[0:00] harvest a little bit, but there's been

[0:03] lack of water.

[0:16] » It's not a fuller

[0:37] Why did you get off?

[4:52] started. It's 5:00 and we've got a lot

[4:54] to discuss and we just

[4:57] an hour. So, let's

[5:00] started uh Tuesday, June the 9, 2026.

[5:05] We're going to begin our city council

[5:07] work uh session tonight and discuss the

[5:11] general plan. Uh so

[5:15] with that, we need to every five or so

[5:19] years need to review the general plan if

[5:22] there's any changes,

[5:24] additions,

[5:26] whatever we feel we may need to do or

[5:29] maybe we might decide we do not need to

[5:31] do anything to our agenda, which is

[5:33] fine, but we need to review it. And so

[5:35] that's why we're having this meeting

[5:37] this evening. And uh still with that in

[5:41] this if I'm not mistaken

[5:45] some visitors

[5:48] this is a work session so it is not

[5:51] meeting any comments from visitors

[5:56] with that being said Dave is going to

[5:58] lead us in this discussion so we'll turn

[6:00] the time to our city manager Dave

[6:03] >> Larson

[6:07] knows being

[6:10] [clears throat]

[6:11] >> um maybe I have

[6:20] » should

[6:22] be fine.

[6:23] >> Hey, how's that?

[6:28] » Sorry.

[6:29] >> Thank you.

[6:31] >> Thanks, Mayor. the uh the kickoff from staff is that uh when

[6:38] the council talked about having regular

[6:42] updates to the general plan uh this

[6:46] February, we discussed the the timing

[6:51] and the council suggested that we don't

[6:53] need a full update process similar to

[6:56] what we did in 2020, but there might be

[6:59] a better idea to do targeted amendments.

[7:01] And so we're looking at the

[7:03] idea of amending specific areas. And in

[7:07] order to kick that off and have the

[7:09] planning commission and the city council

[7:10] all in the same room to talk about kind

[7:12] of the scoping of those amendments and

[7:15] uh and what that target really means

[7:18] when we say targeted, what what does

[7:20] that look like? What is the scope? So

[7:21] tonight, the hope is to wrap our arms

[7:24] around what that scope is um

[7:26] [clears throat] jointly between the

[7:28] planning commission and the city

[7:29] council. And then from there the

[7:30] planning commission will meet and uh

[7:33] discuss recommendations and eventually

[7:36] uh provide a recommended amendment list

[7:41] essentially to the city council for for

[7:43] review. So um that's the the general

[7:47] overview and um staff is here to just

[7:50] take notes and and understand exactly

[7:52] how the planning commission and city

[7:54] council would like to scope the project.

[8:00] Okay.

[8:02] So, let's begin the discussion.

[8:08] » I think the thing that kicked us off

[8:11] initially was that uh cloud area

[8:16] and then we were because I know there

[8:18] was some debate on well we just kind of

[8:19] threw that in because we didn't know

[8:20] what else to do with it. Is that

[8:22] basically how you put it?

[8:24] >> Well, some options there. you just

[8:26] haven't known. So I think we should come

[8:29] to a consens consensus on that space.

[8:32] Um [clears throat] there was there was a

[8:35] lot of

[8:37] um info on the trails in the packet. I'm

[8:42] not as familiar with the trails, so I

[8:43] don't have any opinion on that one, but

[8:45] I

[8:47] imagine there's some opinions on the

[8:49] trails. But

[8:51] uh the only other area that I that I

[8:53] think we need to discuss is when it

[8:55] comes to the current um agricultural and

[8:59] residential rural areas.

[9:01] Does that still make sense or not? And

[9:05] even maybe the res moderate, does that

[9:07] still make sense based on how we came to

[9:10] consensus five or six years ago now?

[9:13] Does that help kick off the conversation

[9:15] everybody? I would agree because the

[9:17] cloud areas we want to talk about it I

[9:19] think because we were all waiting on

[9:21] development and development is not

[9:23] funny. So getting that nailed down so

[9:26] that there's not that question mark

[9:28] lingering because I think most of us in

[9:30] this room were either there as part

[9:32] citizens or city council or planning

[9:34] commission. So for the minutes purpose

[9:37] can you specify the cloud area? Yes, he

[9:40] is

[9:43] >> on the cat property.

[9:46] >> Yeah, I think we I think we had it on

[9:49] one other spot, too. But

[9:51] >> can you

[9:53] >> It was clouded, but it was potentially

[9:57] residential patio

[9:58] >> and wasn't on along Old Fort

[10:00] >> and it was along Old Fort Road on the

[10:04] Peak and Cap property.

[10:10] won't go away.

[10:16] How many other cross will go away?

[10:25] Thank you.

[10:30] Lisa,

[10:30] >> do you have the map? Do you have a

[10:32] zoning map that you can pull up on

[10:33] there?

[10:34] >> Yes.

[10:37] Trying to get this little I'm trying to

[10:39] get the cell to go down.

[11:07] All right.

[11:10] » Open.

[11:14] » Put your

[11:16] mouse on your XL box at the bottom. You

[11:18] can tell

[11:21] >> that should work.

[11:25] » Do we think it'll work?

[11:27] >> Sorry.

[11:30] That's really your last

[11:32] thing.

[11:34] All right, get into the general.

[11:49] » I believe this is what you invited to.

[11:53] >> That is it

[11:56] right there.

[12:01] So I think we have maybe let's tackle

[12:04] the commercial area. Is there any

[12:08] changes any tweaks that anyone feels

[12:11] like we need to make in commercial

[12:13] property

[12:15] zone?

[12:17] I'm kind of confused. Uh isn't this the

[12:20] meeting at which we're going to kind of

[12:21] go over what we want you guys to really

[12:24] look at and make decisions on?

[12:26] >> Focus on.

[12:27] >> Okay. So, are we just making the

[12:29] decision now?

[12:31] >> No, I feel okay.

[12:34] >> Just scoping it. Scoping it to what we

[12:36] want. Planning comm.

[12:39] >> I do think that's one area to maybe kind

[12:42] of fine-tune um that we've been

[12:44] discussing Old War Road Bubble Cloud.

[12:47] Um, I would like to put out there the

[12:49] area that is south of Maverick

[12:53] and north of

[12:56] 2750, I think, is the road where it's

[12:59] still there's a commercial zone and then

[13:01] there's a residential zone, but it's

[13:03] kind of on the same parcel.

[13:05] >> I would like to kind of hear people's

[13:07] thoughts on where they're wanting that

[13:09] to be.

[13:10] >> Is that about the above Mies?

[13:13] >> Morties.

[13:13] >> Yes. Yes. Basically, south of Nordies.

[13:16] Yeah, I think it's another cloud area if

[13:19] I'm remembering.

[13:21] >> Yeah, those are the two cloud sections

[13:23] >> that were kind of left. So, yeah, that

[13:27] was a little gray club.

[13:35] » One's the residential. Mm-m.

[13:40] » I think right now it's fall designated

[13:41] commercial, but

[13:44] >> there's a little piece that's still

[13:46] >> teeny tiny piece. It's residential.

[13:47] >> It's agriculture.

[13:50] >> Current zoning fit the projected land.

[13:52] Yeah. And so a reszone would be required

[13:55] to get all of it to look like

[13:58] >> the projected land.

[14:00] >> But cloud creates a question.

[14:02] >> What is it currently? Most of it is the

[14:05] commercial highway, but the southern

[14:08] portion is

[14:10] >> but that cloud represented that we would

[14:13] we were open to some kind of residential

[14:17] >> commercial, you know, mixed use. I don't

[14:20] know what it was, but that it's not

[14:22] defined. So, it kind of left it up there

[14:24] as the gray area that we wanted to find

[14:27] it. We don't. Well, in essence, we've

[14:29] been

[14:31] five years now since we've never looked

[14:33] at it. That area has changed and we know

[14:35] some of the things that are coming in

[14:37] across the street from it.

[14:40] >> Um,

[14:41] and the traffic situation that's around

[14:43] there. I think it's a very good thing

[14:45] for us to look at um because it may be

[14:48] better as just straight residential

[14:50] right now. Um, but that's going to be a

[14:53] hard place to put it and see what goes

[14:55] in. Um but commercial going up that way.

[15:01] Um I don't know. I I look at Morty's car

[15:05] wash there and it's doing fine. Um and

[15:08] it is a very visible location from the

[15:11] freeway. So I think there's an argument

[15:14] for both whether it's commercial,

[15:16] residential, or a mixed use. Um I would

[15:18] love to have planning commission kind of

[15:21] look at it and see what they think would

[15:22] go best there and what they would

[15:25] recommend. prime suspect for putting in

[15:28] the scope for sure. Yeah, because I mean

[15:30] it that area right there has changed

[15:33] quite a bit. Um and it's going to change

[15:39] doubly in the next little bit here. So,

[15:42] um

[15:44] I think since I've been here, I don't

[15:45] think anybody's even brought anything

[15:48] forward

[15:49] is on that.

[15:56] commercial

[15:59] I thought like a flex space etoning

[16:04] we had storage units we had workshops

[16:07] like industrial workshops we had town

[16:09] homes

[16:10] >> and then we had a town home storage unit

[16:14] combo

[16:16] so maybe only four but every single one

[16:19] wasn't quite

[16:21] what I think was needed for that space.

[16:23] I do still feel like there is

[16:25] residential on the

[16:28] east or no west side. There's a house

[16:31] that I I kind of feel like a residential

[16:33] buffer still needs to somewhat be there

[16:36] and I wouldn't want to live there as the

[16:37] residential buffer, but

[16:40] I also wouldn't want to live right next

[16:41] to the car wash with the dings and the

[16:43] lights. So,

[16:44] >> but I think if we go through that and

[16:46] look at it and say, "Okay, this is this

[16:48] is what we're going to put in. we're

[16:49] going to put in a buffer. It'll probably

[16:50] be, you know, say like a medium um

[16:53] residential area. I'm just making stuff

[16:54] up right now. Um but then we need to go

[16:58] through it and make sure that that zone

[17:00] has coding that says

[17:02] >> here's Yeah, that protects that because

[17:05] >> the idea was always to have residential

[17:07] zones get more populated as you go

[17:11] towards commercial areas to act as more

[17:13] of a buffer. But just from seeing what

[17:15] we've done on buffers on a couple of

[17:16] different other areas, a lot of it's

[17:18] just been ad hoc of well, we can change

[17:21] this and we can move that and um I would

[17:24] just make sure that the general plan,

[17:25] which isn't that specific, talks about

[17:27] making sure all of our

[17:30] buffer zones are

[17:33] protected and some ideas on what needs

[17:36] to be protected and then we could change

[17:37] that in code. Have we ever had anything

[17:40] come up kind of going along South River

[17:42] Drive opposite of where the pits are?

[17:45] Those two red commercial zones, I

[17:47] believe they're both city owned, the one

[17:49] right at the bottom. Has anything ever

[17:51] been presented for those? Cuz they're

[17:53] still zoned agricultural, correct?

[17:56] >> We have

[17:58] agriculture

[17:59] for everyone to do the mult.

[18:04] » Okay.

[18:06] like apartments, more apartments.

[18:10] >> Back to the piece that we were just

[18:12] discussing, we did have someone come in

[18:15] last Dave, do you want to help?

[18:19] >> Yeah. With the idea of uh people looking

[18:21] at that area right on 2700 East, another

[18:25] uh potential types of project that was

[18:27] presented uh was a hotel.

[18:31] So as we talked about different ideas

[18:33] that have presented on that and that's

[18:35] the latest idea that has been talked

[18:37] about. So they wanted a hotel right

[18:39] across from where the apartments are at

[18:40] >> right next to the car.

[18:50] » There's no way with parking.

[18:54] » Depends on how they go.

[18:59] » Would we have a hotel that close to us?

[19:02] >> I don't think our code would.

[19:04] >> I don't think our code says.

[19:05] >> Yeah. And our code doesn't say, then

[19:07] maybe we need our code to designate how

[19:09] we protect the school zones.

[19:12] >> It's it's three acres. It's probably big

[19:14] enough.

[19:15] >> Yeah.

[19:17] >> And this is this is kind of why I was

[19:19] bringing it up originally was that a lot

[19:21] of this has changed so much. And um and

[19:24] just because it was personal, if we look

[19:26] down at the bottom of 2100 where uh I

[19:29] live and drive every day, we have that

[19:31] big open corner lot that has been

[19:34] everything from a Unitarian church to,

[19:36] you know, neighbors um four-wheeler

[19:40] park, but that one is currently mental

[19:44] highway, which means the same things

[19:46] we're talking about canary. So I guess

[19:50] part of the question that I have for the

[19:53] planning commission is as we come into

[19:55] the city really what do we want that to

[19:57] be? How far do we want to take the

[20:00] commercial? Because we can take

[20:01] commercial all the way, you know, over

[20:03] to the S-curve, but is that what we want to do? I mean, we do have

[20:09] the high winds. We have those kind of

[20:11] areas. We've got some good retail, not

[20:14] retail, but commercial that has already

[20:16] come in and doing well. um and some that

[20:18] are slowly growing.

[20:21] We know we need more retail for um the

[20:26] tax burden to be moved from the citizens

[20:28] over to you know commercial base.

[20:33] I think it'd be real good for you guys

[20:35] to take a look at that and just really

[20:37] decide what are the entrance ways. And

[20:39] that means same thing over there 475

[20:42] although much more limited. We only have

[20:44] a a few spots but at the same time if it

[20:49] is a

[20:50] if that becomes a productive spot real

[20:53] quick because general RV just takes off.

[20:55] Um there's people that would quickly buy

[20:59] um couple of areas if they thought that

[21:01] they would be able to take down the

[21:02] homes and put in commercial there.

[21:03] >> Yeah.

[21:04] >> Um I think channel RV for what would do

[21:07] it just

[21:09] >> option right now for removing houses to

[21:11] put in

[21:12] >> all it takes is changing the zone.

[21:13] Right.

[21:14] >> True. So, so from a scoping standpoint,

[21:17] what I'm hitting is the idea presented

[21:19] of looking at commercial at the

[21:22] entryways or more broadly speaking, look

[21:25] at the entryways to the city uh as part

[21:29] of the scope, the areas of scope. Look

[21:31] at the entries to the city. Is that fair

[21:33] to say?

[21:33] >> Reflection.

[21:34] >> Yeah.

[21:35] >> I think the other thing that we need to

[21:37] pull out is that I don't know if there's

[21:38] ever been anybody been any interest in a

[21:40] hotel actually being built in our city.

[21:42] So maybe we need to look at removing

[21:45] that as an option in code. So that is

[21:47] >> it would have to come through city

[21:48] council an exception in order to be

[21:50] approved. That might be

[21:51] >> that's the thing is that they don't if

[21:53] it's not in our city um code zoning code

[21:57] we can still do it. It just means it's

[21:59] not an automatic pass through

[22:01] >> right

[22:01] >> and even uh if it's an unconditional use

[22:04] if we don't have enough to go against it

[22:07] can still go right there. So, um, yeah,

[22:10] I I agree with you. Absolutely.

[22:12] >> Sure. I would add that to as part of the

[22:15] takeway is review what's allowed in the

[22:17] commercial zone and recommend things

[22:20] that maybe we we would never want in the

[22:23] city that we are allowed to take out

[22:25] because I think when Trevor was here,

[22:27] there were a couple of callouts that he

[22:29] said we had to include some kind of call

[22:31] out for adult businesses or something

[22:34] like that.

[22:36] >> It was really weird. But they're part

[22:40] Jamie could speak to that maybe.

[22:41] >> Yeah. So they're what I would call vice

[22:43] industries. So

[22:46] >> marijuana dispensaries,

[22:48] sexually oriented businesses. The rule

[22:52] under state laws if you don't

[22:55] somewhere then you cannot exclude them

[22:58] anywhere. So you have to pick somewhere

[23:01] in the in the city that

[23:04] where those things would be located

[23:07] because if you don't do it, you can't

[23:08] prohibit it. So that's kind that's sort

[23:11] of how it works. And it always it always

[23:13] feels a little weird to city councils to

[23:16] say we're going to zone for this thing

[23:18] that we hope never happens, but you have

[23:21] to do it. So maybe that's the takeaway

[23:23] is pick a spot

[23:27] and we specifically zone that spot a

[23:29] very specific zone so that it

[23:31] >> we already have that right now.

[23:34] >> Where do we have what? Where do we zone

[23:36] for that?

[23:37] >> Slide down to the right.

[23:38] >> Yeah, we'll

[23:40] point it out.

[23:46] » Can you slide the picture down to the

[23:47] right point?

[23:48] >> It's down. It's down by the storage

[23:52] >> right there.

[23:55] >> The PI zone transitional light

[23:58] industrial is the zone that allows

[24:03] » and if we go back to protecting our

[24:05] schools and doing a radius that goes out

[24:08] just to where the edge of that is, that

[24:10] would be pretty. And that's the only

[24:13] zone

[24:14] >> y

[24:14] >> that's designated like that. That's

[24:16] >> Does it have to be a certain size or

[24:18] anything? There just has to be a zone

[24:20] dedicated for that purpose for all of

[24:22] it.

[24:23] >> If it was so small that nothing could

[24:25] ever develop there or you put it in a

[24:27] location where when you draw radius from

[24:30] schools, churches and that kind of

[24:31] thing, it never would it never could

[24:34] possibly go there. Then you expose

[24:37] yourself to having somebody, you know,

[24:39] sue and overturn it. So, it has to be

[24:41] somewhere where if the property owner

[24:44] decided they wanted to do it, it could

[24:46] happen. But I think you have to look.

[24:51] It's unlikely for that.

[24:53] >> They shrink it into a mixed use. So,

[24:55] they could do all three, you know,

[24:57] dispensary to

[24:59] just

[25:02] the Amsterdam model. That's what it's

[25:04] called.

[25:06] >> The Amsterdam zone.

[25:08] >> You thought about this.

[25:11] I've got another area I'd like to bring

[25:12] up.

[25:14] Another one focus in on Central Park.

[25:18] >> I think we had this discussion council

[25:34] » where the fire station is here.

[25:37] >> I got to keep going.

[25:38] >> Yep. Yep. And then you see

[25:41] >> there's some right there. It's fine.

[25:43] [clears throat] There's some discussion

[25:44] in updating the central parks master

[25:47] plan to include and this is just big

[25:50] picture thinking uh relocating city hall

[25:54] to the center into that area. See fire

[25:58] station the rec center and all that

[26:00] central area. So the question became, is

[26:03] that want to have some sort of business

[26:07] zoning nearby around it? So we go in

[26:10] there and buy up some of those

[26:11] residential lots, tear the houses down

[26:13] and have a little commercial area around

[26:15] your central

[26:16] >> your central hub. So that's a question I

[26:19] put out there about proposals.

[26:21] I'm saying is that something we want to

[26:23] consider as a future zoning around that

[26:26] area? We're going to have our fire

[26:27] station there or city hall. I don't know

[26:30] if you got a library or whatever. I'm

[26:32] just picking things up. You want do you

[26:34] want to have a transitional zone or do

[26:36] you want to have sound?

[26:40] » I like that to discuss.

[26:43] >> It's just a thing to discuss. We're

[26:45] going to do it. That would be the time

[26:46] to consider that.

[26:48] >> But yeah, I think the city council was

[26:50] when we talked about that for finding if

[26:52] we were going to relocate city hall,

[26:53] that would be the place we'd like to be

[26:55] located. Central Park.

[26:59] >> A planning term is a small area plan.

[27:03] >> Yes.

[27:03] >> If we had kind of a central park or city

[27:07] center small area plan as the

[27:10] consideration.

[27:11] >> Yeah.

[27:12] >> Is that head nods from the decision

[27:14] makers? Am I putting that on the list?

[27:17] >> Yeah.

[27:18] are looking at

[27:23] » when the council talked about this in

[27:26] February, one of the ideas that was

[27:29] brought up was uh to look at the current

[27:32] undeveloped land regardless of zoning.

[27:36] Uh there is a math that was used back uh

[27:39] when the general plan was created to

[27:42] assist in calculating undeveloped ground

[27:44] and what the potential buildout

[27:46] population could be. We could update

[27:48] that map based on projects that have

[27:50] been completed in the meantime that

[27:52] essentially provide a list or a map of

[27:55] properties that are currently

[27:56] underdeveloped.

[27:58] Would that still be something that the

[28:00] council would like in the scope?

[28:02] >> Yeah. Has the map been updated? I think

[28:04] this maybe ties along with what you're

[28:06] saying for all of the reszones that have

[28:09] been approved in the last 5 years has

[28:11] the maps

[28:12] >> the current zoning map.

[28:13] >> So current zoning map is all updated

[28:16] >> that happens.

[28:18] >> You do want that

[28:21] page

[28:22] >> when

[28:25] broken down by zoning and by current

[28:28] acre. um how many houses that we allow

[28:31] on it currently by the splits that we

[28:32] have and the adjustments that we have in

[28:36] uh suggestions and what we've been

[28:38] building out. Um basically it comes up

[28:40] to the total buildout yield left. We've

[28:43] got um 477.77

[28:47] vacant acorage,

[28:50] [clears throat] excuse me. Um taking out

[28:53] about a 10% reduction for various

[28:56] unbillables uh gives us about 429

[29:00] um that gives us about again these are

[29:03] just estimates

[29:05] 156 potential dwelling units on the

[29:08] remaining vacant parcels. Um, if you

[29:11] combine that with the 2,200 somewhat

[29:13] existing, um, that gives us the buildout

[29:16] of 3,316

[29:18] dwelling units or 12,900 residents. And

[29:23] you guys can take that and use it and

[29:24] check the data and do whatever you guys

[29:26] want with it. Um, but yeah, it does it

[29:30] does show a lot of that. Actually, what

[29:32] it kind of uh brought up to me was that

[29:35] if we're going to have 12,

[29:38] 900 residents, um we're really going to

[29:42] have to look at how we're going to get

[29:43] the funding for that through the

[29:45] commercial. And if we really do have the

[29:48] ability to do it with what we've already

[29:50] made um commercial highway or whatnot,

[29:55] um we may have to look at other

[29:56] alternatives whether we do want to

[29:58] change something down 475 or whether we

[30:00] want to change something. I don't know

[30:03] where. It's just that's a lot of houses

[30:06] and a lot of people to I mean we would

[30:10] be talking about a lot of increase to

[30:11] tax or

[30:13] >> does that include unincorporated? No

[30:15] land that's all just incorporated south.

[30:20] >> So what happens if we potentially get

[30:22] out of that? Like what is our capacity

[30:24] for like Sunset Junior High at some

[30:26] point?

[30:27] >> We even know like what those numbers get

[30:29] before we have to consider an

[30:31] alternative

[30:32] >> and South Elementary and Hark that too.

[30:34] I mean those already exist. That's just

[30:36] adding two potentially.

[30:38] But like at what point does sunset not

[30:41] work for however many more kids?

[30:45] >> Well, I think they're already at 37.

[30:50] >> So, yeah, much higher.

[30:52] >> Yeah. I don't think the school districts

[30:54] ever going to bring a junior high to

[30:56] South. We were I think Sunset is our

[30:59] junior high and if new junior high needs

[31:01] to be built, it's going to be west of

[31:03] Sunset Junior High.

[31:05] >> Okay. Yeah. Right.

[31:06] I know the school district has looked at

[31:08] property in the past in South Wever, but

[31:11] the most recent conversations was about

[31:14] looking at South.

[31:16] They've just built something somewhere

[31:18] else to accommodate whatever.

[31:20] >> We had that conversation just recently

[31:24] >> on that

[31:26] I think.

[31:31] So, I would like to bring someone else

[31:33] though. Um

[31:35] as we look at the map and we see some of

[31:37] the big uh areas that we have. Um we

[31:42] always talk about all the hazard that we have where we live. Uh whether

[31:46] it's the fire hazard, we all know about

[31:48] the uh the wind that we have constantly

[31:51] and the sand that comes through it. um

[31:54] you know, we've got we've got some areas

[31:56] that are very sensitive over on the

[31:58] unincorporated side when you start

[32:00] getting into default buying and those

[32:02] kind of things. But, um

[32:06] as part of this, I wouldn't mind seeing

[32:08] or understanding if we could use

[32:12] overlays

[32:13] for specific areas. So, if you have a um

[32:18] if you're in the middle of a fire zone

[32:20] or along the side where we know that

[32:22] there's a lot of fires that are

[32:23] constantly happening, um does that

[32:25] require a certain size lot with a

[32:27] certain amount of um foliage, you know,

[32:30] removed to a certain area or does that

[32:32] mean when we start doing um any of the

[32:37] infrastructure that we have to have

[32:38] additional, you know, fire fighting

[32:40] measures? um the wind. We know where it

[32:43] gets hit the hardest and we know what's

[32:44] going on with the gravel pits. And it's

[32:46] almost a joke now how many people say

[32:48] that they've lost sighting, they've lost

[32:52] um shingles, and they've got red sand in

[32:55] their windows. Um those are kind of

[32:58] things that could be added as an overlay

[33:00] to those areas and only to those areas

[33:03] that just say, "Okay, you need to and

[33:06] you guys would be better at it. you need

[33:08] to have, you know, 40-year chambers

[33:10] instead of 30 or you have to have wind

[33:12] resistant this or I don't even know when

[33:14] all is out there, but it would be really

[33:16] interesting

[33:17] places where we know new citizens and

[33:20] buildings are going to be coming in that

[33:23] we look at the overlays and say, "Okay,

[33:26] this is the additional or the upgraded

[33:28] um uh requirements for those small

[33:32] areas." adding on to that because I'm

[33:34] seeing steep slopes but I'm also our

[33:36] sensitive lands our sensitive lands

[33:39] designation and overlay is very vague

[33:41] and we've had it come up before and

[33:43] we've really not had a way or a means to

[33:46] really say because you're in this

[33:48] sensitive lands overlay these are the

[33:51] steps these are what you have to take to

[33:54] mitigate whatever that sensitivity is

[33:57] and so I don't know if the steep slopes

[33:59] and a sensitive lands overlay is the

[34:01] same thing or different you know two

[34:02] sides of the same brain, but I wouldn't

[34:05] mind doing that.

[34:07] >> Well, Brandon, is that something that on

[34:09] the like or something that we could have

[34:11] us

[34:13] in case

[34:14] >> there's a whole code section? Is it?

[34:16] >> Yeah.

[34:19] >> I got a city built

[34:21] that.

[34:21] >> Yeah. Essentially that you refer to the

[34:24] map to see if your ground if that area

[34:27] is considered to be potentially

[34:29] sensitive and then the code outbines

[34:31] here's all the things that we need to

[34:33] look at

[34:35] >> and if there is anything that's

[34:36] identified that needs to be mitigated

[34:39] that they need to they need to um

[34:42] propose whatever those mitigation

[34:44] measures might so I have to ask a

[34:46] question this is this a general plan

[34:49] topic because Does this sound more like

[34:52] a code topic not a a land use topic?

[34:58] » Okay. And identify which properties when

[35:01] they developed would need to look at

[35:03] that sensitive land code section and

[35:05] follow those requirements. So that's

[35:07] where the sensitive land map matters is

[35:10] to say we're we're considering this

[35:12] sensitive and the the definition is very

[35:14] broad. It it could be all kinds of

[35:16] things that make it sensitive. But then

[35:18] the sensitive land code section is what

[35:21] dictates the requirements there.

[35:25] >> So the general map that's really broad

[35:27] and saying these are areas of the city

[35:29] that

[35:31] do more due diligence in your develop

[35:34] only places that that where that code

[35:36] does not apply are the areas that don't

[35:39] highlight it. So if you develop in any

[35:41] of those other areas, you don't have to

[35:44] use that section of the

[35:49] >> that's a pretty fair chunk.

[35:53] >> Yeah. Right.

[35:53] >> It was it was intended

[35:54] >> some of air force.

[35:56] >> Yeah.

[35:56] >> And for example on the landing that

[35:58] comes in there um there's other codes

[36:00] that are are being written for crash

[36:03] zone

[36:04] >> uh that that we have. Um, does that need

[36:07] an overlay that says windows in need to

[36:10] be at a certain level? Again, this is,

[36:12] you know, zoning cuz, you know, those

[36:14] F-35s are doing, you know, 80 plus

[36:17] decimals right now. And yeah, if

[36:20] anything's going to be built there,

[36:22] having that,

[36:24] you know, upgraded windows are something

[36:26] I think

[36:28] >> something us looking out for. So,

[36:31] >> Jamie, I cut you off.

[36:33] >> Oh, you're okay. I I think it's I don't

[36:36] want what I'm about to say to come off

[36:39] as a reason not to do that because I

[36:41] think it is appropriate. I just want to

[36:43] temper expectations a little bit because

[36:45] a few of the things that you mentioned

[36:47] Joel might not be possible.

[36:49] >> Yeah. like the choice of exterior

[36:51] materials,

[36:53] the architecture of residences, the

[36:56] legislaturator's paired back city's

[36:57] ability to do that a lot over the last

[36:59] few years

[37:01] >> and um unless it's a historic district.

[37:04] I don't know that you're going to be in

[37:06] the way that you're proposing. I would

[37:09] say go down the path. Let's look at it

[37:10] and then we can

[37:12] >> um filter out those few things that

[37:14] might not apply. For commercial, you

[37:16] certainly can require that

[37:18] >> because I think Lehi is the one that I

[37:19] got that off of where they've increased

[37:21] the five years of shingle warranty on

[37:25] it, which wouldn't necessarily be a um a

[37:29] look and feel type of

[37:30] >> Yeah, that's an interesting question

[37:32] whether it where it fits and that I

[37:34] don't know the answer

[37:35] >> and it may not work. Again, this is just

[37:37] the digest stage. So,

[37:41] I do think that that something that I

[37:44] mean analogous to what you're talking

[37:45] about, Joel. Yeah. And something that I

[37:47] I'm interested in kind of throwing out

[37:50] is also looking at um what other

[37:55] potential uh land use the pit could be.

[37:59] Um because that ties into that sensitive

[38:02] area um and can be addressed in a

[38:05] different way. Um I I I very vividly

[38:09] remember you, you know, saying that

[38:11] you're you're really excited to, you

[38:13] know, one day you be

[38:16] water skiing across Lake South Beaver

[38:19] someday.

[38:20] >> I'm not saying the Amsterdam program all

[38:22] over again, but no.

[38:24] But but you know if that if that is like

[38:27] the only

[38:29] you know like purported thing that

[38:32] that's going to end up being well by

[38:36] let's let's dive into that pun intended.

[38:39] >> Um

[38:40] >> but if if we're like if that is maybe

[38:43] not the reality of that you know because there was a whole study done

[38:47] right I mean they said that it would

[38:49] take about 9 to 13 years to fill that

[38:51] pool. Um very

[38:54] >> water rights available and with weather

[38:57] patterns and deep climate. Um, you know,

[39:00] do we do we put that on the agenda to

[39:03] talk about that maybe we can say could

[39:06] this land be potentially used for

[39:08] something else

[39:13] and gravel pits on the scope.

[39:17] Don't want to stop the commission from

[39:19] coming up with any of it.

[39:23] So, there's one other little piece of uh

[39:25] commercial property on east side 89

[39:27] that's in my backyard that I would like

[39:29] planning commission to look like and

[39:31] look at as well.

[39:35] » Projected land

[39:38] >> and see if we want to keep that

[39:40] commercial or we want to possibly change

[39:43] that.

[39:43] >> That the place where the gymnastics

[39:46] coming

[39:48] there.

[39:50] Is it the yellow one or the

[39:51] >> that little red one?

[39:53] >> Exactly.

[39:53] >> Okay.

[39:56] » Did they ever come back? Because I know

[39:58] that was unfortunately in timing of a

[40:00] lot of transition.

[40:01] >> Yeah, they sold that. There's a new

[40:03] owner there and he when he bought he

[40:06] came and wanted to do uh high density,

[40:10] you know, town homes is what he wanted

[40:11] in there.

[40:13] Right.

[40:17] » No, but we might look at something else.

[40:21] >> There's another pink right there.

[40:25] >> It is.

[40:26] >> It's on a dead end street. You know,

[40:29] it's not a just a lot of traffic up

[40:32] there. And so I wonder if Marshall is

[40:35] really what

[40:37] >> the other pink had to stay there because

[40:39] that's what's

[40:40] >> Yeah. Isn't that a storage unit? You

[40:42] could change it projected. It's

[40:43] >> Yeah, that's where the storage units

[40:45] are.

[40:45] >> Yeah.

[40:45] that's storage.

[40:46] >> That's why we left it that way. But we

[40:48] could change it to anything we want for

[40:49] projected in the future.

[40:51] >> Tattoo room.

[40:52] >> So then you can

[40:54] >> otherwise you could have a weed store in

[40:56] there. Yes.

[40:57] >> That zone does allow things other than

[40:59] those things.

[41:00] >> I know.

[41:01] >> Does it allow for a liquor store?

[41:03] >> I understand. We want to solve our

[41:05] problems.

[41:05] >> We missed We missed out. But

[41:08] >> no, I think we could still very much get

[41:10] one.

[41:12] How did we visit? I'm curious maybe

[41:13] because I don't know if I know how the

[41:15] that conversation went.

[41:16] >> What I understand

[41:19] people

[41:19] >> and they said no, but it was like the

[41:21] whole

[41:22] >> it was shot down drastically across the

[41:25] city.

[41:26] >> I put one they sold it to the top of the

[41:29] hill. If you look they put a brand new

[41:31] on top of the hill

[41:35] » and Farmington got one too.

[41:40] Scotland is bigger than right now.

[41:46] » Yeah, they're educated. So, where you

[41:48] going?

[41:48] >> Yeah. Where do you pick up?

[41:50] >> I

[41:53] not that one. [laughter]

[41:55] >> One of one of the properties is one of

[41:57] this one here is getting filled in. What

[42:00] is the plan of that? Right now, it's

[42:03] slowly filling in. It wasn't open.

[42:06] >> We hope when they get it filled, they'll

[42:07] cap it. Get rid of that. We don't find

[42:10] sadness.

[42:11] >> But is that is that annex in South or is

[42:14] that on the other side or

[42:15] >> are you talking that blue section,

[42:17] Chris?

[42:17] >> The top this one's getting

[42:19] >> I don't know if that's in South

[42:22] Carolina

[42:24] in part in our county.

[42:30] » Drive by slowly filling up.

[42:32] >> What's that blue zone? Yeah, darker blue

[42:37] and dust.

[42:38] >> Oh, yeah. The other side of the river.

[42:42] >> You can click on it.

[42:44] >> Light white light and dust.

[42:47] >> Light industrial.

[42:49] >> No,

[42:50] >> go to the arrow to the right.

[42:53] The arrows on the top.

[42:56] >> Industrial.

[42:58] >> Well, that's what I'm saying now. And

[43:00] the blue one is commercial recreation.

[43:05] » That's your

[43:06] >> on the other side is the one.

[43:09] >> Are those two different?

[43:11] >> Yeah.

[43:14] » Oh, gotcha. Gotcha.

[43:17] >> Yeah. I can't imagine we want his own

[43:19] residential.

[43:23] » I think I think believing that it's that

[43:26] is fine.

[43:29] Well, there may be an advantage of

[43:31] telling it we want it to be commercial

[43:33] and seeing if some of these big guys out

[43:35] there will put some pressure on the

[43:38] seller to instead.

[43:40] >> Exactly.

[43:42] >> Interesting. I don't know

[43:43] >> because like it's down in the pit.

[43:45] >> It's it's not visible the city

[43:50] does drop and

[43:51] >> increases the revenue tax base revenue.

[43:56] >> Okay, here's one annexation. What do we

[43:58] want? We want any look at any annexation

[44:02] pieces.

[44:03] >> Has anybody approached the city wanting

[44:05] to annex in?

[44:07] >> It's on the It's on a general plan.

[44:09] >> Yeah, it is on the general plan and it

[44:10] says that um we're willing to

[44:13] >> So, how much of the cost? I think it's

[44:16] like 50% of the cost of bringing people

[44:21] in for annexation over there. So, this

[44:24] piece of property that I would like to

[44:26] bring up and it'll be a fun discussion

[44:28] for the planning commission.

[44:31] See where the Oh, there's a little

[44:33] point, Lisa, that just zoom in on that

[44:36] one. Right. Just right. Zoom in. Right

[44:38] there.

[44:39] >> Just there.

[44:41] >> Oh, now now go. Well, drag it that way.

[44:43] >> I don't know what you're doing.

[44:44] >> I know. Right there.

[44:46] >> Now, now go

[44:47] >> right there. Stop.

[44:48] >> Right there.

[44:48] >> Go. You went too far.

[44:51] >> I didn't stop. So, the one with with the

[44:54] little point coming down here. Yep. That

[44:57] whole piece right there is currently

[45:01] being used

[45:02] and it's an unincorporated Weber County

[45:06] or Davis County.

[45:07] >> Oh, you're talking about evergreen being

[45:09] used.

[45:10] >> It's being used as evergreens. They're

[45:12] grinding. They're hauling trucks in and

[45:14] out of there. They're mixing dirt in and

[45:16] out of there. They're doing concrete in

[45:17] and out of there. They're coming up the

[45:19] road. There's a huge road coming up. It

[45:21] all up and it's probably Brandon, how

[45:24] big is that?

[45:25] >> Oh, it's about

[45:26] >> 100 acres

[45:28] >> probably

[45:29] >> of just flat flat ground. I had the

[45:32] chance to walk that

[45:34] and the fact that it's being used. It's

[45:38] being used as a commercial/industrial

[45:40] business.

[45:42] It's basically coming down and going

[45:44] through our city. We're dealing with the

[45:45] dust of it. Why are we not incorporating

[45:48] that? Why are we not getting the

[45:50] revenue?

[45:51] >> Right. Right.

[45:53] >> Um I get it. This is a discussion where

[45:56] if you look there's a little small small

[45:58] blue dot right there. I No, it's up a

[46:01] little farther. That's our well that

[46:05] brings up the road over the hill

[46:06] discussion

[46:08] >> and going down.

[46:09] >> You mean reservoir, not well

[46:10] >> or reservoir? Yeah.

[46:12] >> Does that count 2700 or? No, they go

[46:15] over this way and down and hit South

[46:18] Drive.

[46:18] >> 1900,

[46:19] >> but the one that where our reservoir is

[46:22] goes down.

[46:24] >> That was that whole discussion of can a

[46:27] road ever go over the top there. But

[46:29] they build a road going over and that is

[46:32] being used. It's to me it should be

[46:35] something that we

[46:38] encourage to be annexed and be

[46:41] encouraged to be some kind of either

[46:43] currently commercial cuz that's what it

[46:44] is or something.

[46:46] >> I mean basically getting a

[46:51] >> and and running a business and just

[46:53] going through the county with just a

[46:55] typical county business license.

[46:57] >> Yeah.

[46:58] >> And we have no control over the dust. No

[47:01] control over anything. Yeah.

[47:03] >> And and the county doesn't do anything

[47:04] with it because it's over the hill.

[47:07] >> We we we have the we have the

[47:09] infrastructure that could handle that.

[47:12] It needs to be something that we do more

[47:15] than just open lands because that's what

[47:16] we have it listed as now.

[47:21] » But I'll let you guys have that

[47:23] discussion. plane probably had a

[47:25] different opinion than I did,

[47:28] >> but I don't want everybody to shoot it

[47:30] down unless they go look at it because

[47:32] it blew my mind when I walked that when

[47:35] everybody kept talking about what it

[47:36] would take to get up and over and

[47:38] service this. Well, it's already done.

[47:42] If there's dump trucks with pups going

[47:44] up the hill on it and and great big long

[47:49] uh belly dumps are going up it. So

[47:51] they're going up 1900 east that

[47:54] >> No, I think they're coming off of I

[47:56] think they're coming.

[47:57] >> They're coming. No, I think they're

[47:59] coming in. No, they're coming in off of

[48:00] South Wever Drive.

[48:01] >> Exactly.

[48:02] >> There's a there's a great big road cut

[48:04] up the side hill of South Wever drive

[48:07] soil. I'm looking at it right now.

[48:09] >> Yeah. Someone free up

[48:11] >> really discussion.

[48:13] >> Can you go to Google maps?

[48:16] the lab right there.

[48:21] » It's I can't tell where you're

[48:27] » showing

[48:32] right here.

[48:34] >> Yeah, you can see right there.

[48:36] >> All this right here.

[48:37] >> If you [clears throat] come back,

[48:39] they got comes over and down.

[48:43] Well, that they then they're running

[48:45] that they're not running that big truck

[48:52] on the map as you walk. I'm still not

[48:54] following

[48:58] that way.

[49:01] >> So, oh, come down.

[49:02] >> Zoom in.

[49:04] >> Oh, stop. So, I came in right here, but

[49:07] this is this is the golf course up at

[49:09] Hill Air Force Base, but it's all this

[49:10] ground. what

[49:12] >> is being used.

[49:14] >> Where's the road that you're talking

[49:15] about?

[49:15] >> So, there's one that comes over here

[49:17] that they've cut and you can see it from

[49:18] over here. You can't see it on any of

[49:20] these, but then they're also accessing

[49:21] it.

[49:22] >> We were just looking at it. Where's that

[49:25] come down?

[49:26] >> Turn it on satellite. You can actually

[49:27] see

[49:28] >> I don't know if they're coming over this

[49:29] way.

[49:32] » They come past they're also coming up

[49:35] like this.

[49:36] >> So, they're not coming up 1900. That's

[49:38] all.

[49:39] >> Yeah. But there, if you go up over here,

[49:42] you can see the road they've cut.

[49:44] >> They come in from Leighton side and they

[49:46] drive down that road and they cut from

[49:48] South Weaver side.

[49:49] >> So that's the road to figure out where

[49:50] you're talking.

[49:51] >> I believe it's come their main one's

[49:52] coming off of South Weaver Drive.

[49:54] >> Yeah. So I saw it just the other day,

[49:56] >> but it's just cut last summer. They cut.

[50:00] >> It is.

[50:02] >> How do they cut a road in South Weaver

[50:04] without South Weaver knowing about it?

[50:06] >> Well, that's what I was asking. Yeah,

[50:08] >> I think it's just past I wouldn't have

[50:11] noticed it, but I was at the driving

[50:12] range for for a wedding. That old

[50:14] driving range over there and there were

[50:16] bulldozers going up the side of the

[50:17] hill.

[50:19] >> That 1900 East,

[50:22] but I don't think that's updated enough

[50:23] right there to show the one coming down.

[50:25] >> If it's Google Maps, it is. If you keep

[50:28] on going over

[50:30] the county's area is recent, is it? If

[50:33] you go over there, you'll be able to see

[50:34] it. You know where the farms are at? I

[50:37] think

[50:43] » it should be right across from Yeah.

[50:44] Right right about over there. Zoom

[50:46] around.

[50:50] » Well, maybe I was looking for

[50:54] accessing from the 1900 road. I don't

[51:00] there were dump trucks in

[51:02] there 193

[51:08] » I know they did that.

[51:09] >> Okay then I then I could be wrong

[51:12] >> but that's I thought I saw him coming

[51:14] this way.

[51:14] >> It's not like I said I saw two days ago.

[51:17] You know where the the road goes up. A

[51:19] guy has a farms and he allows people to

[51:21] use the pavilion up there. It's

[51:23] literally just past that that you can

[51:25] see it come up straight into the past.

[51:33] » Oh, you're talking about that.

[51:36] >> Yeah.

[51:36] >> And that one goes right up to the top of

[51:38] that hill. It shows it connected right

[51:40] to it.

[51:42] If you come farther down south,

[51:46] » this is the area.

[51:53] » That's where that is down farther.

[51:56] >> And maybe that's the road I would see.

[52:02] » Well, there is a road that goes all the

[52:04] way along the canal.

[52:05] >> Yeah. Right here.

[52:07] >> I mean, we've all Well, most of us have

[52:09] been on that. There's that road right

[52:10] there.

[52:14] » And then as you come farther down

[52:24] gets farther away and then you're

[52:26] approaching.

[52:27] >> So they come off that bench area there.

[52:30] It's flat where's

[52:33] right here too. That's our

[52:37] >> that's how we 1900 East. There's a dirt

[52:39] road that is gated and locked. There's

[52:42] an access road up to the city's water

[52:45] tank, which is this spot right here.

[52:48] >> But the road to the south comes up north

[52:50] around our tank comes down that road.

[52:52] She just panned out of it.

[52:53] >> Yeah. This is the road right here.

[52:56] >> Suns bel.

[53:01] » So they're using the old dump.

[53:03] >> That's how they're getting. That's how

[53:04] we get

[53:05] >> that's how we get. Yeah.

[53:08] >> Either way, I still think

[53:11] >> it's in it's in ouration plan.

[53:14] >> I agree with it. It's

[53:16] >> I think we should look at it.

[53:17] >> It's a huge piece of property.

[53:19] >> I don't my question is why

[53:23] >> how do they service utility service?

[53:25] They want

[53:26] >> they want us

[53:28] to take all the utility. They want them

[53:31] action.

[53:35] Yeah,

[53:37] >> all of their annexation plan and our

[53:39] annexation plan crisscross.

[53:41] >> It's only the it's only that the like

[53:44] >> light blue.

[53:45] >> Is that the only one that crisscrosses

[53:46] now?

[53:47] >> That's the only one that's

[53:48] >> I mean when we update this we'll have to

[53:52] coordinate with them to see if they

[53:54] changed their but at the time this was

[53:56] done that's what conflicted or overlap.

[53:59] >> So we talking about periwinkle right

[54:01] because those could both be considered

[54:02] light blue. Yeah.

[54:04] >> To me, there's the larger areas are

[54:07] purple and the small area is blue.

[54:11] >> Okay.

[54:11] >> It's the small area.

[54:14] >> The small the small area. To me, the

[54:17] same thing would apply down where those

[54:19] farms are though.

[54:20] >> Is it closer to Blair or this shirt?

[54:23] >> Yeah.

[54:25] Wherever Wherever Dave was showing those

[54:28] the farms, it's the same thing is

[54:31] there's

[54:33] they're I mean they're up there with

[54:34] dual wheel tractors all the time running

[54:36] them. I mean it's it's it's huge. It's

[54:39] several hundred acres of ground that

[54:41] could be something that's

[54:42] >> it's beautiful.

[54:43] >> Yeah.

[54:45] >> So what do you think residential up

[54:46] there? No, I I really don't have the

[54:48] answer to it. But I just think if we're

[54:50] going to I mean if you you start talking

[54:52] about how constrained we were on a

[54:54] budget this year.

[54:55] >> Yeah.

[54:56] >> Wait till the next budget cycle.

[54:58] >> One thing that always consider if we're

[55:00] going to do anything but open space up

[55:02] there access

[55:09] and there's no way to really get a road

[55:10] up there that's not going to create a

[55:11] beer conversation about

[55:14] >> more transportation getting in flight

[55:16] until it's it spirals out of control.

[55:18] You got to understand I services.

[55:21] >> I don't I don't disagree and

[55:23] >> that's why planning commission had that

[55:24] discussion, but I'm actually not scared

[55:26] of that discussion. So I I think that's

[55:28] it's fine. I did that people want a

[55:30] handcuff.

[55:32] >> I mean I think we're we're I mean when

[55:34] you're talking property taxes

[55:37] where we're going to be at in a few

[55:38] years on budgets, unless something

[55:40] drastically changes, you're you're

[55:42] talking major property tax increases.

[55:45] So, um, tied into your recommendation,

[55:49] >> I want to talk about the road.

[55:51] >> I knew you would. That's why I

[55:52] >> absolutely [laughter]

[55:56] I do. I want to talk about it because,

[55:58] you know, we have people that are

[56:00] concerned about access.

[56:01] >> Okay. But also people that are concerned

[56:03] about discussion for planning

[56:04] commission. [laughter]

[56:06] >> So, yes, it's on your agenda.

[56:12] » I'm going to shoot it down. you put it

[56:13] on there

[56:14] >> and it's already in there. People have

[56:16] already decided. I mean, it's kind of I

[56:18] mean go from one general plan to the

[56:20] next. My question on what you're talking

[56:22] about though is I'm more wondering what

[56:24] the ROI is to take all of our

[56:26] infrastructure and move it up there. If

[56:27] they especially want to put a type of

[56:29] housing or or light construction other

[56:31] than what's going

[56:33] >> up there if they're going to develop it,

[56:34] they have to

[56:36] >> Well, in our general plan, it actually

[56:37] says that we'll pay like 50% of it. So

[56:40] maybe

[56:41] >> I don't recall that%

[56:43] of the cost to get the but

[56:48] that

[56:51] » Brandon says no

[56:55] » I have to go see if I can say it out.

[56:57] >> I was really kind of confused on that

[57:00] over on that side but it says we're

[57:01] going to support the infrastruure. So,

[57:02] we got about 5 minutes and then we've

[57:04] got a better page 9 or excuse me, line

[57:07] 9:15. Financing for infrastructure

[57:09] expansion would primarily be carried by

[57:11] developers of these properties. There

[57:13] may be need for the city to participate

[57:15] in the financing of some facilities to

[57:17] improve service to an existing

[57:19] development existing. So,

[57:22] >> horizontal development. Yeah. Well, you

[57:24] you're familiar when when we if you have

[57:28] if we have to upsize

[57:30] >> to plan for future development, we do

[57:32] that all over time. I think that's all

[57:34] that's said.

[57:34] >> Yeah.

[57:35] >> So, if we have to be there in five

[57:37] minutes, the other one is the

[57:39] >> our transportation. [clears throat]

[57:42] >> I there are some things on that that

[57:44] need to be up.

[57:45] >> They're just out of

[57:46] >> but they're pretty just

[57:47] >> Is there a way to summarize those and

[57:48] put them in money?

[57:50] >> I think good. Sure.

[57:55] >> I mean, because there's some roads that

[57:56] have been stopped and cut off and moved

[57:58] elsewhere.

[57:59] >> Roads that have been created and culacs

[58:01] and all sorts of stuff.

[58:03] >> Well, in like 9 925 needs to be

[58:06] realigned.

[58:07] >> Those kind of things I was getting in.

[58:09] So,

[58:09] >> the problem we have in the city is the

[58:10] east west access

[58:13] south drive is the only east west access

[58:15] between 1900 and and 75. There's no

[58:19] other way.

[58:19] >> We're getting very close. Yeah.

[58:22] We need to look at the east west

[58:26] side

[58:29] connects

[58:33] property.

[58:34] >> It's finally going to push through.

[58:38] >> Where is that connecting up on the east

[58:39] end?

[58:41] >> Connects to uh

[58:43] >> 8300.

[58:44] >> The road becomes right along the edge of

[58:45] the hill over there.

[58:49] 7600 Southw

[58:52] drive.

[58:52] >> I don't know.

[58:54] >> It's [clears throat] just the top of

[58:55] 1900

[58:56] >> top of 1900.

[58:58] >> Okay,

[58:58] >> that now will go through

[59:00] >> punch on three will come out here.

[59:02] >> I understand

[59:04] all elementary school kids.

[59:05] >> It's not definite.

[59:09] » Just go on that.

[59:09] >> May I summarize what I've heard so far?

[59:12] My notes are good on what's in the scope

[59:15] and what's just been talked about but

[59:16] didn't make the on the list. So, first

[59:20] I'm going to say these are definitely

[59:22] the items that I I saw everybody said

[59:25] yes or nod your head. We want them on

[59:27] the list. So, both cloud areas,

[59:30] entrances to the city with the sub

[59:32] question of how and where commercial

[59:34] goes, how far it goes, uh city center

[59:37] idea, any undeveloped property, the

[59:40] evergreen annexation questions, and the

[59:43] transportation map based on Brandon's

[59:46] recommended sections. other items that

[59:48] were discussed that I didn't feel a

[59:50] consensus. So tell me if it's included

[59:53] enough. They just say yes or no. They

[59:56] can ask that be ready to do it. I just

[59:58] wanted to clarify on the road sections.

[1:00:01] Are you wanting me to make

[1:00:02] recommendations on how to update that or

[1:00:05] simply just point out this area needs to

[1:00:07] be updated?

[1:00:09] >> Can you do both?

[1:00:13] » I'm just a little hesitant on road

[1:00:15] >> for a small C.

[1:00:19] one connect.

[1:00:21] >> I'm I'm fine to say what I give you my

[1:00:24] first flush of what's

[1:00:26] >> what I think we should plan for

[1:00:28] >> in the end. You do that anyway. So the

[1:00:30] planning commission and then look at

[1:00:32] your recommendation and then their

[1:00:34] recommendation.

[1:00:36] >> So I'll do it.

[1:00:38] >> Um so yes or no the concept of rogue to

[1:00:43] lady.

[1:00:44] >> No. Sure. Yes. Yes.

[1:00:48] >> I feel like we have to talk about it.

[1:00:49] >> Yeah.

[1:00:51] >> To talk.

[1:00:52] >> I'm just talking. I just heard that

[1:00:54] verbally and it was mixed. So, raise

[1:00:56] your hand. Three. If it's at least talk

[1:00:59] about it, we can talk. We can talk.

[1:01:01] >> You're still a minority in the room.

[1:01:04] >> Raise it high and hold it so we can see

[1:01:06] what Yes or no? Yeses. Yeses.

[1:01:09] >> Okay. Any

[1:01:16] Then yes, the road to lighten will be

[1:01:18] discussed by the planning commission.

[1:01:21] >> It's just a discussion that it's our

[1:01:23] job. I feel like that part of our plan.

[1:01:27] >> Okay. Gravel pits was brought

[1:01:32] to

[1:01:34] >> I think the discussion on the gravel pit

[1:01:36] can happen. I just think that we can't

[1:01:39] do anything with it until we find an

[1:01:40] alternative for me. So yes to gravel pit

[1:01:48] » the question I was ask for this time

[1:01:50] around no

[1:01:52] >> is there anything on the general plan

[1:01:53] that concerns you right now

[1:01:55] >> about the gravel pits if there's not if

[1:01:58] you go like well like to your point it's

[1:02:01] pretty unknown we do you do want to show

[1:02:04] something I like the idea of the future

[1:02:06] reszones to apply pressure that ahead

[1:02:13] I like I mean I like discussing it for

[1:02:16] that from that point of view that we

[1:02:18] could

[1:02:19] >> if we can convince somebody that it's

[1:02:21] worth their time and effort to convince

[1:02:23] them to

[1:02:25] >> move on.

[1:02:27] I think that's worth it to

[1:02:28] >> Yeah, I I see some urgency. Okay.

[1:02:30] >> I think that's the only way things move

[1:02:32] forward with

[1:02:36] >> it future. Yes. um commercial section on

[1:02:41] the east of 89.

[1:02:42] >> Yes. The old propert

[1:02:46] >> including my house.

[1:02:52] » I think you should future the future.

[1:02:55] What was that? What was that thing

[1:02:56] going?

[1:02:57] >> Be very

[1:03:02] » dusty fighting Indiana.

[1:03:04] [laughter]

[1:03:06] uh the conversation about by zoning or

[1:03:09] where our transitional light industrial

[1:03:11] did we want to revisit that or were we

[1:03:13] comfortable with it and expensive

[1:03:15] >> I think leave that one alone

[1:03:18] >> uh the sensitive lands map

[1:03:22] we want to revisit the sensitive lands

[1:03:26] map

[1:03:27] >> okay that is part of the story

[1:03:30] >> last

[1:03:31] >> uh the last one that I had was the idea

[1:03:35] have overlays for specific areas for

[1:03:37] example fires zone or windy areas or did

[1:03:40] that fall within the sensitive lenses or so those were the

[1:03:46] question

[1:03:48] I had one other one question are we

[1:03:50] still a hump for um

[1:03:55] adventure up in the mountains because

[1:03:59] last time I read the general plan that's

[1:04:01] all it says is that we want to be

[1:04:03] >> yeah that we want to be a center for old

[1:04:06] fishing

[1:04:07] >> youngs decided to go and build

[1:04:09] elsewhere. So

[1:04:10] >> he said adventures first stop

[1:04:16] you got to have

[1:04:18] >> okay we need to get into council so

[1:04:20] let's look for a motion to adjourn

[1:04:22] salute.

[1:04:23] >> All in favor say I.

2026.06.09 South Weber City Joint Council-Commission Meeting

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