[0:09] Good. Thank you. And and just for clarification, after this is done, does

[0:14] it go onto the doesn't go to the YouTube, does it?

[0:19] Goes on to where would where would >> we use it? You've been you've mainly

[0:22] been using these to transcribe for your minutes. So, did y'all take minutes at

[0:26] your last meeting in March? So I don't >> Yes.

[0:30] » I don't see it in SharePoint. >> Well, I sent them to

[0:33] » Who did you send them to? >> No. Rene Ronald, she has both sets in

[0:40] February and March.

[0:44] » But if somebody wanted to listen to the

[0:48] meeting, >> um,

[0:51] » this does not >> I don't think we have like a

[0:54] [clears throat] a YouTube channel. I don't think that's the limit. And I

[0:57] think y'all have a channel we can upload anything that's recorded.

[1:04] » Um, yeah, because I was just if people are interested, I'm glad people are

[1:09] interested and if they want access to what we talk about and we're not

[1:14] » whatever y'all want to do, just say and then

[1:18] » because I know it's too expensive to have Jeff do the YouTube. I understand.

[1:20] » Well, we're not we're not going to operate that for committees,

[1:23] » right? >> That that is expensive.

[1:26] But to have the recording, how do we get the recording then?

[1:29] » What's here? And then it just gets uploaded.

[1:33] » Uploaded where? >> To YouTube.

[1:36] » To your YouTube channel, I think is what you're asking.

[1:39] » Boom. I I guess who? Right now, it is on my device. So, I will be uploading it.

[1:45] If I'm not able to be here and y'all operate the get downloaded onto your

[1:49] device, you can just put it into SharePoint.

[1:51] » Okay. Okay. >> And then we'll get it up to YouTube.

[1:54] » And then the It would go to the town's YouTube.

[1:57] » Yeah. >> Well, the town's YouTube with y'all's

[2:00] channel. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[2:04] » All right. >> Sorry, I clicked an exit button.

[2:23] Yeah. No. Um, Ramada said January and February minutes have been added.

[2:27] February minutes were approved March 17th. Oh, March 17th.

[2:32] » No, because we have not approved them because

[2:36] » Right. Okay. Did you send them to her? >> The March [clears throat] the Marches

[2:41] amendments. I'll follow up with her to see what

[2:45] she's got. If you haven't

[2:48] » Well,

[2:51] let me see. >> Yeah, I haven't posted them yet because

[2:56] typically we post them once they've been approved.

[2:59] So,

[3:14] but

[3:17] those March 17th minutes will then

[3:24] draft form will go to SharePoint and then from SharePoint then we approve

[3:29] them And then they go on to the page pathways page. Okay, perfect.

[3:36] The system. Yep.

[3:51] [clears throat] Okay.

[4:07] Okay.

[4:18] » So, want to talk about Warrington Street?

[4:21] » Yeah. Give us an update. Did the letter go out?

[4:24] » Letter went out. Uh, everybody down there received it. We've had some

[4:27] feedback from a few of the land owners. Um, Mike and his department of public

[4:32] works has field in a few phone calls. Uh, and then Farley is starting

[4:40] this month, middle of this month to late this month.

[4:44] So, in the next few weeks, they should be starting. They're already dropping

[4:47] some stuff off down there for a landing for their project.

[4:54] And then Mike Mike uh Mike and I had a quick chat. He couldn't be here today.

[4:59] He's he's been running too hard, but he's uh estimating the painting that you

[5:06] all wanted to know would cost to be around 7 to 10,000. That's based on

[5:09] prior numbers. And then the stenciling, he's put a request out to get it to

[5:15] have an idea for that. And signage is its own separate thing that y'all are

[5:20] concerned with. Were the calls that came in um just general questions? Were they

[5:26] positive? Were they negative? >> I didn't feel any of them. Uh

[5:30] couple people called in concerned with the uh storm water and where that's

[5:36] going to be going. Concerned that's going to increase some damage on their

[5:40] end. So, we're looking at that.

[5:44] I noticed that the letter also had the word widening in there and I thought

[5:49] like that said it wasn't the road wasn't getting widened

[5:53] getting widened to my to my knowledge where this is from

[5:58] where the sidewalk currently is. It's not supposed to be any wider. They do

[6:02] have the right way. They can go wider but to my knowledge that's where they're

[6:06] staying. >> So they eat it into people's lawns is

[6:09] not >> what the project is going to entail. I

[6:11] don't know if it's part of the grading aspect of it. That's a question from

[6:16] like himself. I would

[6:19] » the sidewalk doesn't go all the way to the pump station,

[6:23] » but beyond that might be beyond the sidewalk might be somewhat

[6:27] » maybe. Um mean that they would be

[6:30] » Did y'all Did y'all read the design? >> Yeah. Did he mention it in it or did

[6:35] y'all read the uh >> we saw the the the drawing doesn't say

[6:40] this is getting widened? You know what I mean? It it gives a graphic but doesn't

[6:44] say, you know, widened by 3 ft or I just know if I were a homeowner down there,

[6:50] I' I would want to know if somebody's eating into where I planted daffodils or

[6:57] whatever.

[7:01] not to there. There's a tree that I love in my

[7:04] yard and it's not in Rockport and I don't want the town to cut it down, but

[7:07] they have every right to if they choose to because it's within me. That's just

[7:11] the thing that I have to deal with whenever that comes.

[7:14] » Yeah, I get that. I mean, we we had a major fight on Route One and Warren

[7:18] years ago and that, you know, all of that stuff,

[7:23] it all matters. >> So, does the pink represent

[7:37] Sure.

[7:45] Sometimes they do like a silhouette underneath of where the existing is.

[7:51] Sometimes they don't. Sewer line.

[7:55] » So where it says paved walk, that's the existing sidewalk.

[7:58] » That's the existing sidewalk. Yeah. >> And how far?

[8:02] » Well, I I believe so. This is the proposed

[8:06] » Yeah. Can we go up beyond

[8:12] this?

[8:29] I don't I don't have that on here. [clears throat and cough] Do you want to

[8:33] go down this way?

[8:44] And that's the big project area right there.

[8:47] » The whole thing's a big project area. >> The drainage right there. That's

[8:52] » Well, this dotted line. >> Yeah.

[8:55] » Is the drainage plan all the way up

[9:01] to here. >> Yeah.

[9:04] So then that that is going to I mean whether they regrade or not they do have

[9:08] to dig up into people's

[9:14] » in the down right of way. Yes, >> I understand. But

[9:24] oh [clears throat] this is saying sorry. >> So we don't know if people down there

[9:30] have concerns or not but >> [clears throat]

[9:33] » You guys have the town has received several phone calls.

[9:36] » Yes. Uh there have been a couple in in this vicinity where the storm drainage

[9:41] area is >> that have called with concerns of wash

[9:45] out. So they are looking at that area a little better. So [clears throat] to

[9:50] kind of drive the point home with like the complete streets policy and like

[9:53] future projects like hopefully we'll be at the front end of this like hey we're

[9:57] going to be coming in the area. We need to know all the concerns we're going to

[9:59] look at long laundry list of stuff. >> [clears throat]

[10:03] » I can guarantee you until we have something on paper and drawing, no one's

[10:07] good. So there's an issue. So we'll try to, you know, move that project forward

[10:13] a little bit with future projects. [clears throat and cough]

[10:18] » You have any help if I read out something from the Carly Dorski

[10:24] contract thing that's put out there. >> Yeah.

[10:28] » Manual. >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[10:30] » Go for it. Um, this includes

[10:35] not limited to replacement of existing storm drains and catch basins, drainage

[10:40] improvements, removal of the sidewalk, installation of back curb, grading

[10:45] lawns, driveway and walkways as needed, and repaving the disturbed areas and

[10:50] driveway aprons in addition to all other project specifics.

[10:55] box uh base shoulder construction all components associated with widening the

[11:01] shoulder from approximately station 615 to so that's the length but this work

[11:08] includes box cutting the existing shoulder and lawn area relocation of

[11:14] mailboxes for USPS requirements and adjusting the grades of lawn areas

[11:20] walkways and driveways to accommodate the shoulder widening and applying fog

[11:24] lines as needed and specific plans in addition project specific.

[11:30] That's as far as that. >> Yeah,

[11:33] » at least >> that didn't include any of the complete

[11:36] streets kind of pieces, but that's coming from the department of the

[11:39] rescue. >> No, that was a part of the bid process.

[11:46] » That was that was that was all started before we kind of got where we needed to

[11:51] be with the policy. So again, we're coming into this project way late, but

[11:57] we're applying it to the best we can just to kind of understand a little

[12:01] better. >> I am curious to know if anybody's

[12:03] opposed to removing the sidewalk is opposed to it removing the sidewalk.

[12:10] » There's a budget committee meeting. >> Somebody

[12:15] like why why tear it up all that? But then it was explained the needs drainage

[12:20] and all that stuff and like >> Oh, with my Yeah.

[12:25] » Well, the sidewalk so deteriorated. >> Yeah.

[12:28] » It's also sidewalk to nowhere. >> Yeah.

[12:32] » Yeah. >> Do Do you live on street?

[12:34] » Yes, I do.

[12:38] » What's that? Do you want to come to the table and talk about it or

[12:44] » excuse Michael and just introduce yourself for the My

[12:50] name is Ethan Jones 39 and I'm very concerned about this

[12:55] project many

[13:02] » our focus is on the sidewalk parts of the path.

[13:05] » Okay. Yeah, that's an art. That's the only thing we have any Well, okay. We

[13:10] don't do anything. We just recommend. >> All right.

[13:13] So, with respect to what you mentioned, sidewalk,

[13:17] um, well, the back trace once I heard about the project or actually read about

[13:23] it, I began inquiring. That's been very difficult to ascertain

[13:28] information. And the sidewalk has been referred to as a sidewalk repair.

[13:35] That's not accurate. There is the sidewalk is going to be destroyed.

[13:40] [clears throat] It's going to be removed >> and will not be replaced.

[13:47] And in its place, from what I understand, do a lot of diligent work on

[13:50] my part, there'll be a five- foot wide pathway

[13:55] from Warrington Street and Highway One to the pump station.

[14:00] There will be no curbing

[14:05] as in a typical sidewalk. So in other words, pedestrians,

[14:10] people pushing strollers, bicyclists will be at the same level as vehicles

[14:18] traversing or in the street and 70,000 lb trucks headed to war uh Samet where

[14:27] the speed limit is 35 miles an hour and vehicles often exceed that.

[14:33] Have you been to Warrington Street? Oh yes. So, you may recall the sightelines

[14:38] are limited and there are hills and valleys

[14:43] where there's no line of sight beyond maybe 100 100 ft.

[14:50] You can't tell if a vehicle is headed your way or not.

[14:53] There's often little groups of uh kitties from the

[14:58] Riley school who walk down to the lack of better way the beach access

[15:06] point and they're walking along Martin vehicles going 35 miles an hour each way

[15:11] and from what I understand

[15:15] this is supposed to enhance safety and access to an inherently unsafe

[15:21] street

[15:24] the same level the pathway the street I think is pretty much insane you know

[15:32] that vehicles slipping by I'm very concerned about that

[15:38] and I think the city's going to be exposed to extreme liability when not it

[15:42] but when there's a very tragic accident particularly since every day spring

[15:49] summer and most of the There are people that park in the white

[15:53] out next to the pump station. They cross the street and go down into code.

[15:59] According to the information that I've been able to ascertain,

[16:03] including my u conversation with Mike Young yesterday,

[16:09] where they park now is going to be a pathway with no

[16:13] parking. Right. Well, the goal of the Pathways Committee

[16:18] charter is to facilitate and deal with parking issues. So, for all these people

[16:25] that have been parking there for the last 20 or 30 years,

[16:30] who go to the beach every day, like I said, where are they supposed to park?

[16:37] Mr. Young had no idea. I think that's shortsighted. that part

[16:42] of our original discussion. We never I never knew that people parked there and

[16:47] go down to the and so or what I'm going to be doing is I'm going to be video

[16:52] videoing from my lawn the trucks and the cars and the people that are crossing

[16:58] Warrington Street to go down and they're families little kitties

[17:04] little buckets you know to go like >> is there a public access right there

[17:09] » uh unofficially and this is I'm not on that land But from what I understand,

[17:15] it's not public access. It's privately owned by the

[17:19] by the resident. [clears throat] Uh, let me It's privately owned and I'm

[17:25] not sure if it's a certain resident or the other one, but it's one of the other

[17:29] addresses memorized, but from what I know, that's been used as a public

[17:35] access for ever. you talk to the people that live there and there's several that

[17:41] that have been there for a long time, you know, like decades.

[17:45] Um, and no one seems to have any problem with it. And in fact, on that point

[17:52] where the roaded

[17:56] intersects the slope to claim Cove where the people traverse down the beach, it's

[18:03] eroded. It constantly erodess. And right now,

[18:06] it's present condition. It's eroded to the roaded itself. And there's a drop

[18:11] down of about maybe 18 inches. To me, that says instability.

[18:21] And I talked to M about that and he said that they may have to rip wrap it or

[18:26] something like this. But that's what they're fixing, right? Is what you're

[18:30] talking about is the drainage where it's eroding. The point is to fix right there

[18:36] because that's where the drain it's it's near

[18:39] » it's not right there. >> That's right. The drainage uh

[18:44] it's um adjacent to it's at the lowest level adjacent to the pump station.

[18:50] That's the culvert. I don't know if that's what you meant. The culvert

[18:53] that's where it's getting fixed. So right there.

[18:55] » Yeah. Okay. >> This is the cover. There's the pump

[18:57] station here. Oh, >> okay. So where the blue is the covert?

[19:00] Mhm. >> So they go between the Dixon and the

[19:02] Person. People go between the Person and Dixon properties.

[19:06] » Zoom in a little bit. >> See

[19:12] moved residence. I'm not sure. >> This is a cover. I think you're

[19:18] » Oh, yeah. That that's the covert. And then right to the left of the culvert,

[19:22] there's a wide out on the land side where that's where the people park and

[19:28] that's going to be eliminated. And

[19:32] » on the water side or on the pump station side?

[19:34] » Pump station side. >> Okay. That's up here.

[19:37] » Oh, okay. Pump st. Okay. It's hard for me to determine what where it is.

[19:42] » Well, there's the cove at the top of the page,

[19:46] right? Route one is to the left, >> right? And so that blue dotted line, is

[19:50] that the culvert? The big >> this right here,

[19:52] » the puck thing. >> This is the big culvert.

[19:54] » Okay. So right to the left of that down uh down further down.

[20:01] » Yeah. Right over there. That's sort of the wide out [clears throat]

[20:04] » where people park. And then to the left uh sort of in that vicinity on the other

[20:11] side that sort of on the other side of the warrant and toward the cove.

[20:14] » Mhm. >> That's where the people walk down.

[20:16] » Mhm. Yeah. said there was going to be some parking

[20:20] by the pump station. >> Did we talk about that? I don't

[20:23] remember. >> That's where it is now. According to

[20:26] this information, that's where the that's where the pathway is going to be

[20:30] as specific. >> Well, the pathway will go across, but

[20:32] that there was going to be parking by the pump station. So, you could go in

[20:36] and you wouldn't park on the path. You would park sort of I thought you'd have

[20:40] to I mean, the people have to go do work at the pump station, right?

[20:43] » Well, there's going to be >> Yeah. So that will be an a pump state a

[20:48] parking space >> one.

[20:50] » Well do the >> but I don't know just the quantity.

[20:56] » So Ethan are you in favor then of of the sidewalk continuing the sidewalk? I

[21:01] would rather have a sidewalk instead of as well.

[21:05] » Yeah. Another sort of area of concern. But before if I may if we get to that

[21:09] just sort of finish up this little mini topic. So here's the covert if I

[21:13] understand correct. Right. >> Yes. Mhm.

[21:15] » All right. So, uh, can you, uh, raise it up a little

[21:19] bit this way, the whole graphic up a little bit? Other

[21:24] way. >> To this one. [clears throat]

[21:26] » Let's see. >> Oh, yeah. All right. So,

[21:32] [clears throat] looking for basically my house. So, it's

[21:35] » Oh, your house. >> It's uh, okay. 39.

[21:41] All right. So the pathway that people go down to the cob it's pretty much

[21:48] right here. >> Okay.

[21:52] » People park and Okay. So the covert is here and and the pump if that's the then

[21:58] the pump station is sort of right here >> and then

[22:02] » this is a pretty big drawing. >> Okay.

[22:04] » Looks like the gravel. So

[22:08] to the right over there somewhere is the pump station and the warrant and soda

[22:11] goes down and at the lowest level of course that's that's where the um

[22:16] culvert is and then above the culvert here is a wide out where people park.

[22:22] It's sort of eroding but that's just the way it's been for you know that's the

[22:25] way it is. And then but right next to the pump station there is a gravel area

[22:29] that is for the technicians who service the pump station. It's not public. I'm

[22:35] gonna pull up a Google Earth image for you. Offshore.

[22:45] » Oh, there's the spacecraft. [laughter]

[22:50] It's a good one. [snorts]

[22:53] Coming home.

[23:00] Oh, no. Sorry.

[23:07] Yeah, it's getting it's pretty cool.

[23:11] So, okay, this pump >> station's right here. This is that white

[23:15] out that you're talking about. >> Okay. Where's the pump station? Here.

[23:18] » It's right here. >> Okay. So, right here is the gravel for

[23:21] the technicians for the pump station. It's not public parking.

[23:25] » And then the wide out is sort of here. It's not It's not like an official wide

[23:29] out. It's just sort of, you know, just the way it is. just and then the pathway

[23:34] to the beach is sort of right Yeah. right in that vicinity. So people bark

[23:40] and they take the little kiddies and there's some seniors by the way too and

[23:43] they'll walk across and do the stuff in the cove

[23:48] and it's here just >> Oh sure they can.

[23:52] » Oh that's great. So there he there's his pathway

[23:56] » and presently I mean like literally right now

[24:01] » um >> yeah this is all the way to the road

[24:05] bit. See this initation it's washed out >> and they they filled it in the past but

[24:10] it washed it out again. >> That's the

[24:13] » Oh yeah. So oh boy a lot of folc encourage people to go over to the park

[24:17] instead of parking there and get some steps down to beach.

[24:21] » But the uh that is private property. No, the park over around the corner

[24:26] » she's talking about over here. >> Oh, the uh

[24:31] » street. >> So, I don't know.

[24:35] » So, that would eliminate that. >> Yeah, if they're it's a little, you

[24:39] know, I don't know. A lot of people are

[24:43] probably not really going to walk want to walk that, but I guess if that's the

[24:46] only choice, right? To give you some background, the pathways committee's

[24:49] focus is to look at alternatives to roads. It's not about parking. It's

[24:54] about safe walking bicycling pathways. And so part of this project started

[25:01] because we know a lot of people walk the route and it's not just, you know, going

[25:06] to the beach. We know people will walk more intentionally. they'll go, you

[25:10] know, um and in fact that whole circle and knowing um and there have been

[25:16] conversations years in the past that Samet also had some interest. So we're

[25:20] really looking at this is kind of phase one and we would bring it all the way

[25:25] around to Samet and then hoping that Rockland would pick up and do their part

[25:30] over on the other road. >> Yeah. and and you know, parking is

[25:36] definitely an issue, but thinking about how do we do pathways

[25:42] that can be maintained and upkeep and maint and made safe and you know, your

[25:49] concerns are, you know, are the same ones that we've been airing. Um

[25:55] but then we're at the point of like we we've been looking all over the

[26:01] country to see how they are doing this and and so there is not precedent in the

[26:07] Mid Coast but there's definitely precedent across the country that having

[26:13] pathways that are the same level as roads um is very typical and and they

[26:19] can be safe. Um I'm more you know some of the things you said is like you know

[26:24] can we lower the speed limit? Can we do you know some other things you know to

[26:29] that kind of work into that as well. We also know when roads are a little

[26:34] narrower people go slower. Um, so there's a lot of things like we need to

[26:41] talk about, but I think at the end of the day, if if there was a way to

[26:46] think about our understanding that safety is key and

[26:51] if we can think about, you know, is there a way to put a few parking spots

[26:55] over by the pump station and some of those, would that alleviate some of your

[27:00] concerns or >> Well, I understand everything that you

[27:03] said and I value it and you know, Parking is not a concern for me because

[27:08] I live there, but I observe it. >> Sure. [clears throat]

[27:11] » And I'm talking human behavior here. And they do this literally every day,

[27:15] spring, summer, and most of the fall. And sometimes there's up to four

[27:19] vehicles that hold little wide out >> and they cross warrant, which is itself

[27:24] dangerous because there's no crosswalk. And like I said, uh if you go to the

[27:29] Google map thing, the road sort of goes like this. So at the that at the bottom

[27:33] point is where the people cross and that's where neither the approaching

[27:38] driver from highway one or the people on warranton they they can't see each other

[27:44] because there's a valve. So that's to me is inherently unsafe.

[27:49] Now as you brought up and as you brought up what right [laughter] now phase one

[27:55] is a pathway to nowhere. It's a pathway to the pump station.

[28:00] I talked to Mr. Young about that and as you indicated, you know, it's

[28:06] sort of a

[28:09] a faroff dream or project, however you want to call it, to connect that to

[28:15] Samet. Now, the

[28:18] pathway presently is on the

[28:23] I don't know like the land side of war. The pump station's

[28:27] got a cross. The Samets's on the other side is straight.

[28:31] » M. Young didn't really know where that was going to be. He did s say that

[28:36] they're going to perhaps try to get an an ease

[28:40] from the >> this one

[28:43] » from the people who own that huge plot of land. So that pathways on the other

[28:48] side of their >> on the other side of the trees.

[28:52] » Yes. The trees. >> So I don't know. I mean, how easy that's

[28:56] going to be. Land owners may not want to be doing that.

[28:59] » That corner is, as you know, dangerous. Walking on it constantly.

[29:02] » Yeah, that corner right right in the middle of the road.

[29:05] » I think is that >> my truck drivers are always keeping a

[29:07] lap out when they go because it's there's always somebody standing in the

[29:10] middle road. >> Yeah. Well, like you said, it's a lot of

[29:12] walkers and stuff including me. >> Yeah.

[29:14] » Now, that's east eastward is a Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that corner is like

[29:18] essentially one corner, too. And we had, you know, we've looked at that and of

[29:22] course we would like push forward to raise a sidewalk as well, but as our

[29:26] meeting earlier in the winter was just no money for,

[29:29] » well, that's what Mike Young said, you know, and you just said the cost of

[29:33] putting a traditional >> unfortunately, you know, we haven't we

[29:36] haven't identified any grants, >> right,

[29:39] » do those. >> Well, you know, so

[29:40] » yeah, some of our other projects will be able to get grant money to make this.

[29:45] » Unfortunately, this one we haven't been able to identify.

[29:48] » I don't know that we've had any. I don't I don't there's no grants for sidewalks.

[29:53] » Not in this case, but >> yeah.

[29:55] » And along this stretch, if there were to be the raised sidewalk,

[29:59] » then we would also need space for bicycle riders cuz bike riders won't be

[30:03] on the sidewalks. >> Well, so that would mean widening

[30:08] the road even further into people's land. So, the mixed use pathway is a

[30:14] good solution. >> Yeah. Well, and then my property is

[30:18] affected. >> Oh, as well as every one of my

[30:21] neighbors. I talked to them yesterday. They were furious.

[30:23] » They had no knowledge that the land was going to be taken. Okay.

[30:28] Which part are they upset about? >> Yeah. What are they

[30:31] the old sideway? >> No one has informed them of anything.

[30:34] Okay. And no one is disputing the town's authority

[30:39] to go ahead and take their land. Okay. But have a little courtesy. Maybe maybe

[30:44] inform the people that pay the taxes of this town. Let them know that you're

[30:48] going to be moving their sidewalk. You'll be cutting into their lawn. And

[30:51] there's no indication of the schedule because they're going to be doing a lot

[30:54] of work on storm. Nothing. No communication except a letter that I got

[30:58] yesterday from public works and a visit. I'm sure

[31:02] the town spatched him to my residents to try to modify me.

[31:06] » So there is a concern by the residents that of ripping up the sidewalk itself.

[31:11] Would

[31:15] the Do people want it repaired? Is that >> Well, I think most people haven't even

[31:20] haven't even had a chance to think about it

[31:21] » to digest it. Yeah. >> You know what I mean?

[31:23] » Yeah, I do. >> I mean, I've been trying to figure this

[31:25] out for weeks. Yeah. >> And they just found out about it

[31:28] yesterday >> and they weren't too happy, I have to

[31:31] say. >> And and and the plans aren't all aren't

[31:34] [clears throat] finalized yet. So, we're spell

[31:40] that's different. Well, that's a part of the confusion. I'm

[31:44] the uh this Okay. So, last summer the survey people um I don't know company

[31:51] that they were out there surveying warrant

[31:53] » probably. Yeah, probably. So, and so myself, other

[31:57] neighbors asked him, you know, what's going on? And they said, well, they said

[32:01] some maybe something with a sidewalk. And that's pretty much all they said.

[32:03] And that's fine. I mean, it's like their job to eat. Actually, they don't even

[32:07] probably nothing. They just jobs to service that one. That was last summer.

[32:11] Okay. I called public works last summer after I talked to the survey people and

[32:16] asked them. They said that, you know, just something out into the future and I

[32:20] requested that they call me when they found out. Never got a call. My

[32:24] neighbor, same thing. Found out doctor yesterday. She called. They never They

[32:28] said they call her back. They never called her back.

[32:29] » Who was that? Felicia. >> Was that your neighbor?

[32:33] » I No, it was Linda. U 4143. >> Yeah. case

[32:40] » and um you know she's been there I don't know how long but probably you know

[32:45] decades and decades you know and anyway so

[32:52] my question is sort of so you know uh Mr. Young referred to the

[32:58] he said they haven't you y'all haven't really decided on the there might be

[33:04] sheros or you know or and he said there's going to be probably no parking

[33:10] signs at the pathway that we've been talking about. So

[33:17] but the back of my you know this been in the works since last summer you know

[33:22] because they have survey people out there. They don't send survey people out

[33:25] there for no reason. And the pathways committee, y'all in one

[33:30] form or another have been mentioning Warrington Street for months

[33:36] and um why you why are you doing this? I mean, aren't there other streets that

[33:40] are better suited? >> That's not how it works for us. I take

[33:46] advantage of they're be working on the street. We take advantage of the

[33:49] opportunity while they're >> Yeah.

[33:51] » working that we don't have to come in later and redo work. That's

[33:54] » Well, that's what you know, Mr. young sort of, you know, obviously everyone

[33:57] wants things to be done efficiently as possible,

[34:00] » you know, but if if the goal doesn't make sense, it's

[34:02] » so to give you a little history, you know, when they redid Park Street, you

[34:07] know, by go um Goose River Golf and they repaint they they kind of

[34:12] rebuilt everything >> between Rockport and Camden

[34:15] » between Rockport and Camden. >> You know, Simon Corner, Cart Street goes

[34:19] over to Camden. It's probably going to matter. It's the

[34:24] back way to get into Camden. Oh. Uh, okay.

[34:27] » And you go by the golf course. >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

[34:30] » So, I >> So, that road when they redid it, it was

[34:35] done without thinking at all about the people that walk it and bike it. And so,

[34:41] it's still a narrow road with no shoulders and kind of dangerous. And so

[34:46] out of that came our focus on creating a complete streets kind of policy which is

[34:54] where anytime the town is going to redo roads that there would be this chance

[35:04] for us to think about how that road can better be um you know m uh

[35:13] » designed and utilized will accommodate pedestrians and bikers as opposed to

[35:17] just trucks and cars. >> Well, that's great because I've done a I

[35:20] bike and I have walked a lot and I I know [laughter] pretty much you think.

[35:25] » So, this came up because of the fact that they're redoing the drainage and so

[35:31] now it's becoming like a chance for us to rethink how is that knowing that it's

[35:37] a heavily used road for pedestrians and bikers. Like, how do we do this? And we

[35:43] know we can't do it all in one shot and we can do it, you know, do we start with

[35:48] this piece and we kind of use this as our um

[35:52] » to test >> to test both the policy

[35:56] as well as um you know a lot of things. And so it's creating a whole another

[36:02] layer of communication for Mike to have to communicate with us. And and this is

[36:08] all new because we're still ironing out the policy. And so we had a work plan

[36:14] that we would have been talking to all the neighbors back in January. It just

[36:18] went slower than and it was a very snowy winter and you know

[36:24] » was still waiting for information. >> We were still waiting for information.

[36:28] Well, I I understand, you know, it was just it takes time,

[36:31] » but to like I could have anticipated knowing that if you guys are only

[36:36] finding out about this in April and you know Brown's going to that there'd be

[36:41] emotions. >> Well, they have the I don't know what

[36:44] they're called. Maybe I'll do the concrete deals that have to do with the

[36:49] storm water. You know, they're like six feet tall by four feet wide.

[36:52] » Oh, the jersey things. >> No, they weigh about probably five tons

[36:55] each, you know. >> Oh, those things. Wow. You know, they're

[36:58] right next to right for my neighbors earlier in the White House. They brought

[37:02] some stuff over. >> Yeah.

[37:05] » The catch basins. >> Sorry.

[37:06] » The catch basins. >> Yeah. Okay.

[37:08] » They've been delivered. >> So, that indicate that's a good

[37:10] indication of Mike's focus, which is to fix that thing.

[37:13] » Yeah. >> That's what he's concentrating on. And

[37:16] the road is secondary. If it's, you know, there's markers on my property.

[37:21] All my neighbors have markers on our property. Okay. and the dig state people

[37:25] spray painted our property where the utilities are. Okay. I mean, so this is

[37:29] happening. He says it's going to be uh well the letter said mid that is April

[37:34] 7th. So I you know it's going to the uh trucks are going to be there next week I

[37:39] guess you know and like I said we're just finding out. But I understand your

[37:44] point and I appreciate it because I' I've been a walker [clears throat] and a

[37:46] biker, you know, for years, you know, and

[37:50] [clears throat] it really is um and I I know I got lights on the bike and

[37:54] helmets and I really don't want to get whacked.

[37:57] » And what I'm hearing from you, >> just real quick in regards to that

[37:59] notice, you got that notice as fast as we could actually get it because like we

[38:03] literally got the information from Farley on when they're going to do this

[38:07] like mid April. It's like, okay, we got to put that in line and then get that

[38:10] out. Then John was wanting to actually do one last edit on. I said, "John, I

[38:14] got to get this in the mail Friday so that it gets delivered in time." So I

[38:17] mean, I had to kind of go around him. >> Right. So

[38:22] » that that's one of the pieces here. And one of the issues that we're trying to

[38:25] work out is this one. We have Warrington Street project. There's a box that we

[38:30] got to deal with in. So for the future projects, we're ahead of the game before

[38:34] we actually have a bid out. That's where we want to be. So this is sort of like

[38:38] the genesis of the deal. So >> I totally understand the logic and the

[38:46] sense of you know of the complete street Pauls as you laid it out to only make

[38:50] sense for [clears throat] all sorts of safety improvement for bikes and that

[38:56] the economy of doing things together rather than separately and we all know

[39:00] that you know paving and excavation work is extremely expensive. So, we can't

[39:06] just do a peace meal. I mean, we all know we're getting taxed like crazy,

[39:11] but so what, and correct me if I'm wrong,

[39:15] but what I'm hearing from you is is safety is probably even more important

[39:22] to you at this point than the thought of, you know, and I don't think it would

[39:25] affect you because you have sidewalk in front, but if the properties, you know,

[39:30] cut into their wall your their yards a little closer to the pump station, like

[39:35] that's not your bigger concern. your bigger concern is like the parking and

[39:39] the safety. >> Safety has been my concern since I lived

[39:43] here and ask any of my neighbors. And uh with respect to the comment about the

[39:48] sidewalk, the sidewalk only goes 150 ft from

[39:51] » and I'm I'm way past the sidewalk. >> Oh, you are okay.

[39:54] » There's no there's no >> except in the street and uh same with

[39:59] several neighbors down. But I've been talking to my neighbor for uh

[40:06] nextdoor neighbor who's been on the planning board in the past about this

[40:11] subject and uh we both agree this you know it's just an accident waiting to

[40:15] happen and I think more so now because the project let's let's assume it's all

[40:22] done. It's designed to entice people to go there. You know, it's all, you know,

[40:27] all redone for pathway. Looks good. It goes to the pump station ends. Okay.

[40:33] Where do you know where people go then? >> Well, that Yeah, that's not the goal.

[40:36] [laughter] >> But that is the reality.

[40:40] » Well, that's phase one. Yeah. >> Absolutely.

[40:42] » And no one knows a [laughter] who knows when stage. So,

[40:46] you're going to have people going like, okay, now what? And with respect to the

[40:51] wide out, um, he says, my Mr. Young says he wants

[40:56] the the police department to ticket people to park there. Okay. Well, I

[41:00] haven't seen anyone even given a speeding ticket, let alone a parking

[41:03] ticket. >> You just got to look at human nature

[41:06] here. In regards to what you're saying about that, we had the opportunity up

[41:11] here at the intersection of Route 91 a few years ago for at the cross where

[41:18] markets used to be. >> Yeah.

[41:20] » There was no crossing. >> No crossing.

[41:23] » No crossing. Wow. >> And they were redoing the intersection.

[41:27] » Yeah. >> And that sidewalk comes up and ended

[41:30] right there. But and on the other side there's no sidewalk. So we had to but

[41:35] they were redoing all the wiring. They doing all the grading. They were doing

[41:39] everything. And we were able to put a landing spot on the other side and put a

[41:42] crossing signal in there. And now we're going to be able to connect to the next

[41:46] phase when that comes up which is connecting for the high school.

[41:49] » Okay. As well as the new park that will be soon the park.

[41:52] » But to go back now to try and put that crosswalk in after we've already done

[41:57] » Yeah. >> would have been hundreds of thousands.

[42:00] » Yeah. It's amazing. And it just >> Yeah. So we try to take advantage of the

[42:05] when these opportunities present themselves.

[42:07] » Well, I hear that and if I was in your position, I would definitely consider

[42:11] it. But I I exists. I think it creates I think it creates

[42:17] more problems than solves. >> Do you object to a pathways there? Would

[42:24] you would you just rather have the road there like just just lines fog lines on

[42:30] the road? Is that >> well

[42:31] » ideally what you'd rather see? you know, since I well, I've been contemplating

[42:36] that very, you know, imagining the pathway versus not.

[42:41] » And I've been trying to get to the point where the pathway is acceptable in my

[42:46] own rationale. >> And um

[42:52] I think it I've made the determination in my own analysis that it would make it

[42:58] less safe. It's the same level. There's no curb. It

[43:04] it ends. Where are people going to go? >> Can I can we show you a couple of the

[43:07] things that we've been looking at that um

[43:11] you know, so this is an example of something along the lines

[43:18] » the green is the pathway. >> The green is the pathway.

[43:20] » Now I've also done research like there's a there's a space between the pathway

[43:25] and the roadway, >> right?

[43:26] » There's no space on warranty. >> Well, that's what we're hoping to do

[43:29] though. That no but that be the pathway is going to go right to the rope bed.

[43:33] » So So this this is all level, right? >> This is just sort of a like a 4ft with a

[43:41] 1 and 1/2t or something. >> So the one and what does that designate?

[43:44] » That's just paint. And >> what's it supposed to be?

[43:47] » It's just to designate like when you're a walker or a biker, you stay on the

[43:52] pathway. This is kind of that little safety shoulder and then if you're

[43:55] driving, you're not driving onto the pathway.

[43:58] » Right. Well, there there's no safety shoulder in this plan on but but this is

[44:03] what our goal is. >> Oh, the goal.

[44:05] » Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. No, exactly. And I like I said, I've sort of done a little

[44:09] M dot research on pathways. Yeah, that all makes sense, but it doesn't that's

[44:14] not happening on war. >> No, no, it would happen. So, we don't

[44:17] know the painting plan yet >> exactly what colors. just know how much

[44:21] space we have to work with and what's going to be, you know, the pathway and

[44:25] what's going to be >> Well, Mike, okay, we were standing on

[44:28] the street again. Now, this is the street. This is my yard. Here's the edge

[44:32] of the street. He says the pathway is going to go from right here and it's

[44:36] going to go 5t in. There's no separation there.

[44:42] » There's not going to be a grass separation. No, it's just going to be a

[44:45] paint separation like you have shown on that screen. Well, he indicated here's

[44:49] [clears throat] the here's the edge of the street and the pathway is going to

[44:52] be 5 ft in. Now, you made no indication to me that there's going to be

[44:58] » so from from the edge of the inward. So, that the second line over all the way to

[45:03] that curb, that is that section that Mike is referring to. So, within that

[45:08] 5T, there's going to be the breakaway bit that the rest is going to be that

[45:13] way. We got to discuss the the lanes because that's not enough space on

[45:18] the in the pathway for two bikes to kind of go against each

[45:22] other. >> So, you're saying that the five feet I

[45:24] think we agree on that, right? >> Uh

[45:27] » is going to be Oh, >> touch the mouse. Touch the mouse.

[45:33] » So, the five feet is going to be sort of subdivided into having

[45:37] » Yeah. So, so for example, right there, the the green is three and then that

[45:41] white that that white line there will be two in this example right there. And

[45:45] what we're trying to work with on Mike is to get the lanes narrowed. So, we can

[45:49] take that three and two and be more of like a four or five and then two,

[45:54] [clears throat] something of that nature.

[45:55] » So, narrow the the vehicular lanes. >> So, that helps explode the traffic as

[46:00] well. At least in theory. >> It's actually proven.

[46:04] » Well, tell that that the people get killed. And theoretically, it should

[46:08] have been safe. Hey, you know. >> Well, no, but it is

[46:11] » you can't see the traffic. >> The vehicles can't see the pedestrians.

[46:15] The pedestrians can't see. Well, we've got we've got a history in this town of

[46:19] non- enforcement. >> Right. So that's what I would I would

[46:23] ask that now that we have a fully staffed well we will have a fully st

[46:27] that you know we do insist on a little bit more enforcement or a lot more

[46:30] enforcement to go along with what we're trying to do because you know Park

[46:34] Street that's first and foremost in terms of the safety. I understand

[46:39] Warrington too but we just have people crazy drivers. Pasco is 30 m an hour and

[46:45] that's like totally straight compared to warrant and you can see down here this

[46:49] is 35 miles an hour and there is no sight line

[46:53] » maybe with a narrow road it's going to it would um go hand in hand with a

[46:59] slower >> well that's the theory I've read about

[47:00] the slowing effect whatever um I've also seen I mean there's 18 legos coming down

[47:06] here >> but this is a town road like Orion can

[47:10] maybe we >> I'm trying to remember right now on how

[47:12] we can reduce the speed limit right now. >> There's a way we can look at

[47:17] » my town wants to reduce the speed limit on my rural road. What action do I have

[47:20] to undertake to reduce the speed limit on my main non-main designated speed

[47:25] limit road? >> We we've got an internal procedure on

[47:29] how that's done and I think it's done with the police department, but we have

[47:32] to dig into that. I don't have that information off the top of my head,

[47:36] » but you know, I did look into that. somewhere in the plan said specifically,

[47:39] you know, they're gonna Oh, traffic calming, right?

[47:42] » So, they're gonna rely on that and they're not gonna reduce speed. That's

[47:45] what it said. >> Yeah.

[47:46] » So, >> I think the other piece to think about

[47:49] is like um you know that little pathway that people have typically gone down and

[47:55] and is there a way maybe out of Glen Cove that a path down to the beach could

[48:02] be had as a >> that's public access over there,

[48:05] » right? be way more parking, way more safer parking over there.

[48:09] » So, access Gleno from that little strip, the parking area. Yeah, that I mean, if

[48:14] that's public property, you know, it's town own property.

[48:17] » Sounds like a pretty good idea to me. >> Yeah.

[48:19] » I mean, they got the park in there. I mean, people already,

[48:21] » you know, might need to a stairway and definitely through some shrubbery.

[48:27] » Then you get shoreland zoning perhaps issues and disturbing vegetation.

[48:31] » They can get in there with a staircase. and it's been talked about. We just

[48:36] haven't had the the um we haven't come to the select board and said, "Let's do

[48:40] it." >> Make a mental note of it because we

[48:42] actually have a plan that the town paid for a long time ago for that.

[48:46] » Oh, do we? >> Yeah. ever came home.

[48:50] » And I'm sort of surprised that the people that own that strip of land where

[48:55] people um access where >> I would be surprised they could even buy

[49:02] homeowners insurance because man once you know it's not a it's not stairways

[49:06] it's sort of craggly little deal someone falls and you know hurts themselves. Oh

[49:11] my god. >> Help eliminate the parking there so

[49:13] people won't be as inclined to do it. And if we something in Glen Co that just

[49:18] relocates the people to a much more suitable location

[49:21] » and safer as we know they're trying to get people to relocate this place.

[49:25] » But if there's there's four or five shoot them alone,

[49:29] » but the thing is if it's easy easier access.

[49:32] » Well, if there's an alternative. Yeah. Yeah.

[49:34] » Because like I said, people can go there for decades, you know. That's what they

[49:37] do. They bring their family >> there facilities there. There's

[49:41] » tables and stuff. Yeah. So in in the sake of time I do want to

[49:45] go over the capital program projects but I also don't want to diminish anything

[49:49] else you know. >> Well first of all thank you very much

[49:51] for the opportunity >> the feedback and hope it has some sort

[49:54] of uh activity for you reinforce our own beliefs.

[49:59] » Yeah and and it it we do appreciate your you know you coming and talking about it

[50:03] because >> we did want to have a meeting and um we

[50:07] just couldn't go we didn't have enough information and here we are in April.

[50:11] So, >> well, the homeowners

[50:12] » sorry that that it happened this way. >> Well, the neighbors that I talked to one

[50:16] that's here, you know, and but the ones that I talked to, uh, you know, they're

[50:20] not very happy, you know. So, if you're interested in try to keep good relations

[50:24] with the residents of this town, you might consider putting something in the

[50:27] mail beyond the beyond this is what we're going to do.

[50:32] » Explain what you did. >> Does this feel different than when you

[50:36] came in?

[50:40] It does have to have any feedback. >> Yeah, sure. And uh if you haven't been

[50:45] to Warren in a while, see, you know, now it's not really represented. It's winter

[50:49] time, so you know, the pedestrian traffic's down. The vehicular traffic is

[50:53] down. Soon as you get the warmer weather, you know, they can walk down.

[50:57] You'll see what I mean. And uh I think I I think you will agree

[51:02] that the complete street policy

[51:07] is not a very good fit as it exists for or warranted street per se

[51:14] » the way it's perceived maybe. >> Well, it is. I just think I think it's

[51:19] going to be less safe. I mean, >> okay. So I I don't want you to have the

[51:23] takeaway that the complete streets policy is

[51:27] um I guess that this warranted street is the product of the complete streets

[51:31] policy because it was not the warranted street is pretty much already done

[51:36] included in the budget process was on its way and in that process the complete

[51:39] streets policy was formed you know it was being tried to be applied so it it's

[51:44] not a true reflection of it >> but aspects of it are

[51:47] » aspects of it are and pretty much is the paint of what we can operate with within

[51:51] balance. So, >> you know, [clears throat] taking 5T of

[51:54] people's property, that's not repaving. >> I would say we're we're not taking

[51:58] anybody's property or operating within the right of way.

[52:01] » Okay. Well, using whatever verb you wish that people are going to lose their

[52:05] access to what they have been perceiving to be their property for, you know, 50

[52:09] years, what they've been mowing, you know.

[52:11] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[52:12] » So, yeah, no one's arguing the you know, the city has the absolute authority to

[52:16] come in there with a bulldozer. Okay. No one's arguing that. But have a little

[52:19] courtesy, a little respect. Yeah. You know, explain the situation that's going

[52:23] on. Why their mailbox is getting moved? You know, you know, what's with this

[52:26] pathway? No one knows anything about this. How come the sidewalks getting

[52:29] removed? You know, Dr. Guy yesterday said, "No, no, I'm not going to take out

[52:32] the sidewalk." I said, "Yes, they are." >> You know, and he's been there for he's

[52:36] been on every committee in this town over the years.

[52:39] » Who is that? >> I'd rather not say cuz I have a feeling

[52:41] you wouldn't want me to say cuz he's had enough.

[52:45] » He's been there, done that. But he has a piece of sidewalk in front of him. It's

[52:48] not. No, he does not. But he's on the other side of the street.

[52:51] » Oh, he's on the other side. Okay. >> But he's you know, he knows all about

[52:54] » Yeah. I didn't think that it was getting widening widened on the other side.

[52:58] » It's not not It's not getting Well, according to Mr. Young, um it's not

[53:05] getting widened on the cove side. >> It's the other side

[53:10] » where the where the sidewalk >> Yes.

[53:13] » would [clears throat] continue. >> The drainage is going.

[53:16] » Yeah. uh where the drainage is going. Okay, that's so all that's you know

[53:20] that's not that's not routine paving. That's a new project. It is it isn't and

[53:25] it's not on the project page and an informed

[53:31] uh planning commission or department that I think it should and it's never

[53:35] been I've checked a thousand times and it's never been trying to get

[53:39] information about this has been like nearly impossible

[53:41] » on the on the project page >> on the town project.

[53:44] » Yeah. And just just for clarity, I want to look at

[53:49] this just so I'm understanding you're talking about here this project page.

[53:57] » Yeah, that's it, right? >> Yeah. So, these are all like planning

[54:00] projects that that's what this has been used for. This is the thing that I

[54:05] started with the commentator. I don't disagree with you. If there's a new

[54:07] project, we should probably have it on project page. But when it comes to

[54:10] capital improvement stuff, I don't know how that translates to the website,

[54:15] especially when it's public works, that's like a public work domain within.

[54:19] » Well, that sort of gets into the weeds, you know, beyond my kids.

[54:22] » To your point though, of neighbors being notified like like I think any projects

[54:26] going on within the area, the neighbor should be notified so they're aware and

[54:29] informed >> and and I think they should be formed

[54:33] just if it was just the storm drainage. this going to, you know, I don't know

[54:37] how long this project's going to take. This tree's got to be ripped up.

[54:40] [clears throat] >> You know, we know it's a schedule, blah,

[54:42] blah, blah. >> Which you would think would be a routine

[54:45] thing, right? But the pathway part, you know, that we've all been talking about

[54:50] it's not that's not routine. That's that's an that's a new project.

[54:53] » And again, you know, people, you know, they lived here and, you know, they're a

[54:57] little they feel like they're getting a little bit short shift here to be polite

[55:02] about. >> Yeah. It's a shock. I get it. It's Yeah.

[55:05] So, >> I'm sorry. Thank you,

[55:07] » but I understand all your points and I, you know, support the whole complete

[55:11] streets thing because if it's if it's affordable because of there's no

[55:16] » The hope is in [clears throat] a couple years we see this nice pathway that goes

[55:20] all the way around. There'll be a crossing in some visible area. They're

[55:25] no longer needing to go to the beach there. they go from Glen Cove and and

[55:30] it's safer, >> you know, that people are walking in a

[55:33] designated place rather than on the side of the road and maybe the the speed

[55:37] limits reduced and I'd suggest maybe reaching out to the property owner of

[55:42] that path. >> Yeah.

[55:44] » You know, he might or she might be immunable to having some sort of little

[55:50] fence barrier just, you know, to say, "Hey, you know, it's down here now." I

[55:53] mean, I would if I own I wouldn't want people walking across my land. They trip

[55:57] and falls. That's You know what? It's sort of crazy.

[56:02] » Yeah. >> Well, um, thanks everybody.

[56:06] » Well, don't go and join the committee. >> Oh, [laughter]

[56:10] » it's good to have your perspective. >> Oh, sure. And we appreciate that.

[56:16] » But it sounds like it's going to go all go ahead.

[56:19] Sign, seal, and delivered. the street the road project is going our pathways

[56:26] we don't even have it fully developed yet.

[56:28] » Yeah. >> And and what she was talking earlier

[56:30] about we were going to be meeting with the task people. We had numerous

[56:34] discussions. Okay. Well, where do you think we need? We really should do

[56:37] something well in advance to complete for the street pathways project, but

[56:42] we're still on that planning part >> for Warrington specifically. Well, as

[56:46] far as what we were doing, cuz we came in late, you know, the the highway crew

[56:51] and all that stuff that public works, that part they're doing, whether we

[56:56] wanted to do a pathway or not, we're trying to improve it [clears throat] and

[57:00] we're coming in late to the game. Yeah. >> But we had we talked about when can we

[57:05] get notices out to public because we want to get their comments and we want

[57:08] to talk to them and actually have physical inerson meeting possibly the

[57:12] site. that we were working on all that kind of stuff, but things just got

[57:16] backed up to the point where this is going ahead of us.

[57:21] » Well, >> otherwise there would have been a lot of

[57:23] good >> Well, it sounds like the infrastructure

[57:25] part of it the police policy, you know, it's signs he'll deliver. It's part of

[57:30] the project. >> Well, that's not

[57:34] you know, he's going to put in the path. >> Well,

[57:38] » I know that's not >> whatever they're doing.

[57:40] » That's not the entire complete street statement. Not at all.

[57:43] » So Mike was at one meeting, so he's missed all of our conversations about

[57:48] what potential pathways could be, you know, like and all that. So I think he's

[57:55] his filter right now is about getting Metro

[57:58] and we need to do better at communicating.

[58:03] That's just the bottom line. >> I think that's always a good idea. But

[58:06] from my conversation with him yesterday, he he's certain what he's he's going to

[58:10] be putting in he's going to cutting cutting five feet into the property.

[58:14] He's going to be putting the path and you know uh he's not cutting 5t into

[58:19] propert. >> He's cutting 5t in in from from the road

[58:25] into >> so where the

[58:26] » into the ride of way >> where the existing sidewalk goes. He's

[58:30] not cutting any more into where the existing sidewalk.

[58:35] » Yeah. But so Ethan who doesn't have sidewalk is potentially getting 5 ft.

[58:41] » Yeah. And sever most of my neighbors because the sidewalk only goes like oh I

[58:45] said 150 ft and pump station is 1500 ft. >> So this would continue that roughly the

[58:53] width of sidewalk would be continued down to where there is no sidewalk is

[58:57] what I'm hearing. Well, I think the sidewalk is not quite five feet, but a

[59:01] new ballpark. >> Yeah. And

[59:04] » make it more uniform. >> It would be uniform. I could flag it.

[59:07] » So, he's going to grade it. >> Before you head out real quick. So, the

[59:10] capital improvement plan, we got a link in the in the SharePoint, but it's also

[59:14] on the town website. If you go to finance, click on finance, you'll go to

[59:19] capital improvement plan, and then it'll list all the capital improvement plans.

[59:23] 2027 is the capital improvement plan that I have up. And if we go to page 44,

[59:29] this has our paving schedule. So, >> year one, that's this upcoming fiscal

[59:34] year. This is the streets that is going to be looked at. Now, [clears throat]

[59:39] » what I discussed with Mike, it'd be good for you all to look at them, but these

[59:43] are already budgeted for already in that cycle. So, it's kind of like the

[59:46] Warrington Street here. That's it. We can kind of put a gloss over to look at

[59:50] them, give some input. But the big one that we're really going to be lifting up

[59:54] is this year 2 paving schedule. This is the one where we really get to apply

[59:57] that. So we can reach out to the butters, have those meetings with them,

[1:00:01] talk about all the stakeholders that are involved, who got the time to do it,

[1:00:05] » and we can have those appropriate meetings. Um, and really thinking about

[1:00:09] it the way it should be thought about. So now within this, these are just in

[1:00:14] alphabetical order by the way. No line of importance, but if you want to look

[1:00:18] at importance, probably go with the number figure. So the Rockville Street,

[1:00:24] that one is the most expensive, and then kind of work backwards from there. Um,

[1:00:28] and then from that specific one, we got a mileage bit, but I don't have a start

[1:00:31] and end. So I was just thinking of that. >> So at some point, we need like a start

[1:00:37] and end of what that mile point is for Mike. So then we'll know that stretch,

[1:00:43] how does that look, how does that play into the other areas and what can be

[1:00:47] done. >> Well, but I I guess I don't understand

[1:00:50] where do we start? What's next on what what

[1:00:53] » next would be next would be looking at the year one. Okay. Well, identify

[1:00:57] those. >> We won't be doing any one of these, but

[1:01:01] I I would like every one of them to be looked at and just to say because it's

[1:01:04] like from a painting standpoint or hey, there's another concern here that we

[1:01:08] just know that exists. Make sure you put that into consideration.

[1:01:11] » So is this just to [clears throat] ask this warranton street on here which is

[1:01:15] for fiscal year 27. >> That's this project.

[1:01:18] » Oh that is this project. >> So this is similar warranty street.

[1:01:21] These are already budgeted for. They're going to happen. A lot of them have

[1:01:25] already been in the queue for bids. So we're really just kind of looking at

[1:01:28] them from is there a major issue? Is there something else? Is it just

[1:01:31] painting? Is it just some concern we need to just keep in the back of our

[1:01:34] minds? What's that Main Street Canon >> that this is this is the thing that I

[1:01:38] was alluding to. I don't know the exact point to point. I just know Main Street

[1:01:44] came street to South Corner.52 miles. That's all I know. There's more

[1:01:50] to it. We can find it. >> Oh, I bet that's Cam Rock to Simon

[1:01:54] Corner or something. Um Well, okay. So, that's we need we need clarification

[1:01:58] from public works about exactly where and when.

[1:02:02] » Yes. >> Because Okay. So this is our chance then

[1:02:05] to make the road safer on that first one.

[1:02:09] » On the first one, these are already budgeted for. We can look at them

[1:02:12] similar to how we looked at Warrington Street,

[1:02:14] » right? >> Year two is really applying the complete

[1:02:17] streets where we kind of have those stakeholder meetings with the budding

[1:02:20] land owners and anybody interested. So we have everything that's of concern

[1:02:25] addressed. >> Okay.

[1:02:27] » So field trips. [laughter] >> Definitely. Definitely. I mean I think

[1:02:32] it's year two bit y'all really need to put your put

[1:02:36] » so Lenny with the budget cycle coming up year two if there's anything y'all need

[1:02:42] » we really need to think about it and then that year one is really going to

[1:02:45] lean into that so that year one one we're really going to be taking a lot of

[1:02:49] notes on these thinking about how could we make this better and that's going to

[1:02:53] lead into the budgeting process for year two

[1:02:55] » well you know looking back at what's already happened yeah and saying what

[1:02:59] but we just the opportunity on well Seeing as how communication's the

[1:03:04] primary thing, how do we get communication from public works?

[1:03:09] » Yeah. >> All out Warrington Street all of a

[1:03:11] sudden, boom. Like, >> well,

[1:03:13] » going back up to fiscal year 27. >> Um,

[1:03:18] who at public works is going to say, "Here's what we've got planned for

[1:03:22] these." >> That's that's where we're going to have

[1:03:24] meetings with Mike because it's Mike right now. And then I don't know what

[1:03:27] engineering firm we're going to hire. I don't understand that process right now,

[1:03:31] but there there's a process that exists that we need to better understand which

[1:03:35] we'll understand with the year one projects and then bleed that into year

[1:03:39] two and then we'll understand what is needed.

[1:03:41] » Okay. >> From a budgeting process that's going to

[1:03:44] be your mailers, your notifications that's got a cost to it. So, it's going

[1:03:48] to be primarily that and then some outside services just to kind of help

[1:03:52] with some opinions. >> Outside services for what? If y'all

[1:03:56] think of a service that you might need, you know, that could be a professional

[1:04:02] biking company, that could be another planning service, that could be

[1:04:05] something of an engineer, I don't know, [snorts]

[1:04:11] consultant. >> Yeah.

[1:04:13] » And well, a lot of these roads are smaller roads. I see that. Um, but

[1:04:18] nonetheless, they have people who live on them and care about them.

[1:04:21] » Exactly. Um, one question [clears throat] I didn't ask. I want to

[1:04:24] has there been a uh independent um like safety survey regarding Warrington

[1:04:30] Street and the >> uh like what we were talking about like

[1:04:34] the police safety reports that they do >> uh not I don't know if it would fall

[1:04:39] into their purview but you know just uh someone that would given what is

[1:04:45] apparently going to happen and the effects if that is that going to be

[1:04:50] improving safety or not improving safety. I see what you're asking. No. Um

[1:04:55] I don't think they do that. So that's an item to keep on your mind.

[1:04:59] » An assessment basically a >> existing conditions and then any

[1:05:04] proposed changes what that might likely entail.

[1:05:07] » Yeah, maybe you know working with Camden.

[1:05:11] » Um Camden, what's that? Mechanic Street. You know where they put the sheriffs.

[1:05:17] » Oh great. Yes. and um and Norwood which um they put fog lines so it's really

[1:05:22] like one width of a thing >> right and so so you've done some

[1:05:29] experiments to kind of see how behaviors changing

[1:05:33] » and there's no question that we see you know everywhere where you narrow streets

[1:05:39] speed's going down >> and we also know that when they're

[1:05:43] shared there is an increased awareness and and so one of The things we know is

[1:05:49] there'll be signage. There will be different colors so that it's when

[1:05:54] people see it, it's not going to seem like it's just a wide shoulder, you

[1:06:01] know, but like so the idea is we're looking at what the research around the

[1:06:05] country has shown for positive because our main goal here is safety. Um and so

[1:06:12] I think um we know it's already heavily used by pedestrians and it's not safe.

[1:06:19] So how do we make it safer um given you know the situation that's

[1:06:25] there and so you know I think every single thing you have brought to us

[1:06:30] today is going in and you know I'd say the beach we have a I mean if we can get

[1:06:36] a better place to park and a better access it takes care of that and then

[1:06:42] you know narrowing it reducing the speed wider path that's going all the way

[1:06:48] around as Sam those things. Well, maybe might just

[1:06:51] narrow the whole road. Yeah, I guess. Why does it have to be wider?

[1:06:56] Yeah. >> All right, everybody. Anything else?

[1:07:02] » Are we meeting next week? >> Well, we're meeting with Camden. We have

[1:07:06] our quarterly Camdom meeting. >> And I So, that survey that y'all are

[1:07:10] working on, >> college survey. Yeah.

[1:07:13] » I looked over it. Looks fine. She made a comment today. is it kind of made me

[1:07:18] wonder if she understands the structure of like how committees work. So maybe

[1:07:21] just understand like committee works for the select board. She just made a

[1:07:25] comment there but she'll be fine with that. I'm sure um I think she just

[1:07:29] wanted to understand. >> Okay.

[1:07:30] » Uh the survey and how it's structured. I don't know if I like it. Fine with it. I

[1:07:33] think I'm on a good track. So keep it up.

[1:07:36] » So yeah. So we should um get that out to the

[1:07:39] » So we're saying on the 16th that's Yeah. >> Now am I understanding that that survey

[1:07:43] is going to be used in the complete street process whenever we got get a

[1:07:46] project reaching out? >> No, I think it's a Isn't it a general

[1:07:50] survey? >> It's a general survey. What the send out

[1:07:52] to the community to try to target areas that people have concerns.

[1:07:56] » Okay. >> No, that's you know

[1:07:59] » exactly what we perceive may be different than the public. Well, that's

[1:08:03] sort of why I ask about the tribute because that would be uh unbiased and

[1:08:09] done by, you know, people that have no vested interest, you know, and it'd be

[1:08:13] an objective result and um I would be surprised if they said it's going to

[1:08:17] make the safer. That's just that's my opinion. You know, I think it'd be uh

[1:08:22] very helpful for the city to get an independent opinion because like I said,

[1:08:27] when someone is mowed down, there's going to be defense lawyers that

[1:08:31] are going to be asking all these questions and when you have they don't

[1:08:34] have good answers, you know, we're all going to be on the hook.

[1:08:38] » That's not a place we want. And we don't I don't see anyone injured. That's long

[1:08:43] before the police streets I even heard of it. You know, I see these people and

[1:08:49] they're attending their little toddlers, you know, their little buckets and

[1:08:52] they're crossing more street and he's like, "Yeah, these cars coming down.

[1:08:55] They can't even see him until they're on."

[1:08:57] » Mhm. >> And I just think it's a miracle that no

[1:08:59] one's been whacked yet. That's um you know, my neighbor who's

[1:09:04] been on the plane board uh shares that opinion, but I I don't

[1:09:09] really think >> so. The traffic has picked up over the

[1:09:11] past decade, you'd say, and it's growing. It's going faster along that

[1:09:16] road. >> Uh I can't I don't I don't know. I don't

[1:09:19] know. I just there most people drive it's 35. I go in that stretch about

[1:09:25] maybe if 30 you know because I'm just a conservative driver like to be safe but

[1:09:31] you know vehicles you know speed limits 35 that means I can do 40 and never get

[1:09:35] a ticket. That's a fact. And [clears throat] I can see how they come

[1:09:39] down that little hill >> and and in the other direction when if

[1:09:43] there's an 18-wheeler and a speeding car coming over that hill at the same time

[1:09:46] and there's people they don't intermingle

[1:09:50] and um I as much as I you know like I said

[1:09:55] I've been trying to get to the point where I think oh this is great

[1:09:59] uh because it is inherently dangerous my view and I just don't think this makes

[1:10:05] it staper you It's entire supposed to be nor cars as nor bikes, pedestrians

[1:10:13] on a street with no distinction in the level between the roadway and these

[1:10:18] pedestrians and limited sight lines. And that's

[1:10:22] something that you know I don't think it's overcomeable. That's the geography,

[1:10:27] you know, the that curve and that's just that's just that part of war to that

[1:10:32] curve down the street. It's a almost it's like a 70deree turn. Well, there

[1:10:36] was a you know there years ago it was the standard that all roads in Rockport

[1:10:41] at least would be 18 ft wide for fire trucks, right? So that's that's our

[1:10:46] emergency response public safety why we have the roads that

[1:10:52] we do. >> What's

[1:10:57] that April 16th was going to be our meeting until we switched it to here.

[1:11:01] That's the one really the joint meeting is the 16th.

[1:11:05] » But this one came from Orion. >> Mhm.

[1:11:07] » Yeah. >> He set it up first.

[1:11:08] » Oh, so that's okay. So we're hosting. >> Yes. Okay.

[1:11:12] » Yeah. Are you able to be here then? >> Yeah.

[1:11:14] » Okay. >> I'd like I'd like to ask as you as you

[1:11:20] progress with your initiatives and the comp plan that you keep us informed or

[1:11:24] if there's questions, raise that question, especially through your select

[1:11:29] board member. question.

[1:11:31] » If there's a question on the on the eight topics that you're dealing with as

[1:11:37] a as a uh committee for the comp plan, if please keep us informed if there's

[1:11:43] changes, okay, >> things that need to be addressed. I want

[1:11:45] to make sure that we keep we're going to go through the select board, keep them

[1:11:49] updated. >> Yeah. And plus, I think we want to go to

[1:11:53] the select board in June. Um has anybody made that request? Oh, Michael, remember

[1:11:58] we said we wanted to go talk for the SLboard. We wanted to have our

[1:12:02] committee and that would be after

[1:12:09] it would be June 10th. Remember

[1:12:16] » see could be

[1:12:23] » take my garbage pack. >> Thank you. Appcate. Thank you, Orion.

[1:12:29] » I don't know who brought the chocolate, but it was um

[1:12:32] » it was consumed. [laughter]

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