[0:06] >> Good evening, everybody.

[0:07] We are here for the

[0:08] City Council Regular Meeting,

[0:09] June 4, 2025,

[0:11] approximately 6:00pm Will you

[0:13] please join Councilmember Sams

[0:14] in a moment of silence and the

[0:15] pledge please?

[0:25] >> Let's continue with the

[0:26] pledge.

[0:28] >> I pledge allegiance

[0:29] to the flag of the United

[0:30] States of America and to the

[0:32] Republic for which it stands,

[0:34] one nation, under God,

[0:36] indivisible,

[0:37] with liberty and justice

[0:38] for all.

[0:42] >> Thank you. Next up is the

[0:47] presentation of the Florida

[0:48] League of Cities 2025 Youth

[0:50] Council and Excellence Award

[0:52] to members of the Satellite

[0:59] Beach Youth Council.

[1:01] >> Perfect.

[1:02] >> Good evening, Mayor, members

[1:03] of the council, staff,

[1:04] citizens, and the members

[1:06] of the Satellite Beach Youth

[1:08] Council. My name is Erin

[1:10] Russell and I am the Member

[1:11] Services administrator

[1:12] from the Florida League of

[1:13] Cities, which is located in

[1:14] Tallahassee, Florida. And just

[1:16] for the audience members who

[1:18] may be unfamiliar with the

[1:19] Florida League of Cities, we

[1:21] have served as the united voice

[1:22] for Florida's 411 cities,

[1:25] towns and villages since 1922.

[1:27] And our mission has remained

[1:29] the same since our founding,

[1:33] which is to protect local

[1:34] decision making because we

[1:35] believe local decisions should

[1:36] be made by those who know their

[1:38] communities best. And so,

[1:39] I want to start

[1:40] by saying thank you

[1:42] to the city of Satellite beach

[1:43] for being a dedicated member

[1:44] of the Florida League of

[1:46] Cities. And I also want

[1:47] to give a shout out to your

[1:49] excellent staff who gave me a

[1:51] very warm welcome when I came

[1:54] to City hall this evening.

[1:56] So, it is my honor

[1:57] to be here this evening

[1:58] to present the Satellite

[2:00] Beach Youth Council with the

[2:03] Florida League of Cities 2025

[2:05] Youth Council Excellence

[2:07] Award. And for this contest,

[2:09] the league asked youth councils

[2:11] to submit an initiative that

[2:13] made significant contributions

[2:14] to their local municipality.

[2:16] And this is a statewide

[2:18] competition that is open

[2:20] to all youth councils in

[2:22] Florida. And only three

[2:24] projects were selected as

[2:25] winners. And the initiative

[2:27] that they submitted aimed

[2:30] to plant trees around the city

[2:32] while educating future

[2:33] generations

[2:35] about the importance of trees.

[2:37] Through innovative planning,

[2:41] collaboration and hard work,

[2:43] the youth Council accomplished

[2:44] its goals. Increasing youth

[2:46] engagement,

[2:47] educating the community

[2:48] about the environment,

[2:49] and helping Satellite beach

[2:51] increase its tree canopy and

[2:52] vegetation. This project not

[2:54] only beautified the community,

[2:55] but also served as a meaningful

[2:57] educational opportunity

[2:58] to engage residents

[3:00] to raise awareness and

[3:03] to lay the groundwork for long

[3:05] term environmental stewardship

[3:06] in Satellite Beach. So,

[3:08] in addition

[3:10] to the trophy that I'm here

[3:13] to present them this. Present

[3:15] them with this evening, the

[3:16] Youth council will also receive

[3:17] a check for $500 to help fund

[3:19] community projects and to

[3:20] continue their important work.

[3:22] So, if I can have the members

[3:24] of the youth council join me

[3:26] on behalf of the Florida

[3:28] League of Cities, I am honored

[3:35] to present you with the 2025

[3:36] Youth Council Excellence

[3:37] Award. Congratulations.

[3:38] [APPLAUSE]

[4:02] >> Awesome.

[4:03] [APPLAUSE]

[4:09] >> I will say that

[4:10] this is not an easy

[4:11] competition. There's a lot

[4:13] of youth council that put

[4:14] into it and there was a lot

[4:15] of worthwhile projects in it.

[4:17] So that you rose to the top

[4:18] of that is not an easy feat

[4:20] to do. So, congratulations.

[4:21] Well done on that. Again, it

[4:24] was well earned. Do that. And

[4:27] we appreciate what your project

[4:28] was. I think back a few years

[4:32] when we were still planting

[4:35] trees and taking trees out to

[4:36] Citizens house and stuff

[4:37] like that. It's important that

[4:38] we keep doing that. I think

[4:40] everybody thinks that's a

[4:41] worthwhile project and I think

[4:42] it's great that you guys took

[4:43] that on and spearhead that keep

[4:44] going that direction. So, thank

[4:46] you again for that.

[4:48] Congratulations on that. Well

[4:49] earned, well done.

[4:52] [APPLAUSE]

[4:59] All right,

[5:00] next is citizens comments.

[5:01] This is citizens comments

[5:03] on non-agenda items. If anybody

[5:05] cares

[5:06] to come up and speak.

[5:18] >> Hello. Hello. Lois Felder,

[5:20] Oceana. I just want

[5:22] to say I am delighted that all

[5:24] of your traffic control boxes

[5:31] have been paid for

[5:33] to be wrapped. I would just

[5:35] like to know how fast the

[5:37] wrapping will take place. Do we

[5:40] have any left? They should be

[5:41] done

[5:42] within the next three weeks.

[5:45] And then there's one left that

[5:46] still needs to be ordered,

[5:48] so it'll probably be closer to

[5:51] after a month or so. Perfect.

[5:53] Great. One other thing, and I

[6:03] don't know if somebody here

[6:04] would have the answer,

[6:06] but once upon a time,

[6:07] way back. When I asked to get a

[6:09] waste disposal garbage can, I

[6:14] guess, at the bus stop. That's

[6:16] right. Right by Oceana, because

[6:19] people were sitting

[6:20] on our little wall and right

[6:25] by the bus stop waiting

[6:28] for the bus. And just dropping

[6:29] all of their stuff. All

[6:30] over the place. And I

[6:32] photographed it and lo and

[6:33] behold, Public works put a

[6:35] trash can attached to the bus

[6:38] stop and actually picked up

[6:41] trash from time to time. It's

[6:44] gone. Why is it gone? Who knows

[6:53] where it went and who can put

[6:55] it back? Mystery.

[7:06] >> Citizens comments still open,

[7:09] please.

[7:22] >> Hey, good evening,

[7:24] everyone. Thank you, Mayor

[7:25] Osmer and city council members

[7:28] for giving us a few minutes

[7:30] to speak today. My name is

[7:31] Andrew Robineau, and I'm

[7:34] standing beside my wife

[7:35] Madison, and my parents, Tina

[7:36] and Dan Robineau. I'm really

[7:37] excited

[7:38] to share some awesome news

[7:39] with you all.

[7:40] Through the incredible support

[7:41] of our community, we raised

[7:42] $7,765 during this year's Tee

[7:43] it up for Maddie golf

[7:46] tournament. This is money that

[7:48] will go directly towards

[7:49] supporting Satellite beach

[7:51] youth athletics between the

[7:53] football and baseball programs.

[7:55] This Event means a lot

[8:01] to us as a family. Not just

[8:02] because of what it raises,

[8:03] but because of who it honors.

[8:04] My brother, Matthew Robino, a

[8:06] young man who grew up right

[8:07] here, Beachside and was deeply

[8:08] involved in the variety

[8:10] of youth sports offered here.

[8:12] This tournament is all

[8:15] about keeping Matthew's spirit

[8:17] and legacy alive by supporting

[8:18] the various areas that he

[8:19] loved,

[8:20] including youth athletics.

[8:23] With this money raised,

[8:24] we're able to fund the new

[8:25] scoreboard just south

[8:26] of us here at Hedgcock Field

[8:27] and provided some relief

[8:28] to the Beachside Little League

[8:30] after some unforeseen damage

[8:32] that occurred

[8:37] to the scoreboard. We're also

[8:39] donating a portion

[8:40] of the funds to the Satellite

[8:42] Beach Youth Football and Cheer

[8:44] association to help

[8:45] with some equipment upgrades

[8:46] for this upcoming season. So,

[8:47] looking ahead, we're hoping to

[8:49] take that tribute even further

[8:50] for Matthew. One

[8:51] of our goals is

[8:52] to eventually have the DeSoto

[8:53] baseball field named in

[8:54] Matthew's honor and assist

[8:56] in a scoreboard commemoration

[8:57] for him, similar

[8:59] to what we have for Zach

[9:00] Seeley

[9:01] with the football field there.

[9:02] For him and his family,

[9:04] this is a park that's special

[9:05] to our family and has many fond

[9:06] memories on the ball field.

[9:07] Together, we feel like this

[9:08] would complement the tribute

[9:10] bench that we have for Matthew

[9:11] along the sidewalk just north

[9:12] of the outfield fence.

[9:17] Ultimately, we'd like to

[9:18] continue partnering and raising

[9:20] money through the Tee it Up

[9:22] for Maddie golf tournament and

[9:24] then other events as well

[9:25] to assist with community

[9:26] enhancements and projects

[9:28] in the area. On behalf of my

[9:29] family and our friends and all

[9:31] those involved

[9:33] with the money that was raised

[9:35] for this event, thank you for

[9:36] this opportunity. I look

[9:38] forward to working

[9:39] with the city

[9:40] on areas that we can help

[9:41] in the future to continue

[9:43] making this town the best place

[9:44] to grow up and to live. God

[9:45] bless you all. Thank you.

[9:46] [APPLAUSE]

[10:20] >> Thank you very much.

[10:21] >> Thank you very much.

[10:22] >> Thank you so much

[10:32] for your community support. We

[10:33] really appreciate that. We

[10:34] really do.

[10:49] >> Thank you, citizens.

[10:50] Comment is still open if

[10:52] anybody else cares to comment

[10:54] on a non-agenda item hearing

[10:55] none. I'll bring it back up

[10:56] here. Next item is city council

[10:57] comments. I'll start

[10:58] with you. Oh, wow. So, I'll

[10:59] just want

[11:00] to reiterate the

[11:01] congratulations

[11:03] to the youth council and as

[11:05] well to the tee it up for

[11:06] Maddie. I have to admit,

[11:08] if I had known, I would have

[11:10] participated. I'm not a good

[11:11] golfer, but I can play. So just

[11:14] remember that next year.

[11:18] >> Thank you again.

[11:20] >> Thanks, Mike.

[11:22] >> Good afternoon, everyone. I

[11:24] attended the lunch and learn

[11:25] for the hurricane preparedness.

[11:27] That was fantastic. You know,

[11:29] part of our goals is

[11:30] to outreach and get citizens

[11:32] Involvement and we had. It was

[11:34] in this chamber because of the

[11:35] voting and I sat up front,

[11:36] but I think every seat

[11:37] behind me was full. We had a

[11:40] range of citizens here

[11:41] from I just moved in,

[11:42] I have no idea what to do or

[11:44] I've been here a lifetime and I

[11:46] still want to learn. So, I

[11:48] think that really is the

[11:49] essence of who we are as a

[11:51] society and who we are as a

[11:52] community

[11:54] with our leadership here. Fire

[11:57] department is represented,

[11:58] Police was represented. Alan

[12:00] Potter's here from Public

[12:02] Works. Everybody just did a

[12:04] great job rolling through that

[12:06] and getting the information

[12:08] out. Some

[12:09] of the information was,

[12:10] what's a shelter? What do you

[12:12] bring in the shelter? I have

[12:13] special needs, I have pets.

[12:15] And we worked

[12:16] through all that stuff. So, all

[12:17] those little things you don't

[12:19] think about until the day of,

[12:21] they brought it to the surface

[12:26] and that was really a big

[12:27] positive. And I think some

[12:29] of us,

[12:30] more than me attended the

[12:31] Edwin Hartman and Philip Flagg

[12:33] wreath laying ceremony last

[12:35] Friday. Chief Pearson did a

[12:36] fantastic job. Stellar,

[12:37] heartfelt ceremony of

[12:39] remembrance and that was really

[12:45] what this city is about also.

[12:46] So that's what I have.

[12:49] >> Thanks, Mike.

[12:51] >> I'll be brief. I want

[12:54] to couple comments on the

[12:55] Citizen comments. Thank you all

[12:57] to organizations supporting the

[12:58] city, doing something positive

[13:00] out there. And thank you very

[13:02] much. I want to thank Ms.

[13:03] Felder and hold her up as an

[13:05] example to anyone

[13:07] out there who's watching.

[13:10] Thank you for your stick

[13:12] to activeness and, you know,

[13:22] holding us accountable. And,

[13:23] you know, if you're

[13:24] out there, please come

[13:25] to meetings, share your ideas.

[13:26] Like her idea was a good one

[13:28] and it's gotten carried out.

[13:29] You know, yours may or may not

[13:30] be achievable, but we don't

[13:31] know unless you come and tell

[13:32] us. So, I hold her up as an

[13:33] example of someone who's come

[13:35] over and extend a period

[13:36] of time, you know, stated an

[13:37] idea and now it's happening.

[13:39] So, I commend you and I

[13:40] encourage others to come out

[13:43] here because there's no

[13:44] limitation on good ideas. And

[13:45] we don't know unless you tell

[13:46] us. The Youth Council.

[13:47] Congratulations to all of them

[13:48] for their hard work and thank

[13:50] you for coming down here from

[13:52] Tallahassee to honor them.

[13:54] Last thing I want to say,

[13:55] this came to me spontaneously

[13:56] as I was pulling in, but I saw

[13:58] a very relaxed citizen named

[14:00] David Abernathy riding his bike

[14:02] with his dog as I was pulling

[14:03] in here. And so,

[14:06] it's a pleasure to see Chief

[14:08] Dangler out there,

[14:11] but that brought a smile

[14:13] to my face. So that's all I

[14:14] have.

[14:16] >> Thank you. We had a busy

[14:17] month of May

[14:19] since we last met. So, a couple

[14:20] of things. I just wanted

[14:21] to thank city staff

[14:23] for joining us at Surfside

[14:24] for bike to school day. We had

[14:26] city manager and police and

[14:27] fire there with us. That was a

[14:28] great way

[14:29] to start the morning. Thank you

[14:31] to everyone involved with all

[14:34] the graduation festivities,

[14:35] from hanging banners to helping

[14:37] run the parade and keep the

[14:39] kids safe during the parade.

[14:41] Thank you for allowing me

[14:43] to stand in your place

[14:44] at graduation.

[14:46] >> Represented us well.

[14:49] >> We, we were a little afraid

[14:51] that the weather was not going

[14:52] to cooperate and started a

[14:53] little late,

[15:05] but it was perfect. It was

[15:06] perfect. So. And again, the

[15:08] Hartman flag ceremony is a very

[15:09] special one in the city and I

[15:10] hope that continues. I'm glad

[15:11] that you continue

[15:12] to do that year after year and

[15:13] honor their memory and their

[15:14] service to our city. So, and

[15:15] again, of course

[15:16] to our youth council,

[15:17] Congratulations. Anna and

[15:18] Cassie and Linda, thank you for

[15:19] running that group and keeping

[15:20] it going strong. I look forward

[15:21] to seeing what they do again

[15:22] next year. And Erin, thank you

[15:23] for joining us as well. And the

[15:24] Robin O family, thank you for

[15:25] taking something really tough

[15:27] and sad and turning it

[15:28] into something really,

[15:29] really special

[15:30] to year golf tournament. Thank

[15:31] you.

[15:32] >> Can I hop on really quick?

[15:35] >> I was remiss

[15:43] in not mentioning thank you

[15:44] to all the public safety folks.

[15:45] As a Surfside parent, both my

[15:47] son and my wife commented

[15:48] on that and how awesome it was.

[15:49] Someone called my son out

[15:50] in a positive way

[15:51] for having his helmet

[15:52] on specifically and that

[15:53] like made his day. He came and

[15:54] told me, look,

[15:55] I got positive feedback.

[15:56] Feedback which he loves. So,

[15:57] thank you all

[15:58] for that.

[15:59] >> I am not going to add

[16:00] anything further. We'll just

[16:03] keep on moving along

[16:04] with this. Next up is city

[16:06] attorney's report.

[16:14] >> Jim, I have something this

[16:15] evening regarding the sale

[16:17] of the 15-foot strip

[16:19] around the property for Arctic

[16:20] rays. The title company is

[16:24] requiring a resolution instead

[16:29] of the motion that was

[16:31] previously approved. So, I have

[16:34] a resolution prepared. There's

[16:36] an additional item

[16:38] in here that we didn't discuss,

[16:39] which is paragraph three that

[16:41] talks about the waiver

[16:45] of mineral rights. So, they

[16:46] just want that specifically

[16:49] addressed. So that's been

[16:50] included in the resolution.

[16:51] But other than that, the

[16:53] resolution is essentially

[16:54] exactly the same as the.

[16:56] >> You couldn't get them

[16:58] to write over this, Jim?

[17:02] >> No, they wanted to. Well,

[17:03] originally, they wanted to

[17:05] include other stuff that

[17:06] applies to counties, you know,

[17:08] basically declaring surplus and

[17:09] all that kind of stuff. So,

[17:10] it's like this is,

[17:13] this is what they wanted. They

[17:16] also questioned whether or not

[17:17] the city manager can Sign the

[17:20] deed, which I'll have to deal

[17:21] with later. But unlike the

[17:23] county where the statute

[17:24] requires, there's a specific

[17:26] statutory form for counties,

[17:27] but there isn't one

[17:28] for cities. And the chair or

[17:29] vice chair has to sign any D

[17:30] to conveyance.

[17:32] But our charter is not.

[17:33] Doesn't say anything

[17:34] specifically about it, but it

[17:35] says that the mayor will sign

[17:37] it unless the charter or the

[17:38] city council directs otherwise.

[17:40] Which is what the motion did.

[17:42] It directed that the city

[17:43] manager can do it,

[17:44] but I'll resolve that later.

[17:47] The mayor may have to sign it.

[17:48] I don't know that. I'll deal

[17:50] with that. All right,

[17:52] that's it. We just need a

[17:55] motion

[17:56] to approve the resolution. I

[17:57] got to read it. Resolution

[18:01] number 1073, a resolution

[18:03] of the city of Satellite

[18:05] Beach, Brevard County,

[18:07] Florida, ratifying prior action

[18:09] of city council approving

[18:10] executive execution

[18:11] of and closing of sale with

[18:12] Arctic Rays LLC, waiving any

[18:14] mineral rights as provided in

[18:15] Section 270.11 Florida

[18:17] Statutes to the property

[18:18] to be conveyed to Arctic Rays

[18:20] LLC,

[18:21] providing an effective date.

[18:22] That's a reading

[18:23] of resolution number 1073.

[18:26] >> I'll make a motion

[18:27] to approve resolution number

[18:28] 1073 as presented.

[18:32] >> Second.

[18:35] >> I have a motion and a

[18:36] second. Is anybody else up

[18:37] here? Ready? So basically,

[18:39] it's the same thing. Same thing

[18:41] we discussed before.

[18:42] >> Yes.

[18:43] >> We're just putting it a

[18:44] resolution.

[18:45] >> Correct.

[18:46] >> May I ask a question, just

[18:48] out of curiosity? The part that

[18:50] had to be added

[18:51] in waiving any mineral rights,

[18:52] what does that mean?

[18:55] >> There's a statute that

[18:58] section that's cited in there

[19:00] basically provides that

[19:01] provides for how mineral rights

[19:07] are addressed in conveyances

[19:08] by governmental entities. And

[19:10] if you don't waive it,

[19:11] it's reserved. And so,

[19:13] if the city doesn't execute

[19:16] this, then there will be what

[19:22] they call an exception

[19:23] to the title policy

[19:29] for that mineral rights. And I

[19:30] mean council can do that too if

[19:31] it chooses to,

[19:32] but all it is a 15-foot strip

[19:33] around the building or around

[19:35] the property is what it is.

[19:37] And the city's still going

[19:38] to have an easement

[19:39] over that same 15ft too,

[19:40] so.

[19:42] >> Okay, thank you.

[19:46] >> Anything on that?

[19:47] >> I was also curious.

[19:48] >> Thanks for asking. I was

[19:49] expecting somebody be digging

[19:50] for gold or uranium or

[19:52] something.

[19:54] >> No, actually what. What it

[19:55] really applies to is more. I

[19:56] mean where it has historically

[20:00] come up in Florida, I guess

[20:01] for lack of a better way

[20:02] of putting it is in is the

[20:04] phosphorus mines and things

[20:05] like that.

[20:06] >> Right.

[20:09] >> Okay.

[20:12] >> But when we agreed

[20:13] to set this is one

[20:15] of the proverbial bundles of

[20:16] sticks which two private

[20:17] parties would be conveyed. But

[20:18] because there's this statute,

[20:19] we're just kind of clarifying

[20:21] our intention that we intended

[20:22] to convey everything.

[20:23] >> Correct.

[20:24] >> Is that a good way

[20:25] to summarize it?

[20:26] >> Yes. All right,

[20:29] I'll open up

[20:30] for citizens comments

[20:32] since we're voting

[20:37] on if anybody wants to comment

[20:43] on this. All right. Hearing

[20:44] None.

[20:45] [ CALLING ROLL]

[20:48] >> The motion passes.

[20:51] >> I have nothing else.

[20:52] >> Thank you, Jim. All right,

[20:53] next up, City Manager Brittany

[20:55] thank you, Mayor.

[20:56] >> So, our summer classes began

[20:57] this past Monday, June 2nd.

[20:59] There are still some spots

[21:00] available for the summer

[21:01] activity registration,

[21:02] so sign up today

[21:03] for the incredible summer camps

[21:04] by visiting satellitebeach.gov

[21:06] recreation or give them a call

[21:07] to choir about availability.

[21:08] Flag Day is next Saturday,

[21:09] June 14th where we honor the

[21:12] symbol of our freedom,

[21:15] unity and pride. Join us at

[21:17] City Hall. Flags will be raised

[21:19] at 7:30 and retired at 5pm

[21:20] Soak up the summer with

[21:22] connection and community

[21:23] business. Networking events

[21:25] will be held next Thursday,

[21:27] June 19th. I'm sorry,

[21:29] in two weeks June 19th at 5:30

[21:30] at Cadillac Cove

[21:31] in the VIP room. Be sponsored

[21:32] by CO Advantage. Mark your

[21:34] calendars for Go Skate Day

[21:36] Satellite beach skate Park on

[21:38] June 21 from 4pm There will be

[21:40] contests, giveaways,

[21:42] live music and food trucks.

[21:44] Come out and enjoy the fun.

[21:46] Our Recreation Department is

[21:47] holding a special community

[21:48] event introducing

[21:50] neurodivergent children

[21:51] to the 911 response system on

[21:53] June 23rd and 24th. This event

[21:54] is aimed

[21:57] at reducing anxiety and fear

[21:58] in real life emergencies.

[22:00] Participants will meet city

[22:02] police officers, firefighters

[22:03] and paramedics interacting with

[22:07] their vehicles and equipment.

[22:08] Equipment ending in a

[22:10] demonstration mimicking a

[22:11] real-life emergency.

[22:12] For more information,

[22:14] contact our Recreation

[22:15] Department. Our Police

[22:16] department received a thank you

[22:17] from the 55 Plus Club

[22:18] for their participation

[22:20] in the 1920 speakeasy event.

[22:21] The event was a huge success

[22:22] thanks to the team's

[22:23] outstanding performance and

[22:24] creativity,

[22:26] creative energy. A Special

[22:27] thanks to Lt. Kinsey

[22:29] for excellent coordination.

[22:30] The team brought fun and

[22:32] laughter to the community and

[22:37] now proudly recognized as an

[22:39] honor Honorary member of the

[22:47] Fun Department.

[22:48] >> What was your role Chief

[22:49] in that speakeasy?

[22:50] >> The Brevard County Natural

[23:02] Resource Department kindly

[23:03] shared photos of the co

[23:04] plannings that were done

[23:05] following the recent beach

[23:06] renourishment. The coats are

[23:07] thriving and appear to be

[23:08] in excellent condition,

[23:09] contributing positively to

[23:10] restored dune environment and

[23:11] there were pictures of that

[23:12] in the attachment. As an

[23:13] update, we did finally get the

[23:14] final cost

[23:15] for the senior banners. It was

[23:16] $6,740 and as of May 27th when

[23:17] this report was printed,

[23:18] we had received $635

[23:19] in donations to that. The rest

[23:20] of my report has the community

[23:21] development department activity

[23:22] along with all the other

[23:23] department's activities

[23:24] for the month of April. And

[23:25] at your next meeting,

[23:26] we'll have all of the activity

[23:27] for the month of May. And that

[23:28] is all I have.

[23:34] >> Mayor, thank you very much.

[23:35] Moving on to agenda item 8,

[23:36] which is the consent agenda,

[23:39] and there are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

[23:42] items on there. We can take

[23:44] them all as one. Unless

[23:45] somebody would like

[23:47] to pull an individual one out

[23:49] to discuss.

[23:51] >> I've got a correction

[23:56] for the minutes.

[24:00] >> Okay.

[24:01] >> On page four,

[24:02] the second action item, there's

[24:04] a scrivener's error that refers

[24:05] to me as vice mayor body. Not

[24:07] to be confused

[24:08] with the former Minnesota

[24:09] governor as not a known AKA

[24:10] gotcha. I confess to doing that

[24:14] myself quite often.

[24:15] >> All right,

[24:21] so we have that added to it.

[24:28] Anybody else have any other

[24:30] questions, concerns

[24:31] with that? No. If not,

[24:32] I'll entertain a motion to. To

[24:33] accept the consent agenda.

[24:34] >> Mayor, there is a gentleman

[24:35] who wants. Oh, no,

[24:36] never mind.

[24:37] We thought it was consent,

[24:38] but it's not. Never mind.

[24:39] >> Okay. Move forward.

[24:40] >> I'm sorry.

[24:41] >> No worries. Do I have a

[24:42] motion

[24:43] for the consent agenda?

[24:44] >> So, moved.

[24:45] >> Okay, I got a motion. Do I

[24:46] have a second?

[24:47] >> I'll second

[24:48] with that correction.

[24:52] >> Thank you. Anything further

[24:53] up here on that, Gwen?

[25:00] >> [ CALLING ROLL]

[25:05] >> Consent agenda passes.

[25:07] Moving on to agenda item 9.

[25:09] Discuss, take action

[25:11] on automatic aid agreement

[25:12] between the city of Indian

[25:14] harbor beach and the city of

[25:15] Satellite beach for fire

[25:17] protection and emergency

[25:19] services. Hello, Chief.

[25:21] >> Hello. How are you? All

[25:24] right. So, we've currently had

[25:25] an automatic aid agreement

[25:27] with Brevard County Fire rescue

[25:28] for over 15 years. One

[25:30] of the things Chief Abernathy

[25:32] was working on prior to his

[25:33] retirement was an automatic aid

[25:35] agreement with the city of

[25:36] Indian Harbor Beach Fire

[25:38] Department and Patrick's

[25:40] Space Force Fire Department.

[25:42] An automatic aid agreement

[25:44] allows for its more formalized

[25:50] agreement for shared resources

[25:51] for both fire and emergency

[25:53] medical services to where if

[25:54] it's a specific call comes in;

[25:56] specific units will be

[25:57] dispatched accordingly. And

[25:58] it's a more formal agreement

[25:59] than a mutual aid agreement?

[26:00] This agreement was brought

[26:02] before the Indian Harbor beach

[26:03] city council on May 13 and

[26:04] approved. And now we're

[26:06] bringing it before you.

[26:07] >> So is the big difference

[26:08] between the two,

[26:09] the mutual aid is more they

[26:12] call for us and then we go, and

[26:14] automatic we're just going.

[26:15] >> Typically, the mutual aid

[26:16] agreement, when the on scene

[26:18] incident commanders realize

[26:19] that the incident has grown

[26:21] beyond their resources, they'll

[26:22] request additional resources.

[26:23] That way the automatic aid is

[26:25] more streamlined

[26:27] to where we get a call

[26:29] for a structure fire.

[26:30] Specific Brevard County Fire

[26:32] rescue units would be

[26:33] dispatched with us. That's how

[26:35] it works with Brevard.

[26:36] With this one,

[26:38] it would be the same

[26:39] to where if Indian harbor beach

[26:40] gets a call

[26:42] for a structure fire,

[26:43] rather than waiting

[26:44] for the units to get on scene

[26:45] and verify that they need us,

[26:46] we would be dispatched almost

[26:48] immediately. It would decrease

[26:51] response times, especially in

[26:52] those time sensitive incidents.

[26:53] >> Excellent.

[26:54] >> Indian harbor beach has an

[26:55] official fire department now.

[26:56] Are they still volunteer in

[26:57] New York?

[26:58] >> Beach is still volunteer.

[26:59] About a year and a half ago,

[27:00] they did hire their first full

[27:01] time fire chief. They are

[27:02] working

[27:03] on becoming a combination, both

[27:04] career and paid fire

[27:05] department. They just began

[27:06] on Monday responding

[27:07] to medical calls in their city

[27:08] as a first response agency.

[27:09] So, this way,

[27:10] if they do get two medical

[27:11] calls at the same time and

[27:14] their units are Busy

[27:24] on the 1st, they would be able

[27:26] to call us to back them up.

[27:27] And then as they grow,

[27:28] we would be able

[27:29] to do the same with them.

[27:30] With this formalized agreement,

[27:31] would we be deployed

[27:32] on a fire alarm in Indian

[27:33] Harbor?

[27:34] >> Traditionally, just

[27:36] like ours, all

[27:40] of our condos we handle, they

[27:41] would still be handling their

[27:42] regular fire alarms. I'm not

[27:43] sure if they're going

[27:44] to include us on their

[27:45] commercial fire alarms,

[27:46] but mostly it's going to be

[27:47] their structure fire responses.

[27:48] >> What would be the additional

[27:50] burden you feel would happen

[27:51] when this comes into play where

[27:53] it becomes more automated?

[27:58] In other words, instead of them

[28:00] confirming I actually have a

[28:01] problem?

[28:02] >> Traditionally we've had four

[28:03] calls for service this year

[28:04] in harbor beach, we usually

[28:06] average five or six. I imagine

[28:10] with them calling us earlier

[28:12] for,

[28:13] for more structure fires,

[28:14] we would get dispatched to a

[28:15] couple more that might not turn

[28:16] out

[28:17] to be a structure fire and we

[28:18] may be canceled on. And

[28:19] in addition, with them doing

[28:20] the first response portion,

[28:21] we're not real certain how many

[28:23] medical calls that they run,

[28:24] especially concurrent ones.

[28:25] So, they've started it Monday

[28:27] and I believe they've had one

[28:28] medical call since Monday.

[28:29] So, in order for them

[28:30] to get two calls to have

[28:33] to call us, that's something

[28:34] that we're going

[28:35] to keep an eye on over the next

[28:36] year and see what kind

[28:37] of impacts it'll have

[28:39] to us.

[28:40] >> With this wind, up being

[28:41] somewhat tailorable as far as

[28:42] we move forward,

[28:43] we realize that we're,

[28:45] let's just say,

[28:46] depleting the resources we have

[28:47] in the city because we're going

[28:48] to something that isn't

[28:49] important, not because

[28:52] of its. Indian Harbor. It's not

[28:53] important because there really

[28:55] was not an incident because the

[28:56] automated system brought you

[28:58] out, but there was nothing

[28:59] there. I mean, is that

[29:00] tailorable as we move forward?

[29:01] >> It is tailorable. There are

[29:03] severabilities. There's

[29:05] definitely stuff for. If we do

[29:06] start to use some

[29:09] of our fiscal resources, which

[29:11] on medical calls, a lot

[29:12] of that would be covered under

[29:13] the first responder agreement.

[29:14] So, we would be able

[29:15] to get those calls back

[29:16] from that financial money back

[29:17] from Brevard County Fire

[29:18] Rescue if the patients

[29:19] transported and

[29:20] on a fire. I mean,

[29:21] we've been responding

[29:22] to structure fires

[29:23] in harbor beach for years.

[29:24] So, I imagine if we see a big

[29:25] intake towards where we start

[29:26] seeing our citizens not getting

[29:27] the. The services because we're

[29:29] depleting our resources, that's

[29:34] something that we could address

[29:35] with them.

[29:39] >> But we. And we already have

[29:40] something like this in place

[29:41] with the county.

[29:42] >> Yes, we've had an auto 8

[29:43] agreement with the county for

[29:44] over 15 years.

[29:45] >> Okay.

[29:46] >> So, Patrick Shores, north

[29:47] of us, we've been doing this

[29:48] exact same thing

[29:49] with them with.

[29:50] >> With 62's area.

[29:51] >> Correct. All right,

[29:53] thank you. Good questions.

[29:54] Thank you.

[29:55] >> Yeah, and that gets to my.

[29:56] Like I said,

[29:57] because obviously if there's a

[29:58] fire,

[29:59] we want anyone who can help us,

[30:00] certainly trained professionals

[30:01] going to assist.

[30:03] >> Is there a concern about? I

[30:05] mean, heaven forbid you have

[30:07] two fires. How do you. Is that

[30:10] an issue where you have

[30:12] resources that are needed in

[30:15] the city being expended

[30:16] elsewhere? Is that a

[30:19] foreseeable concern

[30:20] from your perspective?

[30:22] >> It always is a foreseeable

[30:23] concern where if we do get a

[30:24] structure fire in 62's area,

[30:28] which I'm using them just

[30:29] because we've had the agreement

[30:30] with them the longest,

[30:31] traditionally, if we are going

[30:32] to be on that fire

[30:33] for a little bit as part

[30:34] of it, we will ask for either

[30:36] Melbourne to send

[30:37] over an engine or somebody to

[30:38] backfill our area if we're

[30:39] going to be out of service

[30:40] for a while.

[30:42] >> On a fire in 62, that's the.

[30:43] >> That's the station on fire

[30:44] by Sea Park.

[30:45] >> Okay. Yeah. Okay.

[30:46] >> So, you call if you. If

[30:48] it's. If it's a structure fire

[30:49] and you know you're going

[30:50] to have resources deployed,

[30:51] you call for potentially back

[30:53] backfills.

[30:54] >> Okay.

[31:01] >> Yeah, we'll try to backfill

[31:02] the beach as much as possible,

[31:04] because if it is a large

[31:05] structure fire,

[31:13] then you will deplete both

[31:14] 62, 63, harbor and us. So,

[31:15] we'll. We'll start grabbing

[31:16] resources from further away

[31:18] to come in and backfill not

[31:22] only our area,

[31:23] but 62s as well. Okay.

[31:25] >> And this is trying to think

[31:26] of a better. And lightning

[31:32] striking twice. But, you know,

[31:33] like the chance in your career

[31:34] you've not seen a situation

[31:35] where you have multiple kind

[31:36] of at the same.

[31:37] >> At the same.

[31:39] >> At the same time.

[31:41] >> We have a couple times.

[31:42] Notably one,

[31:43] we had a structure fire in our

[31:44] city that our units were at.

[31:45] And as I was responding

[31:46] to that call, we got a report

[31:49] of another structure fire and

[31:50] actually called Indian harbor

[31:51] beach to respond to that fire

[31:52] for us. It turned out that one

[31:53] was a structure fire and the

[31:54] one that harbor went

[31:55] to was not a structure fire,

[31:56] but we were able to, through

[31:57] the mutual aid agreement,

[31:58] call Harbor.

[31:59] >> That's definitely.

[32:00] >> It's a benefit too, because

[32:01] in that situation you

[32:02] theoretically ask what the

[32:03] county, you know, Harbor,

[32:04] Beachside, Melbourne, I guess

[32:05] in theory.Are they involved?

[32:06] >> Melbourne comes

[32:07] from the mainland,

[32:08] but we're also working

[32:09] on an agreement with Patrick

[32:10] Space Force Base as well.

[32:11] >> Okay, sounds good.

[32:12] >> Yeah. Because I think this

[32:13] works the same thing. Even if

[32:14] we had a. A big structure fire

[32:15] and all of.

[32:16] >> Our units are there,

[32:17] we can get.

[32:18] >> The county or someone else

[32:19] to kind of basically show up

[32:20] at our station and stand by in

[32:21] case another call would come

[32:22] out.

[32:23] >> That works, right?

[32:24] >> Thought that happened

[32:25] before.

[32:26] >> Is there any downside

[32:27] to this?

[32:28] >> I think we're going to have

[32:29] to study the agreement

[32:30] depending on calls,

[32:31] and we will keep an eye

[32:32] on it. If we do start seeing

[32:33] ourselves respond to a lot of

[32:34] calls as far as a medical call,

[32:35] we're still going to keep one

[32:37] of our engines in our city

[32:38] for those. I mean,

[32:39] it's just something we're going

[32:41] to track and keep an eye on.

[32:42] >> Thank you.

[32:47] >> Anybody else up here? If

[32:49] not, I'll open it up

[32:50] for citizens. Comment

[32:52] on agenda item 9. If anybody

[32:53] cares to comment

[32:54] on that hearing. None. I'll

[32:59] bring it back up here.

[33:03] There're no other questions up

[33:04] here. I'll take a motion to

[33:06] approve this.

[33:08] >> I'll make a motion to

[33:09] approve automatic aid agreement

[33:11] between the city of Indian

[33:12] harbor beach and the city of

[33:13] Satellite beach for fire

[33:14] protection and emergency

[33:16] services.

[33:17] >> Second.

[33:21] >> Okay, I have a motion a

[33:22] second. So, nothing any

[33:23] further.

[33:27] >> [ CALLING ROLL]

[33:34] >> Motion passes.

[33:35] >> Thank you, Chief.

[33:39] >> Thank you.

[33:40] >> Next up, agenda item 10.

[33:41] Discuss take action

[33:42] on lease agreement

[33:43] between the city of Satellite

[33:44] beach and PCI Municipal

[33:45] services.

[33:47] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

[33:48] item is coming to you because

[33:50] originally when PCI was

[33:51] contracted with the city,

[33:52] there was no Available city

[33:53] facility

[33:54] to house their operations. And

[33:56] at that time no alternate

[33:58] office space was feasible.

[33:59] But however,

[34:01] with the completion of the fire

[34:02] department building,

[34:03] an office area

[34:05] within the shared lobby of the

[34:06] fire department and public

[34:07] works has become available.

[34:08] The space is not designated

[34:09] for use by either

[34:12] of the departments. So, we did

[34:14] take the opportunity

[34:15] to conduct a review of some

[34:18] current beachside office space

[34:19] list listings which average

[34:20] approximately $22 per square

[34:22] foot annually. The identified

[34:23] office space within the city

[34:24] facility would provide PCI

[34:26] at a monthly rate for $1,000,

[34:28] which would include

[34:29] infrastructure such as

[34:30] Internet, water and

[34:31] electricity. The agreement

[34:32] would include an annual

[34:34] consumer price index increase.

[34:35] The terms of the arrangement

[34:36] would be contingent upon the

[34:37] city's ongoing contract

[34:38] with PCI

[34:40] for parking services. So, the

[34:41] space is roughly about 32

[34:43] square feet. Gwen's going to

[34:45] see if she can possibly pop up

[34:46] a picture. I apologize. There

[34:47] was supposed

[34:49] to be an exhibit A

[34:51] with this lease agreement

[34:53] for you guys to see. And I

[34:54] apologize that it did not get

[34:56] put in. So, we're going

[34:57] to be able to show it to you

[34:58] this evening so you can see it

[34:59] and then we'll make sure it's

[35:01] part

[35:02] of the agreement if it were

[35:03] to get approved. So, as she's

[35:08] bringing that up with that, I

[35:09] will answer any questions.

[35:11] >> You know I love math. You

[35:17] anticipated my question.

[35:22] >> I did. Those

[35:23] of you who are familiar

[35:24] with the lobby space

[35:25] into the main building

[35:27] of the public works

[35:28] on one side and fire station

[35:30] on the other. It's literally

[35:31] just that area that has the

[35:33] countertop. And

[35:35] behind the rest of the lobby

[35:36] space will be a shared space.

[35:37] The fire department has things

[35:38] on one side, the public works

[35:39] will have things

[35:40] on the other side. What's going

[35:41] to be nice about it is right

[35:42] now as you walk into the

[35:43] facility when those front doors

[35:44] are open because that entire

[35:45] building is key card secured,

[35:46] you have to pick up the phone

[35:47] and call and have somebody

[35:48] answer the line in order

[35:49] to even get you out

[35:50] of the lobby

[35:51] to go anywhere else. So, when

[35:52] PCI is there

[35:53] during their schedule,

[35:54] they'll be able to help assist

[35:55] with the residents or

[35:56] nonresidents who come

[35:57] in and need to have service by

[35:58] the public works or the fire

[35:59] station. And, and, or

[36:00] for just people who need

[36:01] to go up too,

[36:02] because we're having meetings

[36:04] of some short,

[36:06] which we do quite often

[36:07] over there. So that is another

[36:08] added benefit to this. So, this

[36:09] depiction has the entire lobby

[36:10] and as you can see on the

[36:12] left-hand side. I don't know if

[36:13] you're going to be able to.

[36:14] Oh, there you go. Yeah, that'll

[36:15] work. There you go, so at the

[36:16] bottom you can see where it

[36:20] says the 32 square feet.

[36:24] That's the area that they are

[36:26] going to be housed in box

[36:27] within a box.

[36:37] >> Yeah, you know,

[36:40] they have access to it.

[36:42] But I note on the. Essentially

[36:43] if in the event the parking

[36:49] management agreement is

[36:50] terminated,

[36:57] which correct me if I'm. Isn't

[36:58] there

[37:00] like a 30-day termination

[37:01] on that.

[37:02] >> So, this would also

[37:03] terminate

[37:04] on the same timeframe.

[37:10] >> Correct.

[37:15] >> Okay.

[37:16] >> Is parking going

[37:17] to be a challenge

[37:18] for citizens coming up to.

[37:19] >> So right now, based upon the

[37:20] front area where the public

[37:22] works side of things,

[37:24] those are staying open anyways.

[37:25] And there are at least two

[37:26] spots as well as two handicap

[37:27] spots. So those would stay

[37:28] remain open for residents able

[37:29] to come and deal. I did have a

[37:30] conversation with PCI. There

[37:31] are some times where I think

[37:32] Tuesdays are

[37:33] like their busiest days.

[37:34] But most of the time they don't

[37:35] have a whole lot

[37:36] of traffic that's coming

[37:37] in and out. Mainly they deal

[37:38] with residents and nonresidents

[37:39] out in the field when they're

[37:40] out by the beaches. And then

[37:41] they're going to have two

[37:42] designated spots that will work

[37:43] out to where best suits

[37:44] for that.

[37:45] >> I think one of the things

[37:46] that was brought up in the past

[37:47] was people would say,

[37:48] you know this Satellite beach,

[37:49] this does satellite beach

[37:50] parking. Why is there office

[37:51] outside of Satellite Beach? I

[37:53] heard that comment more than

[37:54] once. So, I think that would

[37:55] at least from concerned

[37:56] citizens perspective who made

[38:00] those observations that hey,

[38:02] this is out of the city,

[38:04] should be in the city, belongs

[38:05] to the city. It would solve

[38:07] that issue anyways,

[38:08] put it closer. And

[38:10] since everybody seemed

[38:11] to show up

[38:12] to city hall anyways, asking

[38:14] about this puts it closer

[38:15] in range. Instead

[38:18] of telling hey, you turn around

[38:20] and go drive all the way up A1A

[38:21] and to go to the office.

[38:25] >> The office manager.

[38:27] >> Ashley?

[38:28] >> Ashley. I thought it was

[38:29] Ashley and then I wasn't sure.

[38:30] I talked to her,

[38:32] she was excited about this.

[38:33] She thought this was going

[38:35] to be really good. Is she going

[38:36] to keep the same office hours?

[38:38] >> Yeah. So, I think the plan

[38:39] right now is to be Tuesday,

[38:41] Wednesday and Thursday from 9

[38:45] to 3. I think their hours

[38:46] actually are like 10 to 4.

[38:47] But I think we've asked them

[38:48] to adjust them to be 9 to 3.

[38:49] It would help public works and

[38:50] the fire department out a

[38:51] little better that way so

[38:53] they're amenable

[38:54] to that. I also thought

[38:55] with it being at the corner

[38:56] of Jackson and A1A obviously

[38:57] that puts it closer

[38:58] to the beaches. And actually,

[38:59] Ashley actually lives in here

[39:00] in Satellite beach. So that

[39:01] Was a nice feature as well

[39:02] to have that as well.

[39:03] >> And they also service

[39:04] Indian harbor beach now. Yes.

[39:05] >> And I don't. I'm just

[39:07] curious. So, would Indian

[39:08] harbor folks be potentially

[39:10] coming in there as well?

[39:23] >> The potential is there.

[39:24] Yeah.

[39:25] >> Wouldn't be a lot of.

[39:26] There's not a lot of spaces

[39:27] down there.

[39:28] >> No.

[39:31] >> Yeah, no, I'm just. I just

[39:33] was just curious

[39:34] about that. I mean,

[39:35] it's there. It's their space

[39:36] to use for their commercial

[39:37] purposes as they see fit,

[39:38] not limited to Satellite beach

[39:39] business.

[39:40] >> Any further up here,

[39:41] questions wise. If not,

[39:42] I'll open it up

[39:43] to citizens comment

[39:44] on agenda item 10

[39:45] by carried comment on it

[39:46] hearing none. I'll bring it up

[39:47] here. Nothing further. I'll

[39:48] entertain a motion

[39:49] for this.

[39:50] >> I'll make a motion

[39:52] to approve lease agreement

[39:54] between the city of Satellite

[39:56] beach and PCI Services LLC.

[39:58] >> Second.

[40:00] >> Okay, motion.

[40:01] >> Second. There's nothing

[40:04] further. Gwen?

[40:15] >> [ CALLING ROLL]

[40:16] >> Motion passes.

[40:22] >> All right, Next, agenda item

[40:23] 11, discuss take action

[40:24] on regulating smoking vaping

[40:25] on city property.

[40:26] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

[40:27] item is brought to you as the

[40:28] last council meeting. It was

[40:29] discussed and we wanted to

[40:30] bring some additional

[40:32] information. The staff has

[40:33] worked to gather that

[40:35] information that is part

[40:36] of your packet this evening.

[40:37] So really, we just wanted

[40:38] to provide that to you and then

[40:39] provide us some discussion

[40:40] about what to consider and what

[40:42] as you're looking into this.

[40:43] So, with that,

[40:44] we'll leave it up

[40:45] for open discussion and be

[40:46] happy to discuss it. Our police

[40:48] chief is here, Fire chief is

[40:49] here, Recreation director is

[40:51] here. All of those departments

[40:52] that would be affected

[40:53] by making these types

[40:54] of changes. So, I wanted

[40:56] to have them all here

[40:57] for expertise

[40:58] to help answer some

[40:59] of the questions that you may

[41:01] have.

[41:07] >> All right.

[41:08] >> Who would like to start?

[41:09] Anybody got any questions,

[41:10] thoughts, theories?

[41:12] >> It being delayed again as a

[41:13] topic has brought a lot

[41:14] of comments

[41:15] from the citizens,

[41:16] which is what we want, right?

[41:17] We want

[41:19] to represent the citizens. And

[41:20] the more that we discuss it,

[41:22] and unfortunately it seems

[41:25] like a delay,

[41:26] but the more we discuss it,

[41:27] the more input we have. So.

[41:28] And that's a wonderful thing. I

[41:31] know we've received emails

[41:32] at our council. Email addresses

[41:34] of course, correspond

[41:36] with some of those directly.

[41:38] And there is an overwhelming

[41:42] consensus, I guess,

[41:44] for the ban, based on

[41:47] observations that citizens have

[41:49] seen the negative aspect,

[41:52] the unfortunate negative aspect

[41:54] of the smoking and vaping

[41:56] on our beaches,

[42:01] on our walkways and

[42:04] on our citizens seems to be

[42:05] overwhelmingly supporting this.

[42:08] An ordinance

[42:10] to ban smoking and vaping

[42:12] on city property. What I've

[42:14] read is there are some areas

[42:15] that should not even be

[42:19] questionable as far as

[42:21] approaches go. Beach access

[42:24] goes, public parks goes. There

[42:26] may be some questions regarding

[42:28] the open beach. There was a

[42:29] discussion on don't allow it in

[42:31] parking lots because we'll

[42:41] still get butts on in the

[42:43] parking lots. I heard we also

[42:44] have last time we talked about

[42:47] distributing those ashtrays

[42:48] that were provided to us by the

[42:52] SWAT team students awareness

[42:53] and the ashtrays we have out

[42:54] there are full and it's just

[42:57] creating more workload

[43:00] for our city staff. Go clean

[43:02] ashtrays. We don't want to get

[43:04] in that business per se. So,

[43:11] I'm just trying to create

[43:12] conversation amongst us,

[43:14] amongst all of us right. That

[43:15] are sitting

[43:17] out there too that it seems to

[43:18] be more overwhelming than I

[43:19] anticipated

[43:20] to have such an ordinance

[43:21] in place. So that's a positive

[43:22] thing. We're moving in a common

[43:24] direction.

[43:26] >> I'll jump in.

[43:27] >> Yes, please.

[43:29] >> Yes, my view

[43:31] on this is unchanged

[43:32] since the last meeting. Not

[43:34] because I'm stubborn,

[43:35] although I am. You know I have

[43:37] had more time to think

[43:39] about it. I don't,

[43:40] I don't think I've counted it

[43:41] but I've had as I think it

[43:42] feels like I've had as much

[43:44] feedback those in terms

[43:45] of emails and just talking

[43:46] to people on this as I've had

[43:48] about a lot of other things.

[43:50] Maybe parking's up there and

[43:51] some other stuff but it's been

[43:52] a fair amount and all trending

[43:54] in a direction that I think is

[43:55] supportive

[44:03] of the same position

[44:04] of sticking

[44:06] with the ordinances presented

[44:08] at the last meeting which it

[44:09] looks like would be consistent

[44:10] with Melbourne Beach. I do

[44:14] philosophically understand the

[44:15] concept of trying

[44:17] to do carve outs. My practical

[44:19] concern with that is the

[44:20] exception swallowing the rule

[44:26] and creating enforcement

[44:28] headaches

[44:32] for staff and you know, like I

[44:34] said so I think it's. I think a

[44:41] ban on smoking and vaping is

[44:42] reflected in what Melbourne

[44:43] beach had and what was

[44:44] presented

[44:45] at the last meeting. That

[44:46] remains my position I will

[44:47] note. And I emailed the city

[44:48] manager, maybe the assistant

[44:49] city manager too just to remind

[44:50] myself because I'm a bit of an

[44:51] absent-minded professor

[44:52] personality type. I hadn't

[44:53] really been paying attention

[44:54] but I went for a run

[44:55] around the city as I need

[44:56] to do more of but still do an

[44:58] occasionally and I was happened

[44:59] to be this was on my mind. I

[45:07] was shocked and appalled by how

[45:08] many cigarette butts I saw

[45:09] adjacent to the

[45:10] to the sidewalk notably along

[45:13] Jackson in front of all that

[45:15] city property there. The

[45:16] schools, the new beautiful,

[45:17] you know Fire and public works.

[45:19] So, I don't want

[45:22] to get too preachy,

[45:23] because I try not to do that.

[45:24] But its people are not being

[45:26] responsible who are choosing

[45:28] to still smoke cigarettes in

[45:33] 2025. So that's my view.

[45:39] >> Jody. Steve, so my concern

[45:41] is with enforcement. And, you

[45:42] know, again, so we make a rule

[45:45] saying that you can't smoke or

[45:47] in or vape in this area. Who's

[45:48] out there enforcing,

[45:55] and that's on another citizen.

[45:56] But then what is the punishment

[45:57] once the police respond

[46:02] to that? Because if you don't

[46:03] have punishment,

[46:05] what's the point? So, we would

[46:07] have to discuss what would be

[46:09] the citation and the penalty

[46:10] for somebody else complaining

[46:13] on another person and actually

[46:15] having enforcement show up.

[46:20] Otherwise it's a useless rule.

[46:23] So, we have to be aware

[46:25] of that. I agree. And I

[46:26] appreciate putting in the

[46:28] citation penalties section here

[46:31] to let us know what other

[46:33] cities and stuff are doing,

[46:35] because you make a good point,

[46:37] right? I mean, it's good

[46:39] to know that information, what

[46:40] other folks are doing or what

[46:41] they've had to deal with

[46:43] Jody.

[46:48] >> I'm still listening to

[46:49] everybody right now.

[46:52] >> I will tell you. I think I'm

[46:54] in agreement with most folks.

[46:56] Most of the comments and stuff

[46:58] I heard are largely banned.

[46:59] The only one, the only thing

[47:00] that I actually heard

[47:02] from actually a couple folks,

[47:04] was just

[47:06] about a designated smoking

[47:08] area. But the only place they

[47:10] brought that up was at Pelican

[47:13] beach, mainly because of the

[47:14] pavilions and family gatherings

[47:16] and all that other stuff that

[47:17] goes on there. And it's

[47:18] probably one

[47:22] of our larger areas. So that

[47:23] was the only one that they

[47:24] said, you know, would there be

[47:25] a, designating a designated

[47:26] spot, a smoking spot somewhere

[47:30] in that area? I mean, that

[47:35] could be troublesome only

[47:36] because you're close

[47:37] to the beach also that's there,

[47:38] and you have a playground

[47:40] that's also there. So, you

[47:42] know, and you can't get too far

[47:44] away because you got the

[47:46] volleyball area there and all

[47:48] that other stuff. But that, I

[47:50] mean, that's just the only

[47:51] other comment that I,

[47:52] that I got out of it,

[47:53] that someone had just mentioned

[47:54] that, and that was the only

[47:55] place they mentioned it, not,

[48:00] not anywhere else or any other

[48:04] property or crossovers or

[48:06] anything. So that was the only

[48:07] part that I, that I heard

[48:17] from that I see where

[48:19] Melbourne beach has their

[48:34] citation, which in Atlantic is

[48:35] pretty much similar to that,

[48:36] other than Palm Bay kicks you

[48:37] out of the park.

[48:38] >> Yeah, I said, I said

[48:39] Melbourne beach,

[48:40] it's a combination of Palm Bay

[48:42] and Milk, is not exactly

[48:44] like any anyone else will

[48:45] Pretty close to Melbourne beach

[48:46] and Palm Bay. That Melbourne

[48:47] beach has a fine.

[48:48] >> There's. It's not allowed in

[48:50] parks and beaches. I guess it

[48:51] doesn't specify other city

[48:52] property combat.

[48:53] >> So, I didn't mean

[48:54] to jump in. No, no, no,

[48:55] that's good. And I just.

[48:56] Looking at some of the issues

[48:57] to consider, I certainly,

[48:58] certainly would think we'd have

[48:59] to have signage, and I know

[49:00] in the harbor does,

[49:01] because you can see it at

[49:02] Gleason Park. You can see it

[49:03] from the road. When you're

[49:04] driving down the road,

[49:05] it's there. It says that,

[49:08] which would be good. You know,

[49:14] I'm kind of like you. I'm good

[49:15] with the way it was presented

[49:16] the first time. I don't really

[49:19] have any heartburn with that. I

[49:20] guess I never really knew what

[49:22] all those things were that I

[49:24] saw that turned out to be vape

[49:26] cartridges. I just. I guess

[49:27] it's kind of

[49:29] like you running.

[49:31] >> Right.

[49:32] >> If you're not looking

[49:34] for it, you probably don't.

[49:37] Don't see it.

[49:38] But you're right. You know,

[49:42] my last trip to the beach this

[49:43] past weekend and what I saw,

[49:44] even around the trash cans,

[49:45] by the crossover and

[49:47] on the crossover and going

[49:48] down the stairs,

[49:50] on the cross crossover and

[49:51] at the bottom of the stairs,

[49:53] the crossover, you know, and

[49:54] that was just one beach access

[49:55] that there was quite a bit that

[49:57] that was there. And obviously,

[49:59] if it's not in the trash can,

[50:00] it's not getting picked up.

[50:02] So. Amen for all our folks who

[50:04] do regular beach cleanups.

[50:05] Can't say how much we

[50:07] appreciate you folks that do

[50:10] that because it certainly needs

[50:12] to be done. It's a mess

[50:14] out there.

[50:15] >> Is it kind of safe

[50:16] to assume? And I appreciate the

[50:19] staff putting this metric

[50:21] together. Is it fairly safe to

[50:24] assume that cities that allow

[50:25] and allow? They just don't have

[50:28] an ordinance that says you

[50:30] can't have it? They never

[50:31] really tackled the topic

[50:33] correct. Okay. So, if it says

[50:36] Melbourne allows and allows it,

[50:39] it's because they never really

[50:40] brought it back up to them.

[50:41] Okay.

[50:42] >> I think for the most part,

[50:43] I mean, this is a relatively

[50:44] new ordinance that the state

[50:47] finally approved.

[50:50] >> Yeah. It's mainly due to

[50:51] that legislation that got

[50:52] passed. And so, some of the

[50:53] cities have taken the

[50:54] opportunity to take a look

[50:55] at it and put an ordinance

[50:56] in place.

[51:00] >> So, it's not like it's been

[51:01] around for 50 years and no

[51:02] one's ever done anything

[51:03] about it. It is a relatively

[51:04] very new ordinance. So, I think

[51:06] just. Just like as we are,

[51:07] it's. It's Just coming around

[51:10] for people to look

[51:12] at it and come up with that.

[51:13] It's probably why there's not

[51:15] as many in there. But I foresee

[51:16] that will probably change.

[51:18] >> I will tell you that the

[51:19] students that were here are

[51:20] making a full force effort

[51:22] to get to all of the cities,

[51:24] including the county,

[51:27] to help try to get this done

[51:28] with all the cities. So, yes, I

[51:29] would agree.

[51:30] >> I've got some more stuff I

[51:31] want to go over, but I'd like

[51:32] to wait till after citizens

[51:33] comments because it we may hear

[51:34] from them.

[51:37] >> I was just going to. And the

[51:38] chief just walked out

[51:41] but I absolutely don't want

[51:43] to see smoking or vaping

[51:44] at our city parks or beaches.

[51:45] My concern is enforcement and

[51:47] what that does

[51:49] to our city staff. So, can you

[51:52] share any concerns?

[51:55] >> I'll be honest. I think

[51:56] it's. I mean, you're going

[51:58] to face this in the next item

[51:59] that we're going to talk about.

[52:01] I think we all know that there

[52:02] are things that happen that

[52:04] may or may not be against an

[52:05] ordinance. I think that it's

[52:06] more about those things, that

[52:07] this would give us an

[52:08] opportunity to use it when it

[52:09] becomes a problem. You know,

[52:11] if somebody is out

[52:12] in the parking lot near nobody

[52:13] else and is smoking a cigarette

[52:14] and isn't bothering anyone

[52:16] because no one else is

[52:17] around and no kids are around,

[52:18] I don't foresee our officers

[52:19] going

[52:20] to that person and telling him

[52:21] to put it out. You know what I

[52:23] mean? But, you know,

[52:24] if there's a group

[52:25] of kids that are on the

[52:26] crossover and they're all

[52:27] smoking and families are trying

[52:28] to cross the crossover to get

[52:30] to the beach, those would be

[52:31] the opportunities where I think

[52:32] that this would come more

[52:34] into play, especially

[52:35] at the playgrounds,

[52:36] at the fields. You know,

[52:38] an opportunity to tell that

[52:40] parent who might be smoking

[52:42] on the bleachers or vaping

[52:43] on the bleachers too,

[52:45] that it's not allowed. That's

[52:47] where I think the enforcement

[52:48] is going to come

[52:49] into play.

[52:53] >> Open it up for citizens.

[52:55] Comment on agenda item 11. If

[52:57] anybody wants to speak.

[53:01] Please, sir. Yes, just come

[53:06] upon. Give us your name, sir,

[53:07] please.

[53:12] >> Honorable members

[53:13] of the city council,

[53:14] my name is Ted Hunt. Can you

[53:15] hear me? Okay. A resident of

[53:18] Satellite Beach. I hope that

[53:23] you will accept a few

[53:25] of my ideas for consideration

[53:26] and discussion. I think we've

[53:28] not clearly identified a

[53:32] specific public benefit of this

[53:37] proposal other than it feels

[53:40] good, we want it, it feels

[53:41] good. I think that we have

[53:47] another issue, which is the

[53:48] potential benefits as compared

[53:51] to the potential costs. We

[53:56] haven't really identified what

[53:57] the problem is and how this is

[54:00] proposed

[54:01] to resolve the problem. What is

[54:04] the supporting data that a

[54:06] problem even exists

[54:08] in the first place?

[54:11] In other words, how many

[54:12] complaints have been received

[54:14] specifically

[54:15] about smoking or vaping

[54:16] in the parks or at the beach?

[54:20] And what is the nature

[54:22] of those complaints, if

[54:23] in fact any have been received?

[54:26] Who complained? Is it the same

[54:28] person or is its multiple

[54:30] persons? And what

[54:32] about the persons about whom

[54:33] the complaints have been made?

[54:36] What are the dates,

[54:37] times and locations

[54:39] of these complaints? And the

[54:41] most important that you already

[54:43] have addressed is how do you

[54:45] intend

[54:46] to enforce this ordinance? If I

[54:50] understand Florida law

[54:53] correctly and if it complies

[54:56] with law throughout most

[54:57] of the states, a peace officer

[54:59] can make an arrest if a felony

[55:02] is being committed

[55:05] in his or her presence, if a

[55:09] misdemeanor is being or an

[55:10] infraction is being committed

[55:11] in their presence,

[55:12] but they cannot make one. They

[55:14] cannot make a misdemeanor or

[55:15] infraction arrest if that

[55:17] misdemeanor infraction is not

[55:18] being committed in their

[55:20] presence. I could be wrong on

[55:23] Florida law, but I don't think

[55:24] so. I think the other issue

[55:27] that we need to address are the

[55:30] direct and indirect costs which

[55:32] have already been exposed

[55:34] on this proposal. And what are

[55:37] the estimated future costs that

[55:39] will see this proposal through

[55:41] to implementation. Thank you

[55:43] for your consideration.

[55:48] >> Thank you, sir. Floor is

[55:50] still open. Anybody cares

[55:51] to comment?

[55:57] >> Thank you, Council, it's

[55:59] Robert chase. I'm at 796

[56:00] Ocean Drive. You know,

[56:02] I'm thankful for the email

[56:03] responses I received and I

[56:05] heard this had been tabled and

[56:07] I took a few pictures on my

[56:09] morning walk the next day.

[56:11] So, I'm in favor of a total

[56:13] ban. I think the smoking rate

[56:15] is 12%. It goes

[56:17] down every year. It's kind of a

[56:19] problem that's resolving itself

[56:21] slowly in the country. But we

[56:22] know secondhand smoke is

[56:24] harmful. But the biggest issue

[56:26] in Satellite beach is the sheer

[56:28] amount of litter, especially

[56:30] around the beach accesses.

[56:33] And, you know, I get thinking

[56:35] about carve outs, but it really

[56:36] is a small percentage

[56:40] of people that keeps going

[56:41] down each year. Enforcement's

[56:44] tough. You know, I know. You

[56:45] know, we walk every morning

[56:46] along, you know,

[56:47] past four beach accesses. It's

[56:48] normal for police

[56:49] to be patrolling that as part

[56:50] of their normal route. So, you

[56:51] know, I think they'll have to

[56:52] ask the morning crew that shows

[56:53] up and will change smoke at

[56:54] Access is watching Sunrise or

[56:55] idle their cars at Shell

[56:56] Street. You know, just have

[56:57] to ask them. You can't do that

[56:58] anymore. And they'll move

[56:59] along. I think that's a

[57:00] particular problem area as our

[57:01] southern beaches abandoned,

[57:02] those folks migrated north and

[57:03] that's where we're getting. A

[57:05] lot of the litter issues. And

[57:07] really what fires me up walking

[57:09] every single morning and either

[57:11] seeing all. This discarded or

[57:13] the same people camped out

[57:14] on the accesses. So, you know,

[57:17] I appreciate what I heard

[57:18] tonight. So, thank you.

[57:19] >> Thank you

[57:21] for the photographs.

[57:23] Appreciate that. Floor's still

[57:25] open

[57:26] for a citizen's comments.

[57:28] Anybody else cares to speak?

[57:33] All right. Hearing none. I'll

[57:34] bring it back up here. You have

[57:36] more, Mike?

[57:39] >> I have just a little bit

[57:40] more. Trying to key off

[57:42] of what,

[57:43] what problem we're trying

[57:46] to resolve. We are not trying

[57:47] to fix anybody's health,

[57:48] although that's a positive

[57:49] off this.

[57:50] But what we're trying

[57:52] to resolve is this litter.

[57:53] So, I've got an email here of

[57:54] an individual that walks a few

[57:56] times a day actually picks up

[57:58] cigarette butts that this

[58:00] individual sees and says,

[58:03] I can't keep up

[58:04] with the overwhelming amount

[58:05] of discarded cigarette butts,

[58:07] especially near the walkovers

[58:08] Magellan Sunrise and Shelf

[58:10] Street. So, I resonate

[58:15] with what said. You have

[58:17] to understand the problem. If

[58:18] there was no litter, then the

[58:20] only resolving problem we have

[58:21] is just smelling it. But we

[58:22] have this litter problem too.

[58:24] So that's really what we're

[58:27] trying to address. And we're

[58:29] trying to address it where it

[58:30] doesn't put burden back

[58:32] on our city staff having

[58:34] to clean up ashtrays. And if we

[58:35] have something in place and

[58:37] there becomes a nuisance, then

[58:38] that's when the police can step

[58:40] in. And a lot of these places

[58:42] are high visibility places.

[58:43] Right. We do,

[58:46] I believe we do run. The police

[58:48] run by these approaches. They

[58:50] run down Shell Street. If

[58:51] individuals are sitting there

[58:53] smoking and creating a

[58:56] nuisance,

[58:58] then now they can go up to them

[59:00] and educate them and ask them

[59:01] to move on.

[59:04] >> That would just probably

[59:05] address the. It's probably not.

[59:07] Again, an assumption

[59:10] on my part. There's probably

[59:11] not been a lot of complaints

[59:14] because there isn't really

[59:15] anything you could do

[59:17] about it. I mean, it's not,

[59:18] it's not banned. It's not,

[59:20] there's not an ordinance

[59:22] against it. So, there's no rule

[59:24] that says you can't do that

[59:25] currently. So, if you were

[59:29] doing it to complain, I don't

[59:30] know what good that would do.

[59:32] There is a law against it.

[59:33] There's an anti-littering law

[59:34] against $500. Right. But that's

[59:37] the issue we're addressing is

[59:38] littering. Not the health

[59:40] issue, not the smell issue.

[59:41] It's the littering according

[59:43] to what councilman Chase just

[59:45] said there's already a law that

[59:47] exists. So therefore,

[59:49] we would be repeating a law

[59:51] on top of a law which is a

[59:53] useless law that our police

[59:56] have to enforce

[59:57] for no good reason,

[1:00:03] because there's already a law

[1:00:05] in existence.

[1:00:06] >> For me, it's not just the

[1:00:13] littering. You know what I

[1:00:15] mean? Like, and I do,

[1:00:16] without getting

[1:00:17] to the officers, have to

[1:00:18] witness the person littering,

[1:00:19] which they're probably not

[1:00:20] going to do in front

[1:00:21] of an officer.

[1:00:22] But if they can't smoke

[1:00:23] at all, then there, you know,

[1:00:24] clearly people. We can all look

[1:00:25] around and see the people who

[1:00:26] are smoking in the community,

[1:00:27] in the community are littering

[1:00:28] a lot out. I think that we can

[1:00:29] all agree to that. If you've

[1:00:30] been

[1:00:31] to the beach access and I

[1:00:32] talked about

[1:00:33] on the sidewalks, I knew

[1:00:34] about it at the beach access

[1:00:35] because I went out there and

[1:00:36] done cleanups and everything

[1:00:37] else. But I was kind of shocked

[1:00:40] when I started paying attention

[1:00:41] on the sidewalks and the public

[1:00:42] buildings. But to me, look,

[1:00:43] I feel strongly that the

[1:00:44] government,

[1:00:45] specifically the municipal

[1:00:46] government, shouldn't be

[1:00:47] in the nanny state business

[1:00:49] of telling people not

[1:00:51] to do things because of the.

[1:00:53] Their own health. There is a

[1:00:54] secondary issue where people,

[1:00:55] and it's crazy, but they.

[1:00:56] People do it. And

[1:00:57] in my experience,

[1:00:58] people can be kind of entitled

[1:00:59] about it, especially people who

[1:01:01] are still smoking cigarettes

[1:01:02] in 2025 in public about, you

[1:01:03] know, doing it at a park or,

[1:01:04] you know, vaping it at a park

[1:01:06] or sporting facility or stuff

[1:01:08] like that. Like, people should

[1:01:09] be able to feel comfortable to

[1:01:10] take their kids or themselves,

[1:01:12] but particularly young people,

[1:01:15] to one of our public

[1:01:17] recreational facilities

[1:01:18] without being exposed

[1:01:20] to secondhand smoke, be it vape

[1:01:23] smoke or cigarette smoke. And

[1:01:26] the other thing about having

[1:01:27] the ordinance is that then you

[1:01:29] can say, hey, you know, look

[1:01:31] at the sign, or, you know,

[1:01:33] it's not allowed

[1:01:34] on city property. As opposed

[1:01:36] to having to get into, as a

[1:01:37] citizen, like a moral argument

[1:01:39] with the person essentially

[1:01:40] saying, like, hey, I think

[1:01:41] you're being irresponsible

[1:01:43] by smoking at this public place

[1:01:45] where other people are. It

[1:01:47] gives cover. I feel like

[1:01:51] for citizens to point

[1:01:53] to that, hopefully law

[1:01:55] enforcement doesn't have

[1:01:56] to get involved,

[1:01:58] but if they needed to,

[1:01:59] if someone was being unruly,

[1:02:01] it gives them cover to do it.

[1:02:02] That's kind of how I, and I do

[1:02:03] think that if you have a

[1:02:04] designated area,

[1:02:06] then it's going

[1:02:07] to be a dispute

[1:02:08] about whether or not you're in

[1:02:10] the designated area or not or

[1:02:12] not. But, you know,

[1:02:14] I hear the thing about, I don't

[1:02:15] think that we should be doing

[1:02:16] it to protect the smokers.

[1:02:19] Because people can make

[1:02:20] whatever, you know,

[1:02:21] in my mind,

[1:02:22] they can make whatever

[1:02:24] informed, hopefully,

[1:02:25] decisions they want

[1:02:26] to make or not make about their

[1:02:28] own physical autonomy,

[1:02:29] but not other people

[1:02:30] on public property.

[1:02:38] >> What did you say?

[1:02:41] >> If we remove the cause

[1:02:43] of the litter and that's going

[1:02:44] to help.

[1:02:46] us with the litter,

[1:02:48] but that goes

[1:02:49] on personal recognizance.

[1:02:51] Yeah. Which obviously they're

[1:02:54] not paying attention

[1:02:55] to anyway.

[1:02:56] >> Yeah.

[1:02:57] >> So, what's the point? I

[1:02:58] fully support smoking pits or

[1:02:59] restricted areas,

[1:03:01] whatever we want to call it,

[1:03:04] but I'm fully on board

[1:03:06] with parks and youth events.

[1:03:08] And so that's why Brevard

[1:03:09] County's example

[1:03:11] to me is the best example.

[1:03:15] Just it's not allowed in youth

[1:03:16] areas and playgrounds.

[1:03:22] >> I kind of consider the beach

[1:03:23] a big youth area and

[1:03:24] playground, though,

[1:03:25] I guess.

[1:03:26] >> Yeah. But the beach is also

[1:03:28] where people go. And we've

[1:03:29] already brought up the issue

[1:03:31] with Pelican park and the

[1:03:34] pavilions. People go there,

[1:03:36] they have parties. What happens

[1:03:38] at parties? The people drink.

[1:03:40] Some drinkers tend

[1:03:41] to smoke when they drink, and

[1:03:44] now you're limiting that

[1:03:45] effect. And so,

[1:03:48] you're interfering

[1:03:51] with personal rights. And we

[1:03:52] have. I think that we have

[1:03:54] to give them an opportunity to

[1:03:56] exercise their personal rights

[1:03:57] to kill themselves willingly

[1:03:59] and knowingly by smoking. It's

[1:04:02] not my problem that they want

[1:04:04] to smoke,

[1:04:06] but that's their choice. And

[1:04:07] they can decide

[1:04:10] to go do it away

[1:04:12] from us downwind.

[1:04:13] >> Without jumping to the next

[1:04:15] topic. I think it's different,

[1:04:18] though, because, yes,

[1:04:20] you can extrapolate

[1:04:21] from bad decisions made

[1:04:22] after drinking and so forth,

[1:04:23] but the actual act of drinking

[1:04:24] has no externalities. No,

[1:04:25] smoking does have externalities

[1:04:26] like it does. I mean,

[1:04:28] if you have people smoking

[1:04:29] at one of those pavilions and

[1:04:30] you have a bunch

[1:04:32] of kids playing

[1:04:33] at the playground, Granted,

[1:04:34] prevailing winds are usually

[1:04:36] out of the east, but

[1:04:37] at the next pavilion over, you

[1:04:38] got multiple pavilions there.

[1:04:41] So, you've got a big group

[1:04:42] of people, a bunch

[1:04:45] of people who are smoking.

[1:04:46] There is a health effect,

[1:04:47] certainly an enjoyment

[1:04:48] of the public facilities effect

[1:04:49] on these people based upon the

[1:04:50] choices here.

[1:04:51] >> Okay, But a smoking pit,

[1:04:52] seriously, it's away

[1:04:53] from most facilities. Right.

[1:04:56] So, it's a designated area.

[1:04:57] They can walk

[1:04:59] from their pavilion 100 yards

[1:05:00] down the way. It's blocked off.

[1:05:02] It's another little gazebo,

[1:05:05] say, and they can smoke there

[1:05:06] and then come back and do

[1:05:07] whatever.

[1:05:09] >> That's what I would envision

[1:05:10] as a restricted area,

[1:05:12] is a smaller area away from

[1:05:13] other people that they would

[1:05:15] walk to smoke.

[1:05:17] >> Come back as a carve

[1:05:18] out specifically at Pelican,

[1:05:19] because we have the rented

[1:05:20] pavilions and stuff there.

[1:05:23] >> Personally, it works

[1:05:24] anywhere and.

[1:05:26] But I would not want it to be

[1:05:28] at like Cinnamon Park. A little

[1:05:30] too small for that, but

[1:05:32] Hightower park,

[1:05:33] maybe you could fit it

[1:05:36] in because again, that would

[1:05:37] address the crossover issue

[1:05:38] that has been brought up and

[1:05:40] maybe the parking lot issue,

[1:05:42] even. I don't know where you

[1:05:49] put it.

[1:05:52] >> Yeah. And I mean,

[1:05:53] you've got the sports field,

[1:05:54] the other large facility, you

[1:05:55] know, of children designed for.

[1:05:56] I mean, adults play sport there

[1:05:57] too.

[1:06:06] >> Let's just say we outlawed

[1:06:08] it. We just said no. No city

[1:06:10] property, no beaches. Just a

[1:06:11] what if. How much of the beach

[1:06:13] do we actually can enforce?

[1:06:19] High water mark, low water. I

[1:06:20] mean, there's. Is there some

[1:06:21] weirdness on the beach? It's

[1:06:22] that says you really can't

[1:06:23] enforce our rules,

[1:06:25] our municipality rules

[1:06:29] on the beach. I'm kind

[1:06:30] of looking at Brittany,

[1:06:31] but I'm kind of staring back

[1:06:32] over to the chief

[1:06:33] over there. I mean,

[1:06:34] are we just talking

[1:06:35] in circles here? Because

[1:06:36] there's nothing we can do

[1:06:37] about it anyway? Or as the

[1:06:39] beach goes, okay, standing

[1:06:41] with the dogs. I mean, you

[1:06:42] know, like not to bring up an

[1:06:44] old favorite.

[1:06:53] >> True. Any other thoughts?

[1:06:56] Concerns?

[1:06:58] >> Are we trying to craft an

[1:06:59] ordinance? Is that what you're

[1:07:00] trying to.

[1:07:01] >> It's obviously completely up

[1:07:02] to all of you if you. I mean,

[1:07:04] we brought the ordinance. We

[1:07:05] needed

[1:07:07] to do some additional research.

[1:07:09] That's what this is. So, I just

[1:07:10] need either some direction

[1:07:11] either to bring you back what

[1:07:12] we provided the last meeting

[1:07:14] with some possible edits

[1:07:15] to it and. Or nothing at all.

[1:07:17] Like, that's completely up to

[1:07:18] you.

[1:07:21] >> I personally think we have a

[1:07:23] problem, and we have a problem,

[1:07:25] particularly on access points

[1:07:28] on the beach. We have that

[1:07:30] problem today. So, we need

[1:07:33] to craft something

[1:07:35] to remedy that,

[1:07:37] to mitigate that problem,

[1:07:39] at least in that area. Now,

[1:07:42] good judgment says we're not

[1:07:44] going to be smoking on

[1:07:46] bleachers when I'm watching a

[1:07:47] game. That's good judgment. But

[1:07:49] not everybody practices the

[1:07:50] good judgment. So, do we extend

[1:07:51] our concern

[1:07:55] to athletic fields? Well, it

[1:07:56] seems like we should. So, do we

[1:07:58] increase that area? And then

[1:07:59] how much do we keep increasing?

[1:08:01] I'm not personally for smoke

[1:08:05] pits because I don't want the

[1:08:06] city to have the burden

[1:08:09] to create a smoke pit and

[1:08:10] to clean a smoke pit. Just

[1:08:12] words.

[1:08:13] >> We already clean it anyway.

[1:08:14] >> Well, we're cleaning

[1:08:15] everything right now anyway,

[1:08:18] but I'm just trying to relieve

[1:08:20] the burden and put the

[1:08:21] responsibility back where it

[1:08:23] belongs. If you Want to come

[1:08:25] to the beach in Satellite

[1:08:27] beach, you can't smoke. That is

[1:08:31] one way to look at it.

[1:08:32] >> Or the ball fields. I mean

[1:08:34] that's.

[1:08:35] >> I think it needs to be the.

[1:08:36] >> Parks that might be. It's

[1:08:37] got the parks and the ball

[1:08:38] fields need

[1:08:39] to be included as well.

[1:08:40] >> So, should we carve

[1:08:41] out where exceptions are? And

[1:08:45] then even parking lots to me is

[1:08:46] not a good exception because

[1:08:48] we're going

[1:08:49] to have cigarette butts

[1:08:50] in parking lots now. So, I

[1:08:51] don't know if there's any real

[1:08:52] exception that we can have.

[1:08:56] >> After all this and after

[1:08:58] reading the initial ordinance

[1:09:02] that we brought, I don't know

[1:09:05] that anything we've stuck here

[1:09:08] changes my mind on what we

[1:09:10] already had the first time. I

[1:09:14] mean, I think going as you said

[1:09:15] and as some of the citizens

[1:09:18] have sent us their thoughts,

[1:09:20] their comments, their pictures,

[1:09:23] their experiences on there. I

[1:09:27] think I've personally. It's

[1:09:28] given me more enforcement on. I

[1:09:29] agree with what we had the

[1:09:31] first time around. Now that

[1:09:36] we've had more data brought

[1:09:37] to us, so to speak. Right.

[1:09:45] More information is brought

[1:09:46] more what other cities are

[1:09:47] doing,

[1:09:48] what the rule is. I just again,

[1:09:49] personally I don't. I don't

[1:09:50] think I've uncovered anything

[1:09:51] that swaying my decision

[1:09:52] from what was brought

[1:09:53] to us the first time. That's

[1:09:55] just my thoughts personally

[1:09:57] on it.

[1:10:00] >> The same like I said. And I

[1:10:01] can intellectually, I do

[1:10:04] intellectually appreciate

[1:10:06] council member Sams point,

[1:10:07] but I just. Like I said,

[1:10:09] I'm worried about the. As a

[1:10:11] practical matter, the exception

[1:10:12] swallowing the rule and it

[1:10:14] creating more of an enforcement

[1:10:17] headache if we try

[1:10:19] to do carve outs. So, while

[1:10:22] appreciating that

[1:10:23] intellectually,

[1:10:24] I'm practically at the same

[1:10:25] place as the mayor.

[1:10:30] >> Which is the same place I

[1:10:31] was before Mike. Do you happen

[1:10:32] to have a copy

[1:10:33] of the ordinance from last

[1:10:34] time?

[1:10:35] >> I don't. I didn't know.

[1:10:36] Those extra papers you were

[1:10:37] holding.

[1:10:38] >> Yeah, no, those are all

[1:10:39] emails.

[1:10:40] >> Okay. Did it just say parks

[1:10:42] and beaches?

[1:10:44] >> No, I think it said all city

[1:10:45] property.

[1:10:49] >> All city property.

[1:10:52] >> I have it up. I can read it

[1:10:53] to you.

[1:10:54] >> It said smoking and vaping

[1:10:55] at city.

[1:10:56] >> Parks and on public beaches

[1:10:57] prohibited.

[1:10:58] >> That was the title.

[1:10:59] >> And it just said it shall

[1:11:00] be.

[1:11:01] >> Unlawful for any person

[1:11:02] to smoke within.

[1:11:03] >> The boundaries

[1:11:04] of any public park or.

[1:11:05] >> At any public beach located

[1:11:06] within the city.

[1:11:07] >> This prohibition includes

[1:11:08] use of any vapor generating

[1:11:09] devices as that term is defined

[1:11:10] by Florida law.

[1:11:12] >> Then it said the city

[1:11:13] manager or.

[1:11:14] >> Designee shall conspicuously

[1:11:15] post or cause to.

[1:11:17] >> Be posted signs setting

[1:11:19] forth the

[1:11:21] above prohibitions and the

[1:11:22] Final section,

[1:11:23] with the only exception to the

[1:11:24] above prohibition is.

[1:11:27] >> Unfiltered cigars whose

[1:11:31] regulation remains preempted

[1:11:32] as.

[1:11:33] >> Set forth in Florida

[1:11:34] statutes with my Editor's Eye

[1:11:35] today. You're missing an L on,

[1:11:36] on the, on the initial

[1:11:37] introduction there.

[1:11:39] >> If we bring it back.

[1:11:42] >> See what I'm talking about?

[1:11:43] >> So, parks would include

[1:11:46] sports fields.

[1:11:47] >> Yes.

[1:11:49] >> And the area out here.

[1:11:50] Right. I mean

[1:11:52] like the garden would be, you

[1:11:53] know, like this,

[1:11:54] like the.

[1:11:58] >> I mean, I think that if, if

[1:12:00] we, if we're going

[1:12:02] to say city parks and beaches,

[1:12:04] if you were to decide this

[1:12:05] truly is a city park, then

[1:12:07] those signs would just go

[1:12:09] there. So, I think that's

[1:12:10] something that you guys could

[1:12:12] help determine.

[1:12:13] which

[1:12:14] where would you

[1:12:15] like all those signs to go?

[1:12:16] And what we would consider

[1:12:18] parks in the community.

[1:12:23] >> But the intent is parks,

[1:12:24] ball fields, beaches.

[1:12:25] >> Correct.

[1:12:26] >> I'm good with it.

[1:12:28] >> I'm okay with that.

[1:12:33] >> What we can do is when we

[1:12:34] bring it back, we can go. We

[1:12:35] can provide a list of where we

[1:12:37] think would be the best places

[1:12:38] and then if we need

[1:12:39] to add or subtract

[1:12:40] from that list,

[1:12:41] we can do so.

[1:12:43] >> And I would just say

[1:12:44] in terms of enforcement,

[1:12:46] we kind

[1:12:47] of are a city that always

[1:12:48] begins with educating, which I

[1:12:51] think just getting the word out

[1:12:53] would be most important. I do

[1:12:55] think that I kind of like

[1:12:58] Indian harbor beaches. If we're

[1:13:00] going, if we're going

[1:13:02] to go a citation route,

[1:13:05] I prefer their citations to the

[1:13:07] others.

[1:13:11] >> I mean a policy of a warning

[1:13:13] as an initial map.

[1:13:14] >> I mean, just

[1:13:15] to answer one issue

[1:13:19] about the enforcement, the way

[1:13:22] that our code is set up is that

[1:13:27] a person can be cited

[1:13:28] for a violation

[1:13:29] of the code just by the general

[1:13:33] penalty provisions that are

[1:13:34] in the code, which provides

[1:13:36] for up to $500 fine or six

[1:13:38] months in county jail, which

[1:13:41] obviously that's not what you

[1:13:42] want to do, so.

[1:13:43] But you also have the ability

[1:13:45] to say that it would be a

[1:13:47] non-criminal offense and say

[1:13:48] that this is what the charge is

[1:13:49] going to be. Similar to. I

[1:13:50] guess it was harbor that had

[1:13:52] the right three levels

[1:13:56] of fines. So that would. I'm

[1:13:58] guessing that Brittany would

[1:13:59] like some direction

[1:14:01] on that too.

[1:14:03] >> I'd like to see us when we

[1:14:05] figure out where it's going

[1:14:07] to go is not overburden us

[1:14:08] with signs, you know, and if we

[1:14:11] have a problem distinguishing

[1:14:13] between a park and a playground

[1:14:16] or anything like that,

[1:14:17] then we need to simplify. City

[1:14:19] property, I mean, even

[1:14:20] out here in the breezeway,

[1:14:24] discourage that takes somebody

[1:14:26] that would be irresponsible,

[1:14:27] real irresponsible

[1:14:28] to do it right in front

[1:14:29] of the doorway.

[1:14:31] But it could happen.

[1:14:33] >> And does it happen?

[1:14:35] >> Not really. I mean it's a

[1:14:37] professional environment.

[1:14:40] >> Is that when we plan this

[1:14:41] thing out, let's try

[1:14:42] to plan it with.

[1:14:43] >> Much simplicity as we can

[1:14:44] and reduce.

[1:14:47] >> Any burden that we have.

[1:14:50] >> Putting signs out. I think I

[1:14:51] agree with you, Mark. I think

[1:14:52] isn't it. And Chief M. I'm sure

[1:14:53] tell you is just as a matter

[1:14:55] of community policing. You

[1:14:56] usually leave that up

[1:14:58] to an officer's dis discretion,

[1:15:00] whether he's going to give a

[1:15:02] warning the first time or a

[1:15:05] second time or he doesn't. I

[1:15:07] mean, I certainly understand if

[1:15:09] someone is smoking and he's

[1:15:12] sitting on the boardwalk and

[1:15:14] then he flicks the cigarette at

[1:15:17] the officer. I don't think

[1:15:18] that's a time for a warning

[1:15:20] at that point. I think that's.

[1:15:21] We've got way past that.

[1:15:23] However, on the other side,

[1:15:24] if you just have some out there

[1:15:26] who's just doing it who may not

[1:15:27] know that that's the rule, I

[1:15:29] would believe the discretion

[1:15:33] would be education first.

[1:15:35] Hey, you can't do that. Hey,

[1:15:37] there's a sign over there. It

[1:15:39] says you, you can't do that.

[1:15:42] Please put that out. And that's

[1:15:43] that. Similar

[1:15:44] to the way they would do a lot

[1:15:45] of other things. I mean,

[1:15:46] I think you, you used your

[1:15:48] discretion whether it's really,

[1:15:49] really warranted or not,

[1:15:51] depending on the situation.

[1:15:54] That's why I just say. I don't

[1:15:55] think you want to say that the

[1:15:57] first time will always be a

[1:15:58] warning. However, we want

[1:16:00] to go with what we currently

[1:16:01] do. I think with our current

[1:16:03] community policing is we try

[1:16:04] to educate first if we can. If

[1:16:07] it warrants something more than

[1:16:09] that, then we take the

[1:16:10] appropriate action as we do

[1:16:11] anything else. And let's not

[1:16:13] change what we do. Just stick

[1:16:15] as we do and let them, let them

[1:16:17] do their job the way they do

[1:16:18] their job.

[1:16:21] >> Trust the sound discretion

[1:16:22] of the officers.

[1:16:23] >> Yes, I agree. And then again

[1:16:24] then you could have the tiered

[1:16:28] approach to that. You know,

[1:16:31] if you're actually going

[1:16:33] to cite somebody, the first

[1:16:34] citation would be or do like

[1:16:37] Harbor. You know,

[1:16:38] the first citation is $50.

[1:16:39] Second time could be $100. If a

[1:16:41] third and

[1:16:43] on forever ever comes up,

[1:16:47] then it's 250 every time

[1:16:48] after that. I mean,

[1:16:51] I don't really have a problem

[1:16:53] with that approach. I mean it's

[1:16:54] probably a little bit lighter

[1:16:58] than if you look at Melbourne

[1:17:01] beach or in the Atlantic. It

[1:17:03] was, you know, 100 the first go

[1:17:04] around. I mean, I'm okay

[1:17:07] with that. Too. I think that's

[1:17:10] a reasonable approach

[1:17:11] to it. I'll open up for.

[1:17:16] Since we're trying

[1:17:20] to make some decisions here,

[1:17:21] please.

[1:17:28] >> You know, it's pretty easy

[1:17:29] to count the votes. This is

[1:17:30] going to go forward. If it goes

[1:17:32] forward. And as you're crafting

[1:17:35] the language, could you please

[1:17:37] include something that would

[1:17:38] prohibit the use

[1:17:42] of marijuana? And I don't know

[1:17:44] if it has

[1:17:45] to be specifically stated,

[1:17:48] the smoking of marijuana,

[1:17:50] whether it's. Eventually it's

[1:17:51] going to pass and it's going to

[1:17:53] become something that you will

[1:17:54] have to face. So, if you could

[1:17:57] put that into this ordinance

[1:17:58] that you're crafting,

[1:18:01] I would really appreciate that.

[1:18:02] Thank you.

[1:18:04] >> Good point, sir. Thank you

[1:18:05] for bringing that

[1:18:08] to our attention. I mean, I

[1:18:10] know we say smoking and vaping.

[1:18:12] Is that. Do you have

[1:18:13] to define that somewhere? How

[1:18:15] that gets put

[1:18:17] out there? I'll have to take a

[1:18:19] look again. I think it would be

[1:18:20] better because vaping started

[1:18:21] as marijuana use anyway.

[1:18:23] Right. So, we probably want

[1:18:24] to include that. So just. Just

[1:18:32] looking at what you have

[1:18:33] in there for issues

[1:18:34] for consideration, do you. Do

[1:18:37] you see. Is there anything

[1:18:38] on their else that we need

[1:18:39] to talk about or. That wasn't

[1:18:40] included in the original?

[1:18:41] >> I think I just need the

[1:18:42] consensus that you want me

[1:18:43] to put the citations like

[1:18:44] Indian Harbors is that.

[1:18:46] >> I'm okay with that,

[1:18:47] with the direction.

[1:18:50] >> I'm good with that.

[1:18:52] >> Okay.

[1:18:55] >> All right, then we will. We

[1:18:57] will draft it and bring it

[1:18:59] to the next. The next council

[1:19:00] meeting.

[1:19:01] >> I'm good with that.

[1:19:05] >> Everybody, there's just

[1:19:06] to bring up a kind of go

[1:19:07] on the point that was just made

[1:19:09] with marijuana. A medical

[1:19:12] marijuana user would still fall

[1:19:15] into this category. Yeah, you

[1:19:17] can use it at home. Just don't

[1:19:19] bring it to the beach. Right.

[1:19:21] So, I'm kind of looking at Jim

[1:19:22] to see does that have

[1:19:24] to be specific in the ordinance

[1:19:25] or is that understood?

[1:19:27] >> I have to look.

[1:19:28] >> Okay, okay.

[1:19:29] >> You just outlawed it, so.

[1:19:31] No, he's covered. He's not

[1:19:32] covered. He has to do it

[1:19:33] at home just

[1:19:34] like the smokers. Yeah.

[1:19:40] >> It sounds like it's already

[1:19:42] in the law. So, you're not

[1:19:43] allowed to smoke it

[1:19:44] in five public.

[1:19:45] >> So that would be

[1:19:46] unnecessary.

[1:19:47] >> Even if someone carries a

[1:19:48] medical marijuana card. Card.

[1:19:50] >> Okay.

[1:19:52] >> They. They can stand there

[1:19:53] with a medical.

[1:19:54] >> Marijuana card and keep

[1:19:56] comings all day.

[1:20:01] >> Long and there's nothing

[1:20:03] anything like you.

[1:20:04] >> About it, but you,

[1:20:06] you fire that.

[1:20:09] >> Up and you got

[1:20:10] to come.

[1:20:11] >> Okay.

[1:20:12] >> So, you have enough info on

[1:20:13] that? I think a good consensus

[1:20:14] on everything. Okay. All right,

[1:20:15] moving on to agenda item 12.

[1:20:16] Discuss, take action on

[1:20:17] regulating alcohol consumption

[1:20:18] on city property.

[1:20:19] >> Thank you, Mayor. So, this

[1:20:21] one is because it was asked

[1:20:23] about to bring forth. So, it's

[1:20:25] the same, the same thing. We

[1:20:27] brought some staff,

[1:20:28] has put together some

[1:20:29] of the things that are going

[1:20:30] on around some

[1:20:31] of the other communities.

[1:20:32] But just wanted

[1:20:33] to make sure that you were

[1:20:34] aware of what's currently

[1:20:35] in our language. The current

[1:20:36] ordinance prohibits alcohol

[1:20:37] consumption

[1:20:39] on any city owned streets,

[1:20:40] sidewalks or properties except

[1:20:42] under permit at specific

[1:20:43] facilities that include the

[1:20:44] Civic center, the DRS

[1:20:46] Community Center, Sampson's

[1:20:47] Island, Pelican beach park and

[1:20:48] Pelican Beach Clubhouse. So

[1:20:49] again, there is data here

[1:20:52] from the surrounding

[1:20:54] communities in Brevard county,

[1:20:55] including Brevard County. And

[1:20:56] then some issues

[1:20:58] for key issues

[1:20:59] for some consideration

[1:21:00] to discuss some

[1:21:02] of the special events, parks

[1:21:04] and beaches and then how you

[1:21:05] might want to see those,

[1:21:06] if you were to include those,

[1:21:07] how you would like

[1:21:09] to see those addressed and

[1:21:14] for future things.

[1:21:16] >> So just looking

[1:21:17] at this as a whole, does

[1:21:18] everybody see what I see that.

[1:21:19] I guess the first thing that

[1:21:21] jumped out

[1:21:24] to me is other than Cocoa

[1:21:25] beach, everybody has it. Not

[1:21:26] allowed in general.

[1:21:28] >> I like Melbourne beach once

[1:21:29] again here, if I'm reading this

[1:21:30] correctly.

[1:21:31] >> Okay. Yeah. Not restricted

[1:21:33] by anything.

[1:21:36] >> Except for parks.

[1:21:37] >> Except for parks.

[1:21:39] >> There is a reason

[1:21:42] for why we don't want

[1:21:45] to openly advertise a can

[1:21:49] of beer walking

[1:21:50] down the street. And I was kind

[1:21:52] of wondering if. Chief, is

[1:21:57] there bad things? I mean,

[1:22:00] knowing who we are as a city.

[1:22:03] Sorry to put you on the spot,

[1:22:04] but knowing who we are as a

[1:22:16] city and we are, at least

[1:22:17] in my area, we're becoming very

[1:22:18] kid friendly because we have a

[1:22:19] lot of new families moving in

[1:22:20] with little kids and we are

[1:22:21] representing them, recognizing.

[1:22:22] I see my neighbors walking

[1:22:23] around and they're walking

[1:22:24] around with cans of beer

[1:22:26] on them or whatever. It has a

[1:22:27] different meaning

[1:22:29] to kids and then it also may

[1:22:32] have a different meaning

[1:22:33] to law enforcement. So really

[1:22:34] the question is,

[1:22:35] to law enforcement. What's the

[1:22:38] biggest plus for the city not

[1:22:39] allowing alcohol consumption

[1:22:40] on a street compared

[1:22:42] to allowing it.

[1:22:46] >> The direct answer to that

[1:22:48] question would be just what we

[1:22:49] talked about earlier. It would

[1:22:51] just give us another tool

[1:22:52] to be able

[1:22:53] to address a situation that,

[1:22:55] where people are engaging

[1:22:57] in behavior that's not good,

[1:22:58] but hasn't risen to any

[1:23:00] criminal level or any level

[1:23:02] that we could do anything

[1:23:04] about,

[1:23:05] but we know it's going to.

[1:23:06] That would just give us the

[1:23:08] ability to say, listen, you,

[1:23:10] you got a beer. You're not

[1:23:12] allowed to have that. It's

[1:23:13] against the law. So why don't

[1:23:15] you Just head home. It's really

[1:23:16] the same situation as it's not

[1:23:18] allowed on the beach. And if we

[1:23:20] have a situation

[1:23:21] on the beach,

[1:23:22] which we don't very often,

[1:23:24] but every once

[1:23:26] in a blue moon, you get two

[1:23:27] people fishing and they get

[1:23:28] into an argument. If they've

[1:23:30] both been drinking and they got

[1:23:31] stuff with them,

[1:23:32] we can just use that to say,

[1:23:33] listen, you guys got stuff

[1:23:34] you're not supposed to ask.

[1:23:35] You probably want to just pack

[1:23:36] them up and find a ride home.

[1:23:38] That that's a tool that we

[1:23:39] would have to use

[1:23:40] in that situation.

[1:23:45] >> So, not that I went behind

[1:23:47] the chief's back or anything,

[1:23:49] but I did speak to an officer

[1:23:54] and he basically echoed what

[1:23:56] you said, and he gave me an

[1:23:57] example where they had a bunch

[1:24:00] of people at the skate park and

[1:24:01] they were there and they were

[1:24:04] drinking beer. And it got

[1:24:07] to the point where he was able

[1:24:08] to say, hey,

[1:24:11] you can't do that here. Why

[1:24:13] don't you pack it up and leave

[1:24:14] as just saying you're not

[1:24:16] out there trying to run

[1:24:19] around and find people drinking

[1:24:20] on the beach or anywhere else.

[1:24:22] However, you can use it if the

[1:24:25] situation arises, as you said,

[1:24:28] as a tool

[1:24:30] to curb a situation or

[1:24:32] behavior.

[1:24:35] But we're not paying folks

[1:24:36] to go out there to run up and

[1:24:37] down the beach looking

[1:24:39] at everybody's cooler

[1:24:40] to see what's going on

[1:24:43] out there. And I would tend to

[1:24:44] agree. I think we've had

[1:24:45] discussion I don't know how

[1:24:46] many times. Whether it's code

[1:24:48] enforcement or everything else

[1:24:49] that we talk about in the city

[1:24:51] of Satellite Beach. We always

[1:24:52] just try to say is unless

[1:24:54] someone points it out

[1:24:56] to be a problem,

[1:24:57] unless it becomes an issue,

[1:24:59] then we address the issue. If

[1:25:02] it's not a problem, then

[1:25:04] everybody just leaves it alone.

[1:25:06] And then we just address it

[1:25:09] that way. Like I said,

[1:25:10] I think we kind of do that

[1:25:11] with most things

[1:25:13] around here. I don't much to, I

[1:25:15] would say some citizens

[1:25:17] chagrin. I don't see cops

[1:25:19] for flying down the street

[1:25:20] in the car

[1:25:21] with their lights on,

[1:25:22] chasing kids

[1:25:23] with no helmets on, although I

[1:25:24] see them every day. I saw them

[1:25:26] today on my way home

[1:25:28] from work. Kids that I know

[1:25:30] that are not 16 years old and

[1:25:32] they're riding around

[1:25:33] with no helmets on.

[1:25:38] But again, I'm short

[1:25:40] of they ride right by them.

[1:25:41] That might be a different

[1:25:42] story, but I don't look

[1:25:43] for us as a community to run

[1:25:46] around trying

[1:25:47] to find stuff. I think all

[1:25:49] of our people have better

[1:25:50] things to do than to do that,

[1:25:52] but you should have that option

[1:25:54] or that available to you.

[1:25:57] Should you need it

[1:25:59] to do that? Which, again,

[1:26:00] I would just say, historically,

[1:26:02] as a city, we've done that

[1:26:04] in a lot of ways.

[1:26:05] Like I said, we've done a lot

[1:26:06] of code enforcement that way.

[1:26:08] We're just kind of talking

[1:26:09] about that

[1:26:11] with the smoking thing. You

[1:26:14] know, the idea is if it's a

[1:26:15] problem,

[1:26:16] we address the problem. It's

[1:26:18] not a problem. I mean, I would

[1:26:20] like to. I would say the same

[1:26:23] thing about dogs on a beach,

[1:26:25] much to a lot

[1:26:27] of citizens chagrin, which.

[1:26:28] That probably. You probably get

[1:26:29] a lot more calls on that than

[1:26:32] you would want.

[1:26:33] >> I twitch just when you say

[1:26:34] dogs on the beach.

[1:26:36] >> Good night.

[1:26:37] >> Designated hours. I stand

[1:26:38] by my

[1:26:39] >> There's a solution.

[1:26:41] >> I agree, yes. Designated

[1:26:42] hours.

[1:26:44] >> It just kills me.

[1:26:45] >> But, you know,

[1:26:47] on the same hand is, you know,

[1:26:49] I would say there's no bad

[1:26:50] pets,

[1:26:51] there's just bad pet owners.

[1:26:52] So, if people would behave

[1:26:54] appropriately and not cause a

[1:26:56] problem, you may not have a

[1:26:57] problem. And I think when we

[1:26:59] talk about. When we talk

[1:27:01] about parking

[1:27:02] on the beach and that some of

[1:27:04] the things that were brought up

[1:27:05] by the committees and what they

[1:27:07] brought to us was the behavior

[1:27:08] that was going on

[1:27:10] at the beach,

[1:27:13] people burying diapers

[1:27:14] in the sand and all those type

[1:27:16] of things that was going on.

[1:27:17] That was the problem. That was

[1:27:18] the problem at hand,

[1:27:20] that we had to come up

[1:27:21] with a solution to address that

[1:27:22] problem.

[1:27:25] >> I appreciate the practical

[1:27:26] point in the. That you're

[1:27:27] making, but I guess I kind

[1:27:29] of come back

[1:27:31] to the philosophical point that

[1:27:33] Councilman Sams made,

[1:27:36] is that if. If an adult is

[1:27:38] consuming alcohol responsibly

[1:27:40] in an aluminum, not glass,

[1:27:41] because there's an externality

[1:27:43] there, you know, like, you

[1:27:44] know,

[1:27:45] that's really an exercise

[1:27:50] of their individual liberty,

[1:27:51] in my view. That being said,

[1:27:53] said we don't want our city

[1:27:54] to be a, you know, target

[1:27:57] for flash mobs

[1:27:58] of irresponsible people. But I

[1:28:00] don't know the. I was a

[1:28:01] prosecutor in Georgia, so I

[1:28:02] know their criminal code a lot

[1:28:03] better than I know ours.

[1:28:04] Hardly here at all.

[1:28:05] But it's like, there's.

[1:28:06] Disorderly conduct is a crime

[1:28:07] up there. It's not just that

[1:28:09] you're intoxicated. You have

[1:28:10] to show boisterousness, I

[1:28:12] think, is like, what's

[1:28:14] in the code. So, if you were

[1:28:16] being disorderly,

[1:28:17] I'm sure there's somewhere

[1:28:18] in the floor of code that would

[1:28:19] cover public intoxication or

[1:28:20] disorderly conduct or something

[1:28:21] of that nature. If your

[1:28:22] intoxication is causing you to.

[1:28:23] You know,

[1:28:25] I get that this allows room

[1:28:29] for discretion

[1:28:31] below that level. And that

[1:28:33] point is well taken. So, I

[1:28:35] just, I can't. The reason it

[1:28:39] came to me is I was reading the

[1:28:40] statute. You know, it's

[1:28:42] like I can't think

[1:28:44] of a good argument as to why a

[1:28:46] responsible adult should not be

[1:28:48] able to drink a beer

[1:28:52] in an aluminum, you know,

[1:28:53] container on one of our beaches

[1:28:55] or our sidewalks or park,

[1:28:57] for that matter.

[1:28:59] >> Well, because you're

[1:29:00] influencing the kids,

[1:29:01] remember?

[1:29:03] >> Yeah, that I, That's a. I

[1:29:06] mean, you could get

[1:29:07] to that straw man that goes,

[1:29:08] that goes into any. That goes

[1:29:09] into really, you know,

[1:29:11] public hygiene type, you know,

[1:29:12] arguments that I don't.

[1:29:16] >> So, I guess my question is.

[1:29:17] And, you know, I appreciate

[1:29:19] that, you know, you looked

[1:29:22] at the current ordinance, but

[1:29:24] I. So, I would go back and say

[1:29:26] this difference from. This

[1:29:27] differs from the smoking

[1:29:29] ordinance because we didn't

[1:29:31] have one. So, we're trying

[1:29:32] to solve that issue. So, we

[1:29:33] already have this ordinance.

[1:29:35] It's already, it's

[1:29:37] on the books. It's been this

[1:29:38] way I don't know how many

[1:29:39] years. It's probably been

[1:29:41] on the books. But do you

[1:29:43] perceive this as it's a current

[1:29:45] problem or is it a current

[1:29:46] issue? Do you see that as Do

[1:29:47] you know, has it gone

[1:29:50] around and infringed on anybody

[1:29:51] that you know of?

[1:29:55] >> No, no. It came

[1:29:57] to me because I think we're,

[1:29:59] the smoking ban, if you will,

[1:30:02] was an amendment

[1:30:03] to this same code section.

[1:30:04] >> Yes.

[1:30:06] >> And it occurred to me that

[1:30:08] in and of itself, the conduct

[1:30:09] that's being prohibited there,

[1:30:11] as outlined by me, you know,

[1:30:12] someone who's of age

[1:30:14] with an aluminum container,

[1:30:15] who's not. Other otherwise,

[1:30:17] you know, who's not intoxicated

[1:30:19] otherwise doing anything wrong.

[1:30:21] I don't know that that should

[1:30:23] be prohibited in our city. I

[1:30:25] get the implication that that

[1:30:27] person is not going

[1:30:28] to necessarily be chosen

[1:30:30] to have a. Have a problem

[1:30:31] with that. Doesn't. I guess I

[1:30:35] still theoretical things don't

[1:30:36] still matter to me. So that's.

[1:30:38] Why I brought it up.

[1:30:42] >> May I make a comment?

[1:30:44] >> Absolutely. Okay.

[1:30:45] >> I don't see any reason

[1:30:46] to change what we have

[1:30:48] at this point, except I want

[1:30:49] to ask Chief a question.

[1:30:50] Currently, our enforcement or

[1:30:52] penalties are not specified.

[1:30:54] Are you still good with that?

[1:30:55] Do you feel

[1:30:57] like that part should change

[1:30:58] at all? Are you good how it's

[1:30:59] written?

[1:31:06] >> Honestly, if you're asking

[1:31:07] me that question,

[1:31:08] then I would say if we're going

[1:31:09] to address it and you want to,

[1:31:10] it would be easier

[1:31:11] in that particular section

[1:31:13] to be able

[1:31:15] to write a citation, because

[1:31:16] right now as our city attorney

[1:31:19] pointed out, every. Every

[1:31:22] violation of our city ordinance

[1:31:23] that doesn't have a particular

[1:31:25] penalty attached to it as a

[1:31:27] secondary misdemeanor. So, we

[1:31:28] go from its either. It's like

[1:31:29] 0 to 100 and so

[1:31:31] to have something in the middle

[1:31:33] would be nice only because

[1:31:35] you're talking about it and

[1:31:36] because you asked me the

[1:31:37] question, is it,

[1:31:38] is it anywhere a big enough

[1:31:40] deal for me to ever come

[1:31:41] to the boss and say, hey, boss,

[1:31:42] I'd like to bring this up

[1:31:43] to the city council that we

[1:31:44] need

[1:31:45] to add a penalty or citations

[1:31:46] for this not even close. So,

[1:31:47] you could make it like a, like

[1:31:49] a civil city code violation

[1:31:51] type thing. Yeah, that's what

[1:31:52] we were just talking. About

[1:31:54] in the last one. So, if there's

[1:31:55] a violation of the code. The

[1:31:59] police department is able

[1:32:00] to write ticket, whatever the,

[1:32:05] whatever that, whatever.

[1:32:07] >> The paperwork is, that they

[1:32:08] will be filing it legally as a

[1:32:10] second-degree misdemeanor

[1:32:11] for a violation of the local

[1:32:12] government code.

[1:32:14] >> But what the chief is

[1:32:15] suggesting is that we could

[1:32:17] potentially provide a middle

[1:32:19] way.

[1:32:21] >> Yeah, just like you were

[1:32:22] talking about

[1:32:23] with the last ordinance. You

[1:32:24] can make it a non-civil

[1:32:26] infraction. I mean. Yeah, a

[1:32:27] non-criminal infraction and

[1:32:28] establish fines

[1:32:29] for it.

[1:32:31] >> I mean, if we're not going

[1:32:32] to have a consensus

[1:32:34] to really, you know,

[1:32:36] that would be a,

[1:32:39] that would be a middle. That

[1:32:43] would be a middle way that I

[1:32:44] think there might be more

[1:32:45] consensus for. I mean,

[1:32:47] it sounds consistent

[1:32:48] with what we've talked

[1:32:49] about here. You know, I don't

[1:32:50] know, but like,

[1:32:53] that's--

[1:32:56] >> I'm not in agreement

[1:32:58] with allowing it

[1:32:59] on the beaches or parks,

[1:33:01] so I wouldn't necessarily want

[1:33:02] to change the ordinance,

[1:33:03] except I was curious

[1:33:04] about that. The amounts we were

[1:33:05] talking about for smoking,

[1:33:07] fifty hundred for those,

[1:33:08] keeping them consistent

[1:33:10] with the two. Or do you have

[1:33:12] thoughts on that?

[1:33:14] >> Yes, ma' am. If you all

[1:33:16] chose, because you're here and

[1:33:19] you're looking at it, it's

[1:33:20] in front of you and you would

[1:33:21] ask me the question. If you

[1:33:22] choose to say, hey,

[1:33:24] let's lessen this from an

[1:33:25] actual secondary misdemeanor

[1:33:28] to just civil citation, then

[1:33:31] yes, the more consistent

[1:33:35] across the board you are,

[1:33:36] instead of having to go,

[1:33:38] everyone's different. It's kind

[1:33:39] of a, that's kind

[1:33:41] of a hassle. But, but that's.

[1:33:42] Again, I,

[1:33:43] I don't care one way or

[1:33:44] another. So, if I say anything

[1:33:45] that sounds

[1:33:46] like I'm trying to, I'm not. I

[1:33:48] really, I don't make laws. I

[1:33:49] enforce them. You do whatever

[1:33:50] you do Whatever you say,

[1:33:52] we'll take care of it. Not a

[1:33:53] problem. But just because we

[1:33:54] don't have that problem and

[1:33:56] haven't had that problem.

[1:33:58] That's why I've never come and

[1:33:59] asked you that.

[1:34:01] But because it was brought up,

[1:34:03] sure. That'd be kind of nice

[1:34:05] to be able to just say, listen,

[1:34:06] because right now,

[1:34:07] if there's a problem,

[1:34:09] it's either knock it

[1:34:11] off or you're going to get

[1:34:14] arrested or knock it off,

[1:34:15] you're going to get a ticket.

[1:34:16] It's always easier if we can

[1:34:17] just do that.

[1:34:19] But that's just. If you feel

[1:34:20] like you want

[1:34:21] to go there and get there,

[1:34:22] fine. If not, it's been

[1:34:24] like this for the 38 years I've

[1:34:25] been here,

[1:34:27] and it's not a problem.

[1:34:30] >> And what I was trying

[1:34:31] to say, perhaps, and artfully,

[1:34:32] is that there's not going

[1:34:33] to be a majority

[1:34:35] to move totally away from this.

[1:34:36] I would view that as an

[1:34:38] improvement because you don't

[1:34:39] have people who are becoming a

[1:34:41] criminal over behavior that I

[1:34:43] don't think is harmful.

[1:34:46] >> Okay.

[1:34:47] >> And, I mean, I'm okay

[1:34:48] with that,

[1:34:49] with what you just said,

[1:34:50] more or less. If the penalties

[1:34:51] were basically the same that we

[1:34:53] just said. I mean. Well, the

[1:34:55] only thing I would say is that

[1:34:57] we do need to add, you know,

[1:34:58] DeSoto, Cateno park and the

[1:34:59] sports park to our list

[1:35:01] of places where you need,

[1:35:05] what do you call.

[1:35:09] >> It, like a permit or a

[1:35:10] waiver?

[1:35:11] >> Permits. Right.

[1:35:13] >> So currently, right now,

[1:35:14] you cannot have alcohol

[1:35:15] at those parks, even if you did

[1:35:17] have a special event permit.

[1:35:19] >> So, I would say you have

[1:35:21] to add those, number one.

[1:35:22] But then I have a question.

[1:35:24] How about Sherwood Avenue on

[1:35:28] Halloween? Because nobody gets

[1:35:29] a permit and most

[1:35:31] of us are walking around

[1:35:32] with alcohol, especially

[1:35:34] after a certain point in the

[1:35:36] night where the little kids

[1:35:37] have gone.

[1:35:39] >> I was really hoping nobody

[1:35:40] was going to ask that question.

[1:35:41] >> I lived there.

[1:35:45] >> I was just really hoping you

[1:35:46] weren't asking that question.

[1:35:50] >> Absolutely. I'm going

[1:35:51] to answer that question.

[1:35:52] But I just. I was kind of

[1:35:53] raising my hand because I

[1:35:54] wanted to add that should you

[1:35:56] all choose to do that,

[1:35:59] I just wanted to confirm,

[1:36:00] because we were talking about

[1:36:01] other law violations that

[1:36:03] generally would be associated

[1:36:04] with that. And we have all

[1:36:06] of those. We have disorderly

[1:36:07] intoxication. We have all

[1:36:08] of that stuff

[1:36:09] to be covered if it ever rose

[1:36:11] to a level that a ticket wasn't

[1:36:13] good enough. So, we're covered.

[1:36:15] Whether you implement citations

[1:36:16] or not, we're covered. The

[1:36:17] answer to the question is

[1:36:21] pretty simple. It's blocked

[1:36:23] off. Traffic's not allowed

[1:36:26] to go through there. And as

[1:36:28] long as someone doesn't give us

[1:36:29] a reason to go look

[1:36:33] in their direction, then we

[1:36:34] just keep everybody

[1:36:36] coordinated. And we. Now, if

[1:36:38] they're walking

[1:36:39] down the street with a bottle

[1:36:40] of the bottle, then we.

[1:36:42] Because now we don't have a

[1:36:43] choice. Now you're standing

[1:36:44] in front

[1:36:45] of me committing a violation.

[1:36:46] So, I have to say you have

[1:36:47] to pour that

[1:36:48] out or get rid.

[1:36:49] >> Of it or whatever. Why is a

[1:36:51] bottle different than a can,

[1:36:52] though? Is there actually a law

[1:36:53] that says glass?

[1:36:54] >> No, no,

[1:36:55] sir. I just use that term.

[1:36:57] >> But, well,

[1:36:59] because it matters.

[1:37:00] >> Alcohol.

[1:37:02] >> No, it does.

[1:37:03] >> I agree. But I just meant

[1:37:04] for our purposes,

[1:37:05] if it's a can

[1:37:06] of beer or a bottle

[1:37:07] of vodka or whatever. It's

[1:37:08] just. If you. If it's. If it's

[1:37:09] in my face,

[1:37:10] I don't have a choice. I have

[1:37:11] to say, you have.

[1:37:13] >> You can't throw that out

[1:37:15] in public. But even a can that

[1:37:16] can be identified as a

[1:37:17] Budweiser can. Cause they're

[1:37:18] pretty evident we're

[1:37:19] against the law because we're

[1:37:20] in the street.

[1:37:21] >> That's correct. That's

[1:37:24] absolutely correct. If you are

[1:37:27] walking.

[1:37:28] >> Yeah, I'm not cool

[1:37:33] with that.

[1:37:34] >> That's kind of my concern.

[1:37:35] It's like, that's.

[1:37:36] >> So, you keep kicking

[1:37:37] over stones. We can be here

[1:37:38] all-night kicking

[1:37:39] over stones. Because all that

[1:37:40] stuff exists

[1:37:41] in the real world. We're using

[1:37:42] practical experience to try to

[1:37:43] assure that everybody walks

[1:37:44] home safe at the end

[1:37:45] of the day. What I like

[1:37:46] to make sure we don't do

[1:37:47] from our vantage point is,

[1:37:50] is we talked

[1:37:51] about instilling levels

[1:37:52] of fines for something that

[1:37:54] may be not needed there. What I

[1:37:56] heard is that we're using this

[1:38:00] ordinance. No alcohol,

[1:38:02] as a tool to regulate something

[1:38:07] that could expand the fisherman

[1:38:10] as the example or anybody

[1:38:12] walking on the street,

[1:38:14] when you go up

[1:38:16] to them and you say, hey,

[1:38:17] you better go home. You can't

[1:38:18] have this, or you dump it out.

[1:38:20] I would think everybody goes,

[1:38:22] oh, I'm sorry,

[1:38:23] it's gone. I'm going home.

[1:38:25] >> That works.

[1:38:28] well, only those that are

[1:38:30] throwing cans back at the

[1:38:31] officer is when you're going

[1:38:33] to escalate it

[1:38:35] for the most part. And that's

[1:38:36] when you want the civil

[1:38:37] (INAUDIBLE). I mean,

[1:38:38] you want.

[1:38:39] >> That'd be assault.

[1:38:40] >> Well, yeah,

[1:38:41] but I guess what I'm getting

[1:38:42] at is that's when you want

[1:38:43] to turn the heat up. So, I

[1:38:44] don't know if we need any

[1:38:45] median ground. I don't know if

[1:38:47] we need a 50, 100 and 250 fine.

[1:38:48] Unless the chief Comes back

[1:38:50] at a later time, says, hey, we

[1:38:51] start, we need this now because

[1:38:52] we got people that are

[1:38:53] in the middle grounds.

[1:38:57] >> Two things,

[1:38:59] if you don't mind. I just want

[1:39:00] to make it clear because I just

[1:39:01] don't want there to be any

[1:39:03] misconceptions. I'm not saying

[1:39:05] that we condone or that we

[1:39:08] allow intentionally anybody to

[1:39:10] violate our law or the law or

[1:39:12] our city ordinance on

[1:39:14] Sherwood Avenue on Halloween.

[1:39:16] All I'm saying is if you don't

[1:39:18] give me. If there's two people

[1:39:20] walking down the street and

[1:39:21] they each are holding a solo

[1:39:23] cup and their little kid in

[1:39:24] costume and they don't give me

[1:39:25] a reason to go, what's

[1:39:27] in your solo cup? Then I assume

[1:39:28] the assumption on our part is

[1:39:30] we have intelligent, well

[1:39:31] educated people here and they

[1:39:33] know what's right and what's

[1:39:34] not, and we assume that they're

[1:39:36] following the law unless they

[1:39:37] give us visual evidence

[1:39:39] to believe otherwise. So, I

[1:39:41] just didn't want you

[1:39:42] to think that.

[1:39:44] >> No, I didn't.

[1:39:45] >> You're good.

[1:39:46] >> Okay.

[1:39:47] >> Yeah.

[1:39:48] >> You're good.

[1:39:49] >> It's important to me

[1:39:50] for you to think. Well, wait a

[1:39:51] minute. So, you just choose

[1:39:52] to pick? No, we're not thinking

[1:39:53] of choosing. It's just if you

[1:39:55] don't give me a reason

[1:39:56] to look, then I'm not going

[1:39:57] to look.

[1:39:58] >> Can I ask, Jitter, are you

[1:39:59] good with going

[1:40:00] to a civil penalty us to a

[1:40:02] misdemeanor?

[1:40:03] >> I was asking kind

[1:40:04] of what your preference is

[1:40:05] on that. If you were good as

[1:40:06] the ordinance is written or

[1:40:08] at this time, if we are going

[1:40:09] to make any change, if that

[1:40:10] would be something that would

[1:40:12] be beneficial

[1:40:13] to you and your department.

[1:40:16] >> Again, we. We really. We

[1:40:17] don't have a problem, Knock

[1:40:18] on wood. So, I've never had

[1:40:20] to even ever worry about it.

[1:40:22] Only because we're talking

[1:40:24] about it. I'm sitting here and

[1:40:26] you ask me that, then the

[1:40:27] answer truly is certainly if

[1:40:28] there's another avenue rather

[1:40:31] than going from 0 to 100.

[1:40:33] Sure, that's fine. That's

[1:40:34] better. If it doesn't pass,

[1:40:36] is it going to ruin my night?

[1:40:38] No, because we just. We have

[1:40:40] just a good community who just

[1:40:44] does the right thing 90%

[1:40:45] of the time. Most

[1:40:46] of the problems we have, folks,

[1:40:47] are not even our people

[1:40:48] in our own city. It's people

[1:40:49] that come from other places.

[1:40:50] Our community's engaged,

[1:40:51] they're intelligent,

[1:40:52] and they do the right thing 98%

[1:40:53] of the time. So thankfully,

[1:40:54] I've never had

[1:40:56] to come ask the boss to say,

[1:40:57] can I come talk to the council

[1:40:58] to create some of These

[1:41:01] restrictions or penalties or

[1:41:02] whatever, because we just don't

[1:41:03] need them as of right now.

[1:41:06] >> But can you bring back model

[1:41:08] language? Would that change

[1:41:09] when we bring the smoking ban

[1:41:10] back?

[1:41:12] >> Yeah, we can bring back the

[1:41:14] ordinance for the alcohol

[1:41:15] to have that. The citation,

[1:41:17] added citation,

[1:41:18] and then educate consensus. If

[1:41:20] you want me to add in

[1:41:22] Frankatino park and the sports

[1:41:23] park to be able

[1:41:24] to have alcohol

[1:41:25] on special events.

[1:41:30] >> I would like that.

[1:41:31] And the only reason I say that

[1:41:32] is because we don't have the

[1:41:33] open space like we used

[1:41:35] to next to the rec center. So

[1:41:36] we are moving some things to

[1:41:37] DeSoto Field these days. I

[1:41:38] could see us having an event

[1:41:39] there

[1:41:40] for some reason or other,

[1:41:42] and we shouldn't.

[1:41:43] >> Like the chief's retirement

[1:41:45] party or something.

[1:41:47] >> There you go.

[1:41:48] >> No, but I'm serious. I think

[1:41:50] it's. Yeah, I agree.

[1:41:51] >> Yes, I agree. I mean,

[1:41:52] I guess. Yeah, I think that

[1:41:53] was. I think you brought those.

[1:41:54] Those points about. And I think

[1:41:55] you're right. We should include

[1:41:56] them. They should be included

[1:41:57] like the rest.

[1:41:58] >> Do you want it

[1:42:00] to just be all city facilities?

[1:42:11] As long as we have a special

[1:42:12] event permit,

[1:42:13] I would not mind that.

[1:42:14] >> That flexibility piece

[1:42:15] in there.

[1:42:16] >> Yeah, I'm okay

[1:42:17] with that.

[1:42:18] >> All right, then we will be

[1:42:19] happy to draft it and bring it

[1:42:20] to the next council meeting.

[1:42:21] >> Parting words.

[1:42:23] >> Just if that's where you're

[1:42:25] going to go. I like that.

[1:42:27] Because when someone applies

[1:42:29] for a permit, we all have

[1:42:30] to look at it. So, I know

[1:42:31] what's going to happen,

[1:42:32] what's going to happen,

[1:42:33] when it's going to happen,

[1:42:35] how many people are expected.

[1:42:37] So, if you're going to go

[1:42:38] in that direction, it does make

[1:42:39] it a whole lot easier for us

[1:42:40] to be prepared for it,

[1:42:41] as opposed to just saying,

[1:42:42] okay, we're opening up

[1:42:43] to the whole city.

[1:42:44] >> Not that I care if you did

[1:42:45] that. I really don't.

[1:42:47] But that if. If you were

[1:42:49] to ask my opinion, I think that

[1:42:50] that would be good. Special

[1:42:51] activity permit. And you want

[1:42:52] to have that, fine. Because we

[1:42:54] already deal with that.

[1:42:58] >> So. Like it. All right. We

[1:43:01] all good with that one? Moving

[1:43:07] on to agenda item 13.

[1:43:08] Discuss. Take action on

[1:43:09] Resolution 1072.

[1:43:12] >> This one was pulled.

[1:43:14] >> Oh, that's right. My bad.

[1:43:16] Forgot that.

[1:43:18] >> We'll come back to you

[1:43:19] at a later date.

[1:43:21] >> Okay, we're going to move

[1:43:23] on to agenda item 14, which.

[1:43:25] Which is a public hearing.

[1:43:27] Discuss. Take action on

[1:43:28] Ordinance 1270. Jim?

[1:43:35] >> Ordinance number 1270, an

[1:43:36] ordinance of the city of

[1:43:37] Satellite Beach, Brevard

[1:43:39] County, Florida, amending the

[1:43:40] fiscal year 2024, 2025 budget,

[1:43:43] ordinance number 1257,

[1:43:44] providing an effective date.

[1:43:47] This is the second reading

[1:43:48] of ordinance number 1270.

[1:43:53] >> There are no changes.

[1:43:54] >> I was just going

[1:43:55] to say no changes

[1:43:57] since the first reading. Does

[1:43:58] anybody have any questions

[1:43:59] on this?

[1:44:00] Since nothing's changed. My.

[1:44:01] My questions got cleared up. I

[1:44:04] don't understand parentheses. I

[1:44:05] like plus minus.

[1:44:07] >> It's weird.

[1:44:09] >> It's hard for me

[1:44:10] to understand. It's an

[1:44:11] accounting thing,

[1:44:12] I'm sure.

[1:44:13] >> Right?

[1:44:14] >> It is. That's what I was

[1:44:15] told. I know. To me. To me. I

[1:44:16] like red numbers because its

[1:44:18] kind of spelled it spells it

[1:44:20] out for me. I understand red

[1:44:21] numbers, but it's in black and

[1:44:22] white. I know. I get you. All

[1:44:24] right. I will open up agenda

[1:44:25] item 14 for citizens comment.

[1:44:28] If anybody chooses to comment

[1:44:31] on this second reading hearing.

[1:44:33] None. I'll bring it back up

[1:44:38] here. Nothing further. I'll

[1:44:41] entertain a motion to accept

[1:44:42] this.

[1:44:44] >> I'll make a motion to adopt

[1:44:45] ordinance number 1270

[1:44:47] on second reading.

[1:44:51] >> Second.

[1:44:53] >> Okay, I'll move second. Any

[1:44:56] further?

[1:44:57] >> [ CALLING ROLL]

[1:45:03] >> And that passes. And

[1:45:05] we'll close that public

[1:45:13] hearing. We don't need

[1:45:14] to do the 1073. We took care

[1:45:15] of that. Right. And so,

[1:45:16] agenda items

[1:45:18] for the next meeting. Well,

[1:45:22] for the good of the order,

[1:45:23] I have to say I will not be

[1:45:25] at the meeting in two weeks. I

[1:45:27] know you're so disappointed,

[1:45:28] man.

[1:45:29] >> I know.

[1:45:30] >> Really?

[1:45:32] >> Yeah. I'll tell you why I'm

[1:45:33] disappointed after this,

[1:45:34] but.

[1:45:35] >> All right.

[1:45:37] >> Beside the point. Brittany

[1:45:38] areas I already talked

[1:45:39] about that week,

[1:45:41] so everybody sees those that

[1:45:42] are in there. If there's

[1:45:43] anything you would like

[1:45:44] to add, take away, have

[1:45:45] questions, please get

[1:45:48] with staff on that. And that

[1:45:49] meeting is June 18th at 6pm if

[1:45:51] there's nothing further, if

[1:45:53] there's anything that is that's

[1:45:54] going to come up,

[1:45:58] next meeting that you're going

[1:46:01] to miss, and I would assume if

[1:46:02] it means a whole lot to you,

[1:46:04] we can pull it and move it.

[1:46:05] >> Yeah.

[1:46:06] >> I don't want you excluded

[1:46:07] from it.

[1:46:08] >> I can call you

[1:46:09] from my car if you'd like.

[1:46:10] Well, I just want.

[1:46:11] >> I don't want you excluded

[1:46:12] for something that you.

[1:46:13] >> Yeah, that's why I say if

[1:46:14] you do it, just get with staff

[1:46:15] and you can mention it. I am

[1:46:17] sure if you feel strongly,

[1:46:19] something like that, until

[1:46:20] Brittany, she'd be more than

[1:46:21] happy to take it

[1:46:22] off the agenda and pull it

[1:46:23] to the next time

[1:46:25] without issue. I'll look

[1:46:26] into it. I'll let you know in a

[1:46:28] week. I appreciate that.

[1:46:29] >> Thank you.

[1:46:30] >> Okay.

[1:46:31] >> Don't let me know.

[1:46:32] >> There's nothing further.

[1:46:34] >> Sorry.

[1:46:35] >> May ask one question.

[1:46:36] >> Sure.

[1:46:37] >> Do we meet? June, July 2?

[1:46:39] >> No, we do not.

[1:46:40] >> You get, like,

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