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[5:01] yes all right here we go city of Smithville special called council

[5:07] meeting and workshop July 10 2024 notice is hereby given pursuant to Texas open

[5:13] Vernon's annotated civil statute article 6

[5:16] 25217 that the city of Smithville will conduct a special called council meeting

[5:20] and workshop on July 10th 2024 at 5:00 P p.m. in the council chambers of City

[5:28] Hall 317 Main Street Smithville I called a meeting to

[5:33] order we will have a presentation from befco engineer on Wastewater expansion

[5:38] study would you please introduce yourself sure my name is Chad Amel with

[5:42] befco engineering and I have with me uh Paul wood with laen who is also on the

[5:47] project with us

[5:51] welcome let it rip good oh I I'm just making sure

[5:58] you're good I'll start off all right making sure auctioner style okay so

[6:03] first thing I'm gonna do everybody has a packet okay and by and large I'm gonna

[6:08] it's somewhat of an outline somewhat of a summary so some of it I'm have to read

[6:12] because it's more information than I can retain uh some of it will be kind of an

[6:16] overview of it all the exhibits are in front of you uh there are some uh other

[6:21] tables and different things that we'll get to as we go through the the report

[6:25] so um just bear with me so first things first just kind of an overview

[6:30] of the study itself so the first thing we looked at was an evaluation of the

[6:34] existing systems metrics and what I mean by that is for instance the wastewater

[6:38] treatment plant trying to figure out what the average daily flow rate of each

[6:42] plant is today and the sewer strength associated with that flow we also looked

[6:48] at the average daily flow per home or Lue living unit equivalent we'll get

[6:54] into all these more in detail here in a little bit but uh we also looked at a

[6:58] wet weather peaking Factor or otherwise known as simply a peaking Factor then we

[7:03] evaluated the existing infrastructure so the condition physical condition of the

[7:07] wastewater treatment plants and also the collection system any known issues that

[7:12] might be there we also looked at the development of future growth assumptions

[7:17] so how many people per household does Smith they have uh the estimated 30-year

[7:22] growth rate for the city uh created a development map and assumed development

[7:27] density for the uh for the area then we looked at identifying

[7:32] infrastructure system needs to deal with that future growth so evaluated existing

[7:38] lines and collection routes approximated necess necessary line sizes and

[7:43] identified Waste Water treatment plant maintenance needs and expansion needs

[7:47] and then finally we have our recommendations so what we believe might

[7:51] be immediate recommendations as far as maintenance goes and INF infrastructure

[7:56] Improvement triggers and then of course Associated costs with those so we'll

[8:01] Dive Right In so again started off with an evaluation of the existing systems

[8:06] metrics so in trying to determine what the wastewater treatment plants average

[8:12] daily flow rate actually is today we gathered data from 2018 to 2023 and

[8:18] that's daily flow records from City staff that they record on a daily basis

[8:22] we tabulated those then we pulled LC rain gauge data and removed any apparent

[8:29] rain days so if we if we look at uh this these two charts or graphs if you will

[8:36] are uh a representation of all that information so you have the blue lines

[8:42] are your monthly rain totals your red line is what the city staff uh recorded

[8:49] on a daily basis and your black line is what we call the adjusted average so for

[8:56] instance this is this line is one of the Prime examples ex so in May of 21 there

[9:01] was a lot of rain okay so you can see the amount of of rain that was getting

[9:06] into the system so we're trying to pull that out to find out what really is the

[9:11] average of the Wastewater coming in not just storm sewer or storm water excuse

[9:15] me and that's what the black line represents so overall what we tried to

[9:21] do then is there was some inconsistencies with gazoline we had

[9:25] brought that to the attention of the city uh back what was that uh 21 Robert

[9:30] 22 when we did uh some other work and what I think the city went and

[9:35] calibrated some of their equipment and found that we got some really good data

[9:39] now the last three years so we used that data to come up with an actual uh

[9:47] average so the results is gazley wastewater treatment plant is around

[9:52] about 162,000 gallons per day and Willow is 141,000 gallons per day

[10:00] so that was the flow component we also need to figure out what the strength of

[10:04] the sewage coming into the plant or the plants are so there was sampling done in

[10:09] front of each uh influent coming into each plant and those things were were

[10:14] measured as well as looking at some of the historical records associated with

[10:18] that and that's both of these things are critical in determining the

[10:22] effectiveness of the plants how they operate um and relative to their permit

[10:28] so we'll dive into that that a little bit

[10:31] later so then we also looked at the average daily flow per home or living

[10:36] unit equivalent so the definition of a living unit equivalent is defined as the

[10:40] typical sanitary sewer flow that comes from one single family home and a

[10:45] typical subdivision it's an easy way to produce

[10:48] an equivalency amongst land uses so one house is one Lue okay uh think about the

[10:54] Comfort Cafe here in town equivalency for them would be five Lu

[10:59] okay and we looked at Water records to to determine that the sparkling clean

[11:04] car wash 17 Lue okay so it's like there's 17 houses sitting on that lot

[11:10] and then the tower's nursing home would be 31 Lue okay so all these things

[11:16] become critical we add those Lue together and it helps us correlate

[11:19] potential demand of a development and and then turn around and analyze the

[11:24] capital Improvement needs or or the infrastructure needs that might be there

[11:29] to convey that type of flow and then of course it can actually

[11:33] let you go backwards too right we had to do this infrastructure for this

[11:38] development therefore that development caused us this type of economic impact

[11:42] right Financial

[11:47] impact so that we took uh so in order to let's

[11:51] see so now we we're drilling down into figuring out what the city's Lue is what

[11:57] that number is and that number is is a gallons per day per Lu so that's what

[12:02] we're trying to figure out so we used we had all this data already set up we

[12:06] started we then took the city's water meters which are uh put in because of

[12:10] the meter reading system that's here those are Geor referenced okay so we can

[12:15] look at GIS and determine which connections are in which sewershed of

[12:20] each plant okay we then took the high water users for instance the towers

[12:26] nursing home or the sparkling clean car wash and we take their flow out of the

[12:31] plant okay because we're really trying to boil it Down to What A House Is Not

[12:35] What a commercial property is so we take those out both from the flow standpoint

[12:40] and also the connection standpoint and then you divide right take your what

[12:44] water is left by the number of Lue that's left or the number of connections

[12:48] that are left and you come up with an Lue what we found was an average roughly

[12:55] between the two plants of about 135 gallons per day per Lue now we don't

[13:00] want to go just with that number right because that's we want to be a little

[13:03] bit more conservative with that we don't want to be trying to hit it right on the

[13:06] nails so after some discussion with the city we elected to go with 185 gallons

[13:12] per day per Lue now as far as that 135 number befco

[13:18] has done some other work with other municipalities and have found that that

[13:23] 135 number plus or minus is about what we find the water typical water usage of

[13:28] a house so if you look look at your water usage over a month and divide your

[13:31] days you're liable to find that you're somewhere in that neck of the woods

[13:35] right now maybe you have irrigation so that might complicate things but because

[13:39] obviously that's not going down the sewer

[13:42] system to further justify that metric of 185 we also looked at tcq and although

[13:49] tcq doesn't give you an exact number what they do tell you is that the

[13:53] typical person uses about 75 to 100 gallons per day

[14:01] the US Census Bureau says that Smithville has about 2.5 persons per

[14:05] household so if you do that math you're looking at somewhere between 187.5 to

[14:10] 200 gallons 250 gallons per day per connection so we're kind of right there

[14:15] at the bottom of that range and that's a good thing because to be honest some of

[14:18] TC Q's numbers are a little Antiquated they're a little slow to move with you

[14:22] know low FL low volume toilets and different things that have have come

[14:26] about so we don't use as much water as we used to

[14:31] okay so next thing was peaking Factor so in a peaking factor is when you have uh

[14:36] basically two different things are occurring everybody's or well a number

[14:39] of things can happen to create a peaking factor it's raining outside okay

[14:44] unfortunately there's holes in our sewer lines water gets into them so that's a

[14:48] bad thing but it happens okay every Community you're not special in that

[14:52] sense then you're at home maybe in the evening you're cooking supper you got

[14:56] the kiddos taking a shower you're washing clothes right and at the same

[15:00] time there's another family out eating at the restaurant and they're washing

[15:03] dishes so you have all these different things happening at the same time and

[15:06] that can create a peak right so you have es and flows on a daily basis you have

[15:12] more flow at those Peaks everybody 10: a.m. in the morning everybody's at work

[15:16] not eating at restaurants nobody's washing clothes to speak of so you kind

[15:19] of get the low right so we're looking at the peak because at the end of the day

[15:23] our infrastructure has to be able to convey those

[15:26] Peaks ultimately what we looked and the other thing look at is we have all this

[15:30] data right through the plants so we can look at these Peaks for instance right

[15:35] here right or right here so the plant has to be able to also handle those

[15:40] Peaks so what we found was roughly kind of the worst case situation

[15:46] would be a peaking factor of four so now you have 135 gallon excuse

[15:52] me 185 gallons per day per connection times four is what that one house in

[15:57] theory could produce

[16:04] okay all right so next we looked at the existing infrastructure okay so U

[16:12] obviously the one of the biggest components is your wasar treatment plant

[16:15] that's where everything has to go at the end of the day so L was part of bef Go's

[16:20] team to evaluate each plant uh the components the setup identify choke

[16:25] points any limitations identify maintenance repairs and up great

[16:29] requirements so uh with that I want to hand it over to Paul and let him go

[16:33] through

[16:36] those um good evening um I'm Paul wood with with L um so we looked at the uh

[16:43] the two uh wastewater treatment plants the willow plant the gazley plant and

[16:47] the machuka lift station um the willow plant um we have both Aerials

[16:56] here that's all right ah I don't know how you're set up okay

[17:02] so uh Willow plants uh across freeway um is the newer plant and it was

[17:07] constructed in 98 and the gazley plants your your older plant here in town and

[17:13] it was constructed in uh the mid-70s and it was rehabbed at some point in time

[17:18] we're not sure when but when you go look at it uh you can tell that there's uh um

[17:24] some variation uh piping that was was changed um at some point in time

[17:29] um but uh that's about where we are on those um so the when I don't really want

[17:36] to go into depth on this stuff because because I really like wastewater

[17:39] treatment plants and I know everybody else you know is I'm I'm talking words

[17:44] you know but uh basically what's going on with a waste water treatment plant is

[17:48] youve just got several components in it that that treat the water so the first

[17:50] thing you've got is a lift station lifts the water up into the plant you've got

[17:54] the irration basins that's basically where you're uh doing the biological

[17:57] treatment you're putting air into the base Basin and and and uh degrading the

[18:01] B you got a clarifier where you separate the bugs from the water the water the

[18:06] clarified water goes to a chlorination Basin and then out the effluent the bugs

[18:10] that are settled go to uh a a digestor and then to your uh U Sledge drawing

[18:17] basins so when he talks about uh the um looking at the components and looking

[18:22] for these choke points um ideally all those pieces the irration basins the

[18:27] clarifiers the chlorination basins are all sized for the same same amount um of

[18:32] of flow and is what we're talking about on there um what we found in the let me

[18:38] kind of go uh by plant here so that we're talking the same same language Al

[18:43] on the willow plant that that actually looked to be the case so Willows uh uh

[18:48] is actually like I said was a neur plant um and is actually in relatively decent

[18:54] sh shape good shape even though it's you know getting on to be almost a um 30

[18:59] years old um it's it's in it's in relatively decent shape but it does need

[19:03] some does need a little love and attention um uh going through it uh as

[19:10] we say the air Iration basins have uh uh enough capacity but there's some piping

[19:15] issues where a lot of things are rusting out right now and like I say so this is

[19:19] time to start going in and looking at maintenance uh the blowers

[19:24] [Music] um the way that the load is is is

[19:28] calculated on this plant um Engineers are extremely conservative at all times

[19:33] um so if you were to take the worst case situation basically all your blowers

[19:37] would have to be running um at the same time in order to to meet the air demands

[19:42] and Engineers don't like that Engineers want you to have a spare blower if

[19:45] something goes wrong um that's probably I won't say it's outside of the realm a

[19:50] possibilities happen because because it can and that's why we're engineers and

[19:53] we're conservative but uh so we would recommend that you kind of resize the

[19:57] blowers it's like I say they're probably hit their you know their 20-year

[20:00] lifespan and Beyond um it's time to start looking at at that and if you do

[20:05] let's look at resizing the blowers and making it so you have a fourth blower uh

[20:09] available for for a spare um clarifier again it's it size to the

[20:16] right size um LT station it looked to be in pretty good shape uh for health and

[20:21] safety You' probably want to put in fall protection uh in the lift station

[20:27] um the eone station again uh looks like it's it's in decent shape uh there's

[20:33] there's some questions about uh the retrieval equipment and whatnot for the

[20:36] E probably about that and the Sledge

[20:41] drawing beds they The Operators are sorry

[20:48] died I can I can

[20:53] yell okay good enough um they'll pick me up up on one with the other mics um the

[21:01] uh Sledge drawing bids there's an operational problem with how the design

[21:05] was originally done so the operators having a problem actually uh doing their

[21:10] jobs in those and so the Sledge uh doesn't come off the walls the way they

[21:15] have to go in there with a thank you um uh with their their front end loader and

[21:20] so uh that needs to kind of be be fixed um so all in all like I say there's

[21:26] there's probably more in depth than than I've given you but gazley is in decent

[21:30] shape needs some needs a little TLC though go ahead will will I'm sorry my

[21:35] bad I I was reading the next one in it you say recommend the either a

[21:40] filtering dumpster or install a screw press which would you which would you

[21:45] think would be best you're the expert I would say go

[21:50] rent a filtering dumpster and see how well it works uh and then if if okay if

[21:55] it if it if it works well it's a it a cheaper option the the the screw press

[22:01] is a more expensive option but it's a it's it's a good option too but the the

[22:05] filtering dumpster is a uh a good method as long as it works with the sledge that

[22:11] you're generating so they can be rented they can be rented okay

[22:15] yeah um Harwell could probably point you to the right

[22:20] people um Dragon systems probably has them um so gazley plant um gazley plant

[22:27] was like I said constructed in the 70s did some work uh there um uh Chad says

[22:33] that you know the original plant was that it replaced um was probably built

[22:36] in the 50s and there's probably some pieces there that that are um um from

[22:40] the original plant um gazley needs not just a little love and attention it

[22:46] needs a it needs a whole lot of love and attention um the the lift station

[22:53] is nonfunctional basically it's it's it's a yeah it's it's it's the pumps are

[23:00] outside of it and it's and it's and it's in in very poor shape um oh for the uh

[23:08] common people out here and anybody new can you explain what a lift station does

[23:11] sure lift station is exactly that it basically takes the sewage from the

[23:14] sewers and lifts it up into the plant and so uh has some pumps on it and uh um

[23:21] when it gets to a certain level pumps turn on pumps it down lifts it up into

[23:25] the into the treatment plant and it flows by gravity down we like to we like

[23:28] to use gravity whenever we can but

[23:33] exactly

[23:38] um okay so so the sizing on this plant was a little difficult also uh the so we

[23:45] talked about flow and and the pieces being built so that the the flow can

[23:49] handle all the pieces and you're and you're okay um you also have what they

[23:54] call a load and the load is basically the concentration of your waist times

[23:58] the flow rate and it basically in equates to a pounds of of bod or ammonia

[24:03] that you're that you're having to treat um because there are you have industrial

[24:07] users on this on this plant um there are implications of whether or not the load

[24:13] that the plant is treating is actually um the normal assumed load that TCEQ

[24:19] uses that they would assume for a normal U Municipal type seage treatment plant

[24:24] um and the flow that it gets um the data we got

[24:29] was inconsistent with what the operators were telling us and uh from from what we

[24:36] were seeing and whatnot we think that the load may be higher we strongly

[24:40] recommend that you do a a more detailed um

[24:46] uh study on on the uh the concentration lows and flows going into that plant um

[24:53] because it's hard to tell otherwise what's actually going on um and so we've

[24:57] made some assump ions and whatnot and uh they're there's some implications on

[25:04] that um the other thing about gazley uh that is the the point we're trying to

[25:10] make here on on number one where Iration Basin is potentially under siiz to meet

[25:15] the permitted threshold so um if the loads are actually higher

[25:21] than the the normal assume loads for uh the the strength of waste that the TCEQ

[25:28] assumes U those variation basins may be too small um if with the the study

[25:33] proves that the actual concentrations are okay you're you're fine um the the

[25:41] other point in in gazley is that the units are not consistent with flow okay

[25:46] that that plant is permitted at a at a 0. five uh million gallons per day and

[25:52] um the AR the clarifier excuse me that uh we did the calculations for it and

[25:57] there's an suent overflow rate that you have on clarifiers of a gallon per day

[26:01] per square foot that is not what the clarifier is presently sized at and so

[26:07] it is it is dramatically less than than that the

[26:12] clar yeah um so it's go ahead further again for the simple people like me as

[26:20] they work together you've got the lift station The Pump Station the clarifier

[26:24] the Sledge dry bed and all that stuff just can like more time 15 seconds can

[26:27] you just this is how this all comes together sure

[26:31] so basically what you got is the lift station

[26:34] is here and it pumps over into the irration Basin on this side of the uh of

[26:40] the plant this is the irration Basin and it comes over here it flows into the

[26:45] clarifier so the Iration Basin it's all mixed all the the bugs the the bacteria

[26:49] that are actually doing the degradation with the air of the bod that's coming

[26:53] into the plant um is all mixed and and fairly uniform in this Basin it then

[26:58] flows over into the center ring and uh um that's the clarifier and so clarifier

[27:03] does exactly that it clarifies water from the solids by gravity so the the

[27:08] solids fall the liquid stays on top and then it overflows and goes into the

[27:13] chlorination chamber which is right here and then this flows to the outfall into

[27:19] the the ditch um the sludge from the clarifier comes over into this Basin

[27:24] this is a digestor it's held there for a certain amount of time and then it flows

[27:29] in a liquid state into the Sledge drying beds and uh just evaporation uh you wind

[27:35] up with dry solid thank you that is waste water

[27:41] 101 I have a question certain Robert do we own any extra land around that uh or

[27:48] is there room for like if we needed bigger beds things could they be put on

[27:52] that property

[27:56] or so that all all answered that in part because the yellow line that you see

[28:01] that is the boundary of of the property that the city owns oh thank you I didn't

[28:05] okay thank you very much for that so the but the problem that's that's actually

[28:11] the creek basically right right above right above the big tree that you see

[28:15] you know that's basically the creek there so the room you see is the room

[28:17] that's been cleared and and you don't have all of that because TCEQ requires

[28:22] that you have a 100 foot 150 foot buffer zone inside the property limits or you

[28:28] can get easement so you could get an easement from I assume this is uh

[28:33] property right Tex that's text. freeway yeah Highway whatever okay so so you

[28:40] that you they're not going to build houses on this so you basically

[28:44] can get an easement so that they that is included in the 150 foot you can you can

[28:49] argue that um but to your point you could also do some rearranging with the

[28:53] drying beds going to a filter press get rid of the animal shelter exactly there

[28:58] are there are ways to do what we need to do there's room to expand had to yeah

[29:02] and there's and there's technology it gets as you try to squeeze as you tries

[29:07] to squeeze you know um um my boss had a very uh colorful vernacular which I

[29:13] won't I won't tell you some something about a certain substance in a five

[29:17] pound sack um but uh um when you try to squeeze things into uh onto small spaces

[29:24] it gets gets more expensive we can go up too can we not no

[29:28] difficult yes the uh the the Chinese do that in Singapore they've got a they've

[29:33] got a multi-level wastewater treatment plant but uh it gets really expensive

[29:37] well and also at American Airlines we had one and we were up two levels

[29:42] because we didn't have any way to go yeah easy to do with a sledge drawing

[29:47] and stuff like that with a waste with the wastewater treatment the the Iration

[29:51] Basin the clarifiers gets gets a lot more difficult and we'll get into the a

[29:55] little later we'll get into kind of where you guys stand with the you know

[30:00] how much it has available in it left and what a kind of a growth might lead to

[30:05] but you're asking really good questions I appreciate that I really

[30:11] like can I ask a question certainly so given the

[30:16] undersized uh some the undersizing and looking like uh there are issues with uh

[30:23] its operation are we then now non-compliant with tcq as of today you

[30:29] are meeting your discharge parameters which is what they really

[30:34] care about okay now there's recordkeeping stuff and and stuff like

[30:38] that tcq also looks at so you've got to be careful with but you know what

[30:42] they're really looking at is are you under your discharge limits So currently

[30:47] you're not running at the the the there's two paramet two there's

[30:52] two flow criteria that they that when when they hit that's when they start

[30:56] looking at things Okay so it's it's 70% and uh 95% of your

[31:04] permitted flow capacity so your primitive flow capacity is half a

[31:08] million gallons a day so um your 70% is do the math for me real quick

[31:13] 3535 so. 35 million gallons per day and you're at 0.16 so you're about 50% of

[31:20] your 75% capacity or 45% capacity right now something in that range 35% I I want

[31:26] to also add that there's some things that have changed you know we know that

[31:30] the the uh Food Locker plant does increase the concentration there's been

[31:35] a lot of movement at B parents and I'm not suggesting that they're the culprit

[31:39] but it's something we need to look into because if that's the source they need

[31:43] to do some pre-treatment on site that they haven't been permitted for so just

[31:47] want to point that out too which you know because as Paul is saying there's

[31:51] there's two components right there's flow and there's strength and right now

[31:54] the plant was developed for a municipal strength and what we're seeing is

[31:57] something much higher than that and that's why the city has a pre-treatment

[32:01] ordinance in place already it just needs potentially to be enforced to get those

[32:06] flows back down to what would be considered normal if you will for for

[32:10] municipal plant so that your flow which you're underneath your permit right no

[32:14] problems there but your concentrations may get so high that you may start

[32:18] busting some of the other parts the of the permit so you know enforcement may

[32:23] be more crucial than anything at this point so Robert as that the ordinance

[32:28] requires pre-treatment at certain levels if you have an industrial

[32:32] activity that that meets the requirements yes at the time that bone

[32:36] Spirits initially came here they didn't have a lot of processing going on

[32:39] distill distillation that may have changed again I am not saying it's bone

[32:43] spirit is the C I won't even say the names just place a and place B yeah so

[32:47] yes we do have a pre-treatment standard so we could take their numbers

[32:51] their contribution out if we required them to well we would have to go

[32:55] investigate what's going on there and what kind of what they're putting down

[32:59] the drain how do yeah how do you

[33:03] determine sample so the best way would yeah go Upstream Downstream around them

[33:09] right uh whoever they may be and then you can test those samples to see if if

[33:13] that is the concentration or you know potentially a

[33:17] culprit how extensive of a change would have to happen for them to treat there

[33:25] before sending it into our sewer do you have any idea I have no idea it all

[33:28] depends on the concentration of what they're doing upstream and downstream

[33:32] we' have to identify that and then for all the little things that they test for

[33:36] you got to come within under the parameters so it's something to to look

[33:41] into going forward they just have to neutralize the the levels of what

[33:45] they're doing so it would be a chemical treatment for

[33:49] them or something simp yeah exactly so so that's one component I'm sure Paul

[33:53] will get back to it but you know the bigger so that's that's one issue right

[33:57] that's really dealing with the airation and and part of the plant the other one

[34:02] that that's really not an easy fix not saying that that necessarily is an easy

[34:06] fix but the one that's much more difficult is the simple fact that the

[34:10] clarifier isn't big enough right the permit you know the original permit said

[34:13] it was permited for a half a million gallons but you know based on the actual

[34:18] construction what had been constructed with today's math it's basically half of

[34:23] that so and there's there's only one way to get around that and that's build

[34:26] another one so so U we'll we'll again I'll dive into some of the metrics on

[34:31] how to I'm basically trying to get around that for the time being uh but

[34:35] that's that's the there's two issues right so one is the sewer strength the

[34:39] other is simply you're at a limit basically that you know 243,000 gallons

[34:45] per day is what the even though that's not what the permit

[34:49] say so before we get to clarifier the uh the the blower situation of the plant um

[34:55] is uh um you I I don't know if this has been remedied

[34:59] but the uh there was only one blower in operation when we we visited the plant

[35:03] um and uh it's basically equipped as supposed to have two blowers and that's

[35:09] not an acceptable means of operation because if the existing blower goes out

[35:15] you're up the creek without that a paddle basically Parts have been ordered

[35:19] to fix the pump

[35:25] okay okay um

[35:30] and the other situation on the blowers is the piping there's there's

[35:33] significant leaks uh on the uh the the Iration piping um and so what you're

[35:40] actually putting out with the blowers whether that's actually getting into the

[35:43] plant or not is is another question so the the the like like I said this plant

[35:48] needs quite a bit of of uh of TLC um clarifiers basically we've just

[35:54] hit the uh uh clarifiers uh from Chad the list station again um it needs to be

[36:02] totally rehabilitated um coring

[36:08] contact the chlorine contact Basin well when you say choke point

[36:14] that's like saying this is the weakest leak leak in the chain and it it's

[36:18] causes a maximization of the entire system

[36:23] correct okay so the collection system um you want me to

[36:28] go

[36:31] ahead all right so uh then we also looked at other parts of the system

[36:36] right obviously these are the two treatment plants and we've heard about

[36:40] those so U this is a map that shows basically the entire City's sanitary

[36:46] sewer system um obviously it's going to be hard for everyone to read but it's

[36:51] I'll give you the kind of synopsis of what's going on here basically these

[36:54] black bubbles uh tell us um based on records that befco has or the city has

[37:00] given to befco um the age of some of the infrastructure so like all this area out

[37:06] here was built in 1998 or 1995 some of this out here was built more recently

[37:11] 2018 for instance for Hera um that sort of thing and then we also have call outs

[37:16] for each list station in town and if we do know the date in which those U list

[37:21] stations were either built or rehab rehabilitated we have those listed uh

[37:26] two uh lift stations in particular of note

[37:30] would be the machuka lift station it needs effectively to be rehabilitated or

[37:35] or redone itself um I think the last time it was touched was in 2006 and that

[37:43] was kind of a just a pump change I believe at that time so it needs a

[37:47] little bit more love simply put um during my process of of research and

[37:52] doing everything I did I actually had put boots on the grounds here at the

[37:55] fauler lift station all I about is it was built prior to 1995 I Don't Know

[38:00] Jack if you have any idea but I I couldn't find

[38:04] anything yeah so before 82 we know at least so um

[38:10] and and having put my head literally down the wetwell I can say that it's in

[38:14] tcq violation now if tcq were to find it as a different matter but basically the

[38:18] way it's operating is not up to current standards it may have been at the time I

[38:23] don't know because I don't know when it was built

[38:29] okay so the other thing that we did with this map is we actually shared this

[38:33] obviously the city shared a lot of this information with us we turned around and

[38:37] over the years befco has built this map out we turned around and gave it back to

[38:40] the city and had the the staffers tell us hey where are other areas in town

[38:45] that need some love right so U you know there's and it's hard again to see but

[38:50] there are areas that have been boxed in that show areas that are uh they've had

[38:55] to make frequent repairs so these would be gravity lines likely clay that are

[39:01] collapsing just because of their their age more or less so uh most

[39:08] of most of the sewer system in central Smithville is probably clay and and aged

[39:15] so um you know a CIP program to slowly replace those would be would be

[39:23] recommended Okay so

[39:28] now that we have basically the idea of what's going on with the system right we

[39:32] we know what our baselines are what's going on with the treatment plants where

[39:36] they are uh we have understanding of of kind of the existing system we know what

[39:41] the flow rates are we've made an assumption now of what the Lue number is

[39:47] now we start looking into the future right so now we want to uh try to build

[39:52] out growth-wise you know how fast is Smith Bill going to grow uh which is

[39:57] obviously a guessing game but we try to make it an educated one right um also

[40:03] we'll look at what areas will be developing or at least have been assumed

[40:07] to develop so first and foremost we looked

[40:11] at persons per household I mentioned this earlier but according to the US

[40:14] citizens Bureau city of Smithville has approximately 2.5 persons per household

[40:18] and that becomes important when we're talking about growth rate because we're

[40:22] growing the population not Lue we can obviously turn the population into Lu

[40:26] but we're thinking about population so I'll do this

[40:32] first so next we looked at estimating a 30-year growth rate so we looked at a

[40:37] number of sources here we looked at historical and then of course

[40:41] projections and uh one of the references or things we looked at was the Texas com

[40:46] controller's office historical growth and for the capital region of which

[40:50] Smithville is part of uh Bastrop County uh is the fastest or the capital region

[40:56] excuse me is the fastest growing region in the state and I don't think that

[40:59] surprises anyone that's sitting in this room from 2010 to 2019 the area grew

[41:06] 28.5% while the rest of the state grew 15.3 according to the US Census Bureau

[41:12] from 20 from 2000 to 2010 Bastrop County grew

[41:18] 28.5% and from 2010 to 2020 31.1% meanwhile specifically Smithville

[41:26] 22,000 2010 negative .7% okay so really no growth during that

[41:32] 10year span however the last 10 years 20110 to 2020

[41:39] 2.8% so that's kind of the history right so looking forward the Texas demographic

[41:45] Center which is part of the state data center which is part of the US Census

[41:48] Bureau we love layers uh projects Bastrop County to

[41:53] grow by 90% by 2050

[41:59] 90% that's Bastrop County that's an average annual growth rate of

[42:04] 2.2% meanwhile the Texas water development board projects Bastrop

[42:08] County to grow by 128% by 2050 and that's an annual growth

[42:14] rate of 2.8% so being that Texas water

[42:20] development board was the most aggressive growth rate that is the

[42:23] growth rate that we assumed in our study so

[42:27] what does that equate to in actual

[42:33] numbers that's a lot of numbers that's what I do all right so by 2030 the

[42:40] population of Smith bill would then equate to

[42:44] 5,169 2040 6,813 and by 2055 which is the limit of

[42:50] what we've kind of looked at 10,310 people okay

[42:59] 10,310 that would be till 2055 so that's what yeah at a 2 point

[43:07] 2.8%

[43:16] 2.8 right so in essence what this overall spreadsheet does okay there's a

[43:23] number of uh projections okay this this uh projects both both population and the

[43:28] growth of the the sewer flow okay what are you using as base 4600 for current

[43:34] uh for 2023 I have 4,261 for 2024 4380 I think it starts at

[43:41] 2023 though according to US Census Bureau and you do have a if you have

[43:46] your glasses onor statement of fact that number has been revised downward by um

[43:52] the Census Bureau to 4,067 that's what I wanted to clarify

[43:57] because people look at the population city limit sign and see 4600 so and I

[44:01] pulled that from the US Census Bureau at you know at the time that I pulled it

[44:05] out anyway so Robert you're we're using 4,060 uh well you're going with a more

[44:10] conservative increased number right now but it's actually 467 I did send that

[44:14] out to all the council and and all the people that needed it about four months

[44:17] ago because they sent me an adjusted number I've asked tex. please change the

[44:22] sign hasn't happened yet

[44:30] okay so I'm not going to dive fully into all

[44:34] these numbers that would be wild but basically I'm G try to give you a

[44:37] synopsis of basically I've set up four different scenarios here okay scenario

[44:42] one was assuming the current collection system setup the growth rate of 2.8% and

[44:49] the wastewater treatment plant permit limits that's an important thing to note

[44:53] permit limits right we already know that gazley isn't a .5 MGD work working plan

[44:57] it's a 243 working plan so effectively I'm going to ignore this one okay

[45:04] because it's really not reality okay it was when I started my study until Paul

[45:08] told me otherwise uh the other thing I also

[45:11] assumed for these first three scenarios is that 33% of the flow of developed

[45:17] flow the future flow is going to come to gazley whereas 67% goes out to Willow

[45:23] okay I'll explain more as to why I was thinking those things or made those

[45:27] assumptions uh later when I show you kind of the collection system route but

[45:32] either way 33% is what I assumed to come to gazley 67 to Willow the other thing

[45:38] that I assumed based on discussions with Robert he's had a number of developers

[45:43] reach out to him and express interest in developing here

[45:47] right roughly those numbers are about 650 Lue of interest that they're have

[45:53] shown interest to maybe plop those down as soon as they can that'd be

[45:58] accurate so what I did is because you know the

[46:03] 2.8% growth rate sounds great right it's a nice round number that I can use and

[46:09] spread out but if you if you think about that more logically you know what's 2.8%

[46:14] growth look like for Smithville in one year I can tell you it's only it's 119

[46:20] folks from 2023 to 2024 so but it it's until you get a bigger number right you

[46:26] think think about Austin you think about Houston if they were to plop down a a

[46:30] thousand lot subdivision right in one of those cities that would be a blip on

[46:35] their radar right but you throw down a 300 lot subdivision in Smithville at 2.5

[46:41] persons per household I just blew that number away right so what I wanted to do

[46:45] is try to be a little bit more realistic about what might be coming all you have

[46:48] to do is look at your neighbor to the north right and bass drop and what's

[46:51] happened there right they're really expanding quickly and I could elaborate

[46:55] on that more in a might later but so anyway what I did is I took those

[46:59] 650 Lu and I spread them out over five years okay it's going to take him some

[47:03] time to develop those lots if even if they wanted to so I put those in and it

[47:08] kind of accelerated the path is really what I'm trying to do trying to give you

[47:11] worst case scenario ultimately from there for those that

[47:16] have the handout or or can possibly read it's pretty blurry up there it's these

[47:21] small this box right here that's really the most important don't get lost in the

[47:25] very long one it's this small box and what this box does is it tells you about

[47:30] the 70 uh the 75 and 90% rules that that Paul alluded to earlier and that is when

[47:37] you have to start designing a plant and when you have to start constructing a

[47:41] plant okay so each one of these scenarios kind of gives a a different

[47:46] perspective of when you might have to expend that money right that's what

[47:51] we're getting down to so under the guise of leaving the development or the the

[47:56] infrastructure as it stands today you'd be looking at trying to expand gazley or

[48:02] start designing to expand gazley in 2030 it's not that far away is it you'd

[48:09] be looking at trying to build it in 20 in 2039 so there there's a g bit of Gap

[48:14] in there when you think about the growth rate whereas Willow you're looking at

[48:18] 2028 you'd start designing a plant in 2030 building it right that's not that

[48:26] many that many years away so we want to look at another

[48:30] situation years ago when Willow was built machuka lift station U which takes

[48:36] in essence about a third of Smithville if you will kind of cut out the middle

[48:40] of Smithville and that's what the machuka lift station takes care of it

[48:45] used to pump to gazley okay Willow was having some operational issues because

[48:49] of the amount of flow it didn't have and you have to have a certain amount of

[48:53] flow to actually get those plants to function properly so the decis ision was

[48:57] made to take machuka lift station and actually switch it and take it over to

[49:01] Willow instead okay so that gave Willow more flow it operated easier it was much

[49:07] easier on the operators at the same time naturally it took flow off of gazley

[49:11] right at the start of this study what we assumed was that hey we don't think

[49:17] gazley is going to get much development to it hence the 33% right maybe we

[49:22] should switch machuka back over there right and that would free up Willow

[49:27] which we expect to get more flow and quicker well the problem is is based on

[49:32] the fact that we now know that the clarifier is under sized it does not

[49:35] have that 0.5 MGD if I switch it back what I find is immediately we could Buzz

[49:42] permit so I can't switch it back that's what this scenario number three

[49:46] was so that leads us to the final scenario scenario number four and that

[49:50] is I'm leaving machuka pumping over to Willow I am instead of taking 33% of the

[49:57] new flow over to gazley I'm only going to take 10% which is to say I'm guessing

[50:03] that Smith Bill proper so anything that might redevelop in the old part of

[50:07] Smithville anything south of the river okay uh would develop redevelop we can

[50:13] handle more flow right but I'm only taking a growth rate of 10% is what I'm

[50:17] assuming the rest the 90% of our growth rate that we projecting would go out to

[50:22] the willow wastewater treatment plant so with those assumptions in place

[50:27] now you're looking at gazley making it roughly till 2041 before you're having

[50:32] to do any type of design right so now we've we put some legs underneath her

[50:36] let her run out for a little bit longer at the same time Willow which we

[50:42] are you going to have to be looking at soon anyway we knew that we're looking

[50:48] at starting a design in 2028 and Construction in

[50:53] 2030 okay

[50:58] how long would it take once you start a construction to be running product

[51:02] through it two years so basically you're working

[51:07] on design probably with that TI of scenario if you do have people that are

[51:11] lined up if you will to develop you're potentially having to throttle them to

[51:15] make sure you get the plants in operation yeah so if you add a a delay

[51:19] Factor nothing cost what you say it will and gets delivered when you say it will

[51:24] um you add a year you think

[51:30] yeah just for probably years is yeah I was gonna say I

[51:35] thought that was pretty conservative I was gonna say 18 months so 18 is the

[51:44] fast so all we've got left is scenario one and two well not just really

[51:49] scenario well no we've already scenario one's pretty much out the door because

[51:52] we don't have that capacity in gazley like we thought we did so it kind of go

[51:56] away so it's really it was a progression if you will of assumptions I thought you

[52:00] eliminated three also I I did three was machuka switching machuka lift station

[52:05] back over to gine we can't do that either so we're just left with with

[52:08] basically scenario number four down there and you are including the

[52:15] known what do you call it the known potential developer yes sir yes sir all

[52:19] scenarios two through four all have the potential develop that's 650 lues yes

[52:25] sir which is a household so 2.5 people per house that's that's a 40% increase

[52:31] in population right up FR right three years

[52:36] right three to five depending on how long I mean the one I guess let me

[52:40] Broach uh the Bastrop subject a little bit as far as you know with our

[52:43] involvement with them we did a similar study back in

[52:47] 2017 and then pleaded with them to build a a treatment plant they were already in

[52:52] our opinion behind the eightball um they did subsequently a couple years later

[52:58] and I'm sure many of you know off of fm20 they have their their new Waste

[53:02] Water Treatment Plant and they just turned the key on that thing in the last

[53:05] few months it took them a while to build they had a an issue with some something

[53:09] got held up on the supply chain from what I

[53:13] understand but what we had told what our recommendation back in 2017 was go build

[53:18] a plant over there and shut down your old plants if you do that now you'll be

[53:22] fine well that was with what we thought was a fairly aggressive growth rate we

[53:26] would have been wrong because they've finished the new plant it's a 2 MGD

[53:31] plant and they're having to keep their existing plants online not only that

[53:37] they just turned the key on the new plant and they just they've already got

[53:40] the second or the expansion to that plant underway and it's a four MGD plant

[53:47] so they're about to put a whole lot down and talking with with uh the Public

[53:51] Works director you know he admitted that he never saw that growth coming that

[53:55] they see they said they there flooding in right the the annexations the the

[54:00] change over from Aqua to city water and all those things are happening at at a

[54:05] rapid pace so in a in a new facility plan you would

[54:11] contingently uh account for the possible need for expansion because of an

[54:15] underestimation of growth I mean it makes sense to me you

[54:20] know Les Paul alluded to Engineers like to be conservative we don't but we're a

[54:25] guess right at the end of the day it's still a guess on our part um you know

[54:30] simply simply put kind of jumping ahead we would I think what I would recommend

[54:34] is a 0.5 MGD expansion to Willow if you're going to make an expansion and

[54:39] right now it's a0 three for the record

[54:53] so okay so that was kind of the growth rate

[54:58] right um and what it does to our plants uh the next thing we looked at is is

[55:03] kind of trying to develop a future development map and an assumed

[55:07] development density so future Land Development is difficult okay it's if

[55:12] not impossible to to predict uh but what we can do is is try to look at the past

[55:17] and project the future U so you know projecting out and trying to figure out

[55:23] development density is extremely important because I've got a get this

[55:27] not only do we have to worry about the plants and being able to treat it but I

[55:29] got to get it there right and how do I get it there how do I not tell you guys

[55:33] to put in a 12inch line and three years later it needed to be a a 24 inch line

[55:38] right that would be terrible of use of y'all's money so you know we try to do

[55:43] the best we can on what our estimation might be so what ultimately we're doing

[55:48] is we're recommending a development density of four Lue per acre so four

[55:54] houses per acre uh for record uh saws San Antonio water system and San Antonio

[56:00] they they look at the same metric they use the same thing for unknown land they

[56:05] assume that four Lue per acre so locally let's look at some of the the recent

[56:10] either projects that have been completed or underway so you've got the Prairie

[56:14] subdivision that was 3.9 Lue per acre the Wood Rose subdivision

[56:20] 3.5 Hera now granted Hera is larger Lots right not only that but if you discount

[56:25] the river front lots and kind of make them quasi normal size to the rest of

[56:30] their Lots that's 2.3 now the important thing to know and

[56:34] oh I guess M5 subdivision that's 2.8 Lue per acre now the important thing about

[56:40] all of those subdivisions is none of them or all of them I should say were

[56:44] above your minimum uh lot size of 6,500 square feet

[56:50] all of those all of those subdivisions were above that so if you and the other

[56:55] thing to note about those subdivisions they were kind of on if you will smaller

[56:59] landlocked properties so there was only really one way that they could develop

[57:03] them they didn't have a lot of um ability to think about a different way

[57:08] to develop and it put a road here and put Lots on either side of it right

[57:12] whereas if you think about a much larger property okay any of these large

[57:17] properties that you see posted here if those came in and developed a master

[57:21] plan it would be much easier to get that development density up high when you

[57:26] think about just homes U because they could be much more

[57:30] efficient with how they lay them out not only that but if they're here just to

[57:34] make money they're going to probably try to do the 6,500 potentially your your

[57:38] smallest lot size right so it could also bump up that development

[57:43] density the smallest slot size equates to what per acre five well it it it's a

[57:50] tough It's that's a tougher question to ask or to answer than than possible

[57:54] because the reason is you have to think about ride away

[57:56] you got to think about detention ponds and that sort of thing cover

[58:01] requirements cover requirements are going to drive it a lot too so if you

[58:04] take a 43,560 square foot in an acre and you take out our impervious cover you

[58:09] know requirements by ordinance and you take out some factor I don't know is it

[58:13] 15 what would be streets and Roads 15 percent I might even go as high as 20 20

[58:20] yeah I mean you can close to the four it's going be pretty close to the four

[58:24] yeah and that's kind of the point right the the three 3.9 for for Prairie right

[58:28] if you think about it they have I don't I don't want to go backwards on this but

[58:32] I'd like to do that before we get too far past the growth projection is you

[58:36] know there's a couple rules one you alluded to which is a rule of large

[58:40] numbers you know which is 2% is not a lot of absolute in a small base but it's

[58:45] a big number in a big city the other is growth doesn't happen on a linear basis

[58:51] and so when you do projections for 2 and a half% growth over 20 or 30 or 40 years

[58:57] you often times miss the real risk which is growth doesn't happen two and a half

[59:02] percent a year ask Bastrop I I know because when I was at fourstar we

[59:06] developed the colony and we own the colony for almost 30 years and we sold

[59:10] five lots a year or eight lots a year it was an inherited deal and then all of a

[59:14] sudden you know the bucket turns over and the momentum's there and now you've

[59:17] got huge growth so you have to we have to be careful I think when we plan for

[59:22] infrastructure improvements that we are really really careful that we don't just

[59:27] design for a linear growth because that's not the way it's going to happen

[59:31] we don't want to be caught kind of to your Peak flow analysis there's going to

[59:34] be a point at which it just we're going to get overrun if we want to I mean

[59:38] let's face it development's not going to come here if there's no Wastewater but

[59:41] whatever we decide to do we somewhat control our own destiny we can decide

[59:45] through our land use what we want and where we want it and how fast we want it

[59:48] and we just designed to that and growth will go around us if it's bigger so yeah

[59:53] it's it's one of those situations in some parts you build it and they will

[59:55] come come right if you open it up for them which makes it a tool for us to

[59:59] control growth particularly if we have to have another facility where we place

[1:00:04] that would be important to directing where future growth might come and I'm

[1:00:08] posing that as a question yes simply put yeah

[1:00:13] y so the other uh component I guess would as far as Lue I kind of was

[1:00:18] leaning on heavily on the residential side but if you think about the

[1:00:21] commercial side you have the towers Nursing Facility I think I mentioned it

[1:00:24] earlier that's that's effective like a 5 Lue per acre okay and the sparkling

[1:00:29] clean car wash down here at the end is is 25 Lue per acre okay so very dense if

[1:00:35] you think about you know some of the commercial that can come in so it can

[1:00:39] offset what might be a lower density on the residential side could be easily

[1:00:43] offset by commercial or industrial or institutional what do you use for Lue uh

[1:00:49] for multi family like a 300 unit apartment complex use a half a Lue so

[1:00:54] it's funny you ask um we did get into that with some of my analysis uh with

[1:00:58] some of the existing uh apartment complexes here in town if you look at uh

[1:01:03] um Austin and Houston I think they I think Houston was around last I looked

[1:01:09] was like maybe half a Lue okay Austin I think was 75 but I actually looked at

[1:01:15] one of the apartment complexes here and they blew that out of the water they

[1:01:18] were like two and it didn't almost didn't make sense but that was their

[1:01:21] water usage

[1:01:26] is it Willow the the willow well anywhere you're going to have a large

[1:01:31] percentage of larger two-bedroom and three-bedroom

[1:01:33] units yeah right so you know at the end of the

[1:01:39] day again the idea here is is the subdivision side isn't going to be four

[1:01:46] the commercial side isn't going to be four per acre you hope that you at the

[1:01:49] end of the day when you average a large area you could end up with around four L

[1:01:54] breaker and the idea is honestly that that's conservative that's that's our

[1:01:58] hope we don't want to be below it because then everything else that I'm

[1:02:02] about to show you is undersized okay so we want to be a little bit conservative

[1:02:06] in that in that thought process okay so that brings us to the

[1:02:12] actual map so um in very beginning of of the project and talking with Robert this

[1:02:18] is the areas that we decided to focus on so to orient you guys a little bit

[1:02:22] obviously this is Smithville proper here's the Colorado River 71 and loop

[1:02:27] 230 okay all the way up to FM uh 153 here we're south of the river here

[1:02:36] okay 71 again Loop uh 230 okay and this is

[1:02:41] bordering um I don't know what that water body is called down here is it

[1:02:47] well you got Willow Creek is here not sure what that one is ships Lake thank

[1:02:52] you so these are the areas that we're elected to focus on on um I'll tell you

[1:02:57] why we didn't decide to focus kind of south of town first I know they're not

[1:03:01] shown here but you you're basically kind of bordered more or less on the south by

[1:03:04] the school right school has a lot of uh flood plane nearby okay and there's

[1:03:10] really no sewer infrastructure that leads past the school so you lack

[1:03:15] infrastructure okay you have a big flood plan issue it would be an exorbitant

[1:03:20] cost to get that into town so in essence the idea is this is more ripe for for

[1:03:25] development mainly again you have 71 running through

[1:03:28] here so these are the areas that we're elected to focus on if somebody's going

[1:03:32] to develop out there the likelihood maybe that maybe

[1:03:36] there's a MUD district or something like that might make more sense to come up

[1:03:40] out there um but U that was the decision that was

[1:03:45] made so um again I won't dive completely into all this but more or less give you

[1:03:50] an overview what's going on the pink that you see are currently what we deem

[1:03:55] uh either underdeveloped properties meaning

[1:03:58] they haven't met what could be their highest usage or they're not developed

[1:04:03] at all and all your yellow have been developed in some sense um each one of

[1:04:10] these squares has been numbered and correlate to uh a table

[1:04:17] that I did not print in a large format but you'll have it in your handouts so

[1:04:22] each each property and or sometimes I group properties together have been

[1:04:26] numbered okay given sometimes their their ID number as far as the appraisal

[1:04:32] district goes and a name of a development if they have one or the name

[1:04:36] name of the individual that owns it potentially um and an assumption was

[1:04:41] made for each and every property whether that be four lots for Lu per acre or if

[1:04:48] it was developed how many Lue that it may consist of today if there was a

[1:04:54] single home potential on the property today but it in our opinion could see

[1:04:59] higher usage later we also looked at what that property could potentially do

[1:05:03] in the future so all those things have been

[1:05:07] tabulated in that very robust

[1:05:17] spreadsheet any questions on this before I jump to the next thing

[1:05:22] here okay so and I'll leave the up for a while any let's see actually I'll move

[1:05:29] one more so this next two slides are

[1:05:35] effectively the same areas but what we did is now we look at

[1:05:40] where and how are we going to collect that development moving forward and

[1:05:46] we're not here to tell them exactly where to put every single sewer line but

[1:05:50] rather what we call the trunk line the main lines so that's then broken into

[1:05:55] what we call call sewer sheds you've probably heard maybe heard the term

[1:05:58] Watershed before well same thing as sewer shed okay so for instance this

[1:06:03] light green would be for sewershed number one and this blue solid or darker

[1:06:09] wider line is what we consider trunk line number one so that's where the

[1:06:14] sewer from sewer shed number one in our opinion would make sense to go into

[1:06:19] trunk line number one so on and so forth so again north of the river we kind of

[1:06:25] have it divided into two sewer sheds one is the this is the Eda lift station or

[1:06:30] the highway State Highway 71 lift station that was built a few years ago

[1:06:34] with an existing trunk line that comes up to the Smithville Industrial Park

[1:06:39] okay it would grab all of this area here and the loop 230 line comes down Loop

[1:06:46] 230 right now there is a uh the MD Anderson has their facility up here has

[1:06:51] an existing lift station that pumps all the way down into town crosses the

[1:06:56] Colorado River and dumps in in town here what we would propose is to bring a

[1:07:02] a gravity line up 230 and then dump that Force man would actually dump up here in

[1:07:07] the top we'd put a new lift station down here at the bottom and we have basically

[1:07:13] two scenarios that we'll go through later one is to continue to use this

[1:07:17] forcan that goes underneath the river and into trunk line number five

[1:07:21] ultimately making its way to gazley or taking that a new Force main over to

[1:07:27] State Highway 71 crossing the river a new crossing of the river and dump in to

[1:07:32] what will be trunk line number one which is also mind you where the

[1:07:39] existing Eda Andor Highway 71 lift station pumps

[1:07:45] today so what we did of course is we now took the spreadsheet that you had before

[1:07:51] and we dumped it into groups right now we have them uh so if you'll flip to the

[1:07:56] next if you guys have it out it's kind of the next set of spreadsheets they're

[1:08:01] stapled together so you can if you take your uh binder clips apart you can find

[1:08:05] it easier um it is uh what's I call it the it's the

[1:08:11] collection system

[1:08:17] evaluation yes keep keep going let's see sorry I know we've got a

[1:08:25] bunch here it is right there we're going to be hitting these up

[1:08:29] next so thank you very

[1:08:33] yeah yeah I wish I could find a ace um so basically this was me determining how

[1:08:42] much sewage could come down each one of these trunk lines right so it helps me

[1:08:47] to figure out okay at the slopes and some of these a lot of these areas

[1:08:51] already have lines in them so they're already a certain lot sized line at a

[1:08:57] certain slope so all I would be looking to do is pull that line out and put a

[1:09:01] new larger line in its place again not necessarily going to

[1:09:06] dive in you can feel free to try to follow uh these spreadsheets effectively

[1:09:13] you'll see on the far right hand side the arrows and the the red line the red

[1:09:19] little squares or each one of those red squares symbolizes a line that's having

[1:09:23] to be upsized okay so the blue lines kind of give you

[1:09:27] a little description of where the trunk lines start uh let's use a for example

[1:09:33] if you look at trunk line number one it says it starts up here at the river and

[1:09:37] effectively turns uh left if you will off of is that Hill Road out there too

[1:09:46] Hill and then turns and goes directly to the treatment plant today this line

[1:09:51] actually goes all the way downhill down 71 and then wraps itself back over to

[1:09:57] the plant so all I'm doing is shortcutting is what I'm trying to do

[1:10:01] here okay what that does is that frees up capacity and makes this line a little

[1:10:06] smaller a lot smaller so I looked at effectively two

[1:10:12] scenarios and I've kind of already alluded to it the two scenarios again

[1:10:16] because of the revelation of gazley uh how much flow can I take down

[1:10:22] here and do I want to take it down here so in a say a 33% situation 3367 like I

[1:10:29] talked about earlier I was assuming all of this would come in to trunk line

[1:10:34] number five and over to the treatment plant scenario two excuse me scenario

[1:10:39] that was scenario two scenario one would take it and bring it over to ultimately

[1:10:45] to

[1:10:48] Willow the problem being two twofold with scenario 2 we've

[1:10:54] already talked about the limitations of gazley right by bringing that extra flow

[1:10:59] in here we're going to run out of capacity so we're going to have to do an

[1:11:03] expansion right we're going to have to at a bare minimum do the clarifier that

[1:11:07] we talked about so we looked at Cost numbers associated with

[1:11:12] that additionally this trunk line number five that runs through town today would

[1:11:19] also have to be upsized a lot of that run anything that

[1:11:23] you see running this way is actually running through alleys but this piece

[1:11:27] was actually running right down fourth okay so obviously that's a lot of

[1:11:33] disturbance it's an expensive project okay so combined if I look at scenario

[1:11:39] number two versus scenario number one I find that taking everything north of the

[1:11:44] river to Willow is actually cheaper currently my numbers which I'm

[1:11:50] still refining with some contractors because of the larger pipe sizes that we

[1:11:55] don't often deal with and trust me the Contracting world has changed a lot of

[1:11:59] things over the last few years so even the numbers I did have are no longer

[1:12:03] valid but I'm refining those but as of right now I'm thinking somewhere on the

[1:12:09] order of one and a half to $2 million difference between those two options not

[1:12:15] only financially but it'll also allow you a longer run time in gazley So

[1:12:22] eventually there is a strong likelihood that gazley is going to need some work

[1:12:27] but if I go all the way back to the the buildout and and and uh you look at the

[1:12:33] growth it's not going to be soon effectively it would give you an

[1:12:37] opportunity to monitor what's really happening in the city and and you'd have

[1:12:43] a pretty good idea of of when you might have to do that expansion so

[1:12:55] okay so um effectively then what we do is we we kind of had to look at well

[1:13:01] I've kind of already explained it to a certain extent uh your different

[1:13:04] scenarios led to a cost because each one of those trunk lines uh has a a number

[1:13:11] to them okay we also are looking at the same time this is available development

[1:13:18] capacity this is the next spreadsheet in order for you guys and what this was was

[1:13:23] my attempt to figure out what's the trigger points right when do

[1:13:28] we have to do these things how much more development can we allow before we have

[1:13:32] to do these upgrades the results were a little

[1:13:37] surprising okay trunk M number one let's talk about it a little bit trunk main

[1:13:42] number one I need to flip papers trunk line number one on this

[1:13:49] side really has no flow except for outside of a few homes here that go into

[1:13:53] it today it's main flow comes from this lift station this lift station has an 8

[1:13:58] in Force main underneath the river this line is an 8 in gravity line we have

[1:14:04] effectively throttled back this lift station it's got some good pumps in it

[1:14:09] matter of fact the pumps that befco designed in this lift station and the

[1:14:14] the trunk line that comes up to the Eda lift station needs no upgrades okay this

[1:14:20] is the one trunk line that needs no work okay but what we did is we had to

[1:14:25] throttle this this lift station back so it doesn't pump as much as it can

[1:14:30] because if we did we'd have it shooting out of the manle over here

[1:14:34] okay so effectively what that means is in order for development to occur up

[1:14:40] here and increase the flow into uh the lift station and thus under

[1:14:45] the river and into trunk main number one we pretty much have to do it day

[1:14:50] one okay furthermore

[1:14:55] the you have two lift stations here on the south side or if you will in

[1:15:00] Smithville proper and we already talked about machuka and I mentioned fauler

[1:15:04] lift station both of those lift stations come in to each other within about a

[1:15:08] half a mile of each other or less uh fauler dumps in on fauler road

[1:15:14] about halfway between uh 8th Avenue and Luke 230 and the machuka lift station

[1:15:20] actually dumps in at fauler Road in 230 so those stations even though they don't

[1:15:27] necess you know a lift station how a lift station Works a little bit of

[1:15:30] thought process there you have water that comes into a lift station slowly

[1:15:34] from the houses okay and it fills up slowly and then it gets to a certain

[1:15:39] point and it pumps it down okay and then it refills and pumps it down so you have

[1:15:43] a lot the the you have tcq requirements that say you have to pump at a certain

[1:15:49] speed because you don't want the the uh Force man to get clogged by debris so

[1:15:55] you put in there a certain velocity and that velocity keeps that line clean so

[1:15:59] it doesn't clog itself up that's the reason the

[1:16:02] velocity that velocity creates a higher uh flow rate than what's coming into the

[1:16:08] lift station so what happens in a in a perfect and

[1:16:13] disastrous condition is you have machuka pumping at the same time it's raining

[1:16:18] outside everybody's at home doing their dishes again and washing clothes fauler

[1:16:25] lift station is pumping at the same time as machuka is pumping and we get water

[1:16:31] coming out of this line because this line isn't big enough today either okay

[1:16:35] so the line from down two 230 from fauler over to 71 is kind of collects

[1:16:43] all of this area today and as I mentioned today anyway this line comes

[1:16:47] down and meets it the good news is is this Li station is only pumping like

[1:16:51] probably once a day because there's not much flow

[1:16:55] north of the River

[1:16:58] today so while this may be 1 a as far as importance this is 1

[1:17:07] B my understanding is there have been instances to dat where this line has had

[1:17:12] some difficulties carrying its flow and usually my understanding is during Heavy

[1:17:17] Rain

[1:17:20] events as for trunk trunk name number three is kind of just the culmination of

[1:17:26] these two coming together so it's just its own little little entity it's kind

[1:17:29] of when one and two happen three is going to happen at the same time as far

[1:17:34] as trunk line four that's more of the situation that you've already kind of

[1:17:37] alluded to which is when do you want to build it right up and down Loop 230 here

[1:17:45] you have a number of smaller properties some of which have businesses on them

[1:17:49] already U some of them that have houses that are on maybe slightly larger

[1:17:53] properties you know there's to my knowledge not a whole lot of demand

[1:17:58] going on at this point and unfortunately this is the most expensive trunk line to

[1:18:03] build at this point I think off the top of my head it's around $4 million to

[1:18:07] build the trunk line build a a new lift station and the Force main so this is

[1:18:12] the most expensive of the trunk lines to be built um and it's it's really one of

[1:18:18] those true classic if you build it maybe they'll come right it depends on on who

[1:18:23] has aspirations to build there certainly if you build it somebody's going to come

[1:18:28] but um you're going to probably do that in two contracts um you're not looking I

[1:18:35] mean design and

[1:18:38] construction two and a half years I mean you you probably look at a

[1:18:44] well maybe I should stretch that the three your your lift station nowadays

[1:18:48] with again components are hard to come by electrical equipment especially um

[1:18:53] the last lift station I've got under construction now is we put a year on it

[1:18:58] just for

[1:19:01] construction all right so that's kind of synopsis effectively

[1:19:06] unfortunately the main trunk lines that are already in place outside of of

[1:19:11] number four and number six you know these would need would need U immediate

[1:19:18] attention and then last is actually the cost estimate at this point that we have

[1:19:24] so again I had two scenarios we've kind of alluded to already so scenario we

[1:19:30] kind of just gloss over a little bit of scenario number two where as it shows

[1:19:34] right now it's at one point roughly 1.75 is what I have the difference 1.75

[1:19:40] million between those two scenarios again if you look kind of you

[1:19:44] have your your all the trunk lines are involved in these scenarios mind

[1:19:48] you uh to to make them kind of apples to apples comparisons uh these should also

[1:19:53] be noted this is in today's dollars okay that's vital important for me to

[1:19:58] say before 2017 well actually before I guess 2019

[1:20:04] versus today any any numbers that befco looks at as far as previous contracts

[1:20:11] that we're trying to to create estimates off of we're doing anywhere from 50 to

[1:20:16] 100% markup on what we saw then that's the difference in what Contracting

[1:20:21] prices are so very important for me to say

[1:20:25] today's prices and don't ask me to project because who would have told you

[1:20:29] that they would have gone up that much in that short period of time

[1:20:34] so um you'll see that uh scenario number one has all the trunk lines except for

[1:20:40] five right because we if we're if we're going to take trunk line number four

[1:20:44] over to Willow we do not need to mess with trunk line number five it's

[1:20:48] actually in good shape it doesn't need any

[1:20:51] Improvement but we would have to build a force main okay

[1:20:55] then Willow would get its expansion again I assumed a half a million gallon

[1:21:01] expansion that's 14 million by itself okay today's

[1:21:09] dollars Paul actually got a pretty good chuckle out of me the other day we were

[1:21:12] talking numbers back and and obviously Paul's

[1:21:16] got some more experience than I do I remember back in my Houston days when we

[1:21:20] were doing MUD district work uh as a as a young graduate engineer you know we

[1:21:26] were told to assume $3 per gallon on a wastewater treatment plant now I was not

[1:21:32] naive enough to ask Paul if that was still the number I knew better than that

[1:21:35] but I did think it was what did I say10 to15 a gallon I think is what I said

[1:21:39] this is it's got to probably a little bit higher than that right and he said

[1:21:42] uh it's a little higher than that yeah it's more like 21 to

[1:21:47] 2425 per gallon so mind you that

[1:21:52] scenarios get us through what population number this what year this will take you

[1:21:58] through the 30-year window that we studied so through

[1:22:02] expansion we can handle a 30-year window according these assumptions right but if

[1:22:08] something else goes yeah and you know in to to your point as far as if if other

[1:22:13] things were developed and and it's hard to go back one map

[1:22:19] here oops

[1:22:25] Murphy's Law so one of the limitations that we we

[1:22:32] kind of looked at is obviously you have 71 right but there's also some flood

[1:22:36] plane that's that's present out here that's going to make it a little bit

[1:22:40] more difficult and and to your to a certain extent where do you stop right

[1:22:46] you got to you got to make some kind of an assumption the reality is if you

[1:22:49] start getting out here too far and it's still now become the city of Smithville

[1:22:54] uh all of us look down from heaven uh you know there's a good possibility

[1:22:58] you're building a new waste treatment plant somewhere other than trying to get

[1:23:01] it all the way to where it is today where where I am trying to make the

[1:23:06] connection is is if we've got the 650 known whatever it is then that's a

[1:23:14] 40% increase in population so if we're assuming two 3% population growth that's

[1:23:20] blown out of water right there correct we got a 40 50% growth now base two or

[1:23:25] three% on on top of that yeah the 2.8% on top of that but I've done all that

[1:23:30] and that's actually that's actually I'm still within if I do that 650 and I grow

[1:23:34] at 2.8% thereafter I'm still good with what I'm giving you that makes me feel

[1:23:38] better thank you like like Paul said we like to be

[1:23:42] conservative so

[1:23:48] um so I guess uh in wrapping up kind of looking at the

[1:23:52] estimates um again the scenario 2 had to involve still involved the the willow

[1:23:57] expansion but it also involved the GLE expansion and the trunk line number five

[1:24:01] so that's really your biggest changes and it might be decent to note by taking

[1:24:06] I already had to upsize trunk line number one no matter what okay in either

[1:24:10] scenario by taking the new new lift station and Force main over to it all I

[1:24:17] had to do is jump this pipe size up by one by one increment so it went from a

[1:24:22] 15 inch to an 18 inch if I remember right ask you a question this this last

[1:24:26] box is system maintenance items this $3.8 million is that something that we

[1:24:31] need to do no matter what today so those are exactly that that would be

[1:24:35] recommendations that which option we choose we have to do these would be our

[1:24:38] recommendations that they need to start picking those off so so there's 3.8

[1:24:43] million in today's dollars that we need to do now that I would recommend now and

[1:24:48] frankly along with with trunk lines one through three yeah okay so that adds on

[1:24:53] to either scenario one or seven scenario two or if we do trunk Line 1 2 and three

[1:24:57] it's plus 3.8 yes sir so it's about 10

[1:25:07] million in today's

[1:25:12] dollar

[1:25:16] right so that's kind of the I think that puts a bow tie oh well it doesn't quite

[1:25:20] put a bow tie the one thing I guess obviously we were talking about major

[1:25:23] money here right um I think uh I think you made the comment the

[1:25:30] other day Robert that I think y''s standard Allin year is 15 million that

[1:25:35] right somewhere in that neighborhood so that's obviously not

[1:25:39] something that you can handle you know without some type of a different

[1:25:44] Financial operation you know one thing that uh is

[1:25:49] out there that would be recommended is is impact fees okay and are I don't know

[1:25:55] who all is familiar with impact fees okay but uh that's effectively trying to

[1:25:59] put the onus on the people that are doing the development and not your

[1:26:03] residents um so in

[1:26:09] this the idea is it would def that defay the idea would be to defay your your

[1:26:14] cost ultimately no $7,500 impact fees I mean that's a half million a million

[1:26:21] bucks right I mean to to to I'm been a proponent of impact fees I'm just saying

[1:26:27] it's not going to get it done right I mean to a certain extent yeah I mean

[1:26:30] your growth is probably going to you know even your residents are probably

[1:26:33] going to feel a squeeze no matter what at this point the reality being that you

[1:26:38] need the money today you can't wait for the developer to get here when you don't

[1:26:42] have the infrastructure to to bring them in um

[1:26:46] so if you want to take the floor a little on just just a little bit Yeah so

[1:26:51] there are grants out there the Texas water development board that will help

[1:26:54] with this type of infrastructure uh Improvement um we have the option to do

[1:26:59] a CFO don't recommend taking it to a bond impact fees we're already

[1:27:03] investigating and and Jason's doing some work on that um but this is it's a big

[1:27:11] Bill that U yeah so let me let me ask a question about this this maintenance is

[1:27:16] $3.8 Million number U let me I'm going to call it $5 million just because it's

[1:27:22] not we're not doing it today or tomorrow uh and I think we'd be lucky if it ends

[1:27:26] up being five that's something that you strongly

[1:27:29] recommend that we need to do now in order to either be in compliance or to

[1:27:35] avoid being out of compliance which is probably imminent so there there's a

[1:27:40] variation of things and this is if you will oversimplified uh simply put so in

[1:27:45] the larger report that we'll be publishing we'll we'll rank things that

[1:27:49] we deem as being a number one importance so to your point it needs to be done

[1:27:55] today uh versus maybe a um let's call it the I think Paul alluded to the lift

[1:28:01] station out at Willow needing some fall protection into it do you need that

[1:28:07] today I'm sure the guys wouldn't mind having it but you know what do you want

[1:28:12] to deem as as being 100% necessary today and at some

[1:28:16] point the almighty dollar is going to going to have to to come into play so

[1:28:21] what do what do we what do we think I mean between you and and you I mean what

[1:28:25] what do we think if we agreed that we needed to do the 3.8 you know with a

[1:28:30] little bit of massaging but a significant chunk when would we expect

[1:28:34] to have to incur that cost if we wanted to what does immediate mean to us right

[1:28:39] now does that mean we would be in this next budget year or the following budget

[1:28:44] year well based upon his projections and all the factors that he's talked about

[1:28:48] uh it it it's not Doom and Gloom right now 3 to five years two to three well

[1:28:54] certain certain things probably need to be I mean you're you're you're flirting

[1:28:57] you're flirting with the disaster right I mean if the the the blowers go out at

[1:29:02] at at gazley right now you're going to get tcq breathing down your neck right

[1:29:07] not in this year's budget I it would have to be we could start looking and

[1:29:10] investigating for FY 2526 the type of funding in the in in in parallel look

[1:29:16] for the grants look for other Partnerships to try to look at impact

[1:29:19] fees uh but there was not my intention to recommend doing this this year here

[1:29:25] um u in the FY 2425 budget cycle one of the things that I think we

[1:29:31] all I know personally do not want to be a part of is having this information and

[1:29:37] have have a consultant use words like I strongly recommend or this is failing

[1:29:41] today and that be on the record and us not do something the worst thing we can

[1:29:46] have is teq come out here and get in our sandbox

[1:29:51] um I mean they would be a little easier on a small town like Smith F then they

[1:29:54] might be on Houston Dallas or Austin not really but it's still not fine not

[1:29:58] really yeah I I have a question Welly I hate to say this um if we did the lift

[1:30:05] station and the uh blower piping overhead crane right there um at the at

[1:30:11] gazley which was about you know it's under two million I hate to say this

[1:30:16] word if we have a tax note could it go for

[1:30:21] that uh

[1:30:25] I hate to say it but uh there's other methods to use CFOs Andor it could yes

[1:30:33] was just a question yeah because while you have it marked in the tax note you

[1:30:39] could always be you looking for the grants and other things to fund it to

[1:30:43] move it forward because right now you know unless you have some other

[1:30:49] kind of funding available to you I don't see us moving forward as you say Tom

[1:30:54] uh I want I want I want to ask a question of the

[1:30:58] engineers I want to ask you a question are you comfortable given what you know

[1:31:02] based on your preliminary study are you comfortable with us defraying for a year

[1:31:06] doing any work on these items that you show in the maintenance

[1:31:13] items you've answered my question there we go I mean you know is this one

[1:31:19] working I guess it's just not as loud as the other one uh you know to your to the

[1:31:24] machuka and fauler lift station to my knowledge they've been operating like

[1:31:29] they are today for

[1:31:32] years but at the same time you know what I've seen in the in even the the trunk

[1:31:38] lines is that technically the trunk lines are not a size to handle them and

[1:31:42] if you make the improvements you'll gain a little capacity I would imagine

[1:31:46] absolutely and honestly with a for instance I was discussing with a

[1:31:50] colleague earlier today with machuka in particular I I would probably try to

[1:31:55] find a way to ramp down how much flow it's producing because I don't know that

[1:31:59] it needs to be as high as it is and uh that's just one example of maybe more

[1:32:04] efficiency that could be found so what would Robert what would be

[1:32:08] the options if we had to come up with a financing vehicle for four or five

[1:32:12] million doar that I mean what would be the grants would be the obvious first

[1:32:18] stop is there a is there a somebody have in mind that would be the second would

[1:32:22] be a certificate of ation that's what our um citizens for yes yeah impact fees

[1:32:29] yeah citizens are yeah it the new ones for developers yeah um a loan or a bond

[1:32:37] which you don't citizens have to pay I'm just what is the real likelihood of a

[1:32:41] grant for a substantial amount of this is it pretty low go with Texas water

[1:32:45] development board I mean you've had experience with them um it's timely

[1:32:48] though I mean it takes some time to get approval I mean this is clearly a

[1:32:52] resiliency category item I mean you know you look at you know what that means for

[1:32:57] us in terms of infrastructure and be in violation and potentially have an

[1:33:00] environmental impacts and all um I would think that there would be a lot of

[1:33:05] Grants I'm just not familiar with how successful a town like ours would be at

[1:33:08] getting and to to be clear Texas water development board you may get some Grant

[1:33:14] but the likelihood it's going to be more of a loan than it would well Tex one of

[1:33:18] the things I just was telling Robert in the tml um update there was a uh opening

[1:33:25] of Grant applications from the uh uh one of the Departments from from federal

[1:33:31] government I think it was agriculture where they were having Water and

[1:33:35] Wastewater up to $500,000 grants coming everybody sign up

[1:33:40] for if you wanted them whether you get those or not I don't know no such thing

[1:33:45] as free money I know there's no such thing as free money you got to pay it

[1:33:48] back eventually but huh already over I bet they are

[1:33:54] they are I do want to make a clarification because there's been some

[1:33:57] terms and things said that you know we're imminent violation there are

[1:34:00] pieces of this that we would potentially be fine for because we're not in

[1:34:04] compliance currently but that's not due to the flow we're talking about problems

[1:34:09] of blowers if tcq did come yeah they could pop us for that and we're in the

[1:34:13] process of actually fixing the blowers at at at gazley so I to make make sure

[1:34:18] that's C it's no different than you know I use another analogy I guess think

[1:34:24] about your storm water situation right we I don't think there's any secret that

[1:34:29] we know that Smithville has some issues with storm water right when a 100-year

[1:34:32] Reign events comes we've got issues right and and we've been trying to chip

[1:34:37] away at those things over the years as money has become available some of these

[1:34:41] instances such as the trunk Mains and saying that they don't have the capacity

[1:34:45] are those perfect storms right they are that 100-year event that 1% annual

[1:34:49] chance of it occurring so can I say that it it shouldn't be done no you know I

[1:34:55] can't say that but at the same time it is a perfect storm type situation and

[1:35:00] that happened in Harvey right so to be honest but again I want to clarify we

[1:35:04] are not in in anywhere near being violated for the 75% rule at this time

[1:35:10] including the projected short-term growth corre want to make sure that's

[1:35:14] clear no yeah at the same time for my colleagues putting it out there I I

[1:35:19] personally don't want us to put this off for a year and maybe it's an agenda item

[1:35:23] and next month or two where we can do a subcommittee or task force and get with

[1:35:27] you guys and do some more in-depth because we got to educate ourselves more

[1:35:32] I mean y'all done a great job but sure more

[1:35:36] inform well just to give it a perspective $5 million without even

[1:35:40] taking into account interest you know over a five or a seven year period is

[1:35:43] 750 to a million dollars a year repayment with no interest being

[1:35:47] included so that's about 5 to 7% of our annual budget today so when you talk

[1:35:52] about a per increase in the budget you know that would be enough probably to

[1:35:58] pretty close to to amortise this because most of those loans I think are probably

[1:36:02] five do they go 10 years will they go out 10 years on those loans the SE the

[1:36:05] SE of they can go 25 and 30 on a certific o infastructure like this yeah

[1:36:10] okay and that's what we did with the uh uh the Water Tower rehab it was a $3

[1:36:15] million uh CFO and well that even makes I mean I would I mean I don't know what

[1:36:21] everybody else thinks I would love to see it as soon as possible a $5 million

[1:36:26] number with just a loan rep whatever come up with some kind of standard

[1:36:30] repayment a 20-year 25 years 6% interest whatever 5% pick some interest rate and

[1:36:35] show us what it would be in debt service per year to that point I already have

[1:36:39] Samco working on something if indeed you had had chosen to send me I when we talk

[1:36:44] about prioritize PRI budget By Priority if it's a half a million dollars a year

[1:36:50] and it sounds like it may even be less than that if we can go 20 or 30 years on

[1:36:54] the repayment then um you know we can find uh two or three or $400,000 of

[1:37:00] savings in our existing budgets where we still have a net zero impact to Citizens

[1:37:05] yeah with the CFO typically I'm sorry go ahead well I mean Monday night we talked

[1:37:09] about another 5 to 700,000 we're going to need in two or three years for the

[1:37:13] alley work I mean maybe we can lump that in but we've got some major projects

[1:37:17] that we have not funded with typical CFOs you have to identify a repayment

[1:37:23] source course and with the last one we did with the water tower refurbishment

[1:37:28] uh we uh the repayment was $5.75 cents a month on everyone's

[1:37:33] utility bill so you see that on your bills now and that's going to be

[1:37:37] happening for the next 20 years to pay back the three point you know aized uh

[1:37:41] monies that we borrowed so you can identify something like that but there's

[1:37:45] going to be citizen impact if you take a c

[1:37:47] ofo well not if you reduce uh expenses somewhere else in the budget oh agree

[1:37:52] agre and and it can Net Zero we just have to prioritize it I would think that

[1:37:56] most people would well maybe not but I would certainly prioritize something

[1:38:00] that was near term out of compliance all of this stuff is going to be needed to

[1:38:05] be done regardless of what we do I mean in in option one or two I mean it's

[1:38:10] something we have to do period right it's going to take a great deal of

[1:38:15] of we need to make a a really big effort to educate the public on the need so

[1:38:22] whatever measures that we have to take um don't come as too much of a shock and

[1:38:26] we haven't gone through this year's budget yet there's we don't know exactly

[1:38:30] what we're going to come up with I think in our conversations in comparison to

[1:38:34] other municipalities we're ahead of the curve as to what y'all are planning

[1:38:39] forther ahead than than many I'll say that but that doesn't mean we can take

[1:38:43] off our foot off the

[1:38:47] sure yeah you have to get you have to Mike I'm sorry I just going to say to

[1:38:54] Tom to to you're talking about the Texas water

[1:38:58] develop board and TDA and all them and Jill can test this too uh I mean bottom

[1:39:04] line even if we started the process right now we're two years

[1:39:07] out absolutely I mean before you get any funding and you can start construction

[1:39:12] so to answer your question we can look into that yeah but well and that's the

[1:39:16] point is whether it's construction design or soliciting funds this is not

[1:39:21] something that happens in 90 to 100 20 days this is a multi- budget cycle

[1:39:26] process and if we don't start that in Earnest right now even though we may not

[1:39:31] expect to pay for it in this budget cycle I think we need to start it um

[1:39:36] most definitely right away and if there's design dollars or engineering

[1:39:39] dollars that we need to spend then those dollars should be in this this budget if

[1:39:44] if they're not in there already I mean you need to have the funds that you need

[1:39:48] to spend with Design Consultants Sam whoever it is that you

[1:39:52] think you need to contract with once you make the decision of the funding source

[1:39:56] for example certificate of obligation um you pull the trigger Sam C can have it

[1:40:01] in next year's budget yeah so you and then you can start

[1:40:08] allocating design rfps rfqs to get people to come in to Do What U Chad is

[1:40:15] recommending I'll touch one more thing as far as uh impact fees go um just with

[1:40:21] some recent experience that I've had with a client

[1:40:23] that's done a development in Bastrop so Bastrop has impact fees that have been

[1:40:29] set and long story short in essence to build a single family home in Bastrop is

[1:40:35] going to cost you 15 I think it was $15,000 per house in Impact fees yeah

[1:40:41] have you done stuff in the Bron Falls it gets a lot higher it's ridiculous I mean

[1:40:45] they're all taking this philosophy that developers are going to pay 100% or as

[1:40:49] close to 100% of the cost as they can and uh you know when you look around you

[1:40:53] say well why are homes unaffordable you know it's not any one thing it's a death

[1:40:58] by a Thousand Cuts and that's a pretty deep cut 15 to 20,000 for an impact fee

[1:41:03] for a one house and you know my understanding is Bastrop is looking at

[1:41:09] going back to the drawing board on theirs which would imply they're not as

[1:41:12] high as they want it to be or need it to be rather

[1:41:17] so

[1:41:21] so I have a question Rob ber uh you said the parts for the blower blower parts

[1:41:26] have been ordered how much does that cost and where's that money come it's

[1:41:30] actually a a warranty item Edward isn't it it's a new it's a

[1:41:36] new yeah supply chain so yeah this is covered it we put it in a year a year

[1:41:43] ago a year and a half and it crapped out and so we're trying to get that

[1:41:47] replacement so it's already covered and do you think that we should immediately

[1:41:52] start look looking at these industrial users and see what impact they have

[1:41:58] that's that's part of a plan we'll we'll probably schedule or um uh get befco or

[1:42:04] someone to come take some samples Upstream Downstream see what what's

[1:42:08] happening so an industrial users do we have besides bone spirits and the uh

[1:42:14] Smithville lockers classifying industrial

[1:42:18] um if you're including the um uh the hospital that's not industrial but large

[1:42:23] users you're asking right non-residential it's all the typical

[1:42:29] suspects syex doesn't

[1:42:38] drop we can reserve an agenda item for next meeting to a general item to bring

[1:42:42] this back up sure you'll have the final you'll still be working on the final

[1:42:47] report and right yeah so from here you know hearing anything that we heard

[1:42:52] we'll probably get back in touch with Robert have a little brief conversation

[1:42:56] with him and then yeah our plan is to within the next month have a final or

[1:43:01] you know a final draft if you will probably put that in front of City staff

[1:43:05] let them review it see if there's anything that they think we need to

[1:43:07] elaborate on and then we'll we'll sign it to so Council and mayor if you would

[1:43:13] vote on that to go research certificate of obligations for

[1:43:17] $5 million send me on that you want a

[1:43:20] motion I'll make a motion mayor that we direct the city manager to go do the

[1:43:25] necessary research to explore a CO or other similar financing source for a

[1:43:30] five million do expenditure to bring the gazley up to speed I'll

[1:43:40] second motion's been made in second it all in

[1:43:43] favor Jennifer are you good can I ask one more question when you do the final

[1:43:48] report could you be as elaborative and as specific as you comfortable being uh

[1:43:55] about the current situation what the risk are for us so we have enough

[1:44:00] professional input that allows us to make a decision as a governing body sure

[1:44:05] thank you before you close Chad Paul outstanding work this is phenomenal

[1:44:11] amount of

[1:44:15] work I'm sorry

[1:44:23] well camera I prer to go yeah so people

[1:44:34] know Robert patillo at 606 Short Street um I have just one question because I I

[1:44:41] have no idea whether whoever whether your projections what your or your

[1:44:47] source of your projections are taking into are taking into account SE

[1:44:51] increasing civil uh sea level rise um with increasing sea level rise

[1:44:59] won't that also increase population growth out of

[1:45:04] necessity that's those are my my two

[1:45:09] questions so I guess relative to those questions I would

[1:45:14] say you know befco looked as far as growth rates are concerned at other

[1:45:20] sources if you will that are more in tune to rejecting those things than we

[1:45:24] are and I certainly can't speak to whether or not they Incorporated that

[1:45:27] that thought process in those um I would like to think in some ways our growth

[1:45:32] rate is is conservative but at the same time I thought vast drop's growth rates

[1:45:38] were overly conservative when I looked at those back in 2017 and I'm fairly

[1:45:42] confident they went past those thresholds um as as as far as any other

[1:45:48] impacts U groundwater wise obviously we're we're much we are higher than sea

[1:45:53] level as far as that goes and any groundwater impacts we are one of the

[1:45:57] things that I'm still working on the cost estimate is my understanding is one

[1:46:01] of the the couple lines that led over to Willow when they were first constructed

[1:46:04] did run into groundwater issues when those were constructed um trying to get

[1:46:09] a better idea of what that cost may be when we were to go in and and try to

[1:46:14] replace those lines so as far as you but that's not necessarily gerine to a sea

[1:46:19] level thought process

[1:46:26] that was my best Auctioneer best auctioner

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