[0:02] We are now into the last commission meeting of the city

[0:07] today

[0:11] and we're going into recess for

[0:20] » and we're now open.

[0:28] Welcome everybody to Sam and Chief Planning Commission September 1st. Here

[0:32] we go. As you may not have picked up on, but we've been having some technical

[0:38] problems in chambers and we have a couple times that weren't full

[0:43] participation by community. So to ensure that

[0:48] otherwise we wanted to make sure everything was okay.

[0:53] Um, as a result, however, I I didn't I just pulled up thinking we were not

[0:59] going to come here from the health foundation. How many people are here on

[1:02] health foundation? I was like, yeah, I pulled out that was going to be

[1:11] 20 minutes ago, but now go forward. I left all my stuff

[1:17] on there on my website at home. So um you guys will go to me take a 20 minute

[1:24] recess home get everything and come right back so everyone okay

[1:35] move to reset meeting

[1:42] back here at um how about let's call 2:30

[1:47] chart.

[2:00] This is the point of time.

[2:14] To the flag of the United States of America and to the

[2:19] stand, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice

[2:25] for all [clears throat]

[2:30] of

[2:34] » Commissioner Korea, >> Commissioner

[2:39] Commissioner >> here

[3:00] » we have the pleasure of having our two commissioners and I believe

[3:05] introduction Um, I'm actually going to let both Nick Leget and Stephanie Korea

[3:12] um introduce themselves and give a background and why they're why they're

[3:17] here. Why?

[3:22] » Hi, I'm Stephanie Korea.

[3:28] Hi, I'm Stephanie Korea and I was born in Boston Hospital in Ballister a long

[3:35] time ago. Grew up in San went away to college and a career and

[3:43] came back six years ago after about 45 years being away.

[3:47] And the reason that I joined is because uh I and a few people in this audience

[3:54] have had the pleasure of seeing someone in her glory days and I would humbly

[4:00] like to bring us back to that. I need to tell show you something in um

[4:09] seven years ago we were in this I mean 20 years ago the most beautiful

[4:15] villages and towns in California and I just think wouldn't that be wonderful if

[4:19] we could have that honor again. Thank you.

[4:34] or contributed to the community short.

[4:46] » How you doing? My name is Nick Le. I've been a resident of San for five years.

[4:50] Originally I'm from Seaside in Monterey, California. Uh I come from a family. I'm

[4:56] third generation carpenter. Um I usually do like residential homes and commercial

[5:03] buildings. Um I'm here to help out and try to make

[5:09] this kind of functional. >> Thank you.

[5:18] Every month at the planning commission we set aside time to hear from members

[5:21] of items that are not otherwise public

[5:39] agenda. It consisted of the aid of posting for this meeting and then also

[5:44] the region meeting way back in June.

[6:05] » Move to approve agenda. Of

[6:11] course. Commissioner, >> Commissioner Korea,

[6:15] » Commissioner Le, >> Commissioner

[6:18] » I chair I

[6:21] » motion pass

[6:27] tonight on the home project

[6:34] and I think most of you are. So that's the next item. It's item five. Informal

[6:39] projects to do an opportunity for the applicant to come to the community and

[6:44] say this quickly online. What do you all think? Trying to check in with you all

[6:49] with planning commission everything and they maybe hear some comments and some

[6:54] feedback that might be useful to them as the project goes forward. That's right.

[6:59] No decisions will be made right discussion and an opportunity to hear

[7:05] from the applicants themselves about what their vision is important property.

[7:12] So I said presentation

[7:17] » yes

[7:20] thank you for bringing up the poweroint presentation. So my name is Ari. I'm the

[7:24] planning manager here for the city of Seattle set and today I'll be going

[7:29] through um Sunday street an informal project review for the San Antonio

[7:35] Health Foundation new clinic building um for their conceptual design layout and

[7:40] use relationship and receive feedback. And I just really want to go over that

[7:46] next purpose is not to approve the project but to receive preliminary

[7:49] feedback on the design, the site layout, the land use relationship and gateway

[7:55] consideration.

[7:59] The commission is being asked to provide early non-binding feedback. The key

[8:04] areas are architecture, game design, streetscape, parking, landscaping,

[8:09] pedestrian circulation, lot configuration, and the relationship

[8:13] between the commercial and mixed use areas. These products will help the

[8:17] applicant refine the project before formal entitlement review.

[8:23] Next slide. The current following step includes a

[8:27] two-story clinic with approximately 30,000 square feet of clinic floor area

[8:32] about 1,600 square feet of attached covers parking and 136 parking spite

[8:39] plan also shows an entry gate feature pedestrian walkway welcome plaza seating

[8:44] landscaping and a connection to a future housing area. The floor area figures

[8:50] will need to be reconciled in the future formal the middle.

[8:55] Next slide please. The site functions as a gateway into

[9:00] family mata. From a design perspective the question is not only whether the

[9:04] building works as a medical clinic but whether the site creates an attractive

[9:09] and inviting entry into the city. The goal is to avoid a standalone suburban

[9:14] medical campus appearance and instead reinforce the city's historic small town

[9:18] character. Next slide, please. The municipal code does not establish

[9:23] informal project view as a separate entitlement, but the planning commission

[9:27] has authority over the types of issues raised here, including design review,

[9:32] land use, zoning, site planning, and matters by city managers. Future formal

[9:38] review would evaluate consistency with the municipal code, general plan, design

[9:42] guidelines, installations, public facilities, and architectural um

[9:47] compatibility. Next slide, please.

[9:50] The current concept uses a Spanish mission Mediterranean architectural

[9:55] vocabulary. The tile roofs, horns, stuckle-ike walls, arches, arcades,

[10:00] recess openings, and very flames. These elements help reduce the appearance of a

[10:05] large rectangular mass. The commission may want to focus comments on masking,

[10:12] human scale, cascade articulation, material authenticity, and whether art

[10:17] perceptual detailing should continue around all visible elevation. If you can

[10:23] go to the next slide. For a building of this size, the main

[10:28] design on mass, scale, and articulation. The design should avoid large flat wall

[10:34] claims and instead use roof line variation, wall offsets, recess entries,

[10:39] arcade, windows, and architectural detail to break the building to smaller

[10:43] official components. Commissioners may also want to comment on whether the

[10:48] building has enough pedestrian scale detail at the ground level. Next slide.

[10:54] As part of the application, there would be a lot adjustment um which is not

[10:59] before the commission for approval tonight. The key issue is whether the

[11:03] proposed partial configuration creates a better overall site plan. A lot

[11:08] adjustment changes legal partial boundaries, but it does not

[11:11] automatically change general plan and zoning boundaries. The next submitt

[11:15] would should clearly show partial line zoning boundaries to clinic footprint

[11:20] parking circulation. um if there would be um any future project on the use

[11:25] parcel and in next slide please. A key point is that

[11:32] the clinic building and the principal senate use were shown within the

[11:36] commercial district parking through driveway circulation landscaping and

[11:40] related site extend into the mixed use area as part of that offline adjustment.

[11:47] One option is to maintain the sun in the commercial while demonstrating that

[11:53] area comping

[12:17] is both an operational issue and a design issue. The commission may want to

[12:21] discuss whether the parking field ad street and highway 156, whether the site

[12:27] provides clear pedestrian connection and whether landscaping can stop of the

[12:31] parking area. Concerns to focus on here include pedestrian realm circulation,

[12:36] parking, screening, landscape and street.

[12:41] Next slide. The project also identifies a broader code issue. The general plan

[12:46] makes use concept supports residential commercial employment and community

[12:50] survey activities but the current zoning use matrix does not expressively allow

[12:55] medical

[13:02] updates. No code amendment is being closed tonight.

[13:06] button for discussion. Staff is looking for

[13:11] feedback on whether the architecture reflects stand one piece of the store

[13:16] character that the masking scale are appropriate for the gateway the parking

[13:21] layout screen and pedestrian the curation pretty sight design and

[13:28] what additional information should be required before formal review.

[13:34] And I did want to um let the commission know that um the architect

[13:42] and I apologize if I pronounce your name wrong. you can correct and when you come

[13:45] up from a mo architecturist here on behalf of the applicant as well as

[13:50] Richard the strategy as part of the team and so they are here to answer any

[13:56] technical questions you may have on the informal review of

[14:06] » okay thank you so now I believe we should hear from the

[14:12] applicant tip. Who would you like to have go

[14:16] first? Make sure the designer.

[14:23] » Thank you. Thank you, Chair De. Really appreciate

[14:28] your time. Good to see you all uh this evening. Um and Ariel, of course, thank

[14:33] you very much for all of your I guess bringing on.

[14:40] But it's a pleasure to be here before you. We're super excited to at least uh

[14:44] take this step, this initial step. Uh we appreciate you taking the time to uh

[14:48] evaluate. We're here to solicit for some feedback from you, get some thoughts

[14:53] from you. We're happy to do that here. We're happy to do it individually to

[14:57] support the ground act and making sure that we get all the feedback possible as

[15:03] we continue and navigate this project forward. Um so, as I mentioned, my name

[15:07] is Victor Dolan with Pinnacle Strategy. I'm here tonight on behalf of San Diego

[15:11] Health Foundation as their land use and entitlement consultant. Uh I just want

[15:17] to briefly emphasize just how important this project is not only to San but to

[15:23] the entire San Diego County community. Uh just a quick side note um I grew up

[15:28] right on the corner of Gonzal in Buista in Van on the west side of Hollister and

[15:35] um I actually for many years got my dental work done as a field worker

[15:41] myself and field workers uh never enjoy going to the dentist after getting up at

[15:47] 4 in the morning to go take apricots and do what was normal do here in San County

[15:51] but it was just great to have the foundation there conveniently of course

[15:55] located there in West Long. So for decades, San Diego Health Foundation has

[16:00] provided healthcare to local families, including some of the most vulnerable

[16:04] members of our community. Uh this teaching health center represents an

[16:08] opportunity to bring the same commitment directly into Tucson

[16:12] and significantly expand access to healthcare in this part of county. Um,

[16:18] as a teaching health center, we will be participating or partnering with UC

[16:23] Santa Cruz, UC Davis, UC Berkeley, and many more universities and colleges to

[16:29] prepare those medical students for real life experience.

[16:33] Those students and medical staff will focus on dental training, uh, physician

[16:38] assisting, um, and nutritional care as well for our senior community. Our

[16:44] community continues to face shortages of health care providers and barriers to uh

[16:48] accessing primary care, preventative care and and behavioral health services.

[16:54] This project helps address those needs. Uh the new teaching health center will

[16:59] serve families, seniors, agricultural workers, uh medical beneficiaries,

[17:05] uh other residents who might otherwise have difficulty obain obtaining timely

[17:09] health care. Um, additionally in our conceptual plans, uh, we are planning

[17:14] for a senior health and services center. Uh, thank you Mary again for your your

[17:19] leadership and the leadership of the senior community here inside.

[17:24] Uh, but uh, we also plan on providing a meeting space, a commercial kitchen that

[17:30] also allows you to prepare meals for those that are in need, physical

[17:35] therapy, and other activities. But I think it's important to look beyond uh

[17:40] what this project means even just today and really go beyond what we'll call

[17:45] opening day. Uh this is a long-term investment for San Juan Ba as I know you

[17:51] all realize. It strengthens the city's healthcare infrastructure, brings

[17:55] important services uh closer to uh residents that need it. uh creates an

[18:02] institutional presence in the community and helps position San Donga

[18:07] uh to meet the needs of both its current residents and then of course future

[18:11] generations because as we know and we heard uh they come back right to serve

[18:17] their community. Santo Health Foundation is committed to working collaboratively

[18:21] with the city with staff with the planning commission and the community to

[18:25] develop projects on bombista that we proud of. Uh we believe this kind of

[18:30] project that um communities we believe this is the kind of project that

[18:34] communities rarely actually have an opportunity to bring forward. So a

[18:39] project whose value will be measured not simply by buildings and of course these

[18:44] beautiful renderings but in healthier families and in better access to

[18:49] healthcare. We appreciate your consideration and look forward to

[18:53] continuing to work with you on this very important project. I think chairman de

[18:58] who articulated that perfectly. This is the gateway, one of the gateways to San

[19:04] Bas. I know I use it even not being a resident I used to enter the city uh

[19:10] probably just as much as I use. So, um understanding that neighborhood,

[19:15] understanding the city, uh we know better people to get feedback from than

[19:20] yourself. So, we're excited to do that. I certainly want to take the time of

[19:24] course to introduce Deepo who has been extremely helpful to us. He was critical

[19:30] in the redesign of um our facility in West Solster that really logistically

[19:37] created just a really nice operation. We also have a number of board members that

[19:41] are present here today and just you know community members who are supportive in

[19:46] general. So, I'll pass John over to Deep Talk really quick so we could eventually

[19:50] answer any architecture related questions or anything of that. And I'm

[19:54] here as well answering questions that that are that I'm able to actually thank

[20:03] introduction. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioners

[20:08] Ariel. So I'm fairly new to this project and as soon as I got on I had a long

[20:14] conversation with Ariel as what the city actually mean what it would what would

[20:20] be a good space over here and one of the things we decided was we wanted to

[20:25] modify the layout of the thing at what has been the past

[20:32] building that was away from the street and it didn't quite uh reflect uh sort

[20:39] of relationship we want the uh building have actual city we want to connect um

[20:49] our building to a desperate walking and create a nicer student what I'm here

[20:56] today is to listen I want to you for today give me as much feedback as

[21:02] possible that you can derive it for a scenario and do to create a project that

[21:07] you'll all be proud

[21:10] question.

[21:20] » Anyone else?

[21:29] If you have any direct questions prior to opening the public comments

[21:39] why don't question

[21:46] the architect and then I think myself included I'm going to reserve

[21:52] comments on

[21:57] the

[22:03] questions for everyone.

[22:12] » But I think as of right now, no. Thank you very much for the introduction to

[22:16] the project and for the beautiful renderings and I'm looking forward to

[22:21] giving you um as far as what I saw but um question

[22:44] Um

[22:48] there's a uh endings are going to come for they're going to come randomly

[22:54] probably. >> So I'm looking and looking at the

[22:59] drawing for anything. There's a flat section of the roof in Denver.

[23:03] » Yes. >> Is that going to house equipment?

[23:07] » That's right. Handle equipment. He didn't want to be visible from anywhere.

[23:12] And this group is going to cover all of that. So there is no need for any other.

[23:18] » Okay. Definitely that's what I was that direction I was headed. I happened to be

[23:22] on the cemetery board and so the cemetery actually overlooked. We

[23:27] probably will see that we're not at that elevation.

[23:31] » I'm not sure there's much to be done about that.

[23:33] » If there is any need for that, we can definitely work with it to make sure

[23:38] that like in a better way. Yeah, you might you might pick us a run up to the

[23:44] cemeteries part anyway

[23:47] » and we could definitely increase like either the screening control or extend

[23:51] the roof further like we very >> well I just it occurred to me because it

[23:57] was a concern over another project and one of those things we're all volunteers

[24:02] right so we're not necessarily professional stuff and some of this

[24:06] stuff doesn't occur to us you know sometimes

[24:10] Um, I also there's been there's been in looking at it was a little shocked

[24:17] because it's not sort of what we've been hearing about for the last few years,

[24:22] right? >> And because it's a quite a large

[24:25] building that that popped in there. Um, I was wondering drove by there uh over

[24:33] the weekend to to take a little bit closer look, spend a little time

[24:37] reflecting on it and that parcel has a fair amount of smoke to it.

[24:41] » Yeah. If you go to the front

[24:46] » Yeah. And then there's so there's sort of a BM at the back, a natural hill or

[24:50] BM that would um screen the building from highway

[24:56] side. My question is, is the building going to

[25:00] be is the is the building pad going to be cut into or are we talking about bill

[25:08] to raise because >> it it will be like we can't again

[25:15] the previous architect and the civil engineer are not completely on our team

[25:22] yet. What we want to do is come up with the

[25:25] best solution for public access. We don't want it to sit on a hill and the

[25:31] tree is put down. So our pad needs to be closed enough for accessibility for

[25:36] access to the part the building itself from the other side. It's possible that

[25:44] you may end up with graining it slightly differently.

[25:48] » Yeah. The reason we show the elevation that way I wanted to be clear that there

[25:53] is possible that graded that way >> but

[25:59] in speaking to the civil engineer they thought that like it might be because we

[26:04] don't want to cut too much from that. So we created a sort of boundary at the top

[26:11] right but past that uh this possible I don't call it like slope up and then

[26:20] down. So what you'll be seeing from previous side could possibly be like one

[26:25] one and a half. Yeah, it's um it'll be interesting. I

[26:31] because I am it is that visual impact that's

[26:35] » talking about that visual impact going to be what amongst the large build

[26:47] um

[26:51] uh I was well I shouldn't be I wasn't surprised I

[26:56] was curious all the parking and I guess that the position forward so that the it

[27:02] is as accessible basically pedestrian accessible

[27:06] » and I think the planning guidelines are that you don't want parking like you

[27:11] don't want to be a mall further away the building needs to be part of the city

[27:15] and parking is >> ideally I would prefer like to avoid

[27:20] that much parking but it's a requirement for

[27:25] » yeah I was curious because it so there will be there's intended to pedestrian

[27:30] access then on that side of the building parking as well.

[27:34] » Definitely I know >> I just marked it like we just completely

[27:39] dissolve that but what we were thinking is like you walking through from the

[27:43] street there a pedestrian gateway walk through like pathway with seating

[27:49] benches and green area and then come to like an

[27:53] entry plaza and building it. Yeah, it's it's um

[27:59] Kaiser Kaiser reminds me of the Kaiser Village.

[28:11] » Okay. >> Okay. Um

[28:18] I think and oh yeah and I guess the obvious question is about the zoning um

[28:24] previous conversations that I've had um with Rosa Vivian um and it's been a

[28:32] while had a conversation, >> but they it had um there was talk about

[28:38] incorporating the housing and the clinic and having it be spread over more

[28:44] campus arrangement and I'm curious what why that changed and we went to this

[28:51] sort of format and I'm wondering if it had to do with

[28:53] » the big church is probably a little more.

[28:56] » Yeah. Yeah. Commissioner um the and the magnitude of

[29:03] projected I mean we're looking at likely 30 $30

[29:08] million plus project um you know everything that goes into

[29:15] like this. So, a little bit had to do with the financial side of it. Um, but

[29:21] the mixed use side of it, uh, we understand Ariel's been totally clear on

[29:27] what is going to be expected of of the thing. Um, and of course the condition

[29:33] as we look at that, but it is going to be our goal when we design this parcel.

[29:38] But it'll be our goal in in the back of our mind that we are going to develop

[29:44] the other bar school for um healthcare and supportive housing. Um

[29:50] obviously we're looking at those dances. I think you guys are maybe going through

[29:53] changes and dances as well. So not exactly sure where we're going to land

[29:58] there. We also understand commercial component. Uh so I guess from day on

[30:03] street I think about two on that parcel there will be a commercial likely

[30:07] abundance street and so as we continue this design we're going to take that

[30:13] into consideration because we're going to want it really to be I don't want to

[30:18] say necessarily seamless but pretty seamless right where you have that

[30:22] natural transition between both um the the little triangle I'll I'll

[30:29] call where we're hoping to get this uh you

[30:33] know hoping to pursue this plotline adjustment really did change how we were

[30:39] able to figure site plan of project because just with that little diamond

[30:44] popping out it just yeah it was kind of funky

[30:50] old renderings of the elongated building um that was really always good to work

[30:56] with it and then of course you see is considering a roundabout out. So we have

[31:00] to take that into consideration come out of that conversation but not

[31:07] » that news to me where what I have not heard that where the round

[31:12] » yeah there have been discussions at the council of government regarding a

[31:15] potential roundabout at 156

[31:23] » but um roundabout

[31:28] the Alama

[31:31] Street. >> I haven't heard the Alamita, but just

[31:36] heard that. Um, and again, those are just ideas that were thrown out during a

[31:41] council government discussion. Um I don't represent goodness

[31:48] but um but you know all those things are

[31:54] » the zoning and just one last point the zoning component of it are totally

[32:00] clear on what's allowed and not allowed. So, you know, we do that line adjustment

[32:08] like we pursue test and allow us to at least be able to use that that

[32:16] moving forward.

[32:20] Okay.

[32:24] Yeah, I think that is I'm anxious to hear comments from the

[32:31] public and then maybe some

[32:35] Thanks very much. >> Thank you. I don't have any questions at

[32:40] this time.

[32:44] I do want to say it's good to have you here.

[33:04] » Okay, those are my editorial comments. Let's open up public comment. Um, do we

[33:08] have some speaker? >> Yes, we do. Um in chambers we have Mary

[33:13] Edge

[33:20] three minutes with starting

[33:31] congratulations commission.

[33:38] Um I'm here uh this evening representing uh the Mary Senior Center. Um we have

[33:45] been um a nonprofit since uh 2024 and um we have been looking for a place for us

[33:58] to um have a senior center. Currently we make lunch every Wednesday

[34:07] for seniors and we have increased in numbers. Our numbers are up to just

[34:13] under a weekly basis and they pass. Um

[34:21] so as commission commissioner Mara knows we he tried to help us come up with a

[34:29] with an idea but it just didn't work. and the city of Sam is just so unique

[34:36] that there isn't an awful lot for us to go and so um uh Rosa Vision and I have

[34:46] collaborated and we have joined forces in in um having the senior center there

[34:53] at this time. So, um we're here in support of this project and um that's

[35:03] the reason I'm here today to let you know that um we hope that you will

[35:07] consider it and it will be a home for um the senior.

[35:19] » Okay. the next chambers. So we have Victoria

[35:23] support.

[35:33] » Okay. So up next we have Sarah Bon.

[35:41] » Thank you members of the planning commission.

[35:45] Um my comments will address primarily landscape as well as lovely design. Uh I

[35:54] just want to give you a little bit of background. This is the mission garden

[35:58] directly across the street from this and I was on a citizens committee that

[36:04] redesigned. that started out as a bunch of sheet

[36:08] monoke

[36:12] and I am the last member standing of the four people who were on that commission.

[36:18] There was Georgian Rebecca McGovern Larry King who was city manager at the

[36:25] time and the mover and shaker Richard and he's the one that hired Branch Holly

[36:32] the very noted prep attorney because this was the one to our historic town

[36:40] and with her assistance too we were able to get some change.

[36:46] Um so and they the uh developer architect young architect who actually

[36:55] looked at the entire town and noted that the design of our town is very fine

[37:00] grain. We have a lot of small buildings and that's why the mission improvements.

[37:08] They're like they look like individual little cottages

[37:12] which is a very traditional look. And then we wanted to make sure that we had

[37:19] planting strips between the sidewalk and the street with

[37:25] trees. And the vision was to have something similar on the other side of

[37:31] the street where health facility is going to be built

[37:36] now. Uh we were hoping for the large um London plain trees like you see at the

[37:43] other entrance into town on first street. A beautiful treelined boulevard

[37:50] and the street is very wide there. that we were even hoping that there might be

[37:55] even a century divide in that street with beautiful large trees.

[38:02] So um oh okay I I don't know why when people come and propose something we

[38:11] have commission back still vaccin

[38:20] we started with the gas station across the street started out like that too I'm

[38:24] very concerned it's not going to look like an Orange County shopping center

[38:28] which the people across the street and these lovely department are going to be

[38:32] looking for each. So I'm concerned about the size. It is the gateway. It doesn't

[38:40] really respect the soul in my opinion of our city, but

[38:47] I'm certainly not healthy. Thank you.

[38:55] » Next in chambers, we have Dr.

[39:09] Hope you can hear me. My name is Dr. Sh. I have worked at the

[39:15] foundation for almost 15 years. In the 15 years I worked there, I've gained

[39:23] tremendous change in all because of the spirit and the work of one person. And

[39:29] then

[39:35] she has the vision, she has the stamina, she has the knowhow of bringing this to

[39:41] life and I really um

[39:46] I have heard of people against it or because they don't want changes. This

[39:52] may change for the better. You know it's going to be a big thing. given quite

[39:57] good services over there and I I think there

[40:09] chambers we have Karen Stacy who may now first report.

[40:16] [clears throat] >> Hi everybody. Um I just wanted to say

[40:20] that the Mary senior senator um in memory of my mom my mom was a social

[40:28] worker here in this county for over 30 years. She took care of everybody

[40:35] and mind you she was a single mother of five kids and she still provided for

[40:42] other people. uh we went to private school anyway

[40:47] and I just want to carry on this legacy. She uh always made sure somebody had

[40:52] some death knows my mom real well and so does

[40:58] Chris. So I just I I I'm excited for this

[41:04] building. I want it to succeed.

[41:11] I it's been just an incredible thing to

[41:17] have to see how far you have come in memory of my

[41:24] mom. I hope you get through. Thank you Ariel.

[41:29] Thank you everybody.

[41:33] Next in chambers we have Mickey. We're still going to have three minutes.

[41:43] Good evening everyone and it's nice to be here and see Ariel again

[41:51] and Chris um I've known you for a while now you know the work that we do and the

[41:57] coalition of county who I am president current president right now so

[42:04] my reasoning for coming here I'm from a corner vice mayor and becomes my city.

[42:12] But my husband is here. This Luna Vietnam veteran, my sister-in-law,

[42:18] Henrietta Lino, who retired from the state park here.

[42:25] But let me tell you, the historical review is that the Luna family was one

[42:31] of the largest families that I can think in 15 children. My husband is pregnant

[42:39] and 59 years ago we took the oath of office

[42:44] of his marriage as a mission. So even if we live in Hollister, his

[42:50] heart is always and let me tell you when I read about

[42:56] this concept and project I I nearly thought that wow this is what Sanino

[43:04] County needs not only the city of and but when you look around and you see

[43:12] the meaning of health issues Santo County and concerns that people have.

[43:18] This is the project. This is a project that can solve so many issues and

[43:24] concerns in Sacramento County. And I before you because I had been

[43:29] underground I was born in Raven Hollister, but I can tell you within the

[43:34] 38 years that the Latino Coalition has existed in Sacramento County, we can

[43:39] just about write a book about health issues, about anything that comes before

[43:44] us. And let me tell you one thing that is extremely important is health in

[43:50] Sanino County. And I can tell you also while you're doing a historical review

[43:55] of families even Mexico City is concerned about

[44:03] because we are looking right now at a sister city and before they said how big

[44:10] and you don't have those health concerns. I mean they got the biggest

[44:14] universities in in medicine in Mexico and when they are mentioning the things

[44:21] I think you should know that you should know that and what Victor just presented

[44:25] about connections with other universities it's true it's very true

[44:30] because even out of the country people are looking at

[44:34] so when I look back to and think of my mother-in-law that lived in a branch

[44:41] over here worked off the pillows and everybody else

[44:45] 15 children there and she died at the age of 63

[44:50] because she didn't have the medical assistance that she needed and it's sad

[44:57] it really sad that if she hit the 101 or they go the other way

[45:04] to college to get new medical services and I'm thinking that I think some will

[45:11] be on M on project. So that's that was my words to you today tonight and I just

[45:19] feel that if you ever need assistance, if you ever need somebody to speak to

[45:24] you about the issues and concerns of San County, we're here coalition county.

[45:31] Thank you. >> Next chambers we have Paul

[45:38] » my four pendants.

[45:46] My name is Phil. [laughter]

[45:52] I'm a family member there,

[45:58] president of Rotary uh here in town. We live here since we

[46:04] moved here in 71. wanted to speak in favor of what the foundation is trying

[46:10] to build San Juan. San Juan has a lot of issues and negative

[46:20] images in the greater world. You know that we can't pull it together, we can't

[46:26] agree on anything, we can't do anything and so forth. Here we have a project

[46:32] from an organization that historically I've known them and worked with them for

[46:36] over 40 something years since they started has demonstrated with the

[46:41] creation of their building with the state-ofthe-art

[46:45] in Hollister that fit right into that neighborhood.

[46:48] uh the way that they have approached this project and working with you, I

[46:53] think it's a wonderful opportunity to demonstrate what is possible even in

[47:02] small rural underserved areas. Uh this goes in tandem to our broadband project

[47:11] that we had started five years ago and will be completed in 6 to8 months which

[47:16] was a $32 million project that benefited our area. We will now have the best in

[47:24] I'm using that as an example of what is possible here. As long as you all work

[47:29] together and we can demonstrate for best practices, the specifics about how it

[47:35] ends up looking and so forth, it will be a people serving and pleasant to look at

[47:42] size and so forth. That's all negotiable.

[47:45] I'm not afraid of big buildings just to say that because it's about the

[47:51] compromise and service and so forth as long as it's well done. And it just

[47:56] seems to me that the professionality already I get a good feeling. I come

[48:00] from the arts community and you got to talk about feeling and doing stuff. All

[48:04] right. And we cannot forget that. And things are possible and uh I don't get

[48:10] so nostalgic about the vacant fields out there that I've been seeing for almost

[48:16] 50 years. You know, uh here's something that that's positive

[48:21] for people and and good built for the community. Plus you can provide some

[48:25] local jobs and housing like that. This is the thing that most people have been

[48:30] coming here for so many years. So think about that and work towards a working

[48:36] together as obviously some artistic to give you that support. Thank you very

[48:43] much. Next in chambers we have Victoria.

[48:49] You may now approach the

[48:56] Good evening and I'm

[49:00] part of the board but I'm here speaking not as a board member but as a register

[49:06] for and my story is going to be not a story about it's just like a statement

[49:13] from where I came to where I am. I came from Texas in 1957

[49:21] and that town had everything in one time.

[49:25] Even though the town was the railroad divided the black, the Mexicans and the

[49:32] blacks from the white and we moved here and we also lived in and we had a lot of

[49:41] life. I was very happy to live here even though I was living in a labor camp. But

[49:47] now I am an older lady and now I have a moral story to say that at one time we

[49:56] were together at every now like a railroad where all the wealthy

[50:05] are in the hill on the outside of the town which is the one too all the

[50:12] wealthy moving on the Friday night and the poor people in center of city

[50:18] [clears throat] like a ghost I call a ghost town I call

[50:24] a ghost town and there's a moral that says this country has

[50:31] to be built to bring tourist when I join the border I have no idea

[50:38] but I I compare now to the terms of state and so the moral story is when

[50:45] guilty why they find money and not work. And this is the background in my mind. I

[50:50] say we we have not improved. We just changed it a little bit. We can all go

[50:56] to the same grocery store in the Starbucks. But as a

[51:02] political background on the roof history is we haven't changed and that's

[51:09] why I'm here compared to from one became the same. Thank you.

[51:20] We have

[51:27] » we have phone number 8314 310993

[51:33] now.

[51:38] You have three minutes.

[51:54] Are you there? Why don't we go? Maybe they can come

[51:58] back next.

[52:07] » I'm sorry. Did you hear me? Can you hear me now?

[52:14] » Can you hear me? >> Uh, this is John Hopper. I'm not who

[52:19] sure who's speaking. >> This is Aradio.

[52:23] » Hopper, if you can hear me, we cannot hear you. We're trying to fix that. Hold

[52:26] on one second. >> Well, let me just start again. Uh, my

[52:30] name is Arcadia Vos and I'm the chair of the board of San Bonito Health

[52:35] Foundation. I have served in that capacity for over 10 years and I am very

[52:42] excited that uh our organization is uh launching this this uh program for

[52:50] the benefit of San Bonito uh county primarily for San Juan

[52:56] Bautista which will be the center of this new uh concept uh in healthc care

[53:04] uh that in this country we have a shortage of physicians

[53:09] and no one I I shouldn't say no one but a few are dedicated to

[53:17] uh begin the process of educating new uh generations of primary care doctors uh

[53:25] physicians dentists uh social workers you name it and the best way to train

[53:34] this future providers ers of care is that uh they could train in a community

[53:42] of need and certainly uh Sahama Baptista is a community of need and we feel very

[53:48] uh committed to this process. Uh and we thank you for the opportunity you give

[53:54] us to present this project. It's going to be a jewel. Uh long time ago I used

[54:01] to be a healthc care executive and I used to travel this way to the coast

[54:06] from the Fresno area and um I always stopped at San Bernito Health Foundation

[54:11] because I always uh felt that that clinic was the best looking clinic of

[54:17] all the clinics in California. So the new uh the new thing that is

[54:22] going to happen is that Sanapista probably be the best looking clinic in

[54:29] the state of California as well. So, we're committed to this 30 $300 uh

[54:35] million dollar pro, excuse me, $30 million project. And uh we are uh uh

[54:42] taking in consideration the uh needs that the community has voices that they

[54:48] need for us to address and certainly the design of the facility has to meet those

[54:54] needs. That's why we created the second story uh concept because we want to

[55:01] serve our elderly uh and also people that are u uh immobile or they need uh

[55:08] therapy so they can uh live a very healthy life. So thank you very much and

[55:14] I'm looking forward to uh meet you in person. I was there earlier, but the

[55:22] meeting uh we heard it was cancelled, so I came back to my home. That's why I'm

[55:26] doing it from from the phone. Thank you very much. And looking forward to

[55:32] working with your staff and and we and the board and also the city council.

[55:38] » Thank you, sir. Can we get your name? You were cut off at the beginning. Could

[55:42] you give us your name, please?

[55:59] Okay, for the minute you have that long

[56:19] Next we have John Hopper. John Hopper, you have been engaged.

[56:25] » Thank you. U Mr. Chairman and members of commission, first I just wanted to say

[56:31] thank you from the bottom of my heart to you new commissioners that have joined

[56:36] tonight. Uh and for those of you that don't know me, I spent many years

[56:42] sitting in your seat and as chairman of your commission. I'm a 40 or former city

[56:47] council member and mayor of this city. So, I just want to thank you for joining

[56:52] the commission and giving up an important time to this cause. I'd like

[56:57] to start off by just emphasizing that um this is a huge building

[57:03] and regardless of the merits or what have

[57:08] you, let's just keep in mind this is a really huge building. Uh, I just became

[57:14] really familiar with this project today when I read the Bonito link u article

[57:21] and when I looked at the artist renderings it kind of looked to me

[57:24] something like the medical clinics like on Abbott Street and Selenus Selenus or

[57:28] what have you just an observation um

[57:34] so to that end this just needs to be done right if it's going to be done on

[57:38] this scale and size u some of my points here aren't necessarily in order of

[57:44] theme because I just jotted down these notes before this meeting. Um, but there

[57:48] was a mission in the the Bonita Link article about the gate and I don't

[57:53] understand what that dilemma is all about or what that really means, but I'm

[57:58] not really sure we need a gated uh commercial facility. Um, maybe it's for

[58:04] security, what have you, but I think that should be looked at. The other

[58:08] thing I want to really focus on is those of us that have been involved in

[58:14] politics in this town, served on commissions and on the council. We

[58:19] always looked at this commercial parcel as kind of a jewel, something we had in

[58:26] our back pocket that would, you know, be very promising the city. This particular

[58:33] project does not bring forward any toot taxes

[58:39] and those are transient obviously taxes. It brings no sales tax opportunities and

[58:46] just having said that I I don't want to take away from the public health needs

[58:51] of the community because I'm also very passionate about that.

[58:56] I also want to point out and I it was the audio is very bad in this meeting

[59:01] and I think Carol Blanc was speaking to this but keep in mind that adjacent

[59:05] public uh or parcel when I was either on the planning commission or the council

[59:10] we made sure that that property was reszoned from its current zoning which I

[59:16] think was residential to mixed use with the same theme that

[59:22] it could provide housing and yet also So provide commercial opportunities where

[59:27] those were sales tax generating or just office spaces similar to like the Ted

[59:33] Tony property that's across uh down the street. The other thing I just think

[59:38] that we should be cognizant of if this moves forward and perhaps a condition

[59:44] approval uh as regarding future use. We should make sure some guarantees

[59:50] concerning the property use as approved stays to just what it is

[59:57] and doesn't become something else in the future if that happens. Um, and make

[1:00:03] sure those restrictions apply to future, you know, land owners.

[1:00:09] The last question I have relative to this particular use, and again, I'm not

[1:00:14] dismissing the public health need. I'm just wondering if a needs survey has

[1:00:19] been done to actually determine that this is needed in our town, in our

[1:00:25] community, or is there maybe a better use for this property? Um,

[1:00:33] I I I I don't know what that really means and and and I was not aware of the

[1:00:38] educational component which may be of high benefit. And then the last thing is

[1:00:44] the funding sources of this. I'm not really sure where that comes from. My

[1:00:48] wife served on the uh health foundation board for many years and and so my guess

[1:00:54] is maybe this is federal grants or local monies. I'm not sure. But I think we as

[1:01:00] a city also have

[1:01:06] that those funds are utilized >> in the attention they're intended.

[1:01:17] speaker.

[1:01:21] » Thank you for your

[1:01:32] » Who's next? >> Christina Vasquez.

[1:01:35] You have three minutes. >> Hi everyone. My name is Christina

[1:01:40] Vasquez. Um uh I'm the I represent I would like to say that I represent the

[1:01:47] school district in this time just because I'm the president of the ELAC

[1:01:53] committee of San Juan Bautista. I'm also a counselor at ANSAR as a Rotarian

[1:02:01] with our internet club that we have there. Um I'm also the DAC president. So

[1:02:07] I'm very close to the families in town and in the school district and I really

[1:02:14] know h all of the needs that we have in talking about health services. On the

[1:02:20] other side, I'm also um a mother of an special needs kids and I suffer a lot

[1:02:29] from the h services that we we need a lot of

[1:02:34] services that we can found there. Erh it is also a need that I think that nobody

[1:02:41] has expressed that the foundation is a big big big thing for the Spanish

[1:02:48] community. and uh all of us which is also the part

[1:02:54] that I represent. We need a service that can speak our language and that can

[1:03:00] understand our background and our culture and especially being very close

[1:03:06] with the school families. I can understand

[1:03:10] especially that need and also again for example I can't be there

[1:03:16] right now just because I had to take my son to physical therapy

[1:03:22] very far away and I I wish we could have more services and the families really

[1:03:29] really would appreciate these kind of projects in out.

[1:03:40] » Thank you. There are no additional public comments on Zoom or Chambers.

[1:03:46] Okay.

[1:03:55] » I I can respond to something. >> That's all right. Or

[1:04:00] » you or you want to wait for the end? >> Yeah.

[1:04:05] But we'll give you some time. >> All right.

[1:04:14] Church. So the conversation then comes to this

[1:04:19] commission. Who would like to go first? Volunteers.

[1:04:30] Um, but I appreciate public comment. Thank you everybody. Um,

[1:04:36] you guys heard the the concerns about scale. I think that was pretty loud to

[1:04:42] hear what the solution is that given as I don't know but something obviously

[1:04:50] it's concern that should probably be revisited. Um, I had a couple of

[1:04:55] questions that just sort of popped into my head. Pharmacy is there pharmacy on

[1:04:59] site? >> Do you know?

[1:05:07] » It looks like the interior plan is fairly generic.

[1:05:12] » So, we haven't reached that.

[1:05:17] » Oh, yeah. So, we haven't reached that stage yet, but

[1:05:21] you'll definitely post it as something moving and if something makes sense for

[1:05:27] the planning commission to either include or exclude.

[1:05:31] » No. Yeah, no problem. I was just I I assumed that was the case given the

[1:05:36] layout, but I was missing.

[1:05:40] No. Um I think it would be interesting. Um there's been a couple of different um

[1:05:48] architectural styles uh sort of the names thrown out and I

[1:05:54] think it would be valuable or instructive to perhaps have a little

[1:05:59] tutorial about what those are. Um and I so I made notes about mission revival

[1:06:06] versus Spanish colonial or Spanish revival versus Mediterranean. some of

[1:06:12] this stuff sort of blends together. >> Absolutely.

[1:06:14] » And then there's some mon side >> those. Um, so to to me this

[1:06:23] to me it would be more natural to have it be have it closer tie into the

[1:06:28] Monterey style because you know the broader community

[1:06:33] some examples in town as opposed to I think Carol made the comment about being

[1:06:39] trying to make a mission back to Italy. >> I thought that was a very good comment.

[1:06:44] Um, somebody else mentioned Santa Barbara and this it clicked in my head

[1:06:48] that this like it would fit in Santa Barbara and it I like it. I find it I

[1:06:53] think it's very attractive building. I think it would be interesting to have a

[1:06:58] little more clarity because I think you're all bringing set different

[1:07:01] experiences and not have your love training for some of the nuances between

[1:07:07] some of these architectural class. >> Absolutely. So just to clarify like in

[1:07:13] terms of like we were trying to address what we felt had been brought up prior.

[1:07:19] » Understood. >> Uh so we were sort of addressing that

[1:07:23] » but it's not to say that's why we didn't come here with a final design to say

[1:07:28] this is it approve it or I'm out of here right this is more to me as a engagement

[1:07:34] process. This is the time where we're saying that like does this belong to

[1:07:39] here? Does this seem right? Does he seem right? Like all those things are real

[1:07:45] open discussion. Same thing with the landscaping. Like is

[1:07:49] the landscaping something I would like to discuss this city. Are there plans

[1:07:54] for developing the street? Are there central islands? No.

[1:07:58] » But on my drive, it didn't seem like there was anything going to happen there

[1:08:03] for a while. So I don't know what plan is but like if city public works and

[1:08:09] somebody wants to get involved with us and let give us more feedback.

[1:08:13] Well, somewhere in Ashley's >> office

[1:08:27] [laughter]

[1:08:30] was to create some land separation between the street and building so that

[1:08:36] it sort of scales them down a little bit.

[1:08:41] » Um there so a previous a city manager design a streetscape for for McCollamy

[1:08:49] and I'm sure the drawings are somewhere in Ashley's office but for a divided

[1:08:54] road with the center a very beautiful plant center central planter uh and a

[1:09:01] small roundabout at the at that at that intersection basically of Monterey

[1:09:08] and that would be it would be interesting I think to back to be

[1:09:13] drenched. >> Yeah,

[1:09:15] » probably be incor and potentially be incorporated into

[1:09:20] the overall product. Um yeah. Um I one of my concerns about

[1:09:27] the about McCullum Street is parking parking on street already very

[1:09:33] difficult. And I wonder if there might also be a way to accommodate angle

[1:09:39] parking the entire property so that we can

[1:09:43] increase the number of street parking space and that of course will approach

[1:09:48] onto the property some but I think that will be of value to the community.

[1:09:53] » We can keep it in mind. But my take on it overall is like you want to promote

[1:10:00] people walking. >> Yeah.

[1:10:02] » Cars won't help. >> And we're in California. We all got five

[1:10:07] cars. >> I'm with you. I got

[1:10:10] » right. I'm saying and I'm I'm think

[1:10:19] issues happening now. people driving fast, seniors trying to cross the road

[1:10:24] and somebody hit them. So, keeping the cars away is probably a better thing and

[1:10:30] creating more pedestrian friendly approach to the building.

[1:10:36] » I got you. But I'm telling you, we need more park.

[1:10:41] You're not going to get away from California.

[1:10:46] » Um I mean at this stage I Let's let's uh

[1:10:51] try to keep it down out there.

[1:10:56] » And the desire like I'm not trying to dismiss that like I'm just saying that

[1:11:00] like that would be my best feeling like we don't want to do it but if the city

[1:11:05] wants it and the community wants it. I think it should be like I don't see any

[1:11:10] problem with that. Um

[1:11:14] yeah, I just there's we heard a lot of great feedback from

[1:11:20] the community. The scope and scale of the services provided was enlightening.

[1:11:26] Um and I think uh one of the things that we wanted to keep in mind is that they

[1:11:31] are the zoning is driving the to a fairly large extent. I

[1:11:39] think the scope and scale of building so you know that I think you know there

[1:11:46] there's there's certain well I'll speak for myself I'm I have no issue with

[1:11:51] revisiting zoning if that if that is an advent

[1:11:56] I don't think that's a real problem for you some sort of change there

[1:12:03] out that's my personal that's all that I have

[1:12:10] Yeah, sure.

[1:12:13] » Close to the mic.

[1:12:22] » I think that this is a a good project. Um, I was really happy

[1:12:28] to hear that the senior center would be Mary Mary Velasco

[1:12:35] senior center would be included. And you know, I was thinking about that and I

[1:12:39] thought, you know what else down the would be nice if it could be included is

[1:12:43] also a wellness center where we could have a gym. I know that that's really

[1:12:48] needed and then, you know, something for yoga, lobby, whatever. But I thought

[1:12:54] that that would be nice to incorporate something like that and that that would

[1:12:57] give between the senior center and the gym you have a benefit for the entire

[1:13:03] community. So I thought that that was really nice. Yes, the building is really

[1:13:08] big and I'm boy I need visuals. So I'm going to

[1:13:13] throw something out. I don't know if you're familiar with it, but Montage

[1:13:17] Health in Marina, they are located at Immun Second. Would you happen to know

[1:13:24] how that building I'm very familiar with that building, so how that was compared

[1:13:30] to what you're proposing? >> Yes, because I can, you know, that's a

[1:13:36] big >> We can definitely look into that and get

[1:13:39] back to you. >> Okay, that'd be great. Just because I'm

[1:13:41] more visual and looking it on paper. Sure.

[1:13:46] » So the existing uh

[1:13:52] health foundation about 18,000 square foot on a single

[1:13:57] level. >> Okay.

[1:13:58] » So if you want to drive by there, take a look at that. So you can see that it's

[1:14:03] not >> very big. I think it's the second story

[1:14:07] that adds a little bit more volume. >> Sure. But um as I said like with the

[1:14:14] grading, the landscaping and even probably modifying the masking as we

[1:14:20] move along, I think we make it look right.

[1:14:22] » Okay. Thank you. And I'm not opposed to changing the zoning either.

[1:14:27] » Okay. >> So, no problem with that. Um

[1:14:30] what else? Oh, the historic house. I'm just curious. Is that been resolved? I I

[1:14:36] mean that I I know it. I know, >> but I needed to bring it up because you

[1:14:41] know in the listing we did talk about it >> big house.

[1:14:45] » No, no, I know. >> Yeah, we uh we were evaluating that that

[1:14:50] next door right on the on the adjacent parcel. Um we even thought about maybe

[1:14:55] considering trying to maybe rehab some of the units, but they're past that

[1:15:00] stage, right? >> And so I think uh we're Ariel and I have

[1:15:06] been talking about this back and forth. So uh we are uh in the process the city

[1:15:11] does have a process for processing sorry process for processing uh the uh removal

[1:15:18] of that home um and will likely ask you to bond that

[1:15:26] to that we would likely have to come before you.

[1:15:29] » Yes. um for this body. Um the commissioners also serve on resources

[1:15:36] board.

[1:15:40] » You will definitely hear >> curious, you know, I don't care one way

[1:15:44] or another.

[1:15:48] » Well, we'll have to because of that um reason uh we will definitely have to uh

[1:15:55] go through that, you know, historical process to make sure we

[1:15:59] » Okay. appropriate. >> Thank you. Couple more questions.

[1:16:03] Covered parking, I was curious about that. Most places

[1:16:07] don't have covered parking. Are you planning on

[1:16:10] putting solar panels on >> more

[1:16:15] parking? >> Yeah,

[1:16:17] » we could definitely consider that. Like that's not an issue.

[1:16:20] » I I do really quick. I do want to mention that we have been in

[1:16:24] conversation step back. sustainability is is

[1:16:30] important and it's a part of our conversation. Uh it's part of the

[1:16:35] conversation at the clinic in West Her went through. Um now we have chargers

[1:16:41] and and all of that good stuff. But um just last week I had a a fantastic

[1:16:46] conversation with um um ecology action and talked about sustainability on-site

[1:16:52] sustainability and what we can do to um you know promote um you know clean air

[1:16:59] and um environmental you know um sensitivities around this project. So

[1:17:05] those conversations are having I appreciate you bringing that up. But it

[1:17:10] goes even further than just even um you know solar panels parking. We're talking

[1:17:15] about um trying to capture some you know rain water. We're talking about you know

[1:17:21] and repurposing of course and then also talking about battery storage and the

[1:17:25] opportunity for um battery backup. have it currently at our site in Hollister,

[1:17:31] but um we definitely need to be with that occur. We would likely be looked at

[1:17:38] and maybe even be considered as part of the emergency

[1:17:42] um you know emergency processes right in any community.

[1:17:50] » And really quick, commissioner, I do want to you're like you're ahead of it

[1:17:54] already on the wellness component of it. That is the discussion we've had. It is

[1:17:59] something we're going to work in. Uh we've even talked about uh potentially

[1:18:04] creating using the space as much as possible in creating an outdoor space.

[1:18:10] Um I was involved in a project in a master plan community in North College

[1:18:17] where we did a a linear um a linear

[1:18:22] exercise park. >> So the the park is actually

[1:18:27] 2300 linear feet. Um, and it it is a park and it's about 40 feet wide. It

[1:18:33] goes on the curve of the Hollister bypass Highway 75. You see a small

[1:18:37] portion right now that's actually built, but as those two develop it will be a

[1:18:43] continuous park and every um 150 feet or so you have exercise equipment. Um, and

[1:18:51] um that was actually one of the things folks were really excited about. So,

[1:18:55] we're even thinking about not just indoor wellness and yoga and things like

[1:18:59] that, but potentially wrapping some a little bit of outdoor opportunities for

[1:19:04] for wellness to come. >> That's great.

[1:19:06] » And just one more comment. I love that you have an herb garden in there.

[1:19:12] » Yeah, we're super excited about that. We want to make sure and of course in

[1:19:15] collaboration um with the Blasco Senior Center uh we definitely want to make

[1:19:21] sure that um it's not just about healthy eating and and and cooking and making

[1:19:27] sure that we are uh you know showing our seniors how to cook healthier um but

[1:19:33] also using you know a lot of folks including myself. I have a a home garden

[1:19:38] and um and we use everything that that we grow. My wife is on

[1:19:44] climate an orchard on our property which I'm excited about.

[1:19:49] So, but we want to make sure that folks that are growing in their own personal

[1:19:53] community gardens um have an opportunity to learn how to use what actually

[1:19:58] growing and learn how to and hopefully learn that at our at our site.

[1:20:03] » Sounds great. Thank you.

[1:20:07] » That all right. Thank you.

[1:20:18] Thank you, Ch. I'm gonna let's call around here. So, I

[1:20:23] do apologize. Um,

[1:20:29] the first thing is

[1:20:35] brown, not the rest of the commission. So this is I'm going to say that I am

[1:20:40] very excited about this and I do believe that the rest of the commission is too.

[1:20:45] I do not believe it's a matter of if but when this project comes to fruition. And

[1:20:50] I want to be clear that the communication

[1:20:53] that I would like to have isn't we need to justify it. Let's work together so

[1:20:59] that we make it happen. Our job here is to and I don't know a better way to say

[1:21:05] this off the top of my head. protect the city's interest. As you heard tonight,

[1:21:10] there is a wide variety of opinions on the building. With that being said, I

[1:21:16] know we can we can come to an agreement and work together. So, my request is be

[1:21:22] open. Please try not to take anything personally that is us giving you your

[1:21:28] ideas. And I personally love your advice. I'm another Chinese girl, so you

[1:21:33] go. But in all seriousness, let's work together. That's what this is about,

[1:21:40] okay? And let's create something absolutely beautiful that this town can

[1:21:45] be proud about on all levels. Not only are we serving the community, not only

[1:21:52] are we serving an underserved community, not only are we serving minorities as

[1:21:57] well as majority, by the way, um, but we're also serving those who

[1:22:03] desperately need it. And then we can have a beautiful, beautiful campus that,

[1:22:09] and when I say that, I don't mean it in a a negative way. I mean a creative

[1:22:14] beautiful structure that we are proud of and can represent it very well. So with

[1:22:22] that being said, I absolutely love the fact that the

[1:22:27] senior center is going to live there. I love the fact that they're going to have

[1:22:30] a permanent home. I love the beautiful renovations.

[1:22:44] Go get them. We need more positive events in today's society. And we need

[1:22:49] to work together. And that's what I want to stress. We are here to work together,

[1:22:53] not to decide good. We're here to decide what's going to work best for this

[1:22:59] community. And with that being said, on the list, you ready?

[1:23:05] Um, the architecture. So, I did my research and uh, looking over the

[1:23:11] architecture, I see a lot of mixes in your rendering of mission tile, the bell

[1:23:19] tower, the Mediterranean and the Lucian trend, the

[1:23:25] broad iron, the contrasting stone. um Moorish Arches to a certain extent

[1:23:31] and a touch of Monteray which all of them I love but I feel like they're all

[1:23:36] kind of inter

[1:23:44] one overriding divine element in my opinion

[1:23:49] I would like to see mission um revival because I think it goes with

[1:23:55] what we have here Um, the mission Sam Carlos the mission

[1:24:00] in Carmel is one of my favorites. It's I wouldn't say it's small because it's not

[1:24:06] tiny but it seems very >> last weekend.

[1:24:12] » Yeah. >> Okay. And my favorite part of that and

[1:24:16] we'll get to it is the ocula or the oculi they've got one and I want to talk

[1:24:21] about that but that's an example right our own mission here

[1:24:26] um or the rate of the arcade I noticed on your designs that there were some

[1:24:31] areas there where I felt like we could have used an arcade more than arcade to

[1:24:40] take away that huge massive metall That's how I felt. Okay. Um,

[1:24:48] I thought that your use of different elevations on roof lines was fantastic.

[1:24:54] I thought that it made it look not as big square footage wise as it actually

[1:25:01] is. Now, with that, I am chairman of the historic review

[1:25:08] board and and that is where my passion lies. And I'm going to say this. I'm

[1:25:13] going to ask you and I agree with what Cara said. This is a big building and

[1:25:18] this is right at the entrance to our city. Is there a way that we can get

[1:25:24] creative on how we put this together? I love her idea of clumping cottages

[1:25:30] together. Is there a way that you could do that without having to spend a ton of

[1:25:35] money to redesign this? Work with us on this. I mean in an ideal world I would

[1:25:42] love to see singlestory cottages that you can clump together use

[1:25:47] the arcade to and in this case I call them overhangs right that people can

[1:25:52] walk from one set to another and not get wet again voting about walking

[1:25:59] I just think that there's more that we can do together to really make this

[1:26:04] spectacular and I personally love your ideas and I know that you can do it. So

[1:26:12] let's see what we can do together. The use of masonry on the arches

[1:26:18] that's more Andalusian. Can we stick to more and I've already said this, the

[1:26:24] mission revival, the more the maray, the more simplistic elegant that goes with

[1:26:29] our mission and our adobe, the bling casual adobe. If you take a look at it

[1:26:36] right over here, it's very simple. this Monteray that will go there and I know

[1:26:40] that you can do it based on what I see. Um the raw iron I'm going to ask you if

[1:26:46] we can please eliminate that and you would a couple reasons for that. the rot

[1:26:52] iron the way you use it on the on the windows and on the balcony there that's

[1:26:58] more in my opinion Mediterranean Italian French could be one of these we are

[1:27:05] colonial Spanish town we are Monteray style we are mission revival wood hits

[1:27:13] that and wood will be seen and look absolutely stunning

[1:27:20] from the highway as you drive by it and people will know this is a historic

[1:27:25] canal. Check that out. Um, deep in the east right now on the

[1:27:32] taller and I forgot the name of the building, but the tall building. Um, the

[1:27:36] one with the first floor, then you've got the big wide arch, then you've got

[1:27:41] the three arch windows. Let's talk about that. Can we deepen the the um the ease

[1:27:48] coming down, make them longer, make them look more modern way. I think it will be

[1:27:52] a benefit to you because number one, it will be protecting the stuckco on the

[1:27:56] walls so that you're not going to have to paint it as often. Okay, it will

[1:28:00] protect this and you know more about this than I you want to talk about

[1:28:04] network. I can talk. This this is more fun for me in person.

[1:28:09] Um, okay. The ocula. Um, I'll say oculus because you have more than one. I love

[1:28:17] that idea. Is there a possibility instead of making

[1:28:21] it a perfect circle that we could do something unique? Um, I absolutely love

[1:28:28] the star uh that we have at the Caramel mission.

[1:28:32] I belong to a sorority called Flying Y. If you look it up on the web, you can

[1:28:38] see that our badge, our symbol is a traditional um I think they call it an

[1:28:44] oto foil. It's Yeah. Okay. It's very traditional in art. You see it

[1:28:50] throughout the time. And I really think something like that and even if you want

[1:28:55] to create something, I don't care. Just make it beautiful. And can we inset it

[1:29:00] instead of having it flush with the wall? Can we inset that into the

[1:29:04] stuckle? Again, going more for the mission revival style that I would

[1:29:11] really like to see. Um, instead of the three arched tall windows

[1:29:17] um on the secondary faces, is there a way that we can turn those into square?

[1:29:23] again going more with the traditional style that we see here in town and again

[1:29:28] in setting that into the stuckco um at the gables

[1:29:36] um there are places where you have that love it let's do more of that more

[1:29:42] design isn't necessarily better simple elegant traditional beautiful that's

[1:29:49] what I'm going for here that's what I believe this city wants to see. Okay.

[1:29:56] Um, let's see. Uh, I already told you about

[1:30:00] the arcades. If we can get more in, I think that'll be great when it's

[1:30:04] raining. Um, it will also shade. It will also save the stuckco. Um, the garage,

[1:30:12] the rounded part on the top. I don't know what you call that. Is there a way

[1:30:18] that we can make that more prominent and instead of putting in the foils there,

[1:30:24] put in or I think it was a window, can we put in a vent instead? Or there may

[1:30:29] have been an oculizer. Can we just put a vent instead? Again, keeping it more

[1:30:35] simple. Um, and again, these are ideas. I'm not

[1:30:38] I don't want you feeling like I'm telling you, but just like Okay. Um,

[1:30:45] the entry court view. I love it. I love the big arches. I love the arched door.

[1:30:52] I love the wood. And I know that you need the glass so people can see in and

[1:30:56] see out. I think that's beautiful. Go with it. Don't mess with it. Back to the

[1:31:01] garage. My other apologies. Um, when I looked at the garage doors, I went and

[1:31:07] it's me personally, but you have windows in the top of it. Is there a way that we

[1:31:12] can just do the solid wood and then maybe do some more iron um you know for

[1:31:18] hinges and that sort of thing making it look old world to match the town. Um

[1:31:25] I love keeping the vent on the gables that are there. Quiet space, quiet

[1:31:31] treatment. It is also proof that the detail I'm

[1:31:35] asking for at the garage already exists. So hopefully we can do it there too.

[1:31:40] Um, I know that there are some middleles missing. That really isn't a big deal

[1:31:44] right now. This is more of here are our our ideas, in this case, my ideas on

[1:31:52] what you've presented. And I think we are off to a fantastic start and I think

[1:31:57] once we get moving that this is going to go fairly quickly. Um, I noticed that

[1:32:04] there was no color plan and no material board. Again, that wasn't expected here,

[1:32:09] but if you could put one together for us, that would be fantastic. Again, I

[1:32:15] personally am looking for those old world styles, not bright white, but a

[1:32:20] Spanish white, more with the cream, the yellow, the aged color, the red, the

[1:32:26] heavy red, the heavy wood. And I know you you can do that. So, um any chance

[1:32:33] um let's see what else? Um, the LO line

[1:32:37] adjustment. I know we're going to talk about that later.

[1:32:41] [clears throat] Um, I think right now I don't need to

[1:32:46] address the zoning. Um, the Calran event. We'll deal with that when it

[1:32:51] comes in. I didn't feel it was appropriate at this time to really go

[1:32:55] into um, you know, the plants and that sort

[1:32:59] of thing when we're talking about the building. I think once we get the

[1:33:04] building, it's going to be a lot easier to see what's going to work where,

[1:33:09] excuse me, and where. Um,

[1:33:14] uh, the 136, excuse me, the 136 parking field needs, um, real screening, but we

[1:33:23] can work with that. I love the tree canopy.

[1:33:26] Um, screening of refues is absolutely a

[1:33:31] must, a must. You guys are creating this and I know that you can you can do that

[1:33:35] now is the time. Um, again, the arch entry belia, they're beautiful.

[1:33:44] And again, just for me, it's let's get this building rolling and then let's

[1:33:50] focus on. So, thank you very much for all of your effort. I know this wasn't

[1:33:55] easy. I know that the cost and time associated with this, I'm truly grateful

[1:34:03] and I just want to say keep going and let's make this a beautiful building.

[1:34:07] Thank you. Or building. Thank you very much.

[1:34:10] » Thank you. Chairman, >> can I address one of your comments?

[1:34:14] » Sure. So definitely that's what I I came here

[1:34:19] to do this for that mean I'm interacting with everybody getting feedback and

[1:34:25] going back to the drawing board. One thing I do want to say is ideally

[1:34:31] like I would love to create courtyards and the system of

[1:34:37] building that you went through. The problem is that like with our new uh

[1:34:42] system like for a healthcare building I can't create too many places where staff

[1:34:50] is walking in and out of building or patient. So if it were a separate uh

[1:34:57] element like maybe the senior center could be its own element something like

[1:35:02] that we can definitely play around with that but the main building the

[1:35:07] healthcare thing has to be sort of continuous enclosed

[1:35:18] » okay I left my report here in a hypo patient

[1:35:22] » and Um, I know that they have a treatment center in South Bay. It used

[1:35:28] to be called Center Street. I have no idea what they call now. And you have

[1:35:32] multiple buildings. And um, yeah, the physicians probably

[1:35:38] don't walk between them, but here's what I'm going to say to you. Get creative. I

[1:35:44] know you can do this. You created this. Get creative for me. Give us what we

[1:35:49] need so that this community is happy with us. Give us the gateway that this

[1:35:55] town deserves. We need a win right now and you can provide it.

[1:36:00] » The San Bonito Health Foundation can provide it. Give us the campus that this

[1:36:06] town deserves. Please. >> Okay. And I understand you can't do

[1:36:11] everything. Just get creative. Thank you. go get

[1:36:18] your best apparently I have the easiest job

[1:36:24] just to piggy back on comments regarding uh state federal regulations that we

[1:36:30] have to comply with it does have a bit of difficulty

[1:36:35] because next point commissioner but that's a perfect opportunity for me to

[1:36:40] come up here as we continue with comments and that is to invite you all

[1:36:44] including staff to visit our hall services, take a look at the logistics,

[1:36:50] how the operation actually works and um uh it may give us all I think a better

[1:36:57] idea of what to expect what any

[1:37:06] we'll hear from the one guy who could build this whole place

[1:37:10] right [clears throat] Good. I'm not changing.

[1:37:15] » First of all, I just want to start off by thanking all the community that came

[1:37:18] tonight participation. Um

[1:37:23] I or Chris already talked about at the

[1:37:27] beginning, but one thing that really is important to me,

[1:37:30] especially the thought, is hiding all the MVPs, whether that be on the roof

[1:37:36] and all the electrical panels, gas, meters, all that stuff from the

[1:37:40] frontage. Um

[1:37:44] the the road that was drawn in on the left side of the parcel. I just wanted

[1:37:52] to know is that just a random rendering or did we have any kind of traffic

[1:37:56] impact that has decided this location for the project?

[1:38:01] » Did you inspection spot going into the building?

[1:38:06] » Yes. So I think what we were talking about

[1:38:10] was that if you see the plan there's the property line that jumps into the

[1:38:15] » product. >> The only way to avoid um having the init

[1:38:22] the previous proposal showed the entry to the right side of that. As a result

[1:38:29] it pushed the building almost again property line and there was no way to

[1:38:34] put something there. with parking lot and then there's a building all the way

[1:38:38] along. So our intention in this version was to

[1:38:44] say can we move just the parking area I mean the entrance driveway further away

[1:38:52] and push the building as close as we can to that corner without intruding on the

[1:38:59] zoning or the other side. So that sort of dictated that. So it came about as a

[1:39:05] result that there was traffic study conducted earlier

[1:39:11] » and I don't know if it's probably beneficial to move it further away from

[1:39:16] Monterey um because it just gives that much more room for parking. I mean the

[1:39:23] cars to stack up, >> right? I just wanted to see if that was

[1:39:26] like you know put in there. >> Um

[1:39:32] Oh, I just want to know the purpose of the garage for me. Oh, that's right.

[1:39:36] Somebody did ask that question. So, the garage, they do have some um

[1:39:43] ambulances and stuff like that. They just want to be able to park at night.

[1:39:49] It's not meant for the staff. Is it for cars or trucks?

[1:39:59] That's all I have for you. I just want to say from the first time I heard about

[1:40:04] this project, I've been really excited. I'm glad that it's coming this far so

[1:40:08] far. Um, and even though somebody said that they won't we won't be getting, you

[1:40:12] know, direct tax on it, but we will be receiving indirect tax benefits on

[1:40:16] Friday. >> And the community gets help. Yeah. The

[1:40:20] biggest one really like if we help our community

[1:40:26] benefit overall everybody.

[1:40:34] » Okay, here I'll go.

[1:40:40] » I'm going to start with just a few comments first. I think he was coming on

[1:40:46] terra observations about what are the department missions.

[1:40:53] So, I was on that planning commission um that approved those designs and I'll be

[1:40:58] the first person to say they were horrible and I'm so thankful that you

[1:41:02] and Richard and Georgiana and everyone coales that you did whatever the design

[1:41:08] now I think should win some kind of an award so much improved over what was

[1:41:13] first approved by the branch commission went

[1:41:17] on appeal with city council and so on so on that

[1:41:22] On one note, I'll also be the first to admit we got parking wrong.

[1:41:28] We got parking real

[1:41:37] soliguration whatever but be mindful of that

[1:41:42] opportunity to fix mission garden parking which is awesome. Um that leads

[1:41:49] me to the next thing which is kind of more organic. Uh you know if you look at

[1:41:53] the city you see the the mission is the centerpiece our crown jewels it's on our

[1:41:59] logo and not the county logo if you've ever noticed that. So mission satisfa

[1:42:10] our little community is the mission and I always I've been doing stuff for San

[1:42:16] and the county for 30 years all my life. I've always been mindful of the mission

[1:42:22] and all I mean again and ends with the mission. So I try to keep that as the

[1:42:27] centerpiece as I think it should be. along those lines. Then we had some

[1:42:31] opportunities come up for the quarter gallon and 166 and that grocery store

[1:42:36] car remember when that first came in it that was not awful. There's a grocery

[1:42:40] store in the strip called the strip owners just awful and

[1:42:45] nobody got sent back. No, that's not it. That's not quite finally after all these

[1:42:49] different iterations. the owners came back with what you see

[1:42:53] today which is a barn and a it looks like it's been there 100 years and I

[1:42:58] think that project and that architecture should also win an award. Then when it

[1:43:03] came time to develop candy corner u that that owner first proposed

[1:43:09] something that one of my architect friends especially called the circle K

[1:43:13] in Fresno and it was terrible. It was like what the heck is this for? One

[1:43:17] person started jumping up and down. What is it? It looked it could be anywhere.

[1:43:23] Not here. And so I called Cara. I called Andy G. I called the historical lady. I

[1:43:27] said, "What was that corner used for historically?" Oh, that Mr. Ty sheep

[1:43:32] ranch. Ah, perfect. Oh, the sheep ranch. Let's do something like that. Kind of

[1:43:36] more of a barn kind of vernacular. That way the wind the window market and that

[1:43:40] property will kind of communicate, kind of talk to each other. But more

[1:43:43] importantly, it looks like things that could have surrounded the mission back

[1:43:48] in the day. So what are the things that supported the mission want to be organic

[1:43:53] to this community and look like it's been there look like it exist and that's

[1:43:58] why I'm going to go with these comments and I don't want to design the I'm going

[1:44:02] to kind of read these because this project is so important that's another

[1:44:05] editorial comment for all that time that corner that gas station has come up

[1:44:12] a lot she her vision for that she said Joe we

[1:44:17] should put If you guys can really show me I think

[1:44:20] it's like I think but it's in the south cafe want to show me. So the idea was I

[1:44:28] think Chris pointed this out a very valuable corner both prominence

[1:44:32] proximity to things. So when this project came up after 30

[1:44:39] years of thinking about that corner I thought oh man okay we got to get this

[1:44:43] one right. I took the time to prepare some topics that I go over right now.

[1:44:49] And I put the first thing I put by talking about

[1:44:56] because this is an extraordinary site in an extraordinary town. Whatever

[1:45:01] ultimately occupies that site will be here for generations. And because of it

[1:45:05] size and location, this project will become an important part of how people

[1:45:10] experience our town. I understand Foundation has substantial

[1:45:15] programs they need to accommodate and footnote program or a program

[1:45:21] architecture architect lingo for what is the building supposed to do is that

[1:45:26] right what's supposed to be inside there how's all going to work the program

[1:45:32] » that's going to come up tomorrow >> and again not also by way of full

[1:45:37] disclosure the program of the health foundation is near and dear to my heart

[1:45:42] I was on the board of directors years with Victoria and another traveled with

[1:45:46] her Washington which I understand she is right now. Um, so I know about the

[1:45:52] mission and the mission statement of the foundation. I know program vital for

[1:45:56] this community and I could not agree more. You're not going to see anything

[1:45:59] from me tonight even questioning that program or what you guys are about. It's

[1:46:05] all going to be designed. the calmer and the aesthetics on what we're doing that

[1:46:14] the square of this building is real and the tremendous public service the

[1:46:17] organization provides to our community is real but and

[1:46:22] forgive me but these comments are directly going to be towards you as the

[1:46:26] designer >> and turns to me I've been trying to meet

[1:46:29] with you for a long time as he'll back me up on that night let's have coffee

[1:46:33] with your design picture was really stoked that you came on or we got a new

[1:46:36] designer. Great, you know, let's do it. Let's talk. So, I'm having that talk.

[1:46:41] It's even better now. The program does not dictate the

[1:46:46] architectural expression of that program.

[1:46:51] Therefore, it question what if it isn't one building? Looking at the current

[1:46:56] proposed design is already trying to address the problem of math and scale.

[1:47:01] You see different lines, cables, arcades, balconies, reset, elements,

[1:47:05] towers, and changes in elevation. All very trying to break up that math. I

[1:47:10] know you're trying to do a very job put on that really quickly. So Ming a couple

[1:47:17] times and said, you know, I think based on that curation, awful. I said, you

[1:47:22] know, would be great lean kind of tor mentioned this building certainly does

[1:47:28] that. Camaro Centur LC that kind of vernacular down there definitely kind of

[1:47:33] is leaning in that direction and therefore makes great improvements very

[1:47:37] building and that's that's the issue right now is it size and it's mass

[1:47:44] the architecture is already working to make one very large building appear to

[1:47:48] be in collaboration smaller build so I want to ask more fundamental question

[1:47:53] why does that have to be one building at all what if we took the entire health

[1:47:57] foundation program and distributed it among individual buildings were

[1:48:02] necessary certainly but experience as a collection of buildings rather than a

[1:48:07] single institutional structure and I thought about that and the history

[1:48:13] of what surrounded the mission in the late 1800s

[1:48:19] I came up with this concept and make my work by analogy Estantia

[1:48:26] and that that analogy keeps coming back to me. Estantia. Imagine a small Estonia

[1:48:31] that develops organically over time. Perhaps a principal building occurs

[1:48:36] followed by another structure when another function is needed. Then

[1:48:39] another, a courtyard emerges with us, a garden wall, a gate, an arcade, a

[1:48:44] covered path from one building to another. Different buildings have

[1:48:48] different heights, masses, and degrees of architectural importance. And

[1:48:52] importantly, the space between the buildings becomes architecture too.

[1:48:56] Instead of parking lot and enormous building, the experience can become

[1:49:01] street, walls, gate, courtyard, garden, arcade, building, passage, and other

[1:49:05] courtyards and other buildings. It becomes something you move through and

[1:49:09] discover rather than a single object you appreciate.

[1:49:18] Yeah, it's like a little ranch type supportive enclave compound that

[1:49:25] prevalent in early California that and it's not like they would have served

[1:49:29] permission in some way. They supportive of but they were kind of almost

[1:49:34] self-contained but there clusters of buildings that made sense together but

[1:49:39] like like I just said they didn't all develop all at once. They were kind of

[1:49:43] accumulated over time. So you think like Emily building what's that called adobe

[1:49:50] for building

[1:49:53] the cutest little adobe but it's humble it's not carpet at all it's a beautiful

[1:49:59] old building something I think of it we have another little adobe that's

[1:50:06] original on our town on the corner another little humble great structure so

[1:50:12] collections of buildings like all connected in the way that things

[1:50:24] in that fashion become architecture too

[1:50:29] become something you look through and discovered um etc. I'm not suggesting

[1:50:34] that we reproduce a historic or create a historical data set. This

[1:50:40] must be thoroughly this must be a thoroughly modern healthcare.

[1:50:46] What I am suggesting is that we learn from the way these

[1:50:50] places grow, their scale, their hierarchy, their irregularity,

[1:50:55] courtyard, wall, landscape, relationships among individual buildings

[1:51:00] and ask whether those principles can accommodate a modern healthcare program.

[1:51:05] That's the opportunity. The health foundation doesn't need less programs.

[1:51:10] It doesn't need beer examination rooms, beer offices or less capacity.

[1:51:16] I think it needs a different architectural idea for containing that

[1:51:20] program. But I think this site presents a rare opportunity to do something much

[1:51:25] more ambitious than making a large institutional building compatible.

[1:51:31] This building doesn't merely need to be compatible.

[1:51:35] it has the opportunity to become a part of what is

[1:51:41] if we can accommodate that I think we have created something that doesn't

[1:51:45] simply avoid farming and historic community

[1:51:49] do it and I just wanted to point out

[1:51:55] made a good observation

[1:52:02] of the Sure.

[1:52:08] Also for design

[1:52:14] hospital that's a great example design really great.

[1:52:21] So those are my comments and in short to summarize all of that can we make this

[1:52:28] building

[1:52:32] I think the limitation that I find is

[1:52:38] » can I um I have heard as I'm sure you did too

[1:52:44] I'm sure Victor my case on this is that we have any

[1:52:49] problem adjusting lines common zoning champion to get the right

[1:52:54] project. >> In other words, if we

[1:52:58] » I'm going to say that. >> That's why I kind of guess that's where

[1:53:02] you're going, right? No, I think that I think the proposition to this community

[1:53:07] is we can have some smaller buildings that all look like they make sense, you

[1:53:12] know, and could have developed over time supportive of emissions that people come

[1:53:15] up to this town and go, "Wow, what's that? I don't believe that."

[1:53:19] then we will we will do whatever we can to accommodate you right

[1:53:25] » I got knowledge

[1:53:28] » there you go >> because that that was a constraint like

[1:53:32] and I got involved I said okay what can I do here

[1:53:36] » bless you for right so now maybe now maybe you can get really creative okay

[1:53:41] » and really go and really kind of get into it a little bit come back something

[1:53:46] really >> again the building that you designed is

[1:53:50] gorgeous in camera. >> Yeah,

[1:53:53] » it's really kind of big here. 10,000 square feet bigger than I want to

[1:53:58] mention. >> The problem is like it had to it ended

[1:54:02] up getting stacked. >> If you see that, you can see like

[1:54:07] literally it's like a sliver, >> right? And I can't like then talk to

[1:54:12] Ariel like I was hoping she'd allow just a little bit over there then I can

[1:54:16] spread it out but like for me it have to and then you don't have any relaxed

[1:54:22] parking requirements everything has to be accommodated on site

[1:54:26] » and it either became a parking field or like and even if I were to stag building

[1:54:31] I think probably another thing would be the relaxation on the requirement of

[1:54:36] parking because in the same thing. The more parking you provide, the less there

[1:54:43] is to build on. Let's look at that. >> So, um through this chair, it is okay.

[1:54:50] um that did take a look at it and you could uh in the zoning um table um you

[1:55:00] could change it to allow for clinic and it would still be consist of the general

[1:55:05] plan and so it would be a zoning um a >> great

[1:55:09] » and then you would have three parcels >> you'd be able to work with

[1:55:13] » and I think we could I'm not mistaken that application be extend.

[1:55:23] » Yes, there would be one application that would include uh tax amendment and

[1:55:29] whether or not you still need to do what adjustment go back.

[1:55:34] » So is that concurrent or concurrent? It would be with your

[1:55:39] application would just be um site design with a zoning and approved. However, the

[1:55:48] site design um is approved at planning commission level and zing is a

[1:55:54] legislative planning commission recommending that

[1:55:58] piece of it.

[1:56:02] But um when you're making those amendments,

[1:56:06] you're finding that it's um consistent and you're implementing a general plan

[1:56:10] and a

[1:56:15] » agreed on something already. >> I think I think that that's critical

[1:56:21] like as long as >> programmatic requirements are met, you

[1:56:26] can address the community and commissioners like we want to create a

[1:56:31] good project. You want to create something that's your own product like

[1:56:34] like it needs to be in

[1:56:39] » again right

[1:56:45] » and along those lines it's als

[1:56:57] very great very important to dialogue >> absolutely and then down the road we You

[1:57:01] can think about like what the story like what everybody is looking at what

[1:57:07] scale is

[1:57:16] » public

[1:57:22] as a board member. I didn't miss and then I have been learn

[1:57:27] a lot. But I think you guys have to be more positive

[1:57:32] because as you go on and on and on and on, we get into the negative. I'm here

[1:57:40] saying that we're going to do it how the dream has been planned. And we're lucky

[1:57:47] we have a CEO who is very good at writing grant and going to every place

[1:57:52] where she can get the support. I'm here not to give her credit,

[1:57:58] » but let's give her the chance to prove that this county can be better.

[1:58:03] » The first thing that has to be done here is take care of public transportation.

[1:58:08] » That's the first thing. >> Victoria, the public comment closed. We

[1:58:12] encourage you and no one has expressed any negativity of that. I'm sorry about

[1:58:15] the health foundation. Everyone very very supportive. We're just trying to

[1:58:18] come up. >> Okay. I want to thank you ahead of time

[1:58:20] if that happen right now because I'm not very good in one year. I only hear part

[1:58:26] and so because I want the conflict I came here with a faith and an open

[1:58:31] minded that we wouldn't pick

[1:58:37] afterward. Okay.

[1:58:41] Are there any

[1:58:50] really quick just request um uh there archives or anything like that regarding

[1:58:58] the the front edge improvement or the streets right away plan or anything that

[1:59:04] you have? We appreciate that. that will help us with obviously design but yes I

[1:59:09] just want to second your motion Mr. sure that uh what you have collectively said

[1:59:15] today is yet how do we get to

[1:59:22] and I think it did really great things really really great like market

[1:59:36] who designed

[1:59:40] give him an award Okay, that's it for the commissioner

[1:59:44] comment.

[1:59:48] Ariel's going to change down stuff for you, I'm

[1:59:52] sure. >> Yes, that was all I was going to add.

[1:59:58] » All right, great. Thank you everyone for that presentation and as Nick said a

[2:00:04] couple dialog

[2:00:13] and next up is something equally exciting about their

[2:00:20] magician

[2:00:24] all the way down with anybody

[2:00:30] the next step. >> Great.

[2:00:31] » Thank you.

[2:00:42] You want the death

[2:01:09] on? Yeah. Okay.

[2:01:14] » Okay. This is the conditional permit for a 225 foot.

[2:01:20] We go from 40,000 square feet to 225T bathroom.

[2:01:27] Okay.

[2:01:30] » I actually going to pass it off to Victor, our associate manager.

[2:01:38] » Thank you. Good evening, chair, commissioners, and members of the

[2:01:40] public. I'm Victor, associate planner with the city of South Mata. Tonight, I

[2:01:45] will be discussing um PLN 260006, the GR conditioning use permit located at 8:30

[2:01:52] Mission Vineyard. The applicant is requesting an approval to add 225 ft to

[2:01:58] the existing residence for primary bath and walking cost.

[2:02:03] With that introduction, let's begin with a quick overview of presentation.

[2:02:08] So tonight um our discussion will focus on the project location background land

[2:02:14] use consistency used for the findings and staff recommendation. Let's begin

[2:02:19] with the project location. The proposed project is located at 830

[2:02:26] mission vineyard. The assessor number is 002-550-0

[2:02:32] and the property is approximately 1.04 zero acres

[2:02:38] map on screen show general location of the property near San

[2:02:44] road and state rout next I will provide some background on

[2:02:49] the property and explain why additional use permit is required

[2:02:55] already has an industrial general plan designation and industrial zoning the

[2:02:59] existing home that was before the property was added to the city before

[2:03:04] current industrial only. For that reason, the resident is

[2:03:09] considered illegal on use. This means the home was lawful when it was

[2:03:15] established, but it's not a use that would be normally allowed in the current

[2:03:19] zoning. The home may continue to be used. However, chapter 11-15 of the

[2:03:26] municipal code requires that a condition use permit before the residential use um

[2:03:31] may be expanded. The planning commission set up the project on a preliminary

[2:03:37] basis on June 23 or no formal action was taken during that meeting. Tonight the

[2:03:43] formal public hearing on the additional use per

[2:03:52] to allow a 225 foot addition to the existing residence.

[2:03:58] The addition would contain a primary bathroom and a walk-in closet. The plan

[2:04:03] on the screen shows where the addition would be attached to the existing home.

[2:04:08] The project would not have a bedroom unit or change the existing res. The

[2:04:14] commission will be asked to consider only the limited addition the existing

[2:04:18] home. The next slide will provide a close look at plan layout of the

[2:04:23] addition.

[2:04:27] The existing residence contains 152 ft. The proposed addition would add 225

[2:04:35] square ft resulting in total floor area of 1,277

[2:04:39] square feet. The addition would remain single story but were not included

[2:04:43] bedroom or separate unit.

[2:04:51] So the general plan designation zoning for the property are both industrial

[2:04:55] although resident resilition

[2:05:00] must comply with the residential development standards of the industrial

[2:05:04] zoning district. The property contains 45,32

[2:05:09] square ft which exceeds the 1,00 square foot in the lot area. The lot is 225.8

[2:05:18] 98 py which exceeds the 100 foot minimum. The floor area ratio is 0.076

[2:05:25] below the 0.15 maximum. The building coverage is 0.8.08

[2:05:32] below the 0.90 max. The propose height is 12 ft 9 in below the 50 foot maximum.

[2:05:40] The rear setback is 41 ft of inches which seats a 20 foot minimum. Before

[2:05:52] approving the conditional use permit, the planning commission must make three

[2:05:56] required findings. First finding is that the use is necessary or desirable in

[2:06:02] relation to the general land zoning ordinance economic social environmental

[2:06:07] status of city. The second finding is that the use related to nearby uses,

[2:06:13] transportation and public facilities and were not a cause undue environmental

[2:06:17] impact. The third finding is the use would not adversely affect the health or

[2:06:23] safety of the public the vicinity or be detrimental to the public welfare.

[2:06:30] based on the limited scope of the project, it's in compliance with the

[2:06:35] development standards and absence. Um that can make all three findings

[2:06:47] regarding SQUA. Um the project qualifies for a class one categorical exemption

[2:06:54] for existing facilities. The existing resident could contain 1,52

[2:07:00] ft 50% the floor area ratio 526.

[2:07:09] Um the 90 step is recommend that the planning commission review the staff

[2:07:14] board for the public hearing and hearing component and deployment of the project.

[2:07:18] adopt the draft resolution including find condition of approval approval of

[2:07:24] the condition use permit and find the project

[2:07:28] under SQA class one utilities

[2:07:34] and with that that concludes my presentation I'm available to answer any

[2:07:38] questions the commission may have and the applicant is online as well if you

[2:07:42] have any questions for them okay thank you very

[2:07:49] Unless

[2:07:56] take a moment

[2:08:13] just really the hitt did some kind of a sale coke with a well and whatever and

[2:08:20] fashion red that area industrial even though all the house was already on it.

[2:08:26] It was already residential, but they needed the restroom. So now you got to

[2:08:30] take some active Congress to make the bathroom because of the zoning.

[2:08:37] » We talked about that. Can't we just undo that? But every time he changed

[2:08:45] as I was apparently now that's like a big deal, too. Like

[2:08:51] you >> not

[2:08:53] possible for them, >> but

[2:08:55] » but it's just the way it is. So we all we have been able to do is try to

[2:08:58] expedite through blah blah blah but I still

[2:09:11] regul

[2:09:19] if you want I can help address one of the options available we can discuss it

[2:09:24] further um in um our item six uh is one of the things you can do is um you can

[2:09:34] connect your um nonconforming um uses uh with minor modifications. So

[2:09:42] allow for certain extent um to to be done um things like you know setbacks or

[2:09:51] addition up to a certain percentage um requiring

[2:09:56] the construction. So that's something consider when looking at

[2:10:08] your point of longterm.

[2:10:15] Okay. Um or Sarah, are you both here? Do you have anything you want to add to the

[2:10:20] report or are you good?

[2:10:31] anything you want to add.

[2:10:39] No. Okay.

[2:10:43] Microphone.

[2:10:50] Okay. Well, we'll take that.

[2:10:54] So are there any comments from the public on this agenda item? We do not

[2:10:59] have any chambers or

[2:11:08] anyone is interested in making a motion. I would recommend that

[2:11:14] motion

[2:11:18] you're good to go. This is

[2:11:24] that move to adopt a resolution approving

[2:11:28] conditional use permit PLN20 uh 006 to allow 225 foot addition to an

[2:11:36] existing law performing single family resident

[2:11:40] road APN 002550019 subject to the conditions approval and

[2:11:46] finance project category we California Environmental Quality Act pursuant to

[2:11:52] SQL guidelines section 15301 E1 class one existing facility.

[2:12:00] » Thank you. >> Second

[2:12:05] of course commissioner >> I

[2:12:09] commission >> Commissioner

[2:12:12] » Hi.

[2:12:18] Thank you for hanging in there.

[2:12:27] » Yeah, that's right. All right.

[2:12:37] situation.

[2:12:52] » It was on the agenda. Do you continue? So you just want to release that

[2:12:57] information next month.

[2:13:04] continue.

[2:13:09] Now 7 A compleate

[2:13:17] a time estimate at this point

[2:13:22] and I know

[2:13:29] » [clears throat]

[2:13:39] » Is this a good

[2:13:45] » There's a lot that we could discuss in um uh the zoning code. I

[2:13:51] if you want I can I probably have

[2:13:58] 15 minutes of PowerPoint presentation and then I'm sure

[2:14:04] it is up to your guys's discussion to continue or

[2:14:11] think

[2:14:15] » um I would suggest that we give back uh or suggest the staff they focus on

[2:14:23] legal conflict and conflicts within. So in other words, conflicts with state and

[2:14:29] federal regulations within the current code and conflict within the code uh

[2:14:36] where there's um differing uh direction within the existing zoning code. take

[2:14:43] over the first two priorities for moving forward and that we can leave this item

[2:14:49] for a more comprehensive conversation. >> I agree with that and and want to thank

[2:14:56] and commend Mr. for pointing that out and also make the

[2:15:02] observation that that's probably one hour

[2:15:07] that went through. >> Exactly. But I do almost like workshop I

[2:15:13] think. >> Yeah. And through the commission I can

[2:15:17] also work with you to schedule a special meeting just on this item.

[2:15:22] » It will it will be a good amount of keeping a part of trying to get to the

[2:15:28] good entry to um you know you know. So just I can quickly give you

[2:15:37] like some maybe help two or three minute feel but uh for the ADU ordinance part

[2:15:43] of why that was come forward was because um our

[2:15:48] state law and two of Ju um and um is the water um

[2:16:00] or that is in that one that we'll need to bring forward because that one is

[2:16:05] also uh we need to make sure that that's in our ordinance. Um as we exhausted our

[2:16:12] six housing uh our six cycle housing element um there's also uh some pieces

[2:16:19] of um residential that we have to um update as as far as that's you know just

[2:16:27] a few examples about um and then as we have heard just tonight and then some we

[2:16:35] we've addressed um you know uses in mix in misuse such as um allowing for

[2:16:42] clinics or um the um allowing for minor modification

[2:16:51] um and and things like that. part of tonight's uh discussion

[2:16:57] um was going to look, you know, to kind of look at

[2:17:03] taking our ordinance um and looking at as a short downtown and separating that

[2:17:08] out of the land uses outside of that because signs needed in our store

[2:17:14] compared to signs needed outside or permit streamlining

[2:17:19] um by but still needing the historic um uh design guideline requirements

[2:17:26] um by allowing for business reuse. And so that was kind of some of those

[2:17:30] opening discussion. Um as one of the items from the economic development

[2:17:36] discussion with the council looking at the retail formula outside of the

[2:17:40] downtown business. Um another item that had been part of the presentation was um

[2:17:45] also looking um it's called an entertainment district and looking at

[2:17:49] the downtown entertainment district. This would be um simply put allowing um

[2:17:56] on certain days or times uh the ability to um block with alcohol beverages, you

[2:18:04] know, for monthly students, but just exploring different ideas

[2:18:08] um to bring people downtown and focusing on downtown getting businesses downtown.

[2:18:15] Um and then also looking at it that it's a completely different context from your

[2:18:20] other um mixed use and commercial locations like others right that we've

[2:18:24] discussed and so um and looking at our code to kind of distinguish that and um

[2:18:32] bring business in but also keep good. So that was that was a modified version

[2:18:41] of what the the presentation was and It could it can take it will take probably

[2:18:47] several meetings um uh but we can we can bring some pieces

[2:18:53] forward um and then we can talk about session

[2:19:03] » I'd like to ask a quick question is there any um time frame that we're up

[2:19:08] against here in regards to our decision on

[2:19:15] question.

[2:19:19] » I didn't answer the AU ordinance they wanted yesterday. So, of course, we're

[2:19:26] behind schedule. So, that's why that one being pulled out ahead and um though

[2:19:32] that you haven't come in yet. Um but some of those staff is taking

[2:19:40] inspiration just working to

[2:19:45] I'm certainly not opposed to pushing this on to the next meeting. Um I love

[2:19:51] the idea of doing a special meeting where it's almost more like training

[2:19:53] where we get a map of data dump all this information. We're focused on the zoning

[2:19:58] section 11. You give it to us, we absorb it and we go from there. So if you guys

[2:20:04] aren't opposed to this, I would say instead of pushing you out to our next

[2:20:07] meeting, let's do a special.

[2:20:12] Yeah, there's a lot

[2:20:20] here. I make a motion that

[2:20:27] we we continue a compet

[2:20:43] workshop,

[2:20:48] whatever.

[2:21:01] Not your pleasure.

[2:21:08] » Of course. Commissioner, >> Commissioner K, Commissioner,

[2:21:14] » Commissioner,

[2:21:17] » Motion.

[2:21:22] This will be one of them. Um,

[2:21:28] did you would you like to do your commissioner

[2:21:32] comments?

[2:21:56] Yeah, we spoke last weekend last week about the

[2:22:03] » influence. manager come

[2:22:09] I just that's what I that and the historic preservation

[2:22:14] or worked on but not that >> yes I have I have some

[2:22:21] um

[2:22:24] » yeah I'm just I'm suggesting that those are future agenda

[2:22:30] » um okay >> we're still on so

[2:22:34] » there are a separate committee. Um, but I can I can respond to it.

[2:22:41] » My thought is

[2:22:51] » that was included in my presentation on >> do the whole signage

[2:22:59] part of that >> signage is in title 11.

[2:23:04] I know it is alone. I know because I sat here

[2:23:10] before. You hear that? >> Oh my goodness. If someone posts going

[2:23:17] out of business, how long should that How many times can they go out of

[2:23:20] business? [laughter] Legit question. Should there be

[2:23:24] regulation on that? And what are those? Are those temporary sign? If so, how

[2:23:28] big? And I mean, you can talk for hours just online. We can absolutely break

[2:23:34] that up with um discuss more >> neon

[2:23:45] she just went remember the neon internally illuminated by externally

[2:23:51] eliminated >> all that

[2:23:57] and you have to be kind of granular on that you know there's no there's no real

[2:24:03] internally.

[2:24:14] Yeah, we can um we can do an intro as part of the hood updates and then we can

[2:24:21] also have why don't you figure out what the

[2:24:26] construction look like this figure out.

[2:24:31] » Okay, you got it. Okay.

[2:24:38] » Um, I just have one comment I spoke to. I thought tonight was very constructive.

[2:24:42] I thought it was positive. Yes, I am. My glass is helpful, not empty. And I will

[2:24:47] always be that way.

[2:24:50] So, I am very excited to see this project up and running. And with that

[2:24:55] being said, I would also like to formally announce that I'm running.

[2:25:00] So there are three seats available and I am hoping to be elected to one of them.

[2:25:06] Thank you.

[2:25:12] » Congratulations on your candid

[2:25:19] members joining. We appreciate it. Baptism by fire

[2:25:30] glad to be here. I'm excited and thank you for today.

[2:25:34] » That's right. Because every time I watch this on

[2:25:37] YouTube

[2:26:01] in the first especially

[2:26:08] » I thought it was very

[2:26:13] all kinds of different input that was wonderful.

[2:26:20] So now so um

[2:26:25] uh staff is preparing items um to have uh our urban

[2:26:34] road boundary meeting. We'll need to actually do it not on the regular

[2:26:39] meeting. So we'll be sending out session meeting but it will be in the middle of

[2:26:43] September. And um so I'm working with the consultant and then I'll be with

[2:26:50] members to make sure that they can sort of the options work. Um and then um for

[2:27:00] the historic ordinance we just you know we finished wrapping up edits we believe

[2:27:07] um the intent and we finished all the mapping um but the that staff

[2:27:15] um piece isn't done. So, um if we had a meeting

[2:27:22] in the month of uh September, it would just be on those um

[2:27:29] uh two those two uh portions and we could continue that for a later date.

[2:27:36] But you can see that we've done the new round of edit

[2:27:44] will not be available.

[2:27:48] Okay. Then um then we will we'll work on the the scheduling on on that item

[2:27:56] that'll give us the time to maybe finish that last but

[2:28:02] of those items. It sounds like the end of our falling

[2:28:09] into winter is going to be very busy with meeting.

[2:28:13] You guys are all

[2:28:25] move to >> second.

[2:28:30] » Thank you everyone. Great.

2026 September 1 City of San Juan Bautista Planning Commission Regular Meeting

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