[0:30] say blue.

[0:35] » Hit red and you're live. >> Yes.

[0:55] instructions

[0:59] table.

[1:04] » Is this how we talk?

[1:11] » Okay.

[1:32] That's what it that's really >> but just having the rules

[1:54] But that neighborhood is

[2:09] after

[2:28] Yeah, but it's really

[2:40] anyway agreement

[2:53] to be successful. And that's what the money's for.

[2:58] » A little bit of a good tick off.

[3:10] » I don't think he's okay.

[3:23] Okay, that was the question, right?

[3:39] in our HOA is doing a lot of legal beagle stuff. So, it's

[3:44] » Yeah. No, >> it was our

[3:57] » Sorry, I didn't I have a table full. everybody around the table. We have the

[4:04] six, seven, eight year old and all the parents and everything in my house. So,

[4:11] I had to hustle. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[4:17] » And that's pretty cool. I love it. So,

[4:32] Usually I have Oh, I want to do I have one minute.

[4:43] » Bernie, >> Dennis, welcome.

[4:53] » I mean,

[4:56] I'm not missing

[5:02] It's just been a busy day. >> I think

[5:05] » Okay, it is six o'clock. >> Pardon me.

[5:11] » Okay. >> Okay. It's 6 o'clock. So, I'll call this

[5:15] Wednesday, March 4th, 2026, uh, board of trustee studies session to

[5:22] order, and the clerk call the role. President Brown

[5:26] » here. >> Trustees Donaldson

[5:29] » here. >> Dyra

[5:31] Camper >> here.

[5:34] » Mangan >> here.

[5:36] » Seaner faick

[5:38] » here.

[5:48] » Okay. Um I'm just going to skip ahead. If people

[5:53] haven't noticed, we have a new um mic system here that you have to push

[6:00] in order to be heard. I guess red is constantly on,

[6:05] so you have to take it off and then blue is push to talk, but then it comes off.

[6:11] Just so everybody's aware.

[6:15] Okay, we'll move on to public comment. Uh if anybody has any comment uh please

[6:21] step up to the mic. You'll have five minutes. I'll let you know if you go

[6:25] over five minutes. But uh anybody have any comments.

[6:30] Please uh state your name for the clerk so she can put it down in the minutes.

[6:35] » Good evening. My name is Emily Close. I'm a longtime resident of Champagne and

[6:40] I'm here to ask you to proceed thoughtfully with the dockless bike

[6:44] sharing program. Champagne has had this program since I believe 2019.

[6:50] And I have lived in Champagne for 32 years. And I've noticed that these

[6:54] wheelbikes, these ebikes are left everywhere, often to the detriment of

[6:59] pedestrians who are trying to walk safely on the sidewalks, joggers,

[7:04] runners, dog walkers, regular old pedal bicyclists, older people or infirmed

[7:09] people using wheelchairs, canes, or walkers. Visually impaired people.

[7:14] Little kids that play on sidewalks. People just out for a stroll. People

[7:19] walking to work. people pushing a baby carriage. All of us deserve to safely

[7:24] use the infrastructure of our towns. That safety is compromised when ebikes

[7:29] are abandoned on sidewalks and left for us to trip over. Second, these vehicles

[7:35] are a silent danger. You can't hear them when they come up behind you and try to

[7:40] run you off the sidewalk. A VOE bike is a motorized vehicle with a throttle.

[7:46] They're not cute little toys for children to ride. They're more like

[7:51] motorcycles, so they can go fast, and you can't see them at night, and you

[7:55] certainly can't see them or hear them when they're weaving through traffic.

[7:59] Third, if you bring 250 VE bikes into Seavoi, how are you going to monitor the

[8:06] program? Champagne does not, in my experience, adequately monitor their

[8:11] program. For example, the Champagne Planning Department has told me

[8:16] repeatedly over the years to call VO with my concerns about safety.

[8:21] Well, the company is less than helpful. The CSRs who answer the phones are many

[8:26] states away, California, Utah. No one who answers the phones is local. So

[8:33] those reps know nothing about Seavoi, Champagne, or Illinois for that matter.

[8:39] and supervisors are never available. BO's stated MO is for the CSR to send an

[8:45] email to someone locally who might be dispatched to pick up the errant bike to

[8:50] recirculate it or the bike might sit there indefinitely blocking the sidewalk

[8:55] or street due to VO's apparent staff shortage. In my experience,

[9:00] accountability from VO to the town's people and the communities they serve is

[9:04] scant. Fourth, the business model of VO is archaic. Like Blanch Dubois, Veale

[9:12] relies on the kindness of strangers. Strangers like Joe and Jane Citizen are

[9:18] asked to call Veo at 8558362256

[9:23] and report its abandoned and compromised ebikes so they can be picked up and

[9:27] recirculated because VO just doesn't keep track of its own vehicles. Over the

[9:33] years, I've seen VOE bikes and champagne and Urbana turned upside down and

[9:38] abandoned in private yards and public parks, strewn across sidewalks, thrown

[9:43] in the boneyard, frozen to the ground in the winter, and I even saw one in a

[9:48] tree. They're an eyesore and a menace unless the program is stringently

[9:53] monitored from the get-go. Seavoy trustees, I hope before you proceed with

[9:59] the implementation of this program, you consider all viewpoints, including mine.

[10:04] I ask that you require VO to closely monitor the location of its vehicles so

[10:08] they are moved and recirculated quickly. Demand statistics from them on how

[10:14] quickly these vehicles are actually picked up. Make citizen safety the

[10:18] cornerstone of the policy you put in place for any micromobility program like

[10:23] this. We all want to feel safe when we're outside using the city's streets

[10:27] and sidewalks. That's really not asking too much.

[10:35] » Thank you. Is there any other public comment?

[10:40] I see Teddy Davis walking up. My name's Ted Davis. I live at 409

[10:47] Graham Drive in Seavoi, which is at the corner of Graham and Prospect, and

[10:53] you're thinking about putting a three-way stop, or you call it a hallway

[10:57] stop at that point. That would be a very good thing. It would obviously help me,

[11:03] but I don't worry about me. when you have your biggest problem is when you

[11:07] have a meeting or something across the street on weekends.

[11:11] You've taken the parking off of Prospect, which has helped considerably.

[11:16] But at that corner, you've got one that goes flying right on through and you got

[11:22] two others that stop. They people that are on Graham Drive cannot see Prospect

[11:28] until they almost get out on to it. anything coming from the south and if

[11:33] you think they don't go around that corner pretty fast you're wrong during

[11:37] the day and def definitely when you have a convention or something across the way

[11:43] like they do on weekends. So I would recommend that it would be good for you

[11:48] to slow that traffic up a little bit there. Thank you.

[12:00] Is there any other public comment?

[12:16] » Okay. I know you just uh walked in, so you get five minutes. So

[12:21] » the assumption today that we put this stop sign at Graham and whatever that

[12:27] street is and I think it's needed and I came here tonight expecting it to be

[12:35] done on that night and I was not I am not impressed that on my information.

[12:44] So, I think we need the street sign. And that's all I need to know.

[12:57] Okay. Is there any other public comment?

[13:01] Okay. Seeing none, we'll move on to president's remarks. Going to go ahead

[13:05] and turn this over to Andy to introduce our

[13:09] newest employee. >> Thank you, Mr. President. Um, I'm

[13:11] honored here tonight to introduce Scott Batty, uh, who's in the audience, uh, is

[13:16] our new communications, um, manager. Scott, uh, as many of you know, is a

[13:21] media professional with nearly two decades of experience in the area. As a

[13:25] seasoned broadcaster, he's probably best known in the community for coverage and

[13:29] broadcasting of UFI athletics, but he also brings expertise in media

[13:34] relations. With a background as a former news reporter with WDWS and the News

[13:39] Gazette, Scott has a working knowledge of local government. Uh he's also hosted

[13:43] numerous news and talk programs, conducting interviews with elected

[13:46] officials and local leaders, including a few probably even in this room. Uh as a

[13:52] bonus, Scott and his wife Christina have been Seavoy residents for over 10 years

[13:55] along with their two children. Uh and Scott wanted me to let you know their

[13:59] two cats. Uh Christina is a tenure professor at Parkland College in

[14:03] chemistry and a foreign excuse me in chemistry and forensic science. Uh

[14:08] before his time in media, Scott had experience in campus ministry and music.

[14:13] Um in his spare time, Scott has lots of hobbies. Uh I won't go into them, but uh

[14:18] he likes coffee and running and I think that's what we need to know the most. So

[14:22] um Scott has been a great addition to our organization just in the last few

[14:26] weeks. his experience um provides uh countless opportunities for us to expand

[14:31] our communications and media work and we're excited to have him.

[14:37] » It is a part-time position. That is accurate. Yes.

[14:42] » Um anybody have any comments at all? >> All righty.

[14:51] I do cannot think of any other announcements. Can you think of any?

[14:57] » No, your honor. >> Uh, we'll move on to uh discussion

[15:02] items. Uh, staff reports. We'll let the sheriff's office go first.

[15:09] » Thank you. Uh, good evening, Seth Her with the sheriff's office.

[15:14] » Nothing major to report to you guys. Obviously, uh, coming up here in the end

[15:18] of April is going to be the Illinois Marathon that does come through Savoi.

[15:22] Uh we've already had early uh planning stages with that uh with uh Chief Smith

[15:26] with the fire department and Roland White with the uh public works. So

[15:30] that's in in the uh process beginning stages with that. So we're looking

[15:33] forward to another successful uh marathon this year.

[15:38] Uh any questions for the sheriff's office?

[15:44] Yep. We'll move on to our uh monthly

[15:49] financial reports.

[15:57] first.

[16:01] » Hello, Mr. President, and good evening, board of trustees. Um, I'll talk about

[16:06] the treasures report real quick. First, um,

[16:11] as compared to last month, we have a little bit more money on hand. Um, and

[16:16] we're sitting at about $20 million. Um items of interest that might that

[16:22] might be of interest to you on the dispersements are um a few project

[16:30] related things that Roland's been working on. We've dispersed and this is

[16:33] in January. We've dispersed $27,000 uh towards the Prairie Fields uh

[16:38] multi-use path which is also funded by the ITP grant. Um

[16:46] and

[16:50] We dispersed uh six about just under $70,000 for the first street bridge

[16:54] improvement. And worth noting is that the city of Champagne, I believe it is,

[16:58] reimbured us for 50% of that. We also dispersed um 91 almost 92,000 for the I

[17:06] do uh route 45 resurface project which was our share our cost share of that

[17:11] project. Um, and on the whole looks like we spent

[17:17] about $449,000. Everything else was just u your typical

[17:22] operating expenses. Do you have any questions?

[17:27] » Hey, any questions for Jolene?

[17:33] » Do what? What do you say?

[17:38] Oh,

[17:46] » do you want me to do the investment report now?

[17:48] » Yeah. >> Okay. So, we also have the quarterly

[17:50] investment report. Um, we have about $20 million invested at this time, which is

[17:56] about 99.2% of all cash on hand.

[18:00] Um bear with me

[18:06] of that 20 million about 19,000 or 19 million 19.2 million is available. It's

[18:14] very liquid. We can uh withdraw that anytime that we want to.

[18:18] As you see on page five, you can see the quarterly I'm comparing three quarters

[18:23] of Q3 on a fiscal year basis and uh the interest earnings basically investment

[18:30] earnings continue to go up. However, I do expect to see that to start dropping

[18:34] because um as you'd expect the interest rates are dropping. Um,

[18:41] if you look at page six, you can see that on this bar chart that we've

[18:46] continued to go up and now we're starting to see a little bit of drop.

[18:49] That's a little bit because of rates and also we're going to start seeing more

[18:52] money go out the door as we start working on Curtis Road. Um,

[18:58] right now we're averaging about $13,000 a month from interest income on CDs and

[19:04] then uh the remainder is all on um pulled investments with Illinois funds.

[19:13] I also have noted in here that we would look at other ways to invest our money.

[19:17] Um, I did look into treasuries last month to see if that would make us any

[19:21] more money. And to be honest, Illinois Funds actually earns us more money and

[19:25] the money is more liquid than it would be if I put it into treasuries. So, um,

[19:31] I think that's it. Do you guys have any questions for me?

[19:41] Okay. >> Thank you.

[19:43] Yeah. So, we'll we'll put together

[20:06] ahead. >> Um, so we just wrapped up obviously the

[20:12] third quarter. So, uh, we're getting to that time of year where our budget comes

[20:16] down to a lot of reallocations. Um, we had about seven this last quarter. Um,

[20:22] which really isn't too too bad. Um, some of that was because of some projects

[20:27] again that we are doing. Uh, mainly the downtown demolition to get that started.

[20:32] Um, there weren't really any big budget

[20:36] increases or decreases. We're kind of on par.

[20:40] And then um you'll note on the budget impact um you if you look closely at the

[20:46] budget report that you were given the uh fire shift wages are above and beyond

[20:51] what we expected. That is because when we initially budgeted we did not expect

[20:56] the shift wages to be completely full as they are. So we're blessed that they're

[21:00] really full but we also really didn't think that they would be. So, um, but

[21:05] we're going to make that up through some different reallocations and, um, any

[21:10] money that comes in for the fire, um, with their lift assist and the fire

[21:14] subscriptions, that will all go towards that overage. So, it'll all be fine in

[21:18] the end. Um, and because of those shift wages, that also makes our social

[21:22] security go up as well. It's kind of a reciprocal

[21:26] kind of thing. Um, and then unfortunately the poor fire department

[21:30] has had its share of uh grand repairs this year. Um, and that's something that

[21:35] we can't do anything about. It just happens. So, we just kind of go with the

[21:38] flow and find the money where we can to make that happen. Um, other than that, I

[21:43] think everything's pretty much on par. Does anyone have any questions?

[21:51] » All right. Fantastic. Thank you. Sure.

[22:09] Uh I think you saw in the draft budget we're u looking at uh purchasing a new

[22:14] street sweeper and we're very thankful for that if it comes to fruition because

[22:19] uh current one was down uh I think over three months this year for repairs and

[22:24] uh That's one of our most popular needed services. Curtis Rud was mentioned. Um

[22:29] we're making good progress there and uh rightway acquisition is is slated to

[22:35] begin in the very near future. We had to um jump several hurdles with IDOT and

[22:40] Federal Highway before that could begin and we're very close. So that's going to

[22:43] start. We've had some very good meetings with the university and Canadian

[22:47] National Railroad. And as I mentioned before, we got a $3.3 million ID do

[22:52] grant that's helped us out quite a bit and uh we're planning to come back on

[22:56] that study session plan for later this summer. So that concludes my update.

[23:05] questions.

[23:09] » I I'll just uh relay to you that I've had uh and I did relay one conversation

[23:14] where people are concerned about streets being swept and um I've probably

[23:20] had three people approach me about that. It's probably the time of year where

[23:24] debris is in the streets and people are concerned about storm water. So, just

[23:30] relaying that. >> Good to know.

[23:45] Sorry. Okay. So, the community and economic development uh quarter 3

[23:48] department community development. Uh we've had two planning and zoning cases.

[23:54] Um both uh have been approved it appears.

[24:01] Sorry. the comprehensive plan update. Uh we closed out closed the survey uh

[24:09] January 1st. It seems there were 302 total responses. 87% of that was

[24:16] submitted by village residents. Um we are going to be continuing with that. Uh

[24:21] working towards using the data we've collected from that

[24:26] and um creating a draft report soon. Um Ory the building safety super advisor is

[24:34] going he's working on uh getting our code compliance updated. Uh that final

[24:41] report I'm sorry final meeting should be taken in

[24:48] should be done in early April is what this says. So, he's planning on having

[24:53] that uh and we then we should be able to come forward with

[24:59] our the final report for you to vote on in early April um for economic

[25:06] development. In quarter three, we approved oh two uh

[25:13] building and property enhancement grants, the BPG grants. um one for

[25:18] Massage Envy for a new sign and one for 411 Claridan Court which is building um

[25:24] behind it's the State Farm agent is there. Some of the other it's a it's a

[25:29] multi- office building. They're going to be improving the sidewalk as well as uh

[25:35] some of the brick facade potentially if they have the the funds to cover both of

[25:40] those. So um those things are what has happened in quarter three and

[25:47] That's all I've got. So, any questions?

[25:57] » Sorry.

[26:02] » Uh just a few key highlights. Uh we did have our record calendar year for calls

[26:07] uh that happened during quarter 3. Uh I think some of you saw social media posts

[26:11] on that. Uh call volume is up and continuing to trend up. Uh the other big

[26:16] change there was a federal change from Nifers infers uh to NERS. So some of the

[26:22] data looks a little different the names. Um there will be some more uh graphs and

[26:27] other things included in future reports from that new NERS data. So that is all

[26:32] I have.

[26:38] » Um I see that the shifts are getting filled. And so it appears that you have

[26:43] sufficient uh co per personnel coverage for needs but also that needs have has

[26:50] risen. So do you still feel comfortable with what we have set?

[26:57] » Yeah. So all of our shifts um for the last several months have been filled

[27:00] which is a great thing. There are times that we get multiple calls at once. Um,

[27:04] so there's not a guarantee that others will be available. Uh, but we do our

[27:09] best and uh, I think we're in a pretty good spot with staffing currently.

[27:14] » What came first particular VA? Did the staff the shifts fill first or did the

[27:19] increase calls which created a need for shift fil?

[27:23] » Uh, shifts filled first. Um we've been very lucky and blessed that they have

[27:28] been filled and then call volume has increased

[27:32] » volume

[27:37] » over the long run. Yes. But in the short term, uh, shifts have been filled for

[27:41] quite some time.

[27:55] There we go.

[28:14] » Just a just a comment. I do like some of the new uh data that's in the report

[28:17] coming out of the the new federal system. The map is quite interesting too

[28:21] to see where where you guys are going. Obviously I know of some of those

[28:25] because they're larger incidents as we're going further away but uh it's

[28:28] very interesting how I mean obviously much of it concentrated in SEO but you

[28:33] guys are helping a lot of folks out around the county

[28:36] » and you'll see uh increased data as we get more familiar with that software to

[28:40] give you more information.

[28:44] Do the are the lifts included in medical, no emergency or both?

[28:49] » Uh the lifts if they are just a lift assist would be the non-emergency. If we

[28:54] go there for a lift assist and it turns into a medical then it would be

[28:56] classified under medical.

[29:00] » Yep. Uh I I will say quite often we're dispatched for things that we are

[29:04] completely different than when we get there. So

[29:06] » Okay. I I think the sheriff's office would

[29:09] probably agree with that's countywide and nothing wrong with the dispatchers

[29:13] or anything like that. People just don't always give the best information over

[29:16] the phone and we find a lot a lot of different things.

[29:25] » Thank you, Sam. >> Uh Nick.

[29:34] » All right. Hi. Um, so this last quarter we saw again tons of usage at the rec

[29:39] center. Um, uh, pretty much record numbers through quarter three and that

[29:43] continued into February this year. We're in the middle of kind of special event

[29:47] season for us. Um, we went New Year's Eve to mother son uh, daddy daughter

[29:53] dance, mother son Nerf war. On Friday we're going to have the St. Patrick's

[29:57] Day festival. Then in April we'll have the doggy Easter egg hunt. And so all

[30:01] those things are very wellreceived, um, very popular, all those sorts of things.

[30:04] And so then on top of that you also see events coming to us like the CU craft

[30:08] fair which also saw booming numbers and everything. So so most of the things

[30:12] over there are are are pretty highly anticipated and attended and happy to

[30:17] answer any questions.

[30:22] » Hey Nick, I see your your uh staff has got a pretty active social media

[30:27] presence. Some of the stuff's pretty cute. It's funny funny to watch.

[30:30] I I didn't see a uh views or a click count or maybe that's a Scott thing to

[30:36] to put in to to see are we driving traffic. Are folks using it more? Right.

[30:40] I mean the >> obviously older folks maybe like some of

[30:44] us sitting around here aren't as as keen on following the social media, but with

[30:49] with kids still around, I can I can see that you guys are doing some some

[30:53] innovative things in that area and getting getting the word out about the

[30:56] events that are going on. one of the pictures of the, you know, whether it's

[30:59] the line dancing or the moms and sons shooting each other with Nerf is pretty

[31:04] cool to see. So >> yeah, no, our social media has become

[31:06] very popular. I don't have the numbers in front of me on how how much it's

[31:09] increased or those sorts of things, but I can get those and put those in the

[31:12] next report so that you guys have that. But but yeah, it is. And Ireland is

[31:15] doing an amazing job with that. And I keep getting brought back to how my

[31:19] goldfish has died and people keep talking about that video on on social

[31:21] media. So, you know, breaks my heart a little bit.

[31:27] I don't know if this is a question. It's more to relay a comment that the um that

[31:33] facility has ended up being very popular and well used across all age groups and

[31:40] despite any topic of whether it's an exercise class or raetball or using the

[31:48] walking track above all area or individual classes or the weight room.

[31:53] It seems always to my eye well received and filled.

[31:58] » There's no question. We try and use every square inch of that building and

[32:01] it is well used and well loved.

[32:06] » Any other questions?

[32:12] » We are done.

[32:36] Now, this was uh I asked Andy to look into this when he first came here. As

[32:42] you can have all seen, we've had these bikes that are left uh

[32:49] wherever in the village. Uh they've never bothered to get an agreement with

[32:54] the village of Seavoi. In fact, when we called, they weren't even aware there

[32:59] was a village of Seavoy. So, um, so, um, I wanted to at least let the board

[33:09] decide whether or not even want an agreement. I would say that if we decide

[33:14] not to get an agreement with them that we need to have a procedure in place or

[33:19] pass an ordinance so that we can collect those uh scooters when they're left

[33:25] abandoned like we see them so often. Um so that that we can collect fines on

[33:32] those and and we have some power to do something about it. So, but I'll turn

[33:36] this over to Andy for now and and uh but uh my intention to let the board decide

[33:42] what you guys want to do. >> Thank you, Mr. President. As you noted,

[33:46] um we've seen a dockless bike share um in the community for years and also as

[33:52] you noted um we had to provide a um map lesson to to Voride specifically because

[33:58] they didn't even recognize Seavo as an individual community. So what's been

[34:01] happening for years is that riders um ride in the city of Champagne, the city

[34:06] of Urbana, and the University of Illinois, and they clearly ride to

[34:09] Seavoy where they're even they're coming to shop, they're coming um home, or

[34:14] they're coming to visit friends. And so what we recognize is that we needed a

[34:18] form for format to regulate these bikes. Uh currently we have no avenue to ensure

[34:23] that if bikes are being used improperly, if they're being parked illegally, uh we

[34:29] really have no way to to regulate that, but also no way to recoup the costs of

[34:34] the village doing the work to address that problem. And so uh this uh addition

[34:39] to village code ultimately provides a regulatory format for us to follow. It's

[34:44] virtually identical as what the city of Champagne and Urbana have as well as the

[34:48] U ofi. It allows us to uh ensure that uh we address the issues that I think have

[34:54] been presented to you this evening. Um we receive data related to writership um

[35:01] and then we are able to recoup the costs associated with the work that we may

[35:05] have to do to address issues that are faced uh in the future. And um you know

[35:11] the reality here is that um many of these bikes are used for entertainment

[35:16] but also many of them are used for transportation and we know that people

[35:20] are using them to go to work from either Seavoi to uh Champagne or Urbana or from

[35:26] Champagne and Urbana to Seavoi. And so there's value in them. Uh we need to be

[35:32] able to regulate them and ensure that they're used safely uh and address

[35:36] problems. and and this um this addition to V Village village code ultimately

[35:40] does that.

[35:44] » Okay, I'm going to Heather I see your hand up first or

[35:49] » Well, thank you. I I have some questions and we did hear some comments and

[35:54] concerns of someone who has had experience with them. I do know that we

[35:59] have a lot of pedestrians in Seavoi all times of day and night. They use the

[36:06] walking paths and I do have the concern that

[36:11] the scooters or the bikes are so silent and they can go very quickly but people

[36:17] are on them whether we have an agreement with

[36:21] uh these bikes or not. They are part of how everything is shifting. I think

[36:28] knowing that I will say the bikes from campus th those bigger bikes are very

[36:34] heavy. you can hardly move them. I've tried to move some off the path when

[36:38] people have left them there. Um, so addressing getting them picked up and

[36:44] response time and those things might be something we need to look at and if

[36:50] there's some recourse if they don't get picked up in a certain amount of time.

[36:55] And also then I think looking at where they can be ridden on something that a

[37:00] pedestrian might be on and where they we could ask people to dismount or ride in

[37:07] the street instead. Some rules I think and whether we can legally make those

[37:13] rules um are things we should consider. >> I just wanted to add uh something while

[37:21] I'm thinking about it. uh scooters of that nature are not allowed in the

[37:26] village in the corporate limit. So the village unless the village passes

[37:30] ordinance to allow number one geo um boide

[37:36] should have the ability to put a geoence on their scooters.

[37:41] » Okay. >> Not so there won't operate within the

[37:44] village if we choose to go that route. >> Okay.

[37:47] » They haven't chosen to do that up to this point but we were in discussions

[37:50] with them >> bicycles. there.

[37:52] » Uh anyway, I'll let uh Larry >> Okay, bear with me.

[37:57] » I may get a little granular on this. Um a couple years ago, I had in front of my

[38:04] place of business, I had a VO bike for three weeks. The village couldn't get it

[38:09] moved. It was sitting out there. Um I woke up, you know, it was a really

[38:17] foggy day today. We all woke up to this foggy day and I

[38:22] was going down Curtis Road at 45. That's because I was going the speed limit

[38:31] and all of a sudden out of the fog comes is this this bike in the middle of the

[38:37] bike path and that that could be very very

[38:42] dangerous. It was just sitting there and I have a picture of it. Um, I circle

[38:47] back in order to get a picture of it. Um, so that's kind of where I'm, you

[38:52] know, I I'm I'm looking at this through I don't know if you call it rosecolored

[38:57] glasses, but I've kind of gone through some of this. Um, I I do this is a great

[39:03] framework. I think I do like the idea of having the bikes in the village. Um but

[39:10] there's a few things that at and bear with me.

[39:16] Um um so on e data sharing and

[39:21] accountability um

[39:25] um let's see I'm sorry I'm sorry um hold on a second.

[39:34] Um, it would be nice to know, you know, we talked about Champagne and Urbana

[39:39] have these agreements, so it's similar to their agreements. I would assume that

[39:44] we could get their track record on the reports and solving reports of bikes

[39:49] that are um abandoned like how long does it take? Is it 10 hours, 30 hours? In in

[39:56] fact, what is it really uh what is the actual track record? Because like I say,

[40:02] I I saw this three weeks and now if you go on Curtis, well, let me ask, is there

[40:07] a VO representative here tonight? >> There is not. Not to my knowledge.

[40:12] Unless Nick's moonlighting, I'd say no. >> And why not? I mean, I'm sorry, but

[40:19] Okay. So, um, is that going to be on Curtis Road for three weeks in the bike

[40:26] path? Um, let's see. Um

[40:32] then just going down the list here. Um there's equity access considerations.

[40:38] I'm just cons I mean that's we're talking about reduced cost memberships.

[40:44] I'd want to know kind of what that what that means. Um and you know who's who's

[40:50] that available to. Um so in two

[40:56] where it says potential board of trustees actions um some of the

[41:02] additional information would be some of the data from champagne. Um

[41:07] what are some of the fine amounts? You know I think later it says there's a

[41:13] $100 uh maximum. Um

[41:19] and then in in some of the details of that um let's see

[41:26] uh it says that they have to replenish the

[41:30] deposit. There's a $1,000 deposit. Um that could be I don't know if that could

[41:36] be a year before they replenish it. It it's not clear. I would say we'd have to

[41:42] put in like it would have to be replenished in 20 days or something like

[41:45] that. Um and um

[41:52] uh let's see going farther

[41:58] and uh each bike company on chapter 54080

[42:04] um D remove any and I appreciate that that

[42:10] they would need to remove any improperly dockless spikes within 3 hours of

[42:15] notification. Um, how is that notification? What's the

[42:20] the the actual way of notifying? Um, and how is that documented so that we know

[42:28] with that it's within 3 hours. Um, but I like that that in there. I think

[42:34] that would help us. Maybe you know they are very technologically savvy. Maybe

[42:40] within the app um they could there could be something saying that that uh I mean

[42:47] they they could be notified and assuming they have an employee that they

[42:54] could remove it within 3 hours. Um let's see.

[42:59] Um,

[43:03] and the other thing is, um, if we have to

[43:09] remove those bikes, I would like to think that we would get reimbursed for

[43:13] public works this time to remove those bikes. And I think that could be in

[43:16] there. >> I believe that is. Is it?

[43:19] » I believe that is in there. And then that's how we would then take their

[43:22] deposit and then they would have to replenish that deposit. So, the deposit

[43:26] is intended to allow us to recoup costs associated with those types of things

[43:33] that you just mentioned. >> Okay. Um

[43:37] um and then um

[43:41] take Okay. uh prior to the on B page nine

[43:47] prior to the imposition of any fine on a bike company suspending a bike company's

[43:51] license for a spec for specific period or revoking the license of village shall

[43:57] provide written notice of violation that gets a little cumbersome for us

[44:03] for that written notification. Um, if you're talking fine, that's different

[44:10] than suspending a license. So, I don't know if we can if we can

[44:15] fine them without going through the long process of written notification.

[44:21] » I think the answer there is yes. >> Okay. And that's what I, you know, other

[44:25] than that other than that we're great. But I

[44:28] » other than that, Lincoln, how was the play? Right. Yeah.

[44:31] » Right. But that but everything in my mind in

[44:36] summary is like I'd like to see more stat some statistics define the process

[44:40] a little bit better and I'm looking at it most important from what I see on

[44:47] Curtis Road and and I would I'm just going to say everyone here check it out

[44:53] in about a week or two or three maybe the bike's going

[44:58] to be there still. Well, and I think to your point, I mean, as it stands now, we

[45:02] have no ability to enforce, right? And so, no, and the president mentioned,

[45:08] right, if if you so choose to not pursue this, we can um work with VO and any

[45:13] other company that comes into the community and geoence the village of

[45:16] Seavoy off. That is my expectation is something they'd be able to do. Um, but

[45:22] without a framework to address these issues, you're right, that bike could

[45:28] potentially be on Curtis Road um, indefinitely.

[45:32] » To reiterate, I like that frame framework with a few.

[45:36] » Understood. >> Yeah, I think the framework is useful.

[45:39] And just to let people know, people are using those bikes. Um, it's not uncommon

[45:44] for me to see that. Uh so we're they're already using the bikes and we don't

[45:50] have the the structure to be able to um impose the fine or whatever. Uh one that

[45:58] I called in was gone in two days. So I haven't experienced the same

[46:02] frustrations maybe other people have. Wasn't three hours but it was not. Um

[46:08] and some of them are very heavy if you try to move them which I'm I'm wondering

[46:13] if we enter in this and It would be a very useful thing. There might be some

[46:18] tool that public works could purchase to help reduce the strain on themselves if

[46:25] they have to move those bikes. That's something to look at too, just to help

[46:30] our public works if in case of times they might need to intercede.

[46:36] The reality is we're very close to Champagne and Urbana and campus and um

[46:43] many of the people I know and have experience with are employed in those

[46:48] places and they would use those bikes.

[46:55] » I

[46:58] couple thoughts piggybacking on what Trusty Mang just said. It is my

[47:03] understanding based on what you did say is that we don't have to have an

[47:07] agreement for any random person to call the number on the bike to have it

[47:11] removed. That's part one. Part two, it sounds like there are varying degrees of

[47:16] how quickly they remove those bikes. Part three. I know that the village, at

[47:23] least staff way back when this began, would periodically have a cluster of

[47:29] those bikes back in public works. And at some point, the company would come find

[47:36] out they've got a cluster of bikes. Where are they? We'd like to retrieve

[47:40] them. So, they have a way of tracking them. I'm not sure if the battery runs

[47:43] down, if they can't track them, but I know there's a way of tracking them.

[47:47] My only concern would be if we have an agreement, how enforcable is it and how

[47:54] do does the company react to that enforcement per se in writing and say,

[48:00] you know, Aquatch obviously or champagne and campus have these agreements already

[48:05] and there are issues. So I am not I'm I would say I'm sure that ha just

[48:12] having an agreement isn't going to fix some of the bad you know players that we

[48:17] have around the build of suboid and champana campus area. So those are my

[48:23] only thoughts. There are a lot of them. Um, but those have been my thoughts

[48:27] since basically day one knowing that the village didn't have an agreement and the

[48:31] other communities did and also that they are struggling with those enforcement

[48:37] pieces of those agreements. I do want to add or thought about it,

[48:43] but uh Christopher and I uh called the company

[48:48] uh probably a year before Andy got here and we were given a contact and an email

[48:54] to report um bikes that we saw to have them removed. And we were assured at

[49:01] that time that they would be removed within 24 hours. And

[49:07] it happened for a little while, but as we all know that we can see the bikes

[49:13] sitting the same spot for days at a time. Um, and it's really happened even

[49:19] before there was scooters when it was bikes on campus. You'd see the bikes

[49:23] just left wherever the people decided to leave. So, um, anyway, I wanted to add

[49:29] that, Bill. in the I I know in the the proposed ordinance uh that there is an

[49:37] opportunity to establish you know the geo fencing

[49:42] uh does that include I was not exactly sure and maybe it needs to go it's part

[49:46] of the agreement uh where they can park because I know certain of these you know

[49:54] I've used these services all over the country um and there have been some

[49:59] places you go like when you go to step off your scooter. If you're not in a

[50:03] geoenced area that says you can leave it here as the rider, you get charged like

[50:09] 15 20 bucks. Are they doing that? Would they or would they be willing to do that

[50:13] in Seavoy that says these are our parking areas? And if you don't leave

[50:17] it, park it in a parking area, it's an opportunity for for the company

[50:23] to get revenue from the rider because we're then going to go out and pick it

[50:28] up and we're going to charge them 100 bucks, right? So, they're going to want

[50:31] to to know that there's enough I I I want to make sure that that framework

[50:35] for geo fencing approved parking locations so that they're not sitting an

[50:41] approved parking location is this is not going to be an approved parking

[50:44] location. This will be geoenced for operation. It's kind of funny. I was I

[50:48] actually just opened the VO app and um their geoence of of where they're

[50:52] allowed includes all of Seavoy. Uh kind of gets really weird around the golf

[50:58] course. They've got some things geopenced off mostly the driving range,

[51:02] but it's it's a bit odd and it stops at the interstate on the on the uh west

[51:06] side and you know east side. It's it's it's pretty jagged and goes different

[51:10] places. But the entirety of Seavoy is geofenced in for operation.

[51:16] But can we I know many of the services allow geofencing appropriate pickup and

[51:22] drop off. And if we could do that and say, you know, we're going to have an

[51:28] area at Walmart and an area at the various stores area in front of the

[51:32] certain, you know, some of the the apartment buildings or or key places,

[51:37] and this is where you park them. And then when you're done, you need to go to

[51:41] one of those parking locations. And and I know that it's enforcable. When I was

[51:45] in Tahoe, California, my wife and I had scooters. We had a blast riding around

[51:49] Tahoe and and the scooters. But I went to I I was like four feet away from the

[51:55] painted area on the sidewalk where it said you could leave it. And it told me

[51:59] if you don't move this over, I'm charging you. I can't remember how much

[52:02] it was, but it's it's real money that that they're getting from the riders

[52:06] because those municipalities enforce. They will send somebody out if you're

[52:11] not parked in the appropriate area, they send somebody out from the city and then

[52:14] those companies are going to get charged. Um, you know, we had a we had

[52:17] public comment tonight from somebody who was cautioning us, right, based on, you

[52:22] know, experience in Champagne. Quite frankly, it's no different than the

[52:25] experience we've got in Subway. Uh but but at the end of the day, the

[52:29] enforcement of this ordinance is entirely going to be up to what we if if

[52:36] we pass this ordinance and then don't do anything about either going and

[52:39] collecting them, moving them, what have you, and charging them $100 every time

[52:44] we do it, they will continue to do what they've always done. But if it starts to

[52:48] cost them, and I do, you know, Larry mentioned, uh, we do need payment terms

[52:54] on the replenishment, you know, but we're going to give you notice and, you

[52:58] know, net 15, you got to have the, you know, money back in our bank account and

[53:03] and these things are, you know, should be non-negotiable, but it I think

[53:07] there's an opportunity to set an enforcement standard. Maybe

[53:11] that's different than what the university is doing and that will change

[53:15] how VO operates within the village limits and and I you know it's up to us

[53:20] to either make that happen or if we don't make it happen if we don't send

[53:24] people out to go pick them up because they haven't been picked up in three

[53:27] hours and it's during peak hours they're they'll continue to do what they've

[53:33] always done unless we do something to change their behavior. I do agree

[53:37] putting this in place. I think without a framework, the only thing we've got to

[53:42] do is is to go pick them up and store them in the back 40 and then they get

[53:46] mad when they got to go collect them all. But we really don't have a

[53:50] mechanism to to find them or or have I I would rather have an ordinance in place

[53:55] where we control it. But I would like to see specific geo fencing of appropriate

[54:00] parking locations to be written into those agreements. I mean, I'm seeing

[54:05] that the language kind of might be there under the authority of the community

[54:09] kind of development, but might that might need to be

[54:13] strengthened a little bit for geopencing.

[54:15] » One of the challenges, if I may, to that, and I agree, in the city of

[54:18] Champagne actually, as well as the UVI and Urbana designated specific drop off

[54:23] points, but their urban makeup allows them to do that much easier than we do.

[54:29] Uh, and so, you know, for us, of course, we couldn't force a um, drop off point

[54:34] to be on Walmart's property because it's Walmart's property. And so, really the

[54:38] only, you know, I guess obvious locations would be Village Hall, the rec

[54:43] center, and, you know, potentially the fire department, public places, because

[54:47] we don't have a infrastructure like those urban type areas. Now, it's not

[54:51] saying we can't figure out something. Um but that will be a challenge to kind of

[54:56] accomplish what you just noted is um our makeup is different. We're suburban,

[55:00] right? I mean, and so it makes it difficult to find common spaces to um

[55:06] either force drop off or force gathering for the bike companies. I just want to

[55:09] offer that as um just a consideration.

[55:16] I've never really

[56:16] They know where it ends up. They don't know uh what p They know what path it

[56:21] will take. They don't know where it's going to go. they know where it

[56:23] ultimately goes, if that makes sense. So, they don't have to put in, the rider

[56:27] doesn't have to put in, I'm going to 123 Main Street. They just go to 123 Main

[56:32] Street, and the bike company can track that route and know where the bike

[56:35] ultimately ends up. But, um, and so, to your point, yes, the the bike share

[56:41] company knows the person that rented the bike or at least their payment

[56:45] information as it relates to the ability to find that individual. I guess I would

[56:50] yield the council on this one. My guess is is they're not going to give us the

[56:54] information. Um it's the the bike companies aren't going to provide that.

[56:58] And then the logistics of the village finding would probably be very

[57:02] challenging.

[57:07] » Yeah. >> Yeah. We can clarify those fines for

[57:10] sure. >> Yeah. We'd be better off to put any fine

[57:13] on the company itself and let them worry about collecting that back from their

[57:18] writer. Uh that would be our best bet. We don't want to end up buying having a

[57:23] bunch of people that decide they're never going to pay us. And at least with

[57:27] the company, we have a little hook. So anyway,

[57:32] » yeah, they are a tech company. I mean, I'm almost thinking primarily a tech

[57:36] company because that's what enabled this whole industry to go. Um, so I think

[57:42] they can ge geoence. I'm sure not very difficult. make a

[57:48] geoence um probably on a pretty particular, you know, like if there's a

[57:55] widening of the sidewalk or corner, you know, it wouldn't have to be where they

[58:00] park and that could be worked out. Wouldn't have to be in just those four

[58:04] locations. Um but definitely not on someone's lawn or, you know, not in the

[58:11] street, you know, or a bike path and you know that. And um then they also I'm

[58:17] sure they can also um they also know where that bike is so that it wouldn't

[58:23] be the onus wouldn't be on one of somebody calling them up because that

[58:30] that is a you know that is ridiculous to have people have to call the company and

[58:35] complain. You know what I mean? It's they should

[58:39] have statistics and I mean they should have um reporting on where their bikes

[58:45] are and then they you know it'd be nice to to see

[58:50] you know if they've violated anything. Um so anyway I just think as a tech

[58:54] company they can do a lot of this stuff. um and if they if they were licensed I

[58:59] mean again I'd like to see a company um be able to work in Seavoy but you

[59:07] know I I think if we need to license them and I I agree with that

[59:14] just as a uh I I pulled up my vehicle app and and looked to see what they they

[59:18] didn't know my name they know my cell phone number and they know my credit

[59:22] card and that's really all they cared about right they asked me what my the

[59:26] name field in uh and any other identifiable information in my account

[59:30] is blank because I only gave them the minimum to turn on the bike to drive and

[59:35] that was a cell phone number and a credit card.

[59:38] Uh so getting back to individual personally identifiable information,

[59:43] first of all, I'm not sure the village wants to get anywhere near that. That's

[59:46] that's all kinds of problems. Uh but it may not even be available.

[59:53] I'll also mention I'm not I know in the infancy stages the companies didn't have

[59:59] actual representatives. They contracted someone to pick up the bikes which is

[1:00:04] why some of the timing varies with respect to how quickly they do pick them

[1:00:09] up. don't know how much that has changed and I I would be hardressed to think

[1:00:14] that VO Mike or whomever the tech company is has staff in Champagne or any

[1:00:21] community at that servicing their pickups. They contract

[1:00:26] someone which is you know why they have that number. Hey, you need to go pick up

[1:00:30] this bike this place at you know level.

[1:00:36] » Any other questions or not? Um,

[1:00:42] Judging from the questions, I'm guessing the board is not ready for a final

[1:00:48] addition. So,

[1:00:53] some changes first. >> Could we invite a representative to come

[1:00:57] and answer questions the next time? >> That might give us the information that

[1:01:04] we would like. >> So, If it's okay with the board, we'll

[1:01:11] table this for now and make some adjustments based on comments and when

[1:01:16] we feel like it's ready to come back session. Everybody happy with that? Um,

[1:01:26] what's the I do want to ask what's the board's feeling on like you said the

[1:01:32] village has never authorized or pass allow

[1:01:40] Are we good at keeping this status quo or do we like contact the

[1:01:47] representatives

[1:01:51] to be operating within the village

[1:01:58] I prefer to allow them to operate for the status quo and I think we should act

[1:02:03] the pace to get this agreement in place because there there's a number of that

[1:02:07] use this service. They pick up a lot of the bikes in the

[1:02:11] winter time, so they're not using it. They're about to all come out storage.

[1:02:14] If Larry's Larry's got a picture of one this morning, I mean, I haven't seen

[1:02:18] many of them out yet since, you know, the ball has happened, but we're going

[1:02:22] to start seeing them. I just think it behooves us to to get some updates made

[1:02:27] to this and try and get it, you know, in place by April rather than blocking out

[1:02:32] some way. It's it's too valuable for the residents. I wanted to check make sure

[1:02:37] everybody's happy with that. Um >> I agree with Bill.

[1:02:41] » Okay. Um and I did I happen to see one. I can't remember where I saw it today,

[1:02:45] but it wasn't on Curtis Road. So, no. All right. So, we'll go ahead and um

[1:02:53] pull this from next week's agenda and make some modifications to it based on

[1:02:57] the input. And when uh staff is ready to present it again, we'll bring it back in

[1:03:02] front of the board. All right. Okay. We'll move on to study session item 20

[1:03:09] 202612, a resolution approving an agreement with

[1:03:13] the Illinois Central Railroad for preliminary engineering review services.

[1:03:18] And I'm sure this will be turned over to Roland.

[1:03:21] » Yes, thank you. Um, Canadian National Railroad requires local agencies to pay

[1:03:26] for third party review of plans submitted. This is something they do up

[1:03:30] and down the line. And I mean they have dozens if not hundreds of projects

[1:03:35] across their system and you know their view is we wouldn't have this cost if if

[1:03:41] you weren't doing your project. So they request uh the uh agency uh reimburse

[1:03:49] them for this cost and it's generally a flat fee of about $25,000. And um if we

[1:03:58] want timely review from them as we move forward and keep the project on track,

[1:04:02] uh we need to um our recommendation would be to go ahead and approve this

[1:04:07] agreement. And so I'll take any questions you might

[1:04:11] have that >> Roland. Does are they doing this in

[1:04:14] house or are they using another another A&E firm? Well, um they started off

[1:04:20] telling us they could review it in house and the reviews uh were pretty slow and

[1:04:25] over the first year it probably cost us a couple two or three months. Um and

[1:04:29] they've you know we told them that hey this is we're down to last year here we

[1:04:35] need to get your views and they said well if you want that then we need to go

[1:04:38] to this more traditional route to get you timely interviews. Yeah, that for

[1:04:44] for my fellow trustees, I've worked with the railroads back starting back in the

[1:04:49] 90s on on projects. They're notoriously slow. Um I do know talking with Roland

[1:04:54] that when we got this project started, they were the cause of some of the

[1:04:58] delays that we've had in trying to keep things going. And anything we can do to

[1:05:02] move the railroad along a little faster, even though it means spending a little

[1:05:06] money, I do think is well worth our investment. It will it will pay for

[1:05:10] itself in time reduction. I agree. We're at the point where time

[1:05:15] is of the essence and we need to move in a timely fashion. Even a little bit

[1:05:21] spent now is going to be a huge savings when the grant monies are still there.

[1:05:27] There's a certain period of time of funding and we need to do everything to

[1:05:33] propel the timeline. question

[1:05:39] » with respect to the agreement. Does it guarantee speed or does it guarantee

[1:05:46] little back if that >> the railroad won't give those kind of

[1:05:51] guarantees but I've talked to our our colleagues in Springfield that have you

[1:05:56] know done probably half a dozen of projects of this size and they said this

[1:06:02] is the only way to go really if you want to get them to to do it in a timely

[1:06:07] fashion.

[1:06:12] question. Okay. Uh it's okay with board members.

[1:06:16] Should we include this on the consent agenda?

[1:06:21] » This item on the consent agenda. We'll move on to s study session item

[1:06:26] 202613 resolution authorizing the installation

[1:06:29] of a hallway stop the intersection of South Pros

[1:06:35] and Grand Drive.

[1:06:39] I'm going to take a a minute or so here and uh bring up a a something on the

[1:06:46] screen. It's very similar to what you have in your packet. Just thought it

[1:06:49] would be useful to to have it. Um what we're doing here is as you noticed

[1:06:55] earlier at the at the result of a community request looking at uh in my

[1:06:59] view correcting a situation where we have very odd stop sign configuration

[1:07:03] with two out of three legs of the uh intersection of of Graham and South

[1:07:08] Prospect uh stop controlled and a third one free flowing. And uh it's it's at

[1:07:15] this kind of intersection it's very rare to see that kind of configuration. It's

[1:07:19] the only place that I could think of where you see that is large commercial

[1:07:22] entrances where you have one free flowing, the other's stop. Um, as usual,

[1:07:29] uh, we look at, uh, the MUTCD warrants for stop signs. Uh, and, um, the the

[1:07:37] initial warrants, traffic volume, safety issues,

[1:07:41] aka crash records, and, uh, interim measure when you're going to put traffic

[1:07:47] signal in. those those don't really fit here. Um but they have what's called

[1:07:52] these uh warranty e uh other factors and um some some people refer to those as

[1:07:58] common sense warrants. Uh they were adopted by the MUTCD to give local

[1:08:02] communities some flexibility uh because they can't imagine every

[1:08:07] situation like like this. They couldn't have thought of that this would exist.

[1:08:11] Um these warrant e criteria are um they they described them as left turning

[1:08:17] conflicts u u intersection of two through collector streets residential

[1:08:22] collector streets and an intersection where uh pedestrian and bicycle uh

[1:08:27] movements support the installation of an allway stop.

[1:08:32] Um this is a diagram you have in your in

[1:08:37] your packet. Um and I would mention that the let me go back to the initial um we

[1:08:45] don't have at this point an official adopted map street classification map

[1:08:50] says these are collectors these are minor collectors these are arterials ID

[1:08:54] has some maps on uh arterial classifications we have some studies

[1:08:59] that have shown some thinking on what collector streets are one of the

[1:09:04] criteria that you use when you u look at a collector street is does it connect to

[1:09:08] an arterial street? And another is does it, you know, do you have through

[1:09:13] traffic from one Archerial Street to another? And I would argue that with the

[1:09:18] combined couple of uh Prospect and Graham both connecting to Route 45 and

[1:09:24] Church Street, you do have that free flow of traffic through here that looks

[1:09:28] like a looks like a collector. But that's really um kind of a judgment. Um,

[1:09:34] so let me go to the intersection and look at some of the conflicts we

[1:09:38] currently have. And one of the concerns here is if you go there all the time,

[1:09:43] maybe you're used to it, but we do have visitors at the rec center and people

[1:09:46] who come through town that have not been here before and um they, you know, they

[1:09:52] come up to the the stop uh stop at a stop sign and they they might assume

[1:09:56] that the other the northbound prospect is going to stop. So that's that's one

[1:10:01] conflict, a vehicle conflict and Um the other one is the uh the the rupal path

[1:10:10] terminates at that intersection and so we do have bicycles and pedestrians

[1:10:14] coming from from that um that direction. And then there is a sidewalk uh crossing

[1:10:20] as well. And um when when you come up to an intersection when you stop you have a

[1:10:26] little more time to evaluate is there a pedestrian to my right about ready to

[1:10:30] step out. Whereas if you're just coming through and you're going to sort of zoom

[1:10:35] through and turn right and you're maybe looking at is there a car coming at me,

[1:10:39] you might, you know, not notice the pedestrian to your right. You're also

[1:10:43] going to be going slower if you're at if you come to a stop and we know that

[1:10:48] pedestrian car crashes, but the the injury rate is much lower if the speed

[1:10:55] is more. So, I I understand that the uh you know, the left turning conflicts,

[1:11:01] and I'll be honest with you, what what they're typically talking about there is

[1:11:05] an intersection, a four-legged intersection where you have two oncoming

[1:11:09] cars both turning left at the same time. That's what the turning conflict really

[1:11:14] applies to. But we do have somewhat of a left turning conflict in that we have

[1:11:18] left turning vehicles from westbound Graham that might assume that the

[1:11:24] through traffic on Prospect is going to going to stop. The the number one

[1:11:29] warrant that uh convinced me that it it made sense to recommend a stop sign

[1:11:36] though was the bicycle and pedestrian traffic. Um I think it would be um

[1:11:42] safer. Um, you know, it's almost one of those things like don't have any stop

[1:11:46] signs at all or put three of them in, you know, and I think if we remove even

[1:11:50] one of the other two, we might have more of a outcry than than what we're

[1:11:55] currently hearing. So, our recommendation is is to go ahead and put

[1:11:59] the stop sign and we feel that it meets the warrant, particularly the bikeet

[1:12:03] movement, support the installation of an all hallway stop. So, I'll stop there

[1:12:08] and uh I know there's some different uh thoughts on this and um entertain any

[1:12:13] questions. >> Uh I'm there quite frequently both um in

[1:12:19] an automobile ride riding my bike or as a pedestrian

[1:12:24] and that's a busy area right there. Um the recreation center can have lots of

[1:12:32] people coming and leaving all at the same times. I will say I support it's

[1:12:38] sort of a no-brainer in the common sense area to have an allway stop. Um it

[1:12:44] increases safety and gives time for a person to perceive a bicycle coming

[1:12:49] through or a pedestrian. And um and we also need to be aware that

[1:12:56] sometimes there's a heavy amount of people leaving and though they can leave

[1:13:02] two different ways, they could be leaving this way, too. So

[1:13:08] I I think it's a no-brainer that the common sense thing to do isn't always

[1:13:12] stop.

[1:13:18] This is u I know I've spoken many times on on stop policy. Uh right before I

[1:13:25] joined this board, like a couple months before I joined this board, the the

[1:13:29] village board decided to put in a number of stop signs that meant no warrants at

[1:13:34] all. Uh Roland was not the engineer. The engineer at the time didn't bring

[1:13:38] warrants forward to the board uh for consideration. I will say that I'm

[1:13:43] conflicted on this one. Uh Roland is absolutely correct that there is nobody

[1:13:47] in their right mind would set this situation up from the beginning this

[1:13:52] way. Uh there you know when when it was established when the very first stop

[1:13:56] sign was put in all of them should have been put in. So Roland is 100% correct

[1:14:00] there. Uh Roland's also correct in in how he laid out the you know section E

[1:14:07] warrants. Uh I did have an email exchange with him and and challenged uh

[1:14:12] some of those. The government in this case when they

[1:14:17] put the manual together created this section purposefully vague so that there

[1:14:24] aren't numbers, there aren't right. There's very squishy language and it

[1:14:29] bothers me as an engineer that there's very squishy language and the government

[1:14:33] does that so that so that an engineer in a village our

[1:14:38] size can have a weird situation and say yes this meets the warrants and we're

[1:14:43] doing the right thing in the engineering and you can feel good about doing it

[1:14:48] without what I have previously called in in in past political stop signs meaning

[1:14:52] that they don't meet an engineering criteria they only meet the requirements

[1:14:56] of the body politic us uh and we say we should do this because it's a political

[1:15:03] decision to put in a political stop sign and we have many of those four or five

[1:15:08] that I can think of off the top of my head in the village that don't meet any

[1:15:10] warrants and they're there. So this is not a hill I'm willing to die on. This

[1:15:16] is I know on the in the last time we had stop signs uh I supported one and not

[1:15:21] the other. The time before that I was pretty against them. I think I've lost

[1:15:26] every time. Um it that part doesn't matter. I don't

[1:15:30] really care about that. I I just want the board to remember that as we're

[1:15:35] looking at these things, there are real reasons that we should put stop signs.

[1:15:38] They are not traffic calming. I I winced a little bit. We had public comment

[1:15:44] today where uh the reason for the stop sign was to

[1:15:49] calm the traffic down. The engineer in me says that's exactly why you don't do

[1:15:54] it. You never use a stop sign, a traffic control device to calm traffic because

[1:16:00] it goes against human nature. It's the wrong thing to do and you'll get the

[1:16:04] wrong driver behavior. At the same time, in this situation,

[1:16:09] however, it got to have two stops and and not three. It's kind of crazy to me.

[1:16:15] So, what I'm going to say is that I I would

[1:16:19] I'm gonna continue my caution about where to put stop signs in the village

[1:16:23] and we should not be putting stop signs where it's because the body politic

[1:16:27] wants to do that. I'm calling those political stop signs. U we should do it

[1:16:32] where there's an engineering reason. Roland has given us an an adequate

[1:16:36] engineering reason. Did I challenge him on all of the warrant criteria? Yes, I

[1:16:40] did in an email back and forth. uh and he had very good explanations and and

[1:16:45] reasons why he feels that it meets the warrants and and it certainly uh you

[1:16:50] know I I can say no from this chair if I want to because not as my role as a as a

[1:16:55] licensed engineer but in my role as a as a a trustee but again this is not a hill

[1:17:00] I'm willing to die on. I think it's a pretty small issue and I'll go with

[1:17:05] whatever the uh the feeling board is.

[1:17:12] Yeah, I am not a engineer

[1:17:19] looking at it as >> nice pictures.

[1:17:23] » I'm aware everyone's surrounded. Um, as Heather might say, common sense.

[1:17:29] So, we've been here before in my mind when we low we we had an issue with a

[1:17:37] school and people were speeding. So, instead of addressing the speeding,

[1:17:44] we took all the streets in the village and lowered the speeding limit speed

[1:17:50] and we still got a complaint. We still get complaints about speeding from the

[1:17:54] school. So, I like to look at what the problem is.

[1:17:59] Um, and so with that in mind, um, I'm wondering, you know, politically

[1:18:06] we've had a couple of complaints. I don't know what quantity of complaints

[1:18:10] we've had about that. I don't know how many accidents there have been there. We

[1:18:14] don't really have data on that, if any. Um

[1:18:21] um I look at it that you have a very short section and you pull out of the

[1:18:29] parking lot. You're not going 40.

[1:18:33] If you go south, I'm sorry. If you go south out of the parking lot,

[1:18:39] um I don't know what the traffic count is, but I know a lot of people come out

[1:18:43] of there. Um I don't know how many people actually

[1:18:48] take Graham Drive. And I mean, if I were going to the the

[1:18:52] rec center and I took Graham Drive, I'd be turning in before Prospect,

[1:18:58] but you know, I know not everyone does that. So, I would guess a lot of the

[1:19:02] traffic Graham goes south on Prospect. Um, how much traffic goes north on

[1:19:09] Prospect? I don't know. I don't know. you know, if people come to the rec

[1:19:13] center from Curtis, if we have a large flow of people and they come come in

[1:19:18] across. So, I'm looking at that. I'm thinking

[1:19:24] um if you're on Graham Drive and some of

[1:19:28] the issue is uh the people on Graham Drive and and the the word was

[1:19:36] they assume they're assuming on Graham Drive.

[1:19:41] assuming that the people on Prospect are stopping.

[1:19:45] And um

[1:19:49] I think what the problem is is not that we need stop signs

[1:19:56] everywhere whenever there's a problem. I think we, you know, there's a way to put

[1:20:03] on Graham Drive. It'd be very cross traffic does not stop because that's

[1:20:09] kind of what the problem was described to be that people assume I mean

[1:20:17] definitely very wrong to have two out of the three stop signs. I mean that that's

[1:20:23] it is crazy. Um, I would say we need just to have one sign that says cross

[1:20:30] traffic does not stop because the people coming south are not going very fast.

[1:20:35] People coming north are driving in on their regular street and the people

[1:20:40] going in on Graham know that cross traffic does not stop. So that anyway

[1:20:45] that's that would be my that would be my not to die on.

[1:20:52] So tonight I am conscious of why President Brown

[1:20:58] gives me the side eye when he thinks I want to say something because I've had

[1:21:02] comments about the vobikes and now I have several comments about this and I

[1:21:05] too am not an engineer. What I hear um trusty camper saying is

[1:21:12] with cross traffic doesn't stop are you considering an idea that to remove the

[1:21:18] stop sign for southbound traffic out of rec center?

[1:21:20] » Yes. Okay. and putting and putting one on the uh the bike path that says um

[1:21:27] stop. I you know >> Okay, thank you for saying that because

[1:21:31] in my head as I was looking at Rowan's map um the stop sign there at the drive

[1:21:37] heading south towards Church Street um makes sense to be there as it is now. I

[1:21:45] don't understand why there wasn't a stop sign on northbound Prospect. However, I

[1:21:50] do know at some point the village had ideas of connecting Prospect at Curtis

[1:21:57] Road to Prospect at Graham. So, that's my first point. Second point, I do agree

[1:22:02] with the stop sign. If we are since bikes are supposed to and the

[1:22:06] functioning, we're being supposed to follow vehicle traffic, vehicle car

[1:22:11] traffic, they should need to stop just where you um suggested putting a stop

[1:22:17] sign on the Rupal path. So that's um now I'm going to be a wise guy because I

[1:22:22] live in Prairie Fields. I often take Church Street to Prospect to get to the

[1:22:28] rec center. It's an easier path for me. Even if I'm coming from Graham Drive

[1:22:35] West towards the rec center, I will often pass the entrance because I don't

[1:22:39] have patience. I will be honest. I don't have patience to come into the parking

[1:22:44] lot and then figure out that I can't find a space close to Graham. I'm going

[1:22:50] to end up parking in the west end of the parking lot anyway. So, it makes sense

[1:22:55] for me to go to that um entrance the round to get to the parking lot from the

[1:23:01] west rather than from the east. Um, I honestly won't be here next week to vote

[1:23:07] on this, but I am with I mean the smart people in the room um to make that right

[1:23:13] decision with respect to where stop signs or signs need to be. So um I am

[1:23:19] comfortable with that. Sure. Sure. I mean, I um respect um the other engineer

[1:23:25] in the room, um Trusty Vabric, of course, but certainly um we've got um

[1:23:31] great staff on board to assess the situation. I would be interested to know

[1:23:35] if there I know I I know it there have been accidents at that intersection

[1:23:41] since I've been involved with the village of Seavoy. How many? I don't

[1:23:45] know. Fender Bender, I I'm not sure. And it typically happens when we have an

[1:23:50] event at the rec center because there's a lot of traffic with folks not really

[1:23:54] knowing, you know, the lay of the land. But that's all I have to say.

[1:24:04] » The uh the road coming out of the rec center, is that

[1:24:10] is that a a city street? >> Yes.

[1:24:14] » Okay. So, it's not part of the rec center block. I looked at the GIS and it

[1:24:19] is public right away. So it it in some sense it acts like a street because it's

[1:24:23] in it's in rightway.

[1:24:29] I guess the reason I was asking was I was thinking uh and and Nick may hate me

[1:24:36] for thinking this, but I was wondering if we couldn't make the going into the

[1:24:42] rec center the going into the rec center and the coming out from the rec center

[1:24:48] the exit that comes out and eliminate that street as far as any motorized

[1:24:55] traffic on it. Um

[1:25:00] I I don't know that I would recommend that because the parking lot currently

[1:25:06] has two entrances and um just from depending on which direction you're

[1:25:11] coming from, you know, it's nice to have two entrances and from a emergency

[1:25:16] response standpoint, it's also good good to have two ways in.

[1:25:20] » How about a roundabout?

[1:25:26] things. >> I ask I asked Nick there, are you aware

[1:25:32] of um uh the traffic and the and accidents at that corner?

[1:25:39] » I can only speak anecdotally from what I have observed, but I've never spent time

[1:25:43] to really study that. Um but the people that come in on Prospect drive a lot

[1:25:47] faster typically than the people coming in on Graham. And so the people that

[1:25:51] come from down Prospect, they tend to come into the parking lot a whole lot

[1:25:54] faster, too. And and and come in at that speed. And you know, I go in that way

[1:25:58] every day and come out that way every day. And every time someone doesn't stop

[1:26:01] going north on Prospect, it surprises me. Even though every day I do that of

[1:26:06] the last four or five years, it does. It surprises me every single time. Um so I

[1:26:11] haven't seen a ton of accidents. I've seen a lot of near misses. Um those

[1:26:15] sorts of things. But do I think something to control it better would be

[1:26:19] helpful? I do. Um I whether it's a stop sign or not, I'm not sure. But um

[1:26:25] there's enough issues or close to issues there that I think doing something about

[1:26:31] it would be would be beneficial.

[1:26:43] on this one. So, does the board want me to include this

[1:26:47] on as a consent agenda or keep this separate?

[1:26:51] » No, consent. I don't know that we would get any

[1:26:55] farther if it was, but but I would like to think that we could look at the

[1:27:00] possibility of putting uh cross traffic does not stop

[1:27:07] on that. I I don't know where that would fit in whether it's we would not have

[1:27:13] » is you can't say cross traffic doesn't stop because one leg of the cross

[1:27:16] traffic does stop. Oh, >> no. Get rid of the sign.

[1:27:19] » Get rid of the stop sign.

[1:27:28] be honest with you. >> I was going to say I think we should put

[1:27:33] it in the cons agenda because we can either by that time have a a little more

[1:27:38] knowledge in our own mind and an opinion as to what the public thinks and either

[1:27:45] vote it up or no >> and you can always I guess pull it out

[1:27:49] day but I mean What do you want, Larry? You're the one that seems to be

[1:27:54] » Well, >> although you are kind of iffy on

[1:27:56] » Yeah. No, I I I I still like the that idea of the cross traffic, but um I'll

[1:28:02] go with with the consent agenda. I'm fine with it.

[1:28:04] » Okay. Okay. So, we'll include it as a consent agenda. Move on to our final

[1:28:10] study session item. Study session item 202614. Resolution approving a small

[1:28:15] businessing incentive agreement with Kyle Sporner.

[1:28:22] Probably turn it over. >> Yes,

[1:28:26] » that's to me. Thank you. Um, as you likely know, um, Kyle's Corner

[1:28:34] has taken over the space that had been formerly Industrial Donuts. Uh, he has

[1:28:40] created a restaurant that will be opening this week.

[1:28:43] um officially and he has requested an agreement with us for some advertising

[1:28:51] incentives. Um we are we've looked at what he's requested. Um our only change

[1:28:59] was the timeline. We he was requesting six months uh before we he would get

[1:29:05] reimbursed. We requested it uh we changed that to being a year. uh he's

[1:29:10] requesting $5,000 and um from staff perspective, this is the type of

[1:29:15] incentive that we want uh to to be able to help a new business come in and start

[1:29:21] up. Uh it's reimbursement only. Um receipts before reimbursement.

[1:29:28] We want to make sure that Seavoy is seen as a a pro business community. So I

[1:29:32] believe this does that. >> And in order to have to remain open for

[1:29:36] at least a year, >> correct?

[1:29:39] I think this is great. I think the um there are a lot of um uh cautions in

[1:29:46] there about when to collect and this and that. Um but I think the biggest part of

[1:29:51] this in my mind is civily is pro business and we're uh we like to help

[1:29:56] our small businesses and we encourage small businesses. So it it solves a lot

[1:30:02] of issues and and so I think it's great >> and I I think from the perspective of uh

[1:30:07] myself um and and staff we we want to be open to this type of um request so that

[1:30:14] we can look at you know what what are the needs of our businesses and I

[1:30:18] believe this helps address that. uh you know we might not be able to you know

[1:30:23] buy them a new stove or you know pay for a year of their rent but this would be

[1:30:28] something uh that would be helpful and >> that we can do

[1:30:32] » it promotes the boy when when it's advertising because I mean that's

[1:30:36] » correct >> yeah and if you haven't seen Kyle is

[1:30:40] very good at promoting so >> promotes

[1:30:45] » correct Yeah.

[1:30:49] » Yes. >> Any other questions?

[1:30:51] » Would I It would make sense and I'm I'm guessing I did not I I saw the the uh

[1:31:00] parameters.

[1:31:06] » I missed one sentence. I'm good. >> Okay. Super.

[1:31:09] » Any other question? I missed it. I mean it's pretty good

[1:31:16] okay with consent agenda. Okay. Well, we present on the consent

[1:31:20] agenda.

[1:31:25] Uh well, one of our u board members or trustees

[1:31:32] from the police and fire or the retirement fire retirement system has

[1:31:37] had to step down due to family issues. Uh and they haven't been able to conduct

[1:31:42] business because the makeup of the board we only have three people that qualify

[1:31:47] on quite we don't qualify because we have no retired firefighters so we have

[1:31:54] no other full firefighters chief so um in order for them to conduct business

[1:32:02] Andy Bray talked to Andy Bray many of you know him lieutenant

[1:32:08] captain >> captain

[1:32:10] » captain fire department lived in our community for years for years he's

[1:32:15] interested I'm going to bring

[1:32:20] from the board the appointment next week. It would normally wait for the

[1:32:26] next one, but they've already had to cancel

[1:32:30] meeting

[1:32:34] that. Anybody have any? >> I don't I would like to see a CV.

[1:32:43] » Any other will be part of the agenda if the

[1:32:48] interest

[1:32:53] and then the other thing I meant to mention during our

[1:32:59] comments

[1:33:07] but it should enhance our

[1:33:13] meetings and we'll also

[1:33:18] YouTube at the same time.

[1:33:26] » I believe just YouTube, but I'm not the IT guy. Is that accurate, Bernie? Yeah,

[1:33:31] just YouTube. Yeah, >> HD quality.

[1:33:34] » HD.

[1:33:38] » Oh my god.

[1:33:44] out of it. >> And any other new business? So only

[1:33:48] YouTube, no Facebook or YouTube. >> Mine's not new business.

[1:34:05] » Now that I know.

[1:34:10] » Okay. Now that I know everybody can see

[1:34:28] » just if you could put on the list of things

[1:34:34] and I do this we're gonna write a check to the rail starting

[1:34:42] old church,

[1:34:52] they're getting dropped. watching people especially at church

[1:34:58] and you're going fast >> and you want to get across the tracks

[1:35:01] and you do

[1:35:07] » I don't know what the criteria >> we might wait on the Curtis because

[1:35:10] we're going to rip it out >> focus on church

[1:35:15] and I noticed airport the other day actually the airport's

[1:35:21] actually

[1:35:24] I think it's got less traffic. Uh but a church is

[1:35:28] » church could use some attention and since that won't be part of the actual

[1:35:32] construction, >> right?

[1:35:35] » Getting them out to that red >> and I think there folks locally do some

[1:35:42] of that work. So >> yeah,

[1:35:44] » I can check I can we can check. >> Thank you.

[1:35:50] That's it. >> I didn't realize we were going to be

[1:35:52] televis or posting this later on. No wonder Wendy's been telling me to use

[1:35:57] the mic and I since it wasn't going to be posted, I haven't worried about it

[1:36:01] too much. But uh but any other new business?

[1:36:06] Okay, seeing no other new business, we are done with our item. So, I'll declare

[1:36:11] journal.

[1:36:16] » Oh.

[1:36:21] Sorry, I missed the trustee remark.

[1:36:26] » Are there any trust?

[1:36:40] » I need to do that.

[1:36:45] » So now we can't call it back to work.

[1:36:58] I hope so, too. >> Glad you're here.

[1:37:02] » I was worried you wouldn't be. So, >> let's see.

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