[0:04] All right.

[0:10] Matthew.

[0:18] » Yes sir. >> Slideshows put together as well.

[0:23] » Okay. >> And also have some of this. This is

[0:24] referenced in slideshow but I just wanted to give everyone a copy like to

[0:28] see it detail

[0:35] Davis. She's also helping me.

[0:42] » So we uh we operate Mid Point home dealership on the floor next to Walmart.

[0:50] We do sell homes. We're also uh June 1st we're going to be here. We're going for

[0:55] proposed development um to annex into the city, but we'll talk about that June

[1:00] 1st. But before that meeting, I wanted to kind of bring some awareness to uh

[1:04] roof pitch and potentially request a roof pitch variance uh at that time for

[1:09] that development. So, I just wanted to go through this uh slideshow with you.

[1:13] Uh the purpose of our development is to create uh quality affordable housing,

[1:19] support working families and retirees, increase local home ownership

[1:23] opportunities, and develop an attractive, well-maintained

[1:26] neighborhood. Our request is approval of a 312 roof pitch variance in place of

[1:31] the current 412 roof pitch requirement. Our goal is to reduce or is not to

[1:37] reduce quality. Our goal is to keep homes attainable for local residents

[1:41] while still maintaining an attractive de development.

[1:47] Uh wanted to focus on housing affordability. You know, it continues to

[1:50] rise. Increased construction costs affect first-time home buyers, young

[1:54] families, retirees on a fixed income. Workforce housing availability.

[2:00] uh ev every additional construction requirement directly impacts monthly

[2:04] mortgage payments, buyer qual qualification ability, and overall

[2:08] affordability.

[2:12] This here, I just outlined uh kind of some key differences between 312 and 412

[2:17] roof systems. You can see in the picture there, not a huge difference in the

[2:22] pitch. Uh with the 312, there is lower construction cost. It's easier

[2:26] transportation. The manufactured homes do travel down the road. That's part of

[2:30] transport. Uh reduced installation expense and it also maintains an

[2:35] attractive appearance. With 412 roof pitches, it requires a hinged roof

[2:39] system, which I'll have a picture of that demonstrate what that is.

[2:43] Basically, it's transported with a flat roof and then when it gets to the job

[2:46] site, the roof has to be hinged up to give a higher pitch. Um, with that there

[2:51] is higher cost in manufacturing, increased setup labor and additional

[2:55] on-site construction required. Another representation of the difference

[3:01] between a 312 and a 412 roof pitch. 312 roof pitch home with the dormers.

[3:10] 412 roof pitch home without the dormers. Why I have those pictures I think it's

[3:16] referenced in the next slide with a

[3:21] RA or here's construction of a raised roof system. So basically once it gets

[3:25] the job site there's a 412 it does have a a higher

[3:30] pitch. Also that picture is a what they call a kind of a a shotgun or front

[3:35] loader home. So that is it's not square long ways you know it's more of a you

[3:40] also you know part of that figure is you know the type of home you know instead

[3:44] of being long ways it's shown ways but does have hinge roof transport system

[3:49] additional labor crew uh roof lifting after delivery extensive finish work on

[3:54] site and the result is a substantially higher total housing cost for homeowners

[4:00] and I wanted to note that these are not these costs are not luxury upgrades they

[4:03] are transport and installation expenses that ultimately increase the price

[4:07] families must pay for this home.

[4:13] Attached, which I'll give you copies of, um, is the quotes from the manufacturer

[4:18] showing the cost of a 412 roof pitch and the installation cost of that same 412

[4:23] roof system. And that's the pictures of those

[4:26] attachments on the next slide which I have they're blown up in your

[4:31] hands to kind of show the the additional cost.

[4:35] anywhere we're looking from probably 15 to 20,000 in additional cost versus a

[4:41] 312 to a 412 roof per per home which you know it might not sound like a lot but

[4:46] when you break it down to someone starting out it goes to a monthly

[4:49] payment I mean that could be the difference of having it

[4:53] » 15 to 20,000 depending on the style of home

[4:56] » yeah I call Clayton Homes and I ask them that same question which is in

[5:00] Milligville >> and they have a 412 which is on the lot

[5:04] now and it's called the Ty Elite >> and they told me I said what's the

[5:08] difference they said between 30 between 2500 and 3500 for the raised roof.

[5:15] » Let me ask you let me ask you a question though. Yes ma'am.

[5:18] » Now when you do the mobile home roof >> is it made with standard 2x4 truss?

[5:26] » It it all depends on that price sheet. It could be 2x4 or 2x6 truss.

[5:30] » But the standard uh mobile home cuz I went to visit them and did my research

[5:34] too. >> Yes, ma'am.

[5:35] » That made with a 2 by two. >> We don't have any 2 x2 trusses. No,

[5:41] ma'am. >> And there is a difference in

[5:45] a 312 and a 412 even with the bracing on the roof. I talked to an engineer about

[5:51] it as well. >> Okay.

[5:53] » And there is a difference with the bracing as well. Now, we for a long time

[5:59] the city of Sandersville allowed 312, >> but then when we had a 312 roof mobile

[6:06] home next to a stick built house and it didn't match up.

[6:12] » Mhm. So, do you think it's fair that we have a requirement from the

[6:18] international building code that if I wanted to build a home next to yours

[6:24] that I would have to use a certain type of material and have a minimum, Ben,

[6:29] wherever he is, Ben knows he would not give me the approval unless it was a 412

[6:35] pitch. So, do you think that somebody that can put something next to me should

[6:42] have a less requirement in qualifications on that property than I

[6:46] would have to? >> So, I'm not coming here to change city

[6:50] code. That's not the reason of me bringing this information in this, you

[6:53] know, to your attention. >> You said this property located that you

[6:56] want to make this. >> We want to annex this into the city. All

[6:59] right. It's adjacent to city property that already has manufactured homes on

[7:03] it and there is no adjacent property that has a 412 roof pitch or city homes

[7:07] that are stick built and we're looking to do a manufactured housing development

[7:12] specifically for manufactured homes. So there wouldn't be any stick built homes

[7:16] next to this. As a matter of fact, this adjacent only county property and then

[7:21] R3 zoning next to us that has manufactured homes and I didn't build

[7:26] them, but looking at them, they look to have 312 roof pitches because they were

[7:30] annexed into the city. >> Yeah, most of them most of the ones that

[7:32] come out do have a 312, but years ago when we had um manufacturer

[7:39] representatives come in when we was going over the change.

[7:43] » Yes, ma'am. they came in and they explained everything to us probably more

[7:46] in depth than you are >> and um we decided to go with a minimum

[7:51] coming into the city and I before 12 if you have a double wide mobile home now

[7:56] there's so many cities I talked to one of my council friends over in Grey

[8:01] Georgia county they don't even allow double wides at all in their city so

[8:07] really it's a blessing that we're even allowing it in the city limits at this

[8:12] point because so many communities are going away from even allowing single

[8:17] wide or double wides inside their city limits.

[8:20] » Yes, ma'am. I understand. >> And also, we had quite a few people that

[8:26] came into our council meeting um individuals that wanted a 312 pitch and

[8:31] we denied it. So, there's no way that I can sit here and give you a special

[8:36] exception to bring in even if you're bringing in a subdivision.

[8:40] » Yes, ma'am. um to bring in the 312. I think that we started with our 412

[8:45] pitch. That's the ordinance in which we started with and we shouldn't we

[8:49] shouldn't make any changes in it. >> Okay. In addition, uh just touch on what

[8:54] you said. You said you talked to Clayton and the home itself, it could only cost

[8:58] you said 2500. There is a hinge roof up there that's a 29.25. This is from Cavco

[9:03] built out of Moltry, Georgia. And that is correct. The price of that 412 is

[9:07] only 29.25. Same thing with the Clayton cost. But what they're not telling you

[9:11] is the additional installation cost. And this is a certified installer price

[9:15] sheet next to us. You see a 32 uh wide uh home set up and delivered 6500. If

[9:21] you add the raised roof to it, it's additional 4,000. Then you have a gable

[9:25] ends which is on either side. You can have a gable ends on that raised roof.

[9:28] It's a,000 per inch. So now we're talking at 12,500 in additional to that.

[9:34] You're talking about additional um insulation that has to go in there

[9:38] because of the roof. >> Because of the roof.

[9:40] » I understand that. But when you came in and you immediately and I looked at some

[9:45] of the council members faces when you said 15 or $20,000, they're thinking

[9:50] that's just the difference in the roof pitch, which that information wasn't

[9:54] correct. >> It was the additional things that have

[9:57] to go in there have to go in there because of the raised pitch, but not the

[10:01] pitch itself. it. But it's all as one. You can't have the raised pitch without

[10:05] those additional costs. You understand what I'm saying? Like if you brought

[10:08] that totally >> 2500 additional charge, you're gonna

[10:12] have a house sitting there with a flat roof that's still got to be raised.

[10:15] » So it's not a final product. The final cost is anywhere from 15 to 20,000.

[10:19] That's what I was trying to explain. I wasn't trying to mislead anyone. That's

[10:21] why I have the two price sheets side by side and I give you all a copy of both

[10:25] with with the prices highlighted. So I just wanted to clarify that. How many

[10:31] houses are you looking at putting in this?

[10:34] » We have 33 lots. >> Okay.

[10:36] » 33 lots. And like I said, we can discuss that more, you know, on June 1st when

[10:41] we're on the docket there. >> Um, but man, I just like to at least get

[10:45] through the slideshow prepared before we finish.

[10:48] » And all of them will be what you're asking on that particular 33 lots that

[10:54] all of them be 312. >> That's what I would I would like to go

[10:59] in with an, you know, a variance to be able to allow the 12.

[11:04] » One of this, one of that, one of this, one of

[11:06] » I like the whole the whole community kind of, you know, the aesthetically

[11:08] pleasing and similar. You know, I wouldn't ask something of the neighbor

[11:11] that, you know, this person wasn't, you know, you know, forced to do.

[11:18] » We are. Yes, sir. On June 1st. Yes. So, we're on the docket. Um, moving forward

[11:23] now, not all the men who are going going back, there is a dorma conflict. Now,

[11:27] this isn't on every home, but the larger home. So, if you want a fourbedroom or

[11:31] fivebedroom home, which you know, a lot of a lot of families are looking for

[11:35] that, you know, have homes, a lot of kids, you have to go to a 32 wide house,

[11:40] talking the double wide um size requirements. When you go to a 412 roof

[11:44] system, they the manufacturers will not build a 32 wide home. Now, this is just

[11:50] a larger home. It's not a smaller home with a 412 roof that also has dormers.

[11:56] So you will not be able to have a 412 roof pitch on a 32 wide house. So we're

[12:01] talking a four or five bedroomedroom home with also having a dormer which is

[12:06] you know a dormer I think I have some pictures of it is an aesthetic that is

[12:08] also required in the city in the city code. So it kind of conflicts with the

[12:13] larger home. Now we can't do a three-bedroom home 412 roof pitch

[12:17] additional cost but we have dors >> are those dormers that way so you can

[12:21] put the cover Porsche on it. Is that what that is?

[12:23] » Some and some are just for aesthetics. Uh I think I have a picture of some

[12:27] » requirement. >> It's a city requirement

[12:29] » to have a dormer >> to have a dormer. Yes, sir.

[12:32] » Dormer or a bay window. So like So that is a dormer.

[12:35] » Yeah. >> But don't you have to have is it a

[12:38] covered porch? >> There is a covered porch. Yes, sir.

[12:41] Yeah, there's a covered porch ordinance. There's also a dormer ordinance. So I

[12:45] don't >> you know if you need a dormer and

[12:48] covered porch or the covered porch I don't know. I'm not that would be a

[12:52] a planning department question. >> My um

[12:56] after this I just and I don't even know whose home it is but I'm gonna tell you

[12:58] about it because it's a compliment to them but when you're leaving your house

[13:02] and you're going back down in Tabby and you get popppler hang a right by the

[13:07] body shop somebody's really I think that house burned or something

[13:11] » and it really looks good I mean they've got it set up the front porch my concern

[13:16] is basically your your masonary permanent underpinning

[13:22] » um that you have those porches those porches

[13:25] » that you um have the lot sizes and the setbacks.

[13:30] » Absolutely. >> I I think that's the density

[13:34] um of manufacturing homes is what can really harm you when you cram so needy

[13:40] in there and create some density. I I'm not really I I think definitely the 4oot

[13:46] looks better from an aesthetical standpoint, but the 312 versus the 412

[13:50] is not a big issue for me. My big issue is those other factors. Uh and and even

[13:56] you could go back to PNZ and possibly >> I don't even know structure of 412 only

[14:02] in certain um certain zonings like R1 has to be 42, you know, 42.

[14:08] » That's kind of my thoughts on it. We've been sitt

[14:10] » or if you're R3, you could do a 312. >> We've been sitting here talking about

[14:13] trying to get affordable housing affordable housing. I agree. We need we

[14:18] need to stay with 412, but in certain areas like this isolated

[14:23] might not be the right word, but everything's going to be the same.

[14:28] » But that's still not fair. >> It's still not fair because I mean, if

[14:32] you're going to turn around and just because he's putting all of them in one

[14:36] spot. >> Yeah.

[14:37] » Versus somebody that's putting one on a single

[14:39] » has to be four. >> There's no way around it. That's the

[14:42] minimum. >> You can't do a flat roof anymore, I

[14:44] guess. Oh, you could do one, but you have to have what they have like gutters

[14:47] around in order to make sure that the water and then inside that flat roof has

[14:51] to still have to have a little arch root so the water can run and have a draining

[14:55] system. >> But again, it's still not right that

[15:01] we're denying somebody that's doing a single family just because he wants to

[15:08] do 30 units. Now, sure, we do need housing. What's the average cost of that

[15:13] house that you want to put in that subdivision?

[15:16] » Uh the finished product will be anywhere from 180 to 200,000 somewhere that fall

[15:20] apart. >> Whereas if we're going to raise roof,

[15:22] we're going to be over 200,000 220.

[15:25] » Okay. Good. Just where I want you to be. >> We can find builders cuz I talked to one

[15:31] and a developer. She called me and she said with these homes because she

[15:37] thought the guy that was doing the the what is it? The town houses. She spoke

[15:42] with him about the prices and all that kind of stuff and she wants to come and

[15:46] talk to the city and saying that the $200,000 mark for a double wide mobile

[15:53] home. And hey, let's if we all want to be honest and be truthful, you know,

[15:58] just like that car I paid all that money for, a a mobile home depreciates in

[16:02] value. And just like I told the woman, I said,

[16:06] "If we're talking and the mayor sitting here saying about we need the housing,

[16:10] but we also need generational wealth where I'm not just building this unit

[16:16] just for me, but my son can come by later and use that same property and and

[16:22] make and make some money off of it." >> I understand. So, what I'm saying is

[16:25] there's a place, there's some people that want to buy it, but if you want to

[16:28] be in the city of Sandersville, I don't believe we as a council should turn

[16:33] around and lower the standard of what we said that we was going to do after all

[16:39] this conversation just because you saying that we need housing. Yeah, we

[16:44] need housing. And there's people out there that will build build a $200,000

[16:47] house. They just need the land to build a house on. Right, Susan?

[16:52] » Hold on. Now there is a report and I don't want to get into it now because I

[16:55] don't have all the details but uh manufactured housing did appreciate more

[16:58] than uh single family residential housings and that was a report by

[17:02] realtor.com they put out just to show you and I'm in the trade so obviously I

[17:06] read these things that come across my feed but that that's a that's a fact

[17:10] that that's happened the past couple years. Um just just throwing it out

[17:14] there. >> Yeah. I had a brother-in-law that bought

[17:17] a mobile home for almost $200,000 and he just got it paid off. and turned

[17:23] around and he told my husband and I he went to go borrow money because he was

[17:27] going to buy a fancy car loan and guess what? It wasn't worth but $50,000.

[17:32] » Well, it's a the difference if you have it a fixed to the property or not. If

[17:35] it's used all the title, you know, you can surrender title on these things and

[17:38] they still become >> I'm just showing you that it does not

[17:40] appreciate. >> There's different ways to approach it.

[17:42] There is a fact. >> Next, uh so okay, with this development

[17:47] like you mentioned, we still want to do front porches. We still want to do the

[17:50] concrete masonry under uh underpinning. They'll have the dormers. Um we plan on

[17:55] landscaping and have upgraded exterior finishes kind of to make this

[17:59] aesthetically pleasing community. Benefits of Sandersville. We've kind of

[18:04] touched on a few of them already. expand affordable housing inventory, encourage

[18:08] responsible development, support local economic growth, provide attainable home

[18:12] home ownership opportunities, and the request requested variance supports

[18:16] affordability, practicality, and long-term community growth.

[18:22] Uh, we respectfully ask zoning to approve our 312 roof variance for the

[18:28] proposed manufactured home subdivision. Most important message is the requested

[18:32] variance helps keeps homes affordable without sacrificing appearance or

[18:36] neighborhood quality. And thank you for your time and consideration.

[18:41] » All right. Thank you. >> Thank you so much.

[18:45] » Thank you. >> All right. Carson, you want to give a

[18:50] little a little update? Main Street. Um last week we uh the mayor actually

[18:58] got notified that we have officially um been recognized as a main street

[19:02] community again for the 2026 year. So we are officially accredited community. Um

[19:08] DDA has lots of plans. We have our training um this Thursday um and um some

[19:14] hotel talk as well. So a lot going on um that we're getting excited about.

[19:18] » Did you get a chance to update my >> I saw your email. I didn't really know

[19:22] what that was about. >> Yeah. Yeah. You sent me um the May 29th

[19:27] um cleanup for my district and to change the date.

[19:31] » I thought you read that other one. >> I was going to call you later.

[19:34] » Yeah, but I need that this evening so I can go ahead and get

[19:39] » Thank y'all. >> Thank you.

[19:42] » 29th. No, they had it on

[19:52] everybody.

[19:59] Okay. I had in my CIP uh to uh do some

[20:05] pressure washing on our clear wells and kind of clean them out, get all the

[20:09] sediment and stuff out. And uh I know I kind of touched on uh USG, you know,

[20:15] they handle all our tank maintenance and have been for the past 15 or so years.

[20:19] Um, they had put together a quote for us. Uh, now they the the tanks, uh, I

[20:27] don't know if y'all been out and looked at any of them, but they they in dire

[20:32] need of of a good a good rehab, a good wash down, a good paint. U, we got some

[20:39] cracking going on. So, um, I reached out to Lee Smallwood

[20:45] here and got him to get us get us something together as far as a a

[20:49] maintenance plan for >> tanks. This is exterior.

[20:54] » Yeah, this is this will be uh interior and exterior.

[20:59] » So, I guess you're talking about the raised elevated tanks, hospital road,

[21:03] Kin Road, and the pedestphere tank. >> They're already doing those. These are

[21:06] the clear wells. Is that the treatment plant?

[21:09] So above ground >> like in furn.

[21:18] » That's right. >> But the thing about the whales, you

[21:21] know, you get sediment and that sediment builds up in the bottom of those tanks

[21:25] because they don't never get drained. >> Okay.

[21:27] » And uh and it starts causing water quality problems, you know, throughout

[21:32] the city, you know, with sand, silt, >> dirty water, you know, those type of

[21:37] problems. So, um, and it's it's really more than than we can do, you know,

[21:42] because when you go in those tanks, it's got to be disinfected and, you know,

[21:46] everything's got to be, you know, done right. So, and that's what they do.

[21:53] Attachment E. I don't see a a cost. I mean, it's only

[21:57] » So, it's um broken down if you'll see behind. I don't know if it's clear what

[22:02] I'm talking about. >> Four of them.

[22:05] » It's broken down on the very last page is the maintenance plan.

[22:10] » Eh, it's the very last page. >> And I will say um in the budget, we did

[22:17] not budget quite enough to start it this year. Of course, we can make amend the

[22:22] budget going forward. Um so that's why of course we put on the agenda because

[22:26] it would be a new contract and it's something that we did.

[22:29] We wouldn't be way over budget though. I don't think we just didn't budget quite

[22:34] enough. >> So the total is the 173 23

[22:36] » 27,000 for this year. >> See it's it's by year.

[22:40] » Oh, okay. >> Another page.

[22:43] » It's the very last page. I'm sorry on E. It's the very last

[22:47] » very last. >> Uhhuh.

[22:49] » So it would be a maintenance agreement annually. However, Kenan is reviewing

[22:54] the contract, so he's going to have to make some changes, but this would be

[22:57] annually. Correct. So we we don't have to stick to it if we don't want to. We

[23:02] can get out within so many days. Can't remember exactly. Contract said 90 days.

[23:07] » Yeah. So you're not committed. >> So you're saying annually pay this 20

[23:10] something thousand. Now though the raise tanks that they come in and they paint

[23:15] and they clean out. That's like a fiveyear deal, isn't it?

[23:18] » It's an annual service as well. >> Yeah.

[23:21] » But you're not doing any painting or anything like that on

[23:25] » Yeah. They keep up the paint just where there's chip in that thing.

[23:29] That's not the whole entire thing. >> We paint them on cycles. It's 8 to 10

[23:35] years usually on the next year cycle. Concrete it's a little less. It usually

[23:39] go 78 years. And that's why the the South's newer. That's why we push that.

[23:42] » Yeah. But I see I see y'all going up that and washing it, especially the one

[23:45] on Hospital Road. But I don't see the white paint going on. I guess that's

[23:49] when I went inside. >> We've done it. I think the hospital

[23:52] works about two years ago. I thought so.

[23:54] » Mhm. Was it this year >> the disparity um with your your peaks

[24:01] like in 27 and 29 it's 312 and 433 but appears that the work's the same.

[24:09] Huh. Well, it appears that there's something

[24:12] » we pushed to try to make defendant the budget. We pushed the work that South

[24:15] tank year three and so see if you see the first two years only $2,000 a year.

[24:20] That's just pay for the inspection cost. And then that's that's why they're not

[24:23] all the same at the bottom because you sort out when it goes up to 14,000

[24:28] when it goes out to year 2000. >> Oh, I

[24:33] » 2032 was 21. >> So 27 and 29, but it says visual

[24:37] inspection report and then 29 says visual inspection report 14 and two. So

[24:44] you must going to be do something in 29 different from 27. Mhm.

[24:48] » Basically in a nutshell though, you're paying you're just spreading out those

[24:50] upfront fees to get the upfront work completed to clean the trays outside the

[24:54] tank and to paint them. That's what you're paying for like over the first

[24:57] five years. And then when that comes down, then you're just paying the base

[25:00] fee of 20 8516 annually. So that next time we paint them like in year I showed

[25:05] it on >> 2032 when they get the three of them get

[25:09] painted on the outside. Yeah. >> You're still paying the same fee like

[25:11] the fee almost drops. >> So basically you just pay a maintenance

[25:14] fee as you go along. That way you don't have to pay the big whammo every six,

[25:18] seven, eight years, 10 years when you paint. Does

[25:20] » that make sense? >> Well,

[25:24] » I'm I'm I'm slow to go. >> No, I just I just don't understand that.

[25:30] Okay, you're going to do it for 27 this year,

[25:33] » right? >> You're going to jump up, which 31 isn't

[25:35] that much more, but jumping up to the 43 in the year three and then there's not

[25:41] that much difference. And when you say that you're taking some of the whammy

[25:46] out from the first initial, if you didn't take the whammy out, what would

[25:50] be the first initial painting? >> The reason it's different is if you look

[25:53] at 2000, the South Plank clear well tank, the first one, when that next year

[25:57] is painted in 2028 and that you're paying 14,000, you go up from 2 to 14,

[26:02] it goes up that $12,000, you start paying that 14,000 for five years. So

[26:07] it's about >> Hold on, give me a second on this one.

[26:10] But but what I was questioning the 29 looks like you went back to what you did

[26:14] in 27 >> at that south plant according to the

[26:20] green dot >> 2020 you're doing Yes sir you're doing

[26:23] we're doing inspection every year the green the green is visual inspection

[26:27] blue is wash out and yellow's >> paintwork but so the exterior renovation

[26:31] visual inspection report is 14131 >> so

[26:35] » and then the very next year it went back to a visual inspection report for 143.

[26:40] » You're not paying the 14131 is not the cost of just the exterior renovation in

[26:44] year three. The 2028 the the actual total cost of renovation is spread out

[26:49] in year 28. That 14131 29 30 31 32. So those five years you're spreading out

[26:55] the cost of that upfront renovation. So the upfront renovation is actually 5*

[26:59] 410,000. >> So you're allowing that to go. Oh

[27:03] » just a yearly maintenance plan. >> You're almost amateurizing.

[27:09] They'll come in and paint all the tanks, but you'll pay for it over a period of

[27:12] time. >> You have over five years.

[27:15] » It makes it easier for cities to get into the contr

[27:19] you're just paying the base fees, maintenance fees, so to speak, that's

[27:22] when like now with elevated tanks, that's when it's easier for the city

[27:25] because the elevated tanks would be you're talking $150,000 to maintain

[27:29] those. >> So, it's a concrete tank's easier, but

[27:32] it's still a cost. >> That's it.

[27:33] » So, the the 28 cost is far more than the 141. Yeah,

[27:38] » you're just allowing it to carry over in the subsequent two years.

[27:41] » It's the same as the year one 11580. >> We're just trying to get it under that

[27:45] year one budget on here the 20 whatever the budget was. We're trying to get it

[27:49] under that number. Why the fees are all kind of weird the first few years?

[27:53] » Okay. >> And why are all the firm crash the north

[27:56] plant and north plant 2? Why are those all visual inspections for the 2026? Cuz

[28:03] they've been like not looked at or something. Those are all extra

[28:07] renovations in 2026. The front crest actually we're painting cleaning the

[28:11] paint every one of those things. They never the two behind the the his office

[28:15] have never been painted at all. The front crest tank was painted I think

[28:19] when it was built has never been painted since then. And the south tank was

[28:21] painted when it was built. So that was good shape.

[28:24] » I'm trying to remember Mr. Robert was there when that was built

[28:26] » two years ago. >> They pushed it out in 2028.

[28:31] » Uhhuh. Right.

[28:33] » And this do you still have to have all inspections looking for the screens EPD

[28:37] Daniel the sanitary surveys they have to go through?

[28:39] » Right. >> It makes it easier on him just to be

[28:41] able to give him a report and inspections and see everything.

[28:43] » They say this was next year everything

[28:59] » I had something else. Uh item number number nine.

[29:10] » Sotion

[29:22] to award a bid of 27,000 160.

[29:36] Incorporated for the watershed protection plan um sampling. I know

[29:43] David kind of spoke on it here.

[29:48] » Yeah. Back in January, uh we knew it was coming down the line. Uh so we reached

[29:53] out to a company and u they was offering to come to Sandersville and do our uh

[30:00] sampling for us. >> How often do you have to do that?

[30:02] » This will be um >> this is a state requirement or federal?

[30:08] » Yeah, it's a federal >> and it's done. I'm hoping I'm hoping

[30:13] that that it'll kind of scale down, you know, once they get the results, you

[30:18] know, from this first test, then they'll send you a sample plan.

[30:21] » You know, the last time you was good on these, so let's let's do these.

[30:25] » What was the last time? >> This is this is a whole new

[30:33] discharge of the treatment. Well, it's kind it's kind of a umbrella under storm

[30:38] water. >> Yeah. You remember you said in January

[30:40] that it was coming down the >> pipeline

[30:53] » just to see how impacts it

[31:02] but there's a lot there's a lot to it there's a biological side and there's a

[31:06] chemical side of it right I mean they collect They collect uh things like fish

[31:11] and microorganisms and snails and and all that and keep them alive and uh and

[31:20] go in and analyze all

[31:24] » and Alex remind me I know turnup seed got this board but why didn't we get

[31:30] on this >> after talking to David um this is kind

[31:35] of the people that that they're do that David has got he's got other communities

[31:41] he's looking after and they're >> I would still get another bid cuz I mean

[31:45] you just get you get pigeon holed into one bid and I mean I don't care if it is

[31:49] turnup seed I think we still need to get at least two bits

[31:53] » probably would be bad >> a minimum that's right

[32:04] » are we working timeline here on this >> uh just by the

[32:10] You got

[32:18] to get two at least one. Thank you.

[32:29] » Good afternoon. How are you today? fun.

[32:34] » So, I've got um give you all an update real quick on uh building and zoning and

[32:41] code enforcement what we've had going on since January. Um

[32:46] we've issued out u 71 permits since um January 1st. 50 of those have been

[32:54] inspected and closed and approved. Uh 21 still open on um the code enforcement

[33:01] side. We have

[33:08] 25 dilapidated house unfit structures. Um

[33:13] open uh citations have been issued on some of those and more issu citations

[33:19] will be going out in uh the next week or two. So, we've been been kind of busy

[33:26] trying to keep everything get everything cleaned up.

[33:29] » And I can email y'all that report. I didn't make copies of that report. I'll

[33:32] email it to you. >> Um, so then I have on the agenda

[33:39] is attachment.

[33:43] » So, we're attached.

[33:50] » What number? B, which is the complaint 509 Street.

[33:56] » All right. So, Bridge Street, um, they're requesting a special exception

[34:01] for the 312 roof pitch. Um, and that they turned in a floor plan. It's a they

[34:10] meet every other um setback requirements. They're going to do the

[34:13] masonry foundation, the uh covered front porch. They met all of those. They're

[34:19] just asking for that. >> Have they purchased the Milwaukee yet?

[34:22] » No. >> Okay.

[34:24] » PNZ say >> PNZ did uh approve it.

[34:30] » They approved it with the 312. >> PNZ once had approved it pending the um

[34:38] » 412. 412.

[34:41] » PNC said 412 >> with the contingency that it was a 412.

[34:46] Look what PN said on >> what's the difference you and I talking

[34:52] what's the difference between 312 >> one inch and 12 ft money

[34:58] » the money uh it's going to be about the same that Mr. Bang was talking about

[35:02] it's going to be, you know, $25,000 roughly on the difference between the

[35:08] setup. Uh what was the height again? You just say that the difference

[35:12] » the difference in a 312 and a 412 is 1 in and 12 ft. So one inch per 12T. Oh, I

[35:18] understand. >> So a 28 foot wide would be two two 14t

[35:22] halves. It'll be an inch and a half per side between 312 and 412.

[35:27] Mobile Homes roofing doesn't it doesn't even have the same 412. I talked to

[35:33] engineers >> they their 312 pitch has a 2 by two that

[35:37] they break in half and they put it together on site with the metal clips. A

[35:42] standard home has to have a minimum if it's um trust engineered you can use a

[35:49] 412 because it's an engineered structured unit. But if not, you have to

[35:54] have a 2x6 that is built through. And again, I'll say the same thing. The

[36:00] modular home, mobile home has not been purchased at this time. These are the

[36:04] rules and regulations. I know you continuously bring us this same thing

[36:08] because they have the right >> but once planned zoning had denied it.

[36:13] Um why you're back, I don't know. >> Um but

[36:17] » because that's the rules that >> we we heard this one though.

[36:22] » No, ma'am. We are this one with the last one, didn't we?

[36:24] » This one, they weren't on the last. >> They wasn't on the last one, but a

[36:27] single summon on the same street anyway. But anyway, if they want to do it,

[36:32] that's fine. But what I pray that Ben is doing because we set this policy and

[36:39] they have the right true enough to come. But I sent you

[36:44] 10 mobile home manufacturers that have on the ground 412 pitch roofs and they

[36:51] fall within that price range that the young man that just left here they fall

[36:57] in that same price range. So um when they come to you since this is new when

[37:02] they come to you are you actually telling them that the policy is blas

[37:06] blas that you have to have 412 >> all the requirements.

[37:10] » Okay. And do you say >> package that

[37:13] » good? Do you also say I'm not endorsing any of these places, but they do have

[37:19] 412 on um on site because most of the time when you come to city council and

[37:25] you go to planning and zoning that they're pretty much sticking with the

[37:29] policy that has been set for is that conversation going forward.

[37:32] » I don't get involved in telling them where they can and can't go because I

[37:36] don't want that liability in my office. It's not about telling them where where

[37:40] they can't go. It's giving them options. >> It's going to be just like me giving

[37:43] them Mr. Jeffrey, Mr. Dennis, and Miss Deborah. These are the people that can

[37:47] do the work, but I'll leave out the rest of you. I don't feel that's something my

[37:51] office needs to do. >> These are people that have 412 pitch on

[37:56] lot, >> right?

[37:57] » So, they can go look anywhere they want, but that some people that come to you

[38:02] just need examples of places that they can go. So,

[38:07] That that just doesn't make sense to The the issue is on this one they took two

[38:12] lots and put them together made one lot meet all set back side all that stuff

[38:16] and you saying the difference about $20,000

[38:20] » roughly >> to me I understand what made me say it I

[38:24] understand about you know state 412 everywhere but I think that's the reason

[38:30] you call in that area some being torn down anything we put in

[38:37] there whe 312 or Hopefully going to be an improvement to the neighborhood

[38:46] $20,000. >> Yeah, cuz you believe in that $20,000

[38:49] price and that credit $20,000 price isn't right. So I could have told you it

[38:53] was 50,000. You would have believed that too. Huh?

[38:56] » That's not true.

[39:00] » Well, I still say that this council, we already denied enough of them. and we

[39:03] said that a policy we're here to set policy not make uh accommodations and

[39:09] this this policy has been set and that's what we need to go about

[39:14] » I'm just expressing my opinion >> I know it's going to be a voter too what

[39:18] » did um but you said PNZ approved it but we had 412

[39:24] » do the 412 >> so okay

[39:27] » that's that's how what P&Z moved forward

[39:32] » the next one I have is the one we tabled last time when I called in the

[39:35] annexation on North Anderson um by Mr. Daniels. Um they went in and asked asked

[39:43] to change their uh request from 10 lots down to um

[39:50] four lots. Yeah, four lots. Um they are still

[39:54] contiguous. They they've um went in and reserveyed

[40:00] um this uh Alex and I had a conversation with Miss Hartley this morning about it

[40:06] um and how to get water there. Uh it's going to be water and sewage is going to

[40:11] be pretty expensive. Um >> yeah. So, Alex, you want to explain

[40:15] about the two different ways for the four there. You know, they first said 10

[40:20] homes, so we thought we would go up Anderson Drive with water and sewer. So,

[40:24] we went ahead and got an estimate on that and the estimate for both put us

[40:29] approximately around 800,000. >> 800,000.

[40:34] » Yeah. But didn't we say bring everything in? They gonna bring it in.

[40:38] » Then there is another option. If they're only doing four homes, we would only

[40:43] have the cost of the taps because we could pull the water, not sewer, but we

[40:47] could pull the water down the ridge. >> Yeah. Their driveway uh comes out on

[40:51] Ridge Road there. Um, we could actually do four tasks for the mobile homes and

[40:57] » with just water alone. >> With just water alone.

[40:59] » Do they have 412 pitch? >> They will be doing 412 pitch

[41:03] » and I don't get into the housing part of it.

[41:06] » They initially asked for an exception on two of them. So they said sent those

[41:12] back and they're going to do all of them.

[41:14] » So So they're just just four lots and you can serve them with four tabs. it it

[41:20] will not grant access to water to the to the lots not in the on Anderson Drive

[41:27] that they're not bringing in. This only grant them water to the four that

[41:31] they're bringing. >> That's right.

[41:33] » And how much would that be? >> Just the cost of

[41:37] I'm with that. >> Well, we when people are coming in Hey,

[41:41] but that's true. But when people are wanting to come into the city limits and

[41:45] they just want to come in now, is this going to be rental property or is it

[41:47] going to be home ownership? land on. So why don't why is me not bringing in the

[41:53] whole the whole parcel? >> Because if you bringing in four lots,

[41:57] that's not helping out with tax base. >> Well, I was going to say if we're going

[42:00] to spend all that money for water, >> which I don't do sewage anyway, they're

[42:04] going to have to bring in the whole 10. But if you can cut down the cost on that

[42:08] and just add the four lots. What I didn't want to do is spend How much is

[42:12] just water to the entire 10 lots? Why it's still like $200?

[42:16] » Yeah. So if we were going to spend that, I'd say you got to bring in the whole

[42:19] 10. >> But now if you can eclipse that and

[42:24] sewage is just something that we have to deal with it down the road like we did

[42:28] at >> Walden Wood.

[42:30] » Did you get clarification from them then? Are they coming to the meeting to

[42:35] discuss their plans? >> And make sure too that um

[42:38] » I'll give the four lots if you can do it that way.

[42:41] » Piggybacking on you. So if so the the lots that you talking about that's going

[42:46] to be the four lots and it's just water only not sewers.

[42:50] » Okay. And that water the the taps that are going in cannot be hijacked.

[42:56] » That's what that was my question. >> But you see what I'm saying where

[43:00] somebody can turn around and they you have the four lots. See y'all got to be

[43:05] looking a little deeper than this. Y'all y'all stay on.

[43:08] » These will be separate household. It doesn't matter

[43:10] » if you put that meter on that property, right? And they have a plumber, which

[43:16] we've already gone through this process, that can tap in to one of those taps,

[43:21] even though it's not they're not supposed to. It's illegal. Can they get

[43:24] tap in and create a water uh service on the other lots that are in the back?

[43:31] That's my question. >> Yeah. I mean, that that could go with

[43:33] anybody. >> From what I'm understanding, you're just

[43:35] going to run it from Red Dra back. You're not going to run it down around

[43:38] the front of the >> car meters will be on the rightway

[43:42] » back on ridge >> on ridge road

[43:44] » and they got to run theirs back. Yeah. >> Yeah. And they got

[43:48] » driveway ement they own it. >> Yeah. It's only four meters.

[43:54] » Listen,000 for six more. If you annex in you won't

[43:59] ever pay for that. >> You may be required to provide folks if

[44:02] you annex in. I need to go back and look at the SDS. Like just

[44:06] » the only time I thought we were required was there was 100% annexation,

[44:10] » right? >> If you're annexing in the property,

[44:13] they're going to be in the city limits. I I would need to look at the SDS to see

[44:18] what it says. Do you because normally you have to provide water and sewer to

[44:24] your >> I think if this I'm surprised on that

[44:27] because we can

[44:33] » it would be in the ordinance. It' be in the service delivery.

[44:36] » I'm just wondering if that's forced annexation versus volunteer.

[44:40] » Well, let's take a little wait for legal >> and for them to come for they're not

[44:46] coming which they may come. I think I'm not you have

[44:52] all the table number six.

[44:58] » All right. You have anything?

[45:02] » No. >> So, the only other thing on the agenda

[45:05] that we didn't mention was the um second reason for the table of permitted uses

[45:11] that allowed the special exception for the Bitcoin data centers.

[45:15] » Okay. The language. Yes, we have to read it twice.

[45:18] » Yeah, we don't have any new ones coming in. We're just cleaning it up. So, if

[45:22] anything should happen.

[45:29] » Yeah, that's right.

[45:34] » That's right.

[45:40] » Well, I had something, but I'mma save it for the next council meeting. But we do

[45:45] have um May 29th we're having the uh district one cleanup and the street that

[45:52] has been selected is Hind Street. So we'll start at 9

[45:57] um 9 until what did I say 12? 9 until 12. Um we'll be at the at the Christine

[46:06] Harris Park. Now will the city be providing um Gatorade water for all the

[46:11] volunteers that come up? We provide Carson. What did you provide to the

[46:15] wife? >> They just got trash bags in the picker

[46:17] upper thing. >> Well, we need to give them some water

[46:20] cuz it's hot. It's only 90 degrees. Gatorade and water. Just get a cooler

[46:24] and bring it on up there.

[46:28] » Okay. >> Only thing I'm getting a lot of

[46:30] complaining about the um breakwood where the school zone start and stop

[46:37] » and um and it is going over the weekends. The only weekend cuz I went to

[46:41] church yesterday. That's the way I go by prayer. And those lights, those uh

[46:45] lights are still flashing, giving you what speeds on. This on a Sunday night.

[46:49] I went to church. I left home about 1:00. I came back from church around 4

[46:53] and they still they were still on. >> They're not writing tickets. So, they're

[46:57] just making you >> see people thinking that they are.

[46:59] That's what they're afraid of because they thinking that once they see that

[47:01] light, the flashing lights that will actually signify when the flashing

[47:05] lights on top of that sign, they'll be flashing when it's in.

[47:08] » It always gives you >> But it's always going to give you Even

[47:11] on the weekends all kind of like a hospital.

[47:14] » Okay. One thing we do too, we need to give them the time zone because a lot of

[47:19] people don't know the time zone comes on and go off. See, they they get confused

[47:22] with that especially Monday through Friday. They'll get very confused which

[47:26] start at 7 8 and end at 910. They'll get very confused especially when you

[47:30] » So that's on that same sign. I'll just take a picture of it and send it to you

[47:34] so you'll know what to tell them. The sign says,

[47:40] » so the sign does say the time that it's like say for instance 9 to 3 is when it

[47:44] being clocked. But even though it shows the it shows the speed, if they're going

[47:49] over excess speed, will it still clock a ticket?

[47:54] » Okay. So what you have is the school's own hours.

[47:56] » Yeah. >> Schools on hours at 25 miles.

[48:02] speed limit.

[48:11] » So it doesn't matter. It's still >> during the school hours,

[48:15] » right? >> Yes. Only during

[48:20] » only to the hours that are posted >> and I know I know like going toward that

[48:24] is no uh time there, but on the opposite side coming off from the fall line is a

[48:29] time. One side have the time on the other side don't have the time.

[48:33] » Okay. >> That's what I'm talking about. Yeah.

[48:36] Because like when you go toward the schoolhouse, there's nothing there. But

[48:40] you coming back from the school off in the off in the line got you got one. You

[48:47] only got let know coming off the ball line coming toward you.

[48:51] » I noticed that too. So that so in and with everything being said if you're

[48:57] going over the speed you're going to get a ticket whether the school is open or

[49:00] not right? No, no, only during those hours. You're all the speed will always

[49:06] flash no matter time of day. It runs 20. >> Well, I can understand what the chief

[49:09] said. >> Chief is only during those hours.

[49:12] » And you have to go 11% >> 110 after. But I'm saying after those

[49:17] hours, if you're going 11 over will you be?

[49:19] » No. No. >> Okay.

[49:20] » Only during weird hours 7:08 to 80.

[49:24] » Hey Chief. Chief, if you if it's if it's if you go over that that 11 miles an

[49:31] hour over when it's past that time, will you still get a ticket is my question.

[49:41] » Outside of the hours,

[49:49] you know, you called me, Dia called me about that.

[49:52] » I got ticketed at 11. something in the day. I understood that

[49:58] it was from the 701 to 801 and the 309 to 409. You see what I'm saying? So, are

[50:05] we only going to get a ticket during that time or you'll get it all day

[50:08] during that?

[50:13] » Yeah. So, that's what I didn't understand because I know what you had

[50:15] told me about when you got your ticket. So, I didn't know if it was active

[50:20] outside those hours. >> That's why I picked to do a hearing cuz

[50:23] I'm confused. That's why I brought up so many people still complaining about

[50:30] » again positively during those students on hours

[50:35] go over 11 miles or you will be >> so 11.

[50:41] » Let me double check outside of those hours so I can have

[50:45] » and and even on the weekend Saturday and Sunday you should get a ticket, right?

[50:48] So you got a ticket on a Saturday at 11:00 a.m.

[50:51] » No, it was >> it was school day

[50:53] » March 6 or something. Yes. >> So it was your school hours. So

[50:56] » but outside of those posted hours >> that was confusing.

[51:01] » So it was outside of 8 and 3. >> It was 11 to 3

[51:04] » 11 something in the day. >> So it

[51:10] was one hour in the morning. >> That's what I thought.

[51:13] » That's what it's posted. Yeah. >> Those two times I took pictures of

[51:16] everything. What needs to happen? Somebody needs to say this during the

[51:20] whole school day.

[51:24] » It does ticket you for one less than if you're the speed limit. If you go one

[51:30] mile over

[51:34] two and it was not

[51:39] » it doesn't matter how fast you going. If you're going over that speed limit, it's

[51:43] going to send you a ticket. And it's also I received one and I actually

[51:48] called I received one on a Saturday. >> See that was my question. Is it

[51:55] happening on the weekend as well? >> Yes, it is. It's happening on the

[51:58] weekend.

[52:17] No, I I'll make a mention. I was going to introduce my preacher time.

[52:39] » It needs to stay down. duration.

[53:09] » All right. about five I think we closed up. We go ahead and call our meeting as

[53:15] you know for the month of May, June and July 26th anniversary country

[53:23] council member bring in a local pastor to lead us in the pledge. So this week

[53:32] no June June and July. >> Yeah. I'll ask Jared Middleton if he'll

[53:39] come up here and Chris would you join us too. Uh for those that you don't if you

[53:46] don't know Jared Jared is the pastor of Sandersville Methodist Church. He's my

[53:51] pastor. I'm partial, but

[53:57] he might be on there. Anyway, I appreciate uh Jared coming

[54:02] here. If you don't know him, he's got a beautiful wife, Robin, and a son Caleb

[54:08] and a son Jesse. Rising 12th graders, rising freshman or

[54:13] » sophomore there. And Chris Walker, one of my own, our head of our public works,

[54:17] is is a proud veteran. And so he's going to lead us in our in our pledge

[54:21] following that. So we'll give it before you.

[54:23] » Let's pray. Heavenly Father, we just thank you uh first and foremost for uh

[54:27] today. Lord, we thank you for our community uh that you have given us to

[54:32] live in. What a wonderful community it is. Lord Jesus, we know um that it's not

[54:38] perfect. Um but Lord, it is it is certainly it is certainly cherished by

[54:43] so many other of us who live here and and those on the outside. Lord Jesus, we

[54:47] look at our community. We think about all of the servants that we have. Some

[54:50] of them are in this room. Uh L. We think about the teachers who are winding down

[54:54] their school years. We think about um pastors in our area, Lord. Uh those who

[54:59] work in u different ministries, food ministries, Lord, we think about those

[55:03] with First Love Kids and Boys and Girls Club. And Lord, so many servants, Lord,

[55:09] our our first responders. And Lord, tonight we think about um Lord, our

[55:13] council, our mayor, and our council. U what they give up to serve for our

[55:19] community, the sacrifices that they make. Lord, we're thankful for them. Uh

[55:22] we lift them in prayer as they make decisions uh that impact the lives of so

[55:27] many. Lord, give them wisdom and guidance and discernment uh as they uh

[55:31] lead us. It's your son's precious and holy name we pray. Amen.

[55:35] » Amen. Next flag to the flag of the United States of

[55:41] America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible

[55:48] with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you Jared.

[55:51] » I wanted to make one more comment too and I meant to say this before uh Jared

[55:56] prayed but we lost a beloved member of our community Freddy Blocker and I know

[56:01] you probably know Freddy. >> Yeah,

[56:03] » he was a great community leader. uh he's a friend of mine

[56:07] » and um just and a cherished employee of Howard Chap. He has been a staple out

[56:14] there for years. I don't know how many years Freddy worked out a very important

[56:19] part of but anyway think about keep Freddy's especially Kathy in your in

[56:25] your prayers.

[56:29] » Amen. Thank y'all for coming. Got a good group coming in. Be sure to sign it.

[56:34] sign in sheet so we get accurate record of who's here for our meeting tonight.

[56:39] At this time I have a motion please to approve the minutes from May 4th reading

[56:43] that's test motion by council member Brown second by

[56:47] council any question on those

[56:53] all in favor. All right. At this time, we will go into

[56:57] a public hearing. The first request is request 2026-03.

[57:06] That's to request a special exception to allow manufactured home to be placed in

[57:10] all three zones as multiple

[57:19] able to place a manufactured home on the property. The property is located 509

[57:23] street own by member. The one here to speak in favor of this

[57:30] request.

[57:35] One year to speak in opposition to this request.

[57:44] I

[57:52] » special going to table that information to the

[57:58] next meeting. That's the only

[58:04] regular session. Time to take a vote. Do I have a motion to approve and deny

[58:09] request 2020 request?

[58:14] And this was denied by >> I make a motion we accept TN.

[58:37] All right. Item number seven. Do I have a motion to adopt the second reading of

[58:42] ordinance 2026-01? That motion is to approve or deny

[58:47] ordinance 2026-01. That's an ordinance of the mayor of city

[58:52] council Georgia for the purpose of amending the table of permits and zoning

[58:56] or city that's

[59:02] commen

[59:15] All in favor?

[59:19] Item eight. I have a motion to execute the contract USD water tax.

[59:31] Motion by council member Dennis. Second question

[59:36] all in favor.

[59:40] All right. Have a motion to table item number.

[1:00:04] » Come on. >> Stuck in the line. Oh, okay.

[1:00:09] » Last time we were here, you were ask

[1:00:28] » these people that um you had signed this petition, they actively are using this

[1:00:34] golf. They come in from walks. They come from town to play. They a lot

[1:00:41] of them don't say anymore. They come home to play.

[1:00:51] I had a um the that park uh I think in my opinion we may have rash in that

[1:00:58] judgment and that was thought that would be put in hamper but I think that

[1:01:03] there's this much activity there. I mean that's it's a low cost maintenance for

[1:01:09] us. So I I don't have no problem with just that. But I would say periodically

[1:01:15] if you're having something there just let us know so that we can even go and

[1:01:21] see and make sure that you know there is some legitimate activity going on

[1:01:25] because that's the reason why the decision was made at that time. But I

[1:01:28] agree with uh Jeffrey, we can stay as >> and I don't mind if you have a friends

[1:01:33] of the park committee and y'all help us and say, "Hey, we f to do this, that,

[1:01:38] and the other." Or if you see something that needs to be done, let Candace know

[1:01:43] or somebody or Chris know, "Hey, we need this, need that." We'll help you.

[1:01:48] » We want We just want you. >> That's right.

[1:01:56] » Thank y'all for coming. Get the swinger.

[1:02:11] » All right, that concludes our business. We need to do an executive session for

[1:02:16] personnel. We won't be back few minutes as soon as we come out. I have a I have

[1:02:21] a statement I want to make concerning the incident that happened last Friday

[1:02:25] night early part of Saturday morning and chief has some comments

[1:02:30] and we we'll we'll address that just as soon as we come back in

[1:02:35] motion executive prov

[1:02:42] That

[1:22:21] Nothing.

[1:27:10] All right, I think we have we have everyone back. Appreciate y'all patience

[1:27:15] being here. I have a I have a statement.

[1:27:20] I have a statement that I'd like to read and then I'm going to ask Chief Kyler to

[1:27:26] make a few comments too. And after that, this is a open investigation. This will

[1:27:32] continue. It's not complete. But after Chief Kyle's statements, I will open it

[1:27:39] up. If there's one person that wants to speak in regards to the incident that

[1:27:44] happened last Friday night, I would take comment from one person. But other than

[1:27:49] that, we're not going to have any more public discussion regarding that issue.

[1:27:52] But if there's anything else that anybody wants to bring to us, we'd be

[1:27:55] glad to do that. But I will say that after the investigation is complete, now

[1:28:01] we'll be all the information, everything will be made public. We're very open and

[1:28:06] transparent. All of the officers are trained professionals. They went by

[1:28:10] policy. It may be at the next meeting or if the form makes a separate meeting,

[1:28:15] but everything will be brought out to the public to make everybody aware of

[1:28:19] exactly what happened and what the findings of the investigation were. At

[1:28:23] this time, I just would like to say the Sville Police Department understands the

[1:28:28] public's concern and interest regarding the incident that occurred this past

[1:28:31] weekend involving our department. We recognize the importance of transparency

[1:28:36] and accountability and we're committed to conducting a thorough and

[1:28:39] professional investigation. This time, Chief K, would you come up

[1:28:44] and make the comments that you have?

[1:28:51] And it's just like what the uh mayor has already stated. Um this incident is

[1:28:56] being investigated. Uh in any instance, we will have an

[1:29:01] incident like this. Um, we're going to use our policies to make sure that

[1:29:07] whatever our officers do is going to be consistent with our policies. Um, uh,

[1:29:13] Georgia law and that's just the way that we we

[1:29:16] investigate things. There have been significant discussion on social media,

[1:29:20] including Facebook. Uh, Sanville Police Department will not allow public

[1:29:26] commentary or online speculation to influence the integrity of the

[1:29:31] investigation. We hope to schedule a future date and

[1:29:35] time for public discussion once the investigation has progressed to a point

[1:29:40] where additional information can appropriately be shared. Until then, we

[1:29:44] will not be discussing the matter publicly this afternoon in order to

[1:29:48] protect the integrity of the ongoing investigation.

[1:29:51] As a general matter, I also want to remind all citizens that our officers

[1:29:56] are trained to serve, protect, and enforce the law professionally and

[1:30:00] responsibly during encounters with law enforcement, compliance with lawful

[1:30:05] commands, and avoiding resistance are essential to helping prevent situations

[1:30:10] from escalating and reducing the likelihood that force

[1:30:14] may be necessary. Sandersville Police Department remains committed to serving

[1:30:19] our community with professionalism, fairness, and integrity.

[1:30:25] Thank Thank you, Chief. At this time, is there any one person that would like to

[1:30:29] make a comment concerning the feelings of the community of this thing? At time,

[1:30:34] I will allow one person to speak.

[1:30:42] » Yes, ma'am. State your name for the record, please. Ma'am,

[1:30:45] » hey, I'm Melissa Leor.

[1:30:50] » On behalf of the New Yorker family, we are asking that this could be an

[1:30:54] external investigation of GBI because we feel like it'll be too

[1:30:59] much bias to keep this inhouse >> and then we would like to know the

[1:31:03] policies as far as use of force and how many tasers can be used at one time.

[1:31:09] » Also, your rights as a citizen. Can you ask why am I being detained?

[1:31:14] And once that says he says that he doesn't want to sign a ticket, why

[1:31:18] wasn't the ticket just mailed to him? We also want to know um the use of force

[1:31:25] policies on um not nonactive resistance because he wasn't resisting. If I'm

[1:31:32] telling you what did I do, you as the officer have the right to tell me what I

[1:31:37] did and then detain me. So that's why because of the public

[1:31:42] scrutiny, the Facebook, the Instagram, we asking for this to be an external

[1:31:48] investigation. We also pray for the Yorker family who

[1:31:52] is really moved by this. My sister used to be an employee here. So imagine the

[1:31:58] scrutiny that she's facing. We also ask that um those officers be

[1:32:05] placed on leave because the family feels like a target right now. Mhm.

[1:32:09] » So that they can so that we can identify with them and ourselves to make sure

[1:32:15] that this investigation remains fair. >> We don't want to try to hear it. Take it

[1:32:21] to some people that don't even know us and just stay fair to his because we

[1:32:26] coming with facts, not opinions, facts. >> Don't dagger and threaten the young lady

[1:32:32] with the video. Leave her alone. She was just a citizen.

[1:32:36] So imagine the treatment that she's getting.

[1:32:40] Please continue to pray for my family. AMEN.

[1:32:49] » My final comment on this, if all this was noted, we always have answers and

[1:32:54] like I said, when the investigation is complete, it will make be made public.

[1:32:59] » I got a question about >> No, man. We're not taking any question

[1:33:02] no more. This this issue is over with now. But if you have a question, anybody

[1:33:06] else have anything to bring before the council that's not related to this

[1:33:09] issue? >> It's just about the police department.

[1:33:12] The fear of this the whole sheriff county and fear. We fear getting pulled

[1:33:17] over now. This put a fear in our county. So we just want to know are when we

[1:33:22] gonna find out how quick we going to find out. Are these people suspended?

[1:33:26] That's when we get pulled up.

[1:33:28] » No decision will be made. >> We'll talk about it. We'll figure it

[1:33:33] out. You're not on the agenda, ma'am. You're

[1:33:37] not on the agenda. So, we going this gentleman speak. Yes, sir.

[1:33:42] » From Atlanta, Georgia. >> Uh, this this is one of this is a good

[1:33:46] time, B. So, I was robbed by force by Detective Mio

[1:33:51] and also the chief of police called 911 and told him.

[1:33:56] » So, I want to find So, so I want to find out this right here been investigating.

[1:34:01] I want to find out the update on my investigation.

[1:34:06] » Wait, the chief the chief the chief the chief blow me off. This time

[1:34:13] me off also I made application by the state of charge for return of my propert

[1:34:19] $6,000. The chief wrote me off. >> You're not you're not on the agenda.

[1:34:23] » You said anybody want anybody want to say something?

[1:34:25] » Not going to settle that here tonight. The city manager right now. See that's

[1:34:29] why some of you are going through the problem they going through because you

[1:34:32] want to off

[1:34:37] you want the constitution 250 years >> that ain't nothing.

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