the utilities on the far end.

[14:29] So, this again, as I kind of recapped on the site plan, the main floor level has

[14:34] um this community space around the lobby here with the public conference room and

[14:40] toilets and the you we're saying ornamental stair that really just means

[14:43] open, not an enclosed fire stair. um and space for displaying of the historic

[14:49] firet truck and um potential repositioning of some um village hall

[14:55] space in the in the existing village hall. Uh and again that really nicely

[15:01] consolidated shared administrative space between police and fire. And then as we

[15:07] move to the east, the um apparatus and the support zones um for the apparatus

[15:14] bay.

[15:18] And on the upper level, again, all of the community space is focused here on

[15:23] the west end where they could come up this public stair, access restrooms,

[15:28] access the fitness space, um, come down this public corridor all the way through

[15:33] to the public terrace, um, and to the community space, which is has access to

[15:39] Riverside TV, the kitchen, and some storage. So, the elevator is here

[15:46] centrally located. this would have public access at this level. Um, also if

[15:51] police or fire needed to use that elevator at this upper level, they can

[15:55] do that and then come into a secure corridor

[15:59] where most of the police functions are are focused right here with a men's

[16:04] locker room and toilet and showers, women's locker room, toilet and showers,

[16:08] and then as you move on, um, this shared kitchen, dining and day room space, and

[16:14] then the more private bunk rooms and lockers for fire and EMS personnel.

[16:20] Well, that was one of the comments from the last meeting was um liking them

[16:24] having kind of their own quieter wing over here um on the other side of the

[16:28] apparatus bay. So, yeah, again, just more public zone shared and and more

[16:35] quiet private on the end. So, with that, I'm going to move into um

[16:41] exterior schemes unless anyone has any thoughts or questions about the plan

[16:45] recap. So, I want to start by again kind of

[16:50] talking about what's in common with the four different schemes that we've looked

[16:53] at. Um we've tried to take our cues um based on listening to chief and uh um

[17:00] manager and and all of the committee about paying reverence to this historic

[17:06] village hall but not trying to imitate it. understanding the cues that we're

[17:10] receiving from the proportions of the building and um respecting that,

[17:16] following that language, but creating a new um design for this new um facility.

[17:23] So, we've done things like looking at the strong horizontal masonry banding of

[17:28] this building and taking some cues from that. We've looked at these the strong

[17:32] corner vertical elements with the turrets and taking some cues from that.

[17:37] Um and then we've um because of the large footprint of this plan as compared

[17:42] to this building, we've tried to break it down into clear those same kind of

[17:47] clear functions of public administrative fire and you know make sure that it's

[17:54] not looking like a vast facade by comparison to this building. and at the

[17:58] same time wanting to um celebrate the height of this building while keeping

[18:04] this new facility lower. Again, because it is um wider, a little larger in

[18:10] footprint, we wanted to not have it also be as tall and competing with this facil

[18:15] this structure in that in that way as well.

[18:20] So, we've kind of named each of these schemes so that you have a little

[18:23] something to remember. It's it's going to be a lot that we go through tonight.

[18:26] So, I want um you to be able to refer back to which was that scheme. So, we've

[18:31] named this one dynamic response. And so, scheme one uh really started around a

[18:37] desire to um look at how closely we are situated up against the village hall,

[18:44] but give it a little bit of room to breathe. So, um that footprint that in

[18:48] plan was pretty square. In this version, we're sort of um angling a few of the

[18:54] walls, mostly this colonade that kind of leads you through to the river and

[18:58] bending right around this point where we get tight at this turret. Um and so the

[19:05] idea was that as you enter in the facade, this the this column structure

[19:10] feels wider, feels welcoming, kind of funnels you into the space and then

[19:16] widens again at the back, opens up again at the terrace. So you feel that kind of

[19:20] dynamic um movement as you as a you know from someone from the community coming

[19:26] to that space. And then again as I'd mentioned um we've taken these these um

[19:33] horizontal banding of the facility and kind of mirrored that um in terms of the

[19:39] proportions of overall and then breaking this community space down separately in

[19:45] mass from the apparatus bays and the support zone on the end. And in talking

[19:51] about some kind of tower anchoring elements vertically in each scheme,

[19:55] you'll see kind of this repeating um vertical elements that um you know give

[20:01] some repeat the rhythm of these elements.

[20:07] So this gives that view kind of right through the entry and through um to the

[20:11] green space along the river. And you can kind of see those columns begin to

[20:16] repeat leading you in. This would be that historic um firetruck display could

[20:21] could be on either side and and then uh the public conference room and fitness

[20:26] here. So it is glassier on this front area. This is where those community

[20:29] spaces would be.

[20:37] And then as we each of these images will kind of move you around to the south

[20:41] toward the river as we And so this again is that um oop sorry

[20:48] the um bunk rooms here and some light into the apparatus bay um support spaces

[20:56] some lighting into stair towers

[21:01] and on the back again um having kind of expressing these

[21:07] um ramps and and this dynamic um sort of angular shapes again where you emerge

[21:14] from the building with this colonade. Um and then having that repeating that kind

[21:20] of angled shading at the community terrace as well.

[21:30] And so then as you approach from the river, walk from the west, you would

[21:35] enter this public patio level. And then again, there's the terrace um that's

[21:42] supported by that colonade up at the community room level.

[21:48] I should have said in the beginning, each of these schemes might have

[21:52] elements or aspects that you like. They they are all somewhat interchangeable.

[21:56] if there's some aspect of scheme one that you feel like would also work or be

[22:01] celebrated in scheme three. Um just like with the plans, you know, we want to

[22:06] show you these four options as a way of showing a lot of different ideas and

[22:10] then taking that feedback and and working them in together.

[22:16] So there's kind of an aerial view where you can see that bending um a little

[22:21] more a little more clearly illustrated. And then the apparatus bay roof would be

[22:28] set a little lower to allow some daylighting in along the um living

[22:32] dining uh day room spaces.

[22:43] Okay, move on to scheme number two. Oh, I one more. Sorry. Elevations. So

[22:50] the the flat elevations we thought were kind of helpful to really look at the

[22:54] scale of this building compared to those historical datms and lines in the

[22:59] masonry and how we're kind of pulling those through and then how we're kind of

[23:03] breaking down this eastern facade that's facing more towards the residential

[23:08] areas with more punched opening smaller scale windows to keep that looking

[23:14] appealing. Okay.

[23:25] Good evening. Uh again, uh president, board, and uh and staff. Happy to be

[23:29] back, uh here with you all. Uh so this is I've got control here, right? Uh

[23:34] forward and back. All right. Um as uh as Kim shared, uh these images will take

[23:40] you on a walk around uh each one of the schemes. Uh, another thing I wanted to

[23:46] mention with these, as you see, we're showing this in a very light, um, just

[23:50] kind of off-white collar with a little hint of material. So, uh, to build on,

[23:54] uh, a bit of what was said, we're beginning to hint at materiality. So,

[23:58] uh, keeping that in mind, too, like the kind of interchangeability of ideas with

[24:02] these schemes, some of these lend themselves to, uh, inherently a little

[24:06] bit more of a traditional look. Uh, but even the more modern look uh, could use

[24:12] more traditional materials. masonry or or wood cladding and different things

[24:16] that could uh kind of help bridge the gap between the the new and the old. So,

[24:20] just keeping that in mind, we we've intentionally left these a little bit of

[24:23] a blank slate with that um material uh flexibility in mind. So, uh I'll take

[24:29] you around this one that we're calling um contextual presence. And uh as you

[24:34] see immediately it feels a little more traditional, a little more in uh uh in

[24:39] tune maybe with the the traditional architecture of the adjacent building.

[24:43] Uh but yeah, very interested to have you all review all these and and give us

[24:48] your thoughts uh if we're finding that balance. Um so the uh entry through the

[24:56] middle there, you've got the view through and hint of the the river

[25:00] beyond. We've got the historic engine number three. uh tucked into the the

[25:04] space between the buildings on this one and this one you see we've we've kept a

[25:08] little further away than scheme one. So you also see the view to the sky beyond

[25:14] um and with the tight program there there's uh moves that we make with these

[25:18] like with this one you see the upper level begins to pull forward a bit. So

[25:22] by um kind of tight moving it further away from the village hall we we flex

[25:27] and scoot the spaces forward a little bit. So, just a subtle difference that

[25:30] you'll see with some of these. Um, so here we're moving around um to the

[25:35] northeast. Uh, this one uh also does the the moves with the massing to step down

[25:41] and then step back up uh at the corners. Uh here's the view from the swinging

[25:46] bridge of the um south facade. Those views into the living spaces and then

[25:53] the much larger glazed opening into the community room on the upper level.

[25:59] Uh this one uh still has as all of them have the upper and lower um terrace on

[26:04] the river side uh but with a more pulled back overhang.

[26:10] Um here's the view from the potential riverwalk uh coming up from the

[26:17] southwest.

[26:20] And uh note again note the the large windows into and out of the um the

[26:26] community room. Here's the aerial

[26:32] from the northeast and then the other aerial from the southwest. And also

[26:36] wanted to point out from the southwest views, you'll see a little hint of what

[26:40] we were thinking of as a potential um art wall on the what's currently a a

[26:45] literal blank slate on the back side of the uh the village hall where we just

[26:49] have the lap siding there. Uh our thought was this could with um the

[26:53] adjacency of the new public space could be an opportunity for a mural or or art

[26:57] wall of some kind. So you'll see that in in all of the schemes. Um the other um

[27:04] unique difference on this one uh a much more um like curve linear approach to

[27:09] the riverw walk. And with all of these schemes, uh you'll you'll also see how

[27:13] in collaboration with our um uh civil engineers, we're we're retaining that or

[27:18] we're keeping the existing retaining wall and any proposed new work is being

[27:22] held back from that retaining wall from the river. So, uh subtle detail on those

[27:27] riverwalk schemes. There's um the elevations.

[27:34] Uh and um we're only we were only showing the like the primary public

[27:38] elevations. Um but we've kind of studied as you saw in the 3Ds the the the

[27:42] alignment um on all sides.

[27:49] And moving on um to the um next one. I'm going to take the middle two and then

[27:53] I'll hand it uh hand it off to another member so you don't have to hear from

[27:56] one of us for too long. Uh so this one we're calling um spatial framing. And uh

[28:02] what you'll start to see with this one is this theme of kind of linear bands

[28:06] that uh that encircle and frame certain spaces or views uh around the building.

[28:11] So um there at the entry, this piece that rises up and frames that entry and

[28:17] the view through. And you see a hint of another framing element on the far side,

[28:20] which you'll see as we move around.

[28:25] Uh here we've got the the stair towers, very similar massing to the others

[28:29] responding to that program, but rather than the kind of capped tower, it's got

[28:33] this uh framing element that that um uh frames the tower with some glazing in

[28:38] there to provide light into the stair tower.

[28:42] Here's the view from the swinging bridge with the articulation of the south

[28:46] facade. uh more of those um boxed elements around there which as you start

[28:51] to see in this view and you'll see in the other ones as well the articulation

[28:54] on the south we begin to push and pull a little bit to provide solar control on

[28:58] the south uh the lighting here is based on accurate um sun uh light that would

[29:03] hit the building at different times in the year uh so you can see how in like

[29:07] morning light in I forget what day we based this on but the those elements

[29:12] that come out are providing important um feature to help prevent glare and direct

[29:16] uh heat gain coming into those spaces while still uh allowing views out.

[29:22] This one uh has that framing around that upper piece. So uh still open to the

[29:27] river but a little more enclosed.

[29:31] Here's the view uh approaching down the possible riverwalk extension

[29:39] uh and the aerial views.

[29:47] Yeah. So, more of a angular kind of river walk uh scheme shown on this one.

[29:52] And you'll notice with all of these, we we were providing some like stepping

[29:56] terracing or like potential little planter areas that would provide uh

[29:59] engagement on the the riverwalk and terrace as well.

[30:04] Here's those elevations.

[30:12] All right, I'll hand it back to Kim. >> Thank you.

[30:16] So, um, this final scheme, we wanted to, um, certainly show a version that did

[30:22] have, um, pitched roofs and take a little bit of a cue from this building

[30:27] in that way, while at the same time not going quite for the steepness that this

[30:31] building has. This is not a building of that era, and we don't want to again

[30:35] compete with with this building in that way. So, um, but we did want to do a

[30:40] version to show you where we use those different roof shapes again to anchor

[30:45] these, um, sort of towers at the corner and and give presence to the entryway.

[30:50] Um so um the other thing about this scheme and why we're calling it

[30:54] traditional anchoring is we're also exploring some other ideas of smaller

[31:00] punched openings um that might lend itself more to an overall masonry

[31:04] construction again a little more like the village hall. And like Joe said, um

[31:09] the materiality is going to be another opportunity to relate back to this

[31:13] building in terms of color and materials and those kinds of selections regardless

[31:18] of what uh form the the new building takes. Um so in terms of the uh some of

[31:24] the elements in the scheme are very similar to scheme number two in terms of

[31:29] um these vertical kind of engaged columns and some of the um these sort of

[31:34] outriggers that are something a little bit prairie style or craftsman uh in

[31:41] nature.

[31:46] So again the similar view towards the river

[31:52] and in each scheme we are trying to think about providing you know some

[31:55] space where you would want privacy on the inside anyway. It creates a signage

[31:59] opportunity on the exterior.

[32:06] So, as we move to the south, again, just looking at breaking up some of these

[32:11] areas of glazing, slightly smaller glazing areas, um, balancing some what

[32:17] might be some additional roofing uh, costs with maybe less glazing costs.

[32:23] Um and in this scheme, one other difference um on the rear here is that

[32:27] because of the roof um massing, we've extended the roof out and made this a

[32:33] fully covered uh terrace where the columns go all the way up to support

[32:37] that roof structure. Uh again, in this scheme, we're showing

[32:43] a the same kind of riverwalk element with the curve linear

[32:49] design as in scheme two.

[32:54] you know, knowing that we aren't the landscape architects, we're the

[32:58] architects, but this building has so much integral relationship with what we

[33:03] know will be an important river um feature river future riverwalk. And so,

[33:09] regardless of, you know, even the early stages right now, we want to make sure

[33:12] that the architecture of this new facility is addressing that outdoor

[33:15] space even at a conceptual level and being informed by it.

[33:22] So again, as Joe mentioned, all of the schemes have that public art opportunity

[33:27] that you know, if you're enjoying this terrace, you've got a nice view of

[33:32] that public art opportunity.

[33:36] And there you can see a little better in elevation how those kind of roof

[33:40] elements um relate but don't compete with the

[33:45] village hall. So just to kind of recap so you can see

[33:50] them all in one place we thought would be helpful. Um again I hopefully seeing

[33:54] them all at once um reiterates the point that we've made about the overall

[33:59] massing the breaking up into public fire support elements and using those towers

[34:08] to anchor the corners and and mimic the existing village hall in that way.

[34:17] Sorry.

[34:20] » And again, just this slightly different riverwalk schemes as placeholders of

[34:25] that future idea and how this terrace space might start to relate to a future

[34:28] riverwalk. Okay. Any you want to stop and take some

[34:34] questions on the overall schemes or go all the way through?

[34:37] » Uh, I'd say go all the way. >> All the way through. Great.

[34:43] » We'll turn it over to Yes.

[34:50] » All right. Well, thank you everybody and it's a pleasure to be here and glad to

[34:54] meet you and I know I've worked with a couple of you in the past on different

[34:56] projects, but as a little introduction again, Chris Kak with Harbor

[35:00] Contractors. We're a 67y old construction management contracting

[35:04] company and public safety facilities is probably one of our primary market

[35:08] segments. I've been with the company for 23 years and I don't recall a time we

[35:12] hadn't had an active public safety project on at any one of those times. So

[35:17] with our experience on building projects and current projects and our historical

[35:22] costs, we kind of work with the Williams team to help pro provide some validation

[35:26] of the costs and obviously are being presented with some options and

[35:30] decisions to show kind of the order of magnitude impacts of those types of

[35:33] decisions. So we'll kind of get right into it. go backwards.

[35:39] So to get right into it, again, we based everything kind of off of the the scheme

[35:43] one project with initial price and we've got some details in the background of

[35:46] that, but try to give some validation of the different schemes and kind of their

[35:51] impacts of how things move along and change. Obviously, if you look at the

[35:55] concepts, there are some different things, more roof lines, more glass, and

[35:58] more windows, and those kind of lead to the

[36:00] » Sure. >> I'm sorry if I could interrupt.

[36:02] Absolutely. Could you tell us what when you say scheme one use the terminology

[36:07] as also that so scheme one is the dynamic?

[36:11] » Yes. >> Yes.

[36:12] » Thank you. >> Yep. The scheme one is the dynamic. And

[36:14] let me see if I go back a couple here. Where's your recap?

[36:19] » Yeah. The scheme one is a dynamic. >> Yeah.

[36:22] » And the next one, scheme two, the contextual presence. that would be or um

[36:28] you know the a lower cost of approximately $300,000 than the scheme

[36:32] one >> you know you get to go back to scheme

[36:36] three the spatial uh context that one you know it's basically the same cost as

[36:43] scheme one you know I mean it shows a small different thing and then scheme

[36:45] four is the highest cost if you go again you get additional roof lines the extra

[36:51] canopies and all that So,

[36:58] so that's the the total project budget we came up with and and we'll get to the

[37:01] next slide. It shows it is total project budget escalation, contingencies, owner

[37:06] costs and all that. You know, that's one thing that uh you'll you'll see as we go

[37:10] through. And then, you know, on top of that, we did the riverw walk allowance

[37:14] of uh additional budget of $3.5 million. you know, the main patio function of all

[37:20] of the options is in the base number, but the extension of the river walks

[37:24] going east and west, and that's kind of an area that's kind of up for design a

[37:27] little bit. And then, you know, we did have another item of renovations to the

[37:31] existing building. You know, there's some functions that are leaving this

[37:34] building. You know, kind of the basement moving area. You know, we kind of that

[37:37] as a placeholder of if you're going to do something with those spaces now or

[37:41] moving on. So what I want to talk about again this

[37:46] is probably a really important item of the total project budget. Um we do this

[37:52] a lot. We go through a lot of municipalities who are you know

[37:55] obviously you're looking what other people have done and you hear people

[37:58] talk about project costs of different projects they've done. It's those

[38:02] numbers are often all over the place. Some of them include land, some of them

[38:06] include owner costs, some of them are just the building costs. So this

[38:09] represents the total project budget. you know, going through there. I mean, the

[38:13] biggest item is the construction costs of the 223, which is about 75% of the

[38:18] total budget. Um, next biggest one is the soft cost, the owner's cost. You

[38:24] know, it's going to be design fees, furniture, a lot of costs that you guys

[38:28] have to deal with whenever you're doing a project. You know, it's kind of

[38:30] all-encompassing of the complete cost. Um, you know, we have included a

[38:35] contingency at this point. You know, the way we put these estimates together,

[38:39] like I said, we got a lot of experience doing this. We've worked with Williams

[38:42] quite a bit. We know even though these drawings are early stages, we kind of

[38:46] can envision what they're going to be when they get done completing them. You

[38:49] know, we know all the details that have to get added. We've had conversations

[38:52] with their structural engineers and work with their civil side. So, we can kind

[38:56] of anticipate what those things are going to be, but you know, it's be

[39:00] foolish at this point not to have a contingency in there because, you know,

[39:02] there's going to be things that move around. And we also included an

[39:05] escalation factor in there. You know, anticipating this would be a 2028 start.

[39:10] You know, we kind of do that on a, you know, average continual escalation over

[39:14] the years. You know, we don't really factor any current little minor price

[39:17] impacts. They usually all kind of smooth out and just kind of go over the

[39:20] historical, you know, 3 4% goes kind of per year. So, anybody have any questions

[39:26] on the total project budget? Okay.

[39:32] If we go to the next one, you know, um, one of the things we do on many of the

[39:36] projects, you know, yes, we're a builder, but we get involved very early

[39:40] on in these conceptual stages. You know, not only to help guide those or provide

[39:44] some cost validation behind those design decisions, but as with every project,

[39:50] everybody's trying to find the most economical way to build the project. So

[39:53] we start looking at options with uh the Williams team as they're going through

[39:58] design for you know are there ways for cost reductions. You know there's kind

[40:03] of two major categories A and B. There's permanent changes. You know decisions

[40:08] that you'll make that you can't really go back on you know of cutting the

[40:11] building in half or taking off a floor or something like that. You know major

[40:14] decisions or major program changes of reducing square footages. Those are

[40:18] difficult to come back with. The next one is bid alternates or future phases.

[40:23] It's portions of a project that we can establish when it gets to the point of

[40:28] this thing goes out for trade contractor bidding alternate pricing. They can be

[40:32] either ads or deducts of hey at uh the build out of this room. You know, they

[40:37] will provide the actual pricing. That decision can be made when you get the

[40:40] real final numbers at bid time. So that's a good strategy to, you know,

[40:45] kind of maximize your budget and also not, you know, get in a situation where

[40:50] you eliminate something and go, "Oh man, we got really good numbers. The bids

[40:53] came in really well." You know, in 2008 the economy was a perfect timing for

[40:57] bidding. And we wish we wouldn't have made that change. It gives you those

[41:00] options to have those things in there and choose as you go. So, you know,

[41:04] initial options, just talking, you know, and work with the Williams teams, we

[41:08] came up about $ three and a half million dollars of just initial options. That's

[41:11] kind of a first round of that. And it's kind of a continued effort during the

[41:15] design and pre-construction. You know, the way we work with the Williams teams

[41:19] is as they're coming up with an option or something, they won't completely

[41:23] spend the time and effort fully to design it out. They'll they'll consult

[41:26] with us. We'll work with them and guide them along the way of, hey, this is a

[41:30] more economical way to do it or, you know, here's a couple options you can

[41:33] consider as you're going through the design. But you know some of the options

[41:37] we've investigated are you know reduction in program spaces you know

[41:41] those are things obviously you spent a lot of time working on a program but you

[41:44] know sometimes choices have to be made and that's something to look at and you

[41:47] know evaluate it and look at those as you go through. You know the other thing

[41:52] is build the shell and core with future buildouts. You know, it's quite common

[41:55] thing we do with a lot of clients where, you know, hey, you design a portion of

[42:00] the building, you build the entire shell and cord, everything's there. You just

[42:03] don't put the finishes in and it's either funded as a separate project or

[42:06] bid as an alternate or something that could be a future phase of the project.

[42:10] You know, the west parking lot, you know, kind of the same thing we had in

[42:13] the budget, reconstructing the west parking lot, you know, and new paving

[42:17] and getting that, you know, uh, cleaned up and a little bit, you know, that

[42:20] could be a separate project later down the road. Um, you know, West Garage

[42:24] Drive, you know, we've got the drive-thru of the garage, you know,

[42:26] running through, you know, from east to west with the two garage doors. Same

[42:30] thing. That's something it could be a bid alternate or, you know, done as a

[42:33] future phase on the project. Um, you know, reduction amount of windows, you

[42:38] know, that's something, you know, as you look at the different concepts, you

[42:41] know, that's something that could be applied to any one of these concepts.

[42:43] You know, obviously that's one of the more expensive items in any project is

[42:46] the glass is more expensive than the masonry. So, it's something to look at.

[42:50] um alternative exterior materials. You know, we've already worked with the

[42:54] Williams team on the actual structural design of the building to kind of uh

[42:58] bring some costs a little bit more in line with that. But alternate materials,

[43:01] you know, that's something, you know, not necessarily could be a wholesale

[43:06] change in materials or it could be selective materials. And Whim's very

[43:09] good at mixing different materials and making it flow very well with their

[43:12] designs, but that's something we look at as options as we go through the project.

[43:17] Um, you know, there's other things of elimination of the ornamental stair, you

[43:20] know, going to something more traditional with than the kind of

[43:23] grander lobby that's in there. And then, you know, some open office space

[43:27] layouts, you know, I mean, that's something to look at a little more of a

[43:30] different concept where you have more of a cubicle type arrangement than offices.

[43:34] Obviously, given the nature of this facility, some of those things are need

[43:37] to be separate, you know, separate private offices, but it's an option to

[43:41] look at. So pretty much it's it's to provide kind of a guideline, a path of

[43:47] moving forward and continually looking at options throughout the process of

[43:52] what's the most economical way to meet your guys' vision. So that's kind of

[43:56] where we provide that support and help with that along the way. So any

[44:01] questions on that cost reduction process or thoughts?

[44:07] » We'll go through uh this. Yeah, once you guys are done, we'll we'll go through

[44:12] this in more detail. >> Absolutely. I think that's the last

[44:15] slide.

[44:19] » We got one.

[44:23] » Thank you, Chris. So, um just to wrap up and then um open everything up for

[44:27] questions and for feedback. um next steps. We certainly want to hear from

[44:31] all of you um what you um what you're thinking, what questions you have, what

[44:35] preferences you have. Anything that you want to say, don't ever show us again.

[44:39] It's all um it's all on the table and the goal is to show you a number of

[44:44] options um so that we can work together to get um to the solution that's in the

[44:49] best interest of the community. So um as we mentioned, we we'll have this

[44:53] discussion tonight, answer questions you have. We want to um if we are not if you

[45:00] all coales around a particular exterior idea that's wonderful. That is not our

[45:05] expectation or our goal for this evening. It's merely to receive

[45:09] feedback. If you wish as a um village board to sort of narrow the funnel um

[45:14] for preservation certainly um is is something you can

[45:19] choose to do. Um but um our next steps are to present this um to that group and

[45:24] then to start the engagement process to um inform the community um not only

[45:30] about the design for this project and the options for this project um but to

[45:34] work with staff and work with all of you around the underlying need. Why are we

[45:39] doing this? Why is this necessary? Why are we doing it now? So, um that is all

[45:44] coming up in um in the coming weeks and months, but um it's a lot of

[45:49] information. Um we're doing a public safety facility with fire and a lot of

[45:54] information sort of through a proverbial fire hose. So, at this point, love to

[45:58] turn it over to you for questions and comments.

[46:00] » Thank you. Um in order for us to you know, there's a lot to digest here

[46:06] obviously. uh and in order I want to organize how we proceed with our

[46:11] discussion. I have a suggestion but I I'm open to to uh other other

[46:17] considerations. I would suggest we go through the visuals first one at a time.

[46:25] Maybe we say what we like and don't like about each one and uh then we get into

[46:30] the cost reduction um uh discussion because the cost reduction

[46:36] applies equally more or less to all the different options. Right. Yeah. Does

[46:41] that work for the trustees? >> So I'd like to start with the site plan

[46:46] because I have one comment on the site plan.

[46:51] » Thank you. I'll just stay right here.

[46:55] » And and this relates to the cost savings stuff, too. My

[47:00] comment when I f saw this over the weekend was, do we really need that west

[47:05] drive at all? Uh, and so I asked manager Francis that and I believe the answer

[47:10] was not really. >> No. Um, initially when we were talking

[47:14] about that drive, it was when we were conceptually thinking about having the

[47:19] the fire apparatus kind of swinging around, but that changed and evolved

[47:24] over time. So that additional access point is is not needed and actually that

[47:29] will probably help free up space for a trash enclosure

[47:34] » and it could be repurp or could be used in the future as more public space as

[47:39] well. >> Sure. It's valuable riverfront space to

[47:42] have unnecessary drive doesn't seem necessary.

[47:48] » But sort of the site plan question leads into another one of my

[47:53] questions about all the schemes and that is um for the mechanicals for the

[47:58] buildings. Um you know a lot of places put their air conditioner condensers on

[48:03] the roof. I just wasn't clear on where the intended place for that was and

[48:11] whether they would be visible or somehow enclosed.

[48:16] » Sure. I I can I can answer that question. And um we're we haven't

[48:19] determined the um the exact mechanical systems for the project, but um it's

[48:25] very likely that we'd have something for cooling and ventilation on the roof um

[48:30] which would be fully screened. um that lower roof over the apparatus bays is an

[48:35] ideal place for that. Um I have not studied your zoning ordinance in great

[48:39] detail, but I'm relatively certain that it would require screening of those

[48:43] units. So um that would handle a lot of the ventilation and cooling heating. Um

[48:48] we can we can look at options indoors. Um we do like to do these facilities um

[48:54] with hot water heat um and then air handling units which could be in the

[48:58] basement mechanical rooms. But um we do anticipate some degree of equipment on

[49:02] the roof and for that equipment to be screened.

[49:06] » Are there um any of the particular designs that would be um more amendable

[49:12] to that? I mean it seems like some of them are pretty

[49:17] um flat and low. >> Yeah, I think it's something we have to

[49:22] study to be very honest. In my mind, um the the more contemporary or the the low

[49:28] slope or flat roof concepts um that have more horizontal elements lend themselves

[49:34] to um those mechanical enclosures a little better because we could use more

[49:39] horizontal elements to help with that screening. But um if the desire of um

[49:46] the village is to explore something that has those more traditional forms, we can

[49:50] find ways to to screen in in ways that that make sense. We we work on projects

[49:55] all the time where it looks like a sloped roof building from the street and

[50:01] um somewhere in the center invisible to anybody except someone who has a drone

[50:05] or somebody flying over. Um you've got some accounts and stuff there.

[50:09] » Wonderful. Thank you. >> So I think we can work that up no matter

[50:11] what. Okay. Any other questions or comments on the site plan?

[50:17] Is there a general agreement to eliminate the West Drive?

[50:21] » Yes. >> Great. Um, so let's move on to the uh

[50:28] dynamic response. Was that was Yeah. So, and

[50:33] before we get into that detail, I just want to answer one question that I know

[50:37] we we all have had or I've heard is uh we're not at the stage where we could

[50:43] say what we're doing to make this an environmentally friendly building, but

[50:47] we will be and it will be an environmentally friendly building to the

[50:52] extent possible. uh meaning bird friendly windows uh meaning uh efficient

[50:58] uh utilities all the stuff that goes into making a building sustainable. So

[51:04] that will be a priority. It's just we're not there yet.

[51:09] So dynamic response, what do you like or dislike about it?

[51:16] » Anybody? Aine?

[51:19] » I actually like this one a lot. Um, I really like the fact that it has, um,

[51:27] some angularity to it. Um, it's contemporary. I see, you know, in the

[51:33] section that's behind the, um, Riverside logo that there's some, uh, you know,

[51:39] horizontal banding, which suggests to me that warm wood that you sometimes see in

[51:44] in contemporary glass like you were talking about. um kind of softening or

[51:50] harmonizing with materials um you know something that is of a

[51:56] different time period with its surrounding architecture. So, um, you

[52:01] know, this, uh, is very intriguing to me and, um, you know, I'm always I always

[52:08] kind of wonder a little bit about like the pitch of the roof or is it flat?

[52:12] Like, I can't exactly tell what's going on with it, um, and how that works with

[52:17] drainage and things like that, but I really think it's a um, very energetic

[52:24] and dynamic building. So, congrats on the initial concept. Um, I'm not sure

[52:30] about the Riverwalk. Um, you know, having that be straight

[52:37] as straight as it is. I mean, that's very very angular. Um, but in general, I

[52:43] think uh there's a lot of positive things to be said about this one.

[52:49] » I completely agree with you. >> All right. So, there you go. Um, when I

[52:56] look at all four of them, the this first one is the one that I

[53:00] actually had an emotional response to. I actually felt like architecture is such

[53:06] a big deal in Riverside and we have so many different architectural styles

[53:11] incorporated and

[53:15] this to me is a visually interesting building that doesn't try and blend in.

[53:20] It doesn't it's in it in itself It is interesting.

[53:26] I also feel like um I worked on a college campus for over a decade and

[53:32] obviously there were always we were always building and every time we tried

[53:36] to build something that looked a lot like something else, it was never

[53:40] received well because it never looked enough like it and it never it was

[53:46] trying to be something else. And one of the things I really like about this is

[53:52] it's not trying to be like the building that's directly next to it, which is

[53:57] something that is awesome in Riverside that you can have two houses. You can

[54:00] have a Victorian right next to a Franklidd Wright, right next to a

[54:04] bungalow. And so I really liked the way that the lines kind of called to

[54:12] the building next to it and were cohesive with it, but it was its own

[54:17] building. it was its own design. Um, that was really, like I said, this is

[54:23] the only one I actually had a response to. The rest of them I was like, well,

[54:26] these are fine. Um, the other thing I love about this one is I love all the

[54:31] glass and I feel like if you are inside this building, you're going to get a ton

[54:36] of natural light and feel much more like you're in nature. Um, way more so than,

[54:42] you know, it was we were talking with the last scheme where the openings were

[54:47] smaller and stuff. I really felt like this would feel much more connected to

[54:51] the river and the forest that's around it more so than some of the other

[54:56] designs.

[55:00] » Any other comments on this? >> I have a question. So, it looks like the

[55:05] the the roof on scheme one it's pitched. Is it does it go like this or is it

[55:12] straight across the top? >> I mean it it will have a pitch to drink

[55:15] water. >> There are number of way that we handle

[55:18] that. Um and and even with the p pitched roof beyond that fascia element that is

[55:24] the large horizontal band, you know, would stay flat.

[55:28] » So um it may be a little bit of optical illusion with the way that it bends

[55:32] around the turret. It does kind of look as though it's peeking up, but the

[55:37] intent is that it be a really strong horizontal band of facial all the way

[55:41] around the building. And that movement is more in plan view.

[55:50] Uh, I'm happy to provide my my thoughts. Um, initially this wasn't my favorite,

[55:57] although I liked it. I still like it. Uh, Trusty Marsha and Trusty Cost may

[56:03] convince me that it's the favorite. But what I do like about it a lot is all the

[56:10] glass on the front side. Mhm. >> I mean, I think that is

[56:15] it's symbolic of transparency. Uh, it connects it to the exterior.

[56:22] Um, I I really like that part of it. I like the horizontal lines. I like the uh

[56:30] small thing, but I really like the sign freeze above the garage doors, the

[56:35] opportunity to have that branding there, that Riverside Public Safety Center. Um,

[56:41] I realize you could do that in other ways on other elevations, but on this

[56:45] one it's got a nice perfect It's like it's designed to have that. It would

[56:49] look empty without the sign on it. Um what I am hesitant about with it is

[56:57] the blank wall that we're looking at right now where the uh uh you know on

[57:02] the left side of the the the bays and then on the back side.

[57:10] Um yes I like that. Okay. Initially I thought there was too much blank walls

[57:16] but maybe maybe not. Maybe not. >> Sorry.

[57:20] um or that from that perspective it made me feel like there were too many blank

[57:24] walls. Um but

[57:30] those were my thoughts. Does anyone else want to weigh in?

[57:35] We'll go on to the Go ahead. >> Um I like all of them. I think we all do

[57:42] great work on it and I like how the facade is broken up. For me, this design

[57:47] doesn't break it up enough. And I know that's intentional to take that straight

[57:51] line all the way across the main part of the building.

[57:55] Just my personal preference. I don't care for that.

[58:02] » Uh I would just like to say your emphasis on the windows in the back just

[58:06] because that's the that's overlooking the river which is our most important.

[58:13] say that one of the comments on this scheme in particular that

[58:16] » Can you go to the podium please? >> Sorry just one of the comments on this

[58:21] scheme from the group about the glass from the riverside was a concern for

[58:25] vandalism. They do get a there are as we were having this discussion walking

[58:29] through broken windows facing the river. And so from a practical standpoint, we

[58:35] wanted to again show a variety of options um if more glazing for views and

[58:40] and that's why in this scheme we did really try to focus in on where are

[58:43] people um occupying the space for long periods of time and having views from

[58:48] the living spaces, the apparatus bay at the lower level that's more prone to

[58:52] damage from both inside and out. Um and then focusing the glass more on the

[58:58] community space where it will have the views. But um as mentioned uh any of

[59:04] these comments about where you do or don't want more glass, you know, we can

[59:08] translate those comments easily to any of the schemes.

[59:12] » Are they designed as all windows or is it just a sort of a strip of windows?

[59:17] » I mean typically when we have a large expansive glass like this, it will

[59:21] either be a curtain wall system or a storefront system. So it's not all

[59:25] operable if that's what So we would design certain amount of actual

[59:29] ventilation open windows that can open within that system, but it would not all

[59:34] be operable if that's >> You mean open and close?

[59:38] » Yes. Sorry. >> No, I wasn't really thinking about that.

[59:40] I just wanted to know how big the windows are. It looks like there's only

[59:44] a strip of windows, not the whole space, the whole area of the squares.

[59:48] » I see. I think you're seeing the ceiling going through and so that looks solid.

[59:53] Yes. Yeah, I see what you're saying now. >> So, uh that is ceiling beyond.

[59:59] » I see it. And then actually in this space, if you're in the this is the

[1:00:04] dining room, um there are glass there are windows um looking over the

[1:00:10] apparatus bay on the other side. So, and there's also windows lower looking from

[1:00:14] that space into the apparatus bay. So, I think you're actually seeing I'm going

[1:00:19] to go the other way. Nope, wrong way.

[1:00:25] These windows showing through >> from the back view is what is kind of

[1:00:30] throwing off that view of the glass. Thank you for

[1:00:35] pointing that out.

[1:00:39] » Also, I just want to mention where you see the most windows are the public

[1:00:44] spaces because that was staff's focus as we met with Williams.

[1:00:49] Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to have windows. I don't I mean, it'd be cool to

[1:00:55] have textual design, textual architecture design in the bottom part

[1:01:00] where the bay is, but it doesn't make sense to have windows there because

[1:01:04] that's where all the trucks are and stuff like that. You know, like you

[1:01:08] said, they can get damaged that that's not a great spot for I mean, as much as

[1:01:13] I would love it, there's not a lot to see and there's not a lot of people

[1:01:16] looking even from inside. There aren't people looking outside.

[1:01:21] » Yeah, it it may be that the selection of exterior materials will

[1:01:26] » impact this view a lot. >> Yeah.

[1:01:31] » As well as the landscape and ramp design, you know, other things that we

[1:01:35] use to fill it to fill in that lower space. Um there's opportunities both for

[1:01:40] landscaping and material change to make sure that's not a large blank facade.

[1:01:46] Any other comments on this one?

[1:01:52] » So, let's uh talk about number two, contextual.

[1:01:59] » Sorry, they're really small on my screen.

[1:02:04] So, I'm seeing a lot of the same shapes roughly.

[1:02:07] » There you go. >> That's where we go.

[1:02:19] There we go. Contextual

[1:02:24] » justice.

[1:02:27] » This is my favorite one. Again, I like how it's broken up. I like this there's

[1:02:32] a lot of vertical lines to it. And of course, the windows.

[1:02:42] I like this one less because I liked the horizontality of the other one and I

[1:02:47] feel like the columns here are distracting in a way um that they're

[1:02:53] just >> they're kind of like

[1:02:57] added just so we could have columns and I

[1:03:01] don't it doesn't speak to the it doesn't really speak to function for me. So,

[1:03:10] » I have a question about the the entry, the main entry. Is it a triangle in

[1:03:17] between the two buildings? Is it smaller?

[1:03:21] What is the shape of the lobby? >> Where the truck is. Are you talking

[1:03:26] about? Yeah. >> Oh, okay.

[1:03:29] » So, just as a reminder, I'll opine and then Williams can fill in the gaps. So,

[1:03:34] we're going to be taking down where basically the fire trucks are, right?

[1:03:40] Because that was an old addition. Um, all the fire equipment and then you have

[1:03:45] offices currently on the outside of that. So, all of that would be removed.

[1:03:50] So, what you're seeing in creating that connection are is the connection to the

[1:03:56] historic building which occupies where uh our front desk is. Um it also has uh

[1:04:05] different areas as it relates to police uh other like copier equipment, those

[1:04:10] types of things. And so it's kind of mirroring the existing building,

[1:04:14] creating that lobby connection to then the the new building. So it would be

[1:04:20] somewhat triangular, but it it'll be open as it's kind of illustrated there.

[1:04:25] Does that make sense? Okay.

[1:04:37] What I liked about this one was the the roof line, the cornice line.

[1:04:44] Um,

[1:04:48] you know, puts a definitive

[1:04:52] end on the height of the building. Um, which probably, you know, gives it a

[1:04:58] little bit better relationship to the to the town hall building.

[1:05:04] Um, the uh turrets or the columns, if you'll

[1:05:10] go back to that,

[1:05:14] that corner piece on the left has windows. It has it has a cap. It's like

[1:05:19] a traditional Roman column or whatever. I think it'd be an ionic column.

[1:05:26] Um, or Doric.

[1:05:29] » Doric is the one with the swirls at the top.

[1:05:31] » Ionic. Ionic has the it has the curls. Corinthian has the

[1:05:36] » leaves. Right. >> So, it's Doric. Ionic.

[1:05:40] » Corinthian. >> Doric. The simplest.

[1:05:44] » Please tell me you got that on tape. Please tell me some of you that was all

[1:05:53] » my work is done. >> Um

[1:05:59] I I like the backside of this one. Um but quite honestly equally I I like

[1:06:05] that it's cost less. Um,

[1:06:11] I mean that's not a deal. That's, you know, it's doesn't cost enough less

[1:06:16] to where if I, you know, didn't like it, I'd do it. But, um, but that's a plus in

[1:06:23] its column.

[1:06:28] » I I mean, I I I like this one. I feel like it's But I feel like it's fine.

[1:06:34] » It's not as exciting. >> That's how I feel. It's fine.

[1:06:38] » It's not as risky, not as exciting. >> Yeah. And I feel like we're such an

[1:06:44] architectural village, right? It's architecture is so important to so many

[1:06:48] people in this village that having something that's just kind of

[1:06:52] » fine or like, you know, I'm I'm not I don't want to offend

[1:06:58] anybody. I'm really sorry, but like it looks like a lovely strip mall or like a

[1:07:03] I mean like a really lovely one. Not like your gross corn, you know, but like

[1:07:07] it looks it's like a lovely strip mall kind of thing and I don't feel like it

[1:07:12] has the like wow. >> Yeah.

[1:07:17] Okay. >> Any other comments on this one?

[1:07:22] » I agree with Trustee Cos. We are never like this. This is awesome.

[1:07:30] Well, let's uh move on to number three. Spatial framing

[1:07:38] » to me. This one's similar to the first one. Not the same, but has a lot of

[1:07:42] similarities.

[1:07:46] » The lines are a little bit more broken up.

[1:07:54] » Any other comments on this one or You said that it was um a craftsman

[1:08:02] style. >> That was the windows

[1:08:05] » two more.

[1:08:09] » I'm sorry. Two and four. >> Oh, okay.

[1:08:11] » Two and four. >> This is a little more modern in the

[1:08:16] same. >> Can you go to the microphone, please?

[1:08:18] » I can't pick it up for our audio if it's not on the mic. I apologize. I

[1:08:22] apologize. Um, anyone can answer these questions

[1:08:25] for our team, but um, yeah, this one has a little bit more of a modern references

[1:08:30] in the framing lines, whereas op scheme um, two and four did have some what we

[1:08:36] would consider more traditional Craftsman detailing with um, the deep

[1:08:41] overhangs and the um, the detailing of kind of the outriggers supporting that

[1:08:46] roof line. But, you know, that can be accentuated

[1:08:51] or or not in terms of the detailing of the building. So,

[1:08:57] this one seems just too modern. I don't know if it would look

[1:09:04] as nice next to the township building. Looks very modern to me.

[1:09:15] » A little too busy and distracting. >> Yeah.

[1:09:21] I wasn't too I wasn't didn't didn't really like the uh if you'll go to that

[1:09:27] the backside perspective. >> Yeah. Well, no, not that one. What the

[1:09:33] the swinging bridge side?

[1:09:38] » This one. >> That's good. That's good.

[1:09:42] the the framing of the columns on the edges at the corners and the framing of

[1:09:47] the window bays seemed to me to be not natural.

[1:09:54] Something like that. Not organic.

[1:09:58] » Interesting. >> Um,

[1:10:01] so speak for myself, either one or two I'd

[1:10:08] prefer over this one. Does anybody feel any differently from

[1:10:12] that?

[1:10:16] » Good. We can move on to number four.

[1:10:26] » Traditional anchoring. This is the most expensive one, right?

[1:10:32] » And that's I'm guessing because of the roof almost entirely, if not entirely,

[1:10:38] » which I did like the roof. this one.

[1:10:45] » Others comments. >> Uh, this is my least favorite one. Uh,

[1:10:52] again, I'm sorry, Alex, but I don't love the roof. Um, I also don't love that the

[1:10:57] windows are are smaller and choppier. I like seeing the expanse of windows.

[1:11:03] I think it's Yeah, I I I just think it's more

[1:11:08] interesting. with the expansive windows. And I I

[1:11:13] don't know. Yeah. Again, I worry what I worry about

[1:11:16] with this one is that it's gonna look like that. We tried really hard to make

[1:11:22] it sort of look like the building that's next to it, but it doesn't really look

[1:11:26] like the building that's next to it. And that people are going to be like, "We

[1:11:29] tried, but we didn't." And it's going to look not right.

[1:11:35] Not that you wouldn't do a fantastic job on it, but

[1:11:40] » but you're you're absolutely correct, trusty cause, and you've commented

[1:11:44] before. I think historic preservation preservationists would say the same

[1:11:50] thing. Don't try to look just like the other building.

[1:11:55] Be respectful of the other building, but don't try to copy it.

[1:12:01] » Exactly. That's a fine line. I know. But

[1:12:05] » no, no, no. You're right. Because I can understand if if you did have the same

[1:12:08] shingles on both buildings, then you are trying to mimic it. After two different

[1:12:12] ones, it still wouldn't compliment it quite well. At number one, it does have

[1:12:17] a very nice complimentary horizontal line.

[1:12:21] It does pay some homage to it as well. So, um, while I was impressed with this

[1:12:26] one, it's not my favorite. I would think number one, probably the best one.

[1:12:33] So, given what I'm hearing, does this rise above one or two for anybody?

[1:12:40] » Good. But we're down to two. Um, and I would suggest

[1:12:47] that uh we send those two to to our preservation commission

[1:12:53] saying here's what we like and ask for their feedback.

[1:13:00] Emily, can you put the four up again? >> Yeah.

[1:13:03] » Thank you. >> Yeah, this is four.

[1:13:06] » No, four. >> All four. Sorry.

[1:13:10] » Page 175.

[1:13:22] » I think that's a good suggestion. So that's the plan based on the board's

[1:13:27] discussion is the next step is the April 9th preservation meeting that we would

[1:13:33] solicit additional feedback

[1:13:39] » and want to send one and two to them. Is that what we're doing?

[1:13:42] » Mhm. >> What's that?

[1:13:43] » We're going to send schemes one and two. >> Yes.

[1:13:45] » Okay. Well, I mean they can look at all four

[1:13:48] of them because this is on our website, but

[1:13:51] » yeah, >> the direction would be the village board

[1:13:54] is asking for their response to one or two. If

[1:13:59] they like if they have comments about three or four, I wouldn't stop them from

[1:14:03] commenting, but >> you know,

[1:14:06] » free speech and all. >> Yeah.

[1:14:10] So, let's uh let's next go to the cost reduction page.

[1:14:16] Wait, could we just say one more thing about scheme one?

[1:14:20] » Yeah. >> So, I think your feedback was that the

[1:14:23] the side the east facing side was too plain.

[1:14:29] » Well, it's more that that blank column that faces the street.

[1:14:36] » Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's the doors just that one

[1:14:39] column. And maybe it maybe it makes sense and

[1:14:42] maybe again it's with the right materials it's fine.

[1:14:47] » Um >> or open to suggestions on that one.

[1:14:51] » Yeah. >> Or

[1:14:52] » could you just maybe do something to it?

[1:14:57] » It's a stair. >> So

[1:14:59] » stairway. Yeah. >> Which you I mean like Kristen said you

[1:15:02] could do architectural elements. You you know there's you could do I was kind of

[1:15:07] thinking in the blank spaces they wouldn't necess In all of these games,

[1:15:11] they wouldn't necessarily be blank. They would they're just blank slates. I don't

[1:15:16] know. Maybe I'm >> be a contrasting panel of some kind.

[1:15:20] Right. >> Well, and I also just wanted to remind

[1:15:22] everybody as well like some of the elements could be interchange. So, one

[1:15:26] thing that came to my mind there was signage potentially like we showed

[1:15:29] there's that area adjacent to the entry which kind of makes sense for a good

[1:15:33] signage location, but there's all like that could be an opportunity for for

[1:15:37] signage. Um, but absolutely like there's still opportunity to articulate it with

[1:15:41] windows. I recall in this scheme, I think the way that that stair gets its

[1:15:45] light is that we had like a narrow slit window on the side that's not really

[1:15:50] visible, but as some of the other examples showed, that's a great

[1:15:53] opportunity to do like a linear slit window that would let light into the

[1:15:57] stairs. So, yeah, there's definitely ways that that could be further

[1:16:00] developed. >> Cool.

[1:16:05] Okay. >> Anything else on the elevations?

[1:16:09] » Let's uh go to that cost reduction page.

[1:16:21] » Go Emily. Go. Go Emily. Go. You can do it.

[1:16:28] » I'm glad she was doing that. I would be panicking.

[1:16:32] would be like I can't find. >> We also have broken out slides for the

[1:16:36] cost estimates too that kind of depict more if you need more visual.

[1:16:41] » So there there was another page though that had the list

[1:16:45] of that. >> Yeah.

[1:16:47] » Yeah. >> So let's go through that. Uh reduction

[1:16:53] in program spaces that just means making the building smaller, right?

[1:17:00] I don't think we want to do that. >> No.

[1:17:02] » No. >> I mean, yeah.

[1:17:05] Uh, build shell and core for future. Uh,

[1:17:10] » no. >> That just means spending money later

[1:17:13] than rather than >> more expensive.

[1:17:15] » And if we're going to referendum, you know, I feel like we should be

[1:17:21] honest and say this is what it costs and >> yeah,

[1:17:23] » just how much money we need. Um, we talked about the west driveway

[1:17:31] and I think we agreed that we would eliminate that.

[1:17:37] » Uh, we talked a lot about windows and if anything we wanted more windows

[1:17:43] so that one's out. And then yeah, exterior materials that's for a future

[1:17:48] discussion. Correct. We can decide what you at some point we'll see what the

[1:17:53] different materials cost and what the savings are

[1:17:56] » uh in that >> the elimination of ornamental stair I'm

[1:18:01] guessing trustees don't have an opinion until you see the difference between

[1:18:06] » the ornamental and non-orthnamental right

[1:18:09] » and how much we save or don't save >> so that is that the difference more or

[1:18:13] less >> this more of an open stair I can let

[1:18:17] » Yeah. So, um, ornamental and open stairs we kind of use interchangeably. So,

[1:18:23] these are some more contemporary examples, especially if you're, um,

[1:18:27] tending in the direction of our schemes one or two. Um, this kind of expression

[1:18:32] where the stairs and railings are a little little bit more contemporary,

[1:18:37] open to the rest of the space. Um whereas if you um um if we're looking at

[1:18:42] a clo an enclosed stair or what we would normally consider an egress stair, yes,

[1:18:48] we can do some glass. Um so there there is um a measure of transparency, but um

[1:18:54] just not as nice, you know, um more of what we would think of um as an enclosed

[1:18:59] exit stair like you have right at the front um of the building here. So there

[1:19:04] is obviously a cost difference um between those two. Um but um it it's one

[1:19:11] way among many to um save a few dollars if you're so inclined.

[1:19:17] » I can only speak for myself. I'm not so inclined.

[1:19:20] » Yeah, I'm not either. >> Yeah, those that first two pictures is

[1:19:26] beautiful. That's you know that's our public space,

[1:19:29] » right? If >> you'll go back to the previous one.

[1:19:32] Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:19:41] » No, the other stair one. >> Oh,

[1:19:45] » that's the enclosed. >> The other stair.

[1:19:48] » Pretty one. >> Pretty one.

[1:19:51] » Yeah. No, that's >> that's nice.

[1:19:53] » That one on the left. That's what I want our

[1:19:56] primary village space to look like. >> Yeah.

[1:20:00] Gate uh the Gateley Park Fieldhouse in um on the far south side of Chicago if

[1:20:05] anybody's interested one of our projects.

[1:20:09] » Well done. >> Yes.

[1:20:11] » What is in the space underneath the uh staircase?

[1:20:15] » Great great question. Um so um whenever we have a stair um where you have open

[1:20:22] space underneath um we can't essentially we can't let somebody underneath it

[1:20:27] until the head room is at least 6'8. So we need a way to block off those lower

[1:20:33] areas >> um so we're not bumping our heads up

[1:20:36] against something. And in this particular project, they just decided to

[1:20:40] enclose that with a little bit of a um a low wall that people could sit on as

[1:20:44] they're in the lobby. Depending on how we would articulate the

[1:20:48] stair, um we may not end up having that condition at all where we'd have to

[1:20:52] close close that off. >> We just had a moment. I just saw a um an

[1:20:59] open staircase with an enclosure like that that had seating on the outside,

[1:21:03] but it had a lyken garden. on the inside of it which is like extremely

[1:21:09] lowmaintenance and it was installed in this really artistic pattern and I can

[1:21:14] show you photos and it was cool and that would be a really neat um

[1:21:20] » absolutely >> I feel like that doesn't fall into the

[1:21:22] cost savings you know but you know you and I yeah I think it's right there

[1:21:29] » be an LC project >> once in a while

[1:21:32] » love it sustainability >> there y So there was one more item on

[1:21:37] that list of co potential cost reductions I think.

[1:21:41] » Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not interested in open office space layouts

[1:21:47] » and I you know that was a trend for a long time and I'm sure you guys can can

[1:21:53] can have have an opinion on that. From everything I've read open office space

[1:21:59] makes people less productive. I I've read articles to that. I

[1:22:05] Yeah, because of the distractions, I guess. But

[1:22:08] » well, and I think we're building this for public safety and for I mean,

[1:22:13] » primarily we want this to be >> people make sure

[1:22:16] » Yeah, we want to be nice. Yeah, that's that's the those are the spaces that I

[1:22:21] least want to >> No one wants a cube

[1:22:23] » cut, right? >> We don't want cubes.

[1:22:26] » Yeah, cubes are no fun for anyone. Okay,

[1:22:32] » I have intentionally been quiet for the time being. I'm not pretending I am a

[1:22:38] design expert on anything. Uh Chris can attest to this though I've been through

[1:22:42] this before um with with a project similar actually bigger in size uh with

[1:22:49] with the public safety thing. And uh I just want to say first off from my

[1:22:54] perspective uh the site design was the most important thing operationally uh

[1:23:00] administratively it was staff driven in regards to the layouts of everything. So

[1:23:04] I think that's the most important thing as long as the designs whether it's one

[1:23:08] through four at any point does not um interfere with any of the operations or

[1:23:15] with the public engagement. I think I'm fine with that. If you had to ask me for

[1:23:20] any type of um design element, I would say make the walkways curvy.

[1:23:26] » That's >> meandering. We like to call it

[1:23:27] meandering. >> Meandering. Um

[1:23:29] » please. >> I think you guys you did a great job.

[1:23:32] » Yeah. >> With with with the layout um for the

[1:23:34] site because I'm more operational on it. Um and I would defer to the board and

[1:23:38] preservation for for their direction as well.

[1:23:43] » Thank you. Anything else? >> Very good. Thank you. Well,

[1:23:49] » thank you all for such um thoughtful commentary, honest commentary. Um it's

[1:23:55] important for us to hear what you like and what you don't like because that

[1:23:59] helps us get to the best possible solution. Um I also want to thank um our

[1:24:04] entire team in addition to um our um Riverside resident Joe and Kim. There's

[1:24:10] another team of folks behind this effort um at at our office that has really um

[1:24:15] poured their heart and soul into this. This is a really exciting project for us

[1:24:19] to be a part of and we're really looking forward to next steps. So, thank you

[1:24:23] very much. >> Thank you.

[1:24:24] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:24:25] » We're we're gonna talk about a potential referendum now. So, you might want to

[1:24:29] stick around and listen to this. >> How we pay for it

[1:24:32] » because that sounds super fun, right? >> So, yes. Next on the agenda is

[1:24:38] discussion of regarding public safety facility referendum.

[1:24:46] Manager Francis, >> thank you. Um, so as we embarked on this

[1:24:50] journey back in November of 2024, it was discussed that to bring this facility to

[1:24:57] fruition, we would have to do a referendum. We just didn't have the

[1:25:01] capacity to look at alternative ways, no matter how creative we are as a team.

[1:25:06] You know, that that's a heavy lift. And so, um, as part of the discussion, we

[1:25:13] did reach out to Spear Financial, who is the village's financial advisor, who

[1:25:18] we've worked with in the past to issue debt. Um, and so they provided us some

[1:25:24] scenarios relative to how much debt the village

[1:25:29] could issue. Now, debt is dictated on the village's equalized assessed value,

[1:25:34] and you'll see up there. So, um, tells you what the formula is for our limited

[1:25:40] for our tax our debt limitation. Um, currently our general obligation bonds

[1:25:47] is 1.9 million. That's our limited tax debt that we issued a couple of years

[1:25:51] ago. And so, you deduct that and say how much is left for you to issue as debt.

[1:25:57] Now, as our equalized assessed value continues to grow, so example, once the

[1:26:02] PUD is built, that will go up. Um typically every year your equalized

[1:26:09] assessed value as a village continues to increase based on improvements and

[1:26:12] reinvestment in the community. Um so that number that 34.9 million won't

[1:26:19] remain static presumably you know if staff and the village is doing

[1:26:24] everything right that number will continue to go up in future years. So

[1:26:29] with that being said, we asked Spear to provide us some examples. Um, and this

[1:26:36] was be obviously when we had some ranges and Harbors provided a little bit more

[1:26:42] concrete numbers. So we did a max of an issuance amount of 28 million it over 20

[1:26:49] years. That's the maximum time frame in which we can do. And then it would show

[1:26:53] the financial impact on typical ho households based on the market value of

[1:26:59] the home. And so it's broken out on annual cost versus monthly costs. Um

[1:27:05] obviously if we were to increase that we would to 29 million you would see an

[1:27:11] incremental increase. Um and we will certainly get that for the board. We

[1:27:15] weren't sure what was going to be cut or how this discussion was going to where

[1:27:20] it was going to go as it relates to size and other eliminations, but we do have

[1:27:25] the capacity to increase that issuance amount. Um, now all of these are based

[1:27:32] on certain percentages, 4% interest. We're double A+ bond rated community, so

[1:27:39] we're not quite at that triple AAA bonding. Um but so we're receiving a

[1:27:46] much lower rate than other communities that don't have sound financial

[1:27:50] practices, procedures, policies, etc. So we benefit in that respect. And so there

[1:27:56] are times even when you go for an issuance amount. Let's say we went for

[1:27:59] 28 million, but then there's I don't want to get too far in the weeds, but we

[1:28:04] get a really good interest rate and it's less and we get a good discount rate. It

[1:28:08] could actually be more than 28 million that's issued to us.

[1:28:13] Um, and so that's where those numbers look like for that. And so part of the

[1:28:21] initial discussion is do you you don't want to ex you don't want to come up

[1:28:27] against the maximum amount of your debt limit, right? Because there could be a

[1:28:32] need to issue debt to do an additional referendum in the future. And so you

[1:28:37] always want to keep that that buffer, right?

[1:28:40] you are also paying off debt year after year too as it relates to you know when

[1:28:47] I like to manifest when the referendum is approved by our residents um that

[1:28:52] number would slowly go down and our debt capacity would continue to to increase.

[1:28:57] Um that isn't to say that we want to utilize all that debt capacity.

[1:29:01] Obviously we are very much below um even the halfway point of our debt capacity.

[1:29:07] We're actually less than 1% of our maximum capacity. So, um I'm sorry, less

[1:29:14] than 10%. So, all those being equal, you'll see

[1:29:20] kind of the different breakdown of that. Are there any questions relative to

[1:29:25] that? >> If somebody is at home watching this and

[1:29:30] can't really read that type, do you want to give some examples?

[1:29:33] » Sure. No potential examples. So for the $28 million issuance, I would say on

[1:29:39] average a typical household in Riverside is valued at $500,000.

[1:29:45] And so you would look at an annual cost increase of $720.32

[1:29:51] and what that looks like monthly is $60.3

[1:29:55] per month. >> Thank you.

[1:29:57] » You're welcome. Thank you. And once again, that's subject to

[1:30:03] somewhat change. Another example is if our EAV continues to increase, then that

[1:30:11] impact per household then gets redistributed too. Similar with with

[1:30:15] property tax. Um, if we have new developments,

[1:30:20] the spread of that property tax burden gets redistributed.

[1:30:24] » And so that in impact could be slightly different. I don't want to say it would

[1:30:28] be substantially different but uh just to provide a little bit of context.

[1:30:35] » Very good. And >> so we will uh we don't have to uh file

[1:30:41] the referendum question till late in the year. Right.

[1:30:44] » Correct. So we we'll start the process later this year and interally.

[1:30:50] » And from my understanding the referendum question can be a little bit more direct

[1:30:54] than the last one. Oh yes, 100%. >> I could basically just say, you know, do

[1:31:01] you approve of the village borrowing this amount of money for a public safety

[1:31:05] facility more or less >> and to equip the public safety

[1:31:09] » to equip Yeah. Yeah. So >> So which election? The presidential

[1:31:13] election? >> No, it would be

[1:31:15] » uh April of 2027. >> Consolidated.

[1:31:19] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[1:31:20] » Yeah. So, I know the trustees know this, but

[1:31:25] I'm and I've said this to you before, but I'm going to say it again and again

[1:31:30] and again and again. Um, this is the most important thing any of

[1:31:35] us will do as an elected official in this village.

[1:31:39] Um, our number one obligation is public

[1:31:44] safety and to maintain that the the great level

[1:31:50] of public safety this village has always had, our first responders need

[1:31:56] facilities that are appropriate and support a top-notch

[1:32:03] police and fire public safety uh department. So, uh, it is incumbent upon

[1:32:09] all of us to do everything we can to educate the public about this.

[1:32:15] Um, and we'll be working on educational information and strategies.

[1:32:22] Um, and that will come soon. Uh, but I would say it's not too early to start

[1:32:28] talking to your neighbors, make people aware of this.

[1:32:32] Um because I strongly believe that if people

[1:32:37] understand the need for this, it will be approved. Uh

[1:32:41] » I agree. >> Riverside residents

[1:32:44] value our police and fire departments uh and they know that uh they have to

[1:32:52] they have to support them financially.

[1:32:58] » With that, any other questions, comments? M manager Francis, did you

[1:33:02] have some additional comments? >> Um, so with regard to community

[1:33:06] engagement, Williams Architects also has built in um some future community

[1:33:12] engagements. Um, one being creating an open house to solicit feedback on the

[1:33:18] different design, see what additional feedback residents have, bring that back

[1:33:23] to the village board. Um, and then they would also do a second round of

[1:33:27] community engagement. Right now, we have tentatively in our schedule July of

[1:33:32] 2026, but that could be subject to change because obviously going from that

[1:33:37] second engagement period to April of the following year for the election, I don't

[1:33:42] know that if we want that long of a time span to occur with not that the board

[1:33:49] and staff wouldn't push out additional education and answer questions and do

[1:33:53] open houses, but that may be something that we would look to the board to have

[1:33:57] further discussion. and and work with Williams to maybe change that timeline

[1:34:01] for that second engagement piece. Um, additionally, um, there there would be

[1:34:07] subsequent presentations to the village board. Once we have the community, the

[1:34:11] initial community engagement and the openhouse, feedback from preservation,

[1:34:15] modifications to the design, then Williams will be firming up their

[1:34:20] designs further to get closer to what some what this building will look like.

[1:34:26] Um so in the past I also wanted to make a note how we handled community

[1:34:32] engagement when we were having referendums right we've always had the

[1:34:35] discussion that we can educate we cannot advocate um as staff village resources

[1:34:41] cannot be put towards advocating a resident calls us and asks questions we

[1:34:45] can ask answer those questions if a resident calls and asks us how should I

[1:34:49] vote we can't answer that question um in the past what we have done is we've

[1:34:55] created postcards and redirected uh residents to a main landing page on the

[1:35:02] website. We've done engagement. Both village board members and staff have

[1:35:07] been present present at different community events, whether it's the

[1:35:11] farmers market or other events. We've created videos from Riverside TV to to

[1:35:18] outline the different items and issues, answer questions. Additionally, what um

[1:35:23] staff has put together and flagged as additional opportunities, uh Director

[1:35:29] Buckley and I have already spoken about doing public safety tours. Um

[1:35:34] Absolutely. >> So, Director Buckley would it would be

[1:35:38] sign up because we we would want him to be able to answer questions. So, it

[1:35:42] would be smaller groups, more uh tours, but being able to have that engagement,

[1:35:49] answer those questions. Um we would also um in speaking with other communities

[1:35:56] what they've done um when they have a large referendum is presenting to other

[1:36:00] taxing bodies. So staff or the a board member presenting just FAQs and

[1:36:09] information at a school district. So, district 96 at one of their meetings or

[1:36:14] district 208 or even going to the library at one of their meetings and

[1:36:19] presenting or township, right? Township covers a little bit more than Riverside,

[1:36:24] but it offers that additional opportunity for engagement. Um, and then

[1:36:31] finally, I think there have been some questions of whether or not to hire a

[1:36:35] consultant for um, further engagement. And um, I'm doing some additional

[1:36:41] research. Williams is going to provide us um, some consultants that they've

[1:36:45] worked with in the past. Um and then we would get some different proposals

[1:36:50] costing of those different services and what the village would be receiving and

[1:36:55] then making that evaluation of whether or not these services can be done

[1:37:00] in-house effectively or if we would need some support from an outside party.

[1:37:05] » I have a question. I'm pretty sure I know the answer to

[1:37:09] this, but I just want you to say it again out loud. So as village trustees I

[1:37:15] know that you cannot say anything about um not how to but like you can't give

[1:37:20] opinion what are the rules regarding what we can

[1:37:24] say and how we can interact with this referendum.

[1:37:28] » So you can certainly provide information and you are a private citizen so you can

[1:37:33] also say what your thoughts are relative to

[1:37:38] that. Staff cannot do that. Um and so I I will make sure that attorney pickrol

[1:37:44] provides additional guidelines for the board as we begin on this journey.

[1:37:50] » Okay, great. >> And just put it another way, we as

[1:37:55] trustees on our own time >> can advocate all we want

[1:37:59] » as private citizens, not as trustees. Yep.

[1:38:01] » Right. >> Because we're not spending village res

[1:38:04] the key is you can't spend village resources to advocate.

[1:38:08] » Yep. staff time or money for flyers that say

[1:38:13] vote no or vote yes. >> Sure,

[1:38:15] » those kinds of things. So, >> yeah,

[1:38:17] » I know it is a little outdated, but 12 years ago, wasn't there a video that was

[1:38:21] made of our facilities that were crumbling and deteriorating?

[1:38:24] » We do have those as well. >> Put that out for public education as

[1:38:27] well. I know it's a little outdated, but it's

[1:38:30] » we would and we would create new videos. So, in speaking to a couple of village

[1:38:34] managers that recently did referendums, um they did much shorter videos um that

[1:38:40] were less than like the target was 30 seconds or less essentially um and

[1:38:46] sharing that information. And I think also the engagement within the police

[1:38:51] department and the fire department and providing those tours um because a lot

[1:38:56] of these areas are they're they're not accessed by residents and so residents

[1:39:03] don't know what are behind these different doors. And so I think that can

[1:39:07] be also very eye opening. >> Okay. And I think we all know that Chief

[1:39:10] Buckley is not shy in front of a camera. So, I think we can get him to do some

[1:39:16] great videos for us.

[1:39:22] » You're welcome. >> Very good.

[1:39:24] » Anything else? >> The final item um within the packet, it

[1:39:29] talks about the business district. So, Ryan LLC

[1:39:34] um acquired Kain McKenna, who was the previous firm that created the business

[1:39:39] districts, the three business districts along Harlem Avenue. And so we did have

[1:39:43] the discussion previously about creating a business district overlay over the new

[1:39:49] facility um simply for the assessing the 1%

[1:39:55] business district tax and that money can then be used to be reinvested within the

[1:40:00] facility or anything within the boundaries of the facility or actually

[1:40:04] helping to pay off some of the debt that is issued. Um, in speaking with them,

[1:40:09] they had recommended that the first step would be to actually do an evaluation of

[1:40:15] the revenue that could be derived from a space of that size um to make sure that

[1:40:22] it it makes sense to make the larger investment. So, the cost of just doing

[1:40:27] that evaluation is 2500. And then if if it did make sense then creating the

[1:40:34] business district plan and doing the evaluation and conducting the process

[1:40:39] that would be 20,000. So

[1:40:43] » but right now do you want direction from the village to proceed with the $2,500

[1:40:48] to do the analysis? >> Yes.

[1:40:51] » I know that's in your spending authority but we should have direction from the

[1:40:54] board. I was just wondering if you could

[1:40:57] provide residents with some examples of sales tax generating opportunities and

[1:41:01] this is precisely going to do that. So I'm all for it.

[1:41:05] » Yes, please. >> So right now how the site plan is laid

[1:41:11] out there is the main space with the kitchen. So presumably any so we could

[1:41:17] contract with individuals to then assess the 1% business district tax on any

[1:41:23] catering services that are done out of that room. And then there's the other

[1:41:27] smaller space that I'll refer to as the cafe that was left open. um that then

[1:41:35] whatever pro services are provided out of there

[1:41:39] or products rather um so smoothies, coffee, whatever it may be then that 1%

[1:41:45] tax would be also assist there. Also, in addition, the business district tax, it

[1:41:50] would not just be that, but you'd also have the opportunity to, you know, any

[1:41:55] sales that are generated would be the 1% regular sales tax and then the 1% uh

[1:42:03] non-home roll sales tax. >> Yep.

[1:42:05] » So, non-home rule sales tax would go directly to streets, the 1%, and I take

[1:42:10] that back. Also, places for eating tax, which would be 1%.

[1:42:14] » Nice. Thank you. Anything else?

[1:42:19] » No, I just need direction on the >> Oh, yes. Please proceed.

[1:42:24] » Yes. >> Okay.

[1:42:26] » Trustees, any other comments, questions on referendum or public safety

[1:42:31] facilities. >> Just want to thank staff for all the

[1:42:35] work >> it's this is really big and very

[1:42:39] exciting, but it's done a lot of work and heavy lifting and appreciate it.

[1:42:44] » Thank you. >> Thank you. Awesome.

[1:42:47] » And thanks to previous boards too and presidents who have championed this

[1:42:54] endeavor as well. Uh so we do not have need for an

[1:42:59] executive session. I'd like to ask for a motion and a second to adjurnn.

[1:43:04] » So moved. >> Second.

[1:43:05] » All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? I know you there tonight.

Village of Riverside Board of Trustees Regular Meeting 03-19-26

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