[0:00] Local government meeting, please.

[0:04] Uh, g...

[0:06] Yeah, that's bilingual recognition. I'll talk a little bit about that. We're already on the road for that, so...

[0:14] Yeah, the recording has started.

[0:17] 632.

[0:18] 632.

[0:24] Okay, Anita, motion to approve the agenda.

[0:27] All in

[0:31] favor.

[0:33] All in favor.

[0:39] Any declaration of conflict of interest?

[0:41] motion

[0:48] to approve the minutes of the last meeting of October the 7th

[1:03] Questions from the public,

[1:07] pardon me

[1:10] Oh sorry, yeah

[1:13] So Lorna made the motion all in favor?

[1:21] Thanks Dix

[1:22] Any

[1:29] questions from the public?

[1:34] I would like to know whether Lorna answers to all those questions there

[1:40] I'd like to know when we're going to have the answers for that.

[1:52] We're still waiting for some answers too?

[1:54] Are you?

[1:55] Yeah, we're not quite done with the...

[1:57] Okay, because...

[2:00] Because they're saying you can style that.

[2:04] Is it already done that part, or it's going to be?

[2:08] Or like, what's that to there?

[2:10] It's bugging me.

[2:11] People I spoke to at the MNRF said that their surveyors are quite busy

[2:15] And it'd be the end of 25 for the beginning of 26 before they get around to looking at the file

[2:27] Yeah, to my understanding on now because what I like there it's the negotiate

[2:34] Because when you negotiate this party with some and they lose some you know, so it's good for two parties, right?

[2:42] So that's why I'm negotiating

[2:45] Yeah.

[2:50] Yeah, if you can come across anything in your research, bring it to our attention, please.

[2:54] We'd like to put it to rest, really.

[2:56] Yeah. I think negotiating is the best.

[3:01] We show that to the kids at school how to negotiate their rules and what to do with them.

[3:06] So, at least, you know, we're not losing all the time.

[3:08] Yeah. And I think it's important. I believe because I love, I love this moment.

[3:18] And maybe, you know, when you read more and you see more in your archives and stuff like that,

[3:24] more you know about the place, more you love it.

[3:28] And I think it's very necessary to have six peoples of the council because these guys

[3:35] need people to know that you exist there when you go to the MRC and then you go elsewhere

[3:42] because you represent the people around, you know, so it's important that those things

[3:50] things are important for me, I think, because we represent the positions of this task, you know?

[3:58] When we have it good, if we don't know, but when everybody's wrong, then, ah, I should have

[4:05] did something, you know? But that's why I think it's important to ask these people.

[4:09] Because money, what is money, I know, it's only a number.

[4:15] No, but it's true. It's a tool. Yes, it's a tool. But, you know, other places, they have their seats in the Montreal and everywhere, they, you know, they're in their scene, so that's very important for these guys to be six all the time.

[4:38] Okay, well, that's all I've come to say, but I'm still doing research on this there.

[4:42] Great.

[4:44] Thanks, Miss Rainbow.

[4:45] Yeah.

[4:45] Simon?

[4:47] Yeah.

[4:47] Can I get an agenda?

[4:50] Yeah, I can print one for you, sorry.

[5:11] Okay, sign them, sign them, cover them up by the mylaw.

[5:16] No worries, no worries.

[5:30] I do a lot of research on that, and I've seen, actually, when we started researching a lot of it, it's pretty amazing that what we've had in the past, and what we still have, actually, now.

[5:46] 1931, I don't know, they proposed the road that went up a roadway, they were like all the way to Miscomand and up to Bill Murray, that was going to be the main highway, much not the 1931, but that would be the Model 8, in Paris.

[6:00] There's a map and that's the actual legend for it says here.

[6:04] it says it's a proposed road and I have another map that shows there's two main roads in the

[6:14] chain there was only one road to the fort and one going to Doyle Post Office those are your

[6:21] two main roads and it's too bad to not have any control of that road because it is only

[6:28] We need you guys to represent, and actually, they can do that.

[6:35] We're sitting that motion.

[6:37] Because if that hill goes down, the road's shut.

[6:42] And we really need your support.

[6:51] I've had a tragedy here.

[6:53] My wrong goal.

[6:55] And Billy wrote that.

[6:57] You've probably seen that, you guys.

[6:59] Did you all see that?

[7:00] Did you ever see that?

[7:01] No.

[7:09] I was just going to read one little thing here.

[7:14] I was amazed at how much it was here in

[7:20] a second.

[7:24] You had it under digital.

[7:27] One of the amazing things was at one time there were between 25 to 50 families living up there.

[7:32] And some of the houses were taken apart, and they're actually existing here in the scene.

[7:45] The Morrison's.

[7:46] The heritage is there.

[7:51] They let that go.

[7:52] I just can't understand what you guys are doing.

[7:59] I'm asking you to resend your motion.

[8:03] What are the respect, brains,

[8:06] that's right here?

[8:08] Did you get a copy of that? Read it.

[8:10] I've seen that.

[8:15] Whatever trouble you guys put when we sit in here,

[8:18] a lot of it is,

[8:20] there's shades in there,

[8:21] I remember when you go back and look at this,

[8:25] it gets incredible.

[8:26] Our history is there.

[8:29] Any individuals like we have in us that will come up there.

[8:35] There's a lot of stuff in here.

[8:38] You've never seen in the shame?

[8:39] Yep.

[8:40] You did?

[8:40] I've never seen it.

[8:42] I'll do a copy.

[8:43] I asked him before I could use any of it,

[8:45] because I wanted to make sure I wanted to buy

[8:47] his hired copy for him, because he worked there for that.

[8:49] He's a book though, actually.

[8:50] We might have him in the archives.

[8:52] I had a little more information.

[8:56] What was the name of the book?

[8:58] It's the Trope Lake Settlement, dedicated in 1997, recognition of the binders of Settlement

[9:04] and Trope Lake area in the middle of the 1800s.

[9:08] It was made up when they had the tour in there.

[9:10] Everybody got one that time.

[9:13] People don't talk about the indigenous, but the indigenous up there.

[9:16] The fur trade, that's where it came down to the Trope Lake Road.

[9:23] That's where the road comes from.

[9:26] There's school teachers.

[9:30] It's amazing what's in there.

[9:34] And you have most offices in Michael Doyle, but there's actually three

[9:38] postmasters in there.

[9:41] School teachers that went

[9:42] to Fort Edge before they got trained and came back to teach in their own

[9:46] municipality.

[9:50] We can't let this go, guys.

[9:54] Nobody's asking us to pave the road, but let's keep it so we have it all that's safe.

[10:00] You just need to sit down and put the differences apart, because there's something that doesn't make sense to let that go.

[10:10] The Black River Road is not all municipal road either, because if you read what's on that paper,

[10:16] or any place that it's government on both sides of that road.

[10:20] The locks, it's owned by the MTQ, or it's owned by the MIRM,

[10:25] that hasn't been transferred, but they maintain the road.

[10:31] That can be developed.

[10:32] That can be developed by Walter.

[10:32] Walter may phase it.

[10:33] And if you look at your map on the far side,

[10:35] it's a cottage zone around the valley.

[10:39] It can still be developed.

[10:42] It's too bad they let all the locks go

[10:44] because all the locks were developed up there

[10:46] floor for the immune spoutly to grow and someone was lost somehow by turning back to the government

[10:52] because I don't understand when they got turned back to the government because they're complete

[10:55] loss it should have went to the municipality for sales first I was concerned but I don't know how

[11:01] he did that way back then so the agreement at that time he went a year to uh for 10 years to

[11:08] clear and make their year to get a deed and seven from the farmers didn't do that so it was

[11:13] was never deeded. It was never taken out of the land before. That's why. Once it's deeded,

[11:19] it never goes back to the land before.

[11:21] The dairy farm and all of that?

[11:22] All of that. There's seven that were never deeded.

[11:26] So if they were never taken out?

[11:28] There'd be more kilometers that would last a long time.

[11:31] One of my farms, the back half of it, was indeeded and it went to the ground.

[11:36] Farms on both sides of me are a mile long or wherever. One eye on this cut in half.

[11:41] Notaries told me that it wasn't the registered and I forget what year they

[11:45] were supposed to do that, but the factory is so bad, it's unreal, it's on my grandmother's

[11:55] brand, that the NPT owned that road and it was given to the municipality and part of that was

[12:01] given to a landlord and I go on the site and it shows the road going right through the guys

[12:06] threshold.

[12:09] I know that we're not supposed to speak so I'm asking

[12:11] if I can speak. So the interesting thing is, is that we do represent the

[12:18] constituents. And when I bring your concern about Truck Lake out to many

[12:24] other people in Sheen Grove, they, I represent them because they're telling me

[12:30] they don't want it because of the expense. The municipality can't afford it.

[12:37] Okay, so please hear me out.

[12:38] I just want to answer that.

[12:40] Yes, please do.

[12:42] And so who's to say that the ministry,

[12:46] if the ministry takes it over,

[12:48] who's to say,

[12:50] like nobody has said anything

[12:52] about shutting a road down.

[12:54] But who's to say that the ministry

[12:56] who has all this money

[12:59] versus the municipality

[13:01] of Shinbro may invest in it,

[13:05] they need that road. So who's to say that they will not invest in that road? Like they keep hearing,

[13:12] they're going to shut it down, they're going to, they're not going to maintain it, they're not, but

[13:16] who said that? What was the sign at the top of the hill when you told the words Kettle Lake that

[13:22] said the road closed? That's an M&RF road. But, but the Ministry of Transportation or the, the,

[13:32] They've never said anything about closing that road.

[13:35] They just don't maintain it, and they're very clear about this.

[13:38] I can show you my email.

[13:40] They do not maintain the road as users say.

[13:44] So shouldn't we all be fighting with them?

[13:47] And we can if we own five kilometers of it you'll have to say.

[13:51] We should be fighting with them.

[13:53] I 100% agree with you.

[13:56] You have the snowmobile club and you have all these people who get grants, the bike club.

[14:00] They're right here asking you to help them out.

[14:02] They got all the government grants and they were looking up for,

[14:05] and they don't come up and brush through.

[14:07] What did you talk to other people?

[14:08] It was very hard to get any of these clubs to do anything.

[14:11] And, like I said, we're not against the snowmobile club, we're not against the bike club.

[14:15] But we'd like to get something out of that if they're getting all the government money, like you're saying.

[14:18] And we're not against you.

[14:23] I think we need to keep the emotional side away and we have to think logically.

[14:33] We can talk about our ancestors and all that. That's emotional side.

[14:38] But I think that we need to think about the logical side. What's the logic?

[14:45] I understand what you're saying, but you're saying that we're a cost factor.

[14:50] Oh, it costs too much to keep our role up there.

[14:53] How much money have you put in the role?

[14:55] No, I didn't say that.

[14:57] No, but that's what people are telling you. You can answer them.

[14:59] Yes.

[15:00] This much money in the road. We collect $25,000 in tax. That's not all of it. We pay $580 each landlord for all the service

[15:09] charges up there, which we don't most of us use to don't. But we're supporting them so their cost is lower, but you want to

[15:18] our money and not give us anything for a role.

[15:22] This is supposed to be a question for you.

[15:24] No, but come on.

[15:26] She asked that.

[15:28] When I run the meetings, this is the way I run meetings.

[15:32] I won't let it be repeated when it comes to that on the agenda.

[15:37] Karen, let her say it.

[15:38] Okay.

[15:40] I brought this.

[15:41] I think it's great on that.

[15:43] We should be able to have...

[15:44] I think Enveria would be nice that we could come back when we hear something that we could actually put a little input when we sit through and we could give us a...

[15:52] Like you said at the beginning of the meeting and you hear stuff that you can't, then you can't open your mouth.

[15:56] And you've got to keep it to the next meeting. I don't think that's right either.

[15:59] Yeah, there's some talk about moving the question period to the end, right?

[16:02] Yeah, you can do two as well.

[16:03] Yeah.

[16:04] Yeah, I'm trying to not keep it personally. You guys haven't dealt with it. I know that she's right.

[16:12] I'm not here for pay as a counselor. I know that. That's for sure. But it's true though.

[16:19] You do know the facts that the numbers that we're putting out on that road and what we're

[16:22] getting back is not the same. I can say if we were putting costings $25,000 and we're

[16:31] giving back ten. It's not that way. So that should be set straight for the few people.

[16:39] I just want to point out something that in our bills that we paid this month, there's

[16:46] an item in there that says truck lake road and it's $11,000 and something.

[16:53] So, I'm just going to show you.

[16:55] I'm not saying that this is the first year though too we have to remit to do this.

[16:58] Well, I wasn't in the first year that it was done.

[17:00] Well, why are we applying for grants for that one?

[17:03] Can I ask that question?

[17:04] because of the classification of the road there's no grants that I've ever seen

[17:07] for a local three-road yet I'm always looking and I wanted to say well goes

[17:13] the administration I'm always sending anything you have I'm always reaching

[17:18] out anytime I have time I'm always continuously looking into this to give

[17:22] counsel more information as much as I can give them I think we missed the

[17:25] train Mansfield is getting paid for 18 long from the F2 I did talk to them

[17:33] about that to figure out like how they and that was an agreement they had eons ago

[17:39] the guy said and he said don't ever think that's gonna happen to she and I

[17:42] tell you right now we won't I'm not history don't have this you said we

[17:46] missed the boat on that yeah I was asking not to be thrown underneath the

[17:49] rug because we because the US probably missed it and nobody's perfect that's

[17:55] for sure why we missed it I don't know why it was missed but I do know when I'm

[17:59] going through the air guys there's so much grant money that went on that

[18:03] before and now we don't get any. I don't understand that. I just can't figure it out. We can't get no

[18:08] grant money for that road. If you find one, send it my way.

[18:12] Mr. Bertrand? Greg Bertrand.

[18:17] Currently the owner, only resident, full-time Montreux Bay Road. I just want to bring up the

[18:23] fact that in 2019, when I bought that property with my wife, we bought it because it was listed

[18:31] as development, residential, recreational, commercial. It was wide open and advertised

[18:41] as a community as a municipal role. With, in several agendas and several budgets, $10,000

[18:53] allocated for every year, all of those things had to play into the decision of myself,

[19:00] my wife and several other people buying properties up there. Our major concern

[19:07] here is the fact that we knew we had 10 grand and now we risk losing it all

[19:13] because of user pay and when you give away that responsibility you give away

[19:19] your ownership of that five kilometers of road you now have to apply for

[19:25] everything you do. You need permission to get done. So where does that leave the

[19:31] people that are up there? I literally just spent $4,000 on a development plan for

[19:39] my property, which could potentially bring in another $50,000 in taxes annually

[19:45] in this municipality. In an area that you said nobody was allowed to live, but

[19:53] yet I was allowed to live.

[19:57] Why is the area being ignored and just shoved aside by the

[20:02] handful of people that seem to be talking behind every line here and deciding factors

[20:09] without the public consultation? This room is full of people all the time fighting for

[20:15] a job like Rome. There's never anybody here fighting for anything else.

[20:22] It means something.

[20:23] It's the last chunk of developable land in this municipality.

[20:30] You can't build on green land like one house on a property.

[20:36] You can't buy it unless you're a Quebec resident.

[20:40] Trout Lake Road is the same.

[20:42] Or Trout Lake, sorry, all the way around it is the same as Lac McDonald.

[20:47] We can be bringing $100,000 in if you do it right.

[20:50] Now that it's been given away and nobody knows what the hell is going on, my main question

[20:57] for this council is, will you ensure there is not a reduction in what you have already promised

[21:06] and been giving your ratepayers on Trebley Road?

[21:09] Will you put a resolution in effect to make sure that $10,000 remains in effect for the

[21:16] future to come, or will you put a resolution in effect and appoint a team of these counselors

[21:23] to go to the MNRF and make sure that they put the $10,000 into it?

[21:32] Because people have

[21:33] invested, not just myself. Mr. Eliard, um, sorry. Clare Ramon. Clare Ramon, the O'Neill's,

[21:43] employees, people have a substantial investment up there. They all actually own land that

[21:51] can be still cut apart and sold to more people that can live there full time. We need to protect

[21:58] that. If you don't, then this is truly a retirement community and people will come here to die

[22:07] Because there's no drugs.

[22:11] Thank you.

[22:13] Thanks, Mr. Bergeron.

[22:21] Anyone else?

[22:23] Anyone else?

[22:25] Question in front of the public?

[22:27] Okay, question period ending at 6.54.

[22:32] 6.54.

[22:35] Item number 6 is the municipal inspectors report.

[22:43] Everybody

[23:09] get a copy of it?

[23:13] Any questions?

[23:20] So much paperwork.

[23:26] Permits carried over in 23. One garage, one house, one septic, one forestry. Permits to date 24.

[23:35] Carried over from 23. Permits to date 24. Two houses, two septic, two garages. Three sheds,

[23:41] two tin roofs, one shoring, four wells, four additions, four renovations. He's currently

[23:49] working on assessment, access and approval of the subdivisions with the MAMMAT and CTPAQ,

[23:59] assessing new civic addresses to several lots and the Troke Lake and the Schwaier-Zachpac.

[24:05] Now I had a question about that.

[24:09] Is it our responsibility to give out civic numbers

[24:15] in the TNO? No.

[24:19] So when he says St. Pat, he's below the

[24:25] We've had requests for specific numbers on Azure.

[24:29] Okay,

[24:36] all good.

[24:42] Administration, number seven, eight.

[24:45] Payment of the bills, need a motion.

[24:50] Everyone's had a chance to look at the bills.

[25:37] I don't know where my copy of that is.

[25:42] All in favor.

[25:51] All in favor?

[25:52] Yeah.

[25:56] Recognize everyone.

[25:57] one.

[25:58] Does that work? No, no.

[26:00] Is it completed?

[26:02] No.

[26:04] It's scheduled.

[26:06] Does it have a material to do with?

[26:09] Okay.

[26:19] Item number B, days you're a day payroll.

[26:24] I'll let Ashley...

[26:27] Ashley...

[26:29] explain that to you.

[26:30] So now that we don't have our accountant

[26:33] preparation of T4s

[26:34] become an issue in the near. I know Doris for the longest time wanted us to do

[26:40] our payroll through Desjardins. When I came back I kind of explained to her that

[26:44] I could easily do it all. This was also with the aid of Jerry with me. Now that

[26:49] he's not there to get our T4s and everything it might be a good idea to

[26:54] do that. So it's up to council. It's the same price, roughly $1,200 a year.

[27:00] they produce our T4s for us and yeah. I think we've made a motion to do that in

[27:09] the past then we made a motion to send it yeah so we're just going back yeah not

[27:17] having Jerry it just it does hold them.

[27:22] Rick made the motion all in favor?

[27:34] I can see a comparative income statement was given to council.

[27:40] So by law, we have to present you with the comparative income statement once a year.

[27:46] And that's before you adopt the budget.

[27:49] So it's just to show you where your budget was and where you actually are.

[27:54] Me and Jerry are still doing quite a bit of cleanup in the books.

[27:57] So not everything is completely accurate.

[28:00] I'm still missing a couple built-in stuff to put in as well, but it gives you an overview of where it works.

[28:13] So we can review this before we start a budget meeting?

[28:17] Yeah, it just has to be in the minutes that you were given the final positions today.

[28:26] Yeah, you can check it out, you can make notes, you can call me.

[28:29] No motion

[28:37] for that.

[28:47] I had a number D, motion to adopt the bylaw, the elections, that's to go from six councillors

[28:56] to four.

[29:06] Is there any further discussion on it?

[29:25] So you haven't till the end of December, so you potentially have one more meeting if you

[29:31] feel you need.

[29:35] It has to be signed to the government by December 30.

[29:40] You wanted to do this to make a motion to not pull or to do it, nothing happens at all if we don't make a motion to do it.

[29:50] So the bylaw you've already adopted the draft, you have your public consultation and then you either adopt the bylaw as it is to go from 6 to 4.

[30:00] We can leave it for tonight if you want another month to think about it.

[30:04] If we're not in favor, we just don't adopt it.

[30:06] You just don't adopt it?

[30:07] Yeah, that's why they want you to hold a public consultation to hear.

[30:10] Right.

[30:11] So you can think about it.

[30:12] That was good.

[30:16] I think that's a good idea.

[30:17] Some good points you brought up tonight.

[30:18] But we already had a lengthy discussion on it at the last meeting.

[30:22] So I think it'd be good if we had some more input, you know.

[30:28] We've had more time to think about it.

[30:30] Yeah, we have one more meeting.

[30:31] so yeah table

[30:35] that okay item

[30:58] number e draft the bylaw for the contract

[31:02] management yeah

[31:06] so the government came down with more rules to add to your

[31:11] contractual agreement which is basically when you hire for anything there's a

[31:17] part of it that you have to add by law and then there's a part of it that's a

[31:21] choice by council so one of the main parts you have to add by law is that

[31:26] that you are favoring effects goods and services

[31:30] over any other Canadians, goods and service.

[31:35] Then you're rotating your contractors

[31:38] when awarding contracts by mutual agreement

[31:40] or inviting persons to tender.

[31:43] You can consider factors as degrees of expertise,

[31:47] customer experience previously had,

[31:49] deadlines for execution, experience

[31:51] in financial capacity, proposed price.

[31:54] So that is added automatically by law.

[31:57] Now, for the section where you can choose as a council to add or not, there's two sections.

[32:04] One of the first sections basically describes that if you're in a small municipality

[32:09] and there is food catering, gas station, pharmacy, hardware store, sales mechanical parts,

[32:14] rental machinery tools, and someone on council or someone on staff owns it,

[32:21] has shares in it or can you re-interest in it, you're allowing them to still be able to do business with them.

[32:30] It is kind of on a case-per-case basis. It has to be in those specific areas.

[32:37] If you do allow it, you have to post the employer elected official, the company, and all the purchases made

[32:44] it's still about the public's awareness.

[32:47] And then the second section that you can add

[32:49] is if you're doing manual service,

[32:52] and it's the same thing.

[32:53] So if you were to go to tender by invitation,

[32:57] you could technically get the official staff,

[33:02] perhaps, if they have the service they're offering.

[33:04] You would still have to do the same steps.

[33:05] So you have to post it on your website,

[33:07] the company name, and the amount that you're sending.

[33:09] So those two are a decision you can make to add or not.

[33:14] It's usually encouraged and small.

[33:20] Ashley, are you saying the volume on it says it must rotate?

[33:25] Yes, so that's probably not a choice.

[33:29] Have we been doing that?

[33:30] Yes.

[33:36] Could you read again those ones?

[33:38] The parts.

[33:39] So there's food, catering, gas stations, pharmacy, hardware store, sale of mechanical parts, rental of machinery or tools.

[33:53] Rental of machinery.

[34:00] I mean, it's always better to have it in, and then you don't have to use it.

[34:06] You know, you'd still come to the table, you'd still discuss who you want to hire, but if

[34:11] it's in there, at least think of how long do we use Roy.

[34:16] If Roy was here, we would still want to use Roy.

[34:21] So if it's there, you can use it, or you can choose that you just find easier not to put it in.

[34:27] So really, it's a matter of declaring...

[34:30] It has to be, we have to have a contractual agreement that's sent to the government,

[34:35] and they come down probably every two years, and they have to have this in, and this in.

[34:40] So this time, the first one you have to put in, and the other two that we do.

[34:45] But that's real. The only difference is that they're saying that if somebody is involved with council, they can also be involved in certain businesses and do business with council, but it has to be done above the board.

[35:00] You have to list the services you do without how much and someone has to be publicized so that everybody knows.

[35:08] Yeah, it's like if you had a gas station here for the guys. Well, we don't really want to send them to Forka Lunge, let's say, to get gas, but maybe a member on council owns the gas station, or a staff member also works there.

[35:22] That's not our case then.

[35:26] This is new? Couldn't do that before?

[35:28] No, this is new. This is your green area.

[35:31] Yeah. Okay. There's a lot of controversy over that in the past.

[35:36] Down the line.

[35:37] And again, I'd have to really dig in to see exactly about it.

[35:43] Does that require a public concentration?

[35:46] No.

[35:47] But a notice of motion?

[35:49] Yes, notice of motion.

[35:51] And then you adopt your draft by law.

[35:56] Like the same name?

[35:59] Okay.

[36:02] Anyone like to make that motion?

[36:05] Okay.

[36:06] Good

[36:20] end draft.

[36:22] Sure.

[36:48] Whose name goes on at American Lake?

[36:49] Are they famous or not?

[36:51] Yes.

[36:56] Good, Karen.

[36:59] So Rick made a motion to...

[37:03] Is there a motion to include all the optional ones as well?

[37:08] Yeah, I think so.

[37:09] I don't know if that makes sense.

[37:14] All those in favor?

[37:15] Yes.

[37:23] MRC fire safety cover plan item F.

[37:27] Motion to adopt the MRC safety cover plan.

[37:30] So

[37:33] they reviewed this over a couple of years.

[37:35] Junienne got used in charge of securities

[37:37] on the entire MRC.

[37:41] The motion he wants us to pass is

[37:43] whereas the municipal council municipality of Schembroke

[37:45] previously adopted the proposed implementation plan

[37:47] of the MRC, Pontiac Fire Safety Plan,

[37:50] whereas significant changes have been made

[37:52] to the plan since its first draft

[37:53] particularly updates to the responsibilities

[37:55] of individual municipalities and various other actions.

[37:58] Whereas the regional council of the MRC

[38:00] Pontiac has adopted a resolution

[38:01] to suspend the filing of the fire safety cover plan to allow for its re-adoption by local municipalities,

[38:07] whereas the revised implementation plan has been presented to the members of the municipal council

[38:10] for their review and consideration. It is proposed by a result that the council hereby adopts the

[38:16] revised implementation plan is presented and agrees to implement it as far as the fire safety

[38:20] measures

[38:25] change. Not really. That's not a lot. I mean, I read through it. Yeah, there's a big

[38:30] There isn't anything that really stands out as being a problem.

[38:36] I would say being a problem to anybody.

[38:39] The Emotion Guide.

[38:41] I'll make it.

[38:43] It doesn't give us much choice anyway.

[38:44] No.

[38:50] To unmix the motion, all those in favor?

[38:52] Yeah.

[38:53] Yes.

[39:00] Item G, Charter of the French Language.

[39:05] Yeah, so I've been working on this as well as Bill 96,

[39:09] which it will come to later down below.

[39:11] Basically, it's a motion to set directives to regulate the use of languages other than

[39:16] French in municipal organizations in Quebec.

[39:20] So they are allowing us an exemption because we have been identified as a bilingual municipality.

[39:26] That being said, in order for us to be permitted to communicate internally in English,

[39:33] for us to be able to communicate with ratepayers in any language other than French, we will

[39:38] need to fill out that there's a tool the government has online and this motion

[39:44] allows us or allows me to go in and basically say in every situation we

[39:50] should be allowed to use English be it for a contract to a local a local

[39:56] contractor or you know an email to a rate payer if we don't have these

[40:02] allocations by I believe the deadline is December 1st, then we won't be allowed to

[40:10] moving forward. So it's primordial for us to be able to serve the public in English

[40:15] that we pass this motion. So I would need someone to make the motion to regulate

[40:20] the use of language other than French.

[40:34] If you go through with this and you get

[40:40] permission to do it in English, does it have to be bilingual or can be English

[40:43] only it has to be but yeah it gives you it allows you to use English okay which

[40:49] otherwise would not be permitted regardless of the the mother tongue of the

[40:54] the recipient Lorna makes the motion all those in favor item

[41:09] H 25 budget for

[41:11] strap is presented to council for review and discussion we

[41:19] have some dates in

[41:21] future for budget discussions.

[41:32] You want to give yourselves time to go over what

[41:37] they had so far and wait till then to really get into it or if there's any

[41:42] questions tonight. Well we'll get to the dates thereafter but as far as

[41:48] discussing this item now presented a council for review and discussion.

[41:56] Jerry is still helping me.

[42:04] He did give me some little facts that I wanted to tell you.

[42:10] So we all know there's an increase in tax valuation for the new roll that's coming up.

[42:15] So in 2024, we were evaluated at 95 million for 82700 in chain.

[42:22] For 2025, we're up to 145,552.

[42:26] so you're at a 52.6% increase a lot of that due to COVID as well so at this

[42:36] point if you wanted to keep your tax bills exactly the way they were without

[42:41] this big increase your mill rate now is 56 cents you'd have to drop your mill

[42:46] rate 2.367 cents just to show you the big difference so you're at 56 cents now

[42:53] you'd have to drop it to 36 cents. 36.

[43:00] Because of the valuation difference.

[43:02] And that's to keep it exactly the same. You'll obviously need a bit of an increase.

[43:10] So what me and Jerry are going to do is go through and get at least a good idea of your revenues that are coming in,

[43:16] your expenses that are going out, and then that's, once you have the majority of those in,

[43:20] that's when you can kind of see where you can get your mill rate because you

[43:26] basically just want to balance you want to make sure you're just charging to

[43:30] operate.

[43:34] But is there room to increase the spending to try and improve the

[43:40] infrastructure? Yeah so that's why as a council you go over your expenses and

[43:45] your projects that you want and then you can kind of see where it lands.

[43:53] I do

[43:53] You have some fees already for service fees.

[43:59] Your police fees last year were $173.

[44:03] This could fluctuate by a little bit there.

[44:05] So this year they're going to be $177.

[44:10] And that reflects the true cost.

[44:13] Your fire and rescue for 2024 was $178.

[44:17] And you'll be able to drop it to $157 for 2025.

[44:21] by.

[44:25] It used to be at 178 and it's gonna go to 157. Oh well the cost from

[44:35] she'll take you back went down. Really? You have two additional users of service

[44:41] fees, not that that would give you a huge difference, but two new properties.

[44:53] Yeah

[44:53] that police cost this year was 81,177.

[45:00] And the fire department was 72,075.

[45:03] Do you

[45:10] know of any increases or decreases with the wastes mentioned?

[45:15] It should stay close to the same for next year. We'll probably see a difference the next year.

[45:21] That's one of the laws of the changing.

[45:24] Excuse me.

[45:26] Can I ask a question about the budget?

[45:29] No.

[45:30] Because it's big lines, right?

[45:33] Where does the road apply to that there?

[45:36] Because it's not an infrastructure.

[45:42] Oh, that's complicated.

[45:45] We've several different sources of income for the roads

[45:49] and then from that we divide up the contracts for snow removal

[45:53] and so what we're left with is usually based on

[46:00] what we had been doing in the past as far as ditching and culverts and everything.

[46:03] Okay,

[46:07] can I say it in French?

[46:09] No, I'm sorry.

[46:11] Okay, we can translate it in English.

[46:13] We can do the translation.

[46:14] Okay, because I like to understand the budget,

[46:19] trying to understand the budget.

[46:21] But if you know,

[46:23] because there you have the employees of the ministry

[46:25] who work on the showroom and everything, right?

[46:28] But the layout of the path,

[46:32] this is the operator of the computer.

[46:33] Yes.

[46:35] But where is the budget? Because I see that it is a big line of budget. But there it is complicated, it is done.

[46:43] Because we receive financial sums, we receive money to maintain the local roads.

[46:54] Ok.

[46:55] But it is very limited.

[46:59] Yes, both. Well, there's the tech, in any case. It's very complicated because it's

[47:04] that, the rates change each year.

[47:09] The 148 is the MTQ. So we don't touch the 148. It's just, so this money is allotted

[47:20] only for yeah yeah so the more we can get our employees to do better because

[47:29] we're already playing them hourly grading it's just a contract on its own so

[47:33] grading is a contract snow plowing is a contract and they're all in the budget

[47:38] line you can see them

[47:39] Like, you can see, there are a lot of people on the table, but there are no people on the other table, like some...

[47:49] Do you know when you do the books there?

[47:51] Yeah.

[47:51] Okay?

[47:52] There's somewhere it's written that they did, if it's a provincial or a federal road, you know?

[47:59] Because I wanted to...

[48:00] Let's say, example, Trout Lake, okay?

[48:03] What type of road is that?

[48:05] it's a local three so it's not we can't get grants or money for it that's the

[48:09] problem okay so we get a big road maintenance grant every year like a

[48:16] hundred eighty three thousand roughly and we take that amount and we divvy it up

[48:21] mostly on our roads so that'll pay our snow plowing our grating sweeping

[48:25] ditching gravel all those things kind of road related it's one big grant we

[48:29] usually get it okay sorry could you could you itemize those questions maybe

[48:34] before the next meeting, it seems to be quite complicated. It's not a question period and

[48:39] we need to move on to a big agenda. I'm sorry. The last question. Okay, that's okay. I'm

[48:47] trying to understand the before and maybe later on, like how come before they have the

[48:54] money to do that? Oh, the programs change all the time. Oh, okay. You know? They had agreements

[49:02] in the past when the MTQ turned over a lot of roads in Sheenbrook to the

[49:06] municipality that was some of the agreements that came to but they was

[49:11] a time limit on it I would imagine. To my acknowledge, Anita.

[49:21] We do have a public

[49:23] council meeting that you can attend.

[49:27] He's going to get to the dates.

[49:31] Specifically for budget. Yeah, so you can come and it's only about budget.

[49:34] When is that going to be?

[49:36] We're coming to it.

[49:39] Thank you.

[49:40] Have you got an agenda?

[49:41] Yes. You'll find it then.

[49:43] Okay, thanks.

[49:45] Okay, so we can move on. Any more discussion on the budget?

[49:52] It's very preliminary.

[50:01] Budget meeting dates.

[50:02] Oh, it was next.

[50:05] 10th

[50:21] on December 9th, and then the work session for the budget if requested by council if

[50:28] they want an additional work session, but the 28th is what actually is not proposed.

[50:37] So what are council's feelings on these dates for the budget meeting being on December

[50:45] the 9th?

[50:54] I

[50:58] feel like I was thinking of you.

[50:59] Monday.

[51:00] Yeah.

[51:04] And then, in addition to that, if you require, you could have a working session.

[51:15] Tell it before then.

[51:16] Twenty-eight.

[51:18] Yeah.

[51:19] So you have your meeting today.

[51:21] And then if you want to have a work session in between this meeting and your December meeting,

[51:25] you're just your regular council meeting.

[51:27] You can have one where it's just council.

[51:29] And you can hash through everything.

[51:31] Then you have a chance to discuss it again at your December 6th public meeting and then you adopt it at your December 6th, especially budget.

[51:42] The work session is just a few more.

[51:44] November 20th is a Thursday.

[51:49] I'm not available on the 28th.

[51:52] Neither one.

[51:54] Can we do this on Monday?

[51:55] I couldn't be doing on the 25th of November.

[51:58] You can.

[51:58] I was just hopeful because I'm off on vacation all next week and then the Monday, so don't

[52:05] But I mean it doesn't matter

[52:08] As long as you're open to not much changing

[52:11] From what you're seeing tonight. What about December 2nd?

[52:23] There's too much to have it

[52:25] earlier. Why could we come for an hour or two before? It gives you more time to

[52:37] have a

[52:40] plate first and then. Yeah, we came by the second, but we came to say it by five o'clock.

[52:59] So December 9th, 5 o'clock?

[53:02] December 2nd?

[53:03] December 2nd.

[53:04] Before meeting we're done.

[53:06] Okay.

[53:09] Thank you.

[53:10] And so then you just need a motion for this.

[53:12] Okay.

[53:14] All right.

[53:16] So yeah, we need a motion then for the public meeting

[53:21] and adopt the agenda.

[53:25] Adopt the budget December the 9th.

[53:31] So, what are we doing? Is it December the 9th, the public consultation?

[53:38] Well, just to be clear, not a consultation.

[53:43] It's just presenting the budget right now.

[53:48] Oh, I need a motion to present it.

[53:51] Not a mixed motion.

[53:54] I'll make up.

[53:57] Uh, Karen already did it?

[53:59] Yeah.

[54:03] No problem.

[54:05] That was a state.

[54:09] What time is that, 6.30?

[54:12] 6.30?

[54:14] What about 2?

[54:15] Standard.

[54:16] Public meetings.

[54:18] So December the 2nd at 5, and December the 9th at 6.30.

[54:27] Correct.

[54:29] Karen made the motion. All those in favor?

[54:33] Mr.

[54:41] Tessier will then update us until 96.

[54:44] So we had an update. We had a roundtable meeting with representatives of the other 23 municipalities involved.

[54:53] There's several proposals. One was the defense collaboration proposal.

[54:58] And it essentially is that if any one of the 23 municipalities is targeted by this legislation,

[55:08] that we stand united, at least in a public statement, if it should occur, you know,

[55:15] all for one, all one for all kind of thing. And if any municipality is affected,

[55:21] they will contact Code St. Luke, any of the 23, and then the legal team will

[55:27] immediately attempt to trigger a new court stay. So right now, because the law

[55:35] law hasn't been shown by the government to be egregious. There is a stay currently. And

[55:44] so it's not, you know, it's not the end of the story, but until the law is applied in

[55:51] egregious way, the judge disagreed with the assertion that it was, because you can't

[55:58] prove something that hasn't happened yet, essentially. So that's the reason for the

[56:03] stay. There is a legal fee update. So we've only spent 66% of the original budget, which

[56:09] is $1 per permanent resident. If you look at the costs of the other municipalities, we

[56:15] are currently contributing less than 1% of the legal fees. So we're along for the ride,

[56:21] but because of the size of our municipality, our cost is still very low. There is a request

[56:28] that if necessary, a reserve of remaining funds be created for future needs, and that would

[56:36] be 34 cents per resident, again, very low cost for us as plaintiffs. And everyone, they're

[56:44] agreed. So only two municipalities have experienced calls concerning the law. There have been

[56:52] no violations, even though the legal requirements, it's up to them whether they enforce it or

[57:00] not. Currently the government isn't enforcing the law. So yeah, we're encouraged to report

[57:05] any complaints or citations and then that will be forwarded to our legal advisors.

[57:11] This was also agreed upon by the group. And the last thing is the unified communication.

[57:17] So the group will draft a common message on their stance regarding the group challenge.

[57:22] This message will be sent for approval before the appeal deadline to the council and prior to publication.

[57:29] And again, the group has agreed on a unified approach so that everyone be on the same page when it comes to discussing this publicly with any news outlets or government organizations or anything like that.

[57:42] So things are going okay. We haven't lost. We haven't won. There's still money in the

[57:49] coffers. We may be asked to kick in that 34 cents in the near future, although that is

[57:55] uncertain. And it's going to take quite a while for this to work its way through the courts.

[58:00] So we just need to be patient.

[58:03] So Simon, what's an example of how they would target me in this reality?

[58:09] So for example, in the case of...

[58:14] Just email in between me and Simon.

[58:15] Yeah, really, that's it.

[58:17] Any internal communication.

[58:19] So even though Ashley and I speak to each other in English, we would be forced to communicate

[58:24] through email all in French.

[58:25] French, there's a ton of stipulations as to how the contracts would have to be done unilingual

[58:34] francophone.

[58:35] We wouldn't be allowed to tender public contracts in English language.

[58:40] So there's a few different things like that that are part of the process like the legal

[58:45] appeal.

[58:46] That's what they're saying is that if the watchdogs come for the French language

[58:55] that we all stick together, that we all let each other know that it's happened, and that

[59:00] there will be a shared response from the 23 municipalities. And if they do, we're kind

[59:06] of hoping that they do, because that would give us an opportunity to then say that the

[59:10] law is egregious. They haven't used it in the way that we fear they will. And they're

[59:18] saying that's the reason why that it's not, you can't really contest it like I

[59:24] saying you can't say it's egregious until harm has actually been done.

[59:28] So it's in the judge's hands for now and we're just going to keep applying and all that.

[59:37] Simon, could they target you in discussions with our employees?

[59:43] Yes.

[59:44] So that's it.

[59:45] Any community, well it's hard obviously to mandate conversations.

[59:51] It's not a big brother situation.

[59:52] But it could be as far as like your size on the door. You don't have them in both languages. Yeah, it can be very simple

[1:00:02] Yeah. It's basically, think of it as being forced to be unilingual francophone with no recourse to the English language whatsoever.

[1:00:13] Everybody understand that?

[1:00:15] Yeah.

[1:00:16] There's 23 registered bilingual municipalities in the province. We're just trying to retain that.

[1:00:22] How come they say bonjour high?

[1:00:27] That's the Banjo Hai thing is a Montreal thing and they're trying to stop it. Also it's worth

[1:00:32] mentioning that some of these 23 municipalities are not recognized as officially bilingual.

[1:00:38] There are actually, there's only a two or three maybe, but they are unilingual French and they

[1:00:43] have thrown in with us out of principle. So there's a principled objection to the law because,

[1:00:50] you know it's they see it as as unfair to anglophones there's only two or three I'd

[1:00:57] have to go through the list of municipalities I just know that not all

[1:01:00] the municipalities on the list are officially recognized as bilingual

[1:01:06] pardon me we are we receive that because of our what's it called the forms

[1:01:15] you fill out the come-to-your-house the census the census establishes us as a

[1:01:21] well as a majority anglophone yeah it's thanks to the census that we're able to

[1:01:26] apply and say we are a bilingual municipality that status has been

[1:01:29] granted us and so this is just us trying to defend ourselves basically from

[1:01:36] Bill 96 okay and

[1:01:43] Kay need a motion to apply for a grant for the summer

[1:01:48] student for 25 dick

[1:01:55] made the motion all those in favor fast

[1:02:06] need a motion to

[1:02:07] accept the TNO recyclables at the transfer site with your 2025

[1:02:16] charge $3,000 Rick

[1:02:24] made the motion all in favor

[1:03:05] Thank you for your financial support over the past years. Your municipality's annual contribution to the organization assists in covering the operating costs of the facility.

[1:03:16] community and helps ensure lasting benefits to the community such as social interaction,

[1:03:21] the facility serves as a gathering place for families and friends fostering community bonds,

[1:03:27] physical health, ice skating and pickleball promote physical activity, improving fitness

[1:03:32] and coordination, skill development provides opportunities for individuals to learn and

[1:03:36] improve skating, hockey and pickleball skills, for economic boost, attraction

[1:03:42] for visitors, benefiting local businesses and creating jobs, seasonal activities, extends recreational

[1:03:48] opportunities during winter months, enhancing community engagement, inclusivity accessible to

[1:03:54] people of all ages and skill levels, encouraging participation for diverse groups, youth engagement

[1:04:01] offers programs for children and teens helping develop teamwork and discipline, cultural events,

[1:04:07] Events can host ice events, hockey games, festivals, enriching local culture and entertainment

[1:04:12] options.

[1:04:14] For mental health, provides a fun recreational outlet that can reduce stress and improve

[1:04:19] overall well-being and community pride.

[1:04:21] A well-maintained rink can become a source of pride and identity for the community.

[1:04:26] Your support is very important and we hope that your municipality will continue to contribute

[1:04:30] the usual amount of $5,000 in 2024 and 2025. Respectfully, David Weincourt, President.

[1:04:40] Thank you.

[1:04:49] This isn't $10,000 today.

[1:04:52] $5,000 for 2024. And then if you want to pass for next year.

[1:04:57] For next year?

[1:04:58] Yeah. We haven't paid 2024.

[1:05:02] We haven't paid it.

[1:05:04] But we made a motion to pay it.

[1:05:12] I'll make a motion for this

[1:05:24] year or both years?

[1:05:26] Well, I don't know. Do you want to make the other before the budget?

[1:05:29] Why don't we just do one?

[1:05:30] I think we can next year.

[1:05:33] Well, yeah, it should only be for 224.

[1:05:35] I think we haven't gotten our budget yet,

[1:05:38] but we need to make our budget for 225.

[1:05:41] Let's just do it again.

[1:05:43] Okay, for 224 that.

[1:05:45] Change of wording to pay the 5,000 budgeted?

[1:05:49] Yeah.

[1:05:50] 24?

[1:05:50] Yeah.

[1:05:52] John made the motion. All those in favor?

[1:05:54] Yes.

[1:06:03] Office closures.

[1:06:09] I'm gonna turn this over to the DG. Simon and myself both have

[1:06:14] vacation next week. So does Kelvin. So we were going to close the office Monday

[1:06:19] Tuesday Wednesday. Just easier. Happened. We ended up taking up the exact same week.

[1:06:28] But it might be easier that way there. Everybody's off. Kelvin's off. So that

[1:06:34] be closing from November 18th to the 20th. And then a motion to have the office closed for

[1:06:41] Christmas holidays, which we normally do, December 23rd to January 3rd.

[1:06:53] What day is the building

[1:06:55] inspector going to be here? He's in on Monday. So he will be here the 18th? The 18th. So the

[1:07:01] office will be open? He'll be here, yeah. I mean, they can't pay taxes.

[1:07:10] I don't know if he'll be here, but...

[1:07:11] Do

[1:07:17] we need to stress that or just close it on these dates?

[1:07:25] At this time of the year you have nobody.

[1:07:27] He can't pay for that.

[1:07:28] Coming in just to make it clear like there's no payments or anything.

[1:07:34] Doris is always reachable all the way off as well.

[1:07:36] She can't extend if there's anything.

[1:07:38] Do you need a motion for that?

[1:07:40] Yes.

[1:07:40] I'll make the motion.

[1:07:43] Some of you are working on transfers out on this Sunday.

[1:07:46] Yes, Brian is doing this Sunday and then Calvin's back up.

[1:07:52] Karen made the motion, all in favor?

[1:07:54] Yes, ma'am.

[1:07:56] Passed.

[1:08:07] Bibliode Udoei, motion to contribute to the library, minimum amount is $65, but we've

[1:08:15] normally contributed $650.

[1:08:19] That 65 thing is just kind of came to light.

[1:08:24] It's always been there, but nobody remembers mentioning it before, but anyhow.

[1:08:30] No.

[1:08:32] So what's in our budget last year?

[1:08:34] Six.

[1:08:37] It just says for 2025,

[1:08:41] the minimum amount is 50 cents per capita,

[1:08:44] according to the official gizette.

[1:08:47] And when I went and looked it up,

[1:08:48] we were 130 people at 50 cents.

[1:08:51] So that's your minimum, 60.

[1:08:54] It is to note that it's only us and Alamed Island.

[1:09:01] What's your name?

[1:09:05] And then you have to,

[1:09:06] do you want to just do the minimum

[1:09:07] or is there a certain amount?

[1:09:08] I know. I thought that's what it has been. I know before we gave more. So what does everybody think?

[1:09:18] Well, if we have it in our budget.

[1:09:22] It was budgeted before now?

[1:09:24] This is for next year.

[1:09:26] For 650?

[1:09:27] Yeah.

[1:09:27] So we're asking.

[1:09:29] So we need to put that in our budget.

[1:09:30] Yes. You've already paid for this year. It was in your budget.

[1:09:33] And we paid 650.

[1:09:44] They want an answer. Yeah, they did by the end of November. So we need a motion that

[1:09:49] we will put it in their budget.

[1:10:00] Didn't they need them out?

[1:10:12] They're probably trying to

[1:10:13] motion to put something in the budget for whatever budget you need. Like how we just say we will.

[1:10:20] How we will. If everybody agrees that they're going to give the sick person, say we will give them the

[1:10:25] expected put-it-in-air budget. You just have to agree on an amount and when you agree on the amount

[1:10:32] you're agreeing that you are going to put it in your budget. You just have to agree on an amount.

[1:10:36] I don't make that motion that way. From whatever budget we need we just put it in. Everybody agrees.

[1:10:48] John makes the motion. All in favor?

[1:10:50] Yeah.

[1:10:54] And to be clear, we're keeping it up the same amount?

[1:10:56] Yeah.

[1:10:58] 650.

[1:11:03] The Coonerary Interest Farm.

[1:11:09] Just has to be noted that you were...

[1:11:10] Oh yeah, those things, we filled up those.

[1:11:15] They're only waiting for mine.

[1:11:17] That's okay, you have to put this number.

[1:11:26] Designation of the Pro-Mare.

[1:11:45] I don't even understand what's going on.

[1:11:47] Each year we have to make a motion to nominate someone to be the pro-mayor in the Mayor's

[1:11:53] absence.

[1:11:54] They act as mayor as I'm doing tonight.

[1:11:58] But you also have to attend meetings if the Mayor is not available.

[1:12:03] You have to.

[1:12:03] Get mercy meetings.

[1:12:04] Yeah.

[1:12:05] Place wreaths.

[1:12:06] Make speeches.

[1:12:08] But I thought that was done when you...

[1:12:10] When the elections are on, I thought they would decide if you needed an actor.

[1:12:17] I think you can...

[1:12:18] It's every day's the mayor.

[1:12:19] I think you can adopt your own practice for that to do it annually.

[1:12:23] Sometimes they wanted to move it around, give everyone experience at the job.

[1:12:29] Or is it a mandate?

[1:12:31] I'm not sure.

[1:12:32] I know we have to do it yearly.

[1:12:34] That might just be because you guys only ever did it yearly.

[1:12:39] When I was mayor, we had the option to pick one for the term, and I remember discussing

[1:12:45] that we'd do it every year in case someone else wanted to kick it again.

[1:12:49] So is this like somebody's the mayor and somebody's the mayor in public?

[1:12:53] No.

[1:13:07] The mayor is in Alberta, so I'm filling it.

[1:13:15] You can leave it till December.

[1:13:16] If you don't have a volunteer,

[1:13:21] you're up for nominations.

[1:13:24] Anybody wants to make a motion to designate?

[1:13:29] I'll pretend to be there.

[1:13:31] No.

[1:13:31] So you can vote.

[1:13:34] So you can vote on the traffic.

[1:13:36] So you can vote on that.

[1:13:39] Right?

[1:13:40] Well, the conflict of interest because I live there.

[1:13:43] And screw you with me.

[1:13:49] Leave it.

[1:13:51] Doris can appoint it as well if no one wants to.

[1:14:05] I don't want to nominate myself sitting here now.

[1:14:31] Item number are Christmas appreciation dinner, motion for council and staff to attend the

[1:14:40] Christmas Appreciation Dinner on December the 6th, is that not a meeting?

[1:14:45] No, that's a second hand.

[1:14:47] That's a second hand.

[1:14:50] Then we need a head kill.

[1:15:00] So, the invitation went out to everybody. We've got the place and the date and the time and

[1:15:07] have to show proof of ID.

[1:15:15] We'll make a motion.

[1:15:28] Is that just information only? No, we need a motion.

[1:15:30] We need a motion because you'll be spending the money to pay for it.

[1:15:35] The RSVP says November 25th. You guys can get back to me or message Jeff Palin and Jeff.

[1:15:46] No, I don't believe so. I think it's just catered. If I hear anything I'll let you know I'm good.

[1:15:52] You have a cost?

[1:15:55] No, once she figures it all out I think she'd give you something like that.

[1:16:07] I need a motion.

[1:16:08] I don't like the motion just formality and way to do it every year or something.

[1:16:14] But there might be a way to think about doing something else, right?

[1:16:22] I mean we're not going to do it this year but moving forward.

[1:16:25] We're talking about that every year like that, well because it's expensive. I know

[1:16:31] Obviously they're having it so more and more fire fighters, and it's not that they don't we don't appreciate them, but it's

[1:16:39] It's a change

[1:16:43] Anyways, why did what is the cost thing is that we don't know

[1:16:47] I think it was based on how many people go

[1:16:55] There's a motion on the table

[1:17:11] I think they should come to the decision whether or not they're going to do it every year and

[1:17:20] just do it because one council decided they weren't going to do it, one council not showing

[1:17:26] appreciation for you know yeah and one thing you could think about maybe is by

[1:17:36] the population like pay a percentage like we do with the fire department instead of

[1:17:40] paying an equal share I mean

[1:17:46] population of some municipalities might be 1400

[1:17:50] 100 where ours is 400 and we're paying an equal share or we're paying I don't

[1:17:56] know the breakdown yeah but other units about it already paying three times as

[1:18:01] much anyway because they've got more people paying yeah yeah they're already

[1:18:06] paying three times much yeah so that probably balances out pretty close

[1:18:14] Any help? John made the motion? All in favor?

[1:18:18] Yes.

[1:18:22] Lawrence?

[1:18:23] Yes.

[1:18:24] Okay.

[1:18:25] I don't say no, it's yes.

[1:18:34] Pontiac Journal of Christmas ad. Motion to participate in Christmas ad.

[1:18:39] The journals cost $81 in color.

[1:18:43] But we're over budget as far as publications.

[1:18:50] So I say we don't, we don't do it.

[1:19:01] That require no motion or a motion to not accept?

[1:19:04] You'd have to do the motion and then vote.

[1:19:06] Oh.

[1:19:07] Yeah.

[1:19:08] Motion to do it and then vote?

[1:19:10] Yep.

[1:19:10] Okay.

[1:19:11] Anybody want to have an example?

[1:19:12] You can do it or not do it.

[1:19:14] Yeah, or the motion either way.

[1:19:17] As long as you all agree.

[1:19:18] I make the motion that we not participate in the

[1:19:21] in the Christmas act.

[1:19:21] Okay.

[1:19:25] Based on the fact that we're voting.

[1:19:26] Based on the fact that we're voting.

[1:19:29] budget.

[1:19:32] The reason for that is explaining

[1:19:37] this afternoon when you've got new things

[1:19:41] that you don't normally have and you have to make a publication because they're

[1:19:44] hiring a student or hiring a new. And I think that with our mail chip our staff

[1:19:50] wishes everybody Merry Christmas anyways. It was the sale of the

[1:19:55] tracks in Treler too because we had to post it again. It's also how long your

[1:20:00] public notices when you have to do French and English, you know, there's information you have to put in it and it's expensive.

[1:20:07] Like some ads are $500.

[1:20:09] I think it could be used in better ways.

[1:20:11] Well, keep it in mind in budget time.

[1:20:13] Or something.

[1:20:14] Raise it a bit because the cost of everything is going up.

[1:20:16] Yeah.

[1:20:17] Get to the point where we can't afford to publish what we want publishing.

[1:20:26] So Karen made a motion to not all those in favor?

[1:20:28] Yeah.

[1:20:29] Under the circumstances, yeah.

[1:20:31] Fast.

[1:20:35] Reliance Recycling Contract,

[1:20:39] the current recycling contract with Lavellas, but this is the last year?

[1:20:49] Yeah, so every second contract goes till 2026, we normally sign it for three years every time,

[1:20:56] but because the MRC is going to be taking over the competency for all our recycling,

[1:21:01] but they're only taking over in 2026.

[1:21:03] So we need to break our contract with them and just sign a one-year

[1:21:11] Yeah, I have the new contract and everything they've actually lowered their thoughts. No, it's breaking

[1:21:17] So we were supposed to going into next year. We were supposed to be increased by seven percent

[1:21:20] But now because they're competing with McGermann they kept it at five percent. So we're at the same as this year

[1:21:34] Dick makes the motion all in favor

[1:21:35] Yes.

[1:21:37] Fast.

[1:21:46] The sanding contract, motion.

[1:21:48] One more.

[1:21:49] No.

[1:21:49] This one?

[1:21:53] Nope.

[1:21:55] Item U.

[1:21:56] Motion to accept the EEQ contract.

[1:21:59] So that contract is the big contract that the MRC is putting together right now to be in charge of all of our recycling for 2026.

[1:22:09] In charge of what?

[1:22:10] All of our recycling.

[1:22:12] All of our recycling.

[1:22:13] Yeah.

[1:22:13] They're taking over the MRC.

[1:22:14] They're completely going to take over, yeah.

[1:22:16] And any idea what the cost is for the beef?

[1:22:19] No.

[1:22:19] So this is to be able to allow them to go to tender.

[1:22:22] OK, I'll make that more significant.

[1:22:25] It's all 18 minutes.

[1:22:27] What's that going to look like?

[1:22:29] They're not 100% sure yet.

[1:22:31] They're hoping how it's going to go is that everything is taken care

[1:22:35] of by the MRT and then we're just built.

[1:22:38] They're trying to figure out how it's going to work

[1:22:40] because we get money back for our recycling, how they're going

[1:22:43] to break that link.

[1:22:43] So all of that still, they were technically supposed

[1:22:46] to have it ready for 2025 and they're behind, so they push it back in every year.

[1:22:51] Yeah, but as the year goes on in 2025, we'll get all the new ones.

[1:22:58] Don't expect it to be in the future.

[1:23:01] No?

[1:23:02] Of course not.

[1:23:05] Consider the MRC couldn't mark that, so in this regard, let's see, first in.

[1:23:12] We basically don't have a choice.

[1:23:17] They should have technically been taking care of our recycling this whole time.

[1:23:20] It is a competency that the MRC is just like our garbage.

[1:23:23] They're in charge of our garbage contract and we pay it, but it should have always been for recycling.

[1:23:29] One of the things they want to do is they want a house-to-house collection.

[1:23:34] I'm not sure how that's going to be any cheaper.

[1:23:37] It's going to be way more expensive, I know it already, but they just have this genuine

[1:23:41] and Nina was currently in charge of a lot of this.

[1:23:47] They just set this vision that everyone should be the same.

[1:23:51] Everyone should get both compost

[1:23:53] and a recycle picked up at the door.

[1:23:57] Doesn't matter where you live.

[1:23:59] Wouldn't be there full time or part time.

[1:24:01] Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the law

[1:24:02] is making them pick up organic matter at your door.

[1:24:05] Is that correct, Senator?

[1:24:08] Well, they pushed it back to 26. The province initially said 25. The province has a mandate

[1:24:17] to try to produce everything in province and recycle everything in province. They call

[1:24:23] it a cradle to grave approach when it comes to provincial waste. They're also not opening

[1:24:27] any more, they've said they're not opening any more landfills. So when the LaShin landfill

[1:24:32] is full. There won't be anywhere, at least according to the current plan, for the

[1:24:38] waste to go. So they're pushing for all organic waste to be picked up door-to-

[1:24:44] door, province-wide, by 2026. Which is incredibly expensive in an area like

[1:24:51] this. Really quite silly, right? It's all foolish.

[1:24:57] And that's, you know, just get

[1:24:58] The impact of this business we've been fighting with the waste committee is that that's one

[1:25:06] of the things we've been saying, what do you say, you know, again for this, you know, first

[1:25:10] of all, we all have, there are a lot of us in areas like this, we have transfer sites

[1:25:14] that are reasonably well run, people are used to bringing their, you know, their compost,

[1:25:20] the recycling to that, that location and why not pick it up there, you know, it's

[1:25:27] just a one-stop thing as opposed to incurring huge expenses.

[1:25:33] And I think in Water Lake or something like that,

[1:25:35] they figured it would be like an extra $100,000 a year

[1:25:38] or something ridiculous to do the door-to-door stuff

[1:25:43] in the rural areas.

[1:25:46] Well, Ashley, do we have a choice

[1:25:48] that we can have the municipality know

[1:25:51] we don't want you to do that?

[1:25:53] At this point, this is just to allow.

[1:25:55] this contract is just to allow them to do a recycling that you don't really have

[1:26:00] a choice I mean they're not there yet they're not there yet yeah there's time

[1:26:04] to there's time to yeah I think more will come out and there'll be more

[1:26:07] discussions or municipalities about it the idea would be that it wouldn't be

[1:26:11] the municipality themselves buying a truck to do that it would be two trucks

[1:26:14] that they would buy at the MRC that would serve all of us

[1:26:19] It's just kind of how they explained it, but it's still again in planning.

[1:26:34] Dick makes the motion.

[1:26:36] It's all in favor?

[1:26:37] Yes.

[1:26:39] Fast.

[1:26:47] The sanding contract, the motion to hire Roy Pirro again, he's agreed to do it for

[1:26:53] the same price as last year.

[1:26:58] It includes the transfer site, the parking lot here, the driveway out,

[1:27:06] it's Rick.

[1:27:09] And what's that contract?

[1:27:11] $1,700.

[1:27:12] $100 plus tax.

[1:27:22] Call those in favor?

[1:27:31] Council meeting dates, motion to approve the dates picked for 2025.

[1:27:36] That's presented.

[1:27:51] If not, you have to go with the French one.

[1:27:54] French meeting is the day before.

[1:27:56] The only ones you cannot change is October and November, just because of the

[1:27:59] elections and the way it went.

[1:28:06] Sit in with the whole hall. You did a good job on that, didn't you?

[1:28:10] Yeah, okay.

[1:28:11] Do you need a motion?

[1:28:14] Yes.

[1:28:15] I'll make that motion.

[1:28:17] We accept the council meeting dates.

[1:28:21] Karen makes the motion. All in favor?

[1:28:23] Yeah.

[1:28:24] Yeah.

[1:28:24] Fast.

[1:28:31] Number eight is committees.

[1:28:38] A Interminational Committee Meeting Report.

[1:28:41] I wasn't unable to attend due to

[1:28:48] family matters but Ashley was there I'll let her explain. Yeah so it was the same

[1:28:55] conversation just sharing resources and what everybody thought about it. This

[1:29:00] meeting included Wolfman so they were there for a while they left and now

[1:29:05] they're back at the table discussing things. Cory did a little presentation I

[1:29:11] think I sent it to everyone in the emails. He wants to have the mamash

[1:29:15] involved in helping us, if we do decide to share resources, to show us step-by-step how it would work.

[1:29:22] They are looking now that, you guys kind of had a couple meetings, they want to make sure the council's fully involved

[1:29:30] and interested in actually sharing. So they want a motion that the Council of the Municipality of Schembroke

[1:29:36] supports the continued discussions and exploration of service sharing options with the other three

[1:29:40] in neighboring municipalities, and that the Council of Municipalities Schembroke identifies

[1:29:44] the priorities for potential service sharing, especially in the areas of, so they're asking

[1:29:50] each council if they would like to precisely say things they're interested in sharing.

[1:29:56] So Doris is suggesting was she was really

[1:29:59] a

[1:30:00] Wanting to share public works, is one of the ones she brought up, administration, and the

[1:30:06] Pathway Mine and Heritage Building Committee. We are required to have a

[1:30:10] committee on each council right now for heritage buildings and demolition and how

[1:30:16] that's all going to go. She would like to have one council committee, sorry, for all

[1:30:21] four instead of having one for each municipality. Myself, I think public works

[1:30:26] Again, it's a big one that we could definitely share.

[1:30:30] For me, accounting would have been great.

[1:30:32] And I believe for equipment purchases,

[1:30:35] big expenditures, we could definitely share

[1:30:38] and make it worth our money.

[1:30:40] We had finally resolved that council supports

[1:30:42] establishing any necessary framework

[1:30:44] on consultations with any related ministries

[1:30:46] to ensure a structured and productive approach

[1:30:48] to these discussions and future collaboration.

[1:30:50] However, any future commitment to sharing of services

[1:30:52] of any kind must be approved

[1:30:54] about each municipal council as discussed.

[1:30:57] Alicia just wanted to make sure that this isn't

[1:30:58] that you're agreeing to recommend specific,

[1:31:00] just that you really are on board.

[1:31:03] And they just wanted to hear council's thoughts

[1:31:06] if there was certain things.

[1:31:11] Second one, sorry.

[1:31:13] Public works, on your agenda.

[1:31:16] On your agenda.

[1:31:16] Third is different than yours.

[1:31:18] Is it?

[1:31:19] Sorry.

[1:31:20] And then for me, I said public works, accounting

[1:31:22] and equipment purchases.

[1:31:25] I wanted to add dump to that for transfer sites.

[1:31:30] I was going back to Dick saying that we have no choice but to get in on the MRC thing.

[1:31:35] We could look at being independent from that and finding out what our cost would be

[1:31:38] if you can sell items from the dump and turn it into a money maker.

[1:31:42] And then if there is a truck that has to go around and pick on everything up,

[1:31:46] there would only be one stop for that truck to make and not two.

[1:31:56] We initiated a survey for best practices at all the transfer sites, and the MRC has just more or less varied it.

[1:32:05] Oh yeah?

[1:32:07] It's disappeared.

[1:32:10] Another big one that was on the table for discussion was grants.

[1:32:15] But with that not the other administration?

[1:32:19] Yeah, but they were speaking specifically.

[1:32:21] Because in Chapel they have Chantaleur who does community development.

[1:32:24] But she does a lot of grants, like she's just always looking for grants.

[1:32:29] It's a time consuming thing.

[1:32:32] And I mean if you're doing it for one, why not do it for four, right?

[1:32:36] Exactly. So she finds a grant that we can all use.

[1:32:39] And she's doing the application, I'm using her as an example.

[1:32:42] doing the application four times.

[1:32:45] That's Grant's office?

[1:32:48] Grant's would be yeah, you know.

[1:32:50] Yeah, exactly.

[1:32:53] What's the use of a court?

[1:32:55] The MRC is still pushing for a municipal court.

[1:32:59] We haven't heard anything of it.

[1:33:01] What does that involve?

[1:33:03] Instead of a provincial court.

[1:33:05] It's like when you get a fine for a bylaw fine.

[1:33:08] Right now there's nobody to enforce it.

[1:33:19] I had an interesting conversation yesterday with Ken Doyle's daughter, Hannah Doyle.

[1:33:24] She works for the federal government in dispersing funding and stuff like that.

[1:33:29] And even the federal government is really interested in sharing, communities sharing

[1:33:36] and municipality sharing and if you're sharing something you're if you if there

[1:33:44] was a grant for to do something for one municipality if two benefit they're to

[1:33:49] got together on it the funding goes up by 10% and could be as high as 90% of

[1:33:54] the cost. There's also a lot of grants that you point to criteria when you apply

[1:33:59] for your grants and if you are sharing with the neighboring municipality you

[1:34:03] get extra points. So she gave some documentation and a website to Doris

[1:34:12] and instructed Doris to give it to Ashley. Ashley hasn't received it yet,

[1:34:16] but on the website it'll have further explanations of what she can do. She's

[1:34:21] worked with Chai Chester in the past. I think it was the project paving the

[1:34:28] road to Nicobar, I'm not sure, but a project that has gone through, she was

[1:34:31] involved and she said at work when she brings up Pontiac like Sheenbrough and

[1:34:36] Chai Chester like she knows the federal government knows where we are and who we

[1:34:39] are and she'd be willing to come in and speak with us and help us to apply same

[1:34:49] as Jim Jennings his daughter was her job with the Biodomarket to apply for

[1:34:59] grants and she's offered to help us too so maybe one of them would be

[1:35:03] interested in the position through municipal cooperation to take on the

[1:35:09] so you need a motion stating that we're interested in continuing these talks yeah

[1:35:18] and if at all possible three things that you would know as a council but you're

[1:35:24] definitely interested in you're kind of just trying to get a feel so there

[1:35:30] was public works, the heritage community, county and administration, transfer sites,

[1:35:36] equipment purchases, and grids.

[1:35:38] Equipment purchases was just what my list would be.

[1:35:43] Public works and accounting would be the ones I would suggest we're putting down through.

[1:35:49] So they just want three.

[1:35:52] Yeah, I think they're just trying to narrow down to the...

[1:35:56] This isn't set in stone, this doesn't mean these are doing anything.

[1:36:00] I think part of this is grants.

[1:36:07] Grants are very time consuming.

[1:36:10] There

[1:36:20] were some comments made at the meeting where it looks like the little municipality

[1:36:24] in trouble is asking for help from the big municipality, but then it was counteracted

[1:36:29] with, well you're a building inspector, just quit and you need one.

[1:36:32] when we needed one yours was too busy to help but now you need one would you like

[1:36:37] ours to us ours to help you you know so you can't go by what's going on today

[1:36:43] you got to think of what could happen and how you need someone's help and if we

[1:36:47] were sharing easier so motion

[1:37:11] the grants and to think about it

[1:37:18] but you know but that could change like you said

[1:37:24] right depending on the situation that we're in. Like why do we have to state

[1:37:32] that even? I think it was just to give her an idea of where to start like she

[1:37:38] wanted to get an idea from all four municipalities to see like what we all

[1:37:41] four are interested in if there's one common denominator in the four I think

[1:37:47] Walton didn't come up with any when I talked to my next she said that they just

[1:37:51] went with the motion and didn't say anything but her counsel she said was

[1:37:55] very divided still

[1:37:59] the everybody's got that in fear of amalgamation but it's

[1:38:04] not it's not the sharing of tax bases or expenses or anything it's just

[1:38:11] It makes sense. I've always thought that it makes sense to share things that make sense.

[1:38:16] Yes. Some things don't. Some things do. It's pretty obvious that every council gets involved

[1:38:21] but nothing will participate or not, then everybody's covered.

[1:38:25] But I find you have to have the mindset going in that you want to find stuff.

[1:38:29] Like with the sweeper, it was like, oh, we need our sweeper, I should help with stuff like that.

[1:38:33] I'm like, no, no, let's give it a try. For one year, share the cost of a sweeper

[1:38:38] see if we can get the work done.

[1:38:43] So deck made motion, all in favor? Yes.

[1:38:50] So do we want to do the equipment purchase, grants?

[1:38:59] Because that's where we are right now.

[1:39:03] In that kind of need. That could change down the road.

[1:39:09] Public works too? You can put forward?

[1:39:14] Because they're looking for a building inspector, so.

[1:39:22] Okay, number nine,

[1:39:27] item eight, Trout Lake Road.

[1:39:31] Did everyone receive a letter from the lawyer?

[1:39:35] Well, not from the lawyer, but from the lawyer.

[1:39:39] The information Ashley received from the lawyer.

[1:39:45] I felt like most of the information was things we already knew.

[1:39:47] does

[1:39:53] anybody got like a different interpretation of how this is worded like

[1:40:01] the part that I get then was mentioned lots of times before if the road had

[1:40:06] always been and was being maintained in 93 by the municipality but it doesn't

[1:40:11] become an antique you know

[1:40:25] Technically, all these years we did need permission from the MRNF to do any work on their road.

[1:40:31] From the MTQ, you mean?

[1:40:33] Either. We need permission from the MRNF or the MTQ, whichever section you're attaching, really.

[1:40:39] Because they didn't really own the MTQ, they owned it in the process.

[1:40:43] Yeah, so whatever the other governing body would be, you technically have to.

[1:40:48] I have put in a request for an access to information directly to the MTQ.

[1:40:54] What's bothering me the most about the situation is that I can't find the paper that lists

[1:41:00] what our colonization roads were before 93 and what they were after.

[1:41:06] I feel like that's a pretty big part of the puzzle.

[1:41:10] Another thing, I wanted to have a list of the roads under municipal jurisdiction.

[1:41:16] So, I do have a list of the roads registered with the province, which took on a week in

[1:41:21] back, but that's not the entire list of what we're responsible for.

[1:41:26] So, I made that request a week and a half ago, having heard anything back, so I'm still

[1:41:31] waiting.

[1:41:36] Can I suggest that you, with the access to information that you asked them for the

[1:41:42] contract that the MTQ had with Sid Hodges from the Italian island in 98, 89 and 90 to grade

[1:41:52] the roads in chamber when they were all MTQ roads.

[1:41:57] The contract they had with Sid Hodges

[1:42:00] to grade the roads in the municipality. What is it for? What does it get you to get it?

[1:42:06] Because you know you've maintained the road. So you already know as a council you have

[1:42:10] maintain that road past 93 so that's how those other portions come back. No but

[1:42:14] before like all the roads in Sheen were MTQ when Sid Hodgins had the contract he

[1:42:20] was working I was grading Fort William Road and Sheen Road and Downey Road all

[1:42:24] for the MTQ and they turned those roads over to the municipality after that so

[1:42:30] we we had the snow plow contract but they had a great MTQ. So I'm wondering if

[1:42:35] the contract would have a list of roads that Hodgins had to grade because

[1:42:39] I don't remember going to Trout Lake with his grader.

[1:42:43] Okay, and that's through the MTQ?

[1:42:45] Yeah.

[1:42:47] With your teacher?

[1:42:49] Yeah, 88, 89, 90.

[1:42:52] I was in the storage team,

[1:42:53] drove the grader two summers,

[1:42:57] whatever.

[1:42:58] And he's just a part of the contractor?

[1:43:00] Yeah.

[1:43:06] Sydney Hodges.

[1:43:07] But you said you did grader before?

[1:43:11] I don't remember going in there with Hodges grader.

[1:43:13] Hodges, but...

[1:43:14] Well, I have it in there after that for the municipality of Fleming's Greater, yeah, yeah, all the time.

[1:43:21] So, yeah, was maintained, always maintained by the municipality or?

[1:43:30] It was. Well, yeah, the logging company did work in the years to where.

[1:43:35] Yeah.

[1:43:36] That was over and above the municipality in general maintenance here.

[1:43:40] And what are the responsibilities of the NTQ?

[1:43:43] you know to come to you in the last since 1993 and say hey why are you spending

[1:43:49] money on this road it doesn't even belong to you that's our road how come they

[1:43:53] never stepped in because if somebody if there's an accident let's say the

[1:44:00] bridge is closed well you're not supposed to be passing on that bridge but if the

[1:44:06] road is open and something happens, who's going to be reliable for that?

[1:44:14] Well, we're trying to figure this out.

[1:44:16] Yeah, that's a very good question.

[1:44:19] Because they've got the documentation when the Middle East was

[1:44:24] junior minister of transport, where they changed the colonization roads

[1:44:28] over to MTQ or municipality, or if it wasn't maintained by anybody,

[1:44:33] It became the property of the MTQ and the land of which it came off.

[1:44:40] And that's a prime example is the Trichester line at the back of my front.

[1:44:49] Municipality and the MTQ before that maintained bearing in line around the corner,

[1:44:53] but where the Trichester line goes straight through was a colonization road.

[1:44:57] And the municipality after that would never

[1:45:00] Common bus to be damned for me because it was supposed to be mine, but now because it landlocked somebody if you look on the new

[1:45:07] Cadastra, it's

[1:45:08] registered to the province of Tibet

[1:45:10] It's like 450 feet of roads

[1:45:16] So it's to get a definite answer who won't who and we

[1:45:21] Mentioned in the past that the to get this information cost us $650

[1:45:26] but the lawyer told us before to have

[1:45:30] notary do a land search on it did they give you a quote? We got the land

[1:45:36] title search that was one of the first documents we had it's very confusing to

[1:45:41] read it's the one that shows like range so yeah Simon and I took the time one

[1:45:47] afternoon it went through and cross-reference go down in and our taxation

[1:45:52] software and it ends up being all those little tiny portions that are ours so

[1:45:59] that was mentioned here tonight to hang on to that so you have a

[1:46:04] part of the road that we own is at the very end and in the province of Quebec they can't landlock you so when you're asking for permission from the MNRF to fix a washout along Trout Lake they can't say no because they're blocking their denying the access

[1:46:26] It's illegal and probably not possible.

[1:46:27] They shouldn't say no.

[1:46:29] That doesn't mean they can't.

[1:46:30] According to that, that would you have picked there before we voted on this number.

[1:46:36] It stated that they will not maintain the road.

[1:46:39] And that's our big concern.

[1:46:41] Who owns the damn road really doesn't make any different law if someone is going to maintain it.

[1:46:45] But they made it clear they won't.

[1:46:47] Users.

[1:46:48] User-maintained.

[1:46:50] That goes back to your question earlier.

[1:46:53] They never said they're going to close the road.

[1:46:55] but like I told you last month the road will close itself in bad weather or trees

[1:47:00] falling down or and they won't fix it because when they did the I forget what

[1:47:09] Europe was there maybe that's where they did the mistakes there no it's not

[1:47:25] Okay, if you take the selenium, they're all cadastridium?

[1:47:31] And it's not like, can we turn the, not the part of,

[1:47:35] not the part of them?

[1:47:37] You mean the other lads?

[1:47:40] Yeah, no, there has to be other lads

[1:47:42] that cadastridium has to be.

[1:47:44] Some roads are cadastridium, some are not.

[1:47:46] Well, okay.

[1:47:47] And Mr. Raymond, we have to keep going here, please.

[1:47:49] Oh, okay.

[1:47:49] Sorry.

[1:47:51] It's, there's lots down there yet.

[1:47:53] So, anyhow, we'll keep gathering information.

[1:47:57] We've got some requests out now, we're waiting for that to come back.

[1:48:01] And if anybody else finds anything, please bring it to our attention.

[1:48:06] They say, I was told by the MNRF that their surveyors are busy until the end of 25,

[1:48:12] but if this happens in the next couple of months, well, it won't be good.

[1:48:17] it.

[1:48:21] So done.

[1:48:27] PPA C grant motion fixed bump in Primbo Hill with the grant instead of original

[1:48:36] request for gravel on Sullivan and ICO Road.

[1:48:45] So they get that tender.

[1:48:52] Ashley went ahead

[1:48:53] and talked to a Milton Kidd, an imitational bid to come and have a look at the Prembo Hill.

[1:49:00] And he's going to agree to do two transitions where those bad heaves are.

[1:49:08] And there's still two weeks before Greenwood Paving shuts down their asphalt plant for the season.

[1:49:14] And he says if we made a motion tonight to go ahead with this, that he could have it done before the asphalt plant closes.

[1:49:20] I went and had a look at it this afternoon and I was talking to Milton later and we were

[1:49:26] in agreement beyond this in order to fix the transition towards the bottom of the hill,

[1:49:35] just below Janet Reddy's driveway.

[1:49:38] The ditches would have to be clean and she has about a 12-inch culvert that's nearly

[1:49:42] full that gets blocked solid right from in there and I would suggest that we change

[1:49:47] that now I'm stepping down as mayor to road committee chairman it changed that to a

[1:49:52] six maybe an 18 or 20-inch culvert that's longer there's a big bell line

[1:50:00] box they're doing but I think they're obsolete now but we should try and get a

[1:50:06] locates done ASAP and if the lad says those lines are dead but I'll rip them

[1:50:11] when they're there that phone box never but he can you can't really fix the

[1:50:16] lower one without lowering the ditches because they filled up so much and to get

[1:50:21] the water to run out of a French drain or a weeping tile that they might put in

[1:50:26] there it has to have a place to go the quote come in at 25995 plus applicable

[1:50:37] taxes and we have the budget for it I don't see the additional work of

[1:50:45] ditching and changing the culvert beam any more than five so that comes out of

[1:50:51] your your members grant that you get 18,000 for when we originally flight

[1:50:54] it was just for gravel I talked to them down at Andre Fortes office and she

[1:50:58] said you're able to switch it to a different project that's fine and he's

[1:51:03] also going to use the gravel that we've already have in our bed and you

[1:51:08] That's the money in the budget.

[1:51:12] And we were supposed to do it this time last year.

[1:51:14] I'm going to do it.

[1:51:15] I told you I was getting through that list.

[1:51:17] It's time to get through the list.

[1:51:19] The time's running out.

[1:51:21] Exactly.

[1:51:24] So you need a motion?

[1:51:25] Motion to accept enough assistance.

[1:51:28] I'll make that one.

[1:51:32] That's just under public works.

[1:51:35] Who's doing the work on the Butler line?

[1:51:38] That's the ATV club.

[1:51:41] Okay, they had asked for Darcy line, but they had never asked for the Butler line.

[1:51:48] They came in and saw us here when Doris was here.

[1:51:50] We could go and we could do brushing and we sat there and were like, just...

[1:51:55] Doris, Doris.

[1:51:58] So that's below?

[1:52:01] It's on this side, yeah.

[1:52:03] Are they doing the whole thing all the way down?

[1:52:05] I don't think so.

[1:52:06] They should be done by now.

[1:52:10] They said widen up the end of it.

[1:52:12] well they're just widening the end they're just why I don't know how far

[1:52:16] they went but they were I guess when you first came in it was I don't know I didn't

[1:52:20] see it yeah you can see it when you drive I don't know I didn't get it to see

[1:52:25] the whole thing I came through a pair of road today and I saw the AKB signs okay

[1:52:32] those little tiny signs like this like there should be bigger signs and they

[1:52:38] should be more prominent of giving direction like this is the government

[1:52:45] would make them do that yeah we have to do the government tell us what to do

[1:52:52] and give us designs I don't have any issue with that the issue I'm having is

[1:52:58] assigned it's so small that and going up to the bottom of the line there's a

[1:53:06] black kind of arrow at the bottom of this little sign showing people where to go.

[1:53:11] You can't tell?

[1:53:13] You can't tell.

[1:53:14] Mike.

[1:53:15] Mike.

[1:53:16] On the corner.

[1:53:17] No, it's true.

[1:53:17] It's true.

[1:53:18] It's true.

[1:53:19] Sorry.

[1:53:21] Better, better seat.

[1:53:24] One thing that I kind of rub me the wrong way was they put up signs too on Sullivan

[1:53:30] Road where you can't go there with a bike anymore.

[1:53:33] Bikes are not allowed there.

[1:53:35] and those signs were never there before.

[1:53:39] According to the law they can use public roads

[1:53:42] to get from one trail to another,

[1:53:45] just so they're signing it that way

[1:53:47] to keep people with passes from going up there,

[1:53:51] but I have to go up there sometimes for my business

[1:53:53] with bike tickets.

[1:53:55] You can't go up legally.

[1:53:56] You can't force them to do that.

[1:53:57] They're talking about going up design.

[1:54:00] You said we're all against it,

[1:54:01] but they're making us put up design.

[1:54:02] that's it that's the new law so you can be to get there I can be fine for using

[1:54:10] the trail without a pass and then to go further up the road to my other farm I

[1:54:14] can be fine for being on the road with a bike I don't know

[1:54:33] It seems to be backwards.

[1:54:39] We have a motion.

[1:54:40] We didn't vote on that.

[1:54:41] No.

[1:54:42] So John raised the motion.

[1:54:44] All in favour?

[1:54:45] Yes.

[1:54:51] Fast.

[1:54:59] Double vocation grant.

[1:55:01] Received confirmation of 11,800.

[1:55:04] Motion to allow the DG to sign all pertaining agreements.

[1:55:15] Rick made the motion.

[1:55:17] All in favour?

[1:55:17] Yes.

[1:55:23] EVL grant, motion that money was spent and authorized for the DG to sign all pertaining documents and receive funding.

[1:55:33] So that's your big grant, your $183,000?

[1:55:37] $183,000.

[1:55:39] Yeah, $183,600.

[1:55:40] Nope.

[1:55:42] And what are your amounts?

[1:55:44] D.

[1:55:45] So that's when you get every year.

[1:55:47] So at the end of the year, you just have to say we didn't spend it on the rents.

[1:55:53] Do you need a motion for that?

[1:55:55] Yes.

[1:55:57] What should the motion be?

[1:55:59] I have a big long government motion. It's just that you spent the money on the rents basically.

[1:56:03] Okay, I'll make that a motion.

[1:56:05] You took the money and actually spent it.

[1:56:09] Dick makes motion. All in favor?

[1:56:11] Yes.

[1:56:12] All right.

[1:56:17] Correspondents, better from a rate clear.

[1:56:31] Mr. Doyle, do you want?

[1:56:32] Yes, so, repair letter number one, Monday, October 28th, 2024.

[1:56:38] Mayor and Councillors, municipality of Sheinbro and Ashley Poirier, Director-General.

[1:56:45] Thank you for the reply from the Director-General, Ashley Poirier,

[1:56:49] dated October 17th, 2024, in regards to my request for dust suppressant on Sullivan Road.

[1:56:56] As you are preparing the municipal budget for 2025, I am requesting that the budget

[1:57:01] include more than two applications of liquid dust suppressant for the year. During the spring and

[1:57:06] summer of 2024, there were two applications of dust suppressant applied to Sullivan Road.

[1:57:12] The two applications, along with the extensive rain during the season,

[1:57:15] did help in controlling the dust better than in previous years,

[1:57:19] but an extra application early in the spring would help in controlling the amount of dust

[1:57:23] earlier in the season. Therefore, I am requesting that the budget includes at least three

[1:57:28] applications of dust suppressant throughout the season, along with a contingency application

[1:57:35] of at least one more in the case that the summer is unusually dry.

[1:57:40] In addition, the application of small amounts of calcium applied by the municipal employees

[1:57:45] periodically is helpful when the dust becomes extensive.

[1:57:49] I thank you in advance for considering this request.

[1:57:52] A reply to this request would be greatly appreciated from Tim Doyle, taxpayer municipality

[1:57:57] Shembro, 7 Sullivan Road.

[1:58:10] Could we discuss this at the budget, too, about tech grant and fixing that permanently?

[1:58:18] Getting that back to where it was?

[1:58:20] We can discuss that when it comes to the budget.

[1:58:24] Yeah.

[1:58:27] So, as far as replying to Timmy's letter, tell him that we'll send one after the budget

[1:58:36] that we plan on paving it, sister?

[1:58:40] Well, I don't know whether we can say that.

[1:58:42] I don't know whether we can do it.

[1:58:44] I think so.

[1:58:46] We'll respond after the budget.

[1:58:47] Consider his request.

[1:58:50] Yeah.

[1:58:54] He'll do our best.

[1:58:55] Yeah.

[1:58:57] Pray for me.

[1:58:58] Won't be any dust.

[1:58:59] Pray for me?

[1:59:00] Yeah.

[1:59:06] Do you have any other facts there, sister?

[1:59:11] Well, it's...

[1:59:12] That's the thing.

[1:59:13] They had it paid before and then we took that away from them and it upsets people

[1:59:17] The taxes don't go down and you've got less than you had before

[1:59:25] But the traffic and because of the big hill and the two intersections that close

[1:59:31] We need to look at fixing that

[1:59:33] Those are a lot of work to be done there

[1:59:34] Just one

[1:59:42] letter?

[1:59:43] Well, so there's more correspondence

[1:59:45] The next is the West Pontiac Connects

[1:59:47] Okay. So I'll read this. So the Pontiac West Southeast branch from 120 King Street at Lilius

[1:59:55] that you met, October 20th, 2024.

[1:59:59] Dear Mayor,

[2:00:01] Thank you for your generous donation last year. This funding was used primarily for wages as the

[2:00:08] driving for success program was ending in March of 2024. Hence, I want to take this opportunity

[2:00:14] to report on the operations of the center. This DFS program was funded by the Fonds québécoise

[2:00:21] initiative social or FQIS that is managed by the CPO. To this date, we have not had

[2:00:29] had a new call for projects. We have been approved for two other funds. The Ministry of Culture

[2:00:34] approved $12,000 for arts and culture projects and $36,000 from the CISO to deliver the éclaireur

[2:00:42] program to provide activities for seniors and youth. We are still waiting for the funds

[2:00:48] for this program. We had started this program in June but had to temporarily suspend it

[2:00:53] until we received funds from the CISO. Considering that every grant proposal requires

[2:00:58] is a contribution from the promoter, West Pontiac Connects must either fundraise or request

[2:01:04] donations to cover the promoter's share. Since 2022, the skill links program is managed

[2:01:09] through Amploi Québec called the GEM program and we have not qualified for this revenue.

[2:01:16] Over the last two years, we have greatly reduced our operating funds and we must replenish

[2:01:20] if you want to continue to apply for grants. We also applied to the Amploi Québec wage

[2:01:26] subsidy program to provide a full-time office clerk.

[2:01:30] We need to supplement the wages as Amplua Québec only pays a minimum wage.

[2:01:35] Amplua Québec contributes approximately $32,000 and we contribute the other $4,000.

[2:01:42] As you can see, our board works hard to obtain funding and create employment in the area.

[2:01:47] Therefore, we would greatly appreciate if you would continue to support West Pontiac

[2:01:52] Connects in the upcoming budget.

[2:01:54] The programs and services offered at West Pontiac Connects serve all the residents of the Upper Pontiac.

[2:02:01] We wish to thank you again and please contact me if you require more info signed Gene O'Brien, President.

[2:02:13] Go ahead, I have a question.

[2:02:16] You donated a thousand in 2023.

[2:02:21] Give you an idea.

[2:02:22] I need clarification that at the municipal cooperation they talked about the West Pontiac.

[2:02:28] something. That kind of fell to the wayside. There's two. There's Pontiac West, which is the

[2:02:35] website that we all work together. That was part of the Inner Municipal. The West Pontiac Connects

[2:02:41] is that building in Chapo that there are two separate entities. It's beside the bank.

[2:02:48] They offer mostly to elderly computer services. Okay, I get that. But which one died during

[2:02:56] COVID that now we made a motion here to put $2,000 a year towards the inter-vinicipal cooperation

[2:03:01] that was going to look after what went by the wayside during COVID. And it was West Pontiac

[2:03:08] something, but not this.

[2:03:12] Yeah, well, there's the two that I recall is this one. And then the

[2:03:17] West like O-U-E-S-T Pontiac connects, which was the, we're not connects, but just West Pontiac

[2:03:24] was the project for the website.

[2:03:29] Well, Shantel Air works for Pontiac Fest, so you'll see their posts all the time?

[2:03:33] Well, the website was one of the things we did with this...

[2:03:38] No, I think that what Shane was just talking about is there was, I think, a Pontiac West

[2:03:49] something from the MRC that did videos for tourism and things like that and we

[2:03:54] just not to support that anymore. But we did agree to budget $2,000 to the

[2:04:02] municipal thing to kind of do that.

[2:04:09] Do you remember making that motion?

[2:04:13] Because we

[2:04:14] used to give 2,000 bucks to this other thing but now we give it to them

[2:04:18] instead. I thought it was the $2,000 to make the movies. Yeah, and then we stopped doing that.

[2:04:25] We stopped doing it. So this Kanax, Pontiac West Kanax is totally different. Yeah. Okay.

[2:04:34] They work with the seniors. Yeah. They offer like photocopying. You can go in and ask them

[2:04:40] anything. Like they'll help you apply for a passport. I'm on that board, didn't you? Yeah.

[2:04:45] Oh, try and find what it is. I'm thinking about it.

[2:04:47] It's very easy to find the tickets and printing.

[2:04:50] Yeah.

[2:04:50] Yeah, it's handy.

[2:04:52] Yeah.

[2:04:52] The question is quite busy.

[2:04:53] It's like the little staples.

[2:04:55] Basically.

[2:04:56] That's good.

[2:04:58] Well, that's something that we have to consider in our budget.

[2:05:01] Yeah.

[2:05:04] Think about that cookie horse shop over there.

[2:05:07] Yeah.

[2:05:08] The safe food, I would say.

[2:05:10] The price is $150.

[2:05:12] That's a 300 a person because they have 10 people.

[2:05:18] I had to use it on the weekend.

[2:05:25] Hadn't somebody there with us heard, he'd be fine.

[2:05:27] Did they come in and check, you know?

[2:05:29] They certainly don't, yeah.

[2:05:30] And he serves sandwiches, yeah.

[2:05:33] And he put all the meat on the sandwiches.

[2:05:37] Yeah, the mom had it out before he came.

[2:05:39] I worked for each of them, sandwiches.

[2:05:42] So was there a budget line for that?

[2:05:45] I hope so.

[2:05:45] This is just a request.

[2:05:47] You can put it in your budget for next year.

[2:05:49] I can let her know once you do it.

[2:05:51] So it'll come out.

[2:05:53] No motion for that?

[2:05:55] Unless you know for sure you want to contribute.

[2:05:57] All of you.

[2:05:58] The way you see it.

[2:06:05] Motion to join the CHIP FM?

[2:06:07] Yeah, so more correspondence from CHIP FM.

[2:06:11] Dear member, we are pleased to send you your renewal

[2:06:14] for CHIP 101.9 for the upcoming year, the cost to be a member will be $50 instead of the

[2:06:20] usual $120.

[2:06:22] We hope this reduction can contribute to community development in the Pontiac.

[2:06:27] As an organization, you can also contribute to the development of Pontiac Community

[2:06:30] Radio while benefiting from CHIP's services and extensive audience.

[2:06:35] Did you know that in 2025, by becoming a member of CHIP, you will benefit from the

[2:06:40] following advantages.

[2:06:41] announcements of your events on the airwaves in our community bulletin board in and as well as on our website,

[2:06:48] posting a job offer on our airwaves in our public notices on the air and online,

[2:06:55] and the possibility of live or pre-recorded interviews.

[2:06:58] Our goal is to demonstrate to our community the importance of your role within the Pontiac.

[2:07:03] The cost of the annual membership is therefore $50 until January 31st, 2026.

[2:07:09] We hope that your organization will join us as a member.

[2:07:13] It will be our great pleasure to help you inform the community about all your events

[2:07:18] and programs throughout our services.

[2:07:21] If you require further information, please do not hesitate to contact us.

[2:07:25] Je nieve gagnant direct et général.

[2:07:28] And so it's the $50 yearly membership request.

[2:07:34] They have a reporter. They have an actual reporter that goes to me and publishes the results of it online.

[2:07:45] You have a lot of coverage of the Incinerator project. You're really good to support, I think.

[2:07:50] Well, we've been a member before and we support local, so at $50 mentorship, that's pretty cheap.

[2:07:57] You give a reason why you went down?

[2:07:59] it's to incentivize us to join and they just say the cost to a member will be

[2:08:09] $50 instead of the annual 120 we hope that this reduction can contribute to

[2:08:14] community development in the Pontiac so basically more money for us to so we

[2:08:20] haven't been doing this at 1.20. We haven't done it for the last couple years. Okay, let's forget it's 5.

[2:08:28] Yeah, I guess. So about for 2.24 or 2.25? Yeah. That's the budget thing we need to do, right?

[2:08:36] A lot of these places are doing their budgets, so they want to get an idea. That's another budget.

[2:08:43] It's about 20 years. Was that their budget meeting last week?

[2:08:48] So, in the budget for donations to non-profits, there's none left?

[2:08:54] Yeah, there's money left.

[2:08:55] There's money left?

[2:08:55] I think there's $500, and then I didn't get the cost of the wreath yet, which won't be $500, obviously.

[2:09:01] So we could do that, too, on last year's budget of donations.

[2:09:05] If you pay for it this year, just consider your budget this year.

[2:09:08] Right. Why don't we do that?

[2:09:09] Do it.

[2:09:10] Can we do it?

[2:09:12] Sure. The money's there.

[2:09:13] Make a motion?

[2:09:14] Yeah, I'll make a motion.

[2:09:15] Yeah, but last year it was 120 and that was...

[2:09:17] We didn't pay anything last year.

[2:09:19] No, so we're not paying for last year then.

[2:09:21] No, we'll just pay in this year for next year.

[2:09:24] Well, that's 50 bucks.

[2:09:26] If we didn't want to pay for last year, it would be 120 bucks.

[2:09:28] No, I'm not saying that.

[2:09:30] Paying for next year is this year.

[2:09:33] We're paying for next year with this year's budget.

[2:09:37] That was the donation life.

[2:09:41] So Rick made the motion.

[2:09:43] All in favor?

[2:09:57] Yeah, it's just the same request. We've done this before for the Shimburu Archive, and

[2:10:04] they received money from, I believe it was Forte for cultural development and projects.

[2:10:13] So the Shimburu Archive is requesting a support letter from the municipality for a cultural

[2:10:17] they will be applying for this month. So it's just a letter saying that we support them in that endeavor.

[2:10:24] Motion to have the DG write a letter of support.

[2:10:28] I'm sure. I want to tell you we've got $500 from the letter of the year.

[2:10:33] Do you want that in writing?

[2:10:42] There's a former member of the government, Sean Conway, and his sister.

[2:10:47] He came up and he's a really friendly girl most of the afternoon, you know.

[2:10:50] He's pretty cool, yeah.

[2:10:51] Yeah, he's very smart.

[2:10:53] He's nice to chat with.

[2:10:54] He was blown away by the building.

[2:10:55] Oh, he didn't want to leave.

[2:10:57] Oh, we made a lunch and everything.

[2:11:01] Karen made the motion. All in favor?

[2:11:03] Yeah.

[2:11:04] Fast.

[2:11:06] And then the last bit of correspondence.

[2:11:09] Letter.

[2:11:09] On the other hand, this is the letter from the RA.

[2:11:12] Tuesday, November 5th, 2024.

[2:11:14] The Sheenborough Recreation Association.

[2:11:16] Jean Gleason, President, R.E. the Memorial Wall, Mayor Ranje and Councilors.

[2:11:23] The Sheenborough Recreation Committee would like to thank you for your generous donation

[2:11:28] that covered the cost of repairing the crumbling mortar on the Memorial Wall in the park.

[2:11:33] Mr. Sullivan honored the quote he gave us last year and completed the repairs in mid-October.

[2:11:38] Your constant and continued support of the Sheenborough Recreation Association's initiatives

[2:11:43] is greatly appreciated. Sincerely signed Gene Gleason.

[2:11:50] Pardon me?

[2:11:51] Which Sullivan?

[2:11:52] Sean.

[2:11:53] Sean, yeah.

[2:11:54] Sean Sullivan.

[2:11:55] Yeah, I doesn't say his first name, but it's Sean Sullivan.

[2:11:58] I got a song there.

[2:12:00] Not from Chapel.

[2:12:03] That has the club?

[2:12:05] It's a Brown Crook.

[2:12:07] No, it's the other Sean Sullivan.

[2:12:09] Oh, yeah.

[2:12:09] Was the other song?

[2:12:11] It's not related to Roe Verde and their stomach.

[2:12:14] Oh yeah, okay.

[2:12:16] It is restoration, yeah.

[2:12:19] Yeah, it was a nurse and then I would get a nurse.

[2:12:23] Cool.

[2:12:24] So we're going to go in camera.

[2:12:26] We'd have to get the public to leave.

[2:12:28] But before you do, is there any questions or comments?

[2:12:33] Thank you for hearing all my questions and concerns this evening.

[2:12:37] I'd like to share my condolences for the passing of our municipal worker Richard, who's a really nice person.

[2:12:47] Everybody here work close with him. I see him on the road every day. Sorry to see him go.

[2:12:53] So I'm really sorry everybody. I just work closer with him than I did.

[2:13:00] Thank you, Greg.

[2:13:02] Yeah, I'll second that one. That's for sure.

[2:13:06] He did a pretty good job changing it, I'll say that.

[2:13:08] It was a little long.

[2:13:12] That was a pretty long agenda.

[2:13:17] At the very end, it would have been nice if we wanted to ask them.

[2:13:21] That would be nice. Something just to talk about.

[2:13:24] Yeah.

[2:13:34] He said he was like me one time, so be careful what you say.

[2:13:42] So we're going in the camera at 8.45, I'm going to stop the recording.

Sheenboro, QC (Canada) meeting

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