[0:01] The pledge of allegiance will be led by Christian Lions and the invocation by

[0:05] Pete Miller. If you'd all please rise and remove your hats.

[0:11] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.

[0:15] » To the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with

[0:22] liberty and justice for all. Heavenly Father, as we gather to serve

[0:28] our community, guide our hearts and minds. Remind us of the seven dangers of

[0:33] human virtue, wealth without work, pleasure without conscience, knowledge

[0:40] without character, business without ethics, science without human humanity,

[0:46] religion without sacrifice, and politics without principle. Grant us clarity,

[0:52] humility, and unity this evening as we serve our residents. May every decision

[0:58] that we make be [clears throat] grounded in principle and directed towards the

[1:01] good of those that we serve. In your name we pray. Amen.

[1:11] Okay.

[1:15] Okay. Um citizens to be heard. Item number three,

[1:21] John Willing. John, if you'd say where you live. Come on up.

[1:27] » No, no. Come up into the lectern, please.

[1:33] It's nice to be able to walk. >> Yes. I live at 113 Cliffside.

[1:44] » Okay. >> Go ahead, please.

[1:45] » Okay. Uh first of all I want to say the uh July the 4th of July which is

[1:50] actually we did it early that whole celebration was very well done really

[1:55] really well done and I think everybody would agree on that if you went uh we

[1:59] had a great celebration and so it brought a good memory. I also loved it

[2:03] uh going up and down the highway today. I don't know when it was actually done

[2:06] but I saw that all the the beew weeds were actually moaned downh today. So it

[2:12] was a relief to the eye. It was actually very beautiful. So, whoever did the

[2:16] mowing job did a nice job. And I know maybe somebody wasn't happy about that,

[2:19] but I think the bees will be okay. You know, any rate, um I just want to say

[2:24] something about the uh zoning change uh that is uh being proposed for having the

[2:30] Jify Lube and the Chipotle right in that area. I'm more particularly concerned

[2:34] about the uh the Jify Lube. Not majorly concerned, but I do have some concerns

[2:41] because it brings up some issues. You know, I just I really believe that

[2:44] beautiful cities that I've seen have strong zoning enforced. You can really

[2:49] tell that it's been planned. And I think that without any strong guidance in the

[2:55] city planning, the appearance of a city can look haphazard. It can have lots of

[2:59] independent looks and architecture and conflicts. I studied architecture for a

[3:03] couple of years in college and I just, you know, learned a lot from that that

[3:07] it really does make a difference in a a feeling of a city when you plan it.

[3:11] Houston suffered a lot from that effect. You can see it when you drive through

[3:14] the city. There was just caphazard zoning and I'd hate to see that happen

[3:18] in our little community of Shavano Park. Even though we're not big, you know,

[3:22] it'd be really sad to see that happen. So, some of the specific questions would

[3:26] be noise levels from the Jiful. If if there's people who would some of the

[3:30] Chipotle's have dining and some of them don't outside, uh there could be kind of

[3:35] noisy if it's in close proximity to the building. It seems like there would have

[3:38] to be a really good separation there. So, I think that uh when tires are being

[3:44] topped off and there's clanging of auto parts and cars coming in and out, that

[3:48] could be not a really great environment for a restaurant, you know, very close

[3:52] to it. Uh, so I wonder if this Chipotle would have outdoor seating at this

[3:57] location and how much parking will be available for customers for Chipotle and

[4:02] for Jiffy Lube and will there be space between the two companies? And I think

[4:08] another concern I have is allowing the zoning change for Zify Jiffy Lube could

[4:14] also very easily set a precedent for the future to keep on making exceptions for

[4:20] this business and another business and another business and you have to do that

[4:24] at times. But if you are forced into it and oh well look what you did over here

[4:29] maybe somebody brings a legal problem in front of you because that happened. That

[4:33] could be a really sad thing to happen in Chav Park. Look, those are my comments.

[4:38] So, >> thank you very much, [clears throat]

[4:39] John. We appreciate it. >> Uh, Susan Willings. Susan, if you could

[4:43] tell us where you live. >> I live also at 113 Cliffside. Thank you,

[4:49] Pete, for the reminder of those seven virtues. I really appreciated hearing

[4:53] those and I think that really set our minds in a beautiful place tonight. I

[4:57] really thank you. Um, this is not related right now to the ordinance, but

[5:02] I just want to say I don't know if it's possible, but um, I really appreciate

[5:07] what Kevin Walker and Brian E have done at the end of Cliffside Drive, and I

[5:12] wonder maybe this has already been done, but I it'd be nice if the city or city

[5:18] council would send a thank you note to them. I walk that every day and I notice

[5:23] how many hours Kevin has spent loading rocks and soil to that and it really has

[5:28] beautified the front of our street which I greatly appreciate and um I look

[5:33] forward someday to having our own monument there on the corner of

[5:37] Northwest Military and Days of Olive looking more updated and beautiful

[5:41] because this is a beautiful city and I was just hoping it could reflect that

[5:46] because that's you know people make a lot of judgments when they drive past

[5:49] there all the about our neighborhood and so I'm hoping

[5:54] um there can be some wonderful input to go to there to modernize it and make it

[5:58] look lovely. When I first now talking about the um

[6:03] the going in of the restaurant and the Jify Lube, I think my first reaction was

[6:08] a concern about wow, you know, we don't have a whole lot of

[6:13] acres left and I was just thinking I mean I I I might be speaking out of turn

[6:18] because I'm not the developer and I don't know how hard it is to get

[6:22] businesses attracted to it and especially that particular lot with the

[6:25] traffic flow, but I was hoping there could be more a little bit more classy

[6:31] kind of a you know restaurant or something that could be attracted to

[6:34] that area. Just um so I'm just I'm not saying don't but I'm just saying you

[6:42] know be cautious about being too hasty to approve and you know maybe it's it is

[6:49] like I say very difficult to find someone who would be attracted to that

[6:53] particular property to build something. Anyway, thank you for the fact that you

[6:59] all work so hard to make these decisions and want to honor our community.

[7:04] » Susan, thank you very much. Appreciate it.

[7:08] » Okay. Uh that brings us to item number four, city council comments. Christian

[7:15] time. Thank you. >> Okay, Lee,

[7:20] I'd like to thank you all for showing up. Whatever your motivation is, it's

[7:24] always good to see people involved civically in government. It gets lonely

[7:28] up here on the das when nobody's in the crowd. Uh, and I'd like to remind you

[7:32] that we are in the middle of the budget process and staff has done an incredible

[7:38] job of making sense of all the things that go into running a city. And uh I

[7:44] hope that you appreciate the uh employees here that do so much to help

[7:49] us to make life better for you folks. Thank you.

[7:53] » Okay. Thank you, Pete. >> Yeah. Hope hopefully you've all noticed

[7:57] on Desavalas the project is coming to completion and uh it was funny because

[8:02] uh I guess it was over a year ago, you know, the contractor got up and said

[8:06] it'll be 13 months to do this and I thought, "Oh, come on. It's going to be

[8:09] a little bit longer than that." And we've we've hit the 13month mark.

[8:13] There's a lot of people that put a lot of work into making that happen. Uh so I

[8:17] want to want want to thank those in in particular our staff. When you look at

[8:21] Bill, Johnny, Curtis, Brenda, and the police department that all put a lot of

[8:26] work into making sure that it was safe and and that things went correctly. uh

[8:31] our contractor did an outstanding job, J3 the engineering uh city engineer did

[8:36] an outstanding job, the inspector and also we had a committee of of uh

[8:42] citizens that helped drive that uh making sure that it was done correctly.

[8:46] Uh and most of all the citizens that live on Desavalis that put up with all

[8:52] the noise and the construction really really thank them as well. Uh but we're

[8:57] getting really close and I think that uh we're all going to be very pleased with

[9:00] it. >> Conrad

[9:03] » like echo that that some citizens involved in the days of all project and

[9:07] the and the work they put in. I'll appreciate that. It's it's all volunteer

[9:11] and it's it's good work. Um in addition to Kevin Walker, I think Brian Neck was

[9:17] part of that too and it's it's right at the end of Cliffside and military can go

[9:20] by and check it out. That's citizens initiating that on their own doing that.

[9:24] a little bit of a help with some soil and stuff from the city, but it it looks

[9:30] so good and so appreciative. Thank you. >> Just I normally don't comment during

[9:36] council comments, but I do want to commend uh Kevin and and Brian. I've

[9:41] talked to both of them. Uh but I also want to thank Frank and Johnny for all

[9:45] the work that they've done and getting the materials over there to help them.

[9:48] Uh you can have a great vision, but if you don't have the stuff to work with,

[9:53] you you don't have the stuff to work with. It's having a really great set of

[9:57] Play-Doh as a kiddo, but if you don't have the little extrusion devices, you

[10:01] can't do the really cool stuff with the Play-Doh. So, thank you guys for helping

[10:05] out with Kevin and Brian so very much. Um, brings us to item number five,

[10:10] presentations, commentations, and announcements. Proclamations

[10:15] 2026 Independence Day event sponsors. Uh we are absolutely blessed to have so

[10:22] many sponsors that make such a big difference in Shavano Park and we have

[10:26] some that have been here for years and others that have come and gone from a

[10:30] time to time. Um and then of course we have our Shavano Park women who just

[10:35] have made all the difference in the world. They have been the glue that has

[10:39] hold this held this community together for 71 years and and the city has only

[10:44] been here for 70. So, uh, they have just made all the difference in the world. I

[10:49] suggested that when they did their 70th anniversary that they wear t-shirts that

[10:53] said 70 years of excellence because it has been 70 years of of excellence for

[10:58] them, but some of them it was just too darn close to their age and they didn't

[11:02] want to put on that 70 years. So, I I can fully understand that. Uh, we have

[11:08] we have five five entities that we're going to recognize this evening. Uh,

[11:12] CERS Engineer is our first. Do I have anybody from Collier's engineering to

[11:16] accept the proclamation? I didn't see anybody come in from Cyers.

[11:20] We get to see them all the time. They probably are thinking, golly, we'll pick

[11:24] those up on some other time because uh we do spend so much time with them and

[11:28] and I'll thank them individually.

[11:33] The next one is Martin Marietta. Do I have anybody from Martin? Oh, great.

[11:38] Great. Come on down. Uh, and I'll even give you a chance to to give a little

[11:42] bit of information about yourself. I'm going to come out there and we're

[11:45] going to take a picture together.

[11:55] Just just a couple of words that I'll say uh going going back over 25 years.

[12:00] Martin Marietta has been on this side on this side. Uh has been instrumental in

[12:06] our communities going back to when Tommy Payton got them involved in our

[12:10] community. They have done barbecues for us. They've done community events. And

[12:15] we come forward to today and Martin Marietta a quarter over a quarter of a

[12:21] century later has been perhaps our longest sustaining supporter outside of

[12:27] the Shavano Park women and and on behalf of the city of Shavano Park I want to

[12:31] thank you for your great contribution and all that you do for us. Keep up the

[12:35] great work and appreciate everything. Thank you so much. [applause]

[12:55] is well it may not be in the right order. Uh the next one is recognizing

[13:01] Petland. Come on down

[13:07] Glenn. We appreciate you coming down today to be with us. Uh we are excited

[13:11] to have you as a part of the Shavano Park community. Y'all have made a great

[13:15] contribution over there. We were concerned about getting that uh that

[13:19] development center uh in place and y'all have been the anchor for it. Thank you

[13:23] for all that you do in Shavano Park. Keep up the great work.

[13:28] [applause]

[13:33] And then for all of you who came to our Independence Day celebration, and I hope

[13:39] almost everybody did that's here, uh, y'all got to have some of the best

[13:43] fajitas in Texas. And and I'm going to tell you that y'all enjoyed them so much

[13:49] and y'all got such healthy portions of them that by the time I got there, there

[13:54] wasn't anything left but the crumbs. and and so I don't know if that was planned

[13:59] in advance that we're going to have a really great time and feed all the

[14:02] citizens and all the participants, but we're not going to feed the mayor. But

[14:07] it worked out perfectly. I want to tell you it worked out perfectly. And so

[14:11] today we got uh Brandon and Evan here to to be with us today. Come on down,

[14:16] gentlemen. Uh, these guys were part of the cooking

[14:20] team that provided us the most the best fajitas in Texas, I believe, is the way

[14:26] that I described it in the chef in our newsletter, the road.

[14:35] [applause] Y'all have done an amazing job. Thank you so very much.

[14:40] » Good to be with you.

[14:44] Republic.

[14:57] These guys are doing an awesome job.

[15:05] [applause]

[15:26] Item 5.2, Proclamation, San Antonio Rodeo uh Radio Club and Amateur Radio

[15:32] Week. Uh for 105 years, the San Antonio Radio Club has been active in our

[15:40] community. Uh these are the guys that during World War I were um World War II,

[15:46] Korea, Vietnam, and coming all the way forward to today were bouncing things

[15:50] off the ionosphere and telling us, "Hey, this is what's happening over in Burma

[15:56] or in Saipan or wherever else around the world because they're there to take care

[16:02] of radio communications in the event of catastrophes. They do an absolutely

[16:08] amazing job. We're so excited to have them be in our pavilion. It makes it a

[16:12] whole lot more comfortable. Uh I I have gone to be with them every one of the

[16:17] last uh 12 years except for COVID year in which case they still had their their

[16:24] annual event. They just didn't have it here in Shavano Park. Uh they had the

[16:28] highest participation of any year that we have had in Shavano Park. Really

[16:34] great to see an organization. You think about an organization that's 100 years

[16:37] old and you're thinking that all the members are 100 years old, but that's

[16:41] not the way that it is with the San Antonio radio club. And um today we've

[16:46] got John April with us to accept the proclamation on behalf of the

[16:50] organization.

[17:12] » [applause]

[17:27] » All right. grab my grab my phone if you don't mind.

[17:32] I'd just like to say uh quick word here uh about this certificate, the

[17:39] president's certificate of appreciation uh that uh uh on behalf of the San

[17:44] Antonio radio club. I'd like to present this president's certificate of

[17:47] appreciation to the city of Shavono Park. For more than two decades, the

[17:51] city has graciously hosted our annual amateur radio relay league field day

[17:56] exercise. Your continued support um has provided us with a place to not

[18:02] only train for emergency communications, but also to invite members of the public

[18:06] to experience the amateur uh radio firsthand.

[18:10] Every year, people who have never touched a radio before have had the

[18:14] opportunity to get on the air, learn about emergency communication, and see

[18:18] how volunteers can serve their communities when they're uh needed most.

[18:23] So, we sincerely appreciate the city's participation or partnership,

[18:28] hospitality, and commitment to public this public event, its mission a su a

[18:34] success every year. Your support has helped make field day a tradition that

[18:39] strengthens emergency preparedness, promotes public awareness, and connects

[18:44] our community with the important role of amateur radio.

[18:48] So, thank you.

[19:00] » [applause]

[19:20] » Okay. Item 5.3, recognition police officer Espinosa and Officer

[19:28] Schumacher for their DWI reduction efforts during calendar years

[19:33] 2024 and 2025. Chief, >> hey, good evening, Mayor and Council.

[19:37] So, every year the police department recognizes uh one officer within the

[19:41] department that has most DWI related uh arrests. And historically, we submit

[19:46] that nomination to Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, MAD, who has an annual lunchon

[19:52] every year. Um, they historically, they used to do it within every Texas region.

[19:57] However, in 2024, they cut back and held it in two locations throughout Texas,

[20:02] one being Dallas, the other being Houston. Um, so we were unable to make

[20:06] those locations. Um, so in order to keep with the tradition, um, we're going to

[20:10] begin to host these recognitions here within the city council, uh, for our

[20:14] department. And so with that, I'd like to recognize, um, officer Espinosa with

[20:20] the most DWI related arrest for calendar year 2024 and officer Brandon Schemacher

[20:26] for the most DWI related arrests for the calendar year 2025.

[20:32] [applause]

[20:42] Go up and get a picture.

[20:48] Officer. Yeah. Bring your whole family down,

[20:52] » please.

[21:04] I'll get him.

[21:21] [applause]

[21:27] Item 5.4, Four, recognition, excellence in performance for the fire department

[21:31] shift C emergency management services EMS for the quarter ending June 30th for

[21:38] life-saving efforts. Chief,

[21:44] » thank you, Mayor and Council. Uh first, I'd like to thank uh Chief Fox for

[21:48] bringing this to my attention and uh actually making this nomination for the

[21:52] uh employee or in this case the employees of the quarter. Uh on the

[21:57] morning of May 14th, 2026, shortly after 8:00 a.m., Sea Shift responded to the

[22:01] scene for uh an initial report of a female having seizures at one of our

[22:05] local medical offices. Uh as they arrived on scene, they found a

[22:09] 27year-old female that was actually in cardiac arrest and uh was after being

[22:14] administered anesthesia for a medical procedure. Uh staff on scene had started

[22:19] CPR just prior to EMS arriving. uh C-shift was able to uh start focusing on

[22:26] the patient and began man administering an a higher level of care for the

[22:32] patient. Um along with uh CPR, a number of medications were administered as well

[22:39] as u establishing IV access that not typically is is able to be done uh in

[22:47] the uh facility. Uh, in this instance, the doctor was attempting to do this and

[22:51] our staff actually was able to get the IV long before the doctor did. Not

[22:55] saying anything bad about the doctor, but just telling you about the

[22:58] professionalism of uh of our paramedics. Uh, initially uh the there was a

[23:05] advanced airway that was initiated as well and uh we continued our efforts as

[23:10] the crew moved the patient to the ambulance. Um the patient was reassessed

[23:15] shortly after getting the into the ambulance which was common for us and we

[23:20] had the patient had actually regained a pulse and uh was breathing and her heart

[23:25] was beating on her own. Uh she was transported to the hospital and his last

[23:30] reports uh is still under medical care but is alive and doing well. So, uh,

[23:36] responding to the call that morning were Captain Tom Gross, Lieutenant Jeff

[23:40] Kyper, who is actually the paramedic in charge of the patient, firefighter

[23:44] paramedic Ben Bingham, uh, firefighter paramedic Fame Morales, who is actually

[23:49] on vacation today and unable to attend, and firefighter EMT David Sandival. So,

[23:54] uh, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I look good because these guys

[23:57] make me look good. Uh, it's because of their efforts, and I greatly appreciate

[24:01] all of them. [applause] behalf

[24:10] [applause]

[24:14] of the city.

[24:31] » [applause]

[24:35] » You know, I I just will say something because we've had an opportunity to um

[24:40] recognize our police officers and our fire, our first responders tonight. uh

[24:45] the police officers who try to keep our road safe

[24:50] and uh you know you pull someone over and uh if they're intoxicated impair

[24:56] impaired you know they really have a responsibility to keep the road safe and

[25:00] it may not be a pleasant task at times but it is important one so thank you

[25:05] very much for doing that and then the fact that every day our paramedics get

[25:09] called out for one to two or three or four uh EMS calls

[25:15] and they're providing life-saving um capability and services is just

[25:19] absolutely amazing. You're making all of you are making a difference in our

[25:24] residents, our citizens lives, and you set a great example. Thank you so much.

[25:30] [applause]

[25:33] I appreciate everybody that has come uh this evening to join us. Uh, you know,

[25:39] y'all are welcome to leave now or at any time in the future as far as the

[25:43] meeting's concerned, but thank y'all for each coming here. Y'all have make a

[25:46] gigantic difference in our community at our community events. We appreciate all

[25:51] of the quarters and and decades in many cases of contributions that you've made

[25:56] to our community. Uh, brings us to item number six, consent agenda. All matters

[26:02] listed under this item are considered routine by the city council and will be

[26:06] enacted by one motion. There will not be separate discussion of these items. If

[26:11] discussion is desired by any alderman on any item, that item will be removed from

[26:15] the consent agenda and will be considered separately. Do I have a

[26:19] motion to accept and or approve item 6.1 through 6.3?

[26:23] » Mayor, I would like to pull one of the items.

[26:25] » No, you're not there yet. This is item six,

[26:29] » the consent agenda.

[26:33] Do you want to pull any of 6.1 through 6.3?

[26:37] Okay. Do you have a motion for me? >> I'd like it to have a motion.

[26:42] » Okay. We have a motion from Lee. Do I have a second?

[26:46] » A second from Conrad. Okay. [laughter] Uh there being no discussion, all in

[26:50] favor say I. I. >> All oppose. Same sign. The motion

[26:55] carries. Uh 40.

[27:04] City manager report. All matters listed under this item considered routine by

[27:08] the city council and will only be considered at the request of one or more

[27:12] alderman. Coincident with each listed item, discussion will generally occur.

[27:17] Pete, I think you have a question. >> I I do. I would like to pull item 7.4,

[27:22] which is the police department activity report.

[27:24] » Okay. Uh we request to pull item 7.4, for police activity report. Uh I'm going

[27:30] to need for somebody to go get the chief for us so that he can discuss that. Uh

[27:34] does anybody wish to pull any of the other items? Okay, there being no

[27:38] request. Chief, if you come on down and uh Pete has a few questions concerning

[27:44] the uh police activity report. Of course he does. So, [laughter]

[27:49] so, so chief, I I I'm so excited about Desavalis coming to a completion, but

[27:54] one of the hardest things for me is to go 25 miles an hour down that road. Uh,

[27:59] could you please uh tell us what what are the plans to change that speed limit

[28:04] back from 25 to 35? And do you need council's uh approval or guidance on

[28:09] that? Uh well, if you remember when we lowered it, we did it on an emergency

[28:14] basis um because it was a construction area and we felt there was a safety

[28:17] hazard. Uh and then when we formalized it with council, I believe the

[28:21] stipulation was upon uh project completion or council approval. Um, and

[28:27] this morning talking with city manager during our morning huddle, I believe he

[28:32] said that they were doing a walkthrough on Thursday to determine project

[28:36] completion or we can do it through city council actions.

[28:40] » Yeah, the project uh will will be complete Thursday. We're going to do a

[28:43] walkthrough punch list and then we plan to raise the uh speed limit to 35.

[28:51] » We could get a standing ovation for that one, I think, from everybody in the

[28:54] community. So, thank you for clarifying that, Chief. We appreciate it so much.

[28:58] » Okay, brings us to our regular agenda items. Um, Buddy Alamon is in court. He

[29:05] has been called for jury duty and he is waiting for his panel to be released. We

[29:10] do have several action items that are on the agenda. And um without objection,

[29:15] I'm going to start at the bottom of the agenda until Buddy arrives and then we

[29:20] will go to the regular agendas. Without objection, we're going to go to item

[29:23] 810, discussion action, review of the annual budget calendar. Um, we were just

[29:29] meeting at a special meeting and we have two more dates. Uh, Brenda, uh, are we

[29:36] we have those dates that you previously provided. If you would just take a

[29:40] couple of minutes to advise the public concerning that.

[29:44] » Uh, yes sir. So, in September, we have a special council meeting um for the first

[29:50] reading of the budget. That is on Monday, September 14th. That'll be at

[29:54] 5:30. And then in September, on Monday the 21st, we were we will be having the

[30:00] crime control board meeting at 6:15. And then the regular city council meeting at

[30:05] 6:30. That will be the second reading of the budget, uh the ordinance for the

[30:10] budget approval, as well as the uh tax rate resolution approval. Okay. Uh, do

[30:16] we have a motion to set the September 20 uh, September 14th and 21st meetings

[30:23] except the fiscal year 2026 27 budget calendar is submitted and confirmed

[30:28] dates for the September 14th special council meeting at 5:30 and the

[30:32] September 21st crime control prevention district board of directors meeting at

[30:37] 6:15 with the regular council meeting to immediately follow. Do we have a motion?

[30:43] Make that motion. >> We have a motion from Conrad. We have a

[30:47] second from Lee. There being no discussion, all in favor say I.

[30:51] » I. >> All oppose. Same sign. The motion

[30:54] carries. 40. Uh item 8.9 discussion action ordinance

[30:59] 0.201004 amending the fiscal year 202526

[31:04] budget. This is an administrative uh change which means it will be take

[31:09] effect immediately. Build. Are you or Brenda going to talk first?

[31:13] » Brenda. >> All right. Thank you. So, we staff has a

[31:18] number of items to propose amendments to the fiscal year 26 budget. So, they

[31:23] include uh development fees. The city has received almost 109,000 in

[31:27] development fees relating to the platting of the pit and the final plat

[31:30] of Napier Park. So, amounts received are typically transferred to the capital

[31:35] replacement fund for future infrastructure expenditures. So, we are

[31:39] proposing an increase to the development fee revenue line item as well as an

[31:43] increase to the transfer to the capital replacement fund line item. And then in

[31:47] the capital replacement fund, we will see an offsetting or corresponding

[31:51] increase in the transfer from the general fund as a revenue line item in

[31:56] that fund. U donations. The city has received a generous $15,000 donation

[32:01] from the star family in memory of their daughter Lisa for improvement to the

[32:05] walking trails in the MUN tract. So we are proposing an increase of 15,000 to

[32:09] donations and offset by an increase of the same amount to capital improvement

[32:14] project expense line item information technology. At its June regular council

[32:20] meeting, city council approved the purchase of an artificial intelligence

[32:23] server at a cost not not to exceed $25,000.

[32:27] So, the amendment proposes an increase to capital computer equipment of the

[32:31] $25,000 and we're proposing offsetting that with an increase um in the sale to

[32:37] city assets, the partial proceeds from the sale of a portion of the green belt

[32:41] to a resident on Box Oak. And then the fire department had a number of smaller

[32:47] expenditure items. They also received a couple of uh additional revenues. So,

[32:52] they typically receive a a an trauma grant from the Southwest Texas Regional

[32:58] Advisory uh Council. That was $5,146. So, we're prop proposing an amendment to

[33:04] increase that revenue and increase the offsetting grant expenditure line item.

[33:08] They received $5,200 in Firewatch revenues from an an area assisted living

[33:14] facility when their fire alarm system went down. So, we're going to use that

[33:18] to increase their equipment maintenance and repair budget a little bit and their

[33:23] vehicle maintenance and repair budget. Um, the vehicle maintenance and repair.

[33:28] Big vehicles have big bills. Uh, ambulance uh M133B required replacement

[33:33] of its onboard AC system or AC unit, a cost of approximately $10,300.

[33:40] We're proposing increasing their EMS revenues by a like amount. We're doing

[33:44] very well in our collections. our our provider there is doing a really good

[33:49] job. And then uh political instability. We're having issues with our f fuel

[33:53] prices. So, we're going to use an increase in the plan review fees and

[33:58] operating revenue line item to increase the vehicle and equipment fuels to get

[34:02] them through the rest of the fiscal year. On the police side, they've

[34:06] received a generous $3,000 donation from a city resident who specified the use of

[34:11] the funds toward police equipment as well as employee appreciation. So, we're

[34:16] offsetting that donation by a $3,000 in total increase in the related expenses

[34:21] where she wanted it to go. Uh, we need to bump up the cadet uh the the tuition

[34:28] expenditure. When we hired the cadet, it was later in

[34:32] the budget season last year and we did not take into account their uh their

[34:37] academy tuition. So, we need to bump that up about $3,000. We'll we think

[34:41] we'll have some additional toying contract revenues because we've already

[34:45] maxed out that line item. So, those are offsetting code compliance. The cleanup

[34:50] on the 102 wagon trail for $4,500. We had originally budgeted that last year.

[34:55] However, the work wasn't done until this year. So, we're going to bump up our

[34:59] plan review fees to offset that. And then the police department also had some

[35:04] vehicle maintenance and repairs and uh fuel issues. So, we're we're offsetting

[35:10] those increases in expenditures with an increase in the plan review fees. In our

[35:15] community enhancement and engagement fund, council bumped up the the budget

[35:18] for the city's July 4th celebration. And we've also received some additional

[35:23] funding, especially towards the Liberty Tree Mural. So, we're increasing our

[35:28] donation revenue line item by $5,200 and an increase of 20,450 to the city

[35:34] sponsored events. And then on February 2 uh 2nd, 2022, I'm sorry, February 2nd,

[35:42] 2026, city manager signed an engineering task

[35:45] order for 69 6500 for the flip cliff side trail schematics and that was

[35:50] directed to be taking out of the community enhancement and engagement

[35:53] fund. So, we're increasing that expenditure line item by that amount.

[35:57] Now, moving to the water utility fund. The water utility purchased 37.5 acre

[36:02] feet of of water rights this October and the city had originally budgeted

[36:08] 125,000. So we need to up that uh by 260,000 because that purchase price was

[36:13] 385,000. We have a few smaller adjustments

[36:17] proposed in the tree protection and beautifification fund. One for the the

[36:22] two municipal beehives, one for their tree donor program. Uh we just had

[36:28] approved at the last council meeting the engineering task orders with collars for

[36:33] the pavement condition index and the Turkey Creek drainage that total 58,000.

[36:38] We're proposing taking that out of our street maintenance fund. And then also

[36:42] in the capital replacement fund, in addition to the 109 development fees at

[36:47] its October 2025 meeting, council approved up to 11,000 to reestablish or

[36:53] improve the irrigation system at the Saddle Creek Triangle for a pollinator

[36:57] garden. >> Okay. Uh thank you. You spoke more

[37:00] rapidly than you normally do. Uh could you go back and tell me again about what

[37:05] happened at 102 Wagon Trail? >> Yes. So that was the the abatement. So

[37:09] last year we able we were able to clean up most of the abated rubbish. However,

[37:16] the motor oil and cooking oil cleanup was not able to get done until this

[37:21] fiscal year. So I even though it was budgeted for last fiscal year, the

[37:25] actual expense took place this fiscal year. So I I'm requesting that

[37:29] adjustment. >> Okay. I I I thought that it was an

[37:33] additional expense. I was hoping that it was money, but I I wasn't paying

[37:37] attention well enough. Okay. Uh, Bill, anything else that you'd like to add at

[37:41] this time? >> Yes. Uh, great job by all the

[37:45] departments doing this. Two things I want to highlight. Number one is almost

[37:48] everything she mentioned as a budget amendment, we've already brought forth

[37:52] to city council and you've already approved and there's certainly very

[37:57] little surprises or changes that just we didn't just make it up and say, "Okay,

[38:02] uh, go forth and and approve this." The second thing is when you say we bumped

[38:07] up revenues, we we increased the revenue um projection line in the budget, the

[38:14] actual revenues already are there, you know. So if we budgeted, let's say

[38:18] $100,000 for ambulance fees and we got 110.

[38:23] Most of the time we're not going to change the budget revenue line to 110.

[38:27] We're just going to keep it at 100 and then we'll deposit that back into fund

[38:32] balance. But as we receive more ambulance fees, development fees, even

[38:38] permit fees, um we're just using those increased fees that we're actually

[38:43] getting and projecting to offset the expenses so we maintain a balanced

[38:47] budget. That's always going to mention there can be a little confusing.

[38:53] » Okay. Uh anybody have any questions, comments, or concerns before I entertain

[38:57] a motion? Okay. Uh, do we have a motion to approve ordinance 0 2026004

[39:04] amending the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget? Um, do we have a motion?

[39:10] » Motion to approve. >> We have a motion from Christian. We have

[39:13] a second. >> We have a second from Pete.

[39:17] There being no disc. Uh, this is an administrative ordinance which means it

[39:21] takes effect immediately. Uh we will do budget amendments for those who are

[39:26] watching at home and are new to the meetings once or twice a year. Uh

[39:30] because there are things that roll through the year and instead of amending

[39:34] the budget every time that council authorizes something, we earmark where

[39:39] the money is going to be coming from or going to. and then we clean everything

[39:44] up in a single budgetary amendment which actually makes our auditors much happier

[39:49] than having to go through pages and pages of changes on different city

[39:54] council agendas. Okay. Um there being no discussion, all in favor say I.

[39:59] » I. >> I.

[40:01] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. Thank you, Brenda. Item 8.8

[40:06] date discussion action setting the date for the city sponsored events citywide

[40:11] garage sale arbor day independence day national night out our holiday festival

[40:18] Christristen >> I can do that

[40:21] » no Bill okay >> so uh we have six primarily primary csp

[40:27] sponsored events uh garage sale the arbor independence day national night

[40:33] out trunk or treat and holiday festival And we typically try to schedule them at

[40:39] the same about same time every year. But we found that if we get out in front of

[40:44] this earlier than we used to like we used to do this in October, November and

[40:48] then things to get tightened up that we can start reserving the things we need

[40:52] to we can inform our employees the employees a lot of them who have to work

[40:56] on that on those weeks uh work through that. So um do we have the calendar

[41:02] here? Okay. So, I'll just go down the line one

[41:07] way or the other. We're really looking at uh we have two options for the

[41:11] citywide garage sale. March 6th or the 13th. We note that the Blackman spring

[41:15] break is the 8th through the 12th and that tw March 27th is the Easter

[41:21] weekend. So, we're proposing that we do this on the 13th. And so, uh we'll come

[41:26] I I'll just go through all this. If there's any comments, we'll go from

[41:29] there. Arbor Earth Day, we try to do it in midappril. Um they're actually Earth

[41:34] Day is actually in April. Arbor Day is usually in the fall. We combine that

[41:40] because the Fiesta is the 15th through the 25th and and 24th, 25th are the

[41:47] biggest days in Fiesta because it's towards the end. We're recommending that

[41:51] our Earth Day celebrations are Saturday, April 17th.

[41:56] the Independence Day which is usually was always on the 4th of July. We we

[42:03] have historically done this on the Saturday prior to that that uh allows

[42:09] people to enjoy other activities on the 4th of July including our employees. The

[42:15] uh June 26 is the Saturday before the 4th of July. And then I make note also

[42:21] that the radio club which was recognized earlier they will come at the conclusion

[42:28] of that and they'll have their annual radio field day the 26th and 27th. July

[42:34] 4th is a Sunday. So we did not do that July 3rd. We pushed it you know

[42:39] basically up one day one one week there. National night out national night outs

[42:44] always the first Tuesday of October. That's October 5th this year. Um, and so

[42:51] that's worked pretty good. In in previous years they've that's been a

[42:55] conflict with the Texas Municipal League conference, but they've moved that to

[42:59] later October, November. So that's good. Um, we're proposing that

[43:05] trunk or treat be on October 24th, which is a week in advance, so that's not

[43:10] conflicting directly with actual trunker Halloween. But that would be Sunday,

[43:16] October 24th. And finally, the December um holiday

[43:21] event centered around Christmas is historically the first Saturday in

[43:27] December. That first Saturday is December 4th. So, we're throwing that

[43:33] out. Um the city plans and we budget it for those amount

[43:39] and we're asking for approval of those dates at this time.

[43:43] » Okay. Thank you very much, Bill. Appreciate the input. Um the Arbor Day

[43:49] Earth Day is something that's beencome become something of a tradition in

[43:52] Shavano Park. The the trunk or treat will be coordinating with the Shavano

[43:57] Park women and and families across the community national night out. Uh is the

[44:04] police department going to actually be able to come up to the standard of the

[44:08] fire department this last year? >> Okay. I just want to make sure. and uh

[44:15] Independence Day uh the the rationale for doing it a full week plus is that in

[44:22] Shavano Park a lot of people are going to go and travel on the 4th the 3rd 4th

[44:28] of July and so we have this wonderful event and nobody would be showing up. Uh

[44:34] the great thing about December the 4th on our on our holiday festival is

[44:40] Santa Claus is going to be here. I I can just guarantee you Santa Claus is going

[44:44] to be here and it's going to snow. It snows every first uh first Saturday in

[44:52] December. So, I know that I know that for all the children who are watching

[44:56] right now that they're thinking, golly, is Santa Claus going to show up in

[44:59] Shavano Park and is it going to snow? And the answer is it's going to snow.

[45:03] And we have a city ordinance out there someplace. I haven't been able to find

[45:06] it, but you can throw snowballs at fathers and grandfathers all you want,

[45:11] but you can't throw snowballs at your mothers and grandmothers without

[45:14] specific permission. Uh Pete probably has the ordinance. He may have pulled it

[45:19] out of the books just because he was tired of getting his granddaughter

[45:22] throwing snowballs at him, but we're going to be doing a lot of fun. So, uh,

[45:26] we have a motion to approve the the dates as proposed as outlined above, uh,

[45:33] for city sponsored events, the garage sale, Arbor Day, Earth Day, Independence

[45:37] Day, National Night Out, Trunk or Treat, the Holiday Event. Uh, do we have a

[45:41] motion? We have a motion from Lee. Do we have a

[45:45] second? >> Second.

[45:47] » We have a second from Conrad. >> Is there any discussion? There being no

[45:53] discussion, all in favor say I. I >> I

[45:56] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. Pete, did I hear you? Okay.

[46:04] Okay. Uh, brings us to

[46:09] item 8.7, discussion action, setting the dates. Oh, we already did that. Sorry

[46:14] about that. Um, 8.6, discussion action considering the creation of an ad hoc.

[46:20] Yes. >> Oh, okay. Yes, I I didn't miss that.

[46:25] Okay. Uh discussion action setting the dates for the holiday the city holidays.

[46:30] Is that going to be Bill or is that going to be you? Okay. I think it's

[46:34] Bill. Bill.

[46:38] Well, uh the holidays are set by uh the city council. We establish them in the

[46:43] budget as well as the uh the employee handbook. And so then it's just a matter

[46:47] of every day, every year taking a look at the dates that align with with what

[46:53] we normally do. Um, see, let's see. I'm trying to think if

[46:58] there was any abnormal days. Christmas Day. Okay. Yeah. So,

[47:05] we had an option to move Christmas Eve to the 23rd and Christmas Day to the

[47:10] 24th or leave Christmas Eve as the 24th, then bump the the Christmas Day

[47:15] celebration holiday until the 27th. Staff is recommending that we keep

[47:21] Christmas Eve at the 24th and then just bump the Christmas Day holiday to the

[47:25] 27th. Effectively gives us a 4-day weekend. We know that most years most of

[47:31] our staff take off between Christmas and New Year's anyway and this um

[47:39] the schedule facilitates that. Okay. Uh Bill, did we have 14 days last

[47:46] year? Um I know that we've got one of these that's a floating holiday for uh

[47:51] first responders day, which isn't listed as an optional. Last year we had it

[47:56] listed as an optional holiday that you could take one or the other of a

[48:02] different day on here. Um we we've done that historically. Do we

[48:07] still do that in our handbook? >> Yes. Um in the handbook in the handbook

[48:11] it'll state that they'll be able to swap out a Veterans Day for another holiday

[48:15] if they'd prefer. I to my knowledge nobody has ever taken up that. So, so

[48:20] Veterans Day is we have 13 holidays and Veterans Day is an optional holiday or

[48:25] we're closed on Veterans Day this year. >> We always have for Well, correction,

[48:29] last year you added New Year's Eve, which gave us 14 holidays. When they add

[48:34] Patriots Day, which is the 911 day, it does not add a holiday.

[48:40] » That's the optional one. Patriots Day is the optional. They can swap it out.

[48:44] » Okay. Okay. Uh, do we have a motion to approve

[48:50] the 2027 official holiday schedule as presented?

[48:55] » We have a motion from Lee. >> Second.

[48:58] » We have a second from Conrad. We're now open for discussion. Is there any

[49:02] discussion?

[49:05] There being no discussion, all in favor say I.

[49:07] » I. >> I.

[49:09] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. Item 8.6, Six discussion action

[49:15] consideration for creating an ad hoc city of Shavano Park bee committee for

[49:20] the purpose of maintaining healthy beehives [clears throat]

[49:24] in a safe environment while promoting educational activities. Uh Peter, are

[49:29] you going to talk or is this going to be Bill? So I think it's gonna be Bill.

[49:35] [laughter] Is it gonna be Pet or Bill?

[49:40] I'm happy to do it. But maybe maybe it's a co-effort.

[49:46] » I'll uh I'll kick it off, Bill. So, one of the things is uh three months ago,

[49:50] it's hard to believe we've had bees in Shavano Park for three months. But one

[49:54] of the the key things we started to do is is we want to be more systematic in

[49:58] the way that we manage those bees. And so, Bill and I have actually put

[50:02] together almost a tiered type of philosophy. And the first has to do with

[50:07] establishing and learning. And so that's establish the bees and then making sure

[50:11] we know how to take care of them. And so Bill and I have actually been working

[50:14] with Heather Wilps very closely and she has been a great mentor. We've been to

[50:18] classes as well uh and have learned a lot about bees. One of the things I was

[50:23] really surprised at though that I didn't expect is one of the things that I've

[50:27] learned the most is about risk and the risk of bees that uh you know our bees

[50:33] are relatively tame but we have a lot of bees in Shavano Park that are wild bees

[50:38] and by kind of going through this process we have learned a lot more about

[50:41] bees and the risks associated with bees and how to how to manage those bees.

[50:46] This this the next tier that we were talking about was actually maintain and

[50:49] protect. And that would involve, you know, making sure that we have the

[50:53] honeybees and and start to establish a uh a a group that would that would help

[50:59] do that, make this sustainable. Uh and then tier three would be to promote and

[51:04] educate. Again, the whole purpose of this is to educate our community of the

[51:08] importance of bees. uh to talk about insecticides and the harm that that does

[51:13] to the bees and and to make sure that people understand the importance that

[51:17] they bring. Uh it's it's actually been interesting

[51:21] because we've uh both Bill and I have joined the Alamo uh Beekeepers

[51:25] Association and we have I didn't think anybody else had bees within Shaveo Park

[51:31] except for uh Heather and we're starting to find out that multiple people have

[51:35] have bees and and we've met some at the uh the Alamo uh uh beekeepers

[51:41] association. So the concept here is and what we originally when we started this

[51:46] is how do you educate people in the general public but one of the things

[51:50] that we're finding more important is how do you educate beekeepers

[51:55] uh that have different challenges and interface with different things. So it's

[51:58] it's the ability to bring a community together so we can learn together. Bill,

[52:03] what did I leave out and and what else do you want to add to it? Yeah. So,

[52:07] again, um not to belver it too long, but keeping bees alive and safe is is

[52:13] challenging. Mostly alive because if you don't have the right conditions, uh

[52:18] they'll swarm and find another nest and you've lost your hive. Um our hives are

[52:23] queen from uh very domestic uh bred bees. Believe it or not, they have a

[52:30] pedigree, so to speak, and they come from Northern California where there's

[52:33] never been um exposed to Africanized bees. And by having them produce males,

[52:39] which are called drones, that they're out in the neighborhoods, any wild

[52:43] hives, actually will breed into them and they'll breed into the very um tame

[52:47] amount. So, we're actually doing a service there. But, we thought about the

[52:51] amount of work we do. We check it twice, once uh once every two weeks. It's not

[52:56] very hard. It's about a an hour's worth of work and uh it's going to be fun, but

[53:02] we need to be able to sustain that as well as educate that. And so when you're

[53:06] talking about education programs, we need a few more people to help us out.

[53:10] Uh there's a resident on Cliffside and one on on Bent Oak that have hives,

[53:15] believe it or not. And we know there's wild hives around because when we're

[53:19] doing construction projects, they're in trees and we discover them. Um and we

[53:25] work through that. So, we're proposing that a staff member, an alderman, three

[53:29] residents, and a subject matter expert to act as an adviser form this ad hoc

[53:35] bee um um committee. And they would be tasked with responsibilities such as

[53:41] maintaining the healthy beehive, uh maintaining a safe beehive site,

[53:47] coordinating educational activities, helping coordinate Arbor Earth Day

[53:51] educational activities to include speakers andor a booth andor a visit to

[53:56] the uh to the beehives itself and monitoring and fulfilling annual

[54:01] requirements to B City USA. We are B city USA but there are some requirements

[54:05] that take you to reapplication every time. Uh we we also attended a honeym uh

[54:11] uh class on last not this Saturday but the Saturday before and it's fascinating

[54:16] and it would be perfect to have it um pull out some honey in a year or two and

[54:21] then have a demonstration have uh residents come and and help participate

[54:25] in that and then pour their honey right into jars and take it home with them. So

[54:29] we're excited about that. But this is intended also to help with the

[54:33] continuity of the hive. So there's just not two people trying to take care of

[54:36] it, but we're spreading the wealth and educating at the same time.

[54:43] » Sorry. Thank you very much. Okay. Uh at this time, Pete, I'm going to entertain

[54:46] a motion from you to approve the creation of an ad hoc city of Shavano

[54:50] Park B committee. I'd like for you to name the one staff member, one alderman,

[54:54] three residents, and one subject matter expert as advisor for the purposes of

[55:00] maintaining healthy beehives in a safe environment while promoting educational

[55:03] activities. >> So moved.

[55:05] » No, no. You you you get to name six people. You have to name six people.

[55:12] » Well, we don't have the residents yet. We were gonna

[55:14] » You don't have the res. >> We're going to throw out, you know, a

[55:16] sane and a castinet and is the alderman. No, no, I don't think so. I I think that

[55:24] what you can do is that you can name your staff member, your alderman, and

[55:28] your subject matter expert, and leave it to the three of them to name the three

[55:32] uh residents if that's acceptable to council.

[55:36] » So, I'd be the alderman, it would be Bill for the city. It would be uh

[55:40] Heather Wilt for uh for our >> Okay. So, state that as a motion and

[55:45] then also say that the three will designate the three residents. Uh so the

[55:50] motion is motion to approve the creation of an ad hoc city of Shavano Park B

[55:55] committee with uh Bill Hill as the staff member. Uh myself as the alderman uh

[56:03] three residents to be named at a separate time

[56:07] and uh the subject matter expert would be Heather Wilt.

[56:12] » Okay. uh as as uh the for the purpose of maintaining healthy beehives in a safe

[56:18] environment while promoting educational activities.

[56:21] » Okay. You said at a later time uh the three residents to be selected by the

[56:26] three members of the committee or to come back to council.

[56:32] » Uh >> okay. To be named by the committee.

[56:36] Okay. No, that's okay. Great. Okay. So, we have a motion to approve the

[56:41] creation. Do we have a second? >> Second.

[56:44] » We have a second from Conrad Christian. I don't think you're going to be on this

[56:47] committee. Sorry. We have a motion to approve the creation of an ad hoc city

[56:53] of Shabano Park B committee uh consisting of Bill Hill as a staff

[56:58] member. uh Pete Miller as an alderman, three

[57:02] residents to be maimed by the other members of the committee, one subject

[57:05] matter expert, Heather Wilk, uh for the purpose of maintaining

[57:11] healthy beehives in the city of Shavano Park, promoting educational activities.

[57:15] Um we have a motion and a second.

[57:20] Do we have any discussion? There being no discussion, all in favor

[57:26] say I. >> I.

[57:29] All oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. 40.

[57:34] Okay. Item 8.5, discussion, action, boards and commissions, appointment,

[57:39] designation of council subcommittee members to review and provide

[57:42] recommendations. Uh Kristen, do you want to do this or do

[57:47] you want me to do this? Okay. Every year we uh in the August time period name a

[57:52] number of people I guess September name new members to our various committees.

[57:58] the uh planning and zoning commission, the board of adjustments, the tree and

[58:02] beautifification committee, the water committee, the investment committee. Uh

[58:07] there are 18 slots that are available this year. We have already had 14 or 15

[58:13] um applications for those committees. Uh what we have been doing the last several

[58:18] years is that there have been two council members who have been reviewing

[58:23] the applications uh having interviews with the people so that we have an

[58:27] opportunity to know the people who are coming on board uh and explain what the

[58:32] committee system is about and it's been really quite successful. Um

[58:38] Pete uh I'm uh you seem to have drawn the black bean and you were the

[58:43] perpetual member on this so I'm going to that you make a motion to appoint um

[58:49] two people to the boards and subcom uh commission subcommittee.

[58:55] » So yeah, I'll be I'll be glad to volunteer again. I uh I think it it

[59:00] brings a lot to be able to to sit down and really talk to people and understand

[59:04] what their desires are and to understand how the where the best fit for them is.

[59:08] Uh, you know, I one of the person that I learned a lot from was Maggie and uh and

[59:14] she played the other part of the role that we had and since uh Christian has

[59:18] actually taken Maggie's role, I I think he needs to take her his role here. So,

[59:21] if he's willing to be I'd be honored, too.

[59:23] » Okay. Thank you. >> So, let's see your motion. So, the

[59:27] motion is to approve the appointment of Alderman Pete Miller and uh and uh

[59:33] Christristen Christian uh to the board of commissions and sub to the board and

[59:38] commission subcommittee. >> Okay, we have a motion from uh from Pete

[59:45] with a second from from [clears throat] Lee. Do we have any discussion?

[59:52] There being disc no discussion, all in favor say I. I. I.

[59:56] » All oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. 40 O. U. Without objection.

[1:00:04] We're going to dispense with it. We're going to pull item four discussion

[1:00:08] action approval of city group medical dental vision life insurance for fiscal

[1:00:13] year 2027 and authorizing this city manager to enter into an agreement. Do I

[1:00:19] have any objection to pulling that item from the agenda? There being no

[1:00:22] objection, item 8.4 four is pulled from the agenda.

[1:00:28] Uh brings us to item 8.1 discussion action ordinance 0 2026001

[1:00:34] establishing a water supply fee for water customers of the city of Shavano

[1:00:39] Park system for the purpose of funding the purchase of Edwards aer water

[1:00:44] acreage fee for the use of the water system. U Al I'm going to recognize you

[1:00:49] and Bill. Who's going to speak first?

[1:00:54] » [clears throat] >> So, in general, I'll kind of tee it up

[1:00:57] and then Al's going to come up and back stop me, but he's really going to talk

[1:01:01] about the town hall and kind of how that went from there.

[1:01:05] » Yeah. I'm also going to recognize the vice chairman if he has something to add

[1:01:10] to this as well as >> and Steve's here, Steve Fleming as well.

[1:01:15] » Yeah, Steve as well.

[1:01:19] Okay. So, most of you know this, but the Edwards Aquifer Authority, which is a

[1:01:25] regulatory uh body, governs the use of water from Edwards Aquifer, and it

[1:01:31] assesses pumping restrictions each day during the times of the lower aquifer

[1:01:39] and the droughts to limit the plumbing, the pumping, and the use of the water

[1:01:43] rights in order to maintain an adequate water level in the aquifer. For example,

[1:01:49] in stage three restrictions, if you have 100 acre feet of rights,

[1:01:56] you're restricted 30% and you would only able to be used uh 7%

[1:02:03] 70% of that. It turns out that I think it was today

[1:02:08] or yesterday we actually moved into stage one for the first time in a long

[1:02:12] time. So that's that's very good. But the hot summer is getting ready to

[1:02:16] happen. Um so um in this briefing again I've got

[1:02:22] I pulled about seven or eight slides. I did not include the entire

[1:02:28] slide deck from the the town hall that we did. We do have them available and we

[1:02:34] could refer back to them if someone has a question on it as we move forward from

[1:02:38] there. But

[1:02:42] basically every year the water we have a water advisory committee. is made up of

[1:02:46] eight residents of Shav Park. They all live in the service area that the water

[1:02:52] system provides. We typically meet monthly. We develop the budget. We go

[1:02:56] through amendments. We look at all the advice that needed to operate on the

[1:03:01] water system and we always look at the amount of pumpage of water that we have

[1:03:07] on a year-to- basis. In fact, we look at it monthly and uh then we assess that.

[1:03:13] We've uh probably been assessing the amount of water rights authorized for

[1:03:18] the city of Shavon Park to pump since the EA was formed in January of 2001.

[1:03:24] Uh in that year we were issued a um a initial permit regular permit of 541

[1:03:33] acre feet. acref foot as you can see on the second

[1:03:38] line there is 3,00 325,000 gallons plus I'm told that back in the day that we

[1:03:46] used to pump over 1,000 acre feet sometimes 900 but I've actually seen

[1:03:52] records where we've had 1100 acre feet pumped and and over time actual usage

[1:03:59] has gone down because people are cognizant of the aquafer and they're

[1:04:02] they're selfconserving so to speak just to work through all that. But the 541

[1:04:10] was not enough. And so there was an initial surge in 2001, 2002, and 2003 to

[1:04:17] purchase almost 300 more acre feet. Um we we just recently gained some records

[1:04:25] um where in 2003 we purchased water rights for approximately $880

[1:04:32] per acre foot. And so that's where we stand. In the last three years, as

[1:04:37] highlighted in the bottom right corner, we have had to subleasase an additional

[1:04:43] 315 acre feet in 2023, 135 in 2024,

[1:04:50] and 266 acre feet in 2025. We are um projecting already this year that we're

[1:04:57] going to have to lease between 100 and 200 acre feet this year. And so

[1:05:04] part of the consideration is you know are you able to sub lease and what is

[1:05:09] the future going to um um entail. So in the last few years we've been able to at

[1:05:19] the last minute subleas from people is not very easy to do. You got to really

[1:05:23] knock on doors and find them. But we've been able to do it at a reasonable cost.

[1:05:27] So the proposal to um basic by by the whack is you know we're never going to

[1:05:34] get to where we buy enough acre feet at least now to where we can take care of

[1:05:40] every single year's drought but we can move ourselves closer to that sweet spot

[1:05:47] where if we have to sublease we're not trying to sublease 300 or 250 or a lot.

[1:05:53] we're we're at a much level much smaller level because we don't know in 10 years

[1:05:58] or 15 or 20 what the availability of of subleasased property is going to be in

[1:06:04] terms of water rights. The other thing that's occurring is the Edwards Aquifer

[1:06:08] Authority is constantly changing the rules. So it used to be when I first got

[1:06:14] here if you didn't pump it you didn't have to pay for it. And then you if you

[1:06:18] didn't pump it you could get credits for it. Now it doesn't matter whether you

[1:06:21] pump it or you don't pump it, you have to pay for it. We also know that in the

[1:06:24] broad scheme of things, SAS is trying to buy thousands and thousands of acre

[1:06:28] feet. I know uh Leyon Valley is trying to find uh acre feet. New developments

[1:06:34] that come in um and they want Sauls to provide the water rights to water

[1:06:39] service. Sauls will agree to do that only if the developer comes in with the

[1:06:44] water rights that they go purchase that they can then provide. So water is a

[1:06:48] commodity that is going to become scarce and so generally speaking we think we

[1:06:53] have a small window of opportunity even though the prices have gone up. That's

[1:06:58] what we're going to do. Next slide. You can see this slide shows that in 2003

[1:07:04] that uh line represents $880. And then the from 2016 to 18 to

[1:07:13] basically 24 and 25 those are known um price um price levels. So in 2018 when I

[1:07:21] first got here we bought some acre feet for uh like $5,600

[1:07:27] and and that's what that in the middle of the chart shows. And you can see that

[1:07:30] that price has gone up almost double since then. Anyway,

[1:07:36] um again, this is um if you were just looking at it this year, could we

[1:07:42] sublease more acre feet? And the answer of course is yes.

[1:07:46] In 20 or 30 years, we don't know. And this is all about protecting the water

[1:07:50] [clears throat] system. I don't have it in my brief, but if you were to look at

[1:07:53] the slides where you show the comparison of Shavana Park's water rates to the

[1:07:59] city of San Antonio's water rates, you'll see that we're fairly comp

[1:08:03] compatible and and and pretty much consistent at the lower levels even

[1:08:08] though SAWS greatly subsidizes all their users that are in lower economic status

[1:08:15] or even to a degree low water users. But once you get to past 12,000 gallons,

[1:08:23] 18,000 gallons, you're talking about trip double, triple, quadruple the price

[1:08:29] in terms of what SAS charges their residents. And a big part of that is a

[1:08:34] water supply fee, which is similar to what we're we're uh we're we're trying

[1:08:38] to apply, but ours at a at a much stable uh level. So again, I've already kind of

[1:08:43] talked about we're in a periodic persistent drought, increased

[1:08:47] development, limited water rights. It doesn't actually influence what we can

[1:08:51] pump out of the ground. We can pump as much as out of the ground as we want. We

[1:08:56] just get um fined and then we have to pay for the water rights in rears plus

[1:09:01] the fines and the embarrassment that would occur. But you know what we're

[1:09:05] really trying to do is protect the water rights for the long term. Next slide.

[1:09:12] So, we bought some um water rights last year for

[1:09:18] um a little over 10,000. Most of the uh the sellers were asking 14,000, 12,000

[1:09:27] and through some tough negotiations, Johnny and I um we got those for 1028

[1:09:33] and and 105. Um, we're for budgetary purposes we're

[1:09:39] saying 11,000. We may not be able to get 150 acre feet for 11,000, but if we did,

[1:09:44] that would be 1.65 uh million dollars. And the water utility fund does not have

[1:09:50] $1.65 million hanging around. That's about what our balance is, but we have a

[1:09:57] capital replacement fund. We have other infrastructures, and we certainly don't

[1:10:00] want to draw down to zero. So, we're looking at financing this to a degree,

[1:10:05] which would mean there would be an annual principal payment plus an

[1:10:08] interest payment. The terms of that have not been

[1:10:12] finalized yet. So, for just for grins, we've used five years at 3.75 because

[1:10:17] that's what our money market is is is uh we're making in that. Now, there's been

[1:10:23] some upward um inflation, I mean upward gains in the money market. So what if uh

[1:10:28] the terms were more like 4% and we spread it out six years or 4% for five

[1:10:34] years. You know this is something that in the

[1:10:37] future will be determined once we buy the water rights what's the exact terms

[1:10:42] but for today's purposes we just have some illustrations here and you know

[1:10:48] shorter in a way is better to to unencumber the the water system and the

[1:10:55] city from this debt but at the same time if you can extend it then that reduces

[1:11:00] the payment and so a lot of that will depend upon the cost of the water and

[1:11:04] how that flushes out at the very end. So again, these aren't meant to be this

[1:11:09] is what we're what the exact terms are, but if you look at that, that's a range

[1:11:14] of 365,000 to $318,000.

[1:11:20] So we go to the next slide. >> That's per month.

[1:11:24] » Yeah. Per per year.

[1:11:30] » Oh, right. I'm sorry. Per year for the five years.

[1:11:33] So now we're what we're doing is we're looking at okay well how do we recover

[1:11:38] enough funds to repay the principal and the interest in a reasonable amount of

[1:11:44] time. And so we came up with actually nine options that the water advisory

[1:11:48] committee um looked at over a three-month period of time. And so what

[1:11:53] you're going to see is option number nine here. And prior the next slide is

[1:11:57] going to be eight, but I'm just going to cover this one here briefly.

[1:12:02] Part of the problem is is the more you charge for water, the less users will

[1:12:08] use intuitively.

[1:12:11] Um, so again, if you're actually looking to pay back a known debt and we don't

[1:12:17] have economies of scale like SAS does, SAS has got what 400,000 uh customers

[1:12:22] that they residential customers that they provide water to plus commercial.

[1:12:27] And so, you know, fluctuations here and there don't have a lot of effect for

[1:12:30] them, but has some um this first um proposal option which is not the one

[1:12:39] that whack recommended the water advisory committee but is one to be

[1:12:42] considered provides the most certainty in the fees collected. In other words,

[1:12:47] if we know that we have um 684

[1:12:53] um customers,

[1:12:57] » basically residential properties, they each have a meter. And then if you

[1:13:01] multiply that by 12, some of them are in tier one for a month, some are in tier

[1:13:06] two, some in tier three. And you can see that in tier six, which is over 100,000

[1:13:11] gallons of water used, you know, there are 153 months where one resident is

[1:13:17] used over 100,000 gallons. We actually make the most money when they use

[1:13:23] 100,000 gallons because it doesn't cost near as much to produce the water as it

[1:13:28] does to um pump it. So, um, as to collect on it, but $36 per household,

[1:13:37] residential households, and there's a couple commercials we'd have to add in

[1:13:40] there, [clears throat] provides us $36,720,

[1:13:44] and that is a known that is that will not be var variable. That's the that's

[1:13:49] the pros and advantage to this is you have a

[1:13:53] fixed income. But you notice that 306 still is short

[1:13:58] the range that we showed you. Go back to the slide before. The slide before that

[1:14:02] range is 312 to 365. So go back one slide. I mean no forward two.

[1:14:12] So again, this is just the 36 gets you into the ballpark. It doesn't get you to

[1:14:16] the whole cost of that. And uh next slide, option two.

[1:14:23] Here we looked at a uh a hybrid in [clears throat] which we charge each

[1:14:27] household $30. And then for tiers three, four, five, and six, there's an

[1:14:34] additional 15 or an additional 35 or an additional uh 25, 35, or 45. It's not

[1:14:41] cumulative. Okay? So if you were Sauls, you would pay the 30 plus the 15. Then

[1:14:47] if you were tier 40 plus 25, plus 35, etc. So um

[1:14:56] um basically you can see the little call

[1:14:59] out box. The estimated revenues will float based upon the weather and demand.

[1:15:03] So if you have a real wet year and you don't have as much um water used, you

[1:15:09] won't even pull in 307. That's the danger behind this one. But this does

[1:15:14] distribute some of the cost, the extra cost for the additional water to the

[1:15:19] higher water users. Now, uh, tier three, Johnny, correct me if I'm wrong. I think

[1:15:25] that's over, is that over 25,000 gallons or 20,000?

[1:15:31] Do you remember? Okay. Somewhere right there. Um, if you

[1:15:36] use 20,000 gallons, 22,000 gallons, you're still tier two. Most of

[1:15:41] [clears throat] our Okay, there you go. 30,000.

[1:15:44] » 30,000. Go back one.

[1:15:50] So you look at tier three, four, five, there's not a lot of revenue in those on

[1:15:56] the uh on those lines there. And again, it'll float from there, but it does cost

[1:16:01] share from there. And if you look at out of the

[1:16:08] numerous monthly bills, over 6,000 of the bills were tier one,

[1:16:15] tier two, and probably only about 2500 are tiers 2, three, four, I mean three,

[1:16:21] four, five, and six. So I will tell you that the whack you looked at a model

[1:16:27] that was strictly based upon tiers. So you started paying at tier one, tier

[1:16:32] two, tier three, tier four, tier five, and tier six. All different amounts. We

[1:16:37] considered how difficult that would be to administer

[1:16:40] and then the fluctuations that would occur on them as we move forward. And we

[1:16:46] thought that this this hybrid model would be about

[1:16:50] a balance. Next slide. This shows you the whole tier schedule

[1:16:56] that we currently have. You can see the biggest up uptick in

[1:17:01] prices at at tier six after you use 100,000 gallons. Each um thousand

[1:17:07] gallons cost you 111 um

[1:17:11] 94. Here's where you get to the specifics.

[1:17:15] 24% of our customers bills are uh are tier one. 48 are tier 2. That's a total

[1:17:24] of 72% of the customers are all tier one, tier two and would not receive th

[1:17:30] those tiered um in influx. Any questions on that?

[1:17:37] Okay, next slide. Okay, turn it over to Al. Sorry to keep

[1:17:42] you up there so long. It's it's a pleasure to be with you tonight. We had

[1:17:46] the privilege of holding a town hall meeting last Monday. We had a very good

[1:17:51] attendance. We had considerably more people there then than we do here

[1:17:56] tonight. Uh lots of good questions, a lot of interest.

[1:18:00] Water issues have certainly become high visibility in the state of Texas. Corpus

[1:18:06] Christi, many other cities are having water issues. As we build out more in

[1:18:10] this area, such as a Toyota plant, you know, computer facilities, etc., and

[1:18:16] just simply people moving into the area, there's going to be a lot of pressure on

[1:18:20] the water and there aren't going to be any more tunnel water rights. So, when

[1:18:26] we say we're leasing water, it's a rent. We pay rent for one year. When we

[1:18:31] purchase water rights, it is a contracted amount and we actually have a

[1:18:36] deed to it just like you're buying a piece of property. So we had a very good

[1:18:40] presentation, good discussion at the uh water advisory committee, received

[1:18:46] extremely positive feedback from the uh from the citizens and I I was shocked at

[1:18:51] the end we actually received applause. So I I believe Alderman Miller and

[1:18:55] Alderman Lions were both there and if you have questions and you'd like a more

[1:19:00] unbiased opinion, I'm sure either of them could help. Um, so a lot of the

[1:19:05] feedback I've received both in the town hall and also from citizens that live

[1:19:10] around me is people appreciate the fact that Shavano Park allows the citizens of

[1:19:16] Chevo Park to make their own informed decisions as to what they want to do

[1:19:20] about watering. Do they water? When do they water? How much do they water?

[1:19:26] Obviously, we have a progressive uh charge for it. So the more you use, the

[1:19:31] more expensive it gets per thousand. And that's why the water advisory committee

[1:19:36] felt like putting a little bit of additional burden on the higher ones was

[1:19:40] a fair way to do that. So I'd be happy to entertain any questions that anybody

[1:19:44] might have. >> Okay. Well, uh, I'm gonna ask the first

[1:19:47] question before I go down the line, [clears throat]

[1:19:50] and that is, um, you know, the the the numbers of 15, 25, 35, and 45

[1:19:57] compared to what Bill showed us on his water bill just seemed remarkably

[1:20:02] reasonable. Uh, as you went through those tiers, did you happen to consider

[1:20:07] the economic impact of going 20, 30, 40, and 50? We [clears throat] we looked at

[1:20:14] innumerable options. Um >> there was a lot of debate about it. This

[1:20:19] was the one that we felt was probably the best balance because the more you

[1:20:24] put into that, the more uncertainty there is as to whether you're going to

[1:20:27] receive that total revenue at the end of the year. And if we have a dry season,

[1:20:32] our income drops significantly. I'm sorry, a wet season, our income drops

[1:20:36] significantly. So water advisory committee looked at lots of options.

[1:20:40] This was our best judgment. Okay. So, so Bill, uh, you know, there's about a

[1:20:45] $13,000 delta if you if you had the same the same 28% of the users using those

[1:20:53] same numbers that if you raise the fee by $5, you know, this is getting us a

[1:20:59] long way there. It's not a perfect solution. It just kind of gets us close

[1:21:04] to where we hope to be. And how much h how much heavy lifting do you

[1:21:12] need or do you feel like we need to help provide in this case case to get you

[1:21:18] toward that 112 to or 312 to $365,000 does raising these just slightly u you

[1:21:28] know less than a cup of Starbucks a month to go from all the way up to $50

[1:21:36] at that highest tier instead of 45. Is that something that we should be

[1:21:41] considering or do you feel comfortable that at these numbers that y'all are

[1:21:46] recommending for the tiered basis that we're going to be able to service that

[1:21:51] debt? Because the last thing we want to do is is have citizens that are aren't

[1:21:56] on the water system saying, "Well, golly, the debt just seems to keep going

[1:22:00] on and nobody pays it." >> Can I offer part of the answer to that?

[1:22:04] Yeah, go ahead Al. >> Um, you know, we looked at various

[1:22:08] options. Um, we felt that this was the best balance we could strike. Some of

[1:22:14] the numbers are imprecise. We do not know exactly what we're going to be

[1:22:18] paying per acre foot to purchase the water. So, to try to be precise in this

[1:22:23] does not appear to be the best approach at this point in time. We feel this will

[1:22:29] get us in the ballpark. We felt like it was a fair balance and that was why we

[1:22:33] chose the numbers. It clearly is council's option to do it any way you

[1:22:38] choose, but this was what we presented to the town hall and what we received

[1:22:42] good feedback on. >> Okay. And and great feedback. I I'll

[1:22:45] just tell you the truth, but when I saw these numbers, Bill, and they got

[1:22:49] presented until you explained them more clearly right now, I thought that at the

[1:22:54] uh tier six number, we were paying $120. I thought it was accumulative and it was

[1:22:59] like, well, you know, you're you're using over 100,000 gallons of water. I

[1:23:04] guess that 120 as your impact fee plus the 30 doesn't necessarily offend me,

[1:23:10] but I just want to raise that because it it

[1:23:16] comes to how much heavy lifting are we having to do on the backside in order to

[1:23:21] make the budget work when it comes time to pay to service $365,000

[1:23:27] a year out of the water system back to the general fund.

[1:23:31] Yeah, I think uh chairman is is right. It's uncertain. This gets us in the

[1:23:36] ballpark. >> Okay.

[1:23:38] » And you know, again, we know if you add if you if you increase the uh the fees

[1:23:44] significantly for three, four, five, or you even add some for two, you're going

[1:23:48] to reduce the uh you're going to reduce the usage. And then what you're going to

[1:23:52] do is you're going to find yourself short on the operations and maintenance.

[1:23:57] And then you'll probably have to go back and raise a fee. So, you gota, you know,

[1:24:01] This is probably an initial starting point in balance and then you might go

[1:24:05] adjust later but you need to be more informed.

[1:24:08] » Okay. Um, Alderman Miller has requested that I entertain a motion to approve

[1:24:12] ordinance 02026001 establishing a water supply fee for the

[1:24:17] water water customers of Shavano Park system for the purpose of funding the

[1:24:21] purchase of the Edwards ARER uh acre feed for use in the water system

[1:24:28] with >> and I would like to I would like to add

[1:24:30] a little bit to that. So the water so in addition to that uh the water supply fee

[1:24:36] would be incorporated uh the water advisory committee

[1:24:40] recommendation of option two which is a hybrid model that would include a $30

[1:24:45] flat fee plus a tiered approach a three four five six user approach and that the

[1:24:52] $30 flat fee shall be discontinued at the time that the purchase loan is paid

[1:24:58] off. >> What about the balance of the fees?

[1:25:01] What about the balance of the fees for the tiers three through six?

[1:25:05] » Yeah. So it would it would be the recommendation that the water uh

[1:25:09] advisory committee has made for three three four five and six.

[1:25:13] » All of them fall off after the loan is paid off.

[1:25:19] » All of them sunset. >> That wasn't what I heard, but I just

[1:25:22] want to clarify. All of them sunset. >> Uh so I would look for either way you

[1:25:29] choose to do it. I don't think it makes a a whole lot of difference between the

[1:25:32] two. It's easy to sunset the whole thing.

[1:25:35] » Okay. Is that your [clears throat] motion?

[1:25:37] » So, sun sunset. >> Okay. Do I have a second?

[1:25:40] » Second. >> Okay. We're now open for discussion. We

[1:25:43] have a motion from Pete and a second from Lee to approve ordinance 02026001

[1:25:49] establishing a water supply fee for water customers in the Shavano Park

[1:25:53] water system for the purposes of funding the purchase of Edwards Arford Authority

[1:25:57] acre feed for the use of the water system using hybrid option two with a

[1:26:02] sunset of all fees at the retirement of the debt.

[1:26:07] » Okay. Okay. We're now open for discussions.

[1:26:11] Christian, >> uh, thank you very much for the great

[1:26:14] presentation and and I wanted to say what a good job that uh, that you all

[1:26:19] did for the town hall. you did a phenomenal job in presenting the

[1:26:23] information in a consumable way for the citizens who came um to hear uh the

[1:26:30] proposal as well as to ask questions and and I think that there was both positive

[1:26:35] replies to to the presentation and also concerned citizens who asked some very

[1:26:40] good and tough questions because they were concerns and you handled them

[1:26:43] brilliantly and I and at the end of it those folks who had concerns you really

[1:26:47] assuaged them. So, um, kudos to you on that. Um, I thank you very much, uh,

[1:26:53] Alderan Miller for bringing up that additions because I think that was

[1:26:57] feedback that we also heard at the town hall about creating a sunset to make

[1:27:00] sure that there's a finite amount of time that those fees will apply. So,

[1:27:04] thank you for adding that addition and I really want to commend your efforts and

[1:27:08] say thank you. >> Okay. Um, Pete.

[1:27:12] » Yeah. So just a comment, one of the things that I I really appreciate too is

[1:27:16] the vision and the forward looking. As I look around San Antonio, this is a fast

[1:27:21] growing area and as you look at the fast growing area, you know, the the water

[1:27:25] that people need is going to continue to increase. So now actually, you know, we

[1:27:30] would have done this sooner, that would have been great, but but now is the time

[1:27:33] to to secure these. >> Okay. Thank you, Pete. Any further

[1:27:37] discussion? There are no further discussion. Um, all

[1:27:41] in favor say I. >> I.

[1:27:43] » I. >> I I.

[1:27:44] » All uh all oppose. Same sign. The motion carries. 50. Uh want to recognize

[1:27:49] Alderman Buddy Alamman has now made it from jury

[1:27:53] duty. Thank you for joining us racing across to the north side in order to

[1:27:58] join us. >> Park cops behind me. [laughter]

[1:28:03] » I I hope not. I hope not. Okay. Brings us to item 8.2. Uh buddy, we've now

[1:28:09] completed items 8.4 which was uh pulled from the agenda 8.5 6 7 8 9 10 and 8.1.

[1:28:19] So we are now back to item 8.2. >> Thank you.

[1:28:23] » Okay. Uh item 8.2 Two discussion action ordinance 02026002

[1:28:30] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow automotive quick leave service facility

[1:28:35] CC as a special use permit in B1, B2, and office districts. This is a second

[1:28:41] reading. Um I'm going to recognize uh Dave, Bill, and Curtis for purposes of

[1:28:47] this. [clears throat]

[1:28:50] » Thank you, mayor, and thank you, councel. Uh I have a presentation that

[1:28:53] was largely presented last month. I'm happy to go through it if you want

[1:28:57] because there's towards the end of the meeting if you want I can just hit the

[1:28:59] highlights of stuff you asked for us to return back but I'm happy to run through

[1:29:02] it. Mayor, >> uh I think that for purposes of our

[1:29:05] citizenry it help if you did kind of a part of it lead us through it and then

[1:29:11] we certainly want to hear back the u the feedback items that we had extended.

[1:29:17] Um >> and and Paul uh you may have comments as

[1:29:20] well during this section as well because we do want to consider the noise outdoor

[1:29:25] seating spacing and uh any additional exceptions that may be want to be

[1:29:30] considered. >> Okay. Well, on June 22nd, uh this was

[1:29:35] taken front of city council. A public hearing was held and thereafter it was

[1:29:39] the ordinance. Uh this is kind of a package of two agenda items. I'm going

[1:29:42] to cover both 8.2 2 and 8.3. They really kind of move together. They're either

[1:29:47] disapproved or approved together. That that make sense logically. But this

[1:29:50] ordinance 003 first reading was approved. City staff asked the vice

[1:29:54] chair David Zay of the planning zoning to come and attend. The chairman was

[1:29:57] unable to make it. Uh Kyle Horland today. Um council wanted assurances from

[1:30:02] the developer Latty Bitterblue that the future development of the town homes and

[1:30:06] pit would not be negatively affected. We you'll see in this presentation that

[1:30:09] came back with that. and the council wanted assurances that the oil

[1:30:12] collection methods would meet all the environmental standards and you'll see

[1:30:14] that we have some information on that. So the lot that we're talking about

[1:30:17] again uh is lot 2314 in the Pondill East commercial and that is right behind the

[1:30:24] Starbucks uh on the loop 164 uh frontage road.

[1:30:30] The history of this lot is in back 2002 the land uh and all the Pondill East

[1:30:34] commercial was zoned from A1 to B1 residential or B1 commercial Starbucks

[1:30:38] and Mallisters developed in early 2000s in 2018 Bill Miller purchased lot next

[1:30:43] to 2314 that's the vacant lot you can see the dirt or this waterburger this is

[1:30:48] the Bill Miller lot uh water uh Bill Miller's purchased lot

[1:30:53] next to it does have no development since 2018 2019 Waterburger developed

[1:30:57] the lot next to the Bill Miller And then in 2021,

[1:31:03] the Denton Bitterblue, the Rogers Chap Park unit 189 sold the lot that we're

[1:31:08] talking about tonight, the Generations Community Federal Credit Union, which is

[1:31:11] the current property owner. And the credit unions, as a general note, do not

[1:31:15] provide any retailer sales tax to the city. Um no development actions were

[1:31:19] taken on this lot by generations until in 2026 a couple months ago RFM

[1:31:23] commercial Mark Bower here uh representing um approach city staff

[1:31:27] proposal to subdivide the lot and develop in the two retail business that

[1:31:30] will generate sales tax. So RF's proposal is for two tenants. Um

[1:31:37] it would include aa quick service restaurant with dining and drive

[1:31:41] services as well as professionally operated automotive oil change facility.

[1:31:47] So the two actions and the agenda is to allow auto those automotive oil change

[1:31:53] facilities which are not allowed use in the B1 zoning districts today. This

[1:31:56] ordinance would add it and add it as a CC use so that if another business

[1:32:02] another developer wanted to build another one of these they have to come

[1:32:04] in front of planning zoning and city council just like I'm standing here

[1:32:07] today just like Mark Bower and they have to present it to council for approval.

[1:32:13] But this would be a professionally operated low impact vehicle maintenance

[1:32:16] facility focused on routine oil changes and related light automotive services.

[1:32:20] There would be no uh storage of vehicles on the lot overnight. Um and in fact we

[1:32:24] ban that in our ordinances uh that I'll get to. So this was in your packet. Uh

[1:32:30] we have a email from Latty Denton from Bitterblue. Um I'm not going to read all

[1:32:34] this but uh he's just we he was very he's briefed on the slides. He's seen

[1:32:38] the um site development plan. He knows RFM and the the folks over there. We did

[1:32:45] site review site plans designed and use and overall context for the area and

[1:32:48] intended uses in the PID which is a 22 acres land next to it. It's going to

[1:32:52] have town homes developed and at a really high end. We do not believe the

[1:32:55] 1604 uses will cause us a marketing or perceptional issue. So we are fine with

[1:33:00] the 1604 projects that presented and we have a follow discussion with the

[1:33:04] developers during site signage design questions. We'll continue to work within

[1:33:06] plan approval. and then he has some thanks for us all including him and

[1:33:11] asking for his opinion.

[1:33:16] So this proposed uh splitting of the lot we're talking about 1.2 acres being

[1:33:23] split of 7 and a 0.53. The QSR

[1:33:28] is a term for quick service restaurant. So that be the Chipotle on the side

[1:33:32] right behind the Starbucks and then next to it would be the oil

[1:33:37] change quick lube facility with all its lanes and customers coming in. Again,

[1:33:41] not people parking and leaving their cars overnight storage. Uh there's not a

[1:33:46] lot of parking. There was a question on the parking I remember and the citizens

[1:33:51] to be heard. There's not a lot of parking that's necessary for a quick

[1:33:54] loop because all the customers come and go rapidly.

[1:34:00] So, Chipotles, I think everybody knows what they look like. I just went through

[1:34:04] and grabbed some photos of developer um of what this development could look

[1:34:07] like. This is a recent development Chipotle. It probably be something

[1:34:10] similar. We um we can't tell them what building materials they use in there,

[1:34:15] but uh Denton Bitterblue does through deed restrictions and so they

[1:34:21] coordinated that with them. Um, but that's good that they have that still

[1:34:23] that authority, but it's going to be similar to the Starbucks and the

[1:34:26] Macauers with trying to feature the limestone and and those rugged colors.

[1:34:31] Here's a take five um that's been recently built here that the developer

[1:34:35] had a picture of. Um that's what this could look like potentially

[1:34:40] park some valines um that are in the higherend areas and

[1:34:45] what that could look like here in Shamal Park.

[1:34:54] So there again there' be no out store with this proposal from RFM. There'd be

[1:34:57] no outdoor storage of used oil, oil filters, parts, tires, disabled

[1:35:01] vehicles. There's no waste materials, custom vehicles or stage only in

[1:35:04] designated parking service areas facility operate within uh appropriate

[1:35:08] environmental controls. They have to get TCQ permits. all all these businesses

[1:35:12] wherever they build in Texas are going to get a TCU permit for the uh even just

[1:35:16] temporarily holding the oil that they drain from the vehicles before they want

[1:35:20] to this is um a commodity that they want to sell in the aftermarket the used oil

[1:35:25] market that they don't waste it but even the temporary holding of it and in your

[1:35:30] packet there is a letter that the RFM was kind to provide from half

[1:35:34] engineering the engineer for their project and in there talked about how

[1:35:38] the doublewalled underground containment tanks that would have to be for this

[1:35:42] within the concrete subf foundation of the building. Um, but that is a part of

[1:35:47] their uh TCQ requirements. They have to have WPAP as well for this development.

[1:35:56] Um, and so there's a lots of controls besides the city's regulations. If you

[1:35:59] don't see a regulations on these businesses about how they store their

[1:36:02] oil, it's because this is strong in the state regulations and it's not our

[1:36:05] authority necessarily. and the financial impact the these

[1:36:10] highlights here this is all numbers been updated they didn't give themselves a

[1:36:14] full credit they ran their calculations only 1.25% 25% sales tax cut uh

[1:36:19] collection or actually 1.5. So anyways, the bottom line though is the

[1:36:23] development could provide $71,400 in sales tax revenue, $15,000 in ador tax

[1:36:29] revenue annually to the city. They base that based upon Chipotle's uh sales, $4

[1:36:34] million annually. Um I won't again run through all these numbers, uh but this

[1:36:38] is in the the packet for you. It's a small update with the 1.5 which of

[1:36:44] course is split between the general fund street maintenance and crime patrol but

[1:36:47] it all helps. So getting exactly to the agenda item

[1:36:51] 8.2 what is before on you on this agenda item. This is simply adding the CC

[1:36:56] special use permits as an allowed use within the B1 zoning category. You can

[1:37:00] see the little track changes there in red. Automotive quick loop service

[1:37:04] facility CC. Many of those uses if you look through the table, antique store,

[1:37:09] art gallery, museum, bar, tavern, they're not defined actually. Um,

[1:37:17] that's a job for Bill and I. We have to sometimes with these developments is to

[1:37:21] fit into the definition within our code when we're talking to a business. Could

[1:37:24] they are they allowed to come into shop in a park? But here we don't want to

[1:37:28] leave that to two guests. We want to actually define what these businesses

[1:37:30] are. Automo quickl service facility means a specialized service center

[1:37:34] designed for rapid routine preventative vehicle maintenance such as oil change,

[1:37:37] filter replacements and tire inflation. Routine preventative vehicle maintenance

[1:37:40] extending longer than 24 hours is prohibited. In addition, no overnight

[1:37:44] storage of of customer vehicles is allowed at these facilities.

[1:37:48] So that is the 8.2. If you don't mind, I'll go into 8.3 real

[1:37:53] quick. I think it will help inform you before we make a decision. 8.2, to

[1:37:57] there's been some changes in 8.3 the next agenda item which is where the

[1:38:01] actual um application from RFM to do this development we've

[1:38:08] added uh we worked with our attorneys and we strengthened the controls over it

[1:38:13] so last month I showed you this slide and how we were saying the ordinance

[1:38:16] shall only grant the right to to construct one automotive quick loop

[1:38:19] service facility ruling out that if they subdivide it they try to get cute and

[1:38:23] build two of these they can't do that that and we said that no Automotive auto

[1:38:27] additional automotive service may be added, expanded, or substitute beyond

[1:38:29] the scope of the routine preventable vehicle maintenance without a new CC

[1:38:33] special use permit by city council. Again, ruling out that this business

[1:38:37] that would build couldn't through project creep start adding more services

[1:38:41] and you start seeing vehicles being stored over over a long time and and it

[1:38:45] becomes an isore. Uh they would have to come back to city council to approval to

[1:38:49] do any of that. We have here in section one, we added

[1:38:53] the site plan as an exhibit within the ordinance. And then we said the granting

[1:38:58] of the special use permit, this is all in the highlighted yellow for an

[1:39:01] automotive quickloop service facilities requires a restaurant use within the

[1:39:04] development as depicted in exhibit A. Any change to the proposed land uses as

[1:39:09] depicted in exhibit A require city council approval.

[1:39:13] Again, we thought this would strengthen the concern that we heard from some on

[1:39:16] council and someone even at P&Z is that there was a worry that okay, city

[1:39:20] council would approve this and the developer wouldn't actually deliver the

[1:39:23] restaurant use, which is I think what most people are more interested in

[1:39:26] getting is a bigger sales tax generator. So, we're trying this control um would

[1:39:32] mean that if again if they're not going to build the restaurant, they have to

[1:39:35] come back to city council. So, >> thank you Curtis. Uh before I recognize

[1:39:41] Dave to describe the U P&Z process, I just want to clarify this is a

[1:39:47] [clears throat] change to the B1, not to B2. Although B B2 it's available, this

[1:39:52] would be a use available in B1 and B2 but not in the O districts.

[1:39:59] » Yes. >> Yes. I'm just confirming that because u

[1:40:02] correct. Unfortunately, when I reviewed the um

[1:40:08] uh we talked about it the last meeting, but when I reviewed the agenda, I did

[1:40:13] not strike office district. And I want to clarify that it doesn't apply to the

[1:40:17] office districts. Well, anything you can do in B1, you can

[1:40:22] always do in B2 because it's downzoning, but it applies to B2. B1 and then B2 is

[1:40:29] a lower category, so you can do it in B1 and B2. Uh Dave, if you'd come forward

[1:40:34] so that you can tell us a little bit about the planning and zoning process,

[1:40:37] how the vote went, your discussions, a little bit of that kind of stuff.

[1:40:42] » Thank you. Um I'm the vice chair uh of the PNZ and I I'll say that the of the

[1:40:48] year and a half I've been on the commission, um we had a really a hearty

[1:40:53] discussion. Uh this is probably one of two that we've had and the other being

[1:40:56] the uh uh the the trail. So, our focus was basically if we're going to change

[1:41:02] the rules, is it within our uh city strat plan, it does it meet those

[1:41:08] guidance? Um I'll tell you that the initial discussion we had the first

[1:41:14] reading um we were not really in favor of the concept because this is a huge

[1:41:20] step. You know, we haven't allowed uh auto stores or whatever in in our city

[1:41:25] for a reason. And so we kind of had the discussion about why we did that and and

[1:41:30] history about um projection. When we looked at our open uh plots of land for

[1:41:35] development in the city, we were like, "Okay, what what else do we have to do?"

[1:41:40] uh the developer uh made a very good presentation about this actual plot that

[1:41:47] with Chipotle being the the anchor if you will um the quick lube is a smaller

[1:41:53] portion and to have another uh we focused on okay what else could we put

[1:41:58] in there you know another restaurant it's not really big enough for another

[1:42:01] restaurant so it's either um it's in a has sat vacant for you know the five

[1:42:07] years or whatever since the uh credit union bought

[1:42:10] U we were thinking of okay for the planning of the city what would be best

[1:42:14] for our citizens and yeah we said that you know an oil loop place we could go

[1:42:19] down to Military Drive and uh Hebner is maybe a close one but along 16004

[1:42:25] there's really nothing um uh available to our citizens. So we kind of focused

[1:42:30] on what else could we do with this as a you know if we another developer came

[1:42:36] and presented something. Um but we also um had a hearty discussion about the oil

[1:42:42] drainage and how it affected the town homes and the adjacent property that uh

[1:42:47] uh lays down below it if you will. Um but I think our focus was really on um

[1:42:53] uh knowing that Chipoti was the the focus and the lot is very small to

[1:42:59] develop. >> Okay. What and it was reported that the

[1:43:04] vote was a 90 vote. There was a non vote. Um and uh one um I believe she

[1:43:12] changed her vote, but um it is uh there was some concerns just about the oil um

[1:43:18] and the proximity to the town homes, but uh the I I think we we focused on the

[1:43:25] development and what would be best for the residents.

[1:43:29] » Okay. Uh Bill, anything else that you'd like to add?

[1:43:33] » No. And reminder that Mark's behind me here and he's the one that's got the

[1:43:38] mastermind or the plan if you want to ask him specific questions. I think

[1:43:41] there was a question about whether there was going to be outdoor dining. I don't

[1:43:45] think there is but he would be the one that would ask.

[1:43:48] » Yeah. Well, I that would be a part of the south plan which is a second which

[1:43:53] is 8.3. So, so at at this time, um, I'll entertain a motion to approve ordinance

[1:43:59] 02026002 amending chapter 36 zoning to allow

[1:44:04] automotive quickl service facility CC as a special use permit in B1 and B2,

[1:44:12] not office.

[1:44:16] Yeah, B1 and B2 business. Do we have a motion?

[1:44:19] » So, mayor, I'd like to revise that motion. So,

[1:44:23] » well, no. I'm I'm entertaining a motion. You're making whatever motion you want.

[1:44:26] » Okay. So, here's here's the motion. So, the motion to approve ordinance 02026-2

[1:44:34] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow automotive quick lube service facilities

[1:44:40] as a special use permit in B1B2 business and office district.

[1:44:44] » Not office district. >> Okay, I'll tear that. So, strike that

[1:44:48] under the following conditions. Approval of any special use permit of

[1:44:53] the automotive quick lube service facility shall be contingent upon the

[1:44:57] development fully satisfying all commitments presented to city council

[1:45:02] regarding the establishment of the Chipoti restaurant. So in short uh once

[1:45:07] a Chipoti restaurant is operational the special permit would be approved for the

[1:45:12] uh for the other the other condition would be that the automotive quickloop

[1:45:16] service facility shall be oriented next to the Starbucks company building in the

[1:45:22] most westerly part of the lot to minimize visual impact to neighboring

[1:45:27] community. >> Okay. Uh I I understand that fully as

[1:45:31] far as ordinance 2026003. Uh 002 is just two lines, two sections

[1:45:39] revising chapter 36. So I'll hold that motion in advance. But

[1:45:46] first, we have to approve chapter 36's amendment before we I think we want to

[1:45:52] consider the amendment of chapter 36 before we consider the amendment to

[1:45:57] chapter to the actual agreement. Okay. Um so, so do I have a motion to approve

[1:46:04] the amendment of chapter 36 zoning for B1 and B2?

[1:46:13] » I'd like to make that motion. Okay, we have a motion from Conrad to approve

[1:46:20] uh ordinance 0 2026002 amending

[1:46:24] uh chapter 36 zoning to allow ODM automotive quick fleet service facility

[1:46:29] CC as a special use permit in B1 and B2 district. Uh this is a second reading.

[1:46:35] Do I have a second? >> Second it.

[1:46:37] » We have a second from Buddy. We're now open for discussion on the amendment

[1:46:42] solely of chapter 36. Okay, Pete.

[1:46:47] » So, uh, when I moved to Shavano Park, uh, we moved here about seven years ago

[1:46:51] and we purchased a lot and built a home. And what attracted me to Shavano Park is

[1:46:56] it's very very different and you you know the difference when when you're

[1:47:00] here. And uh so it's funny when you go down Northwest Military, I know when I'm

[1:47:06] in San Antonio and I know uh when when I'm not in uh in Shavano Park, it's just

[1:47:14] it's a very different feel. It's a very different feel. And so my my concern is

[1:47:19] that this starts to erode that feeling. And this is the reason why I wanted to

[1:47:23] be part of Shavano Park. Uh so uh I my my view is is this this doesn't add to

[1:47:31] uh to what we're trying to achieve the vision of Shavano Park. I mean that's I

[1:47:36] I I know one of the things is when you look at the town plan there's competing

[1:47:40] priorities in there. I I get that we're yeah we're looking for revenue. We're

[1:47:44] looking for that. But to me the higher priority is the vision the the feel that

[1:47:48] we're looking for the city. And to me this this doesn't give that feel. and uh

[1:47:52] and and I you know uh it's it's uh it's not what what the the vision that that I

[1:48:00] hope to to see for Shavano Park. >> Great. Thank you, Pete. Uh others

[1:48:06] Christian, >> uh thank you very much uh again for the

[1:48:10] the reading. Uh just as we gave a little bit of a presentation again um for the

[1:48:15] first reading, I'm going to offer some of my comments. They're probably similar

[1:48:18] to after the first reading as well. Um, in putting a quick loop facility, I

[1:48:23] think we have to ask for Chevo Park, similar to what Alderman Miller had

[1:48:27] said, is this the vision we had for for Chevano Park? And two, is this a service

[1:48:31] that's really desired and demanded by by Chevno Park citizens? And is one6 of the

[1:48:37] revenue I'm using the updated numbers of 60,000 verse 11,500

[1:48:43] about 16, is that worth an exception to the ordinance? And would another option

[1:48:48] such as another restaurant to offer diversity or another business option

[1:48:51] within the current ordinance rules offer better revenue and better meet the wants

[1:48:57] and needs of our citizens? And um doing a little research uh on via the urban

[1:49:03] land institute, quick loop facilities are better for owners developers because

[1:49:07] they offer better profit margins due to simpler operations and lower labor

[1:49:11] costs. but it doesn't realize a greater tax revenue for the city as we've

[1:49:16] already uh demonstrated. Um and and this location is nice because it offers um

[1:49:22] easy access for for folks to get in and out of a a quick loop facility. I get

[1:49:27] that. Um and if this can be argued as a needed daily necessity, the Urban Land

[1:49:34] Institute argues that it might be good to have such a facility. But but how

[1:49:38] many of these quick move facilities do we need? and are there other very close

[1:49:42] close quick loop options um between where that lot is 2.7 miles away just on

[1:49:50] the other side of of heapner is another valing so that's within seven seven

[1:49:56] minutes and the national league of cities tell us that an urban planning

[1:49:59] concept of necessities and services being within 15 minutes of where you

[1:50:03] live is a desirable um plan for the city so we already have one within seven

[1:50:10] minutes same brand that we're talking about potentially putting in. You know,

[1:50:14] perhaps we already meet the need needs of our citizens. And and I introduced

[1:50:18] this last time doing a quick look on maps. There's seven take five facilities

[1:50:23] just outside of Chevno Park city limits. There's five valve lanes just outside of

[1:50:28] Shaveno Park city limits. And I used 281,6004,

[1:50:33] 410, and I 10 as kind of my limits of the area that I looked. But in all of

[1:50:38] San Antonio, there's between 200 and 240, this is via Google, dedicated oil

[1:50:43] change and quick loop facilities. When you look at broader automotive

[1:50:47] maintenance, the broader automotive maintenance footprints, it's well over a

[1:50:52] thousand businesses. Uh, by contrast, via Google, there's 21

[1:50:57] Chipotles. So, a thousand place I could get my oil change versus 21 places where

[1:51:02] I could get my Chipotle. So, you know, uh, in the citizens to be heard

[1:51:06] comments, we heard early this evening. We we heard concerns about precedent

[1:51:10] being set where where I get it. We can any other place that perhaps wants to

[1:51:15] put on an oil loop facility or other still has to come before city council.

[1:51:18] But it it's hard for us to say no, we're going to allow it for them, but not

[1:51:23] somewhere else when we have a very very small amount of developable developable

[1:51:29] land within Shavano Park. And so that finite amount of land I think needs to

[1:51:35] be considered when we're talking about our city plan and the vision that we

[1:51:38] have for Shao Park and and and I appreciate the other comments about the

[1:51:42] potential for noise parking concerns or other I do want to commend the commend

[1:51:47] the developer and for plans zoning consider things like um pollution and

[1:51:53] making sure that we're keeping up with um uh ecological considerations. And I

[1:51:58] think that that you did a good job of switching my concerns on that in the

[1:52:01] last meeting, but I but that concern is still out there that I think we need to

[1:52:05] be very cognizant about of our citizens and I will say that restaurants are

[1:52:11] better hubs for social interaction and they employ more people and they are

[1:52:15] better source of revenue and I think also that our citizens they like

[1:52:18] diversity of choices and another restaurant provides that for us. um and

[1:52:23] we don't need to grant an ordinance exception to another restaurant. Now,

[1:52:28] I'm very um understanding of the fact that the amount of space that's there

[1:52:33] doesn't offer perhaps for another restaurant, but but is there another

[1:52:37] option that meets our city's vision will provide us the revenue that we need and

[1:52:43] is worth holding out for? Um and and allows us to still protect the city

[1:52:48] ordinance as it's currently written. Um, I I think these are all things that we

[1:52:53] need to consider as we um go to vote on this. Um, and and I and I'm concerned

[1:52:59] too that maybe a lot of our citizens in Chevano Park didn't realize that this is

[1:53:03] a consideration for how we're going to develop this land. Um, we had a great

[1:53:08] town hall for the the um changes to to the water through the water advisory

[1:53:14] committee and the increased fees that we're going to make. But you can make an

[1:53:17] argument that well that applies a lot more to Shavano Park citizens than this

[1:53:22] plot of land on the north side of Shavano Park. U but but I'm concerned

[1:53:27] that a lot of our citizens didn't know about it perhaps. Um because maybe they

[1:53:31] would have had a lot more to say and give us more feedback. in in a quick ask

[1:53:36] around the neighborhood that I that I've done. Hey, have you heard about this and

[1:53:39] you know kind just what do you think? Um I I've had a lot of people who were

[1:53:44] concerned with uh putting oil change facility with the Chipotle and and the

[1:53:49] fact they didn't think it matched the Chevart vision and they didn't think it

[1:53:52] made made sense and they had environmental concerns and other

[1:53:56] although there was also some people who said on my south side of classified it's

[1:54:01] way away from me it's up there 604 it doesn't matter to me so so there was

[1:54:05] some diversity in opinion but for the most part people were concerned about

[1:54:08] this motion I applied I applaud plan zoning for bringing this forward because

[1:54:13] I think it's worthwhile for us to consider. There's multiple things that

[1:54:16] we as a council need to consider such as revenue for the city such as developing

[1:54:20] the land that we have, but I don't think the current proposal has set up to grant

[1:54:26] this exception meets that vision for for our city of Chevno Park. So, thank you

[1:54:32] for entertaining my comments. >> Okay, buddy.

[1:54:35] » Thank you, mayor. Um, I apologize I wasn't available to hear the citizens

[1:54:39] and what they had to say about this project. But I will say this as being

[1:54:43] part of planning and zoning along with Bob, we spent a lot of time in plan and

[1:54:48] zoning and automotive has always been a hot spot. Always. Everybody has always

[1:54:53] raised questions whether automotive facilities of any type would be okay to

[1:54:59] build in Shamano Park. Whereas um as

[1:55:06] being on city council, we don't want to impede on the ownership rights of the

[1:55:11] people who have bought this property years ago, but at the same time, we want

[1:55:16] to make sure that they do have a vision and they do keep up with the need of

[1:55:20] Shelvin Park residents. And I think the community will decide as a whole if they

[1:55:24] don't like what they're doing, they'll stop going there. And so we as a city

[1:55:28] council, I think the economic risk is on the ownership on whether or not they

[1:55:33] comply with the wants and needs of our city. If they don't, people aren't going

[1:55:37] to go, but yet they have the right to build on their property. I think

[1:55:42] planning and zoning has done a great job of bringing things forward and putting

[1:55:48] restrictions in the spirit which we wrote the ordinances several years ago.

[1:55:54] and they they've been written several times over and over again. We have

[1:55:58] refined them. We have put them in line with a town plan. And I think that we we

[1:56:03] ought we owe it to the citizens or the um people who own the property and give

[1:56:08] them a chance to do what they want as long as they're within the spirit of the

[1:56:13] ordinances that were written the way we put them together. And I like I said, I

[1:56:18] commend planning and zoning of what they've done. I think they have brought

[1:56:22] that true spirit out and that we off we need to off the uh the ownership a

[1:56:28] chance to put implement the concept they want and they're abiding by the TCQ

[1:56:34] uh parameters to where you know we're not u putting a risk on the town homes

[1:56:41] or the city or the Edward. So I commend them.

[1:56:45] » Okay. Lee.

[1:56:48] » Thank you Mr. Mayor. I'd like to offer up a couple of random thoughts in no

[1:56:52] particular order. At the intersection of IH10 and UTSA

[1:56:57] Boulevard on the norththeast corner is a Hyundai dealership. Cross over to the

[1:57:02] other side of 10 and go south. Five car dealerships. Total of six within

[1:57:08] eyesight of each other. I I don't think the argument that we've got too many of

[1:57:13] something. Well, guess what? We've got a Starbucks up here and somebody let them

[1:57:18] build another coffee shop right across the street. You can literally throw a

[1:57:22] rock and hit each one of them from the other side. So I don't think like kind

[1:57:28] businesses being close to each other is a viable argument. DCQ is a much

[1:57:33] stricter regulatory agency than we can ever be. If they say it's going to be

[1:57:38] safe, it's going to be safe. Oh my goodness. We've got a big gas station up

[1:57:43] here that services what, 1100 cars a day. I wonder what's in the ground

[1:57:46] underneath those pumps and who who regulates that. So, I think the argument

[1:57:51] against that is isn't does it holds water? Uh,

[1:57:57] we've been told from the get-go that this piece of land owned by a credit

[1:58:00] union is so incredibly expensive, nobody even ms the grass. It's a jungle over

[1:58:05] there and nobody wants it. Well, why don't they want it? Well, it's too

[1:58:10] expensive. Somebody comes in here, a gift horse, and tells, you know, if you

[1:58:15] work with me, we'll split it up. We'll put you in a nice little Chipotle

[1:58:18] restaurant. I like Chipotle. It's not tier one, but it's okay. Gu some sort of

[1:58:24] an oil change flank next door to it. My wife owns a security company. We have a

[1:58:27] small fleet. Guess who takes the cars in to get the oil change when they need it?

[1:58:32] And it's quick. It's easy. And the people there are friendly, working hard.

[1:58:36] We make money off the oil and filters, not off the labor. And they do a pretty

[1:58:41] good clip down there where we're taking it's, by the way, it's a five-minute l

[1:58:44] place. I think that if you want to keep Shao

[1:58:49] Park like it was, I will tell you a story about 1976. A

[1:58:55] fresh new county police officer, me, was dispatched over to what is now the fire

[1:59:01] department with city hall because of an impending riot. because city council was

[1:59:07] meeting in what is now the kitchen and they needed police protection because

[1:59:11] there was a hot ticket item. The hot ticket item was a retired one-star

[1:59:14] general from World War I who was complaining about the fact,

[1:59:19] believe it or not, somebody put a red light at Deavala at Military Highway.

[1:59:24] It's no longer a three-way stop. Fry God.

[1:59:28] No riot ensued, but they put the stop they put the red light up anyway. So,

[1:59:34] we're going to have to roll with the punches. Um, I note that when COVID hit,

[1:59:40] Bill Miller quit the development of that pad next to to Waterburger.

[1:59:45] Maybe the old adage, if you build one gas station in the middle of nowhere,

[1:59:49] you're going to do some business. You build a competing gas station on the

[1:59:51] opposite corner, they're both going to get rich. I would like to see another

[1:59:55] restaurant. The fact that we have to take on a um

[1:59:58] oil change place doesn't strike me because I'm a guy and I built cars to go

[2:00:03] through high school and college and the smell of oil doesn't offend me. So, I

[2:00:08] think that we've got a gift horse and I'd like to see us climb on the back and

[2:00:13] ride. Thank you. >> Thank you, Lynn. Conrad,

[2:00:18] » um I think when I first heard about this, it didn't didn't appeal, you know,

[2:00:23] an oil change place. I think that's because

[2:00:27] you think about a mechanic shop and you think about maybe tires in the side. You

[2:00:32] think about um oil everywhere. You have this this vision of a mechanic shop, but

[2:00:39] that's not what this is. This is a oil change place. Like we change our oil

[2:00:44] down here at Valvaline. You jump in there and you're done in 15 minutes.

[2:00:48] Really quick, not that noisy. There's no music playing. That's one of the things

[2:00:52] you think about a mechanic shop, right? Like back in the day, you hear this loud

[2:00:56] music and ratchets going all that and that's not there. So that that goes

[2:01:01] away. Um but it's still you you think it's an oil place. This is like y'all

[2:01:07] say this is what we need, right? Well, there's too many of them. And then you

[2:01:12] think about like great presentation. There's lots of them. Well, there's

[2:01:17] there's a reason why because customers are wanting them highly convenient, much

[2:01:22] like a gas station and to Lee's what Lee was saying is about this very

[2:01:28] busy gas station, right? Right across military. So, I I start to lose that

[2:01:35] sort of negative um vision of what this is. It's just

[2:01:40] it's just an oil change place. has three or four I guess garage doors on the

[2:01:46] front and they're in and out and they're closed at night and there's some

[2:01:49] shrubbery around there and it's going to I'm sure be nice. Um so then you think

[2:01:55] well what um what else is there? We some citizens are against it and I completely

[2:02:02] understand that as I stated from the start. But then we go to the developer

[2:02:05] and the developer says, you know, I don't think that this is not going to

[2:02:09] harm my business and he's putting in town homes that are very valuable. He

[2:02:14] has skin in that game that is just across the street basically. And he

[2:02:19] says, "This isn't going to this isn't going to hurt my what I'm doing here,

[2:02:23] this project." And it's millions of dollars. Um,

[2:02:29] it's private property somewhat of what Buddy was talking about. This isn't city

[2:02:34] property. This isn't our property, the cities. It's somebody else's that has

[2:02:40] not utilized it for what they said they would for years now. And this land is

[2:02:46] sat there sort of call it dormant for a very long period of time. And now we

[2:02:52] have a developer that says, you know what, I can fit financially in there

[2:02:56] with a Chipotle and then something that's a little less desirable.

[2:03:01] And I think if it was just a Chipotle, there would be no discussion. This would

[2:03:04] be 100% no problem. So

[2:03:11] it looks like to me that this is not as bad as it looked from the start. And I

[2:03:17] and again my first notion was like I don't know if that's going to work.

[2:03:21] There's also a discussion going around that I think none of us have talked

[2:03:25] about yet that oh we're acting too quick. Um I don't see that as a case. We

[2:03:30] I think we've been waiting for solution to come along and I think the solution

[2:03:36] is before us. And so I don't uh the the sales tax numbers and

[2:03:43] all that. I I just put that in the back of my I didn't wasn't even looking at

[2:03:48] that. So then if I start to look at that and I say as a group up here and for me

[2:03:53] while technically we don't really necessarily have a fiduciary duty to

[2:03:56] this city there is there it is right there at it and so we do have that

[2:04:02] responsibility up here um to look at the numbers and say is this additive to to

[2:04:09] us financially as well and it meets that I don't think anybody's going to

[2:04:13] disagree that it would meet that it's just what what is it and then I go back.

[2:04:18] Go back to the three bays and the doors that are shut at night and the

[2:04:25] u plants and whatever else that it's going to look nice for what it is for a

[2:04:30] box. It's a box with cars that drive in and then drive out.

[2:04:35] And for me, that's that sums it up. And I I don't think we're giving up I don't

[2:04:41] think we're giving up a lot here. I think we're getting value. I think we're

[2:04:44] getting service. And I'll go back to there's a lot of them because customers

[2:04:50] are demanding that and that's that's got to be why that's there. So I go back to

[2:04:54] Lee a little bit and what what this is. So I I that's my sum total of what I how

[2:05:00] I see this um and how and how it works for us in our community. It's a private

[2:05:06] property and do we let the developer do this land that's been sitting there for

[2:05:12] a very long period of time and it has a good useful

[2:05:17] part here. Okay. Uh any other comments? Okay. Uh if there are no further

[2:05:25] comments, discussion, uh we have a motion to approve ordinance 0 2026002

[2:05:32] amending chapter 36 zoning to allow automatic quick loop service facility CC

[2:05:38] as a special use permit in B1 B2 business. This is a second reading. All

[2:05:45] in favor say I. >> I.

[2:05:49] » And all oppose. >> Nay. The motion carries 32.

[2:05:56] Item 8.3 discussion action ordinance 0.206003

[2:06:01] 2026003 granting an automatic quick lube service

[2:06:06] facility CC special use permit in a B1 commercially zoned lot designated lot

[2:06:13] 1314 of block 44 in county block 4782E of the Pillill East commercial

[2:06:21] subdivision. This is the second reading. Um

[2:06:27] Bill Curtis, do you have anything that you'd like to add?

[2:06:44] Um, as for the actual ordinance, um, I don't have anything to particularly add.

[2:06:47] Uh, I covered it. The amendment we added working with our attorney to strengthen

[2:06:51] the the controls on this land after city council approves this. The developer is

[2:06:55] not going to try to pull a fast one on you. they have to come back and um and I

[2:06:59] just covered that. I'm happy to cover that again, but I have nothing further

[2:07:03] to add to the actual ordinance. >> Okay. Uh Pete, uh I kind of cut you

[2:07:08] short uh to get through 8.2 and I'm going to come back to you for 8.3

[2:07:13] because I recognized you and let you make your motion.

[2:07:17] » All right. So the motion I'll reread it is motion to approve ordinance 02026-23

[2:07:25] » 03 sorry 03 03 >> amending chapter 36 zoning

[2:07:31] » no no >> no

[2:07:33] » granting you you need to go with what's written and then add what you want to

[2:07:37] add at the end. >> Where's the where's where's it?

[2:07:41] Hang on. Okay. Motion to approve ordinance O 2026-

[2:07:47] 02 >> 03

[2:07:49] » 03 What is this on the >> You're on the wrong line.

[2:07:53] Go down to 8.3. >> Got it. Got it. Okay.

[2:07:55] » All right. So, this is the ordinance granting quick lube special uh use

[2:08:00] permit. >> Yes.

[2:08:02] » All right. Motion to approve ordinance 02026-3

[2:08:07] granting the automotive quick lube uh service facility special use of permit

[2:08:11] B1 commercial zoning lot designated lot 202314

[2:08:17] of block 44 in the county block 4782E in the a Pondill East commercial

[2:08:25] subdivision [clears throat]

[2:08:28] under the following conditions. Approval of any special use permit for automotive

[2:08:34] quickl service facility shall be contingent upon the development the

[2:08:38] developer fully satisfying all commitments presented to city council

[2:08:42] regarding the establishment of a Chipoti restaurant. In short, once the Chipoti

[2:08:47] restaurant is operational, the special use permit will be approved.

[2:08:52] And the second uh condition is the automotive quickloop service facility

[2:08:56] shall be oriented next to the Starbucks coffee uh company building in the

[2:09:02] westerly part of the lot to minimize visual impact to neighboring

[2:09:06] communities. >> Okay. So the ordinance is provided um

[2:09:15] and the condition for the city council use permit is to uh is only granted on

[2:09:23] the completion of the Chipotle and that the quick loop would be placed

[2:09:29] uh on the most westward portion of the lot next to the Starbucks. Okay. Want to

[2:09:36] make sure that I understood that. Okay. So, we have a motion from Pete. Do we

[2:09:40] have a second? >> A second.

[2:09:42] » We have a second from Christian. We have a motion and a second, which

[2:09:47] means we're now open for discussion on the on the ordinance as proposed. Lee.

[2:09:53] » Yes, sir. It's a parliamentary question that I'll direct to you, sir. Um that is

[2:10:00] that effectively doubles the number of words in what we read as first reading

[2:10:06] and it puts in some strong caveats that in my mind undermines the intent,

[2:10:13] purpose and spirit of the original reading from the first.

[2:10:17] » Doesn't matter. >> It you're sure it doesn't matter. That's

[2:10:19] why I go to you. We uh

[2:10:24] think about uh budget ordinances or budget uh actions in Congress. The

[2:10:30] budget action has all kinds of things and then all of a sudden you look at it

[2:10:34] months later after it comes out of the House and Senate and doesn't look at all

[2:10:38] like what you thought it was going to look like. All they have to have is a

[2:10:41] basket to carry the ordinance in. And the first reading was a basket that said

[2:10:46] we're talking about quick loops. We if we were now talking about daycare

[2:10:51] centers then that would be exactly the right

[2:10:55] thing but we're not we are still talking exclusively about quick loops or quick

[2:11:01] loop facilities. >> Just try trying to stay out of the

[2:11:03] minefield for >> Yeah. No. No. It's a great question.

[2:11:05] Great question. >> Mr. Mayor, can I have a point of

[2:11:07] clarification? >> Yes.

[2:11:09] » And this is directed towards the bill and Curtis on the reading on uh Pete's

[2:11:15] motion. Is it is it in accordance with what you sent us as far as what the

[2:11:20] attorney drafted up and what bitter bitter blues approved?

[2:11:24] » Yeah. So, um, and you'll probably want to talk to Mark about it as well, too.

[2:11:29] What we did is we tried to meet the same intent that you did in your motion. Um,

[2:11:36] but what I think uh your motion does is may have you may have intended it, but I

[2:11:40] think it may have unintended consequences. So, let me just read back.

[2:11:43] Maybe Curtis, you can go to the to to to the uh the exact language. What we added

[2:11:49] in there with the attorney's advice, and it was coordinated with Mark, was that

[2:11:54] the permit would only be approved as depicted in exhibit A. Exhibit A is very

[2:12:00] specific right here, right there. And u and requires a restaurant use. We

[2:12:08] purposely didn't say Chipotle because he's he's got a letter of intent. He's

[2:12:13] working on a lease. You can explain all that, but you know, if it was a

[2:12:20] um um a chicken place or something like that.

[2:12:25] I don't know that we would care whether it's a Chipotle or whether it's um

[2:12:30] what's the what did you have for lunch? Chick-fil-A. A Chick-fil-A. I don't

[2:12:35] think we care. We want a restaurant there. So it says again requires a

[2:12:39] restaurant use within the development as depicted by is exhibit A. Any change to

[2:12:43] the proposed land use is as depicted in a exhibit A require city council

[2:12:49] approval. So the permit is the ordinance is written uh to achieve the same thing.

[2:12:55] The the issue that you'll have to talk to Mark about is and I talked to him

[2:12:59] about this is the development of these things are concurrent.

[2:13:03] You're asking them essentially, hey, go out there, secure Chipotle, get a

[2:13:08] permit, build it. Once it's built, then work through this,

[2:13:14] you know, and and again, he's already briefed you and me because I've had a

[2:13:18] number of conversations with him is that he needs a package deal and timing is

[2:13:23] everything. And so, I'll just be quiet because I want you to make sure that we

[2:13:27] think we've already got a restaurant built into the ordinance that requires

[2:13:31] him to do that. We talked about the timing of the permits because we do this

[2:13:35] all the time. Someone takes a a twocar garage that's attached to their house

[2:13:39] and they want to build a um they want to they want to close it in

[2:13:46] and we've had >> that's my whole point. and I want to

[2:13:48] make sure we have a meeting of minds and we can move forward without delineating

[2:13:52] things in and >> right. So in the permitting process we

[2:13:56] say hey well you guys remember we you required a two-car garage

[2:14:02] in Elm Springs we're dealing with one right now. I was like well I didn't know

[2:14:06] that. Okay go back to the drawing board get your thing we'll hold your permit

[2:14:10] we've got you this you submit your plans we do this and then we we approve

[2:14:14] basically both of them at the same time and that's that's how we did that. we

[2:14:17] have uh controls. We talked to Mark about that because as he develops this

[2:14:21] thing, >> it's concurrent. And so I'll shut up

[2:14:24] because I just want to make sure I think we've got it covered.

[2:14:28] » But >> and and and that that's a great

[2:14:30] explanation, Bill. And so the the question is, okay, Pete, um what Bill is

[2:14:36] telling us, I think, is he's going to bring us

[2:14:42] a building plan at the same time. And if he doesn't prevent present both building

[2:14:48] plans at the same time, then he's not going to get either one of the building

[2:14:53] plans. >> So what you're asking for, mayor, is a

[2:14:57] is an amendment. So, if somebody wants to make an amendment to mine.

[2:15:01] » Uh, >> no, no. I'm I'm I'm just uh

[2:15:05] » u No, I I understand. Go ahead. >> Is there an instrument that we could put

[2:15:10] in place that says the builder will do this congruent with each other and both

[2:15:17] will be erected and in business at some point in in a date that

[2:15:22] » Well, then now now you're now you brought up a new thing that uh you have

[2:15:26] he has to submit the building plans within a certain date. Bill has told you

[2:15:30] that based on what the attorney had proposed that Bill is not going to issue

[2:15:36] a building permit that doesn't do these things simultaneously.

[2:15:40] Pete is saying he'd like to have A and then B. Bill is saying no. I think we

[2:15:46] can get there simultaneously. Right now the motion is A and then B.

[2:15:53] We can either vote on it or somebody can make an amendment to that motion

[2:15:58] and then you can start all over. >> May make a comment. Um I think that um

[2:16:07] Pete's concern um is making sure that we have and and

[2:16:13] the developer told us say it's a package deal. That's how the numbers work,

[2:16:16] right? So just let's make sure that the restaurant is in there then we'll move

[2:16:20] forward with the oil with the oil change the quick loop facility right and the

[2:16:25] orientation is more perhaps presentable the needs of the city I and so I think

[2:16:31] that aler is asking for compromise just as you've asked us to compromise for a

[2:16:36] wave you being the developers has asked us to compromise on ordinance 0 2026002

[2:16:43] got that right I think so We I I think that Pete is just asking for a

[2:16:48] compromise for the orientation of how it happens to make sure that the vision,

[2:16:56] the needs of the community, whatever is still met accordingly.

[2:16:59] » Okay. So, so now now let's go back and clarify one more thing.

[2:17:04] » What one more thing on that? Um once you break ground, you've broken ground and

[2:17:10] it's really you're you're not coming back. Okay. I'm

[2:17:15] sorry. I got away from my mic. >> Once you break ground, you've broken

[2:17:19] ground. >> Okay.

[2:17:20] » Are you saying completion or you saying breaking ground on the restaurant?

[2:17:26] » I I that Yeah, I'm I'm asking you what you wanted, Pete, because Yeah. Well, I

[2:17:32] want to I >> It is completion. Okay. Okay. Conrad,

[2:17:38] » could we [snorts] ask a developer? >> Yeah. Can I really like to speak? I'm

[2:17:42] kind of dying here. >> You've been so patient.

[2:17:44] » Okay. I would not I don't have a problem at all in saying that I have to get the

[2:17:48] building permit for the Chipoti before I get the valvalane. I am further along

[2:17:53] with that. But to say it has to be open for business just doesn't work. It just

[2:17:57] takes too long. Takes too long to build the building then I have to put

[2:18:00] valvalene off and it just is it just doesn't work for us. As far as flipping

[2:18:06] the sites, we've looked at this several times and the grades for the way this

[2:18:10] building is situated. the grades just don't work. I That's a long building and

[2:18:16] it just doesn't work on the other site. And that's our problem. The other real

[2:18:22] problem is I have real estate committees that literally are approving things. I

[2:18:27] mean, the levels of of approvals for these companies, you just can't imagine

[2:18:31] how long it takes and how difficult it is. If I start over with them right now

[2:18:35] and say, "Oh, you know, Chipulti, can you please go on the other side?" I'm

[2:18:39] starting from ground zero. I know it seems crazy, but you're starting from

[2:18:44] ground zero. I don't I I I don't know if I can even go back to it. We're just way

[2:18:49] beyond that. But I would be willing to say I will get the um the Chipoti. You

[2:18:57] don't have to approve the the Valvvelene special use permit until I have the

[2:19:02] building permit or even like start construction because once I get the

[2:19:05] permit, I'm going to start right away. if that would give you more comfort. And

[2:19:11] I I do feel like these are really the only two tenants I'm working with. It's

[2:19:15] really valvalene and chipoti are bust at this point in time. I mean, we just have

[2:19:19] spent way too much time, money, effort, and everything. So, this is this is the

[2:19:25] plan. And but but flipping it is a problem. And um the fact that you would

[2:19:31] want it open, that's a big problem. So, I'm just that's my two cents worth. And

[2:19:36] I'm just trying to understand if here's the site plan. So you got

[2:19:42] Waterburgger here. We're going to have a Bill Miller there

[2:19:46] whenever they decide to build it. >> Okay. Can you just tell him what they

[2:19:49] told you when you told them about the development?

[2:19:52] » Well, I went to Aggie Park and I think I've told him once before, but I went to

[2:19:55] Aggie Park and the CEO of Bill Millers is an Aggie and I'm like, "When are you

[2:19:59] going to build me my Bill Bill Millers?" He's like, "Well, 16004 hit, COVID hit.

[2:20:05] We went to some redesigns, but because I thought it was going to be this year,

[2:20:09] but he's like,"Well, not not this year, but soon." And then I said, "Well, it's

[2:20:14] kind of funny. We got some town homes going in there. We we we potentially may

[2:20:18] have a hotel. We're going to have some other retail that's in there. We got the

[2:20:22] dentist office here. And we have a Chipotle quick lube that we're work

[2:20:27] quick lube of some sort in there." And I'm not exaggerating when he said

[2:20:32] quickloop. Oh, well then that's they have a term for it where it's it's not

[2:20:37] hits, it's not visits, it's exposures. And some term where you drive by and

[2:20:43] then you have an opportunity. Oh, there's a you get in a quick lube. I'm

[2:20:48] going to go to the waterburger. I'm going to go to Bill Miller. And so he

[2:20:50] was he he was optimistic that it might actually drive up sales. And so, but I'm

[2:20:56] just looking at this and whether or not that thing is here, which which is

[2:21:01] covered by a Bill Miller. There's going to be office buildings here. There's a

[2:21:05] dentist office here. There's another dentist office that's being developed

[2:21:08] right here. Um, you're not This is Pond Hill. It goes up like this. And the town

[2:21:14] homes are over here. Whether it's on this side or that side, I'm just saying

[2:21:20] I don't see the advantages. And I've talked to to Mark about this and I've

[2:21:24] said, "Hey, several people have told me that they would like to see it on this

[2:21:28] side and he's like, "It doesn't work because of the engineering." But if I'm

[2:21:32] just being completely objective, not arguing with anyone, is there really an

[2:21:37] advantage to being on the west or the east side?

[2:21:41] And there's a little feeder road. Yeah.

[2:21:46] Right here you can access into here. how much traffic is really residential

[2:21:52] traffic is going to be coming from here to there that's really going to care

[2:21:55] whether there's I just don't see it. I'm just not trying to argue just pointing

[2:22:00] that out. Okay, Conraan, >> correct me if I'm wrong, but I think

[2:22:06] Pete's getting to the visual effect of this place and and what what it looks

[2:22:11] like. If you I spent some time over there and

[2:22:15] trying to walk walk it and look and it I'm guessing that because it would be

[2:22:22] behind Starbucks and it to your what you're talking about the grade and it

[2:22:28] would be less visible. Um is is that yeah so that's the idea. So maybe we go

[2:22:36] with that idea and just understand that maybe there's really nice landscaping

[2:22:40] like I was talking about earlier or something like that the commitment on on

[2:22:43] your part um to make that happen. >> Okay.

[2:22:48] » Yes. Definitely open to that. >> Yeah. Okay. Um I think we've talked

[2:22:53] around the issue on pizza motion. Uh you have two choices.

[2:22:59] Um, you can approve Pete's motion, you can amend Pete's motion. Three options.

[2:23:05] You can or you can vote down Pete's motion and start over.

[2:23:12] So, we have a motion and a second. Is anybody offering anything different?

[2:23:18] Because Pete said, "Well, if you want to amend it, amend it."

[2:23:26] Conrad >> or Buddy.

[2:23:30] » Go ahead, buddy. >> I mean, I'll give Pete the option. If if

[2:23:32] you don't want to take the option, I'll amend it.

[2:23:34] » Okay. Well, then we'll consider the amendment.

[2:23:37] » Your paper down. [laughter]

[2:23:47] » No. >> Yeah, I will. I'll use your notes.

[2:23:51] Motion to approve ordinance 0 20263. um

[2:23:58] chapter 36 uh automotive quickl facility as special use permit uh B1B2/B2

[2:24:06] business uh districts under the following conditions and the restaurant

[2:24:11] prerequisite uh approval of any special use permit for an automotive quick loop

[2:24:17] service facility shall be contingent upon the developer fully satisfying all

[2:24:21] commitments presented to the city council regarding the establishment of

[2:24:25] of a restaurant. Period. And fast loop orientation. The auto automotive quick

[2:24:32] loop service facility shall be oriented next to the Starbucks coffee.

[2:24:38] Scratch that and just leave it at that with their full commitment.

[2:24:46] » Okay. >> Okay. Mr. Mayor,

[2:24:50] » can I get a clarification on that? that >> I'll give you a clarification, but first

[2:24:54] I want to listen to >> the language.

[2:24:57] » That's the wrong >> ordinance,

[2:24:59] » sir. >> Yes.

[2:25:01] » My name's Powers. How are you, sir? >> Thank you for being here. Um, I

[2:25:05] understand topography and the requirements of building places where

[2:25:08] they can take advantage of topography, access to sewage and water, etc., etc.

[2:25:14] Done some building myself. I want to make sure that we get a clean

[2:25:18] read on this. And before I vote on it, I want you to tell me if it's a deal kill

[2:25:25] spit. Deal killer, as I heard you say a little while ago in nicer terms before

[2:25:30] uh I vote on it. So if Mr. Mayor, if you could read the ordinance that we're

[2:25:36] going to be voting on, a clean version so he can listen to it, make sure that

[2:25:40] we're on the same. >> We got to make sure we get 03, not 02.

[2:25:43] » 03 002 again. >> We got a sec. We need a second.

[2:25:58] » [laughter]

[2:26:09] » Okay, buddy. What I think you've said [laughter]

[2:26:15] is motion motion to approve ordinance 0202603

[2:26:22] to allow

[2:26:25] an automatic quickloop service facility CC under chapter 36 as a special use

[2:26:32] permit in B1 B2 business under the following conditions.

[2:26:43] Well, under the following conditions, approval

[2:26:46] of the special use permit for an automatic quick loop service facility

[2:26:51] shall be contingent upon the developer fully satisfying all commitments

[2:26:55] presented to the city council regarding the establishment of a restaurant.

[2:27:01] » Yes. >> So, I'm looking for something that

[2:27:03] includes county block 4782E.

[2:27:09] Okay.

[2:27:13] No, no. I'm just taking what was handed to me there. Okay.

[2:27:31] Okay. So, now I'll read what I think Bill is suggesting in addition to the

[2:27:36] other

[2:27:41] Motion to approve ordinance 02026003 granting an automatic quick loop

[2:27:46] facility CC special use permit to a B1 commercially zoned lot designated lot

[2:27:52] 2314 of block 44 of County block 4782E

[2:27:58] in the Pondill East commercial subdivision

[2:28:02] uh under the following conditions. Approval of any special use permit for

[2:28:07] an automatic quicklude facility shall be contingent upon the developer fully

[2:28:12] satisfying all commitments presented to the city council regarding the

[2:28:16] establishment of a restaurant. >> So moved.

[2:28:20] » No, I'm asking you. I'm I'm just telling you what I think you said.

[2:28:29] » Yes, I'm I'm comfortable with that. >> Yes. Well, we didn't we didn't exactly

[2:28:34] get a presentation from the developer, right? Like a the commitment we talked

[2:28:40] about is >> No, Bill has the Bill has the drawing.

[2:28:45] We have the drawing that we have >> the drawing and that. So, we're going to

[2:28:48] base off that >> that is the what we're basing this on.

[2:28:52] Bill, correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. I have a motion to amend.

[2:28:59] Um, and I'll ask Pete whether you consider

[2:29:03] this to be a replacement motion or a motion to amend.

[2:29:08] » It's a replacement. >> Okay. So, um, it just means it takes two

[2:29:13] votes. Okay. Do I have a second on the uh on the uh replacement motion, which

[2:29:21] is a motion to amend? Do I have a second? Okay. So, now I have Buddy and

[2:29:26] Lee.

[2:29:36] Okay. On the second motion,

[2:29:42] um, do we have any further discussion on the second motion?

[2:29:48] Okay. There being no discussion, all in favor say I.

[2:29:51] » I. >> I.

[2:29:53] » All oppose, same sign. >> Nay.

[2:29:55] » Okay. That motion carries 41. Okay. Now that motion has become the primary

[2:30:01] motion. We have to vote again on exactly the same thing. Okay. Just

[2:30:08] Okay. So, as the primary motion, we have a motion to approve ordinance 02026003

[2:30:17] granting an automatic quick lube service facility CC special use permit to a B1

[2:30:23] commercial zoned lot designated lot 2314 of block 44 of County block 4782

[2:30:31] east of E of the Pondill East commercial subdivision under the

[2:30:38] following conditions. Approval of the special use permit for an automotive

[2:30:42] quickloop service facility shall be contingent upon the developer fully

[2:30:46] satisfying all commitments presented to the city council regarding the

[2:30:51] establishment of a restaurant. Okay,

[2:30:56] that is our primary motion made by Buddy, seconded by Lee. All in favor say

[2:31:02] I. >> I.

[2:31:03] » I. >> All oppose, same sign.

[2:31:06] » Nay. >> Nay. The primary motion as amended

[2:31:11] passes 32. >> Okay, Mark. Thank you.

[2:31:15] » Thank you very much. >> Brings us to item number nine. Do we

[2:31:19] have a motion to adjurnn? >> Thank you. Y

[2:31:21] » motion journ. >> We have a motion from Pete, I mean from

[2:31:25] Conrad. We have a second from Lee. >> All in favor say I.

[2:31:30] » I. I. >> All oppose. Same sign.

July 27, 2026 City Council Meeting

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