[0:13] here. >> Commissioner Green

[0:14] » here.

[0:20] » I do. >> Commissioner McKenzie

[0:25] » here. >> Commissioner Ples

[0:26] » here. >> Commissioner Riley

[0:28] » here. Commissioner Taylor >> here.

[0:30] » Commissioner Vigil >> here.

[0:31] » And I am here as well. >> All right.

[0:35] » And just a reminder everyone, when you're ready to speak, make sure you're

[0:38] pushing on your mic so that everyone can hear you. I have a couple of

[0:42] announcements, but before we get to that, first I'd like to welcome Ann

[0:45] Condan, who is our new commissioner from Helsburg.

[0:51] Ann, we're going to put you on the spot. Would you like to take a couple minutes

[0:54] to introduce yourself and tell us about your interest in the library.

[1:01] » There you go. >> Oh, thank you. Okay. Uh yes. So, um I'm

[1:06] retired now and so I was looking to do something with the library. I was hoping

[1:10] to be able to do something at the library and I uh a friend actually

[1:15] pointed this the um posting out to me. So, I said, "Oh, that looks that looks

[1:20] interesting. Looks good. Able to contribute a little bit." So, uh, I

[1:25] ended up applying and so I, like I think I said, I I'm retired now, but, um, and

[1:31] I do have a master, my master's degree in library science, and I did work as a

[1:35] librarian at the Columbia High School for 10 years, but that was like quite a

[1:41] while ago. So, uh, in the meantime, I've been working as a business systems

[1:46] analyst. Um, so, and then that's that's what I retired from. But I'm just I've

[1:52] met a number of people. I attended the friends at the library at Hilsburg

[1:57] yesterday and I just everyone has been very welcoming and very nice and very

[2:03] um informative. So thanks to everyone.

[2:09] » Welcome. >> Okay, a couple other announcements.

[2:14] I want to appreciate Tina Poles for stepping into our new foundation

[2:18] leazison role. Thank you to Eve who has served in that role so capably. Uh and

[2:24] Tina will now be stepping in to do that. >> Wow. Great.

[2:28] » Yep. Um I also want to announce that I'm going to be forming another ad hoc

[2:32] committee. This one will be to review our bylaws. It's been almost 5 years

[2:35] since we've had those reviewed. So it's about time for us to do that. So if you

[2:39] have any interest in serving on a bylaws ad hoc committee, please go ahead and

[2:42] send me an email. Um, I'm taking volunteers before I have to volunte.

[2:48] [laughter]

[2:52] All right. Are there any other announcements?

[2:56] Okay, seeing none, uh, we are going to move on to public comments. Does anybody

[3:01] have any public comments? Anything online? All right, moving on.

[3:07] We have no presentations, so we are moving on to library reports. Director

[3:11] Tibo.

[3:18] Um, first of all, I want to thank all the commissioners who were able to make

[3:21] it to the ribbon cutting ceremony for the Rinken Valley Library. Um, if you

[3:26] have not yet seen it, please do visit. Um, it is lovely and I know that the

[3:31] community really appreciates the newly reimagined space. Um, and other

[3:36] announcements, uh, we are closing on Friday on our headquarters, uh, building

[3:42] in Paluma. Uh, Clint will be going over, uh, going down there to pick up keys and

[3:48] fobs, and we're working with the seller on the, uh, existing contracts for the

[3:53] building. Some of those we're probably going to keep, um, while we're in

[3:57] transition. Um, and, uh, you know, everything's just coming along quite

[4:02] smoothly with that. So,

[4:06] Does anybody have any questions for Dr. Tibot?

[4:10] Commissioner Polls, >> this is such great news. So, thank you

[4:15] so much. Um, quick question. Do we have a a date when this lease will end? When

[4:21] we'll only have one liability. >> So, that's a good question. So, our

[4:25] current lease our current lease expires at the end of this month, and I have

[4:30] been trying to get the landlord to uh to renegotiate for a one-year lease. Um, we

[4:36] sent a proposal over probably about a month ago, and we're waiting for some

[4:40] kind of response. Um, we will have something um by the end of the month

[4:46] and then it would expire then that one-year extension would expire um

[4:51] September 30th, 2027. and our architects um that we are working with. Um we are

[4:57] hoping to have all of the improvements done so that we can move in to the new

[5:02] building on October by October 1st of 2027.

[5:08] Any other questions for director? Okay, thank you so much.

[5:15] » Okay, moving on to budget and finance reports.

[5:20] MNA. Does anyone have any questions for MNA about the fiscal 2526 year end

[5:26] unodudited financials?

[5:30] » Do you have anything to add to your report?

[5:32] » Um yes, just one thing is is that nor uh

[5:37] every month you do receive a a fund balance report in the statement of u

[5:44] special fund activity. Uh during

[6:18] Any

[6:23] questions for MNA?

[6:27] Okay, thank you very much. Why don't you just stay and we'll roll into the next

[6:31] item. 6.2.2 update on the bond sale 2026.

[6:35] » Yes. Um, as you are aware, the bond sale took place on Thursday, uh, August 13th.

[6:42] It was a very successful, um, event, uh, for the library. Number one, it was the

[6:48] first time in its history that the library has uh issued a revenue bond um

[6:54] issuance um for a a very good cause to purchase

[6:59] the operation center in Pedaluma. Um what had what helped in the

[7:06] successful closing of um of this bond issuance was that the library received a

[7:15] d um double a plus credit rating by standard and pores ratings and uh it is

[7:23] better than we expected. uh they noted that uh the strong uh management and

[7:32] fiscal policies that are in place and just wanted to share that good news that

[7:39] it just underscores uh the good work that the finance committee that the full

[7:46] commission has uh done over the last several years to put things in order.

[7:52] And um so I just wanted to mention that and and thank you all for for partnering

[7:58] with with us and management to to uh secure this this uh double A+ credit

[8:05] rating. >> Congratulations. Incredible. Does

[8:08] anybody have any questions or comments? Oh, we got a bunch. Okay, we've got

[8:11] Commissioner McKenzie and then Commissioner Goldberg. Just wanted to

[8:14] comment um this was just a great impressive performance by our management

[8:22] team in particular and this the doublea bond rating as uh Marina would just

[8:27] pointed out was kind of unexpectedly high but also the benefit of that is

[8:32] that the the crossover period we were told going into this it would probably

[8:37] be about year six when it would cost less to buy than it does to rent. And

[8:43] because the financials are so strong, the credit rating was so high and it was

[8:48] it's only going to be four years now. So it's a very very impressive that for 26

[8:54] years we'll be paying less than we would be in rent to buy this building. So I

[8:59] just wanted to point that out. Again, kudos to our leadership for the great

[9:04] job that they did on this bond sale. >> Commissioner Goldberg. Thank you. Yeah,

[9:10] like Barbara, I don't actually have a question, but I just want to say great

[9:13] job and um you know how it is. The commission makes

[9:18] one hire. We have one employee and if I can't take credit for it, but the people

[9:26] on before me who hired Erica and and and Erica has many hires to do,

[9:34] but I don't know. Did you hire MNA? >> Ann did. Well, and did a good thing, so

[9:39] good and >> you were on my hiring committee.

[9:46] [laughter]

[9:53] » Obviously, just echoing um both what Eve and Barbara said, I just it's so amazing

[9:59] to work with you with the team and know that you feel in safe hands. The other

[10:03] thing that I think you did really well was especially on the finance committee

[10:06] when we had bond experts come in and really explain it. It it that was

[10:11] incredibly helpful. So I think you guys are also good about getting your

[10:14] additional help to make very complicated decisions. So I also want to commend you

[10:20] on that that I think bringing people in when it's an area you're not as solid in

[10:24] as you guys do a really good job at that. It's very helpful for the

[10:28] commissioners to feel like we're getting really good solid information to make

[10:32] decisions from. So, thank you. >> Great job.

[10:38] » Thank you. We we did uh uh secure municipal advisors in KN&N and bond uh

[10:48] um legal bond um council. So, uh very important. [laughter]

[10:56] Okay. Thank you so much. See there's one more.

[11:00] I think it's got Catherine's on it. Is it you?

[11:02] » Oh, Catherine. >> Yeah. Okay, we're going to move on to

[11:05] item 6.2.3, quarterly preparation transfers report. And uh I'm going to

[11:09] note that Commissioner Hamzy is clear for that.

[11:18] » Questions? There were no appropriations. >> Yeah.

[11:22] » Anybody have any questions for Katherine about it?

[11:25] There was nothing on the appropriations transfer. So

[11:28] » there is no. Yes. >> Great. Thank you.

[11:30] » Thank you. >> Okay. Do we Item number seven. Do we

[11:34] have any library advisory boards, Sonoma County Library Foundation or friends of

[11:37] the library here who'd like to speak? Hello Joe.

[11:41] Joe, would you mind introducing yourself and the branch the friends that you are

[11:45] representing? >> Hi, I'm Joe Seymour from the Friends of

[11:48] Santa Rosa Library. So we represent all of the branches in Santa Rosa. And just

[11:53] a quick announcement that uh Julia FZ and I swapped positions. She is now the

[11:58] vice president and I am the president. And we will have a new treasurer soon

[12:02] named Jim Dow. And we hope to see you all at our

[12:06] October sale. Any questions for me? >> But if you come to the central library

[12:11] at 10:00 on the day of the of the sale, you can't find parking. [laughter]

[12:16] There's a line down the block to get into the library.

[12:20] Well, our next sale is at the Veterans Building and there's plenty of free

[12:24] parking.

[12:27] » Congratulations on your promotion. [laughter]

[12:31] » Okay, moving on to the consent calendar. Item number eight. These matters include

[12:35] routine financial and administrative actions that may be approved by

[12:38] consensus. Any commission member or member of the public may request that an

[12:42] item be removed from the consent calendar and have it placed for the

[12:44] action items. The commission will approve the minutes of the prior

[12:47] meetings in summary format. Any questions on the consent calendar?

[12:53] » I move um adoption of the consent calendar.

[12:57] » All right. Do we have any public comment?

[13:00] » All righty. Commissioner Condom. >> You voted yes or no.

[13:07] » Vote. >> Commissioner Goldberg.

[13:09] » Yes. >> Commissioner Green.

[13:11] » Yes. >> Commissioner Hamsey,

[13:12] » yes. >> Commissioner McKenzie,

[13:13] » yes. >> Commissioner Ples, yes.

[13:15] » Commissioner Riley, >> yes. Commissioner Taylor,

[13:18] » yes. >> Commissioner Vigil,

[13:20] » yes. >> And I will make it unanimous. Thank you.

[13:24] » Okay. Moving into action items by motion. Item number 9.1, we have an

[13:29] amendment to the fiscal year 2526 budget.

[13:33] MNA, you're back up. >> You have anything to add to your report,

[13:38] MNA? This is the item that I uh mentioned in

[13:44] the earlier that uh we're making adjustment budget adjustments uh as

[13:49] we're reconciling our capital fun. >> Any questions for MNA on this item?

[13:59] Any public comment? May I have a motion?

[14:03] » Motion to approve. >> Is there a second?

[14:06] » Second. >> Thank you. Okay. Okay, roll call vote.

[14:09] Commissioner Condan, >> yes.

[14:11] » Commissioner Goldberg, >> yes.

[14:12] » Commissioner Green, >> yes.

[14:14] » Commissioner Hamsey, >> yes.

[14:15] » Commissioner McKenzie, >> yes.

[14:17] » Commissioner Ples, >> yes.

[14:19] » Commissioner Riley, >> yes.

[14:20] » Commissioner Taylor, >> yes.

[14:21] » Commissioner Vigil, >> yes.

[14:23] » I will make it unanimous. >> I mean, we're good.

[14:29] » Our meetings aren't usually this smooth. >> Don't jinx us. Wait, wait till we get to

[14:33] labor negotiations. >> Good for chasing us. Okay. [laughter]

[14:39] Item 9.2, approval of COY live scan management and use policy. Suzanne, do

[14:46] you have anything to add to your report? >> No, I do not.

[14:50] » Okay. Does anybody have any questions for Suzanne?

[14:55] » Commissioner Taylor, >> do we Excuse me. Do we know yet who is

[15:00] going to be appointed CR? Um,

[15:04] actually I am the co. Yes, there we go.

[15:10] » Anybody else? Commissioner Green, did you have a question?

[15:12] » No, I just was ready to make a motion. If we're ready to approve,

[15:16] » do we have any public comment? I'll take your motion. Do we have a

[15:21] second? >> Second.

[15:24] » Okay. Commissioner Condan. >> Commissioner Goldberg.

[15:28] » Yes. >> Commissioner Green?

[15:29] » Yes. >> Commissioner Hamsey?

[15:31] » Yes. Yes. Commissioner McKenzie, >> yes.

[15:32] » Commissioner Ples, >> yes.

[15:34] » Commissioner Riley, >> yes.

[15:36] » Commissioner Taylor, >> yes.

[15:38] » Commissioner Vigil, >> yes.

[15:39] » And I'll make it unanimous. Thank you, Suzanne.

[15:43] » Moving on to item 9.3, authorizing the execution of agreements and purchasing

[15:47] amounts for the Rosland Library Project. Clint, do you have anything to add to

[15:52] your report? >> All right. Does anybody have any

[15:55] questions for Clint?

[15:59] All right. Any public comment? I will take a motion.

[16:07] Okay, we have a motion and a second. >> Second.

[16:10] » Thank you very much. >> Commissioner Condan,

[16:13] » yes. >> Commissioner Goldberg,

[16:16] » yes. Commissioner Green, >> yes.

[16:17] » Commissioner Hamsey, >> yes.

[16:19] » Commissioner McKenzie, >> yes.

[16:20] » Commissioner BS, >> yes.

[16:22] » Commissioner Riley, >> yes.

[16:24] » Commissioner Taylor, >> yes.

[16:25] » Commissioner Vigil, >> yes.

[16:27] » And I will make it unanimous. Moving on to item 9.4.

[16:32] [laughter] You don't really want to be on.

[16:36] » What else? >> Comprehensive operational and

[16:38] organizational analysis. Darra, do you have anything to add to your report?

[16:43] » I don't have anything to add, but happy to take questions.

[16:47] Commissioner McKenzie. >> Yes, thank you. Um, this was something

[16:52] that the commission has talked about for ages and ages. I'm really really happy

[16:57] to see that you've got this organized. It's going to be professionally done. Um

[17:02] I was uh just I be wondering about accommodations given the fact that Roner

[17:07] Park's going to be closed during that first era of you know of the analysis

[17:12] and visiting libraries on site. And I also um wanted

[17:19] to ask about um

[17:24] on page 67 it talks about uh the practical approach grounded in data and

[17:31] the practical experience of employees and performing the work. I was wondering

[17:35] I didn't I don't think I saw anything hidden here about considerations of the

[17:38] size and the layout of the different facilities because they vary so much and

[17:42] I wonder if you could maybe comment on that. And then I had a third one, a

[17:46] third question. Um, and I I hesitate to ask this because I'm sure it'll be no,

[17:51] but is there any role the commissioners are going to have at all in this? I only

[17:56] bring it up just in kind of in terms of maybe observations that we have made

[18:00] over time of whether there might be some feedback that we might you know offer in

[18:07] terms of you know when the the professionals are you know doing the

[18:11] interviews and stuff like that. >> [clears throat]

[18:13] » Okay. Um, so for Oh, I'll take them one at a time. Um, Ron Park with them being

[18:19] closed, that's being considered. It's already been uh talked about the fact

[18:22] that they'll be in the visits after January. So once they're reopened, we'll

[18:28] be able to assess them in the same way we do the other locations. And I also

[18:32] want to add Sebastapole will also be done after it reopens as well. So those

[18:38] two branches and we know they're very busy branches and so we made it very

[18:42] clear to the consultant that we needed them to be evaluated when they were at

[18:46] their full capacity not their reduced capacity.

[18:51] And in terms of size and variation um while not so much in their report um

[18:57] it's it was discussed and that is something that is so unique to each

[19:02] place. It's kind of a casebyase basis. Does that make sense for

[19:08] And um in terms of uh the commissioners, we haven't even had that discussion. So

[19:14] so much is relying on today and approval before we go back and really have

[19:18] conversations about planning. Um but I don't see why they couldn't be part of a

[19:23] focus group or something to that effect.

[19:31] » Just back to the facilities just briefly. Um

[19:35] obviously like a bigger library takes you know more staff to just you know

[19:39] cover the space and everything. So are you're saying that they're going to

[19:44] after their visits they'll be able to they'll include that in there. So it's

[19:48] not just going to be based on circulation and all that kind of stuff

[19:51] that physical space is definitely going to be part of the consideration.

[19:54] » Certainly uh physical space is going to be part of that study uh along with

[19:59] community um analytics that they'll be running as well. There is a in their

[20:04] examples um while it was a different uh area of focus they worked with um San

[20:10] Francisco it was to assess uh best times to be open but even in that report

[20:17] there's some consideration for location size and that count is so much dependent

[20:23] on what the facility can actually allow. Thank you.

[20:28] » Okay. I saw we have Commissioner Green, Commissioner Hamsey and Commissioner

[20:34] Just a quick comment uh how much I appreciate the clarity about uh our same

[20:40] open hours throughout the system. That was my only concern and I think this

[20:45] information is going to be very helpful.

[20:50] » Hi. Um I'd be curious about what the folks who are engaging with the

[20:53] scheduling on like a daily basis maybe think about this coming up. Is it

[20:57] something that might be feeling like they're evaluated in like a negative way

[21:00] or how are they being approached? >> That was one reason we chose the group

[21:04] we went with. Um they're very much looking at it as working together with

[21:10] our staff to develop tools that will make it easier for everyone um

[21:16] regardless of position to understand how we arrive at the expectations based on

[21:21] the facility, based on the staffing, based on the community needs. Um so

[21:25] they'll they we want them to feel like they are part of this. Um and there will

[21:32] be discussions and um ruling it out and um we'll work tight closely I think with

[21:39] this group to make sure that no one feels um scrutinized in any way.

[21:45] » Um do you know how we might be doing that? Like is it a an open discussion

[21:49] with folks a survey or >> Yes. So, as they are located at the

[21:54] different locations, they'll really be there like observing tell um whether I'm

[22:02] trying to think of an example to make it more clear, but if they're at the

[22:05] circulation desk really just hanging out talking to people, uh getting a feel for

[22:10] is this a typical day? You know, what are the highs and lows? What what drives

[22:16] uh some of your uh patrons in and out of the building depending on location

[22:20] perhaps? So the it will really be a chance for staff to talk a lot about

[22:26] themselves and their positions and um that will really lead to uh better

[22:34] informing us of how we're doing as management as well. So that's that's the

[22:39] goal. We want it to work on all levels. We want tools and uh we want to make

[22:45] sure we're we're hitting the community needs and uh it will also give staff um

[22:53] I think it'll be beneficial to staff to have some planning and seeing how that

[22:57] process goes.

[23:01] » Commissioner FS first. Um I know this is you're looking at this

[23:06] will look at what's happening currently and you're also looking into future

[23:10] future >> proposals or future thoughts. How long

[23:14] does usually that is valid? Is it five years, three years? I mean how long do

[23:19] you really have to do this again? I guess is

[23:21] » I I would say a lot longer than that once in place. Um the situ for us it's

[23:28] very we're a unique organization. um we were several um individual libraries

[23:33] with different habits and procedures at each location that came together as a

[23:39] JPA. So it's very contractual initially and as we've grown we've become more of

[23:46] a library system and we're wanting to evaluate and make because we're we're

[23:53] doing different things across our locations and we want to create metrics

[24:00] and uniformity and we'll be really comparing ourselves also to other

[24:06] libraries and their processes and procedures. So once in place, unless we

[24:10] had a another doubling of um employees or something like that, um I don't

[24:15] anticipate it would really have to be re-evaluated outside of the library

[24:20] system. I think then administration and staff would be able to do it in house.

[24:27] » Sure. >> Vigil and then Commissioner McKenzie.

[24:29] » So you excuse me, we talk about the tools that they're going to provide.

[24:32] What what are those going to look like? of that software and and and in that

[24:37] context uh do I've been out of libraries for a while. Uh do is there anything

[24:44] available like CRM or ERP for for libraries that seems to me would have

[24:49] been doing all this sort of thing already tracking

[24:53] » I don't know the accuracy >> ERP is enterprise resource planning and

[24:57] CRM is customer relationship management. >> Okay.

[25:00] » Yeah. All the corporations use those kinds of things and they pretty much

[25:03] have a real handle on what everybody's doing and how efficient they are and so

[25:07] forth. Is something like that available for libraries

[25:11] » or they're going to provide something like that for us with at the end of

[25:14] this? >> Yeah. Yeah. Well,

[25:18] » without exactly what you're speaking to as far as tools. Um, no, this is

[25:25] » I would say more of an overall assessment of operations. So, as far as

[25:30] tools we use, we probably already have a lot of the tools we use. For instance,

[25:36] um, library IQ, if we're looking at stats.

[25:40] So, it would be things that we already have, but we'd be just looking at our

[25:44] operations and how we use the tools after assessing

[25:50] a bigger picture. >> I guess well, I think so. I mean to

[25:56] answer your question directly, we don't actually use any of those tools

[25:58] currently. >> Okay.

[25:59] » Um we're kind of a um you know, we're a we're an organization that is maturing,

[26:05] but it really lacks a lot of the infrastructure that it needs in order to

[26:08] be more successful. And that's one of the reasons why we wanted to do this. Um

[26:13] they I mean one of the things that they're going to be looking at is like

[26:16] scheduling practices across the system because every branch schedules

[26:19] differently. and they might come up with a set of recommendations that could be

[26:24] um implemented systemwide about how to schedule. Um looking at things like the

[26:29] busiest days, the number of hours that they're open, um you know, programming

[26:34] needs and and really scheduling based upon those kinds of issues. Um you know,

[26:41] we it'll be very interesting to to us to see what they come up with. Um but

[26:46] really you know providing the branch managers with tools to help them guide

[26:50] their decision- making um will be very helpful and it will be very helpful for

[26:54] us to kind of have a better understanding of what happens day-to-day

[26:58] at some of our branches. Um we already know that with the heels or with the um

[27:02] Sebast closure and the Roner Park closure, you know, staff are being

[27:06] reassigned other locations and we're hearing informally that um they are

[27:10] learning things um among them that some locations are more efficient than others

[27:15] and so really looking for those best practices. uh what we what can we learn

[27:20] from one branch that we can take to the other branches um to kind of you know

[27:25] streamline things and make them a little bit more um efficient. I mean in the

[27:29] broader context of where where the question was going from from my

[27:32] perspective is that it won't be very long before a AI will be coming in and

[27:37] doing these kinds of things and and how are we going to interface that

[27:44] » I don't know that when you have a human- centered organization that AI is going

[27:49] to come in and help uh look at workplace analysis. Um I think that from the

[27:56] operations and procedures it's still um for a long time to operate well okay

[28:04] » it's going to be human- centered especially

[28:08] public libraries I mean that that is what we are is public service and I

[28:12] don't see >> I I I have not yet experienced AI um

[28:18] coming into play where I have thought wow this is better customer service as

[28:23] of

[28:25] Thanks, >> Commissioner McKenzie.

[28:28] » Thank you. Um, a little bit of silver lining it sounds like with the closures

[28:33] and the this staff learning either, you know, that's really kind of interesting.

[28:37] Um, my question specifically is about programming and I know when I read

[28:42] through this there's, you know, there's like how much time do you spend on

[28:44] programming kind of analysis, but um, I've never quite understood how we do

[28:50] programming either. There seemed to be some systemwide programming and then

[28:53] some individual branch programming and then and that makes a lot of difference

[28:57] whether the it's you know like the uh children you know like the baby reading

[29:03] time which is kind of consistent the same person comes in and you know takes

[29:07] kind of takes care of everything when you have outside programming like you

[29:10] have the symphony come in you know it's kind of really different in terms of

[29:13] introductions and you know the staff demands are different and um you know

[29:19] I'm just is that gonna get to that level or is that going to be a separate study?

[29:24] » So, surprising that you ask that. Um, we just received the benchmark assessment

[29:30] from the Ivy group which was phase two of the strategic plan and um we will be

[29:35] including that in your um October meeting packet. But one of the things

[29:39] that they um noted was that we actually provide a high level of programming. We

[29:44] provide more programs than branches that are very similar in size to us. But the

[29:49] attendance at our programs is not as high as it could be. So one of the

[29:52] things we will be we will be providing the consultants with all the information

[29:56] that we received on the strategic plan and we may end up deciding that we want

[30:01] to look at our programming and see what programs are not successful and figure

[30:06] out if they need to be tweaked or retoled or if they need to be sunsetted.

[30:11] So that will be one of the things that you know we will at the end of this

[30:16] process um we hope to have some recommendations to see you know how are

[30:21] we spending our time is it a good use of our time could we be doing other things

[30:26] um that are more impactful those are really what we're hoping to get out of

[30:29] this >> let me just follow up the question so so

[30:33] when this study is done will we

[30:39] know more about the programming thing or is that going to be kind going to

[30:41] separate after the >> I'm not sure that it will be specific on

[30:44] the programming, but I think we will have data. We will have data that we can

[30:49] use to evaluate our programming and whether or not it is, you know,

[30:54] accomplishing what we want it to accomplish.

[30:56] » So, as a person who's going to lot a lot of programming in our library, that when

[31:00] I was talking about the commissioner input, that's something I would like to

[31:03] offer some observations if that would be helpful.

[31:08] » Commissioner Pulse. Um, the other question I have is I'm hearing about

[31:13] looking at things that potentially could be more efficient

[31:16] um, systemwide and totally agree with that, but I'm thinking about one of our

[31:21] focuses that came out of the Ivy Group, which is about being hyper local. And so

[31:25] I'm just wondering how we're going to balance that focus of hyper local, which

[31:29] implies each individual branch having its localess or lack of a better word,

[31:35] whatever that is. And how are we going to balance those two things which can be

[31:39] in direct you know what what is perceived as systemwide useful versus

[31:43] » well and that's why we'll be doing the analytics for each individual community

[31:47] because what we might discover is um programming that's really popular at

[31:52] Central doesn't go well at Roner Park and that the audiences are different and

[31:57] the demographics are different. So, it will stay um geared to meet all those

[32:05] community needs, but it will still give us an overall assessment for the

[32:10] organization, but also those tools we can point to to say this is why we're

[32:16] structuring things this way. >> And I can think of for an example, a

[32:20] tool that we might develop would be a criteria for evaluating program

[32:24] effectiveness. Um, and that would not be specific. I mean, that would be a tool

[32:29] that could be used systemwide, but we could use it at each location to

[32:34] determine if the programming is meeting the needs of the community. So, that

[32:37] would be like one tangible outcome that we might have as a result of this.

[32:45] Any other questions? Any public comment?

[32:51] All right. Is there a motion? Oh. Uh move to approve this motion and

[33:00] get this going. >> Seconded.

[33:05] » We'll do a roll call vote. Commissioner Condan,

[33:07] » yes. >> Commissioner Goldberg,

[33:09] » yes. >> Commissioner Green,

[33:10] » yes. >> Commissioner Hamzah,

[33:11] » yes. >> Commissioner McKenzie,

[33:13] » yes. >> Commissioner Polls,

[33:14] » yes. >> Commissioner Riley,

[33:16] » yes. >> Commissioner Taylor,

[33:17] » yes. >> Commissioner Vigil,

[33:18] » yes. >> And I'll make it unanimous. Thank you

[33:21] very much. Moving on to item 9.5, budget adjustment

[33:25] in fiscal year 27 for revenue bond series 2026 and acquisition of 1400

[33:30] North McDow Boulevard Pedaluma. MNA, do you have anything to add to your report?

[33:38] No, the these are the accounting um entries that uh are required to

[33:48] these are the accounting entries that are required to record the um the

[33:54] closing of the bond and the asset that we're acquiring.

[34:00] » Any questions for MNA? >> Yeah. Visual available now to the

[34:05] public. No, the bond issuance was uh completed.

[34:12] It took place on August 13 and it closed um uh on the 27th of this no of August.

[34:21] Well, already September and and all the and all the proceeds were distributed.

[34:27] So, it's >> already they went retail already and

[34:31] sold. Yes, they went public and went through that whole process. Yes. So,

[34:37] it's actually it's very, you know, it is a complex process. That's why we hired

[34:42] KN&N, our municipal adviserss. They um they shepherd the whole process. They

[34:49] work with um brokers. So, they first have to post it um through a mediary

[34:56] that that's where bonds are posted for the public to see. Um and then brokers

[35:04] are are looking at that the eval they use the the our credit rating um they

[35:10] research the library and um they and then in that public posting we say the

[35:17] pricing will take place on August 13. So there is um a system in place where

[35:26] these brokers log in, they have an account, they log in, they submit their

[35:30] proposal and we can see it happening on the

[35:34] screen when their proposals come in and we could see how much what their what

[35:38] their proposal is and uh we received nine proposals

[35:44] um and the I think the highest one was at 4.29% to 9% interest. Uh, and the

[35:52] lowest was the one we received at 4.04% interest and we went with that UBS was

[36:00] um the winner.

[36:05] Commissioner Goldberg, Peter, I don't know if you meant this, but I was going

[36:09] to ask, so I was telling my financial guy all

[36:13] about this exciting thing, and he said, "Well, you have a bond account. Do you

[36:16] want to get in, you know, any of this? And I said, "None at all." You know, but

[36:21] isn't that what you meant? Like the small public, you know, people

[36:31] » and I said, "Well, I don't know. I can't find it. I'll ask when I come through."

[36:34] But I maybe >> had a retail market

[36:37] » people. >> Yeah. you could have 10 hours.

[36:42] » Well, I think it what what happens is that um this is posted and anyone so if

[36:50] for example your institutions are members of a brokerage then that's how

[36:56] they would access it. >> Yes. You also want to think about the

[37:01] reporting you're going to have to do and the

[37:04] » the conflict of interest you're going to have.

[37:08] » Yes. if you think about that. So, >> it

[37:13] » any other questions? Okay. Any public comment?

[37:18] May I have a motion?

[37:24] » We have a second. >> Second.

[37:26] » Thank you. Take a roll call vote. Commissioner Condan,

[37:29] » yes. >> Commissioner Goldberg,

[37:30] » yes. >> Commissioner Green,

[37:31] » yes. >> Commissioner Hamzah,

[37:33] » yes. >> Commissioner McKenzie,

[37:34] » yes. >> Commissioner Ples,

[37:35] » yes. >> Commissioner Riley,

[37:37] » yes. Commissioner Taylor, >> yes.

[37:38] » Commissioner Vigil, >> yes.

[37:40] » I will make it unanimous. >> All right. Item number 9.6, approval of

[37:45] PSA with group for architecture for library operations center. Director

[37:49] Tabau, do you have anything to add to your report?

[37:52] » Um, no. I just want to reiterate that um, you know, some of the financials

[37:56] that you see in this document include a you know, a construction budget of about

[38:01] 3.2 million. Um, that is not the project budget. Um the project budget will

[38:05] include this uh this amount. It will also include the ADA um assessment which

[38:11] we are actually engaged uh Bureau Veritas um who did all of our ADA

[38:16] assessments for the facilities master plan. It will include moving costs. It

[38:20] will include permit fees. that will include some FFN um some other kind of

[38:26] minor um expenses and we will be bringing a total project budget to you

[38:31] all um probably sometime late fall, November, December once our architect

[38:37] feels, you know, confident um in the in the budget. And so we will bring that

[38:42] request to you um at the end of the of the calendar year um when we feel more

[38:47] certain about what the costs will be. So, right now I'm just asking you to

[38:51] approve the the um the project uh the the the budget for um the architectural

[38:57] services. >> Any questions? Commissioner McKenzie?

[39:01] » Yes. I just wanted to point out u as you pointed out in your report that it's

[39:05] really nice to have had this already established relationship with this group

[39:10] and they they know us and they you know our facilities. They've learned a lot

[39:14] about what our priorities are and all that stuff. So, it was a nice smooth

[39:18] transition into this and I fully support the contract. Thank you.

[39:25] » Any other questions or comments? Any public comment?

[39:30] Is there a motion? >> So moved.

[39:34] » Is there a second? >> All right. Thank you very much. Roll

[39:37] call vote. Commissioner Condan, >> yes.

[39:39] » Commissioner Goldberg, >> yes.

[39:40] » Commissioner Green, >> yes. Commissioner Hamzah,

[39:43] » yes. >> Commissioner McKenzie,

[39:44] » yes. Commissioner Polls, >> yes. Commissioner Riley,

[39:47] » yes. >> Commissioner Taylor,

[39:48] » yes. >> Commissioner Vigil,

[39:50] » yes. >> We'll make it unanimous.

[39:52] » Okay, moving on to item 11. Commissioner and Le on reports. Does anyone have

[39:57] anything they'd like to add to their commissioner reports? Commissioner

[39:59] McKenzie and Commissioner Riley. I made a little tiny mistake on my

[40:05] report. Uh the very last item on my report, the dates actually the 14th, and

[40:11] I I didn't have that's correct. And I also uh wanted to say I didn't do a big

[40:16] blurb about history day, but we had a really uh very exciting history day. We

[40:22] had a huge turnout, 140ome people, and this was a co-sponsored event, the first

[40:27] one I've been involved with where the library was co-sponsor with the Rener

[40:31] Park archives group and the Katy Historical Society. We had a just a

[40:34] really good turnout. Was a really good experience. I really appreciate the

[40:38] staff work on that. They were they were involved in the graphics design and it

[40:43] was great. We had got the use of the room for free, the audio visual support

[40:47] and all that. It was just a really good combination of people. I really uh

[40:51] encourage anyone who wants to do an event with the Sonoma County Libraries

[40:55] that co-sponsor. It was very a very positive experience. And and lastly, I

[40:59] have about 10 very cool bags left that have the cool History Day logo on it and

[41:05] Tina is getting one of them. And anyway, I I have them in the car, so if you'd

[41:11] like one, let me know. Thank you very much.

[41:13] » Go to your car at the end of the meeting and maybe get something out of the

[41:16] front. >> Any other updates?

[41:21] Yeah, go ahead, Commissioner. >> Um, I just wanted to mention I didn't

[41:25] submit a written report, so uh correcting my oversight now just to say

[41:29] that this will be my last in-person meeting of the year. I will be missing

[41:33] next month's meeting uh and joining remotely after that uh for very good

[41:37] reasons. I have major surgery planned in October. I'm sad to miss everybody at

[41:42] the staff day. Um I'm looking forward to catching that in 2027. Um uh this is

[41:47] expected planned for uh this is gender related stuff. It is wonderful. It is

[41:51] life affirming and um I just look forward to seeing you all on the other

[41:54] side of it.

[41:59] » Hope it goes well. Anybody else?

[42:04] Commissioner McKenzie, do you have anything to add to the finance committee

[42:06] report? >> Uh, I tried to add more verbiage this

[42:12] time like I did last time. It's more than action minutes. I wanted to spell

[42:15] out how impressive the bond sale was and the work that went into it. And um,

[42:21] other than that, I hope everybody reads it. And uh, again, congratulations our

[42:26] leadership team. Okay. Commissioner Green, do you have

[42:31] anything to add to the Snow County Historic Records?

[42:33] » I do not. >> Goldberg, do you have anything to add to

[42:36] your last foundation leazison report? >> Nope.

[42:40] » I'm shedding these skins. Thank you.

[42:45] » I love it. Okay. Are there any agenda items for future commission meetings?

[42:52] » Oh. Uh, Commissioner Mackenzie, did you have anything to add for the report? I

[42:55] missed that. >> Yes,

[42:56] » there is no report. I didn't submit a written report for the measure Y

[43:00] committee. I never think that I need to do that, but I would like to report just

[43:03] briefly on the measure Y committee. Um the um I do a report in case someone

[43:10] else takes over this liaison at some point in time. Uh it's kind of focused

[43:14] on the commissioner's report and I so I updated everybody about Rinka Valley

[43:18] being back open and great use of measure Y money. Uh that RER park is going to be

[43:23] closed. talked about the bond sale and the great

[43:27] job everybody did on that and that there were four new commissioners on our on

[43:31] our commission. Um, one of the things that comes out of that then is the

[43:35] direct the way the measure wide committee is set up is that as you know

[43:39] as commissioners we appoint our person to be to to be on the the measure wide

[43:45] committee. So there were two people on the measure wide committee who have just

[43:49] done a ton of work. Mike Neely from Windsor and Janice Brokoff from Runner

[43:54] Park and they have been on that committee since day one. Um anyway, I

[43:59] got the meeting looking around. Where's Mike Neely? Well, because Deborah Doyle

[44:04] is no longer in the commission. Mike's gone. And it just it's kind of just like

[44:08] you just drop into this, you know, vacuum, you know, you just disappear.

[44:13] And so it seems wrong somehow the people who have done so much work for them. So

[44:17] anyway, we talked about that at the end of the meeting and I think uh these two

[44:21] folks at least these two folks will be called back and invited to uh you know

[44:25] at least thanked and acknowledged for the work that they have done. So it is

[44:29] just kind of a quirk uh and so all of you who are who are brand new and I'm

[44:33] assuming either have appointed or will will be appointing your your new um

[44:39] person for the measure Y committee. It's a pretty steep learning curve and um

[44:43] there's a lot you have to learn the reports and all that stuff and it just

[44:46] meets I think it's quarterly. So, a couple of the people I've talked

[44:50] to on there go, you know, it's kind of hard to, you know, start from zero and

[44:54] then, you know, know what we're doing here. And um so anyway, it's just it's

[44:58] an interest committee. It's important committee. Um they made the point that

[45:02] since we have this great, you know, allocation formula that um our CFO came

[45:07] up with a few years ago. The questions about how how measure Y money are spent

[45:12] are not nearly as, you know, as frequent. it's much more formulated and

[45:18] you know and clear which is all you know great but anyway just I wanted to to

[45:23] point that out in terms of the measure Y committee that these are volunteers and

[45:28] um come in and look over the reports and go home but I they're they're engaged

[45:33] for important reason um I'm not sure about the um it's just the role has

[45:39] changed I would say over the last number of years so I anyway I just want to

[45:42] point that out and I'll see if there were any questions

[45:46] Commissioner Fos and then Fisher Vigil. >> Um

[45:49] if like just using that example of Windsor and Debbie leaving, couldn't the

[45:54] new Windsor commissioner appoint that person back in?

[45:57] » They can. They have to reapply. I think there's a certain uh sense of things

[46:04] ending at least with with Janice and and Mike. Um you know, but but no, they

[46:09] definitely can't be reappointed. >> What do you mean re I think they apply.

[46:14] You just appoint them. >> Well, they have to tell you that they're

[46:17] interested or you go find somebody

[46:23] » wanted to be reappointed. I'm sure he could go to the to the new WSOR

[46:26] commissioner and say, "Peter, would you please reappoint me?"

[46:30] » Commissioner Vigil. >> Yeah. So, the measure Y comm is new to

[46:33] me. So the measure the measure Y committee that I mean what what response

[46:39] » it was written in when the measure Y when we put that on the ballot um it was

[46:44] to give confidence to the public that the money would be spent as we said it

[46:48] was going to be there was an expenditure plan and pointed out you know this is

[46:52] what we're going to spend the money on and so then you have the citizen

[46:55] oversight. It's pretty common for, you know, bond, you know, measures like

[47:00] this, tax measures. It's a it's a confidence building. It's make, you

[47:04] know, voters feel like, you know, well, they're not going to take this money and

[47:07] pay off their pension plans or something. Somebody's actually going to

[47:10] keep an eye on it. It was very important, I think, to to help get get

[47:14] the measure passed in the first place. And again, I think it was more critical

[47:18] in in the beginning um when we were just getting started with how to spend the

[47:23] money, >> right? And you know a lot of the money

[47:25] ended up on you know staffing because >> who generates the information that that

[47:30] goes to the committee? >> The staff generates the information

[47:32] » and then what what authority does the committee have if they don't like what

[47:35] they see >> they put it in their report. They're

[47:38] they're basically one job is to meet you know quarterly and then do an annual

[47:42] report. The annual report I mean I think you're getting to something fundamental.

[47:46] the annual report is based on information that they get from staff,

[47:49] but of course they're free to ask any questions or you know anything like that

[47:53] and um but the the annual reports kind of have pointed out over time basically

[47:59] what the money's been spent for. In in my time on the commission there have

[48:03] been not serious questions about it. I think the only questions were early on

[48:07] about spending the money on facilities and because the money kind of built up a

[48:11] lot over time but hadn't been spent. You know, when are you going to spend this

[48:14] money and then we have >> So, so do they need a quorum?

[48:19] » They do. Yeah. >> Yes.

[48:20] » And if they don't have it, what happens? >> They have to adjourn the meeting.

[48:23] They're a Brown Act body. >> And so then, so their stamp of approval

[48:29] or their objections don't go into the record.

[48:32] » No. Um so they generally have a few uh months to write the report and they have

[48:37] a a small >> but if they don't have a forum how do

[48:38] they write the report? >> So they have a small group that is not

[48:42] it's smaller than the total quorum. So they have you know two or three people

[48:46] that write the report. They bring the report to the, you know, to the meeting

[48:50] and then they vote on the report. And if if at that meeting there isn't a quorum,

[48:54] then they schedule another meeting until they have a quorum and they're able to

[48:58] vote on the report and then they present the report to the library commission

[49:02] because they're an independent committee. Um, you know, they are, you

[49:06] know, free to put whatever they want in the report. Um, and the commission has

[49:11] little um little oversight over what goes in the report, right?

[49:15] » Yeah. They they just accept it. >> Commissioner Goldberg.

[49:20] » Um well, I just want to say I don't know if Peter, Josh, and an how much you've

[49:27] been told about the Measure Y, which I guess is measure W committee now. Um but

[49:32] you all have to appoint somebody to it. And you know, judging from what Barbara

[49:36] said about the steep learning curve, and I know that my it took me three

[49:40] appointees to find one that stuck. You know, they went there, they figured out

[49:44] what it was, and they're like, Um, so I think it's really important to

[49:50] talk to them and and for us ourselves to know what goes on there. Um, and to

[49:55] really tell your potential appointee what it's like. I wound up going to one

[49:59] of the meetings one time. Um, and it was really helpful to see how they

[50:04] functioned and what it was. Um, my appointee that did stick um, she told me

[50:09] a couple of times we're were neighbors. um wow this learning curve is steep and

[50:14] wow I don't really know what's going on and wow I don't really know how to

[50:17] contribute um so anything we can do to help them and maybe maybe a great thing

[50:23] to do is to try to connect them up with the outgoing measure W person who's been

[50:28] around in their position or you know I kept telling my person um talk to the

[50:33] chair talk to the chair give her a call meet with her I mean she's great the the

[50:38] chair she's great but I don't know how much time she has to meet with

[50:41] everybody. Um, so we probably have to step up a little more than we have to

[50:48] » for for for new appointee. >> So are there rules and regulations on

[50:51] this uh committee? W >> for why?

[50:55] » Yes, >> there is. So when we pass the ballot

[50:57] measure, there's an expenditure plan and you know basically the library has to

[51:01] stick within the within the expenditure plan. It's very clear the money can be

[51:04] spent on hiring staff, it can be spent on facilities, it can be spent on

[51:08] programming. So what um the accounting staff does is the accounting staff

[51:12] provides them with financial reports that that explicitly show how the sales

[51:18] tax uh money is spent and then um and then that includes you know how much

[51:24] they spend on programming, how much they spend on staff, how much they spent on

[51:28] buildings. And so what the what the report kind of subcommittee does is they

[51:33] take all that financial information and then they turn it into a narrative um

[51:38] and they produce a set of recommendations at the end.

[51:41] » All the information in the budget. >> No, because the budget is forward

[51:46] looking and the measure Y is um looking at the previous year. So they're looking

[51:50] so >> yes

[51:54] they come and do a report every year. the measure Y committee.

[51:58] » Did I get it yet? >> You haven't been with us long enough.

[52:01] » Oh, okay. >> So, for example,

[52:02] » how do I appoint somebody if I don't know what I'm appointing them to?

[52:05] » So, in part of your orientation, they'll walk you through that.

[52:08] » Who what orientation is this? >> Le Lisa,

[52:12] » I'm going to hand you. >> So, I guess there there are two things I

[52:18] wanted to to talk about. The orientation's one of them, too. But um

[52:22] when a commissioner is departing, like if they're outgoing, they're not reapp

[52:28] getting reappointed or what have you. Um we've had three that that just left,

[52:34] their terms ended and they did not continue. So I reached out to them and

[52:38] said, um your term's ending, that means your measure Y appointment is going to

[52:44] end at the same time. Can you please reach out to that appointee letting them

[52:49] know their term is going to expire and then ask them if they want to be

[52:54] considered for reappointment to let you know to to let that

[52:59] commissioner know or to let me know so we could try and get them connected with

[53:03] the new commissioner. So that worked really well with uh Josh

[53:08] um because Evet Miner is a chair and she wants she wanted to continue because she

[53:14] has a lot of knowledge. So I worked with Jo, you know, like let's see, David

[53:18] Cahill said Evette wanted to continue. So then I reached out to Josh and said,

[53:23] "What what do you want to do?" And so we we worked it out. We

[53:27] » met last week and chatted >> and then and then now yeah, she wanted

[53:30] to meet with you, you know, separately to to chat. So she is open for um

[53:36] dialogue. But anyway, that's my process. So people if they you know so Mike Neely

[53:43] wanted to not did not want to continue that that's what I got from uh Deborah

[53:50] and then the other person who was appointed by Andy did not want to

[53:55] continue either. So it's not like they're just dropping off and they're

[53:58] you know bye-bye. >> So what are the rules on who you can

[54:01] appoint? Can you appoint a relative >> or is that not

[54:05] » Well that's kosher. >> Yeah.

[54:06] » And who decides that? Well, I guess so the so the full commission um so you

[54:11] nominate the appointee and the full commission votes on it and so it would

[54:14] be up to the commission to decide whether or not they um would

[54:19] » well say I want to appoint my wife. >> Can I do that?

[54:22] » It's not illegal. >> It's not illegal. Okay.

[54:24] » Point your wife. >> I'll let her know. I'll point her to

[54:28] » Hey honey, I got a job for you. >> Point somebody that likes to work with

[54:31] numbers and details. >> That's her. and and we can give you

[54:35] copies of previous reports. >> We can give you copies of previous

[54:39] reports. >> Yeah. And going back to the orientation

[54:41] and training part. >> So what I do is I have a welcome email

[54:46] that has a bunch of information. So the idea is that you're going to go through

[54:51] it slowly and then if there are questions that come up then you reach

[54:56] out. You can reach out to me. >> Um so that's that's one way to do it.

[55:01] And then there's also the buddy program. Now, um there's a buddy program

[55:06] available, so you can connect with another commissioner who's been around a

[55:10] while. And then those are good questions to ask the the buddy. Um there's also

[55:16] now a a meeting meet and greet with the CFO. So that'll be going over financial

[55:22] information for the library, the budget budget overview. But always, you know,

[55:27] if there's something, you know, that that is that

[55:33] you're not comprehending or like you don't you haven't d you haven't been

[55:37] diving in, then you can reach out cuz the Measure Y meetings are recorded. So,

[55:43] you know, it's not as interesting to see it in the recording, but if you really

[55:47] wanted to get an idea of what they talk about, you know, you could just poke

[55:52] poke around and and see that. MNA, did you have anything to add?

[55:58] » Yes, I I do I think I do believe I have an orientation meeting uh with the three

[56:04] commissioners next week. Uh I hope that you get your budget binder tonight that

[56:09] we prepared so you can peruse through it. Uh the budget is structured in um to

[56:17] meet the requirements of measure Y. uh there there's a whole section on the

[56:24] allocation of um the budget and in your current in the uh uh financials that you

[56:33] received today for uh month 12 June 30th at the end there is a chart that shows

[56:42] how how much of sales tax and how much of property tax was spent with our

[56:47] actual expenditures for the year. And that was that same package was presented

[56:53] to the measure Y committee uh at at its last meeting. So uh throughout it's

[57:00] always part of the financial discussions.

[57:04] And one other thing um measure uh Y sunsets uh on March 31st 2027 and on

[57:15] April 1, 2027 is when MA uh measure W starts.

[57:21] And there there is no change to the oversight committee. That remains the

[57:25] same. Commissioner >> Ps just to reach out to the two

[57:30] commissioners who are trying to appoint something that they're not clear what

[57:33] they're appointing to. What was very helpful for me and Katari was I reached

[57:37] out to our city council as the liaison city council and library and he was

[57:42] fabulous. We worked together trying to identify four people we thought would be

[57:46] good at it and then we went after them and one agreed to do it. we went after

[57:49] them. That sounds really but you know we approached them and didn't wait for it

[57:52] to be approached. So that was really helpful because John Savage had another

[57:57] angle of of city people. So that's another approach to finding your person.

[58:08] » Commissioner McKenzie. >> Yes. And way back when when we started

[58:12] Measure Y committee which is after Measure Y passed we wrote up a blurb. So

[58:17] there is a blurb somewhere that kind of spells out the details on on on the

[58:23] committee members or something. I can't remember. We must have it somewhere. And

[58:27] the other question addressing the question about the quorum. Um this is a

[58:32] bylaw question but when we did the bylaws my understanding of the quorum is

[58:37] a quorum of seated members and so if the measure Y committee isn't fully

[58:45] appointed because if maybe three or four of you haven't had appointed somebody

[58:50] then the committee shrinks down in size and so then it's a quorum of the smaller

[58:54] group. So, um I've never been aware of ever having a quorum problem in Measure

[58:59] Y in the meetings I've been to. >> Generally, and Lisa's very good at this,

[59:06] um we generally try to ensure that we have a quorum before we have a meeting

[59:10] so that we don't have to um have that issue.

[59:15] » All right, fun discussion. Any agenda items for future commission meetings?

[59:22] Okay, date and time. Oh, Commissioner Mackenzie. Oh,

[59:25] » just a quick thing. I saw that the uh commission retreat has been pushed off

[59:31] or delayed or something until January. And to the point about the training, um

[59:37] I think there was an training intented to be part of that was there not. So I

[59:42] don't know for what reason that that has been put off into the future, but maybe

[59:47] there is more of a opportunity here. And to the extent I still have not been

[59:53] reappointed. So that's a another story. But I would be happy to mentor someone.

[59:59] Um I would happy to talk with anybody. I'd be happy to have coffee with

[1:00:03] anybody. Whatever I do, uh when I look around the room and um I definitely been

[1:00:09] around the longest. So uh anything I can compartment that would be helpful, I'll

[1:00:14] be happy to do that. Doesn't have to be a serious long-term thing, but I'd be

[1:00:17] happy to have lunch with people or coffee or anything. and um ask you know

[1:00:22] I have uh boxes and boxes and boxes of agendas and materials at home. Uh so

[1:00:29] » anyway I can address the retreat question. Um so we need to hire a

[1:00:34] facilitator and and most of the good ones um are already booked up. Um, and

[1:00:40] we also know that u with Commissioner Riley being on medical leave, we wanted

[1:00:44] and she is going to do a part of the agenda working with labs and so we need

[1:00:49] to make sure that she is available to be able to do that. So, uh, we're looking

[1:00:53] at January. It will be on a weekend. It will not be MLK or New Year's Eve

[1:00:58] weekend. So, it will be one of the other weekends in January. Um, but I I have

[1:01:02] three um three facilitators that I'm working to get quotes from and we will

[1:01:08] and then I know Lisa sent out a doodle poll. So, we we will hopefully have that

[1:01:12] date pretty soon. >> I'm still waiting for two more

[1:01:17] commissioners to vote. So, I'm not going to name any names. [laughter]

[1:01:23] » Name and shame. >> Well, I don't I don't know yet because I

[1:01:25] haven't looked at the Yeah, it might be. I don't know. I'm not going to name any

[1:01:29] names because I don't know. I haven't looked at the results, but I know that I

[1:01:32] have nine people that have voted. >> Don't make her hunt your

[1:01:38] » Okay, so fill out your poll and the date and time of our next meeting is

[1:01:42] Wednesday, October 7th at six o'clock here at Library Hushes. We are

[1:01:46] adjourned. >> That's meeting y'all.

Library Commission Regular Meeting - 02 Sep 2026

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