[0:07] Ready. Thank you. Welcome everyone to the August 27th, 2026

[0:16] public hearing for the Southampton Planning Board. We'll have a

[0:19] roll call, please. Chair Lafaro, present vice chair affinity. Present.

[0:24] The secretary is presence. Board member Fullman, Fulham. Board member

[0:31] Glazer. Present. Board member Schultz. Present. Go ahead, member Mutu

[0:35] is absent. We have a quorum. Thank you. Please join

[0:37] us for Pledge of Allegiance. One

[0:47] nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

[0:54] Thank you. So we'll go in order of the public

[0:59] hearings, John. Pacomb, pre - app. And we have sufficient

[1:05] notice council. We do. David, would you like to read

[1:08] to the record, please? Please take notice that in accordance

[1:10] with local law number 14 of 2022, a public hearing

[1:14] will be held. The Southampton Town Planning Board on Thursday,

[1:17] August 27, 2026 at 6 p. m. at town hall

[1:21] 116 Hampton Road Southampton and via video conferencing to consider

[1:25] the pre - application for the subdivision McConnell John. The

[1:29] application proposes a three - lot subdivision on a vacant

[1:32] 2. 2326 acre property, 97, 254 square feet situated in

[1:39] the R20 zoning district located 18 Vail Avenue, Eastquag County

[1:44] Tax Map number 900 - 315 - 3 - 24.

[1:54] You have to use the podium. Father Modium, yeah. I

[2:04] have a few handouts. Thank you. Thank you for seeing

[2:12] me. I have, as read a 92, 000 square foot

[2:16] lot. 2. 25 acres. Can you give us your name

[2:19] for the record? Sure. John Piccone. 30, we suck avenue,

[2:24] East Coag, New York. That's all you have. Oh, okay.

[2:30] Okay. We proposed divided them into three lots of about

[2:38] 32, 000 square foot average a piece. It's our 20

[2:41] zoning. Two flags, 15 foot wide and told for the

[2:49] rear, the second and third lot in the rear. The

[2:52] front lot fronts on the street. I'm told that due

[2:58] to 15 foot flags on the planning board would decide

[3:00] what they want for the entrance. And I handed out

[3:03] some pictures a little out. So you get a good

[3:04] idea what it is. There's also pictures of the lot

[3:07] itself. It's current condition going back into it. It was

[3:12] a farm. Known as Carter Farm, nursery actually. And things

[3:19] have changed. The family has passed on. Even though a

[3:22] lot of Carters around here, the low carters in this

[3:25] land anymore. So if you have any questions, more than

[3:29] happy answer. To beautifully treed environment here. Yeah, it was

[3:33] a nursery, and that's old nursery stock, actually. No, I

[3:36] mean around you. Yes, on the left - hand side,

[3:40] remnants of the old nursery, which are, I think there

[3:43] were taxes ones are way overgrown plant that every 30

[3:46] inches or every three feet apart. This is not native,

[3:49] though. Left there. That's 22 veil. You know the square

[3:51] footage of loter, excuse me, where footage of lot one?

[3:55] I believe it's 28, 000. I've got to look it

[3:57] up here. 27, 996. It's typically we like to keep

[4:06] the rear lots of naflags larger. I mean, I don't

[4:10] know whether you can meet the one and a half

[4:12] times. They probably can't. I believe they all meet it.

[4:15] But well, let me rephrase that. The two rear lots

[4:17] meeted for sure. Uh, the front lot, the way that

[4:19] the property shaped, it made sense to do it that

[4:23] way, because I have a diagram here. So I can

[4:26] show you, which majority of the lots are 80 foot

[4:28] wide in that area. There are some 100 foot wide

[4:31] ones. There actually is one down the street that has

[4:35] five 15 foot flags. And one driveway going down about

[4:39] 16 feet wide, which has six slots attached to it.

[4:55] So where is the flag going to be? The north

[4:58] side, it looks like. Here in the front. On veil.

[5:02] The north side. That's the driveway. I see.

[5:12] Here. So is there anyone here who wishes to speak

[5:16] to this application. Peter, is there anyone on Zoom. No

[5:21] one. Any more questions from Boar? Motion to close with

[5:29] the 10 - day written comment period by Dennis, second

[5:31] bye. Most extensions, seven in favor. Thank you. Thank you.

[5:38] Thank you. Do you want to take these back? Okay.

[5:40] The second application is HB Hotel Owners, formerly Drake in.

[5:46] And what do we have noticed, Christine? Okay, great. Kate,

[5:50] do you want to refresh that into the record? Yes.

[5:53] Please take notice that in accordance with local law number

[5:55] 14 of 2022, a public hearing will be held by

[5:58] the Southampton Town Planning Board on Thursday, August 27, 2026

[6:03] at 6 p. m. at Town Hall 116, Hampton Road,

[6:07] Southampton, and via video conferencing to consider the site plan

[6:11] pre - submission application HB Hotel owner LLC, formerly Drake

[6:16] N. The existing. Sorry, the site plan application is for,

[6:24] to convert portions of the existing lobby slash office building

[6:27] into a continental breakfast bar, an evening bar service to

[6:31] serve on - site guests through enlargement of the existing

[6:35] kitchen facilities, as well as to upgrade the existing sanitary

[6:39] system to a new innovative alternative on - site wastewater

[6:42] treatment system, consisting of a grease trap, septic tank, and

[6:47] three leaching galleys. With room for 50 percent future expansion

[6:51] in accordance with Suffolk County Health Department requirements located at

[6:57] 16 penny lane in the Hamlet of Hampton Bays. Suffolk

[7:01] County tax map number 900 - 323 - 2 -

[7:06] 15 in a resort waterfront business zoning district. Good evening.

[7:12] Daphne Vaughn, Surfside Environmental Planning, for Happy Acres Drive Shirley,

[7:18] New York. Excuse me. So a lot of what I

[7:21] was going to say was just said. The properties on

[7:24] the west side of Penny Lane. It has a bulkhead

[7:27] front - on penny pond. The bulkhead is functional. Uh,

[7:31] we are in an RWB zoning district. There are multiple

[7:35] buildings on this property, all functioning as a motel. Uh,

[7:38] there's a total of 18 units plus, uh, lobby and

[7:43] office area that are located in the landward most building

[7:48] closest to the street. Uh, there's also an in -

[7:53] ground swimming pool with associated patio decking around it that

[7:58] this board recently issued an administrative approval for us to

[8:02] refurbish. We actually submitted the building permit for that this

[8:05] afternoon. Um, so as stated, we are proposing to utilize

[8:13] the current lobby area for a continental breakfast and bar

[8:17] service for the hotel guests. Uh, in order to facilitate

[8:22] this, the street side building, uh, on the property needs

[8:25] to have some minor interior renovations. Mainly the interior, um,

[8:33] of the kitchen will have, uh, removal of the cooking

[8:36] facilities and installation of new dedicated, um, septic system for

[8:43] these things. Uh, we're going to be putting in a

[8:47] three compartment sink, a separate mop sink and a commercial

[8:52] dishwasher. These are all required by the health department and

[8:55] have already been approved by the Department of Health. Again,

[8:59] there is a new sanitary system dedicated just for this

[9:03] purpose. Um, they will only be used for, uh, the

[9:10] on - site guests. It can accommodate up to 12

[9:14] people in the seating area. We've gotten a conditional approval.

[9:23] From the state liquor authority for liquor license. I think

[9:27] they need something from the town to authorize the use

[9:31] of the space for the continental breakfast and bar. The

[9:39] food service is really all going to be pre -

[9:42] packaged. Food. Uh, for breakfast, uh, with limited drinks and

[9:47] the snacks as well for the evening, uh, bar service.

[9:51] So as I said, we've already gotten health department for

[9:54] the sanitary system and for the food usage, for the

[9:58] commercial, uh, continental breakfast. I did submit a picture of

[10:04] the sunroom where the seating area will be located. It's,

[10:10] there's really no changes to the exterior of the building.

[10:13] This is all interior swapping of spaces. Teresa mason had

[10:17] asked me for a floor plan, which we submitted showing

[10:24] the facilities in the back and then the, you know,

[10:27] your typical continental breakfast, uh, countertops for the seating area.

[10:35] Um, that's really, really the gist of the project. Can

[10:40] you say, can you, um, expand, uh, explaining about the

[10:46] bar, why you are putting a bar in? Well, it's

[10:49] just for the hotel guests so that they can kind

[10:53] of mingle together and maybe have a glass of wine,

[10:56] you know, something beer wine. I don't think there's any

[10:59] crazy part of their continental breakfast. I mean, I apologize.

[11:04] Irish heritage. Sometimes maybe that's necessary. No, so it would

[11:10] be morning for breakfast for the morning. And then in

[11:13] the evening, you know, to have like kind of meet

[11:15] and greet kind of things. Was there an intention to

[11:17] have a restaurant there when we first heard about this?

[11:21] No, no. No more food. So what kind of snacks

[11:23] are you going to have? Just prepackage? Uh, yeah. He's

[11:25] got a menu here. He's got nuts and olives, some

[11:29] chips, a soup that's going to all be bought ready

[11:32] - made salads, you know, some sandwiches, things that are

[11:36] just easily... They're going to take out the stove. So

[11:40] they won't really be able to actually cook on site.

[11:43] It's just a matter of having these separate sinks and

[11:47] dishwasher for commercial facilities. And I don't even know that

[11:52] he's using plates. I believe it's all going to be

[11:54] like, you know, throw away plastic. So why does he

[11:59] need the dishwasher, do you think? Oh no, it's a

[12:01] health department probably. Yeah, you're probably right for glassware. Where's

[12:07] the septic system going to go? The new septic system?

[12:10] Just right between... So it's the landward most building. There's

[12:14] going to be, actually, the surveys right here. So this

[12:20] is the building where we'll be taking place and there's

[12:24] going to be a septic here. I don't think this

[12:25] is the right map. This, I think, is the one

[12:28] that goes for the pool. But we've submitted multiple things.

[12:32] The septic is furthest away from the water. Yes, it's

[12:35] way all the way up here. And we already have

[12:38] a health department approval for that. And what's in the

[12:41] building now. Right now it's basically a lobby. There's a

[12:45] small office and the couple of units in that building.

[12:48] So the units would be unchanged. It's just the hangout

[12:51] area for the check - in. So they're just utilizing

[12:54] it for people to sit and eat something quick. And

[12:59] go on with their day. Will it be open to

[13:02] the public other than the hotel guests? No, not at

[13:04] all. Just strictly for the guests. And the health department

[13:08] has also made that stipulation that it's for on -

[13:11] premise guests. Only no public. So there wouldn't be any

[13:15] need for additional parking or it's whoever's there staying at

[13:20] the motel would have access to these services. It's

[13:29] unusual that we have breakfast and then a bar. So

[13:34] that's what we're asking questions about it. I think part

[13:38] of it is to try to get people to actually

[13:42] communicate with each other in a vacation setting. You know,

[13:46] I don't know. I think that's the gist of it.

[13:50] To connect people. Barr will certainly help. And coffee in

[13:54] the morning. Yeah, exactly. I'm with you, Florian. And I'm

[14:00] sorry, and I should remember this. How many rooms are

[14:02] there at the 18 units? There's 18 units. And the

[14:06] population is mainly tourists or? Yeah. Families, tourists, couples, you

[14:13] know, that kind of a thing. Transit use. This day

[14:15] is what two weeks. So what's the, uh, I really

[14:19] don't know offhand, but it's a motel. So it's not

[14:22] like long - term. Might be just weekend guests kind

[14:29] of thing, you know, weekly. Typical. Okay. So is there

[14:34] anyone here who wants to speak to the application. Is

[14:38] there anyone on Zoom, Peter. No one. Are there any

[14:42] more questions on the planning board? No. Okay. Um, so

[14:47] let's close with a, this is a regular site planet

[14:52] comment period. Motion. Motion by, is that Kate? Yep. Yep.

[14:57] Second byestly. Leslie, all in favor. Aye. Post abstention, seven

[15:02] in favor. Thank you. Thank you. Moving on to item

[15:09] number three. Sim Realty lot 25, 11 fox hollow. I

[15:14] don't have any. No notice on it. Okay. No notice.

[15:19] That means we can't open. Uh, then we'll jump to

[15:25] number four, Lee Concord. And, um, I'm going to read

[15:31] it. Yes. Please. We have notice. We have noted. Sorry.

[15:36] Please take notice that in accordance with local law number

[15:39] 14 of 2022, a public hearing will be held by

[15:43] the Southampton town planning board on Thursday, August 27th, 2026

[15:47] at 6 p. m. at Town Hall 116, Hampton Road,

[15:52] Southampton and via video conferencing to consider the site plan

[15:55] application entitled One Lee Concord. This site plan slash special

[16:01] exception application proposes to convert the use of five out

[16:05] of six units of the south structure references building A

[16:09] on the previously approved site plan entitled National Development Corporation

[16:13] with an overall footprint of 15, 048 square feet from

[16:18] general and special trade contractor to a pedel sports club

[16:22] consisting of three pedel quarts. Pro shop office warmup space

[16:27] to locker rooms, two water closets and 746 square feet

[16:32] mezzanine viewing area on a parcel measuring 2. 788 acres

[16:38] in the LI40 zoning district. And within the New York

[16:42] state archaeological sensitive areas located at one leak on court

[16:46] tuck a hoe suffolk county tax map number 900 -

[16:50] 158 - 2 - 8. 14.

[17:00] Had a concern. Well, the concern should be the notice.

[17:04] I can't pull after this. Uh, okay. Okay. Carl

[17:13] Benicasa, 860 Montalk. Howie watermelon, New York for the applicant

[17:17] with me also as John Woodsman, who will be conducting

[17:20] the build out of the internal renovations we're discussing. Today.

[17:24] And Ryan Frankel, who's a member of the applicant LLC,

[17:28] and will be running and operating the facility once up

[17:32] and running. As mentioned, what we're dealing with today is

[17:36] an entirely internal renovation and site plan application. The development

[17:43] will not change any exterior elements. Of this structure. As

[17:50] mentioned, the southern building, which is the, uh, that you're

[17:55] looking at there consists of six units. And five of

[17:59] them will be used for the purposes mentioned. Previously by

[18:04] Leslie. The internally there will be three pedel courts. And

[18:12] a, uh, there was a mention of a mezzanine area,

[18:14] which was part of our discussion previously. That is being

[18:17] removed from the application. So there will not be a

[18:20] mezzanine area. I know there had been some express concern

[18:23] about congregating perhaps more demand on occupancy. So while we

[18:28] do not believe that would have had much of an

[18:31] impact we are removing the mezzanine area. Uh, as we

[18:35] proceed with this application. The major concern when we first

[18:40] spoke was parking. And I have prepared, as we mentioned,

[18:46] there is no set parking governance in the code with

[18:49] respect to this use. It's a very, um, specified use.

[18:54] So when we spoke originally, we had estimated that each

[19:00] court would have about an hour use per game or

[19:05] match whatever you want to call it. And the maximum

[19:08] usage would be, uh, four people per court. I think

[19:12] Ryan will explain briefly that we were certainly underestimating the

[19:15] amount of time that people use that. And actually, uh,

[19:19] many games are two hours long. So that is actually

[19:23] working in favor of your concerns. There'll be less demand

[19:26] on parking. There'll be less, um, in and out of

[19:29] the facility, which would have less impact on traffic. The

[19:33] occupancy ratings demonstrate that the calculated occupancy, again, this is

[19:37] subject to review and approval by the fire marshal, but

[19:41] it's estimated to be 143. 66. Now under the code,

[19:47] you have to do, you have to provide, um, as

[19:50] one space for every three of occupancy, which would require

[19:55] 48 spaces. Now, as you may recall, there are 48

[19:59] spaces devoted to this building. But eight of them have

[20:02] to be associated with that six unit. So cannot be

[20:07] used for this. So the occupancy load put us at

[20:11] eight space deficit. However, given the, uh, approval authority of

[20:16] this board and its ability to act within, you know,

[20:21] the practical reality of how this is actually going to

[20:23] work. I would just note that Pidell courts, the square

[20:27] footage of the pedal courts is about 6, 534 square

[20:31] feet and only 12 people at most can use that.

[20:35] So I think that the occupancy calculations based on square

[20:38] footage don't appropriately apply here. And I would think the

[20:42] fire marshal will, uh, will reiterate that in determining their

[20:46] calculations. So essentially 6, 500 square feet of commercial space.

[20:51] But at most you're going to have 12 people in

[20:53] that space. During the, during their matches. So what we

[20:58] had proposed, uh, and in consultation with our engineer was

[21:03] that we would have, we would allot for 12 spaces

[21:07] for anyone on the court. 12 spaces for anyone that

[21:11] was just finished their match and leaving the court. 12

[21:15] spaces for people coming that would be next in line

[21:18] to play on the game to play a match. And

[21:21] then four spaces for staff, one full time staff operating

[21:27] staff and then three instructors is the estimate. So when

[21:31] you factor the actual use that the actual specifics of

[21:36] the use, uh, we think that parking is more than

[21:41] accommodated by this. I would also note that the total

[21:47] development has 96 spaces and that, uh, those spaces are

[21:52] rarely used up. Given the current uses. So if there

[21:57] were spillover and spillover is always possible. Our parking calculations

[22:01] are based on an estimations and they're based on best

[22:04] guesses. But even for a standard parking calculation at a

[22:07] restaurant, you could have everyone coming in their own car

[22:10] and that would far exceed what's provided. So in the

[22:13] event unlikely event of a spillover, there is most likely

[22:19] very adequate spillover parking that could be utilized in the

[22:22] rest of the development. I think that those were the

[22:26] primary concerns. Ryan, if you want to come up and

[22:30] just sort of talk about how these facilities work, what

[22:33] kind of demands they place on parking and traffic. I

[22:36] know that you're not necessarily well acquainted with these facilities

[22:40] because there are not that many. So I think this

[22:42] could be very helpful for you. Good evening. Members of

[22:50] the board. Thank you for taking the time to review

[22:53] our application. Really appreciate that. Um, just a quick intro

[22:57] to who I am. I am one of the applicants.

[23:01] Um, and I am also the operating partner of the

[23:02] business that is leasing the five units in one leak

[23:06] on court. Um, just a really quick background of myself,

[23:09] um, I've lived in the Hamptons area for almost 15

[23:12] years now, um, I was serving it predominantly as a

[23:16] tennis professional. Um, and more recently as a paddle professional.

[23:20] So I do a little bit of tennis and also

[23:21] paddle. Um, so I'm just giving you that background just

[23:24] so you know that I have a bit of experience

[23:26] with, uh, with the sports themselves. And as a consumer

[23:29] and also an instructor, I've been in many different paddle

[23:35] clubs. And I know how they run and how they

[23:37] operate. Um, so just, just, um, so that's, uh, that's

[23:42] there on the table. Um, so yeah, as Carl mentioned,

[23:45] uh, with predominantly going to be a private club, um,

[23:49] and also I do want to just stress that, um,

[23:52] with these paddle clubs, it's not a set time that

[23:56] everyone comes at the same time. They're naturally very staggered.

[23:59] Um, so some will may come, let's say at 8

[24:02] a. m. and then another match could be at 8.

[24:04] 30 a. m. So in terms of traffic coming in

[24:07] and out, it's not going to be concentrated with 7

[24:09] a. m. 80 m, 9 a. m. or the courts

[24:11] are full at the same time. Um, so that will

[24:15] help with traffic flow in general. Um, also Kyle did

[24:19] mention about there being three groups with the time that

[24:23] we're expecting, which is two hours per session. Um, we're

[24:27] actually only really going to have one group waiting and

[24:31] one group playing. We're not even going to, that group

[24:33] that finished would have gone long before that next group,

[24:36] uh, would have come to play. So realistically, it's only

[24:38] going to be 24 cars maximum. Um, and then the

[24:41] minimum, assuming we've completely busy, uh, clearly full, which I'm

[24:45] actually also going to touch on a second, um, that

[24:48] would, it could be anywhere between three to 24 cars

[24:51] to, yeah, cause the four people per court, yeah. So

[24:55] it could be as little as three cars on our

[24:57] busiest time, but it could be absolute maximum. It could

[24:59] be up to 24 cars. Um, but that is worst

[25:02] case scenario. But like I said with the staggering start

[25:05] times and predominantly, uh, what we're expecting usage wise, I

[25:09] also, I'm not sure if, um, uh, the, uh, the

[25:13] operating summary was shared, but we submitted it a few

[25:16] weeks ago. Just one thing I want to, I want

[25:19] to stress also is that where our business model is

[25:22] more in favor of our members, um, so we want

[25:26] to make sure that our members have caught availability when

[25:29] they want. So we're not trying our business, business model

[25:32] isn't to try and fill the courts relatively low. So

[25:39] the members can have courts when they want. So we're

[25:42] anticipating somewhere between 30 to 35 percent court utilization on

[25:46] average. We understand that there will be busier times and

[25:49] there'll be less busier times. Um, but so yeah, out

[25:53] of essentially three court bookings, we're only expecting one to

[25:56] be filled on average. So we're not, we're not trying

[25:59] to keep this place fully packed at all times. We're

[26:02] really trying to benefit our membership with this. Um, so

[26:07] I'm just making sure I haven't forgotten anything. Also, I

[26:12] know that there was a question about, uh, tournaments, et

[26:15] cetera, in the last meeting. Um, I just want to

[26:18] make sure that, um, that if we do have any

[26:21] tournaments, and I know this as a consumer of playing

[26:23] some tournaments myself is that, um, there is, they're scheduled

[26:27] start times. So when I play, I played in the

[26:29] US Open paddle, which was the first one, um, ever

[26:33] a couple of years ago. They give you schedule start

[26:35] time. So if the 10 a. m. start time for

[26:37] a tournament, then you show up maybe 20, 30 minutes

[26:40] before. And at least you know whereabouts when you'll be

[26:43] playing. People aren't going to be hanging around. Maybe they'll

[26:45] go into town to do whatever they want to do.

[26:48] And then they'll come and play, et cetera. So it's

[26:50] not like everyone's going to be hanging out at the

[26:51] space at all times during a tournament, for example. As

[26:55] of right now, we're not planning on any, but I

[26:57] know that was a question that came up. So I

[26:58] did want to just address that as well. Um, and

[27:03] I think that's pretty much where we're at. We want

[27:07] to, we're really, we're going to allow non - members,

[27:10] but on a much more restrictive, um, kind of booking

[27:14] process. So, so again, we really want to make sure

[27:17] our membership is satisfied. And also if we get to

[27:21] a stage where we feel like our membership isn't satisfied,

[27:23] then we will cut up non - members and we'll

[27:25] just make sure that the membership get the court time

[27:28] that they want. And we'll also potentially cap membership numbers

[27:32] at a certain point if we feel like we're getting

[27:34] to a stage where people are not getting the courts.

[27:36] They want. And three courts is not a lot. Um,

[27:38] and with 12 people, it could get to a stage

[27:41] where we'll have to cap it, hopefully, in practice for

[27:44] ourselves. Um, and as of, that's all I have written

[27:49] down. So I'm happy to answer any questions on the

[27:51] operating side as well. Will you be operating year round?

[27:55] Yes. We're planning on operating year on months. Yes. Are

[27:58] you planning any on - site amenities like a snack

[28:00] barb? Yeah. So the pro shop where there'll be rackets

[28:04] for sale and maybe some items of clothing. But it's,

[28:07] it's a very small pro shop. I don't see anyone

[28:10] being in there longer than 10 or 15 minutes at

[28:12] any time. Will there be any restaurant or no restaurant?

[28:19] We're not planning on making any food on site or

[28:21] anything along those. The letter does say that the refreshment

[28:24] area. Yes. Yeah. So that essentially means like a fridge

[28:28] for drinks, but like non - alcoholic drinks, it would

[28:32] just be like Gatorades, waters, et cetera. How many members

[28:36] you anticipating? That's a great question. Um, so the thing

[28:39] is with these membership clubs and working at a couple

[28:42] of membership clubs myself, it really depends on how active

[28:44] the membership is. If it's, we could, let's say we

[28:49] get 150 members and they're all very active. We might

[28:52] have the cap it at that. But if we also

[28:54] have a, let's say we have 200 members and 100

[28:55] members and not that actor, maybe they play once a

[28:57] week as opposed to three or four times a week,

[29:01] then that could affect the number that we get to.

[29:03] We don't have a specific number, but I guess we're

[29:06] going to kind of figure it out as we go.

[29:08] Cause again, keeping the membership happier is on number one

[29:10] priority. With this. And we have a staff person who's

[29:14] coordinating all of that. Yes, exactly. I'll actually, I'm actually

[29:16] planning on being on site full time myself. Um, so

[29:20] it'll be locally owned and also locally run as well.

[29:25] There's three other instructors. So yeah, those instructions will only

[29:28] be there if we need them. They're not going to

[29:30] be there full time. And truthfully that. So that again,

[29:33] it comes down to that park and calculation a little

[29:35] bit where we say 28 is maximum. Truthfully, if we

[29:38] need our instructors, which we get us up to those

[29:40] four numbers, it would be less people on site because

[29:43] they'll be taking private lessons and potentially. So it could

[29:46] only be one member with one coaching staff. So, so

[29:50] in practice, it would actually be a little bit less

[29:52] than 28 because we don't, we only really need one

[29:56] person on site at any time if there's no private

[29:59] lessons or anything along those lines. And if you have

[30:01] a tournament that you don't know yet whether you will.

[30:05] Is there an area for spectators? So we did remove

[30:07] that mezzanine for now because we wanted to, we just

[30:10] wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be

[30:11] too much congregation, especially at the beginning. We don't want

[30:14] to, we don't want to feel like we're overchiving this

[30:16] space. And I know there was concerns with traffic and

[30:19] parking. So we wanted to make sure we address that.

[30:21] Um, technically, could you watch from outside the court? Yes.

[30:25] But it's not truthfully recommended because it's, it's pretty close

[30:29] to the area of play. So we, so there's not

[30:32] room for many spectators to be honest with you. And

[30:35] can you talk a little bit about the balance? It's

[30:38] described as a membership, uh, club, but you mentioned that

[30:42] there might be some open times. Can you talk a

[30:45] little bit more about the non - member you said?

[30:47] Of course. Yes. So I think it's more of a,

[30:51] it's like I said, predominantly membership, but we also want

[30:54] to expose people to the sport that might not have

[30:56] played it as the board may notice. It's a relatively

[30:59] new sport. I don't even know how to pronounce it

[31:02] if it's padel or paddle. Yeah. So you're asking the

[31:04] right person for that actually. So a purist would always

[31:08] call it paddle. It's always pronounced paddle. That's the purist

[31:11] name. But what happened is that the sport that's in

[31:15] a lot of country clubs, especially in the northeast, it's

[31:18] called platform tennis that can also be called paddle tennis.

[31:21] And that's where that was confusion. So some people just

[31:23] started calling it pedel. Um, and actually has a bit

[31:26] more of a nice ring to it. So I actually

[31:28] like Pidel, but a purist of the sport would argue

[31:31] with you how it's pronounced truthfully. Well, thank you for

[31:35] that. That's not possible. Sorry. Very important to our deliberations,

[31:40] but also the non - member piece. Let me touch

[31:42] that. That was how you envision bringing people in marketing

[31:45] it, you know? Yeah. So as I said, we're going

[31:49] to push memberships as much as possible. Um, but again,

[31:52] we want to get our membership up. So if the

[31:54] people, for example, that are local that are in the

[31:55] area that haven't played or want to check it out,

[31:58] we want to give them the opportunity to come and

[31:59] enjoy it, especially in, in the off season. I feel

[32:02] like it's a good opportunity for some indoor activity from

[32:07] other people that I speak to. That's something that can

[32:09] be a little bit of a lack of that, uh,

[32:11] in the area. Um, so we're going to do that

[32:14] at the beginning just to kind of get some good

[32:16] exposure for the, for the sport. And then the goal

[32:19] is to just convert everyone into members. And there will

[32:23] be a limit on how many non - members can

[32:25] play. During certain time, especially if it's busy. They wouldn't

[32:27] be allowed to just come whenever they want. So we're

[32:30] going to try the non - members is more of

[32:31] like a starting tool to have available to build up

[32:35] our membership base. And also just to touch on that

[32:38] also paddle is a four person sport in general. You

[32:43] can play one versus one cross court. But in general,

[32:46] it's four people. So it's actually kind of difficult to

[32:49] find four people that are always the same level that

[32:51] they're going to have a good time. So having a

[32:53] one on two non - members joining in games can

[32:55] just help with the membership being happier with it as

[32:58] well. Um, but so yeah, that's. Will you have any

[33:05] showering facilities? No, no plans on showering facilities. Just a

[33:08] bathroom. One bath. So we're going to have one men's

[33:11] ADA compliant bathroom. One women's bought and is currently five

[33:14] and we're actually eliminating three of the bathrooms. So it'd

[33:19] be nice. I'll septic do you have an eye. What

[33:23] type of subject. I think was it. Check actually? I

[33:29] know the load is sufficient. I can check the actual.

[33:32] I'll provide written comment. Okay. And Carl, what's in the

[33:35] sixth space? What's in the storage. Store it. But not

[33:39] your storage. Not our storage, separate storage. Okay. It's a

[33:49] regular septic system. Mr. Woodsman was aware. This facility was

[33:55] built before the IA systems were actually usable. Um, so

[34:00] this went with a conventional septic system. Uh, the ethyl

[34:03] went load from the paddle club is going to be

[34:07] substantially less than the, uh, workman and the constant use

[34:10] of the buildings right now. It's going to be taking

[34:13] a tremendous amount of load off of the septic system.

[34:21] Is there anyone here who wants to speak to the

[34:23] application. If you'd like to, yeah, absolutely. Please. Hello. I'm

[34:34] Laura Milinshaw and I'm a local resident here. My husband,

[34:38] my kids and I, we live on five Cameron Way.

[34:40] We've known Ryan for many years. And he's taught my

[34:44] kids how to play tennis. And now we're very into

[34:46] Pidel. And I think this Pidell club, whenever we heard

[34:51] started speaking about it, we thought it would be fantastic

[34:53] idea because we love the fact that it's indoors. And

[34:56] this would really be additive to the town and provide

[35:00] activity for our kids, for us, for many members of

[35:05] the community as well. And the off season when it's

[35:08] raining last weekend, it would have been a perfect activity

[35:12] when it was a washout. And, um, I think it's

[35:14] a fantastic idea. So, uh, just here to voice my

[35:18] support for the project. Great. Thank you. Sure. Is there

[35:22] anyone else. Is there anyone on Zoom, Peter. No one.

[35:28] Are there any more questions from aboard. Um, I would

[35:33] just note, uh, that I was the closest residential area,

[35:39] as you can see to the west is the driving

[35:42] range to the south. There's an open space and the

[35:45] train tracks to the east is more industrial. Directly to

[35:49] the north as the second building, but just to the

[35:52] north, there's that housing community. And the president of that

[35:56] housing community reached out to me with questions about this.

[36:00] And, uh, we had a nice conversation. His only concern

[36:02] was, is there going to be any exterior alterations when

[36:06] I told them there were not, he said there were,

[36:08] he had no concerns. Well, that's good. Okay. No more

[36:14] questions. Entertain a motion to close with a 10 day

[36:17] written comment period by Kate, second by David, all in

[36:20] favor. Aye. Opposed abstentions, seven in favor. Thank you very

[36:24] much. Thanks. Section favor. Six and favor, sorry. Yes. One

[36:28] absent. And motion to adjourn. Yeah. Peter, is that attorney

[36:35] still on Zoom. Yes. Bringing one now. Okay. This is

[36:44] where sim reality lot 25.

[37:01] I may have to read it. Oh no, you weren't

[37:03] reading it. No, no. Hi. Good evening. Can you see

[37:06] and hear me? Yes. I'm Will Shapiro. I'm the attorney

[37:14] for the applicant on this matter. I believe my client

[37:16] is also, um, attending by a Zoom. I don't know

[37:19] if we can get him on right now. Um, Mr.

[37:24] Shapiro, we don't have jurisdictions open the hearing or anything.

[37:27] I have none of the required paperwork that was filed.

[37:31] We shouldn't get filed. The, the affidavits you mean? Correct.

[37:35] I emailed those in earlier today and I just sent

[37:37] them again, um, to the secretary of the board. I

[37:41] need the physical actual, it's okay to do that in

[37:44] advance, but they didn't get them until now because they

[37:46] were in planning board all day. And I don't have,

[37:48] I need the actual documents. To open the hearing. Hard

[37:52] copy. We can't be hurt tonight. I mean, the notices

[38:01] were sent out. Um, I mean, my assistant was out

[38:06] today. I would have had her dropped them off if

[38:07] I knew that the hard copies were needed. Well, you

[38:10] need to file originals, right? When you take testimony and

[38:13] stuff, I can bring the originals tomorrow. Um, I understand

[38:17] that's maybe. Procedurally backwards, but if you could just make

[38:19] an exception, um, that would be appreciated. But if your

[38:22] hands are tied, I also understand that schedule. Whatever the

[38:26] board wants to do. Yeah. We can get you on

[38:30] the next hearing public hearing. He needs time to, if

[38:36] that gives him time to post and. Are you saying

[38:41] that you complied with everything? Absolutely. I personally went to

[38:45] the property and hung the posters up in my client

[38:48] who's on the, um, who's on the Zoom. He was

[38:52] at the house today. My assistant, Jilly and Lewis, she

[38:55] mailed out the, um, notices to all the adjoining landowners.

[38:59] She signed the affidavit. I have it right. And then

[39:03] it was up 10 days prior to today. Yeah. Hosting.

[39:08] This is the affidavit for my assistant. And I emailed

[39:11] this. So I don't know if you could read it.

[39:13] I mean, I'm just trying to show you on that

[39:15] Mr. Shapiro. You really have more at risk than we

[39:17] do in terms of something somebody is contesting this. We're

[39:21] here. You're going to have your application that would be

[39:24] a jeopardy. So he is an attorney. So, um, I'm

[39:28] going to assume he's telling the truth. And we, it's

[39:33] up to the board. It's really still at your discretion.

[39:35] You can open this tonight. Leave it open. Um, till

[39:39] the next hearing date and, you know, if you want

[39:42] to, um, it's up to you. I'm sorry. There's a

[39:49] new. I'm a neighbor. I lived at 32 fox hollow.

[39:52] We absolutely had the notice posted 10 days ago because

[39:55] I sent a picture to a family member trying to

[39:57] figure out what it was. Yeah. No, I appreciate that.

[39:59] I just for legal purposes. I need to take the

[40:02] attorneys. I'll take his word for it until he'll show

[40:04] me this. If you can bring them here and keep

[40:07] my open photograph of the notes, if you could, um,

[40:11] make sure we get this stuff the originals tomorrow, if

[40:14] the board chooses to open this tonight. If we open

[40:17] it, do we have to keep it open? I would

[40:19] keep it open to the next hearing. I would. So

[40:22] until we have that document, right, and we can show

[40:24] it. And then if anybody shows up that night, we'll

[40:26] hear them. If not, we'll close it. And go on

[40:29] our way. So, um, let's read this into the record.

[40:37] You want to read it, Denice? Sure. It's number one.

[40:41] Okay. Number three. Number three. Number three. Please take notice

[40:45] of the chords with local law 14 2022 Republicarian will

[40:48] be held by the South Am town. Planning port on

[40:50] Thursday, August 27, 2026. At 6 p. m. town hall

[40:54] 116 Hampton Road, Southampton via video conferencing to consider covenant

[40:57] amendment application entitled SIM Realty Associate Slot 25. The subject

[41:04] property, Leavened Fox Hollow Drive, he's quag tax map number

[41:06] 900 288 to 16 known as lots 25 of simrealty

[41:14] is approximately 1. 89 acres situate in the CR80 zoning

[41:18] district with the act for protection overlay district is shown

[41:20] on the survey prepared by Salis land serving date February

[41:24] 3rd, 2021. And last survives July 3rd, 2025 and is

[41:30] requesting to allow for additional clearing. Okay. Thank you. Uh,

[41:38] first off, I want to thank the board for hearing

[41:40] us tonight. I seriously appreciate you guys being flexible on

[41:43] that and taking my word for. That means a lot

[41:45] to me personally and as an attorney. So thank you

[41:47] for that. It's an initial matter. Can you get us

[41:49] your name for the record? I'm sorry. Yes. I'm Will

[41:51] Shapiro. My address is 135 Main Street, West Hampton Beach.

[41:56] New York 11978. I'm here on behalf of the owners

[41:59] of 11 Fox Hollow, Mark and Donni Stein. Um, we're

[42:04] not actually looking to increase existing clearing. We're just looking

[42:08] to legalize the existing clearing. Um, I don't know if

[42:12] all the board members were able to review my application

[42:16] letter. Um, but my clients purchased the property, um, in

[42:19] 2025, um, they have not cleared any additional property. Um,

[42:24] I provided in my application a bunch of, uh, historical

[42:29] references of the property, like some aerials and some surveys.

[42:33] So the property based on the most recent survey from

[42:36] Scalise land surveying is at 31 percent cleared The subdivision

[42:41] declaration allows 20 percent overlay district would be 35 percent.

[42:48] So that's why I requested the 35 percent's mouth, but

[42:54] I don't think there's any plan to clear an additional

[42:57] four percent I just went with the 35 percent number

[43:01] because prior amendments to the clear and restriction granted in

[43:09] this subdivision that I referenced in my application on lot

[43:12] 10 and I believe 27. So that's kind of where

[43:20] we are. We're just trying to make sure the property

[43:22] is legal so that we can proceed with some building

[43:25] permits and whatnot Uh, the property again is to urderate.

[43:29] It's currently a 31 percent. The subdivision declarations. That's always

[43:35] good. No questions from board the purpose of having the

[43:41] hearing is to give you for the public to be

[43:45] made aware that your property is not within the current

[43:49] subdivision clearing restrictions So by keeping the it opened right

[43:56] give neighbors the opportunity to opine on that. And we

[44:00] have a neighbor Right and we have and there Yeah

[44:03] no one is here so Well, we do have someone

[44:06] Did you want to speak. Do it I'm in favor

[44:10] of it yet That's the podium Tell us who you

[44:13] are right.

[44:23] Give us your name please David Hart. Family trust owns

[44:27] 32 fox hollow. I'm at the exact number I'm at

[44:35] 32 percent cleared. Of them being able to clear. I

[44:40] live in the area and I've seen my house this

[44:43] year in the last six months has had Uh, half

[44:47] a dozen trees fall. The the pine beetle issue is

[44:51] killing a lot of the trees But I've had actually

[44:55] two oaks fall. This year one fell into the pool.

[44:59] Uh, thankfully the way it fell it did not harm

[45:03] anyone in that storm That happened on I think it

[45:07] was July 3rd or July 4th that sudden storm that

[45:09] came up. Uh, it ripped one of the trees in

[45:12] the yard in half. And so I Want them to

[45:15] be able to do that because The area the trees

[45:19] right now There seem to be a lot of problems

[45:21] Not just with the pines, but with the oaks The

[45:24] other tree in my yard that fell When they cut

[45:27] it down I could provide pictures for the board Um,

[45:32] carpenter ants had literally made it like a cartoon There

[45:37] was that bad The trunk of the tree was 12

[45:39] inches and the inside was missing nine inches of wood.

[45:43] It was crazy. And so. They are I'm surprised it

[45:49] says that they're at 31 percent cleared I walked the

[45:52] property this morning. And I would have thought they were

[45:56] less clear than that But I'd like them to be

[45:58] able to clear. What they want or keep it cleared.

[46:02] Because I think I appreciate that the need for protecting

[46:08] and following the rules for the area I forget what

[46:10] it is for the aquifer protection. And keeping a certain

[46:16] amount of coverage on the ground. But there are a

[46:19] lot of problems with both the oaks and the pines

[46:22] in there. And I don't know some of my pines

[46:26] and oaks are falling because there's an invasive vine. That

[46:29] has grown up And I can't do anything to the

[46:33] fine because I have to keep that area Uh... covered.

[46:37] And so I just wanted to make sure I stood

[46:40] up for a neighbor I've never actually met them. I've

[46:43] seen them They just did an addition on their home

[46:47] So I wanted to make sure to come and stand

[46:50] up. And make the board aware. Great Thank you very

[46:55] much Mr. Thank you. Anybody on Zoom. Anyone on Zoom.

[47:02] Peter. Anyone else. Okay we're going to keep this open

[47:06] until the next Do we have space on the next

[47:10] Um... Public hearing date. Hopefully they'll just see an open

[47:15] and a close. Yeah. Unless people show up. But it's

[47:25] quick. Yeah Okay so we'll reschedule it for What's the

[47:30] date. September 10. No we're giving the date You don't

[47:36] need to renoice it We don't have to re -

[47:38] notice it Excuse me I'm sorry The it looks like

[47:40] the actual applicant wants to talk. Who does the owner

[47:45] The applicant. Yes wanted to say something please Okay.

[47:58] Please go ahead. Yes waiting for his clock. To get

[48:03] something Oh his client. Per he is A little avatar.

[48:14] Hello? Can you hear me? Yes Can we have your

[48:16] name please? Yes I'm Mark Stein My wife and I

[48:20] own the property. I Just I just want to thank

[48:23] you for hearing us out tonight and just asking if

[48:28] there's any possible way that We can Dispense with this

[48:34] tonight as opposed to delaying a whole nother month. Is

[48:39] there any possible way. We can't take an action tonight.

[48:43] It's a hearing night. This is a public hearing Uh...

[48:50] Portion So the planning board doesn't. Take actions on application

[48:57] So we've rescheduled it for. September 10 And maybe you

[49:02] could just do it by Zoom then Because it Okay

[49:05] September 10th. Yeah. And if nobody shows up at that

[49:08] point The board would more than likely close it and

[49:11] may or may not have a written common period Okay

[49:13] great Thank you very very much You're welcome Thank you.

[49:18] Thank you guys always a pleasure appearing before you have

[49:21] a nice night. Okay so we've noticed it But we've

[49:26] scheduled it for September 10.

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