[0:01] Oh, there he is.

[0:05] » We good?

[0:07] >> Um, welcome to Santa Quinn City Council

[0:10] regular meeting. Happy, uh, St.

[0:14] Patrick's Day. It's the 17th of March.

[0:17] So, uh, good to have you all here and,

[0:20] uh, we'll get underway.

[0:22] >> We'll dispense with the roll call as

[0:25] everyone is present. Excuse me. and

[0:28] would like to ask if someone would like

[0:30] to lead us in a pledge of allegiance.

[0:33] >> I'll be glad to.

[0:35] >> We got a scout.

[0:36] >> We have a boy scout.

[0:39] >> Step up.

[0:39] >> Don't say no to that.

[0:40] >> Step up to the microphone.

[0:42] >> A man in uniform. Yes.

[0:48] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:51] United States of America

[0:53] >> and to the republic for which it stands,

[0:56] one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:59] liberty and justice for all.

[1:03] >> Thank you. I'd like to also ask if

[1:06] someone would like to offer an

[1:08] inspirational thought or give us an

[1:12] invocation.

[1:16] Mayor, I'd be happy to do that.

[1:17] >> Okay. Thank you.

[1:19] >> Our father in heaven, we come before

[1:21] thee at this time and thank thee for the

[1:22] opportunity we have to be here this

[1:24] evening to discuss the needs and

[1:25] concerns and items of business in San

[1:28] Quinn City. We ask thy spirit to be with

[1:29] us and we ask you to to please bless our

[1:33] public safety and our public works and

[1:34] all of our employees that they can be

[1:36] safe as they go about serving our

[1:37] community and our residents. And we ask

[1:40] thee to to do the same for us as we're

[1:42] here serving this night. and watch over

[1:44] our families as we're away from them

[1:45] that we may return home safely. We're

[1:46] grateful for all of our many blessings

[1:48] and all acknowledge thy hand in all

[1:50] things. And we say this in the name of

[1:52] thy son Jesus Christ. Amen.

[1:54] >> Amen.

[1:55] >> Thank you. Um I need to know if any of

[2:00] the council have a declaration of a

[2:02] potential conflict of interest on any of

[2:04] the items that we're going to discuss

[2:06] tonight.

[2:07] >> Seeing none, we'll move on and we'll go

[2:09] to the consent agenda. um start with

[2:13] minutes of March the 3rd for the work

[2:15] session. We've had a chance to read

[2:18] through them. Are there any additions or

[2:20] corrections? Any items that need to be

[2:22] brought up?

[2:24] Seeing none, we'll move on to uh the 3rd

[2:28] of March for the regular council

[2:31] meeting. Same question.

[2:34] No issues. Then we'll move on to the

[2:37] 27th of February, the council budget

[2:40] meeting, planning meeting minutes. Um,

[2:43] any issues or anything you want to bring

[2:45] up?

[2:46] >> No.

[2:47] >> And, uh, the 28th uh, council budget

[2:52] planning meeting minutes.

[2:54] Same question. Can um,

[2:58] can we include the the printouts? You

[3:00] have the PDFs, Snorm. Um

[3:03] >> I I thought we had done that.

[3:04] >> We just we just have what I presented on

[3:07] the presentation, not the printouts.

[3:09] >> Oh,

[3:09] >> that I handed out printed out.

[3:11] >> Oh, okay. So, yes, we can if you'll just

[3:14] make that part of your motion. We can

[3:15] add those to that. And I apologize. I

[3:17] thought we had those in there, but we'll

[3:18] make sure we get them. You're talking

[3:20] about the electronic files that you sent

[3:21] to me.

[3:22] >> Yes. That then we made the print outs

[3:24] from.

[3:24] >> There's three three groups of them.

[3:26] Those I still had at home. So,

[3:28] >> yeah. Yeah.

[3:29] >> I guess I could bring the papers in. I

[3:32] have he's got the PS too quickly.

[3:34] >> I've got them electronically. I'll get

[3:35] those to Stephanie if you'll just make

[3:36] that part of your motion.

[3:37] >> Yeah.

[3:38] >> Sorry about that. I thought we have

[3:39] that.

[3:40] >> It's not that big of a deal. That's why

[3:41] I'm bring it up now. It's not a big

[3:42] deal. So,

[3:43] >> okay. Final item with the consent agenda

[3:46] are the bills. Uh

[3:48] >> February 28th through March 13th,

[3:51] 649,64550.

[3:57] » Any questions or

[3:59] >> I I have a question. What's with the

[4:01] tablets? Um, was it Are we paying for

[4:04] service for like tablets?

[4:07] >> Yes. So, we have you'll see on our bills

[4:09] that we have lots of service. We have

[4:11] hotspots. We have tablets that have

[4:13] hotspots.

[4:14] >> Um, everything from our fire department

[4:16] to our police to our public works

[4:18] department. and our public works are

[4:20] have an incredible system that

[4:22] engineering has put together where they

[4:23] can actually take a tablet or their

[4:25] phone and go out on the street and say,

[4:27] "Yep, that valve is buried right here

[4:28] under the asphalt or under the road base

[4:30] or something like that." So, I'm not

[4:32] sure which ones these are, but yes,

[4:33] multiple departments have multiple

[4:35] tablets and and many of those tablets

[4:37] have cell service on them as well.

[4:39] >> Okay. Yeah. Anything else?

[4:43] >> Okay. Uh, we've discussed all those

[4:45] items, the minutes and the bills. I

[4:48] would entertain a motion on on the

[4:50] consent agenda.

[4:52] >> I'll make that motion to approve the

[4:54] consent agenda adding um the four

[4:57] handout packets um that are missing that

[5:00] uh we'll add later

[5:02] >> for for the budget planning meeting.

[5:03] >> For the budget planning meeting,

[5:04] perfect.

[5:05] >> I'll second it.

[5:06] >> Moved and seconded. Travis

[5:08] >> I Lynn

[5:09] >> I Jeff

[5:10] >> I

[5:10] >> Art I.

[5:11] >> Brian

[5:12] >> I motion passed. We can go on to public

[5:16] forum. And did anybody sign up?

[5:19] >> Yes.

[5:24] » I thought Stephanie signed up.

[5:27] Wait, what?

[5:28] >> Yes, I'm gonna say something.

[5:31] >> Usually I see those a little earlier.

[5:35] >> Gotcha.

[5:44] Okay,

[5:46] good. Uh, first part, however, uh, for

[5:50] the public forum, I've asked our new

[5:53] royalty to come tonight. I had a

[5:56] wonderful evening the other night and,

[5:59] uh, we didn't have time to get it on the

[6:01] agenda and so I asked you to come and be

[6:04] a part of our public forum. And so, um,

[6:08] what I would like you to do is stand up

[6:10] and introduce yourself, each of you, and

[6:12] you can all just walk up together. It's

[6:14] kind of a team thing you got going on.

[6:17] And then, um, that way we can kind of

[6:20] make sure the names are straight. And,

[6:24] uh, there may be some questions. You

[6:26] know, dogs, bag pipes, or opera, you

[6:29] know, could be the total of of where we

[6:32] go from here. But um I would I would

[6:36] like you to stand up just take a a

[6:38] minute or two each and and but come up

[6:41] together and then afterwards we want to

[6:44] picture with the whole council in front

[6:47] of here. So guys, you need to look

[6:52] better.

[6:52] >> Yeah, I have no hope.

[6:56] >> Step up to the microphone.

[6:57] >> Just got my hair done.

[7:05] So, so yeah, please introduce yourselves

[7:07] and make sure that everybody aware is

[7:09] aware.

[7:10] >> These are our new confused royalty.

[7:12] >> They're brand new. It's okay.

[7:14] >> From just last Saturday, right?

[7:16] >> Three days of experience with this. So,

[7:19] >> okay.

[7:20] >> My name is Jamie Suninger. I am your

[7:22] Miss Santa Quinn 2026 and I'm super

[7:24] excited to have this position. I've been

[7:26] wanting to be Miss Sanquinn for a total

[7:28] of three years. I do live in Ganola, but

[7:32] I still feel like part of Santa Quinn.

[7:34] I've probably spent I sleep in Janola. I

[7:37] say I live in Santa Quinn normally.

[7:41] >> Um

[7:41] >> same zip code.

[7:42] Same everything

[7:45] basically. So yes.

[7:47] >> Um my would you like to hear about my

[7:49] platform and my plans for that?

[7:52] >> Yes, please.

[7:53] >> My platform is bridging music, bridging

[7:55] generations of music. I'll cut all the

[7:58] fluffy stuff, but basically I am going

[8:01] to be create visiting seniors and

[8:03] especially longtime residents of Sanquin

[8:05] and veterans and making a living

[8:09] database that um our Sanquin residents

[8:13] can access to learn more about the

[8:14] history and the people of our town. And

[8:16] I will also be organizing music and

[8:19] dance events to be free for our citizens

[8:21] to come to.

[8:23] >> And what's your zip code? Uh 84655.

[8:27] Okay.

[8:29] >> We're good to go.

[8:30] >> Can we annex them in tonight? And

[8:34] >> I'm gonna let you talk to Mayor Brown

[8:35] about that.

[8:37] >> So, uh

[8:38] >> annexation

[8:39] >> first attendant. So, uh Jenna,

[8:44] » uh

[8:46] my name is Jenna Mlen. I am your first

[8:48] attendant for 2026.

[8:51] Um I am very excited to be here. I don't

[8:54] know like a whole ton. I've never been

[8:56] to a a city council meeting before, so

[8:58] this is really exciting and I'm super

[9:00] excited to meet all of you. Um,

[9:03] yeah, I I don't know what else to share

[9:06] about myself.

[9:06] >> Tell these guys what you did. Well, most

[9:08] of us were there, but tell them what you

[9:09] did for your talent because it was

[9:10] amazing.

[9:11] >> Oh, thank you. Thank you. I I sang

[9:13] opera. So, I sang um an Arya titled

[9:17] Quando Manvo from the opera Labo. It's

[9:20] in Italian. It was super fun and had a

[9:23] really good time. It

[9:24] >> was incredible.

[9:25] >> Thank you. You're so

[9:25] >> It was Okay. Thank you, Paisley.

[9:30] >> Hi guys. My name is Paisley Terry. I am

[9:32] this year's second attendant. Um I go to

[9:35] school at PAC High. I am a junior and I

[9:40] am the vice president of my FFA chapter.

[9:44] Um I did dog dancing for my talent. Love

[9:47] you a lot.

[9:48] >> Um what else would you like to know? So

[9:51] tell them a little bit more about the

[9:52] dog dancing. It wasn't just a dance. She

[9:54] has this dog trained.

[9:57] >> It was unreal. Just tell them a little

[9:58] bit more.

[9:59] >> What kind of dog is it? Gordon Setter.

[10:01] Oh no, that's mine.

[10:05] >> My dog is a mini golden doodle. They

[10:08] have the attention span attention span

[10:10] of like 30 seconds. So it was very hard

[10:12] to train her. But I've trained her for

[10:14] three years now. And so I really enjoyed

[10:17] it. But

[10:19] >> it was awesome.

[10:21] Oh yeah, her name's Jojo.

[10:24] >> Okay, any questions?

[10:27] >> What a what a great evening. again. Uh

[10:31] such a variety of talent but incredible

[10:36] talent and uh uh thank you for accepting

[10:40] this role that you've undertaken and we

[10:43] hope that we wear you out in the next

[10:45] year with new businesses and

[10:48] opportunities to serve and we look

[10:51] forward to that. So let's step up here.

[10:56] >> Thank you. Thank you so much.

[10:58] We want to

[11:00] >> probably stand behind you.

[11:12] » No, but I thought you were like,

[11:17] » we want you right in front of us because

[11:19] we don't want to be hiding.

[11:24] » Come on.

[11:35] not get the podium. There we go. All

[11:37] right. Ready? One, two, three.

[11:44] Thank you so much.

[11:47] >> Wait a minute.

[11:56] » December.

[12:05] » Oh yeah.

[12:08] » Kids event. Can you see that?

[12:16] » Okay.

[12:17] >> Training dogs is a lot harder than it

[12:19] looks.

[12:20] >> Training dogs is a lot.

[12:23] >> All right. So, I have a a handout for

[12:25] all of you actually. So, I'll just get

[12:28] out of here.

[12:31] >> I do want you to introduce yourself when

[12:33] you when you get going. Oh, you can hand

[12:46] » Thank you.

[13:02] » All right. So, uh, my name is Jackson

[13:05] Jensen. I am part of Scout Troop 101.

[13:09] Actually, also out of Ganola, but I live

[13:11] here in Sanquin.

[13:13] Upgrade.

[13:15] Whoa.

[13:18] Um, and

[13:22] uh,

[13:22] >> so much for kind.

[13:24] >> Let's see. Oh,

[13:27] >> all right. Um, I would like to propose,

[13:30] plan, and execute a free food pantry in

[13:33] Sanquuquin as my Eagle project. Um, I

[13:37] really like the idea of my project

[13:39] benefiting the community in such a

[13:41] simple yet profound way, helping with

[13:43] food insecurities. I've had family

[13:46] who've benefited from this in various

[13:48] times of our lives and in various

[13:50] communities. I feel like it's a worthy

[13:52] cause for my time. If you look in the

[13:54] back of the packet, we included um some

[13:58] pictures. Um PAC has actually done a

[14:01] very similar thing. Uh it we've talked

[14:05] to many of of the people in San Quinn of

[14:07] the ones who've set it up and and who

[14:10] use it and they say it's been very uh

[14:13] very popular and

[14:16] just works very well. Um, I've secured a

[14:20] donor from a a business in this in the

[14:23] San Quinn community who wishes to remain

[14:25] anonymous, but who understands the

[14:28] important of this project and has

[14:30] pledged to fund up up to the whole

[14:32] project.

[14:34] Um, uh, for the upkeep, the youth city

[14:38] council has stated that they will take

[14:40] it under their wing to check it

[14:41] regularly and make sure that it stays

[14:43] clean and nice. Um,

[14:46] and all all the hours will be volunteer

[14:49] from uh the scout troop and some of my

[14:52] friends and stuff like that who will be

[14:54] helping out. So, city won't have to pay

[14:57] anything or have to have anybody come.

[15:00] I'll take care of it all. What I I just

[15:02] need is permission uh to place it on

[15:05] city property and uh basically guidance on where you guys uh would

[15:12] think it would be best to go. Um, some

[15:14] locations I've thought of are the police

[15:16] station parking lot or in front of the

[15:18] library right over here by the community

[15:20] garden.

[15:22] >> Uh, these are open places that aren't,

[15:24] you know, right on Main Street where I

[15:27] everyone can see, but still good places

[15:29] that can be monitored but also a little

[15:32] private too. Uh, thank you for your time

[15:36] and I hope to bring this important

[15:37] project to Santa Quinn. I I like the

[15:40] idea of the library or the the UP cabin,

[15:44] you know, just some place in that

[15:45] general area over there.

[15:48] >> Wasn't Wasn't there a community garden

[15:50] over there, too?

[15:51] >> There is a community garden, huh?

[15:52] >> I think that'd be a great location.

[15:55] >> Any other questions, Jackson?

[15:57] >> I'll I'll make a comment. Jackson, this

[15:59] is awesome.

[16:00] >> I am really really impressed. Um, cool.

[16:03] It's really awesome. Thank you. So,

[16:06] Jackson, I this is such a fantastic

[16:09] idea. So, I worked for the police

[16:11] department in PAC and PAC had one of

[16:13] these little boxes and actually started

[16:15] out the sight of a birdhouse and it

[16:18] became so popular, it just wasn't big

[16:20] enough. And uh I all throughout the

[16:23] hours of the day and the night, you

[16:24] would see people putting things in it

[16:26] and people taking things out of it. It

[16:28] was never vandalized. It was well taken

[16:30] care of. It sat just outside the city

[16:32] building and it was just an asset to the

[16:34] community. And I think if we do it right

[16:36] and put it in the right location, I

[16:38] think it could be just the exact same

[16:40] thing. And I think

[16:41] >> Travis, what do you think about over by

[16:43] the library?

[16:44] >> I think when when uh Chelsea called me

[16:46] and talked to me about this, I I thought

[16:49] just kind of over by the library where

[16:51] the community garden was off to the

[16:52] side. I thought that was a great place

[16:54] because, you know, one of the things too

[16:55] is

[16:57] >> one of the things that I think people

[16:58] like about this is the the if I can say

[17:01] this word right, the anonymity

[17:03] >> of being able to go

[17:05] >> and take what they need without

[17:08] >> having to go and ask for it.

[17:10] >> Well, donors like to be anonymous, too.

[17:12] >> Yes, exactly. Like to be anonymous when

[17:14] they put things in it. And I have seen

[17:16] everything from food to diapers go into

[17:19] the one in PAC. So there's no limit of

[17:23] what can put be put into this and what

[17:24] can be taken out of it and it's just all

[17:27] limited by the imagination of the people

[17:28] who want to help and the people who

[17:30] need. So I think this could be a really

[17:33] good thing.

[17:34] I only have one question with it and

[17:37] that is uh will when you have the the

[17:40] youth council come and look at it, make

[17:43] sure things are okay, check for

[17:46] expiration dates or real hot

[17:49] temperatures that may affect canned

[17:51] foods or you know that kind of worries

[17:53] me a little bit. But

[17:55] >> let's get our youth here to help us out

[17:56] for the city council.

[17:58] >> No. So if I can is it okay if I just

[18:00] inter

[18:01] >> interject here?

[18:02] >> Uh no, please.

[18:03] >> Okay. Uh, I like to hear myself talk, so

[18:05] I'll just keep going. As you know, I'm

[18:07] Chelsea Rolley and I'm the youth city

[18:09] council mentor with Santa and I work

[18:11] with Travis. Um, in consideration of

[18:14] that, I asked PAC city council Ryan

[18:17] Rolley. I was like, "How how's the food?

[18:18] Are we worried about spoilage?" And he

[18:20] said, "No, it gets filled and emptied

[18:22] every single day." He's like, "We're not

[18:24] worried about expiration at all. It has

[18:26] become so needed and so popular that has not been a problem."

[18:30] >> Um, I prepared some facts for you. I

[18:33] don't know if this is a hard sale. Do

[18:34] you want to hear the Utah food

[18:36] insecurity facts? Sure, let's do it.

[18:41] So, I am here to support Jackson

[18:42] tonight. He approached me for ideas on

[18:44] how to implement his Eagle Scout project

[18:46] for a community pantry. And of course, I

[18:49] was like, "Yes, absolutely. We need to

[18:50] do this." Um, I've personally been

[18:52] floating that idea for many years. I

[18:54] just never really felt like I had the

[18:56] right um pieces in place to make it

[18:58] happen. Um, my philosophical farmer

[19:01] quote of the night is, uh, the best time

[19:03] to plant a tree was 20 years ago.

[19:06] >> The next best time is today. And that's

[19:08] how I feel about the community pantry.

[19:11] Um, I feel it's the right time. We have

[19:13] the right people. We have the right

[19:14] sponsors and resources. And we have the

[19:16] right need in our community to make this

[19:18] project a reality. The gap between what

[19:21] many Utah families need and what they

[19:23] can afford is rapidly widening.

[19:27] Utah Food Bank said nearly half of those

[19:29] experienced food insecurity don't

[19:31] qualify for federal assistance. Rising

[19:33] food prices, economic uncertainty, and

[19:36] unstable federal support and shutdowns

[19:38] are putting struggling families under

[19:39] immense strain. Even those who qualify

[19:42] are not always able to access the

[19:44] benefits they need. Today, KSL had an

[19:47] article that said at Utah State

[19:48] University, their food pantry averaged

[19:51] 5,000 students, but now it's serving

[19:54] 30,000 students. One in eight Utons are

[19:58] food insecure, which includes one in

[20:00] every five children with seniors having

[20:03] a similar demographic. Utah Food Bank

[20:05] has seen a 35% increase in those already

[20:09] in need just this year. So, this is the

[20:12] time to make this happen.

[20:14] My favorite thing about Santa Quinn is

[20:16] the people. We look out for each other.

[20:19] This is an additional way that we can

[20:20] ensure that we're taking care of one

[20:22] another. We are hoping the council will

[20:25] take this on as an initiative by

[20:27] approving a central location that can be

[20:28] easily accessed by the community. We

[20:31] hope you'll support this pantry with a

[20:32] resounding yes. Our residents should not

[20:35] go hungry. All of the community

[20:36] businesses and members I have reached

[20:39] out to said they are willing and ready

[20:40] to support this project with food

[20:42] donations. They are excited about the

[20:44] possibility to help in our own

[20:46] community. A food pantry will bless both

[20:49] those who give and those that receive.

[20:52] Uh, please feel free to reach out to me

[20:54] or Jackson with additional questions.

[20:56] Um, thank you guys so much for the

[20:58] services you provide to our community.

[21:00] Um, and we hope that we can make a

[21:02] prompt decision on this so that he can

[21:04] rock and roll with his Eagle Scout

[21:06] project.

[21:06] >> I I do want to ask one thing. How do we

[21:09] ensure it doesn't tip over in the wind?

[21:11] I've seen outouses go flying about this

[21:14] size.

[21:15] >> Okay,

[21:16] >> so if you look at uh those picture

[21:18] packets,

[21:19] >> I'm looking at them. the one of the

[21:21] bottom ones.

[21:22] >> I don't think it's in there.

[21:23] >> Oh, it's not in there.

[21:24] >> It's on this

[21:26] >> on on on this page on the bottom. They

[21:29] have uh come up and show each of you.

[21:32] >> So, what he's saying is there's a

[21:33] weathered wood on the bottom and it has

[21:36] like little

[21:37] >> spikes drilled into the ground.

[21:39] >> Kind of make sure it doesn't get blown

[21:40] or tipped over.

[21:42] >> So, it's an it's anchored into the

[21:44] >> Yeah, it's anchored down.

[21:46] >> Great. And we're totally willing to just

[21:48] like do this on a probationary,

[21:51] >> you know, give us six months, see how it

[21:53] goes. And if it's getting trash, if it's

[21:54] something that the community is not

[21:56] finding value in, we are happy to like

[21:58] take it and move it to a different

[21:59] location. But

[22:00] >> this is this is awesome. I know multiple

[22:01] people that have brought this up that

[22:03] have said, I wish there was something

[22:05] like this. I don't think that this is

[22:08] something that has to be probationary. I

[22:10] think that this is something that will

[22:11] get used if not what I'm thinking about

[22:14] is I'm like, is this big enough? that

[22:16] would

[22:16] >> because I'm thinking like if you put I

[22:18] think of getting diapers for my kids

[22:21] >> how many diaper boxes are going to fill

[22:22] there and I know we have such a young

[22:24] population here I think that's like the

[22:26] things that people would really benefit

[22:27] from so I'm just concerned like is this

[22:29] big enough this picture from PA I'm like

[22:31] I don't know if that's big enough but

[22:33] >> so and that was my concern too I'm like

[22:35] bigger is always better but it helps

[22:37] with it being regularly rotated because

[22:39] there's not enough room for something to

[22:40] sit for a long time they're going to

[22:42] come and grab it um we have several

[22:44] community, you know, social media pages

[22:46] where people will alert and say, "I've

[22:48] just dropped off size ones. Go grab

[22:50] them. I've just dropped off this. Go get

[22:52] it." That's how it works in PAC. They'll

[22:54] say, "I put all my garden produce in

[22:56] today. Please go grab it." And people

[22:58] are pretty responsive to go get that

[23:00] before anything's spoiled. So,

[23:02] >> it sure be nice to see some positive

[23:04] things on our community pages, too.

[23:06] >> Yeah.

[23:07] >> When What's your time frame?

[23:10] >> Go ahead.

[23:10] >> Um, as soon as possible. How how long

[23:13] will it take you?

[23:14] >> Um, it'll probably take us maybe a week

[23:17] or two just to assemble everything, like

[23:20] get all all of our parts and all this

[23:22] stuff that we need, but then it'll

[23:24] probably just take a day to build with

[23:26] the amount of people I'm planning on

[23:28] having help. Uh, but um I I also wanted

[23:31] to point out that we're going to design

[23:33] it in such a way like we're going to try

[23:35] and have it north facing and painted in light light colors and stuff like

[23:40] that so it also doesn't become a

[23:41] microwave.

[23:42] >> So much I want to point that out.

[23:47] >> Okay.

[23:48] >> I don't think anybody's opposed to this.

[23:51] Where do you want to put it?

[23:53] >> I like that where we started over here.

[23:55] I like the library.

[23:56] >> That's great.

[23:56] >> Agree. or right next to the community

[23:58] garden between that and the library. I

[24:00] think that'd be a really good spot.

[24:01] >> Maybe even behind the cabin so you get

[24:04] some extra sun shade,

[24:07] >> but it needs to be in the open where

[24:08] people will see it and find it.

[24:10] >> That's true.

[24:10] >> Or where it's accessible too, you know,

[24:12] in the winter so they don't have to walk

[24:14] through snow

[24:15] >> those gardens every day when they're

[24:16] growing them.

[24:16] >> So there there's quite a few aspects

[24:18] here that will involve public works just

[24:20] for coordination. If we're putting

[24:21] stakes in the ground, we don't want them

[24:23] to go through sprinkler lines. If we

[24:25] need to relocate a sprinkler head, we

[24:26] can certainly do that. Yeah.

[24:28] >> So, I think what would be best is maybe

[24:30] to get this young man involved with

[24:32] public works and just say, "Hey, let's meet on site."

[24:37] >> I I also think if they're going to put

[24:39] it on the side of a sidewalk or

[24:41] somewhere that's over there, they could

[24:43] do it that maybe we get some rotomill or

[24:46] something that would give a good base so

[24:49] that you could walk around it and not

[24:51] get muddy at sometime.

[24:52] >> Yeah. Again, I think the best thing to

[24:54] do is if that's the general location

[24:56] that you're talking about, then we just

[24:58] have them get with public works and take

[24:59] all these things into consideration

[25:01] because again, we don't want to

[25:02] >> if they have to mow there or if there's

[25:04] a sprinkler that's shooting into the

[25:05] bottom of the box and none of that's

[25:06] going to be good. We want to make sure

[25:08] that we just plan it properly and even

[25:09] if there's a even if there's a small

[25:12] concrete pad or something and it has to

[25:14] sit on or or a concrete pad like a

[25:16] sidewalk that has to come around the

[25:18] back,

[25:19] >> ADA is another thing that that we need

[25:21] to look at. So, I think it's good to

[25:23] just have all these things and then I'm happy to work or I'm sure John's

[25:27] happy to work with public works and and

[25:29] the Eagle Scout to to just say, "Hey,

[25:31] this is probably where it's going to be

[25:33] best." Keeping in mind all of the things

[25:35] that we've talked about, visibility,

[25:37] sun, shade, access, all those types of

[25:40] things.

[25:41] >> So, probably both uh John and and Jason,

[25:45] >> correct?

[25:46] >> Let's get it done.

[25:47] >> So, what Norm is saying is be flexible.

[25:50] >> Yeah. Okay. Ju just remember that some

[25:53] of the things that have been brought up

[25:54] are very important. Some of the things

[25:55] that you have, but does it need to be

[25:57] wheelchair accessible? Right. We have

[25:59] there's some areas over there that

[26:00] aren't wheelchair accessible. Totally.

[26:02] >> And that's what I mean by ADA. That's a

[26:04] federal law that if we're making stuff

[26:05] available on a public, then it has to

[26:07] meet ADA requirements. And so all of

[26:09] those things we can work on. It just is

[26:11] a matter of how, when, and where we can

[26:13] make that work. So, I would just have

[26:14] you coordinate with with our public

[26:16] works director, Jason Callaway, and you

[26:19] can get a hold of me directly and I can

[26:20] put you in touch with him and then we

[26:21] can go from there.

[26:22] >> Okay. Thank you. Um,

[26:24] >> during the cons during the construction,

[26:26] would there be merit to consider

[26:27] insulating it?

[26:29] >> Uh, yeah, sure.

[26:31] >> Just an idea.

[26:33] >> Um, and then one other thing, I also

[26:36] >> I have to get it passed by Scouting

[26:38] America first.

[26:39] >> Yes.

[26:40] >> And we're not sure how long that might

[26:41] take. So, You know, it's okay.

[26:44] >> It can be anywhere from two weeks to a

[26:46] month. Okay.

[26:47] >> There's something that works slower than

[26:48] government.

[26:50] >> Well, they're government adjacent. So,

[26:54] >> um just remind it be prepared.

[26:57] >> Gotcha. When you have

[27:00] >> good.

[27:01] >> Okay. So, next steps for us is just get

[27:04] approval and then

[27:05] >> come talk to you guys.

[27:06] >> So, I I think you already have approval.

[27:08] It's just the when, where, and how. I I

[27:10] don't know that there's any official

[27:12] action that needs to be

[27:12] >> I think it's a scouts help from them.

[27:15] Yes, correct.

[27:15] >> I mean, you could probably get it

[27:16] constructed and then

[27:18] >> in the meantime

[27:19] >> move it into place

[27:20] >> and then we can move it into place with

[27:22] Jason and John and figure out where it

[27:24] needs to go.

[27:25] >> Okay.

[27:25] >> I also want to say I've had a lot of

[27:27] people ask about this sort of thing and

[27:28] every time they do like, "Yeah, that's a

[27:30] great idea. We should have something

[27:31] like that like Jason does. Give me some

[27:33] ideas on how we can make it work." And

[27:35] then they never respond back. So I am

[27:38] I'm grateful that you actually took the

[27:40] initiative and and actually did it.

[27:42] >> This is awesome. This is everything that

[27:45] stand for. So

[27:46] >> absolutely.

[27:47] >> We need this.

[27:48] >> Yeah.

[27:48] >> Thank you for that proposal.

[27:49] >> Yes. Thank you so much.

[27:51] >> Okay.

[27:52] >> I I would just say

[27:54] don't bring it over and get ready to set

[27:55] it until we've worked with public works

[27:57] to make sure.

[27:58] >> Oh yes, of course.

[27:59] >> Show up with it. That might be a little

[28:00] more challenging than if we coordinate

[28:02] it in advance. Please

[28:04] >> just go just go put it up and ask

[28:06] >> to be prepared and have it done first.

[28:09] >> Okay. Well,

[28:11] >> thank you.

[28:12] >> Let's get her done.

[28:14] >> All right.

[28:15] >> I like it. All right. Um

[28:18] before we do the building permits and

[28:20] business licenses, let's uh go to items

[28:23] 12, 13, 14, and 15, which is our

[28:26] community development director uh

[28:29] resolution for that. uh the services

[28:32] director and the resolution for that. So

[28:35] we'll start with 12. Um do you want to

[28:38] go through that Jason? And

[28:42] >> yeah, so uh let's see. Last Thursday we did interviews for a new community

[28:48] development director. Uh we had council

[28:51] member Travis Ke uh and council member

[28:54] Lynn Mikum and Mayor Olsson that were a

[28:56] part of that and we appreciate their time with that. We had some really

[29:01] great candidates. Um, and ultimately we uh are really excited about the the

[29:07] candidate that we're going to bring

[29:08] before you tonight. He's here. Uh, his

[29:10] name is Morgan Brim. He's there um in

[29:13] his suit in the the back row there. Um,

[29:15] but yeah, we are really excited about

[29:17] Morgan. Uh, he was previously the

[29:19] community development director for

[29:20] Vineyard City. uh he was there for nine

[29:23] or 10 years and uh he's he's very

[29:26] qualified and you know I've had the

[29:28] opportunity to kind of coordinate and

[29:30] work with uh with with Morgan on kind of

[29:33] the next steps through this this uh

[29:35] interview process and uh the more I talk

[29:38] to him the more I'm excited about what

[29:40] he has to to offer and the experience

[29:42] and the understanding uh in in in the

[29:44] area of community development. Um so um

[29:48] I think we've we've been able to work

[29:50] through a lot of the things um and and

[29:53] per our policy the um the final

[29:55] selection is up to the city council.

[29:57] Obviously we had two councils and the

[29:59] mayor two council members and the mayor

[30:01] in the in the interview process. So uh I

[30:04] guess with that said we have the the

[30:07] proposed uh employment contract

[30:09] attached. Uh I know in the packet it was generic. it didn't have specific

[30:13] names because we were still uh

[30:15] coordinating and working on on the

[30:17] specifics of of who we wanted to offer

[30:18] this to. So, uh that was provided. We

[30:21] we've we've provided that that

[30:23] information and we have it uh ready uh

[30:26] here tonight. But we wanted to bring

[30:28] Morgan uh to you tonight. If you have

[30:30] any questions for him, we we would uh

[30:33] I'm sure he'd be happy to answer any

[30:34] questions. But we present to you Morgan

[30:36] Brim uh for the community development

[30:38] director position.

[30:41] Hi, it's great to be here.

[30:43] >> Great to have you here.

[30:44] >> Introduce yourself a little bit. We

[30:46] don't want you to be too windy, but uh there may be a question or two. I

[30:53] just want to tell you right up front, I

[30:54] was very impressed with you and grateful

[30:57] that you took the time to

[30:59] uh look at being a part of us and your

[31:04] preparation was exceptional. Thank you.

[31:08] >> Thank you very much, Mayor. And it's

[31:09] great to see you, Councilman. Um, Mikum

[31:12] and Keel. Again, I I found your your

[31:14] team um your executive leadership team

[31:16] just to be um really wonderful. I could

[31:19] tell a lot of time consideration was put

[31:21] in place as you guys have hired staff

[31:23] and talking with staff too. I love to

[31:25] see longevity and that's really

[31:26] important for for a new hire. You want

[31:28] to you know you're going into a place

[31:30] that that has some stability. That's really important. Um so I I love

[31:36] building communities. It's something

[31:38] that I'm really passionate about. Even

[31:40] as a little kid, Sim City was my jam.

[31:42] Um, Vineyard City was a bit bit like uh

[31:46] Sim City in real life. And I know Santa

[31:48] Quinn is not Vineyard City, so I'm not I'm not proposing that, but I

[31:53] absolutely love building teams. I love

[31:55] collaborating, working with with staff,

[31:58] working with the mayor and and city

[32:00] council members. And so I'm uh, you

[32:02] know, just just really passionate about

[32:04] working with the public, too. I think

[32:06] that's so important. They're the

[32:07] lifeblood of your community and that is

[32:10] where um and and how our planning should be informed and how we move

[32:14] forward with economic development as

[32:15] well. I come from I have four sons um

[32:18] and so when I when I uh work in city

[32:21] planning, it's really important that it be a city that I that that's

[32:25] going to be able to accommodate a family

[32:26] like mine. I also have nine sisters, so

[32:28] I have a a big family. So when I when I

[32:31] look at cities and planning and economic

[32:33] development, keeping that as kind of

[32:35] your central focus, Santa C is a great

[32:37] family oriented community and I think

[32:39] everything we should be doing should elevate that purpose. So any

[32:43] questions for me?

[32:46] >> Nine sisters. I have so many questions.

[32:51] >> We don't have time.

[32:55] So not too many but I

[32:56] >> there there was one comment you made

[32:58] about uh economic development and uh I I

[33:03] felt your understanding of what was

[33:05] important to really help with you know

[33:08] we see so much growth in a city but that

[33:12] economic development provides a uh

[33:15] backbone to help with programs of every

[33:19] size. And I I felt like you

[33:22] brought that up and talked about it and

[33:24] understand that principle.

[33:26] >> Thank you. And I I just see such a

[33:28] tremendous opportunity with with

[33:29] Sanquin. And I think economic

[33:30] development is right sizing it and and

[33:32] really being strategic in how you u

[33:35] bring in economic development. And I I

[33:39] what I love is home occupations. I'm I'm

[33:41] big on that. Just your your your local

[33:43] people that are already doing businesses

[33:45] from their their houses. I found that

[33:47] throughout my 18 years of of planning

[33:49] and economic development, the more you

[33:51] work and you're in touch with with your

[33:53] uh your home occupations and just your

[33:54] local businesses here, the the the

[33:57] better it's going to be. And that really

[33:58] sets the stage for if you bring in a a

[34:00] big company, if you have the

[34:01] infrastructure and things that are

[34:02] supportive of your local businesses,

[34:04] those are the same elements. It's all

[34:06] matter of scale, but those are the same

[34:07] elements that are going to be supportive

[34:08] of of larger companies.

[34:11] >> That's awesome. Okay, any questions for

[34:13] Morgan?

[34:15] Okay. Any questions on the uh agreement

[34:18] to uh the contract to approve for his

[34:22] employment agreement?

[34:24] >> Mayor, we'd ask you to do those in two

[34:25] separate motions. So, one for the final

[34:28] selection and then also one for the

[34:29] approval of the of the employment

[34:31] agreement, please.

[34:32] >> Okay. Let's go to item 12 that says the

[34:36] community development director uh final

[34:39] selection. I would ask for a motion.

[34:43] >> Mr. May I'll make a motion that we adopt

[34:46] resolution 12. Uh, community development

[34:48] director Morgan Brin. Right.

[34:51] >> Yeah.

[34:52] >> I'll second that motion.

[34:53] >> Moved and seconded. Travis

[34:55] >> I.

[34:56] >> Lynn.

[34:56] >> I.

[34:57] >> Jeff.

[34:58] >> I.

[34:58] >> Art.

[34:59] >> I.

[34:59] >> Ryan.

[35:00] >> I.

[35:03] » Now the agreement.

[35:04] >> Okay.

[35:06] >> Had a chance to review that agreement.

[35:08] >> So Lynn made a motion to approve the

[35:11] resolution. I think uh what we need is a

[35:14] motion to select Morgan Brim for the

[35:17] position and then a separate motion to

[35:19] approve resolution 02 0302.

[35:22] >> I'll make you kind of got that.

[35:24] >> I'll amend I'll amend my um motion to

[35:26] match what Jason just said.

[35:28] >> I'll second that amendment.

[35:30] >> Okay. Travis

[35:32] >> still I Lyn

[35:33] >> still I.

[35:35] >> Jeff

[35:36] >> I. Art

[35:37] >> I.

[35:37] >> Brian

[35:38] >> I. Okay. So, the cart got before the

[35:42] horse. So, uh then let's have a motion

[35:46] on a resolution uh 0302, the approval of

[35:49] the community development director

[35:52] employment agreement.

[35:53] >> Mayor, I'll make a motion to approve

[35:55] resolution 0302206,

[35:58] approval of community development

[36:00] director employment agreement.

[36:02] >> Is there a second?

[36:03] >> I'll second.

[36:04] >> Moved and seconded. Brian,

[36:06] >> I

[36:06] >> Art.

[36:07] >> Hi,

[36:07] >> Jeff.

[36:08] >> Hi,

[36:08] >> Lynn. Hi,

[36:09] >> Travis. I

[36:11] >> motion passed.

[36:13] >> Now you have to go to work.

[36:14] >> Yes.

[36:15] >> When when is your first day of work

[36:17] going to be?

[36:19] >> I believe it's the 31st.

[36:21] >> So it's two weeks.

[36:22] >> Two weeks.

[36:23] >> Awesome.

[36:24] >> Sound good.

[36:24] >> Excited to get going. Thank you.

[36:26] >> Okay,

[36:28] we got all that set. We appreciate it.

[36:31] We look forward to working with you,

[36:32] sir.

[36:33] >> I appreciate you guys. Thank you so

[36:34] much.

[36:34] >> Yeah. Thank you.

[36:36] >> Okay. Uh the community services director

[36:40] final selection.

[36:41] >> Yeah, mayor and council.

[36:43] >> That's going to go on.

[36:44] >> I I'll take care of this one. It's been

[36:45] a long time since we've hired two

[36:48] directors in one meeting. That's kind of

[36:50] interesting. We've had some longevity.

[36:51] In fact, my almost four years in this

[36:53] position. This is the this is the uh

[36:56] first time that we've hired a director.

[36:58] We've re reinstated contracts before,

[37:00] but this is the first time that we've

[37:02] hired a director and now it's too. So,

[37:04] um, as Jason indicated, we've we had

[37:07] interviews just yesterday with nine very

[37:10] highly qualified candidates and, uh, I

[37:13] I'll present the the the the one that we

[37:16] the individual that we have for you here

[37:17] in a minute, but I want to tell you a

[37:18] little bit about kind of the process

[37:20] that we went through. We we spent 5

[37:22] hours yesterday between all of the

[37:24] interviews, half hour, half hour, half

[37:26] hour, and then another half hour plus at

[37:28] the end. We appreciate council member

[37:31] Mikum and council member Sitaway and the

[37:33] mayor Jason and I and our and our

[37:35] library director Jennifer Wagner helped

[37:38] us with that. Um had a great divergence

[37:40] of thought, had really good discussion,

[37:42] had uh just some really good interviews

[37:45] and came out of that nine with three

[37:48] that rose to the top. So, as as directed

[37:52] by the mayor and the two council members

[37:54] that were there, we then had second

[37:56] discussions with three those three top

[37:58] individuals last night until about 8:00.

[38:01] And uh just again, the the talent has

[38:04] just been incredible. I my 12 years

[38:07] working for the city, I've not seen a

[38:09] talent pool for contracts like for

[38:11] positions like this in that 12 years.

[38:13] So, it's been really good. Um, from that

[38:16] we had some more discussion and and uh

[38:19] some heartto-he hearts with the top

[38:20] three and and selected one and that one

[38:23] that I would like to to present to you

[38:24] now. I'll put this up on the screen.

[38:26] This is a Zoom meeting. We have Cammy

[38:28] Ellsworth who is with us. Um, Cammy, I'm

[38:31] going to introduce you a little bit and

[38:32] kind of give a little bit of your

[38:33] background. You're on mute, so when you

[38:35] want to talk, you'll have to take that

[38:36] off.

[38:37] >> Uh, Cammy comes to us from multiple

[38:40] different jobs. She spent 12 years in

[38:41] St. George. And I I'm going to kind of

[38:44] interject a little bit here. Uh in our

[38:46] references, we had five references for

[38:48] her. And one of the comments in that

[38:49] reference was that Cammy took the St.

[38:51] George Marathon to a whole other level

[38:54] times 10.

[38:56] So if that gives you an idea that the I personally have run the St. George

[39:01] Marathon four times. I know it doesn't

[39:02] look like it now. It's been more than a

[39:06] decade ago, but I've run that four

[39:08] times. And there at that time there were

[39:10] 10,000 individuals that would sign up

[39:12] for that race. And now I think it's

[39:13] probably closer to 12 or 13 or 14,000

[39:16] people.

[39:17] >> If you can imagine that many people and

[39:19] all their support and all their family

[39:20] and all of the logistics that it takes.

[39:23] Cammy did that for 12 years as well as

[39:25] other programs that she was over there

[39:27] in St. George. And so that's that's one

[39:29] aspect of it. She then moved to another

[39:31] town that's called Baghdad, Arizona.

[39:35] >> It's a mining town that is

[39:38] uh about a sixth the size that we are

[39:41] today with a budget three times of what

[39:43] we are today.

[39:44] >> Oh wow.

[39:44] >> So she actually went there and and built

[39:47] the entire program. They they hired her

[39:49] and basically took all their they

[39:52] weren't very organized and and didn't

[39:54] have leagues and and and fields being

[39:57] taken care of and all that kind of

[39:58] stuff. They put her to work and in

[40:00] several years she was able to turn that

[40:02] around and had a very successful uh uh

[40:04] program when she left there. She then

[40:06] went to Yuma, Arizona for a couple years

[40:09] and has recently been working in in

[40:10] another uh complex in Texas and that's

[40:14] where she is currently stationed. So

[40:16] we're te stealing her away from Texas.

[40:19] So all in all, Cammy, I think you're

[40:20] about 18 years worth of of experience.

[40:23] Am I thinking about that right?

[40:24] >> Yes. Yeah. Coming up on 20 about 19 20.

[40:28] Yeah.

[40:28] >> I I know she doesn't look old enough to

[40:30] have 20 years of experience, but there

[40:31] you go. Um, I'm going to back away now a

[40:34] little bit and and have maybe Cammy have

[40:36] you introduce yourself that I haven't

[40:38] already done and and let's have them ask

[40:41] any questions you might have.

[40:43] >> First of all, we need to know, do you

[40:45] have nine sisters?

[40:47] >> No.

[40:48] I can't imagine. I only had two and

[40:51] that was pretty rough.

[40:54] >> I am the youngest of of three girls

[40:57] though and so I became the boy of the

[40:59] family. So I I grew up playing every

[41:02] sport known to man. And I was my dad's

[41:05] sidekick from the time I was about three

[41:06] years old, which is probably why I ended

[41:09] up in parks and recreation.

[41:11] Um, he he needed a son and and here I

[41:14] am.

[41:18] » Um, like Norm was saying, I've kind of

[41:21] been traveling around a little bit. We

[41:23] are empty nesters now. Our children left

[41:25] us and um, we kind of went on a little

[41:27] adventure. My husband is from grew up in

[41:30] Mesa. That's what took us to Arizona.

[41:33] And we wanted to be a little closer to

[41:34] his family for a while. And um and then

[41:37] the company that I worked for in Baghdad

[41:39] actually is the company that I worked

[41:41] for here in Texas. They're headquartered

[41:42] in Texas. And so um they they reached

[41:45] out to me asking if I'd be willing to

[41:47] move to Texas and work for them again.

[41:49] So um they are a wonderful company. Um I

[41:53] value them uh uh greatly. So, I was more

[41:56] than willing to to move us again and and

[41:59] come out here to help um kind of patch

[42:02] up some some holes that were happening

[42:04] here in their recreation areas. So,

[42:07] that's what brought us to Texas. But, I

[42:09] am so honored to be here tonight um and

[42:11] spend some time with with you at your

[42:13] council meeting. Um I love parks and

[42:16] recreation. I love anything that brings

[42:20] family together. um to play and enjoy

[42:24] each other um and to build family bonds

[42:26] as well as community bonds. So um I have

[42:29] a huge passion for everything parks and

[42:31] recreation. So any questions for me? I'm

[42:34] happy to answer.

[42:39] » So if I may, I'm going to interject here

[42:41] a little bit. Some of the other

[42:42] references that were made to to Cammy in

[42:45] the in the uh references that we

[42:47] contacted were

[42:49] honest, high integrity.

[42:52] When she goes in, she goes all in. And I

[42:54] have seen that over the last 48 hours

[42:56] when she goes all in. In fact, one of

[42:58] the things that we've talked about is

[43:00] bringing her out here in the next week

[43:02] or so so that she can be on site and

[43:03] look at the facilities and get to know

[43:05] the people and that kind of thing. And

[43:07] so as we look at this tonight, I would I

[43:09] would request that you make as we make a

[43:11] motion that we do that conditional upon

[43:14] a site visit and continuing to work with

[43:16] her. We we do have a an agreement before

[43:18] you that we've presented and come to

[43:21] terms on, but there's still some things

[43:23] to work out. Also pending is the is the

[43:26] background check. So that would be what

[43:28] I would request of you tonight. But just

[43:30] we again, we are super impressed with what we've seen. And I think the

[43:34] council members that were there and the

[43:36] mayor just, you know, again, the talent

[43:38] pool and that we had and then Cammy just

[43:41] rose to the top on that was just really

[43:43] fantastic

[43:46] » with those conditions. Then we don't

[43:48] have a prospective start date yet.

[43:50] >> We we do that's one of the conditions

[43:52] and that would be probably about 30 days

[43:54] out. We we've asked her to in in concert

[43:57] with the the mayor and the council,

[43:58] we've asked her to to plan on being here

[44:00] 30 days from now.

[44:01] >> Okay.

[44:02] >> Thank you for that. That's good

[44:03] clarification.

[44:05] >> I I guess I just love to hear I I think

[44:07] Cammy, you've been in a small town in

[44:10] Arizona, right? That was what was said.

[44:13] Well, uh I mean, we're not necessarily a

[44:15] small town anymore, but we're smaller.

[44:18] Um I just love to hear your perspective

[44:20] on like community services, parks and

[44:23] wreck in a small town, like how you've

[44:25] seen that.

[44:28] >> Um that's a great question. So Baghdad

[44:31] only has about 3,000 people. So it is a

[44:34] very small town. Um

[44:37] it is what brings people to to that

[44:41] town. So Baghdad is unique. It's a

[44:43] mining town and if you don't work for

[44:44] the mine, you you can't live there. So

[44:46] it's a town site. Um and so they're

[44:49] constantly trying to encourage people to

[44:51] stay because you have to drive 60 miles

[44:54] to a Taco Bell. You have to drive 60

[44:56] miles to shop at a real store. Um, and

[44:59] so they're always trying to entice

[45:00] people to stay in this tiny little town.

[45:03] Um, and recreation really brought this

[45:05] community together. Um, we started doing

[45:10] soccer camps and basketball leagues and

[45:12] art classes for their children. Um,

[45:15] having multiple multiple community

[45:17] events throughout the year and the

[45:19] entire town would come to each event.

[45:22] Um, they look forward to recreation.

[45:24] They want to recreate whenever possible.

[45:27] Um, it really did bring such a a value

[45:31] to that small community. Um, and now

[45:33] people do. They want to live there. They

[45:35] love what that little town, as ugly as

[45:39] it is, if you've ever Google it.

[45:43] Not a pretty town, but people do want to

[45:46] live there and stay there. Um, because

[45:48] all that it affords to their family

[45:50] there. Now,

[45:51] >> that's awesome. I I would like you to

[45:55] have you comment a little bit on uh

[45:58] maybe the outlook or your thoughts on

[46:03] dealing with a library, a museum, um

[46:07] senior citizens,

[46:09] um items like that as well as uh parks

[46:14] and wreck.

[46:19] » Norm, will you repeat that to me? I

[46:21] couldn't hear. Yeah, he's asking about

[46:22] your perspective on library museum uh

[46:25] seniors and and your perspective on

[46:27] that.

[46:29] >> Yes. Um I've actually never worked

[46:32] directly with a library. Um we had a

[46:34] library on our community campus. Um but

[46:37] it was run by the county. So that this

[46:39] will be new to me. Um, however, I've

[46:42] worked with several different museums

[46:44] and, um, and I think that the history

[46:48] that's that's, you know, taught and and

[46:53] valued also is something that that

[46:56] brings so much value to your community.

[46:59] If you can share what has happened in

[47:00] the past and where you've gotten to

[47:02] where you are now, um, and tell that

[47:05] story, that that really does, um, bring

[47:09] such value to your community. Um,

[47:13] seniors, I worked a lot with seniors in my job in Yuma. We had a senior

[47:17] center um, there and we had lots of

[47:21] wonderful classes, um, woodworking and

[47:23] arts and crafts. We had a many senior

[47:26] games there where we would hold pickle

[47:28] ball tournaments and um billiards

[47:30] tournaments and um different things for

[47:33] about a two-eek period for for our

[47:35] seniors and we would see them come out

[47:37] in droves. So in Yuma this the town

[47:40] doubles in size in the summer. So all of

[47:42] the winter visitors come and they are

[47:45] all um in the senior population. So Yuma

[47:48] becomes a a senior

[47:52] community um for about six months out of

[47:54] the year. Um and so we spend a lot of

[47:57] time catering to our to our senior

[48:00] population. Um and they also I mean they

[48:04] have such wonderful stories to tell. You

[48:06] can learn so much from our senior

[48:09] population. Um, I know that the time

[48:12] that I have spent, um, has, you know,

[48:14] has bettered my life for sure.

[48:17] >> So, one of the things I'm going to break

[48:19] in here just a little bit, Cammy. One of

[48:20] the things that we looked at with all of

[48:22] the applicants was the breadth. You can

[48:24] tell that Cammy has a lot of breadth in

[48:26] different things from seniors to museum

[48:28] to parks and wreck to sports to other

[48:31] than library. She has the the the widest

[48:33] breadth of of experience, which is why

[48:36] one one of the reasons why she rose to

[48:38] the top is because that's the way that

[48:40] we operate around here, right? She we

[48:42] talked about it today with her on the

[48:43] phone. There's 12 things underneath her

[48:45] from royalty to the the museum to the

[48:50] community garden to the library to

[48:53] Anyway, that was one of the things that really helped distinguish her from

[48:56] some of the other candidates.

[48:57] >> We just added one called food pantry to

[48:59] >> Yeah, there we go. I've been talking to

[49:01] her on that in text. She's like, "Wait a

[49:02] minute. No, I'm just kidding.

[49:05] >> New work."

[49:07] >> Yeah. Job security.

[49:09] >> Just uh

[49:10] >> Yes.

[49:11] >> Just so we can move along. Are there any

[49:13] other questions that you guys would like

[49:15] to ask?

[49:19] Seeing none, then I would entertain a

[49:22] motion on the uh community service director final

[49:28] selection that was suggested through the

[49:31] uh interviewing committee for Cammy

[49:33] Ellsworth. So moved. Is there a second?

[49:37] >> I'll second that.

[49:39] >> Moved and seconded. Travis,

[49:41] >> hi

[49:42] >> Lynn.

[49:42] >> Hi

[49:43] >> Jeff.

[49:44] >> Hi

[49:44] >> Art.

[49:47] >> I But I have a question. Is this

[49:49] conditional at all?

[49:51] >> Yeah, that'll be the next item.

[49:52] >> Okay.

[49:53] >> Yeah.

[49:55] >> I

[49:56] >> Brian

[49:56] >> I.

[49:58] >> Okay. Motion passed. The selection takes

[50:01] us to the conditional motion uh for

[50:05] those items that were stated by Norman.

[50:08] don't want to forget them, but there are

[50:10] tests, drug tests, and

[50:12] >> yeah, start date 30 days, just a site

[50:14] visit is due and also just contingent

[50:16] upon passing the background check are

[50:18] the three things that I would recommend

[50:20] this motion be contingent upon.

[50:22] >> I'll I'll make a motion to approve

[50:23] resolution 0303 2026 with those

[50:26] conditions.

[50:27] >> You want to repeat them, please?

[50:29] >> Uh we repeat the conditions 30 days.

[50:32] >> Start in 30 days. still the background

[50:35] check and then also the the she's going

[50:37] to make a site visit here sometime

[50:39] between that to to

[50:40] >> to come and just kind of feel things out

[50:42] and just get to know the staff and all

[50:44] that kind of stuff.

[50:46] >> Okay,

[50:47] >> I'll second that motion.

[50:49] >> Moved and seconded. Travis

[50:51] >> I

[50:51] >> Lynn

[50:52] >> I

[50:52] >> Jeff

[50:53] >> I

[50:53] >> Art I

[50:55] >> Ryan

[50:55] >> I

[50:56] >> motion passed. Congratulations Cammy,

[51:00] >> you have work to do.

[51:02] >> Yeah, she has work to do.

[51:04] Okay.

[51:05] >> Thanks, Jimmy.

[51:06] >> Uh, would you let us know when you're

[51:08] coming so we have a chance? I'd want to

[51:10] make sure I have a chance to meet you.

[51:12] >> Yes. I actually will be there on Monday.

[51:15] >> Next Monday.

[51:16] >> Yeah. A week from the week from

[51:17] yesterday.

[51:18] >> Okay.

[51:18] >> We've actually been coordinating that

[51:20] when they, like I said, when she said

[51:21] all in, she's all in. Here we go.

[51:24] >> Okay. Good luck with the cheer cup.

[51:25] >> And I and I will be there the entire

[51:26] weekend, but I will be on site Monday.

[51:28] >> Yes.

[51:29] >> All right.

[51:30] >> Great. Thanks, Tammy. you can go ahead

[51:32] and jump off or you can hang out if you

[51:33] want to and

[51:34] >> and spend the rest of

[51:36] >> online so I can see everyone.

[51:38] >> Okay. Thank you.

[51:40] >> Thank you.

[51:40] >> Big crowd.

[51:41] >> Okay. Uh I'd like to get a

[51:44] >> Can I jump in a report on the building

[51:46] permit and business license?

[51:48] >> Could you let me know her schedule? I'd

[51:50] love to just chat given that there's so

[51:52] many things that we've just talked about

[51:54] recently. Yep.

[51:55] >> In the department. So

[51:59] » Okay. You ready, Mayor?

[52:00] >> Yeah. Mayor and Council, Norm's going to

[52:02] pull it up. Uh the building permit

[52:04] report tonight right now sitting um

[52:07] where we are in the calendar year. We're

[52:09] up to 100 new residential uh dwelling

[52:12] units. That's made up of 36 single

[52:14] family and 64 multif family. Uh you can

[52:17] see this time last year we were to 75.

[52:19] So a little ahead of pace. Uh fiscal

[52:23] year we're up to 172. uh this time last

[52:26] fiscal year which which we're getting

[52:28] towards the end we were at 195 and as

[52:32] always you can see the previous years to

[52:33] compare where where things are at

[52:36] >> and then for tonight there's no new

[52:37] business licenses to report.

[52:39] >> Wow.

[52:41] >> Okay. Thank you. Any questions?

[52:45] >> Hearing none. Let's move on to ordinance

[52:47] uh 0301 uh the Southerntherland

[52:50] annexation.

[52:54] I'm working on. Sorry,

[53:00] » boy. I am just about a thousand.

[53:07] » You want me to pull up the map?

[53:09] >> Yeah, Jason.

[53:11] >> Oh, I'm going to do that. That's right.

[53:12] Sorry. I'm gonna I'm gonna take this

[53:14] one. Sorry.

[53:17] Um, so we talked about this a little bit

[53:19] in the work session. And I'm going to

[53:20] blow up this map here and see if I can

[53:22] get it to

[53:24] uh show kind of real time where we're

[53:26] at. Yep, there we go. So now the map is

[53:29] facing up as north. The the 10 acres

[53:31] that is currently being proposed as the

[53:33] sunation is this yellow square right

[53:36] here. That would be 10 acres. Right now

[53:38] it's surrounded on three sides with with

[53:41] the county. Well, it's still in the

[53:42] county. And what they're proposing is

[53:44] they're proposing this to go to an R10,

[53:46] which is conti consistent with the areas

[53:49] around it. The PF zone, the blue one

[53:51] that's here, is the school district

[53:54] property and our rodeo grounds. Our

[53:56] rodeo grounds are here. And then this is

[53:58] the this is the field to the west of the

[54:01] rodeo grounds. That is the school

[54:02] district property. Um, it's being

[54:04] proposed that that 10 acres be brought

[54:06] into the city, annexed. We've been

[54:09] through all of the noticing and all of

[54:10] the requirements that required by the

[54:12] state and the county and so now it's

[54:14] here for your consideration. I will just

[54:16] mention that two other items have been

[54:18] done on this. We had we accepted the

[54:20] petition which doesn't get any approval

[54:22] some months ago and then last council

[54:24] meeting we also had the public hearing

[54:26] where the public had an opportunity to

[54:28] ask questions and and voice concerns

[54:30] that they had. So, I'm happy to answer

[54:32] any questions and I believe we have an

[54:34] the applicant or one of the applicants

[54:36] relatives here that can help us with

[54:38] that.

[54:40] >> Any issues with infrastructure?

[54:42] >> So, as we talked about before, the

[54:44] answer is yes. There there's there's

[54:47] always struggles with infrastructure

[54:49] because all the easy stuff's gone. So,

[54:52] um in this one, they're going to have to

[54:54] deal with water. They're going to have

[54:55] to deal with roads. They're going to

[54:56] have to deal with with sewer. and and

[54:58] all of that is done at the development

[55:01] stage, not at the annexation. But yes,

[55:03] there are challenges, I guess, is the

[55:05] best way to put it. Anything can be

[55:07] sewarded or anything. It's just a matter

[55:09] of where they can go with it, how they

[55:11] can get it there, what kind of access,

[55:13] that type of thing. So, yes,

[55:14] >> but the but the U petitioners are aware

[55:17] of those situations.

[55:18] >> I I believe that they are well aware of

[55:20] those situations. Yes, we've had we've

[55:23] had discussions with them as well as

[55:25] potential purchasers for this property

[55:27] that have come to the city to do their

[55:29] due diligence.

[55:30] >> Thank you.

[55:31] >> Yes. Thank you.

[55:32] >> Will you will you uh pull up the the

[55:35] exact lot?

[55:36] >> You want me to show it on the parallel

[55:37] map?

[55:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[55:38] >> Uhhuh. Sure.

[55:41] >> Sorry. I'll get that over there and get

[55:43] it coming up. Thank you.

[55:54] So this is

[55:57] the the 10 acres is a part of this 61

[56:00] that's right here if I remember

[56:02] correctly. Is that

[56:02] >> No, no, it's down further south.

[56:05] >> Oh, I'm sorry. That's correct. That's

[56:07] correct. It's a part of this one. My

[56:08] bad. The Yeah, that would have been bad.

[56:13] >> Um, so 10 acres right here in this

[56:15] location. Is it the band?

[56:17] >> Yeah, we would have had a problem with

[56:19] that.

[56:22] » So, that is their that is their current

[56:24] look at that. Um, again, the the blue

[56:27] area that is in the map, and I'll pull

[56:29] that up really quick again. The I'm

[56:31] sorry, the yellow area that's next to it

[56:32] is R10. And I'll pull that back up and

[56:35] have to answer any questions that you

[56:36] have about that. You want me to turn the

[56:38] aerial on? Would that help or not help?

[56:40] >> So, is it is it that that one right next

[56:44] to the bed and breakfast? Yeah, just

[56:47] north of a certain amount. That is just

[56:49] north of that. That's correct. The bed

[56:51] and breakfast, I think, that you're

[56:52] referring to is right here.

[56:53] >> Yeah.

[56:54] >> Yep. Um the the pink line here

[56:57] represents the current city boundary and

[57:00] then if this annexation goes through and

[57:02] the lieutenant governor approves it, you

[57:04] guys approve it and the lieutenant

[57:05] governor approves it, that would change

[57:06] the boundary in this area to have that

[57:08] box out right there.

[57:12] We had a public hearing on this. We've

[57:16] had comments given to us even at the

[57:20] public hearing. Are there any questions

[57:23] or anything that uh you would like to

[57:25] ask? I think uh Glade probably

[57:27] represents the rest of the family

[57:29] tonight.

[57:31] I' I'd love to have you come up and just

[57:34] kind of usually I I was commenting in

[57:36] the work session where I was like I

[57:37] don't really know what the intentions

[57:39] are with this annexation and in most

[57:41] other situations obviously other

[57:43] annexations can be a lot bigger or

[57:45] smaller. I just felt like I have no idea

[57:47] what what the plan is or or like

[57:50] different intentions and so I'd love to

[57:52] hear like what's the current intention,

[57:54] what's in the works, what you know just

[57:56] to hear from your perspective. I know

[57:58] during the public hearing there were

[58:00] some concerns about what type of housing

[58:01] a different thing, but I think R10 only

[58:03] allows for single family,

[58:05] >> so I don't think that's really a

[58:06] concern, but I just love to hear.

[58:08] >> Okay, first off, I'm a little bit

[58:11] disappointed that you moved the

[58:12] directors ahead of me and have to make

[58:15] me wait, but I'll excuse you, mayor, on

[58:17] that.

[58:18] >> You know, I I was thinking that we would

[58:21] put you ahead of the queens, but you

[58:23] didn't stand a chance. No, I'd never I'd

[58:26] never compete with the queen. No

[58:28] question there.

[58:29] >> Are you questioning my looks? Is that

[58:31] it?

[58:34] >> The plan is to we we plan to Well, we

[58:37] have already offered it to sell for sale

[58:40] and send it to several developers and

[58:43] other people who may have interest in

[58:45] it. Uh we we do have some issues with

[58:50] utilities as Norm has explained. Uh most

[58:53] difficult one is the sewer access and

[58:56] we're still working on that. We have not

[58:58] got that resolved at this point. But as

[59:00] far as the family, we're looking at uh

[59:02] single family homes. The R110 zoning

[59:07] is what what we anticipate. And some of

[59:11] the proposed buyers have wanted to to

[59:14] downsize it to the R8,000 square foot

[59:17] lots and we told them no, we want the

[59:19] bigger lots. Uh, four of our siblings

[59:24] live there and those lots just to the

[59:26] south. So,

[59:28] they want a good neighborhood as well.

[59:31] So, yeah, this property has been in the

[59:34] family for 70 years. My father and

[59:37] mother purchased it in 1956,

[59:41] and we've hung on to it this long. They

[59:44] they've both been gone over 20 years,

[59:46] but we're all getting older and it's

[59:49] time to move forward and so that's why

[59:52] we've offered it for sale.

[59:54] >> Is it I'm assuming it's in conjunction

[59:57] with the other land that's already

[59:59] >> Yes.

[59:59] >> just east of it, right? Is that that's

[1:00:01] the plan?

[1:00:02] >> Yeah,

[1:00:02] >> because I'm like 10 acres is not enough

[1:00:04] to do really anything with.

[1:00:06] >> Yeah, there's there's an additional

[1:00:08] approximately 18 acres. So altogether

[1:00:10] it's about 28 acres.

[1:00:13] Okay.

[1:00:14] >> The the part that's already in the city

[1:00:17] could could be seoured if we went

[1:00:20] through the school district property,

[1:00:22] but most of the developers want to want

[1:00:26] a bigger piece to to make it more

[1:00:28] affordable for them.

[1:00:30] >> Yeah. So, on the infrastructure side of

[1:00:32] things, the the city's existing sewer

[1:00:34] line, it runs right along this brought

[1:00:36] property line right here, north and

[1:00:38] south. And so, that would be what would

[1:00:40] be hooked into. But the problem with it

[1:00:41] is it's all downhill from there. So

[1:00:45] sewer doesn't run uphill.

[1:00:47] >> Yeah.

[1:00:47] >> So that's one of the challenges again

[1:00:49] that I've identified and I believe that

[1:00:51] the family's aware of.

[1:00:52] >> Right.

[1:00:53] >> There is there is approximately 2 acres

[1:00:55] on the east side of that sewer line. But

[1:00:59] that's all that could be sewered as with

[1:01:01] the existing utilities that are in there

[1:01:03] now. and and and h how do how do you go

[1:01:07] about you know fixing those or solving

[1:01:10] those challenges?

[1:01:12] >> Well, you you find another way for the

[1:01:15] sewer to sewer out like he's talking

[1:01:16] about. One of the things that he's just

[1:01:18] mentioned is this property is owned by

[1:01:20] the the school district.

[1:01:22] >> The the gentleman that was here last

[1:01:24] meeting that was concerned about

[1:01:25] somebody had approached him that their

[1:01:28] family owns and controls this piece, but

[1:01:30] some of it could be sewarded out of here

[1:01:31] through the through the school district.

[1:01:33] I'm going to pan this up and then our

[1:01:35] sewer comes up like this and goes out

[1:01:36] over here.

[1:01:38] >> Okay. Okay. I I assume that's what you

[1:01:41] were referring to, right? You were

[1:01:42] talking about potentially. But but even

[1:01:44] some of that 10 acres that I'm showing

[1:01:45] here in that box

[1:01:47] >> likely wouldn't sue her with that.

[1:01:48] >> That's correct. Okay.

[1:01:50] >> Yeah. We need a different location for

[1:01:51] that piece. This 10 acres belongs to two

[1:01:55] of my sisters, but they want to sell it.

[1:02:02] Any

[1:02:05] other questions for Glade?

[1:02:08] >> Okay. Um, any other questions on this

[1:02:13] annexation? We've now had the families

[1:02:15] here and and the public uh hearing.

[1:02:21] Um, I would entertain a motion to uh

[1:02:25] on on ordinance 0301, the

[1:02:28] Southerntherland annexation. I'll make a

[1:02:31] motion to approve ordinance number

[1:02:32] 03012026.

[1:02:34] >> Motion's been made. Is there a second?

[1:02:37] >> I'll second. Moved and seconded. Travis

[1:02:39] >> I.

[1:02:40] >> Lynn

[1:02:40] >> I.

[1:02:41] >> Jeff

[1:02:41] >> I.

[1:02:42] >> Art.

[1:02:43] >> Hi.

[1:02:43] >> Brian

[1:02:44] >> I.

[1:02:45] >> Motion passed.

[1:02:47] >> So if I may just for procedural from

[1:02:49] here we send it to I don't John. Do we

[1:02:52] send it to the county first or do we now

[1:02:54] go to the lieutenant governor's office?

[1:02:56] >> So I believe it goes to the county

[1:02:58] first. their final review and then once

[1:03:00] that's all done.

[1:03:01] >> Okay.

[1:03:02] >> So, there's still a couple of steps

[1:03:03] you've done. We've done here the land

[1:03:05] use side of things. Again, we've had

[1:03:07] public hearings and went to the planning

[1:03:09] commission, all that kind of stuff. It

[1:03:10] now will be in somebody else's hands to

[1:03:12] kind of take the football to the to the

[1:03:14] goal line. But, thank you.

[1:03:17] >> Okay. I'd like to uh move to item number

[1:03:21] seven which is a formal public hearing

[1:03:24] on uh adopting updated drinking water

[1:03:28] pressurized irrigation system sanitary

[1:03:31] sewer impact fee uh enacted ordinances.

[1:03:35] Um so we need to move to a public

[1:03:38] hearing.

[1:03:40] Is there a motion?

[1:03:41] >> So moved.

[1:03:42] >> Seconded.

[1:03:43] Moved and seconded. Travis.

[1:03:46] >> Hi,

[1:03:47] >> Lynn.

[1:03:47] >> Hi,

[1:03:48] >> Jeff.

[1:03:48] >> Hi,

[1:03:49] >> Art.

[1:03:49] >> Hi,

[1:03:50] >> Brian.

[1:03:50] >> Hi.

[1:03:51] >> So, we're in a public hearing for the

[1:03:54] adopting of the updated drinking water

[1:03:57] pressurized irrigation sanitary sewer

[1:03:59] impact fee enactment ordinance. And

[1:04:03] there's a lot of work that's been put

[1:04:04] into this. And uh nobody signed up to

[1:04:10] speak.

[1:04:12] So

[1:04:12] >> do you want to ask if there's anybody in

[1:04:14] the audience that wants to speak and

[1:04:15] then we can have either either before or

[1:04:18] after that we can have Chris Thompson

[1:04:20] who is with Hansen and loose that's put

[1:04:22] this together for us to kind of go

[1:04:23] through an explanation.

[1:04:24] >> I was hoping that Chris would get a

[1:04:26] chance but uh right up first we'll ask

[1:04:29] if anybody wants to speak.

[1:04:39] Hello. Hi. Um,

[1:04:41] >> if you please state your name.

[1:04:42] >> Oh, Cara Ganoway.

[1:04:44] >> Thank you.

[1:04:44] >> Um, I'm here on behalf of just people of

[1:04:47] the city. We don't understand what any

[1:04:49] of these public hearings all consist of.

[1:04:52] We just hear an impact fee. We hear a

[1:04:54] fee. We don't know what that means. So,

[1:04:57] we're just wondering, is this impact fee

[1:04:59] specifically only for new builds coming

[1:05:02] in? It's not going to be impact any

[1:05:05] other citizens that are already here.

[1:05:06] >> No, that's correct.

[1:05:08] >> Okay. We just wanted like good

[1:05:09] clarification on that.

[1:05:11] >> It's to offset the impact of the

[1:05:13] building, new buildings and the future

[1:05:16] in our infrastructure. So, it helps it

[1:05:19] helps create the infrastructure going

[1:05:21] forward.

[1:05:21] >> The new people moving in will pay for

[1:05:24] the improvements that are needed to

[1:05:25] accommodate them.

[1:05:26] >> You you already paid yours when you

[1:05:28] built your house or whoever built it

[1:05:29] originally.

[1:05:30] >> Okay. We just want a clarification on

[1:05:32] that. So, I appreciate it.

[1:05:33] >> Good question. Well, and and that's why

[1:05:35] we go through these things right now

[1:05:37] because we've gone through an

[1:05:39] engineering study to prove as to whether

[1:05:43] we they need to be increased or they

[1:05:46] even need to be reduced and so that we

[1:05:49] are fairly treating everyone and falling

[1:05:54] within the guidelines of Utah state law

[1:05:57] in order to even do a

[1:06:00] any kind of fee like this. So, we are

[1:06:04] covering all the bases to make sure even

[1:06:07] this public hearing to make sure that

[1:06:09] we're covering everything and we

[1:06:11] appreciate your comments.

[1:06:13] >> Yeah. Well, I appreciate your time.

[1:06:14] Thank you.

[1:06:14] >> Okay. Thank you for coming.

[1:06:16] >> Hey, mayor. And if I may, I think

[1:06:18] something that can help too with the

[1:06:19] public information, uh, generally we

[1:06:22] update our impact fees every five years.

[1:06:26] >> So, hold on, Jason.

[1:06:27] >> John's explaining it better. Hold. I

[1:06:30] want to make sure that this person hears

[1:06:31] that that so that they're they're here

[1:06:33] for that. So

[1:06:34] >> John,

[1:06:34] >> hey John, can we break in?

[1:06:36] >> Can we break in so that she can hear

[1:06:37] this?

[1:06:38] >> Explain something further for you to

[1:06:39] understand. So impact fees usually we we

[1:06:42] update every 5 years with a master plan

[1:06:44] update. This is kind of an innovative

[1:06:46] way of looking at our our impact fees on

[1:06:49] more of an annual basis which will

[1:06:50] actually make things a lot more

[1:06:51] efficient and more accurate for the

[1:06:53] impact that new growth uh has on our

[1:06:56] community. So uh that's partly the

[1:06:58] purpose for this. It's it's a little bit

[1:07:00] new, a little bit different. Uh like I

[1:07:02] say, you'll usually see these impact

[1:07:04] fees happen on on more of, you know,

[1:07:06] transportation or parks, recreation,

[1:07:08] trails, and open space or sewer or

[1:07:10] water. The reason why these three are

[1:07:12] here is Hansen Allen Loose has gone

[1:07:14] through a process of looking at making

[1:07:16] this more efficient so that our impact

[1:07:18] fees are accurate. Uh this is helpful

[1:07:20] for developers because they know what to

[1:07:22] expect when they do an impact fee and rather than than them uh you know

[1:07:27] one day coming and and looking at a

[1:07:28] development and the impact fee is this

[1:07:30] and we go through an impact fee analysis

[1:07:32] and update it and it goes up

[1:07:34] exponentially. This will make it so it's

[1:07:36] more done on an annual basis and it

[1:07:38] makes it more accurate for them. So, the

[1:07:39] development community actually loves

[1:07:41] this as well, but it also makes it more

[1:07:43] accurate for the city. So, those impact

[1:07:45] fees are accurate and we're we're

[1:07:46] getting the the appropriate

[1:07:48] revenue from those impact fees that that

[1:07:51] match the impact that we're

[1:07:52] experiencing. So, hopefully that helps a

[1:07:54] little bit with with that explanation.

[1:07:55] >> Yeah, we did hear public hearing and

[1:07:57] we're like, oh, was it going to affect

[1:07:58] the public? Right. So, we just wanted we

[1:08:01] were all concerned if it was affecting

[1:08:03] the public or only new bills coming in

[1:08:06] and that's what we were. So, so if I

[1:08:08] may, the state especially on impact fees

[1:08:11] themselves are very stringent on what we

[1:08:14] have to do. A public hearing is one of

[1:08:17] the things that we have to do. Six or

[1:08:19] eight months ago, we sent out a public

[1:08:21] notice that said we intend to look at

[1:08:24] these things. That's part of the code

[1:08:26] that the state code, especially with

[1:08:28] impact fees and public meetings, are

[1:08:31] very stringent on the things that we

[1:08:32] have to do and that's why we do them.

[1:08:34] That's why they're formatted the way

[1:08:36] that they are. We don't we don't add

[1:08:39] narratives to it even though it might be

[1:08:41] helpful for a lay person to have a long

[1:08:44] narrative. That's why we have the public

[1:08:45] hearings so that people can come and

[1:08:47] learn about those things and understand

[1:08:49] them from the the the the engineering

[1:08:52] folks and the folks that help us put

[1:08:54] these together. These are these are

[1:08:56] things that we have to do legally with

[1:08:59] 10 days notice on something, 7 days

[1:09:01] notice, 24 hours notice. All of these

[1:09:03] things are state requirements that we

[1:09:05] have to do. And while it may look like

[1:09:07] that, it's not as convenient for the

[1:09:09] public to have all of the information up

[1:09:12] front, we're doing exactly what the

[1:09:14] state code requires of us. And that's

[1:09:16] why we have these public hearings. Like

[1:09:18] the mayor saying, we're doing this

[1:09:19] because we want you to be here. We want

[1:09:21] you to be involved and understand and

[1:09:24] this is the way that we go about it. I

[1:09:26] often said say to people, this right

[1:09:29] here is the public square and the

[1:09:31] public's business takes place in the

[1:09:33] public square. And that's why we do what

[1:09:35] we do because the state has mandated how

[1:09:37] we have to do that.

[1:09:39] >> It doesn't take place on Facebook. It

[1:09:41] doesn't take place in neighborhood

[1:09:42] conversations. There's lots that we can

[1:09:44] do out there, but the public's business

[1:09:46] happens right here. So kudos to you for

[1:09:49] staying involved and understanding or

[1:09:51] not understanding and coming and ask the

[1:09:53] questions, watch the agendas, watch the

[1:09:55] public notices. There's purposes and

[1:09:57] reasons for that and we do that because

[1:09:59] of state code. Well, there's there's one

[1:10:02] other thing and we've probably hit on a

[1:10:05] little bit, but uh sometimes these

[1:10:08] things aren't changed for every five

[1:10:10] years. Well, if you roll back in time

[1:10:13] and you look at what building costs were

[1:10:16] five years ago and those kind of impact

[1:10:19] fees were associated with that and we're

[1:10:22] not doing updates to take a look at it,

[1:10:25] you're so far behind by the time you do

[1:10:28] an update 5 years later that the

[1:10:31] inaccuracy of the impact fee for the

[1:10:34] whole builders actually is a penalty to

[1:10:38] the people that live in the city and

[1:10:39] have paid for the system to get to where

[1:10:42] it is. What we're trying to do is make

[1:10:44] sure that upgrades uh that are affected

[1:10:48] by new growth that comes in are actually

[1:10:52] helping pave the way without the

[1:10:53] citizens that are here having to shell

[1:10:56] out even more.

[1:10:57] >> Can c can I add something? I I I think I

[1:11:00] just want to make sure that if anyone's

[1:11:02] listening when we say new growth, it

[1:11:05] could be that you live in Santa Quinn,

[1:11:07] but you own a lot in Santa Quinn and

[1:11:08] you're going to go build your dream

[1:11:09] home. These impact fees will affect you

[1:11:12] if you decide to build. So, so I've

[1:11:15] talked to multiple residents that have

[1:11:17] said, "Hey, I'd love to build an ADU,

[1:11:19] like a little cassita or mother-in-law

[1:11:21] apartment in the back of their

[1:11:22] property." And they said, "These impact

[1:11:24] fees are so high. I can't build that."

[1:11:27] So, you live here and you might think,

[1:11:30] "Oh, well, maybe this specifically you

[1:11:32] think this doesn't affect you. It can

[1:11:34] still affect you." and that if you have

[1:11:37] new construction, whether you live here

[1:11:38] or not, this does affect you. And I do

[1:11:41] think that it is important for residents

[1:11:42] if they are thinking about, hey, in the

[1:11:44] future, I want to build in San Quinn and

[1:11:46] I want to make sure that these fees are

[1:11:49] appropriate for the costs like these

[1:11:51] fees should only be to cover the cost

[1:11:54] for infrastructure. It shouldn't be

[1:11:56] excessive or the city giving a handout

[1:11:59] to developers either, right? And that's

[1:12:01] why, you know, I I I think that the city

[1:12:04] does a good job to make sure that these

[1:12:06] are priced right, but I don't want

[1:12:09] anyone to be under the impression that

[1:12:11] these fees don't affect them because

[1:12:13] they already live here. Because I've

[1:12:15] talked to many residents that say, "Hey,

[1:12:17] I live here and now I can't build this

[1:12:19] house on this property because I can't

[1:12:21] afford it." And I mean, we don't say,

[1:12:23] "Oh, because you can't afford it, we're

[1:12:25] going to charge you less." It should be

[1:12:27] priced appropriately. the cost to the

[1:12:29] city should be the cost to the

[1:12:30] developer, right? For to in simple

[1:12:33] terms. So I when someone says new

[1:12:36] growth, that doesn't mean just new

[1:12:37] people moving to Santa Quinn. It means

[1:12:40] new development in San Quinn, whether

[1:12:42] they live here or not.

[1:12:43] >> Brian, if I may, it's new impact, right?

[1:12:45] That's why we call it an impact fee is

[1:12:47] because if somebody builds a cassita,

[1:12:49] which we have in some of our zones,

[1:12:50] which is great. None of them have ever

[1:12:52] been built. But when when there is a new

[1:12:55] impact to the system, that impact fee is

[1:12:58] charged. And I will also note that all

[1:13:00] three of our master plan or our IFPs and

[1:13:02] IFAS in here have a deduction for ADUs.

[1:13:05] Detached ADUs are actually have a

[1:13:08] reduced cost,

[1:13:09] >> which we're trying to do. That's one of

[1:13:11] our strategies for our moderate income

[1:13:13] housing to help try and make housing

[1:13:15] more affordable. Again, even with that,

[1:13:17] they're they're expensive. There's no

[1:13:18] question. And one of the things that I mentioned in the work session is

[1:13:22] that Some of our fees have been really

[1:13:24] low. Well, they're buying into capacity

[1:13:26] on infrastructure that's 40 years old.

[1:13:29] Infrastructure that we have to build

[1:13:30] tomorrow is far more expensive than

[1:13:32] something that we have that's existing

[1:13:34] that they can buy into as far as tanks

[1:13:36] and water lines and booster pumps and

[1:13:38] all the infrastructure that we have to

[1:13:40] do. So, that's that I I appreciate you

[1:13:42] bringing that up, Ryan, and I appreciate

[1:13:43] that that the city through their

[1:13:45] strategies have have said the city

[1:13:47] council have said, "Yeah, we're going to

[1:13:48] lower these by 10% because we want to

[1:13:50] help with some of these costs." Now,

[1:13:52] maybe 10% isn't the right number. Maybe

[1:13:54] it is. But at least we're trying to do

[1:13:56] something to help with with more

[1:13:58] affordable housing.

[1:14:01] >> Okay, we good.

[1:14:04] >> Thank you.

[1:14:04] >> Okay, one other thing. Uh Chris, I think

[1:14:07] I'd like to expand this public hearing,

[1:14:10] especially because we're going to talk

[1:14:12] about each of these ordinances we go

[1:14:14] forward.

[1:14:15] >> So, mayor, if I would

[1:14:16] >> before we close,

[1:14:17] >> maybe we close the public hearing now

[1:14:19] that there's no more public hear. we can

[1:14:20] go ahead and close that and then and

[1:14:21] then Chris can come in or however you

[1:14:23] want to do it.

[1:14:24] >> Is there anybody online?

[1:14:26] >> Um if there are they they can't ask

[1:14:29] questions. It's not interactive.

[1:14:31] >> Okay. Then I would entertain a motion to

[1:14:34] close the public.

[1:14:35] >> So moved.

[1:14:35] >> Seconded.

[1:14:37] >> Moved and seconded. Travis

[1:14:39] >> I.

[1:14:39] >> Lynn I.

[1:14:40] >> Jeff

[1:14:41] >> I.

[1:14:41] >> Art.

[1:14:42] >> Hi.

[1:14:42] >> Ryan.

[1:14:43] >> Hi.

[1:14:44] >> Okay. Chris, could we ask you to come

[1:14:46] up?

[1:14:47] I know you guys have put a lot of work

[1:14:49] into this and and in our meetings we've

[1:14:51] discussed this off and on for some time

[1:14:54] as it's developed.

[1:14:56] >> So, uh

[1:14:58] >> why don't we just move into it if you

[1:15:00] would like to hit on each of these, the

[1:15:03] drinking water, the pressurized

[1:15:04] irrigation, and the sewer and give a

[1:15:07] high high shot at what we need to look

[1:15:10] at right now.

[1:15:11] >> Okay, great. Uh I had a number of things

[1:15:13] I was going to talk about, but uh it's

[1:15:16] it was really incredible that the

[1:15:18] elected officials and and staff just

[1:15:20] covered every single one of them very

[1:15:22] well. So

[1:15:23] >> I think we beat that sound understanding

[1:15:25] of impact fees here, which is fantastic,

[1:15:28] how they protect the existing residents

[1:15:30] from having to pay for the for the

[1:15:32] development that's coming in. So it's

[1:15:34] great. Uh just kind of an overview of

[1:15:39] the impact fee studies that that we did

[1:15:41] for Santa Quinn. Uh first of all uh one

[1:15:45] of one of the challenges of consulting

[1:15:49] is uh having your engineers uh get the

[1:15:53] information from from the cities quick

[1:15:56] enough to keep them busy. But that is

[1:15:59] not a challenge in in Santa Quinn. your staff is incredibly

[1:16:04] uh responsive to requests for

[1:16:06] information and uh what an incredible

[1:16:10] great experience we had working with

[1:16:12] them.

[1:16:13] I I think one of your staff uh took two

[1:16:18] days to get some information to us and apologize that it took so long. I

[1:16:23] was like, man, if I can get some within

[1:16:26] two weeks, I'm really excited for some

[1:16:28] clients. So, uh, what a what a great city to to work with, um, on on

[1:16:34] this. And, uh, we are we are quite proud

[1:16:36] of this impact fee these these impact

[1:16:38] fee studies. Uh, we feel like they check

[1:16:41] every box of the ordinance and and

[1:16:43] they're fair, very fair and defensible

[1:16:45] and

[1:16:47] uh and and they will ensure that the

[1:16:50] city collects the right amount. Um uh

[1:16:53] and and and

[1:16:55] uh one of the deliverables that you get

[1:16:57] which you don't normally get with

[1:16:58] engineering studies is the actual study

[1:17:01] data and uh that was a lot of work

[1:17:04] making it so that's presentable and

[1:17:06] understandable. Uh but because you will

[1:17:09] receive that study data um and it's

[1:17:12] organized the way that it's organized is

[1:17:14] next year for for a very low cost,

[1:17:17] you'll be able to update it every single

[1:17:19] year and and uh have uh it it's it's

[1:17:23] uncommon that the lower co the higher co

[1:17:27] the lower cost item gives you a better

[1:17:30] product, but I believe that this does

[1:17:32] that. the lower cost actually gives you

[1:17:35] very current up-to-date annual impact

[1:17:37] fees um and versus waiting and and and

[1:17:41] doing after a prolonged period. And so

[1:17:44] uh very excited about uh this in San

[1:17:47] Quint. And now I'd like to just kind of

[1:17:49] give you an overview of where the impact

[1:17:51] fees took you. Um but um John asked me

[1:17:55] to to talk a little bit about um some of

[1:17:59] the level of service uh tables that

[1:18:02] you'll see in the impact feed. Uh one thing that's important is that if

[1:18:07] you're providing your residents this

[1:18:09] level of service, uh it's important that

[1:18:11] the new development doesn't erode that

[1:18:14] level of service and and and and

[1:18:16] basically make it so that you provide

[1:18:18] less level of service u for the

[1:18:21] residents. Uh so let's say for a tank,

[1:18:25] if you're building a big tank, um and

[1:18:28] there was 300 gallons of that tank for

[1:18:31] every resident in the community, um

[1:18:35] if if a whole bunch of more residents

[1:18:38] came in and you didn't build any more

[1:18:40] tank, that could go down to only 200

[1:18:42] gallons of tank. And so there would be

[1:18:44] less supply or less uh uh redundancy in

[1:18:47] your system for those residents. Now, uh

[1:18:50] once you get to a level that you're

[1:18:52] like, well, uh that's not an acceptable

[1:18:56] level of service, then you build another

[1:18:57] tank. But you don't build that tank so

[1:19:00] that it just barely gives the level of

[1:19:04] service you need for the residents in

[1:19:06] the city. Now, you say, well, looking

[1:19:08] into the future, we think we're going to

[1:19:09] grow a bit. And so, uh this tank we're

[1:19:12] going to build for the next 10, 15

[1:19:14] years, so we don't have to build a tank

[1:19:16] every It's a lot of work to build a

[1:19:18] tank. and John would wear out if you had

[1:19:20] to build the tank every year. So, uh you

[1:19:22] say, "Well, let's, you know, spread them

[1:19:24] out 15 years or so." And so, you build

[1:19:26] the tank quite a bit bigger. Well, now

[1:19:29] your level of service will go way up.

[1:19:32] And so, a lot of times in these studies,

[1:19:34] you'll see something that says existing

[1:19:35] level of service.

[1:19:36] >> So, Chris, I have this up on the table

[1:19:38] and this was or on the the

[1:19:40] >> Okay, great. This is this was actually a

[1:19:41] question from one of our council

[1:19:43] members. And if I may, I'm going to

[1:19:44] break in a little bit. But the way that

[1:19:45] I understand this for for storage, for

[1:19:47] instance, the difference between this

[1:19:49] 2350 and the 1817 is essentially the buy

[1:19:53] in, right? It's the the 18 is the

[1:19:55] minimum that we need to to be able to

[1:19:58] service homes, but we have 23. So in

[1:20:02] essence, the difference between these

[1:20:04] two or these two or these two is really

[1:20:06] our excess capacity. Am I understanding

[1:20:08] that correct?

[1:20:08] >> That's exactly right. Okay, perfect.

[1:20:11] >> Yeah.

[1:20:11] >> So, any any further questions on that or

[1:20:14] >> does does that make sense? Does that

[1:20:16] help you understand?

[1:20:16] >> I I mean I was I was asking about like

[1:20:19] the source how it went from 2.31 gallons

[1:20:21] per minute to 0.97 gallons per minute is

[1:20:24] and and from what I was reading it was

[1:20:27] similar to we realized hey this is

[1:20:30] actually the level of service based off

[1:20:32] the data that we should be providing.

[1:20:34] >> That's correct. So if we can go to that.

[1:20:36] So, um it's the same thing with a a a

[1:20:40] source. So, if you drill a well or you

[1:20:43] develop a spring, uh you're not going to

[1:20:47] develop a spring for just what you have

[1:20:49] now. You're going to look 10 15 years

[1:20:50] into the future. And so, uh because

[1:20:53] you've developed those sources uh to the

[1:20:56] point that uh you have 2.1 2.31 gallons

[1:21:01] per minute now available. the studies

[1:21:05] and and and this is where that data that

[1:21:07] I was talking to you about, the studies

[1:21:09] show that based on the historical usage

[1:21:12] in your city, um you only need 97

[1:21:17] gallons per minute per per uh ERC per

[1:21:21] home. And so, uh

[1:21:25] this was true four years ago when you

[1:21:27] last did a study. And so um uh it held

[1:21:32] that number was was pretty accurate. And so uh holding to that you now have

[1:21:39] as Norm explained you have extra you

[1:21:43] have extra uh source and basically

[1:21:46] you're selling that source to these new

[1:21:49] residents. Now as soon as a bunch come

[1:21:51] in and you hit that 0.97 threshold then

[1:21:55] you'll need to develop another. So, so

[1:21:56] what I was understanding is like why was

[1:21:59] it 2.31 to now 0.97? Is that because we

[1:22:02] have smaller houses maybe less

[1:22:05] requirement like why why did we ever

[1:22:07] have 2.31? So when you when you built

[1:22:10] this the source that gave you 2.31 it

[1:22:13] was probably 4.0

[1:22:16] like it was probably a lot higher back

[1:22:17] when you developed that spring or or

[1:22:20] that well. Okay. Um, but you only needed

[1:22:24] 0.97 then as well. You just you

[1:22:27] developed it. So you built another

[1:22:29] spring and it provides you much more

[1:22:32] source than you needed. So that as

[1:22:34] growth came in they would erode that and

[1:22:35] it basically when you when you drill a

[1:22:38] new well your your level of service your

[1:22:40] existing level of service the the amount

[1:22:42] of spring per person will go way up

[1:22:45] >> and then it'll gradually go back down to

[1:22:47] what is required and then you'll build

[1:22:49] another one and then then it goes up and

[1:22:51] it goes back down. So

[1:22:52] >> I think for for me personally the word

[1:22:55] proposed is confusing. I think there's a

[1:22:58] might be a better word there like

[1:23:00] required or something.

[1:23:02] >> Yeah. Uh and and and

[1:23:04] we like to use that but the law the law

[1:23:07] is very clear

[1:23:10] >> indicates something in the future to me.

[1:23:12] >> Yeah. Yeah. So this is this is how the

[1:23:14] law reads though. Only only you as a

[1:23:17] legislative body can establish it uh

[1:23:21] that level of service. And so, uh, we're

[1:23:24] pretty careful in our reports to not

[1:23:27] write established level service when

[1:23:29] it's not established, um, until you pass

[1:23:32] the ordinance. And so, uh, we could

[1:23:36] actually change this, but this is

[1:23:39] >> once passed, you could then as part of a

[1:23:42] motion, you could say instead of this

[1:23:43] now being proposed, it could be the

[1:23:45] accepted or the adopted level of service

[1:23:48] at your direction in a final document.

[1:23:50] What what I'll also do is go up here and

[1:23:52] remember that each one of these pages

[1:23:55] that's not showing on that one are our

[1:23:56] draft.

[1:23:57] >> It just helps with that explanation to

[1:23:59] understand what that word proposed

[1:24:01] really means.

[1:24:03] >> If if I may, Chris talked about when

[1:24:05] we're when this 10 years from now, 5

[1:24:07] years from now, whatever it is, when

[1:24:08] this 2.31 gets down to 0.97 is when we

[1:24:12] build another source. We do it before

[1:24:14] that.

[1:24:14] >> Yeah. Because when we're at 0.97 and we

[1:24:17] have 0.97 and that's the requirement, we

[1:24:19] can't add any more homes,

[1:24:20] >> right?

[1:24:21] >> So, just like with the tank, the the the

[1:24:24] next one, the middle line right now, we

[1:24:26] have the the top quarter as it were of

[1:24:28] the tank is available for us to buy

[1:24:30] into, but we want to build and need to

[1:24:33] build a new tank before we use up all of

[1:24:35] that capacity and we have no room for

[1:24:38] error.

[1:24:38] >> Right. But then so the the the proposed

[1:24:42] impact fee for pressurized irrigation is

[1:24:45] going down. um where like I'm just

[1:24:48] trying to understand like where in this

[1:24:50] analysis is this saying hey this is the

[1:24:54] required level of service per ERC that

[1:24:58] we need as a city that we should be

[1:25:00] aiming at because when I see 0.97 it

[1:25:04] seems like this is more just like this

[1:25:05] is what's happening not like where are

[1:25:08] we getting so it's almost like hey now

[1:25:11] we have a red reduction level of service

[1:25:13] and now we're reducing our fees when

[1:25:15] shouldn't that be higher if if we want

[1:25:18] if if that's meaning now we're at the

[1:25:20] base and now we have to go back up I'm

[1:25:22] just trying to understand so the

[1:25:23] proposed level of service is always what

[1:25:25] is required so when we do these studies

[1:25:28] we always propose what is needed uh

[1:25:31] according to the use in your city so

[1:25:33] proposed is required you could you could

[1:25:36] make those synonymous we only propose

[1:25:38] what you actually need your existing

[1:25:40] level of service is just saying well we

[1:25:43] have this much extra capacity so we have

[1:25:45] this much per resident, but as new

[1:25:47] residents come in, that will erode. As

[1:25:50] soon as it gets to the proposed or the

[1:25:52] required, that's when you'll want to do

[1:25:54] as Norm says and build more.

[1:25:57] >> Okay. So, that's that that's what I'm

[1:25:58] saying is is the proposed level of

[1:26:00] service went down because we realized

[1:26:03] >> No, it it it would for the last four

[1:26:05] years, every year is been 0.97. It's

[1:26:08] always been 0.97.

[1:26:09] >> Okay.

[1:26:09] >> The required. So, think about that as

[1:26:11] required.

[1:26:12] >> Okay. So, so again this 2.31 and the

[1:26:14] 0.97 is the difference in between what

[1:26:17] we can pump what we have the capacity to

[1:26:19] provide and 0.97 is what each home

[1:26:22] requires. That's how come we can

[1:26:24] continue to build more homes. If we were

[1:26:26] at 97 across on all three of these, we

[1:26:28] wouldn't allow any more homes.

[1:26:29] >> So where's the where's the data that's

[1:26:32] that that's saying why we're changing

[1:26:35] the fee then?

[1:26:37] >> It's always been the same proposed.

[1:26:38] >> The fee did change slightly. Um, and it was uh more of kind of a correction

[1:26:46] uh uh in the fee. This this is a little

[1:26:50] bit of a a a newer way to do one

[1:26:54] element. You have five elements of your drinking water and your

[1:26:58] pressurized irrigation uh impact fees.

[1:27:01] Um four of them were all level of

[1:27:04] service before. Uh the fifth one which

[1:27:07] is called distribution

[1:27:09] uh it historically was done in a

[1:27:11] different way. They they they model it

[1:27:13] out. It's it's it's very complex and and

[1:27:18] um they try to isolate each pipeline and and try to decide how much capacity

[1:27:25] is in there, how much will be used in

[1:27:26] the next 10 years. and and uh uh it it's very difficult on a a city um that

[1:27:36] model um because quite often you don't

[1:27:40] collect all of the the money for for new

[1:27:43] regional projects that you would need to

[1:27:45] because um a pipeline comes in certain

[1:27:49] increments of size and and quite often a new regional pipeline will service uh

[1:27:56] new residents coming beyond on 10 years.

[1:27:59] So what what this study has done is it's

[1:28:02] taken that one element, okay, of your

[1:28:06] level of service and it has changed it

[1:28:09] to um be just like tanks and and and and

[1:28:13] wells and and and has made it so that

[1:28:18] you take all of the new pipelines that

[1:28:20] need to be built in the city and you

[1:28:21] divide it by all the new residents that

[1:28:23] are coming and you incrementally just

[1:28:25] have each one pay for their fair share.

[1:28:27] So there's a little bit of correction in

[1:28:29] there and and u that is uh uh enables us

[1:28:36] to update it every year but it it's very

[1:28:39] accurate and and the other is

[1:28:41] >> what sorry let me interject. What are we

[1:28:43] correcting from last time we did this?

[1:28:46] That's what I want to know.

[1:28:47] >> So it's just it's going down about $100.

[1:28:50] So

[1:28:50] >> but what in the model are we correcting?

[1:28:53] What assumption in the model are we

[1:28:55] correcting?

[1:28:56] >> That's what I want to know. Okay. So, so

[1:28:59] um the old the old way is a valid way to

[1:29:03] do impact fee studies. Okay. Um it's

[1:29:08] very expensive though to to do those

[1:29:10] studies and and you end up paying a lot

[1:29:12] of money to remodel all of those larger

[1:29:15] pipes. But uh what what they would do is

[1:29:19] they put the model in and then they'd

[1:29:21] take each regional pipe individually and

[1:29:23] say how much room is left in this pipe

[1:29:26] to to supply new residents and try to

[1:29:28] quantify that. And um it's it's very uh

[1:29:33] what the developers call black box where

[1:29:37] um they just say okay uh uh this pipe

[1:29:41] can do this and and there's no way to

[1:29:43] verify that right because you'd have to

[1:29:46] be a highle modeler to go in and try to

[1:29:49] figure that out and and it's very

[1:29:51] complex. Whereas this new methodology uh

[1:29:55] is very easy to update every year. It's

[1:29:57] very fair. it it collects the right

[1:30:00] amount of money um each time. Uh this is

[1:30:03] a very minor correction and and um uh

[1:30:08] there there was one other issue too and that is a a lot of your a lot of

[1:30:13] your uh sources were quite old and so

[1:30:17] they were less less money. uh you know

[1:30:20] when they're developed they uh didn't

[1:30:23] cost very much and so uh anyway your

[1:30:27] overall your impact fees went up I I

[1:30:30] think about $650

[1:30:32] what you'll collect there's a little

[1:30:34] correction pressurized irrigation sewer

[1:30:36] stayed about the same drinking water

[1:30:38] came up quite a bit um and and if it

[1:30:42] kind of helps you with accuracy we did a

[1:30:45] little comparison with other cities and your sewer. It's a it's a new

[1:30:51] system. It's kind of like what Norm said

[1:30:53] where you have uh very modern technology

[1:30:57] in there. Uh your sewer is one of the

[1:30:59] higher impact fees in in the state, but

[1:31:03] it that makes sense. You have a very new

[1:31:05] modern system. It was kind of forced

[1:31:08] upon you a little bit with with

[1:31:09] regulation. Uh but you did the right

[1:31:12] thing and you did it and your impact

[1:31:13] fees are pretty high with sewer.

[1:31:14] pressurized irrigation was was really

[1:31:17] high, but you have a you have a newer

[1:31:18] pressurized irrigation system. But if if

[1:31:21] you look across the state, your

[1:31:23] pressurized irrigation impact fees are pretty high. Your drinking water

[1:31:27] impact fees were quite low were very low. And so, uh, there there was a

[1:31:33] correction there up I think it was like

[1:31:35] $800. Um, and and and that uh that

[1:31:39] brought them more in line with with a

[1:31:41] little bit less than the average. But

[1:31:43] what what's going to happen is is as you

[1:31:46] update these every year, uh that they're

[1:31:48] going they're they're going to

[1:31:51] streamline and just be right. They'll

[1:31:54] just they'll go up with inflation and and uh uh it's it's a very complex

[1:32:01] uh methodology that um impact fees have

[1:32:04] to go through with all all the laws. Uh

[1:32:07] and and uh um uh I I think the reason

[1:32:13] why the development community loves

[1:32:15] these impact fees is is you can sit down

[1:32:18] and go through each one and understand

[1:32:20] it when when you're done. And and so I I

[1:32:23] feel like you you have uh a lot less

[1:32:26] exposure and you're very well taken care

[1:32:29] of with these impact fees. I'm really

[1:32:31] proud of them. I think they're good.

[1:32:34] >> I still don't I'm asking what changed in

[1:32:38] the model or methodology and I that just

[1:32:41] was like a lot of talking.

[1:32:43] >> Yeah. So,

[1:32:44] >> and and I appreciate it. I'm just like I

[1:32:46] don't either I'm totally not

[1:32:48] understanding or you're not answering

[1:32:49] the question.

[1:32:50] >> So, part of the I don't know if

[1:32:52] correction is the correct term.

[1:32:54] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:32:55] >> Basically, because our current impact

[1:32:57] the culinary water and the pressurized

[1:32:59] irrigation, the last time we updated

[1:33:01] these was five years ago. And so the

[1:33:03] correction is um taking the historical

[1:33:07] data that we've gathered over the last

[1:33:09] five years and taking that information

[1:33:12] and putting it into our the study that

[1:33:15] Hanstown loose has provided that Chris

[1:33:16] has done so that we have a better

[1:33:18] understanding of what those impact what

[1:33:20] the cost for each connection is to the

[1:33:24] city. So the correction, the the update

[1:33:28] to those is to address the new

[1:33:30] information that we've had over the last

[1:33:32] five years to look at that new

[1:33:34] information and make that needed

[1:33:36] adjustment so that we're collecting an

[1:33:39] appropriate amount of impact fees um so

[1:33:42] that we so our bonding requirements or

[1:33:45] to pay for that short shortfall in in

[1:33:48] funding that we have. We experienced it

[1:33:49] with the WRF um this last year. we were

[1:33:54] that two$ two and a half million dollars

[1:33:56] less than when we actually needed to

[1:33:58] finish the construction of that that

[1:34:00] those upgrades.

[1:34:01] >> So Chris Chris, can I jump in here

[1:34:03] really quick? I think what Brian's

[1:34:04] asking is right now you're you're

[1:34:07] modeling the pipes bigger than 8 in

[1:34:11] pipes. You're modeling those on a on a

[1:34:14] cubic foot basis.

[1:34:17] They were not done like that before. or

[1:34:19] they were done on length of pipe and

[1:34:21] there was assumptions on how much that

[1:34:24] length of pipe.

[1:34:26] >> So, so again, this is a much more clear

[1:34:28] method to go, okay, well, that home

[1:34:30] needs 3.7 cubic feet of that pipe.

[1:34:34] That's what they pay for instead of a

[1:34:36] length that that makes other assumptions

[1:34:38] that are less accurate.

[1:34:39] >> That That's what I'm asking is what?

[1:34:42] >> So, that's what's changed.

[1:34:43] >> I didn't feel like you answered that at

[1:34:44] all, which it's okay. I'm just saying

[1:34:47] >> does that make sense that that's what's

[1:34:49] changed in that particular instance?

[1:34:51] That's what's changed is length of pipe

[1:34:53] versus cubic foot capacity of pipe is

[1:34:56] the current way that it's modeled.

[1:34:57] >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Thanks.

[1:35:00] >> I'm sorry about that.

[1:35:01] >> No, it's all right. I just I was just

[1:35:03] like I I I was I don't know how else to

[1:35:06] say I don't understand what you're

[1:35:08] saying and it doesn't seem like you're

[1:35:10] answering my question, but like just to

[1:35:12] put it bluntly, you know, but thank you.

[1:35:14] I there's one thing I really liked about

[1:35:16] that about this whole thing is that you

[1:35:20] had a vision that you could take all

[1:35:23] these figures that were coming in and

[1:35:26] build it into a model that created the pathway for cities like us to get on

[1:35:32] board to be a part of it and to bring

[1:35:36] those costs together almost yearly and

[1:35:39] keep up with uh the cost of living, the

[1:35:43] cost of pipes, the cost of work to do

[1:35:46] them with which also is a big part of

[1:35:48] this. Am I wrong or

[1:35:52] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a really

[1:35:55] progressive way to to approach impact

[1:35:58] fees and and it should keep cities out

[1:36:03] of the situation that John was just

[1:36:05] explaining where you get into a project

[1:36:08] and you don't have enough money

[1:36:09] >> Yeah. to do the project when it comes

[1:36:11] along because you're keeping up with it

[1:36:13] in inflation and the way that the per

[1:36:16] cubic feet like what Norm was saying

[1:36:18] when when you say all right every every

[1:36:21] new house needs to pay for you know five

[1:36:26] cubic feet of of regional pipe in order

[1:36:29] to build all the regional pipe that we

[1:36:30] need. It's very easy to say well that's

[1:36:34] 2 and 1/2 ft of pipe. What does 2 and

[1:36:37] 1/2 ft of pipe cost? Okay, you pay for

[1:36:39] that. And and that's very

[1:36:40] understandable. Whereas the length of

[1:36:43] pipe, they're very complex formulas

[1:36:46] going into it saying, well, this length

[1:36:48] of pipe might h help a thousand

[1:36:51] residents. Okay. Let's divide the length

[1:36:53] by those thousands. So, it was just a

[1:36:55] different methodology like John said,

[1:36:56] not so much a correction.

[1:37:00] » Okay. Okay. Any other questions?

[1:37:07] I thank you Chris and thank you for

[1:37:09] being here. Thanks for your ideas and

[1:37:12] you know what Norm and John have shared

[1:37:14] with me you know over this time frame I

[1:37:17] think have been important and I see a

[1:37:20] vision for the future for us and other

[1:37:22] cities that'll really help in dialing in

[1:37:27] uh the complexity of these impact fees

[1:37:30] to the point that

[1:37:32] um we're not going to have to answer to

[1:37:35] the governor every time we do something

[1:37:38] that it's proven and it's proven up to

[1:37:41] date. So, or at least that was my

[1:37:44] outlook and I I felt like, you know,

[1:37:46] we're on the right track.

[1:37:48] >> So, two things that have been talked

[1:37:49] about. Chris talked about defensible.

[1:37:52] Brett Brett will tell you that impact

[1:37:54] fees need to be defensible,

[1:37:56] >> and that's where we're at right now.

[1:37:58] Could it be said that maybe we were

[1:38:00] collecting $100 more than we should have

[1:38:01] before? Maybe. I don't think that's the

[1:38:04] case because we've talked about the

[1:38:05] credits and the other things, but but

[1:38:07] the reality of it is is that there's two

[1:38:08] things that we have to rely on here. One

[1:38:10] is that Chris is the ultimate

[1:38:12] professional. I I've followed Chris for

[1:38:14] 18 years in my career. And I look up to

[1:38:17] Chris because he is very very smart

[1:38:19] about water. Some of the things that are

[1:38:21] happening with Submo that we've had here

[1:38:23] that we've talked about and Mount Nebo

[1:38:26] have come because of the example of

[1:38:27] Chris when he was at Spanish Fork.

[1:38:29] defensible and the fact that he has to

[1:38:32] sign these things. He is the engineer

[1:38:34] saying yes, I'm certifying that yes,

[1:38:37] this is defensible and this is the

[1:38:39] amount of the fee that it should be and

[1:38:41] maybe it's going down, but but I believe

[1:38:43] that this is the accurate fee that you

[1:38:46] should be that you should be charging so

[1:38:49] that it's defensible. So, those are two

[1:38:51] key things. Chris is putting his stamp

[1:38:54] on the line by saying this. It would be

[1:38:56] very difficult for us and I'm not saying

[1:38:58] that we would to say, "Hey, we don't

[1:38:59] want it to go down, right? We we want

[1:39:01] you to fudge the numbers or we want to

[1:39:03] do whatever. We've not asked that

[1:39:04] obviously, but but putting his stamp on

[1:39:07] that is his integrity and his seal that

[1:39:10] he's done this according to good

[1:39:11] engineering principles and meeting the

[1:39:13] state code at the same time, which is

[1:39:14] very convoluted. It It is not easy. I

[1:39:17] can promise you it's not. So, I I

[1:39:20] commend Chris as well. I I've enjoyed

[1:39:22] working with him and and every time I

[1:39:24] see these data tables that he's put

[1:39:25] together, it's like,

[1:39:27] >> can I can I chime in? Um

[1:39:30] I I saw throughout the document where it

[1:39:32] said error, no text of specified.

[1:39:34] >> I see this right here, Chris.

[1:39:35] >> Something all over the document.

[1:39:37] >> That's not in the one I sent that wasn't

[1:39:39] in there. Uh, so I I think uh it

[1:39:43] probably just whoever

[1:39:46] manipulated that here probably it just

[1:39:50] >> Are we missing something?

[1:39:51] >> It's just a title. It's the same title

[1:39:54] as in the document. So it's easily

[1:39:55] corrected. But uh

[1:39:58] >> so

[1:39:58] >> it's a label, not data.

[1:40:00] >> It's AI. It did it.

[1:40:03] >> Yeah.

[1:40:04] >> But what are we missing?

[1:40:05] >> It's just the title of the of the actual

[1:40:08] table in your report. So it's what

[1:40:11] you're missing is table one-4.

[1:40:14] So it's the one. So it's there's nothing

[1:40:18] substantive. You you have the the

[1:40:21] description of the table underneath it.

[1:40:22] The only thing you're missing in there

[1:40:24] is the one that was attached to the

[1:40:26] table in the original document. So

[1:40:28] >> but we'll get that fixed, right? Yeah,

[1:40:30] >> we will.

[1:40:30] >> Okay.

[1:40:31] >> Yes. I I do want to point out one other

[1:40:33] thing. Chris Chris sent some other

[1:40:35] documents today that I want to pull up

[1:40:37] here and just show you that there was

[1:40:38] one thing that he and I talked about

[1:40:41] after we published this that I think

[1:40:42] needs to be corrected and I'm going to

[1:40:43] just go to it really quick. It's only in

[1:40:46] the

[1:40:47] drinking water and in the uh sewer

[1:40:49] master plans, but in in the table itself

[1:40:53] of the IFA where it talks about the the

[1:40:57] uh impact fees right right here.

[1:41:01] Th this one calls this a maximum the the

[1:41:04] original one that was in the packet

[1:41:06] calls this a maximum allowable fee for a

[1:41:09] detached ADU. There is no such thing

[1:41:11] because they've not modeled that. What

[1:41:13] they have modeled is they've modeled the

[1:41:15] single family dwelling and the

[1:41:17] multifamily dwelling that with all the

[1:41:19] data that we have this this proposed

[1:41:21] impact fee for detached ADUs is our 10%

[1:41:24] reduction. So, I I wanted him to change

[1:41:27] that because it's not really defensible

[1:41:30] to say it's a maximum allowable impact

[1:41:32] fee because it's not. It's not been

[1:41:33] modeled. It's really a choice that we're

[1:41:36] making to try and help with moderate

[1:41:37] income housing. So, in both the in both

[1:41:41] the uh sewer and the water, I've had him

[1:41:44] change that table. Let me let me go to

[1:41:45] the other one and I'll show you what

[1:41:47] that looks like.

[1:41:49] Does Brett does that does that like ruin

[1:41:53] the defensibility of the detached

[1:41:55] cities?

[1:41:56] >> Okay.

[1:41:59] » You're not required to charge the

[1:42:01] maximum allowable by the law. So

[1:42:04] >> Chris, what table am I going to here?

[1:42:07] >> Uh probably

[1:42:09] that's the problem. The PI doesn't have

[1:42:11] that.

[1:42:12] >> Um

[1:42:13] >> yeah, pressurized irrigation wouldn't

[1:42:14] have that because that's based on

[1:42:15] landscaped area. So it only be

[1:42:17] >> let me go to the other one.

[1:42:18] >> Drinking water and sewer.

[1:42:20] >> I need to go to the drinking

[1:42:21] >> but the 90% is is a little more

[1:42:23] arbitrary. You couldn't the maximum

[1:42:25] allowable would actually be the 100%. So

[1:42:28] it was a good change. It didn't it

[1:42:30] didn't change any number.

[1:42:31] >> So if you look at this that that maximum

[1:42:34] allowable per data detach ADU is in in

[1:42:37] is inaccurate wording. It should say

[1:42:39] what this one says and that is that

[1:42:41] that's our proposed

[1:42:43] impact fee for a detached ADU. That's

[1:42:45] the 10% that we've taken off which meets

[1:42:47] our moderate income housing strategy

[1:42:49] which helped us keep meet our report. So

[1:42:51] that is one change just in the IFA and

[1:42:53] the for the drinking water and the

[1:42:55] sanitary sewer that Chris made on the

[1:42:57] fly and sent it to me a couple hours ago

[1:43:00] and it's not in the packet but that's

[1:43:01] what I would ask you to

[1:43:02] >> should we make that part motion to

[1:43:05] >> yes and that and the tables that are

[1:43:08] missing the numbers we can you can make

[1:43:09] that part of the motion as well or

[1:43:12] >> that sounds good.

[1:43:13] Okay. Any other questions for Chris or

[1:43:16] for Norm? For Brett?

[1:43:22] Good. John,

[1:43:24] you're clear, too.

[1:43:27] Okay. Um, we closed the public hearing.

[1:43:31] And now what I'd like to do is move into

[1:43:33] item 8, 9, and 10. Starting with eight

[1:43:36] on the adoption of the drinking water

[1:43:38] impact fee facilities plan as proposed.

[1:43:43] I'll make a motion that we adopt

[1:43:45] ordinance number 030220

[1:43:48] uh 2022 26 adoption of drinking water

[1:43:52] impact fee facilities plan IFFFP and

[1:43:55] impact fee analysis IFA is that the one

[1:43:58] that we need to

[1:44:00] >> with the correction of scrier's errors

[1:44:02] >> as noted

[1:44:04] >> yes

[1:44:05] >> okay

[1:44:06] >> second it moved and seconded Brian

[1:44:08] >> I

[1:44:08] >> art

[1:44:09] >> I

[1:44:09] >> Jeff

[1:44:10] >> I

[1:44:11] >> Lynn I

[1:44:12] >> Travis

[1:44:13] >> I

[1:44:13] >> Okay. Uh let's move on to number nine.

[1:44:16] Ordinance 0303, the adoption of

[1:44:19] pressurized irrigation impact fee uh

[1:44:22] facilities plan and the impact fee

[1:44:25] analysis. Um I entertain a motion.

[1:44:30] >> I'm getting to that. Hang on just a

[1:44:31] second. I'm getting to that ordinance.

[1:44:33] Sorry, I should have just gone back

[1:44:35] home.

[1:44:36] >> And are there any questions on that

[1:44:38] before we do so?

[1:44:43] I'll make a motion we adopt ordinance

[1:44:45] 03032026,

[1:44:48] an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City

[1:44:49] pressurized irrigation impact fee

[1:44:51] facilities plan and the pressurized

[1:44:53] irrigation impact fee analysis and

[1:44:56] enacting pressurized irrigation impact

[1:44:58] fees providing providing for

[1:45:00] codification correction of scri

[1:45:02] scriveners errors severability and an

[1:45:05] effective date.

[1:45:05] >> I'll second

[1:45:07] >> moved and seconded. Brian,

[1:45:08] >> hi

[1:45:09] >> Art.

[1:45:10] >> Hi

[1:45:10] >> Jeff.

[1:45:11] >> Hi

[1:45:11] >> Lynn.

[1:45:12] >> Hi

[1:45:12] >> Travis.

[1:45:13] >> Hi.

[1:45:14] >> Eight and nine. Let's move on to number

[1:45:16] 10. Ordinance 0304, the adoption of

[1:45:19] sanitary sewer impact fee facilities

[1:45:22] plan and impact fee analysis. I'll make

[1:45:25] a motion we adopt ordinance 03042026,

[1:45:29] an ordinance adopting the Sanquin City

[1:45:30] sanitary sewer impact fee facilities

[1:45:32] plan and the sanitary sewer impact fee

[1:45:35] analysis and enacting sanitary sewer

[1:45:37] impact fees providing for codification

[1:45:40] correction of scriveners errors,

[1:45:41] severability and an effective date.

[1:45:44] >> I'll second moved and seconded. Travis

[1:45:47] >> I

[1:45:47] >> Lyn

[1:45:48] >> I

[1:45:48] >> Jeff

[1:45:49] >> I

[1:45:50] >> Art

[1:45:50] >> I

[1:45:51] >> Brian

[1:45:51] >> I

[1:45:53] >> that passes 8 n and 10 and we can move

[1:45:57] on to a discussion and possible action

[1:45:59] on the change order for the Vanc ULS

[1:46:03] pipeline. Chris and John,

[1:46:06] thank you both for everything you've

[1:46:08] done. Chris, especially

[1:46:11] um your work, your brains,

[1:46:14] um and some of the the great outlook

[1:46:16] that you had on on this program and and

[1:46:19] how we can make this better. So, thank

[1:46:22] you.

[1:46:25] Okay, John,

[1:46:32] mayor and council, this is um say a

[1:46:35] followup to the the email that Norman

[1:46:38] sent uh early last week to kind of

[1:46:40] discuss our connection to the ULS

[1:46:43] pipeline that was recently installed

[1:46:45] over the last couple years. So, they're

[1:46:47] going to be uh start filling that

[1:46:50] pipeline up this this next month or so.

[1:46:53] Um, and we want to uh we we're needing

[1:46:58] to get our connection to that line so

[1:47:00] that we're transferring less water from

[1:47:01] our culinary water system into our

[1:47:04] pressurized irrigation system. And so,

[1:47:07] um, to prevent, as been mentioned

[1:47:09] before, to to help this process move

[1:47:14] along a little bit further and not have

[1:47:16] to worry about getting any access to any

[1:47:19] uh, easements owned by central Utah and

[1:47:22] by extension the Bureau of Reclamation.

[1:47:24] Um, if we're able to get this

[1:47:26] constructed while they're under

[1:47:28] construction of the pipeline, we're able

[1:47:30] to to I can't say bypass may not be best

[1:47:35] term, but we're that requirement for us

[1:47:37] to receive those easements and that

[1:47:39] permission to access this goes away. And

[1:47:42] so an effort to to help do this so we

[1:47:45] can get this installed in time for us to

[1:47:49] um to get us out of that easement and

[1:47:51] allow us to construct the rest of the

[1:47:53] PRVs that's needed um to make our

[1:47:55] connection here uh after that um try and

[1:47:59] get that completed um sometime in July

[1:48:01] so that we can get that get that water

[1:48:04] to us and use it this year. So that's

[1:48:06] the purpose of this this contract and

[1:48:09] this this proposal uh to make that

[1:48:11] connection. So, two things. This is a

[1:48:13] ratification. We already pulled the

[1:48:14] council on this last week and got the

[1:48:16] approval to go ahead and order the valve

[1:48:18] that needed to be the only one in Utah

[1:48:20] that we could get to get it coming. And

[1:48:22] so, that's this is for a ratification. I

[1:48:24] would also mentioned that as we've

[1:48:26] talked about, this would come forward.

[1:48:28] An item related to this in a budget

[1:48:30] amendment would come forward at a at

[1:48:32] another time when we do our next budget

[1:48:34] amendment. We didn't have time from last

[1:48:36] week to do the 10-day noticing like I

[1:48:37] was talking about in the other public

[1:48:39] hearings, but um this is a ratification

[1:48:41] and also this money would come from the

[1:48:44] capital repair and replacement fund and

[1:48:45] then be replenished using impact fees as

[1:48:48] they come in and are available to pay

[1:48:50] that back. Uh pressure irrigation impact

[1:48:52] fees. Yeah,

[1:48:53] >> this is one of the projects. This

[1:48:55] connection is one of the projects that's

[1:48:57] in our current master plan in our IFFFP

[1:48:59] and IFA that was just approved for the uh pressure irrigation.

[1:49:04] >> Y

[1:49:06] I'm happy to answer any questions.

[1:49:08] >> Yeah, we've we've talked about this.

[1:49:10] We've gone through it a little bit. Are

[1:49:12] there any other questions that come up?

[1:49:15] Norm did mention that this is part of a like a next phase that we have that we

[1:49:21] haven't put at RFQ yet or

[1:49:23] >> we have not put out to bid at this point

[1:49:24] in time. We have not.

[1:49:26] >> So Vanc is doing this work but for the

[1:49:30] to finish it for that the rest of the

[1:49:31] project are they will they automatically

[1:49:34] get that or are we going to do RFP and

[1:49:35] >> we will do we will do a competitive bid

[1:49:37] process. Okay. So we won't it's it's not

[1:49:41] um Van Vancom is is

[1:49:45] couple years.

[1:49:46] >> Um but yes, we are going to be getting

[1:49:48] separate bids to complete that the rest

[1:49:51] of that project

[1:49:52] >> so that we get competitive to get out of

[1:49:54] the easement.

[1:49:55] >> This is just to get out of the central

[1:49:56] Utah ement. That's correct.

[1:49:57] >> So we're just we're moving it from the

[1:49:59] future phase to this phase just to

[1:50:02] >> Yes.

[1:50:02] >> avoid correct the easement.

[1:50:03] >> Yes.

[1:50:04] >> Yeah. Heartache and pain and cost.

[1:50:07] >> Exactly. Makes it cheaper. So this will

[1:50:09] come out of that 450 to 500,000.

[1:50:11] >> It is it is included in that. And we've

[1:50:13] also the the amount for these these

[1:50:15] pieces of equipment and installation.

[1:50:17] We've also verified that that meets our

[1:50:20] estimated cost with Hansen Aloo. A

[1:50:22] different Hansen Aloo team is doing the

[1:50:24] design and is getting nearing a design

[1:50:26] for that full connection.

[1:50:27] >> Okay.

[1:50:28] >> Right.

[1:50:28] >> But yes, that that 76,000 is part of

[1:50:31] that $450 to $500,000.

[1:50:33] >> I just wanted to make sure.

[1:50:34] >> Yep. Yes, sir.

[1:50:35] >> Estimate. Yeah,

[1:50:37] >> that's all I add.

[1:50:39] >> Anything else? I'd entertain a motion on

[1:50:43] move or change order two.

[1:50:44] >> I'll make a motion to approve change

[1:50:46] order number two for the installation of

[1:50:47] the connection to the ULS pipeline for a

[1:50:49] not to exceed amount of $75,956.

[1:50:54] » Second moved and seconded. Brian

[1:50:57] >> I

[1:50:57] >> Hart

[1:50:58] >> I

[1:50:58] >> Jeff

[1:50:59] >> I

[1:50:59] >> Lynn

[1:51:00] >> I

[1:51:00] >> Travis

[1:51:00] >> I

[1:51:01] >> motion passed and uh oh Norm sorry um

[1:51:05] there was a typo on that my school

[1:51:07] teacher can't mount

[1:51:09] >> in the memo or

[1:51:10] >> if you go to that top paragraph on that

[1:51:12] memorandum

[1:51:14] um you got to yeah go down it's like the

[1:51:16] third sentence it says if this valve and

[1:51:18] pipe are not installed

[1:51:20] >> that should be installed

[1:51:21] >> I I noticed that

[1:51:23] >> we'll we'll fix that we won't fail That

[1:51:26] was actually great. You know better than

[1:51:27] us last week, too.

[1:51:29] >> That was

[1:51:30] >> I knew what you meant.

[1:51:32] >> Still getting called out.

[1:51:33] >> You got the concrete guy. We got you.

[1:51:35] >> He's an engineer, not a English major.

[1:51:37] >> The problem with it is both engineers

[1:51:39] missed it. So,

[1:51:42] >> okay.

[1:51:44] It'll be here all night.

[1:51:46] >> Good. Uh, let's go on to reports.

[1:51:50] >> Yeah. Just quickly, DRC Planning

[1:51:52] Commission, there's not a whole lot

[1:51:53] that's pending. I think there might be

[1:51:55] one application that'll be ready for

[1:51:56] planning commission. Uh and that's about it. Uh so uh we we'll look

[1:52:04] at I I will probably take some time with

[1:52:07] the new planning commissioner and and

[1:52:08] train him and orient him, but aside from

[1:52:10] that uh there may not be anything for

[1:52:12] the meetings. Uh aside from that, I

[1:52:15] don't really have anything else to

[1:52:16] report tonight.

[1:52:19] >> That's it.

[1:52:21] Okay, Norm.

[1:52:23] >> Yeah. Here we go. Water. Let's talk

[1:52:25] about water, shall we?

[1:52:27] >> Love it.

[1:52:27] >> So, these are our two graphs for the

[1:52:29] engineers in the room and everybody

[1:52:31] else. Uh the bottom red line is where we

[1:52:34] are currently at. This is this happens

[1:52:36] to be the snow water equivalent. So,

[1:52:39] right now we're about 8 in of water up

[1:52:40] the canyon, which is also very

[1:52:42] contiguous or or congruent with the

[1:52:45] lowest water year since we've had our

[1:52:46] snowtail site up there, which was 2017

[1:52:49] 2018 winter. That's about where we're

[1:52:51] at. these these uh this graph and the

[1:52:53] other one will actually come out of the

[1:52:54] mayor's newsletter to help people

[1:52:56] understand where we're at. Um we're not

[1:52:58] in a panic. We we have sufficient water

[1:53:01] as long as we're as long as we're wise

[1:53:04] with it. Uh our our uh WRF produces now

[1:53:08] close to a million gallons a day. This

[1:53:10] is the snow depth which isn't as

[1:53:12] important as the snow water equivalent.

[1:53:15] Uh again, down to about 18 inches on

[1:53:17] that one. Um, I would just report that

[1:53:20] again we're not we at this point in time

[1:53:22] we do not anticipate water rationing or

[1:53:25] any kind of restrictions. We have our

[1:53:27] type one water that will provide water.

[1:53:30] We also will be helping the uls the CW

[1:53:34] the centry water conservancy district

[1:53:36] test the ULS pipeline this year to be

[1:53:39] able to have uh some some water there to

[1:53:42] help us with. Last year, I think we

[1:53:44] probably put a couple hundred acre feet

[1:53:46] of culinary water into our PI tanks

[1:53:48] because several of the sources were

[1:53:50] down. The canyon was down and one of the local pumps was down and we

[1:53:56] just didn't have access to it. So, we

[1:53:57] ended up using some drinking water,

[1:53:58] which again, thankfully, we have that

[1:54:00] option. We have the ability to do that.

[1:54:02] So, I don't have any other reports on

[1:54:05] anything else other than I just

[1:54:06] appreciate the the council and getting

[1:54:08] these two new staff members on board. I

[1:54:11] think it's going to be fantastic. Very, talented individuals and we're looking forward to having them

[1:54:16] here with us and and moving our programs

[1:54:18] forward. So, thank you for that.

[1:54:21] >> Okay, Travis,

[1:54:23] >> I have nothing to report tonight.

[1:54:26] >> Lyn, just thanks to the council and

[1:54:30] mayor and city staff for um supporting

[1:54:33] the Miss Sanquin. I I think those

[1:54:35] scholarships mean a lot to those girls.

[1:54:37] That's that's just a a pet project. I

[1:54:39] love that. And I had two daughters

[1:54:41] involved in that and they enjoyed that

[1:54:43] and um it means a lot to the the little

[1:54:46] girls that watch that too and they want

[1:54:48] to be like Miss Adquin. So thank you.

[1:54:50] That's all I have.

[1:54:52] >> Jeff,

[1:54:53] >> I don't have anything art.

[1:54:57] >> I was I was able to attend the Santa

[1:55:00] Quinn pageant and was greatly enriched.

[1:55:03] I was amazed at the the

[1:55:08] talent that was exhibited and the and

[1:55:10] the confidence and the bravery, if you

[1:55:12] will, that those young ladies had to put

[1:55:14] themselves out in front of the public

[1:55:16] and and compete. And I appreciate it.

[1:55:19] Um, I've had a couple residents this

[1:55:21] week for some reason contact me. Um, one

[1:55:25] is concerned about people living in RVs

[1:55:29] and travel trailers and motor homes in

[1:55:32] their yard. And the other one wants us

[1:55:35] to build a swimming pool.

[1:55:38] I know how that conversation will go. I

[1:55:40] already I already told that person it

[1:55:42] costs more to maintain it than it is to

[1:55:43] build it in the first place. But

[1:55:45] apparently um

[1:55:48] Rever Health in Salem is closing down

[1:55:50] their therapy pool and so we have a

[1:55:54] about 12 at least 12 residents that are

[1:55:56] being displaced

[1:55:58] because of that and they're looking for

[1:56:00] a new home. Um this particular resident

[1:56:03] has offered to donate a lot to put the

[1:56:07] pool on. They've procured volunteer

[1:56:11] >> a lot as in money or a lot as in

[1:56:14] property

[1:56:14] >> ground.

[1:56:15] >> Okay.

[1:56:16] >> Location. Um they've also procured

[1:56:19] volunteers to supply all the equipment

[1:56:22] and the staff to run it to dig the hole,

[1:56:26] if you will. And and they say they have

[1:56:29] some limited donations, but

[1:56:33] we've had a swimming pool fund from the

[1:56:35] very first time I was on the city

[1:56:37] council.

[1:56:39] And it's grown to a whopping 35 or

[1:56:42] $37,000 since then.

[1:56:44] >> Yeah,

[1:56:44] >> that'll get you the steps in.

[1:56:46] >> Anyway,

[1:56:48] >> filters. Get you the filters

[1:56:50] >> from him.

[1:56:51] >> Again, just the appreciation to the

[1:56:54] >> Tequila Gaudy and her entire staff and everybody that was involved in the

[1:56:58] Miss Sanquin pageant. It was

[1:57:02] is very rewarding for me personally to

[1:57:04] be there. Thank you.

[1:57:06] >> Good. Thanks, Art. Uh Brian,

[1:57:09] >> um just a quick update. Uh we had the

[1:57:11] America 250 committee meeting. There's

[1:57:13] some pretty good things planned for

[1:57:14] that. Um and art uh contest um some good

[1:57:21] prizes. I mean money for um different

[1:57:24] categories for I think it's four

[1:57:26] different groups uh based on K through

[1:57:29] 12 age group. So like I think

[1:57:32] three uh grades per group. Um, and then

[1:57:36] there's also a writing contest as well.

[1:57:39] Um, we also had the community services

[1:57:41] board meeting. Uh, that was really

[1:57:43] great. We have a lot of really great

[1:57:45] people um on the board. Uh, we talked

[1:57:48] about a lot of different things about um the rap tax and I think that's coming

[1:57:57] up here in 2028 is when it expires. Um,

[1:58:02] and so, uh, something that I brought up

[1:58:04] and we talked about was just moving

[1:58:07] forward, communication. We had that big

[1:58:09] rap tax open house. Um,

[1:58:13] not a lot of residents other than those

[1:58:15] who were on the rap tax committee showed

[1:58:16] up. Um maybe even like redirecting those

[1:58:19] efforts towards a digital communications

[1:58:22] campaign of hey every week someone's

[1:58:25] some project is spotlighted to say hey

[1:58:28] this is something that's sponsored by

[1:58:30] raptax to to make it not maybe a one

[1:58:33] time a day but but proactively

[1:58:36] throughout the year show residents hey

[1:58:38] this is valuable um especially as it

[1:58:41] comes up for possibly ratifying that

[1:58:44] again. Um, I would love for us to

[1:58:48] continue doing it. Um, and I know that

[1:58:51] usually it passes, but um, it'd be great

[1:58:54] for us to just communicate that. That

[1:58:56] was something that got brought up. Um,

[1:58:59] and then just when this person uh,

[1:59:03] Cammy, right?

[1:59:04] >> Mhm.

[1:59:04] >> Um, I'd love to talk to her about rap

[1:59:08] tax and and the projects that we have

[1:59:09] planned. So, if you just let me know. um

[1:59:12] because that was something we talked

[1:59:13] about in the meetings and a lot of board

[1:59:15] members want to be involved um in in the

[1:59:18] future. But no, that's it for me.

[1:59:22] Yeah, I just want to say that uh Morgan

[1:59:25] and Cammy are going to be good people

[1:59:28] and uh certainly uh want to reiterate

[1:59:32] that um the caliber the uh abilities of

[1:59:36] these people that we've interviewed and had a chance to meet prior to this

[1:59:42] uh approval today with exceptional great

[1:59:46] people all the way around. um which is

[1:59:50] different than most most hiring

[1:59:52] situations you you tend to get in.

[1:59:54] >> Yeah.

[1:59:55] >> Um so I appreciate that. I think we're

[1:59:57] moving ahead very well. Um

[2:00:01] we will uh or I did write uh the

[2:00:04] newsletter for next month that is going

[2:00:06] to be about the water. It's just going

[2:00:08] to go on a little bit more and Norm

[2:00:11] helped collaborate and write half of it

[2:00:14] so make sure that I didn't make a

[2:00:16] mistake. So, um, I appreciate all of

[2:00:20] that to all of you guys. And I do need

[2:00:23] to ask it's 9:00 that we adjourn to a

[2:00:28] short close session which may be called

[2:00:31] to discuss pending a reasonable imminent

[2:00:33] litigation, collective bargaining, andor

[2:00:35] the purchase, exchange, or lease of real

[2:00:38] property. a proposed development

[2:00:40] agreement, a project proposal, or a

[2:00:42] financing proposal related to the

[2:00:45] development of land owned by the state.

[2:00:47] >> Mayor, can I add one thing before we do

[2:00:49] that? I just want to again refer back to

[2:00:52] this young man, Jackson Jensen, and his

[2:00:57] foresight and his eagerness to develop

[2:01:00] this food pantry. I think it's it's just

[2:01:02] marvelous. It's unbelievable young man

[2:01:04] like that came up coming up with that

[2:01:06] idea and he's he's got it all organized

[2:01:08] and ready to go and strongly support it.

[2:01:10] >> It's going to be fun to see how that

[2:01:12] grows. That's that's what I think.

[2:01:13] That's a wonderful public project.

[2:01:17] >> Yep.

[2:01:17] >> So I still ask for a motion. It's 901.

[2:01:20] >> So moved.

[2:01:21] >> Moved. Is there a second?

[2:01:22] >> I'll second.

[2:01:23] >> Moved and seconded. Brian

[2:01:25] >> I.

[2:01:26] >> Jeff

[2:01:27] >> I.

[2:01:27] >> Lynn I.

[2:01:28] >> Travis

[2:01:29] >> I. Now, rather than take a great big

[2:01:31] break, I think if we just

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