[3:54] Mhm.

[11:34] » Mhm.

[17:47] » Thank you, Blair, for that prayer.

[17:50] We'll begin this evening with public

[17:51] comments. If you've got a public uh

[17:53] comment, we'd ask you to come up to the

[17:54] microphone and state your name and the

[17:56] city in which you reside. I'll allow you

[17:58] 3 minutes to speak, and please direct

[18:00] the entire

[18:02] council, and please be respectful. If

[18:04] you have a comment on either of the

[18:06] public hearing

[18:08] that uh we've got tonight, we would ask

[18:10] that you make your comments during those

[18:12] public hearings.

[18:17] » Paul Sturm, South Weber City.

[18:19] The comment I have tonight has to do

[18:22] with

[18:23] and it's sort of the formatting of the

[18:26] packet itself.

[18:27] The headers

[18:29] have been eliminated on every one of the

[18:32] action items. And when you're

[18:35] previewing the actual packet itself,

[18:37] it's a whole lot easier to see that

[18:39] you've changed topics

[18:41] if you had that header in place.

[18:43] And that's on pages 14, 15,

[18:46] 85, 99, and 107 in the packet tonight.

[18:51] It just makes it a whole lot easier to keep it straight when you're paging

[18:55] through it, and all of a sudden you see

[18:57] the header, and you know you've got a

[18:59] different topic.

[19:00] >> Right.

[19:01] >> Thank you.

[19:04] Paul.

[19:06] Anyone else?

[19:10] Okay, next item is to approve April

[19:13] 26th, 2026 minutes.

[19:16] Are there any adjustments or changes or

[19:20] discussion to the meeting minutes of

[19:23] April the 28th? If not, we'll look for a

[19:25] motion to approve that.

[19:28] >> May I make a motion to approve the April

[19:30] 28th, 2026 minutes?

[19:32] >> Second.

[19:34] >> All in favor, say I.

[19:35] >> I.

[19:37] » Okay, next item, public hearing. We're

[19:40] going to look for a motion to open

[19:42] public hearing for executive municipal

[19:44] officers' salary increases.

[19:47] >> I'll move.

[19:48] >> Second.

[19:50] >> Motion is seconded by Councilman

[19:51] Halverson.

[19:53] All in favor, say I.

[19:54] >> I.

[19:56] » Okay, public hearing is open. Anyone

[19:59] have any comments they would like to

[20:00] make?

[20:02] >> Mayor, prior to any comments, can I

[20:03] >> Oh, this is where you wanted to

[20:05] >> Can I say something?

[20:06] >> Yeah.

[20:06] one of the numbers on here, um the

[20:09] public works assistant director shows us

[20:10] 3.4%.

[20:12] Um that actually needs to be 6.8%.

[20:16] So, that's a difference than what than

[20:18] what the packet shows. And the reason

[20:21] for that is similar to the public works

[20:23] director position, the conversation has

[20:26] been to

[20:27] adjust the status of those positions to

[20:31] the FLSA exempt status. They are not

[20:34] currently, they are hourly. And the

[20:36] methodology um

[20:38] needed to be the same in both of those

[20:41] numbers, but but they were not. The 3.4%

[20:44] did not include that adjustment um

[20:48] to be FLSA exempt. And so, that's why

[20:50] that needs to be 6.8 instead of 3.4.

[20:54] >> Can I ask a clarifying question?

[20:55] >> You bet.

[20:56] >> Is the [clears throat]

[20:57] 6.8 already included in the budget and

[20:59] it's just a typo on this or

[21:02] was that also requiring an adjust

[21:04] adjustment on the budget itself?

[21:05] >> There will be a slight adjustment, um

[21:08] but it's not a major adjustment, no.

[21:10] >> Okay. Thank you.

[21:11] >> Yeah.

[21:13] >> Okay, thank you, Dave.

[21:16] Anyone else? Seeing no other ones, I

[21:18] look for a motion to close the public

[21:20] hearing.

[21:20] >> So moved.

[21:22] >> Second.

[21:24] >> All in favor, say I.

[21:25] >> I.

[21:27] >> You get the second from Joel.

[21:30] Okay, next item public hearing for

[21:31] fiscal year 2017 tentative budget with

[21:34] proposed property tax increase. Look for

[21:37] a motion to open this public hearing.

[21:39] >> So moved.

[21:41] >> Second.

[21:43] >> All in favor, say I.

[21:44] >> I.

[21:46] >> Okay, public hearing is open. Any other

[21:50] comments?

[21:52] Seeing none, we'll

[21:54] ask for a motion to close the public

[21:56] hearing.

[21:58] » So moved.

[22:00] >> Second.

[22:01] >> All in favor, say I.

[22:02] >> I.

[22:08] » Next item, resolution 26-17,

[22:11] uh North End Dispatch Agreement.

[22:16] Any discussion on this resolution?

[22:20] From the council?

[22:24] Okay, this

[22:25] >> Lisa, could we jump to that side, that

[22:27] portion?

[22:32] Eric, the rates and everything looked

[22:34] fairly similar, weren't they?

[22:41] » Our cost went up by just over $10,000,

[22:45] um and that's as how they've calculated

[22:47] bringing all the other agencies that

[22:49] aren't currently part of Layton Dispatch

[22:51] on board. Once they were able to

[22:52] calculate all all of those numbers,

[22:55] I think we're seeing about a $12,000

[22:57] increase over the prior year.

[23:03] » Yeah.

[23:15] » Okay, we'll look for a motion on this

[23:17] then.

[23:19] >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-17

[23:22] as written.

[23:23] >> Okay, we have a motion.

[23:24] >> Second.

[23:25] >> We have a second by Councilman

[23:26] Halverson.

[23:27] Do a roll call vote starting with

[23:29] Councilman Windsor.

[23:30] >> I.

[23:33] >> Okay, motion carries.

[23:35] I forgot to excuse Councilwoman Petty.

[23:38] She's

[23:39] uh out of town and asked to be excused,

[23:41] so.

[23:44] Next item.

[23:46] Uh

[23:47] resolution 26-18 emergency medical

[23:50] service director contract with Summer

[23:52] Grace LLC.

[23:55] Any discussion on this resolution?

[24:04] He's been doing this for quite some time

[24:06] for us.

[24:07] >> I I agree with the background memo. It's

[24:09] been It's been a good job and a and a

[24:12] very, very reasonable price.

[24:15] >> I agree.

[24:16] >> Totally.

[24:17] >> Okay, we'll look for a motion on this.

[24:19] >> Mayor, move to approve resolution 26-18

[24:22] emergency medical services director

[24:24] contract with Summer Grace LLC.

[24:27] >> Second.

[24:28] >> We have a motion Councilman Halverson.

[24:30] Do a roll call vote starting with

[24:32] Councilman Halverson.

[24:33] >> I.

[24:38] » Okay, motion carries. Thanks.

[24:41] Next, uh

[24:42] we need to move into a board

[24:44] uh meetings. We'll ask uh to suspend a

[24:47] motion to suspend uh council. I move

[24:50] convict

[24:51] >> Yeah, we got the got the insurance. Is

[24:54] that not on your

[24:56] >> No, I've had that one.

[24:57] >> There you go. That 2619 is all right.

[25:00] >> a minute. Is that

[25:01] >> Yeah, that's the bond revenue.

[25:03] >> Mhm.

[25:05] It's not on my

[25:06] Okay. Excuse me.

[25:08] We won't go into board meeting just yet.

[25:12] Uh resolution

[25:14] 26

[25:15] -19 authorizing

[25:18] the issuance of a lease

[25:21] revenue bond

[25:23] by the local building authority of the

[25:25] city.

[25:29] Can we Do we want to do that now, Dave?

[25:31] Do we want to do the board before we do

[25:33] that?

[25:33] >> I'll city first.

[25:35] >> City first?

[25:36] >> Yeah.

[25:37] >> Okay.

[25:40] Any discussion on that?

[25:46] Not, then we'll look for a

[25:47] >> Does everybody

[25:49] understand what all that is?

[25:52] >> I thought I did.

[25:52] >> Yeah.

[25:53] >> So, where we're I mean, just we we would

[25:55] narrow down to two in the last

[25:58] finance meeting.

[25:59] >> Yep.

[25:59] >> And uh that's what we were going back

[26:01] with, and that's why Zion is here. But,

[26:03] it is a good savings.

[26:06] >> Yep.

[26:07] >> Okay.

[26:08] >> You can keep

[26:09] >> We'll look for a motion.

[26:10] >> Yeah. You got another one?

[26:12] >> Here, approve make a motion to approve

[26:14] resolution 26-19 authorizing the

[26:16] issuance of lease revenue bonds by the

[26:19] local building authority of the city.

[26:21] >> Second.

[26:22] >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded

[26:24] by Councilman Iverson. We'll do roll

[26:26] call with Councilman Windsor.

[26:27] >> Aye.

[26:31] >> Okay, motion carries. Appreciate that.

[26:34] Okay, now we'll

[26:37] look to a motion to suspend council and

[26:40] move into

[26:41] to our board meetings.

[26:43] >> I'll make a motion to suspend our

[26:44] council meeting to move into the RDA and

[26:46] LBA board meetings.

[26:48] >> Second.

[26:50] >> Okay, we have a motion that's seconded

[26:51] by Councilman Davis.

[26:54] All in favor say I.

[26:59] Okay, we're now in our board meeting.

[27:02] The development agency board meeting.

[27:04] We'll begin with

[27:06] the one item here.

[27:08] Uh public hearing for RDA

[27:11] fiscal year 2027 tentative budget.

[27:16] For a motion to open the public hearing.

[27:20] >> So moved.

[27:23] » Have a second?

[27:24] >> Second.

[27:26] >> Motion and a second. All in favor say I.

[27:28] >> I.

[27:30] >> Okay, board meeting public hearing is

[27:33] now open. Anyone have any comments

[27:36] they'd like to make?

[27:38] Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to

[27:41] close the public hearing.

[27:44] >> So moved.

[27:45] >> Second.

[27:47] >> All in favor say I.

[27:48] >> I.

[27:52] » Okay, we'll adjourn from RDA and we'll

[27:55] convene to our building authority

[27:58] board meeting.

[28:00] Look for a motion to do this, so.

[28:02] >> So moved.

[28:03] >> Second.

[28:05] >> All in favor say I.

[28:06] >> I.

[28:10] » Okay, local board authority board

[28:12] meeting.

[28:14] Have an item to have a public hearing.

[28:16] We'll look for a motion to open public

[28:18] hearing for LBA fiscal year 20

[28:21] 27 tentative budget.

[28:24] >> So moved.

[28:26] >> Second.

[28:27] >> All in favor say I.

[28:28] >> I.

[28:30] >> Okay, this public hearing is open.

[28:34] Anyone like to make any comments?

[28:36] >> We got plenty of opportunity.

[28:40] » [laughter]

[28:42] » Seeing none, we'll ask for a motion to

[28:45] close this public hearing.

[28:46] >> Motion to close.

[28:47] >> Second.

[28:48] >> All in favor say I.

[28:49] >> I.

[28:52] » Next item on the agenda is LBA

[28:54] resolution 26-02 authorizing the

[28:57] insurance of

[28:58] the issuance of

[29:00] lease revenue bond by the authority.

[29:04] Any discussion on this?

[29:11] » Chairman, I'll make a motion to approve

[29:12] LBA resolution 2602 authorizing the

[29:15] issuance of lease revenue bonds by the

[29:17] authority.

[29:19] >> Seconded.

[29:20] by Councilman Davis.

[29:23] Do a roll call call vote starting with

[29:26] board member Halverson.

[29:28] >> I.

[29:36] » Okay, thank you. Motion approves. I look

[29:40] for a motion to adjourn and reconvene

[29:43] back to city council.

[29:45] >> So moved.

[29:46] >> Seconded.

[29:47] >> All in favor say I.

[29:49] >> I.

[29:52] » We are back.

[29:54] We're not I guess we're not getting all

[29:56] that for

[30:00] » [laughter]

[30:02] >> Thank you very much. We appreciate your

[30:03] work on this. It's going to save us some money. It's going to be

[30:08] great.

[30:14] Okay.

[30:19] Councilman Davis.

[30:20] >> And I second it.

[30:24] One Michelle.

[30:25] >> New business. Dave, if you got any new

[30:27] business you'd like to bring up?

[30:30] >> I have a couple things to report but no

[30:32] new business.

[30:33] >> Okay.

[30:34] Give us your report.

[30:36] >> Uh we have finalized the date for the

[30:40] public works open house for the public.

[30:42] We will begin publishing that tomorrow

[30:44] morning. We are doing an open house from

[30:48] 4:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. on Wednesday,

[30:50] June 3rd. So, a week from tomorrow.

[30:54] And

[30:55] it will be a self-guided tour, but we'll

[30:57] have staff members there to assist and

[31:00] answer questions and and talk about the

[31:02] project for people that

[31:04] want to ask questions or whatnot, but

[31:07] it should be a a pretty exciting time

[31:09] and opportunity for the public who's

[31:11] wanted to go through the building and

[31:12] see it to to see it.

[31:14] >> So, you know, that'll be good.

[31:15] >> Relating to people knowing

[31:18] » Uh we're planning on sending out an

[31:20] email, sending out through social media.

[31:22] We'll put it on the digital sign and

[31:25] try to publish that the ways that we

[31:27] normally do. If there are other ways

[31:28] that you would like us to or not to do whatever you'd like.

[31:35] Um public notices, we could do it as a

[31:37] public notice.

[31:39] Yeah.

[31:42] We don't typically do events as a public

[31:44] notice like that, but

[31:47] we could potentially do that.

[31:49] >> Can we do that?

[31:51] >> Um

[31:51] >> It's not a public body.

[31:54] It's not a public hearing.

[31:56] >> Yeah, so the the notice website's

[31:58] reserved for

[32:00] meetings of public bodies and there's

[32:02] not no public bodies meeting or acting.

[32:04] So, I think it's probably best just

[32:06] through social media channels and the

[32:08] city's website.

[32:10] >> Okay.

[32:12] Thanks for that clarification.

[32:14] >> Appreciate that. One quick note, do you

[32:16] think that they could get rid of the

[32:17] weeds at the front of the building

[32:18] before the open house?

[32:20] >> We'll do what we can.

[32:24] » Have we Have we had a meeting with

[32:25] Valley Design at all?

[32:27] >> No.

[32:28] I haven't.

[32:29] >> We have not.

[32:30] >> There's been a No, there's been a couple

[32:32] of exchanges on on some items that need

[32:34] attention, but not a true meeting, no.

[32:42] The other thing that I wanted to uh

[32:44] report on is just a shout-out to the

[32:46] fire department. Uh there have been

[32:49] necessary response for multiple fires

[32:51] over the last few weeks, and and they

[32:54] have proved themselves again and again,

[32:55] and just really want to recognize that

[32:58] um

[32:59] they they just keep proving themselves

[33:01] to the city that they're really good at

[33:02] what they do in protecting us, and um

[33:04] these fires have started for different

[33:06] reasons, but most of them have included

[33:08] an intentional, you know, ignition, and

[33:11] uh and so we need to talk about that

[33:13] maybe on a broader scale, but they've

[33:15] responded uh quickly and and limited

[33:17] damage in uh in really significant ways.

[33:20] Um could have been a lot worse, so

[33:21] shout-out to them.

[33:24] >> Okay. Anything else, Dave?

[33:26] >> Not for me.

[33:28] >> Okay, Council. Do you have any

[33:31] items

[33:32] to committee reports, anyone have?

[33:35] Wayne Adamson, you

[33:36] >> Uh we could probably give an update to

[33:37] the progress uh

[33:39] with the train clubs that uh we've

[33:41] reached out to them.

[33:43] Uh actually, they reached out to us with

[33:44] some questions about uh

[33:47] um moving forward in some of the

[33:48] insurance items, which we responded to

[33:49] within 24 hours.

[33:51] We then uh reminded them that the

[33:54] insurance items were separate apart from

[33:57] the 60 days in which to negotiate a

[33:59] contract. They're now 30 days in. We've

[34:01] still not had them reach out to us to

[34:03] set a date to begin negotiations. Um

[34:07] staff has been asked to maybe write a

[34:09] letter to them reminding them that uh

[34:12] they have until June 30th to uh have a

[34:15] negotiated agreement to be brought

[34:16] before the council before the council

[34:18] considers terminating their current

[34:19] agreement.

[34:20] Um so, we stand ready to begin

[34:23] negotiations, but the Boles on Air Court

[34:25] uh we have not received sir from them.

[34:31] » Thanks for staying on top that.

[34:33] >> We all admire him.

[34:36] >> Has he stepped down? What's his What's

[34:38] his name? Did you guys think that?

[34:40] >> Parker.

[34:40] >> Yeah, he did step down.

[34:43] >> Okay.

[34:45] Mr. Chairman.

[34:46] >> Yeah, we had a safety committee today.

[34:48] It was uh

[34:50] a lot of fun. We had some good

[34:51] interaction in there.

[34:53] Um

[34:54] but uh uh Dave kind of stole a little

[34:57] bit of thunder calling out uh the recent

[34:59] fires

[35:01] uh there but that's all right. I'll

[35:04] forgive you this time. No, I'm just

[35:05] kidding.

[35:06] You can totally find it.

[35:08] Um but yeah, I I agree with what he

[35:10] said. Um

[35:11] you know, we our responses those are are

[35:14] quick. It always reminds me of the

[35:17] maybe some of the naysayers in the city

[35:18] are like, "Well, why do we need a fire

[35:20] a full-time fire team all the time?" And

[35:23] it's like, "Well, it doesn't matter

[35:24] until it does or until your house is the

[35:26] one that's on fire and

[35:28] there's a 15-minute delay instead of a

[35:29] 2-minute delay and now your house is

[35:31] burned down to the ground and you're sad. So

[35:35] um

[35:37] that's what goes through my head my

[35:38] mind. Am I Am I the only one that thinks

[35:40] that way?

[35:40] >> No, I agree. I just like that and you're sad.

[35:43] >> [laughter]

[35:45] » So

[35:47] uh so thank you Derek and and thank you

[35:49] to your entire team for being as

[35:51] vigilant as you guys are. We appreciate

[35:52] it.

[35:54] Um oh my gosh, my mind just went blank.

[35:56] Give me a second.

[35:57] Um we also did bring up the requested

[36:01] conversation around e-bikes and golf

[36:03] carts. So I'll just kind of

[36:06] um give you kind of a high-level review

[36:09] and then I'll let Wayne and the mayor

[36:10] and David keep me honest if I'm if I go

[36:12] off track here but

[36:14] Um all right, so a couple things to

[36:16] break down here. When it comes to

[36:18] e-bikes, e-scooters, uh according to

[36:20] state law, those are considered

[36:21] bicycles. There's no way around that. So

[36:24] basically all rules with and it seems

[36:28] like there's some additional rules that

[36:30] come with e-bikes like if they are

[36:31] modified etc. That came up.

[36:34] Um so long as they're following the

[36:36] standard bicycle rules of the road then

[36:38] they're 100% allowed and that goes for

[36:41] all like

[36:42] one-wheeled, two-wheeled

[36:45] bikes, e-bikes, whatever you want to

[36:47] call them. Is that the gist of it? Is

[36:48] that correct?

[36:49] Okay.

[36:50] I'm getting the nod from Jamie. So um

[36:53] So I know there were some concerns there

[36:55] but there's not really anything we can

[36:56] do on that one unless the state decides

[36:58] to throw down some some new regulations

[37:01] in regards to that. So that's that's

[37:03] where we stand on the e-bike uh

[37:05] conversation. In regards to

[37:07] four-wheelers and ATVs, uh

[37:09] we don't have really any flexibility

[37:11] there or very little flexibility to

[37:13] where it's not really flexible.

[37:16] So the standard uh rules of the road are

[37:19] you have to be 16 and your vehicle needs

[37:20] to be street worthy otherwise it

[37:22] shouldn't happen and expect to get a

[37:24] ticket from the sheriff's office um when

[37:26] they pull you over.

[37:27] >> License.

[37:29] >> And they have to be licensed, yes.

[37:31] Um and then the big one that was that

[37:34] one of the one I think is the big one is

[37:36] the golf cart discussion. So this one is

[37:38] interesting. So we have a lot of

[37:39] flexibility in what we want to do with

[37:41] golf carts in the city.

[37:43] Um but the general consensus uh from the

[37:46] committee was that um to make sure that

[37:49] we don't uh go too far with the

[37:52] approvals and the allowance of the use

[37:55] of golf carts.

[37:57] That if we start to put restrictions on

[37:59] what we think would make the most sense

[38:00] from a safety perspective that the

[38:01] restrictions would be so much that you

[38:03] couldn't really use golf carts outside

[38:05] of your own little pocket of the

[38:07] neighborhood.

[38:08] Um

[38:09] However,

[38:10] um if if there's enough um

[38:14] If there's enough desire to start

[38:17] carving out little pockets on where they

[38:19] can be allowed and and what and how old

[38:22] we want people to be to be able to drive

[38:24] them, etc.

[38:26] Then we could draft something

[38:29] together to see if anybody would even want to go down that route,

[38:33] but before we had staff even go down

[38:35] that route, I was

[38:37] or we were curious and it's too bad

[38:38] Angie's in here cuz I'm sure she'd have

[38:40] a very strong opinion on this one, but

[38:43] uh we were just curious if we wanted to

[38:45] even go there or do we just stick with

[38:49] state code and and leave it at those

[38:51] restrictions or if if anybody felt

[38:54] >> What one is the state code?

[38:55] >> Yeah, that's what I was going to ask

[38:56] you. Yeah, so state code is basically

[38:59] um

[39:01] Yeah, basically you can.

[39:02] >> Basically no golf carts.

[39:03] >> Yeah, yeah no golf carts.

[39:06] So

[39:08] um the option would be to follow or

[39:10] mimic something like what St. George

[39:12] Vineyard was another example that I I

[39:14] didn't quite like Vineyards. I think St.

[39:16] George would be

[39:17] a better one to mimic ours off of if we

[39:19] wanted

[39:20] >> to start somewhere.

[39:22] >> Uh but again, the restrictions that they

[39:23] have is basically not allowed on any

[39:26] road that's over 25 mph

[39:28] and which means you're you're not

[39:30] crossing South Weber Drive, which means

[39:32] like I said, because of the way our

[39:34] city's designed,

[39:35] if we allow them, they're going to be so

[39:37] boxed in that almost

[39:39] what's the point of allowing them? So

[39:42] that we could carve out exceptions.

[39:44] That's definitely a part of what St.

[39:46] George does as well. They carved out

[39:47] certain exceptions like oh go on on this

[39:49] section of this road, it's allowed, but

[39:51] nowhere else on that road.

[39:53] >> Wasn't but wasn't one of the requests

[39:56] and I could be totally wrong because

[39:58] obviously a golf cart doesn't go 40 so

[40:00] not down South Weber Drive unless it's a

[40:02] modified golf cart.

[40:03] >> Right.

[40:04] >> Um

[40:05] wasn't the request from an individual to

[40:08] allow them on the sidewalk?

[40:11] >> Yeah, so we were pretty uniformly

[40:13] against the sidewalk idea.

[40:14] >> Nobody Nobody

[40:15] >> I I agree with that. That's why I was

[40:16] just curious if that if I remember the

[40:18] request

[40:19] >> it into the code if you so wish, but I I

[40:22] think that would be a horrible option

[40:24] personally.

[40:25] >> Otherwise, to me it

[40:27] I mean

[40:28] >> [clears throat]

[40:28] >> Yeah, I don't I don't think they should

[40:29] be running down South River Drive all

[40:31] the time.

[40:32] >> Right.

[40:32] >> Well

[40:33] >> That was generally the consensus is that

[40:36] we didn't want them operating on South

[40:38] River Drive. Now, the the one call out

[40:41] was, "Well, what about between 2100 and

[40:44] 89 you have an extra extra wide

[40:48] shoulder.

[40:50] And if somebody if if we would be

[40:52] comfortable with that, I think

[40:54] I'm kind of 50/50 on that one, but

[40:56] everybody else was was almost like a

[40:58] hard pass on that one. So

[41:00] >> I'm everyone else so

[41:01] >> Okay, there's only two of us so

[41:04] >> [laughter]

[41:05] >> I'm everyone.

[41:10] » So, I think

[41:11] >> I'm I'm okay with allowing them anywhere

[41:12] but under 30 or 25, but that's that's

[41:16] restricted. I mean, that would be a just

[41:17] a blanket thing across this

[41:19] but that's just something people would

[41:21] have to learn.

[41:22] >> Yeah.

[41:22] >> I mean, cuz there's a lot that go

[41:24] around. I mean, there's

[41:26] 10 or 12 that go around my neighborhood

[41:28] all the time.

[41:29] >> Yeah.

[41:29] >> I mean whether they're adult I mean, a

[41:31] lot of them are adults driving them.

[41:33] >> Yeah.

[41:33] >> So, I mean, that's totally I'll leave

[41:35] that up to the committee for

[41:36] recommendation.

[41:37] >> understand why St. George had them

[41:38] starting in January. You know, with all

[41:40] the golf courses down there and uh

[41:43] the tenured

[41:45] uh people who live down there um that's

[41:47] probably their mode of transportation.

[41:49] Uh it made sense to have some sort of um

[41:51] additional requirements to what the

[41:52] state had to allow certain things like

[41:54] that cuz people own um the golf carts.

[41:57] As Jeremy was saying here, if if we're

[42:00] you know, one the age of the driver was

[42:03] part of the restrictions in the code. Um

[42:05] 16 and above. Um and then the speed

[42:08] limit. If you putting them on roads that

[42:09] are above 35 mph

[42:12] who's who's at risk? You know, you got a

[42:14] semi, you know, you can't control things

[42:16] that are going down South Liver Drive.

[42:17] You get an 18-wheeler or even a big dump

[42:19] truck coming down there and uh it just

[42:22] it makes for a very uncomfortable

[42:23] situation. Uh

[42:25] and then one of the destinations,

[42:27] you know, the golf course, where people

[42:28] want to go, you know, maybe they go to

[42:30] the elementary school, maybe the rec

[42:31] center, Maverick, uh see or the other.

[42:34] So, these are where people go. Those

[42:35] seem to be the areas that people may

[42:37] want to go to do the candy run or

[42:39] whatever you want to do, but how do you

[42:41] going to get there if you list if it's

[42:43] 25 30 [clears throat] miles an hour or

[42:45] less or 25 miles an hour or less?

[42:46] There's no route to get there. So, now

[42:48] it's like, okay, are are you setting

[42:50] them up to, you know, just jet across

[42:52] the the Frontage Road or just jet across

[42:54] South Liver Drive and now

[42:56] yeah, they're adults or near adults and

[42:58] they got to make decisions, but

[43:00] yeah, at what point do you people want

[43:01] to push that limit? So, the question

[43:03] became, do we want staff to move forward

[43:04] and put something together like that

[43:06] knowing it's going to be,

[43:08] you know,

[43:09] blocky? I guess was the was the

[43:11] terminology that was used. Uh or do we

[43:13] say, you know, by all that effort, it's really not worth having, so why

[43:17] spend the time? That was kind of this question we wanted to ask

[43:20] the council.

[43:21] >> Yeah.

[43:22] >> Do you think Do you know what the state

[43:24] code is for drivers 16 and above?

[43:28] Or is it absolutely no one?

[43:30] >> No golf carts on public

[43:31] >> No golf

[43:31] >> Yeah.

[43:33] >> I thought we couldn't supersede state

[43:35] law.

[43:40] » You're not. State law establishes a

[43:42] default rule.

[43:43] And so, the default is no golf carts,

[43:46] and then there's space for cities to

[43:48] allow them.

[43:49] And it points out the different

[43:53] elements of the use of a golf cart that

[43:55] a city can restrict. So, you can

[43:57] restrict the age of the driver,

[43:59] the locations where golf carts can be

[44:02] driven,

[44:03] the speeds of the locations where they

[44:06] can be driven and then

[44:08] um whether they can allow passengers in

[44:11] the golf cart or not.

[44:14] >> Well, I would just say that if I I would

[44:16] prefer

[44:17] um instead of just letting it go

[44:20] willy-nilly, that we do have staff

[44:23] um sit down put together age

[44:26] um

[44:27] just thinking through it here, I know I

[44:30] can make it from all the way over from

[44:33] Maverick um to

[44:36] um at least the school and now beyond it

[44:39] going a little bit further. So, I think

[44:42] you're right. As long as we're looking

[44:43] at, okay, is the real question

[44:46] are we looking for

[44:49] two or three people that want to be able

[44:50] to cross the overpass

[44:53] to get to Maverick

[44:55] or are we talking about we've got just

[44:58] so much demand that everybody else wants

[45:00] to be able to drive their golf carts up

[45:02] and down the roads constantly?

[45:04] >> Yeah, that that

[45:05] I get them on my road and every time

[45:09] it's underage kids.

[45:11] Every time they are hanging on to the

[45:14] sides.

[45:15] Um they're not driving it responsibly.

[45:17] They're driving it as if they're having

[45:18] fun.

[45:19] Um and if they're going to do that,

[45:23] that's one thing, but as soon as it

[45:24] starts endangering other people,

[45:27] then I think we do have to step in and

[45:29] say, "Okay, um

[45:31] if it's going to cause damage to

[45:33] vehicles that are around there,

[45:34] um then it shouldn't just be a free pass

[45:36] for them to go."

[45:38] But, if we get it to an age of you know,

[45:40] 16, then

[45:41] yeah, if you can drive a car or you can

[45:43] drive a a motorcycle or a four-wheeler,

[45:45] yeah, you should be able to drive a golf

[45:47] cart any place if that's what you really

[45:49] want to do. Uh like you said, they don't

[45:51] really go fast, so

[45:53] if I'm 16, if I can have a four-wheeler

[45:54] or a golf cart, I'm definitely going

[45:56] with a four-wheeler.

[46:00] Oh, I would, too. All you have to do is

[46:01] increase the

[46:02] and that's going to increase the amount

[46:03] of

[46:04] >> [laughter]

[46:04] >> golf carts

[46:05] >> So, so one one of the things that came

[46:07] up is I think it was

[46:09] St. George example is that as soon as

[46:12] they instituted the rule, they saw a big

[46:15] influx in golf carts. So, that was

[46:18] something that was just an interesting

[46:21] fact. I'm not sure if that would hold

[46:22] true everywhere. You would As soon as

[46:24] you announce that golf carts are now

[46:25] allowed, are you going to see a bunch of

[46:27] people buying golf carts to where now

[46:29] it's a

[46:30] more popular thing to do than it once

[46:32] was? I don't know.

[46:33] >> And it sounds like anecdotal evidence

[46:35] cuz unless they're writing a lot more

[46:37] tickets, which they wouldn't be, but

[46:39] again, going back to almost your point,

[46:41] if we're going to give them the freedom

[46:44] to do it, and we set the age,

[46:47] then why not? If we want to have, you

[46:49] know, everybody wants to buy a golf

[46:51] cart, and they're going to follow the safety guidelines and the age

[46:54] guideline, and making

[46:56] of course that it's street legal, um why

[46:58] not? I mean, that's that's the good part

[47:00] about when you legislate things, and

[47:02] everyone else wants to do it. As long as

[47:04] they follow the law, you know,

[47:06] >> Yeah, I think I think the point is if

[47:08] we're going to go down the road of

[47:09] creating our own rules, I think we

[47:11] should do it in a way that

[47:13] Well, if every other person in the not

[47:15] every other person, but if we saw a big

[47:18] influx in golf in golf carts, does the

[47:20] rule still make sense or not? I think

[47:22] so.

[47:22] But, it sounds like what I'm hearing is

[47:24] that you guys are generally

[47:26] interested in seeing what a hypothetical

[47:29] rule could look like,

[47:31] and then making a decision based on kind

[47:35] of what we come back with. Does that

[47:36] >> Yeah.

[47:36] >> sound

[47:37] >> Suggest the age.

[47:38] >> Uh-huh.

[47:39] >> That's all. Okay.

[47:41] The only The only big concern, and

[47:43] that's why I brought up the cars, is

[47:44] that with a golf cart, you don't have to

[47:46] have insurance unless you are made

[47:48] street legal.

[47:50] Um so, not only are is it just going

[47:52] around, there's no requirement for a

[47:54] golf cart to have

[47:56] >> I don't I don't believe cities can

[47:58] require insurance on golf carts. They're

[48:01] state code designates classes of

[48:03] vehicles and so you have

[48:05] off-road vehicles are one class,

[48:07] bicycles are a class, automobiles are a

[48:09] class

[48:10] and they define

[48:12] golf carts as its own category.

[48:14] >> Yeah.

[48:15] >> And so I don't think the restrictions

[48:17] that you could take up would not get

[48:19] into

[48:20] insurance requirements. It would just be

[48:23] the age of the operator, whether they

[48:25] can have passengers, at what hours can

[48:28] they operate the vehicle, and on what

[48:30] streets or facilities can they operate

[48:33] the vehicle. That's it. You can You have

[48:36] a lot of room for policy choices within

[48:38] those categories, but those are the

[48:39] things you can regulate.

[48:41] >> Yeah, so exactly to my point. They don't

[48:44] have any insurance if they crash into a

[48:45] car.

[48:47] So

[48:48] >> I think the well the liability lies on

[48:49] the parents at that point, right? And

[48:51] that's where you have like an umbrella

[48:52] policy as a parent or or liability

[48:55] >> policy. Homeowners Those are under

[48:57] homeowners.

[48:57] >> Yeah.

[48:59] >> So

[48:59] >> All right, Dave, do you have enough to

[49:01] go off of?

[49:02] >> Yeah, Jamie and I'll work on a draft and

[49:05] then the only question I have is does

[49:07] that come back to the whole council or

[49:09] does that go back to the committee?

[49:10] >> committee first for like a first draft,

[49:12] yeah. I think that makes sense. And then

[49:14] I think where we start is I think we

[49:16] just mimic St. George and and make some

[49:17] adjustments that make sense for our

[49:18] city.

[49:19] And then I like the callout that we had

[49:21] in the committee of

[49:23] highlighting the roads where would be

[49:25] allowed based on the rules and then that

[49:27] can give us a good visual on

[49:30] I think I remember who whose idea that

[49:31] was, but that was a good idea.

[49:32] >> Like

[49:33] >> Okay. Yeah, I understand what you mean.

[49:35] So

[49:36] uh that'd be really good to see. So if

[49:38] we can include that, I think that'd be

[49:39] good.

[49:40] >> Yeah, start with St. George.

[49:45] » Perfect. That's all I got man.

[49:46] >> Hey, great. Appreciate it. Joel?

[49:48] >> Yeah.

[49:48] >> Done.

[49:50] >> Larry?

[49:50] >> Nothing to report.

[49:53] » Same with that, then we'll

[49:55] uh look for a motion to adjourn.

[49:57] >> So moved.

[49:58] >> Second.

[49:59] >> All in favor say aye.

[50:00] >> Aye.

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