[0:06] I'd like to call to order the city of

[0:08] Sagatuck city council workshop for

[0:11] August 19th, 2026.

[0:14] Jamie, will you call the role?

[0:15] » Anderson

[0:16] » Here.

[0:17] » Clark Dean

[0:19] » Here.

[0:20] » Gardner Muny

[0:22] » Here.

[0:23] » Peterson

[0:23] » Here.

[0:24] » Stan

[0:24] » Here.

[0:25] » We have Corum. Um Russ is running late

[0:27] so he will be here. Um and Joe is not

[0:30] here. So can I get a motion to excuse

[0:32] Joe from this evening's meeting or

[0:34] » Madame Mayor? I move we u excuse council

[0:37] member uh Clark from the today's

[0:39] meeting.

[0:39] » Second.

[0:40] » All in favor say yes. Yes. Any opposed?

[0:44] Motion carries. Agenda changes. Uh we

[0:46] talked um informally.

[0:49] » Yes. um about the short-term rental uh

[0:52] licensing uh resolution, which is 7B,

[0:55] and pushing that to the next meeting

[0:57] when we have all of our council members

[0:59] here.

[1:00] » Yeah. I'll make a motion to move

[1:04] » I unfortunately I'd like to but we

[1:06] haven't changed anything. Right. Right.

[1:08] » Uh I'd like to make a motion to change

[1:10] uh discussion item 7V to our next

[1:13] workshop so that all council folks are

[1:16] present during that discussion. Second.

[1:20] » All in favor. Jamie, this all in favor

[1:23] say yes.

[1:23] » Yes.

[1:24] » Any opposed? Motion carries. Sorry,

[1:26] Rash. Good to see you. [laughter]

[1:31] » You get a walk in.

[1:33] » You got the steps. Um,

[1:36] » We have no guest speaker. Uh, so that

[1:38] takes us to public comment on agenda

[1:40] items only. Anyone in the room wish to

[1:43] make a public comment?

[1:46] Anyone online wish to make a comment?

[1:48] Raise your Zoom hand.

[1:52] All right. I don't see any. Do you,

[1:53] Jamie?

[1:53] » I do not.

[1:54] » All right.

[1:55] » I'm

[1:57] This is Christopher Hul. I'm sorry. I

[1:59] don't I'm not really good on this uh

[2:01] Zoom meeting, so I didn't know how to

[2:03] raise my hand on here.

[2:04] » Okay. Uh go ahead. You have three

[2:06] minutes. And if you can um reference the

[2:08] agenda item you wish to address.

[2:11] » Yeah. This is uh Christopher Hal, 731

[2:13] Pleasant Street. Uh so it's agenda item

[2:16] I guess uh C um rightway application

[2:20] permit. So um Lewis Allen and myself um

[2:25] are owners of the property and we're

[2:27] here for the um meeting to discuss this

[2:30] the um

[2:33] proposed um application. So, just wanted

[2:36] to give a let you know we're here online

[2:39] and we are um looking forward to this uh

[2:42] committee meeting.

[2:44] » Excellent. Well, thank you for joining

[2:46] us. Um anyone else on Zoom wish to speak

[2:51] and anyone else in the room wish to make

[2:53] a public comment?

[2:55] » Okay. Uh we'll close public comment and

[2:58] move to action items starting with the

[3:00] approval of the regular city council me

[3:03] meeting minutes from August 10th. Can I

[3:05] get a motion?

[3:06] » U Madame Mayor, I'll move to approve the

[3:09] regular city council meeting minutes

[3:10] from August 10th, 2026.

[3:13] » I'll second.

[3:14] » Any discussion before we vote?

[3:16] » Okay, it's a roll call vote.

[3:18] » Anderson,

[3:19] » Yes.

[3:19] » Dean,

[3:20] » Yes.

[3:21] » My

[3:21] » Yes.

[3:22] » Peterson,

[3:23] » Yes.

[3:23] » Stanton,

[3:24] » Yes.

[3:24] » Motion carries. Great. That takes us to

[3:28] discussion items. Uh 7A is the

[3:30] presentation on recommended brand

[3:32] direction. Quick reminder that um both

[3:34] Chris and Lauren from council were part

[3:36] of this. Um Ryan, do you want to tee it

[3:38] up or have town just dive in or how do

[3:41] you want to handle?

[3:42] » Yeah, just just briefly. Mayor, as you

[3:45] uh all know, you formed a yeah branding

[3:47] advisory committee which uh included

[3:48] myself, council members Peterson,

[3:50] Stanton, uh Tim Straker from our

[3:52] historic district uh commission, and

[3:53] Kristen Armstrong from the Sagatuck

[3:56] Center for the Arts. and uh you uh all

[3:58] approved a proposal from um concept uh A

[4:02] uh to help us with this project and and

[4:04] come up with uh a recommendation uh for

[4:07] you. So, I'm going to turn it over to uh

[4:09] Mr. Straker and concept A to kind of

[4:11] walk through uh the the presentation and

[4:14] go from there.

[4:15] » Real quick, Ryan, was it this wasn't

[4:16] included in our packet, was it?

[4:18] » Correct. We'll get you a copy of the

[4:20] presentation and and make sure it's

[4:22] » To get for people to see the hear the

[4:23] context for it before they've looked at

[4:25] the um design.

[4:27] » Okay.

[4:29] » Okay. Hello everyone.

[4:31] » Hey Tim.

[4:32] » Um I won't repeat what uh Ryan just

[4:35] said, but I will say um I think all the

[4:38] members of the committee are here.

[4:39] » Yeah, that's great.

[4:40] » Yes. So uh it was a really good

[4:42] committee and a really good process.

[4:43] Kudos to concept A for how they led us

[4:47] through this um how they listened to our

[4:49] feedback. I think every um committee

[4:52] member had a point of view and um

[4:54] concept A did a really nice job of

[4:56] listening to that and providing feedback

[4:58] uh against that. So what you're seeing

[5:00] today is the result of uh a few

[5:02] different rounds of um working against

[5:05] the goals and objectives. So I'd like to

[5:07] start there. Jamie, if you want to swip

[5:10] to the next page. Thank you. So just to

[5:13] ground ourselves on the goals and

[5:15] objectives for this project. Um the goal

[5:18] of the rebranding project, we wanted to

[5:20] create a modern identity that reflects

[5:23] the authentic character of our community

[5:25] and something that captures the culture,

[5:27] the natural beauty, um the charm, the

[5:30] sophistication in a way that feels

[5:34] said said no better than this distinctly

[5:36] Sagatuk. Um, every good branding project

[5:40] starts with a primary audience and

[5:41] understanding really who you're going

[5:43] after. In this case, our primary

[5:45] audience was um, visitors and tourists

[5:48] who are experiencing this from the

[5:50] outside in. And our goal was to create a

[5:52] strong um, sort of immediate um,

[5:56] impression that reflects the character

[5:58] and the quality of the place. But the

[6:00] secondary audience of residents, I

[6:02] think, is really important as well. And

[6:04] in no other case that you know in in

[6:06] sort of branding world I think is this

[6:08] more appropriate that it's almost like a

[6:11] recycling logo. The primary audience

[6:13] sort of depends on the the secondary

[6:15] audience which is residents and the

[6:17] resident the secondary audience sort of

[6:19] depends on the primary audience. There's

[6:21] a tremendous halo effect of how you feel

[6:23] as a community member um for how

[6:26] visitors and tourists experience our

[6:28] community and there's a tremendous sense

[6:30] of pride in that. So, we kept going back

[6:32] to what we were trying to accomplish

[6:34] with the primary and secondary audience

[6:36] definitions.

[6:39] Um, at its core,

[6:42] thanks. At its core, there were three

[6:45] brand pillars. We wanted to make sure

[6:47] this felt authentic to its core, artful

[6:50] by nature, and elevated yet

[6:52] approachable. So, I'm going to unpack

[6:54] each of these um a little bit because I

[6:56] think it's really important for what

[6:57] you're going to see. Um

[7:00] when we say authentic and at its core,

[7:02] we mean the brand should feel grounded

[7:04] and genuine while reflecting the

[7:06] individuality of the community where the

[7:08] the character, the nostalgia, and kind

[7:11] of this touch of quirk exists side by

[7:14] side. And we think that's a really nice

[7:16] description of what we all feel in this

[7:18] community every day. Um, number two,

[7:21] it's artful by nature in that the brand

[7:23] should reflect a sense of artistry um

[7:25] and feel natural and integrated u in the

[7:28] everyday, not applied or decorative.

[7:31] That's really important too. I think the

[7:33] authenticity of that artful by nature

[7:35] comment oozes out of this community and

[7:38] we wanted this identity to feel that

[7:40] way.

[7:41] Last, we wanted it to feel elevated yet

[7:44] approachable. Um, concept a described

[7:48] this as a rare high low dynamic. And I

[7:50] think that's a good description where

[7:52] small town warmth and charm coexist.

[7:56] There's a level of refinement, but it

[7:58] never feels out of reach. It just sort

[8:00] of feels like this distinctive, easy to

[8:04] engage, um, an easy to understand kind

[8:06] of vibe that goes on here.

[8:09] Um, we did do a little bit of research,

[8:11] um, prior to the design work. Um the um

[8:17] the survey had about u 322 responses.

[8:21] The first question was about um our

[8:23] community members appetite for change.

[8:26] And um generally the feedback was um

[8:29] somewhere between a moderate refresh

[8:30] first and a completely new direction

[8:33] with a subtle evolution from where we

[8:35] are now coming in last. So I think where

[8:37] we ended up um definitely reflects this

[8:40] sort of 231 order. um and we can come

[8:43] back to that as we look at um how the

[8:46] identity plays off across applications.

[8:48] And then I've already covered some of

[8:50] those um brand attributes or core words

[8:53] that we wanted to um to reflect in the

[8:56] identity.

[8:58] So without uh without uh further waiting

[9:01] um we'll share with you the

[9:03] recommendation.

[9:06] So uh this city of Sagatuck identity is

[9:09] the recommended direction. Excellent,

[9:11] Jamie.

[9:12] » It feels uh we feel that it's bold. It's

[9:16] flowing. It reflects sort of a

[9:18] handcrafted nature of our creative

[9:20] spirit. Um it's kind of the result of an

[9:23] approachable welcoming brand feel that

[9:26] uh has character and sort of easily uh

[9:30] defines the sense of creativity in the

[9:32] community. Um, we purposely sort of did

[9:35] the reveal in a black and white

[9:37] application so you know you weren't

[9:40] swayed by colors or things around it. We

[9:43] wanted you to get the sense of purity

[9:45] around the identity. But if we make one

[9:47] more click, you can see how it comes to

[9:49] life in full color. Um, and you can see

[9:53] sort of how this um how this vibe lives

[9:56] on one of our favorite assets um, Oval

[9:58] Beach. So this could be on top of a

[10:00] photo that's a mast head in our website,

[10:03] but it's purely for conceptual purposes.

[10:06] If you go one more click, you can see

[10:08] sort of how it takes on a more official

[10:11] role. So we talked a lot about um and we

[10:14] looked at other identities for other

[10:16] municipalities and talked about the role

[10:18] of a city identity and it's um how

[10:21] serious it needs to be or what the

[10:23] interplay between personality and

[10:25] official business is. and we feel like

[10:27] we found the right spot where um this is

[10:31] a a stationary and a sort of document

[10:33] expression of what the identity looks

[10:35] like in official correspondence. There's

[10:38] nothing that says it has like official

[10:40] correspondence has to be dry or it has

[10:42] to be overly prescriptive. Um, I think

[10:46] the days of a sort of gold leaf stamp on

[10:49] a on a municipality identity are behind

[10:52] us. And there's no better community

[10:55] better situated to sort of reflect this

[10:57] balance of personality and official

[10:59] business. And so this gives you a sense

[11:02] of how that feels. Um, another

[11:04] application, and I love this because

[11:07] it's the most mobile application that

[11:09] you see around town, is how the red

[11:11] trucks look with this kind of an

[11:13] identity on it. It just sort of, um,

[11:16] it's a little bit of a wink. It's a

[11:18] little bit of a makes you smile. Um, uh,

[11:21] it gives you a sense of what the city

[11:22] stands for when you see it on a

[11:25] Department of Public Works um, sign or a

[11:28] truck.

[11:29] And then uh another example,

[11:32] if you think about the sign coming in on

[11:34] Blue Star um from Holland, the the one

[11:37] that sort of keeps getting over

[11:40] » The third several times,

[11:42] » The third one or

[11:43] » Um you know, you can see how this

[11:46] identity looks in signage. You can see

[11:48] how it looks on wayfinding signage. Um

[11:50] sort of like Douglas has and that's on

[11:52] the right. Um city of Charavoy has very

[11:54] similar signage. You can see how that

[11:56] holds its own on that. And I want to say

[11:59] one thing as especially for anyone who

[12:01] might listen to this afterwards. Um this

[12:05] this identity on this sign is this

[12:08] identity on one sign. This is not a

[12:11] proposal to change the pallet sign

[12:13] because that is part of our core

[12:15] identity. It's actually not a proposal

[12:17] to change the other one at North Street

[12:19] because that's really interesting.

[12:21] That's an interesting sort of late 70s

[12:23] early 80s expression of our of our

[12:25] community pride and that's part of what

[12:27] makes this quirky is having sort of

[12:30] different personalities around town. So

[12:32] while this might be the official

[12:34] identity for the city of Sagatuck um

[12:36] it's one of many expressions of what we

[12:39] like to communicate who we are and how

[12:41] we live.

[12:44] And then probably the um expression or

[12:46] the application that most people are are

[12:48] familiar with obviously or will be

[12:50] whether you're a visitor or whether

[12:52] you're a resident is the website.

[12:55] So you can see sort of how the lockup

[12:57] works um in the circle um for social

[13:01] media on an Insta page or Facebook page.

[13:05] You can see how um the grid might look

[13:07] with a series of posts. These are all

[13:10] made up. Um, but I think the important

[13:12] part about this page is to show how a

[13:15] color palette can translate and actually

[13:18] help you find or identify with

[13:20] information. So that historic district

[13:24] box um that is sort of a tealely blue,

[13:27] that's just random, but you may, you

[13:30] know, if it is tealy blue, you may

[13:31] always look for the updates that are

[13:33] tealy blue if um the HDC is something

[13:36] that you watch and follow. Same with the

[13:39] planning commission. and it could be um

[13:41] orange or um uh any sort of um other

[13:45] update on you know beach passes and

[13:48] things like that. So it gives us the

[13:49] ability to organize our grid and

[13:52] communicate with uh a little more

[13:53] clarity.

[13:57] Um another example of a website concept.

[14:00] So, I love this one for how clean it is,

[14:04] how clear it is, and how the city of

[14:07] Sagatuck logo sort of um sits on

[14:10] photography and how um the expression of

[14:12] the logo and photography work together

[14:14] to create a vibe of who we are and how

[14:18] important the water is, how important

[14:19] nature is. By the way, I think that's

[14:22] kind of critical to sort of the greens

[14:24] and blues that you feel that you see are

[14:26] most prominent with the color palette.

[14:31] And then I think lastly, um, just a

[14:33] couple variations. Concept A does a

[14:35] really nice job of giving you variety

[14:37] and guidelines on how to use that

[14:39] variety. So the left is sort of the

[14:43] primary logo. Um, we had a lot of good

[14:45] conversation about this, whether it

[14:47] should just be Sagatuck or the city of

[14:48] Sagatuck. We landed that it needs to

[14:51] have the city on it. It needed to be

[14:52] anchored in the like that is an official

[14:56] um, uh, sort of need. Um there's

[15:00] situations where it may not have the

[15:02] city. There are situations when you

[15:04] might add established 1868.

[15:06] Um so there's secondary uses, there's

[15:09] primary uses. Um they're really good

[15:12] about creating the guidelines in the

[15:13] rule book for um for city staff to

[15:16] follow very easily so we know how we're

[15:18] being consistent.

[15:21] And then lastly, um, one of the things

[15:23] we asked Concept Day to do for us was

[15:25] just put this in sit in situ with, um,

[15:29] two other logos that are around us

[15:31] because if our primary audience is

[15:33] visitors, our secondary audience is

[15:35] residents. We all experience these uh,

[15:38] these logos. We experience Sagatuck

[15:40] Township. We experience um, Douglas's

[15:43] branding. So, like what do we look like

[15:46] in comparison and how does our

[15:48] personality fit when all three

[15:51] communities are sort of together? And we

[15:53] felt it was a good litmus test because

[15:56] um those other two logos are lovely.

[15:58] They had their own goals and objectives

[16:00] for their audience and they delivered on

[16:03] that for them. We feel slightly

[16:06] different but it also hangs together um

[16:09] in a sort of three community region. Um,

[16:12] but we also give ourselves the the

[16:14] opportunity to stand apart and have our

[16:16] own personality. So, we really liked how

[16:19] this identity showed up as part of the

[16:21] three. We feel like we're part of the

[16:23] family, but we're um one of the kids

[16:25] that definitely stands out with its own

[16:27] personality.

[16:28] » The fun kids.

[16:29] » Yeah, they're the fun kids.

[16:33] » I think that's it.

[16:35] » Great job, Tim.

[16:36] » Yeah, thank you for the committee. And

[16:38] thank you to all four of you and Ryan

[16:40] who were on the group. It's great work

[16:43] and um thank you for being here. So

[16:45] » Yeah,

[16:46] » Concept A um is on the phone if we have

[16:48] qu anyone has questions or comments. Um

[16:51] but um kudos to them. They run a really

[16:54] good meeting, a really good process and

[16:57] uh I think they listened very well

[17:00] » From the other committee members. um any

[17:03] Lauren and Chris and all

[17:05] » I will just say that um you know we went

[17:07] through a number of variations where we

[17:09] saw different um concepts that they

[17:12] brought forth and we went through

[17:14] different you know going back on what we

[17:17] you know looked at as far as the goals

[17:19] of what we wanted it to look like. Um I

[17:22] think Tim and Kristen having people that

[17:25] have a background that's more in design

[17:29] um was super helpful. Um, I definitely

[17:32] don't have a background in design or

[17:34] branding or marketing. So, I felt like I

[17:36] really enjoyed having uh your brains in

[17:40] the mix with us. And so, we really um we

[17:43] couldn't have done it without having our

[17:45] community members with the brain power

[17:47] um when it comes to design and marketing

[17:49] and uh branding um to be a part of it.

[17:52] So, uh very thankful and um I'm really

[17:55] excited about how this turned out. I

[17:57] think it it it it says all the things

[17:59] that we want it to say.

[18:01] » Chris, u I I agree with all of that. We

[18:04] had they came to us with three different

[18:06] designs and and two of them focused very

[18:09] similarly to what we have now with the

[18:11] river coming down. And the way it did it

[18:13] and Ryan brought it up. He said, "It

[18:14] looks like a duck being eaten by a

[18:17] fish." And I couldn't get it out of my

[18:19] mind after he said that's all I could

[18:21] see. Um, now I don't have a lot of

[18:23] experience in in uh design or anything

[18:25] like that, but I do have experience in

[18:26] pitfalls of deciding things for the

[18:28] public. Could you go back to the pallet,

[18:30] please?

[18:34] There. Go back. One of the things I

[18:36] wanted to be very clear on is that we

[18:38] have the colors identified that will be

[18:39] used. I don't want any colors out there

[18:42] that show up that we did not vote on,

[18:44] right?

[18:45] » And so I think we have to be very

[18:47] careful that we stay with it. They can

[18:48] be moved around however you want to, but

[18:51] those are our colors.

[18:52] » Yeah, that makes sense.

[18:54] » Other than that, I I thought it went

[18:56] very well and and uh we

[18:57] » Yeah. And it's kind of music to concepts

[18:59] A's ears um that when they create brand

[19:02] guidelines, they don't want us to

[19:04] » Not guidelines, they're rules.

[19:06] » Exactly.

[19:07] » Yeah.

[19:07] » Um Kristen, anything you want to say in

[19:10] the audience? Kristen,

[19:11] » I just think that

[19:12] » Will you come to the mic so we capture

[19:14] you on the video.

[19:15] » Thank you. First of all, thank you for

[19:16] including me. This was absolutely was a

[19:18] super cool process to be part of. Um I

[19:20] think that Sagatuck has exactly what Tim

[19:23] said, a really unique opportunity to

[19:25] come up with um a mark a logo that is

[19:28] unlike most municipal logos because of

[19:30] who we are. Plain and simple. Period.

[19:33] Full stop. Right. Um and I think Concept

[19:35] Day did a great job in my opinion of

[19:38] putting forward something that does give

[19:41] that we are the art coast after all,

[19:43] right? that playful, creative vibe that

[19:45] also um is serious enough that it can be

[19:48] on the side of a truck or on your

[19:49] letterhead. Uh and I think that just is

[19:52] it's so good for us to have a logo that

[19:54] honestly doesn't just look like

[19:56] everybody else's offtheshelf. Gee, let

[19:58] me guess. Will there be a river? Gee,

[20:00] let me guess. Will the radone be on it?

[20:02] I love those places. So predictable,

[20:05] right? And the fact that concept day

[20:07] came back with this thing that emi

[20:08] embodies um who we are in that spirit of

[20:12] artfulness but can still be on the side

[20:14] of a truck big um I love that Tim said a

[20:17] wink um feels so much like saga tuck

[20:20] right elevated and yet we wink you know

[20:21] as we get on the street. So all of those

[20:23] things and thanks for including me

[20:25] because it was just I learned a ton and

[20:27] it was a delight to be part of it.

[20:28] » That's great. Scott,

[20:30] » A couple questions and I'm not sure if

[20:31] it's for the committee members or for um

[20:33] the concept a folks. Is that derived

[20:37] from any existing font? So that's that's

[20:41] our own or their own invention. Those

[20:43] those letters are are their own

[20:44] invention,

[20:45] » Right?

[20:46] » Um so that would give us and I'm not an

[20:48] expert on this. That would give us the

[20:50] ability to trademark or copyright it to

[20:53] protect it.

[20:55] » Concept A. I'll let you I'll let you

[20:58] answer the specifics of that, but it is

[21:00] a um it's a custom it's a custom logo,

[21:04] right?

[21:06] » Yes, that's correct. It's

[21:08] [clears throat] all hand handdrawn.

[21:10] » Okay.

[21:11] » Nothing like it exists. So, it's

[21:13] 100%able by the city. the fonts that go

[21:16] with it too. Um they've done a good job

[21:20] of balancing like what are usable font

[21:22] fonts that won't cost us as well as this

[21:26] is a protectable um identity since it is

[21:29] custom.

[21:29] » Okay. So I I yeah just to legally

[21:32] protect it. I think to a certain extent

[21:34] it goes to council member Peterson's

[21:35] comment about you know a certain color

[21:37] palette that we shouldn't deviate on.

[21:40] You know I would want to make sure that

[21:41] we that it can't be diluted by others

[21:43] copying it. So that was that's my

[21:45] primary concern that I'm driving at. I

[21:47] don't know.

[21:47] » T-shirts.

[21:48] » Yeah.

[21:48] » Well, precise precisely. I mean,

[21:51] frankly, we we should have the t-shirt

[21:53] concession. Yeah.

[21:55] » You know, merch. I'm all about the

[21:57] » Honestly. I mean, we should really I

[22:00] mean, I

[22:01] » They did one with the hat. It showed it

[22:03] on the hat and that was really cool.

[22:05] » We um you're 100% right. And we actually

[22:08] early on in this process we sort of said

[22:10] one of the success criteria would be

[22:12] that you love this thing so much that

[22:14] you want it on merch. Like that's a

[22:16] litmus test of do you relate to this

[22:18] identity.

[22:19] » So but in order for that to happen we

[22:22] have to own it. We can't have

[22:23] » Right

[22:24] » Random people reproducing it in a way

[22:26] that's not

[22:27] » What we what we

[22:29] » Know this is true for corporations. I'm

[22:31] assuming it's true for municipalities,

[22:32] but you know the the logo or I mean

[22:35] people can when they need to use your

[22:37] logo grab it off your website though

[22:40] that they're using the official

[22:42] » That they will create that ability

[22:44] within their guidelines.

[22:46] » Yeah. I I just go back to my previous

[22:48] job when I worked for BP oil when they

[22:50] went from just BP to the the green and

[22:52] yellow sunburst. You know, suddenly you

[22:54] found a green and yellow sunburst gas

[22:57] station in Kazakhstan

[22:58] » That wasn't a BP station. That's right.

[23:00] » But they've they've found a way to try

[23:02] to emulate and copy, you know, what we

[23:04] spent, you know, what we spent millions

[23:06] on. So, I mean,

[23:08] » My I guess my my ask would be, you know,

[23:10] can we I think we should find ways to

[23:12] protect it. You know, I don't know if

[23:13] it's trademark, copyright, what, but but

[23:15] I do think we should we should pursue

[23:17] that to make sure

[23:19] » Concept A can answer.

[23:20] » You guys can help us, right?

[23:22] » And Jake too might file a trademark for

[23:25] this or

[23:27] » I don't see any reason why we couldn't.

[23:28] Um, IP law is not exactly my ba wick,

[23:32] but we have a couple attorneys in my

[23:34] office that do a lot of uh trademark

[23:37] work and so I'd be happy to to circle

[23:40] back with them and see what the steps

[23:41] are for getting some protection to the

[23:43] logo.

[23:44] » I would suggest we take that extra step.

[23:46] Um, and the reason I'm saying that is

[23:48] because I freaking love it. I think I

[23:49] think it's amazing. I I never would have

[23:53] I never would have imagined it myself,

[23:54] but I love it. It's fantastic.

[23:56] » I do too. But I want to sense check that

[23:58] because I'm not an artist, nor am I, you

[24:00] know, a member of the business

[24:01] community. So that's why I'd like to

[24:03] also ask Ashley for her gut reaction to

[24:05] it. Uh I don't mean to put you on the

[24:07] spot, Ashley, but from a CVB

[24:08] perspective, what do you think?

[24:11] » Happy to be put on the spot. Um I love

[24:14] the playful nature of it. I wasn't

[24:16] expecting uh to be so pleasantly

[24:18] surprised. Um it's great and um I thank

[24:21] you to the whole committee for all the

[24:23] work you've done. Bravo.

[24:27] Jared,

[24:27] » I of also have to repeat what Ashley

[24:30] said. Um, I wasn't expecting to be so

[24:33] pleasantly surprised. As most people in

[24:34] the community know, I'm very judgmental

[24:37] and and I was I wasn't expecting um such

[24:40] a wonderful uh uh uh font to hear that

[24:43] it was done handdrawn

[24:46] uh and that and that um it's our own

[24:48] font rather than a font I can find uh on

[24:51] on on uh on stock somewhere. Um, uh,

[24:55] it's easy to read and it's fun and I'm

[24:58] seeing the water in there. I'm seeing

[25:00] the nature in there with the curves and

[25:02] things.

[25:03] » Um, I'm very pleasantly surprised and

[25:05] um, and uh, and kudos to um, Kristen. I

[25:09] I know a great creative uh, mind there

[25:12] uh, uh, that helped out and everybody

[25:14] that helped uh, to make this happen. I

[25:16] think it's I'm very very happy. you

[25:18] know,

[25:18] » Could you go to the where it shows the

[25:20] three municipalities cuz

[25:22] » And that's another thing and like

[25:24] somebody was saying earlier was that uh

[25:26] you know it's not the typical you know

[25:28] block lettering too much spacing in

[25:30] between uh you know uh it's not typical

[25:34] and and I think that's perfect for

[25:35] Saget. I just think, you know, also, you

[25:38] know, in addition to the the very, you

[25:40] know, strong association to the river

[25:42] and the na and nature, you know, it's

[25:44] got a really cool almost 60s

[25:47] counterculture vibe, which is, you know,

[25:50] very talk.

[25:50] » Yeah. Which is very sag, you know, arts,

[25:53] diversity, you know, you know, a bit

[25:55] quirky. So, it's got all that sort of I

[25:57] mean, I actually like briefly looked at

[25:58] the Rolling Stone magazine logo because

[26:00] it kind of reminded me of that ever so

[26:02] slightly. But it's it's different

[26:03] though. It is. But it's it it's got that

[26:06] it's got that great kind of vibe that I

[26:08] think a lot of people expect of Saget

[26:10] with the arts and sort of the diversity

[26:11] and so I think it's great

[26:13] » Of of nostalgia much like our last logo

[26:16] that was done in the 80s had a kind of a

[26:18] nod to nostalgia. So I like how you kind

[26:20] of kept that nod but then elevated it

[26:23] updated it.

[26:24] » Yeah.

[26:25] » I love it. And I also love that you know

[26:27] the pallet sign goes right with that

[26:29] logo. the you know the other sign we

[26:31] have at North I mean that I think it

[26:34] says Sagatuk and I love looking at it's

[26:37] like we it kind of captures who we are

[26:40] where we are

[26:41] » So

[26:42] » And it's quirky and again easy to read I

[26:44] mean it's it's Sagatuck you just see it

[26:47] there it's not something you have to

[26:48] fight to see like not nec I don't see it

[26:50] with Sagatuck or Douglas or Township or

[26:52] Douglas but a lot of logos you know it's

[26:55] hard to read because they're being too

[26:56] artsy

[26:57] » Yeah and I really like leaning into you

[27:00] know the the the name the word because

[27:02] you know there's like I think there's

[27:04] only two sagatucks in America and is the

[27:05] one that I think most people know of and

[27:07] you know it's it's it's a kind of a

[27:09] interesting word it's a native it speaks

[27:11] back to the Native American connection

[27:13] you know to the rivermouth communities

[27:14] here I think it's just I I think it was

[27:16] great that the team really leaned into

[27:19] the name as opposed to

[27:22] » Icons or it was really good

[27:24] » It's clear and and I take put anything

[27:27] away with Saga Douglas what however they

[27:29] combined us three of them or anything

[27:30] but we're saga talk

[27:31] » We are I mean and it's it's it's perfect

[27:34] » It's great

[27:36] » When you license this for a sweatshirt

[27:38] I'm buying the first one

[27:40] » I think it could be number

[27:44] the first one is not on counselor

[27:47] » Again like keep the top secret until

[27:48] Jake lock locks it down

[27:50] » That'll be $300 each

[27:52] » You might have to have arrangements with

[27:54] different t-shirt companies in town to

[27:56] have to be the official supplier of the

[27:57] saga talk. Da da da.

[27:59] » Yeah.

[27:59] » Yeah. No, for sure.

[28:00] » Yeah. Welcome,

[28:01] » Russ.

[28:03] » And we're journed.

[28:04] » Yeah.

[28:06] » Perfect.

[28:07] » Look, Russ, we all like it so far.

[28:10] » Hi.

[28:11] » You didn't get to feel the whole

[28:13] presentation up

[28:15] » When it's posted. You'll have to watch

[28:17] the whole

[28:21] » One last thing. I think Scott, to your

[28:22] point about protection, um, we'll work

[28:26] with, you know, concept A, we can chat

[28:28] about this afterwards, but,

[28:31] uh, usually, you know, you can go in

[28:34] once we protect it, you can go in and

[28:35] pull it off. We may just not want to

[28:38] have a version that is without city of

[28:41] period

[28:43] » Because I'm totally making this up. But

[28:45] if we had a drugstore that wanted to

[28:46] pull that off and say we're Sagatuck

[28:48] drugstore or Sagatuck Brewery, you could

[28:50] pull that off and say

[28:51] » That's a really good point.

[28:52] » Yeah.

[28:53] » City locked up on it,

[28:55] » That may give us even a little more

[28:57] protection.

[28:57] » Right. Good point. And now that we're

[28:59] kind of going into this a little bit, I

[29:02] would almost want to well, I think we're

[29:04] good particularly with the city of

[29:05] Sagatuck and perhaps the date as well,

[29:08] but it is there are some similarities to

[29:10] the the um kind of rainbowy sign over by

[29:14] Wix Park. I don't know if the font is

[29:17] that close or not. I think it's okay. I

[29:20] don't know about

[29:20] » Oh, I know what you're talking

[29:21] » I know what you're talking about, but

[29:23] » But without seeing it without seeing it

[29:25] » Oh, right. Right. Right. without seeing

[29:27] it. I can't say if it's if there's an

[29:29] issue there or not.

[29:30] » I think I don't think so. Um it's it's a

[29:34] vibe of nostalgia, but I think it's not

[29:36] an overlap.

[29:37] » Okay. Gotcha.

[29:39] » And

[29:39] » Do we need to put a trademark or somehow

[29:42] put something in, you know, itty bitty

[29:44] before we put this on the website even

[29:46] to share

[29:46] » The TM underneath the

[29:48] » Yeah. to share with the packet. I mean,

[29:51] because we were going to post all of

[29:52] this, right?

[29:53] » Okay. I can I can follow up with you

[29:55] right after this. Can Do we have like a

[29:58] a day before we post or how long do we

[30:00] have?

[30:00] » Yeah, you guys.

[30:01] » Yeah, we can get the packet out on

[30:02] Friday and have Yep.

[30:03] » Or could you put like a watermark on it

[30:05] or something? You know,

[30:07] » I don't know. Can you

[30:09] » I'm happy to follow up.

[30:10] » Okay, that'd be great.

[30:11] » I think usually with IP, the fact that

[30:13] Council Update created this for us, I

[30:15] think we're pretty much protected

[30:17] already, but then there's some more

[30:18] steps we can take, I think, just to

[30:19] avoid copycats and the like. I think I

[30:22] I'm not sure that there's a real risk of

[30:24] like suddenly

[30:25] » Yeah, I know. Well, you never know.

[30:28] » Yeah. Well, fab I mean

[30:30] » The merchandise shops around town

[30:33] that I mean [clears throat] that

[30:35] » It is a is a real possibility, you know,

[30:38] so Oh, I think it's guaranteed that

[30:40] they're going to want to do it.

[30:40] » Yeah, definitely.

[30:42] » Good point.

[30:42] » Oh, great. So, what are the next steps

[30:45] for council Brian? So next steps are uh

[30:48] we'll plan on having um your approval of

[30:51] this on the agenda for Monday and then

[30:53] assuming you uh approve then concept day

[30:55] is going to kind of put together that uh

[30:58] set of brand guidelines uh to then bring

[31:00] back that that final package for you to

[31:02] to sign off on um as well. But we want

[31:05] to make sure that everybody's there's an

[31:07] approved logo and uh and everything else

[31:09] before they they kind of do that that

[31:11] next step with the work. So

[31:13] » Great. Well, thanks to the team. What a

[31:16] great job all of you. Um,

[31:17] » Home home run.

[31:19] » Great. Well, that takes us to discussion

[31:21] item C, which is the right-of-way permit

[31:23] application, no less important uh for

[31:25] 731 uh Pleasant Street. Thank you,

[31:28] Grayson. Thanks, Kristen, for joining

[31:30] us.

[31:32] » Thanks, Tim.

[31:35] » Not less important, but a little less

[31:37] exciting. Um, our applicants proposing

[31:39] some rightway installations. Uh, and

[31:41] that kind of includes several retaining

[31:43] walls, some hardcaping, uh, redoing the

[31:46] driveway, and adding um a staircase. Uh,

[31:50] historically, um, like many of the homes

[31:52] on Pleasant Street, it's contained

[31:54] landscaping, a staircase, some water

[31:56] features, boulders, and some other

[31:58] improvements that are located in the

[31:59] rightway.

[32:01] Um while the proposed improvements uh do

[32:04] represent a significant private

[32:05] investment within the city's rightway,

[32:07] the steep slope that's on Pleasant

[32:09] Street uh extending from the edge of the

[32:12] pavement uh really substantially limits

[32:14] the likelihood of the area being needed

[32:16] for future public use. Uh from a

[32:19] planning and zoning perspective, there

[32:20] were no significant concerns. Uh after

[32:23] speaking with our city engineer, he

[32:24] noted some minor drainage modifications

[32:27] uh which could easily be addressed uh

[32:29] through an amendment of the plan. uh and

[32:31] he was in agreement that the final

[32:33] decision on the installation is really

[32:35] policy leaning for the council. Uh as

[32:38] there are no objections from the

[32:39] engineer standpoint either. Uh I put the

[32:43] council considerations for the rideway

[32:45] installations on page 18 of your packet.

[32:47] Uh and the applicant is also online to

[32:50] help answer any questions.

[32:54] » Chris, [laughter] you know a little bit

[32:56] about the street, huh? We live right

[32:58] across the street from this and I I

[33:00] think this is is an exciting proposal

[33:02] where I'm where I'm going to raise my

[33:04] questions. I don't know how many years

[33:06] ago there was a seven inch rain within a

[33:08] certain amount of time and if I remember

[33:10] almost all of the houses along there had

[33:11] to go back in and do resupport because

[33:14] it weakened quite a few things. Um this

[33:17] is very steep and what will the fill be

[33:22] to create these terraces going down?

[33:24] Where will the fill come from? Because

[33:26] when you look off of Pleasant, there's

[33:28] maybe from here to there and then it's

[33:30] straight down. But they're going to

[33:31] terrace that.

[33:32] » Where will the fill come in? I don't

[33:34] want any I sure there's no guarantee,

[33:36] but you know, I wouldn't want any kind

[33:38] of u sinkhole

[33:41] » Happening,

[33:41] » Right?

[33:42] » I believe there are engineers online, so

[33:43] I'll let him fully answer that. Um but I

[33:45] do want to note that those were the

[33:47] engineers concerns as well. So that was

[33:49] something he felt they could work

[33:50] through.

[33:50] » Okay.

[33:55] is Eric. Eric is uh he's on his he's

[33:59] still driving. He got caught up in some

[34:01] traffic. He said, "Hi, Eric. Can you

[34:06] can you fill in on this the filling

[34:12] » Me

[34:14] being safe?"

[34:16] » Yeah.

[34:17] » All right. Can uh can everybody

[34:21] Yeah.

[34:24] Okay. All right. So, yeah, sorry, I was

[34:26] caught up in an accident on 31 there

[34:28] trying to get through Holland, but I am

[34:30] right around the corner and I'll be

[34:31] there in a second. Um, but I can explain

[34:36] the fill situation. So, the engineering

[34:38] that goes behind this wall is all three

[34:43] quart by half inch crushed limestone.

[34:46] Um, so there that is going to be a very

[34:50] porous material. uh no fines. Uh we use

[34:54] a geoexile fabric to be able to separate

[34:58] the clean aggregate from the native

[35:01] soils. So when we have situations where

[35:05] there's a uh a large amount of rain,

[35:09] we've got the clean aggregate that

[35:12] washes the rain through the engineering

[35:15] behind the wall. And then we have

[35:17] footing drains on all of the walls to be

[35:20] able to alleviate any hydraulic pressure

[35:23] that

[35:24] could potentially still be there. Um

[35:29] the massive amount of tonnage of the

[35:33] stone that's used behind the wall, we've

[35:35] never seen any hydraulic pressure be

[35:38] created, but uh the footing drains are

[35:41] there for added security.

[35:45] Will the driveway stay the same?

[35:48] » The driveway footprint will stay the

[35:50] same. Um it's just the additional

[35:53] parking areas uh within the rightway

[35:56] that we're going to create

[35:58] » To create some off

[36:01] » At 12:00. That's our picket fence right

[36:04] there. Yeah.

[36:05] » So, we you know have have seen lots of

[36:08] rain and everything and I I haven't

[36:10] noticed any problems since the that

[36:11] time. forget how many years ago it was

[36:13] and short up. Uh but I did have a

[36:16] concern about what the fill would be if

[36:18] you're especially going to put a parking

[36:19] lot there or parking for how many cars?

[36:23] » One car.

[36:23] » Just one car. There's going to be one

[36:25] just one more space added to the sorry

[36:28] the front um right around where the

[36:31] mailbox is in the front between the that

[36:35] we're going to have that space between

[36:38] the retaining wall and the street.

[36:41] There'll be just one one lot or one

[36:44] space for one car.

[36:46] » Thanks. Hi neighbors. [laughter]

[36:51] » That that alleviates my concerns. Yeah,

[36:54] » Scott.

[36:55] » Um I trust staff's recommendation and I

[36:59] and I trust the engineering. Um my only

[37:02] question is um you know and it's it's

[37:05] about the new parking pad and the new

[37:06] and the slope to the new pad which would

[37:08] be in this the uh city's right of way on

[37:12] Pleasant Street. So that's the closest

[37:13] part to Pleasant Street. Um, what kind

[37:17] of precedent does this create as we move

[37:20] forward with what is going to be a very,

[37:22] I think, difficult and complicated

[37:24] project on Park Street

[37:26] » Where we have the the need to make it

[37:30] safer for the public to to to navigate

[37:33] Park Street and we probably are going to

[37:36] have to deal with

[37:38] new parking pads that are in the

[37:40] easement, you know. So suddenly we're

[37:41] going to approve one for the for the

[37:43] easement and we're going to probably be

[37:45] doing the opposite. I would suspect I

[37:48] can't say that as a matter of fact, but

[37:51] we know that there are pads and

[37:54] driveways in the city's easement that

[37:56] are going to be problematic as we move

[37:58] forward on the Park Street project. So

[37:59] how do we square these two issues? Yeah,

[38:02] I think this uh street is unique um in

[38:05] that I don't you know there's just no

[38:08] room um first of all as you know we

[38:10] approved no parking on that street on

[38:12] the actual street because it's just too

[38:14] narrow right

[38:15] » Um on that side of the street you know

[38:18] there's not even room to put a sidewalk

[38:20] or any kind of anything so it's it's

[38:22] almost like it's not usable by the city

[38:25] um as far as what I would believe to be

[38:28] true I think it's just a different

[38:30] situation with Park Street

[38:32] Yeah, but it's a it's a good point.

[38:34] » You make a valid point. And you know,

[38:35] the no parking on park on Pleasant

[38:38] Street, you know, which was which was

[38:39] unpopular. Um, but it was at the request

[38:42] of the fire department. Um, so I guess

[38:45] this might be a time for,

[38:48] you know, Jake to appine if if if, you

[38:51] know, we're setting ourselves up for

[38:52] complications on, you know, another

[38:55] street, a busy street like that is a

[38:57] very, you know, much different traffic

[38:58] flow, but nevertheless, we'll have some

[39:00] similar issues on

[39:02] » City.

[39:03] » Well, I think there's always, you know,

[39:08] room for complication when you get these

[39:10] kind of requests. But the good thing is

[39:11] that each of these requests are going to

[39:14] be evaluated on their own merits. So the

[39:18] the council has a list of

[39:23] » I'm sorry. I think Eric, you might still

[39:25] have your phone on and I'm getting the

[39:26] audio fed back to me.

[39:30] » I wanted to say I agree totally with

[39:32] Lauren. I'm very familiar with that

[39:34] property. I knew the previous owners and

[39:36] I know the owners of the properties on

[39:38] both sides. um there would be never a

[39:41] way to make a a sidewalk or to widen the

[39:44] road um on that side of the street

[39:47] anyway. Um so I would feel comfortable

[39:50] um with saying yes.

[39:51] » Well, in in in terms of establishing,

[39:54] right, the thing that I think is

[39:56] important for the council to do is just

[39:58] identify the the special characteristics

[40:02] that that are pushing the council in the

[40:04] direction of approving this request

[40:06] where where other requests might be

[40:08] denied. And so I mean what I got out of

[40:10] the staff report and and what council

[40:12] member Muny was just pointing out is the

[40:14] the extreme grade you know that is

[40:17] unique to that property and it also

[40:18] makes that part of the rightway very

[40:21] ills suited for public improvements.

[40:24] Um you know things of that nature so

[40:28] long as there are valid reasons you know

[40:29] why the city is is granting this request

[40:32] and not granting other requests. I

[40:34] wouldn't be concerned about the

[40:35] precedent because again each request is

[40:38] is taken on its own merits.

[40:40] » Okay. Thanks Jake. That's that's what I

[40:42] need to hear. So I have no further

[40:43] concerns.

[40:45] » Thank you Madam Mayor. This may be a

[40:46] stupid question but don't most driveways

[40:49] intrude upon the public rightway.

[40:53] I mean when they go from the street to

[40:54] the to the house they're going across

[40:57] the public rightway every time.

[40:58] » Right.

[41:00] » So

[41:02] yeah I don't have a problem with it at

[41:03] all. Other questions, discussion points,

[41:05] Russ?

[41:06] » Yeah. Um, so looking at the staff

[41:08] review, the page um, 17, the last

[41:12] paragraph, the city engineer indicated

[41:14] that allowing the proposed patio,

[41:16] stairs, landscaping, and parking

[41:17] improvements within the Pleasant Street

[41:18] rightway is primarily a policy decision,

[41:20] which I agree with. Um, the proposed

[41:23] improvements do not appear to

[41:24] significantly increase existing

[41:26] encroachments and are not anticipated to

[41:27] interfere with future road or utility

[41:29] improvements, which is we've we've been

[41:30] talking a little bit about that.

[41:32] accordingly no objections from an

[41:33] engineering standpoint. So um as it also

[41:36] says in the recommendation one of the

[41:37] council considerations is to make sure

[41:39] that the um you know either in this case

[41:42] the engineer or staff department sign

[41:44] off on this. My concern is two there's

[41:46] twofold. One is that this doesn't appear

[41:50] to create a larger issue than there

[41:52] might already be based on some of the

[41:53] questions are coming from council member

[41:54] Peterson who's you know seen this

[41:56] property for a long time. That would be

[41:58] my concern because you've still got

[42:00] issues going down the hill down to Lake

[42:02] Street as well. So, there's a lot of

[42:04] runoff and there's been issues with

[42:06] properties over on State Street with

[42:07] runoff and I don't know that this

[42:08] contributes to that at all. I'm not

[42:10] saying that. But that's where my concern

[42:12] is. And then if we have sign off from

[42:14] everybody that none of those issues are

[42:15] going to continue to be issues or this

[42:17] is going to contribute to it, then I I

[42:19] will trust the engineering opinion. From

[42:21] a policy standpoint, as I think Jake has

[42:23] mentioned, you know, we have a lot of

[42:26] these situations. I think about the

[42:27] heartscaping over on Simonson. We want

[42:29] to be careful because

[42:32] they put there that hardcaping was put

[42:34] in for I think appearances or aesthetics

[42:37] as opposed to this is for just usability

[42:39] of the property and also protecting the

[42:41] property with the retaining walls etc.

[42:43] So I I just want to make sure that we're

[42:45] not putting ourselves in a position of

[42:46] causing a risk at Simonson or other

[42:48] properties on Park Street or other areas

[42:50] that we have to look at that this is

[42:52] unique enough that we can say this is a

[42:54] very unique permitted right of way,

[42:57] » Right?

[42:57] » And it needs to be done in such a way

[42:59] that it doesn't open us up to risk in

[43:01] other areas.

[43:02] » Is it right above you?

[43:04] » Yes.

[43:05] » So you're hoping that it works, too?

[43:07] [laughter]

[43:07] » Yeah. I mean, obviously the drainage

[43:09] definitely needs to be addressed to make

[43:12] sure um there's no additional problems.

[43:15] Um

[43:16] » I say we actually we discussed all of

[43:18] those concerns as well before kind of

[43:20] putting the report together. Uh

[43:22] specifically the previously denied uh

[43:24] right ofway encroachments. Um and for

[43:26] the reasons you mentioned, we felt that

[43:28] this one could be appropriate from a

[43:29] policy perspective. The notes that the

[43:31] engineer made uh did note the historic

[43:34] uh flooding of the site and just kind of

[43:36] the drainage and how that would work.

[43:37] I'm sure the engineer could make that

[43:39] sound more professional, but uh those

[43:42] were what was noted and so he felt

[43:45] comfortable that it could be addressed.

[43:46] » How did that lawsuit come out?

[43:48] » You remember?

[43:50] » Um I believe um the ones down next door

[43:54] to me won the lawsuit. So they had to

[43:56] fix the drainage issue. So

[44:00] » Other questions?

[44:03] All right.

[44:03] » The only thing I I would just add, you

[44:05] know, mayor and council is just that,

[44:07] you know, the end of the day, I mean,

[44:08] property owners have to understand, too,

[44:10] there's a level of risk here for them,

[44:11] too. And at the end of the day, it still

[44:12] is the city's right away. Um, you know,

[44:15] this is not a permanent in perpetuity

[44:17] type approval. Um, Grayson's going to

[44:20] work with legal to come up with uh

[44:22] pretty probably a pretty robust set of

[44:24] conditions and uh approval criteria here

[44:26] so everybody understands that and what's

[44:28] on that what's on the permit. Um um so

[44:32] you know worst case scenario in the

[44:33] future if there is a need to make some

[44:35] sort of improvements in this area.

[44:37] Obviously, the city will still have a a

[44:38] right uh to do that, but I think your

[44:40] your discussion today actually was was

[44:42] very good as far as uh kind of

[44:44] distinguishing some unique

[44:45] characteristics of the property and how

[44:46] it differs from some others you've

[44:47] denied, as well as some others that you

[44:48] might have to make some changes on uh

[44:50] along Park Street as we get into that

[44:52] project more. So,

[44:55] great. Anything else before we wrap this

[44:57] up? Okay. Um that takes us to the public

[45:01] comment period. Um, anyone in the room

[45:05] wish to make a public comment? Could be

[45:06] about anything at all.

[45:09] Okay. Uh, anyone online wish to make a

[45:12] public comment?

[45:14] » Um, yes.

[45:15] » Oh, yes. Okay.

[45:17] » It's still looking for my hand up there.

[45:22] » There you go.

[45:22] » There he is.

[45:23] » All right.

[45:25] Um, I appreciate the time you everybody.

[45:28] Um, we are definitely, you know, we're

[45:30] wanting to make a large investment in

[45:32] our property there. Um, we are looking

[45:35] forward to enhancing the landscaping and

[45:39] the street. Um, we are, um, this

[45:45] drainage is a huge factor that we are

[45:48] considering with this whole project. Uh

[45:51] right now there's a lot of water that

[45:53] comes directly into our driveway from

[45:55] the street and we have our we have no

[45:58] drainage. Everything is just kind of

[45:59] reabsorbed through the sand there. It's

[46:02] really pretty poor. Um there are

[46:04] drainage lines. So um we are looking to

[46:08] yeah connect to all these drainage lines

[46:11] and make sure everything um drains

[46:13] appropriately. Um, we're looking forward

[46:16] to it and this is our home and looking

[46:19] forward to enhancing it as much as we

[46:20] can. We appreciate your help.

[46:24] » Great. Thank you.

[46:25] » Yeah.

[46:26] » Any other public comments? Yeah.

[46:28] » Add to that as well.

[46:29] » Sure. If you could um say your name and

[46:33] » Yes. My name is Eric Rosendall with

[46:34] Lakeshore Property Services. Uh the

[46:36] contractor looking to do the project at

[46:38] 731 Pleasant. Um yeah, the drainage was

[46:41] a big issue. One of the first things

[46:43] that we looked at, uh, Christopher had

[46:47] let us know, Christopher and Louis had

[46:48] let us know that there was no drainage

[46:50] for the driveway. So, that's why the

[46:52] cement in the driveway be removed so we

[46:54] can put in proper drainage to be able to

[46:57] get that down to the bottom of the hill.

[46:59] Put in some infiltration areas so that

[47:01] we can get that and it's not just

[47:03] running off. Um, the patio area and

[47:06] everything, we know that's going to

[47:07] create more impervious surface uh, with

[47:10] a lower patio area. So, we've got a

[47:12] drainage system planned for that as

[47:14] well, so we can infiltrate and then all

[47:16] the excess water if there is a 7-in

[47:18] flood that can be then piped down to the

[47:21] lower area. Um, we've done these sorts

[47:24] of retaining walls many times. There's a

[47:27] ton of engineering that goes behind

[47:29] them, a ton of grid and uh geoexile

[47:32] fabric. So, it's going to be a very

[47:34] involved process, but we know through

[47:37] all the steps that we've taken in the

[47:38] past that we can make this stable and be

[47:41] able to hold everything in place with

[47:43] whatever water is thrown at it.

[47:45] » Great. Thank you.

[47:46] » Yeah. Any questions?

[47:48] » Okay. Anyone else online?

[47:52] » Okay, that closes public comments. That

[47:54] takes us to council comments. Chris, do

[47:56] you want to start? No comments, mayor.

[47:57] Okay. Gross.

[47:58] » No comments. Thank you,

[48:00] » Scott. Uh just compliments to the

[48:02] branding team on their presentation.

[48:04] » Greg agree.

[48:05] » Uh just uh uh real quick, I would like

[48:07] to um uh uh say congratulations to the

[48:10] property owners and to the uh to our

[48:12] river, the city of Sagatuck for the

[48:14] grant that was received uh from Eagle

[48:17] for the removal of the um the gas tank

[48:20] at River Market, what we knew as River

[48:22] Market. They received a $1 million grant

[48:24] from Eagle to remove that and clean up

[48:26] that mess. and which is great news for

[48:29] the property owner, but I think it's

[48:30] also good news for the residents here

[48:32] and for the uh health of our river. So,

[48:35] I think that was a great thing and and

[48:38] uh just wanted to denote that.

[48:39] » Great. Thanks, Gregory.

[48:41] » Nothing further, Mayor.

[48:42] » Yeah, I'm just going to say one more

[48:44] time, I love the logo. I think it was

[48:45] great work. Very creative. It's always

[48:49] it's just great to see it come together

[48:50] and I'm excited. So, with that, who

[48:53] would like to make a motion to adjurnn?

[48:55] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn.

[48:56] » Second. All in favor say yes. Yes.

City Council Workshop Meeting 8.19.26

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