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[7:51] » Okay, welcome everyone to the a August 25th, 2026 city council work session

[7:56] meeting. Our meetings are public and you're welcome to join us in person or

[8:01] by watching from the council agenda page. You can watch in Zoom or YouTube.

[8:07] Uh we hope you continue to join us in whichever manner you feel the most

[8:10] comfortable. This is a work session meeting during

[8:14] which there is not public comment. You can join us tonight at 7 p.m. for our

[8:19] formal meeting to share your comments. We of course uh are welcome public

[8:24] feedback anytime. Uh and you can send us your feedback uh by mail at PO Box

[8:29] 145476, Salt Lake City, Utah 84114.

[8:35] um by email also uh council. commentsc.gov

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[8:50] Comments we receive on agenda topics are shared with council members and posted

[8:55] posted in our website. Uh you can visit that at slc.gov/consel.

[9:01] Our first agenda item is an ordinance for a zoning map amendment at

[9:06] approximately 2025 and 2020 2075 west, 2670 north and 2620 north, 2200 west. Uh

[9:17] we're going to welcome at the table Nick Tarvet, council deputy director, Erin

[9:21] Barlo, senior planner, and Alicia Silly, principal planner. Nick.

[9:29] » Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. I won't repeat the address of where you just announced

[9:32] the reszone's going to be considered. >> Um I will let you know the applicant is

[9:37] here. He would like to talk with you after the presentation from planning

[9:40] staff. >> And um with that I'll let you guys go.

[9:46] » Thank you. Good afternoon council. Um I am Alicia Cely and this is Aaron Barlo.

[9:52] We've been the planners processing this application. Um again, yeah, this is for

[9:55] a zoning map amendment from AG2 agricultural zone to M1A, which is the

[10:00] North Point specific light industrial district.

[10:04] » Next slide, please. >> Okay. Um this request includes three

[10:11] properties um that you see up here on the screen. 2670 North, 2200 West um is

[10:17] this long skinny one um on the west of this map. and then 2075 west 2670 north

[10:25] and 2025 west 2670 north um are east here um abuing the north 215 freeway um

[10:35] these three properties are all currently zoned AG2 which is agricultural um and

[10:40] the applicant is proposing to reszone them to M1A North Point light industrial

[10:46] um and these all fall in the North Point small area plan next slide

[10:52] Okay. Um the purpose of this reszone is for future light industrial use. There

[10:57] are no um specific development plans or a specific tenant um wishing to build on

[11:03] the site at this time. Um however, the planning staff is

[11:10] recommending approval with conditions. Um [snorts] and then the planning

[11:13] commission recommended denial which we will get into um later in this

[11:18] presentation. Next slide. Okay, just to be really clear about um

[11:24] what is here and what the proposal is. So the property facing 2200 West here

[11:33] labeled A on this diagram is currently a single family home. Um the proposal

[11:38] would be to remove this home to provide access to the future development. Um so

[11:43] to provide an access road to the larger two properties and avoid using the uh

[11:49] 2670 north road and then BNC um are very similar. There's nothing

[11:56] developed on these properties right now. They've been used as um grazing pasture

[12:01] land previously. Um and these are both proposed as the future site for light

[12:07] industrial development. Next slide. Okay. Okay. As far as the neighborhood

[12:13] context, the surrounding properties um are largely characterized by very low

[12:17] density residential development and um as well as agricultural uses. However,

[12:23] the site the um broader site and broader neighborhood has a lot of new industrial

[12:28] uses coming in um such as the warehouse that you can see in some of these photos

[12:32] across 2200 West. Next slide. Okay. And um the zoning district

[12:40] comparison M1A has similar height requirements um to the existing AG2

[12:47] district. Um it has some additional design requirements such as setting back

[12:53] um new buildings in M1A from principal residential structures on abuing

[12:57] properties. There is no minimum lot width or size um in the M1A district.

[13:02] There are some additional landscaping and tree planting requirements um to

[13:06] mitigate the impacts of future light industrial use um as well as additional

[13:10] design standards. Next slide.

[13:15] Um and then M1A allows for um quite a few additional uses that are not

[13:21] currently permitted in the AG2 zone. Um these are all detailed in the staff

[13:26] report but some of the highlights um are here and mainly these are along the

[13:31] lines of light manufacturing light industrial uses. Next slide.

[13:38] Um I won't spend a lot of time here but the proposal to reszone these properties

[13:42] to M1A is in line with plan Salt Lake and the North Point small area plan. um

[13:49] and planning staff's determination is that the proposal does um comply with

[13:55] the goals of these plans. Next slide. So like Alicia was saying, this proposal

[14:01] aligns with the plan, the North Point area plan. And specifically in the V

[14:05] vision map, it calls for a transitional area here that has the diagonal hatched

[14:09] yellow lines on the map. an area that is meant to transition from the current

[14:14] agricultural uses to a more light industrial use that you see popping up

[14:18] in this area. And many of the properties in this area have already been reszoned

[14:22] to that light manufacturing zone. And the M1A zoning district was developed

[14:27] specifically for this area of the transition from a to light industrial.

[14:33] Next slide, please. Uh we did receive quite a few comments

[14:37] from the neighbors and the public. They were primarily concerned about the use

[14:41] of that 2670 North Street which is runs along the north part of this property. A

[14:48] lot of homes use it as their primary point of access. They're worried about

[14:51] noise, visual impacts, the typical things that come out of light industrial

[14:55] use. And the applicant uh took these comments and came forward with some um

[15:03] ideas to kind of mitigate those things. So, next slide.

[15:08] Uh the applicant with their community benefit said, you know, because we're

[15:12] worried neighbors worried about noise, visual impacts, access, things like

[15:16] that. Uh they proposed uh additional screening and uh

[15:22] mitigation beyond what is specifically required by the M1A zoning district

[15:26] because of this property's proximity to other residential uses. So that includes

[15:31] additional tree planting in the way that you can see illustrated there with the

[15:35] juniper trees. Uh stone wall uh fencing along the property lines that are shared

[15:42] with residential uses. Uh there would be no storage yards or parking areas near

[15:48] the neighboring houses. There would be a much larger gap than required by the M1A

[15:54] zoning district. And then there would be no access on that 2670 North Street,

[16:00] only on that strip of land that was purchased from uh a family that were

[16:06] actually going through the same process until they were approached by this

[16:09] applicant to reszone their property. Uh next slide, please.

[16:14] So at the planning commission, uh they forwarded a negative recommendation. The

[16:19] central concern, really the only concern was regarding data centers that are

[16:23] permitted in this district. Data centers do have a few requirements within this

[16:27] M1A zoning district. They need to be in a a closed loop cooling system. But if

[16:32] the uh council wishes to go, you know, a different way than the planning

[16:36] commission recommended, they are welcome to add a condition to prohibit data

[16:40] centers on the site. Uh next slide, please.

[16:45] So staff's recommendation if the commission if the council does decide

[16:49] they do choose to approve this request we ask that they uh keep the conditions

[16:54] that staff recommended to the planning commission as well as um that as an

[17:01] option the data center proh prohibition as well.

[17:05] So the next slide I believe that's the end of our presentation and we're happy

[17:09] to go through things but I think the applicant also wanted to present

[17:13] » council member Petro.

[17:17] » Are we going to hear from the developer too or just

[17:20] » I mean we we don't we we can >> I'm

[17:23] » you have questions for the developer directly or do you have

[17:26] » no mostly mostly just comments. I had the chance to speak with this developer

[17:30] like planning told us this conforms with what we expect to happen and the

[17:35] developer assured me not only are they asking for nothing that varies from the

[17:40] M1A zone that was innovative innovated for the place out there there's no

[17:45] riparian considerations because it's far enough away from there so we don't have

[17:49] that element of concern and when I spoke with the developer the developer was

[17:53] able to tell me the name of not only the people from whom they bought the house

[17:56] which was impressive but then also So the neighbors across the way who are

[17:59] some of our neighbors who need the protection who have lived through the

[18:03] hellscape that has been the development of the million square foot warehouse out

[18:07] there they were willing to concede additional protections in alignment with

[18:12] what that family preferred. So, as we move forward on this, I'm finding it

[18:17] difficult to um say you can't do what we told you we expected would be done with

[18:24] a developer that is willing to not only conform to what we said, but is willing

[18:29] to give us additional um concessions like formalizing that a data center will

[18:34] not be a use that is out there even though once again letting our

[18:39] constituency know that is not a permitted use even in that zone, but

[18:42] they are willing. So, I actually have to say this is a this is a developer who

[18:47] seems incredibly responsive. I know we have a lot of people who show up for the

[18:50] shores of the lake and I'm thankful for them. I have yet to hear the people who

[18:54] show up for the neighbors out there who have unique concerns and having a

[18:58] developer that took it upon themsel to address the humans who live out there

[19:03] and not just the birds is really exciting to me and I'm really really um

[19:08] glad to see this. I think there is no leeway on things like the tree buffers.

[19:12] there's no leeway on things like um light mitigation, all of those other

[19:18] things that will protect the birds because our zone was designed to

[19:22] consider that. Um but this is actually a pretty high precedent in addition to

[19:28] the fact that they're willing to give us concessions that we couldn't have

[19:30] foreseen needing to be explicitly stated when the zone was created.

[19:36] » Any other thoughts, council members?

[19:41] Um I would like to um I think the as far as the the data center um

[19:50] technically being a thing that could happen in the site I felt like I

[19:55] personally would like to prohibit that even if the developer it's not uh

[20:02] thinking about doing it I think just for the sake of uh putting on and and you

[20:08] know and and paper in writing. I think I would like to add that as a requirement

[20:13] that is not allowable >> and it was explicitly asked and we we

[20:17] can let the developer speak to it but this is a concession that

[20:21] the developer is willing to get to give us.

[20:24] » Yeah. And we well I mean they know how to give it to us, right? Like we can

[20:27] actually require it but it's very nice that they're willing to give it to us.

[20:30] » I Yeah. I'm not trying to exercise our power. I'm saying we have a partner here

[20:35] who is doing in this space things that are not just being compelled but this is

[20:40] someone who gives every appearance at this point to be honoring the spirit and

[20:45] the letter of our law. >> Yes. Um I guess maybe that this is a way

[20:48] to allow the developer for a few minutes. Um and uh yeah tell us a little

[20:54] bit about the project. Um maybe this sparks other questions but maybe not.

[20:59] Make sure that the green light is on. on.

[21:06] » There you go. Green light was not on. Uh, I'm Dustin Cutler. I represent Lone

[21:09] Peak Lofts. It is my business, my partner and I's business, and we are the

[21:14] applicants/developers of this parcel. Um, as far as the data

[21:19] center, I know it come up. I'm completely fine with any contingencies

[21:23] that you guys feel like are needed for that area to to not allow data centers.

[21:27] I've built a number of smaller scale. One one thing that doesn't show on these

[21:31] parcels is there's actually two 24-in gas lines that go from Wyoming to

[21:37] California. They they kind of cut that parcel in the middle. So, it kind of

[21:42] creates two envelopes where a large building you literally we we

[21:47] naively asked what would it would cost to move those before we understood what

[21:51] they were. And the guy from Kern River laughed at us and he said, "I don't

[21:54] know, maybe 15 to$20 million." and we're like, "Oh, these aren't like these

[21:57] aren't your 1-in gas lines that run to your house." That's where we kind of

[22:01] learned. So, because of that, it doesn't suit itself to any any large buildings

[22:06] really. Um, so in my opinion, there's this I don't know the data center market

[22:12] at all. It's nothing I've ever dealt with before, but I I don't think that's

[22:16] an issue. I'm more than happy to, you know what I mean, work with the city and

[22:19] say, "Yeah, that's not a not a thing that works in that area for me or any

[22:23] potential buyers or future developers or tenants for that matter."

[22:28] » Thank you. I mean, the technology is evolving so much and it will continue to

[22:32] evolve. So, I prefer to put it in the in the documents so they're not no

[22:39] allowable use. Uh, any other thoughts, council members?

[22:44] Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um the staff said

[22:50] that this um there's no firm plan for this property right now. Um do you have

[22:59] ideas? >> So, I actually uh I used chat GPT the

[23:02] other day for the first time in my life. I did come up with some concepts. I

[23:06] don't I thought I mailed them in, but I may have emailed them to the wrong I

[23:09] didn't know who to send it. So, we I was telling Nick before this, my partner and

[23:13] I, we we actually build small industrial buildings. Uh we're completing one on

[23:18] the on-ramp of 5600 West and I 80 right now. So, we have worked through the city

[23:22] process before. It was already zoned the right way, so I didn't come to this, you

[23:26] know what I mean? It was just a planning, but we specialize for the last

[23:30] 10 or 15 or I guess 12 years now. We build usually between 30 and 50,000 foot

[23:34] buildings, which to most people sounds big, but when it comes to industrial

[23:38] space is really small, right? and we usually split those into anywhere

[23:42] between three and 10,000 foot units. Um, so we attract small businesses. The

[23:48] stuff right now we're building out by the airport. We have as small as 4,000

[23:52] to as large as nine. We have a few signed leases. That building's not yet

[23:56] complete, but we've signed some leases. One of them is Snap-on Tools Corporate,

[24:01] who provides automotive working tools, and I think it's just a warehouse for

[24:05] their local guys to come pick up tools. One of them is a soil test company that

[24:09] does soil testing for the state. Um they leased a 4,000 foot unit. So we don't we

[24:15] usually attract smaller businesses uh across our whole anything we've ever

[24:20] built. We've only ever had one that was actually a manufacturer. Uh it's a

[24:24] building down in Lynon. Uh one company bought the entire building from us and

[24:29] they do all your kind of special duct work. They're one of the few

[24:32] manufacturers in the state that actually builds commercial duct work. But outside

[24:37] that we get our stuff in Pleasant Grove attracts dance studios, some online

[24:43] retailers, a gym. This particular area probably wouldn't attract that of course

[24:48] because it's there's no population base around, right? But most of what we

[24:53] target is is small businesses. What we had kind of planned and if we still our

[24:57] hope is to end up owning one of the building envelopes. There's three

[25:01] possible building envelopes. Our hope is to kind of sell two off and build one

[25:05] and it would probably be a 20 to 30,000 foot building primarily targeted like 3

[25:10] to 4,000 foot units for for local contractors and we'd probably sell half

[25:15] and keep half. So if we were if we were the developers, we'd bring a condo plat

[25:20] in over our particular building. Um so we do part of the small I guess the

[25:26] community benefit was hoping to work with small businesses. We of course

[25:30] can't commit to that because like I was telling Nick beforehand, this is a

[25:34] bigger project than we can afford to do quite honestly. So at this point, we're

[25:38] looking to kind of get the reszone done, probably start to work through the

[25:44] engineering and site plan and all that other items once we know the zoning's

[25:48] right. if somebody comes along and buys it, we'll exit. But they'll understand

[25:52] part of our agreement with the community was that the fencing and the trees are

[25:57] being locked in as part of the reszone. And part of that was to make our

[26:00] neighbor across the street, Mr. Taylor, happy. Um I I approached kind of all my

[26:06] neighbors there. Uh there's a few guys that own some parcels to the north of

[26:10] that small road, 2670, and they were trying to work with me because they

[26:14] would like to access their property. Unfortunately, they don't really have

[26:18] access to their parcels back there. Um, I contacted all the neighbors and

[26:23] they're just not interested in in a change to that road. So, I went ahead

[26:26] and bought the Thompson property to provide access back here. So,

[26:32] » thank you so much. Okay. >> Um,

[26:35] I would support prohibit prohibition of data centers on that site.

[26:41] » Okay. >> Thank you.

[26:43] » It seems like we are good. Uh, I appreciate the, you know, your the

[26:46] information you share with us. Thank you. Um, I think that sort of gives

[26:50] gives the direction on where we are headed.

[26:53] » Could we just get confirmation? I think we're there, but quick straw poll on

[26:57] whether or not you would like to include the prohibition on data centers as a

[27:00] condition in the reszone. >> Sure. Let's show your feelings on that,

[27:03] council members. >> Okay.

[27:05] » Okay. We'll make that change to it. >> Okay. Thank you.

[27:09] » Thank you very much. >> Thank you.

[27:11] Uh item number two is a zoning map

[27:15] amendment and general plan amendment at approximately

[27:18] 1990 and 2002 South 500 East. Um we're going to welcome Allison Roland, council

[27:26] policy analyst at the table and Cassie Younger, senior senior planner and

[27:32] Kelsey Linquist, planning manager. Maybe um Oh yes.

[27:39] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is a request for a zoning map and general plan

[27:42] amendment at 1990 South 500 East and 2002 South 500 East in the Liberty Welsh

[27:48] neighborhood. The applicant, Castlewood Development, has proposed 22 for sale

[27:53] town homes, each with three stories, including four bedrooms, three and a

[27:56] half baths, and a twocar garage. The requested changes would reszone the the

[28:01] property from single family residential to moderate density multif family

[28:05] residential and require a general plan amendment to the central community

[28:11] future land use map from lowdensity residential to medium density

[28:15] residential. The planning commission voted 5 to zero to recommend the council

[28:19] approve these changes with a development agreement and comment commenters at the

[28:24] planning commission hearing expressed concerns about the height of the

[28:28] buildings. the density or number of units that are included and the loss of

[28:33] available parking in the area. The public hearing is scheduled for

[28:37] September 15th with potential council action on September 22nd. And the

[28:42] applicant is here if you're if uh you end up with any questions after uh

[28:47] Cassie's presentation. >> Thanks.

[28:53] I think this is the applicant.

[28:58] Can we go to the next presentation? >> Scott, could we go to the next

[29:02] presentation?

[29:34] Okay, [laughter] I'll get started while they're bringing that up. Sorry about

[29:38] that. Um, my name is Cassie Younger and I'm presenting the Wells on Fifth Reson.

[29:43] So, as Alison mentioned, this request is for our zoning map and general plan

[29:47] amendment uh 1990 and 2002 South 500 East. The current zoning is R15000 and

[29:55] is proposed to be changed to RM35, which is a moderate density multif family

[29:59] residential. Uh this also requires an amendment to

[30:03] the central community plan future land use map from low density residential to

[30:07] medium density residential. Uh the subject property um is 1.03 acres

[30:16] and has three frontages along 500 East, Hollywood, and Roondo A. It was

[30:22] previously the historic Wells Ward Meeting House, which burned down in 2024

[30:27] and has been Vinket ever since. This property lies within the Liberty

[30:33] neighborhood about a mile west of Sugar House downtown. The site is one block

[30:38] north of 2100 South, which is uh zoned primarily MU3 and has a variety of small

[30:45] businesses and town homes. And while the blocks north are generally um R15000,

[30:51] there are some pockets of RMF35 nearby like the senior living center to

[30:56] the north and a recently reszoned Sears site on 400 East. Uh, this site has a

[31:02] variety of transit options close by with a UTA bus stop one block north and an

[31:07] S-line station.3 miles south.

[31:11] The proposed development offers 22 town homes, each with four bedrooms and three

[31:16] and a half baths. Each unit has a twocar garage, and the site offers eight guest

[31:22] parking stalls on site. The site plan proposes

[31:27] um over 12,000 square feet of open space including a playground amenity

[31:32] and while the RMF35 zone allows up to 35 ft in height, the development is

[31:37] proposing to cap it at 30 ft.

[31:42] Uh the community benefit offered is that all of these are familysized units with

[31:47] over three beds and three baths and these units will all be offered for

[31:51] sale. The open space is over three times the required amount for this

[31:56] development. And the open space is mostly contiguous with over 3,000 square

[32:01] feet of a for a playground. And the applicant has offered to integrate an

[32:05] educational component to the play area. The educational component was inspired

[32:11] by a nonprofit group called Playful Learning Landscapes, which helps

[32:16] developers in cities install educational engaging playscapes for children in

[32:21] private and public spaces. And these can be as simple as a mural or a painted

[32:26] bench or as complex as an entire play installation. All of which would promote

[32:31] engagement and interactive um interaction between children and their

[32:35] caregivers. Um, so in the slide I have a table that

[32:41] compares the existing zones with the proposed RMF35 zone.

[32:48] Is there a way to connect my own computer anyway?

[32:51] » That I don't know. Um, I just sent it to Scott.

[32:55] » Okay. [laughter] >> See if you can get it.

[33:01] Um, so the table will show the comparison

[33:05] and uh versus the proposed project. So they aren't proposing to build to the

[33:11] maximum height or density that the RMF35 zone would allow. The RMF35 zone would

[33:16] allow up to 59 lots um with the minimum lot size requirement, but the applicant

[33:22] is only proposing 22.

[33:26] And so many aspects of the proposed development actually comply with the

[33:29] RMF30 zone which is our low density multifamily residential zone um

[33:35] including the density of 22 units with a height cap of 30 ft.

[33:40] So the applicant is requesting the RMF35 zone instead um because of this smaller

[33:46] front yard requirements. So, this allows to keep the majority of their open space

[33:52] within the interior of the site plan within the greenways and playground

[33:57] amenity instead of accommodating those larger front setbacks.

[34:02] And so the applicant received a lot of public feedback on their project um and

[34:07] revised their design to accommodate some of these concerns inclusing including

[34:12] decreasing the number of units from 22 to 20 from 24 to 22 and adding guest

[34:18] parking stalls and increasing the setbacks along Rodondo and Hollywood

[34:23] from 10 ft to 13 and 14.

[34:29] Yeah. So, if you just want to go through and we can bring up those tables.

[34:38] Um, yeah. So, here's the current zone R15000, the RMF35 zone, and the proposed

[34:44] project.

[34:48] So, like I said, they're going under um the height and the density for for what

[34:54] is allowed in the RMF35 zone. Next slide, please.

[34:59] Um, and this is comparing it with the RMF30 zone, which is our lowdensity

[35:03] multif family residential. So, it complies with almost all of those

[35:06] development standards um, except for the front yards.

[35:11] Okay. And then next slide. Um, it made some accommodations as

[35:17] mentioned um, based on public feedback like decreasing the number of units,

[35:21] increasing front yards, and adding guest parking.

[35:25] Next slide. And then on June 24th, the planning

[35:30] commission voted unanimously to forward a positive recommendation to the city

[35:34] council with the listed conditions.

[35:40] Next slide.

[35:44] » Thank you. Um council members, council Carlson,

[35:50] » um I saw that uh there is it's anticipated that these would be for sale

[35:56] units. Do we have a sense of what the um the price might be for these for sale

[36:01] units? >> The applicant has indicated that they

[36:04] would be market rate and I believe the range was around 590 or so, but she is

[36:09] also here uh to present and can be more specific in that.

[36:14] » Okay. >> Yeah. I think that maybe we should give

[36:18] the time a little time, a few minutes to the

[36:20] » applicant who also has a PowerPoint we can go through and maybe it'll help us

[36:24] track visually >> while she presents.

[36:27] » And as she comes up, I want to apologize to Cassie and to all of you. Um, it

[36:31] looks like I I sent the other presentations. I didn't send this one.

[36:35] So, sorry about that.

[36:42] » Welcome to welcome to the applicant. make sure that the green light is on on

[36:45] the microphone and >> give us a short

[36:50] » presentation. >> Um, thank you [clears throat] for your

[36:51] time today. My name is Haley Pratt and I'm a partner at Castlewood Development.

[36:56] Um, we are go the developer and builder of the site. Um, when approaching this

[37:03] site, we paid a lot of attention. We knew that we liked the location. We

[37:07] liked the proximity to transit. We loved the proximity to the commercial services

[37:12] and the fact that it was already a vacant site. There was no displacement.

[37:16] But we did understand that one of the key factors was um making sure that we

[37:21] approached the site and the site design so that it was contextually appropriate.

[37:25] So, um, even before I dive into the site plan, one thing that we tried to do was

[37:30] even orient the way that the town homes laid out on the site. So, that side um

[37:36] the side facade is is adjacent to the side facade of the adjacent homes. And

[37:40] so, there were a lot of um design elements that we approached with the

[37:46] site that um was trying to keep in mind just that this is a neighborhood and

[37:50] that we need to respect those residents. So, um

[37:56] Oh, next slide. Thank you. Um, then this is just hitting on the fact that we're

[38:03] um providing missing middle housing within um the Liberty Wells

[38:08] neighborhood. And next slide. Uh this gives an idea of our floor

[38:14] plans. Like Cassie mentioned, the family um oriented development was a key

[38:19] consideration. Um on the third floor, we have three bedrooms. to cater to the

[38:26] family um dynamic. So um anyone with children, they would be on the same

[38:31] level. And then we do have a fourth floor or fourth bedroom in the on the

[38:35] first floor. Next one. Next slide, please. Thank you. An illustrative site

[38:41] plan showing the landscape layout. Like Cassie mentioned, we're three times over

[38:44] the open space um that's required in the zone. Next slide.

[38:50] and we are going to be incorporating some sort of educational component into

[38:55] the play area. Um again hitting on the fact that we're trying to attract

[38:58] families in this community. Next slide.

[39:04] Now, um the community, we've had multiple conversations with the

[39:08] community and and it some of them were not easy and we've tried to accommodate

[39:13] as much as possible ways to alleviate any sort of um negative impact on the

[39:19] residents. And three themes that we heard were density, building scale and

[39:24] height, and parking. Um the way that we addressed that was next slide.

[39:30] We dropped unit count. pretty straightforward. Um you can see the old

[39:35] plan um and then the revised plan. Next slide.

[39:42] Another um factor was the scale and height. And we did we addressed this in

[39:46] a few ways. Um the first being we increased the front setback to 13 ft.

[39:54] Next slide. Oh, actually can we go back one? It also Oh, well next slide. Sorry.

[40:01] I think it's later on. >> [laughter]

[40:04] » Um, and as you can see in this exhibit, it's just a general schematic showing

[40:08] that the 13 ft is not out of neighborhood character. Um, it's

[40:12] generally in line with what a lot of the existing homes are, what you see along

[40:17] those those frontages. So, next slide. Height and scale. We've committed to

[40:25] keeping it to 30 ft. Um, even though the reszone would allow up to 35, the

[40:31] adjacent zone I believe allows up to 28 ft. So, it's a comparable height step

[40:37] up. And I acknowledge it's a step up, but um, we're trying to be gentle about

[40:41] it. Next slide. We have also significantly increased the

[40:48] western setback. So the the property boundary that we're actually sharing

[40:51] with existing single family homes, we've increased that side setback

[40:55] substantially um to try and alleviate any sort of um

[40:59] people brought up shade on their garden and things like that in the rear yards.

[41:04] Next slide. Parking. Um, we have added eight guest

[41:11] parking stalls on the site. And so our parking ratio is 2.36 stalls per town

[41:16] home, which is is substantial and something that we we wouldn't anticipate

[41:23] there being much spillover parking within the neighborhood. Next slide.

[41:29] And that's it. Um, our target is families. Um, we're excited about this

[41:34] project, excited about the site, and I'm happy to answer any questions you have.

[41:40] » Council members, council member Carlson. >> Um, I don't think I have any additional

[41:44] questions. I've had an opportunity to connect with a developer and connect

[41:48] with um, community members who are concerned about this development. Um,

[41:53] and uh, I imagine we'll hear some more about their concerns about the

[41:57] development, but I do want to uh, acknowledge the developer for making

[42:02] adjustments to the plan that were in direct response to some of the community

[42:05] input. And even some of the community residents said, "We felt very heard by

[42:10] the developer, even if they might not over overall agree with the overall

[42:14] direction of the of the development." So, just want to uh, acknowledge that.

[42:20] » Thank you.

[42:23] Thank you. Um I I see that uh your plans talk about 10,000 square feet of open

[42:31] space uh which I think it's going to be a great amenity uh for the residents uh

[42:36] there u but on the consideration that we have quite every day in this council

[42:42] related to water. I would like to know uh how much of of that is going to be

[42:48] grass uh you know do you have any idea? Um, so I don't have a detailed landscape

[42:53] plan at this point. We typically don't do large sod or turf areas unless it's a

[43:00] dedicated play area. So most of it would be um perennial plantings around the the

[43:07] play area. Now, if it if as we're playing around with it, we decide we

[43:11] want to set aside, you know, a pet relief area or um you know, something

[43:16] else that would that would be well suited for sod, we would do that. But

[43:20] otherwise it would be a water-wise water-wise um landscape design.

[43:25] » I think I I would prefer if we that if we put that in in in part as part of the

[43:30] agreement um that you know that you committing to water wise um plantings uh

[43:36] we have done it in other projects in the past uh and uh it sort of

[43:42] it should be percolating and of of all the projects moving forward in my

[43:46] opinion. Um, I think like based on the renderings you showed, it seems like you

[43:50] are going to do it right already from the beginning. Um, but I feel like that

[43:55] in my mind should be part of the the requirement moving forward. I don't know

[43:59] if other council members feel like that's important, too.

[44:05] Any other thoughts? Oh, no,

[44:10] » we're good. >> And we'd be happy to commit to the water

[44:13] wise component. >> Okay, that that makes it easier. Thank

[44:15] you. >> Thank you.

[44:20] » Okay. Moving on to uh an ordinance related to

[44:26] the alley vacation at approximately 750 South Main Street. This is item number

[44:31] three. Uh we're going to welcome at the table Michael Sanders, council policy

[44:35] analyst and Kins Linquist is going to stay at the table, planning our planning

[44:40] manager. Um, also we have the applicant uh representatives for the applicant

[44:46] here at the table. Uh, so yes, uh, Michael,

[44:51] thank you, council. So, Inter Mountain Health has submitted an application

[44:56] requesting that the city vacate a publicly owned alley [snorts] adjacent

[44:59] to properties at 750 South Main Street, 778 South Main Street, 16 West 800

[45:06] South, and 755 South Richard Street. Vacating the alley would support a

[45:11] future off-site parking structure with an accompanying Skybridge to Inter

[45:14] Mountain Health's planned hospital east of Main Street. Please note that this is

[45:19] the first alley vacation which has been through the new alley vacation process

[45:23] adopted in March of this year that allows certain that allows in certain

[45:27] circumstances for alley vacations to not go through the planning commission

[45:31] process but rather come to the council following an analysis of certain

[45:36] criteria and receiving a recommendation from the planning director. The planning

[45:40] director has forwarded a positive recommendation that the council approve

[45:43] the alley vacation. Thank you, Michael. Next slide.

[45:50] All right. As Michael mentioned, this is a request from Inter Mountain Health to

[45:54] vacate an existing alley approximately located at 750 South Maine. The alley

[46:00] runs south to north from 800 South between Richard Street and Main Street.

[46:06] The planning director forwarded a positive recommendation to the city

[46:09] council. Next slide. The northern portion of the subject

[46:14] alley was previously vacated between 1981 and 1999. The alley is currently

[46:20] used as a drive aisle and parking for Ken Garf and the Abuing Auto Body Shop

[46:25] which is shown in the photo. The purpose of the vacation is to

[46:29] consolidate the sites from four parcels into two so that um Inter Mountain

[46:34] Health can build a parking structure on the northern parcel. Ken Garf does

[46:39] intend to expand and reconfigure the existing non-compliant parking lot um on

[46:44] this southern parcel. Next slide. So um under the new review process,

[46:51] there are uh factors of review and the requested alley vacation does not comply

[46:57] with one um and that is the lack of use. The alley is open and exists for the

[47:03] purpose of providing access to the site from 800 South. The parking lot use of

[47:08] the alley is relatively new, replacing an L's L Wells Fargo building that was

[47:15] demolished in uh 2021, and the alleyway and the parking lot are separated by a

[47:21] fence. With that said, the requested alley vacation does meet the additional

[47:27] factors of review. So for public safety, it would not inhibit emergency access or

[47:33] existing proposed structures. The existence of the public way is not tied

[47:37] to increased crime, unsafe conditions, public health problems, or blight. And

[47:41] the alley is currently maintained by Kenarf and is visually part of their

[47:45] property. The community purpose, the purpose of vacating the alley is to

[47:51] consolidate the four parcels um for the redevelopment of the property just east

[47:57] of the site into a hospital and the hospital use serves an important

[48:02] community purpose and cannot function without sufficient parking. Impact on

[48:07] general plan. The proposed vacation satisfies the standards of the adopted

[48:11] general plan by protecting current and future infrastructure, circulation, and

[48:15] connectivity. Uh impact to the property. The proposed

[48:19] vacation will not result in a parcel or lot being deprived of access or

[48:23] landlocked. Uh public utilities. The public way is

[48:27] not considered essential for the location of future public utilities

[48:32] and it is not required for access to public utility infrastructure.

[48:37] And then the requested dimensions for the vacation is approximately 2402

[48:42] square feet. Uh that measures about 8.25 ft wide by 248 ft long.

[48:52] Next slide, please. And as mentioned earlier, the planning

[48:56] director recommended that the city council approve this request. I can

[49:00] answer any questions at this time. And um a representative from IH is here to

[49:04] answer any questions as well. Council members.

[49:08] » Oh, and you have a presentation, right? >> I do. Yeah, if that's okay. Yeah,

[49:12] » it's brief. >> We'll give you the time.

[49:16] » Let's see. You We're waiting for your presentation to populate.

[49:24] You can say next slide when you're ready for the next slide.

[49:28] » Perfect. Yeah. Well, good afternoon, council. My name is Chad Moahan. I'm

[49:31] here representing Inter Mountain Health um to discuss the alley vacation. Next

[49:36] slide, please. As has been shared um previously by the

[49:40] planning team, this is uh the northwest corner of 800 South and Main Street. The

[49:46] alley itself is represented there by the red bar um which comes uh up from 800

[49:52] South into kind of the middle of the property. It's landlocked actually by

[49:56] four different parcels that um have shared ownership between Inner Mountain

[50:00] and Kengarf, which I'll share on the next slide, please.

[50:05] Um so just some detail regarding the the parcels but um that's the survey of of

[50:12] the site there on the right hand side. A little difficult to see. Sorry it's

[50:15] small. Um but you can see the parking lot owned by Ken Garf which is

[50:20] represented as parcel 4 there on the bottom right hand side. Um the auto body

[50:26] shop on the left hand side. Um and then there's a a parcel one at the very top

[50:31] of the plan. um which is a Inner Mountain owned site currently being

[50:35] occupied by Herz Renar and then in between on the left hand side there's

[50:39] also another Kgarf parcel. So it's a kind of a mix of a few different

[50:44] parcels. There's five in total including the alley. Um and as was mentioned the

[50:49] alleyway is a little over 2,000 square feet. Next slide please.

[50:55] So this is the proposed um final parcel orientation for the site. Again, just

[51:00] trying to sort of assemble these these lots so it's a little more um a little

[51:05] more logical, a little more workable for the owners. Um but the intent here is to

[51:11] vacate the alleyway. Um as was referenced, it's it's very narrow um

[51:15] between 8 and 10 ft wide and a little over 200 feet um in length. There's not

[51:20] a whole lot of potential use cases for that site. Um but the vacation of the

[51:26] alley does give both Inter Mountain and Garf an opportunity to reorient the

[51:30] parcel um into two as opposed to five um future parcels. One on the north side

[51:37] which is represented as parcel one there and one on the south side represented as

[51:41] parcel two. Um Inter Mountain would be the northernmost parcel and Garf would

[51:46] be the southernmost parcel. Um and again the the intent is to maintain um at

[51:52] least for Garf a consistent use with what they're doing today which is

[51:55] overflow for the adjacent car dealership um and for Inter Mountain as was

[51:59] referenced previous a multi-story parking garage um with street activation

[52:05] um that will serve the larger Sears block to the east of Main Street.

[52:10] And >> that was actually short.

[52:13] » Amazing. That was short. >> Yeah. Well, I didn't have as much

[52:16] content as everybody else. It's uh relatively simple compared to some of

[52:20] the other ones. >> Any uh thoughts? Uh yes.

[52:26] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um um this is probably for planning staff. I'm

[52:30] wondering how many of these sky bridges we have in the city? Do they present any

[52:36] uh safety issues? Did you say sky bridges in the city?

[52:42] » Sky bridg. >> Sky bridges. There is a proposed

[52:44] skybridge that would be coming to the council in the future. Um, but it is not

[52:49] part of the current alley vacation request.

[52:53] I >> I guess to this question though is maybe

[52:56] to the applicant is the sky bridge still part of your plan.

[53:01] » Yes, that's what we would like to do. Correct. And to me, I feel like I would

[53:05] like to um discuss the Ali vacation in context of of of that because the sky

[53:13] bridges have history in Salt Lake uh or or a few of them or the one um and I

[53:21] feel like uh it will be good for us to put it all together, you know, to

[53:25] present it to the community. There's a lot of opinions out there about Sky

[53:28] Bridges. >> Sure. So I personally would like to uh

[53:32] do are you guys soon going to start presenting the do you know if there is a

[53:37] timeline for the sky bridge to come through the city?

[53:40] » Yeah. Yeah. So with respect to the skybridge, um a little different process

[53:44] than the alley vacation, but I think what where we ultimately landed um with

[53:48] planning in the city's attorney's office was a easement that would be for the sky

[53:53] bridge and then that would be accompanied by a full set of plans that

[53:56] would detail essentially where the sky bridge would connect, what it would look

[53:59] like, all the architecturing, engineering details behind it. um that

[54:03] would follow in a subsequent agreement after the alley. Once we vacate the

[54:07] alley just procedurally um we would need to reorient the lot and pursue a

[54:12] development agreement that would um be associated with the parking uh surface

[54:17] parking and the parking structure itself and then there would be a a subsequent

[54:21] application is our understanding and uh conversations with planning that would

[54:25] um be for the skybridge itself. >> Okay. I I I you know I think that just

[54:31] to tie those two together will be very beneficial to me. Um but I generally I

[54:37] have no big concerns about the the you know another Ali vacation. Um I I do um

[54:46] I do want to say you know that you know I went and toured uh LDS yesterday uh

[54:53] you know the hospital and uh IC team was great in showing us what they're what

[54:59] they do. Um so uh I'm excited to see some of those things uh being in a

[55:05] modern building downtown, some of those services being in downtown. I think that

[55:09] uh it's going to be um a big deal. Um I also uh many of us received a letter

[55:16] today from the county council uh and the county mayor asking us to to um to all

[55:22] be on the table to talk about mental health services and uh you know

[55:27] behavioral health services. So maybe during this time and this few weeks we

[55:32] can unlock some more conversations about uh what uh everybody's doing uh and how

[55:38] we can all pitch in uh into the work that and highlight the work that you

[55:42] guys do too. Um so I'm hoping that that buys us some time to uh to discuss some

[55:48] of those uh those other conversations and I will uh I think I forwarded the

[55:52] letter to all of you uh um you know when I received it like an hour ago. So, um,

[55:58] yeah, that's all I have right now. Any other thoughts?

[56:03] » If I may just clarify on the types of applications that will be coming

[56:06] forward, IH needs to submit a text amendment to enter into a new

[56:11] development agreement for the parking structure that is offsite and that would

[56:16] um needs to accompany a general plan amendment as well for the skybridge. So,

[56:21] both of those are legislative and would be coming back to the council.

[56:24] » Okay. Thank you. I yeah that's that's uh the timeline is is great and certainly I

[56:31] think time is of the essence I'm sure um so presenting the documents through the

[56:35] city and going through the process uh to make sure that it makes it here fast it

[56:39] will be ideal um so thank you >> yeah thank you

[56:43] » likewise thank you all

[56:49] » sorry [laughter] >> you are our guest uh you know famous

[56:54] speaker today. Um item number four is an alley vacation near 2553 South Chadwick

[57:02] Street. Um Kelsey Linquist at the table, a planning manager and then Austin Kim

[57:08] Kimmel, council policy analysis is going to give us a short introduction.

[57:12] » Great. Thanks, council members. This is a proposal to vacate two portions of

[57:16] Public alleyway near 2553 South Chadwick Street in District 7. Those alleyway

[57:23] portions are first a 262 ft alley running east to west from Chadwick

[57:29] Street to Dearborn Street. The second is a 51 ft alley between the two streets

[57:33] running north to south. The applicants request the alleyway vacation to build a

[57:38] larger detached garage replacing a smaller one at the rear of the property.

[57:44] The planning commission discussed and forwarded a positive recommendation for

[57:47] the proposed alleyway vacation to the city council during its April 22nd

[57:52] meeting. And with that, I will turn it over to Kelsey.

[57:56] » All right, next slide, please. All right, as Austin mentioned, um this

[58:03] is a request from the property owners located at 2553 Chadwick to vacate two

[58:08] portions of um two public alleyways due to lack of use. The applicant's property

[58:14] is identified on in yellow on the screen and the two sections of the alleyways

[58:19] are identified in blue. The east west portion which is light blue runs along

[58:24] about six properties and is approximately 12 ft wide by 262 ft long.

[58:30] And the north south alleyway identified in dark blue runs along two properties

[58:35] and is approximately 12 x 51 ft long. Um if the alleyways are vacated the alleys

[58:41] would be divided and allocated to the property owners abudding the vacated

[58:44] portions. Next slide please. The east west alleyway vacation includes

[58:51] the entirety of that section. The north south is just a portion of the entire

[58:56] alleyway which is illustrated on the screen. It's important to note that

[59:00] several accessory structures currently block access through these sections of

[59:04] alleyways which can be seen in these aerials. Next slide.

[59:12] Historic aerials illustrate this the um same lack of use and restricted access.

[59:20] Next slide. This is a photo from Chadwick Street to

[59:26] illustrate the lack of use. Next slide, please.

[59:33] And a photo from Dearbornne. Same illustration. Next slide.

[59:39] The request that alley vacations comply with the applicable standards that

[59:43] address uh lack of use. Uh the alley has essentially been materially blocked um

[59:49] which has rendered it unusable. Next slide.

[59:54] And the planning commission boarded a positive recommendation to the city

[59:57] council. I do believe the applicants are here today and I'm happy to answer any

[1:00:03] questions.

[1:00:06] Council members, let's welcome the applicant then. Um, and uh, do you have

[1:00:11] a do you have a Yeah, come come to the table. Join. Uh,

[1:00:17] do you have a presentation or are you here for answering questions?

[1:00:21] » Oh, I'm the property owner. >> Yes. Do you have a presentation or

[1:00:24] » Oh, sorry. I don't have a presentation. Can I just say a few things?

[1:00:27] » Yes. Go ahead, Council Member Young. >> Yeah. Thank you. Um, so it's been fun.

[1:00:33] This particular item was like entertaining because I got to

[1:00:37] participate both as a council member but also as a neighbor. So, um, I got one of

[1:00:42] the notices from our planning department saying this is happening in your

[1:00:46] neighborhood and like if you want to give input to the planning commission

[1:00:49] and I was like I do. Um, and so anyway, I just appreciate the thorowness um, and

[1:00:56] also um, the professionalism of my neighbors in terms of working handinhand

[1:01:01] with the city to be able to get this resolved. Um, it has long been an

[1:01:06] outstanding unusable alley. Um, and by moving this forward, it not only

[1:01:10] benefits this particular homeowner, but the homeowners around related to the

[1:01:14] maintenance of many of their existing structures, garages, etc. So, full

[1:01:19] support and just thank you for your engagement with the city.

[1:01:25] » Thank you. >> Thank you for switching hats there from

[1:01:29] a neighbor to a council member and back and forth. Um, any other thoughts?

[1:01:34] » Okay, it seems like it's uh pretty straightforward. It seems like we Thank

[1:01:38] you for the information. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:01:45] » Moving on to item number five. >> [gasps]

[1:01:49] » It's a resolution building fee waiver for Ivory Innovations de development at

[1:01:54] approximately 77 South 400 East. We're going to welcome

[1:02:00] Allison Roland, council policy analyst, Tommy Huner, maybe not. Uh

[1:02:05] [clears throat] Mike Akerlo, deputy director of

[1:02:08] community services, uh and Juliana Landis, uh community um can management

[1:02:14] analyst. Hi again. Yes. Um Tammy had a family

[1:02:21] issue come up, so she isn't able to be here today. This item is a request from

[1:02:25] Ivory Innovations, a nonprofit organization for a building permit fee

[1:02:29] waiver for some of the units in a new housing development on 707 South 400

[1:02:33] East. The development includes 66 new rental housing units, of which 50 would

[1:02:38] be offered at or below 80% of AMI for 15 years. City policy allows building

[1:02:45] permit fee waiverss to be granted by the council to a nonprofit organization that

[1:02:49] develops housing priced at or below 80% of of AMI.

[1:02:55] The ordinance requires an informal public hearing and that the director of

[1:02:59] CAN decide whether or not to recommend that the council adopt the request. The

[1:03:03] project was found eligible for a waiver of 75% of the building fees which

[1:03:08] amounts to about $150,000. No additional public hearing is required

[1:03:12] for this item and potential action is scheduled for September 15th. I will

[1:03:18] turn it over to Juliana >> or Mike.

[1:03:20] » I'm going to step in real quick uh just to introduce this project and highlight

[1:03:25] it as a great example of uh the private sector coming together um through a

[1:03:30] nonprofit building affordable housing in our community without any government

[1:03:33] funding. Um, call to action is a foundation started by Maverick and they

[1:03:38] partnered with Ivy Ivory Innovations to build these uh, rental units. Um, and I

[1:03:44] think it's just a it's important to highlight that that they have not used

[1:03:47] any city funding or other government funding um, have not used the tax

[1:03:51] credits um, which is a very competitive source. Um, so it's nice to see this

[1:03:56] kind of development happening within our communities. Um

[1:04:01] this also a great example of adaptive reuse uh of an existing building and new

[1:04:05] construction to bring affordable housing. And I want to introduce

[1:04:08] Juliana. She is new to the city uh working in housing and uh housing

[1:04:12] stability as uh the compliance analyst and is looking at all things impact fees

[1:04:17] uh and building permit fees regarding affordable housing. So turn it over to

[1:04:21] her. >> Thanks Mike. Um we can go to the next

[1:04:26] slide. Okay. So, first I'll just talk a bit

[1:04:29] about the code and the process that we've gone through so far. So, Salt Lake

[1:04:34] City Code 182022 states that nonprofit organizations may

[1:04:40] petition Salt Lake City to wave or defer fees for the development of affordable

[1:04:44] housing. Um, and currently the first step in the process is housing stability

[1:04:50] staff. Uh so me and my team will request information from the developer to verify

[1:04:55] that they're eligible under the code for these waiverss. Then uh an informal

[1:05:00] public meeting was held on January 14th for this project for the CAN director to

[1:05:05] review the application allow for questions from the applicant and then

[1:05:10] from there housing stability worked with the developer and the attorney's office

[1:05:14] to negotiate a restrictive use agreement uh which we would then sign and record

[1:05:18] if the waiver is approved. So, as of July, the CAN director has recommended

[1:05:24] that this fee waiver be approved. And then the fee waiver ordinance states

[1:05:28] that the director's recommendation will be made to city council um for you all

[1:05:33] to hear. And then just a note on sort of that administrative process. There are

[1:05:38] updates to 18202 in the works with a goal to sort of

[1:05:44] shift this process to align a bit better with the current process that is

[1:05:49] administrative for impact fee exemptions uh where the CAN director has authority

[1:05:54] to just approve them and we wouldn't need to involve council going forward.

[1:05:59] Um then we can go to the next slide please. So now for more specifics on

[1:06:04] this project. Uh this project is Innovation Park at Liberty Wells at 707

[1:06:10] South 400 East. Um like Allison already said, it's 66 units in total. 30 units

[1:06:18] are being restricted at 60% AMI and 20 units are being restricted at 80% AMI.

[1:06:25] Uh the term of the restrictive use agreement would be for 15 years uh once

[1:06:29] it's signed and recorded. Since 75% of the units would be

[1:06:34] affordable at or below 80% AMI, uh the project is eligible for a waiver of 75%

[1:06:40] of the building permit fees. Uh which is estimated to be about $150,000.

[1:06:47] And then just a notice, $106,500 in impact fees were previously waved for

[1:06:53] those 30 units that are affordable at 60% AMI.

[1:06:58] The project is well on its way. It's expected to be completed next month in

[1:07:03] September and the project is being developed by Ivory Innovations which is

[1:07:07] a 501c3 nonprofit. Um on the next slide we have some

[1:07:14] renderings of what the project is expected to look like. It looks pretty

[1:07:19] similar to this uh if you go by it right now.

[1:07:23] And then the next slide shows uh sort of an site plan view where you can see that

[1:07:31] adaptive reuse component that Mike mentioned. Um that portion is 30

[1:07:36] apartment units, 27 onebedrooms, and three twobedrooms. And then in the blue

[1:07:41] box are the town home section. It's 36 town homes, 22bedroom, and 16 3bedroom.

[1:07:49] Um that's all I have for you. If you do have any questions, I think the

[1:07:55] applicant was planning on coming. Oh yes, applicants here if you have

[1:07:58] questions more about uh site specifics or the development or we can take other

[1:08:03] questions. >> Initial thoughts, council members, or we

[1:08:06] invite the applicant then to the table. We Yes. Do you do you have a

[1:08:12] presentation or just here to answer questions?

[1:08:14] » No, I'm just here to answer questions if you have any.

[1:08:17] » Okay. Any questions for the applicant? Okay, it seems like you

[1:08:24] Chris. Okay. No, I think like we're good. Thank you for the presentation.

[1:08:29] Appreciate it. >> Thank you.

[1:08:30] » Thank you. >> Didn't mean to put it on your spot.

[1:08:38] » Um, so council members, we have a tentative break right now. Um, and

[1:08:44] technically we're supposed to be uh back at 4, but I think um can do you

[1:08:50] think there is a possibility uh to try to get some of these items to move a

[1:08:54] little ahead of time? >> Okay, let's take a 20-minut break and

[1:08:59] let's see how far we get. So, let's meet here at 3:25.

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[1:39:05] » Welcome back to welcome back to the council uh work

[1:39:11] session. Um we are now in item number seven. Uh this is an ordinance for the

[1:39:16] administrative organization text amendments for public services. We're

[1:39:20] going to welcome Kate Barrett uh council policy analysis at the table and then

[1:39:24] Horge Chamoro maybe uh oh no he's here of course um director of public services

[1:39:30] um Kate.

[1:39:34] » Great. Thank you. Public services has requested tax amendments to title two of

[1:39:39] the Salt Lake City code. The proposal would codify a few things that have been

[1:39:45] happening um due um since the fiscal year 26

[1:39:50] budget um was initiated or was approved by you and then some other items also

[1:39:56] including the creation of of the division of architecture and

[1:39:59] construction management, the name change of the compliance division to urban

[1:40:03] services, an updated description of the powers, responsibilities and

[1:40:09] requirements for for the city architect. Additionally, while not included in this

[1:40:15] code amendment, there is a possible city code amendment that you may consider

[1:40:20] initiating a legislative intent to support. This has been a city council

[1:40:26] interest. Oh, there has been a city code interest in codifying the name change of

[1:40:32] city of the city and county building to city hall. The current name has caused

[1:40:36] confusion regarding the building's purpose. The name change would lead to

[1:40:40] better aligning the name with its function and use.

[1:40:44] » You're welcome. [laughter] Anyways, go ahead.

[1:40:49] » Yes, the mayor recently initiated this name change and is now being

[1:40:53] incorporated in several locations. Public services plans to present the

[1:40:57] name change proposal to the use and consery committee. If the committee

[1:41:02] provides positive feedback, the administration will identify all the

[1:41:05] city code sections that require updates, including title 15 and title two, and

[1:41:11] transmit recommendations to council for consideration.

[1:41:15] You may consider a possible legislative intent um with language included in the

[1:41:20] policy questions and discussion section. If you would like that, I'll turn over

[1:41:25] to Jorge. >> So, quick quick note. Thank you, Jorge.

[1:41:29] Um the the um we uh for for for a little while now

[1:41:37] with administration and the mayors uh wanted to consolidate the name they you

[1:41:41] know they made some good changes on that but we still have in in the ordinances

[1:41:46] this uh wrong uh title. Um so I wanted to make sure that from when we're

[1:41:52] approving ordinances that we start we changing this to the correct uh name. Um

[1:41:58] but because of timing uh we are going to let this one go. Um and you know keep

[1:42:04] the city county building and the language of of this uh of this

[1:42:09] resolution I mean this ordinance. Um but the intent will be that uh we we change

[1:42:17] this uh for for good. Um so people looking for the county don't come here

[1:42:22] ever. Um so that's the hope. Anyways, uh Horge, your time. Sorry for that.

[1:42:30] » Thank you. Good afternoon, council. Um yeah, I'm here basically to answer any

[1:42:36] questions that you may have. Uh the summary that Kate uh provided uh

[1:42:41] included basically all of the items that we wanted to hit in this text amendment.

[1:42:47] There are two uh sections of code um 2.08 08 and 2.39

[1:42:55] and those are basically reflecting um as Kate mentioned um how we are managing

[1:43:03] administratively um the the department and also a few

[1:43:08] functions that uh ever since fiscal year 26 were um left in the department

[1:43:15] particularly the architecture and construction management division. So for

[1:43:20] those that were not here uh last last fiscal year um what occurred was the

[1:43:26] engineering division was uh split everything that has to do with the right

[1:43:33] of way and uh construction in the right of way. Um that group uh is

[1:43:41] managed by the city engineer and it was moved to the um community and

[1:43:46] neighborhoods department. Whereas everything construction related outside

[1:43:52] of the right of way meaning buildings uh parks everything that is not roads you

[1:43:58] know from the curb back um that is managed by the city architect and we are

[1:44:04] defining that in the text amendment and that function remained in public

[1:44:08] services. So we're basically just um clarifying

[1:44:13] what occurred last year and ensuring that is is uh described in code.

[1:44:20] No additions simply just stating what the way we are handling right now. Um in

[1:44:27] regards the uh section 2.39 which refers to the conservancy and use committee it

[1:44:33] is correct the title itself is um city and county use and conservancy committee

[1:44:40] and it defines how that committee should be structured and it mentions multiple

[1:44:44] times uh refers to this building as the city and county building. And so in

[1:44:49] addition to that section of code, there are other parts of uh city code that

[1:44:53] still mention uh city and county building. And that's the part that it

[1:44:57] will take a little bit of time to do those uh redlinining and uh propose

[1:45:01] those changes. But um the first step that we wanted to consider in the

[1:45:05] administrative side is presented to the board, right? um which they are uh they

[1:45:12] function in an advisory capacity and it's important for us to consult them in

[1:45:16] in major changes like this. The next meeting is scheduled for um

[1:45:23] September can tell you right now it's the third

[1:45:27] Monday of the month. So we will put that in the agenda and uh certainly be back

[1:45:32] with you um with their feedback. So any questions that you have happy to

[1:45:41] » I'm very very in favor of any effort to consistently rename this building city

[1:45:50] hall. Um I just think that we we should um for the sake of the public make

[1:45:58] things as clear as possible. Um, I think especially with the county relocating,

[1:46:04] um, you know, it's one thing if you have to get in the wrong place and you have

[1:46:08] to go down to 21st South, it's another if you have to go to Midvail. Um, but

[1:46:12] aside from that, um, I I I really want to move forward

[1:46:18] with City Hall. I hope that the board will be um

[1:46:23] in support um of that um because uh I I know it's probably going to take

[1:46:30] some budget to there's still some lettering on the building. There's

[1:46:33] still, you know, probably other areas, but I think it's worth it to have

[1:46:38] clarity for the public about where they should go when they need to address

[1:46:42] their local governments. So, I'm very in favor of this. I've been on like a

[1:46:46] personal crusade about this for many years. So would love to see this move

[1:46:51] forward. Thanks.

[1:46:56] » I I know that you wanted to make a there's a lot of important changes

[1:47:00] you're making in this ordinance. Um so thank you for that. the I mean I I have

[1:47:06] you know are there costs associated additional

[1:47:10] costs associated with the division the compliance division or changing to

[1:47:17] urban services? >> No no budget impacts at all.

[1:47:20] » Okay. We're not going to like start peeling labels out of cars or anything

[1:47:24] like that. >> Yeah.

[1:47:26] » Okay. Um, I mean I'm not a huge fan of that urban services either as a name,

[1:47:31] but you know it's it's an administrative thing. So I will it's not my for me to

[1:47:36] to say that. But um generally I u I am support um and I'm excited to u to

[1:47:43] clarify for the public what this building is about and you know what it's

[1:47:47] not about. I don't want us to recarve the stones. That's the only thing I

[1:47:51] don't want us to do. But you know there are some stones over there that said

[1:47:54] city county building. They're not. >> They're not

[1:47:59] » Oh, really? I really Chris already. >> I'm doing some work on my own.

[1:48:04] » You You know, so someone checked the cameras. Uh Chris is climbing the

[1:48:08] building. >> It's cute that you think that they would

[1:48:10] let you do that anyway. [laughter] >> So, but but in general, I I'm I'm

[1:48:15] excited to ensure that when people are googling, even with a map, they can

[1:48:19] actually find the correct building. Um so, um thank thank you. Okay. Thank you.

[1:48:27] H council members, we're gonna have to take another

[1:48:30] um break um because

[1:48:36] » Okay, never mind.

[1:48:40] » Okay. >> So, yes. So, we're going to have to take

[1:48:42] a break. Uh we're going to have to take a break until

[1:48:46] they're good to go. >> Oh, they're good to go. Oh, okay.

[1:48:50] » That's confusing.

[1:48:58] Alison Roland, we're going to move on to item number eight, uh,formational

[1:49:02] item, which is Select City's emergency diversified response programs. Alison

[1:49:07] Roland, council policy analyst at the table. Andrew Johnson, senior advisor.

[1:49:11] Megan Jul, deputy chief administrative officer.

[1:49:15] » Thank you, Mr. Chair. This is the first of a planned series of briefings on the

[1:49:19] elements of the city's diversified response approaches to public safety.

[1:49:23] Since 2016, the council has supported the creation of new types of responses

[1:49:26] to public safety challenges and emergencies. One reason is that the fire

[1:49:30] and police departments have been facing changes in their work. Specifically,

[1:49:34] there are more calls from or related to people who are in crisis and have

[1:49:38] nowhere else to turn. In many cases, these are people who also are

[1:49:41] experiencing homelessness, mental illness, addiction, or some combination

[1:49:45] of these. Another reason is that diversified responses can provide more

[1:49:50] effective and efficient alternatives to mobilizing traditional fire and police

[1:49:54] resources. And the diversified response teams within these departments can

[1:49:58] provide specialized and ongoing assistance to help community members

[1:50:01] find the resources they need. Finally, the diversified response units in other

[1:50:06] departments help mitigate some of the unintended side effects that

[1:50:10] homelessness, untreated mental illness, and addiction present for other city

[1:50:14] residents. So, there's a lot to talk about. Working with Megan and the

[1:50:19] mayor's office, we decided to concentrate the first briefing in this

[1:50:22] series on an overview of the diversified response programs and then begin with

[1:50:26] more detail on the fire and police department's roles.

[1:50:31] So, we're starting today with the emergency with the

[1:50:37] diversified response uh units that are characterized in the transmitter as

[1:50:40] emergency responses. and we anticipate future briefings

[1:50:45] that'll focus on the other four teams uh in non-emergency

[1:50:51] alter or diversified responses. So, I will turn it over to Megan and Andrew to

[1:50:57] tell us all about it. >> Thanks, Alison. Uh first,

[1:51:00] » sorry, really quickly while they're getting started, just wanted to make

[1:51:03] sure the council members all saw this handy sheet. So, there's going to be

[1:51:06] lots of acronyms thrown at you, so just have your sheet ready. [laughter]

[1:51:12] » So, I think Andre, sorry for interrupting you. Um, we I'm very

[1:51:16] excited to having these briefings because it's almost like we always

[1:51:21] talking about this in the context of the budget. Um, and I I was hoping and I

[1:51:25] thank you for for your team and on the administration side to

[1:51:30] putting time aside for briefing us, but also for the community, right, to to

[1:51:35] understand all the things that the city does. Um but I think it's important for

[1:51:40] us to really understand how this whole thing works. Uh and many times we're

[1:51:45] talking in the context of the budget and I don't get the time to dive in as like

[1:51:49] I should. So I'm I'm looking forward to this. So thank you.

[1:51:52] » Sure. Uh we're going to try and be as fast or as slow as you'd like. I'll put

[1:51:57] it that way. Um, that acronym list is going to be very important because if an

[1:52:01] acronym is put out here by us, um, and you want to make sure it's clarified for

[1:52:05] the public or for you, just make sure you ask because there's a lot in there,

[1:52:08] obviously. Uh, Megan's going to do a lot of the heavy lifting today. She's done a

[1:52:12] ton of work on this. Very, very knowledgeable. I appreciate you very

[1:52:14] much, Megan. Uh, we also have, uh, members of emergency dispatch 911, uh,

[1:52:20] fire department and police department here who can also answer questions uh,

[1:52:23] from their department needs. uh we talked about dispatches here and then

[1:52:28] Rachel Otto uh apologizes she will be here she hopes at some point during the

[1:52:32] presentation she'll also be a present chief of staff of the mayor the first

[1:52:37] two slides I'm going to talk about fairly quickly um

[1:52:42] introduction for basics the basics are four out of the eight diversified

[1:52:46] response programs just police and fire emergency dispatch and then dispatch

[1:52:49] protocol will be important here as well next slide

[1:52:54] uh this the Key piece here is about consistency. Uh some of these programs

[1:52:58] have been around for a decade now and they have evolved to do different needs

[1:53:02] as the city has seen different needs on the streets, but we tried to be very

[1:53:06] consistent and the next uh slide will show three pieces to that. First one is

[1:53:11] making sure we're focused on individuals in need and that's one of the the core

[1:53:15] attributes of this. There's a lot of people who have needs out there that

[1:53:17] we're trying to address more specifically have operational

[1:53:20] excellence. That means a lot of things what you see up there, but also it means

[1:53:24] maximizing city resources and money to the budget question. Always trying to be

[1:53:29] very efficient and effective with those resources and then focus on the greater

[1:53:33] community. Um that's about our public space to address those public spaces

[1:53:36] most effectively. And Megan, I think to you now.

[1:53:40] » Yeah, my turn now. All right, next slide.

[1:53:44] Okay, so let's start diving into the programs. I spent a lot of time trying

[1:53:48] to figure out how to best categorize these so we could chop it down to

[1:53:53] bite-size elements as we go into it. And the best way I could find to do that was

[1:53:57] to split it between programs that were more traditional diversified response or

[1:54:02] more emergency [clears throat] response. So those coming from fire or police and

[1:54:07] on the right side are programs that are a bit more supportive um supportive

[1:54:12] community services. So that might be um less traditional diversified response,

[1:54:16] but it is what the community and business owners are asking us the most

[1:54:20] for. And so they're in response to that. Next slide.

[1:54:26] Okay. Looking at that big timeline back to 10 years. I know that this is a bit

[1:54:30] small for you to see all the detail and that's kind of the point. A lot has

[1:54:34] happened and a lot influenced the way that these programs were implemented and

[1:54:37] how they've evolved over time. As Andrew Johnston mentioned, um we've had these

[1:54:42] programs um since 2016 or at least the one in police, which is our social

[1:54:49] workers at the police department, and the medical response team and fire.

[1:54:53] Those have been around for 10 years. And the ones that are circled in black,

[1:54:58] those are the ones we're going to talk about today.

[1:55:00] » On this slide, the top line is about the point in time count that's done every

[1:55:04] year by the state. And that shows you the uh relative increases or decreases

[1:55:08] for those 10 years. And then below you'll see um some major elements that

[1:55:13] have happened during that time. This is not exhaustive list of everything that's

[1:55:15] happened in the homeless field. >> Awesome. Next slide.

[1:55:20] Okay. And before diving in deeper, I do want to highlight some of the work we

[1:55:24] did through the budget. Uh last year in fiscal year 26 we consolidated the clean

[1:55:30] city team which resulted in a million dollars of savings in our advantage

[1:55:34] services contract. In fiscal year 27 public services proposed to make that

[1:55:39] reduction ongoing because they felt that they were able to be efficient in that

[1:55:44] way in an ongoing manner. And then we added some additional cuts um that added

[1:55:50] up to about $2 million in the budget that you um just reviewed. Next slide.

[1:55:57] Okay, back to the flowchart. Um, to reorient us around the programs, we're

[1:56:01] going to talk about these four starting with our social workers. Next slide.

[1:56:09] Okay, so first we're talking about first acronym or probably said a few already.

[1:56:15] Um, CCT, the community connection team. This is our social workers in the police

[1:56:20] department. Um, these social workers are providing behavioral health support and

[1:56:25] crisis intervention. They also divert calls from 911 and co-respond with sworn

[1:56:31] police officers using traumainformed tools. Next slide.

[1:56:37] Okay. They have 16 FTEEs that are social workers and they cover the entire city

[1:56:44] um working uh seven days a week 8:00 a.m. to midnight. And these are some of

[1:56:49] the primary call types. If you're following along with the transmittal we

[1:56:54] sent in, this would be on page eight where we have a bunch more information

[1:56:58] including some of the metrics that we collected from each of the teams. Next

[1:57:02] slide. All right, we have chat next. Community

[1:57:07] health and access team. These are our social workers in the fire department.

[1:57:13] These social workers have been around since 2022 and they are um paired with

[1:57:19] MRT which is the medical response team in fire. I'll talk about that one in a

[1:57:23] minute. Um but they respond alongside MRT to offer social service care during

[1:57:29] medical or traumatic emergencies. Next slide.

[1:57:34] They have seven FTEEs. Um, and the coverage there, chat five is in fire

[1:57:39] station five, chat six and fire station six, and I think chat one is uh downtown

[1:57:45] in the PSB to respond from there. Uh, and then these are some of their primary

[1:57:50] call types.

[1:57:54] Next slide. Okay, so both of these programs are

[1:58:00] trying to divert calls from sworn officers and firefighters taking out

[1:58:04] full firet trucks and full teams. Both programs are using traumainformed

[1:58:10] approaches and they're filling gaps in case management services. What's a bit

[1:58:15] more unique to the community connection team and police is that they're also

[1:58:19] doing deescalation support um compared to chat which is primarily focused on

[1:58:25] emergency room diversion. They're trying to prevent people from going to the

[1:58:29] emergency room who could receive better care um right at the site of the need.

[1:58:34] Uh, also unique to the community connection team is they're doing longer

[1:58:38] term case management and they're also leading the project connect pilot which

[1:58:42] is one of the um big outcomes from our public safety steering committee

[1:58:46] meetings that we've been having with a bunch of stakeholders across the county

[1:58:50] over the past year. Um, chat on the other hand is doing shorter term case

[1:58:55] management and providing support for witnesses of traumatic events. Really

[1:59:00] quickly, um just for um those that might not be aware, uh the public safety plan

[1:59:05] came out of uh legislative ask was it la a year and a half ago and project

[1:59:12] connect focuses on the top 50 users of the public safety system where um the

[1:59:19] city kind of tries and connects deeply with those people to help them not

[1:59:25] utilize the system. Is that the right way to say I mean it might I'm probably

[1:59:28] You're correct. [laughter] >> So, uh, we the 50 individuals were based

[1:59:33] off of interactions with Salt Lake City Police Department over the previous 12

[1:59:36] months. That's where that list came from. And then two social workers from

[1:59:40] the police social work team um began doing that full-time as their job. So,

[1:59:46] there wasn't a new group sort of hired to do this. And now, that's been going

[1:59:50] on for a year and a half. We have some good outcomes from that. We can talk

[1:59:53] through that separately perhaps that's helpful for you all. Um, I can also say

[1:59:56] that based on the success of that, uh, the state legislature did, uh, through

[2:00:01] office of homeless services appropriate money to expand that program this year

[2:00:05] and the police department's working on that currently.

[2:00:07] » Council member Carlson. >> Uh, thank you, chair. Um, I think this

[2:00:11] might be connected to my question, which was, um, under what conditions does the

[2:00:16] CCT provide that long-term case management? Is it just Project Connect

[2:00:21] individuals? Is it how do how do you decide who receives this long-term case

[2:00:26] management? >> Going to ask Christina Zido to come up

[2:00:29] here.

[2:00:37] » Good afternoon. Christina Zido, director of behavioral health services for Salt

[2:00:41] Lake City Police Department. I oversee our social work team as one of our um

[2:00:47] one of my responsibilities with the department. And in terms of meeting

[2:00:52] those longer term case management or therapy needs, um it really is based

[2:00:58] upon need and then our availability. We know that there are a lot of gaps in

[2:01:03] insurance coverage for our community members or members who don't have access

[2:01:08] to care because of lack of insurance. And so with our severely and

[2:01:14] persistently mentally ill individuals that we serve regularly, we provide case

[2:01:20] management for them until we're able to get them connected to a system that's

[2:01:23] really holding and caring for them. So definitely a bridge support in terms of

[2:01:28] the trauma therapy we do is very similar. So if we have a community

[2:01:33] member who needs a couple of sessions until they can get into a longer term

[2:01:37] care therapeutic relationship, we'll provide that. if they're not going to

[2:01:41] have access to longer term care um because of whatever their individual or

[2:01:47] family circumstances are, we can also help stabilize them and make sure that

[2:01:52] they don't continue into crisis um because we know early intervention

[2:01:57] really stops the the revolving nature of crisis response.

[2:02:04] concern be true. >> Is there a way if someone's with us

[2:02:09] longer term, they're going to be intercepting with other entities across

[2:02:13] this? I mean, the most basic one feels like the court system at the very least.

[2:02:19] Is there a way that we are coordinating especially with other state agencies but

[2:02:24] also with other county and publicly funded agencies to make sure that the

[2:02:28] case management that we're offering is not only not redundant but is the most

[2:02:33] appropriate out of all that's available to that person.

[2:02:40] » I have to push harder. [laughter] That's an excellent question. And I I

[2:02:44] really appreciate that we do have an interdisiplinary

[2:02:49] community spanning um care coordination team that we do for the um that is

[2:02:57] separate from project connect. So project connect is very resource case

[2:03:02] management care coordination focused um for diversifi for our diversified

[2:03:08] response team where we are seeing you know oftentimes the same individuals who

[2:03:13] are who are having um issues for a long period of time and providing care for

[2:03:18] them. We are working with all of the other community providers to understand

[2:03:23] which systems they're intersecting with, where they've successfully connected for

[2:03:28] services previously, um, and and coordinating care with them so that we

[2:03:33] don't have duplicative services so that we don't have gaps in communication

[2:03:38] around needs. The coordination of that team is very much on the behavioral

[2:03:42] health side of things. It doesn't intersect with the co court system in

[2:03:46] the way that Project Connect care coordination does. Um but it is a system

[2:03:50] where we can um bring in other community members to make sure that that

[2:03:56] individual we're serving is really getting what they need to reduce um

[2:04:01] their their trauma. >> Generally if I fair to say generally if

[2:04:07] an individual is struggling outside say right now if they're in a program the

[2:04:11] program will oftentimes provide a case management part to it. If they're not in

[2:04:16] a program, they probably don't have case management because there's not sort of

[2:04:18] floating case management in the community like that these days. What

[2:04:21] happens with the police department is they'll sort of see, I know this person

[2:04:24] over many, many months over and over again. They're calling 911. They're in

[2:04:28] crisis. So, the police department will say, it's in our best interest to try

[2:04:31] and stabilize them ourselves while we try and get them into a program that

[2:04:34] would have the own case management. Is that fair to say? So, it's sort of

[2:04:37] self-s serving some way for the police department to make sure that it's

[2:04:40] decreasing the crisis stuff. Um but also we just don't have sort of generally

[2:04:45] speaking floating case managers in the entire sort of valley just helping

[2:04:49] people through the system. Um that's something that I think ideally we'd love

[2:04:53] to have but is really program based at this point.

[2:04:56] » So then we one of our primary goals here is making sure that the judicial branch

[2:05:01] of the city has what it needs to keep up. And so one of the LDA requests was

[2:05:07] that they need social workers. And so if you're seeing these people, I'm assuming

[2:05:11] LDA is is a it's a likely collaborator on the list of people who are on this

[2:05:17] top 50. And so are we able to mitigate expenses elsewhere in the city budget? I

[2:05:25] I'm I'm not looking to short change. I I was a case manager, believe fully in it,

[2:05:30] but I do want to mitigate the redundancies, especially as we're

[2:05:34] working double and triple time to make sure that, you know, dimes do the work

[2:05:39] of dollars to make sure that everyone's resourced well. Um, does this case

[2:05:45] management help with that alleviate alleviating

[2:05:49] that need later in the pipeline? >> Potentially. I think we are able to

[2:05:55] bring different resources to the table oftent times and we I mean the LDA

[2:06:00] social work team is probably probably one of our closest collaborators outside

[2:06:04] of the chat team. Um we work with those with those teams continually. Um we

[2:06:11] probably talk to them several times a day honestly. Um and so sometimes it's

[2:06:17] it's a matter of who's going to hold the individual at what point in their

[2:06:21] journey. Um, but part of that collaboration meeting really is saying,

[2:06:26] "Okay, you know, LDA, they're in Project Rio.

[2:06:30] We're keeping them with you and we'll let you know if we run into them and if

[2:06:33] they're coming to us for additional needs. They are now yours." Okay.

[2:06:37] » Okay. VA hop, >> you have been working with this person

[2:06:40] and have had a very successful relationship with them. They are yours.

[2:06:45] Let we will let you know if we run into them, okay?

[2:06:48] » But you're holding them. And so there there's so many people with so many

[2:06:52] needs in the community that um we just functionally need to reduce overlap

[2:06:58] because we can't get to everyone and help everyone. Um so I think we really

[2:07:03] have created a pretty functional um not overlapping but collaborating system.

[2:07:10] One of the challenges always comes up is communication and silos. That

[2:07:15] coordination meeting reduces a lot of those. um in addition to our excellent

[2:07:20] relationships with all of the those community providers.

[2:07:23] » Thank you.

[2:07:29] » Okay, we're about to transition away from the social workers. So, any other

[2:07:33] questions we want to pause on? Of course, we can come back, but just want

[2:07:36] to open that door. >> Okay. Um I I guess not not really much

[2:07:43] of much much of a question but I um uh there are obviously

[2:07:49] you know two different tools um and I will I you know one of the things that I

[2:07:55] think it's it's uh it wasn't clear for me for for a while um that um

[2:08:05] you when someone calls uh 911 uh for you know how do you know which one to send

[2:08:12] and how do you how do you uh decide okay we're going to send the chat team or

[2:08:17] we're going to send the other team uh I think that will be important for the

[2:08:20] community to know um uh because there are differences as you highlighted here

[2:08:26] um and and you also put it in the slide that there's only a 6% overlap when you

[2:08:31] know you're sending both teams uh which is you know quite fascinating so the

[2:08:37] majority is not getting both teams. Um, so I would love a little more

[2:08:41] information on that. >> Yeah, we received that question in

[2:08:44] advance and we're able to put a little bit in here. I'm not sure if it'll go to

[2:08:47] quite enough detail, but I feel like it'll help us know where to dig in

[2:08:51] further, but I learned a lot about how those calls get pathed and it I think I

[2:08:56] have a better understanding and we'll get into that after going through the

[2:09:00] other two teams. That sounds good. Just for some clarity on the overlap. If we

[2:09:04] do come out into the same call as professionals, we have the

[2:09:10] conversation about who stays for the call or who leaves or if it's a large

[2:09:14] traumatic event. We're both there and um we're bringing all of our resources to

[2:09:20] bear because we need that that many resources, but we're very cognizant of

[2:09:25] the amount of work that and demand that the city needs. And so um in that 6%

[2:09:32] very very few are the responses where we need both teams um and the preponderance

[2:09:37] of the time is that we're clearing one team or the other depending on what the

[2:09:42] issue is and who's best suited to manage it.

[2:09:45] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:09:51] » All right. Next slide. We're going to move to more of the

[2:09:55] safety and medical work. So outside of social work here, um starting with PCRT,

[2:10:02] which is the police community response team, uh these are nonsworn public

[2:10:07] safety officers, and it's a program that was implemented in 2023.

[2:10:12] They divert low priority calls away from sworn officers, freeing up sworn

[2:10:17] officers for more dangerous calls coming to 911. So basically responding to

[2:10:21] anything that doesn't require a sworn officer. Next slide.

[2:10:26] They have 16 FTEEs and they respond citywide during the hours that u the

[2:10:32] police department determines that they are needed most. You can see that

[2:10:36] there's different hours throughout the week and that's where they've determined

[2:10:39] the need is and these are some of the call types that they'll be sent out on.

[2:10:50] Next slide. All right, on to the next the last one.

[2:10:55] So last hopefully acronym for the night uh MRT, the medical response team and

[2:11:01] fire. Um this like the police social workers is the other one that's been

[2:11:05] around since a decade for a decade. Um these are paramedics who are using

[2:11:10] smaller vehicles to uh answer uh medical calls faster and just easier. Uh so they

[2:11:19] are responding to everything aside from the priority one calls

[2:11:24] » and I'll just share just some budget context of the origin of the medical

[2:11:28] response team. It was actually um the council really challenging the fire

[2:11:32] department because of how expensive fire vehicles are and how um hard they are on

[2:11:38] not just our roads but the environment um and how expensive they are to replace

[2:11:42] and expensive to service. Um the council at the time challenged the fire

[2:11:46] department to come up with a way to respond to medical calls because the

[2:11:50] vast majority of calls to the fire department are medical. Um and so credit

[2:11:55] to the fire team for um coming up with this program because I think it's shown

[2:11:59] to be really successful and has saved the city a ton of money and emissions.

[2:12:05] [laughter] to to put context in 2016 when it began there was a big shelter on

[2:12:10] Rio Grand Street downtown and that was the only shelter along with the uh

[2:12:14] Weaggan Center St. Vincent Depal across the street and the forestry medical

[2:12:17] clinic. So everything was concentrated in that really core downtown area. Um so

[2:12:21] it really if you can imagine a thousand people who were using those services

[2:12:25] every day and trying to get all the vehicles in um multiple times per day um

[2:12:30] you can see sort of the need. Now, the spread out nature now is still useful

[2:12:33] that way, but you can kind of imagine what it was like in 16 versus today,

[2:12:37] too.

[2:12:40] » All right, next slide. MRT has 17 FTEEs. Um, and they are

[2:12:48] available approximately 7:30 a.m. to 8:30 p.m. Monday through Saturday. As I

[2:12:53] mentioned before, they will co-respond with chat when chat is staffed.

[2:12:58] Uh, and as I mentioned before as well, they respond to all calls that are lower

[2:13:03] than priority one. And they will sometimes also respond to priority one

[2:13:07] calls. They're just not the primary dispatch for those ones.

[2:13:12] Next slide. All right. So, these teams are a little

[2:13:17] bit different. Easier to see the difference between them there, but I'm

[2:13:20] still going to compare contrast here a little bit. Um, they are both focused on

[2:13:24] call diversion from sworn officers and firefighters.

[2:13:28] uh they are trying to enable faster responses for all um call priority

[2:13:34] levels and the data shown in the report that we transmitted indicates that we

[2:13:38] are seeing faster responses both um in high priority calls and low priority

[2:13:43] calls when these teams are in service. Um and also the efficiency piece

[2:13:48] mobilizing fewer or less costly resources um to solve the same problems

[2:13:53] um was part of both of these teams. What's unique to PCRT is they're doing

[2:13:58] more incident traffic management work, but they can support both police and

[2:14:03] fire um in emergencies. And fire has actually expressed that how much they

[2:14:08] appreciate the support of PCRT when there's a major fire to keep uh traffic

[2:14:13] cleared out and make sure that they have space um to do the work they need to do.

[2:14:17] What's unique to MRT is doing more health treatment work and decreasing our

[2:14:23] environmental impact with those smaller vehicles.

[2:14:26] Okay, now we're going to dive into 911. Sorry, let's

[2:14:30] » trying to ask the questions as they're coming up. Um, uh, I saw for the MRT

[2:14:36] and, um, for the chat team both referenced, um, some pretty incredible

[2:14:45] statistics about 100% warm handoff and this was in the administrative

[2:14:49] transmitt. Can you talk about what does a warm handoff look like and what comes

[2:14:55] after that? >> I could, but I think Assistant Chief

[2:14:58] Milton would do a better job.

[2:15:09] » Okay. Good afternoon. Uh, Assistant Chief Chris Mill. I'm overseeing the

[2:15:14] medical division where our MRT and Chat uh live and provide services for that.

[2:15:19] So, uh, the question was about warm handoff. Um, as was mentioned with our

[2:15:25] chat program, we're [clears throat] not as involved in long-term case

[2:15:29] management, but that warm handoff would be ever would be to whatever appropriate

[2:15:34] service that person needs. That could be elderly services, that could be

[2:15:38] substance abuse uh services, uh, homeless services. So, um, whatever the

[2:15:44] social worker decides is the appropriate need for that person, they would do

[2:15:48] everything that they could to make that make sure that handoff happens.

[2:15:54] » Sorry for the follow-up. So, is it like here's the phone number to call? Is it

[2:15:58] like I'm going to walk with you down to get to this place? What is what does a

[2:16:03] warm handoff look like? >> It is a combination of all of that,

[2:16:06] right? because um some people are will more willing to take those services,

[2:16:11] others are not. So sometimes it's just a matter of getting that person's cell

[2:16:16] number for followup, which our chat from the PSB can do. Sometimes it is a

[2:16:21] handoff to uh other community uh resources. Sometimes it's up to the ER

[2:16:28] and helping them get into the appropriate service at the ER or mental

[2:16:33] health facilities. So really a combination of all of those. Whatever

[2:16:37] that person is willing to accept and take steps towards that service, that's

[2:16:44] what we're trying to facilitate. >> I'll say in generally when we say a

[2:16:49] referral, it can mean anything. Um sometimes it's electronic where I've met

[2:16:53] with you and you say you should go do this and they put it into electronic

[2:16:57] system and then you're supposed to show up at some point or email which doesn't

[2:17:00] work for a lot of these folks obviously. Um, a referral could also be, well,

[2:17:04] here's the card, go call them and they'll help take care of you, which is

[2:17:07] also a referral. Um, generally, and that could be a part of it as well, but I

[2:17:12] think the effort oftentimes in their teams is a warm one, which is face to

[2:17:15] face as much as possible, phone call to phone call, whatever it is to sort of

[2:17:19] talk to the individual, talk through the situation, physically get them there

[2:17:23] perhaps. I think that's all part of that concept. Uh, as much as they're able to

[2:17:27] do that, is that fair? >> Very, very much so. Additionally,

[2:17:31] sometimes it doesn't happen right there, but with followup, you can further

[2:17:36] facilitate that warm handoff, maybe at another time when they're more open to

[2:17:40] accepting that that help.

[2:17:49] Any more questions? I think that might be it, right? Is that Yes. Go ahead.

[2:17:56] » Thank you. Um, so I appreciate this overview and yes I so I guess I think a

[2:18:03] couple of things. So one is is that I have been here for several years and I

[2:18:08] still sometimes struggle with the acronym pieces and I think that that's

[2:18:13] also like noted not just as like a council member but also as members of

[2:18:19] the public. And so I would wonder like if there's opportunities to be able to

[2:18:24] maybe like whether it's a graphic or you know looking at the naming conventions

[2:18:30] just to make it like that much more clear on like what is the purpose what

[2:18:35] does this group do um and then that way when you interact and engage with them

[2:18:40] you know who to thank you know because I think that sometimes also that does get

[2:18:45] confusing where you're like well I I receive services but I don't know from

[2:18:49] who you know and and we we do I have a lot of residents who want to be able to

[2:18:54] provide their gratitude related to having different different entities come

[2:18:58] out. So I think the messaging slashcommunication side of this has an

[2:19:03] opportunity for a little more clarity. Um because the other side of of that is

[2:19:10] that when I look at a lot of these pieces, I also think to myself like how

[2:19:15] many folks know how many folks know, you know, because it's not usually by by

[2:19:21] just the basis of the triage of the incident. It's not something that's

[2:19:26] going to be on the front page of, you know, the Salt Lake Trib um or at the

[2:19:30] top of your your screen or scroll bar. And you know, yet it's such an important

[2:19:36] need in terms of being able to help our citizens and our residents understand

[2:19:42] that we have more than just the fire department explicitly as you, you know,

[2:19:48] think about it, learning about it in elementary school and the police

[2:19:51] department, you know, when you learn about those concepts. And I think kind

[2:19:55] of broadening that understanding and education would be it for me at least is

[2:20:01] really important for my neighbors to understand because there are a lot of

[2:20:07] things that are in the media right now that can lead folks to questioning like

[2:20:12] where are my taxpayer dollars going and what types of services are we providing

[2:20:16] to address different needs that I'm seeing? And so I think that you know as

[2:20:22] we look at whether it's it's the naming and the communications aspect and or

[2:20:27] just helping our residents kind of understand how the suite of services

[2:20:32] complement each other I think only benefits us as a city to be able to then

[2:20:37] you know support both an understanding of what we have but also future

[2:20:42] conversations about resourcing you know because I'll I'll use one of my examples

[2:20:48] that keeps coming up um which is you know when I'm talking to people about

[2:20:53] the opportunity to expand to an additional chat team um you know as soon

[2:20:59] as I say that to any of these wonderful individuals they know exactly what I'm

[2:21:03] talking about but when I talk about it at the dinner table or with neighbors or

[2:21:08] residents or while I'm out on a walk like what's chat like I don't know what

[2:21:12] that is you know and for me I want that to be something where folks know like

[2:21:17] they know what that resource is they know what it means and what they're

[2:21:20] doing in our city and how it supports the overall ecosystem of how we're

[2:21:26] treating people with humanity in their moments of of highest need. So, um thank

[2:21:32] you. I think this was so valuable. And to like the eight people online who are

[2:21:36] watching, yes, that's a start. Um, but I would love to see that, you know, taken

[2:21:42] a step or two further so that we have a broader vocabulary for folks to be aware

[2:21:49] of how comprehensive the city approaches.

[2:21:56] » I'll just thank you for that perspective and we can certainly do more. We we have

[2:22:01] had some really good coverage in the news lately and we our community

[2:22:06] relations division can do more on that but definitely noted about your

[2:22:10] perspective and how we can get that out get that word out and promote that team.

[2:22:17] Um I this is why you know having this deeper discussion about the work that uh

[2:22:25] and this is one um this uh is going to be a series of presentations. So I I

[2:22:33] mean understanding the level of work that the city is doing. Um also

[2:22:39] it just amazes me that is we're talking about a portion of the things that the

[2:22:43] city does on this on this topic and we're talking about almost 60 people uh

[2:22:47] right now. Almost 60 people are working day in and day out on mitigating uh this

[2:22:52] crisis in our streets. Um and that [snorts] is just a portion of the other

[2:22:57] tools that we haven't talked about it yet. Um, so to me, um, when many of our

[2:23:03] neighbors talk about what are what is Salt Lake City doing, we should be able

[2:23:07] to quickly say this is what we're doing and our taxpayers are actually,

[2:23:14] you know, paying for this. The Salt Lake City taxpayers are are trying to solve a

[2:23:19] statewide crisis. Um, and we are trying to do it with our own dollars. Um, and I

[2:23:26] I'm so incredibly thankful for all the people and and the city team that are uh

[2:23:31] working so hard on on trying to um mitigate this crisis in our streets. Um,

[2:23:37] and I I'm thankful to know this this information. I um I often um

[2:23:45] unfortunately and maybe it happens to you uh u that someone will call me and

[2:23:51] says I don't know where to go. Uh I have a family member that is struggling with

[2:23:56] something. Um and I sometimes don't know where to go myself, right? Like I don't

[2:24:01] know where to call them. I don't even know who to ask. So I I hope that the

[2:24:06] information uh could be more easily accessible for the community uh to know

[2:24:12] um to know and uh I I do appreciate this this the time that you guys put together

[2:24:18] to to to put this uh this together. One of

[2:24:23] No, one of the questions that always comes out during the budget is about

[2:24:26] data and metrics. Um, and I would like to know um, with all of these teams,

[2:24:35] including the the ones that we're not talking about today that they are

[2:24:40] somehow under the purview of of the city. Um, are we sharing information?

[2:24:46] Are we using one system or multiple systems to track cases or interactions

[2:24:53] or h how is it that data being managed from the city side and does the state

[2:25:00] know that we're doing this? I guess is my question sometimes?

[2:25:07] » I think my understanding is they're not tracking on systems together. Um do you

[2:25:12] have more? >> Yeah. So, um, this is a big discussion,

[2:25:16] probably more than we have a few minutes here for, but I think it'd be a good

[2:25:20] discussion to have with everybody. The fire department has a tracking system

[2:25:23] and data. Police department has a tracking system and data. Um, and 911

[2:25:27] works with both of those, I believe. Um, the social workers, depending on the

[2:25:30] situation, will track stuff in their respective database. Um, but not

[2:25:35] necessarily with the statewide database. So the statewide database for say

[2:25:39] homeless management information systems doesn't necessarily include this

[2:25:42] information when they go to the hospital for a lot of these teams that may be the

[2:25:46] destination for a lot of folks. The hospital has its own tracking system and

[2:25:50] if they bill Medicaid it's a tracking system there and the hospital

[2:25:52] proprietary track. You see how this kind of works now. So yes it is a great

[2:25:57] point. We would love a system that would have everything integrated. I think a

[2:26:01] lot of what we do in the city is actively manage our own internal systems

[2:26:04] to provide this um to external partners as we need but it's not necessarily a

[2:26:08] forward- facing system and there's nothing that I'm aware of that takes

[2:26:12] everything to account for the whole system. Now the lifeman work at the

[2:26:15] county is talking about that issue itself um and really taking that on to

[2:26:20] some extent. It's a really big ask but that'd be a great place to start um

[2:26:24] focusing some energy to make sure that we're all integrated outside of the city

[2:26:27] as well.

[2:26:31] I think I heard you know from the team on some of the requests from the Lifman

[2:26:35] group you know that that is one of the goals is trying to make sure that the

[2:26:38] databases and the data from I'm not talking necessarily they were not

[2:26:43] necessarily talking about the city they were talking about the all of the other

[2:26:46] tools talking to each other which uh I think will help um understand the the

[2:26:50] problem and identify the solutions better. Council member Petro,

[2:26:54] » I know when they go to the hospital, there are HIPPA protections that make

[2:26:57] sharing data more difficult and I'm a heavy advocate for people who are in

[2:27:03] crisis or need our help should not have their dignity compromised. So, I

[2:27:06] wouldn't want anything that like puts pictures of people out there or

[2:27:11] anything. But are there other barriers to is it is it a systemic issue just

[2:27:16] with because of the siloed nature in which these things kind of popped up

[2:27:20] that we don't have a way to share data or are there other barriers to us being

[2:27:24] able to share data first within the city and then with other with other agencies

[2:27:28] outside of us? >> Well to make some really big

[2:27:33] generalizations and statements here that uh I may regret later.

[2:27:39] Generally speaking, data will follow funding and um getting paid for a

[2:27:44] service, right? And so if you want to get a lot of robust data, you got to

[2:27:49] find out who's billing for what service and where and how they're doing it. With

[2:27:52] a lot of the folks we're talking about who interact with these diversified

[2:27:56] response um groups, um they're probably Medicaid eligible or have Medicaid. When

[2:28:00] they get to a provider like a hospital, the provider is doing a service and

[2:28:04] billing Medicare for that service. So there's some accountability there. Each

[2:28:08] hospital system is different. University of Utah for Medicaid as a Medicaid

[2:28:12] provider, Inter Mountain um health for their system. Uh if you end up at a

[2:28:17] small provider, it could be the county system or through the state as well. So

[2:28:21] you can get a sense there's proprietary about what software they're using and

[2:28:24] how they're billing it, who they're billing for. Um and then to your point,

[2:28:29] everyone wants to make sure that they are safe from legal issues.

[2:28:34] Um all of these protections were meant to protect somebody but not necessarily

[2:28:38] restrict access to care. So even health care providers can for continuity of

[2:28:43] care share information between themselves and they do a lot but it does

[2:28:48] mean some paperwork and it does mean some transfer of information. So the

[2:28:51] system is not as seamless as probably most people would like. Um that's why

[2:28:55] it's a very big lift for many years to try to take on all those systems

[2:28:58] together and figure out are you going to share a common system economy language?

[2:29:02] are you going to agree to the legal parameters of this so we don't um

[2:29:06] sacrifice personal dignity and safety um for continuity of care across different

[2:29:11] systems? And then when we talk about um trying to get our our first responders

[2:29:15] integrated into that, that's a whole another level, right? Because they're

[2:29:18] not necessarily healthare workers in that sense. And so some healthcare

[2:29:22] agencies may be a little dubious about allowing police social workers in their

[2:29:25] systems and fire, etc., even though they may see there's some benefit

[2:29:29] potentially. So there's a lot of that you have to work through over time.

[2:29:35] » Yeah. Um just additional support in context. So like the entire state of

[2:29:41] Utah does not have a single student information system across all of K12.

[2:29:46] Like we've yet to be able to achieve that and that is a single government

[2:29:51] entity that oversees that. Um so I appreciate that the lift is large. I

[2:29:57] guess my my takeaway and my support for continuing the conversation is that

[2:30:02] there were so many times where we were this close to doing it. Um, and it was

[2:30:08] one of those, nope, the scope's too large. Oh, it's going to cost too much

[2:30:12] money, man. It's just too many partners, you know, connecting on different

[2:30:16] things. And the further away from those moments we got, the bigger the problems

[2:30:22] got. So, we have to start somewhere. And even if it's like, you know, chipping

[2:30:27] away at, you know, the major iceberg that's floating, to me, those are

[2:30:32] valuable efforts in terms of ultimately creating a pathway towards solution that

[2:30:38] better serves the individuals. One of the most like interesting quotes that I

[2:30:43] can never take out of my head from like the K12 space is that students switching

[2:30:47] schools is the equivalent of secondhand smoke um to individuals in terms of

[2:30:52] their ability to receive the services they need and for the individuals who

[2:30:57] serve them to have the information they need to be able to make those services

[2:31:00] happen. And so anything that helps clear out the smoke, I'm here for. And just

[2:31:05] appreciate the city leaning into those where it's possible.

[2:31:09] » When I just talked about the 30,000 foot level of the systems and the

[2:31:14] complexities of those systems on an aggregate, thousands and hundreds of

[2:31:18] thousands of people. Um, one of the things about Project Connect, which we

[2:31:22] did intentionally, was with no money, we took two full-time positions from the

[2:31:27] police department and they volunteered to move over to this job um, separate

[2:31:30] from their social work jobs. And we said, "Figure it out. These are 50

[2:31:34] people we know somewhat a little bit about and we need somebody to go in and

[2:31:38] on an individual basis for these 50 people, figure things out." And that

[2:31:42] meant that those social workers went into those systems and said,"I need to

[2:31:45] advocate here and here and here and share information between these entities

[2:31:49] and they're already getting case managed here. So I need to make sure that they

[2:31:52] are touching base with that on a micro level is what the connect team is

[2:31:57] doing." If you can take the lessons learned from that, number one, they're

[2:32:01] helping those individuals navigate those systems more effectively and get better

[2:32:04] care. two, if you can take the learning from those um their interactions and

[2:32:08] they can point out some gaps and things that could be done better, that's

[2:32:12] informing the county discussion and the state discussion. So, we use connect for

[2:32:15] that reason as well. Um sometimes it's easier to go on an individual basis to

[2:32:19] point out the system than the the whole system at once.

[2:32:24] » Um >> Mr. Chair,

[2:32:26] » yes. >> Um I believe Megan has another section

[2:32:28] of her presentation just so you know. I was gonna just yeah take you know when

[2:32:32] we are quiet you know just move ahead on the slides.

[2:32:36] » No this has been great I feel like lots of great questions um all super

[2:32:39] relevant. Next slide. All right so digging into that dispatch

[2:32:46] call routing question. Um let's see. Dispatchers use a CAD system computer

[2:32:52] aided dispatch uh to route all of their calls. And the CAD is programmed to send

[2:32:57] calls either down the fire to fire or to PD and then they funnel down to the

[2:33:03] different teams um from there based on established protocols that are created

[2:33:08] in collaboration between the departments and 911.

[2:33:13] Okay, next slide and we can come back around. I hope that the slides help

[2:33:17] bring clarity as we go through. Um let's see. All right. So, talking specifically

[2:33:23] about fire working with dispatch, um we've talked I've already um talked

[2:33:28] about this a little bit, but MRT is the primary dispatch for all medical calls

[2:33:32] except priority 1. And chat is typically responding with MRT, but is

[2:33:37] automatically dispatched for um this list of call types.

[2:33:46] And something interesting we've talked about while developing this report was

[2:33:50] um the support that chat provides for um families or witnesses of a cardiac

[2:33:56] arrest which is um apparently quite traumatizing to witness and experience

[2:34:01] especially with a loved one. And so I just wanted to point that out because

[2:34:05] it's a space that um they have kind of unique access to support people. Next

[2:34:10] slide.

[2:34:13] All right. for police call routing. Um, PCRT is automatically dispatched on

[2:34:18] calls that do not require a sworn officer. I know that is way too small to

[2:34:22] be able to read it. I had listed some of them earlier. I just wanted to show how

[2:34:26] many types of calls they could cover and I'm happy to send a easier to read

[2:34:31] version of that if you'd like. Oh, there we go. That's awesome.

[2:34:36] Thank you.

[2:34:45] All right. And then um the community connection team, the police social

[2:34:49] workers, they are not automatically dispatched right now. And I learned

[2:34:54] while putting this together that the police call needs are a bit more unclear

[2:34:59] often than the fire calls. So when something goes down fire for medical

[2:35:04] reasons, it's they they've indicated very clear that that's the need. When

[2:35:09] police is sent out, it could be um trespassing, uh suspicious activity, or

[2:35:15] someone hasn't answered their door and someone's worried about their

[2:35:18] well-being. And then also what a dispatcher hears

[2:35:22] can be quite different from what an officer experiences on a scene. And so

[2:35:27] police relies on that officer identifying a need for a social worker

[2:35:32] before dispatching the police social workers. So that's a little bit of the

[2:35:36] why there. And I thought that was helpful to better understand

[2:35:40] Carson. >> Yeah, I think um that was that's a

[2:35:44] helpful distinction um for me. And I I guess I'm wondering like what would

[2:35:48] trigger an officer to request a CCT response and what does training look

[2:35:55] like across all officers to let them know that this is a resource that

[2:35:59] exists?

[2:36:09] So training across all officers. Um our social workers spend a bunch of time at

[2:36:15] the academy. We run the 40hour crisis intervention training uh

[2:36:23] process with all of our officers who come through our academy and also our

[2:36:29] lateral transfer officers. Um there are definitely officers who use the resource

[2:36:34] more than others. Um but any type of social service need can elicit a social

[2:36:42] work response. Um any type of trauma where there's emotional distress. Um we

[2:36:49] get called out on those frequently. Um oftent times when there's an issue where

[2:36:55] DCFS may become involved um that is also a space that we're in frequently helping

[2:37:02] manage that and giving a civilian social work response especially when

[2:37:06] interacting with children. Sometimes cops are really cool sometimes it can

[2:37:11] feel kind of scary. Um so we we are our our officers are really great at kind of

[2:37:17] reading the scene. establishing safety as our primary concern for the

[2:37:20] individuals involved in the crisis and um for our personnel um and then and

[2:37:26] then pairing that response. The other unique piece that I don't think we

[2:37:30] really captured in this presentation is our social workers know the people who

[2:37:35] call, right? We know all of the frequent 911 callers. And so our social workers,

[2:37:40] if they're not out in the field, will actually watch the call log and just

[2:37:45] proactively pull calls off the call log and say, "Okay, I know this caller.

[2:37:52] Don't send patrol. I'm getting on the phone with them to see if I can manage

[2:37:56] them because they're schizophrenic and always suicidal, right?" But we're

[2:38:01] really good at safety planning and talking them down and they're, you know,

[2:38:04] we can establish safety without even an in-person response often times. And so

[2:38:09] that's a huge cost savings to the system. Um where we can manage a lot of

[2:38:14] crisis just telephonically. Um come up with a plan to go out and and visit with

[2:38:19] the with the community member when things are a little more stable or when

[2:38:25] they need additional intervention. And we can always circle back and pull in

[2:38:29] patrol or a medical response if needed. I mean this, you know, makes me wonder

[2:38:36] about the regular training uh for for officers because that's a, you know,

[2:38:42] conversation we had related older items. Um, I wonder if this uh if the

[2:38:47] department can highlight how often they they do this and if it's mandatory or or

[2:38:53] or not uh to because I to me um the more um the the more used to uh our you know

[2:39:04] that our officers know that these resources are there you know the better

[2:39:08] will be for everybody. Um, >> so the CIT training is mandatory for

[2:39:13] everyone who comes through the academy and that's a full training on behavioral

[2:39:19] health, developmental disabilities, different presentations. This person

[2:39:23] might be having a medical event as opposed to being on a substance. Uh,

[2:39:28] here are ways to vet these things out and establish safety. a lot of grounding

[2:39:34] tools and basic, you know, cognitive behavioral tools that we can use to

[2:39:41] deescalate situations. Um, and that process all happens in tandem with our

[2:39:46] social workers. So, they're also developing those relationships. Ongoing

[2:39:51] training happens several times a year for the officers

[2:39:55] who are assigned to our CIT division that co-respond that is one of the

[2:40:01] co-response opportunities for our social workers. And so we have three dedicated

[2:40:05] detectives there and a sergeant over that unit. They help manage more of our

[2:40:09] frequent callers um who tend to be a little bit more dangerous where we're

[2:40:13] not just going to send a civilian response out. have um some safety

[2:40:17] concerns and then we're working on integrating into trimester training

[2:40:24] annually or every other year ongoing CIT reboots. Um the standard I believe that

[2:40:32] the state is I think it's four hours every 3 years

[2:40:37] which is not a high bar. everything that we do involves deescalation and um and

[2:40:44] safety management of a scene. And so officers are already getting that. We're

[2:40:50] not we're not maybe tracking what qualifies as those trainings

[2:40:56] all of the time, but we are we can look at training rosters and say, "Okay,

[2:41:00] you've got deescalation, you've got mental health stabilization training,

[2:41:04] those types of things." I think that's that's something

[2:41:08] interesting to me to make sure that there is more more of that you know

[2:41:11] regular training beyond post academy right um and uh that you know we we

[2:41:17] highlight because certainly even from our side we may be putting more

[2:41:22] resources into different tools right and and you know that changes right because

[2:41:26] there might be more opportunities to connect people um with the right with

[2:41:31] the right um response I guess um So I I would love to uh identify some more of

[2:41:38] that information. I think the community also expects to know that you know I

[2:41:42] think that it builds trust even more with with our good uh frontline officers

[2:41:48] uh to know that they are uh that that's part of their training or regular

[2:41:51] training. So thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:41:55] » Keep going. [sighs] >> I think there's just two more slides.

[2:41:58] We're almost done. >> Okay, we can do it.

[2:42:00] » Next slide. >> All right. So, this is talking about

[2:42:04] when protocol needs to change. Um, 911 hosts a monthly users meeting with both

[2:42:10] police and fire um to discuss any issues which could help push for change if it's

[2:42:14] needed. Um, but I learned that the fire department is probably changing protocol

[2:42:18] a bit more frequently. Um, dispatch has shared that they have a wider range of

[2:42:23] resources to dispatch and therefore the range of needs can be quite different

[2:42:29] based on call type and they adapt over time to what they learn and might change

[2:42:33] protocol to better serve the call types as they see fit. They'll they have a

[2:42:39] committee that brings updates to fire leadership that they want to make to

[2:42:42] protocol and if it's approved by um fire leadership then they work with dispatch

[2:42:48] to address that protocol. The police department has a a person who is a

[2:42:52] liaison and works directly with dispatch whenever issues are identified by the

[2:42:57] department. [snorts] And then next slide just I believe just

[2:43:03] talks about next steps. Allison mentioned these as well, I think, but we

[2:43:07] can talk about um the other four programs. We could talk about the

[2:43:11] guiding principles that we used to develop the metrics that we selected for

[2:43:16] measuring success in the report we transmitted. And we could dig into the

[2:43:20] data that's in the appendex of the report that is based on those 26

[2:43:24] metrics. That is all we have.

[2:43:32] » Thank you for the information. I'm looking forward to, you know, dig into

[2:43:36] some of the um the data you sent us um and uh and and to highlight to the

[2:43:43] community the work that that we do um as a city. It's also impressive the that

[2:43:48] you're tracking, you know, the calls and how many interactions. I mean, that's

[2:43:53] that's useful for the community. I feel like that's something that should be

[2:43:58] regular reported. Uh should be, you know, very widely known. Um, council

[2:44:03] member Young, >> I just had one, I guess, additional

[2:44:07] question. In the case that, let's say the routing

[2:44:15] happens, but then maybe extra people like get

[2:44:19] notified that there's that there's a challenge or a concern. Do we have like

[2:44:24] a policy or a protocol or a recommendation on how like if we all

[2:44:30] show up and we're like, "Oh, okay. Well, like this team's got it." Like that

[2:44:36] we're allowing other resources to then be redeployed elsewhere. Does that make

[2:44:41] sense kind of what I'm saying? >> Yes. I'm not quite sure how to answer it

[2:44:46] though. I think Christina hit on it a little bit in talking about if both

[2:44:49] social work teams are called out and they would discuss what is best as the

[2:44:54] response. But >> yeah, and I guess like so the way I

[2:44:57] could see this happening, here's my scenario, Lisa. Um but would be so let's

[2:45:03] say there's an incident and we have multiple people calling in and the

[2:45:08] multiple people calling in are reporting different aspects of the incident and

[2:45:13] then all of the sudden all of our city teams get there and they're like wait a

[2:45:17] minute you're here you know and so like just how how that transpires in terms of

[2:45:23] just being thoughtful about not overwhelming a situation and tying up

[2:45:29] city resources when they may be other needs.

[2:45:32] » This is so interesting. I'm sorry to jump in before you, but when I was over

[2:45:35] at dispatch watching, I just kind of sat and watched them do their job. Yeah,

[2:45:39] » this happened where um there was a whole group of people calling and it was

[2:45:43] actually very scary sounding and it sounded like everyone was quite scared

[2:45:47] and I think three different dispatchers were on a call with a different person

[2:45:51] involved in an incident and you can probably explain better what happens

[2:45:55] when this >> so our

[2:45:58] um sorry I am quiet so I am Elizabeth Elgen assistant director with Salt Lake

[2:46:03] City 911 our CAD system identifies duplicate calls So if three different

[2:46:10] people are taking a call at the same address, they're going to get a

[2:46:13] notification that there is already a call made at that address. So we don't

[2:46:17] make multiple calls for the same thing. Typically, if we end up with chat and

[2:46:24] police social workers on scene at the same time, it's because the police

[2:46:28] department asks for social workers and then the fire department sent a medical

[2:46:34] response team and chat automatically is with them. It's not because both

[2:46:38] departments were requested. >> Got it.

[2:46:41] » They're just always with the MRT if they're on duty.

[2:46:45] » Okay. >> And then like Christina said, they will

[2:46:48] um decide amongst themselves who's going to

[2:46:52] take responsibility for that call. So, >> perfect.

[2:46:56] » I think that's how that usually >> that's helpful. Yes. Thank you. Sorry,

[2:46:59] it was just a question I had like related to how we're also not

[2:47:06] overwhelming a scene related to resources. Just noting there's so many

[2:47:09] needs across the city. So, >> thank you.

[2:47:14] » And just wanted to quickly um express my gratitude and thanks um to you for

[2:47:19] putting this together, but um because I know this took a long time. Um but also

[2:47:25] to everybody that's worked on all of these different response models. Um, I

[2:47:30] remember reading about the um, community connection team starting in 2016,

[2:47:38] running in 2017, learning more about uh, at when the

[2:47:43] shelters were coming online and all of those challenges to all of the things

[2:47:47] that we did in 2020 and and since then. So, um it's it's feels very full circle

[2:47:54] for me and I know that we still have a lot of work to do, but I really do

[2:47:59] believe that the success of um the public safety plan um and then the the

[2:48:06] numbers that we're seeing of things um coming down and and improving are a

[2:48:12] result of this thing that we've built, this system. and

[2:48:17] um it really gives me a lot of confidence moving forward. So I want to

[2:48:21] thank everyone for their hard work and um definitely don't want to rest on our

[2:48:27] laurels but um this is I think a really cool thing. I'm proud to be a part of

[2:48:33] it.

[2:48:36] » Thank you. Um I is I know that they put a lot of work Oh yes, Rachel. Uh they

[2:48:41] put a lot of work into putting this together. So thank you Rachel. Thank you

[2:48:45] so much. And I don't want to take up too much time, but I did just want to say um

[2:48:49] thank you so much to the council. I think you know we've obviously spent a

[2:48:53] lot of time with you on this. And though the programs that we're going to talk

[2:48:57] about both both today and that we'll talk about in our next briefing seem

[2:49:01] somewhat disperate, I think, you know, at least since 2020, um the council's

[2:49:05] been a great partner with the mayor's office and just making sure that as we

[2:49:10] are, you know, kind of developing these creative and nimble responses to the

[2:49:14] what we're seeing on the street that they it has been grounded in the same

[2:49:18] values and the guiding principles that we've kind of brought to you each time.

[2:49:23] So, you know, making sure that people are um treated with dignity and they're

[2:49:27] getting the services they need. Um trying to make sure that our public

[2:49:30] spaces are clean and safe and welcoming. And then, of course, you know,

[2:49:35] committing to ongoing efficiency and transparency and accountability for each

[2:49:39] of these programs. So, thank you for for being willing to go on this journey with

[2:49:43] us. Um, and then, you know, not to be duplicative and thank you, um, Council

[2:49:47] Member Wharton for your for your gratitude to this team, but I just think

[2:49:50] these teams are doing really, really special and impactful work. And, um,

[2:49:55] thanks for recognizing that. It's it's hard to put together in a way that looks

[2:50:00] cohesive across the board. But I also want to say thank you to Megan for

[2:50:03] spending a ton of time on this to to try to bring it together and really

[2:50:07] highlight the work of, I think, these really important teams. So, thanks for

[2:50:10] giving us this time. No, and I thank you for putting together that. I hope that

[2:50:15] that document uh is shared wide because it is an incredible amount of work um

[2:50:21] that the city is doing. Our taxpayers are supporting this work. Um and what

[2:50:26] sometimes, you know, we hear about the frustrations

[2:50:30] um I know that we're doing a lot to mitigate, you know, uh to to mitigate

[2:50:35] this crisis. Um so it's very impressive to see how all of this works together.

[2:50:40] Um I um in some of the conversations that the county and and Andrew can help

[2:50:46] me with this, but they they were talking about 911 scripting

[2:50:52] u and the Lichman group is asking for the city to um join in into a new

[2:51:00] script. Um, and I would love to know if you if we know about this or if we need

[2:51:08] to connect more people about what what the county is asking from all the other

[2:51:14] dispatch agencies to do. >> So what do you mean by scripting?

[2:51:19] » There is maybe this is what Andrew can help. This is what

[2:51:24] » so one of the

[2:51:27] » do this one of the lifeman group recommendations was um to include mental

[2:51:33] health screening or a screening question about mental health crisis in 911

[2:51:37] dispatch work. And so that's what the county is talking about and integrating

[2:51:40] that into the upfront um uh talking when you're talking to a crisis situation

[2:51:46] about how do you identify that as the core issue?

[2:51:49] » Okay. Yeah, we do. If we believe there is a mental health

[2:51:53] crisis occurring, we do have protocols for

[2:51:58] trying to get information about what level of crisis are they in. Are they

[2:52:02] danger a danger to themselves or others? Is it an active danger? And if it's not,

[2:52:07] we can connect them with MCOT. We can let MCOT triage further while we stay on

[2:52:12] the phone. >> Yeah.

[2:52:14] » They will say if they need us to send a response or if they think they can

[2:52:17] handle it. So we don't have any scripted questions for that but we do have

[2:52:23] procedures for how to handle those. >> Yeah. I and I'm trying to figure out you

[2:52:28] know how you know the why the reasoning of asking uh you know other agencies

[2:52:33] that are doing this um to join into this script uh and to have that as part of

[2:52:40] their dispatch. So, I I might have to collect more information from that side

[2:52:44] and then connect with 911 to see, you know, why why we should and why what you

[2:52:50] guys think about this. Um, but it it's some of the recommendations and they're

[2:52:55] coming back to the city and I'm trying to figure out where I need to send them.

[2:53:00] » Mr. Chair, if I might. So all the the working groups um that the lifeman group

[2:53:05] that the county is standing up to implement the lifeman group

[2:53:07] recommendations we are ensuring that city staff is you know appropriate city

[2:53:11] staff is in each of those and so maybe part of this goes to the difference of

[2:53:15] between I think Beck and how we dispatch and so there is you know our systems

[2:53:20] aren't identical but I feel really confident that our system is um attuned

[2:53:26] with what we you know where we need to be going with these mental health calls.

[2:53:30] So, um, if there's anything else you want to add about the differences

[2:53:33] between VEC and how we dispatch, go for it.

[2:53:35] » We work pretty closely with Beck. So, if they and also our medical director for

[2:53:41] Salt Lake City 911 and Beck is the same person. So, if there is a determined

[2:53:46] there's a recommendation that we use certain language when we're handling

[2:53:50] calls for mental health services, we will also incorporate that into ours

[2:53:54] because we're all operating under the same medical director. So if that

[2:53:58] recommendation comes down, we would both do it. We use the same protocol system,

[2:54:05] Beck and us, for handling medical calls. We have our own sets, if that makes any

[2:54:12] sense, because we Salt Lake City has a more tiered response to medical calls

[2:54:16] than Vet currently does. So they're but it's the same system. We

[2:54:20] all use Appco for our emergency medical dispatch. So if there's a recommended

[2:54:25] change by Dr. on we will make the change the same as vectors.

[2:54:30] » That's helpful. Thank you. Sorry for like just popped in my head. We were

[2:54:34] like 911 and I was like I heard about this.

[2:54:36] » One more question. Sorry Mr. Chair. Have we taken this presentation like on the

[2:54:41] road um to [laughter] to show

[2:54:46] » Okay. I would love it. I I mean if we can share this with like the state

[2:54:51] office of homeless services or or other individuals that to kind of show um the

[2:54:58] work that we're doing and and I would think even policing groups would be

[2:55:02] interested in um our non uh sworn officer responses. I

[2:55:08] know that those calls can be those like lower priority calls are

[2:55:15] still important but is you know it frees up officer time. So I would love it if

[2:55:20] we can like proactively share some of this information.

[2:55:24] » Thank you. >> I think the community councils we should

[2:55:27] should also be exposed to this. >> That's good. Yeah, that'd be great too.

[2:55:30] » Um so um this is this amazing. I I mean that was that was a lot of work to put

[2:55:37] together. So, might as well show it off uh because it's quite impressive. So,

[2:55:41] thank you. Um I think that concludes the presentation. Uh thank you so much for

[2:55:45] this. Thank you. Thank you.

[2:55:51] » Um I don't see Ben Raskin, are you here? No.

[2:55:58] Um are we we are ahead of time. Have we contacted? No. Huh?

[2:56:17] taking a break. >> So, let's let's

[2:56:20] » or we can do the other items. >> There's nothing.

[2:56:24] So, this is the last item. I um So, let's let's do this. Let's take a a a

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[3:10:20] » Welcome back. We are going to hear item number nine

[3:10:25] now, which is a board appointment for the planning commission. And we're going

[3:10:28] to welcome Ben Raskin to the table right here. And [snorts] you can uh you can

[3:10:34] tell us uh why do you want to join the planning commission? um push the button

[3:10:39] so the microphone is on has a green light on and then yeah tell us briefly

[3:10:44] why you want to join the planning commission.

[3:10:46] » Absolutely. Uh make sure this is on. >> Yes.

[3:10:50] » Perfect. Perfect. Thank you very much. Well, thank you very much for having me

[3:10:55] here today. Uh three years ago I had the privilege of coming before this board

[3:10:59] and speaking with you in regards to being a member of a civilian review

[3:11:02] board. I spent three years working on that committee and it was absolutely

[3:11:06] instrumental in uh revitalizing my love of both our community, the work our sub

[3:11:11] public servants do, law enforcement and opportunities that we can make

[3:11:15] improvements both public safety and the general perception of use of force in

[3:11:19] the state or rather in the city. Uh my service with the uh civilian review

[3:11:23] board ends at the end of this month. and speaking with council member uh Young,

[3:11:28] she said there was an opportunity for the city planning committee which would

[3:11:31] be a chance to kind of like pair a relationship that pair this uh love that

[3:11:36] I have of both our city, the buildings, the people who live here and basically

[3:11:41] how we have this inner re in uh this relationship between how we're building

[3:11:45] it for the future but as well as preserving for the past. Um before I go

[3:11:49] any further, I just want to make one really quick note. As I am leaving the

[3:11:52] civilian review board, I wanted to make bring to you guys' attention uh two very

[3:11:56] special individuals. Uh chief investigator, uh Tanya Richardson and

[3:12:00] facilitator Christy Marcy. They're the ones that have been running the CRB and

[3:12:03] the work they do is makes them public servants extraordinary. And if you

[3:12:07] haven't had a chance to meet them, I would definitely send I would make an

[3:12:10] opportunity to go talk to them and see the work that they are actually doing

[3:12:13] there. So anyway, I believe that the planning commission faces issues that

[3:12:17] are requiring balancing competing interests, studying the facts, and

[3:12:20] making decisions that we can both serve the both the future and our p and our

[3:12:24] future, I'm sorry, our current residents and our future residents. And uh I hope

[3:12:28] the skills that I've developed on the CRB will prepare me well for this

[3:12:30] responsibility and I'd be honored to continue serving the people of Salt Lake

[3:12:34] City in this new capacity. So, thank you very much for this opportunity and I

[3:12:38] appreciate this time with you, >> Council Member Young. Oh my gosh, I

[3:12:42] could talk about Ben forever. Um, so I think one of the things that I

[3:12:47] appreciate about Ben most and I'll share with the other council members is that

[3:12:52] your interests in the city are so diverse. Um, and I think you've touched

[3:12:57] on many of those experiences and commitments um, already and how you've

[3:13:02] shown up to represent and kind of serve the voice of your community. Um, but

[3:13:07] whether you were reaching out to me about a park that was in your area or

[3:13:12] chatting with me about some of the road construction and the impacts on

[3:13:16] businesses, um, you know, talking about our needs in the public safety sector

[3:13:21] and how we are comprehensively addressing that, not just for Sugar

[3:13:24] House but for the entire city. Um it has always struck me as something that is um

[3:13:30] different than a lot of the other interactions I have. And it is that

[3:13:35] comprehensive and holistic view that I think will really benefit you in

[3:13:40] representing our community on the planning um commission is because yes,

[3:13:45] you are making decisions that are specific to land use and zoning, but

[3:13:50] that it's not just about a building. It's also about what that means to the

[3:13:55] greater community and considering that larger context um as part of the the

[3:14:00] process moving forward. So I could not be more excited to have you um

[3:14:05] representing for our community and am just very very grateful for the

[3:14:10] professionalism and the dedication you have already shown the city and that I

[3:14:14] know you will continue to do in this role.

[3:14:16] » Thank you very much. Thank thank you uh for your willingness

[3:14:21] to uh to share your your time and talents uh with the city. I um I it it

[3:14:27] really uh not only from running for office but also turning that energy into

[3:14:32] service to the city. So thank thank you for for your for for doing that. Um uh

[3:14:38] you are going to be placed on the consent agenda for tonight's meeting.

[3:14:42] You don't have to be there to uh it's quite boring. Uh, we approve the consent

[3:14:47] agenda. >> I'm glad I lost the race then.

[3:14:49] [laughter] >> Uh, so I um but I So you you will be

[3:14:54] placed on the consent agenda and the administration will reach out to you

[3:14:57] with next steps. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate that.

[3:14:59] » Thank you. >> Awesome. Thank you.

[3:15:04] » So there's uh no report from me. Is there a report from you? No. No report

[3:15:09] from the vice chair. Uh is there a report announcements from the executive

[3:15:14] director? No reporting announcement from the executive director and there's not

[3:15:18] 10 there's no closed meeting. So this adjourns the meeting until 7 pm tonight.

[3:15:23] Thank you. >> Food is on the

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