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[28:23]
>> So really looking at those
[28:23]
and understanding how that
[28:23]
potentially restricts increase
[28:24]
compatibility issue or
[28:24]
generates or addresses
[28:25]
compatibility concerns in
[28:29]
neighborhoods. Excuse me is an
[28:30]
important piece. Sb 10 can
[28:30]
also be adopted without going
[28:31]
through the environmental
[28:34]
Review process or sequel.
[28:36]
Typically when we adopt or
[28:38]
rezoning exercises, we go
[28:38]
through technical various
[28:40]
technical analysis to
[28:41]
determine impacts to
[28:41]
infrastructure. And the
[28:42]
general plan is a really good
[28:44]
example of that. It looks at
[28:45]
when you basically increase
[28:48]
densities in certain areas.
[28:49]
What impact does that have to
[28:50]
the overall operation of the
[28:52]
city? So that's an area where
[28:54]
if the council elects to move
[28:55]
forward, we can determine what
[28:57]
technical analysis is needed
[29:00]
or not. Sb 10 provides that
[29:01]
opportunity. Community
[29:01]
engagement. Also a critical
[29:05]
piece to this generally with
[29:07]
more overreaching global city
[29:07]
initiatives. We do not do
[29:08]
targeted engagement because
[29:11]
it's very difficult missing.
[29:12]
Middle was a different
[29:13]
example. That was a very
[29:15]
targeted focus that had very
[29:15]
targeted engagement and that
[29:16]
focused and on those
[29:18]
communities and understanding
[29:20]
their concerns. But most of
[29:23]
our global planning
[29:24]
initiatives are more global
[29:24]
communication and feedback not
[29:26]
involved that the targeted
[29:28]
approach. And of course,
[29:30]
public hearings how to this
[29:31]
adopting go Fay inner section
[29:32]
of the Planning Commission and
[29:32]
the council ultimately voted
[29:34]
option. There's some
[29:36]
flexibility there. Typically
[29:38]
if we do go with an option
[29:40]
that involves more of a
[29:42]
defined approach and creating
[29:43]
restrictions and looking at
[29:44]
objective design standards.
[29:45]
That is typically us fairly
[29:46]
significant lift that is often
[29:48]
back stopped with consultants
[29:48]
missing. Middle is a prime
[29:50]
example. That was a very
[29:52]
heavy. We used consult an
[29:54]
exercise and that helps us
[29:55]
move forward. Quicker helps us
[29:57]
to the technical studies
[29:59]
needed. So depending on the
[30:00]
level of technical analysis
[30:01]
typically will fall back on on
[30:03]
trying to bring in consulting
[30:05]
services. Sb 10 is a bit
[30:05]
unique. There are a number of
[30:06]
jurisdictions in Sonoma County
[30:09]
talking about it and with our
[30:10]
peers. In other jurisdictions,
[30:11]
we've been talking about how
[30:15]
we potentially share resources
[30:17]
to do global reviews of
[30:17]
initiatives that are move
[30:19]
forward is not required. So
[30:20]
that MAY help offset the cost.
[30:23]
But we do in this particular
[30:23]
case envision consultants
[30:24]
between critical role in the
[30:29]
adoption. Next slide. Please.
[30:30]
So looking at the technical
[30:31]
reviews, as I mentioned, these
[30:33]
are not required. But as we go
[30:35]
through looking at rezoning
[30:36]
exercises, these are typically
[30:38]
what we look at as part of
[30:39]
that transportation traffic
[30:41]
flow parking are fairly
[30:43]
critical. We also look at
[30:46]
wastewater and storm water
[30:47]
really, obviously we have
[30:48]
issues with drainage in
[30:50]
certain areas where we do an
[30:50]
analysis associated
[30:53]
potentially regional impacts
[30:55]
and also how is sewer and
[30:57]
water provided to these
[30:58]
parcels? And what point do we
[30:58]
go over some of our calculated
[31:01]
capacity in these areas? We
[31:02]
don't anticipate that that
[31:03]
would potentially occur. But
[31:04]
if we don't have stops that
[31:05]
can occur, our general plan
[31:08]
actually looks at this. So any
[31:09]
sort of exercise, especially
[31:11]
if this is a broad deployment,
[31:13]
can potentially increase the
[31:13]
densities above and beyond
[31:15]
what the general plan
[31:17]
anticipated. Of course,
[31:19]
there's fire protection and
[31:20]
police services are critical
[31:21]
because the densities
[31:21]
increasing in areas where
[31:24]
they're traditionally single
[31:25]
families, so understanding
[31:26]
what direction the council
[31:28]
wants to move forward with
[31:29]
with technical studies, if the
[31:31]
desire is to move forward with
[31:32]
sb 10 is a critical piece in a
[31:33]
slide provides an example of
[31:33]
some of those studies that
[31:34]
we've historically began next
[31:39]
slide. Please. So really with
[31:43]
advanced planning a lot of the
[31:46]
work that we're doing right
[31:46]
now because any addition does
[31:47]
become a prioritization
[31:47]
conversation. The team is
[31:48]
generally 5 Ft ease full-time
[31:49]
employees focusing on a plan
[31:51]
to advance planning
[31:52]
initiatives. Most of that work
[31:55]
is in state mandated projects.
[31:58]
So MISS Nicholson mentioned,
[32:00]
it's fairly rare that we get
[32:02]
state legislation that instead
[32:05]
of a shough. A lot of what the
[32:06]
state kicks is a required
[32:06]
adoption for the cities and
[32:07]
the team works heavily
[32:10]
throughout the year on that.
[32:10]
Others also reporting
[32:11]
requirements for general plan
[32:12]
that we have to go through at
[32:13]
this time of year. So we start
[32:15]
prepping for that work. We
[32:18]
have a number of projects that
[32:19]
are funding related projects
[32:21]
and that could be our transit
[32:22]
or even communities. These are
[32:22]
projects where we're doing
[32:23]
planning work to bring more
[32:25]
funding into the city. So
[32:27]
those are very critical from
[32:29]
that standpoint, we have to
[32:30]
council goal projects right
[32:31]
now that our entertainment
[32:32]
zones in our South Center is a
[32:34]
specific plan. And then we
[32:35]
have a bucket of other
[32:37]
projects that I think it's
[32:38]
important to highlight. We
[32:39]
recently moved forward with
[32:41]
overhaul of our use permit
[32:43]
process. There's a lot of
[32:44]
efficiency measures we try to
[32:45]
put in our planning documents
[32:47]
that better serve development
[32:49]
projects and we have a number
[32:50]
of those that are really on
[32:51]
the shelf that we move out and
[32:53]
meter out when we can. So
[32:55]
typically what we see right
[32:57]
now is a break where we can
[32:58]
reevaluate priorities without
[32:59]
affecting what we have in the
[33:00]
queue right now. Likely in
[33:04]
summer of 2027. If we rely
[33:06]
fully on staff to move this
[33:08]
forward, it becomes a very
[33:09]
heavy lift. It affects more of
[33:11]
the prioritization when
[33:12]
consultants are provided to
[33:13]
really back stop it. It helps
[33:15]
move this forward. But that's
[33:16]
where really right now without
[33:18]
affecting the main to council
[33:19]
goal projects would which
[33:20]
would be the ones in jeopardy
[33:22]
if this was moved in front
[33:23]
priority wise. We are looking
[33:24]
at that break of summer of
[33:27]
2027 next slide. Please. It's
[33:29]
really the next 2 slides are
[33:29]
focusing on that. The input
[33:31]
that staff is attempting to
[33:34]
receive today. So really the
[33:36]
options before the Council
[33:37]
with sb 10 is that we can
[33:40]
avoid adopting sb 10. We can
[33:43]
adopt sb 10 as worded or we
[33:45]
could adopt sb 10 with a more
[33:47]
targeted approach that places
[33:50]
parameters around a variety of
[33:51]
different focus points that
[33:52]
we've discussed in the slide
[33:53]
in the next slide will will
[33:53]
dive into that more
[33:54]
particularly next slide.
[33:58]
Please. So really, if it is
[33:58]
the council's desire to move
[34:01]
forward with a targeted
[34:01]
approach and we're happy to
[34:03]
bring the slide up to move the
[34:04]
conversation forward. These
[34:05]
are really the areas where it
[34:08]
helps to get feedback.
[34:08]
Obviously, we have a maximum
[34:11]
units under sb 10 of 10, but
[34:13]
that unit count can be reduced
[34:16]
down to do less than that
[34:18]
parcel size, specifically
[34:20]
minimum lot size. If there is
[34:22]
a desire to focus on larger
[34:23]
parcels where they have more
[34:25]
separation produces the
[34:26]
density, that is something the
[34:30]
council can provide input on.
[34:32]
There are also environmental
[34:33]
hazard considerations. So, for
[34:33]
example, in this particular
[34:35]
case, the high fire severity
[34:37]
zone is ruled out. But there
[34:38]
are other hazards on such as
[34:39]
flooding and fire where the
[34:40]
council can make a decision to
[34:43]
exclude those zones. There's
[34:44]
also infrastructure
[34:45]
conversation. So areas where
[34:46]
the infrastructure does exist,
[34:47]
where it's closer to
[34:49]
transportation. That is an
[34:50]
avenue where we would want to
[34:51]
know if there is a desire to
[34:53]
restrict based on that. And
[34:54]
that goes into really party
[34:55]
locations to I think if we're
[34:56]
talking about closer to
[34:59]
transit, where it's a more
[35:00]
walkable community that would
[35:02]
really help us, you know, move
[35:05]
this forward neighborhood
[35:05]
context is always one of the
[35:06]
challenges, especially from a
[35:08]
missing middle standpoint. I
[35:10]
do think with missing middle
[35:10]
there, there are a lot of
[35:12]
neighborhoods that function
[35:15]
incredibly well with mixed use
[35:15]
waste with smaller types of
[35:17]
duplexes triplex is
[35:18]
incorporating this unit type
[35:20]
from a compatibility
[35:21]
standpoint, design standards
[35:23]
become critical to making that
[35:26]
work. But understanding what
[35:27]
that neighborhood context but
[35:27]
should look like ultimately
[35:28]
getting into the design
[35:31]
standards would be helpful. So
[35:32]
really, we're looking for
[35:34]
moving forward or not. And for
[35:35]
moving forward. Are we moving
[35:37]
forward with sb 10 as worded
[35:39]
or if there's a desire to be
[35:40]
more targeted? We would love
[35:41]
to receive feedback on those
[35:41]
areas. We should focus on for
[35:44]
those targets. And with that
[35:47]
next slide, please. We will do
[35:47]
open it up to any questions.
[35:50]
The council MAY Excellent.
[35:50]
Thank you. All right. Look at
[35:59]
the council. Questions. Let's
[36:00]
on why either questions.
[36:01]
Questions preferred when if
[36:03]
you wish.
[36:03]
>> So MISTER Donovan, her hand
[36:08]
up first.
[36:09]
>> Thank you, Mayor. Thanks
[36:11]
for the presentation. I
[36:11]
appreciate and meeting with
[36:13]
you ahead of time to
[36:14]
understand this little bit
[36:16]
more in deaths because have a
[36:17]
lot of s p's that allow us to
[36:18]
build housing. And we've done
[36:21]
a lot of work based on what
[36:23]
state is requiring of but also
[36:24]
what we've done and I think in
[36:25]
our general plan and and all
[36:27]
the other components that
[36:28]
addressed, one of the
[36:28]
questions I have and I think
[36:32]
you just a little bit gay was
[36:33]
around the amount of work that
[36:37]
our staff currently has and
[36:38]
what something like this would
[36:40]
do for what we're currently
[36:42]
working on and and slowing up
[36:43]
projects. Can you give me a
[36:44]
little bit more insight on how
[36:48]
that could impact us?
[36:50]
>> Yes, absolutely. Obviously
[36:51]
the state mandated projects
[36:52]
are critical because they're
[36:53]
usually mandated under a
[36:55]
specific timeline. So those
[36:56]
are very, very difficult for
[36:57]
us to maneuver. And there's a
[37:02]
significant amount currently
[37:05]
in the queue. We talk about
[37:06]
the council directed projects
[37:06]
the South Center is a specific
[37:06]
plan and the entertainment
[37:07]
zones by moving those to the
[37:10]
side to allow resources to
[37:11]
work on sb 10 is a priority.
[37:12]
It would affect the timelines
[37:15]
associated with oats. The
[37:18]
other option is that once we
[37:20]
get through this, obviously as
[37:21]
we get through goal setting
[37:24]
and discussions associated
[37:25]
with budget, understanding how
[37:26]
we're going to get close to
[37:27]
completing those projects
[37:28]
towards the end of the fiscal
[37:29]
year. We do receive a break
[37:33]
around the summer and some of
[37:35]
the projects that we typically
[37:35]
tried to figured feel that
[37:36]
capacity with our there's been
[37:38]
discussions about beekeeping
[37:39]
ordinances we have seen year
[37:41]
over land a holding pattern.
[37:41]
So those are some of the
[37:43]
projects that are on the
[37:45]
shelf. We also have a project
[37:45]
which is a comprehensive
[37:48]
overhaul of our zoning code,
[37:49]
which is very important from
[37:49]
an efficiency standpoint and
[37:51]
brings our zoning code up to
[37:53]
date. So the easy answer is we
[37:56]
do have a bit of a break. We
[37:58]
would have to explore and
[37:59]
understand what level of
[38:00]
capacity exists if we take
[38:01]
advantage of this in the break
[38:02]
in that break would be in
[38:05]
summer of 2027. So if there is
[38:06]
a desire and that is the
[38:06]
timeline to move forward, we
[38:09]
can put this into the work
[38:10]
plan. We if we receive
[38:12]
feedback that there's
[38:13]
significant technical studies
[38:16]
and desire to really restrict
[38:17]
sb 10, then there would likely
[38:20]
be an effort to understand the
[38:20]
consulting costs, which
[38:21]
ultimately allow us to do
[38:22]
technical studies that we
[38:22]
can't do in-house, but also
[38:25]
speed up the timeline. But I
[38:26]
think to simply answer your
[38:27]
question because it's a
[38:29]
council directive, we would
[38:30]
normally not want to basically
[38:31]
put the South San versus Plan,
[38:32]
our entertainment zones on a
[38:34]
different track or slow them.
[38:35]
But we do naturally end up
[38:36]
with a break around summer as
[38:37]
we get through the natural
[38:41]
cycle of state legislation.
[38:42]
>> You tell me some of the
[38:45]
other unintended consequences
[38:46]
we've had where we're skipping
[38:51]
through s-class or reports in
[38:52]
communities. I think
[38:53]
specifically around is that sb
[38:56]
35 and maybe even sb 9 where
[38:58]
they're able to go in and make
[39:00]
these adjustments, housing at
[39:01]
affordable housing. But
[39:01]
without doing the
[39:04]
environmental impacts or how
[39:06]
it's impacting traffic in
[39:07]
neighborhoods or areas, could
[39:07]
you give me a little bit
[39:11]
background? How sb 10, what
[39:12]
impact us for for those types
[39:15]
of things?
[39:16]
>> Yes, absolutely I'll start
[39:19]
and handed over to the team.
[39:20]
Typically there's a few
[39:22]
different things we focus on
[39:24]
with state legislation where
[39:25]
it passes on a in estero
[39:26]
process that would have
[39:29]
normally gone through an
[39:30]
environmental review. What's
[39:31]
very important is our general
[39:33]
plan really focuses on what
[39:34]
the overall growth of the city
[39:37]
looks like that is bringing in
[39:39]
the appropriate infrastructure
[39:39]
analysis and understanding how
[39:41]
the city functions in a growth
[39:43]
mode when you can exceed to be
[39:45]
on the general plan it
[39:47]
presents challenges. One of
[39:48]
the pieces that we really
[39:49]
strongly focus on and is part
[39:52]
of one of our efficiency
[39:52]
processes that are moving
[39:54]
forward is objective design
[39:56]
standards. So what the state
[39:57]
allows the city to do is
[39:58]
implement objective design
[39:59]
standards in most situations
[40:01]
where by right housing is
[40:03]
allowed. And those objective
[40:04]
design standards have to be
[40:04]
published. They have to be his
[40:07]
Mormon. Review. So they
[40:08]
typically help with more
[40:09]
localized issues such as
[40:11]
design, but they can focus on
[40:13]
other pieces where it becomes
[40:14]
problematic is it doesn't
[40:15]
necessarily allow us to do a
[40:18]
more regional study approach
[40:19]
and then hold the development
[40:20]
and make them responsible for
[40:22]
that. So that's typically what
[40:24]
the technical studies do. They
[40:25]
anticipate growth and then
[40:26]
they understand how the
[40:28]
infrastructure stays ahead of
[40:30]
that growth. And it can also
[40:31]
align certain infrastructure
[40:32]
pieces that the developers
[40:33]
required to do and what the
[40:34]
city is required to do for
[40:36]
more of the regional approach.
[40:37]
So it really takes more
[40:39]
holistic study out of it. But
[40:40]
there are other ways if when
[40:42]
you're dealing with smaller
[40:43]
units, they typically don't
[40:45]
have the same impact as larger
[40:46]
Objective design chance
[40:47]
standards can sometimes feel
[40:47]
the need to understand how
[40:50]
those are processed. So we get
[40:52]
a lot of questions about are
[40:52]
we going to have enough water
[40:55]
if we continue to grow?
[40:57]
>> And if I'm looking at this
[41:02]
statistic 72% of the houses
[41:02]
are lots Santa Rosa would be
[41:05]
able if we did a blanket, we
[41:08]
could potentially be impacted.
[41:11]
Have we look to water to see
[41:12]
the capacity of where we would
[41:13]
be at or is there any feedback
[41:17]
that we get from water? I look
[41:19]
at it also has like public
[41:21]
safety and, you know, being
[41:22]
able to respond to that type
[41:26]
of growth. This is it feels so
[41:27]
astronomical. This a 72% of
[41:28]
your but lots could actually
[41:31]
qualify for this for that.
[41:34]
Cross the city of Santa Rosa.
[41:36]
So those seem like pretty big
[41:38]
things we should know about
[41:38]
why we're having the
[41:44]
discussion.
[41:47]
>> Thanks for the question.
[41:49]
Councilmember. We have had
[41:49]
some high level conversations
[41:50]
with our colleagues in other
[41:54]
departments. And there can be
[41:55]
some technical analysis
[41:57]
provided by staff as it
[41:58]
relates to water supply and
[41:59]
the provision of various
[42:04]
services. That will depend on
[42:06]
the council chooses to refine
[42:06]
the properties that are
[42:07]
included or wants to do them
[42:10]
are brought up prod approach
[42:11]
that information I would
[42:15]
certainly be provided. As we
[42:16]
move forward with any
[42:17]
implementation effort
[42:25]
directed. I know, there's a
[42:29]
lot that goes into and I can
[42:29]
say my comments about what I
[42:31]
want to do after that. I think
[42:33]
that's primarily just for one
[42:37]
might point of clarification.
[42:38]
Our current lot size and and
[42:42]
what we have in place. S p 10
[42:45]
would allow for 10 units to be
[42:47]
there. You're saying on slide
[42:47]
earlier that ours would
[42:51]
actually only allow for 4 what
[42:52]
supersedes each other. So if
[42:54]
we have our current policies
[42:56]
in place and we work to do
[42:58]
this blanket, we still be
[42:59]
subject to our other process
[43:03]
or with this? Then go over and
[43:04]
say know your old process is
[43:06]
out today and now you get 10
[43:07]
units on that lot. I'm I'm
[43:10]
sorry. I'm not clear on on
[43:11]
that. Or am I even being clear
[43:12]
with my question? You can say
[43:20]
now?
[43:21]
>> Are you referencing the
[43:23]
slide that shows what state
[43:23]
law allows with accessory
[43:28]
dwelling units and
[43:33]
>> so you like Navy Use and 9.
[43:34]
It was around development
[43:35]
standards and abilities. So
[43:39]
when I look at slide, 12 star
[43:41]
halves, its the front setback.
[43:44]
We're back and all of those
[43:46]
current rules. But if I go to
[43:48]
previous slides, it shows how
[43:49]
the neighborhood to a change
[43:50]
based on what's allowed in sb
[43:53]
10. My question is to our
[43:54]
current standards and
[43:56]
feasibility with our current
[43:57]
setbacks with that shrank
[44:01]
down. What sb 10 is allowing
[44:03]
people to do to meet the
[44:05]
standards or if we adopt sb
[44:07]
10, would it then change what
[44:08]
we currently have in place to
[44:14]
be able to have 10? Thank you
[44:15]
for clarifying. So this
[44:19]
graphic here shows.
[44:20]
>> How a site is constrained.
[44:21]
So if you're only developing
[44:22]
in that kind of green hatched
[44:24]
area, you MAY not be able to
[44:26]
get up to those 10 units based
[44:27]
on the standards that
[44:29]
currently apply across much of
[44:29]
Santa Rosa's residential
[44:33]
parcels. So if the council,
[44:34]
would like to move forward
[44:39]
with sb 10. We would want
[44:40]
simultaneously established
[44:43]
development standards that.
[44:44]
Make it more feasible to get
[44:47]
more units than just MAY be
[44:47]
the 4 that are shown here on
[44:50]
this slide. Any rezoning would
[44:56]
not mandate that 10 units were
[44:57]
developed. It would just be a
[44:58]
new maximum on a property that
[45:01]
otherwise MAY only be allowed
[45:05]
to have one primary unit or 2
[45:06]
primary units under the city's
[45:07]
general plan and state law.
[45:08]
Does that clarify the
[45:11]
question? Gabe, do you see my
[45:15]
face? And to be able to help
[45:18]
with I yeah.
[45:20]
>> So there's really sort of 3
[45:22]
scenarios here. So what sb 10
[45:26]
does if it is adopted with no
[45:26]
restrictions? Is it just
[45:28]
simply allows 10 units to be
[45:30]
installed on a lot under
[45:32]
certain circumstances. And
[45:34]
then what St sb 10 does is it
[45:35]
gives the local jurisdiction
[45:37]
the ability to apply objective
[45:38]
design standards. So and it's
[45:39]
really the same in a
[45:40]
residential zoning district.
[45:42]
You can build a single-family,
[45:43]
but there are certain
[45:45]
requirements, setbacks in code
[45:45]
that restrict the height and
[45:47]
where that single-family is
[45:49]
placed. So what we're seeing
[45:51]
is if the council elected to
[45:54]
adopt sb 10 with no parameters
[45:55]
that developments going
[45:56]
through an sb 10 proposal
[45:57]
would still run into a problem
[45:58]
with our site requirements
[46:00]
that are designed for a single
[46:01]
family. So they would
[46:03]
naturally reduce the amount of
[46:04]
development where developer
[46:06]
likely could not achieve 10
[46:08]
units. So at a bare minimum to
[46:10]
achieve 10 units, we would
[46:11]
likely as part of a global
[46:12]
adoptions still need to amend
[46:13]
our objective design standards
[46:17]
to give more flexibility. So
[46:19]
basically it's it's difficult
[46:20]
to understand. Ultimately the
[46:22]
design is based on the code
[46:23]
and specific minister
[46:24]
requirements and then the
[46:25]
right. Is it a higher level
[46:28]
and the zoning now where it's
[46:29]
further complicated is that
[46:31]
the state has a number of
[46:31]
other provisions that will
[46:32]
apply. So these allowances
[46:36]
start stacking on each other.
[46:39]
So the example, Ms Nicholson
[46:40]
provided of the subdivision
[46:42]
with the home and to use you
[46:44]
could do that is the property
[46:45]
owner. Few meet that criteria
[46:45]
because that's an allowable
[46:48]
right by the state. So
[46:49]
essentially what happens is
[46:51]
all the start stacking is
[46:53]
availability and Rick walk and
[46:54]
allowances so somebody can
[46:56]
build a single-family home.
[46:58]
They can do. Another state
[46:59]
allowed subdivision with a use
[47:00]
or they could do sb 10. They
[47:02]
all become options. But the
[47:03]
challenge with sb 10 is
[47:04]
because we don't have
[47:05]
objective design standards
[47:07]
that address 10 units on a lot
[47:09]
that we think that going
[47:11]
through that process without
[47:12]
affecting those objective
[47:13]
design standards, would
[47:13]
prohibit the development that
[47:16]
we constrain it.
[47:17]
>> And then the last question
[47:19]
I have is on your targeted
[47:20]
implementation has stopped
[47:21]
taking a look at this and the
[47:24]
maps that were created to give
[47:25]
us some feedback on. You do
[47:27]
see maybe a few targeted areas
[47:28]
that has beaten could be
[47:31]
helpful for growth and housing
[47:32]
or have you even begin to look
[47:37]
at some of that?
[47:38]
>> I let MISS Nicholson chime
[47:42]
in on the analysis that we did
[47:46]
yes, as I mentioned early from
[47:49]
when the economic development
[47:49]
slide that there there is a
[47:49]
benefit to sb 10 if the
[47:50]
desirous to allow 10 units
[47:51]
because it creates a
[47:52]
streamlined path and it
[47:53]
creates it in an area where it
[47:54]
is very difficult to do in
[47:56]
Phil. And if you really look
[47:57]
at most jurisdictions in
[47:59]
Sonoma County, most of the
[48:00]
growth occurred through
[48:00]
single-family residential
[48:02]
development. So there's a
[48:03]
significant amount. And that
[48:05]
is why it applies to so many
[48:07]
parcels, but very similar to
[48:08]
the missing middle. That was a
[48:10]
very strategic approach that
[48:12]
looked at the appropriate
[48:12]
place. From a compatibility
[48:17]
standpoint. You standpoint so
[48:18]
that analysis makes sense to
[48:19]
really expand the missing
[48:20]
middle conversation to
[48:23]
essentially become sb 10. But
[48:25]
that opportunity to look at
[48:26]
than a very global that close
[48:28]
to transit, close to
[48:30]
resources. That was a very
[48:32]
surgical and specific approach
[48:33]
that went through the
[48:34]
consultant exercise to
[48:34]
understand compatibility and
[48:36]
how it fits in with other
[48:38]
areas. So we have targeted
[48:40]
areas where it doesn't make
[48:41]
sense to increase density. And
[48:41]
that's usually around where
[48:44]
that infrastructure exists.
[48:45]
But when you look at really
[48:46]
the missing middle level of
[48:47]
exercise, really, that's the
[48:47]
next phase of this process
[48:48]
where we would go through
[48:52]
based on some parameters and
[48:53]
determined it makes sense in
[48:53]
these areas are how do we want
[48:54]
to move forward with a more
[48:57]
formal policy?
[48:58]
>> I know you also mentioned
[48:59]
something and it was briefly
[49:01]
brought up in your response
[49:04]
now the increased parcel tax
[49:05]
and what the city gets, which
[49:06]
to my understanding is very,
[49:07]
very tiny because that
[49:11]
primarily goes to the county
[49:11]
and economic impact on
[49:14]
bringing more people. And but
[49:16]
I think that's something I've
[49:17]
asked and requested a few
[49:19]
times before because it's hard
[49:19]
for me to wrap my head around
[49:20]
is what is that offset? You
[49:24]
know, when we bring more
[49:25]
people in more housing and how
[49:26]
what is the economic impact
[49:27]
that we're getting in? Can we
[49:28]
get some dollars and cents
[49:31]
kind of tied to that? And I
[49:32]
think that's just a further
[49:32]
discussion. Not today under
[49:35]
this specific bill, but it's
[49:36]
something that goes through my
[49:38]
mind all the time is how much
[49:39]
paying in infrastructure.
[49:40]
Public service, our parks and
[49:41]
roads and streets. And then
[49:44]
what do we get out of it by
[49:44]
doing things like this and do
[49:47]
we have the capacity to I
[49:47]
think that's it for my
[49:49]
questions. Thanks. Thank you,
[49:54]
Willis. Thank you,
[49:55]
>> Thank you for the
[49:56]
presentation. Thank you for
[49:59]
going through all of this with
[50:02]
this couple of I just have a
[50:05]
few questions. The first one
[50:11]
is about Do we? Whether do it
[50:12]
ask you did come back with a
[50:15]
targeted implementation or to
[50:16]
do that. Sb 10. Is there a
[50:19]
deadline? Because I don't know
[50:20]
if I so I didn't see it in
[50:21]
staff reporter. Maybe I missed
[50:26]
it. Thanks for the question.
[50:28]
And I realize I didn't speak
[50:30]
to that as part of the
[50:32]
presentation. There is a
[50:35]
sunset date of JANUARY. First
[50:37]
2029. So what that means is
[50:39]
the city would have to adopt
[50:40]
any rezoning and the rezoning
[50:43]
would need to be in effect
[50:43]
prior to JANUARY. So that
[50:47]
would need to occur fall of at
[50:48]
the latest to take advantage
[50:56]
of this bill. Ok, thank you.
[51:01]
That helps a And in regard to.
[51:05]
Being able to bypass secret is
[51:06]
the and this is just for my
[51:07]
clarification is the technical
[51:10]
analysis. Do we have a choice
[51:10]
about doing that or not? And
[51:12]
is that in place of
[51:19]
environmental review. As Amy
[51:20]
mentioned, seek one else is
[51:23]
not required for adoption of
[51:24]
an ordinance. Any project that
[51:26]
would come in under that
[51:27]
ordinance would be subject to
[51:29]
environmental review. But
[51:31]
ordinance itself, we wouldn't
[51:33]
in this technical studies
[51:33]
typically come through that
[51:37]
sheikh Alice U.S.. So the city
[51:39]
is not required to do that.
[51:40]
Technical analysis. It's
[51:44]
something that staff Wood
[51:45]
asked the council to consider
[51:47]
as if we want to move forward
[51:49]
with this having that be a
[51:50]
part of the review so that
[51:52]
when we bring this back foot.
[51:55]
>> Forward for your
[51:57]
consideration. You would have
[51:57]
all of the information that
[51:58]
you would need to make an
[52:00]
informed decision so that we
[52:00]
would understand what the
[52:04]
impacts are too. You know, our
[52:05]
roads, our water supply, those
[52:06]
things that we would normally
[52:09]
look at. This is part of this,
[52:11]
you water supply assessment
[52:12]
because was not required.
[52:13]
Water supply assessment would
[52:16]
not be required. But that is
[52:17]
something that typically would
[52:19]
look at a particular we're
[52:20]
talking about adding a density
[52:21]
beyond what the general plan
[52:26]
currently allows. Just had one
[52:27]
more question around. I think
[52:30]
it was slide.
[52:30]
>> 6.
[52:35]
>> On The things that I guess
[52:37]
we would do in terms planning
[52:37]
and considerations.
[52:40]
>> Is is this things that are
[52:44]
listed the neighborhood.
[52:45]
>> Infrastructure,
[52:45]
environmental We just talked
[52:47]
about transit.
[52:49]
>> Access and walkability. All
[52:51]
those things. We would still
[52:52]
go through that process for
[52:54]
every project or
[53:03]
>> is that choice?
[53:09]
>> These are not required
[53:21]
under the bill, but they are.
[53:21]
>> Are considerations that are
[53:21]
typical of any sort of large
[53:22]
policy effort like this. And
[53:22]
when we think about the
[53:22]
general plan how it assigns
[53:22]
densities and in 10 cities
[53:23]
across the city, reviewing
[53:24]
those changes through the lens
[53:28]
that are on the slide. So the
[53:29]
environmental impacts that
[53:30]
would typically be done with
[53:31]
see quiet could still be done
[53:32]
as part of this process,
[53:35]
although not state mandated.
[53:37]
But we would also want to look
[53:40]
at all of the other plans that
[53:42]
are in place in the city like
[53:43]
our general plan and how this
[53:45]
aligns with the growth plan
[53:48]
there. We want to consider how
[53:49]
any housing policy is
[53:50]
affirmatively furthering fair
[53:52]
housing. So looking at it
[53:55]
being applied in MAY be
[53:56]
geographically diverse parts
[53:58]
of the city. So these would
[54:02]
all be suggestions for the
[54:04]
council to provide feedback on
[54:05]
and sort of best practices.
[54:06]
When we look at policy efforts
[54:10]
like this. Ok, thank you.
[54:11]
That's all I have for now.
[54:15]
Thank you, MR. Alvarez.
[54:16]
>> Only my question's been
[54:22]
answered.
[54:23]
>> that a combination of
[54:29]
questions in feedback. The one
[54:30]
question I have that hasn't
[54:31]
addressed is how difficult it
[54:34]
would be to have.
[54:38]
>> This applied to areas that
[54:38]
avoid the flood, put the maps
[54:41]
which will come out from other
[54:44]
jurisdictions in the future.
[54:45]
And can we adapt this? So if
[54:46]
we're going to do this over
[54:47]
the summer where we have the
[54:48]
flood maps at that point so
[54:51]
that we got further dent of
[54:51]
fighting areas which MAY
[54:57]
flood.
[54:58]
>> Yes, happy to help with
[55:00]
that question. Typically the
[55:01]
floodplain requirements as
[55:04]
they relate to new buildings
[55:05]
are construction apply to
[55:06]
anything that pose a building
[55:07]
permit after the adoption of
[55:09]
that. And we have a number of
[55:10]
regulations that affect
[55:13]
development that occurs in a
[55:15]
flood plain. And typically
[55:17]
what that requires is that the
[55:19]
finished floor or the final
[55:21]
floor that people live on is
[55:22]
raised above the flood
[55:24]
elevation or the anticipated
[55:25]
fight elevation. And there's
[55:27]
also measures put in place
[55:29]
with the structure to ensure
[55:30]
that water is not displaced to
[55:31]
make the flooding were
[55:33]
somewhere else. So those
[55:34]
requirements exist in any sb
[55:35]
10 units would have to go
[55:35]
through same requirements at
[55:38]
building permit.
[55:40]
>> right. I guess what I'm
[55:40]
getting at is that I think we
[55:41]
have flood maps that are
[55:46]
coming and so I'd the only,
[55:46]
frankly, the only trepidation
[55:49]
I have around this is
[55:50]
permitting something now that
[55:51]
we find out is in a flood zone
[55:55]
in the near future. And that,
[55:55]
you know, I'm in support of us
[55:56]
doing this. I'm in support of
[55:59]
its doing this and then the
[56:00]
timeline which accounts for
[56:00]
the new flood maps or which
[56:03]
incorporates them but doesn't
[56:03]
further dense of I areas that
[56:07]
are prone to disaster, that
[56:09]
that's my only concern. And I
[56:10]
think that, you know, given
[56:11]
everything that's on your
[56:12]
plate, it's fantastic that
[56:13]
this came is gonna go directly
[56:14]
into my comments here and say
[56:18]
that. Couple days ago I was
[56:20]
reading in The New York Times
[56:20]
the top 8 things that
[56:23]
Democrats can do with their
[56:24]
house leadership in the number
[56:26]
one thing was to pave the way
[56:27]
for more housing across the
[56:29]
United States Senate. In this
[56:31]
analysis, it said that. If
[56:35]
just New York and the San
[56:35]
Francisco Bay Area were to
[56:37]
produce enough housing to meet
[56:40]
the demand the entire economic
[56:41]
output of the United States
[56:43]
would rise by 4%. And so I
[56:45]
think for a council that so
[56:47]
concerned about economic
[56:48]
development, this is something
[56:49]
that we can do it in time.
[56:50]
We're not building a lot of
[56:51]
housing because of the costs
[56:52]
of materials and money and all
[56:55]
the other factors to pave the
[56:57]
way for future development
[56:59]
when conditions economic
[57:02]
conditions change. And so, you
[57:03]
know to that and you know, my
[57:05]
concerns around seek we're not
[57:05]
really high around in full
[57:07]
development as long as we're
[57:09]
not and filling in
[57:12]
disaster-prone areas. Most
[57:12]
sequel lawsuits that I've seen
[57:13]
an infill areas of nothing to
[57:15]
do with environmental
[57:17]
concerns. And so I think that
[57:18]
this is a great opportunity
[57:18]
for us to move forward pave
[57:22]
the way for transit oriented
[57:24]
growth when the time is right.
[57:26]
i'm fully supportive of you.
[57:28]
Waiting till summer, using
[57:29]
consultant time either is fine
[57:32]
with me. Whatever you need. To
[57:34]
do to get this done. I think
[57:36]
that we'll be better for it.
[57:37]
And I think that, you know,
[57:38]
while it MAY seem done, a lot
[57:40]
of things that the stacking of
[57:44]
things is going eventually pay
[57:45]
dividends for our community.
[57:46]
And the last is just that we
[57:48]
do have 5 year water plans. We
[57:50]
do have all kinds building
[57:51]
code reviews they get done and
[57:55]
that while this could pave the
[57:57]
way for many, many units. The
[57:57]
reality is that will pave the
[58:00]
way for a few units and that
[58:01]
rate of change will will
[58:03]
increase maybe a tiny bit. We
[58:06]
had I thought you said 18
[58:09]
Holmes pulled permits or
[58:11]
requests for sb 9. I mean,
[58:13]
it's not like these things
[58:14]
happen in gigantic scale. Like
[58:14]
we have to chip away and chip
[58:17]
away into way. But that I
[58:19]
think that our regular
[58:22]
processees can absorb the rate
[58:23]
of change that I expect from
[58:24]
sb 10 implementation and that
[58:30]
we probably can't do it soon.
[58:33]
Enough. Into care. Thank you.
[58:34]
Just one question for me. So
[58:35]
this was signed into law in
[58:40]
SEPTEMBER of 2021, correct?
[58:41]
>> So since then, can you
[58:43]
speak to the consideration and
[58:44]
adoption of this Senate bill
[58:45]
across the state of
[58:51]
California?
[58:51]
>> Certainly, thanks for the
[58:53]
question. So, yes, as we
[58:55]
understand the city of San
[58:57]
Diego did look into this as
[58:57]
part of a larger housing
[58:59]
package that they were moving
[59:01]
forward. Ultimately, they
[59:01]
decided not to move forward
[59:03]
with a speech and
[59:06]
implementation and to after
[59:10]
talking to hcd. As we
[59:12]
understand it, there's only
[59:14]
been one jurisdiction thus far
[59:16]
in the state that has taken
[59:16]
advantage and adopted it. And
[59:17]
it is a small jurisdiction
[59:19]
just south of San Jose in a
[59:21]
place to 2 parcels within that
[59:25]
jurisdiction. We do know some
[59:26]
of the local jurisdictions
[59:26]
here in Sonoma County are
[59:28]
looking into, including the
[59:30]
county itself. But as of none
[59:31]
of them have move forward with
[59:40]
implementation. MR. Rogers.
[59:40]
Thank you.
[59:43]
>> So I am I'm looking used to
[59:46]
it pro-housing. I think the
[59:48]
housing is great. I also think
[59:50]
that it is great for
[59:51]
developers in.
[59:52]
>> Property owners to have
[59:54]
tools in their tool box.
[59:55]
>> But I'm wondering how this
[1:00:01]
will rise above the rest and
[1:00:04]
allowing a people to develop
[1:00:06]
parcels that the current tools
[1:00:08]
we have will not allow them to
[1:00:11]
do so. For me, I don't feel
[1:00:14]
like I've really heard. That
[1:00:17]
yet. And so I'm leaning
[1:00:19]
towards the the No further act
[1:00:20]
shooting because I don't
[1:00:25]
really see how. Implementing
[1:00:25]
this. I see that it's going to
[1:00:26]
be a lot of staff time. I see
[1:00:30]
that it's going to take.
[1:00:30]
>> Money to implement. And I
[1:00:33]
see those things.
[1:00:34]
>> But when we look at the
[1:00:35]
current tools that we have, we
[1:00:37]
look at how many people have
[1:00:39]
utilized the current tools
[1:00:40]
that we have available for
[1:00:43]
developers and property
[1:00:46]
owners. I'm not really seeing
[1:00:47]
how it will, the impact it
[1:00:49]
will have. And I did hear
[1:00:50]
Councilmember Fleming say that
[1:00:54]
it is the slow process, but I
[1:00:57]
also want to make sure that if
[1:00:58]
we're investing in tools that
[1:01:02]
these tools will actually be
[1:01:03]
used and not just sit
[1:01:04]
somewhere in a tool box press
[1:01:06]
to but we have this tool that
[1:01:10]
is not going to ever the use
[1:01:11]
that we've invested time
[1:01:15]
monetary. Things that we could
[1:01:17]
have been investing in other.
[1:01:21]
Areas. So can you please tell
[1:01:22]
me exactly like how this is
[1:01:24]
going to do something more
[1:01:25]
than the tools that we already
[1:01:30]
have.
[1:01:31]
>> Yes, that's absolutely.
[1:01:33]
Think the challenge with sb 10
[1:01:34]
in particular and this is
[1:01:34]
likely what a lot of
[1:01:35]
jurisdictions have struggled
[1:01:38]
with a bit is the 10 unit
[1:01:39]
model on a parcel is not well
[1:01:42]
test it out. It is not a
[1:01:43]
common form of development.
[1:01:44]
Typically developers are
[1:01:46]
either doing single-family
[1:01:47]
products or they're doing your
[1:01:49]
accounts much greater than
[1:01:51]
that. So there isn't really a
[1:01:51]
good economic model that shows
[1:01:55]
the solid return on that. And
[1:01:57]
the state has evolved to allow
[1:01:58]
creative concepts with ad used
[1:02:03]
to get closer to the Count. We
[1:02:04]
do see strong desire and the
[1:02:06]
projects that are more
[1:02:07]
ministerial and by right,
[1:02:08]
meaning developers do not have
[1:02:09]
to go through the secret
[1:02:11]
process. They move forward
[1:02:11]
that that is very attractive.
[1:02:12]
And we are seeing a lot of
[1:02:17]
attention towards those. So by
[1:02:20]
zoning that allows 2 more
[1:02:20]
units, objective design
[1:02:21]
standards and more treats
[1:02:21]
streamlined path that
[1:02:23]
generally draws attention. But
[1:02:25]
even in the examples of to
[1:02:27]
use, dealing with 18, this
[1:02:28]
isn't necessarily opening up
[1:02:31]
the floodgates. And I think
[1:02:32]
the challenge is it can from a
[1:02:33]
policy standpoint, which
[1:02:34]
usually is what the ultimate
[1:02:37]
review and studies look at.
[1:02:38]
But we do not necessarily see
[1:02:40]
this being a big demand based
[1:02:41]
on the demand that we've seen
[1:02:43]
for the unit count. And
[1:02:45]
typically when you have larger
[1:02:46]
parcels, you get more of a
[1:02:47]
return more units you build in
[1:02:48]
your construction costs
[1:02:50]
increased. But your return is
[1:02:52]
higher. So I really think just
[1:02:54]
the model, especially of a 10
[1:02:55]
unit, multifamily project is
[1:02:56]
really not tested out. Well,
[1:02:58]
because all new developments
[1:02:59]
that we've had are traditional
[1:03:00]
subdivisions where you're
[1:03:00]
creating 10, lots putting 10
[1:03:02]
homes on them and selling
[1:03:04]
them. So it's difficult to
[1:03:05]
understand how the industry
[1:03:07]
response to this. But at the
[1:03:08]
end of the day, it does offer
[1:03:10]
an additional unit density
[1:03:10]
that provides a bit more
[1:03:14]
flexibility to bump that
[1:03:15]
number up. And it would
[1:03:17]
hopefully as we go through and
[1:03:18]
developed a process for this,
[1:03:18]
would it would develop a more
[1:03:19]
streamlined path that attract
[1:03:24]
developers.
[1:03:29]
>> Also, I'm looking at the
[1:03:29]
parcel size.
[1:03:30]
>> density. So correct me if
[1:03:35]
I'm wrong, I parcel size is
[1:03:38]
5100 square feet. So
[1:03:42]
>> with this, that means that.
[1:03:47]
If I go according to slide 7.
[1:03:53]
>> That 6 units could be
[1:03:56]
built. Potentially on on a
[1:03:58]
parcel that size.
[1:03:59]
>> Thanks for the questions.
[1:04:02]
So this chart that compares
[1:04:03]
parcel size and number of
[1:04:08]
units. At and density shows
[1:04:10]
both kind of the maximum that
[1:04:12]
would be allowed under sb 10.
[1:04:13]
And then if the number, if the
[1:04:14]
council wanted to move forward
[1:04:15]
with, say a lower maximum,
[1:04:21]
like 6 units. It results in
[1:04:22]
lower density. So it's really
[1:04:24]
just showing how densities
[1:04:24]
impacted, depending on how
[1:04:27]
large the parcel size is. But
[1:04:30]
the bill itself doesn't set
[1:04:36]
4th a minimum lot size. So rod
[1:04:37]
or kind of straightforward
[1:04:39]
application of sb 10 rezoning
[1:04:42]
could apply up to 10 units on
[1:04:43]
any residential parcel that
[1:04:45]
was shown on that map.
[1:04:47]
Regardless of if it's 4500
[1:04:51]
square feet or one acre. Okay.
[1:04:51]
And with the current tools
[1:04:56]
that we have. Sorry, I just I
[1:04:57]
need to figure out why adding
[1:04:59]
an additional is helpful with
[1:05:00]
the current tools that we
[1:05:04]
have. How many how many units
[1:05:09]
can I put on? A lot? That is
[1:05:14]
50, 5100 square Square feet.
[1:05:17]
>> Coming up, pull up this.
[1:05:20]
State law side because I think
[1:05:22]
it best responds. To your
[1:05:23]
question.
[1:05:26]
>> There are.
[1:05:30]
>> Multiple ways that.
[1:05:31]
Property owners can utilize
[1:05:33]
state bill. So this slide is
[1:05:36]
kind of a classic example of 2
[1:05:37]
of the more utilize housing
[1:05:40]
bills that we've seen. Could
[1:05:41]
play togeth. So in this
[1:05:44]
example, this could be a your
[1:05:46]
property of 5 or 6,000
[1:05:47]
square-foot lot. In a low
[1:05:51]
density part of Santa Rosa.
[1:05:53]
There is the option under
[1:05:55]
state law right now to
[1:05:57]
subdivide that lot. And then
[1:06:01]
develop each of those lots
[1:06:03]
with 2 units each so 2 primary
[1:06:04]
and its resulting in a total
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of 4. And then on top of that
[1:06:08]
to construct accessory
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dwelling units. So that
[1:06:14]
graphic is showing a property
[1:06:16]
that if you're just looking at
[1:06:17]
the general plan, it MAY only
[1:06:21]
assume one unit, but actual
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number of units, if you count
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ad uses units as well, results
[1:06:27]
and 8. And so as charter and
[1:06:31]
answering that is 8 units
[1:06:32]
could be allowed on most of
[1:06:35]
these. Sb 10 eligible
[1:06:35]
properties and low density
[1:06:39]
parts of the city. Half of
[1:06:40]
what would be 80 use. So that
[1:06:44]
is a distinction. But sb 10
[1:06:48]
would allow for to to
[1:06:49]
potentially for for you. It's
[1:06:52]
on top of that. Depending on
[1:06:55]
if the council moved forward
[1:06:58]
with that 10 unit maximum or a
[1:06:59]
lower maximum for sb 10. So
[1:07:00]
there's a lot of variables and
[1:07:05]
choices here. Somebody could
[1:07:07]
still get a units on many low
[1:07:08]
density parcels with just what
[1:07:11]
state law says now. If the
[1:07:12]
council wanted to move forward
[1:07:13]
with sb 10, there's the
[1:07:18]
potential for. Potentially 2
[1:07:19]
to 4 additional units on top
[1:07:24]
of what is currently permitted
[1:07:26]
a lot of numbers. I don't know
[1:07:28]
So that might numbers. 8. And
[1:07:30]
I'll just say that if I woke
[1:07:36]
up tomorrow in my neighbor.
[1:07:37]
>> 6 to 10 new units on their
[1:07:40]
property. I don't know how how
[1:07:42]
happy I would be after working
[1:07:46]
3 jobs in order just to to
[1:07:46]
Biden's home in Sonoma County
[1:07:49]
and have that many units right
[1:07:51]
next to me in. In addition, I
[1:07:56]
don't see how implementing sb
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10.
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>> Would
[1:08:00]
>> would help if they can
[1:08:03]
already get a units on there.
[1:08:08]
I just don't see. How it is
[1:08:08]
helpful.
[1:08:10]
>> So I know we have some of
[1:08:14]
our housing friendly friends
[1:08:15]
in the audience and I really
[1:08:20]
would like to know like if
[1:08:21]
they're advocating for this,
[1:08:23]
how they see that it is
[1:08:25]
additional tool that people
[1:08:29]
actually use that will be
[1:08:30]
helpful and how our
[1:08:34]
neighborhoods can function
[1:08:39]
with additional. With the
[1:08:42]
additional density some of our
[1:08:42]
neighborhoods with that will
[1:08:44]
look like when we look at
[1:08:46]
public safety, when we look at
[1:08:49]
parking and I know that we say
[1:08:50]
that everyone does it mean
[1:08:50]
parking, but the reality is,
[1:08:56]
is that we have not moved far
[1:08:57]
enough from a place where
[1:08:58]
people are not car dependent
[1:08:59]
because our public
[1:09:01]
transportation is not at a
[1:09:06]
place where it can sustained a
[1:09:07]
lot of people's daily
[1:09:10]
routines. I for one tried it.
[1:09:14]
But the know driving and I
[1:09:16]
really cannot figure out
[1:09:19]
figure out my schedule about
[1:09:21]
how to get the kids to school,
[1:09:23]
how to get to work and then
[1:09:24]
how to get to that meeting and
[1:09:27]
how to do all of this by
[1:09:29]
taking public transportation.
[1:09:30]
So for me, there's just a lot
[1:09:31]
more to it. And I'm just
[1:09:34]
trying to make it all makes
[1:09:35]
sense. But it seems like we
[1:09:39]
have adequate tools right now
[1:09:41]
to help developers and
[1:09:41]
property owners if they would
[1:09:45]
like to add additional units.
[1:09:47]
I do see how sb would be
[1:09:53]
helpful. I'm always up to here
[1:09:54]
how it would be helpful. I
[1:09:55]
guess that's what I'm asking
[1:09:57]
is I am saying make it make
[1:09:58]
sense to me because right now
[1:10:03]
it doesn't. Thank you MISS
[1:10:04]
Running.
[1:10:05]
>> Yeah, I think that if we
[1:10:07]
had adequate tools, we would
[1:10:09]
have adequate housing. I do
[1:10:10]
acknowledge that there are
[1:10:11]
things that are beyond the
[1:10:11]
scope of the city of Santa
[1:10:12]
Rosa. But this is one thing
[1:10:15]
that we can do and I do hear
[1:10:16]
staff saying that there is
[1:10:18]
some time this summer. So I
[1:10:19]
think that if there is time
[1:10:23]
that adding one more tool to
[1:10:26]
the toolbox is is hardly a
[1:10:27]
harmful thing. There's one
[1:10:28]
there's one if you could speak
[1:10:32]
to a little around sb 9 around
[1:10:34]
owner occupant requirements.
[1:10:35]
Is there and are there any
[1:10:41]
regulations in there? So state
[1:10:43]
law requires that applicants
[1:10:45]
when they submit their sb 9
[1:10:48]
application that they
[1:10:49]
>> agree to stay on the
[1:10:52]
property for 3 years following
[1:10:53]
the approval of their project.
[1:10:56]
It does not mandate it, but
[1:10:58]
that's it's an affidavit that
[1:11:00]
they signed that saying that
[1:11:01]
they will consider living on
[1:11:03]
site for 3 years.
[1:11:04]
>> You know why? That is the
[1:11:10]
way that it is. I do not okay.
[1:11:11]
And those sb 9 units require
[1:11:15]
that their detached my
[1:11:17]
understanding that sb 10 units
[1:11:19]
could be multi-family where as
[1:11:24]
sb are 80 use.
[1:11:26]
>> Never sb 9. You have 2
[1:11:29]
primary units and and then you
[1:11:30]
can have to use on top of that
[1:11:33]
if you wanted to
[1:11:34]
>> and sb 10 differs from
[1:11:39]
that. In what way? So would be
[1:11:42]
units to use, but just 10
[1:11:43]
units allowed on a lot and
[1:11:45]
they could be cottage course
[1:11:45]
they can be multi-family.
[1:11:48]
could be any combination
[1:11:48]
thereof.
[1:11:50]
>> Correct. So it sounds to me
[1:11:53]
like it a significantly
[1:11:54]
different tool.
[1:11:54]
>> One would be like if I have
[1:11:56]
a large lot and I want lot
[1:11:58]
split and whatever and others
[1:11:58]
from the developer looking at
[1:12:00]
an undeveloped or a
[1:12:00]
potentially, you know,
[1:12:04]
recapitalize double lot, but
[1:12:05]
I'd be coming in and looking
[1:12:06]
at that. Is that sort of the
[1:12:21]
difference between these 2?
[1:12:24]
>> Yes, I think Senate Bill 10
[1:12:25]
because it's so brief. It
[1:12:26]
provides for a lot of
[1:12:30]
flexibility. So there's not
[1:12:30]
there's very few requirements
[1:12:31]
in the bill outside of the
[1:12:33]
location, all criteria where,
[1:12:35]
as you mentioned, that
[1:12:38]
property owner or developer
[1:12:40]
could choose to move forward
[1:12:42]
and build up a project in
[1:12:43]
various configurations, right?
[1:12:46]
Whereas sb 9, is a bit more
[1:12:49]
restrictive and how and how
[1:12:50]
it's written? Right? Remember
[1:12:51]
looking at this once because I
[1:12:53]
have a big lot. And at you
[1:12:54]
know, you'd have to split it
[1:12:56]
and you have to do that. The
[1:12:56]
aid you in this order in that
[1:12:57]
order. And what I like about
[1:12:58]
sb 10 is that it's just sort
[1:13:00]
of a blanket.
[1:13:02]
>> Opportunity to build up to
[1:13:03]
10 units doesn't really
[1:13:04]
require the order that they're
[1:13:04]
done and the configuration. It
[1:13:06]
sort of lets the market
[1:13:09]
determine what the right way
[1:13:10]
to proceed given them the
[1:13:13]
conditions at that time. I
[1:13:16]
don't have any more questions.
[1:13:20]
Thank you, MR. Donald.
[1:13:21]
>> I just have a quick
[1:13:23]
follow-up question. As far as
[1:13:24]
like say, I live in the
[1:13:25]
neighborhood. Have 6500 square
[1:13:28]
foot ladder had a smaller one.
[1:13:29]
Does sb 10 and say you can put
[1:13:34]
a 10 story building, you know,
[1:13:36]
in their back yard, like build
[1:13:37]
an apartment complex. Is there
[1:13:38]
some flex like you're saying
[1:13:41]
there's a lot of flexibility.
[1:13:42]
Would allow something like
[1:13:43]
that in the middle of the
[1:13:46]
neighborhood. If you met that
[1:13:47]
standard to say, I can just
[1:13:47]
put my own little apartment
[1:13:51]
complex right behind the home.
[1:13:55]
That's a great question. So if
[1:13:57]
we move forward with sb 10
[1:13:58]
implementation and didn't
[1:14:00]
touch our development or
[1:14:02]
design standards. Any
[1:14:02]
development would need to
[1:14:05]
comply with what the existing
[1:14:08]
standards are, which in most
[1:14:09]
of are lower density
[1:14:10]
neighborhoods is a high lament
[1:14:15]
of 35 feet. Presents a bit of
[1:14:17]
a challenge. If we want to get
[1:14:19]
up to 10 units because in some
[1:14:20]
cases you would need to build
[1:14:22]
up the lot sizes smaller. So
[1:14:23]
that would be something we
[1:14:24]
want to explore just to ensure
[1:14:28]
that. If there is additional
[1:14:30]
capacity, it can be realized
[1:14:35]
while also considering the
[1:14:38]
surrounding development. Think
[1:14:39]
that's my concern around the
[1:14:41]
blanket that there's a lot of
[1:14:41]
design standards that would
[1:14:41]
have to be considered a lot of
[1:14:41]
development standards that
[1:14:43]
have to be considered because
[1:14:44]
the the language in sb 10
[1:14:46]
seems so broad that the staff
[1:14:50]
time that's required on these
[1:14:51]
little pockets of places that
[1:14:53]
potentially want to add more
[1:14:56]
units. It's going to require
[1:14:57]
that staff time of carving out
[1:15:00]
if we did somewhat of a
[1:15:02]
blanket type adoption for sb
[1:15:04]
10, which to me sounds like a
[1:15:07]
nightmare based on the 72% of
[1:15:08]
lots. That could actually have
[1:15:12]
this happen. So. I have
[1:15:14]
concerns over the capacity of
[1:15:15]
of what we would be trying to
[1:15:16]
achieve. I agree with
[1:15:19]
Councilmember Rogers that I'm
[1:15:20]
not sure what more this adds
[1:15:24]
right now to us. My
[1:15:25]
understanding is if adopt a
[1:15:29]
blanket sb 10, there's no
[1:15:33]
going back because if we know
[1:15:34]
we don't know the unintended
[1:15:37]
consequences to it, that if we
[1:15:38]
do it, we're stuck with it.
[1:15:40]
And there's it doesn't matter
[1:15:41]
how much it impacts are.
[1:15:42]
Neighborhoods doesn't matter
[1:15:45]
how much that it's going to,
[1:15:46]
you know, maybe harm public
[1:15:47]
safety or any of the other
[1:15:49]
things that we obligated to
[1:15:50]
do, where we have to comply
[1:16:02]
with that. Is that correct?
[1:16:04]
Yes. So any rezoning because
[1:16:07]
sb 10 allows for rezoning and
[1:16:08]
that would remain in place. It
[1:16:10]
would not at be allowed to be
[1:16:12]
sort of down zoned once that
[1:16:18]
action was taken. So the
[1:16:21]
answer yes, we do a blanket on
[1:16:22]
sb 10. It automatically makes
[1:16:24]
his re zone and there's no
[1:16:26]
going back and we're not
[1:16:28]
really sure about the
[1:16:29]
unintended consequences, one
[1:16:30]
because no jurisdictions have
[1:16:31]
done it really for us to be
[1:16:35]
able to test or study. And 2,
[1:16:36]
really wouldn't know how it
[1:16:38]
would impact Santa Rosa,
[1:16:38]
including our staff on how
[1:16:41]
we'd have to do design
[1:16:41]
standards my understanding
[1:16:45]
that part correctly. Yes, I
[1:16:46]
think that would be a quick
[1:16:47]
summary. We can't go back on
[1:16:50]
the rezoning. So once that's
[1:16:50]
done there is on for the 10
[1:16:53]
units. If it is done broadly
[1:16:54]
than that does not provide the
[1:16:55]
opportunity to analyze the
[1:16:56]
impacts of those 10 units that
[1:16:57]
the more local level.
[1:17:01]
>> Thank you. Thank you. Any
[1:17:04]
of the questions and council.
[1:17:08]
I was good conversation. Let's
[1:17:11]
go to public comment. If you
[1:17:11]
require names in some of call
[1:17:12]
to names, let's use both
[1:17:13]
podiums and go back and forth
[1:17:16]
as quickly as we can.
[1:17:17]
>> Our crew mistie bass Tony
[1:17:18]
and Omar Lopez. Let's start
[1:17:20]
with you. 3. And if you're in
[1:17:22]
council chambers and wish to
[1:17:23]
make public comment, if you
[1:17:24]
could be waiting in the back
[1:17:25]
by one of the podium so we can
[1:17:27]
we can move this along. All
[1:17:29]
right, Marcus, at you. All
[1:17:33]
right. We just saw from
[1:17:35]
>> mayor council members, good
[1:17:38]
afternoon. Thank you. For
[1:17:40]
scheduling sb 10 Study session
[1:17:41]
today. My name is Mark Rutte.
[1:17:44]
I'm in Rosa resident and
[1:17:46]
someone who's wrapping up a 37
[1:17:47]
year career in affordable
[1:17:51]
housing locally. And I'm
[1:17:54]
asking you to often does asked
[1:17:54]
beat him. And that also to
[1:17:58]
make the eligibility as the
[1:17:59]
amount of eligible elsewhere,
[1:18:00]
Eunice, as large, and
[1:18:02]
inclusive as possible. And I
[1:18:04]
have 3 reasons for asking you
[1:18:07]
to to go that direction today.
[1:18:07]
The first has been talked
[1:18:08]
about a little bit of the
[1:18:09]
council level. And I think
[1:18:11]
it's the most important, which
[1:18:14]
is sb 10 would add another
[1:18:15]
tool to your tool box. One
[1:18:16]
thing my long career in
[1:18:19]
housing has taught me is you
[1:18:20]
need lots and lots of tools in
[1:18:22]
your toolbox. There are so
[1:18:23]
many barriers, so many
[1:18:25]
obstacles, so many challenges
[1:18:27]
to getting housing any kind
[1:18:28]
built that you need all the
[1:18:29]
tools you can. So that's I
[1:18:33]
think the most important
[1:18:34]
reason. Secondly, sb 10
[1:18:37]
maintain growth, boundaries
[1:18:38]
and it would more broadly
[1:18:39]
facilitate city City center
[1:18:40]
growth. Good for the
[1:18:42]
environment. Good for
[1:18:43]
walkability and all those
[1:18:44]
things. I think the city is
[1:18:47]
trying to achieve. And 3rd, as
[1:18:48]
we 10 would add choices for
[1:18:50]
citizens. What would come out
[1:18:53]
of sb 10 implementation is
[1:18:54]
some naturally occurring
[1:18:55]
affordable units and that
[1:18:55]
offers a choice to people that
[1:18:58]
I think is important. And I
[1:18:59]
want to say, lastly, if you
[1:19:02]
reluctant about going first,
[1:19:03]
we're almost first I think I
[1:19:04]
heard is only one other
[1:19:06]
community in the state who is
[1:19:07]
implementing this. I would ask
[1:19:08]
you to refrain that this is
[1:19:12]
your opportunity to be bold
[1:19:13]
and to be brave in to be Just
[1:19:14]
quickly. My last 20 seconds,
[1:19:17]
when I words for the city of
[1:19:18]
Santa Rosa, as part of my
[1:19:20]
career, this is during the
[1:19:23]
early odds, number of homeless
[1:19:25]
initiatives were launched by
[1:19:26]
the city and that had the
[1:19:27]
effect of it is giving a Sam
[1:19:28]
Jones Holland's mother
[1:19:29]
shelters open because of the
[1:19:32]
City council's leadership. For
[1:19:33]
other jurisdictions to join
[1:19:35]
the effort. So I'll stop
[1:19:36]
there. Thank you for your
[1:19:37]
time.
[1:19:38]
>> Thank you, Mark. Alright,
[1:19:39]
Misty Omar and then rich.
[1:19:44]
Misty.
[1:19:48]
>> Thank you. Mayor and
[1:19:49]
council for taking the time to
[1:19:52]
hear this conversation on
[1:19:58]
behalf of Habitat for Humanity
[1:20:02]
of Sonoma County and the ceo
[1:20:02]
>> we have.
[1:20:03]
>> Strong support for the
[1:20:03]
city's consideration of this
[1:20:04]
ordinance. Allowing up to 10
[1:20:06]
homes for parcel designated in
[1:20:07]
urban infill.
[1:20:11]
>> area near transit.
[1:20:11]
>> Stops.
[1:20:12]
>> As an organization
[1:20:15]
dedicated to creating
[1:20:15]
affordable homeownership
[1:20:16]
opportunities for local
[1:20:18]
families. We know firsthand
[1:20:19]
how important flexible land
[1:20:20]
use policies are to addressing
[1:20:25]
Seminole County's housing.
[1:20:26]
>> Challenges smaller infill
[1:20:26]
developments offer an
[1:20:30]
opportunity to create much
[1:20:32]
needed housing within existing
[1:20:33]
neighborhoods while making
[1:20:36]
efficient use of limited land
[1:20:38]
and infrastructure. We have
[1:20:39]
seen firsthand what is
[1:20:40]
possible when local
[1:20:42]
governments embrace this
[1:20:43]
approach in SEPTEMBER have
[1:20:44]
attacked, completed
[1:20:45]
Blankenship place for townhome
[1:20:47]
development in Sebastopol
[1:20:52]
which transformed a vacant
[1:20:53]
7200 acre lot that had sat
[1:20:53]
there. We'd strewn for 40
[1:20:58]
years. It is now the home of 4
[1:21:02]
amazing local families. This
[1:21:03]
project was made possible
[1:21:05]
through the city s about
[1:21:05]
schools, willingness to
[1:21:06]
support residential
[1:21:07]
development on commercially
[1:21:10]
zone or infill properties. The
[1:21:10]
resolution specifically
[1:21:12]
recognize that the project
[1:21:13]
with advanced several
[1:21:17]
important community goals.
[1:21:18]
Providing urban sprawl, sorry,
[1:21:22]
preventing urban sprawl,
[1:21:22]
prioritizing development
[1:21:25]
within the city limits
[1:21:25]
creating homer ship
[1:21:26]
homeownership opportunities
[1:21:28]
for low and moderate income
[1:21:30]
households providing housing
[1:21:31]
or employment schools, retail
[1:21:34]
and public transportation and
[1:21:35]
encouraging development that
[1:21:35]
fits within the existing
[1:21:38]
character of neighborhoods. I
[1:21:38]
encourage you to support this.
[1:21:39]
Thank you for your time. And
[1:21:43]
have a great day. Thank you.
[1:21:44]
Misty.
[1:21:44]
>> Omar Rich. And then add the
[1:21:48]
Arnold Omar.
[1:21:49]
>> Good afternoon. Mayor
[1:21:51]
stopped Vice Mayor Okrepkie
[1:21:52]
members of the council and
[1:21:54]
staff. My name is Omar Lopez.
[1:21:56]
I'm the policy coordinator, a
[1:21:56]
generation housing and I'm
[1:21:57]
here to urge you to direct
[1:21:59]
staff to move forward with sb
[1:22:00]
10. When we talk about
[1:22:01]
housing, we often talk about
[1:22:03]
it. One piece at a time
[1:22:04]
affordable housing, senior
[1:22:06]
housing starter homes. But
[1:22:08]
housing works like a ladder
[1:22:10]
ladder when there's room for
[1:22:10]
at each stop, people can move
[1:22:13]
up when they need to found
[1:22:14]
sites when they need to stay
[1:22:15]
in the city that they love
[1:22:16]
through every stage of life.
[1:22:18]
When steps are missing, people
[1:22:20]
got stuck. And Santa Rosa, the
[1:22:21]
missing stops are in the
[1:22:23]
middle. When we when we have
[1:22:24]
single-family homes and we're
[1:22:24]
building these larger
[1:22:26]
apartment, bought the
[1:22:27]
buildings but very little in
[1:22:30]
between the cottage courts
[1:22:31]
townhomes in small buildings
[1:22:32]
that used to be how people got
[1:22:34]
their first foot hold that you
[1:22:35]
can see. And that's our dc
[1:22:35]
neighborhood. A lot of our
[1:22:36]
older neighborhoods in Santa
[1:22:41]
Rosa being built. As we time
[1:22:42]
adds those stops that allows
[1:22:44]
him to be built in a much more
[1:22:45]
feasible fashion that we don't
[1:22:46]
see what the s p nines and the
[1:22:46]
other ones, because we're how
[1:22:48]
the units can be built under
[1:22:50]
sb 10 versus with sb 9 kind of
[1:22:51]
like Councilmember Fleming
[1:22:55]
mentioned. When an older
[1:22:56]
resident can move into a
[1:22:57]
smaller home in their own
[1:22:59]
neighborhood, the House leave
[1:23:00]
open suffer younger family
[1:23:02]
when a young family come by
[1:23:02]
town home, a rental open
[1:23:05]
suffer someone else. New homes
[1:23:06]
every level. Great movement
[1:23:10]
for everybody. To make it
[1:23:11]
work. We asked you a pint is
[1:23:13]
probably as you feel
[1:23:14]
comfortable with from s and
[1:23:15]
make sense. We don't want to
[1:23:16]
put a few blocks to cause that
[1:23:17]
can kind of defeat the purpose
[1:23:19]
of this bill. We want to
[1:23:20]
development center to let the
[1:23:23]
sums actually be built and
[1:23:25]
parent with clear ministerial
[1:23:26]
approval process of the city
[1:23:27]
is already developing. And as
[1:23:28]
part of the work plan from our
[1:23:31]
our understanding. And we want
[1:23:32]
to confirm the county Sonoma
[1:23:34]
has committed to implementing
[1:23:35]
has been time as part of their
[1:23:36]
housing element and that they
[1:23:37]
will start that work at the
[1:23:38]
beginning of next year. So to
[1:23:39]
see great opportunity for you
[1:23:44]
to co-lead. But the county.
[1:23:45]
Thank you, Omar Rich Abbey.
[1:23:48]
And then Pauline.
[1:23:49]
>> Hi, everyone. Rich Wallach
[1:23:50]
with Burbank Housing, senior
[1:23:53]
director of special projects.
[1:23:56]
And I want first say I'm in
[1:23:57]
very much in support of this
[1:24:02]
program. Sb 10 Atypical
[1:24:03]
Burbank Project MAY be around
[1:24:05]
50 units and that's going to
[1:24:08]
justify ally. Take a Tax
[1:24:09]
credit execution needing up
[1:24:10]
one and a half to 3 acres in
[1:24:12]
order to build for type 5
[1:24:15]
construction. A small infill
[1:24:16]
site MAY need much less
[1:24:17]
infrastructure and other site
[1:24:21]
work and encourage
[1:24:22]
entrepreneurial efforts.
[1:24:22]
>> Richard lead in the Mike
[1:24:27]
Abishur thank you in. Other
[1:24:28]
site work and encourage
[1:24:28]
entrepreneurial efforts in
[1:24:32]
building developer capacity
[1:24:33]
for smaller nonprofits,
[1:24:35]
applying 80% am I units can
[1:24:36]
make projects more feasible by
[1:24:38]
applying the well for a tax
[1:24:41]
exemption when utilized with
[1:24:42]
affordability, regulations.
[1:24:43]
And these really do also
[1:24:44]
represent missing middle
[1:24:49]
approaches. I think this is
[1:24:51]
more attractive, as others
[1:24:53]
have mentioned, that sb 9 sb
[1:24:54]
98. It correct me if I'm
[1:24:55]
wrong, but I think it usually
[1:24:58]
requires a homeowner as part
[1:25:00]
of that zoning effort. It's
[1:25:01]
it's not a 3rd party
[1:25:06]
development fake insight.
[1:25:06]
Thoughtful, small scale
[1:25:07]
development is easier to blend
[1:25:08]
in with neighborhood feel in
[1:25:13]
style. Made mention to the
[1:25:19]
council. There's great
[1:25:22]
visionary whose got a small
[1:25:22]
scale development book called
[1:25:23]
Building Small Bases based and
[1:25:24]
Jim Hyde based in Healdsburg.
[1:25:25]
And they've got a lot of
[1:25:26]
creative ways to do small site
[1:25:28]
development that can really
[1:25:31]
enhance neighborhoods and take
[1:25:33]
into account the neighborhood
[1:25:35]
feel. I also have a
[1:25:35]
recommendation that maybe
[1:25:37]
there's an annual cap. So you
[1:25:42]
don't get over over grown with
[1:25:43]
that too many projects and not
[1:25:44]
enough capacity and still
[1:25:45]
implementing a program that
[1:25:46]
makes a lot of sense. Thank
[1:25:48]
you.
[1:25:49]
>> Thank you, Rich, Abby,
[1:25:54]
Pauline and then Caitlin.
[1:25:55]
>> Thank you so much. Mayor
[1:25:57]
Stapp and council. I'm Abby
[1:26:02]
Arnold representing Santa Rosa
[1:26:03]
Umb today. We're of an all
[1:26:04]
volunteer organization of
[1:26:07]
about 500 Santa Rosa residents
[1:26:08]
who are committed to building
[1:26:12]
Santa Rosa into an affordable,
[1:26:13]
vibrant and low-carbon city
[1:26:17]
for all. Rather than repeating
[1:26:19]
what we said in our letter. I
[1:26:20]
wanted to respond to some of
[1:26:23]
the comments that have been
[1:26:25]
made and talk about at a
[1:26:29]
practical and emotional level.
[1:26:30]
What increasing housing supply
[1:26:31]
means for those of us who live
[1:26:34]
here in Santa Rosa to begin
[1:26:39]
with it corrects the historic
[1:26:41]
racism of single-family
[1:26:42]
zoning, which was adopted, as
[1:26:46]
you can read about in a book
[1:26:47]
by Professor Richard Ross
[1:26:50]
Sting called The Color of Law.
[1:26:52]
It was adopted as a way of
[1:26:53]
excluding people from being
[1:26:54]
able to live in neighborhoods.
[1:26:56]
So it makes our neighborhoods
[1:27:00]
more diverse and more vibrant.
[1:27:02]
I look at this as a way of
[1:27:04]
having more friends or
[1:27:09]
neighbors, fewer people who
[1:27:10]
are homeless more homeowners,
[1:27:12]
more people being able to get
[1:27:16]
on the the opportunity to buy
[1:27:16]
a home and really put down
[1:27:21]
roots and make our homes. One
[1:27:22]
of the tragedies that Santa
[1:27:24]
Rosa's afflicted with right
[1:27:26]
now is the declining
[1:27:27]
enrollment our schools. And
[1:27:30]
that's directly related to the
[1:27:32]
fact that we're about 30% of
[1:27:33]
seniors in this city and not
[1:27:36]
enough kids are here to take
[1:27:39]
it to the b in our schools. It
[1:27:41]
will also increase tax
[1:27:44]
revenues to pay for critical
[1:27:47]
city services. So we are in
[1:27:50]
strong support the city
[1:27:53]
adopting Prop 10 are an sb 10
[1:27:56]
plan. Thank you.
[1:27:57]
>> Thank you, Abbi. Halloween,
[1:28:00]
Caitlin. And then
[1:28:02]
>> Good afternoon. Mayor
[1:28:03]
stopped by Samara, preppy and
[1:28:04]
members of council. Thank you
[1:28:04]
so much for considering this
[1:28:05]
today. My name is Pauline
[1:28:08]
blocking with cornerstone.
[1:28:10]
More local North Bay property
[1:28:11]
owner and developer. And I'm
[1:28:15]
also a Santa Rosa resident I
[1:28:15]
am here to urge you to adopt
[1:28:18]
sb 10 as broadly as you can.
[1:28:19]
And as you know, it's
[1:28:19]
difficult to pencil projects
[1:28:20]
right now. So not getting a
[1:28:21]
lot of grandma about our
[1:28:22]
boundaries around. This is
[1:28:25]
going to the essential too. If
[1:28:27]
there is time put into
[1:28:28]
bringing this effort forward,
[1:28:29]
we want to make sure that it
[1:28:30]
can be applied and it just
[1:28:31]
doesn't become another thing
[1:28:33]
on the shelf that has too many
[1:28:34]
boundaries that actually make
[1:28:37]
it possible to build also
[1:28:37]
during the presentation had a
[1:28:40]
thought. I think Rich said
[1:28:41]
about doing maybe a cap. I
[1:28:42]
think annual is great on the
[1:28:43]
percentage of the parcels. I
[1:28:46]
know there's a concern about
[1:28:47]
their being you know, if all
[1:28:50]
of those were developed, which
[1:28:51]
I don't know the probability,
[1:28:52]
but I think an annual cap is a
[1:28:53]
great way to potentially
[1:28:54]
address that. In addition to
[1:28:57]
being here today and for on
[1:28:58]
its own. And Santa Rosa
[1:29:00]
resident. I'm also assist or I
[1:29:02]
should say proud sister of
[1:29:03]
emergency room nurse at center
[1:29:05]
here in our community. She's
[1:29:06]
been a resident in this
[1:29:08]
community for over 15 years
[1:29:09]
and 2 months ago she moved to
[1:29:11]
cloverdale because she could
[1:29:11]
not afford the housing here
[1:29:12]
and she commutes and now to
[1:29:14]
serve the community. So even
[1:29:16]
if this is just a piece of the
[1:29:18]
affordable housing, you know,
[1:29:19]
puzzle and it gets us a step
[1:29:19]
forward. It's still a piece
[1:29:23]
that. Helps. Omar mentioned
[1:29:24]
that housing cycle. We want
[1:29:25]
people to be able to move
[1:29:27]
through the housing cycle and
[1:29:28]
not be stuck. So it helps us
[1:29:29]
keep people here in our
[1:29:30]
communities. Helps us draw new
[1:29:31]
people in. And again, it's
[1:29:32]
just a piece of the puzzle to
[1:29:35]
help us forward. So I urge you
[1:29:36]
to adopt sb 10 in the most
[1:29:37]
brought sense that we can. And
[1:29:40]
thank you for your time.
[1:29:41]
>> Thank you, Pauline, Caitlin
[1:29:46]
Jenner and then Peter Stanley.
[1:29:47]
Good afternoon. Mayor stopping
[1:29:48]
Councilmembers Cape by be here
[1:29:50]
on behalf of legal aid Sonoma
[1:29:50]
County.
[1:29:51]
>> Thank you for this
[1:29:54]
opportunity to comment to
[1:29:55]
speak alongside so many
[1:29:57]
members from our community and
[1:29:59]
organizations spoken to the
[1:30:02]
depth and the reach of the
[1:30:04]
impacts of of the housing
[1:30:06]
crisis and the urgency that is
[1:30:09]
demanded at legal aid. We see
[1:30:10]
this crisis up close every
[1:30:13]
single day with families who
[1:30:17]
are struggling and sometimes
[1:30:18]
just not able to actually keep
[1:30:22]
a roof over their heads. We
[1:30:22]
have submitted written
[1:30:23]
comments as well. So I will
[1:30:24]
keep my levels. My my comments
[1:30:27]
at a high level. But I think
[1:30:29]
the question here tonight is
[1:30:30]
not really whether we need to
[1:30:31]
build more housing and whether
[1:30:33]
we need to build a greater
[1:30:35]
diversity of housing types. I
[1:30:43]
think the answer both those
[1:30:47]
questions is a is a resounding
[1:30:47]
yes. But I think the question
[1:30:48]
is whether sb 10 is the right
[1:30:48]
to has written or can be the
[1:30:48]
right tools, scoped in a way
[1:30:49]
and that we actually get to an
[1:30:53]
equitable outcome where we
[1:30:54]
don't see widening disparities
[1:30:54]
within our communities as a
[1:30:56]
result of how we apply this
[1:31:01]
tool. I think we're concerned.
[1:31:02]
That, you know, compared to
[1:31:03]
some of the state zoning
[1:31:04]
reforms that were mentioned as
[1:31:06]
being like sb 9, which allows
[1:31:09]
up to 8 units or sb 1123. That
[1:31:13]
allows up to 10 units that sb
[1:31:14]
10 lacks any requirement that
[1:31:16]
the homes redevelops. The
[1:31:17]
parcels redevelop do not have
[1:31:18]
renters living there
[1:31:19]
currently. And so especially
[1:31:21]
for neighborhoods where we
[1:31:22]
have lower-income communities,
[1:31:25]
communities of color and
[1:31:25]
primarily single-family homes
[1:31:27]
in this community is a thing.
[1:31:29]
There is some real concern
[1:31:30]
there that if this news for be
[1:31:34]
like to see addressed. And I
[1:31:36]
will say that. Like I said,
[1:31:37]
we've submitted additional
[1:31:38]
written comments that outline
[1:31:41]
how the city might scope sb 10
[1:31:42]
locally in a way that
[1:31:42]
affirmatively further sapped
[1:31:45]
fair housing. Thank you. Thank
[1:31:45]
you, Kate. All right. Jenny
[1:31:50]
beer. I
[1:31:51]
>> Good evening. Mayor
[1:31:53]
Council, thank you. Staff of
[1:31:54]
the presentation. I want to
[1:31:58]
just address a couple things
[1:32:00]
quickly. The first thing is is
[1:32:00]
about is this a good tool or
[1:32:03]
do we have enough tools and I
[1:32:04]
think the answer is pretty
[1:32:05]
simple that they're just the
[1:32:06]
facts as we don't have enough
[1:32:07]
homes and our homes are too
[1:32:10]
expensive. 4 people who live
[1:32:11]
and work here and these are
[1:32:14]
just facts. And so we are also
[1:32:17]
set to underperform production
[1:32:18]
any time in the last 60 years.
[1:32:21]
These are just facts. So
[1:32:22]
clearly the tools we have are
[1:32:24]
not enough. And we need every
[1:32:25]
tool in every tool is going to
[1:32:26]
do just a little bit because
[1:32:28]
there is no magic bullet.
[1:32:30]
There isn't. So this is got to
[1:32:31]
do something. This is a great
[1:32:34]
tool in the tool box. Second
[1:32:36]
thing is around, this is the
[1:32:37]
one thing I want to thank
[1:32:39]
staff for great work and
[1:32:40]
they've been great partners in
[1:32:41]
this. But the one thing I
[1:32:41]
would disagree with you on is
[1:32:43]
whether or not this is
[1:32:44]
economically proven because it
[1:32:46]
is economically proven when it
[1:32:48]
was legal. They did it and you
[1:32:49]
see it in the McDonald
[1:32:50]
neighborhood. You see it in
[1:32:51]
the Jaycee neighborhood and
[1:32:52]
you see it in the Burbank
[1:32:53]
neighborhood. You see it in
[1:32:54]
Cherry Street. You see it in
[1:32:54]
downtown Healdsburg. You see
[1:32:58]
it in downtown Petaluma.
[1:32:59]
>> You see it in every older
[1:33:01]
neighborhood when it was
[1:33:02]
legal, they do. And they built
[1:33:05]
and I own a home on the corner
[1:33:06]
of McDonald neighborhood
[1:33:07]
District and I have a home in
[1:33:08]
an ad you and across the
[1:33:09]
street, there's a single
[1:33:09]
family home and across the
[1:33:10]
street, there's 10 units and
[1:33:11]
across the street the other
[1:33:13]
way, there's a four-bedroom
[1:33:14]
cottage thing in down the
[1:33:14]
street. There's a triplex and
[1:33:17]
there's a budget, fancy
[1:33:18]
single-family homes and has a
[1:33:19]
budget ride. Flexes in quads,
[1:33:20]
all throughout the
[1:33:20]
neighborhood that you don't
[1:33:22]
even know. Our multi-family
[1:33:23]
when it was legal, they did
[1:33:27]
it. So this is a great tool.
[1:33:29]
You know, in 2019, the
[1:33:30]
governor said Santa Rosa,
[1:33:31]
you're doing all that you can
[1:33:34]
and we were at the moment,
[1:33:36]
right? We were speeding,
[1:33:37]
rebuild and we were up zoning
[1:33:38]
downtown. But it's not enough
[1:33:40]
because it's too hard. So
[1:33:41]
we've got to do every single
[1:33:44]
thing we possibly can. And
[1:33:46]
this is a great tool. So
[1:33:47]
please adopted broadly. But
[1:33:47]
with the objective design
[1:33:49]
standards.
[1:33:54]
>> Thank you, Peter.
[1:33:55]
>> Good Good evening. Mayor
[1:33:56]
staff members of the council.
[1:34:00]
My name is Peter I've had an
[1:34:01]
architectural land use
[1:34:01]
planning and development
[1:34:02]
consulting firm in Santa Rosa
[1:34:04]
for 25 years now, I spent 6
[1:34:05]
years on the planning
[1:34:08]
Commission and I am now I
[1:34:09]
stepped across the island now
[1:34:12]
and the just finished. A 14
[1:34:13]
unit incremental townhouse
[1:34:15]
development in another
[1:34:17]
jurisdiction. I will tell you,
[1:34:17]
I couldn't have done that
[1:34:18]
project here. Sb 10 would have
[1:34:21]
allowed me to do that here. I
[1:34:24]
think it's important to all
[1:34:26]
the speakers have talked very
[1:34:28]
eloquently about why we need
[1:34:29]
another tool in the tool box.
[1:34:32]
And that's because sb 9 is a
[1:34:34]
great tool, but it doesn't do
[1:34:37]
what I want to do. And I want
[1:34:38]
to build housing in this
[1:34:40]
community, but I can't do that
[1:34:41]
under sb 9 unless I'm going to
[1:34:44]
living in one of the houses
[1:34:46]
for 3 years. That's not how we
[1:34:47]
develop housing for the
[1:34:48]
communities that are being
[1:34:49]
marginalized here. Sb 10
[1:34:52]
allows us to do all kinds of
[1:34:54]
more creative development
[1:34:54]
patterns. Those creative
[1:34:55]
development patterns are going
[1:34:57]
to be able to give housing to
[1:35:00]
people who can't afford like
[1:35:01]
COUNCILMAN Rogers and me what
[1:35:02]
I had to do to get my house.
[1:35:06]
It takes a lot of work. What
[1:35:08]
we need options that allow
[1:35:09]
those people to not have to
[1:35:11]
have 3 jobs in order to get
[1:35:13]
housing. We need to have the
[1:35:14]
kind of housing that when
[1:35:18]
people graduate from Sonoma
[1:35:19]
State or they get a degree
[1:35:20]
that's rjc, that they can stay
[1:35:21]
in this community and they
[1:35:21]
don't have to live in a house
[1:35:25]
with 4 other people. This is
[1:35:26]
what sb 10 does. It's just
[1:35:26]
another tool in the tool box.
[1:35:29]
These tool box. Items that
[1:35:30]
everybody talks about. They're
[1:35:32]
not something could to just
[1:35:35]
sort of cast aside. You can't
[1:35:36]
throw a big blanket over the
[1:35:39]
city and say we solve the
[1:35:41]
problem. We will not have a
[1:35:43]
floodgate of sb 10 projects
[1:35:44]
coming through. I can tell you
[1:35:45]
that because I've been here
[1:35:46]
for 25 years. I've watched all
[1:35:48]
these policies go in place and
[1:35:50]
they each elevate housing, but
[1:35:53]
they do not overwhelm it. So I
[1:35:54]
would encourage you to approve
[1:35:56]
consent broad range. Thank
[1:35:56]
you.
[1:35:58]
>> Thank you, Peter.
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>> Fred, you're up next.
[1:36:08]
>> Santa Rosa has a suburban
[1:36:08]
sprawl development pattern
[1:36:10]
that locked in primarily white
[1:36:11]
single-family zone
[1:36:13]
neighborhoods. This was and is
[1:36:14]
systemic segregation. These
[1:36:16]
low density areas reported
[1:36:18]
opportunity and burned a
[1:36:18]
bridge to replicating what
[1:36:21]
they have with the eu gb
[1:36:23]
movement. Yuji bees made for a
[1:36:25]
green checkmate know pushing
[1:36:26]
the edge but no dense, dense
[1:36:30]
infield tolerated either. This
[1:36:32]
makes low quality city strips
[1:36:32]
in Santa Rosa Avenue into
[1:36:35]
nimby and Reno relief valves
[1:36:36]
sb 10 attempts to address that
[1:36:39]
corn in the argument that up
[1:36:41]
zoning destroys neighborhood
[1:36:42]
character by disguising medium
[1:36:43]
density housing units to look
[1:36:46]
like single-family homes. But
[1:36:48]
there is no sb 10
[1:36:50]
affordability requirement sb
[1:36:52]
10 units won't address the
[1:36:52]
city's greatest affordability
[1:36:55]
needs because the units we'll
[1:36:56]
be market rate and market rate
[1:36:58]
is on affordable at even
[1:36:59]
smaller unit sizes too low,
[1:37:01]
very low and extremely low
[1:37:02]
income cohort as well as many
[1:37:07]
moderate income folks. The
[1:37:08]
greatest need Rosa,
[1:37:10]
significant 3 cycle. Reno
[1:37:11]
backlog, a very low income
[1:37:12]
housing. And this is what
[1:37:15]
really needs plan. So enter
[1:37:16]
affirmatively furthering fair
[1:37:17]
housing and the requirement
[1:37:18]
that meaningful actions be
[1:37:20]
taken to combat segregation.
[1:37:21]
Coming on the city to bring
[1:37:24]
forward aff age, the housing
[1:37:27]
element, equity peas and
[1:37:28]
ensure that no actions are
[1:37:29]
taken that go against this
[1:37:30]
law. If you decide to go with
[1:37:35]
the sb 10 overlays. So I would
[1:37:36]
like to back case comment from
[1:37:40]
legal aid and support
[1:37:41]
generally in the comments of
[1:37:42]
Councilmember Fleming and
[1:37:43]
other folks that we need more
[1:37:45]
tools in the tool box, but
[1:37:47]
also with the provision that
[1:37:48]
Kate made that there has to be
[1:37:53]
aff age. Analysis and study.
[1:37:54]
So that won't be shown that
[1:37:55]
these market rates want to
[1:37:56]
exacerbate existing
[1:37:59]
segregation. Thank you. Thank
[1:38:01]
you, Fred. Is there anybody
[1:38:02]
else in council chambers who
[1:38:06]
was just wishes to speak?
[1:38:07]
>> Seeing none. We'll go
[1:38:08]
online. MADAM Zoom host, is
[1:38:09]
there anybody online who has
[1:38:10]
their hand raised or has
[1:38:12]
doubts or 9?
[1:38:14]
>> But, of course, mayor, for
[1:38:16]
this item there is we're going
[1:38:17]
to start with Stephanie and
[1:38:18]
then move on to leora. If
[1:38:20]
there's anybody else on zoom,
[1:38:21]
raise your hand now or it's
[1:38:30]
star 9. If you dialed in.
[1:38:31]
Stephanie, I have enabled your
[1:38:32]
permissions. Go right ahead.
[1:38:36]
>> Can you hear me? Yep. Thank
[1:38:37]
My name is Stephanie. I'm with
[1:38:39]
generation housing, but I'm
[1:38:42]
actually here to share comment
[1:38:43]
from.
[1:38:44]
>> Alicia, about ppe for
[1:38:44]
workplace solutions on behalf
[1:38:45]
of key site who share common
[1:38:47]
with us earlier today, she's
[1:38:51]
unable to attend to key site,
[1:38:53]
is experiencing tremendous
[1:38:54]
growth and hiring rapidly and
[1:38:56]
attracting great time to Santa
[1:38:57]
Rosa means giving employees
[1:38:58]
the opportunity to build a
[1:39:00]
light here. Not just work
[1:39:01]
Right now, house and feel like
[1:39:03]
one of the most fragile
[1:39:04]
threads connecting that
[1:39:05]
opportunity to a long-term
[1:39:07]
future. And Santa Rosa, we can
[1:39:09]
bring great people here, but
[1:39:10]
whether they can put down
[1:39:11]
roots and truly become part of
[1:39:13]
this community depends in
[1:39:13]
meaningful part on whether
[1:39:14]
they can find a home that
[1:39:17]
works for them. Great housing
[1:39:18]
opportunities can turn that
[1:39:20]
fragile threat today into a
[1:39:22]
strong rope for the future
[1:39:23]
connecting employees,
[1:39:23]
families, employers and the
[1:39:26]
community for years to come
[1:39:27]
expanding the range of
[1:39:27]
attainable housing options,
[1:39:29]
including missing middle
[1:39:31]
housing, gives more people the
[1:39:33]
chance to make that connection
[1:39:34]
lasting. And I want to share a
[1:39:35]
couple more things that
[1:39:36]
clarify that. This is for me,
[1:39:39]
Stephanie, not Alicia, but I I
[1:39:41]
I would encourage you all not
[1:39:43]
to fear the 72% number. This
[1:39:46]
isn't good thing that this
[1:39:46]
many parcels can take
[1:39:50]
advantage of this sb 9 has
[1:39:52]
been in effect for 4 years and
[1:39:53]
includes most Santa Rosa
[1:39:53]
parcels. And only been 15
[1:39:57]
projects. An additional tool
[1:39:58]
that can add more density. But
[1:40:00]
like with sb 9, it's hard when
[1:40:01]
you have many parcels to be
[1:40:02]
available so that incremental
[1:40:07]
percentage will I also want
[1:40:08]
clarify the sb 9 versus that
[1:40:09]
the 10 conversations not
[1:40:13]
apples to were sb. 9 allows 8
[1:40:14]
10 allows time has I'm like
[1:40:15]
has been said many times
[1:40:15]
requires homeowner occupy one
[1:40:17]
of these units as the time
[1:40:22]
does not to housing doesn't
[1:40:22]
just out a bunch new people to
[1:40:24]
the city allows people to move
[1:40:26]
out of their penthouse out of
[1:40:27]
a roommate situation out of
[1:40:28]
substandard housing and
[1:40:29]
overcrowded housing. It
[1:40:30]
creates desperately needed
[1:40:31]
movement in the market. And
[1:40:32]
adds new residents said who
[1:40:38]
can? Thank you, Stephanie
[1:40:38]
Leora.
[1:40:39]
>> Followed by, Carol. If
[1:40:40]
anybody else again, raise your
[1:40:42]
hand now, please. We are a go
[1:40:43]
right ahead. I've been able
[1:40:46]
permissions.
[1:40:47]
>> I everybody of my name is
[1:40:50]
Lee or not Congress. I work
[1:40:54]
for you in the action but also
[1:40:56]
really support density and and
[1:40:57]
neighborhoods against gentle
[1:41:00]
density. Is that your car?
[1:41:01]
>> live a parcel a half acre
[1:41:06]
parcel of that originally had
[1:41:10]
one unit on and are able to
[1:41:11]
build. Jt year today, 80's
[1:41:13]
actually. And in a tu. So we
[1:41:18]
have 4 units and you know, our
[1:41:20]
houses look any different than
[1:41:21]
the House's owner Street. But
[1:41:23]
what we do have is we have my
[1:41:23]
mother-in-law and my father
[1:41:27]
and I who have their own home,
[1:41:27]
but are still really close.
[1:41:28]
They can provide child care
[1:41:30]
for our 2 kids. And we can't
[1:41:34]
afford to stay here because we
[1:41:35]
have all these incomes that
[1:41:36]
are sort of contributing to
[1:41:39]
our property. I would never in
[1:41:41]
a million years be able to
[1:41:41]
afford our neighborhood
[1:41:47]
neighborhood. If we didn't all
[1:41:48]
these adults, have a guy who
[1:41:49]
are contributing to our
[1:41:51]
mortgage and and to the upkeep
[1:41:52]
and it's allowed my kids to go
[1:41:56]
to a really good school and
[1:41:57]
really just opened up a lot
[1:42:01]
opportunities for family in
[1:42:03]
general. So, yeah, I encourage
[1:42:07]
you to to be expansive in your
[1:42:08]
in your definitions of
[1:42:09]
housing, what it looks like,
[1:42:13]
what it could be. And and and
[1:42:15]
really think about how it
[1:42:16]
makes. Your life changing
[1:42:17]
difference for everybody who
[1:42:19]
is able to. To have a stable
[1:42:21]
home.
[1:42:25]
>> Thank you. All right.
[1:42:26]
Moving on to Terrell. We're
[1:42:27]
going to follow that with
[1:42:29]
Jessica. Darrell. Go right
[1:42:30]
ahead. I've been able
[1:42:33]
permissions.
[1:42:35]
>> Yeah, I think city
[1:42:36]
councilmembers. My name is
[1:42:40]
Daryl land and I'm speaking
[1:42:40]
behalf of common space
[1:42:45]
community Land Trust. We're a
[1:42:45]
local nonprofit
[1:42:48]
community-based affordable
[1:42:49]
housing organization working
[1:42:50]
throughout Sonoma County,
[1:42:50]
along with in the city of
[1:42:54]
Santa Rosa. And Common spaces.
[1:42:55]
Housing mission is to U.S. 3
[1:42:58]
part to protect, preserve and
[1:43:00]
produce affordable housing for
[1:43:04]
our community members. Today
[1:43:05]
before the council's a choice
[1:43:06]
to look at adopting this
[1:43:10]
statewide law that. Allow the
[1:43:13]
city take another step in
[1:43:14]
expanding the protect the
[1:43:15]
production side of the House
[1:43:18]
and question. And that is why
[1:43:19]
like I would like to speak to
[1:43:22]
our organization's support for
[1:43:23]
sb 10 and encourage this
[1:43:26]
council to look at a broad
[1:43:29]
adoption of zone. For all the
[1:43:30]
urban infill parcels
[1:43:31]
throughout the city of Santa
[1:43:34]
Rosa. I think it's key to
[1:43:38]
remember that this is up to 10
[1:43:39]
houses, 10 units. It doesn't
[1:43:40]
mean that all 10 need to be
[1:43:44]
developed when it comes
[1:43:45]
housing affordability. The
[1:43:46]
math is simple. We simply do
[1:43:49]
not housing to keep up with
[1:43:50]
Santa Rosa needs more housing
[1:43:51]
options for more of our
[1:43:56]
community members. While
[1:43:57]
recognizing this issues is
[1:43:57]
considered simple answer is
[1:44:01]
complex. The city planning
[1:44:02]
staff and council members over
[1:44:04]
the past 5 years have made
[1:44:06]
good choices on moving forward
[1:44:07]
with progressive zoning and
[1:44:10]
housing policy changes and
[1:44:11]
they've been implemented. A
[1:44:12]
number of changes to the
[1:44:13]
zoning bags that have led more
[1:44:16]
housing being built. But
[1:44:18]
that's said I'm certain that
[1:44:18]
the county council should
[1:44:20]
choose to make more
[1:44:21]
progressive and expansive
[1:44:25]
steps to updating and owning
[1:44:26]
the city zoning regulations.
[1:44:29]
This will only encourage and
[1:44:29]
and be a signal that the city
[1:44:31]
is doing the right their part.
[1:44:34]
To build more housing.
[1:44:38]
>> Thank you, Carol.
[1:44:39]
>> Going to be moving on to
[1:44:40]
Jessica. Jessica. Go ahead
[1:44:46]
unable permissions.
[1:44:49]
>> can you hear me yet?
[1:44:52]
>> Good And city council
[1:44:53]
members. My name is Jessica
[1:44:55]
and I am a massive social work
[1:44:58]
student at University Southern
[1:45:00]
California. I also work as a
[1:45:00]
psp prenatal cordinator as
[1:45:03]
Santa Rosa Community Health
[1:45:04]
where I work closely with
[1:45:06]
pregnant women and families in
[1:45:07]
our community. I moved to
[1:45:09]
Saint Rose in APRIL of this
[1:45:11]
year. And one thing I notice
[1:45:12]
is how difficult it is for
[1:45:14]
families to find affordable
[1:45:16]
housing. I understand that is
[1:45:17]
the tenants being discussed as
[1:45:19]
a way to allow more housing
[1:45:21]
development in certain areas.
[1:45:23]
Santa Rosa, while increasing
[1:45:25]
housing opportunities is
[1:45:26]
important. I also believe we
[1:45:26]
need to consider whether these
[1:45:27]
homes will be affordable and
[1:45:29]
accessible to low-income
[1:45:31]
families through my work, I
[1:45:32]
think are encountered pregnant
[1:45:33]
women who are living in their
[1:45:34]
cars were rooms are staying
[1:45:35]
with relatives because they
[1:45:38]
cannot afford housing. One
[1:45:39]
situation. I really concerns
[1:45:40]
me is pregnant women with
[1:45:40]
gestational diabetes who need
[1:45:43]
insulin but are living out of
[1:45:44]
their cars without stable
[1:45:46]
housing. Even something as a
[1:45:48]
basic they as having a safe
[1:45:49]
place to store medication can
[1:45:51]
become a challenge. I
[1:45:52]
regularly help connect
[1:45:53]
families with resources such
[1:45:56]
as Burbank, housing. But there
[1:45:57]
are often limited openings and
[1:45:58]
families must meet specific
[1:45:59]
eligibility requirements as a
[1:46:02]
city Council considers sb 10.
[1:46:03]
I encourage you to think about
[1:46:04]
how additional housing
[1:46:06]
development can also address
[1:46:07]
affordability and
[1:46:07]
accessibility for families who
[1:46:10]
need it. Most housing is more
[1:46:11]
than just a roof over
[1:46:13]
someone's head. It affects
[1:46:14]
physical health and mental
[1:46:15]
health and the well-being of
[1:46:16]
our community. Thank you very
[1:46:23]
for your time. Thank you,
[1:46:24]
>> There's anyone else. Please
[1:46:27]
raise your hand. Back to you.
[1:46:31]
Mayor.
[1:46:32]
>> Thank you very much,
[1:46:33]
Lauren. Alright, back to
[1:46:34]
council for final discussion
[1:46:35]
and any direction to staff.
[1:46:39]
Thoughts. Ben Willis. Thank
[1:46:42]
you, Mayor.
[1:46:45]
>> The kind of go back and
[1:46:52]
forth options 2, 3, I don't
[1:46:53]
want our hands to be tied in
[1:46:54]
anyway. So that's why I'm
[1:46:56]
leaning toward the broad
[1:46:59]
implementation. But I would
[1:47:01]
like to see and I know we
[1:47:02]
can't necessarily dictate
[1:47:03]
this. But what I would like to
[1:47:05]
see is the low in low-income
[1:47:10]
housing be a focus and not
[1:47:14]
just market rate
[1:47:15]
>> a diversity of housing. And
[1:47:18]
I know that's been been
[1:47:19]
somewhere where it MAY be.
[1:47:19]
When I was reading the staff
[1:47:21]
reported talked about
[1:47:24]
diversity of different types
[1:47:26]
of housing, which I think
[1:47:27]
Santa Rosa really needs
[1:47:27]
because I don't think we have
[1:47:30]
that. And especially when I
[1:47:31]
look at other jurisdictions
[1:47:34]
just even around us, we don't
[1:47:35]
have the kind of diversity
[1:47:40]
that a lot of cities have. And
[1:47:42]
then I think it was mentioned
[1:47:43]
the objective designs
[1:47:46]
standards. So that's why think
[1:47:46]
it's kind of a combination of
[1:47:48]
2, 3, but that's sort of the
[1:47:49]
direction I would like to see
[1:47:51]
us going. I know we need more
[1:47:52]
housing. That's not even a
[1:47:52]
question is just a question. I
[1:48:00]
think of how we utilize sb 10
[1:48:01]
I don't like I said, I don't
[1:48:02]
want to see us tire hands, but
[1:48:03]
I think I would love for us to
[1:48:07]
move in that direction if
[1:48:08]
there was anything else. I
[1:48:08]
want to mention, I think those
[1:48:14]
are the for me at this time.
[1:48:16]
Thank Other thoughts. MR.
[1:48:21]
Rogers. So
[1:48:26]
>> thoughts. I did have a a
[1:48:28]
question. So the multifamily
[1:48:30]
when we talk about multifamily
[1:48:33]
units for me, that's maybe we
[1:48:35]
can possibly start getting to
[1:48:35]
the
[1:48:39]
>> entry level into home
[1:48:41]
ownership. Do we not have any
[1:48:41]
tools right now other than 80
[1:48:46]
use where people can build the
[1:48:48]
duplexes and try Plex is in
[1:48:51]
different types of development
[1:48:52]
that will allow people to get
[1:48:54]
into the entry level home
[1:48:59]
ownership. Yes, thank you for
[1:49:01]
that question. So the code
[1:49:02]
does currently allow duplexes
[1:49:05]
and triplex is in.
[1:49:07]
>> Our single family
[1:49:09]
residential neighborhoods
[1:49:11]
duplexes and have plex is
[1:49:14]
recently. We change our code
[1:49:15]
regulations prior they they
[1:49:17]
required a minor conditional
[1:49:18]
use permit are low density
[1:49:22]
areas that requirement was
[1:49:23]
removed. They are now allowed
[1:49:26]
by rate. So just needs to
[1:49:27]
maintain density. But
[1:49:29]
additional units be on a
[1:49:31]
duplex or half plex requires a
[1:49:32]
minor. Sorry, a director level
[1:49:35]
use permit. But it is allowed
[1:49:35]
in our all of our low density
[1:49:39]
residential neighborhoods.
[1:49:43]
>> what can we do?
[1:49:45]
>> To support or ensure that
[1:49:48]
these units are affordable
[1:49:49]
because I think one of the
[1:49:52]
public commenter said it best
[1:49:52]
just because we build it
[1:49:53]
doesn't mean that they're
[1:49:55]
going to be affordable. So
[1:50:00]
what can we do as a city to
[1:50:01]
ensure that if we move forward
[1:50:03]
with sb 10. That there's some
[1:50:06]
incentive. For the units to be
[1:50:13]
affordable.
[1:50:15]
>> So I think that's something
[1:50:16]
that we would need to look
[1:50:17]
closely We can work with our
[1:50:21]
housing department on that
[1:50:21]
requirement for affordability
[1:50:27]
you know, includes going into
[1:50:28]
contract with development
[1:50:29]
project. But we could
[1:50:29]
certainly look at incentives
[1:50:31]
and ways to encourage and
[1:50:33]
affordability as part of this.
[1:50:37]
Something like this moving
[1:50:38]
forward.
[1:50:41]
>> And if we're going based on
[1:50:42]
Omar's comment, I think of
[1:50:43]
affordability is deemed
[1:50:45]
appropriate for whoever its
[1:50:47]
purchase saying. So there
[1:50:49]
really is nothing to say that
[1:50:51]
something is affordable. But
[1:50:52]
if we
[1:50:55]
>> what that ladder where
[1:50:57]
people can start or have entry
[1:50:58]
into home ownership and then
[1:51:00]
go to the next and then go to
[1:51:01]
the next.
[1:51:03]
>> We do need different
[1:51:04]
different types of units. We
[1:51:07]
need different income brackets
[1:51:08]
that qualify for those units
[1:51:13]
in and so on. But what
[1:51:14]
>> what I kind don't want is
[1:51:19]
just for us to. Build housing
[1:51:21]
only for a developer or
[1:51:22]
someone to come in. That
[1:51:24]
doesn't live in our community
[1:51:25]
in by a bunch of housing and
[1:51:29]
then rent it out.
[1:51:33]
>> To our community members
[1:51:33]
because that's
[1:51:34]
counterproductive. I mean,
[1:51:35]
that's not doing what it is
[1:51:37]
that we want to happen in that
[1:51:37]
is for our community members
[1:51:41]
to be able have home ownership
[1:51:43]
to start building that
[1:51:46]
generational wealth that we
[1:51:49]
know can can definitely change
[1:51:49]
the trajectory of our
[1:51:53]
families.
[1:51:56]
>> And then the Sebastopol
[1:51:58]
example of building the 4
[1:51:59]
homes. There was the public
[1:52:00]
commentary that gave the
[1:52:00]
example of that. It's about
[1:52:03]
the pool.
[1:52:04]
>> Example. Is that not
[1:52:06]
something that we would be
[1:52:07]
able to do now with the tools
[1:52:10]
that we have? To put for units
[1:52:15]
on on a parcel. I think that
[1:52:20]
was that her example right? So
[1:52:21]
need to look at what they
[1:52:22]
example was in and I think it
[1:52:25]
would depend on a case-by-case
[1:52:25]
basis.
[1:52:26]
>> Where it is and the city
[1:52:28]
with the zoning is with the
[1:52:29]
density is that, you know,
[1:52:33]
again, our code does allow for
[1:52:35]
duplexes and have plex is in
[1:52:36]
our single-family areas by
[1:52:39]
rate so and then, of course,
[1:52:39]
there's you know, the
[1:52:40]
additional units that can be
[1:52:44]
added through 8 eu law. And,
[1:52:45]
you know, certainly we've got
[1:52:45]
our missing middle housing
[1:52:46]
ordinance to laws a lot more.
[1:52:49]
So I think there's a lot of
[1:52:50]
variables there, but something
[1:52:52]
that we could certainly look
[1:52:52]
into.
[1:52:55]
>> So I did get another book
[1:52:56]
that I need to read out of it.
[1:52:57]
So I think that that's great
[1:53:00]
color of law. But if it's the
[1:53:04]
will of the council, I I'm
[1:53:07]
okay be 10. I think it needs
[1:53:12]
to be targeted. Because I
[1:53:13]
think that that's really
[1:53:16]
important. Some at commenters
[1:53:17]
gave examples of how you can
[1:53:17]
be in a neighborhood. I think
[1:53:19]
it was Chan and you can be in
[1:53:21]
a neighborhood and you not
[1:53:23]
even know that. That is multi
[1:53:26]
unit because it was by design.
[1:53:28]
And so I think that we really
[1:53:30]
need to because once we
[1:53:31]
implemented won't go away that
[1:53:33]
we really need to make sure
[1:53:39]
that is something that we
[1:53:39]
target in certain
[1:53:40]
neighborhoods and because it
[1:53:42]
fits that neighborhood, not
[1:53:44]
just say it, we can do it
[1:53:46]
anywhere. I don't think that
[1:53:50]
that would be helpful for us.
[1:53:53]
We need to have a plan about
[1:53:55]
what it looks like in in 20
[1:53:58]
years from now. If this is
[1:53:59]
something that we are going to
[1:54:03]
have to continue to use and we
[1:54:06]
can't take it back. So. Thank
[1:54:11]
you. MISS Funding.
[1:54:14]
>> I think more or less made
[1:54:15]
my interest clear earlier. But
[1:54:18]
I'll reiterate that I think we
[1:54:20]
should move forward with
[1:54:21]
except in the wildland urban
[1:54:23]
interface and except in the
[1:54:27]
>> flood plains that we should
[1:54:29]
also bring forward objective
[1:54:31]
design standards and that we
[1:54:31]
should when it comes back to
[1:54:33]
the full Council for
[1:54:37]
implementation that we ought
[1:54:40]
have a night words, not
[1:54:41]
displacing renters, but not in
[1:54:44]
such a way that precludes us
[1:54:46]
from getting the housing
[1:54:47]
ultimately built because the
[1:54:48]
more housing that is
[1:54:49]
available, whether it's
[1:54:52]
ownership or rental more stock
[1:54:56]
we need. We need staff at
[1:54:57]
affordable by design. We need
[1:54:58]
stock illegally affordable. We
[1:55:02]
need stock at market rate. And
[1:55:03]
as somebody who lives in the
[1:55:04]
neighborhood that Jen
[1:55:05]
mentioned.
[1:55:08]
>> One of hit. It's my
[1:55:09]
understanding that these
[1:55:10]
neighborhoods were not
[1:55:14]
designed such a way that that
[1:55:15]
precluded this multi-family
[1:55:16]
housing, that it's the newer
[1:55:17]
neighborhoods, the suburban
[1:55:18]
outlying neighborhoods and
[1:55:19]
Tanner is that they were
[1:55:20]
designed for only
[1:55:25]
single-family housing that the
[1:55:26]
market build single-family
[1:55:28]
housing alongside multifamily
[1:55:30]
housing without regulation. It
[1:55:32]
was that when the regulation
[1:55:34]
came in, it was really
[1:55:37]
intended to push folks of
[1:55:37]
color, lower-income folks
[1:55:39]
further and further out. And,
[1:55:40]
you know, we see that both
[1:55:41]
within our cities and within
[1:55:43]
our metropolitan area that
[1:55:44]
when we zoned for
[1:55:45]
single-family housing and we
[1:55:48]
have then city limits and how,
[1:55:50]
you know, car parking minimums
[1:55:50]
that people get further and
[1:55:51]
further pushed out. And if you
[1:55:54]
look at it, the city like San
[1:55:55]
Francisco, the African
[1:55:57]
American population continues
[1:55:58]
decline. Well, the Central
[1:56:00]
Valley continues to grow. And
[1:56:03]
so and suburbanization and
[1:56:05]
single family dwellings have
[1:56:06]
had a really negative effect
[1:56:07]
on our community. And this is
[1:56:11]
one small step we We can take
[1:56:13]
towards towards reversing that
[1:56:13]
pattern in all. Just also add
[1:56:15]
that I think that
[1:56:17]
opportunities for home
[1:56:19]
ownership are not necessarily
[1:56:19]
always better than
[1:56:22]
opportunities for renting. We
[1:56:23]
know that the market
[1:56:26]
consistently outperforms home
[1:56:27]
equity and home equity and
[1:56:29]
living in owning a home offer
[1:56:30]
stability in all kinds of
[1:56:31]
wonderful outcomes for
[1:56:34]
children. But it's not
[1:56:36]
necessarily and efficient
[1:56:38]
financial tool. What to my
[1:56:39]
mind when I saw when I went to
[1:56:41]
Vienna really great for
[1:56:43]
mobility is having lots of
[1:56:44]
housing at lots of different
[1:56:46]
income levels. Rental
[1:56:46]
ownership, limited Equity, Co
[1:56:48]
housing, all of the things.
[1:56:49]
And so that people flexibility
[1:56:52]
throughout their life cycles
[1:56:53]
to come and go and do what
[1:56:55]
they need to do. And maybe the
[1:56:56]
housing is a way that they
[1:56:58]
build equity and wealth, but
[1:56:59]
maybe it's through the market
[1:56:59]
or through whatever else. And
[1:57:02]
people aren't tethered to one
[1:57:04]
geographic location for
[1:57:06]
fraternity. So, you know,
[1:57:07]
mostly what Carolyn Manuela
[1:57:10]
said. I second that and I look
[1:57:12]
forward to hearing when it
[1:57:13]
comes probably at home on my
[1:57:19]
tv. Thank you, MR. Donald.
[1:57:23]
>> Thank you. I actually
[1:57:24]
really appreciate council
[1:57:26]
member from means, you her
[1:57:27]
background and all of her
[1:57:28]
knowledge around housing. And
[1:57:29]
so I appreciate all your
[1:57:30]
comments tonight.
[1:57:31]
Councilmember Fleming with
[1:57:35]
that said, I have concern over
[1:57:36]
a blanket on sb 10 and some of
[1:57:37]
it is the work that I think
[1:57:40]
has to go into our high-risk
[1:57:42]
areas. Obviously, my district,
[1:57:42]
I really represent a lot of
[1:57:46]
folks that are in the wee and
[1:57:49]
we just out to come out that
[1:57:50]
showed high risk on fire. So I
[1:57:53]
think safety is paramount for
[1:57:54]
me on exit routes, making sure
[1:57:56]
that people in the event of
[1:57:56]
any type of natural disaster,
[1:58:00]
whether it's flooding or
[1:58:01]
potentially fires that that's
[1:58:02]
considered. And I'm not sure
[1:58:05]
that as beach n covers that
[1:58:06]
because of the ability to move
[1:58:08]
forward. So I think that would
[1:58:11]
be something that would be of
[1:58:13]
great concern to me. And what
[1:58:16]
I've heard is great concern to
[1:58:17]
my district. I also think the
[1:58:20]
idea of having a cap on how
[1:58:22]
many we can do potentially any
[1:58:23]
year would help with staff and
[1:58:24]
impact and so that we're doing
[1:58:27]
it slowly. I do not feel
[1:58:30]
comfortable doing a blanket on
[1:58:30]
sb 10. Something MAY be
[1:58:33]
targeted areas and that can
[1:58:36]
allow for higher density is
[1:58:38]
something that I would be more
[1:58:40]
interested in. I don't know
[1:58:41]
that no further action would
[1:58:43]
be something any of us really
[1:58:46]
want to do because we know the
[1:58:47]
high need for housing Santa
[1:58:47]
Rosa and Sonoma County,
[1:58:51]
specifically. So I'm I'm not
[1:58:51]
sure I want to do that, but I
[1:58:53]
also want to make sure that
[1:58:54]
we're able to complete the
[1:58:56]
projects that we have in
[1:58:57]
place. Now. And that's top
[1:58:58]
isn't deterred because now we
[1:59:01]
have a and new shiny object
[1:59:03]
that might work. And we tend
[1:59:04]
to want to do that where we
[1:59:06]
want to put everything in this
[1:59:07]
bucket of. We can fix it all.
[1:59:10]
And so I want to be mindful of
[1:59:11]
what we're currently doing and
[1:59:14]
not overload our staff. So I
[1:59:15]
would be interested in seeing
[1:59:17]
almost like a Pilate of
[1:59:19]
something coming back on a
[1:59:20]
targeted. I don't know if
[1:59:20]
that's allowed under sb 10
[1:59:24]
where we are very specific
[1:59:25]
about where we want to do this
[1:59:26]
to start and see the
[1:59:27]
implications of that as we try
[1:59:31]
roll it out. Thank you. Vice
[1:59:35]
Mayor, thank you.
[1:59:36]
>> I think for me, I'm
[1:59:41]
definitely not in favor of no
[1:59:42]
guardrails blanket application
[1:59:48]
of sb 10. I. I lean towards no
[1:59:50]
further action for the simple
[1:59:52]
idea of staff. The staff lift
[1:59:53]
this would take and then staff
[1:59:55]
capacity amongst other things.
[1:59:59]
>> However, I could be
[2:00:01]
persuaded to. I think it was
[2:00:02]
Councilmember Fleming
[2:00:02]
mentioned bring it back at a
[2:00:04]
later date for a little bit
[2:00:09]
more what's a idea to give
[2:00:11]
staff more time to
[2:00:12]
Councilmember MacDonald point
[2:00:13]
to accomplish the things that
[2:00:14]
we already have in the in, you
[2:00:18]
know, in the hopper I agree
[2:00:19]
with the design standard. I
[2:00:22]
agree with targeted areas. I I
[2:00:23]
could agree with those down
[2:00:26]
the line. But I think my
[2:00:27]
biggest concern, right? You
[2:00:32]
know, so I lean more more
[2:00:32]
conservative to I don't know
[2:00:33]
if this is making any sense
[2:00:34]
like guys were doing like
[2:00:37]
mixtures of but a more
[2:00:39]
conservative, too. But down
[2:00:41]
the line, one staff has
[2:00:43]
capacity to implement it
[2:00:50]
presumably before the Sunset.
[2:00:51]
Thank you. And I think I'm I'm
[2:00:53]
the mix of my colleagues here.
[2:00:55]
Something that targeted in
[2:00:56]
implementation fear.
[2:00:57]
>> No one here wants to take
[2:00:58]
no action. We want to have
[2:01:02]
read every tool that we can,
[2:01:03]
but we want to make sure that
[2:01:05]
that this tool doesn't disrupt
[2:01:06]
some of the other other
[2:01:07]
policies that we already have
[2:01:08]
in place just made a public
[2:01:10]
projects that we have in
[2:01:13]
place. Then elephant room that
[2:01:14]
we danced around that number
[2:01:15]
number of can start tonight.
[2:01:17]
Was that the financing
[2:01:18]
environment right now? I mean,
[2:01:20]
there's a reason why with our
[2:01:21]
missing middle ordinance
[2:01:22]
changes, we haven't seen a lot
[2:01:23]
of development even with some
[2:01:25]
of the eu's, even with some of
[2:01:26]
our general development. It is
[2:01:28]
a tough financing environment
[2:01:29]
out there right now. And
[2:01:32]
that's likely continue. So we
[2:01:33]
have a little bit of space
[2:01:35]
where no matter what policy we
[2:01:35]
implement, we're probably not
[2:01:38]
going to see a lot of new
[2:01:39]
development in very near
[2:01:40]
future. And so taking the time
[2:01:43]
to do this right, the fact
[2:01:44]
that other cities across the
[2:01:46]
state have not implemented
[2:01:47]
this or thought about
[2:01:48]
implementing it and then shied
[2:01:50]
away from it. It does show
[2:01:51]
that there's an opportunity
[2:01:52]
for us here to take advantage
[2:01:54]
of this. But to do it right.
[2:01:57]
And in a way when it doesn't
[2:01:57]
disrupt the work flows that
[2:02:01]
already progress. So I think
[2:02:01]
that's in line with what I've
[2:02:03]
heard from rest of my
[2:02:04]
colleagues that, yes, we're
[2:02:05]
absolutely interested in going
[2:02:07]
forward. This. It sounds like
[2:02:10]
there might be a spot away
[2:02:11]
arrive a time frame. We can
[2:02:13]
plug this into in 2027 in a
[2:02:14]
way that doesn't disrupt
[2:02:16]
existing high priority
[2:02:17]
projects. I'm certainly in
[2:02:21]
favor of seeing that with
[2:02:24]
careful attention the the
[2:02:25]
planning ordinances, the
[2:02:29]
requirements to go into sb 10
[2:02:30]
to make sure that does a lot
[2:02:31]
of good things for the city
[2:02:32]
doesn't doesn't create
[2:02:36]
unexpected problems. And with
[2:02:39]
that with what you done. A lot
[2:02:41]
of work already owns entire
[2:02:42]
team on this. What are their
[2:02:42]
what their clarification can
[2:02:47]
we offer?
[2:02:49]
>> Thank you, mayor. That
[2:02:50]
feedback is incredibly
[2:02:51]
helpful. So really what I'm
[2:02:52]
hearing is the consensus of a
[2:02:55]
very targeted approach that
[2:02:59]
factors in affordability and
[2:03:00]
factors and the environmental
[2:03:01]
hazard areas. And looking at
[2:03:02]
that as potentially the
[2:03:05]
parameters, what would be
[2:03:06]
helpful, obviously, as this
[2:03:08]
moves forward, we will honor
[2:03:09]
existing priorities. There
[2:03:10]
will be other touch points
[2:03:11]
with the council to get
[2:03:13]
feedback on these pieces. But
[2:03:16]
what would be helpful is sb 10
[2:03:18]
can allow 10 units or less if
[2:03:20]
we want staff to move forward
[2:03:21]
with focusing on 10 units or
[2:03:22]
looking at last, that would be
[2:03:25]
helpful. And if there's any
[2:03:26]
other targeted approach where
[2:03:28]
we want to remove specific
[2:03:29]
areas, shrinking down the
[2:03:30]
boundary, that is the maps
[2:03:34]
that we showed earlier would
[2:03:35]
help immensely if there's
[2:03:36]
other any other concepts and
[2:03:38]
those can be simply focus on
[2:03:40]
transit corridors. They can be
[2:03:41]
areas where this density
[2:03:43]
really makes more sense to the
[2:03:45]
council and that will help us
[2:03:47]
better understand the level of
[2:03:48]
effort that goes into this.
[2:03:49]
I'm also hearing that
[2:03:50]
objective design standards are
[2:03:51]
needed so that will help.
[2:03:52]
Those will be sb 10 specific
[2:03:56]
objective design standards.
[2:03:57]
The department is moving
[2:03:58]
forward with that exercise
[2:03:58]
anyway. So that will be a tag
[2:04:02]
on to that. But any more
[2:04:03]
information about those
[2:04:05]
restrictions that help us form
[2:04:06]
the sub so we can bring it
[2:04:08]
back is a more robust package
[2:04:09]
where the council can provide
[2:04:09]
more feedback prior to
[2:04:11]
adoption would be helpful.
[2:04:17]
Thoughts from the group.
[2:04:19]
>> Obviously, I always have
[2:04:20]
concerns about fire impacted
[2:04:21]
areas and abilities to
[2:04:23]
evacuate. When there's further
[2:04:27]
density it's coming from a
[2:04:27]
community that has exactly 3
[2:04:31]
ways to get out for around
[2:04:32]
1700 homes, that something
[2:04:33]
that is always front of mind.
[2:04:36]
So I think taking that into a
[2:04:37]
cow is areas that MAY not be
[2:04:40]
the best. I think obviously we
[2:04:42]
do have our downtown
[2:04:44]
stationary plans that
[2:04:45]
stationary plans would be, you
[2:04:48]
know, ideal areas to focus on
[2:04:48]
preliminarily because that's
[2:04:49]
where we've already decided.
[2:04:50]
We want density in are doing
[2:04:52]
whatever we can so I think
[2:04:54]
those areas would be some of
[2:04:57]
the first to look at. I know
[2:05:01]
we're talking about fraud.
[2:05:03]
Geographic areas. But, you
[2:05:04]
know, that's kind of those are
[2:05:08]
kind of my thoughts. And you
[2:05:08]
know, that's that's targeted
[2:05:09]
areas or target areas to focus
[2:05:10]
on targeted areas to not focus
[2:05:21]
on. Yeah, I think. The that we
[2:05:22]
concept is important but also
[2:05:23]
areas that have been firing
[2:05:25]
back to before could be fired
[2:05:27]
impacted. I mean, just because
[2:05:28]
somebody is it in the just get
[2:05:29]
something across the street
[2:05:30]
from the we doesn't mean that
[2:05:31]
it's gonna make it any easier
[2:05:31]
for them evacuate or be safe
[2:05:33]
during a wildfire or some
[2:05:35]
other sort of incident. As
[2:05:41]
Rodgers.
[2:05:41]
>> Implementation not being
[2:05:42]
able to go back. Quick
[2:05:48]
question. If we targeted like
[2:05:51]
downtown. Are we able to fix?
[2:05:51]
>> Bandit moving forward. I
[2:05:54]
know we can take it back once
[2:05:56]
we implement it. But can we?
[2:05:59]
And it's so can we say? This
[2:06:01]
is where we want to focus now.
[2:06:01]
Okay. This is going great. Why
[2:06:05]
don't we try to? Look at this
[2:06:06]
area are look at this area.
[2:06:07]
Are we stuck with what we
[2:06:13]
initially? Thank you for the
[2:06:16]
question. The rezoning.
[2:06:20]
Without sequel review has to
[2:06:21]
be adopted prior to that
[2:06:26]
JANUARY 2029 sunset date. So
[2:06:26]
option up until that point to
[2:06:31]
expand. But then pass that we
[2:06:32]
would have to go through that.
[2:06:33]
The typical sequel review
[2:06:37]
process to increase capacity.
[2:06:42]
MR. Donald. So I'm in
[2:06:45]
agreement council member
[2:06:46]
Christie that.
[2:06:48]
>> Areas that are near
[2:06:49]
transit, build housing that in
[2:06:49]
the downtown area. Those all
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make sense to me. I think
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there's also probably a way
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you can look at lot size and
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what would be allowable on the
[2:07:01]
size of your lot because sb 10
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doesn't specify lot size and
[2:07:05]
that could potentially help us
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It's an appropriate amount of
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housing based on lot size. And
[2:07:11]
I would probably just look to
[2:07:12]
your expertise of what would
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be appropriate based on some
[2:07:19]
of areas and in our downtown
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are around in areas that make
[2:07:21]
sense to do something like
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this I'm not as afraid of if
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it's actually working in
[2:07:28]
jurisdictions start to do
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this. I'm not as afraid of the
[2:07:31]
sunset debt deadline because I
[2:07:33]
feel like the state would then
[2:07:35]
say will keep doing this if
[2:07:37]
it's working. So I'm not as
[2:07:38]
worried about that cutoff line
[2:07:41]
of us having to meet that 2029
[2:07:45]
and more concerned about fire
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zones, flood zones and
[2:07:48]
evacuation routes at that
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should all be part of your
[2:07:51]
design standards, sort of the
[2:07:54]
implementation and I think
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that pretty much covers it for
[2:07:58]
me. As far as the willingness
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to move forward. Very targeted
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for me would be important. I
[2:08:02]
think it's just for the
[2:08:07]
safety. MRS.
[2:08:08]
>> Game one when it comes to
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downtown Santa Rosa and the
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policy that we currently have
[2:08:13]
place. How close are we to
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reaching the level of this sb
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10?
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>> So in the downtown,
[2:08:25]
depending on the lots and
[2:08:27]
Jessica to chime in. If I MISS
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Categorize this is that in
[2:08:30]
most scenarios the developers
[2:08:31]
can achieve densities that are
[2:08:34]
greater than the 10 units. So
[2:08:36]
they the the ability the
[2:08:37]
usefulness of sb 10 in that
[2:08:39]
area because other options
[2:08:40]
exist that allow developers to
[2:08:44]
do more than what sb 10 allows
[2:08:44]
wouldn't necessarily. We
[2:08:45]
wouldn't necessarily see that
[2:08:46]
is the most beneficial tool in
[2:08:50]
the tool box. As far as the
[2:08:51]
overall densities that are
[2:08:52]
allowed under the downtown
[2:08:53]
station area plan. So really,
[2:08:55]
our density capture what we
[2:08:57]
planned for. I don't have the
[2:08:59]
total numbers on hand, but we
[2:09:00]
have a significant number of
[2:09:00]
units planned for that haven't
[2:09:03]
generated downtown yet. And
[2:09:04]
that really that exercise of
[2:09:06]
understanding how we can build
[2:09:08]
that capacity. So sb 10 can
[2:09:09]
obviously grow towards that
[2:09:11]
and it could be potentially a
[2:09:12]
tool that individuals use, you
[2:09:14]
know, especially if it has a
[2:09:16]
streamlined process. But
[2:09:17]
really where we see it being
[2:09:18]
beneficial as where there
[2:09:19]
isn't one tool box that can
[2:09:19]
already get them to the 10
[2:09:21]
units. So so with that being
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said,
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>> I would definitely see how
[2:09:26]
it could be beneficial to
[2:09:27]
downtown for those cite
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specific. Places where were
[2:09:33]
issues are being had to reach
[2:09:35]
at least the 10 number. But
[2:09:38]
looking at that urban areas, I
[2:09:40]
could see how. Development
[2:09:49]
could be. Almost to spectrum
[2:09:49]
because one thing close
[2:09:51]
attentions, long term, the
[2:09:54]
city of Santa Rosa's to infill
[2:09:56]
and and seeing that that.
[2:09:59]
>> That amount housing weather
[2:10:02]
isn't that amount of
[2:10:03]
infrastructure could
[2:10:03]
definitely lead to loss of
[2:10:06]
quality of life for Rosen's.
[2:10:08]
So for me being that this is a
[2:10:12]
tool. And it comes
[2:10:12]
responsibility. Would
[2:10:15]
definitely suppose on on
[2:10:18]
transit areas. And really more
[2:10:19]
towards the center. Santa
[2:10:22]
Rosa. While protecting our
[2:10:24]
outskirts and urban areas is
[2:10:25]
how I see the that will be
[2:10:29]
used in a and respectful way.
[2:10:34]
Even further more, the Spurs
[2:10:35]
spent of the permits or
[2:10:37]
allowances for this to be use
[2:10:39]
throughout the city of Santa
[2:10:41]
Rosa. Historically southwest
[2:10:42]
Rosa. Not not let some like
[2:10:44]
the town crier, but a lot of
[2:10:46]
the social issues have been
[2:10:47]
pushed towards the west side
[2:10:48]
of Santa Rosa and I want and
[2:10:51]
how we can disperse that. And
[2:10:52]
to the entire city of Santa
[2:10:55]
Rosa and again. Having already
[2:10:57]
participate in the growth, the
[2:11:06]
future growth of senators.
[2:11:06]
Thank you. Other thoughts from
[2:11:09]
council now on. One least one
[2:11:11]
clarifying question for me
[2:11:13]
with all the work that that
[2:11:14]
your team did on the missing
[2:11:16]
middle housing or we had to
[2:11:16]
get where you had to go
[2:11:18]
through and identify areas of
[2:11:19]
the city, current residential
[2:11:21]
areas that might.
[2:11:22]
>> Benefit from or at least
[2:11:24]
allow significant additional
[2:11:26]
density has that does that
[2:11:27]
give you a sense of where the
[2:11:30]
areas of opportunity might
[2:11:31]
We've named some of the
[2:11:31]
obvious ones here in terms of
[2:11:32]
transit corridors, downtown
[2:11:35]
station, cetera. But is there
[2:11:36]
a sense from the work that
[2:11:38]
we've done with our housing
[2:11:40]
policies here in the recent
[2:11:42]
past. Are there areas
[2:11:43]
opportunity that might make
[2:11:49]
sense for sb 10?
[2:11:51]
>> Yes, I think there are good
[2:11:54]
models when looking at missing
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or we can fall back on basic
[2:11:57]
planning procedures and
[2:11:57]
protocols for identifying
[2:12:00]
where density goes in really
[2:12:01]
missing. Middle looks at a
[2:12:03]
very strategic approach of how
[2:12:04]
from an equity standpoint,
[2:12:06]
diverse and diversify through
[2:12:06]
multiple neighborhoods. So how
[2:12:09]
do you incorporate that in?
[2:12:10]
And as many of the points made
[2:12:11]
many of the missing middle
[2:12:13]
housing that we have now is
[2:12:14]
just organically developed
[2:12:15]
over many years with really
[2:12:18]
not much planning going in and
[2:12:19]
trying to force that into an
[2:12:20]
area where it hasn't grown
[2:12:21]
that way over the last few
[2:12:22]
years can be a little
[2:12:25]
problematic but I do think
[2:12:26]
that there are some learning
[2:12:27]
lessons there and we can use
[2:12:28]
that as feedback on guidance
[2:12:30]
on how we would form sb 10
[2:12:33]
proposal. I'm certainly open
[2:12:34]
to staff feedback on in
[2:12:35]
addition to the areas that
[2:12:36]
we've named other areas in the
[2:12:37]
city that would be that would
[2:12:39]
make good candidates based on
[2:12:39]
the significant expiration.
[2:12:41]
That city's already down.
[2:12:42]
>> Other thoughts from
[2:12:48]
council. All right. Well, of
[2:12:50]
any in any additional
[2:12:51]
clarification what is there,
[2:12:51]
any additional clarification
[2:12:52]
will be helpful from your
[2:12:55]
sign?
[2:12:56]
>> I know, mayor, I think that
[2:12:58]
is hopeful. We will explore 10
[2:12:59]
units as the number we will
[2:13:02]
explore cap options. It is
[2:13:02]
very helpful to get some
[2:13:04]
feedback on the area. We will
[2:13:08]
use that piece that together
[2:13:09]
under the existing priorities.
[2:13:11]
As I mentioned, we do have
[2:13:12]
potentially a gap come summer.
[2:13:14]
So we'll start putting this on
[2:13:16]
program. And as I mentioned,
[2:13:18]
this likely is bringing it
[2:13:19]
back to council for further
[2:13:20]
guidance as staff can farm up
[2:13:21]
in more detail recommendation
[2:13:22]
of how this would roll out.
[2:13:24]
Excellent. Thank you. MRS.
[2:13:26]
Yes, thank you for allowing me
[2:13:26]
question. Going back to the
[2:13:29]
issue of affordability. And I
[2:13:32]
understand that there be
[2:13:32]
incentives.
[2:13:34]
>> To assure that developers
[2:13:36]
produce affordable housing.
[2:13:37]
But is there anything less
[2:13:44]
legally by I will defer to our
[2:13:48]
city attorney on that.
[2:13:49]
>> Thank I mean, the law
[2:13:52]
itself doesn't mandate any low
[2:13:53]
income restrictions, but we as
[2:13:56]
a local jurisdiction, could
[2:13:58]
choose to attach our own
[2:13:59]
inclusionary zoning or other
[2:14:00]
affordability requirements.
[2:14:04]
When we come back with this.
[2:14:07]
Housing So yes, we can.
[2:14:08]
>> I will know to see being
[2:14:10]
exercised in the development
[2:14:11]
of any housing really in the
[2:14:16]
city of senators.
[2:14:18]
>> Thank Final final question
[2:14:19]
from the days before we let
[2:14:23]
you go. If we move as we move
[2:14:24]
forward with looking adopt
[2:14:25]
with looking at this
[2:14:26]
additional ordinance, where
[2:14:28]
does this put us in terms of
[2:14:31]
California cities in terms of
[2:14:32]
aggressiveness of housing
[2:14:38]
policies?
[2:14:40]
>> That's a great question. We
[2:14:40]
are currently in the process
[2:14:43]
of working on our per housing
[2:14:45]
application to the state. As
[2:14:46]
we proceed with that, I think
[2:14:50]
we we are still I'm one of the
[2:14:51]
top jurisdictions in moving
[2:14:52]
forward with housing
[2:14:55]
initiatives, but we can bring
[2:14:58]
a more informed information on
[2:14:58]
that. Once we've got housing
[2:14:59]
designation, application form
[2:15:02]
lies with the state.
[2:15:03]
>> very diplomatic answer. Is
[2:15:05]
it? Is it fair to say that we
[2:15:08]
are among the very top tier of
[2:15:09]
how of jurisdictions in the
[2:15:10]
state with respect to how many
[2:15:11]
how many policies we put into
[2:15:15]
place to encourage housing.
[2:15:16]
>> Based on my conversations
[2:15:17]
with other jurisdictions, that
[2:15:19]
is a fair statement. All
[2:15:19]
right. We'll come back with a
[2:15:20]
hard number. Again, for that
[2:15:21]
for the members of the public
[2:15:22]
who are here listening are for
[2:15:24]
words for those online.
[2:15:25]
>> We do underline how much
[2:15:26]
how much the city of Santa
[2:15:27]
Rosa has done has missed close
[2:15:30]
indicated since 2019 and how
[2:15:33]
we are. We are leading the way
[2:15:35]
to my was MR. Stanley's point
[2:15:38]
it in terms of looking at this
[2:15:39]
ordinance we are bringing
[2:15:39]
we're putting every tool can
[2:15:41]
door to a box. Thank you all.
[2:15:46]
>> All right. With we will
[2:15:49]
move on to our very are are
[2:15:49]
very patient community members
[2:15:53]
who are here to celebrate
[2:15:53]
their our family Court
[2:15:54]
awareness Month. So we're
[2:15:57]
gonna jump ahead to item 7.1.
[2:15:58]
>> this is a proclamation in
[2:15:59]
honor of Family Court
[2:16:01]
awareness Month and I'm going
[2:16:01]
to turn it over to Ms Rogers
[2:16:11]
to read the proclamation.
[2:16:12]
>> Whereas the Mission of
[2:16:14]
Family Court Awareness Month
[2:16:15]
is to highlight the need to
[2:16:17]
prioritize child safety in
[2:16:20]
family court. And whereas an
[2:16:22]
estimated 58 1000 children in
[2:16:24]
the United States ordered into
[2:16:26]
unsupervised contact with
[2:16:27]
abusive parents each year
[2:16:30]
resulting in nearly 1000
[2:16:31]
children murder during these
[2:16:35]
visitations since 2008. And
[2:16:35]
whereas the mission of Family
[2:16:41]
Court awareness Month and in
[2:16:42]
is to promote judicial
[2:16:43]
education that would include
[2:16:46]
training in domestic violence,
[2:16:50]
child abuse, childhood trauma,
[2:16:52]
coercive control imposed
[2:16:53]
separation abuse for all
[2:16:54]
professionals involved in
[2:16:57]
family court cases. And
[2:16:59]
whereas Family Court Awareness
[2:17:02]
Month aims to inspire
[2:17:03]
collaboration among
[2:17:04]
legislators, advocates
[2:17:05]
professionals in the community
[2:17:07]
to improve family court
[2:17:09]
practice ensuring they are
[2:17:12]
guided by evidence based
[2:17:12]
research prioritize the safety
[2:17:13]
and best interest of our
[2:17:16]
children. Now, therefore, MAY
[2:17:20]
be resolved. That marks tapped
[2:17:22]
the mayor of the city of Santa
[2:17:25]
Rosa on behalf of the entire
[2:17:26]
center the City Council in
[2:17:27]
recognition of our community
[2:17:30]
do hereby proclaim NOVEMBER
[2:17:31]
2026. To be Family Court
[2:17:40]
awareness month.
[2:17:41]
>> Thank you very much. And do
[2:17:41]
we have Emily stuff? Learn
[2:17:48]
County Rodriguez here. We by
[2:17:49]
no means a few words yet
[2:17:50]
coming down from grab one of
[2:17:51]
those microphones that works,
[2:17:52]
that works. Come on. Come on
[2:17:55]
down. Thank you for coming out
[2:18:00]
tonight. Thank thank you. Dean
[2:18:12]
of returning on the mic.
[2:18:13]
>> Good evening and thank you
[2:18:14]
to the center of City Council
[2:18:15]
for recognizing NOVEMBER is
[2:18:17]
Family Court awareness month.
[2:18:19]
My name is Emily Stepler and
[2:18:19]
I'm a domestic violence
[2:18:20]
survivor and advocate for
[2:18:23]
family court reform. Family
[2:18:24]
Court Awareness Month was
[2:18:26]
created in 2020 by teen U.S.
[2:18:28]
Women, founder of one mom's
[2:18:30]
battle. The goal of Family
[2:18:30]
Court Awareness Month is to
[2:18:32]
shine a spotlight on systemic
[2:18:32]
issues that are placing
[2:18:36]
children in harm's way
[2:18:36]
following domestic violence
[2:18:37]
awareness Month in OCTOBER,
[2:18:38]
many survivors and up in
[2:18:40]
family court. It's also where
[2:18:42]
too many children are placed
[2:18:43]
back into unsafe situations
[2:18:44]
due to a lack of understanding
[2:18:47]
about abuse, trauma and
[2:18:48]
coercive control. Reality that
[2:18:48]
far too many families face and
[2:18:52]
silence. For the past 7 years
[2:18:53]
I've been navigating what is
[2:18:54]
considered a high conflict
[2:18:55]
family court case while trying
[2:18:58]
to protect my children. Family
[2:18:59]
court professionals often
[2:19:02]
misinterpret course of course,
[2:19:03]
of control you to a conflict
[2:19:05]
between parents overlook
[2:19:06]
patterns of abuse and
[2:19:07]
mistakenly characterize
[2:19:08]
protective parents response as
[2:19:10]
hostility or an unwillingness
[2:19:12]
to co-parent over the years
[2:19:13]
I've been court ordered to
[2:19:13]
attend co-parenting therapy
[2:19:16]
with my abuser on multiple
[2:19:17]
occasions. Our first
[2:19:18]
experience was in 2020 at the
[2:19:20]
time. My abuser had only
[2:19:22]
recently been granted
[2:19:23]
unsupervised visitation and
[2:19:25]
was also under court orders to
[2:19:26]
attend individual therapy and
[2:19:26]
submit to regular hair
[2:19:30]
follicle drug testing. Despite
[2:19:30]
the circumstances are
[2:19:31]
co-parenting therapist began
[2:19:32]
our very first session by
[2:19:34]
instructing us to develop
[2:19:34]
parenting plan based on a
[2:19:37]
fifty-fifty custody
[2:19:38]
arrangement and have it ready
[2:19:40]
our next appointment. I
[2:19:41]
remember feeling completely
[2:19:42]
overwhelmed. I had spent so
[2:19:44]
much time raising concerns
[2:19:45]
about my children's safety,
[2:19:45]
their father's abusive
[2:19:47]
behavior and his mental
[2:19:49]
health. Yeah, I was now being
[2:19:51]
asked asked to approach our
[2:19:52]
situation is that we were to
[2:19:52]
equally capable. Parents
[2:19:53]
simply struggling to get
[2:19:55]
along. I was deeply
[2:19:57]
uncomfortable with the
[2:19:58]
assigned assignment, but I was
[2:19:59]
also afraid to question it
[2:19:59]
would make me appear and
[2:20:00]
cooperate in the eyes of the
[2:20:02]
court. A few years later, we
[2:20:03]
were ordered to attend
[2:20:06]
co-parenting therapy again, I
[2:20:07]
went into the experience,
[2:20:07]
hopeful that this new
[2:20:08]
therapist would recognize the
[2:20:10]
dynamics of our situation and
[2:20:11]
understand that what we were
[2:20:12]
dealing with was not simply
[2:20:13]
communication problem between
[2:20:15]
2 parents. Unfortunately, that
[2:20:19]
wasn't the case. During our
[2:20:20]
sessions maybe use are engaged
[2:20:21]
and verbally abusive behavior
[2:20:21]
at the therapist did not
[2:20:23]
report these incidents to the
[2:20:25]
court. Our time with this
[2:20:25]
therapist was ultimately
[2:20:27]
short-lived as maybe users
[2:20:28]
stopped paying his portion of
[2:20:29]
the sessions and began sending
[2:20:29]
threatening messages directly
[2:20:32]
to the therapist at that point
[2:20:33]
that their cause became
[2:20:35]
fearful for their own safety
[2:20:35]
and wanted nothing further to
[2:20:36]
do with our case and refused
[2:20:37]
to report any of what had
[2:20:40]
occurred to the court. What I
[2:20:41]
found particularly concerning
[2:20:43]
was that as professional who
[2:20:44]
had personally experienced the
[2:20:45]
threatening behavior that I
[2:20:46]
have been describing for years
[2:20:47]
was now unwilling to bring
[2:20:48]
that information to the
[2:20:51]
courts. Attention. This
[2:20:52]
behavior was not an isolated
[2:20:55]
incident. Over the Bees or
[2:20:58]
threatening and intimidating
[2:20:59]
extended to attorneys court
[2:20:59]
and bailiffs and even judges
[2:21:01]
involved in our case. I can't
[2:21:02]
help but feel that it was it
[2:21:04]
wasn't until his abusive
[2:21:04]
behavior began affecting very
[2:21:05]
professionals involved in our
[2:21:08]
case. That what I had been
[2:21:09]
experiencing reporting for
[2:21:09]
your starting started to be
[2:21:13]
taken seriously. Co-parenting
[2:21:14]
therapy and family court
[2:21:17]
cannot resolve dynamic.
[2:21:18]
Dynamic rooted in
[2:21:19]
intimidation, fear and control
[2:21:19]
simply by asking both parents
[2:21:22]
to communicate better when
[2:21:24]
there's an ongoing pattern of
[2:21:25]
abuse treating both parties as
[2:21:25]
equally responsible for the
[2:21:28]
conflict or it risks
[2:21:28]
perpetuating the very harm.
[2:21:29]
The court is supposed to
[2:21:32]
prevent. For survivors of
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domestic violence. The
[2:21:34]
courtroom can become another
[2:21:35]
place where abuse continues
[2:21:36]
long after the relationship
[2:21:39]
ended. This is why recognizing
[2:21:40]
post separation abuse,
[2:21:41]
including the potential misuse
[2:21:43]
of legal proceedings as a
[2:21:44]
means of maintaining control
[2:21:46]
is so critically important.
[2:21:47]
This proclamation is more than
[2:21:50]
symbolic its a step toward
[2:21:51]
awareness, accountability and
[2:21:52]
change. It shines a light on
[2:21:54]
the urgent need to prioritize
[2:21:54]
child safety in every
[2:21:55]
courtroom. In every decision.
[2:22:00]
Every time. Thank you.
[2:22:01]
Mustipher. Thank you for being
[2:22:02]
willing share your story. And
[2:22:06]
is it MISS Rodriguez? Thanks
[2:22:06]
him.
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>> so. Welcome. Did you? Did
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you have a statement Did
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please, by all means will turn
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will turn the mic Thank you.
[2:22:18]
Good evening. My name is Kanye
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Rodriguez.
[2:22:19]
>> And I'm here today as the
[2:22:20]
Sonoma County mother who
[2:22:21]
endured a fearful experience
[2:22:21]
no parent should ever have to
[2:22:28]
face. On 6/18/2017, I called
[2:22:28]
law enforcement agencies
[2:22:29]
searching for my daughter,
[2:22:30]
Julianna. In mice and to link
[2:22:34]
a mayor. Who had not been
[2:22:35]
returned to me after spending
[2:22:35]
Father's Day with their
[2:22:38]
father. The following morning
[2:22:41]
on JUNE 19th police officers
[2:22:42]
and for me that my daughter
[2:22:43]
and son had been murdered by
[2:22:44]
their father before he took
[2:22:47]
his own life in his apartment.
[2:22:50]
During our custody mediation.
[2:22:51]
I spoke about harassment and
[2:22:53]
alcoholism that were occurring
[2:22:54]
and I checked the box
[2:22:59]
indicating domestic violence.
[2:23:00]
No translator was requested or
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needed during our mediation.
[2:23:04]
Just days before the tragedy,
[2:23:06]
I stood before a judge at my
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first and only court
[2:23:10]
appearance. A temporary child
[2:23:12]
custody order was being put
[2:23:13]
into place? Well, I raise my
[2:23:16]
voice. Stating I wasn't
[2:23:18]
leaving the courtroom without
[2:23:20]
something in writing to
[2:23:20]
protect myself and my children
[2:23:21]
for my strange husband's
[2:23:24]
erratic behavior. He stood
[2:23:26]
next to requested a translator
[2:23:26]
which the court could not
[2:23:30]
provide that day. As a result,
[2:23:33]
my concerns are left unheard
[2:23:34]
until are postponed. Hearing
[2:23:38]
the following month. I was in
[2:23:39]
an emotionally abusive
[2:23:41]
marriage for nearly 8 years. I
[2:23:43]
felt bound to stay out of
[2:23:44]
fear. What might transpire if
[2:23:47]
I finally there to leave. Post
[2:23:48]
separation abuses and spoken
[2:23:52]
about enough. For many
[2:23:52]
survivors. That abuse doesn't
[2:23:53]
end when the relationship
[2:23:57]
does. It often escalates. Not
[2:24:00]
only in my experience, but in
[2:24:01]
the countless experiences of
[2:24:04]
those in this room and beyond.
[2:24:05]
Voices often struggle to be
[2:24:08]
heard when there is no
[2:24:09]
accountability for false
[2:24:10]
statements used to gain
[2:24:10]
control within the family
[2:24:14]
court system. I hope for
[2:24:15]
Family Court Awareness Month
[2:24:17]
is that it gives everyone a
[2:24:18]
safe platform to be heard
[2:24:22]
regardless of gender. That it
[2:24:23]
raises awareness for the many
[2:24:25]
forms of domestic abuse shared
[2:24:29]
by stories. That acknowledges
[2:24:29]
the need for meaningful
[2:24:34]
reform. Most importantly that
[2:24:35]
we can unite in collaboration
[2:24:36]
to prioritize the safety of
[2:24:41]
innocent children. No amount
[2:24:43]
of words can begin to convey
[2:24:44]
the heartbreak and Boyd that
[2:24:48]
remain within me. We cannot
[2:24:48]
change what happened to my
[2:24:52]
children. But we can work
[2:24:52]
together to help change what
[2:24:56]
happens to other families. My
[2:24:57]
voice is that of a parent
[2:25:02]
silence by abuse. Thank you.
[2:25:07]
>> Thank you as well. We are.
[2:25:08]
We want want to bring you down
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and take take a photo here in
[2:25:10]
front. Thank you again, so
[2:25:13]
much for coming out tonight.
[2:25:15]
First opened up to the public.
[2:25:15]
Are there any are there any
[2:25:16]
members of public hearing
[2:25:17]
Council chambers that wish to
[2:25:22]
make a comment? Go online?
[2:25:23]
Lord, is there anybody online
[2:25:24]
her hand raised anyone who's
[2:25:24]
down? Start on.
[2:25:28]
>> That's a negative mayor.
[2:25:29]
Thank you very much. Alright
[2:25:30]
county. Emily, if you would,
[2:25:30]
you would you come up with a
[2:25:44]
take a photo.
[2:27:20]
County. Thank
[2:27:27]
you. Once again. We are going
[2:27:34]
to go on. 2 pilots were
[2:27:34]
anywhere are statements
[2:27:35]
abstention or before we get
[2:27:36]
they the heart of our program
[2:27:38]
this evening. Are there any
[2:27:38]
statements of station are
[2:27:41]
choosing this evening? Seeing
[2:27:45]
none. For to go to our first.
[2:27:47]
Public comment non agenda
[2:27:49]
matters. So this is the chance
[2:27:50]
for members of the public to
[2:27:51]
make comment on items not
[2:27:54]
listed on the agenda. Are
[2:27:55]
there any members of the
[2:27:56]
public hearing Council
[2:27:57]
chambers who wish to make any
[2:27:58]
comment on items not list on
[2:28:01]
our agenda. Seeing none. We'll
[2:28:04]
go online. Warren, is there
[2:28:05]
anybody online with her hand
[2:28:06]
raised or there's anyone out
[2:28:07]
star 9?
[2:28:08]
>> They are not interested in
[2:28:10]
this item here. Thank you.
[2:28:13]
Thank you, Lauren.
[2:28:15]
>> All right. We're going to
[2:28:17]
do then why I we know that
[2:28:18]
we're we have a lot of
[2:28:19]
interest in or immigration
[2:28:21]
enforcement item. Want to get
[2:28:21]
to our public hearing first
[2:28:23]
and never really diversion
[2:28:24]
force meant. So let's move to
[2:28:27]
item 16.1. Our public hearing
[2:28:29]
related to the 2020 takes 2026
[2:28:30]
a county multi-jurisdictional
[2:28:31]
hazard mitigation plan and
[2:28:35]
city of Santa Rosa and acts.
[2:28:37]
And I believe it's MISS
[2:28:38]
Nicholson is back on the hot
[2:28:42]
seat. MR. Bregman. Welcome to
[2:28:57]
you both.
[2:29:04]
>> Good evening, mayor and
[2:29:05]
council members. We are here
[2:29:08]
today to present the 2026
[2:29:09]
Sonoma County
[2:29:11]
multi-jurisdictional Hazard
[2:29:13]
mitigation plan, which is a
[2:29:13]
mouthful, any very large
[2:29:14]
acronym is well, we try and
[2:29:17]
keep those as big as possible.
[2:29:17]
Has the emergency preparedness
[2:29:20]
manager for the city. I wanted
[2:29:21]
to just give you my
[2:29:22]
perspective on why this is a
[2:29:25]
very important plan. This plan
[2:29:27]
helps us answer 2 questions.
[2:29:28]
Where is Santa Rosa most
[2:29:31]
vulnerable? And what can we do
[2:29:33]
now to reduce harm from future
[2:29:38]
disasters? 22 jurisdictions
[2:29:39]
and partner agencies from
[2:29:41]
Sonoma County help develop the
[2:29:42]
plant plenty together. A list
[2:29:46]
polar expertise. Compare
[2:29:47]
priorities and decide what's
[2:29:49]
makes sense as far sharing
[2:29:52]
work disasters do not care
[2:29:53]
about jurisdictional lines and
[2:29:55]
many times we will need to
[2:29:56]
work with our partners on
[2:30:00]
mitigation projects. The plan
[2:30:02]
also allowed us to collaborate
[2:30:04]
not just on hazard mitigation,
[2:30:06]
but many other things with 22
[2:30:08]
jurisdictions. It allows yet
[2:30:09]
another opportunity to work
[2:30:10]
with our colleagues and think
[2:30:12]
about what is necessary to
[2:30:14]
reduce risk for Santa Rosa
[2:30:14]
residents, citizens and
[2:30:20]
visitors. Santa Rosa help
[2:30:20]
develop this plan with the
[2:30:21]
county right process that
[2:30:23]
included 10 meetings where the
[2:30:27]
public can weigh in. We hosted
[2:30:27]
the county and our regional
[2:30:29]
partners at Family Center help
[2:30:32]
convene a regional online
[2:30:33]
session and took part in the
[2:30:34]
Hazard Mitigation, working
[2:30:37]
group. The County Wide Survey
[2:30:38]
which was open from OCTOBER
[2:30:40]
through NOVEMBER of last year,
[2:30:43]
got 580 responses. And we've
[2:30:44]
tried to address every single
[2:30:47]
one of those. Over the next 5
[2:30:48]
years will use the plan to
[2:30:50]
decide which projects we
[2:30:51]
should develop. What we can
[2:30:52]
invest in and how to track
[2:30:56]
progress. Council's adoption
[2:30:56]
also helps us with something
[2:30:59]
very significant. Important.
[2:31:00]
Fema requires this plan's
[2:31:01]
adoption in order to get any
[2:31:04]
hazard mitigation grant along
[2:31:05]
with many other federal grant.
[2:31:07]
It is a rough first
[2:31:07]
requirement at the top of
[2:31:08]
their box of things that have
[2:31:14]
to be checked. So with that. I
[2:31:14]
emphasize that this is a
[2:31:15]
important plan, but it is a
[2:31:17]
mitigation, forward-looking
[2:31:19]
plan that has many projects
[2:31:19]
that MAY not necessarily be
[2:31:21]
capable of being funded by the
[2:31:24]
city. It's just everything
[2:31:25]
that we think should be done.
[2:31:27]
And with that for
[2:31:29]
presentation, turn over to
[2:31:30]
Amy. Thank you so much, Neil.
[2:31:33]
And good afternoon, mayor and.
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>> Good evening, mayor and
[2:31:35]
council members. A Munich
[2:31:41]
Wilson. I'm gonna go through
[2:31:42]
this presentation quickly
[2:31:43]
were, of course happy to
[2:31:45]
answer any questions that you
[2:31:46]
might have. So as Neil
[2:31:48]
described a hazard mitigation
[2:31:50]
plan is a strategy for
[2:31:51]
reducing impacts of natural
[2:31:55]
disasters. It looks at the
[2:31:57]
hazards that were most
[2:31:58]
vulnerable to and identifies
[2:31:59]
the city's existing
[2:32:01]
capabilities to respond to
[2:32:03]
those and actions that we can
[2:32:03]
take to reduce risks in the
[2:32:07]
future. As Neil mention, the
[2:32:09]
plan also helps the city to
[2:32:10]
qualify for additional fema
[2:32:11]
grant funding, which is
[2:32:13]
critical for many of our
[2:32:15]
planned capital improvement
[2:32:16]
projects to reduce impacts of
[2:32:20]
hazards. The plan is comprised
[2:32:22]
of 2 volumes. The first is
[2:32:25]
just the county at large and
[2:32:27]
all that we have in common is
[2:32:30]
jurisdictions. The second
[2:32:30]
volume includes an ex is
[2:32:32]
specific to jurisdictions. The
[2:32:36]
city of Santa Rosa Chapter 8.
[2:32:37]
This plan is reviewed by fema
[2:32:41]
and the California. Governor's
[2:32:42]
Office of Emergency Services,
[2:32:43]
which is the California
[2:32:49]
Department. They have provided
[2:32:51]
their technical review ahead
[2:32:52]
of council's adoption. And the
[2:32:54]
final step would be fema's
[2:32:56]
final approval following
[2:33:01]
council's action this evening.
[2:33:01]
The Hazard Mitigation Plan has
[2:33:02]
numerous goals that are shown
[2:33:06]
here on the slide. First and
[2:33:08]
foremost is protecting people
[2:33:09]
and minimizing damages 2
[2:33:13]
properties as well as our
[2:33:14]
local economy and continuing
[2:33:17]
to protect the environment
[2:33:17]
through Our actions as
[2:33:24]
possible. The Santa Rosa Annex
[2:33:26]
does include a center is a
[2:33:30]
specific hazard risk table.
[2:33:31]
The highest risk hazards, as
[2:33:32]
you MAY imagine. Earthquake
[2:33:37]
and wildfire. And factors.
[2:33:38]
Generating these high medium
[2:33:44]
and low risks. Relate to. The
[2:33:46]
number of people and buildings
[2:33:47]
that are with in areas where
[2:33:49]
these hazards are more likely
[2:33:51]
the probability of those
[2:33:53]
hazards occurring and then the
[2:33:53]
existing mitigation
[2:33:54]
capabilities that the city
[2:33:58]
has. Climate change is also
[2:34:00]
considered and this risk
[2:34:02]
assessment as there are some
[2:34:03]
hazards that are more likely
[2:34:03]
to increase based on changes
[2:34:09]
to our climate. Much of the
[2:34:13]
city's jurisdictional annex is
[2:34:15]
inclusive of our mitigation
[2:34:18]
strategies. So there are 28
[2:34:19]
actions that specifically
[2:34:22]
address each of our hazard
[2:34:27]
areas. As Neil mentioned. This
[2:34:29]
is a document that really at
[2:34:31]
references other items that
[2:34:32]
the council the public are
[2:34:33]
familiar with. So the
[2:34:34]
greenhouse gas reduction
[2:34:36]
strategy, the city's capital
[2:34:37]
improvement program, the
[2:34:39]
community wildfire protection
[2:34:42]
program, each of those items
[2:34:43]
work together and help to keep
[2:34:46]
our community safer. And also
[2:34:48]
help us to meet mutual goals
[2:34:50]
at once by obtaining
[2:34:52]
additional funding that's
[2:34:53]
available from the federal
[2:34:57]
government and the state. Just
[2:34:58]
a quick note that there was
[2:35:00]
some additional language added
[2:35:04]
to this plan after the public
[2:35:06]
review period. This was based
[2:35:06]
on a request from the
[2:35:07]
California Department of Parks
[2:35:11]
that. Was eligible for some
[2:35:14]
grant funding to do some
[2:35:16]
repairs on a dam in an adult
[2:35:17]
state park. We added this
[2:35:18]
language so that they could
[2:35:20]
get all that money. And so
[2:35:22]
that highlights the importance
[2:35:23]
of having this plan and having
[2:35:25]
highlight any project that we
[2:35:29]
think can reduce impacts of
[2:35:31]
hazards. So we'll kind of a
[2:35:32]
separate reference to that
[2:35:33]
language in the resolution
[2:35:38]
before you. As mentioned,
[2:35:40]
there's public and stakeholder
[2:35:41]
engagement throughout this
[2:35:44]
process. So I want run through
[2:35:48]
each one of those items. And
[2:35:50]
with that, the fire department
[2:35:52]
and planning and economic
[2:35:52]
development department
[2:35:56]
recommend that the council by
[2:35:58]
resolution adopt the volume.
[2:35:59]
Basic plan of the
[2:36:01]
multi-jurisdictional hazard
[2:36:03]
mitigation plan as well as
[2:36:04]
volume 2, which consists of
[2:36:07]
the jurisdictional annexes.
[2:36:07]
And we are happy to answer any
[2:36:11]
questions. All right. Thank
[2:36:12]
you very much. Are there any
[2:36:15]
questions from my colleagues?
[2:36:17]
>> Seeing none. We will open
[2:36:21]
the public hearing. And go to
[2:36:21]
any public comment on this
[2:36:27]
item. Seeing nobody moving in
[2:36:29]
the chambers. We will go to
[2:36:29]
zoom. Where is Let us know
[2:36:32]
anybody wants to speak?
[2:36:32]
>> Yes. If you'd like to speak
[2:36:33]
on this item, please raise
[2:36:38]
your hand. And I am seeing no
[2:36:38]
one wishing to speak on this
[2:36:42]
item.
[2:36:43]
>> Alright, with that, I'll
[2:36:43]
turn it back over to the
[2:36:53]
mayor. Okay. So that will
[2:36:54]
close the public hearing and
[2:36:54]
bring it back for a final
[2:37:02]
comments from council.
[2:37:03]
>> Thanks for calling on me. I
[2:37:04]
just want to say thank you for
[2:37:06]
the presentation and all the
[2:37:07]
work that went into outreach
[2:37:10]
on this so that we're really
[2:37:12]
hearing everything and that
[2:37:12]
the opportunity for a grand
[2:37:13]
Just want to thank you and
[2:37:14]
commend you for your work on
[2:37:16]
this more than anything. Thank
[2:37:17]
you. Anything else from
[2:37:20]
council?
[2:37:21]
>> All right. Are looking for
[2:37:24]
a motion from. Donald, stay
[2:37:28]
with you.
[2:37:28]
>> I move to adopt the
[2:37:29]
resolution as presented by
[2:37:32]
staff second. Motion and a
[2:37:35]
second by MISTER Okrepkie.
[2:37:35]
>> MADAM City Clerk, call
[2:37:41]
whenever you're ready.
[2:37:46]
>> Thank you, Mayor.
[2:37:47]
Councilmember Rogers, I
[2:37:50]
Councilmember MacDonald, my
[2:37:51]
councilmember Fleming
[2:37:52]
Councilmember Bungalows. Yes,
[2:37:53]
Councilmember Alvarez, vice
[2:37:55]
Mayor Crappie. I mayor step
[2:37:58]
yes. But the record show this
[2:37:59]
passes unanimously.
[2:38:00]
>> Thank you very much. All
[2:38:01]
right. Let's pop back up then
[2:38:05]
to item 15.2, our report on
[2:38:08]
the ordinance introduction for
[2:38:08]
the ordinance entitled the
[2:38:09]
Ordinance of the Council of
[2:38:11]
the City of Santa Rosa.
[2:38:12]
Amending chapter 13 Dash 40 of
[2:38:14]
the center is a city code to
[2:38:15]
prohibit the use of city
[2:38:16]
property to collaborate with
[2:38:16]
immigration authorities in the
[2:38:18]
enforcement, a federal civil
[2:38:20]
immigration law subject to the
[2:38:21]
chapters, existing exceptions
[2:38:22]
and resolution adopting
[2:38:23]
Council policy regarding civil
[2:38:24]
immigration enforcement and
[2:38:25]
Immigration Authority, access
[2:38:26]
to city facilities and
[2:38:32]
information. All right. And
[2:38:32]
thank you to all the members,
[2:38:35]
the community who are again in
[2:38:37]
council chambers. This has
[2:38:38]
been a an important, an
[2:38:39]
extended discussion here,
[2:38:39]
going the entire county and
[2:38:44]
certainly here in Santa Rosa.
[2:38:45]
City manager, not I'll turn it
[2:38:47]
over to or us or actually.
[2:38:47]
City City Attorney Crocker,
[2:38:50]
which weny's kicking us off. I
[2:38:51]
bear. I'll go ahead and kick
[2:38:53]
us off. Thank you very much.
[2:38:56]
>> 4 entertaining this item
[2:38:57]
this evening. As you
[2:38:58]
mentioned, I'm Jason, not I'm
[2:39:00]
the city manager, our interim
[2:39:02]
city manager. I'm joined here
[2:39:04]
at the table with City
[2:39:05]
Attorney Ashley Crocker and
[2:39:06]
Assistant City Attorney Jan
[2:39:11]
help lure and unfortunately,
[2:39:13]
our 4th colleague who is to be
[2:39:14]
here today is out ill today,
[2:39:17]
but we do Lindsay Dority for
[2:39:18]
the work that she in trying to
[2:39:20]
get this and bring it to this
[2:39:26]
point. With that said, I want
[2:39:27]
to I want to before I get too
[2:39:30]
far into this. I just want to
[2:39:32]
appreciation. There's been a
[2:39:34]
lot of work being done in in
[2:39:36]
this space over the course of
[2:39:36]
the last couple of years. I
[2:39:41]
think. City manager's office
[2:39:41]
city attorneys office has
[2:39:43]
spent quite a bit of time
[2:39:45]
looking at various various
[2:39:47]
resolutions and ordinances
[2:39:47]
that we could incorporate to
[2:39:50]
enhance and further improve
[2:39:51]
protections that we can
[2:39:52]
provide to the communities
[2:39:53]
that we serve within the city
[2:39:58]
of Santa Rosa. In doing so.
[2:40:00]
We've had recent conversations
[2:40:00]
with community members that
[2:40:03]
have been incredibly helpful.
[2:40:04]
And I really want to
[2:40:05]
appreciate the sanctuary
[2:40:07]
coalition, honestly, but at a
[2:40:09]
North Bay organizing project
[2:40:12]
for spending time folks,
[2:40:15]
folks, as we we work through a
[2:40:16]
couple of weeks ago, we got to
[2:40:17]
keep it quiet. So we keep the
[2:40:18]
meeting going. So if you don't
[2:40:20]
mind you, the dew jazz hands,
[2:40:21]
but no, no applause, no
[2:40:21]
snapping fingers and Cetera.
[2:40:22]
Thank you. Thank you for
[2:40:23]
coming.
[2:40:25]
>> manager, not back to you.
[2:40:26]
Thank you. And I want to also
[2:40:30]
say a North Bay organizing
[2:40:31]
project working closely over
[2:40:34]
the last 2 weeks as we got
[2:40:35]
further direction from council
[2:40:36]
to proceed in and get a little
[2:40:37]
bit of additional feedback on
[2:40:39]
things. Council was looking
[2:40:40]
for working with these
[2:40:43]
organizations, gave us a
[2:40:44]
little bit. Well, actually
[2:40:46]
gave us a substantial amount
[2:40:48]
of additional insight as to
[2:40:50]
what requests what concerns
[2:40:51]
and what options we might be
[2:40:55]
able to put in place that
[2:40:56]
ultimately resulted in the
[2:40:57]
actions that we're bringing
[2:40:58]
that we're bringing to you
[2:41:01]
today. With that there will be
[2:41:05]
2 actions that we're looking
[2:41:05]
talking through with council
[2:41:09]
and hoping for approvals. The
[2:41:12]
first is to implement a policy
[2:41:13]
guidance for city staff
[2:41:16]
through the course of adopting
[2:41:20]
a resolution as As we've
[2:41:22]
discussed previously,
[2:41:23]
resolutions are typically a
[2:41:24]
mechanism in a methodology for
[2:41:26]
which with which the council
[2:41:29]
creates Council oriented
[2:41:30]
policies. Those policies
[2:41:31]
affecting them are implemented
[2:41:34]
too manage and address House
[2:41:35]
staff incorporate certain
[2:41:36]
practices into their daily
[2:41:40]
work and consistent with the
[2:41:41]
attorney general's guidelines
[2:41:45]
as well as sb 580, resolution
[2:41:46]
and associated Policy does
[2:41:47]
exactly that is intended to
[2:41:51]
helped guide staff in relation
[2:41:54]
to how interact with and how
[2:41:55]
we respond to a request made
[2:41:57]
by immigration. Authorities.
[2:42:00]
The second will be a non
[2:42:01]
collaboration ordinance and
[2:42:03]
will also go into more detail
[2:42:06]
on this. The primary focus
[2:42:08]
here is to confirm and be very
[2:42:12]
clear about the status of our
[2:42:14]
collaborate. Take
[2:42:15]
collaboration, commitment. 2
[2:42:17]
interactions with immigration
[2:42:20]
authorities. And this in all
[2:42:21]
amendment to an existing
[2:42:22]
ordinance that council adopted
[2:42:26]
earlier this year and should
[2:42:29]
hopefully clarify the the
[2:42:30]
direction that we heard from
[2:42:35]
council and the community to
[2:42:36]
improve our improve our
[2:42:36]
statement of non
[2:42:41]
collaboration. Fairly quickly
[2:42:42]
wanting to walk through the
[2:42:45]
council policies. I'm not
[2:42:47]
going to spend a lot of time.
[2:42:48]
I'm historically I've gone
[2:42:49]
through line by line. Every
[2:42:51]
specific policy. I will not do
[2:42:52]
that today because I want to
[2:42:55]
talk and just say we've got 6
[2:42:59]
specific points that we've
[2:43:00]
been able to check boxes on as
[2:43:02]
we develop this policy that
[2:43:03]
are all consistency, feel
[2:43:05]
findings with the attorney
[2:43:05]
general's guidance. When we
[2:43:08]
think about how city staff is
[2:43:12]
going to respond to
[2:43:13]
immigration authorities in
[2:43:15]
various ways. We've
[2:43:16]
established protocols. Those
[2:43:17]
show up in sections. 3.3 of
[2:43:21]
the new policy. When we talk
[2:43:24]
about which personnel is
[2:43:25]
ultimately responsible for
[2:43:29]
rebel. You waiting reviewing
[2:43:29]
requests that come It
[2:43:32]
identifies the city manager is
[2:43:34]
the primary area primary
[2:43:35]
authority by requires or
[2:43:36]
recommends that the city
[2:43:37]
attorney be involved in
[2:43:39]
various circumstances
[2:43:40]
depending upon depending upon
[2:43:43]
the situation that's at hand.
[2:43:44]
Those are both outlined in
[2:43:47]
sections. 3.2 3.8, we talk
[2:43:50]
about how what allowable
[2:43:50]
access is with city facilities
[2:43:54]
and city properties. Those get
[2:43:55]
further outlined in sections.
[2:43:58]
3.4 3.5 and are compliance
[2:44:02]
with ordinance number 202,
[2:44:08]
Dash, 0, 0, 5, which added the
[2:44:09]
which added the general plan
[2:44:12]
section 13 Dash 40 yen and
[2:44:13]
city Attorney Crocker will go
[2:44:14]
through that here in just a
[2:44:18]
little bit. It also provides
[2:44:21]
additional information on what
[2:44:22]
happens if a federal agent
[2:44:22]
shows up with a warrant or
[2:44:24]
doesn't have a warrant and
[2:44:25]
give staff more information on
[2:44:26]
how they're supposed to behave
[2:44:28]
and interact with those
[2:44:29]
federal agents when they do
[2:44:33]
arrive in a city building.
[2:44:36]
When we think about
[2:44:37]
documentation sections, a
[2:44:37]
majority of the sections
[2:44:38]
within this policy, 3.0, 5, 3,
[2:44:42]
0, 6, 3.9, 3.11, all give
[2:44:45]
detailed information under
[2:44:46]
various circumstances as to
[2:44:48]
how the city will collect
[2:44:51]
disseminate or utilize
[2:44:53]
documentation relating to
[2:44:53]
personal information and it
[2:44:58]
creates a city manager process
[2:44:59]
for for collecting and
[2:45:00]
maintaining that data should
[2:45:01]
any of our protocols require
[2:45:08]
it? We also talk about how we
[2:45:09]
gather and and handle requests
[2:45:11]
for those informations in
[2:45:17]
Section 3.6 3.7 and then we go
[2:45:18]
into last talking about how
[2:45:19]
we're going to train our staff
[2:45:21]
so that the policy itself is
[2:45:23]
clearly understood that we
[2:45:24]
have detailed information for
[2:45:25]
individuals at various levels
[2:45:26]
within the organization to be
[2:45:27]
able to handle those
[2:45:30]
interactions. We recognize
[2:45:31]
those interactions can be
[2:45:34]
incredibly stressful. They can
[2:45:38]
be challenging. They can be
[2:45:39]
they can place our team
[2:45:40]
members in a position that is
[2:45:43]
uncomfortable in many ways and
[2:45:45]
we want to make sure that
[2:45:45]
training provides them the
[2:45:47]
tools they need and the
[2:45:47]
information they they need in
[2:45:50]
order to be successful in
[2:45:53]
handling those interactions
[2:45:55]
and best fit the city of Santa
[2:46:00]
Rosa's request for them. That
[2:46:01]
that that training will
[2:46:02]
include things as what a
[2:46:05]
public nonpublic space are. It
[2:46:07]
will talk about what a
[2:46:09]
judicial and administrative
[2:46:10]
warrant is and will give team
[2:46:11]
members the tools to be able
[2:46:12]
to start to identify. And then
[2:46:15]
once they Dana, 5 determine
[2:46:16]
which path they need to take
[2:46:18]
next. It will talk about how
[2:46:19]
public Records act requests
[2:46:22]
are handled and how request on
[2:46:23]
the spot are also taking into
[2:46:26]
consideration and dealt with.
[2:46:28]
We'll talk about what consent
[2:46:29]
means. What does it mean to
[2:46:30]
consent to an action or not
[2:46:32]
consent to an action? And it
[2:46:35]
MAY include some scenario
[2:46:37]
based training as well,
[2:46:39]
depending upon the staff and
[2:46:40]
the and the type of
[2:46:40]
interaction those staff
[2:46:43]
members MAY have. We did want
[2:46:44]
to incorporate the flexibility
[2:46:46]
to be able to provide more
[2:46:47]
intense training for certain
[2:46:50]
staff members versus others
[2:46:50]
because of the duties that
[2:46:51]
they MAY have on a day-to-day
[2:46:58]
basis. To give just a quick
[2:47:00]
example of some of the
[2:47:01]
statements that were trying
[2:47:02]
that we're looking to make
[2:47:04]
better part of the attorney
[2:47:05]
general's guidance. If in U.S.
[2:47:08]
Immigration Authority makes
[2:47:11]
contact, we will request
[2:47:12]
information about what it is
[2:47:14]
they're looking for what
[2:47:15]
records. I will try to
[2:47:16]
understand that concept of
[2:47:21]
what they're trying to achieve
[2:47:21]
our employees will remain
[2:47:23]
calm. They'll remain
[2:47:24]
professional. They will not
[2:47:25]
aggravate. They will not
[2:47:29]
interfere. Once we understand
[2:47:31]
the nature of the records, it
[2:47:33]
will be processed through the
[2:47:35]
appropriate senior manager,
[2:47:38]
which is either myself or the
[2:47:38]
city attorney and a
[2:47:39]
determination will be made as
[2:47:42]
to whether or not the
[2:47:42]
materials that they've
[2:47:43]
requested can be processed and
[2:47:47]
provided to them. Response on
[2:47:48]
that documentation will be
[2:47:50]
consistent with our political
[2:47:51]
laws as well as the policy
[2:47:52]
that we've outlined. And as I
[2:47:54]
mentioned, there's specific
[2:47:56]
programs and and methodologies
[2:47:57]
with which certain
[2:47:58]
documentation MAY or MAY not
[2:48:02]
be provided. And going through
[2:48:04]
all of this is where that
[2:48:05]
training is going to comment.
[2:48:06]
It's going to assist our staff
[2:48:07]
members to clearly understand
[2:48:11]
at what point do each of these
[2:48:14]
aspects of interactions need
[2:48:14]
to be handled through myself
[2:48:17]
through the city attorney or
[2:48:18]
through the police department.
[2:48:19]
Should the police department
[2:48:20]
need to be incorporated into
[2:48:27]
this? Wraps that primary
[2:48:28]
aspects of the policy. And I
[2:48:30]
want to head over to City
[2:48:31]
Attorney Crocker to talk about
[2:48:34]
the ordinance Amendment. Thank
[2:48:37]
you. City manager.
[2:48:38]
>> Good evening. I am pleased
[2:48:41]
to bring this ordinance to
[2:48:42]
tonight. I'll just start the
[2:48:43]
bit of history. In APRIL of
[2:48:45]
this year, the council adopted
[2:48:46]
an ordinance adding Chapter
[2:48:49]
13. 42 the city code that
[2:48:50]
chapter says it's city
[2:48:52]
property MAY be used only for
[2:48:54]
city purposes in plain terms.
[2:48:56]
City property is for city
[2:48:57]
business and helping with
[2:48:58]
civil immigration enforcement
[2:49:01]
is not city business. Although
[2:49:02]
that that ordinance was. And
[2:49:06]
it is a very strong ordinance.
[2:49:06]
The council, the community
[2:49:07]
expressed concern that it MAY
[2:49:09]
not go far enough. Although
[2:49:11]
the ordinance would prohibit
[2:49:12]
immigration authorities from
[2:49:13]
using city property to stage
[2:49:15]
civil enforcement actions.
[2:49:17]
There were concerns that it
[2:49:19]
fell short by phone by failing
[2:49:21]
to directly restrict city
[2:49:21]
staff from collaborating and
[2:49:22]
sharing information with
[2:49:26]
immigration officials. In
[2:49:27]
addition, although the city
[2:49:29]
has several additional
[2:49:30]
protections in place, they
[2:49:31]
come in various locations.
[2:49:33]
They come from a state law in
[2:49:35]
sb. 54. They come from a 2017
[2:49:37]
and a visible city resolution
[2:49:41]
and a local police policy.
[2:49:41]
Each of these applies to
[2:49:43]
different people different
[2:49:45]
situations. The cities and a
[2:49:47]
visible city resolution
[2:49:48]
prohibits city employees from
[2:49:49]
enforcing civil immigration
[2:49:50]
laws or using city resources
[2:49:53]
to investigate or apprehend
[2:49:53]
people based upon a possible
[2:49:57]
violation of immigration law.
[2:49:58]
But that resolution does not
[2:49:59]
directly address
[2:50:00]
information-sharing and
[2:50:00]
collaboration with immigration
[2:50:05]
officials. Senate Bill 54
[2:50:06]
Santa Rosa Police Department
[2:50:09]
policy for 20 generally
[2:50:10]
prohibits law enforcement from
[2:50:12]
cooperating with ice except in
[2:50:13]
limited circumstances. But
[2:50:15]
those laws and policies do not
[2:50:16]
prohibit any other city
[2:50:17]
officials from engaging in the
[2:50:20]
same behavior. In other words,
[2:50:21]
I believe the council
[2:50:23]
identified a gap in our
[2:50:25]
regulations and the proposed
[2:50:26]
on collaboration ordinance. We
[2:50:27]
bring you tonight. Closes that
[2:50:31]
gap. This ordinance that we're
[2:50:33]
bringing you essentially
[2:50:34]
extends a framework of sb 54
[2:50:35]
to city property generally not
[2:50:37]
just law enforcement
[2:50:39]
facilities and it applies to
[2:50:40]
all city officials, employees,
[2:50:42]
boards and commissions, not
[2:50:45]
just law enforcement agencies.
[2:50:46]
It also broadens the scope of
[2:50:49]
the city's and a visible city
[2:50:50]
resolution by prohibiting the
[2:50:52]
use of city property to share
[2:50:53]
information are collaborate
[2:50:53]
with immigration officials for
[2:50:56]
immigration enforcement. In
[2:50:58]
short, the proposed on
[2:50:59]
collaboration ordinance
[2:51:00]
produces a single document
[2:51:02]
that governs all city staff
[2:51:03]
under a single rule of law
[2:51:05]
regulating the use of city
[2:51:07]
property, including non caught
[2:51:09]
collaboration with immigration
[2:51:09]
officials. It puts it all in
[2:51:13]
one place. The text in the
[2:51:17]
ordinance is straightforward.
[2:51:17]
It says no city official
[2:51:19]
employee board or department
[2:51:20]
MAY use city property to
[2:51:21]
collaborate collaborate with
[2:51:23]
federal civil immigration
[2:51:25]
Enforcement City. Property
[2:51:26]
includes real property and
[2:51:29]
personal property, meaning
[2:51:29]
buildings, land vehicles,
[2:51:33]
computers and other equipment.
[2:51:35]
Collaborating means any city
[2:51:35]
employee contacting are
[2:51:38]
responding to immigration.
[2:51:39]
Authorities are sharing or
[2:51:40]
confirming information for the
[2:51:41]
purpose of immigration
[2:51:41]
enforcement except as required
[2:51:45]
or permitted by law. As an
[2:51:46]
example of employee were to
[2:51:47]
use their city office in
[2:51:48]
computer to look up
[2:51:50]
information about co-workers
[2:51:50]
and share it with immigration
[2:51:52]
authorities for enforcement
[2:51:54]
purposes that employee would
[2:51:55]
be using city property to
[2:51:56]
collaborate with immigration
[2:51:57]
enforcement with the ordinance
[2:52:01]
prohibits. The city attorney's
[2:52:02]
office believes this ordinance
[2:52:04]
offers very strong protection
[2:52:06]
to the community while also
[2:52:06]
remaining legally defensible
[2:52:08]
under both state and federal
[2:52:09]
law. It goes as far as we can
[2:52:14]
go as a city. I also want to
[2:52:14]
address what the ordinance
[2:52:17]
does not do. The ordinance
[2:52:18]
does not require city
[2:52:19]
employees to prevent federal
[2:52:20]
agents from entering public
[2:52:23]
spaces on city property. It
[2:52:25]
does not require employees to
[2:52:26]
ignore a judge's order or
[2:52:28]
valid warrant or hold back
[2:52:30]
information that the law
[2:52:32]
requires. And it does not
[2:52:33]
require employees to put
[2:52:34]
themselves in harm's way or
[2:52:35]
interfere with the federal
[2:52:37]
immigration action. Going
[2:52:38]
past. Those lines would not
[2:52:40]
protect the community. More.
[2:52:42]
It would put the protections
[2:52:42]
that we do have at risk of
[2:52:46]
being struck down. Earlier
[2:52:48]
this year. The council asked
[2:52:49]
staff to go further to protect
[2:52:52]
our community members. We
[2:52:53]
believe this is how far we can
[2:52:54]
go without crossing the line
[2:52:55]
and asking our employees to
[2:52:58]
violate state or federal law.
[2:52:59]
I'm now going to hand this
[2:53:00]
over to Assistant City
[2:53:01]
Attorney Hepler to discuss the
[2:53:05]
various enforcement mechanisms
[2:53:06]
which will further demonstrate
[2:53:06]
the strength of both the
[2:53:07]
proposed ordinance and the
[2:53:10]
council policy. Thank you.
[2:53:14]
Thank you. City attorney
[2:53:15]
clearly in order to be
[2:53:17]
effective, we need a council
[2:53:17]
policy and an ordinance that
[2:53:19]
are also in forcible.
[2:53:21]
>> I believe it's important to
[2:53:23]
note that all current city
[2:53:24]
employees are subject to the
[2:53:26]
city's personnel rules and
[2:53:28]
regulations in violation of
[2:53:28]
the rules and regulations can
[2:53:31]
result discipline. And I'd
[2:53:33]
like to talk for a moment
[2:53:34]
about what that means because
[2:53:35]
discipline is a very generic
[2:53:37]
term and it can mean different
[2:53:39]
things. You can have minor
[2:53:41]
discipline for mistakes and
[2:53:42]
maybe situations and which
[2:53:43]
training needed to be
[2:53:44]
addressed, where you can have
[2:53:46]
very severe discipline. And
[2:53:51]
here at the city egregious
[2:53:52]
behavior that violates the
[2:53:54]
city rules and regulations can
[2:53:55]
result in severe discipline,
[2:53:59]
including demotion, which
[2:54:01]
results in the loss of some
[2:54:02]
pay usually or even
[2:54:03]
termination, which results in
[2:54:05]
loss of pay. The loss of
[2:54:08]
benefits and potentially ones
[2:54:09]
pension. Those are very severe
[2:54:12]
consequences. With that in
[2:54:14]
mind. Turning to the council
[2:54:16]
policy, there are a couple of
[2:54:17]
sections there that could
[2:54:18]
trigger discipline under the
[2:54:18]
city's rules and regulations
[2:54:22]
for personnel. Requests for
[2:54:22]
information records or data is
[2:54:25]
one of them. And that's
[2:54:27]
because that section is very
[2:54:28]
clear. That disclosure of
[2:54:30]
information shall be limited
[2:54:31]
to information specifically
[2:54:35]
required by law. The other
[2:54:36]
section that could potentially
[2:54:36]
trigger discipline is data
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collection and retention. So
[2:54:40]
what violations of those
[2:54:44]
sections look like by way of
[2:54:46]
an example, you could have
[2:54:47]
employees working the counter
[2:54:48]
in the lobby. Immigration
[2:54:49]
enforcement officials show up
[2:54:51]
with a warrant in hand and
[2:54:53]
initially that employee does
[2:54:55]
everything right. They contact
[2:54:56]
their manager. The city
[2:54:58]
managers contact the city
[2:55:00]
attorneys contacted and upon
[2:55:01]
legal review. It's determined
[2:55:03]
that this is a valid judicial
[2:55:03]
warrant and compliance is
[2:55:07]
required. Employee MAY provide
[2:55:08]
the documentation listed in
[2:55:10]
the Valley Judicial warrant,
[2:55:11]
but then they could take it
[2:55:12]
upon themselves to provide
[2:55:13]
additional information that
[2:55:15]
was not request under the
[2:55:16]
warrant. That would be a
[2:55:17]
violation of the council
[2:55:21]
policy. Likewise, if employee
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was retaining information are
[2:55:23]
collecting information that
[2:55:24]
they are not authorized to
[2:55:27]
collect or retain. And that
[2:55:27]
information was subsequently
[2:55:29]
provided to immigration
[2:55:30]
enforcement authorities. That
[2:55:30]
would be a violation of the
[2:55:34]
policy. A critical tool that
[2:55:35]
the city has when using
[2:55:41]
discipline. To manage this
[2:55:43]
council policy and impact what
[2:55:48]
employees are doing it to her.
[2:55:49]
Violations and to enforce
[2:55:51]
against violations is the
[2:55:52]
ability to immediately put an
[2:55:54]
employee out and what that
[2:55:56]
means is the city has the
[2:55:58]
right to tell an employee that
[2:55:59]
they are no longer welcome on
[2:56:00]
campus wide. The disciplinary
[2:56:03]
process plays out and until
[2:56:03]
there is a charmer and a
[2:56:05]
determination as to whether
[2:56:07]
the conduct and in fact occur
[2:56:08]
and discipline is determined.
[2:56:11]
What is appropriate. That is
[2:56:12]
an immediate action that the
[2:56:14]
city can take to protect
[2:56:15]
community members from further
[2:56:18]
violations of the policy. And
[2:56:19]
it is an incredibly strong
[2:56:21]
tool to have in our toolbox.
[2:56:26]
With respect to the ordinance.
[2:56:28]
Ordinance allows for
[2:56:29]
enforcement by way of civil
[2:56:31]
relief. Previously that was
[2:56:32]
really geared towards the use
[2:56:36]
of real property non employees
[2:56:38]
would be prevented from
[2:56:39]
continuing to use city
[2:56:40]
property for non city purposes
[2:56:42]
such as immigration
[2:56:43]
enforcement and what that
[2:56:45]
looks like in seeking civil
[2:56:45]
relief in court and requesting
[2:56:48]
an injunction. That ordinance
[2:56:50]
also applies to employees. So
[2:56:51]
looking at that previous
[2:56:55]
example that I gave you you
[2:56:56]
have an employee who
[2:56:59]
potentially? Provides
[2:56:59]
information that they weren't
[2:57:01]
authorized to provide. That's
[2:57:04]
a violation of policy. But the
[2:57:05]
tools in which they used to
[2:57:06]
provide the information, the
[2:57:08]
office equipment, their
[2:57:10]
computer, the records that
[2:57:11]
they had access to. That's a
[2:57:13]
violation of the ordinance in
[2:57:14]
the ordinance. And the policy
[2:57:15]
are not mutually exclusive.
[2:57:17]
It's not one or the other. You
[2:57:19]
could have enforcement using
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bowl. And so the city has the
[2:57:24]
tool of potentially if
[2:57:25]
violation of the policy is
[2:57:26]
egregious enough that it
[2:57:27]
warrants putting an employee
[2:57:30]
out immediately to protect the
[2:57:32]
community, they can do that.
[2:57:33]
While the city attorney is
[2:57:34]
also looking at options for
[2:57:36]
civil enforcement, if that's
[2:57:37]
appropriate. So those remedies
[2:57:39]
together under the personnel
[2:57:43]
rules and regulations and
[2:57:44]
civil relief in a court of law
[2:57:45]
allowed the city to Taylor
[2:57:46]
enforcement of the Council
[2:57:47]
policy and the ordinance to
[2:57:48]
best meet the needs of the
[2:57:56]
city and the community. We've
[2:57:59]
been hearing for several weeks
[2:58:00]
to months from community
[2:58:02]
members that are in the room
[2:58:02]
community is that have been in
[2:58:03]
the room that there's a number
[2:58:06]
of items that there have been
[2:58:07]
requesting.
[2:58:09]
>> That staff to incorporate
[2:58:09]
into I the resolution or into
[2:58:14]
ordinance. This is sort we
[2:58:15]
just want to show a checklist
[2:58:16]
of what we've been attempting
[2:58:17]
to do to try to accommodate
[2:58:20]
those requests and and I will
[2:58:20]
just say that in the meetings
[2:58:23]
that I've had with the
[2:58:24]
community members over the
[2:58:25]
last couple of weeks, there
[2:58:27]
was one particular ah, ha
[2:58:30]
moment that gave the city
[2:58:32]
attorney's office more
[2:58:35]
information to be able to
[2:58:36]
present and identify an area
[2:58:39]
that we could expedite the
[2:58:40]
ordinance. That's before you
[2:58:43]
today. If you recall couple of
[2:58:44]
weeks ago, we talked about
[2:58:45]
this maybe needing to come
[2:58:48]
back at a later date, work
[2:58:49]
that the city attorney's
[2:58:52]
office has done in the last 2
[2:58:53]
weeks is as significant. It's
[2:58:54]
impressive and I'm very
[2:58:56]
thankful that they were able
[2:58:58]
to take the feedback that we
[2:59:00]
heard from the community and
[2:59:01]
roll it into something that's
[2:59:02]
tangible and in front of you
[2:59:03]
today that we believe actually
[2:59:04]
addresses the concerns that
[2:59:10]
have been raised efforts meet
[2:59:11]
council. What you're a
[2:59:11]
question of us, which is
[2:59:12]
figure out how we can get from
[2:59:18]
here to their and so with
[2:59:19]
that, we are really pleased to
[2:59:20]
bring both of these items to
[2:59:24]
you for consideration by
[2:59:25]
resolution would like you to
[2:59:27]
adopt council policy entitled
[2:59:27]
policies and procedures
[2:59:28]
governing city city
[2:59:29]
interactions with immigration
[2:59:31]
authorities and access to city
[2:59:31]
information consistent with
[2:59:35]
federal and state law and to
[2:59:36]
introduce an ordinance
[2:59:37]
amending chapter 13, 40 of the
[2:59:40]
Santa Rosa City code
[2:59:40]
prohibiting the use of city
[2:59:43]
property to collaborate with
[2:59:44]
immigration authorities in the
[2:59:45]
enforcement of federal civil
[2:59:51]
immigration laws. This item
[2:59:51]
has no further fiscal impact
[2:59:55]
at this time. So we are here
[2:59:55]
for any if you have any
[2:59:58]
questions regarding the
[2:59:58]
actions were requesting. The
[3:00:02]
wonderful alright city
[3:00:02]
manager, not City Crocker,
[3:00:03]
excuse me, MISS Hepler. Thank
[3:00:04]
you for all the work that has
[3:00:06]
been a lot of work indeed.
[3:00:07]
>> All right. I do. I do hear
[3:00:09]
the enthusiasm from the back
[3:00:10]
and one of our public comment
[3:00:11]
in a moment. But first, we're
[3:00:12]
going we're going to bring
[3:00:13]
back to to the dance Mrs, kick
[3:00:15]
us off.
[3:00:17]
>> City Attorney Ashley Yes.
[3:00:23]
For everything. We We look up.
[3:00:25]
A Poseidon a woman. And pull
[3:00:28]
those at the low status. Will
[3:00:35]
boost China stays. It. And
[3:00:37]
Give you a lot. The scene.
[3:00:42]
Give us some time rolls He
[3:00:43]
could. He would like to thank
[3:00:44]
little Luca Business, a little
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less about something skinny
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respect it's some of the most
[3:00:51]
time, because some school
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status you'll still close to
[3:00:54]
locals as some schools to
[3:00:58]
She's a play To our city
[3:01:01]
attorney. Thank you. To my
[3:01:03]
community. Look what happened
[3:01:04]
stand up. Look what happens
[3:01:07]
when are united. When you
[3:01:09]
demand change what you do,
[3:01:09]
land representation when ban
[3:01:12]
to be respected. This is a
[3:01:15]
result of coming together.
[3:01:19]
Your love, your respected. You
[3:01:23]
are protected. We protected.
[3:01:25]
Long live justice. Long live
[3:01:29]
the city of Santa Rosa. Thank
[3:01:36]
you. MISS Been I can't
[3:01:37]
Councilmember Alvarez.
[3:01:40]
>> But first, first I want to
[3:01:43]
really interim city manager at
[3:01:47]
not the attorneys Crocker and
[3:01:51]
in does it help. Thank know
[3:01:53]
I've I didn't want to say Dana
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Cup. That's how I know but i
[3:01:58]
want to thank u n all the
[3:02:01]
folks that worked on this with
[3:02:02]
you all how much we appreciate
[3:02:04]
all the work that you've done
[3:02:07]
and meeting with the
[3:02:07]
community. How important that
[3:02:10]
is and listening to them. And
[3:02:12]
getting to the point where you
[3:02:13]
we understood exactly what was
[3:02:20]
needed. And you know, just to
[3:02:25]
echo Councilmember Alvarez. We
[3:02:27]
wanted you all know that we do
[3:02:28]
care that we do want to make a
[3:02:30]
difference for you. And we do
[3:02:32]
want to protect entire
[3:02:34]
community because it's not
[3:02:34]
only a faxed immigrant
[3:02:36]
community, but all of us. So
[3:02:40]
thank you for all the work.
[3:02:43]
I'm told you when we first
[3:02:45]
discussed this recently that I
[3:02:46]
was stunned that we were able
[3:02:50]
to do both resolution and the
[3:02:50]
amendments to the ordinance.
[3:02:54]
Thank you so much because I
[3:02:54]
didn't want to drag this out
[3:02:55]
any more that we need to. I'm
[3:02:58]
sure you didn't either. And
[3:02:59]
so, you know, all of my
[3:03:01]
gratitude to all of you,
[3:03:02]
Anthony m. So there's that
[3:03:06]
there that to work so hard and
[3:03:06]
you continue to work hard in
[3:03:11]
the in like a mini died. Thank
[3:03:12]
you, everybody. Thank you.
[3:03:12]
MISS Manuel, most Ms
[3:03:16]
MacDonald.
[3:03:17]
>> Yeah, I I want to just
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commend you on your amount of
[3:03:19]
work that you did in such a
[3:03:20]
short amount of time. I know
[3:03:21]
going back MARCH, we were
[3:03:26]
saying around the ordinance
[3:03:27]
and the resolution and I
[3:03:28]
appreciate you marrying the 2
[3:03:32]
things together has suggested
[3:03:33]
because I think that that
[3:03:35]
really resolve everything we
[3:03:36]
have as much teeth as we
[3:03:37]
possibly can in and not just
[3:03:38]
our ordinance, but in our
[3:03:41]
council policy resolution. And
[3:03:43]
so I I really appreciate the
[3:03:45]
efforts that went into that.
[3:03:46]
So congratulations to our city
[3:03:49]
attorney and her staff to as
[3:03:50]
well as everyone else. I know
[3:03:51]
it was more than even the 2 of
[3:03:54]
you going back reviewing old
[3:03:56]
videos looking to see what
[3:03:57]
council direction was so many
[3:03:59]
months ago when this item was
[3:04:00]
brought forward. Thank you to
[3:04:02]
city manager in that for
[3:04:03]
making sure that this is a
[3:04:06]
priority based on the the
[3:04:07]
concern and the community. And
[3:04:12]
I want to say thank you to the
[3:04:13]
advocates that continue to
[3:04:15]
come here. You know, at all of
[3:04:18]
our meetings, your voice does
[3:04:20]
matter and we listen to you.
[3:04:22]
And although we can't interact
[3:04:23]
a lot of times, it's very
[3:04:24]
difficult for us to not be
[3:04:27]
able to respond because of how
[3:04:28]
things work. I just I just
[3:04:30]
want you to know that every
[3:04:34]
time 70 comes to speak to us.
[3:04:35]
Your comments, all we take
[3:04:37]
them home. Think about them.
[3:04:37]
And then we think about how
[3:04:39]
can we implement them into our
[3:04:40]
city. But I appreciate the
[3:04:44]
work that went into how we
[3:04:44]
work with our employees to
[3:04:45]
make sure that we're doing
[3:04:46]
everything we possibly can in
[3:04:49]
the city of Santa Rosa. And
[3:04:51]
thank you to the sanctuary and
[3:04:52]
thank you. You city manager
[3:04:54]
not from meeting with them
[3:04:56]
personally to make sure that
[3:04:57]
we're doing everything that
[3:04:59]
the attorney general suggested
[3:05:00]
everything that we have been
[3:05:01]
legislation. And I like to
[3:05:04]
think that the city of Santa
[3:05:05]
Rosa and maybe you can confirm
[3:05:06]
this for me as city attorney
[3:05:10]
that we have the strongest
[3:05:12]
policy in place of any
[3:05:12]
jurisdiction north of the
[3:05:18]
Bridge for immigration. From
[3:05:19]
what I've seen in the research
[3:05:20]
that we've done. I think that
[3:05:21]
we we go the farthest we have
[3:05:24]
really taken an extra step. I
[3:05:25]
can't say that for certain. I
[3:05:27]
haven't reviewed them say it
[3:05:30]
for tonight. I'm going to say
[3:05:31]
for tonight this feels good.
[3:05:32]
Santa a strong and I'm really
[3:05:33]
proud of that. And thank you
[3:05:34]
so much. All of us are
[3:05:34]
standing here together
[3:05:37]
tonight. Thank you your
[3:05:38]
comments. Councilmember
[3:05:39]
Alvarez and I appreciate Even
[3:05:39]
though I couldn't understand
[3:05:42]
some of it. I was there with
[3:05:44]
you in Spirit. Thank you.
[3:05:49]
Thank you. MISS Fleming.
[3:05:50]
>> Mike hockey, my comments
[3:05:50]
brief. Think a lot of what
[3:05:51]
needs to be said has already
[3:05:54]
been said really well. You
[3:05:59]
know, I'm really touched I
[3:05:59]
first brought this up at the
[3:06:03]
beginning of the year. It was
[3:06:03]
clear to me that it was going
[3:06:06]
to be a long process. And I'm
[3:06:08]
really heartened to feel the
[3:06:10]
support from the community
[3:06:11]
whose kept the pressure on our
[3:06:14]
council and staff. You know,
[3:06:15]
I'm personally love the
[3:06:15]
hooting and hollering in the
[3:06:17]
back. I think that this is if
[3:06:18]
there's ever a time to make
[3:06:19]
some noise, it's when we stand
[3:06:23]
up to fascism. And I think
[3:06:25]
order is a little bit, you
[3:06:25]
know, unnecessary in these
[3:06:26]
moments. But the mayor has his
[3:06:28]
own process. And so that's how
[3:06:31]
these things go. But but at
[3:06:32]
the end of the day, you all
[3:06:34]
kept the pressure up and the
[3:06:36]
council has come along a far
[3:06:39]
away and the staff thanks to
[3:06:41]
the leadership of our our new
[3:06:45]
city Attorney, Ashley Crocker
[3:06:46]
our city manager. Jason not
[3:06:49]
has come so far implementing
[3:06:53]
such a strong policy that
[3:06:56]
affirms our commitment to anti
[3:06:56]
fascism and to the people of
[3:06:58]
Santa Rosa, let you all know
[3:06:59]
that each person here is
[3:07:00]
valuable and welcome. And
[3:07:05]
we're so glad that you're
[3:07:06]
>> Thank you. All right. Now
[3:07:07]
we're at one more from one of
[3:07:09]
the thing for you, MR. All
[3:07:10]
residents, Rogers, I would
[3:07:13]
remiss if I don't see them
[3:07:14]
here tonight, I definitely
[3:07:15]
want to acknowledge Linda and
[3:07:18]
Mary as they or a protest with
[3:07:20]
the passion as well ladies up
[3:07:22]
there who said going do this.
[3:07:25]
And when when we met up, I had
[3:07:28]
and nobody ate much. Elaine
[3:07:29]
Coleman, those storms in
[3:07:32]
little sometimes most But
[3:07:33]
nonetheless, though, to Marion
[3:07:35]
and Linda, I want to thank
[3:07:37]
personally for for really
[3:07:37]
representing him being that
[3:07:40]
strength, strong ally. And
[3:07:42]
being a voice to the under
[3:07:43]
represented and sometimes the
[3:07:44]
voice so I want I wasn't as
[3:07:47]
well. Thank you. Ms Rogers.
[3:07:49]
>> I just wanted to thank you
[3:07:51]
all for being here in
[3:07:52]
continuing to Sitting through
[3:07:56]
are very long meetings. And I
[3:07:59]
realize that we have done this
[3:08:00]
step.
[3:08:01]
>> But I believe there's still
[3:08:02]
so much more that we need to
[3:08:07]
do as a community. So I'm
[3:08:09]
asking that you continue to
[3:08:12]
hold me accountable when
[3:08:13]
there's places to show when
[3:08:15]
there's things that we need to
[3:08:17]
do to support the community,
[3:08:18]
to continue to let us know,
[3:08:21]
because this is just the stat,
[3:08:22]
but it is not. It's not the
[3:08:24]
beginning and it's not the
[3:08:25]
They're still a lot more fight
[3:08:28]
that we have to do. And in
[3:08:30]
order to make sure that
[3:08:32]
everyone understands and knows
[3:08:32]
that they are welcome in that
[3:08:35]
they are safe here. So
[3:08:35]
continue to hold us
[3:08:39]
accountable. Thank you.
[3:08:41]
>> Thank you. All right. If
[3:08:42]
there is no additional comment
[3:08:43]
from from the dais, let's go
[3:08:43]
to public comments. They're
[3:08:46]
lot of names listed where a
[3:08:49]
new one minute for public
[3:08:50]
comment. I want to go start
[3:08:51]
with, know, and then Dunia and
[3:08:54]
then Socorro let's use. But if
[3:08:55]
you wish to speak, let's be
[3:08:56]
lined up behind both
[3:08:57]
microphones so that we can
[3:09:00]
move through this quickly.
[3:09:01]
Again, we're gonna start with
[3:09:02]
Dino then Dunia and Socorro do
[3:09:03]
know is that you? Yeah. Kick
[3:09:05]
us off.
[3:09:08]
>> Good evening, mayor and
[3:09:10]
council members, my name scene
[3:09:10]
or take political science
[3:09:11]
students know must say in a
[3:09:13]
rose and resident and I came
[3:09:15]
here today to strongly urge
[3:09:16]
the council to amend the
[3:09:19]
ordinance passed earlier this
[3:09:20]
year to strong enforceable
[3:09:21]
ordinance explicitly
[3:09:22]
prohibiting collaboration with
[3:09:23]
federal immigration
[3:09:25]
enforcement. But thanks to the
[3:09:28]
hard work at the Sonoma County
[3:09:28]
Sanctuary Coalition, North Bay
[3:09:29]
Chosen Justice and other
[3:09:31]
related groups. Their
[3:09:31]
conversations with the council
[3:09:35]
and city government to me and
[3:09:37]
I'm waiting to hear what main
[3:09:38]
organizers have to say. But
[3:09:39]
this seems like a very robust
[3:09:40]
response to the Trump
[3:09:43]
administration's attacks on
[3:09:44]
immigrant communities. I
[3:09:44]
really thank you all for
[3:09:48]
putting this together. It
[3:09:50]
seems to me the urgency of the
[3:09:53]
moment and I'm glad that Santa
[3:09:55]
Rosa, you know, can really be
[3:09:55]
inspiration to other
[3:09:58]
communities around that.
[3:09:59]
>> And the county, the state,
[3:10:01]
the country that people come
[3:10:02]
together. And even if there's
[3:10:02]
initial disagreements, things
[3:10:04]
can be worked out and
[3:10:07]
victories can be had, you
[3:10:08]
know, immigrant rights are
[3:10:10]
human rights and workers
[3:10:11]
rights in solidarity must mean
[3:10:13]
more than words and involves
[3:10:14]
actions. So thank everyone
[3:10:16]
here for acting. Thank you so
[3:10:17]
much.
[3:10:18]
>> Thank you. And is doing you
[3:10:20]
no longer wish speak. Doing
[3:10:22]
and you have the floor and
[3:10:28]
then it's then it's the coral.
[3:10:28]
>> Hello, I'm standing here in
[3:10:29]
support of amending the
[3:10:30]
ordinance in adopting
[3:10:34]
resolution as be 5.80. Please
[3:10:34]
prioritize setting an example
[3:10:38]
of how all cities can do
[3:10:39]
everything possible to legally
[3:10:42]
protect immigrant rights. This
[3:10:43]
includes getting rid of flock
[3:10:46]
cameras. Thank you.
[3:10:47]
>> Thank you very much. And
[3:10:52]
you know, and then Robert.
[3:10:53]
>> And Renee, so said that
[3:10:55]
we're going to share this
[3:10:57]
time. I just wanted to on
[3:10:58]
behalf of the Sonoma County
[3:11:00]
Sanctuary Coalition. Same
[3:11:04]
which has Cs. Thank you so
[3:11:07]
much. Thank you. Thank you so
[3:11:07]
much.
[3:11:10]
>> Especially to the city
[3:11:11]
manager in the city attorney.
[3:11:14]
We appreciate you listening to
[3:11:15]
us will be back next Tuesday
[3:11:16]
to celebrate the vote. Thank
[3:11:19]
you.
[3:11:19]
>> Thank you. Remains the
[3:11:22]
Wilmont and Lena Robert. My
[3:11:23]
apologies, Sir, is a Kroger.
[3:11:26]
Please go ahead.
[3:11:27]
>> Get a lot the best. Yes, a
[3:11:28]
number that the combine it as
[3:11:29]
a mother leave it as up on his
[3:11:33]
hands and somebody it is. But
[3:11:34]
I'm listening and put up at
[3:11:36]
this is the do fun. One.
[3:11:37]
>> One wants a car. We want
[3:11:42]
translator. Is that correct?
[3:11:47]
>> they're It
[3:11:48]
>> One moment when we move the
[3:11:50]
translator or interpreter over
[3:11:52]
to assist. We know
[3:11:53]
>> appears that she brought
[3:12:01]
her own percent.
[3:12:02]
>> I'm good as has is that
[3:12:06]
idea Senate and amount of this
[3:12:07]
Egan on about because those 2
[3:12:12]
men ultimately more what they
[3:12:12]
on most ticket must be
[3:12:14]
governor but also limit the
[3:12:15]
sickest on of a up with it
[3:12:15]
that a guy that put them in
[3:12:16]
But it's that much of the
[3:12:19]
city. But at most because at
[3:12:19]
the that you must put the luck
[3:12:26]
and sounds. Man. I speak now.
[3:12:30]
Yes, go ahead. I just want to
[3:12:32]
say thank you for the victory
[3:12:32]
today. I'll be back next
[3:12:34]
Tuesday to celebrate.
[3:12:38]
>> And this is just 1, 0, so
[3:12:39]
many victories thank you
[3:12:43]
again, so much. This is a lot
[3:12:48]
to our community can see.
[3:12:49]
>> And most of them thank We
[3:12:52]
could have a very good at
[3:12:53]
sleep tonight. Thank Thank
[3:12:55]
Thank you both. All right,
[3:12:55]
Alina. And then Robert and
[3:12:58]
resell die.
[3:13:04]
>> Serena here. Gonna pass
[3:13:05]
mean. All right. Thank you for
[3:13:09]
coming out tonight. Robert.
[3:13:12]
Big and the robber, your Thank
[3:13:12]
you very much. And thank you
[3:13:15]
very much to all of
[3:13:16]
>> I will honestly tell you,
[3:13:18]
I'm surprised and very
[3:13:21]
pleased. I knew you were going
[3:13:24]
to do a resolution, which is
[3:13:25]
the recommendation to people
[3:13:27]
follow the law. I was hoping
[3:13:30]
you would do what you've done,
[3:13:31]
which is also adopt ordinance,
[3:13:33]
which is, in fact, an order.
[3:13:37]
And that to me, when you do
[3:13:38]
point someone like Stephen
[3:13:39]
Miller to be the chief of
[3:13:42]
staff of the United States. We
[3:13:43]
have to acknowledge that there
[3:13:45]
is a lot of war actually still
[3:13:48]
going on and there will be for
[3:13:50]
2 years. He is the author of
[3:13:51]
the project to 2025. His
[3:13:51]
intention is to deport as many
[3:13:55]
people as possible. So thank
[3:13:56]
you for your support we needed
[3:13:58]
We look to you for that kind
[3:13:59]
of leadership and thank you
[3:14:00]
for delivering And we will be
[3:14:04]
there as we were with last
[3:14:05]
election to remind the
[3:14:07]
oligarchs that they don't own
[3:14:09]
the country. There's a giant
[3:14:10]
group of people who just shrug
[3:14:13]
show them off our shoulders
[3:14:14]
and we will continue to do
[3:14:16]
Thank you very much. Thank
[3:14:17]
you. Robert Whittaker Silva,
[3:14:20]
Marianne and its Is it Chris
[3:14:23]
Silva?
[3:14:27]
>> I thought then been nice.
[3:14:30]
What would normally ok, you,
[3:14:31]
Lauren, can you please
[3:14:32]
facilitate the interpreters?
[3:14:36]
We'll do. The interpreter,
[3:14:38]
please. And is available to
[3:14:39]
move over to the English
[3:14:48]
Channel. Razor hand for me.
[3:14:50]
>> Thank you, Hugh Oca. One
[3:15:05]
moment. Okay. Okay. If you
[3:15:07]
would like to let the speaker
[3:15:09]
the best way for you to
[3:15:09]
interpret. Go right ahead.
[3:15:24]
You're in the English Channel.
[3:15:25]
>> Okay. Deadly and then taken
[3:15:28]
to these courses a get the
[3:15:29]
meaning of war yet. To put the
[3:15:29]
article says, you know, a
[3:15:30]
different than the means about
[3:15:32]
them. And they spoke us,
[3:15:33]
essence, what not just end of
[3:15:37]
a Nancy, a? Yes guy. But I get
[3:15:40]
a the stand little see a
[3:15:43]
fellow noticed that they've
[3:15:45]
good will they be got on that
[3:15:50]
nothing bustle in up It been
[3:15:52]
No, still go. Let me get a is
[3:15:56]
the not to make money that but
[3:15:57]
way families we they get is
[3:15:58]
that more young Williams said
[3:16:00]
that it looked but got notice.
[3:16:02]
There no make look Yeah. Who
[3:16:06]
leave on with over not see
[3:16:06]
aggressive in the zone is. But
[3:16:12]
been a season Amelia. Good
[3:16:13]
evening. My name. Ready to
[3:16:16]
send a minute here and I'm
[3:16:17]
here to thank each and every
[3:16:19]
one of you for amending the
[3:16:19]
ordinance the past APRIL.
[3:16:22]
Thank you for making those
[3:16:23]
changes.
[3:16:24]
>> corporation with ice
[3:16:26]
tonight. My community is going
[3:16:27]
to be very happy and I'm very
[3:16:29]
proud to have voted for any
[3:16:30]
community. One of you. I make
[3:16:30]
the right choice. I knew we
[3:16:33]
would accomplish this. Thank
[3:16:34]
you so much blessings to you
[3:16:37]
and your families.
[3:16:38]
>> Thank you. Can sell marry
[3:16:40]
and and then Nicholas. Marion
[3:16:45]
here. Please go ahead.
[3:16:48]
>> My name is Mary and
[3:16:49]
Michaels. I'm here in support
[3:16:53]
of your vision of both a
[3:16:55]
strong resolution, amended
[3:16:55]
ordinance that will work
[3:16:58]
together in a good marriage to
[3:17:00]
provide the most protection
[3:17:02]
possible for Santa Rosa
[3:17:05]
residents who live in fear of
[3:17:08]
ice. I would like to take this
[3:17:08]
opportunity to thank city
[3:17:11]
manager and city attorney for
[3:17:13]
their willingness to listen to
[3:17:15]
the concerns raised by our
[3:17:17]
sanctuary coalition. And
[3:17:18]
further due diligence
[3:17:20]
incorporating our suggestions
[3:17:21]
and advice into the documents
[3:17:25]
before you today. 7 of the
[3:17:30]
city council members have my
[3:17:31]
respect and highest esteem for
[3:17:33]
what you are about to
[3:17:35]
accomplish when you vote for
[3:17:36]
the resolution and the
[3:17:39]
non-cooperation ordinance.
[3:17:40]
Thank you.
[3:17:41]
>> Thank you, Mary. And a
[3:17:41]
stolen necklace. And then
[3:17:45]
Isabel. Still as that. You.
[3:17:51]
Yes, please go ahead.
[3:17:51]
>> Good night. Name is a state
[3:17:52]
law and I'm here today to
[3:17:53]
speak for those who can't. For
[3:17:55]
those who are afraid. For
[3:17:58]
those feel unsafe. And I just
[3:18:01]
want let you know that. Thank
[3:18:03]
you. Thank you so much. You
[3:18:06]
have no idea how our community
[3:18:09]
feels tonight. Once again,
[3:18:11]
thank you. And I have no other
[3:18:17]
words. Is fine. Your you know,
[3:18:18]
this been go out put those
[3:18:23]
details. Is cnn then in dose
[3:18:24]
guy, the in in Middle East on
[3:18:25]
a month this now stands good
[3:18:28]
as the U.S.. No 7, again,
[3:18:29]
Mitchell and money that is
[3:18:35]
spent even most us. Thank you,
[3:18:35]
Nicholas, and use a bow and
[3:18:39]
Teresa.
[3:18:41]
>> Nicholas Yeo Nicholas, Go
[3:18:42]
ahead.
[3:18:43]
>> Thank you. Good evening. My
[3:18:44]
name is Nicole asked for this.
[3:18:46]
I want to take the opportunity
[3:18:47]
to lift up again the sanctuary
[3:18:49]
coalition for the work that
[3:18:52]
they've done in making this
[3:18:53]
happen. And and also to
[3:18:54]
acknowledge that that's come
[3:18:55]
at great personal cost for all
[3:18:55]
those that have been involved
[3:18:58]
in this movement. The late
[3:19:00]
night still organizing the
[3:19:03]
stress in order to to to be at
[3:19:05]
this point that we are here to
[3:19:06]
date. You know, I'm I'm a
[3:19:08]
relatively new resident here
[3:19:09]
in Sonoma County. I'm
[3:19:11]
originally from San Antonio,
[3:19:13]
Texas. And after last
[3:19:14]
Tuesday's one of the first
[3:19:14]
times that I don't feel a
[3:19:17]
little tinge of shame in
[3:19:18]
saying that we're feeling like
[3:19:19]
I have to over explain where
[3:19:21]
I'd come from. And I'm really
[3:19:22]
happy to see that cities like
[3:19:25]
San Antonio, Houston and
[3:19:26]
Austin are reevaluating their
[3:19:29]
relationship and their
[3:19:31]
policies regarding ice now
[3:19:32]
understand it's been 30 years
[3:19:33]
since there's been Democratic
[3:19:34]
majority in Texas and it took
[3:19:37]
them that long it should have
[3:19:39]
taken you all a little bit
[3:19:40]
faster to make this thing
[3:19:41]
happen tonight. But that's my
[3:19:44]
comment. Thank you.
[3:19:47]
>> Thank you, Nicholas
[3:19:47]
Isabella, Teresa.
[3:19:49]
>> The 7 here with the
[3:19:50]
sanctuary coalition. I'm
[3:19:51]
really proud. First of all of
[3:19:53]
the people of the women, they
[3:19:56]
came together to speak up,
[3:19:56]
beside feeling all the fear
[3:20:01]
and still came courageously to
[3:20:02]
speak about their fear and the
[3:20:03]
need for this ordinance or to
[3:20:06]
amend the ordinance.
[3:20:09]
>> I also like to think the
[3:20:09]
city staff for really sitting
[3:20:11]
down with us a few times and
[3:20:12]
really hearing and listening
[3:20:17]
in. And making policy from
[3:20:19]
that. So tonight everybody is
[3:20:22]
going to feel safe. And and
[3:20:24]
I'm just like really proud to
[3:20:26]
be a Santa Rosa's PRESIDENT.
[3:20:26]
Thank you.
[3:20:37]
>> Thank yous about to reset.
[3:20:38]
>> When he might maze, that is
[3:20:41]
that I thank you for
[3:20:41]
everything.
[3:20:42]
>> more humid still needs? MAY
[3:20:50]
5, maybe. From my community.
[3:20:52]
Big Thank you. Were and all of
[3:20:57]
you and
[3:20:57]
>> Thank you very much. Thank
[3:20:58]
you for making the time to
[3:21:01]
come out tonight. Alright, is
[3:21:02]
there anybody else in council
[3:21:02]
chambers who wishes to speak
[3:21:06]
on this topic? So if you wish
[3:21:07]
to speak, if you could doing
[3:21:08]
right by the day and so we can
[3:21:19]
move through efficiently. So
[3:21:21]
you have the floor. Thank you.
[3:21:21]
I don't take anything away
[3:21:23]
from this lovely moment.
[3:21:27]
>> But I do want to. Respond
[3:21:29]
to some of the fluffy words
[3:21:31]
that we've heard talking about
[3:21:33]
standing up to fascism, racism
[3:21:35]
and who is or isn't the enemy
[3:21:38]
or whether laws matter because
[3:21:41]
I was part of a group that
[3:21:41]
came here for well over a year
[3:21:45]
asking you to stand up for
[3:21:46]
another group of people that
[3:21:48]
are not going to be sleeping
[3:21:49]
any better tonight as the
[3:21:51]
Palestinian people that are in
[3:21:52]
your community. And so just
[3:21:56]
kind of remember that. I don't
[3:21:58]
I I was shocked to find how
[3:22:00]
how conservative the city
[3:22:03]
really is and how difficult it
[3:22:06]
is to move human beings to be
[3:22:07]
human beings.
[3:22:08]
>> And you just we were on our
[3:22:10]
side on that one. And we came
[3:22:11]
out for over a year. And I
[3:22:12]
also want to mention that the
[3:22:13]
council reports are a great
[3:22:15]
place to respond to people and
[3:22:19]
most city councils do Maybe
[3:22:20]
consider, you know your
[3:22:20]
comments and your council
[3:22:25]
reports.
[3:22:26]
>> Thank you. Is there anybody
[3:22:27]
else in council chambers who
[3:22:29]
to speak?
[3:22:30]
>> Seeing none. We'll go
[3:22:34]
online. MADAM Zuma host, is
[3:22:35]
there online with their hand
[3:22:36]
or hands raiser is Dial Star
[3:22:38]
9.
[3:22:43]
>> We to Mayor.
[3:22:45]
>> gonna go with Allan, but
[3:22:47]
that is the only hand that I
[3:22:47]
have up Anybody else wants to
[3:22:49]
make a comment. Raise your
[3:22:53]
hand or star 9. Alan, I have
[3:22:54]
enabled your permissions. Go
[3:22:58]
right ahead.
[3:23:00]
>> think you really wanted to
[3:23:02]
there person tonight, needed
[3:23:05]
to at least call Thank
[3:23:07]
everyone in security coalition
[3:23:11]
who worked so hard to make
[3:23:14]
this happen and everyone
[3:23:14]
continuously been showing up
[3:23:17]
to city Council want to thank
[3:23:19]
the council as well. If they
[3:23:21]
coming to you and making
[3:23:26]
public comment for many, many
[3:23:31]
decades. And this the the
[3:23:31]
first time that I've ever
[3:23:33]
actually felt heard.
[3:23:37]
>> I was one of those people
[3:23:38]
Jason mentioned, who was also
[3:23:40]
trying to get you to pass a
[3:23:41]
ceasefire resolution
[3:23:42]
Palestine. That was just one
[3:23:45]
of the many times we just not
[3:23:48]
hurt at all. So thank you for
[3:23:49]
for finally getting it right
[3:23:51]
this time.
[3:23:53]
>> Thank you, Allan. Moving on
[3:23:56]
to Chris 10. Kristen, I've
[3:23:57]
been able permissions go right
[3:24:05]
ahead. Kristen. Huge step to
[3:24:17]
unmute yourself. We MAY be
[3:24:18]
having some technical
[3:24:32]
difficulties with Kristen.
[3:24:33]
Kristen, we can't hear you.
[3:24:33]
You're going to have to unmute
[3:24:39]
yourself. Kristen has changed
[3:24:41]
her mind. Mayor, she has
[3:24:44]
lowered her hand been that all
[3:24:44]
she wrote.
[3:24:45]
>> Thank you very much.
[3:24:46]
Alright, we'll close public
[3:24:52]
comment. Week. We closed in
[3:24:59]
public comment wine. Go go for
[3:25:03]
it. The wind.
[3:25:06]
>> That I'm from Roseland. I
[3:25:07]
thank you for the opportunity
[3:25:09]
to speak. I know it's very
[3:25:09]
difficult to give us the time
[3:25:12]
you would like to. I like to
[3:25:13]
thank all these people that
[3:25:15]
came to speak and all the
[3:25:17]
people that have come so many
[3:25:19]
times before to speak and try
[3:25:21]
to influence any decisions
[3:25:24]
they come from this body. It's
[3:25:25]
very important that we keep in
[3:25:28]
mind and a Democratic
[3:25:29]
situation that we listen to
[3:25:31]
the folks who are the voters.
[3:25:33]
We give them a chance to be
[3:25:35]
heard and then act upon what
[3:25:37]
has been said in the meeting.
[3:25:38]
I'm very glad that you took
[3:25:41]
the actions you did today. But
[3:25:42]
I do believe you could be
[3:25:45]
giving more time to listen to
[3:25:47]
the people. And you should
[3:25:48]
also taking account what that
[3:25:51]
man Allen said. I've never
[3:25:53]
met, but he pointed out how
[3:25:55]
you ignore a lot of big issues
[3:25:57]
for a long time. And then
[3:26:00]
occasionally pay attention,
[3:26:01]
pay attention to all the
[3:26:01]
issues all the time. Thank
[3:26:07]
you.
[3:26:07]
>> All right. We're gonna
[3:26:08]
close public comment and I'm
[3:26:09]
going to bring it back to the
[3:26:11]
Some looking for for a motion
[3:26:11]
from this been Willows. Plus,
[3:26:18]
any final discussion. If there
[3:26:18]
is any but motion first,
[3:26:19]
family, los, there's something
[3:26:21]
on that on the table.
[3:26:23]
>> Just thank you again. Thank
[3:26:23]
And I thank all of you,
[3:26:29]
especially. And it's really
[3:26:30]
>> honor to move to adopt a
[3:26:33]
resolution and introduce.
[3:26:33]
>> An ordinance as presented
[3:26:40]
by staff. Probably second.
[3:26:40]
>> All right. We have a
[3:26:44]
motion. We have a second.
[3:26:45]
MADAM City clerk can call the
[3:26:47]
vote whenever you're ready.
[3:26:49]
>> Thank you. Mayor
[3:26:49]
Councilmember Rogers, I
[3:26:52]
Councilmember Macdonald, I
[3:26:53]
councilmember Fleming
[3:26:54]
Councilmember Ben well oath.
[3:26:55]
Yes, Councilmember Alvarez
[3:26:58]
Vice Mayor Okrepkie. I mayor
[3:26:59]
stop. Yes. Let the record show
[3:27:09]
this passes unanimously.
[3:27:10]
>> Thank you. Thank you to all
[3:27:12]
the commuters who came so many
[3:27:15]
weeks and again to our city
[3:27:16]
manager, city attorney, our
[3:27:18]
legal teams. Is a lot of a lot
[3:27:19]
of time. So thank you very
[3:27:19]
much for shepherding this
[3:27:24]
through. All right, folks,
[3:27:24]
thank you. Thank you very much
[3:27:27]
for coming out again. And with
[3:27:32]
and with that. We're going to
[3:27:36]
hop up to item 15.1. Our
[3:27:39]
report on the reservoir report
[3:27:39]
concerning the resolution of
[3:27:40]
the city council. The city of
[3:27:43]
Santa Rosa proclaiming a local
[3:27:44]
emergency related the threat
[3:27:44]
of severe weather storms,
[3:27:47]
flooding and other hazardous
[3:27:48]
conditions associated with the
[3:27:57]
2026. 2027 Nino event. Chief
[3:27:58]
Westrope, thanks for being
[3:28:04]
here this evening. Good
[3:28:06]
evening. Thank Good evening,
[3:28:07]
Mayor. Members, council
[3:28:08]
SkyWest, real fire chief, the
[3:28:10]
city of Santa Rosa.
[3:28:14]
>> Today I am bringing forward
[3:28:17]
proactive proclamation of
[3:28:20]
emergency. Thank those at the
[3:28:20]
end later announces interim
[3:28:21]
city manager on the
[3:28:22]
presentation. Delegation is
[3:28:26]
the key to success. So just
[3:28:30]
some real quick Keep this
[3:28:31]
short. Noaa is forecasting a
[3:28:33]
very strong El Nino event
[3:28:37]
through the winner of 26 27.
[3:28:39]
We've been working with our
[3:28:39]
partners at the National
[3:28:40]
Weather Service and just had a
[3:28:43]
briefing recently as expects
[3:28:44]
staff and just surfer some
[3:28:46]
quick background on the news.
[3:28:47]
And though Nick phenomenon,
[3:28:48]
it's not a storm or steering
[3:28:52]
series of storms. There's 100%
[3:28:53]
chance of a very strong El
[3:28:53]
Nino this year, actually
[3:28:56]
already in it. What you're
[3:28:56]
seeing with the king to the
[3:28:57]
king tides in the Kelvin ties
[3:29:01]
throughout the state. There's
[3:29:03]
a high likelihood and 83%
[3:29:04]
chance of an historic event
[3:29:05]
that would exceed the strength
[3:29:05]
of previous on the new events
[3:29:10]
dating back to 1950. While
[3:29:11]
stronger. El Nino events can
[3:29:12]
more significantly tilt the
[3:29:13]
odds in favor of expected
[3:29:15]
outcomes beat him in a strong
[3:29:16]
El Nino events do not lead to
[3:29:16]
the expected impact
[3:29:21]
everywhere. The message is
[3:29:22]
there, that only new is here
[3:29:23]
now and then you'll be here
[3:29:25]
through the winter? Well, we
[3:29:26]
were essentially told directly
[3:29:27]
from the National Weather
[3:29:28]
Service is we don't know where
[3:29:29]
it's going to land if it's
[3:29:31]
going to land in Santa Rosa or
[3:29:32]
what the intensity will be. So
[3:29:34]
it could be normal rainfall.
[3:29:35]
It could very high rainfall.
[3:29:36]
We're just not sure. And we
[3:29:41]
won't know until it happens.
[3:29:42]
This proclamation is following
[3:29:42]
the state who declared a
[3:29:44]
practiced emergency. SEPTEMBER
[3:29:47]
21st of 2026. And also the
[3:29:48]
county of snow in the city of
[3:29:53]
Cloverdale followed suit. As
[3:29:55]
we all know, potential impacts
[3:29:56]
for Santa Rosa will include
[3:30:00]
intense rainfall, localized
[3:30:01]
flooding creek in storm water.
[3:30:03]
Inundation erosion, landslide
[3:30:03]
s#
[3:30:04]
, instability, fallen
[3:30:06]
trees, storm-related, debris,
[3:30:06]
electrical outages,
[3:30:10]
transportation public moment.
[3:30:11]
>> Transportation disruptions
[3:30:12]
potential damage to public
[3:30:13]
infrastructure and private
[3:30:14]
property. Lauren, you're
[3:30:20]
Mike's on. So what are we
[3:30:26]
doing to prepare? So the city
[3:30:28]
is being very proactive across
[3:30:29]
all departments. This is this
[3:30:32]
part of the proactive
[3:30:34]
approach.
[3:30:35]
>> dpw has gone out and
[3:30:36]
targeted specific drained
[3:30:37]
repairs. Maintenance of city
[3:30:39]
maintained range facilities
[3:30:41]
and creeks, probably the
[3:30:42]
biggest thing that we've done,
[3:30:43]
the effort that we're
[3:30:44]
undertaking is coordinating
[3:30:45]
preparedness activities across
[3:30:47]
city departments. Our
[3:30:48]
emergency managers, both the
[3:30:49]
playbook to make sure that all
[3:30:51]
departments are proactively
[3:30:52]
engaged in mitigation
[3:30:54]
activities and response
[3:30:55]
enhancements. We're monitoring
[3:30:56]
the weather. We had the
[3:30:59]
ability to monitor creek
[3:31:00]
conditions through the water
[3:31:04]
through Sonoma County water.
[3:31:04]
We're preparing our personnel
[3:31:07]
equipment, response, resources
[3:31:08]
recording with our county
[3:31:10]
partners and state agencies.
[3:31:13]
And we are preparing in have
[3:31:14]
prepared a public information
[3:31:14]
and sandbag resources as
[3:31:18]
warranted. So what is the
[3:31:19]
proclamation do? And for
[3:31:22]
formally recognize the
[3:31:22]
potential threat. It
[3:31:23]
establishes the framework for
[3:31:24]
coordinate emergency
[3:31:27]
preparedness and response. It
[3:31:28]
authorizes the city manager or
[3:31:30]
designee to coordinate
[3:31:30]
appropriate response
[3:31:33]
activities consistent with
[3:31:33]
applicable law, adopted
[3:31:34]
emergency plans and available
[3:31:38]
appropriations. It supports
[3:31:38]
coordination with the county
[3:31:39]
state and regional maker
[3:31:42]
Emergency Management partners,
[3:31:43]
the rural choir renewal every
[3:31:44]
60 days in can be terminated
[3:31:46]
when conditions warrant.
[3:31:50]
Before moving on to the
[3:31:51]
recommendations. The message
[3:31:52]
that we want to convey is that
[3:31:54]
the city is ready. We're doing
[3:31:55]
everything we can to be
[3:31:56]
prepared for both mitigation
[3:32:00]
efforts and response efforts.
[3:32:00]
We're doing everything ahead
[3:32:01]
of time and rest of the
[3:32:03]
community to do the same. So
[3:32:05]
just like I talk about with
[3:32:07]
the fire threat with water
[3:32:07]
threat, every resident, every
[3:32:08]
dwelling, every business,
[3:32:10]
every structure will make a
[3:32:13]
difference. Tips for that can
[3:32:14]
be found already on sr City
[3:32:18]
Dot org. Slash know me know
[3:32:19]
Cierra teams put together a
[3:32:21]
great Web page with the
[3:32:21]
different mitigation and
[3:32:22]
preparation activities for the
[3:32:25]
community. And lastly, I'd
[3:32:27]
like to acknowledge and thinks
[3:32:28]
thank those who put this
[3:32:29]
together. That would be
[3:32:30]
Lindsay Dority out of the sea
[3:32:33]
at city manager's office. Adam
[3:32:33]
Luna out of the city
[3:32:34]
attorney's office in Bregman,
[3:32:37]
our emergency manager. I
[3:32:38]
really had nothing to do with
[3:32:39]
this other than presenting.
[3:32:40]
And want to give credit where
[3:32:43]
credit is due. So at that, the
[3:32:45]
right to the city manager's
[3:32:46]
office recommends the council
[3:32:48]
by resolution proclaiming a
[3:32:51]
local emergency really to the
[3:32:53]
to the threat of severe winter
[3:32:53]
storms, flooding and other
[3:32:54]
hazardous conditions and slick
[3:32:57]
associated with the 26 Nino
[3:32:58]
event. With that, I will turn
[3:33:01]
for any questions. Thank you.
[3:33:02]
This was a very moving
[3:33:02]
presentation. Chief Westrope.
[3:33:06]
You did a great job. Of public
[3:33:07]
input. I'm All right.
[3:33:07]
Questions or questions from
[3:33:12]
council.
[3:33:13]
>> I guess just one from a I
[3:33:14]
mean, the first city in Sonoma
[3:33:15]
County to come forward with
[3:33:16]
this for this ordinance will
[3:33:18]
be the second cloverdale is
[3:33:23]
the first. Are you kidding All
[3:33:25]
right. Well, and that runs by
[3:33:28]
talking point. Never mind what
[3:33:28]
is where we're starting edge
[3:33:29]
MAY we're still right there on
[3:33:35]
the cutting We are the largest
[3:33:35]
city in Seminole County to
[3:33:37]
want to proactively declare an
[3:33:38]
emergency. I want tell me they
[3:33:39]
were first of I could I could
[3:33:41]
point out that just in
[3:33:42]
tonight's meeting with
[3:33:42]
established that we are the
[3:33:44]
most pro housing city in the
[3:33:48]
state. We have the toughest
[3:33:49]
immigration immigration
[3:33:52]
ordinances in the North Bay.
[3:33:53]
And resolution. And I want to
[3:33:54]
say that we were the first
[3:33:54]
stage in the most the most
[3:33:56]
emergency prepared. I would I
[3:34:00]
would say that is accurate.
[3:34:01]
This quarter has been used to,
[3:34:02]
they have an emergency
[3:34:04]
vehicles. Do you have any
[3:34:06]
resources? We actually have
[3:34:07]
stuff we can do, right. Fire
[3:34:10]
Department police Department.
[3:34:10]
Okay. I'm sorry. I've lost.
[3:34:11]
I've lost the thread here.
[3:34:12]
Alright, let's open up the
[3:34:14]
public comment. Are there any
[3:34:15]
members of the public in
[3:34:16]
council chambers who wish to
[3:34:16]
speak? Of course, MISTER
[3:34:21]
DeWitt Go for it.
[3:34:23]
>> Anna, thank you for passing
[3:34:25]
this. I wanted to thank the
[3:34:26]
staff that's been paying
[3:34:28]
attention to Roseland Creek
[3:34:30]
recently. We've been talking
[3:34:31]
about the need is there for a
[3:34:35]
long time and in conjunction
[3:34:36]
with the county and
[3:34:38]
collaboration and looks like
[3:34:40]
there's actually been some
[3:34:42]
activity to clear the bridges.
[3:34:47]
At Burbank Avenue and McMahon
[3:34:49]
Avenue of the bicycle parts
[3:34:52]
that the bike thieves
[3:34:52]
basically reside in the
[3:34:55]
Roseland Creek area. Have been
[3:34:58]
storing under those bridges.
[3:34:59]
So it's very important that
[3:35:02]
you keep this going. We
[3:35:03]
haven't had the major range
[3:35:05]
yet. We've just had a few
[3:35:07]
small ones. If we get the big
[3:35:09]
ones going, those bike parts
[3:35:10]
will flow and you'll end up
[3:35:13]
having those steel parts stuck
[3:35:15]
in to the branches that are
[3:35:19]
along the creek over at the
[3:35:20]
Rosalynn school district
[3:35:23]
property to the west of the
[3:35:24]
city's properties. So this is
[3:35:25]
an opportunity for you, folks
[3:35:27]
to be ahead of it. And I thank
[3:35:29]
you again that you're doing
[3:35:32]
it. And I wanted to also point
[3:35:32]
out that one of the best
[3:35:37]
things. About being prepared
[3:35:39]
is hopefully you won't be
[3:35:41]
surprised when the big rain
[3:35:42]
does hit because it MAY hit
[3:35:45]
when we least expected. We've
[3:35:46]
had these nice days and we're
[3:35:48]
just like getting lot here.
[3:35:49]
But we're going to get some
[3:35:51]
what my grandfather used to
[3:35:53]
call goalie washers coming
[3:35:56]
pretty soon. Probably so.
[3:35:57]
Let's be ready for that. Thank
[3:36:01]
you again for your efforts at
[3:36:03]
Roseland Creek McMinn Avenue
[3:36:04]
Bridge and Roseland Creek,
[3:36:06]
Burbank Avenue Bridge. Keep up
[3:36:09]
the good stuff. Thanks to a
[3:36:14]
mri over. All We to take a
[3:36:18]
drive past
[3:36:19]
>> John's homeless children.
[3:36:20]
Take a look at would would
[3:36:24]
just turn into. Since he was
[3:36:25]
there with an open. And it's
[3:36:29]
change to for the worst. I
[3:36:29]
drove past there and the
[3:36:33]
camping in the ditch. Has
[3:36:33]
grown to a massive proportion
[3:36:36]
cross the street. It is huge
[3:36:41]
this point. And it looks like
[3:36:42]
it's apparently be entirely
[3:36:44]
ignored. And, you know,
[3:36:48]
camping in a ditch. That
[3:36:49]
impedes the flow water. So
[3:36:49]
just get them the h#
[3:36:54]
out of
[3:36:55]
>> Thank you, Michael. Is
[3:36:56]
there a males in council
[3:37:00]
chambers who wishes to speak?
[3:37:01]
Seeing none online learning
[3:37:01]
anybody online with her hand
[3:37:02]
raised anybody. The All-Star
[3:37:04]
9.
[3:37:04]
>> Negative mayor. I scared
[3:37:08]
them all off.
[3:37:08]
>> Thank you. And we will
[3:37:09]
close public comment and I'll
[3:37:10]
bring it back to council.
[3:37:13]
MISTER Alvarez with Emotion.
[3:37:13]
>> Thank you, mayor. And I
[3:37:14]
like to make a motion to adopt
[3:37:17]
a resolution as presented by
[3:37:19]
staff All right. We have a
[3:37:20]
motion with a second by MISS
[3:37:21]
McDonald. MADAM City Clerk can
[3:37:22]
call a vote whenever you're
[3:37:22]
ready.
[3:37:24]
>> Thank you. Councilmember
[3:37:26]
Rogers, Councilmember
[3:37:28]
MacDonald, I councilmember
[3:37:29]
Fleming Councilmember Ben
[3:37:31]
Willows. Yes, Councilmember
[3:37:31]
Alvarez.
[3:37:35]
>> Vice mayor a cookie. Maher
[3:37:37]
step. Yes. Let the record show
[3:37:38]
this passes. 6 affirmative
[3:37:38]
votes and Vice Mayor Crappie
[3:37:41]
absent.
[3:37:42]
>> All right. Thank you very
[3:37:43]
much. All right. Now we're
[3:37:44]
know, we're clicking along.
[3:37:46]
Let's go back and do some of
[3:37:48]
the earlier items starting
[3:37:48]
with item 6, our report, if
[3:37:50]
any on closed session Crocker,
[3:37:52]
any report from closed
[3:37:53]
session.
[3:37:54]
>> Thank you, mayor. The
[3:37:56]
council did meet in closed
[3:37:57]
session direction was given to
[3:37:58]
staff, but no reportable
[3:38:00]
actions were taken.
[3:38:01]
>> Thank you very much. All
[3:38:03]
right. We'll go to item 8.1.
[3:38:04]
Our community Empowerment Plan
[3:38:09]
update. Didn't MISS Horta or
[3:38:09]
MISS Wood? Alright, misty,
[3:38:18]
come on down
[3:38:19]
>> all right. Good evening,
[3:38:20]
mayor and council members
[3:38:24]
Misti Wood community. Forgive
[3:38:26]
me if communications and
[3:38:27]
intergovernmental relations
[3:38:27]
officer presenting the
[3:38:28]
community Empowerment Plan
[3:38:31]
update on behalf of Anna or
[3:38:31]
i'm gonna switch it up a
[3:38:34]
little bit and just talk about
[3:38:35]
result from 2 recent events of
[3:38:38]
that and then go into some
[3:38:39]
upcoming events. Santa Rosa
[3:38:40]
Police Department hosted a
[3:38:40]
really successful trunk or
[3:38:42]
treat on OCTOBER 29th that I
[3:38:43]
think most of you, if not all
[3:38:44]
of you were there and
[3:38:46]
sometimes in costume, the
[3:38:48]
event brought together about
[3:38:51]
4,000 attendees for treats a
[3:38:52]
petting zoo and community
[3:38:53]
building and relationship
[3:38:54]
building. So thank you to
[3:38:54]
everybody who attended that
[3:38:55]
and for the police department
[3:38:56]
for their efforts and putting
[3:38:59]
that on. And next we had about
[3:39:00]
340 community members
[3:39:02]
participate in the Southeast
[3:39:04]
Greenway, English Language
[3:39:06]
workshop on NOVEMBER 4th at
[3:39:07]
about 50 committee members
[3:39:08]
participate in the Spanish
[3:39:08]
language workshop. The
[3:39:12]
following day. So we
[3:39:13]
appreciate everybody who
[3:39:13]
showed up to share their
[3:39:14]
vision for what the Southeast
[3:39:15]
Greenway could look like in
[3:39:18]
time. Looking ahead to the
[3:39:19]
holidays, we have that Santa
[3:39:21]
was a turkey trot at Old
[3:39:23]
Courthouse Square on NOVEMBER.
[3:39:25]
26th that starts at 08:30am
[3:39:26]
and that benefits the Redwood
[3:39:29]
Empire Food Bank. Several city
[3:39:29]
departments will be there as
[3:39:33]
well participating. On
[3:39:34]
NOVEMBER 27th. We have the
[3:39:36]
annual tree lighting ceremony
[3:39:37]
in courthouse square from
[3:39:38]
04:00pm to 07:00pm. This is a
[3:39:39]
big one that's been going on
[3:39:40]
for more than 40 years. We'll
[3:39:41]
have our police department and
[3:39:43]
fire department there. And
[3:39:44]
it's a good time to come out,
[3:39:45]
build community support, local
[3:39:49]
businesses. Next up, we have
[3:39:50]
our holiday toy Drive, which
[3:39:52]
is being hosted by Santa Rosa
[3:39:54]
Police Department. So now
[3:39:55]
through DECEMBER 13th, if you
[3:39:58]
are able to do so we are
[3:39:58]
requesting new unwrapped toys
[3:40:01]
for children of all ages. I
[3:40:02]
will just say typically older
[3:40:04]
children get left out of these
[3:40:05]
things. So I would consider if
[3:40:06]
you're going to donate to look
[3:40:07]
for those older teenager
[3:40:10]
teenager appropriate gifts,
[3:40:11]
toys can be dropped off at the
[3:40:12]
police department. Front lobby
[3:40:16]
at 9.65 Sonoma Avenue and last
[3:40:17]
but not least the Violence
[3:40:17]
Prevention Partnership
[3:40:18]
Committee survey is still
[3:40:20]
going. It closes on NOVEMBER.
[3:40:22]
12th. We encourage everybody
[3:40:23]
to share their thoughts on
[3:40:25]
youth violence. King
[3:40:27]
participation and city
[3:40:28]
violence prevention part
[3:40:29]
priorities at sr City Dot org.
[3:40:32]
Slash the partnership. That
[3:40:33]
concludes my report for this
[3:40:34]
evening. And I'm available for
[3:40:35]
any questions. The council MAY
[3:40:37]
have. Thank you very much.
[3:40:38]
Looking to council for any
[3:40:42]
questions.
[3:40:45]
>> Now just us, confirmation
[3:40:46]
on the great events to trunk
[3:40:49]
or Also that the Greenway
[3:40:50]
Questor the Greenway community
[3:40:51]
gathering the informational
[3:40:53]
session. They were both packed
[3:40:54]
and great energy. Thank you.
[3:40:54]
Thank you so much to for
[3:40:58]
assisting with those. What a
[3:40:58]
public comment. Anybody in
[3:41:00]
council chambers which
[3:41:00]
department wish to comment on
[3:41:03]
on any of these reports.
[3:41:04]
Seeing online. Lauren, anybody
[3:41:05]
online with her hand and
[3:41:06]
raised.
[3:41:10]
>> Nope.
[3:41:11]
>> All right. We will. We will
[3:41:12]
close this item. Misty, thank
[3:41:13]
you very much for filling in
[3:41:16]
for an a on to item 9. Our
[3:41:17]
city manager and city
[3:41:19]
attorneys reports. Manager,
[3:41:23]
not anything from you. I thank
[3:41:23]
you, Mayor. I've just one
[3:41:25]
quick thing to announce really
[3:41:26]
excited that the Kiwanis
[3:41:29]
Springs Community Park Gardens
[3:41:29]
Project received the 2026
[3:41:30]
North Bay Business Journal's
[3:41:32]
Excellence in Construction
[3:41:34]
Award.
[3:41:34]
>> The annual recognition
[3:41:35]
Recognition highlights 20 of
[3:41:37]
the North Bay's most inspiring
[3:41:39]
construction projects and
[3:41:40]
designs. And this gardens
[3:41:40]
project is anticipated to be
[3:41:42]
completed by the end of
[3:41:45]
NOVEMBER brain. This new space
[3:41:46]
for gardening and community
[3:41:46]
connection. One step closer to
[3:41:49]
opening for residents. Also
[3:41:50]
want to congratulate our city
[3:41:52]
Staff Project Partners and
[3:41:52]
community members whose
[3:41:53]
efforts helped bring this
[3:41:55]
project to life. And if you're
[3:41:56]
interested in learning more
[3:41:57]
about that, you can go to sr
[3:42:00]
City Dot org forward slash
[3:42:00]
Cohen, a springs park and
[3:42:04]
gardens. And that concludes my
[3:42:05]
report. Thank you very much.
[3:42:08]
MADAM City, Attorney.
[3:42:08]
>> Thank you, mayor. No
[3:42:12]
reports this evening. Thank
[3:42:14]
you public comment. Any member
[3:42:14]
of the public in council
[3:42:15]
chambers wish to comment the
[3:42:18]
report. Seeing none of online.
[3:42:19]
Lauren, anybody online with
[3:42:22]
her hand raised.
[3:42:25]
>> Same here. No takers.
[3:42:28]
>> Alright, we'll close public
[3:42:29]
comment and go on item 11. Our
[3:42:31]
mayor and Councilmembers
[3:42:32]
reports any any reports or any
[3:42:33]
members of council this
[3:42:34]
evening, Ms Rogers, you can
[3:42:35]
start us off.
[3:42:40]
>> I I will be quick. Wanted
[3:42:42]
Srpd in the city departments
[3:42:44]
that participated in our trunk
[3:42:49]
or treat. It was a lot of fun.
[3:42:50]
>> Councilmember MacDonald,
[3:42:51]
mayor was there Councilmember
[3:42:53]
Ben way Love I think was I the
[3:42:57]
only one dress that but either
[3:43:00]
way, it was a lot of fun and
[3:43:04]
also want to
[3:43:04]
>> report that there was a
[3:43:05]
lack intact meeting on
[3:43:08]
NOVEMBER. Second, it it was
[3:43:10]
the last meeting.
[3:43:14]
>> For a
[3:43:15]
>> supervisor David Rabbit. So
[3:43:18]
he was acknowledged along with
[3:43:21]
other members of of the whack
[3:43:24]
that will not be with us as we
[3:43:26]
continue along either because
[3:43:30]
they will not be appointed Orr
[3:43:32]
that they will not be sitting
[3:43:35]
on local Thank them for for
[3:43:37]
their service second annual
[3:43:44]
tunnels to attack Powers 5 k
[3:43:46]
was this past was able to see
[3:43:51]
the mayor there stop by. But a
[3:43:54]
big thank you to Chad hedge
[3:43:58]
our parking manager. And I
[3:43:59]
will go into saying that
[3:44:02]
tomorrow is Veterans Day and
[3:44:05]
at 10 30, we will be meeting
[3:44:06]
here at City Hall at the flag
[3:44:09]
pole for a flag raising. So
[3:44:13]
thank you to our local
[3:44:16]
veterans for putting this
[3:44:17]
together we will be hearing
[3:44:22]
from 3 speakers, 2 of which
[3:44:23]
are I very Santa Rosa Fire in
[3:44:27]
center of the pd, but they
[3:44:28]
will be speaking about
[3:44:31]
continued service. So not only
[3:44:34]
did they serve in the
[3:44:34]
military, an armed forces, but
[3:44:36]
they actually continue to come
[3:44:38]
back to the community and
[3:44:40]
serve. So we would like to
[3:44:41]
thank them for speaking
[3:44:45]
tomorrow and it. Although
[3:44:48]
she's gone. I do want this is
[3:44:49]
my last time that I can do
[3:44:52]
this. But I remember
[3:44:53]
Victoria's Birthday,
[3:44:54]
Councilmember Fleming, which
[3:44:56]
is tomorrow. Wish her a happy
[3:44:58]
birthday because she asked me
[3:45:00]
my first year of council. What
[3:45:03]
are you doing tomorrow? And I
[3:45:04]
said, oh, nothing. And she
[3:45:05]
said you're going to come to
[3:45:09]
that. The Veterans Day event
[3:45:10]
it was at that time that I
[3:45:13]
fell in love and cottages kept
[3:45:15]
it push in and making sure
[3:45:17]
that every year that it is
[3:45:19]
just bigger and better and
[3:45:21]
greater. So happy birthday.
[3:45:23]
Big story of family planning.
[3:45:27]
Thank you. MISS McDonald.
[3:45:28]
Thank you, mayor. Just a few
[3:45:29]
things to report. I want to
[3:45:31]
thank Sonoma State for hosting
[3:45:33]
the economic development
[3:45:34]
class.
[3:45:37]
>> the PRESIDENT Of Sonoma
[3:45:38]
State had a couple great
[3:45:40]
remarks and I love Snapple
[3:45:41]
facts. For those of you
[3:45:43]
remember that commercial. But
[3:45:45]
he said there's 6.5 million
[3:45:48]
people in the state of
[3:45:49]
California that have started
[3:45:51]
on their degree but haven't
[3:45:52]
finished yet. And because of
[3:45:54]
the debt that they've incurred
[3:45:55]
in those student loans, that
[3:45:56]
it's actually worse for them
[3:45:56]
than if they had just
[3:45:58]
graduated high school and had
[3:46:00]
a diploma. And one of the
[3:46:01]
things that they suggested we
[3:46:04]
do is as employers as we
[3:46:05]
really commit to helping
[3:46:07]
people finish those degrees so
[3:46:09]
that they can move on. So I
[3:46:10]
just want to thank him for his
[3:46:11]
comments and for hosting. That
[3:46:13]
was a great event. I along
[3:46:14]
with Councilmember Rogers
[3:46:19]
Mayor stop as well as
[3:46:19]
councilmember our as attended
[3:46:23]
the foresees championed for
[3:46:25]
children luncheon this year.
[3:46:25]
And they raised about
[3:46:30]
$141,000. If I recall and just
[3:46:31]
want to say thank you for the
[3:46:31]
invitation to attend that they
[3:46:35]
got some money from some of
[3:46:36]
us. I think it's great. Want
[3:46:38]
to congratulate the winners of
[3:46:41]
that. We met with our federal
[3:46:44]
legislative partners this
[3:46:46]
morning about the landscape of
[3:46:46]
what's going on federally. And
[3:46:50]
I want to congratulate our new
[3:46:52]
Congress and my choir on his
[3:46:53]
win as well as Melanie Jones
[3:46:56]
Carter, who will be joining us
[3:46:57]
and the new feature on center
[3:47:01]
of the City Council. And last
[3:47:03]
I want to say thank you to
[3:47:04]
Christian who is on my arts
[3:47:08]
community. I commissioned for
[3:47:09]
taking me out to Howard Park
[3:47:12]
to see the monarch butterflies
[3:47:13]
while they were there, they're
[3:47:14]
giant knew it was really a
[3:47:16]
cool thing to go and see
[3:47:17]
should maybe go for a walk
[3:47:17]
with my pug dog in both of us.
[3:47:22]
Want to die. So thank you,
[3:47:23]
Kristen, for getting me out
[3:47:24]
there and and thank you the
[3:47:25]
Arts Committee for having that
[3:47:31]
our part for us enjoy. Thank
[3:47:33]
Are already just 3, 3 super
[3:47:35]
quick 3 super quick ones for
[3:47:36]
me.
[3:47:37]
>> So as we talked about
[3:47:39]
earlier center was and leaves
[3:47:40]
leads the east, the region in
[3:47:43]
terms of housing and immigrant
[3:47:45]
community and our emergency
[3:47:47]
response. But there's a 4th
[3:47:48]
way in which we meet our
[3:47:48]
community, which became
[3:47:49]
apparent this week at the
[3:47:50]
Sonoma Clean Power Board
[3:47:53]
meeting where clean power will
[3:47:55]
now be forming and sharing a
[3:47:56]
statewide group focused on
[3:47:59]
pushing for geothermal
[3:48:00]
exploration with particular
[3:48:01]
reference to our region. We
[3:48:01]
already have the world's
[3:48:02]
largest geothermal field and
[3:48:03]
want to do more. And some
[3:48:06]
clean power's leading the way.
[3:48:07]
And it's amazing that that it
[3:48:08]
is, you know, here, our
[3:48:08]
region, our city, that helping
[3:48:12]
to push that forward. And then
[3:48:13]
secondly, have posted a week
[3:48:14]
ago here in council chambers,
[3:48:16]
the young entrepreneur
[3:48:18]
showcase thanks to staff for
[3:48:20]
helping to put that together.
[3:48:21]
We had I forget how many
[3:48:22]
students, young students who
[3:48:25]
had viable business is really
[3:48:26]
impressive, viable businesses.
[3:48:28]
They came. They gave their
[3:48:29]
pitch. They received some some
[3:48:29]
seed money in return to help
[3:48:33]
them grow their businesses. It
[3:48:33]
was it's exactly what we need
[3:48:34]
the community and thanks again
[3:48:38]
to the and made that possible.
[3:48:39]
And then finally, just a
[3:48:40]
general saying so I'm sure is
[3:48:42]
shared by everybody here on
[3:48:43]
the Thank you to the residents
[3:48:45]
of Santa Rosa for supporting
[3:48:47]
measure out. We've got that.
[3:48:49]
We've got the pd here in the
[3:48:50]
House by all means what we
[3:48:51]
want that to be want our
[3:48:52]
residents to know how
[3:48:53]
appreciative we are of that of
[3:48:54]
the community's trust in the
[3:48:56]
leadership here in the city
[3:48:58]
and their awareness of what
[3:48:59]
measure Al that funding will
[3:49:00]
do to maintain public services
[3:49:02]
and to keep center is a
[3:49:03]
strong. So just allowed thanks
[3:49:06]
to to all of our residents.
[3:49:07]
And with that, we will go to
[3:49:10]
public comment on our mayor.
[3:49:11]
Councilmembers reports. Are
[3:49:11]
there any members of the
[3:49:13]
public wish to speak on any of
[3:49:21]
those items? Dwayne us off.
[3:49:21]
>> Thank former Mayor Natalie
[3:49:24]
Rogers for comments just a
[3:49:28]
moment ago about Veterans Day.
[3:49:28]
And the effort says she's been
[3:49:30]
putting forward for the last
[3:49:32]
few years. I really like to
[3:49:34]
also kind of re emphasize a
[3:49:36]
couple things and it starts
[3:49:37]
10:30am, in the morning out
[3:49:38]
there and that they raise the
[3:49:42]
flag 11. One of the best
[3:49:43]
things, Vols, if you'll open
[3:49:45]
up the toilets a 10. There's a
[3:49:48]
lot of folks that come here
[3:49:48]
and they don't know the
[3:49:50]
combination to those toilets
[3:49:53]
over there and then also
[3:49:54]
unlock the electric boxes over
[3:49:55]
here so we can make sure we
[3:49:56]
got the tower and then I
[3:50:00]
locked the flag poles.
[3:50:00]
Sometimes that doesn't get
[3:50:01]
done. We want to have
[3:50:02]
everything is smooth as
[3:50:05]
possible because lie. Former
[3:50:06]
Mayor Rogers says she wants a
[3:50:08]
bigger and better and this is
[3:50:10]
the way it's going to get
[3:50:11]
there. So thank you for doing
[3:50:12]
that. Thank you for your
[3:50:14]
report. Rogers. Thank you to
[3:50:22]
Wayne Michael.
[3:50:24]
>> Some claim Con job urge
[3:50:25]
everybody talked out of was
[3:50:27]
cooked up by some. Covid Thai
[3:50:31]
people who wanted to somehow
[3:50:32]
make money off you know,
[3:50:35]
electricity and settlement Pg
[3:50:40]
e manage better people not to
[3:50:40]
And second Lien Metro was a
[3:50:43]
con job. His primary intent
[3:50:47]
was to. Keep a lot of cops on
[3:50:49]
the payroll so they can chase
[3:50:49]
around after Nord norge. Hey,
[3:50:53]
news. Distributing the drugs
[3:50:58]
and all that stuff. 9 fights
[3:50:59]
you know, ghost guns and all
[3:51:05]
nonsense. Really? It wasn't
[3:51:05]
needed. It could have hand
[3:51:09]
with a. Sound budgetary
[3:51:11]
decisions to type the year.
[3:51:13]
Previous city manager proposal
[3:51:17]
you refuse to enact. So I
[3:51:18]
would say that the voters and
[3:51:23]
there's some cells. They
[3:51:24]
showed a lot of common sense.
[3:51:26]
And now you've got sales tax
[3:51:29]
to 10 and a half percent,
[3:51:30]
which is really harm small
[3:51:30]
businesses, restaurants and
[3:51:34]
all kind of things. So I
[3:51:35]
disagree with virtually
[3:51:36]
everything that was said
[3:51:37]
during council member in a new
[3:51:42]
report. All right. Thank you,
[3:51:43]
Michel. Anybody else in
[3:51:44]
council chambers. Please go
[3:51:47]
ahead.
[3:51:48]
>> Good evening. Thank you so
[3:51:49]
much. I just I'm confused
[3:51:51]
about the comment I heard
[3:51:53]
earlier about the limitations
[3:51:56]
for city council to respond to
[3:51:58]
your citizens. I've actually
[3:51:59]
seen it. I've seen comments
[3:52:02]
being responded to in the past
[3:52:04]
and these council reports are
[3:52:06]
seemed like as far as how the
[3:52:08]
agenda goes and what your
[3:52:09]
rules are, unless I'm
[3:52:10]
mistaken. That's the place for
[3:52:12]
you to respond to comments
[3:52:15]
from from the public. So many
[3:52:16]
other city council's take this
[3:52:17]
approach and of course, you
[3:52:19]
are a city council's so you
[3:52:23]
can make the rules and for
[3:52:24]
more interaction, more direct
[3:52:26]
response to your citizens,
[3:52:27]
which is why we come to these
[3:52:28]
meetings in the first place.
[3:52:32]
We used to have 3 minutes. I
[3:52:33]
just had a minute in order to
[3:52:35]
share my thoughts with you on
[3:52:37]
a really momentous moment.
[3:52:39]
Just not enough time that I've
[3:52:41]
been sitting on this meeting
[3:52:45]
since it started 4. So yeah, I
[3:52:46]
jumped out of 4 and was
[3:52:47]
listening. And so I only got a
[3:52:48]
minute to talk. So I think we
[3:52:51]
could do better. I think you
[3:52:52]
can the rules, whatever it is
[3:52:54]
you need to do. But we'd love
[3:52:58]
to hear responses during your
[3:52:58]
city Council reports. Thank
[3:53:01]
you. Thank you. Anybody else
[3:53:05]
in council chambers.
[3:53:06]
>> Seeing none. We'll go
[3:53:07]
online. Born anybody online.
[3:53:09]
With her hand raised. No
[3:53:13]
mayor, no one's here. Thank.
[3:53:14]
Thank you, Lauren. Alright,
[3:53:16]
we'll close public comment and
[3:53:17]
move on to item 12. Our
[3:53:19]
approval of minutes. Are there
[3:53:20]
any edits to our one set of
[3:53:24]
minutes? All right. What a
[3:53:24]
public comment. Any public
[3:53:28]
comment on the minutes. In
[3:53:30]
council chambers seeing none.
[3:53:31]
We'll go online warning on
[3:53:32]
their hands anyone in line
[3:53:33]
with her hand raised with with
[3:53:37]
comments on the minutes. Close
[3:53:38]
public comment and we adopt
[3:53:41]
the minutes as submitted. All
[3:53:42]
right. Which brings us to our
[3:53:45]
consent items. We have items,
[3:53:45]
13.1 through 13.5 on the
[3:53:48]
agenda this evening. Are there
[3:53:49]
any questions on any of these
[3:53:50]
items looking to my
[3:53:54]
colleagues. Seeing none over
[3:53:55]
the public comment any members
[3:53:56]
of the public like to comment
[3:53:57]
any of these items, MR. De
[3:54:00]
Wit, you have the floor.
[3:54:01]
>> My name is joined with I'm
[3:54:04]
from Roseland. This situation
[3:54:08]
of 13.4 where you use the
[3:54:10]
community development block
[3:54:11]
grants and the dri think
[3:54:12]
stands for the disaster
[3:54:16]
recovery. So a lot of folks in
[3:54:17]
the community understand how
[3:54:19]
such a large amount of money
[3:54:21]
has been coming through the
[3:54:23]
city. But then we're not seen
[3:54:24]
it actually going towards some
[3:54:28]
of the things we feel need to
[3:54:30]
be improved if you will
[3:54:36]
recovered. The fire was 9
[3:54:37]
years ago. There's a lot of
[3:54:38]
stuff that didn't get done.
[3:54:41]
And a lot of places during
[3:54:42]
this time. And 35 million
[3:54:44]
dollars is a lot of money and
[3:54:48]
we don't really and accounting
[3:54:54]
of I haven't found
[3:54:55]
>> item by item on a team that
[3:54:56]
shows us where the money's
[3:54:59]
been spent and how this stuff
[3:55:02]
goes. So I'd like for you
[3:55:04]
perhaps put together better
[3:55:05]
reports for the public to
[3:55:06]
understand how these large
[3:55:08]
amounts of money are being
[3:55:13]
utilized. Thank you kindly.
[3:55:13]
>> Thank you to Wayne. Are
[3:55:14]
there any other members of the
[3:55:15]
public would like in council
[3:55:19]
chambers would like to speak?
[3:55:19]
Seeing none. We'll go online
[3:55:20]
learning. Is there anybody in
[3:55:22]
line with their hands raised?
[3:55:26]
Negative? Alright, we'll close
[3:55:27]
public comment and I'm going
[3:55:27]
to work to MISS Been wheeless
[3:55:32]
from Ocean. I move to approve
[3:55:35]
consent items. 13.1.
[3:55:36]
>> Through 13.5 as presented
[3:55:39]
by staff.
[3:55:40]
>> All right. We have a
[3:55:42]
motion. We have a second by
[3:55:43]
MISS Rogers and city clerk.
[3:55:44]
You can call the vote whenever
[3:55:49]
you're reading. Thank you.
[3:55:52]
Mayor Councilmember Rogers,
[3:55:53]
Councilmember MacDonald, I
[3:55:56]
councilmember Fleming.
[3:55:57]
Councilmember Ben Yes,
[3:56:01]
Councilmember Alvarez. I vice
[3:56:02]
Mayor Crappie Maher, stop. Let
[3:56:04]
the record show this 5
[3:56:05]
affirmative votes and council
[3:56:08]
members. Vice Cookie and
[3:56:11]
Councilmember Fleming absent.
[3:56:14]
Thank you. MADAM City Clerk.
[3:56:16]
Alright, we were I would just
[3:56:16]
note for the public that item
[3:56:18]
7 there is there is one
[3:56:18]
written communication
[3:56:19]
regarding our quarterly
[3:56:20]
boards, commissions and
[3:56:21]
committees attendants report.
[3:56:23]
>> We move on to our final
[3:56:23]
item for the evening. Our
[3:56:25]
public comment on non agenda
[3:56:26]
matters. Are there any members
[3:56:28]
of the public who would like
[3:56:29]
to make comment on any items
[3:56:31]
not listed on the agenda, MR.
[3:56:34]
Do it. You can start as usual
[3:56:35]
>> yes, thank you, sir. I
[3:56:35]
appreciated my name is Dwayne
[3:56:40]
Do with it. I'm from Roseland.
[3:56:41]
It's nice to see in the
[3:56:42]
description of the public
[3:56:44]
comment on this item is that
[3:56:46]
it could be up to 3 minutes
[3:56:50]
and for decades, that was the
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standard that this council 3
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minutes for comments from the
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public on various items.
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Recently, it's been changed by
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Fiona, if you will. Somebody
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that's too long. 3 minutes for
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those people to speak. And
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then. While things were
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happening in the last few mint
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meetings. Comments were made
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about. We had time to kill.
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That. The people but the dies
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down there were like, well, we
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got we got time. We've got
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extra time. So we'll just talk
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about this year. We'll talk
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about that. And that kind of
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grates up on people. They look
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at it like wait a second.
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Here's the folks who are paid
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to be here. The public comes
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and sits for hours. To try to
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participate on things. And
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then you limit the amount of
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time that they can
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participate. That's actually a
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bit of a smack in the face to
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him. You MAY not see that
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because your busy thinking we
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have work to do and it's up to
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us. Well, actually, it's up to
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the voters to the taxpayers,
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the people who just basically
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gave you a free ride on some
[3:58:09]
big money coming up now. And
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you didn't really have that
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many discussions at length
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about this. So I'd like you to
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see the opportunity to put 3
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minutes back in there. There's
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no good reason not to have 3
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minutes for public comment.
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The people from the public to
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come here should be respected.
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There's almost a cavalier
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disregard on the part of some
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of the elected officials here
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and some of the paid staff are
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doing really well financially
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that like, oh, you're bother
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to us. Thanks to Wayne. Are
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there any other members of
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public would like to speak?
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Michael, are you making your
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way to podium?
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>> Thank you I would like to
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see in a county of how much
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police real resources are
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going to chase you around the.
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Gang members responding to a
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fight Knife encounters and
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shootings to their gang
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related. I think public would
[3:59:10]
be shocked to to the level of
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gang activity in Santa Rosa.
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How much public funds are
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being. Directed towards it.
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You know, and this just really
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getting worse. I want point
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out that I submitted a written
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online. Public comment and I'm
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surprised you order me to not
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speak. Since I did submit
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Sunday driving. But what I
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submitted was censored. And it
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had to do was like the police
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response to Montgomery High
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School in OCTOBER. 20th.
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Massive number of police
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officers were sent there. And
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the reason that goes on
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Montgomery High School is
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infested with Norte Angels.
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And think they own the place.
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And they're just constantly
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getting into fights. And I
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included the now a couple of
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pictures of presumably one of
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these gang affiliated Usu You
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know, Cotton caught on video
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fighting in front of school.
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You And they're just crowd
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around and they're like
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cheering them on and enjoy it.
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And all that. You know, the
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idea that we're spending. So
[4:00:29]
much public resources, Joey is
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just ridiculous and shows
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total lack of leadership.
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Always uplifting thank you,
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Michel. Anybody else in
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council chambers wish to
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speak.
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>> Seeing none. We'll go
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online. Lorne.
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>> Our zoom is gone. Quiet.
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Mayor, when folks we are
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officially adjourned. Thank