September 8th, 2026 Regular Council Meeting

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[8:04] Chambers for invocation. If you're able, if you can stand, we can be do our
[8:09] pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[8:15] United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
[8:21] under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[8:26] » Thank you.
[8:33] » At this time, I'll call to order our Rober City Council meeting.
[8:41] agenda. Can I get a a motion for our agenda adoption?
[8:48] » Even though Miss Johnson is not on the agenda tonight, I will move for
[8:53] approval. It's unusual not to see Lauren Johnson's name on here. So,
[8:56] » there are items on the consent agenda. >> Oh, yeah. There you go.
[9:01] I'll move for approval. Second motion. Make sure your mic's on. Motion
[9:07] been moved by Councilman Chandler, second by Mayor Prom Outlaw. All in
[9:11] favor say I. >> I.
[9:13] » Those opposed. >> The eyes have it. The motion is carried.
[9:18] We're down to our consent agenda.
[9:25] Chief torain, is any issue coming up with the ISO inspection later this year?
[9:50] Yeah.
[10:06] How about the tower?
[10:26] We didn't work on it for a couple weeks out.
[10:53] Chief Hes or maybe I should ask Mr. Ford this question. I don't know the the new
[10:57] motorized bike law. Do you see any adverse effects for us here on that?
[11:06] Councilman Chandler, as previous discussed, we are seeing an increase in
[11:09] it in the city. I think once the law goes into effect, we work with
[11:17] public information.
[11:24] I appreciated that little picture or diagram that showed ebike, moped, and e-
[11:32] motorc. I didn't know there was e motorcycles.
[11:39] I guess I was just concerned.
[11:48] » You shouldn't be riding on the sidewalk. >> Not even bicycles. If you're in the
[11:53] street, I just have ridges.
[12:13] » Thank you.
[12:16] » So, we're still having the rag issue.
[12:26] You might want to explain that, Mr. Phillips.
[12:28] » It doesn't matter.
[12:35] » We have an industry in town that keeps denying that they are responsible for
[12:43] rags being in our sewer system, wastewater system. As it says here, um,
[12:53] ongoing rag accumulation in the RA, which is
[12:56] » return active sludge >> and W, which is
[13:02] » okay. Pumps. So, requiring staff to pull all four
[13:08] pumps and two pumps approximately every other day to remove accumulated rags and
[13:14] prevent the pump from overheating. So, that's what we're having to deal with.
[13:18] out there. Our folks are having to take their time to
[13:25] pull stuff out. >> And we're not accusing them of all of
[13:29] them. >> That's correct.
[13:36] » More than they should. >> I'd like to add feminine hygiene
[13:41] products and flushable wipes. They're not actually flushable, folks. Please
[13:45] don't flush those. And please don't pour grease down your
[13:49] drain either. It's not good.
[13:59] » What's the water? Are we pumping water? >> Not actively.
[14:11] We are down to 17 at city.
[14:18] » You turn them on at 24.
[14:24] » Unless we get something not going to be too far in the future.
[14:33] » July 31st.
[14:42] Y'all pray for rain. Make sure you do that as well.
[14:49] » We need some rain.
[14:53] » Sure.
[14:56] » All right, that'd be good.
[15:01] Any more comments?
[15:07] Hearing none. Can I get a motion for our consent agenda?
[15:12] » May I make a motion to approve the consent agenda?
[15:15] » Second. >> Motion by Mayor Pro Tim outlaw and
[15:20] second by council member of Congress. Senator general been approved. All in
[15:24] favor say I. I. >> Those opposed.
[15:28] The eyes have motion carried. We are down to our recognition at this time
[15:34] and we have three
[15:38] but two really we
[16:03] I would like for Chief Torain and Chief Hess to come.
[16:08] Major Gil, can you come too? Thank you.
[16:22] I am reading a proclamation for the city of Roxboro for 911 day of remembrance
[16:28] 25th anniversary. Whereas in an unprovoked and senseless
[16:33] act of terrorism, four civilian aircrafts were hijacked on September
[16:38] 11th, 2001 and crashed in New York City, Pennsylvania, and the Pentagon resulted
[16:45] in a momentum loss of innocent US lives of all heritage. And whereas while we
[16:52] still continue to recover from the the loss of innocent lives, the spirit of
[16:57] the United States has been re revitalized, given ways of expression
[17:02] and patriotism and whereas inspired by the hero hero herois heroism of our
[17:10] nation public service personnel, military service members and countless
[17:16] volunteers. our nation found unity and strength. And whereas from the tragedy
[17:21] of September 11th emerges a strong nation renewed by the spirit of nation,
[17:27] national pride and true love of country. And whereas Americans also have fought
[17:34] back against terror and by choosing to overcome evil with good by loving their
[17:40] neighbors as they would like the to be loved, contributing to relief efforts
[17:46] and volunteering their time to aid those in need. Now therefore, be it resolved
[17:52] that we, the Roxberry City Council, do hereby proclaim September 11th, 2026, is
[17:58] the 25th anniversary of the attack of 911 and also the 911 National Day of
[18:04] Service and Remembrance in the City of Roxboro, and urge our citizens and
[18:09] recognize the hero heroism and firefighters, rescue, law enforcement
[18:13] personnel, military service members, and the many volunteers who responded to the
[18:18] tragic event which courage selfless
[18:23] and compassion deterior deter determination and skills and to remember
[18:29] the victims of innocent lives lost as a result of the tragic event of September
[18:34] 11 2001 adopted this the 8th day of September 2026 and I want to shake you
[18:40] all's hand and thank you for your service
[18:46] thank
[18:51] Let's give them a hand.
[19:06] I recall that day so well. I was working at the sheriff's office. Uh Sheriff
[19:10] Oakley at the time was down there. He said, "Y'all come here and look." We all
[19:15] ran back to his office and saw what was going on. And I have to have to take my
[19:19] daughter to the dentist in Durham that day. And uh from here to Durham, I was
[19:24] looking all over the skies making sure no planes coming down on the highway to
[19:28] hit me on 501. So I remember that day so well. Thank you all for your service.
[19:34] I was this get me signed when Miss Linda come back. So we'll get to you then.
[19:40] also like to do the proclamation constitution week September the 17th to
[19:45] the 23rd 2026. If you ladies will come.
[20:01] We thank you all for coming today for this proclamation
[20:06] proclamation constitution week September 17th to the 23rd 2026. Whereas September
[20:13] the 17th marks the 250 239th anniversary of the drafting of the
[20:20] Constitution of the United States of America by the Constitutional
[20:24] Convention. And whereas it is fitting and proper and accord official
[20:28] recognitions to this magnificent document and its memorable anniversary
[20:34] and to the patriot celebration that will commemorate commemorate the occasion.
[20:39] And whereas public law 915 guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year
[20:46] by the president of the United States of America designating September the 17th
[20:51] to September the 23rd as a constitutional week. Whereas the Thomas
[20:56] daughter, the Thomas person chapter of the Daughters of American Revolution
[21:00] celebrates this document that established our government and a
[21:03] reaffirm the individual liberties that our forefathers fought and died for. Now
[21:10] therefore, I Cynthia C. Petty, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor
[21:15] of the city of Roxboro, do hereby proclaim the week of 17 September 17th
[21:20] through the 23rd as constitutional week in Roxboro, North Carolina and ask our
[21:25] citizens to reaffirm the idea of the farmers and the constitution in 1787
[21:31] by vigilizing protecting and the freedom guaranteed to us through the gardening
[21:37] of our liberties. Remember that lost rights may never be regained. And I
[21:44] thank you all for coming. >> Thank you.
[21:46] » Yes, ma'am. Thank you for coming.
[21:55] » I told uh Cynthia that last time when I you did the Declaration of Independence
[22:01] Proclamation, I didn't say anything and I thought I needed to say something to
[22:05] tonight. I'm going to say something to her and the city council. The Thomas
[22:10] Person chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution wishes to thank
[22:14] Mayor Cynthia Petty and the Roxboro City Council for proclaiming the historic
[22:20] signing of the United States Constitution on September 17th um 1787.
[22:26] The D pi petitioned Congress in 1955 to set aside this specific week
[22:34] September 17 through 23rd which was then signed into law in 1956 by President
[22:42] Dwight David Eisenhower. This observation aims to remind people
[22:47] that the Constitution is the foundation of American life.
[22:52] that we want to encourage the study of historical historical events surrounding
[22:58] the cre uh creation and we want to emphasize the duties of citizenship.
[23:04] Thank you. >> Thank you.
[23:24] Our
[23:35] next recognition is the Roxboro Area Chamber of Commerce leadership of Per
[23:41] County. We recognize you all. We thank you so much for being here and we glad
[23:45] you came and you got some questions probably answered that you probably
[23:48] hadn't even thought about or might wonder why we do what we do. But it's a
[23:52] reason for everything that I know. And we thank you all for coming and we hope
[23:57] you learned something since you've been here.
[23:59] Have you? Okay. It's okay. Well, we thank you all so much for that. We We
[24:04] appreciate you coming.
[24:08] » Excuse me.
[24:12] » He said something just made me sorry. At this time, we're down to our public
[24:20] comment period. Time is set aside each and every month meeting to to any
[24:26] citizen to have an opportunity to address the city council concern
[24:30] concerning city matters with the exclusion of an agenda item uh listed in
[24:36] the public hearing or orders matters. If you wish to speak during the public
[24:40] comment period, we require you provide your name, address, and contact
[24:44] information to and and speak that when you go to the podium and tell us what
[24:49] your concern is. We just only have one person signed up today. That's Miss
[24:52] Wanda Robertson.
[25:00] » My name is Wanda Robertson. I live at 1428 Pointer Street.
[25:06] My phone number's 3365982367.
[25:13] Email Wanda Robertson 27@gmail.com.
[25:20] The reason I'm here is we need some no parking signs down
[25:26] there. And I've addressed several people. They said that we needed
[25:30] ordinance. Okay. Park Street and School Street both have
[25:36] them. I'm in the middle. And we've got one man that he don't want
[25:40] to put his stuff in his driveway. And if it's had rained anything, I have ruts. I
[25:46] know that's the city's property right there, but I have to maintain it. The
[25:51] man I have to mow my grass, he pulls in the driveway like he's supposed to. this
[25:58] guy that owned a house at 1425.
[26:03] He parks it on the street. Uh, Captain Ford, can I get you in this?
[26:09] Captain Ford called him one day and tell them what he told you. Did he talk nice
[26:16] to you? Tell the truth.
[26:20] » Huh? >> He wasn't going to listen to what you
[26:24] said, right? wanted to know.
[26:32] » I didn't know he asked you that. But anyway, I wish y'all would consider
[26:38] several no parking signs down there. Um, from Porner Street going around Park
[26:45] Street, some people they park right there in
[26:49] that curve because it'll be so many people at 1432.
[26:53] They they park in the curve right there and that's dangerous.
[26:57] I've seen several people do that. So, if I could get y'all to okay some signs to
[27:03] put down there, I sure would appreciate it.
[27:10] All right. Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you coming.
[27:13] » Yes, ma'am. >> Is anybody else in the audience would
[27:16] like to comment when it's public comment time?
[27:21] Seeing no other public comment is uh closed at this
[27:25] time. We go to our next order of business is uh public hearing ordinance
[27:31] matter budget amendment financial director Janelle Moore.
[27:48] » Good evening council. Good evening. >> Before you tonight is your budget
[27:53] amendment one for fiscal year 2627 and it is to appropriate the FEMA money
[27:59] that was received in the prior year for the Haiko Creek pump station repair.
[28:04] This repair came in um a little under 290,000. I'm asking for the um even
[28:10] number there for clean bookkeeping records.
[28:24] just moving from one fund to another. >> Uh we're basically recognizing it. Um so
[28:30] it um was given to us in the last fiscal year. And so in order to recognize it
[28:35] for this year, it has to go in as funded balance appropriated because we received
[28:38] it in the prior year. >> So So it went in the fund balance. Now
[28:41] we're having to pull it out. >> Yep.
[28:44] need to pull anything out. But I know >> I I agree. Yeah. I don't like doing it
[28:48] either, but for this project, >> that was what it was designated for.
[28:52] » Yep.
[29:00] » Mayor, I make a motion that we approve budget amendment number one.
[29:03] » Second. >> Moved by Council Phillips,
[29:07] second by Councilman Channel. We approve uh budget amendment number one. All in
[29:12] favor say I. >> I. I
[29:14] » Are there any opposed? Eyes have it. Budget carried. Motion
[29:19] carried. We have no old business at this time. We down to our new business. Miss
[29:23] Moore might as well stay there. Um with the request for funding for
[29:28] personal veteran council. >> Um back in July, the person um veterans
[29:35] council sent a proposal to us um requesting $1,000 for the first
[29:41] responders memorial. Um, I'm bringing this to council for
[29:46] your approval um to use the remaining uh allocated money in the community support
[29:53] line of $1,000 to um be directed towards the person veterans council.
[30:01] » That fund you just mentioned is say that again.
[30:05] » Um so it's uh the community support line. Um, so you will have uh you
[30:11] approve community support items that are given to you in the budget process. Uh,
[30:17] and there's money set aside for those allocations. Uh, and this year there
[30:21] just happened to be $1,000 left uh, or reserved in that fund.
[30:26] » I think that's where the >> Yeah, that's what I was going.
[30:29] » Yeah, that's where Y
[30:36] » just left over. No effect. I'll make a motion that we approve.
[30:41] » Second. >> Moved by Councilman Phillips, second by
[30:44] Councilman uh Bran.
[30:49] We express the funding for the first veterans council is approved. All in
[30:52] favor say I. >> I.
[30:54] » Any oppose? I have a motion carried.
[30:58] » I think it's pretty much finished now as well.
[31:01] » Yes, it is Friday. >> It's Friday. I'm not going to be in
[31:04] town, so I got to ride by. It's later in the evening, I believe. It's late.
[31:08] » Six o'clock. >> Six o'. Yeah.
[31:11] » Okay. Capital lease funding 2026 2027. Miss Moore.
[31:17] » Um my as the finance director, I'm bringing forth um a intention to uh
[31:25] bring forth the capital lease funding for the year 2627.
[31:29] Uh so it is intended to borrow funds for the purchase of three police admin
[31:33] vehicles, one K police K9 vehicle, one fire BC truck, three truck, one Vermeier
[31:41] chipper, and one Godwin vox salt spreader. Uh these amounts were approved
[31:49] to be financed in the original adoption of the 2627 fiscal year. Uh the details
[31:55] uh of these capital leases will be finalized leading up to the designated
[31:59] LGC meeting as determined by the LGC staff. In order for this financing to
[32:05] take place, um it's requested that myself, the finance director, and Brooks
[32:10] Lock Cart, the city manager, be authorized to complete the financing
[32:13] arrangements on behalf of the city with the the details to be reported to city
[32:18] council at the corresponding council meeting after the termination from the
[32:22] LGC. RFP RFPs will be sent to out to local financing entities if approved by
[32:29] council. This information will then be reviewed by the LGC staff and will be
[32:34] assigned a presentation date to council after their review.
[32:44] » What do we typically see once we actually order these vehicles? How long
[32:49] does it typically take for us to receive them?
[32:53] It's been variable. Um, so with the state contract vehicles, there was a
[32:59] huge lag a couple years ago, but it's that's resolved. If we were talking
[33:03] about a fire truck, like a full-on engine, you're talking a year plus build
[33:07] still. Uh, but we're talking you're not talking a fire truck, you're talking a
[33:10] battalion chief truck, which is a stock truck. Um, so I wouldn't imagine a huge
[33:15] turnaround on most of these items. U Chief Pest, I believe your vehicles are
[33:20] a four month process or roundabout a four month process. Um and then the
[33:26] Vimir Chipper and the Godwin V Vbox um actually would be available as soon as
[33:32] we were ready to say yes. Um the gentleman has actually been reaching out
[33:37] to our um public works uh superintendent about ordering. Um but you know, we have
[33:43] to wait for approval. So that's right.
[33:50] So you just need permission to send out the RFPs
[33:54] » and to act on behalf of the city. >> Move for approval
[34:00] that second move by Councilman Phillips second by Mayor Pro Tim outlaw with
[34:09] approve of them to check on the RFPs for these uh capital lease funding. Miss
[34:14] Moore and Mr. Phillips. All in favor say I.
[34:16] » I. >> Any oppose?
[34:19] Eyes have it. Motion carried. Now we're down to update the job description. Miss
[34:24] Pamela Rogers. >> Pam, you can stay at the deis if you
[34:28] want. You have a microphone. >> Let me take notes for you. M.
[34:40] » Is it on? Yes. Here we go. Um, good evening. Um so tonight for your
[34:45] consideration you have uh three job description updates. Um as you know and
[34:51] you are familiar with in the public services department we have a division
[34:54] that's referred to as public utilities. You know what that means? That is the
[34:58] the division that does the water and sewer line maintenance, water meter
[35:02] reading and things like pump stations, things like that. While we currently
[35:06] have titles in that department of public utilities worker, public utilities uh
[35:11] crew leader, the superintendent and supervisor are called utility
[35:16] construction superintendent and utility construction supervisor. Um those are
[35:21] throwbacks to uh quite a while ago. Um and we don't do as much construction now
[35:27] and it's a little confusing. Um, so we're just asking uh staff is asking
[35:31] council um permission to change those names to public utilities superintendent
[35:36] and public utilities supervisor um to follow suit with the division that
[35:40] they're in um and make any changes um referenced in other job descriptions
[35:45] where it just says that is who they report to that we would update that
[35:48] throughout. Um and the third one is the lead meter reader job. Uh we have in
[35:54] addition to if council approves changing the supervisor title um have asked to
[36:00] change some of the wording and take out some of the things in here to uh align
[36:04] with our current practices um and expectations of that job. Um this job
[36:09] had not been updated since 2007 the job description and the practices have
[36:15] changed though since then in the last 20 years. Um, so we're asking for those
[36:21] updates as well and I'll be glad to answer any questions that I can.
[36:27] » I'm assuming we just pull these from, you know, the the titles are typically
[36:32] what we're seeing across the board at other cities more or less.
[36:36] » I think so. I think they um they did that and then along with what they were
[36:40] doing at the time, they they had those names.
[36:43] » Thank you.
[36:51] May I move for approval as presented by M. Rogers?
[36:54] » Second. >> Move by Councilman Chandler, second by
[36:58] Councilman Brand for the approval of the update for the three job description.
[37:02] All in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Eyes have it. Motion's
[37:06] carried. All right. Down to the resolution
[37:10] to declare surplus. Chief H.
[37:18] Good evening, madame mayor, members of council. Before you is a resolution
[37:22] requesting to surplus three police cars that are 12 and 14, 12 and 13 years old.
[37:29] Um, we typically keep them for 8 to 10 years, so they've exceeded their useful
[37:33] life. Uh, and the beauty of this is we're asking them to be surplus to the
[37:37] Vance Granville Community College, which is where we send all of our new hires
[37:41] for the police academy. Uh, and so basically our employees uh, and other
[37:46] police cadets would be able to use these vehicles for the statemandated driving
[37:51] training uh, in the police academy. And so we're kind of paying oursel forward,
[37:56] if you will, by having the vehicles available for law enforcement training
[38:00] at the community college. >> We get a break on tuition if we do this.
[38:06] » Sure. We can have a conversation. >> Amen, brother. If you weren't donating
[38:10] them to VC, VGCC, would we be selling them for our surplus program to our
[38:17] » Yes, ma'am. The city's processes to put them on gov deals, and we generally get
[38:20] about $1,000 or less for a police car of this age.
[38:24] » Okay. Thanks.
[38:34] I move that >> I move that we uh move forward with the
[38:39] resolution to declare the surplus for the GCC BL program.
[38:45] » Second move that council congress second by mayor pro Tim outlaw the resolution
[38:51] to declare the surplus of advanced grammar community college program. All
[38:55] in favor say I. >> Any opposed? Eyes have it and motion is
[39:00] carried.
[39:03] Next, we're down to the special event parade information homecoming veterans
[39:07] and Christmas. Chief head. >> All right. So, since Miss Lauren's not
[39:11] here, I apologize. I don't have the soft voice that she has and I don't uh have
[39:15] the beauty of appearance that she has. So, as I'm up here for an extended
[39:19] period of time, bear with me. Uh before you is a request for the homecoming
[39:24] application. Council may remember a couple years ago we modified the day and
[39:28] time for public safety reasons. This year we met with staff members from the
[39:33] school along with the sergeant for the school resource officer, Sergeant
[39:36] Charlotte, and came up with a joint public safety plan to try and mitigate
[39:40] some of the public safety concerns that were presented over the years. That
[39:43] information is before you uh in the packet.
[39:49] The proposal this year is to have the homecoming parade on Friday, October
[39:53] 9th, beginning at 4 pm with street closures starting at 3 p.m. to allow us
[39:58] to try and clear vehicles from the roadway and to have them set up. We'll
[40:03] utilize the traditional July 4th parade route. So, they'll stage on Morehead
[40:07] Street like the July 4th parade does and then start down Main Street to Merit
[40:12] Commons. The COI is included. There are no conflicting special events or food
[40:16] trucks scheduled. Important to this plan is staff from Person High School has
[40:22] agreed to help notify businesses for the no on street parking. Uh in in the years
[40:28] past, we had cars that were parked on Main Street and then as the student
[40:32] walkers were going down the road, traffic was driving into the parade and
[40:37] so you can imagine that's a public safety nightmare and a liability concern
[40:40] for the city. So I appreciate the high school staff being willing to do that.
[40:44] I'm also going to work with emergency management to get one of those message
[40:47] board signs to remind people not to park on the street uh after 3:00 that day. As
[40:54] mentioned, the sheriff's office has agreed to assist with road closures and
[40:57] the parade safety rules are in the packet. I would ask that um council
[41:04] would include the contingent joint public
[41:08] safety plan that's in your packet uh for this parade.
[41:14] I'll entertain any questions you may have.
[41:26] » Any questions? >> Are we sure there's no buses that would
[41:29] need to go down that rout? >> Yes, ma'am. I've talked with the public
[41:33] schools and RCS. Uh Bethl Hill has agreed to alter traffic uh bus route for
[41:40] Uptown and RCS has agreed to make public announcements um to alter student
[41:45] traffic leaving RCS.
[41:58] Are some of the students going to bring their um
[42:02] loud trucks and the Will you call them those front high
[42:08] » Carolina squatters? >> Yeah.
[42:09] » Not in this parade. They won't. >> Okay. Thought maybe they might
[42:15] » since that seems to be who drives those things.
[42:17] » You were correct. My heathen was one of them back in the day.
[42:21] » Who's that? >> My heathen.
[42:24] » That's a child.
[42:28] » He's out of high school now. He don't have it anymore.
[42:35] Do you need each one of them voted on separately?
[42:40] » That's your discretion, madame mayor. I can go through all three of them or we
[42:42] can do them independently. It's your discretion.
[42:44] » Questions, huh? >> She see if we can do them all together.
[42:47] » Okay. Okay. >> All right. Any other questions on
[42:50] homecoming? >> Mark, how do you feel about the
[42:52] insuranceances? >> Look good to me.
[42:54] » Okay. I looked at >> you know
[43:06] All right, the next one before you is the Veterans Parade. The manager is
[43:10] passing a policy declaration that was received today at 4:45.
[43:17] Um, we have been asking for the COI or an insurance binder. This is what was
[43:21] produced. The Veterans Parade is proposed for
[43:27] Saturday, November the 7th at 10:00 a.m. with road closures beginning at 8:30 to
[43:32] accommodate parade setup. Uh it utilizes the traditional July 4th route in
[43:37] reverse. So it will start at Merit Commons and end at the history museum.
[43:43] Uh
[43:46] policy declaration is before you for consideration. I will say historic to
[43:51] this particular special event, the Veterans Council has always had
[43:56] difficulty getting us a COI uh included in the packet for your presentation, but
[44:02] have always been able to get us the COI in hand 30 days prior to the parade
[44:08] starting. Something to do with the particular insurance company that they
[44:12] have is what's been explained to me, but we've always had a COI in hand.
[44:16] There are no conflicting special events or food trucks scheduled. Uh several
[44:20] public safety entities have agreed to assist with resources for road closures
[44:24] and the parade safety rules are in effect. Happy to entertain any
[44:28] questions. >> This one page here that says additional
[44:32] insured owners that last
[44:36] » Yes, sir. >> page that that covers everything I see.
[44:40] » All right. Thank you for that. If if they issued a certificate, it wouldn't
[44:44] it automatically includes anybody that's requiring a coverage be added as
[44:51] additional issuers by contract. >> Okay. Thank you. That's very helpful.
[45:01] » Any other questions on the Veterans Parade?
[45:06] » Seeing none, the last one for you is the annual JC's Christmas parade. It's
[45:11] proposed for Saturday, December the 12th at 2 PM with road closures starting one
[45:16] hour prior. Uh it will utilize a traditional tra uh parade route. COIs
[45:21] included uh parade safety rules are in effect. The public's reminded there's no
[45:25] parking along the parade route and consistent with what we've done in
[45:29] previous years. We'll put out numerous public service announcements and work
[45:32] with emergency management for the message board. Happy to entertain any
[45:36] questions.
[45:39] I just have one question about this and this is just probably Brooks, you can
[45:42] answer this. There's no there's no issue with the pri the primary contact being a
[45:47] city employee, right? >> Is that going to have any effect?
[45:51] » No, they did not get special treatment. That would be the only concern somebody
[45:55] might have is that we're giving them special approval. Okay.
[45:58] » But historically, we've given them approval.
[46:00] » Sure. >> Prior to that being a city staff member.
[46:02] So, I think the appearance of conflict is negligible. and they're not
[46:07] financially benefiting from that individual is not personally financially
[46:10] benefiting. >> Okay. I just didn't know if there were
[46:12] something with insurance, city insurance. I didn't want to get over
[46:15] that.
[46:24] » That's how much happened to situation. She just happens to be
[46:29] » Well, yeah. I just wanted to make sure we didn't we didn't, you know,
[46:33] we don't see there's any issues with that.
[46:42] Any other concerns for the chief?
[46:48] » I move that we approve all three parades.
[46:52] » Second. >> Move by Councilman Brian, second by
[46:55] Councilman Chandler. We approve the homecoming, the veterans, and the
[46:58] Christmas parade. All in favor say I. >> I.
[47:02] » Any nays? The eyes have it. The motion is carried. Thank you, council.
[47:05] » Thank you, Chief. We're down to a WLFPO project, Mr. Lockhart.
[47:12] » Thank you, Mayor.
[47:19] So, the watershed wershed and flood prevention operations project, we are
[47:24] putting out an RFP. We're asking council's permission to put out a
[47:26] request for proposal for engineering services. Staff is seeking council
[47:30] approval to issue the attached request for proposals for engineering services
[47:34] to evaluate and develop an environmental assessment for the purpose of flood
[47:39] prevention in the Marlo's Creek WHED specifically targeting the Tanard branch
[47:44] corridor as authorized and funded by the National Natural Resource Conservation
[47:51] Service. This will be a follow-up to the previously completed preliminary
[47:56] investigation findings report or PIFFER which and it will weigh all the
[48:01] alternatives and ultimately will end result with proposed methods to address
[48:06] the flooding and sinkhole concerns. Following the completion of this
[48:10] project, it is the city's anticipation to seek additional federal funds to
[48:15] construct, implement, purchase, and ultimately address those
[48:21] issues. Traditionally, the proposal would be evaluated and scored by a team
[48:25] of city staff, possibly bringing um some expertise from the county as well with
[48:30] the intention to bring a recommendation to the council for your approval.
[48:42] Is the Marlo Creek watershed connected to the Tanard branch?
[48:46] » Tanyard branch is part of it. >> Yep.
[49:02] I move that we accept the requests for proposals
[49:09] for the funding engineer services. Engineering services.
[49:17] » Moved by council car, second by mayor pro Timlaw for the approval for the
[49:22] request for the proposal for engineered service. All in favor say I. I.
[49:27] » Any opposed? I have a motion carrot. resolution seeking funding for inflow
[49:34] and infiltration repairs. >> U mayor, on the previous item, I did
[49:38] want to note that is being federally funded. So that engineering is not being
[49:43] paid local dollars. That is federal dollars.
[49:45] » Thank you for that clarification. >> Sorry, I didn't I buried the lead there.
[49:50] On the next item, resolution for seeking funding for inflow and infiltration
[49:53] repairs. Uh once again, staff is seeking council approval on the attached
[49:57] resolution. The city intends to apply for funding to assist with the design
[50:02] and construction of a large section of the Marlo Creek Outfall sanitary sewer
[50:06] rehabilitation project. This project is being spit split, excuse me, into three
[50:12] phases with phase one completing the abandonments of an old 15-in sewer main
[50:17] that were identified in the 2020 AIA project to reclaim system capacity due
[50:23] to inflow. Basically, an old leaky line that left in the ground we're going to
[50:26] take out of service completely. plug it. Um phase two um or phase one also
[50:33] includes point repairs to eliminate potentially large contributors of
[50:36] inflow. And these work areas were also identified in the 2020 sewer AIA study.
[50:43] Phase 2 consists of approximately 6,000 linear feet of sewer rehabilitation via
[50:48] cast and place methods and includes manhole rehabilitation.
[50:52] The phase one and phase two project areas generally parallel Main Street
[50:57] from Memorial Drive to uh Brader Street. Phase three continues higher in the
[51:02] drainage basin from approximately Brader Street parallel paralleling Marlo's
[51:07] Creek to Oxford Road being approximately 16,000 linear feet. Phase three would
[51:12] include cast and place rehabilitation, manhole rehabilitation and dig and
[51:17] replace basically removal of line and complete replacement in where warranted.
[51:22] The phase three uh portion was extensively studied in 2018 2019.
[51:27] The resolution does not commit the city to spending any funds or accepting any
[51:31] funds, but it does serve as a notice to council that its staff's desire to apply
[51:34] for funding while designating or affirming authorized representatives,
[51:39] myself, that can sign on behalf of the city. We've applied for these funds in
[51:43] the past, this past spring, and we were not awarded uh funding due to other
[51:47] applications being in more severe disrepair due to our lack of reported
[51:52] sanitary sewer overflows. the application. Uh we have I don't know if
[51:58] it's good news, but we have additional sanitary sewer overflows that have been
[52:01] reported to the state that are going to be part of this application.
[52:04] Um which will hopefully increase our chances for funding. So staff is
[52:09] requesting council to approve the attached resolution and authorize staff
[52:12] to execute any related documentation.
[52:20] » Raiders
[52:27] near. >> Yeah,
[52:41] » you're right. You're right. >> Got a subject matter expert.
[52:49] » Okay.
[52:52] B R A D E R >> T
[52:55] » B R A T >> T E R.
[53:03] » I move that we approve the resolution for seeking funding for inflow and
[53:07] infiltration repairs. Second
[53:11] » motion by Council Member Brand, second by Councilman Channel for the approval
[53:16] for the seeking the funding for the inflow and infiltration paired by uh
[53:23] county city manager Lockard. All in favor say I. I.
[53:27] » Any opposed? I have it. Motion carried. Okay, we're down to the contact approval
[53:33] for no new work order software. >> Uh thank you, mayor.
[53:39] Staff is seeking council approval for the attached contract for services for a
[53:43] work order software called asset essentials. This would replace our
[53:47] existing software while adding multiple uh subdivisions, not technically
[53:52] department subdivisions and the ability to geotag work projects for the
[53:56] integration into our mapping. The software would allow us to convert our
[54:00] public services functions from paperbased work order system to a cloud
[54:04] hosted system that could be remotely accessed and provide real-time reports
[54:08] on our activities. For example, this past year, Rox was selected by the state
[54:13] for an audit on our pal activities. The supporting documentation
[54:18] of the work completed was saved onto a local computer or local machine which
[54:23] became corrupted. We were unable to have its data recovered and due to lack of
[54:27] supporting documentation, we had to file an amended claim with our annual PAL
[54:31] bill report. Effectively, our books now show uh more restricted fund balance
[54:36] which lowered our unrestricted fund balance. The cash is still the same. It
[54:40] didn't change any money. It just changed how money was categorized.
[54:44] Um the city is currently in contract with a a firm called I Works, which is
[54:50] pronounced I Works spelled with a Q though. uh for work orders related to
[54:55] building and grounds for the scheduling and for the scheduling of vehicle
[54:59] repairs at the garage. This contract has ballooned to $10,000 annually and was
[55:04] only providing non geollocated services to a limited list of work functions
[55:08] which were building grounds and scheduling using it as a scheduling
[55:12] software for the garage. During budget planning, staff evaluated
[55:16] other options which could do more for less funds. We included an amount for
[55:20] Eyeworks in the budget and had contacted them to cancel our contract three months
[55:25] prior to the end of our fiscal year. The contract was apparently not on our
[55:29] fiscal calendar and our cancellation did not meet the contractual three-month
[55:34] notification clause for terminating services. We did
[55:39] herang them very hard and got them to cut their bill in half, though. So,
[55:42] their bill went down to $5,000. uh we will be cancelling effectively if
[55:48] council approves us implementing this effectively immediately if porting any
[55:52] data. We explored better options and were able
[55:55] to get assets to essentials to agree to a six-month contract for $3,139.13
[56:02] a onetime implementation fee of $2,246 for a total of $5385
[56:10] for the current fiscal year. There are adequate funds available to make this
[56:13] switch now. Future annual payments are shown in the contract document, but
[56:18] begin next year at 7,846 annually with a sliding adjustment of 3%
[56:23] for the next 5 years. If the deployment pro uh proves fruitful, the city
[56:28] consider putting up a public facing reporting feature which can assist in
[56:32] documenting infrastructure concerns. So, you know how a lot of communities have a
[56:37] report, you have a broken street here or something. Uh we can if if we like how
[56:42] this works, we can then integrate that. That would be an extension at a later
[56:46] date. Um staff is requesting council approve the attached proposal for
[56:50] services and to authorize staff to execute any related documentation.
[56:56] » Would the public facing reporting feature cost more?
[57:01] » Most likely it would open up more access. Um but at this time what we
[57:05] really the main thrust we're wanting to get from is converting from our paper
[57:09] documentation for work orders to a digital a clouds save digital base. So
[57:14] we are part of the data center problem if we went to this model. Um but it is
[57:19] it is more reliable and able to do reports on the fly and it also
[57:23] geoloccates so we can do heat mapping. Um, so it's Brian, do you want to add
[57:30] anything or did I cover it pretty much
[57:36] and thank you for coming up?
[57:46] Good evening, council and mayor. Um that's all
[57:51] just to uh give you an idea how it will help the public utilities and public
[57:57] works department. Uh say u a resident calls in a water leak. Um it will
[58:04] automatically go to the public utility superintendent
[58:09] and he will be able to put that on the schedule, plan out the repairs. he can
[58:14] look after we get enough um data entered into the system, we can know what size
[58:22] line it is, we'll be able to locate where the valves are to cut the water
[58:26] off. Um after they get done with the repair, they can transfer it to the
[58:32] public works department so they'll know to come out and do a an asphalt repair
[58:37] or curb and gutter repair, sidewalk repair. They can take pictures, they can
[58:41] take images, put it down, and it just it it's better communication within it. And
[58:47] as Brooke said, it will help with the audit. Um the pile bill, they want to
[58:54] they want to know where we patched, how much we patched, how much asphalt we
[58:59] used, how many people were in on job site. They want to know all this
[59:05] information. And right now it's just it's write it down, write it down, keep
[59:10] a log. This would help organize and keep everything
[59:15] » simpler. >> And I'd like to add to that when the
[59:17] fiber companies hit our lines, which they have done as they've been deploying
[59:21] fiber throughout the community. Um, this will track how many manh hours we had,
[59:25] who worked the job, what their pay rate. We could put their pay rates in there or
[59:30] or at least have HR then take the hours and and calculate the pay rates, but we
[59:35] can get much quicker a turnaround to get a claim on cash against these companies
[59:39] that are doing damage to our infrastructure, which is another big
[59:43] valuable piece because it we have been uh it's not fast for us to get that
[59:47] turned around currently. and somebody from finance could generate
[59:53] that report and not have to bother somebody in the utilities crew because
[59:57] they've already entered their data. >> It will also help with um cut off time.
[1:00:03] Yeah. >> When water meters are being cut off
[1:00:06] » on and off. >> Right now the crews have to come back to
[1:00:08] city hall to get the information and then go back out and then once they take
[1:00:12] care of those four or five they come back they think they're done. Well, they
[1:00:16] get sent back out. They'll have tablets with them and they'll be able to read
[1:00:21] from those tablets. It'll be automatically updating so we'll know
[1:00:25] that they can stay in the field and be more efficient that way.
[1:00:30] The >> tablets included in this price.
[1:00:32] » We already have the tablets. We're currently using them. Meter readers have
[1:00:36] data enabled tablets. Now, if we expand further in other departments, no, we
[1:00:40] don't have currently any additional technology added like smartphones or
[1:00:44] tablets, but it may be something we might want to consider. data enabled
[1:00:47] tablets at some point for other but I think utilities owns the meter readers
[1:00:53] own two and I believe there are two the utilities we have that we're paying for
[1:00:59] that we're not currently utilizing to full potential
[1:01:05] and this would encourage them to use those
[1:01:09] I'm looking but there's a lot of terms here do you know what the uh when we
[1:01:14] must uh unsubscribe subscribe from the service
[1:01:19] » if we have to give them a 60 or 90day notice.
[1:01:21] » I'm looking through here. There's a lot of lot of terms.
[1:01:24] » 25 pages. Yeah. I don't know off the top of my head. You'll have to give me a
[1:01:27] second. Um >> I would just say that we might want to
[1:01:31] put that on our calendar just in case it doesn't work out the first year. We
[1:01:34] » we come out with our money in hand. >> That's fair.
[1:01:38] » If this information is stored in the cloud, do we have a backup? like if you
[1:01:43] stop using this system, does all our data go away or how does that work?
[1:01:48] » So you would you would export it. So typically they have the ability to
[1:01:53] export your data. Um one thing we're going to do is integrate with the
[1:01:56] county's GIS office. So that she's going to be scraping data as we go into the
[1:02:02] GIS data or at least not into the public facing GIS database, but we'll have data
[1:02:06] scraped as we go. So we'll have access to that data.
[1:02:11] Um,
[1:02:16] that's a scope document. There it is. Um,
[1:02:23] we're we're signing up for a 57-month term.
[1:02:32] » We're locked in for six years. >> Five years. Yeah.
[1:02:38] » Not quite five. >> Yeah.
[1:02:40] and they're giving us uh three months for free um in addition to
[1:02:44] » So it is a 60 month >> essentially. Yeah, we'd be on it for 60
[1:02:49] months. Yeah, that's correct.
[1:02:54] » But again, if they don't meet the terms in the contract, they're in breach.
[1:03:03] They didn't have a shorter term. And I'm only asking because I don't like to be
[1:03:07] locked into anything. If it doesn't work, I'd like to
[1:03:10] » Sure. So, okay, here we go. So, as far as
[1:03:15] exporting the data, can extract data be migrated from existing source system
[1:03:18] into CVS or Excel files, which are common separated values.
[1:03:23] And then, um, we actually had asked for a longer term. The reason we did um is
[1:03:29] because we could get the price point down. So, we're currently paying $10,000
[1:03:33] a year for the software that we are not utilizing the full potential and we're
[1:03:38] not happy with. And this is a market improvement um because it can integrate
[1:03:43] geotags and can integrate with the GIS. We give the county um GIS technician
[1:03:49] um access a seat at the table. They've actually been on the demos. Um
[1:03:55] » so, we'll be going from 10,000 to 700. >> That's right. 7,800.
[1:04:00] But in year one, it's 5 it's got an implementation fee. It's 5,300.
[1:04:05] So there is it's going to be hitting right now. It currently hits the garage
[1:04:09] and building primarily building and grounds and the garage. Um we we will
[1:04:14] put this most likely in contracted services and public services for now and
[1:04:19] then eventually we'll spread it out over utilities, the the units that are using
[1:04:23] it essentially for future budgetary years.
[1:04:27] Uh the group that was chosen for this, I'm assuming it's because it fit our
[1:04:31] budget, but have we heard of our counterparts using this group?
[1:04:35] » Uh yes. So you may know this software under different names. Um it was
[1:04:40] previously known as facility dude. Then it became utility cloud. Now it's owned
[1:04:45] by Seammens and they call it asset essentials. Uh we did we did talk to
[1:04:51] other people that are using it and they had very good feedback.
[1:04:56] All seen's other products are good for the most part.
[1:04:59] » Well, they also are doing fire sprinklers, believe it or not, too.
[1:05:03] Like, I've run into them doing fire sprinkling services. So, they got their
[1:05:08] hands in everything.
[1:05:14] » Any other questions?
[1:05:21] the software is only going to be you as good as our staff's utilization of it.
[1:05:26] If we don't follow through and actually use it, it's wasted money.
[1:05:31] So, there's there's very much an um onus is on us to make sure we're getting the
[1:05:36] maximum value of our dollar. >> You think we'll use it? It'll be
[1:05:42] beneficial. >> It's going to take a time. It's going to
[1:05:45] take some time to get up to speed. After we get up to speed, it's going to be
[1:05:49] very beneficial because it's looking after the next generation.
[1:05:55] Right now, we're in we had the the great tsunami come in where everybody retired
[1:06:00] and they took all that knowledge with them. If we can get it documented and it
[1:06:08] it'll show you. I mean, I can give you a tablet and you can go locate a water
[1:06:12] meter in Helena or toward Mayo. You all you'll have to do is pull it up and look
[1:06:19] at it and it will take you and geollocate you where it is.
[1:06:23] » So, essentially saves time. >> That's right. And it forces us to have
[1:06:28] this work order system which again helps us with other accountancy issues and
[1:06:33] accountability. So, one thing you know people call in right now they call the
[1:06:36] clearing house. Well, the clearing house then writes it down on a board and then
[1:06:40] gives or shoots an email, gives that over to that division. This will be more
[1:06:44] instantaneous. The clearing house can just key this in and then they don't
[1:06:47] have to reproduce the work order. They just go and do the work and then they
[1:06:50] say this is who did it. This is how many hours they spent doing it. uh we can
[1:06:54] take a picture and better inventory and again the valves if we find a valve
[1:06:59] because we with lack of knowledge um we we've been experiencing this in the
[1:07:04] utilities specifically where some of that institutional historic knowledge
[1:07:09] may not have been documented as well as it should have been and it we've had
[1:07:12] trouble locating valves sometimes when we maybe shouldn't have had had that
[1:07:16] trouble. Um, but having it clearly defined and documented is going to be a
[1:07:22] huge benefit. And it's not because anybody isn't doing
[1:07:26] their work or historically didn't do their work. It just this forces us to be
[1:07:31] more accountable to ourselves in the future.
[1:07:34] » And we are locked in that to that price, the 7,000.
[1:07:37] » Yeah. There's a schedule. It goes up every year by 3%.
[1:07:42] » Okay. Because letter K says they can they have the right to increase the
[1:07:45] fees. So, you said a 3% increase every year.
[1:07:49] » Yeah, it's it's there's a chart in here. There should be a chart in here.
[1:07:52] » Yeah. >> Yeah.
[1:07:54] » Those are the terms. >> Yep.
[1:08:05] And again, we're paying we've been paying 10,000 for a inferior product.
[1:08:19] May move for approval if there's no other questions.
[1:08:23] » Second. >> Moved by Councilman Chandler, second by
[1:08:29] Councilman Phillip for the contract approval for the new uh work order
[1:08:33] software. All in favor say I. >> I.
[1:08:36] » Any oppose? Eyes have it. The motion is carried. We're down to the
[1:08:40] administrative report. Our finance director, Janelle Mo.
[1:08:55] » Good evening again, council. >> Good evening.
[1:08:57] » Uh, tonight you're being presented with the financials as of July 31st.
[1:09:02] The general fund revenues exceed expenditures by 1,231,337.
[1:09:10] In comparison to the prior year, expenditures exceed revenues by 29,
[1:09:15] excuse me, let me get my words right. Revenues exceed expenditures by 29,798.
[1:09:23] That seems like a very big number. And I'm going to preface this with an
[1:09:26] explanation before I get to the fund balance piece of it.
[1:09:30] The contributors to the position that we're in at this moment is a reduced
[1:09:35] cost in workers compensation and departments understanding that just
[1:09:40] because July 1 rolls around that they can purchase everything has made a huge
[1:09:45] impact. We also received double the amount of tax revenue in the month of
[1:09:50] July compared to the prior year. So that's where that big difference comes
[1:09:54] from and it's going to generate the fund balance that you'll that I'll talk about
[1:09:58] in a second. The water sewer fund revenues exceeded
[1:10:02] expenditures by $228,450.
[1:10:07] In comparison to the prior year, expenditures exceeded revenues by
[1:10:11] 244,198. Now, as of July 1st, we it we had done a
[1:10:18] 21% water increase. I caution you because that is not reflected in this
[1:10:23] number. Okay? that money that is budgeted for in that 21% increase will
[1:10:30] not hit until September because it goes out in the August bill, which is your
[1:10:34] July consumption. Just wanted to preface that as well.
[1:10:39] The fund balance for the general fund is at 30.03%.
[1:10:45] Prior year comparison was 12.93%. >> And that's unedited.
[1:10:52] » That is unaudited. Yep. And so that's where that big jump right there comes
[1:10:56] from. The double of the tax that we've gotten and then those other contributing
[1:11:02] factors as well. And as a reminder, that's a snapshot in
[1:11:07] time, not something that will stay where we hope it stays, but you'll see it
[1:11:12] fluctuate over time. The fund balance for the water sewer
[1:11:16] fund is at a 17.41% 41% and the prior year comparison for that
[1:11:21] was a 7.17%.
[1:11:25] There any questions on the financials?
[1:11:35] » Just to make sure I'm clear on this, when you said taxes, you're talking
[1:11:39] about property taxes. >> Yeah, property taxes,
[1:11:41] » not sales taxes. >> Yeah, property taxes. And I when you get
[1:11:43] to the when I get to the tax report in a second, you'll see that percentage.
[1:11:47] Yeah, you'll see the percentage.
[1:11:54] If there's no other questions, I'll move to the tax report.
[1:12:00] Uh, so the percent of collection as of July 31st, which of course is one month
[1:12:04] into our fiscal year, is at a 6.11%. Prior year comparison was a 3.8%. So
[1:12:10] that's where you'll see those revenue numbers come from.
[1:12:14] » 240,000 of that. >> Yeah.
[1:12:18] » Question.
[1:12:23] You don't have a year on this.
[1:12:28] » 24. The middle one. Is that 24?
[1:12:35] 91.67. That's the That's not
[1:12:41] That's >> that the middle.
[1:12:43] » Oh, the middle one. I'm sorry. That is supposed to be the 2020. Those dates
[1:12:46] should be switched over. So, when editing the spreadsheet to present to
[1:12:51] council, 2025 should have moved over and it should have said 2020.
[1:12:54] » It should be over that middle. >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:12:56] » So, 25 should be right here. >> Yeah. I mean, the 9167
[1:13:03] » that is for that is as of 2025. the 25 tax.
[1:13:09] » It had to be bigger than that for us to meet budget. Didn't it have to be 98
[1:13:15] something? >> Yeah, one of my numbers must change.
[1:13:18] Yeah, I believe if I recall correctly, we were at the 99%.
[1:13:21] » Yeah, >> as of the end of the fiscal year. So,
[1:13:24] that column just something changed in that column.
[1:13:27] » Okay. >> But yes, you are correct. 2025 should be
[1:13:30] year 26 and then this is should with there's some uh added uh collections
[1:13:36] with DMV and everything. >> Okay.
[1:13:43] » Editing those documents for year over year to update them is very complicated.
[1:13:50] » Sorry. >> No, you're good. I'm glad you I'm glad
[1:13:53] you caught the mistake. Keep me honest. >> It's not what I want to hear from a
[1:13:58] finance officer. >> But it means they're paying attention,
[1:14:01] too. But I don't do it on purpose. Any more questions for Mr. Chanel?
[1:14:11] Hearing none, we're down to our manager's report in Western Dave. Mr.
[1:14:16] Lockart.
[1:14:19] Thank you, Mayor. Uh, first I'd like to call your
[1:14:22] attention to a piece of paper that was handed out to you all. It should be at
[1:14:26] your seat. It's a spreadsheet. Doesn't have any context, but we're about to get
[1:14:30] into it. Um, so just hang tight and I'll run
[1:14:35] through the dates on your calendar. Uh, the next council meeting um will be on
[1:14:40] the 13th of next month. So, apologies for not putting the month on there. Um,
[1:14:45] the um fall litter sweep is Saturday, September 19th, meet at city hall at 8
[1:14:51] a.m. Kurtar banquet. Uh, they are uh Mark Mark emailed you all a follow-up
[1:14:58] email, but they want to get some firm commitments. they do not have the
[1:15:02] numbers registered that they need in order to justify holding the event. So,
[1:15:06] if you do plan to attend, uh please let us know. Uh let Clerk Clayton know or
[1:15:11] myself and we'll make sure that you get uh registered. Personality um is October
[1:15:17] 3rd here in Uptown Roxboro, 10:00 a.m. to 4 p.m. Remember, it went to a one-day
[1:15:21] event. It's just going to be on Saturday uptown.
[1:15:26] cruise in is this weekend um from 2 to 5 uptown and I believe uh
[1:15:33] Dustin is the museum thing happening this weekend as well?
[1:15:36] » Yes, the museum um American history uh living American history for A250 is
[1:15:43] at the museum off Main Street. I believe it starts at 10:00 a.m. Saturday morning
[1:15:49] and runs till about 2. Uh but the tree there's a tree dedication at noon. Uh
[1:15:55] and Carrie has asked that as many of us can be there as possible would be great.
[1:16:00] I know that uh me and the mayor have already spoken. I know that she has
[1:16:03] another obligation that day on behalf of the city. So I'll be
[1:16:09] » I'll be on the way back in
[1:16:15] » Excellent. All right. So back to the spreadsheet I handed you all. Water
[1:16:20] hauling operations have been completed. MBbridge subcontractor has been paying
[1:16:25] monthly and the final invoice has been issued. Here is here's the accountancy
[1:16:31] and the totaling. So they anticipated before we started they were going to buy
[1:16:36] 16 million gallons of water. Um they started out their initial plan was to do
[1:16:41] that hauling in June. They actually delayed. So they got hit with the water
[1:16:45] rate increase. Um our our bulk rates went up. So half of this water got built
[1:16:50] at a higher rate than the rest of it. But it's still like $9.50 per thousand
[1:16:55] gallons, which is higher than the residential rate, which is around $55 to
[1:16:59] $6. So they the bulk rates do pay more. Um but they wound up buying 18 million
[1:17:05] gallons of water at a billable of $167,947.
[1:17:11] Um, we had anticipated bringing in 12 and budgeted bringing in 125,000 from
[1:17:16] these sales, which was going to go then to pay for the Stories Creek lift
[1:17:21] station or pump, excuse me, lift stations, sanitary
[1:17:25] sewers lift, uh, lift station repairs. Um, which actually, Brian, they came in
[1:17:31] under budget, correct? >> So, we paid about $100,000. So, that
[1:17:36] means 67,000 is going to fund balance. And you know, I know there was a lot of
[1:17:43] concern on social media. I will say commercial vehicle and commercial trucks
[1:17:48] pay they pay a higher rate the the the tax
[1:17:53] rate on the fuel which goes to the maintenance of those roads. DOT
[1:17:58] coordinated with them. They did not take loaded or weighted trucks. So the water,
[1:18:03] the reason they were driving a giant circle was because they couldn't take
[1:18:07] the loaded trucks with the water on them across some of those bridges without
[1:18:11] concern from DOT. So they they went around those bridges in question. They
[1:18:15] could bring empty trucks back and fill back up, but we had them take from the
[1:18:20] least impactful place that wouldn't disturb would impact the least amount of
[1:18:25] folks in our community. And all overall, it was a public safety matter. They were
[1:18:30] testing the the soundness and the ability for those tanks to hold weight,
[1:18:35] which is why they chose water because it was a cheaper option than dumping
[1:18:38] natural gas on the ground if something went wrong. Um, so they were testing to
[1:18:43] make sure that those were settled properly and we were glad to sell them
[1:18:47] water.
[1:18:51] We are currently selling water to Dominion Energy uh on the west side of
[1:18:56] the county that they're building a large uh gas line that goes to Haiko Haiko
[1:19:01] plant. It's going to service those gas turbines. They are currently buying
[1:19:05] water out in the western part of the county from us as well. So, we are aware
[1:19:09] of that. We have had some issues with water theft over the last several
[1:19:13] months. Uh but those people have been cult. Um if you see something, say
[1:19:18] something. So, if you see somebody and it doesn't look like they have a meter
[1:19:21] that's been issued from us, let us know. We'll get over there and we'll check it
[1:19:25] out. We'll have law enforcement uh have a polite conversation with them.
[1:19:29] » And I can attest that that will happen. >> Called Chief Hess about one that I
[1:19:36] thought I couldn't see a meter
[1:19:39] » and he was down there within minutes.
[1:19:43] » Yep. >> Turns out they had the meter. They had
[1:19:47] it up on the tank rather than
[1:19:52] but it was just in a spot where you think
[1:19:56] that could be somebody trying to steal. >> Yep.
[1:20:00] » Well, our first theft that came to our attention happened right in front of one
[1:20:03] of the county commissioners and a chief one of the chief deputies houses and
[1:20:07] then beyond that was right in front of one of our our members of our fire
[1:20:11] department's house. So, it's been very easy to peg the people that have been
[1:20:15] not not paying. Um, we we've had some interaction. So,
[1:20:20] just wanted you all to know. >> Is that a fine or is that a what what's
[1:20:24] the >> It's actually a misdemeanor. Correct,
[1:20:27] Chief. >> Yes, sir.
[1:20:32] » Yep. And we can find them up to three times the damage amount.
[1:20:37] So, how do we if they've got the water in that tank already,
[1:20:44] do we guess how much it is and charge them for it?
[1:20:46] » So, I'll give you an I'll give you an example. So, these fiber companies are
[1:20:50] running 500-gallon tanks. 500 gallons. We're charging $9 for 1,000
[1:20:55] gallons. It's $450. It's $4.50.
[1:21:00] The issue though is when somebody doesn't properly operate the hydrants on
[1:21:04] the system and they break. So, the one who was stealing water on East Roxboro
[1:21:09] caused a lot of people to be out of water and did in excess of how much
[1:21:13] damage, Brian?
[1:21:20] » So, they wound up costing $12,000, which they've been summarily in invoiced for.
[1:21:25] That's where this work order software comes in handy, too, because we can get
[1:21:28] that number turned around a lot quicker. It's all related.
[1:21:35] All right, moving on to Shantel update spillway updates. Additional survey work
[1:21:40] was completed this past week. Um the relief gate valve at city lake. FEMA has
[1:21:44] approved the submission for 22,000 uh 151,590
[1:21:50] is federal for the relief gate valve at city lake. The funds have not been
[1:21:55] received as a writing report and last month the council did approve us to
[1:21:58] authorize the contractor move forward the minute those funds are received. So,
[1:22:01] thank you council for that. Category C. Um, these funds have advanced to pending
[1:22:07] DIU final validation. This is filing is for 5% of the current FEMA obligations.
[1:22:13] Taking this 5% will not require us to track our manh hours, but it's prime
[1:22:16] it's to reimburse us for time spent by staff uh managing this this event. Um,
[1:22:22] the total amount of this submission is going to be $229,825.
[1:22:28] So that will be money that the city's already incurred on my salary, on
[1:22:32] Brian's salary, on the lake warden salary, on Sammy salary, and we'll be
[1:22:37] able to basically reimburse ourselves. That will go into effectively into the
[1:22:42] enterprise fund fund balance. Um, Western sewer update, the monthly
[1:22:48] meeting was held August 27th, and the next one will be held on September 24th
[1:22:53] at 9:30. Uh at this point 100% of the gravity 24-inch gravity man is
[1:22:58] installed. 94% of the 18inch gravity mains installed. 95% of the manholes are
[1:23:03] installed. The gravity zone of course is that uh area from the wastewater
[1:23:07] treatment plant north of Samora road. There's no change from the previous
[1:23:11] months on the gravity section. Uh work is primarily underway with with boring
[1:23:16] um to connect. 78% of the forest man as of August 27th was completed of the
[1:23:22] 16inch forest man. 30% 36% of the lift station work has been completed. There's
[1:23:28] been no change on that. Two ARVs have been out of the five have been
[1:23:32] installed. Trenching is currently underway. You may see them on Chub Lake
[1:23:36] now. They're actually starting to put that pipe underneath the road. And
[1:23:40] trenching at Leburg Road is currently underway this month as well. Um, I will
[1:23:45] note they did have a m safety concern and you'll you can read about that in
[1:23:51] your report that is attached from SJ Lewis. U, they did have a a safety
[1:23:56] issue. Uh, that did that only led to three day three days of stop work. Uh,
[1:24:02] they were back on the on the job moving the job forward. They're still uh way
[1:24:06] ahead of schedule. And um, there's one other thing to note.
[1:24:13] The county did approve um and they've they're in receipt of
[1:24:18] invoices and they are cutting us a check for the full amount. The state has
[1:24:21] confirmed that there are no additional funds.
[1:24:27] » I just sent y'all a text of a picture. I happened to be on Snake Road the other
[1:24:34] day and stopped I was stopped there and that's just what I happened to see. If
[1:24:41] you look at that picture,
[1:24:46] » I mean it was just perfect. Just send that to Labella.
[1:24:52] » Now, does our insurance get pulled for this incident they have?
[1:24:57] » No, >> that's theirs. They have the contractor.
[1:25:01] That's part of our our contract with them is they have they have full uh
[1:25:05] general contractor's liability. It it's theirs. It's it's not our employee that
[1:25:09] was involved in this. >> And my last question is about the water.
[1:25:14] We we sold 18 million gallons, but then the city lake is low and then Lake
[1:25:19] Roxboro is low. Does that have an effect on that?
[1:25:23] » Yes, of course, if you sell water, but I'll give you an example. Right now, we
[1:25:28] currently are treating we're selling about 1.2 million gallons a day, but
[1:25:32] we're treating three. So an economy of scale, we have to treat
[1:25:36] more water than we actually sell. So there is water on the system that's
[1:25:41] sitting. This helps us to turn over the water and it's actually a good thing
[1:25:45] that we have a larger draw at the end of the system because we're not having to
[1:25:48] open those hydrants and let that dump out. So that's why we did have them take
[1:25:52] from the point they did because it led to better water quality. Uh essentially
[1:25:56] lowering the age of the water that was in that line sitting stagnant that
[1:26:00] wasn't being turned over as much. Um, is it optimal? Do the optics look bad on
[1:26:06] it? Yes, you sold 18 million gallons when we're in a drought. Uh, but I will
[1:26:10] say as far as water supply, you will note that while Raleigh and Durham were
[1:26:15] underwater restrictions, we never implemented any because we didn't need
[1:26:19] to. We have two lakes and if you look at our historic sales going back to the
[1:26:23] year 2000 when CNA was here, CNA was buying more than the entire city
[1:26:27] combined. We used to sell double what we're selling now. So, we're still very
[1:26:32] much in adequate supply. Not something I want to advertise to Durham or Raleigh
[1:26:37] so they get any ideas, especially not the general assembly. That is our water
[1:26:42] that they don't need to know about that we have adequate supply.
[1:26:52] » Another question for Mr. Lockheart.
[1:26:58] » Thank you, Mr. Lockheart, for your >> Thank you, Mayor. Okay. Mayor and
[1:27:02] council report. Um, economic development. Mr. Lard and
[1:27:07] myself did make that uh meeting the head, but we had to leave because we had
[1:27:12] a meeting ourselves. Anybody have anything? Uh, Miss Congress, you have
[1:27:16] anything for animal services? You have a reporter at all?
[1:27:20] » At this point in the year, they have euthanized, 1183
[1:27:24] dogs. Um, that was last year. I believe they euthanize about 1,500 and so we're
[1:27:31] all we're almost to that point and so just bringing awareness is kind of
[1:27:36] important. They are um euthanizing dogs that can't be adopted because of
[1:27:41] aggressiveness is what they what they're saying. Um so
[1:27:45] anyway, just bringing that up. And there's another rabies clinic coming up.
[1:27:48] I apologize I don't have the dates in front of me. Um there's another rabies
[1:27:51] clinic coming up. Um they've been coming to the farmers market with dogs as well
[1:27:55] trying to get some dogs adopted out. Of course they need volunteers
[1:28:00] um at the shelter and so it's pretty much it for animal services.
[1:28:05] » Okay. Thank you for your reports. >> Yes. Met uh last Wednesday mayor and uh
[1:28:13] you if anybody's noticed there there were two I think they've gone back now
[1:28:17] but there were two new buses in the parking lot over there. they had to send
[1:28:21] them back because of things that were left out that uh that they are back in.
[1:28:27] They will not be getting any new vehicles that aren't already pre-ordered
[1:28:32] this year because none of them met the mileage.
[1:28:36] » Um
[1:28:39] trying to think they are fully staffed which is
[1:28:44] very good. And
[1:28:49] there was there was Mr. Bran and I had had a discussion
[1:28:54] about something that it sounds like that the county may say
[1:28:59] that not not the position I have on the patch board but any position it uh like
[1:29:05] Mr. Brand is a representative of the Chamber of Commerce that those type
[1:29:11] positions are not going to allow elected officials to occupy those spots more
[1:29:16] than likely. They hadn't been completely voted on yet, but that is a possibility
[1:29:21] that u that that won't be allowed anymore. But but the city members, the
[1:29:27] city role on there and the county role on there will will remain. While I'm
[1:29:31] going, mayor, I'll go ahead and do um education foundation. We we did meet
[1:29:35] today. >> Okay.
[1:29:36] » Uh the new director uh Sherry Crabtree uh led led the meeting today.
[1:29:45] Um and we'll be starting the fundraising
[1:29:49] for everything for this year. Last year we g
[1:29:54] it was overund 101,000 and some dollars in scholarships and it'll be at least
[1:29:59] that much again this year if not more and hopefully more. There'll be more
[1:30:03] stuff coming out about ways that the community can assist in that and as far
[1:30:08] as applying for scholarships as well. >> That' be good.
[1:30:12] Okay, Mr. Phillips, you got three avenues.
[1:30:17] » Well, Chief's association did meet
[1:30:26] just went over some
[1:30:32] 911 issue, CAD issues, PCC classes,
[1:30:40] talked about the September 11th cruise in and personality discussing.
[1:30:49] Nothing earthshattering came out of it. But she had anything to add to that,
[1:30:54] Chief Toad.
[1:31:00] And then Rama, I guess I'm going to have to talk to to Larry to see if he's ever
[1:31:05] going to meet again. >> But
[1:31:09] what was the third one? >> Carter.
[1:31:14] » Cartar. We did have one meeting
[1:31:19] in July.
[1:31:25] Fortunately, it was a remote meeting and I thought I even sent
[1:31:30] her. Diane Cox is is to me an amazing
[1:31:35] administrator. She gave a report that anybody would be
[1:31:39] proud of. Concise, right to the point and just
[1:31:45] which was given a report of all activities going on within not just
[1:31:49] person county.
[1:31:53] Mayell was Harper Person County Senior Center was on there to to give a
[1:32:02] report. Apparently they and I'll tell this story because when
[1:32:08] she was done, one of the council members,
[1:32:12] I think it was one of the cartur staff asked her to tell of a situation that
[1:32:16] she she had I guess orchestrated. There was one of the
[1:32:24] members, I guess, some old person like me that was a regular there didn't show
[1:32:30] up for a couple of days. >> Oh, yeah. I heard this story.
[1:32:35] » Oh, did you? >> Mhm.
[1:32:38] » Did you follow up on that, Chief? >> Yes, sir.
[1:32:41] » Well, they went to the house cuz she was just
[1:32:45] concerned. And so the short story of it was they called the police and then they
[1:32:52] they couldn't get in or wouldn't get in or whatever, but when they left or
[1:32:57] whatever, they contacted the owner of the house. They got permission to break
[1:33:00] in. Found a lady lying in the bathroom. They've been there for a couple of days
[1:33:06] and they were able to get her. She was she's alive. She wasn't well at that.
[1:33:12] » She's still in the hospital. >> She's still in the hospital. I talked to
[1:33:14] May one day last week, but she just had one of those gut
[1:33:20] feelings that something was wrong, you know,
[1:33:24] prescriptions that hadn't been picked up, notifications, wouldn't answer the
[1:33:28] phone or whatever. >> But you want to give a little follow up
[1:33:33] on that? >> So, I did look into the matter. There
[1:33:38] was some information shared on scene that diminished the
[1:33:48] gentleman that showed up on scene was aware that she was supposed to or would
[1:33:52] normally be with a friend at
[1:34:01] that
[1:34:12] But she wouldn't let it go. It just >> That's good.
[1:34:16] » Yep. >> That's good. Have you heard anything for
[1:34:21] a nominee for from the council for Carter?
[1:34:26] » I haven't. I don't know if staff has done anything. If y'all want to nominate
[1:34:32] somebody, that's fine. >> We did two big ones a couple years ago.
[1:34:36] Um, >> yeah.
[1:34:38] » I know we did one last year. >> Yeah. And we did. Yeah.
[1:34:42] » I I think they're looking for anything right now.
[1:34:46] » Okay.
[1:34:51] » Okay. Miss uh Mayor Pro Tim. >> Hello. Um, no, I did not attend the
[1:34:57] meeting. I am currently >> in the process
[1:35:02] » of um RGR for my store. But with that being
[1:35:08] said, I do want to say that McDonald's will be a personality. We will have
[1:35:12] Grimace out there um giving kids some treats and stuff. So October 3rd,
[1:35:22] » man, they're coming to see if I'm doing a good job.
[1:35:25] » Oh,
[1:35:29] do we need to go down there and have a rally or something for you?
[1:35:32] » Yeah, absolutely. Come on, Chief. if you come to
[1:35:35] » I got you back. >> I know. That's right. Always
[1:35:38] » I work undercover down there.
[1:35:42] » We also have coffee with a cop coming up with y'all too in October.
[1:35:47] So, I'll let y'all know more about that when I know more about it.
[1:35:52] » Okay. >> I believe it's October 8th.
[1:35:56] » Okay, Councilman Brian. >> All right. So, just uh quick couple
[1:36:00] things just as a reminder. We talked about the museum event that is this
[1:36:04] Saturday from 10 to 2 I believe afterward there's also a cruise in
[1:36:08] uptown >> correct. So it's going to be a fun field
[1:36:12] day up town with a lot not as much parking as usual. Um so just be aware of
[1:36:17] that. Plan accordingly. So um for the chamber just a brief update on the
[1:36:22] chamber. September 11th uh from 6:00 to 7:00. This is just in our notes from our
[1:36:26] chamber board meeting. It's first county first responders memorial dedication.
[1:36:30] September 12th from 11 to 12 is the Hillsstead farm ribbon cutting cutting
[1:36:36] that we talked about. And what that is, if you don't know, it's more like an
[1:36:38] aggra tourism farm to bring kids uh to pick pumpkins to uh enjoy all the
[1:36:45] outdoor activities there. And I believe uh Miss uh Mayor Petty is going to be
[1:36:49] representing us there. Um October 3rd is personality, of course. I
[1:36:56] think most most of us all know that. Now, just as a reminder, the band will
[1:37:00] not be Friday night. It will be Saturday evening in front of the courthouse. So,
[1:37:04] that'll be pretty neat. Um, October 16th, there's from 1 to 2, there's a
[1:37:11] house of I think it's Phil Empowers. I don't know if anybody's heard of that
[1:37:16] yet. Anyway, it's a ribbon cutting. I just got the invitation for it. And then
[1:37:22] I know it's far out uh but November 12th 5 to 10 is the annual uh bingo night for
[1:37:29] the chamber which is one of the uh largest fundraisers the chamber puts on
[1:37:33] annually which is going to be at the Carolina state.
[1:37:37] » Okay. >> It's usually a good time.
[1:37:39] » Yeah. And I didn't uh have a meeting with the senior citizens so I didn't
[1:37:45] have anything I don't have anything to report. Uh anything for council
[1:37:49] discussion? Mayor, I did have one thing to point out. I received an email this
[1:37:54] afternoon from uh uh
[1:37:59] County Commissioner Wilburn uh related to leadership summit. They have
[1:38:04] scheduled a meeting on October 29th
[1:38:10] and they have not set a time or location at this time. But that again is um
[1:38:18] the joint meeting similar to what we did last year with the housing summit and we
[1:38:22] did the other one. So that is again the EDC is reaching out to us about so just
[1:38:27] mark on your calendar the 29th. >> Okay.
[1:38:30] » At this point no location or time has been determined.
[1:38:32] » That's October 29th. >> October 29th. I imagine it would be in
[1:38:36] the evening. >> Do you have any do you have any updates
[1:38:41] on oneonone person court? I believe it's Heritage Circle Apartments.
[1:38:47] » Uh yes. Um so our code enforcement has investigated some complaints. Um so
[1:38:59] that is person court essentially that's right
[1:39:03] behind um Roxboro Housing Authority, but it is a it is a privately managed uh
[1:39:08] public housing community there. Um they have they had an issue where their mower
[1:39:13] broke. So they did have high grass and there's been some Facebook social media.
[1:39:17] There have been some complaints about some issues inside some of the the the
[1:39:21] residents. Actually spoke with Mayor Pro Tim about this earlier this last week.
[1:39:26] Um but we have case three cases active investigations that are open with our
[1:39:31] code enforcement officer. They have been directed to mow their grass and I
[1:39:35] believe they were making a due effort to try to do to address that. Uh, as far as
[1:39:39] the individual units, um, you know, we do have to be let into those units. So,
[1:39:44] the the complaintant needs to get allow us access in order to document. But what
[1:39:49] ultimately rises to a true minimum housing standard there there has to be
[1:39:54] there's a state definition for that. Uh, and it appears what they're talking
[1:39:58] about would not necessarily rise to that. Uh, but the property manager has
[1:40:02] been notified of all the concerns uh, with the expectation that they would
[1:40:06] address them.
[1:40:10] There's nothing to find them for at this point. They have So, everybody has due
[1:40:14] process when we notice people of a violation, but first we have to find a
[1:40:17] violation. So, there there is a process. They have due process just like anyone
[1:40:22] else. Um, and they've been given their notice on their grass. They clearly are
[1:40:26] in violation there. So, the process goes like this. We tell them your grass is in
[1:40:30] excess of 12 in. We send a code enforcer. The code enforcer documents
[1:40:35] it. They have an issue. they have an ability of time to resolve the issue
[1:40:39] that then comes they have a hearing. Um then after that if they don't resolve
[1:40:44] the issue then we start assessing fines and we'll actually get to the point
[1:40:47] where we send someone over to mow it and then we'll bill them. If they don't take
[1:40:51] the bill then we'll attach that as a lead to the property. So very convoluted
[1:40:54] and that's just grass. The other two complaints aside um so no we have three
[1:40:59] cases open. I think that's the best way to to leave that at this point. We've
[1:41:03] heard the complaints and we have followed up on them accordingly.
[1:41:06] Yes, ma'am. >> Okay.
[1:41:09] » Who owns it? But we own that state.
[1:41:20] » Yes. >> State.
[1:41:22] » That is a state road. >> That's a state road.
[1:41:24] » Yes, sir. >> Court Street.
[1:41:28] Is that one of ours? Couple of rough spots on Court Street and I've had some
[1:41:36] complaints about Reams Avenue. >> Remes is getting really bad.
[1:41:40] » It's It's getting bad. >> Are we talking about the road?
[1:41:43] » Yes, ma'am. >> But that is that is the state
[1:41:46] » and that's a EMS uses that a lot too. >> You can land a plane on that. It's so
[1:41:51] wide. >> We use send word to state, hey, what
[1:41:58] y'all doing? What are you not doing? We know what
[1:42:02] you're not doing.
[1:42:06] » You want me to go talk to them? I'll be glad to.
[1:42:09] » No, of course. We'll we've been notified of concern. We'll bring it to their
[1:42:13] attention a question, but you can also talk to them that you're right.
[1:42:17] » I report some ribb cutings that I've taken part of u the New Horizon Academy.
[1:42:23] Uh August the 13th, August the 14th, quarantine physical therapy. August the
[1:42:29] 16th, the person county intern nomination prayer vigil was held. August
[1:42:35] 20th, the Roxboro Satma Awards annual awards banquet was held and our chief
[1:42:41] toran was the recipient for the 2026 uh uh Satoma annual awards banquet. So
[1:42:48] he's for his service that he does here. So I was proud to be there for that.
[1:42:53] groundbreaking for Mayo and AJ Transport Services. Councilman Phillips and myself
[1:42:58] was there for that. Roxboro Community School 20th anniversary
[1:43:03] uh uh Councilman Bran Phillips and myself was there and um you were
[1:43:10] » okay and u uh Councilman Phillips was the speaker for that occasion. and I've
[1:43:16] attended the the Baker's uh boxing club celebration for the women's defense
[1:43:21] class he had on September the 1. And on uh September the 4th, I saw Councilman
[1:43:27] Brand and Council Cars for the Arts Eats and Beats and myself. We was celebrated
[1:43:33] that. So that's all my activity. I saw your car, but I didn't see you.
[1:43:40] » He was in the car. >> I was listening at the music and with
[1:43:44] his daughter music. >> Yeah.
[1:43:48] So, any other activities for the council?
[1:43:51] » Mayor, and it may have been mentioned to Miss Robertson, but I did want her to
[1:43:54] know we don't generally where we can't really take any action on something
[1:43:58] that's in public comment, but it is under advisement and we will be looking
[1:44:02] into your request.
[1:44:05] » Yeah, that's we we just couldn't do that tonight, but we we will look into that.
[1:44:12] » We we've written it I've got it written down.
[1:44:14] » Yeah. I just wanted you to know that we didn't just listen and not
[1:44:21] » Oh, you I'm surprised you stayed this long.
[1:44:26] And when you was looking at somebody else, I thought you looking at me and I
[1:44:31] start
[1:44:36] » where those streets are. I ask
[1:44:41] » you the council discussion
[1:44:47] » here. None. Uh we now going into close session for North Carolina's general
[1:44:54] statute 143.318.186
[1:44:59] for personnel. Can I get a motion? >> I I'll make a motion we go to close
[1:45:03] session. >> Okay.
[1:45:04] » Second. >> Okay. Been motion proper second. We go
[1:45:07] into close session. >> Two minutes.
[1:45:09] » I'll make the note that there is no action for council to take after this
[1:45:13] close session. So we'll simply reconvene in order to adjourn. But if anybody was
[1:45:18] concerned about anything happening after the close session, there's no intention
[1:45:21] to do so. >> Okay. Well, thank you so much.
[1:45:32] » Come on. >> Yeah.