[0:02] I'd like to call to order the August 24th, 2026 regular city council meeting.

[0:06] If you'll please stand for the pledge of >> allegiance.

[0:10] Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic

[0:15] for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:21] justice for all.

[0:27] » [clears throat]

[0:31] » City Clerk Deon, let the roll call show everyone is present this evening and

[0:36] we'll move on to approval of the minutes for the August 10th city council

[0:40] meeting. Council member Bogurt >> like to make a motion to approve the

[0:44] minutes as presented. >> I'll support.

[0:46] » Motion is second. Any further discussion regarding the minutes? All those in

[0:51] favor, please say I. >> I opposed.

[0:54] » Thank you very much. Motion carries. So, we have no bills for this evening.

[1:00] So, we'll move on to approval of tonight's agenda.

[1:05] » Council member Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll move the

[1:07] agenda as presented. Support. >> Motion in a second. Any further

[1:12] discussion regarding tonight's agenda? >> All those in favor, please say I. I.

[1:17] » Opposed. >> Thank you.

[1:21] At this point, we will open the floor for public comment. Those wishing to

[1:25] address the council are are welcome to do so. Please come to the podium, state

[1:29] your name and address for the city clerk. You have a two-minute time frame

[1:32] within which to do that. And uh it is just note that it is one-way discussion.

[1:48] Good evening, council. Uh my name is Rosie Macintosh and I live at 408

[1:52] Washington um street and uh there's going to be a discussion tonight about

[1:58] the housing commission. Um I'm concerned about the commission itself. It's pretty

[2:03] much dissolved itself with everybody um walking away and I'm the only one left

[2:11] on the commission. I just started the commission so I'm not really, you know,

[2:17] aware of everything that is going on or should be going on. Um, so how are we

[2:23] going to address that and get to the point where we have five members on that

[2:29] committee? Again, how does that work? >> As I mentioned at the start, this is

[2:34] going to be a one-way discussion for you to convey your concerns. uh if the city

[2:39] manager has something to say later on, he may weigh in on that, but there's no

[2:43] discussion going to take place with regard to that concern at this point.

[2:48] » Okay. Um so then you can't answer whether or not that property has been

[2:52] sold. >> The council the council cannot do that.

[2:54] As I said, the city manager may discuss plans to replace the missing uh members

[3:01] at a later point in this meeting. >> Okay. Tonight

[3:06] » if he has something to add. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you'all.

[3:10] » You bet.

[3:21] » Hello. My name is Julie Lynn Gibbons. I'm a resident.

[3:25] Um earlier today, I sent you an email in regard to the city's flock contract.

[3:32] I understand that [clears throat] it's coming up in the renewal for renewal in

[3:36] the coming months. Um, and I just want to highlight a couple things from my

[3:40] email. The ACLU has determined that that less

[3:45] than 1% of all vehicles scanned by Flock are involved in crimes. Automatic

[3:51] license plate readers, ALPRs, have been deemed a violation of privacy and an

[3:56] opportunity for those who use them to abuse their power.

[4:00] There are also real concerns that ALPRs violate the fourth amendment of our

[4:03] constitution. Multiple communities across Metro

[4:07] Detroit are cancelling their ALPR contacts because of these very issues. I

[4:13] would urge that South Lion you do your diligence in researching this issue, why

[4:18] it matters, why so many people are upset about these contracts

[4:23] and cancel it or at the very least do not renew it when it comes up in

[4:27] October. I have also submitted for your consideration

[4:31] resolution language that would require the city to put in place safeguards

[4:37] before undertaking any future ALPR contracts with any vendor. I don't

[4:42] believe that there's any reason or need for us to have a mass surveillance state

[4:49] and I think we need to consider the desires of our residents above desires

[4:56] for what could be um in terms of safety. Thank you.

[5:02] » Thank you very much.

[5:12] Hi there. Uh my name is Vanessa Torres. I uh am also a resident. I'm here to

[5:16] speak on the same issue that Julie Lynn was up here for. Um, I actually did not

[5:21] realize that South Lion had a flock contract until uh the Oakland County

[5:26] Commissioners started to uh speak about or started to consider the uh flock

[5:32] drone uh contracts and started to look into that more and realized of course

[5:36] that there was one in place. Um I can't disclose who I work for but I work in IT

[5:41] have worked in IT for a long time. um it and just tech marketing and um the uh

[5:48] the model in my opinion that Flock and a lot of other companies that are similar

[5:52] in sort of um offering this kind of technology to anyone and everyone who

[5:59] might be willing sometimes at a better rate than you might be able to get

[6:02] otherwise. Um, we talk in marketing about if uh if the product is free, and

[6:08] in this case the product is discounted, you're you're the product. Um, and the

[6:12] data that they're sucking up by testing this out on our streets is uh is really

[6:17] what we're giving them for free in exchange for our lack of privacy rights.

[6:22] Uh, I would urge you again in October um to not renew that contract. and whether

[6:28] it's through the proposal that that was just uh provided I guess by email or

[6:33] some other means uh start to get ahead of um these types of uh technologies and

[6:40] put something down that the city can have a policy to follow when the next

[6:43] thing that's not flock but kind of flock comes into play. So, thank you very

[6:47] much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you.

[6:50] » Point of order, Mr. Mayor. >> Council member Curtzwell.

[6:53] » Thank you. Uh the two individuals that provided uh public comment did not

[6:57] provide their addresses. Could we have those on the record?

[7:02] » We actually don't have to provide addresses.

[7:07] » Okay.

[7:15] At this point, we'll close public comment and move on to approval of

[7:18] tonight's consent agenda. And on tonight's consent agenda, we have

[7:23] u a resignation from housing commissioner Linda Benson and a

[7:28] resignation from housing commissioner Steven Syler, as well as some additional

[7:33] soft road closures for Pumpkinfest.

[7:39] Council member Popa,

[7:46] » do you want me to go individually? >> Motion to approve the consent agenda.

[7:49] Motion to approve the consent agenda. >> I'll support.

[7:53] » Motion has a second. Any further discussion on the consent agenda?

[7:57] All those in favor, please say I. >> I.

[7:59] » Opposed. >> Thank you. Move on to discussion of

[8:03] downtown and uh tonight we'll have the city manager address this topic.

[8:08] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um had a meeting with uh former DDA director Kim Rivera.

[8:14] um she did leave us a list of what's uh needs to be attended to um contacts um

[8:21] and things that we did need moving forward so we're all on the same page.

[8:25] So the transition will hopefully be as seamless as possible. Good news is we

[8:30] now have 12 uh applications uh for the DDA uh director's position and we will

[8:37] we've already discussed about having a committee together. So once we once uh

[8:41] we're done with the uh the the date is uh September 8th is the last day of for

[8:47] them to get their application is once that once we hit September 9th we'll go

[8:51] ahead and start looking at them weening through them and uh start the process uh

[8:55] for hiring and that's what I've got so far.

[9:00] » Very well. Do we have any questions regarding the downtown discussion this

[9:04] evening? Council member Bogurt,

[9:08] » is the uh Thursday after hours event going to happen next week

[9:14] » or this week? Actually, >> is it if it's still scheduled then yes,

[9:19] we're going to we're planning on having that. Um nothing's changed as far as

[9:24] that goes. We just want to make sure that once and if there's any issues. Kim

[9:28] always said that we'll just go ahead and give her a call and she'll help out. Um

[9:32] but um nothing as far as when you when you see your um your reports that

[9:37] they'll be the same and I'll let you know if there's any changes on it. Thank

[9:40] you. >> Y

[9:42] » thank you very much. This point we'll go to the fire chief's report with Chief

[9:47] Conrad this evening. >> Good evening Mr. Mayor. Council, I'm

[9:53] going to start out by reporting our numbers since last council meeting.

[9:57] We're at 98 calls for the year so far. uh 50 incidents since last council

[10:03] meeting. We had 38 EMS calls, six public service, one vehicle fire, which I'm

[10:09] sure everybody's seen on Facebook. Uh one hazardous condition, and four false

[10:15] alarms. [clears throat and cough] Uh we had our state EMS inspection this

[10:19] morning with zero deficiencies. And the second phase of our cement got

[10:24] finished this morning and we'll be able to drive on it in five days and it's

[10:27] looking beautiful. Uh Mac Concrete demolition was amazing. They stayed on

[10:33] on schedule and the the work looks great.

[10:40] » That's it. >> Okay. Any questions for Chief Conrad

[10:43] this evening? Council member Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I was just going

[10:46] to comment that I did drive past the fire department the other day and what

[10:51] an improvement that concrete >> y

[10:53] » you I didn't really realize how bad it looked until I saw it nice and smooth.

[10:59] So, just thank you for heading that up. >> Thank you. And I like that there was

[11:03] minimal disruption to the road. I know there was concerns from from residents

[11:06] that the road would be closed, >> but these guys did a fantastic job

[11:10] getting in, getting out. >> Council member Curtzwell,

[11:15] » I want to thank you for the incredible response to the uh fire.

[11:20] » Um I I saw it on Saturday. It was about 20 after 4 and um you know 9M and

[11:28] Pontiac Trail which has always been an issue with this construction was so

[11:33] backed up you couldn't move. I mean it was um I think by the time you probably

[11:37] got there you probably saw the congestion. Yeah.

[11:40] » Um it was it was almost out of control and needed uh first responders in just

[11:46] to get the traffic under control because I think at that time people didn't know

[11:49] whether there was going to be a further explosion. I mean, that's what I think

[11:52] people were concerned about, right? >> So, I just want to say thank you. The

[11:56] fire department instilled so much confidence um in the people. Uh I know

[12:01] people that were there and they said it was incredible the job. Uh you could see

[12:05] the black tower. It was unbelievable the smoke. So, you did a great job, great

[12:10] response, and it's clear that, you know, you're just dealing with a very

[12:13] professional department. So, thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate that.

[12:16] » Thanks.

[12:19] » Very well. Thank you very much, Chief. Move on to the police chief's report

[12:23] this evening with Chief Enrew.

[12:29] » Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council. So, this past Thursday, you may have seen a

[12:35] uh extraordinary amount of police cars in downtown South Lion. Uh that was due

[12:41] to us receiving a anonymous tip that there was going to be a teen takeover

[12:46] regarding ebikes at the South Lion uh cycle shop.

[12:51] Fortunately, um the takeover did not occur. We believe part of it was there

[12:56] was a post on Facebook uh saying that there was extra police patrols downtown.

[13:02] I'm happy to report that our ebike uh has uh 220 miles on it. So, it's getting

[13:09] used and that's not counting the mountain bike that we also have uh that

[13:14] the officers are riding. So, it was a good purchase. is getting

[13:18] used and we're getting a lot of compliments.

[13:23] » Any questions for Chief Andrew? Council member Bogart.

[13:26] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just wanted to say that I hadn't been on the bike trail

[13:30] for a while, so I was there last week and saw the new signage and it looks

[13:35] great. The instructions are really clear as to who can be on the trail and who

[13:39] can't and what the limits are. >> Council member Kurtzwell.

[13:45] » Thank you. Uh, several points. Uh number one, I just want to let you know that I

[13:50] have received um a lot of positive feedback about the uh flock policy

[13:57] that's on the police website and uh people are just absolutely amazed that

[14:02] our uh city has gone forward and have have been very very proactive with our

[14:08] policy. So, I want to let you know and these were people that were um sitting

[14:12] on the fence kind of anti-flock people and once they read the policy they they

[14:16] said, "Okay, I get it." So, um I just want to thank you for that because it's

[14:20] being extremely extremely well received. Um, additionally, there are residents in

[14:25] the city that have contacted me and and said that uh they are definitely in

[14:29] favor of, you know, so I know there's two sides to every argument. So, we have

[14:33] to balance, you know, uh this argument versus that argument. But um I haven't

[14:37] seen from the US Supreme Court yet where uh a flack camera has been um denied or

[14:43] ruled um against the Fourth Amendment. I think that's an argument that they make,

[14:47] but I haven't seen actually seen the case law on it. In fact, Michigan

[14:51] actually has a court case that um doesn't question the use of the flax

[14:55] system in terms of the camera being present. It's how the data is being

[14:58] used. And I think you are addressing the court cases uh with respect to how the

[15:03] data is being used. And I think once people see that, they understand that.

[15:07] So, I want to thank you for your incredible um attention to those details

[15:11] because that means a lot to this community. I think that's why we're

[15:14] safe. Um one of the reasons um funding the police is why we're a safe

[15:18] community. Speaking of funding the police, um I also heard um about the

[15:23] situation uh downtown with the um uh teen takeover. And that's the difference

[15:28] maybe between South Lion, who funds the police and provides our police

[15:32] department with as many tools as possible, and cities like maybe Detroit

[15:36] or other cities, LA, where the teen takeovers have uh not only um disrupted

[15:43] business, but they have uh destroyed property. They've gone in and ravaged

[15:48] and stolen. And [clears throat] um basically um from what I understand,

[15:52] three businesses in Detroit will be closing uh because the police department

[15:56] was not responsive. So we have a choice in the city. Uh we either fund our

[16:01] police and give them the tools that they need to keep this a safe comm community

[16:05] so that our business can continue to operate, not have their windows broken

[16:09] and their merchandise stolen out of their businesses. Or we can end up like

[16:12] Detroit and have the businesses leave. So we have a choice. And I think the

[16:16] residents in the city, I know what side they're going to stand on when it comes

[16:19] to that choice. The last point, I was in Wixom

[16:23] today. I do a lot of traveling. I talked to a lot of people. And um what did I

[16:29] see? I saw uh uh the new thing that's probably coming to South Line. Just

[16:33] wanted to put you on notice. And that notice is is it was a unicycle

[16:39] that was motorized. The kid was not pedaling. Basically was not using his

[16:44] own power. He was weaving in and out of traffic and it was on Pontiac Trail in

[16:48] Old Wixom Road. He was literally in the street, had no helmet and uh he was

[16:54] racing. So be aware the unicycles are coming

[16:59] » today. Thank Thank you, council member. Anyone else?

[17:04] » Council member Dog. >> Thank you. Um, I know we discussed the

[17:07] flat cameras uh last week and I did um look at the transparency on the website.

[17:15] I was just wondering is it is it accurate that it is uh that we're up for

[17:20] renewal in October and will that come in front of us or is it a

[17:24] » So that would probably be more for the city manager to answer. Um,

[17:32] » I'll have to I'll look at the uh terms of the expiration of the contract and uh

[17:36] I can get back with you on it. >> Okay. Thank you so much. That's all.

[17:40] » Thanks. [clears throat] >> Thank you, Council Member Dill.

[17:43] So, the um in regard to the email that was sent to the city uh made mention of

[17:50] 55 communities that have stopped using the

[17:54] flock cameras. That's out of 6 to 7,000 that use them. across the country.

[17:59] » So that's less than 1%. Just sharing the data. Council member Curtzwell.

[18:06] » Thank you. Um it's my understanding I have a friend that works in IT um and um

[18:12] has followed the uh Flax systems and her and I were talking I think about two

[18:16] weeks ago. She said that Flock was getting ready to make an announcement

[18:20] that um and she was clearly in favor of it um uh of reducing the data hold time

[18:27] from 30 days to 7 days. Are you aware of that?

[18:30] » I am aware of that and there is a meeting coming up this week um that I

[18:35] have uh an online um webinar um so that I can learn more

[18:41] about that. >> Yeah, that's what she thought too. She I

[18:44] mean she's in favor of it. uh she said she likes the reduction of time. She

[18:47] thought that was very reasonable. So I just wanted to verify with you. Okay.

[18:52] Thank you. >> Yes.

[18:53] » Thank you, council member. Council member Popa.

[18:56] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um so I would point out with the what we're hearing

[19:01] about the possible reduction in time of holding the data.

[19:07] Say there was an investigation and that data had to go back and be retrieved.

[19:11] Would that still be do you know if that would still be available or is it only

[19:15] available for 7 days >> unless from what I've read unless you

[19:20] know that you have an investigation you need to save data you could tell them

[19:24] like I need to save this seven days. >> Okay. So,

[19:28] » but somebody's not always found missing >> right

[19:32] » within seven days where you need to go back and look. That's that was the

[19:36] thought I had and now that we're discussing it, I just wanted it to be on

[19:39] record to voice that thought. If there was an emergency or a reason for the

[19:45] data to be retrieved for a missing whomever, be it child, endangered adult,

[19:50] etc. My concern would be that the data wouldn't be available. That that's just

[19:55] my thought. Certainly, we we don't know what we don't know. So, I guess we don't

[19:59] need to get into the in-depth discussion, but maybe that's something

[20:03] to just keep in mind, which I'm sure you've already thought of. Um, so,

[20:07] » so I do recognize that there are some scary things about these license plate

[20:12] readers, but I've done everything, including put up a transparency portal

[20:17] on our website >> to show what we're searching, who we're

[20:21] sharing with, who's sharing with us. >> Yep. And you know certainly there's been

[20:26] a lot of reports around the country about misuse. Now in South Lion I do

[20:31] have um like I said last week administrative sergeant who's doing

[20:34] audits and everybody that runs somebody on uh the flock has to write a police

[20:42] report. It's not just uh I I feel like running something. You have to document

[20:47] why you ran it. You have to put it the description in. And if you look on the

[20:50] transparency portal, it does list the reasons why plates are being searched.

[20:57] » Okay. Now, can I go one step further with with regards to that since it's the

[21:01] topic? If if there was a report made by one of

[21:05] our officers, okay, fine. Now, it's logged and everything. Could someone

[21:09] from another city access that plate? Do you know what I'm saying? like for the

[21:17] the chatter out there is that it's it's potentially being misused or has the

[21:22] potential to be misused. So, could someone from a different municipality

[21:26] access someone's plate in South Lion or is it just South Lion that can access

[21:32] that or do we even know? >> They would have to know the plate prior

[21:35] to accessing the South Lion and in our policy.

[21:38] » But then that's all part of the policy. It's all part of the policy that they

[21:42] have to >> okay

[21:43] » have the same safeguards that we do and certainly we have a discipline policy

[21:47] just like with the law enforcement information

[21:50] » if you violate that I mean there's discipline up to termination same with

[21:54] the flock camera usage. >> Okay.

[21:57] » I mean I public trust is just so important in law enforcement.

[22:02] » Absolutely. And I mean this this cell phone here knows more about me and my

[22:06] family than uh I think a camera would. But thank you very much,

[22:12] » Council Member Kurtzwell. >> Just two more issues on that. I just

[22:15] want to make sure people understand because there's a lot of misinformation

[22:18] by the antilack people. Um they don't quite get their facts straight. Maybe

[22:23] other cities do. But in South Lion, our policy, we do not share with the federal

[22:29] government. Is that correct? >> That's correct.

[22:31] » Okay. That that's an important fact because there's a lot of people out

[22:34] there that uh don't get that information correct.

[22:37] um or maybe they do understand it and they deliberately pass out that

[22:42] misinformation, but I just want to make sure um everybody understands. We don't

[22:46] share with the federal government. Um that includes ICE. Correct.

[22:50] » Correct. We have uh on our website for the transparency portal who we share

[22:55] with. >> I know, but there's people that don't

[22:57] read the portal, don't read the policy, and they go out there with their agenda

[23:01] » and uh think they know it all and they don't read South Lion's policy. And so,

[23:06] you know, that's where the misinformation comes from. The second

[23:09] question is, is um information that is on the flax system foyable?

[23:16] » It can be. >> Okay. So, if I fill out a FOYA and I

[23:20] want to look at it, um you do you have a process in place for people if they want

[23:27] to foyer that information? It's my understanding you can only foyer what

[23:30] you think belongs to you. You can't foyer somebody else's um license plate.

[23:37] » Um there's certain information you could get um off of it, but unless they have

[23:43] the ability to run lean, they just having a license plate number would not

[23:48] give you >> That's what I thought. You can't just go

[23:50] and say >> unless they Yeah. I don't know what

[23:52] Secretary of State would give you. I've never gone there to ask them to run a

[23:56] plate as a private citizen. >> Okay. Okay. But just like with lean,

[24:02] there there is an audit trail. When you run someone's plate, when you run a

[24:06] person, you know, it's it's not an anonymous thing. And yes, law

[24:12] enforcement officers have been getting in trouble and disciplined and

[24:15] terminated. You know, I've been police officers since 1990, and

[24:22] they have you used lean wrong, and they have

[24:26] gotten in trouble for it. So, this isn't anything new.

[24:31] Well, just just to put it on the record for me, if the flax system is is being

[24:35] abused and not used properly according to the policy, I I would not be in favor

[24:40] of continuing the flax system. As long as the policy is followed and there's no

[24:45] abuse in it, then I don't have a problem with it in here. I mean,

[24:50] » yeah. And our officers know that we do audits and you know, certainly if

[24:54] they're misusing it, it would come up in an audit. I mean, you can't walk into a

[24:59] Meyers or a bank or a doughnut shop or a grocery store or a gas station and have

[25:05] a digital exposure of your face. You're being you're being filmed wherever you

[25:09] go. This is a license plate. >> I don't get it.

[25:13] » And pretty soon, um, coming this week, every officer will be getting a body

[25:18] worn camera. So, we will be everything we do is going to be on camera.

[25:26] » Good for you. support that. Okay. >> Very well. Thank you very much, Chief.

[25:35] » Tonight, we have an update from uh our water and wastewater superintendent, Mr.

[25:39] Ron Bon, regarding the equipment issues the city has been experiencing.

[25:45] » Good evening, council, Mr. Mayor. Um I do have uh a couple of ongoing issues

[25:51] that I would like to brief the council on tonight. Um, something new here is

[25:57] the uh well number six. On Wednesday, August 19th, I received a call from

[26:04] Michigan Seamless Tube MST uh stating that they did not have the

[26:09] water flow or pressure to sustain current operations.

[26:14] So, I immediately uh went to well six, which is an offset well. It was drilled

[26:19] in 2011. Uh it's located in Mcatty Park and feeds the uh MST or supplies MST

[26:28] with untreated water for their process. Uh after arriving at well six uh I

[26:35] noticed that uh it was only producing approximately 240 gallons per minute at

[26:41] 60 hertz and at 28 PSI. Um it is rated at 1,200 gallons per minute at 60 hertz

[26:49] at 60 psi. So the well is failing. Um this uh inadequate supply of water uh

[26:58] does not meet MST's demands and uh requires immediate attention.

[27:05] Currently MST is temporarily connected to a hydrant located in the northwest

[27:10] corner of their property uh which is supplying the plant with treated water

[27:15] through a 4 in uh hose running through the plant.

[27:20] I've contacted Peerless. They are scheduled Peerless Midwest. They're well

[27:23] drillers. Uh they maintain our wells and pumps. uh and they are scheduled to be

[27:28] on site tomorrow um August 25th to pull the pump and start the cleaning process.

[27:36] The pump replacement and cleaning is scheduled uh to be completed within two

[27:41] and a half weeks at a cost of approximately $60,000.

[27:45] Right now, uh the team of operators continue to uh closely monitor uh our

[27:52] water system to ensure that all the water demands are being met.

[27:58] Any questions on that issue? I have

[28:04] » council member Bogurt. >> Um do we have reserve capacity on on the

[28:08] other wells? the reserve capacity, the capacity is

[28:13] coming from our um ground storage tank, okay? Which

[28:18] » is 600,000 gallons. So MST uses approximately 300,000 gallons a day. Uh

[28:27] upwards of 300 gallons per minute at times. Um they recirculate a lot of uh

[28:34] of their water now. So, um, we are maintaining right now with the

[28:38] 600,000galon tank. >> So, it's kind of a double whammy with

[28:42] our milliongalon tank being offline. >> Absolutely.

[28:46] » Okay. Thank you. >> And they've scaled back operations to uh

[28:52] » they have scaled. Yes. Yep. They have scaled back operations and uh they know

[28:58] the the peak demands that the city has and they're working around those

[29:02] demands. So, uh, they're not filling their tanks, um, or filling their

[29:07] recirculation system. >> And you may have this in the second part

[29:11] of your presentation, but this emphasizes the need to adhere to the odd

[29:16] even lawn irrigation request notice that went out back in mid July. And that's

[29:22] part of the reason for it is to keep that level at an acceptable level in the

[29:26] ground storage tank so that we can satisfy the needs of not only the

[29:30] residents but now MST at this particular point. Correct.

[29:33] » Until the well is repaired uh andor the repair is made on the U ground storage

[29:39] tank. Is that correct? >> That is correct.

[29:44] » Council member Curtzwell. Well, uh, what is your theory as to

[29:50] what happened here? >> Do you have a theory?

[29:53] » I do have a theory. Um, I can give you some background if you'd like. Uh, well

[29:59] number six was previously well number three back in 2011. It was drilled just

[30:05] outside uh the existing well three. Um, that was in 2011. They rebuilt and

[30:12] refurbished the pump and the motor from well three. Well three probably dates

[30:18] back to the 60s and they put it in well number which is now well number six. So

[30:25] as far as I can tell the pump and the motor have not been rebuilt or

[30:32] rehabilitated. Now in 2019 that well was cleaned. It was cleaned with the well

[30:39] and pump in place. So if that can be done and it's done in in situations like

[30:43] we have with the tube mill, they need constant water to feed their process. So

[30:48] we had no way to uh actually turn that well off for a long period of time.

[30:55] It doesn't do the greatest job, but at that point in time it did. It brought up

[30:59] the levels and the the gallons per minute were uh back to their normal

[31:03] 1,200 gallons in 2019. 2022

[31:08] um it was still pumping but we saw a decrease a 38% decrease in the

[31:16] withdrawal. So the when the pump turns on the level of that um aquifer will

[31:23] drop and we saw that drop 38%. That's an indication of uh that well screen or

[31:30] well um needing to be cleaned. the screen probably is getting plugged.

[31:37] It's It's unusual. We us Peerless Midwest does all of our um preventative

[31:42] maintenance uh and flow testing. We have it done every year on all of our pumps.

[31:48] That's five uh high ser or five low service, four high service, and four

[31:55] wells. Uh that including um well number six. Well, number six because it needs

[32:02] to uh to supply the water to the tube mill is not done every year.

[32:10] They don't have a secondary uh supply of water at this point. So, in order to

[32:17] clean that well effectively and uh we have to come up with a secondary um

[32:24] water supply and that's what they did in this case. It was an emergency. They uh

[32:28] hooked up to a hydrant. They uh rented some uh piping and they bought a uh

[32:35] backflow pre all in place. And we did that within uh it happened on Wednesday.

[32:41] We are ready to go Friday. Uh initially we were not going to switch them over

[32:46] till Monday. Uh we had a fault at the well on Saturday. Uh they were ready to

[32:52] go. So at that point I said let's just do it. and we've been uh running uh with

[32:57] them using our treated water since Saturday.

[33:03] » So, they're using treated water now. >> They are using treated water.

[33:07] » Uh you know what my next question is? Are they being built for treated water?

[33:11] » They they uh not at this point. Right now, I'm focusing on let's get these

[33:15] guys uh yeah, let's get our well back in. Let's get it running and then we'll

[33:20] have that discussion at a later date. >> That's a lot of treated water. It is a

[33:24] lot of treated water. They they do uh they get build for untreated water right

[33:29] now, but um yeah, let's let's focus on on um getting that well rebuilt and and

[33:38] back up and running. >> Well, does the treated water affect

[33:41] their chemical processes over there? >> Yeah, apparently not. [laughter]

[33:46] » Okay. Because you sure don't want that liability coming back on the city

[33:49] because you're now providing >> They're aware of that. they're aware of

[33:52] the treatment that we do and uh >> yeah

[33:57] they at this point we don't have a choice so it's it's treated water

[34:03] » one of the things that I heard uh in discussions with the city manager is

[34:07] you're once the um the pump is replaced the new pump is down the hole the

[34:12] casing's been cleaned out and the rest of that we're going to look at uh

[34:16] something longterm as far as providing that secondary connection so that we can

[34:21] maintain a more rigorous preventive maintenance schedule for this thing

[34:24] going forward. >> That's correct. There's been there's

[34:26] been talk between the city and uh MST for years now and yes I think this is

[34:32] the what they needed a little eye openener we can get that secondary uh

[34:37] supply line um where we won't have to worry about uh

[34:41] » at least this portion of it anyway. Okay. Any other questions for water

[34:48] wastewater superintendent? Council member Hansen.

[34:50] » Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, so the cleaning of the pump and and getting

[34:56] it fixed up, that should fix the issue. There's there's no chance that maybe the

[35:00] well is need to be redrilled or anything like that.

[35:03] » No, the aquifer seems to be I mean, we have well seven within 200 feet and then

[35:07] well eight is within another 250 ft. So, the aquafer Yes, it's I don't think it's

[35:13] a issue with that. I think it's an issue with actually um the screen probably is

[35:18] plugged. Um just that pump runs 24/7 365 days a year. It never shuts off. Uh it's

[35:27] on a VFD which allows it to uh ramp up and ramp down according to the flow or

[35:33] the PSI they need. But that pump never shuts off. So,

[35:38] » okay, >> it's time it's time to Yeah. to rebuild

[35:41] that pump, get it a good cleaning, and put get it back in service.

[35:46] » Yeah, I definitely like the idea of having a conversation, especially with

[35:49] MST, to see if we can coordinate with them as far as giving the pump that

[35:54] needed maintenance like you were describing. So, yeah,

[35:57] » it's in the works. >> No. Great. Thank you, Council Member

[36:01] Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Ron, I'd like to

[36:04] see you come here with some good news. Um, [laughter]

[36:07] » sorry. too. >> Do you think cutting the watering to odd

[36:13] even days is going is enough to keep us >> right right now? Yes. Mother nature's

[36:20] been nice to to us. I know the rain helps tremendously. So, just the rain

[36:26] that we had um we saw a drop in demand and and probably will for next couple of

[36:32] days. The cool weather, the cool nights, it all all contributes to that. um

[36:37] lowering that demand of water. So, I know it's supposed to rain again

[36:41] Wednesday. Just keep our fingers crossed that, you know, we need at least two

[36:46] weeks, two and a half weeks to get this thing uh up and running again.

[36:52] » Thank you.

[36:55] » Very good. Anything else uh tonight? >> Well, if you want some more bad news.

[36:59] » Sure. We're up for it. Uh preload has completed their

[37:05] inspection and assessment of the 1 million gallon tank. Uh it took three

[37:09] days. Uh they did go inside and did inspection and uh they did the outside

[37:15] inspection. So their preliminary findings are as

[37:20] follows. They found corroded and/or missing

[37:24] pieces of the pre-stressed wire. And that begins at the pyaster with the

[37:31] vertical crack and it moves um to the left to the next pile. So that's

[37:39] 25 ft. That's a huge area. Mhm. >> Um so they do these test little bores

[37:45] inside and they notice that the corrosion is from one end to the other

[37:49] to between those pillisters about 25 ft. So um obviously that's not good news. Um

[37:57] they also uh going to the east from that pillister with the vertical crack to the

[38:05] next pillister. They also noticed corrosion on the top four feet. um

[38:11] all the way to that next pillar pillister. So that's uh 25 ft going to

[38:17] the east. [clears throat] Um they also inside they they inspected

[38:22] the inside and um they found a crack uh between the two. I I know we had

[38:29] pictures of the cracks that looked like they were filled, but there was another

[38:33] one uh in between those two. And that lines up pretty much where the water was

[38:40] leaking out of the side of the ground storage tank. So we we think we found

[38:45] the leak. Uh the root cause um obviously those pre pre-tress prestressed wire

[38:53] cables not uh being uh or being corroded um

[39:01] basically caused a zipper effect. it looks like on that one side where it's

[39:06] just starting to open up. Um that being said, there's always a fix

[39:12] and that's what these guys do. Uh I have confidence that uh the the engineers

[39:18] that were out, structural engineers will come back with a plan that will satisfy

[39:25] hopefully all of us. Um obviously we don't want to make this mistake again.

[39:30] Uh, we want this thing to last, you know, until I retire

[39:35] [laughter] at least,

[39:39] 20 years or more. [laughter]

[39:44] Yeah, that that's all I have from them. I I hope to hear from them next week. Uh

[39:49] once I hear from them, uh we'll sit down. We'll have to have this discussion

[39:54] uh amongst all of us. We want to make sure we make that decision, an educated

[39:58] decision that uh will last for for a long period of time.

[40:05] » Well, we certainly appreciate you keeping uh close tabs on it, Brown. It's

[40:09] uh really obviously disconcerting.

[40:14] So, we'll see what the the experts have as far as potential repair options.

[40:19] » Yep. We'll know soon. Council member Hansen,

[40:22] » just just a quick followup in regards to that uh news. Um have have they given

[40:27] you any inkling as far as if there is a repair option if it can be done during

[40:32] the winter months? That's >> there are repair options. Um and uh it's

[40:37] basically pre-stressing

[40:41] at least that section >> and there are ways to do that. Um again

[40:48] it'll be a discussion um that we'll have to and a decision we'll have to make on

[40:54] whether we want to repair it or some other option. Um but there is

[41:04] there is a way to do it. So basically right now um we can't fill it with any

[41:10] water. Um but he didn't condemn it which is very

[41:15] good. So, >> okay. Thank you,

[41:17] » Council Member Bogurt. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, was there any

[41:22] um discussion of the possibility of

[41:25] negligence on the previous maintenance work?

[41:29] » Again, uh my job is to focus on getting that back in service. Um that can be a

[41:37] discussion later on um once uh the structural engineers come back with a

[41:43] game plan. Um, and with the results of all their findings, then we can look at

[41:49] that. But I need to focus on on getting this tank in operational and well six

[41:55] operational. >> Understandable. Thank you, Council

[41:59] Member Kurtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, a couple of

[42:02] quick questions. Uh, you said that the second pillar piler.

[42:08] » Yeah, the Highasters um

[42:10] » about 25. >> Those are those columns on the outside.

[42:13] Yeah, >> the 25 ft. Is there the same kind of

[42:17] issue beginning to develop on that second one

[42:20] » up up uh close to the uh uh close to the roof? Yes. So, the water has found its

[42:29] least uh path of resistance and it's following these wires and it's corroding

[42:34] them. And like I said, they they stopped uh at least on the main pillister with

[42:40] the vertical crack. They they worked their way down um probably six feet and

[42:45] they stopped at that point because um there was there was nothing left of half

[42:51] of them. So uh the other side uh they're worried and

[42:56] concerned obviously about any uh corrosion on those wires. Uh so they're

[43:01] at least looking at the possibility of four feet from that uh roof point down.

[43:08] Um like I said u they said it can be fixed but uh you

[43:14] know >> how many of those pillisters are on it?

[43:17] » Uh that's a good see one two I would say [clears throat]

[43:21] eight maybe. >> Okay. So if this problem of corroding is

[43:27] occurring because water is finding the least resistance and corroding

[43:32] » yes >> that then why

[43:35] take that take that fact >> and apply it to the other pillisters why

[43:40] is it also occurring on that and it just hasn't surfaced yet

[43:44] » it is so what they do is they drill into the out gunite and they get to the core

[43:50] they get to where those uh wires, pre-stress wires are. They've gone to

[43:56] the next pillister on the other side of that next pillister and they were like

[44:00] brand new. They also did it on the uh east side going toward uh past that

[44:06] other pillister. So they did test holes and from what they found, the evidence

[44:11] that they have the corrosion isn't to that point yet. And he said they look

[44:16] like new and that's they should. So we know where the area is. It's a large

[44:22] area, but until I see uh a game plan from them or a plan uh to repair, uh we

[44:29] won't know um anything else. I'm it'll be a report, a very extensive report. So

[44:38] one more question is then when they went in and provided their initial diagnosis

[44:46] are were they looking at the problems that were caused due to prior repairs or

[44:52] are these problems that have developed because of the initial design itself?

[45:01] it it I I can't tell you that. I'm not an engineer, but I do know that uh um

[45:08] » I don't think the initial uh structure I don't think that was the problem. I

[45:13] don't think it was a design issue. Um it it looks as though that uh some of the

[45:19] repairs failed. Um, I can tell you that, but other other

[45:25] than I'm speculating whether that was uh uh the actual root cause or not, but I'm

[45:33] sure it'll be in the report. >> So, were the repairs made that were

[45:39] consistent with the initial design of the tank?

[45:44] Are are you asking if it was something I can tell you preload did not have

[45:50] anything to do with the repairs if that's what you're asking who

[45:55] » so preload did not approve the possible repair and that okay

[46:02] » I don't I don't believe so but uh >> yeah okay

[46:05] » again let's uh let's get a plan of action let's get this thing fixed if

[46:11] it's fixable and let's get it back in line and then let's we can worry about

[46:16] uh um those things at a later date. >> Anyone else?

[46:22] » I got you. >> Council member Squires,

[46:24] » how do you refill a million gallon tank? >> Slowly. [laughter]

[46:31] » We we fill it. Uh it'll probably be um >> Is it part of treated water?

[46:38] » It is the treated water. So, it's not as simple as just filling that tank.

[46:42] there's certain uh restrictions and certain guidelines that we have to take

[46:46] in order to fill that tank and uh that's uh restrictions and guidelines by Eagle

[46:53] and how we fill it. Uh chlorination um and preload will also have I'm sure

[47:01] uh >> directions

[47:03] » directions on how to fill that after it's repaired.

[47:10] » Thank you. Look forward to seeing the report, Ron.

[47:13] » Thank you. >> Thank you very much.

[47:19] » We have no unfinished business this evening, so we will move on to new

[47:22] business. New business number one is the Lafayette

[47:27] Park furniture, and the city manager will be handling this discussion. Thank

[47:31] you, uh, Mr. Mr. Mayor, Council. This is the purchase of the remainder of the

[47:37] furniture for Lafayette Park. Um the furniture order from GL account

[47:43] 101751978 capital improvements purchasing the

[47:47] furniture directly with Omnia pricing assures the lowest price for

[47:51] governmental entities in the amount of 36,466,95

[47:58] landscape forms uh furniture who is the manufacturer

[48:02] uh u of the furniture with the with the first Lafayette Park furniture order

[48:09] approved on uh June 8th, 2026. So, this is the second phase of of the

[48:15] purchasing the furniture quotes obtained. Um

[48:19] 46,000 from City Contracting Services, 67,000 from Spartan Construction Group,

[48:27] 51,999 from Sor's Group, uh Sor's Gross Company

[48:32] LLC. Attached are quotes from Lafayette Park

[48:36] Furniture. uh bid tabulations from HRC which includes the the unit pricing of

[48:41] the furniture. Again, we went with the uh directly to

[48:45] the manufacturer. So, there's actually four bids if you really want to look at

[48:49] it. Um possible course of action to approve not approve the purchase of the

[48:53] Lafayette Park Furnace from GL account 101751-978

[48:58] capital improvement.

[49:02] » Council member Vogva. Motion to approve the purchase of

[49:07] landscape forms quote 468039 total of 36,466.95

[49:16] from GL account 101-751-978

[49:21] capital improvements >> support.

[49:24] » So a motion from council member Popa a second from council member Squires. Do

[49:29] we have any questions or discussions regarding this purchase?

[49:34] » City clerk Deon, if you'll lead us in a roll call vote for this one, please.

[49:41] » Bogurt, >> yes.

[49:43] » Dild, >> yes.

[49:44] » Hansen, >> yes.

[49:45] » Opa, >> yes. Hurts,

[49:47] » yes. >> Squireers,

[49:48] » yes. >> Kennedy,

[49:50] » yes. Motion carries. Thank you, Doug. Uh, moving on to new

[49:55] business number two, award of the bid for the Cemetery Road project.

[50:00] » Yeah, this is another one that was ongoing that we needed to get completed.

[50:04] Um, on August 13th, 2026, the city opened bids for the Cemetery Road

[50:08] reconstruction project. The city received a total of five bids ranging

[50:12] from the highest bid of $688,352

[50:17] to the lowest bid of $642,135. The lowest bid was submitted by Ashvalta

[50:23] Specialists LLC out of Pontiac, Michigan. Um,

[50:28] letters and supporting documents. The letter from uh our engineer HRC

[50:32] outlining the recommendations for award of uh bid to the Asheville Specialist

[50:38] LLC out of Pontiac and accompanied bid tabed information. I have say I have to

[50:44] add a just in the agenda some other language um to approve or not approve

[50:49] and what's not included on there which I'm going to add right now. Mr. Mayor,

[50:52] if you can help me with this. So approve or not approve uh the uh award the bid

[50:58] and the contract in the package uh the bid package for the cemetery road

[51:03] reconstruction project in the amount of $642,135

[51:09] to Ashvault Specialist LLC from the capital improvement fund. GL account

[51:14] 401451802.567.

[51:20] So we just had to add that uh portion in so they can review the contract in the

[51:25] package.

[51:32] » Council member Curtzwell. >> I make a motion to approve the award of

[51:36] the bid for the Cemetery Road construction project. um including the

[51:41] bid in the bid project in the bid packet in the amount of uh 642135

[51:47] to Asphalt Specialists LLC from the capital improvement fund GL account

[51:52] number 401451 802.67.

[51:58] » Okay. So it should read a word of the bid and the contract in the bid package.

[52:03] » Yeah. And the contract in the bid packet.

[52:05] » I don't think you said contract. >> Oh.

[52:09] So, we have a motion from council member Curtzwell.

[52:11] » I'll support a second from council member Hansen. We have any further

[52:15] discussion regarding this.

[52:19] » City clerk Jay, if you'll lead us in a roll call vote for this one, please.

[52:22] » Dil, >> yes.

[52:24] » Squireers, >> yes.

[52:25] » Opa, >> yes.

[52:27] » Yes. >> Yes.

[52:29] » Hansen, >> yes.

[52:31] » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries.

[52:36] Moving on to new business number three. award the sidewalk replacement project.

[52:42] [clears throat] >> Good evening, council, Mr. Mayor.

[52:46] Uh we're revisiting sidewalks again. Uh let's see.

[52:53] Explanation of topic would be the sidewalk replacement project is being uh

[52:57] set up to replace any sidewalks that have been heave or misaligned due to

[53:01] root systems of our city trees. Luigi Fernando and Sun Cement Company has was

[53:07] awarded the contract for the last couple years and have done a wonderful job. The

[53:12] contractor will be directed in which areas uh to address by me and the plan

[53:17] is to start in a subdivision and complete the area and move on to the

[53:21] next. Um the contractor will be removing and replacing this year 500 flags of

[53:26] misaligned sidewalks that are creating trip hazards. Uh they als they they will

[53:31] also be removing and disposing of the tree roots that are causing the

[53:35] problems. Um the contractor is also performing all restoration.

[53:41] Uh one thing I for edited out here is they are carrying over their pricing

[53:45] from 2023. If you can see within the packet I have that note in there as

[53:49] well. Um when they originally won the bid. Uh this job is we did budget for

[53:54] for this year and it will be coming out of GL101-441.974.

[54:01] Uh materials attached are as supporting documents are quotations from Luigi

[54:06] Fernando and Sons and Concrete Construction Incorporated and Hartwell

[54:10] Company. Uh the bids were from 2023. Like I said, they're holding the pricing

[54:16] from 2023. So I didn't go acquire other other bids at this point. Uh possible

[54:21] course of action be award not award the sidewalk replacement project with Luigi

[54:26] Fernando and son um and contract

[54:31] that supplied by the city um for $149,875

[54:39] $875 from GL account 101-441.974.

[54:45] » Thank you Mr. Urgie. And the motion will read Mr. Mayor. Yes,

[54:51] » I understand that there may be a contract already in place. So, just for

[54:56] the benefit of council, >> um the motion should indicate either an

[55:02] extension of the existing contract or a new contract as authorized by the city

[55:08] manager so that we could negotiate terms. if in fact they don't want to

[55:12] extend the original contract but at least um if your motion includes that

[55:17] subject to a contract or an extension of the existing contract whichever is

[55:21] applicable >> and the narrative we have is to uh the

[55:25] motion to award to extend the existing award of the sidewalk replacement

[55:31] project to Luigi Ferdinandi and Sun Cement Company for the cost of 149875

[55:37] from GL101-441.97 74 pending review of the contract by the

[55:43] city attorney. That's the motion that needs to be read.

[55:49] » You might have to repeat that. >> Council member Boer.

[55:54] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I would like to make a a motion to award a contract or

[56:00] extension of current contract for the sidewalk replacement project to Luigi

[56:06] Ferdinandi and Sun Cement Company for the cost of $149,875

[56:12] from GL101-441-974.

[56:19] » Pending review of the contract by the city attorney.

[56:22] » Pending review by the cont of the contract by the city attorney.

[56:26] » Also support. >> So we have a motion from council member

[56:29] Bogurt, a second from council member Dill. Do we have any further discussion

[56:33] regarding this? Council member Popa. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Good to see you.

[56:37] Welcome back. >> Thank you. Um, I do have a question. I'm

[56:41] reading over this and with regards to when the cement is replaced and you're

[56:47] removing the roots, the tree roots are being removed.

[56:51] Say that's for a live tree and removing those roots are going to damage the

[56:56] tree. What happens then? >> So, we we we go through this every year.

[57:01] What we do is especially if they go through and they pull out massive roots

[57:05] like you you kind of got to g gauge everyone case by case sometimes the

[57:10] trees live. Most of the times the trees live. Let me rephrase that. Most of the

[57:13] time times the trees live. If they come across trees that they they they come up

[57:17] and say hey this is like the main main trunk.

[57:20] » Unfortunately at that point we deem it as unsafe. We'll take the tree down

[57:25] replant another one. >> Okay. So it will be replanted. And if

[57:28] this has been addressed previously, you know, please disregard, but this is the

[57:32] first time I've had this conversation. So, thank you.

[57:35] » It's it's it's an ongoing issue. We plant trees in the ement. They heat the

[57:39] sidewalks. We we go through cut the roots. Um it's something we've been

[57:42] dealing with. I mean, I've been here for almost 19 years.

[57:45] » It's not new >> and it's not unique to us.

[57:48] Unfortunately, happens everywhere. But I just wanted to know that, you know,

[57:52] there's something in place. Residents could reach out that that dialogue is

[57:56] taking place. Okay. I have had residents call me and they they'll send me photos

[57:59] of what was taken out. We'll go out assess the tree. I have my my arborist

[58:03] come by. He takes a look at it and says, "Hey, I think we should take this or I

[58:07] think we're going to be okay." Um he he's he's one that loves to save the

[58:11] tree. So, he's not just trying to take the tree down. Um I do the same thing. I

[58:14] look at it as I don't want it falling on something because we have in the past

[58:18] where we've gone out and done a lot of this work. We've had trees go down a

[58:23] year later. We just we kind of learning from experience, right?

[58:27] » Um kind of looking at the root system that's truly there.

[58:30] » Obviously, if we've got massive roots going out in other directions and and we

[58:34] think it's going to be okay, we're we're going to try and keep the tree that's

[58:36] there there, but if we think it's unsafe, we're going to take it down and

[58:39] then plant. We we always we always plant another one. It may not be an exact

[58:43] location because the tree root system already kind of taken up that area, but

[58:48] we do try to accommodate and and get one in that that green belt as well.

[58:51] » All right. Thank you. Council member Duke,

[58:55] » thank you. Um, if you do have to take the tree down, is that at the

[58:59] homeowner's expense? No. >> Okay.

[59:01] » No. City, any city tree that is removed, unless the homeowner has made special

[59:06] requests that they want the tree removed because it's either unsightly or they

[59:09] don't like the tree, >> we take it down.

[59:11] » Okay. Thank you, >> Council Member Bogurt.

[59:16] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, is grinding ever an option

[59:21] » as far as grinding out some of the the the It is. Um,

[59:26] a lot of I I've we've we've done that in-house. We get a ton of flack from

[59:31] residents. They think it's a gross fix, temporary fix. A lot of times when we do

[59:36] it, I've gone back on on where we grind it. Anything over two inches, you're not

[59:42] grinding. We're replacing inch trips up to two and a half to three inch trips.

[59:46] Right now, if you take anything over more than like an inch, inch and a half,

[59:50] you're you're going to be back within usually a year to two to grind the same

[59:55] one. At that point, your sidewalk is compromised. Um I'm trying to

[1:00:01] we we did do a lot of grinding down like Liberty and stuff like that and the the

[1:00:05] lesser trip areas. Yes, it is an option. >> Good to know. Thank you.

[1:00:09] » Not a problem. >> One more thing. I have one more thing.

[1:00:13] » Council member Dog. >> Thank you. Um I just wanted to say I'm

[1:00:16] really glad that these guys are holding um their price on the contract because I

[1:00:21] have they were all over my neighborhood last year or two years ago and have done

[1:00:25] an amazing job in there. Um everybody very polite and uh our sidewalks look so

[1:00:32] much better. >> Okay, city clerk Deon. We have a motion

[1:00:37] from council member Bogurt, a second from council member Dil. Please lead us

[1:00:42] on a roll call vote for this if you would.

[1:00:44] » Hurts, >> yes.

[1:00:46] » Dil, >> yes.

[1:00:47] » Squires, >> yes.

[1:00:48] » Ogre, >> yes.

[1:00:50] » Hansen, >> yes.

[1:00:51] » Opa, >> yes.

[1:00:52] » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries.

[1:00:56] Moving on to new business number four, awards cemetery dirt pile removal to

[1:01:01] Nicholas Contracting. Okay. So over over the years of

[1:01:06] excavation of graves have has have resulted in significant accumulation of

[1:01:11] soil as only approximately half of excavated material is placed back into

[1:01:16] graves. The remaining spoils need to be removed from the cemetery. Uh the timing

[1:01:20] of this work is important due to the upcoming paving project with the

[1:01:24] cemetery. While the existing soil soil piles are not in the way of the paving

[1:01:28] project, it is more practical to remove the material before the new roads are

[1:01:32] paved. uh completing and hauling beforehand

[1:01:35] will prevent heavy trucks and hauling equipment from damaging newly paved

[1:01:38] roads and will help protect the investment for the upcoming paving

[1:01:41] project. Two companies submitted bids to load and haul the excess oil. Uh the the

[1:01:48] cost was also evaluated at using DPW personnel to load the material with a

[1:01:53] contractor providing only trucking. Based on the pricing and the and the

[1:01:57] resources required, it is more efficient and more cost-effective to have um have

[1:02:02] one contractor handle both the loading and hauling of the materials. This

[1:02:06] approach will reduce the demand on the DPW staff and and equipment and allow

[1:02:09] the material to be removed before the paving project is complete. Um

[1:02:14] supporting materials attached would be the quotation from Nikolai contracting

[1:02:18] rose excavating and the DPW loading with paid trucking.

[1:02:25] Possible course of action would be award or not award cemetery dirt removal

[1:02:29] project to Nicolai Contracting for $19,4520

[1:02:35] from GL account line 202-972-0000.

[1:02:42] » Council member Squires. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I motion to award

[1:02:47] the cemetery dirt removal project to Nicholas's Contracting for $19,4520

[1:02:55] from GL account 202-972.0000

[1:03:01] upon review and approval of contract by the city attorney support. Support

[1:03:09] have a motion from council member Squires, second from council member

[1:03:12] Hansen. Do we have any questions for Superintendent Archie this evening?

[1:03:17] Council member Pop. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:03:21] Just a question here. >> Yes.

[1:03:24] » The dirt. Is there any other use throughout the city where we might need

[1:03:29] dirt to fill in something? Where is this dirt going? Do we know

[1:03:33] » that? I don't know. Uh, a lot of times they have companies that take it for

[1:03:37] either $2 or free. They're filling in low areas. Uh, this guy is a very big

[1:03:42] outfit. But I'm assuming he has subdivisions where they're low on dirt.

[1:03:46] He takes it there, dumps it off. >> Okay. And there's nowhere that you're

[1:03:50] aware of within the city that could benefit from maybe a leveling or needing

[1:03:55] a leveling or something like that. >> The only place in the past would have

[1:03:59] been out at Volunteer Park when we did level and it's all pretty much been

[1:04:02] leveled out. Okay. >> Um we don't have a lot of un

[1:04:06] kind of land left open just to dump off dirt.

[1:04:11] » True. Okay. I didn't know if we had anywhere that was maybe flooding or or

[1:04:15] something like that where you know some some dirt might help out.

[1:04:18] » Not off the top of my head. >> All right.

[1:04:20] » Not that not that I was just putting dirt in it would take care of.

[1:04:23] » Yeah. >> Thank you.

[1:04:27] » Council member Hansen. >> Just a quick question. I mean I see

[1:04:31] signs all the time, you know, like the person is seeking filter and that sort

[1:04:35] of thing where they'll like take it. It just seems um is this typical for

[1:04:40] municipality to pay for removal of dirt like this and not get anything back from

[1:04:44] it or >> that question I couldn't answer but this

[1:04:48] is like I said this pile has been it was a decent pile when I started my plan is

[1:04:53] to as we now we get this down to zero and as we start to say I get a five five

[1:05:00] to 10 yards worth of soil find one of those places because there are there are

[1:05:04] websites that say need filter you can contact them. But I also don't want to

[1:05:08] be running our trucks a million miles away just to get rid of 5 to 10 yards of

[1:05:12] dirt, you know? So, it's kind of one of those uh I may I know the trucking

[1:05:17] company that I do use, he always has spots where he can haul it out for like

[1:05:21] two yards, $2 a yard, whatever. I pay trucking and whatever. I want to kind of

[1:05:25] keep on top of it once we get it leveled down so that we're not back here in 18

[1:05:30] 20 years saying, "Hey, we got another 2,000 or 4,000 yards of dirt that we got

[1:05:34] to get rid of." Well, I I figured I'd just ask that question because it kind

[1:05:37] of occurred to me. I'm like, you know, they should be paying us for the dirt.

[1:05:40] But >> yes, no, I I I get it. And and majority

[1:05:43] of the people that have that, they want clean filled dirt.

[1:05:47] » You know, this is fairly clean dirt. I mean, it has rocks and stuff in it.

[1:05:50] There are unfortunately some probably tree branches buried in there over the

[1:05:53] years, whatever. Um, and it has been kind of an area that we if we're working

[1:05:58] on certain ends of town, we'll go to the cemetery first and dump there as opposed

[1:06:02] to going to our yard and overfilling our dumping bay.

[1:06:05] » Well, I I I appreciate you kind of getting this taken care of, especially

[1:06:09] before the road gets put in. And um, yeah, I appreciate you at least getting

[1:06:13] us that bid and getting somebody to come out and take care of it before the

[1:06:16] construction starts. So, >> thank you.

[1:06:19] » Excuse me, Mr. Mayor Kennedy. Um, we think that there is a problem with that

[1:06:24] DLC account. Um, finance and benefit administrator Tieran just ran down to

[1:06:29] her office to grab her budget book to verify.

[1:06:32] » Okay. >> Could we hold off on the vote until

[1:06:34] then? >> We can do that.

[1:06:36] » Thank you.

[1:06:39] » You expect her soon or should we just take care of the salt truck purchase?

[1:06:43] » Um, you could go ahead and do that. >> Yep. I think we can. And uh, how

[1:06:47] convenient. Superintendent Archie's still here.

[1:06:50] Sorry to >> let's move on to new business number

[1:06:52] five. Purchase of the 2027 model year freight liner.

[1:06:58] » Okay.

[1:07:02] All right. I have done this I have I've done this a few times now with these

[1:07:06] trucks. So I think this one should be pretty foolproof. Um so the uh the DPW

[1:07:12] would like to replace our 2006 Sterling dump truck T9 due to the age and

[1:07:17] availability of parts for the cab. These trucks are used not only for plowing and

[1:07:22] salting the city streets but the the hauling of leaf vacuums, dirt, leaf

[1:07:26] hauling, sweeping debris hauled to the dump and many many more uses. Uh we use

[1:07:32] the mitten bidding system which the bidding is already completed through the

[1:07:35] Rochester Hills cooperative. Uh Wolverine Freightlininer received the

[1:07:39] bid for the cab chassis and we will will be also using the city of Rochester Hill

[1:07:44] cooperative bidding system for the snowplow equipment lights box and

[1:07:49] lights and box through uh truck and trailer specialists with the this was

[1:07:53] done with the RFP RH20-23 and in fiscal year 202627 the department

[1:08:00] budgeted $250,000 for the salt truck under GL account 642979500

[1:08:06] 00 the cost for the vehicle build and is now2

[1:08:12] $256,974.

[1:08:15] Uh materials attached as supporting documents is a quote contains two two

[1:08:19] parts. The cabin chassis, the bid from Wolverine Freightlininer includes all

[1:08:23] the specifications the city needs for the efficient plow efficient plow truck

[1:08:28] and the you to be used throughout the year for the price of $117,89.

[1:08:34] Part two of the quote is to outfit the truck with snowplow equipment lights in

[1:08:38] a box. This will be done through truck and trailer specialist incorporated for

[1:08:42] the price of $139,885.

[1:08:46] Possible course of action is to approve the purchase of the 2027 model year

[1:08:51] Freightlininer DPW salt plow truck chassis model 108 SD plus from Wolverine

[1:08:57] Freight Liner for the price of $256,974

[1:09:02] from GL account 642979500.

[1:09:08] Pricing and conditions were proposed uh through Rochester Hills Cooperative RFP

[1:09:14] RH20-023

[1:09:17] agreement. Uh suggested motion

[1:09:24] » looking for a motion. >> Sorry

[1:09:27] Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll uh make that

[1:09:29] motion uh to approve the purchase of a 2027 model year Freightlininer DPW Salt

[1:09:34] Truck uh chassis model 108 SD Plus from Wolverine Freightlininer and outfitting

[1:09:40] from Truck and Trailer Specialties Inc. for $256,974

[1:09:45] from GL642-979500.

[1:09:50] » Support a motion from council member Hansen, a second from council member. we

[1:09:55] have any further discussion for Superintendent Archie regarding this.

[1:09:59] Council member Hansen. >> Well, obviously the price of everything

[1:10:02] keeps getting a bit higher. Um, is there any chance we might be able to get

[1:10:06] anything out of the existing truck or like put it in reserve or get

[1:10:10] » So, right now I'm using two of the old Sterings as a back like

[1:10:16] we run five trucks. >> Yeah.

[1:10:17] » I right now currently have six. Two of them being the Sterings that are from '

[1:10:21] 06. They're both purchased in the same year. I'm using them as my fifth truck

[1:10:25] this year. So, as one breaks down, I'm going to be splicing it back together as

[1:10:29] the other one goes out on the road. Um, when we get this final purchase made and

[1:10:34] the truck shows up because they are taking quite a bit of time to build. Um,

[1:10:39] I I I've already kind of put my order in in a sense to get us on the books back

[1:10:45] in like February, so it speed up the process so we're not waiting almost two

[1:10:49] years. Um, when we finally get the truck in, we'll see what kind of condition it

[1:10:53] is. I would like to keep one as a backup, basically a truck that we haul

[1:10:58] stuff in. Kind of wear and tear on that one until it is done. Um, the other one,

[1:11:04] depending on what condition, I may put them up for auction. Um, it just kind of

[1:11:08] depends on I mean, the last time we did this, they gave me like $17,000 for the

[1:11:13] truck. >> And to me, it's almost better off having

[1:11:17] a backup sitting in our fleet. If one of ours goes down, we throw this truck on

[1:11:20] the road. We back. We're not we're not missing a beat. And, you know, picking

[1:11:24] up a few more subs in the future. We may end up having to go to a six truck

[1:11:28] anyways eventually. Anyhow, >> well, I have had some some comments made

[1:11:33] to me about the great plowing services south and DPW. So, I will say that. Um

[1:11:38] one one other question that I had um uh obviously not for this winter upcoming

[1:11:44] maybe 2027 2028 when it would be in operation or or is that

[1:11:49] » it will it will not be this winter for for sure. I'm hoping by next next they

[1:11:54] told me 16 16 months when I first talked to them. Like I said I put a basically I

[1:11:59] put a the truck is cab chassis is ready to go.

[1:12:02] I could probably have that tomorrow if I called them and said it's the build part

[1:12:06] getting in the box. The box has been the big hold up on a lot of these trucks. Um

[1:12:10] once they get all their parts, we're basically get in line and then they get

[1:12:14] all the parts in and they've been ordering certain you know they'll the

[1:12:17] box held us up on the last one. So once we get it they'll they said 16 months.

[1:12:22] I'm going to bet it's probably going to be 18 to 24 unfortunately. Um, I'm not

[1:12:28] holding my breath on having it by next winter, but if it shows up, great.

[1:12:32] » Okay. Thank you.

[1:12:36] » City Clerk Dean, we have a motion from Council Member Hansen and a second from

[1:12:39] Council Member Bogurt. Would you lead us in a roll call vote for this motion,

[1:12:43] please? >> Squires,

[1:12:45] » yes. >> Bogurt,

[1:12:47] » yes. >> Kurtzw,

[1:12:48] » yes. >> Dil,

[1:12:49] » yes. >> Yes.

[1:12:51] » Hansen, >> yes.

[1:12:52] » Kennedy, >> yes. That motion carries. And now we

[1:12:56] have a second motion. Council member Hansen.

[1:12:58] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll make a motion to approve a budget amendment for fiscal

[1:13:02] year 2026 2027 to the equipment replacement fund GL account number

[1:13:07] 642-979.50ard

[1:13:10] dumps salt truck for $10,000 to increase the line item from 250,000 to 260,000.

[1:13:17] » I'll support. >> Have a motion from council member

[1:13:20] Hansen, a second from council member Dilk. Do we have any discussion

[1:13:24] regarding the budget amendment? >> City clerk Deon, if you'll lead us on a

[1:13:28] roll co vote for this, please. >> Hansen,

[1:13:31] » yes. >> Opa,

[1:13:33] » yes. >> Squireers,

[1:13:34] » yes. >> Dild,

[1:13:35] » yes. >> Herzil,

[1:13:36] » yes. >> Bogurt,

[1:13:38] » yes. >> Kennedy,

[1:13:39] » yes. Motion carries. And now we'll go back to new business

[1:13:44] number four. There was some discussion about the account.

[1:13:48] » Yes. >> Number. The correct geo code will be

[1:13:51] 209-972.0000.

[1:13:56] » Okay. I love the attention to detail. Thank you.

[1:14:01] » 209. >> So on this one, we have a uh a motion

[1:14:04] from uh Council Member Squires and a second from Council Member Hansen. Do we

[1:14:08] have any further discussion regarding the dirt pile removal?

[1:14:14] City Clerk Deon, if you'll lead us on a roll co vote for this then, please.

[1:14:18] Popa, >> yes.

[1:14:20] » Hansen, >> yes.

[1:14:21] » Dil, >> yes.

[1:14:22] » Bogart, >> yes.

[1:14:24] » Hurts, >> yes.

[1:14:25] » Buyers, >> yes.

[1:14:26] » Kennedy, >> yes. Motion carries with the revised

[1:14:30] account number.

[1:14:34] » Thank you so much. Thanks a lot. [clears throat]

[1:14:39] Moving on to new business number six, second amendment conditional reszoning

[1:14:44] agreement for Westlake. and uh our planning consultant uh Miss Verlet will

[1:14:49] handle this for us. >> Hi, good evening uh council and Mr.

[1:14:53] Mayor. This is uh the proposed second amendment to the conditional resoning

[1:14:57] agreement for the Westlake project which is at the corner of 10 and Dixsboro.

[1:15:03] Um the development initially included three single family residential lots

[1:15:07] along Lake Street. Uh the applicant is now requesting to combine the three lots

[1:15:11] into one single family residential lot for the construction of one single

[1:15:16] family home. The total land area zoned R3. So the boundary of what was reszoned

[1:15:21] with the conditional resoning is not proposed to change. It's just proposed

[1:15:25] to be combined into one parcel instead of three. Um however, due to the nature

[1:15:30] of the proposed change, an amendment to the conditional resoning agreement is

[1:15:34] required. Attached as supporting documents are a draft of the second

[1:15:38] amendment to the conditional resoning agreement. Um, and I'm happy to answer

[1:15:42] any questions if you have any. The applicant, Bob Langan, is also here

[1:15:45] tonight. >> Okay. So, we need a motion to bring it

[1:15:48] to the floor for discussion. Council member Dilk.

[1:15:51] » I was I did not want to um move I was I had a question. So, I'll wait to see if

[1:15:56] someone else makes the motion. >> Council member Hansen.

[1:16:00] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'll make a motion to approve the second amendment to the

[1:16:03] conditional resoning agreement and authorize the mayor and the city clerk

[1:16:06] to sign the second amendment to the conditional resoning agreement.

[1:16:09] » Second. >> I'm sure who made the second?

[1:16:12] » I did. >> Oh, council member Kurtzwell. Thank you.

[1:16:17] » So, we have a motion from Council Member Hansen, a second from Council Member

[1:16:19] Curtzwell. Do we have questions for our planner this evening? Council member

[1:16:23] Dilk. >> Thank you. Um, I kind of wanted a a

[1:16:27] discussion on why they decided to do this. And I could be remembering this

[1:16:32] wrong, but wasn't there um something about the having these uh three single

[1:16:39] family homes that would be uh affordable housing? And I it looks it to me

[1:16:45] building just one I'm assuming is going to be a huge um

[1:16:51] uh house now instead of three smaller ones um is a little concerning to me. So

[1:16:57] I just wanted to see what you thought about that.

[1:17:00] » Yeah. Um the applicant might also be able to address some of that. Um my

[1:17:04] understanding is they received interest in the three lots in only building one

[1:17:08] home um across all three. The way that the agreement was written was that it

[1:17:13] was three single family homes on three single family lots. Um I don't think

[1:17:18] that it specified that it had to be at a certain level of affordability, but we

[1:17:23] do have an expectation that it um meets our ordinance requirements for fitting

[1:17:27] with the surrounding area in terms of size and appearance and all of those

[1:17:31] things. So um it would still be expected to meet all of those requirements. Um

[1:17:36] but because the initial agreement said three homes on three lots that was terms

[1:17:41] of the agreement um and the reasonzoning and that's why when they were approached

[1:17:46] with a request from a potential buyer and they approached us with um an

[1:17:50] application to build one home that's how we got here. So

[1:17:56] legally, do we is this one of those situations where it fits in the zoning

[1:18:00] and we have to go along with it or um and it's just a

[1:18:05] um you know um just going through the

[1:18:09] motions here or is this something we can oppose if we actually want to?

[1:18:15] the way and the city attorney can weigh in. Um, but the way that the agreement

[1:18:19] was written was that you agreed to a conditional resoning of three single

[1:18:22] family lots. So, that's that's what was agreed to. Um, the lots currently meet

[1:18:27] the zoning ordinance. >> The new lot would also meet the zoning

[1:18:32] ordinance requirements. Um, but the agreement that that council agreed to

[1:18:37] was the three lots. So, I don't think it's um necessary that you that you

[1:18:42] absolutely have to agree to the amendment, but um I know that's what

[1:18:47] they received interest in and it required the amendment. So, that's why

[1:18:51] it's before you tonight. >> [snorts]

[1:18:52] » Yeah, I was I was just it I mean we went we went through this

[1:18:58] whole thing so for so long and I guess I was just really uh I don't know if

[1:19:04] looking forward to makes sense but um thinking about the fact that this was

[1:19:08] going to be um housing that would be a little more affordable and it wouldn't

[1:19:13] be another McMansion kind of situation happening. So that's just my concern.

[1:19:19] Thank you.

[1:19:23] Council member Curtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um,

[1:19:28] you know, I've worked with a lot of developers in the past and I understand

[1:19:31] that sometimes things change and what generally changes is uh consumer demand.

[1:19:40] And I don't I don't hear anything here where

[1:19:44] the developer wants to change this because he just

[1:19:50] wants to change it. He's changing it because there hasn't been a demand for

[1:19:56] three separate homes. It's his money. He's got it tied up. It's his property.

[1:20:04] And if the developer has a potential or prospective buyer that has expressed an

[1:20:10] interest in um uh building a little bit maybe of a

[1:20:16] larger home, but he wants all three lots. Maybe the person wants their

[1:20:20] privacy. I mean, I'd love to live on five acres and get away from people

[1:20:24] quite frankly, you know. So, if I could if I could afford it, um I potentially

[1:20:29] could be a prospective buyer um just to have the land and and be away from, you

[1:20:35] know, a lot of people. But what I don't like is when government thinks they know

[1:20:41] more than the person who's got the money at the stake. And I'm sure not going to

[1:20:48] um second guessess the developer. I'm not going to second guess his judgment.

[1:20:54] I think his record speaks uh for how well he has developed uh Westlake

[1:20:59] Apartments. Um it's my understanding there's a waiting list over there. Uh

[1:21:03] they're very very wellmaintained and very affordable. So I think he's made a

[1:21:07] commitment to the affordability issue and I'm not going to tie his hands and

[1:21:11] force him to sit on three parcels of land and wait until

[1:21:17] you know the end of time until somebody decides, okay, maybe I'm interested. And

[1:21:21] then he gets one lot sold. then he waits another 20 years and waits for another

[1:21:24] house to get built. If he's got a buyer in the wings and he can develop it, um I

[1:21:29] would be in favor of uh approving the agreement and keeping government out of

[1:21:33] the developers decisions. >> Council member Pova,

[1:21:38] » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um you had acknowledged that uh part of the

[1:21:44] agreement initially and you full disclosure I was not on the city council

[1:21:49] when all this took place. Um, one of the agreements of verbiage stated that

[1:21:53] anything that's built will match the aesthetics and size similarity of the

[1:21:59] current area. Okay. So then if we're going from three properties to one,

[1:22:07] are you saying that they're going to build a large home on that one property?

[1:22:12] » Yeah. Do we know? So that um requirement for infill of single family housing is

[1:22:18] uh wasn't specific to this agreement. It's within our zoning ordinance. So the

[1:22:22] expectation is that um though when it was three homes or or any home that's

[1:22:26] built on that area um is subject to the normal requirements that construction of

[1:22:33] a single family home would be. Um and so it would still be expected to go through

[1:22:38] the building permit process. As part of that, we review it to make sure that it

[1:22:41] meets setbacks and all of the ordinance requirements and meets those infill

[1:22:45] housing requirements. Um, and they have submitted their building permit

[1:22:49] application, but obviously it can't be approved until um or couldn't be

[1:22:54] approved until if council decided to amend the agreement. Um, and so that

[1:22:58] wasn't specific to this agreement. It's just a general ordinance requirement

[1:23:02] that any home that would be built there is the expectation that it would be

[1:23:06] reviewed against those requirements. Okay. Well,

[1:23:11] the homes that are in that area, they're they're cute. They have charm. They have

[1:23:16] character. And uh I know just from seeing other municipalities, I I don't

[1:23:21] want a situation here in our city where people are coming in buying up these

[1:23:26] small homes that people have been living in and now they're selling and building

[1:23:30] these McMansions. So, every neighborhood has a place. I'm not saying there's not

[1:23:35] McMansions or larger homes in the city. There are, but there are also

[1:23:39] neighborhoods that are right-sized. And I think every neighborhood at this point

[1:23:44] is right-sized. And my concern is, and which is one of the reasons why I did

[1:23:49] run for council, is I want to ensure that our neighborhoods remain rightsized

[1:23:53] and we don't have a situation where the colonials or the ranches are going to be

[1:23:59] torn down for these homes that certainly meet the requirements of the parcel, but

[1:24:04] that's not going to look like my neighbor's home or the home across the

[1:24:07] street or, you know, to that extent. So, um

[1:24:12] I'm a little concerned about this just from, you know, that [clears throat]

[1:24:15] that's my take on it. But, um I do thank you for providing the information uh to

[1:24:20] because to go from three to one, that's not telling me that that's going to be

[1:24:24] the same size home on that one that was going to be on the three. So, that's

[1:24:28] that's where I stand with it. So, thank you very much.

[1:24:33] » City Clerk Deon, we have a motion from council member Hansen, a second from

[1:24:36] council member Curtzwell. Can you please lead us in a roll call vote for this

[1:24:40] please? >> Bogurt,

[1:24:42] » yes. >> Gild,

[1:24:43] » no. >> Hansen,

[1:24:46] » yes. >> Opa,

[1:24:48] » no. >> Curtsile,

[1:24:50] » yes. >> Squires,

[1:24:52] » no. >> Kennedy,

[1:24:55] » yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you.

[1:24:58] » Thank you.

[1:25:05] » Moving on to the budget for this evening. Any discussion regarding the

[1:25:09] budget?

[1:25:12] Thanks for getting the account number.

[1:25:16] Okay. At this point, we will open the floor for public comment. Those wishing

[1:25:20] to address the council have a two-minute time frame within which to do so. Please

[1:25:24] state your name and address uh for the city clerk if you would.

[1:25:27] » Morning, Mr. Mayor. So, the attorney would like to speak with you.

[1:25:30] » Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see her back there. Thank you. Uh for the benefit of

[1:25:34] council and the public, the council rules of procedure do require names and

[1:25:40] addresses prior to speaking in public comment. The open meetings act allows

[1:25:45] city council to adopt reasonable rules to which city council did.

[1:25:51] » Thank you, city attorney Hamame. So with that in mind, anyone wishing to address

[1:25:57] the council is welcome to do so. Please approach the podium. You have two

[1:26:00] minutes within which to do so. And as stated before, it is one-way

[1:26:04] conversation. State your name and address for the city clerk.

[1:26:09] » I'm not a resident of South Lion anymore, a Green Oak. Is that all right

[1:26:14] if I speak? >> Oh, absolutely.

[1:26:16] » Okay. My name is Judy Keeling. I'm 1189 Shannonoa, South Lion, Michigan. I would

[1:26:24] just like to say uh to the cameras, being a grandmother of three and caring

[1:26:31] about children, I would love to see the cameras uh put into the city. And um I

[1:26:40] don't plan on doing anything wrong. So if they took my plate, it's okay. Thank

[1:26:46] you. >> Thank you very much.

[1:26:55] At this point, we will close public comment and move on to the city

[1:26:59] manager's report with city manager Baky. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you,

[1:27:04] councel. A few things. I've got the semary road cemetery road project um is

[1:27:11] scheduled to start soon. It's also going to complete uh around section 11. It

[1:27:17] should be done. They're hoping uh before November 1st. Bid opening for the trails

[1:27:23] uh starts the 27th of this month. So, that's a good thing. And there's a pre

[1:27:28] uh construction meeting for Well 8 tomorrow with the um the contractor

[1:27:33] source and growth. Um also want like to speak a little bit on the um

[1:27:39] the uh tank, I'm sorry, the the the well six project or the well six failure at

[1:27:44] that time. So, we did have a a construction a constructive meeting with

[1:27:50] MST to ensure that we're all on the same page. Um that speaking with Ron uh

[1:27:57] today, he's happy with the numbers and the levels in our water. So, that's

[1:28:00] good. Um so, we're looking at two weeks um before they're going to able it could

[1:28:07] be sooner. They're waiting to see what it looks like when it comes to cleaning

[1:28:10] of the well. So, but um right now we're we're all good and um we appreciate

[1:28:16] everybody's cooperation on the um on the water restrictions. Um that's a

[1:28:21] precautionary measure. It's voluntary, but just to make sure that we're going

[1:28:24] to be all set. Um that's what we're asking. And um with that, if anybody's

[1:28:29] got any questions here to here to answer them.

[1:28:34] » Council member Hansen, >> do we have any updates regarding Dixro?

[1:28:37] passed by today and and it looks like they've got the first layer down, but um

[1:28:42] are we still looking like next week or >> um I'm I am told well I'm told it was

[1:28:47] going to be mid to this week to to later I'm hoping Friday. So they they've been

[1:28:53] kind of getting getting things done pretty quickly there. So we're happy

[1:28:57] with that. Um get those roads open up. My concern was again the schools and the

[1:29:02] buses. So it looks like that's going to be met which is a good thing. So, we're

[1:29:06] looking at the latest Friday. >> Okay.

[1:29:09] » That's what I'm told. Like I said, >> and that was that was in an email from

[1:29:12] the road commission. I think that's where they were posted.

[1:29:15] » Yes. >> Yes.

[1:29:16] » Well, I I will say this. I would um like some information. I know you said you

[1:29:20] were going to get um information regarding our flock contract. I I too

[1:29:24] would like to know when that is up for renewal. Um if there is a cancellation

[1:29:29] fee. Uh additionally, I would also uh like information. I do appreciate the

[1:29:35] fact that we've got it on our um city website as far as use every 30 days and

[1:29:40] such. I' I'd be curious um how much it's being used total um you know by the by

[1:29:47] our city employees and and if there is any benefit to even pay for it and how

[1:29:51] much we're paying for it. >> Um that's I appreciate you looking into

[1:29:55] it for us and just letting us know. So >> thank you. Yep.

[1:30:00] » Council member D. >> Thank you. Um,

[1:30:04] can you tell us what's happening with the housing commission, what this issue

[1:30:07] is, and uh, you know, I was very troubled to see um, Linda's name on the

[1:30:12] resignation. So, >> yeah,

[1:30:14] » hoping for more info. >> So, and my understanding is there's

[1:30:18] some, I guess, procedure or personnel issues

[1:30:22] during the meetings um, that we're trying to address. And I will contact

[1:30:28] um, Miss Macintosh tomorrow and we'll talk about it. I don't want to speak to

[1:30:32] anything out of turn because I I want to get pretty much the inside scoop, if you

[1:30:38] will. I don't want to say anything, but there there's some issues going on with

[1:30:41] maybe some of the residents there. Okay. >> So, I'd like to look into that first

[1:30:45] before we make any comments. Um, but I do want to talk to her and figure out

[1:30:50] what we can do to um help her and to make sure that we have the commission

[1:30:54] intact. So, I just don't want to speak to anything right now that I I don't

[1:30:58] 100% know for for sure what's going on. So,

[1:31:01] » Okay. And the um other question I had is um when we are talking about getting

[1:31:06] that um water report um are we will we be able to see that um when it comes out

[1:31:12] or um will we need to wait till when >> the the water report?

[1:31:17] » Um you were talking about getting the report for uh the damage or whatever the

[1:31:22] fix has to be. Oh. Uh, for for the tank. >> Yes. Sorry.

[1:31:26] » Uh, yeah. So, I was told that it would be a couple of weeks. That was a few

[1:31:31] days ago. So, I'm I'm hoping sometime next week we'll have that.

[1:31:35] » Once we get that, we'll we'll figure out what the next part of the process is,

[1:31:40] how much it's going to cost, and how um how uh good of a repair it's going to be

[1:31:45] based on. Again, preload is the manufacturer of the tank. They were not

[1:31:50] the contractors that repaired the tank four years ago. I I don't even know

[1:31:53] their names who did that, but um it's good to go with the manufacturer. They

[1:31:58] know the insides and outs of of their own equipment. So, Ron again says that

[1:32:04] there is a fix to it. >> Great.

[1:32:07] » We'll get it to you. >> I just wanted to know if there was going

[1:32:10] to be a long time before the next meeting. I was just hoping that we could

[1:32:13] get it, you know, when it's available. >> Yeah, I can make Yes, I can I can

[1:32:17] expedite that for you. >> Thank you so much. That's all.

[1:32:22] Council member Bogurt. Uh just curious how the Pontiac Trail project's coming

[1:32:27] along. Are we still meeting targets? >> So, yep. Uh I have another meeting

[1:32:32] tomorrow at 9:00 with RCOC and Tonio. Uh last meeting, uh looks like everything's

[1:32:39] on track. Jeff and I go every nine every Tuesday at nine o'clock. Uh I take their

[1:32:45] concern our concerns that we have such as issues with the uh the um the detour

[1:32:51] and and the some type sometimes confusing left right center type uh

[1:32:57] intersection at 9 mile and Pontiac trail. Um but as far as I know it's

[1:33:02] going according to plan. Again I'm being told that mid November

[1:33:08] is when it's supposed to be done. Um and hopefully probably two to three weeks

[1:33:12] they'll be moving north to start going downtown.

[1:33:15] » Great. Um just to um add on to that um I'm not sure who manages the

[1:33:23] intersection at 10mi and Griswald, >> but there's limited um

[1:33:31] visibility when on Griswald making a left turn. You can't see to the right

[1:33:37] the oncoming traffic. There's bushes that obscure the road. So, I don't know

[1:33:42] who can address that. >> I I can talk to our CLC tomorrow at the

[1:33:46] meeting saying that there's issues with that.

[1:33:49] » Thank you. >> Yep.

[1:33:54] » Council member Curtzwell. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um,

[1:33:59] I also would like to um echo my concerns uh regarding the recent resignations

[1:34:05] from the housing commission. Um, Linda Benson is just uh she's a great

[1:34:11] individual, very dedicated, comes to the meetings. Uh, so I I was very concerned

[1:34:16] with hers and with Steve's resignation. You know, resignation letters are kind

[1:34:21] of interesting. And these two resignation letters, you know, most

[1:34:24] resignation letters are I I resign effective and and you leave it at that.

[1:34:30] Um, there are a couple of pieces of information in these two resignation

[1:34:35] letters that I don't know if I need to come to you and talk to you privately,

[1:34:40] you know, in your office, but I'm [snorts] deeply concerned

[1:34:44] um about uh some of the statements that they made and and I uh I'm not going to

[1:34:50] take time tonight to address it, but um but their concerns uh clearly did not

[1:34:57] speak to personality uh differences. So, uh that's why there's a little bit of a

[1:35:03] discrepancy between maybe what you're saying and what their um resignation

[1:35:09] letters say because what their le resignation letters say, I think

[1:35:13] requires a full council and we've got a great working council. You know, I mean,

[1:35:18] this is a incredible council. We we know how to compromise and we know how to

[1:35:22] solve problems. This may be something council needs to just come in and solve.

[1:35:27] Um uh but I I was not pleased with um the tidbits in those letters. Uh second

[1:35:33] of all, uh there is a I do want to address since you're meeting with the

[1:35:37] road commission tomorrow is um once again 9M Pontiac Trail. Um when you are

[1:35:44] on uh the south side of NMI just before the light at Pontiac Trail on the it

[1:35:52] looks like the easement that's there by Bush's grocery store. There's a massive

[1:35:57] hole there. And I'm telling you, with the kids that are walking that sidewalk,

[1:36:03] number one, somebody is going to look in that hole or a kid's going to push

[1:36:07] another kid. Now, they have a couple barrels around it, but the caution tape

[1:36:12] is ripped off on one side. You know, I don't understand why they just can't put

[1:36:16] some plywood over and cover up that hole. Uh, that is a pretty deep hole.

[1:36:22] Number one. Number two, once again, Nine Mile Pontiac Trail. I noticed over the

[1:36:27] weekend that there were um individuals that were crossing NMI and traveling

[1:36:35] north on Pontiac Trail and they could not get to the light switch because they

[1:36:41] wanted to cross again because the um the sensor that you push is in an area where

[1:36:49] they're going to be pouring cement. So to get into the area to push the button

[1:36:53] to turn the light on the signal requires people to step into a hole that is going

[1:36:59] to be filled with cement at some time and people were having a hard time

[1:37:02] crossing because they couldn't press that light. I mean I think that's one

[1:37:06] thing that these contractors sometimes need to keep in cons keep in

[1:37:10] consideration. when you're dealing with areas with a crosswalk and you've got a

[1:37:15] mechanism there to change those lights and it's three weeks out before you put

[1:37:20] the cement in. You know, a little bit of a priority there.

[1:37:24] » Yeah, I've talked to him about that whole intersection as far as the

[1:37:26] importance of safety when it comes to the

[1:37:29] » when it comes to because I know that school's opening soon and we want to

[1:37:32] have a safe passage for the kids. Um they've told me they're going to have a

[1:37:36] workaround either have it done or at least something where it's more safe

[1:37:39] where they can do that. I I I I'll reiterate to them again um that this is

[1:37:44] important and that we need a a better workaround if it if it leaves if it's

[1:37:49] not going to be poured and done that there's going to do something where it's

[1:37:53] going to be safe for that crossing. I I I've I've talked to him last week about

[1:37:58] it um because there was other concerns from individuals. So I just want to know

[1:38:03] what their plan is to to address that. I know it's difficult. I know it's, you

[1:38:07] know, it's one of those things where Yeah, I get it. But we have if there's

[1:38:11] if there's people walking there and signs there, we want to make sure it's

[1:38:14] safe. And >> I mean, I live in that area.

[1:38:17] » Yep. >> So, you know, I I'm the person they come

[1:38:20] to. I mean, you know, they stick postms on my front door,

[1:38:25] » you know, with did you know, blah blah blah. And that that's a pretty big

[1:38:28] concern. I think it's u percolating because school's getting ready to start.

[1:38:32] you've got the two um uh middle schools that are right over there. And I'm

[1:38:36] telling you, and I watched a lady and she could not get into that area to push

[1:38:40] that button >> and and change that light to cross. So,

[1:38:44] thank you for >> I'll I'll bring it up again. Like I

[1:38:46] said, I brought it up last Tuesday and we'll we'll hopefully get a better

[1:38:50] solution soon. >> Thank you so much. And last, um a lot of

[1:38:53] people, you know, I I gather around the city, see a lot of people. I'm in these

[1:38:57] subdivisions in the neighborhoods and there's nothing but praise for how this

[1:39:03] council is moving forward, how you're moving forward and what a difference the

[1:39:06] city manager makes. Um I know it's a lot on your plate. There's a lot of

[1:39:10] projects. Um but I got to tell you um you know uh everybody I've spoken to has

[1:39:17] said just incredible job that city of South Line and the staff is doing.

[1:39:21] Absolutely incredible job. >> Thank you.

[1:39:23] » So thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:39:26] So, just to follow on to Council Member Bogart's concern, should any resident

[1:39:31] have concern with obstruction of view problems on the road, feel free to

[1:39:37] contact the RCOC directly. Their phone number is 877-858-4804,

[1:39:45] or you can submit a work order on their website, which is rcoocc.org.

[1:39:50] and they're pretty responsive of replying to you that they've received

[1:39:54] it, addressing the issue, and telling you it's been corrected. So, every

[1:39:58] resident has the opportunity to do that. All right, Doug, thank you very much for

[1:40:03] this evening. We'll move on to council comments this evening,

[1:40:06] » and we'll start with Council Member Popa.

[1:40:11] » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. [snorts] Uh, I want to go ahead and wish all the kids a

[1:40:15] safe and happy school year. I want you all to challenge yourselves and know

[1:40:21] that you shall succeed because you are magnificent.

[1:40:26] And finally, um, September 11th is coming up.

[1:40:31] May we never forget what took place on that day and may we all remember who we

[1:40:36] were on September 12th. Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member. Council

[1:40:40] member Dilk. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I just wanted

[1:40:44] to say, um, I don't I didn't know Steve very well, but I just wanted to thank

[1:40:48] them, uh, Linda and Steve for their work on the housing board and say thank you.

[1:40:54] Um, and especially with Linda, uh, I'm going to reach out because, uh, really

[1:40:59] disappointing. Um, and want to make sure, you know,

[1:41:04] [clears throat] I have an idea of what exactly is going on with that. Um,

[1:41:09] and I also wanted to just say um to the Pumpkinfest organizers, I know this was

[1:41:14] a big um uh year because there's been a lot of change in not only where it's

[1:41:20] going to be, but in the the leaders who are leading Pumpkin Fest. And I looked

[1:41:24] through that map and it's um I'm actually kind of excited about the way

[1:41:29] the map looks and how um I how it looks like um Pumpkin Fest is going to go this

[1:41:36] year. and Pumpkinfest Live. And I if it goes as well as it looks like it could

[1:41:42] on this uh map, I'm kind of hoping that we stick with this in the future and

[1:41:46] don't disrupt uh the road in order to do it. But anyway, I just want to say thank

[1:41:51] you. I know it's a huge year to make those kind of decisions. I've been on

[1:41:55] the I've been on the board before and I know that it's so much work. I just want

[1:41:59] to say thank you. That's all. >> Thank you, Council Member. Council

[1:42:02] member Curtzwell. >> Thank you. Uh this Wednesday, August 26

[1:42:06] at 6:30, join everyone at the Lake Street Cruisin downtown South Lion. It's

[1:42:11] a great event. Uh Paul Peters will be there as a DJ. There'll be awards for

[1:42:15] the best in show, best engine, and best paint. Tonight's sponsors are Vanguard

[1:42:21] Motor Sales located in Wayne County. They are the nation's uh premier classic

[1:42:27] and muscle car dealership. I learned that tonight. Uh they have over 80,000

[1:42:32] square feet of indoor showroom and they ship worldwide. Uh thank you to Vanguard

[1:42:38] Motors for their sponsorship uh to this event in South Lion. Our next um

[1:42:44] sponsorship is Wixom Towing. Uh this is a family-owned operated towing company.

[1:42:50] They do uh not only car towing, but they machine haul and they have been

[1:42:55] servicing our area for decades. They provide 247 uh quick uh uh towing

[1:43:01] services all year round and uh they can do heavy and light towing. Uh frankly um

[1:43:08] I've had to use um Wixom Towing in the past and actually they were very good.

[1:43:13] Uh so I want to thank um Wixom Towing. They're just a great towing company and

[1:43:17] thank them for supporting South Line. And last, this is a special message to

[1:43:22] the people so involved in um the lake um in the cruisen and that is Doug and

[1:43:30] Debbie Cook and I spoke to Debbie tonight as she was boarding her cruise

[1:43:35] um taking her Alaskan cruise. So Debbie and Doug will not be with us on

[1:43:39] Wednesday, but uh they are off to a wonderful cruise in Alaska, and I wish

[1:43:44] them well. And I know you're going to enjoy every minute of it. And you know,

[1:43:49] those are two people that have just supported the downtown uh South Lion for

[1:43:55] many, many years. And if anybody needs a nice vacation, it's uh Debbie and Doug.

[1:44:01] And um good luck to you and we'll check in with you when you come back in

[1:44:05] September. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[1:44:08] » Thank you, council member. Council member Bogart.

[1:44:10] » Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'd like to start with my uh quote for the

[1:44:14] meeting, which is, "No one has ever become poor by giving by giving." That

[1:44:19] was uh Anne Frank. And giving is much more than just, you know, money. It's

[1:44:24] it's time. >> And there is a real need for volunteers

[1:44:28] in this community. As you can see, we have a need for people on the housing

[1:44:33] commission. We have other commissions such as the parks commission that needs

[1:44:38] volunteers. And beyond the commissions, we have South Lion Live and Pumpkinfest

[1:44:44] that are coming up. These events cannot happen without volunteers taking a part

[1:44:49] and helping make it successful. And then finally, I'd like to wish my lovely life

[1:44:54] a happy 25th. >> Love you, sweetie.

[1:45:00] » Thank you. >> Thank you, Council Member Squires. Thank

[1:45:03] you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, just wishing every all the students a happy safe start to

[1:45:09] the school year. Good luck to all the fall sports going on with a special good

[1:45:14] luck to the South Lion Freshman football team and the South Lion marching band

[1:45:19] and youth hockey cuz my kids are on those teams. Um, and uh again, a

[1:45:25] reminder that the last uh Lake Street cruise is this Wednesday at 6:30. So,

[1:45:31] let's hope it does rain and it stops before 6:30 so we can check out all the

[1:45:35] classic cars. Thank you. >> Thank you, council member. Council

[1:45:38] member Hansen. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Just a quick

[1:45:41] comment uh this evening uh to stress the importance of uh continuing to support

[1:45:46] those downtown Southline businesses. Um I finally had the chance to visit Maple

[1:45:50] House this past week. My wife actually beat me to visiting Maple House before I

[1:45:55] could. Um, so wanted to uh congratulate Maple House myself and u say that the uh

[1:46:01] breakfast was great, the coffee was awesome and uh even got to speak to the

[1:46:06] owner and and she's been just really happy with the turnout and community

[1:46:09] support. So thank you uh to Maple House for a great uh breakfast and um speaking

[1:46:15] of my wife actually uh I better wish her a happy anniversary. So that's all I've

[1:46:19] got. >> Thank you council member.

[1:46:24] Last Friday night marked the end of our concerts in the park for this year. An

[1:46:28] evening of entertainment and food available for folks in our community to

[1:46:31] enjoy in South Lion's historic village. A simple pleasure that resulted from the

[1:46:36] efforts of so many folks. Tonight, I want to recognize the individuals who

[1:46:40] made those evenings possible. I'll start by recognizing Paulie Suski, Judy Piper,

[1:46:46] and Doug Baky from city hall who kick things off by identifying the bands that

[1:46:50] would play, getting them under contract, and coordinating with the food trucks

[1:46:54] for the event. Thanks also to Paulie Suznooki for arranging with Oakland

[1:46:58] County for the use of their of their stage for the big concert in Mcatty

[1:47:02] Park. Next, I want to thank Kim Rivera for coordinating with the Lionary

[1:47:06] Chamber of Commerce as they provided additional food trucks and entertainment

[1:47:10] for the concerts, especially the foam cannon that the kids absolutely loved.

[1:47:15] In particular, I want to thank Karen and Scott Story, Joe Knap, Jr. Idia, and

[1:47:20] Steve Archeald, and the other chamber volunteers for their support and

[1:47:23] assistance during those events. Next, I want to thank our Oakland County

[1:47:27] Commissioner, Phil Wipert, Frank Fogerty, and the Southline Kuanas for

[1:47:31] providing free ice cold water for the concertgoers and the Southline First

[1:47:35] United Methodist Church for allowing folks to use their conveniently located

[1:47:39] parking lot. I want to thank Kristen Spiller and the South Line Area

[1:47:43] Recreation Authority providing the movies for providing the movies in the

[1:47:47] park on several of those concert nights and arranging for the bounce houses,

[1:47:51] games, and activities for the kids to enjoy until the movie started. I want to

[1:47:55] recognize the learning experience for providing activities and crafts as well

[1:47:59] as their mascot bubbles during those events as well as for the chess wizards

[1:48:03] for being there promoting their program and teaching and playing chess with the

[1:48:07] kids. I want to thank the Southline DPW crews for making sure the village green

[1:48:12] was cut and trimmed for each concert and for setting up the screen and all the

[1:48:16] other equipment for the movies that took place during the summer. And also thanks

[1:48:20] to the South Line Fire Department for providing water for that foam cannon. I

[1:48:25] want to thank our sponsors for supporting the concerts this year. The

[1:48:28] list includes Huntington Bank, Michigan Seamless Tube, National Readymix,

[1:48:32] Rohouse Regenerative Institute, Safebuilt, Thomas Duke Commercial Real

[1:48:36] Estate, Tropical Smoothie Cafe, HRC Consulting Engineers, and OM Adviserss.

[1:48:43] And thanks to each and every one of the bands that provided the entertainment on

[1:48:47] those Friday evenings. Finally, I want to recognize the individuals who served

[1:48:52] as MC's for the concerts. That list includes Council Member Curtzwell,

[1:48:57] Council Member Bogart, Council Member Popa, and Judy Piper from City Hall.

[1:49:01] Thank you for spending the evening ensuring the concert went smoothly and

[1:49:05] that the concert goers enjoyed themselves. Again, it was a simple

[1:49:09] pleasure on a warm Friday evening that was all made possible through the

[1:49:12] efforts of so many people. On behalf of our community, thank you one and all for

[1:49:18] a wonderful summer of music and entertainment. And on that, I will look

[1:49:21] for a motion to adjurnn. Council member Kurtz.

[1:49:24] » Move to adjourn. Second. >> We will see you on September 14th.

South Lyon City Council Meeting Aug 24 2026

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