[0:11] I'd like to call the meeting to order. Please rise and join me in the pledge of

[0:14] allegiance to the flag of the United States of

[0:18] America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God,

[0:24] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

[0:29] Welcome everyone. Madame clerk, would you please call the role?

[0:38] » Supervisor Moore, >> present.

[0:40] » Councilman Neely, >> present.

[0:42] » Councilman Isili, >> present.

[0:43] » Councilman Pel, >> present.

[0:45] » Councilwoman Mcame, >> present.

[0:47] » Thank you. I move to accept the minutes from the town board meeting of August

[0:51] 25th, 2026. >> All in favor?

[0:55] » I. Madam clerk, would you please read the communications?

[0:58] » The following communications have been received in the office of the town

[1:02] clerk. We have received public notices from the town of Riverhead and notice of

[1:06] adoption, village of Northampton, notice of adoption, village of Zag Harbor,

[1:11] Board of Historic Preservation and Architectural Review, notice of public

[1:16] hearing for 120 Glover Street. correspondence regarding the following.

[1:21] Belair Cove Motel Property, Hampton Bays, Big Al's Clubhouse, Montalk

[1:26] Highway, West Hampton. Comprehensive plan update. Optimum notice of changes

[1:31] to nonpromotional video and equipment pricing. Parking lot closure, Main

[1:36] Street, East Quag. Property assessment processes, proposed CPF acquisition of

[1:42] 130 County Road 39 Southampton. The following bid and RFP submissions were

[1:48] received. On Wednesday, August 2 uh 6, the bid for solar PV installation at

[1:55] Flanders Community Center. And the following was report was filed

[2:00] by the town comproller, a debt statement dated August 27th, 2026

[2:06] for $18,445,000. And that concludes our communications

[2:12] for this meeting's agenda. Thank you. I have two resolutions that

[2:19] are proposed to be walk-ons. The first is resolution 2026-1344

[2:24] to authorize the acquisition of 1719 North Sea Road in the Hamlet of North

[2:29] Sea and to amend the CPF project plan and the CPF management and stewardship

[2:33] plan to include the property. And the second is resolution 2026-1350,

[2:39] the warrant number 17. I move to add these two items to the agenda.

[2:44] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:45] » I >> I All right. Thank you.

[2:55] All right. So, uh, at this time, I move to take resolution number 2026-1327

[3:02] on page 69 out of order.

[3:07] » All in favor? I

[3:12] And this is a resolution to accept the retirement of Christopher Spec. Uh

[3:18] resolution 2026-1327. The town board um hereby accepts the

[3:24] retirement. And we have a proclamation for Mr. Spect. And some people want to

[3:31] speak on his behalf. if he's here with us.

[3:35] » Tom. >> Okay.

[3:40] » Tom. Tom, why don't you come up come up to the podium with Chris?

[3:44] » Yes. >> We should vote on the resolution to give

[3:46] a second. >> So, same second.

[3:47] » Second. >> All in favor?

[3:49] » I >> come on up.

[3:53] » Look at this special guest star today.

[3:58] » Wow. >> Thomas Horton, town engineer Olive Hton,

[4:01] Infant. Uh this is Chris Spect. Uh Chris has

[4:06] worked for the town for 20 years as a sanitation helper. Chris is out there in

[4:11] the rain, in the snow, in the heat, in the cold. He's the first face that most

[4:16] of our residents see when they come to town. They go to the transfer station to

[4:19] drop off their waste, their recyclables, and and they meet Chris. They ask Chris

[4:24] questions. Chris answers them. He helps them. He is honestly the first line that

[4:28] that every resident gets to talk to. Um Chris has primarily been stationed at

[4:33] Hampton Bays lately. Um so we we tried to give Chris's joint position as close

[4:38] to his home and and Chris has devoted a significant amount of time to probably

[4:44] the worst job in the town. Uh dealing with sanitation and refugees all day. It

[4:48] it takes someone special to be able to do that. Um and to stick it out 20 years

[4:53] and make retirement. And we just appreciate everything that Chris has

[4:57] done for us >> and to do it with a smile.

[4:59] » Thank you. Right. Ross first

[5:02] » and I heard that you were involved with finding that ring that got lost at the

[5:06] transfer station. >> We lost the ring of under a trailer and

[5:10] I found that and I've gotten keys out of on top of the cardboard at Sag Harbor

[5:15] with the pole >> and got some smiles and an older person,

[5:22] she lost her container. Special thing I got that out of Sag Harbor. I reached in

[5:26] there and everybody clapped. So, you found some treasures over the years that

[5:31] people have lost. >> Yes. And I enjoyed uh working it

[5:35] outside, which is nice, except in the weather, except the real cold and

[5:40] winter. But >> well, we'd like to present you with this

[5:44] proclamation on behalf of the town board and the town. If you want to

[5:49] DO

[6:00] » Thank you. >> Congratulations. Thanks for all your

[6:04] work. >> 20 years. That's amazing.

[6:08] » Thanks, Chris. >> Thank you.

[6:13] » Hold up. We only give those to special people.

[6:20] » Oh wow. Just turn. >> Yeah. Let's take a picture.

[6:33] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[6:34] » You're welcome. >> Congratulations.

[6:36] » You're retired. >> So Chris's last day is tomorrow.

[6:39] » Yes. >> That's your official final day and we're

[6:41] going to miss you. >> Thank you. So you deserve it smoothie,

[6:45] » you know, >> especially the nice ones

[6:49] » cuz there are some ones that don't like appreciate us.

[6:52] » I know. I know. But hold out for the ones that do.

[6:55] » Yes. >> Thank you.

[6:57] » Thank you. >> Thank you, Chris.

[7:10] » Gosh.

[7:22] How old is she now? >> She's so good. Cheeks. Oh my gosh.

[7:29] Squeeze them.

[7:34] » Got to get a helmet. >> I wonder why.

[7:37] » Thanks for coming in, Tom. >> Yeah, of course. Thank you.

[7:42] All right. So, thanks everyone. Let's move ahead with our public hearings.

[7:46] Madame Clerk, would you please read the notice for the first public hearing?

[7:50] Public hearing number one to consider the acquisition of enhanced development

[7:54] rights on the property located at 141 Deerfield Road in Watermill and amend

[7:59] the CPF stewardship plan to include property.

[8:03] » Uh good afternoon, madam supervisor, town council members. Uh my name is

[8:07] Jacqueline Fenlin, director of community preservation. Uh we are here before you

[8:11] today as um madame clerk has provided to um propose the uh purchase of

[8:17] approximately 15.3 acres of property but this would be for the enhanced

[8:22] development rights. So to remind everyone we started the development

[8:26] rights program. Uh this is essentially a more critical tool to maintain

[8:32] sustainable food production. um ensure that the property is going to a bonafide

[8:38] farmer and also set a resale value. Uh this uh restricts at least 80% of the

[8:44] property enhanced development rates will be in actual active cultivation allowing

[8:49] for the other 20% for um infrastructure, driveways, barns, etc. Uh so this is a

[8:54] program that the town started and approximately 15.3 acres will be

[8:59] preserved through the enhanced development rights easements which I'll

[9:02] just point in yellow highlighted on here.

[9:08] Uh and just to um clarify the area that I did not kind of outline that will be

[9:14] uh allowed to be residentially developed into four residential lots. The yield

[9:18] for this subdivision was nine lots. So, we're theoretically preserving five

[9:22] development rights. Um, so five home, five additional homes that could have

[9:26] been built on the property. Um, and North Lot LLC has proposed they are the

[9:31] purported owner. They have expressed an interest in selling at a total cost not

[9:34] to exceed $6,500,000. And they are here today. We have the

[9:39] principal of North Lot LLC and his representing attorney is here if you

[9:44] have any questions as well. >> They're in the audience.

[9:49] Well, I don't have any questions. Anybody have any questions for Jackie? I

[9:53] do have one card though, so don't go away. William Hollyy,

[9:59] » that is the principal of North Lot LLC. >> Would you like to say

[10:02] » Would you like to say a few words? >> Come on up. As long as you're here.

[10:10] » Yeah. So, we're excited. So, this will stay in farm farm preservation. It will

[10:13] stay privately held. Uh but we are restricting the area noted in the yellow

[10:17] diagonal lines and this is a principal. >> Hello. Uh my name is Bill Hollyy and um

[10:23] it's my family who I'm one of the owners. My uh sister two sisters and

[10:29] brother also own this property and we've we farm at the green thumb farm stands.

[10:33] All this whole property is certified organic. It's been certified organic for

[10:38] over 30 years since 1990 or so. And uh we want to keep farming. we have some of

[10:44] the next generation that want to farm. So, we're trying to uh take some of the

[10:49] value off our property and uh preserve it for farming as well as uh four house

[10:55] lots here which will be uh for some of the next generation of farmers. So, we

[10:59] will have housing as well whether we use it for um the owners or uh workers. Um,

[11:06] we'll see in the future, but um, uh, so I think it's a good idea and I think,

[11:11] uh, the town should try to save whatever farmland they can because it's going

[11:14] awful fast. >> Thank you.

[11:17] » Thank you. >> Thank you,

[11:19] » Kevin. Are is there anyone on Zoom for this first public hearing?

[11:25] » No one on Zoom. >> I just had a quick question for Jackie.

[11:29] Those aren't separate uh pieces, are they? I I know when you you you just

[11:32] circled. Um so this will be the a reserve which we're purchasing the

[11:37] enhanced development rates off of. Okay. >> Um the planning board is reviewing a

[11:41] subdivision uh which will carve out the four individual residential lots which

[11:45] will be in that portion there. >> Okay.

[11:48] » Yes. Yep. So not a separate lot yet but will be.

[11:52] » Okay. Thank you for that clarification. >> I actually have one person on Zoom

[11:56] » comment. >> There's one on Zoom right now.

[11:58] » Oh okay. Bring them on.

[12:19] She's here for public portion. Kevin, I'm pretty sure she's here for

[12:23] public portion. I spoke because I spoke to her today.

[12:29] » Okay.

[12:35] Hello.

[12:50] » What?

[12:53] What is that?

[12:58] What? >> It looks like she left. I don't know.

[13:02] Okay. >> She might have been here for later.

[13:18] » Well, then if there's no other comments, I move to close the first public

[13:22] hearing. >> Second.

[13:23] » All in favor? >> I. Madam clerk, would you please read

[13:26] the notice for the second public hearing?

[13:29] » Public hearing number two to amend the community housing fund project plan in

[13:33] order to increase the maximum loan amount share the firsttime home buyer

[13:38] down payment assistant program and to establish a pro-rated repayment

[13:43] forgiveness formula for eligible volunteer first responders.

[13:48] Good afternoon, Madam Supervisor, town board members, and members of the

[13:52] public. Hope everybody had a nice uh holiday weekend. I'm very excited to

[13:57] present this to you today. In 2024, the town board adopted the community housing

[14:02] fund project plan. This included a down payment assistance program for

[14:07] incomequalified firsttime home buyers, also known as DPAL.

[14:13] Today, I'm asking the board to consider three changes to the DPAL program.

[14:18] First, remove the current 3% cap on down payment assistance and give the board

[14:23] the flexibility to provide assistance that reflects the realities of

[14:27] Southampton's housing market. Second, create a loan forgiveness

[14:32] program for qualified volunteer first responders who receive the DEPAL and

[14:37] continue to serve our community. And third, commit an additional 4 million

[14:42] from the community housing fund to the new DEPAL program.

[14:47] These three changes are about one fundamental issue.

[14:51] Housing in Southampton has just become too expensive for many of the people who

[14:56] work here and who serve our community. Suffach County has called affordable

[15:02] housing a crisis. In Southampton, where the medium home

[15:07] sales price is approximately $2 million, I think it's fair to call it an acute

[15:11] crisis. We all know that people who work in our

[15:14] hospitals, schools, public service, and local businesses are struggling to

[15:19] afford to live here, and so are the volunteer first responders we depend on

[15:23] to protect our community. We see the consequences every day in the

[15:28] long commutes created by the traffic. So, the question isn't whether we need

[15:34] affordable housing. The question is, what can we do right now to make home

[15:39] ownership more attainable? I believe that the down payment

[15:44] assistance loan program is one tool we have available to address that

[15:48] challenge. But we have to make that tool effective

[15:53] under the current program. Since the community housing fund began collecting

[15:57] revenue in April of 2023, approximately $55 million has been

[16:03] generated. Approximately 28 million remains

[16:06] uncommitted to a specific housing project or program.

[16:12] In 2024, the town board allocated $1.25 million to the down payment assistance

[16:19] program to help firsttime home buyers purchase a home in Southampton.

[16:24] The current program can give an eligible buyer a 0% interest loan of up to 3% of

[16:31] the home price that is only paid back when the home is sold or refinanced.

[16:38] We've marketed the program. We've educated potential buyers. We've worked

[16:43] with our program administrator, Community Development of Long Island.

[16:46] And Gwen O'Shea, the um director, is here today.

[16:51] And yet, in two years, only three households have received assistance.

[16:58] So, I think that tells us something. The problem is not simply that people don't

[17:02] know about the program. The problem is is that 3% just simply isn't enough.

[17:10] That is why I'm proposing to increase the DPALL assistance to 18%.

[17:15] This isn't just about giving someone a bigger down payment. It's about changing

[17:19] the math. More DPAL assistance means a smaller

[17:23] mortgage. A smaller mortgage means a lower monthly payment. And in many

[17:28] cases, it can eliminate private mortgage insurance as well. that can

[17:33] significantly reduce the income a household needs to purchase a home.

[17:38] Let's take a look at two examples that show how 18% DPAL can make a difference.

[17:45] And I'm going to pass out to the board a copy of the graph that is here on the

[17:50] board for the public.

[18:26] So, let's look at two examples here. We have an example of a home that's priced

[18:31] at $750,000. And then we have a home that's priced at

[18:35] $950,000. Okay.

[18:39] With 3% depal from CHF, the $750,000

[18:46] home will have a monthly payment of approximately $5,900.

[18:51] That includes taxes and homeowners insurance.

[18:55] Someone who wants to buy that home with the 3% CHF DPAL will need to have an

[19:02] annual income of $236,000 almost $237,000

[19:07] annually. Now, if we look at the example with 18%

[19:12] CHFD PAL, that same $750,000

[19:17] home will cost somebody $4,700 a month. And that includes again homeowners

[19:25] insurance and taxes. And they will need an annual income of

[19:30] $188,000.

[19:33] That's a difference of $1,200 monthly in a monthly payment and $48,000 annually

[19:42] in salary. All right. >> Is it limited though? Isn't it in the

[19:46] program income limited? So the program income is limited to under the uh town

[19:53] law uh 64k. Uh for one to two people it's 197,000

[20:00] and for three or more it's 230,000. So

[20:06] somebody one to two people could afford a $750,000

[20:10] home with the 18% depal under the program. That's why nobody

[20:16] came for the 3% because they couldn't afford it. No, they didn't qualify for

[20:20] the program if you had to make $236,000. >> Correct. Yeah. Right. So now let's look

[20:26] at the example of a $950,000 home under the current 3% down payment.

[20:34] Somebody would need to pay 7264 monthly. That includes your principal

[20:41] and interest, homeowners insurance, and taxes. And in order to sustain that,

[20:47] they're going to need an income of $290,000 annually.

[20:52] But if we increase the DPL to 18%, now the monthly payment for that same

[20:59] $950,000 home is $5700 monthly. And somebody earning $229,000,

[21:07] a household earning $229 would qualify for that $950,000 home.

[21:15] So, this equates to a savings of $1,500 a month in the monthly payment and

[21:22] $61,000 a year annually in income. So, those are real real numbers there.

[21:37] And so this is why I'm recommending that the increasing the

[21:42] down payment assistance is so important. It really can make a difference between

[21:47] somebody qualifying and somebody not qualifying to buy a home. But there's

[21:52] another significant advantage to DPAL. We don't have to build new housing to

[21:58] create affordable home ownership. DPAL allows us to use the existing

[22:03] housing inventory throughout the town rather than concentrate it in one

[22:07] development. No new no land acquisition, no new development approvals, no new

[22:13] construction, no increase in density. The program makes an existing home

[22:18] affordable. And I've included here also I could pass

[22:24] these out to the board some photos of some of the homes that have sold in 2026

[22:30] in these price ranges between 750 and 950 and they include both sides of the

[22:36] canal. You can see we even have one in Southampton Village here.

[22:41] » Can I just Kevin, can you just Oh, good. Everyone, thank you.

[22:52] We have two in East Quag, threebedroom, four bedroomedroom,

[22:56] one in North Sea on North Sea Road in Southampton, Southampton Village and two

[23:02] in Hampton Bay.

[23:14] The second proposal I have for you today addresses another challenge facing

[23:17] Southampton, recruiting and retaining volunteer first

[23:21] responders. Our fire departments, ambulance

[23:25] companies, and other emergency services depend on people who live here and who

[23:29] are willing to serve, but is becoming increasingly difficult for those

[23:34] volunteers to afford to buy a home and remain in the community.

[23:39] So, I'm proposing a first responder loan forgiveness program.

[23:44] An important point of this program is that first responders would not

[23:47] automatically receive the DPALL assistance. They would first have to

[23:51] qualify for DPALL just like anyone else under the same eligibility requirements.

[23:58] Then after receiving the DEPAL, a qualified volunteer first responder

[24:02] could earn forgiveness through continued service.

[24:07] For each year of qualifying service, 10% of the original DPAL assistance would be

[24:12] forgiven. After 10 years, the entire amount of the

[24:16] DPAL loan could be forgiven. Past service doesn't count, so

[24:20] forgiveness would have to be earned. If someone stops qualifying before

[24:25] completing 10 years, the remaining loan balance would continue to be repaid back

[24:29] to this community housing fund. So, this program, this program creates a

[24:34] direct connection between two town priorities, helping people afford to

[24:39] live here and helping to ensure that people who protect us can continue to

[24:43] serve here. The forgiveness program gives that person an incentive to stay

[24:48] and serve. And finally, if we agree that 18%

[24:53] assistance can make a meaningful difference, then we need to fund the

[24:56] program at a level that can actually make an impact. That's why I'm asking

[25:01] the board to commit an additional $4 million from the community housing fund

[25:05] to the DPALL program. We have an opportunity to take an

[25:10] existing program that has not yet had the impact we've hoped for and make it

[25:15] work. So, in summary, I'm asking the board to consider three things today.

[25:20] One, give the board the flexibility to increase DEPAL assistance from 3% to

[25:25] 18%. Create an earned down payment assistance

[25:29] loan forgiveness program for qualifying volunteer first responders. And three,

[25:34] committed an additional $4 million to the DPAL program. I think it is

[25:38] important for the board to know that this is a practical tool that we can use

[25:42] right now. It uses our existing housing stock. It

[25:46] helps first-time buyers overcome the biggest barrier to home ownership, the

[25:50] cost. And it gives us another way to keep the

[25:53] people who work and serve here from having to live somewhere else.

[25:58] If we want Southampton to remain a community where working families, young

[26:02] people, and the people we rely on to protect and serve us can actually afford

[26:06] to live here, we need to make our housing programs meaningful enough to

[26:10] make a difference. I believe these changes to the down

[26:13] payment assistance program loan loan program are a step in that direction. I

[26:18] thank you for your consideration. We have um Joyce Yansy, our chair from the

[26:23] CHF advisory board who would like to say a few words.

[26:26] » I want to just thank you for coming up with these ideas and presenting them to

[26:31] us. Certainly is appreciated. Um and I especially like what you said about that

[26:36] it's uh using existing housing stock. Um, I do have some questions, but we can

[26:43] wait for Joy to present also. >> Okay, sure.

[26:50] » Good afternoon. My name is Joyce Ciance. I'm here today on behalf of the

[26:55] community advis housing fund advisory board as well as myself. As Caribbec has

[27:00] shared, despite significant outreach and marketing efforts, the CHF down payment

[27:05] assistance program adopted in the pro project plan has not effectively

[27:10] addressed the unique housing challenges of our community with only three

[27:13] families to date benefiting from it. The 3% benefit is simply not enough

[27:19] financial assistance to make this dream of home ownership a reality in our

[27:23] community given the high cost of housing, the limited supply of homes

[27:27] priced within reach of firsttime home buyers.

[27:31] The community housing fund advisory board voted unanimously to recommend

[27:35] that the town board adopt an amendment to the CHF housing plan to remove the 3%

[27:41] cap on first-time home buyer assistance to authorize up to 18% first-time home

[27:47] buyer assistance from CHF funds to commit the additional $4 million from

[27:52] the fund >> to fund this amended program and to

[27:56] create the loan forgiveness feature for eligible volunteer first responders. As

[28:01] Cara has described, as you're aware, uh the CHF project plan

[28:06] guides our advisory board to, among other things, provide financial

[28:11] assistance to alleviate the housing cost burden and to provide housing options

[28:17] for seniors, disabled persons, and members of the workforce.

[28:22] We believe the proposals put forth today by Miss Bach very well demonstrated by

[28:27] the comparative examples achieve these mandates.

[28:31] I appreciate the opportunity to present the advisory board's recommendation for

[28:35] your consideration. Um, in addition, I am here to represent

[28:40] not just the advisory board, but I also wanted to share my personal insights,

[28:44] having spent 26 years as a senior executive at Fanny May, dedicated to

[28:49] affordable housing, focused not only on helping people realize the dream of home

[28:54] ownership, but also on helping them to maintain that affordable home ownership

[28:58] successfully over time. It is very well established that one of the greatest

[29:03] obstacles to home ownership for first-time home home buyers is the

[29:07] ability to save enough money for the down payment and closing costs. And now

[29:11] more than ever, first-time home buyers face severe severe affordable issue

[29:16] affordability issues driven by high home prices, elevated mortgage rates, low

[29:22] supply of house, affordable housing, as well rising rental rates, and student

[29:28] loan repayments exacerbate the challenges they face to save for their

[29:33] down payment. In fact, in 2025, the National Association of Realtors noted

[29:38] that the average age of a first-time home buyer has reached 40 years old,

[29:43] which is an all-time high since they started tracking that data in 1981.

[29:49] While the national statistics are daunting, they can be even more

[29:53] challenging in our township given the affordability of our housing, where the

[29:57] median home price has reached $2 million. We need to find a way to give

[30:02] first-time home buyers, including those who volunteer as our crucial first

[30:06] responders, a fighting chance in our market. I believe what Miss Bach has

[30:11] proposed and demonstrated in the example she walked us through give us a better

[30:15] chance to do just that. So, thank you for the opportunity to present the

[30:19] advisory board's recommendation and to share my personal thoughts for your

[30:23] consideration of the proposals. >> Thank you, Joy.

[30:29] And uh Claire Sheay is here. >> Gwen, I'm sorry. Gwen.

[30:34] » Oay. >> Ohea. I'm sorry.

[30:37] » Oh, not at all. Thank you so much. Um, thank you, madam supervisor and council

[30:40] members for uh and the public for giving me an opportunity to share some thoughts

[30:44] today. As Cara mentioned, I'm Gwen O'Shea, president and CEO of Community

[30:47] Development Long Island. I want to echo um supervisor your comments working with

[30:51] Carara. She's so innovative and thoughtful and really so committed to

[30:56] fulfilling the mission of the CDA and we are privileged to work with her and her

[30:59] team and obviously with all of you. Um the comments that you heard I think

[31:03] really cover it, but I do just want to um underscore a couple of the points in

[31:07] particular that Cara shared. So at our organization um we're a nonprofit that's

[31:11] been serving Long Island for um decades now. And one of the areas that we really

[31:16] focus on is home ownership and sustainable home ownership. And I think

[31:20] um there are three key pieces that Cara mentioned that I wanted to underscore as

[31:24] it relates to creating and sustaining home ownership opportunities here in the

[31:28] town of Southampton. Um the cost of living in our region is higher than it

[31:32] has ever been. And we know for so many individuals hearing the average age now

[31:36] at 40, so many of those individuals are coming in with good incomes, great jobs,

[31:42] but because of high cost of education, paying rent in a rental market that is

[31:47] really does not have a lot of availability, people do not have the

[31:51] money and they will not have the money anytime soon based on the cost of living

[31:54] in our in our area. So having a much more robust robust down payment

[31:59] assistant allowance like an 18% is really going to open the doors for so

[32:04] many residents to be able to close on home ownership.

[32:07] » The other two pieces that it's really important to underscore here is that as

[32:11] we know how expensive it is to live in our region to sustain affordable home

[32:16] ownership for the long term people have to be paying an amount in mortgage that

[32:20] is sustainable to allow for that success. So to really drive down that

[32:23] overall, as you've seen here, and these are two great examples, really driving

[32:27] down that overall monthly mortgage payment is key to allow individuals to

[32:32] stay in their home for the long term and see the building of equity for

[32:36] themselves and their family. And the other piece, I think the third piece

[32:39] that's really, really important that Cara touched on is this opens up

[32:42] opportunity throughout the town. By not having it be one development only that's

[32:48] affordable. Having it be able to be cut across and bought purchased throughout

[32:52] the town is really going to open more opportunities for individuals to become

[32:56] home buyers and really a allow for those funds to be accessed by individuals who

[33:01] are looking to complete home ownership. So, we stand ready to see an increase if

[33:05] the town should decide to increase the down payment assistance up to 18% to

[33:10] work with families. Me, many of the families that have come to us interested

[33:13] in utilizing the program do not have the down payment assistance that they need.

[33:16] And so, being able to direct them to this new enhanced program, we believe

[33:20] will allow for more home ownership to be created within the town of Southampton.

[33:24] So, thank you very much for the opportunity. Um, go ahead,

[33:27] » Miss M O'Shea. Um, first and foremost, I just want to thank you so much for your

[33:31] efforts and the organization's efforts in being an intermediary with the town

[33:36] of Southampton and specifically our CHF department, which um, we meet monthly.

[33:42] Um, and it was discussed at these monthly meetings with Councilman Neely

[33:46] as well that that we're not seeing the type of engagement on the 3% uh, down

[33:50] payment program. Um, can you talk a little bit about how you as CDLI would

[33:55] be that intermediary to work with the town and in in doing so, can you talk a

[34:00] little bit about how you also help other local municipalities in that regard?

[34:04] » Sure. Sure. And thank you so much for those comments and um we appreciate all

[34:07] the time that that you all put in on thinking this through. So, as a

[34:10] nonprofit organization, it's our job to ensure that we are being objective and

[34:16] providing comprehensive information to individuals to make the best decision

[34:20] for themselves and their family based on their financial situation. So, what

[34:23] we'll be doing, what we have done and will continue to do is doing a lot of

[34:27] robust marketing and outreach around should the town uh board decide to

[34:32] increase the down payment assistance, we'll be doing a lot of robust

[34:34] marketing. We'll be having on-site events here within the town. We'll be

[34:38] offering virtual classes. It's really important that individuals understand

[34:41] the full picture about what becoming a home buyer is. And so in working with

[34:45] us, again, we're not looking to direct anyone to any any mortgage lender or

[34:49] purchase any specific property. We want individuals to be empowered and educated

[34:53] on what successful home ownership looks like. So, we have um a home ownership

[34:57] orientation. We have one-on-one counseling. Some of the individuals that

[35:00] have come through us already aren't yet ready for home ownership to be quite

[35:04] honest, right? individuals think about it but don't really understand the

[35:06] importance of credit or building their credit or maybe there's been an issue

[35:10] that has caused some blemishes on their credit history and so our team can work

[35:14] with an individual to really get to a position where they're able to access

[35:17] the best rate possible they can go to a variety of lenders to access that that

[35:22] they're informed on all the different lending opportunities that are out there

[35:26] that they're in the best financial position to say okay you know we're

[35:29] looking at your debt to income we want to make sure you're not out over your

[35:32] skis right you want to have some a a little bit of a cushion, if you will, as

[35:36] you're paying your monthly mortgage payments. And so, helping individuals

[35:39] understand what that looks like. And then, as we go through that process with

[35:42] them, should they be ready the day that they come in, what we do is we work

[35:46] closely with the office to say, "Okay, here's a homeowner. Here's their

[35:49] financial situation. Here's what they qualify for. They're going out and

[35:52] they're looking, you know, for a property that really works for them in

[35:55] their financial situation." And then once that individual is able to find

[35:58] that property, then the town uh Cara represents the town and will be present

[36:03] at the closing to provide the down payment assistance to ensure that that

[36:06] transaction can happen. Does that answer your question?

[36:08] » Absolutely. It's great to have you be in partnership with the actual applicant

[36:13] because a lot of people want to know like what what is the next step and

[36:17] that's a very important feature and I know uh CDLI has been very successful

[36:21] with this uh with the ADU program in particular. Casey from your team has

[36:24] been really excellent and and a lot of our constituents appreciate what you do

[36:28] with with Cara. Can I just ask and this might be for you and or car uh cara but

[36:33] let me just let me ask the the difference between the 3% and what we're

[36:37] proposing the 18% there there is a particular I if forgive me if I'm

[36:42] incorrect there is a change in the loan structure in it being higher correct in

[36:48] in in how that is paid off for the applicant or no

[36:51] » Kevin Kevin can you put the um the uh chart up yeah thank you

[36:57] » is there is there a difference in the in in the loan structure itself uh in terms

[37:01] of how uh a applicant will be paying it off. For instance, if they are if they

[37:06] are approved of that 18% do they have to start paying that off right away or is

[37:10] there some time that they have uh before they have to start paying that loan?

[37:16] » So, uh our down payment assistance loan is a 0% interest loan that's not paid

[37:22] back until the homeowner sells or does a cash out refinance. So whether it's 3%

[37:27] or 18% is going to work the same way. All right? And that's and and that's

[37:32] important because that's what makes the home affordable is the fact that that

[37:37] lean will stay on the property. If it's 18% it will stay on the property and

[37:41] that homeowner won't have to make any payments on it and they just pay back

[37:45] that original amount that they borrowed when they sell the home whenever that

[37:50] may be and it gets paid back to CHF. the CH

[37:53] » and the sale price is there any limit on uh you know is it going to stay

[37:57] affordable or >> no? So that's the thing is that the way

[38:01] this program works is that homeowner they pick their own home that they want

[38:05] they the home of their choosing that they obviously can qualify for um and

[38:11] they earn all the equity on it. So they when they sell the home they earn all

[38:16] that equity and they just pay back what they borrowed um to the CHF fund. Um, I

[38:22] just wanted to note, um, so the our in our partnership with CDLI,

[38:28] CDLI runs the, um, first-time home buyer, um, counseling program for us.

[38:35] And it's an eight-hour program that somebody can they have to go through it

[38:39] before they actually are qualified for the down payment assistance program. We

[38:44] have a uh, a program coming up in October that will be in person. They can

[38:49] certainly take it virtually if they want to, but we have an in-person program

[38:53] that will be we're going to promote this as we get closer to the date, but it

[38:57] will be occurring on October 24th in the Hampton Bay Community Center. And CDLI

[39:04] has been just wonderful with us in in working and getting together local

[39:09] people who can speak about the process. you know, they speak about, you know,

[39:14] uh, how the mortgage process goes, how a home inspection goes, getting homeowners

[39:19] insurance, all of the things that people need to know when they're going to buy

[39:22] their first home. So, I just wanted to mention that and uh,

[39:27] I wanted to make a a couple of points and one was I probably wouldn't be a

[39:32] homeowner if it wasn't for Opaton down payment assistance. So, I'm a big

[39:37] proponent of this. Um, and I we had a work session on this. I just want to

[39:41] thank you for really explaining it to the board and and getting everybody on

[39:44] the same page and understanding of everything that's going on. But one of

[39:47] the things that you'd mentioned that I just wanted to make a point of was

[39:50] actually two things. One is, you know, I I don't see this exploding and us

[39:55] running out of money because let's face it, you know, finding homes under a

[39:58] million dollars in the town of Southampton is going to be challenging

[40:01] enough. Finding those homes are generally going to be west of the canal.

[40:05] All of all of the homes that CHF is currently financing for home ownership

[40:12] are east of the canal. Correct. Currently.

[40:14] » So, all of the ones that we're all of the projects that we're working on to

[40:19] construct and develop um the majority are east of the canal. Not all of them,

[40:25] but the majority. So, and we're trying to focus on that. Yeah. So, so I mean,

[40:28] so we can kind of almost help fill that gap whereby, you know, you may be able

[40:32] to find something under a million west of the canal, but then east and and not

[40:36] add to the density and then east of the canal where we can add some units. We

[40:40] are trying to do that. And then the other point that you had mentioned and

[40:44] touched on, it's something that I think is important to mention is with this

[40:48] with the um uh repayment forgiveness for um for uh first responders, I'm sorry.

[40:58] Um when you mentioned the cash out refinance, right? So you can get into a

[41:03] home potentially you can live in it for 10 years. you can volunteer your time

[41:07] and you can have that repayment loan paid off and then you can do a cash out

[41:12] finance to make improvements to that home and not have to worry about paying

[41:15] that loan back. >> Right. Right.

[41:17] » Certainly, you know, if somebody wants to put in a swimming pool or something

[41:21] like that and they're cashing out their equity, you know, we want them the town

[41:25] or CHF should get paid if that's the case. So, you know, that's the reason

[41:30] for that. Uh, you know, only if it's a cash out if they're refinancing

[41:34] » that again. item. >> Okay. So, if they're re there's two t

[41:37] two times people usually refinance. One would be to change the interest rate. If

[41:43] the interest rate, you know, is lower and they're just doing uh a refinance to

[41:48] change the interest rate and they're not taking any equity out, right? we we have

[41:53] to come in and you all would have to approve a subordination of our lean

[41:57] because our lean CHF's lean would be in second position be behind you know the

[42:03] first mortgage uh that they used to buy the house um if they're cashing out if

[42:09] they're doing a a refinance to cash out to get some funds to maybe put in a

[42:14] swimming pool or something like that some kind of home improvement

[42:18] then we would ask that they pay off that CHF lean first before they go and do

[42:24] something like that. >> But in the example Cindy just gave, it

[42:28] was that the 10 years had gone by and that

[42:32] » right >> their loan is forgiven.

[42:33] » If they were a volunteer and they and they qualified under the

[42:37] volunteer, the volunteer first responder program and then their loan, their CHF

[42:43] loan was forgiven, then they our our loan is forgiven. we

[42:48] would issue a satisfaction of that loan and then they could go and cash out.

[42:52] » So, perfect example, you want to send your kids to college and you need to use

[42:55] some of the equity in your house to take out a loan, you can do that now without

[42:59] having to use that money to pre to pay back this this loan because you've done

[43:04] it in kind with service. >> Exactly. Right.

[43:06] » But if it's before the 10 years is expired or someone who's not a a first

[43:10] responder, then they would need to uh it's in the agreement that they would

[43:15] have to pay back the loan. >> Yes. right before they could cash out,

[43:19] » they would have to come to the town to ask the town to subordinate the lean and

[43:25] the town's policy is and has been um that we would not subordinate if it's a

[43:32] cash out refinance. >> You said for the volunteers,

[43:36] » Joy, can you >> I just want to clarify for the

[43:39] volunteers, it's you're earning 10% every year. So if the cash out refi is

[43:44] at the fifth year, right, that 50% of it's not repaid just to be clear.

[43:49] » Exactly right. Yeah, Joyy's right. So So it's the balance of whatever. So So what

[43:53] whatever term that they have qualified under the LOAP program. So say that's

[43:59] three years, 5 years, seven years, whatever that may be. If they stop

[44:04] volunteering, they pay back whatever the balance of the loan is.

[44:09] » Okay. >> Okay. And also they have to make the

[44:11] point that when they volunte >> correct. Yep.

[44:16] » I would just say >> that.

[44:18] » And I would just say that the I that alone is such an incentive to our uh you

[44:23] know first responder agencies to not only retain folks but also recruit. I

[44:29] mean I think that one of the biggest issues that that many of them are are

[44:33] facing is actually being able to have um folks that they could rely on. uh

[44:39] throughout the remainder of the the year and forthcoming years. I mean, I think

[44:43] that's a it's there's a lot of our agencies that are are are very worried

[44:48] about the future. So, and I think we have um

[44:50] » Exactly. And that's why I kind of thought long and hard about this

[44:54] program, right? Because we can't do a preference. We can't, you know, uh a

[44:59] preference would violate federal fair housing laws or could violate federal

[45:03] fair housing laws, I should say. And so, but how do we how do we incentivize so

[45:09] that we have, you know, we get these first responders that, you know, that

[45:14] that have the ability to do the work. How do we keep them? And, you know, you

[45:19] you look at the chart and it's a significant amount of funding each year.

[45:23] So, like just for example, if you look at that 750,000 purchase price, the CHF

[45:29] assistance under at 18% is $135,000. Now, if we're offering to somebody who's

[45:35] a first responder 10% off each year, that's $13,500

[45:40] each year that they uh volunteer and help the community and earn that LOSAP

[45:45] credit. That's a significant amount. And I think, you know, that is an amount

[45:50] that should incentivize, you know, our first responders.

[45:53] » As we went through this, I think, as you said, we didn't look at it as a

[45:58] preference, but we looked at it. It's an opportunity,

[46:01] » right? That's what it is. >> It is. And it's because that first

[46:05] responder doesn't get the right to get DPALL. You know, they have to apply for

[46:12] DPALL like anyone else, >> right? And whether they're a first

[46:15] responder now currently or they become a first responder later on, you know, it

[46:21] it doesn't matter. Um it's just the only thing that uh is that if they are

[46:26] currently a first responder, they don't get credit for the years that they

[46:30] served prior to receipt of the DEPAL. >> And to Bill's point, what's uh the

[46:34] qualifications that do we get a report from the agency?

[46:39] » Yes. So they have to earn those points under the LOAP program. So we would have

[46:43] to have proof of that like any um you know any other agency. You know,

[46:48] » our controller handles the LOAP program. So it's all in our it's all in our

[46:53] records anyway. >> Yeah. And how how are you defining first

[46:56] responders? >> So anybody who qualifies for LOSAP

[47:00] credit would be considered a first respond

[47:03] » by ambulance. >> Yep.

[47:07] » Thank you, Cara. >> Oh, Carara,

[47:10] » sorry. which is which is another reason why as I was having this conversation

[47:14] with Jimmy Mack and Rescue needs to be an accredited agency that qualifies for

[47:18] LOSAP in order to get a lot of these things otherwise they don't qualify for

[47:22] any of it. So >> So in I noticed in in the um the

[47:27] amendment to the community housing fund project plan you've taken out the 3% but

[47:32] you didn't replace it with 18%. You you've made it now so that it's up to

[47:36] the board to pass a resolution to change that percentage. Yes. So I initially we

[47:43] started off with that 3% and it was written in the project plan as that 3%.

[47:48] Now it we won't have to go through the whole you know public hearing and wait

[47:53] the 30 days and and so on you know for that. It will be up to the board as we

[47:58] see you know fluctuations in the Southampton housing market to change

[48:02] that down payment assistance by resolution.

[48:05] » And what about the $4 million allocation? Is that annual or is that to

[48:09] be determined each year by the board also?

[48:11] » So what I would recommend is we if we add that 4 million to this program. We

[48:16] have about a million left from that 1.25 that the board initially, you know,

[48:22] allocated. Yeah. So we're going to have about $5 million.

[48:26] » All right. >> I would like to see how that goes. My

[48:29] hope is that by the end of the year it's gone and and then I come to you in

[48:33] January and say, you know, we've had all of these I think, you know, we figure

[48:38] it's about 30 to 40 people maybe we can assist with $5 million depending, you

[48:44] know, on the the home uh the price of the home. But, you know, hopefully I'll

[48:49] come back to you in January and say to you all agreedocate six months,

[48:53] » right? Can you allocate some more money? >> Right. come back in six months and we

[48:57] see how we're doing, >> right? But, you know, until that runs

[49:01] out, you know, I won't be asking you for, you know, any more money.

[49:05] » So, the resolution says up to 18%. So, how is that determined? And who

[49:09] determines? >> So, I I'm asking you to um to set it at

[49:15] 18% at this point in time. >> It doesn't say up to in the resolution.

[49:18] Yeah, I'm going to when when I prepare the authorizing resolution, if if

[49:23] that's, you know, way we're going to go, I would put 18%. And the reason why it's

[49:28] 18% is currently we ask the buyer to come in with 2% of their own funds. So

[49:34] now that's 20%. When you have 20% equity in a home, the banks usually don't

[49:41] require private mortgage insurance. And if you look at the chart here,

[49:46] you can see private mortgage insurance under a $750,000 home is almost $500 a

[49:52] month. And under a $950,000 home, it's $630 a month.

[49:58] » But the resolution says up to So are you going to change that before we adopt it?

[50:02] » So So I don't have a authorizing resolution for you here today, but when

[50:07] I prepare the >> at the public hearing.

[50:09] » Yeah. When I prepare the authorizing resolution, I would like you to um you

[50:14] know to authorize 18%. Okay. >> Cara, the only question I have is have

[50:17] we run this by any bank institutions? Because my question is when you're going

[50:22] and you're not going to have the private mortgage insurance, technically you have

[50:26] two loans on the property even though one is silent, it's still a loan for

[50:30] 18%. Will they qualify? Because if you don't have that equity, it's not yours.

[50:34] » Yeah. So banks usually when they when they uh take down payment assistance

[50:40] whether it's New York State down payment assistance, county down payment

[50:43] assistance or even our down payment assistance, they consider that equity

[50:48] and so they the bank is only lending the 80% loan to value and so they would not

[50:54] require the the private mortgage insurance.

[50:58] And we also, I think, talked about if you're fortunate enough to get a gift

[51:02] from your parents or relatives, that doesn't hurt their application in terms

[51:08] of of getting, >> right? If a if a family member uh or you

[51:12] know, their parents are coming in and gifting that 2%, usually the banks will

[51:17] want a gift letter that says that it's not being required to be paid back. it

[51:22] is a gift from the family member, you know, um and and and that that can

[51:28] happen because that is then essentially their money, their 2%. Okay.

[51:34] » Uh the um as much as we might want to have it available only to town

[51:40] residents, that's not an option. Correct.

[51:43] » No. Um the the program, the way the program is structured is they have to be

[51:48] buying a home in the town of Southampton. So when they buy their home

[51:53] in town of Southampton, they are a town of Southampton resident and it does have

[51:57] to be their primary residence. So >> it's part of the application process

[52:00] requires them to be a resident. >> I mean, and that's to that end, we do

[52:03] have a lot of town residents who are lifelong town residents who are no

[52:06] longer town residents because they would like to be, but they can't afford to

[52:09] live here. So, >> Correct. Right.

[52:11] » Most people are going to be wanting to get back to family and jobs

[52:14] » all the time. I hear that. Yep. and we'll have a lot of young volunteer

[52:18] first responders who are seeking to live here apply for this program and live

[52:21] here. >> That's our hope.

[52:24] » Yeah. >> So, I'm just last thing that concerns me

[52:26] a little is that not we don't have a cap on the amount and you could have

[52:31] somebody buying a $2 million home because they saved up some money or

[52:37] they've gotten gifts from their parents. And I don't know, it just seems like I

[52:42] know you're saying they couldn't afford it if they didn't have the income, but

[52:45] wouldn't it be cleaner if we did put some kind of a cap on

[52:49] » home price is capped, right? >> So, yeah. So, under the under um town

[52:53] law 64K it uh it both the income of the

[53:00] applicants and the home purchase price is capped under 64K. It's capped very

[53:07] high. It's one and a half times the Sony May first-time home buyer limit, which

[53:12] is right now $1.9 million. However, under the income caps, they they could

[53:19] never sustain a $1.9 million house. Also, when we uh when CDLI is doing the

[53:27] income check and all of the uh checks that they do to tell us who's

[53:32] qualificate who's qualified to purchase the home, there is a limitation on their

[53:36] assets and I believe it's 25%. Gwen, >> there is and can I just add to that

[53:41] important piece is that also as Cara was explaining which I failed to. So, thank

[53:45] you in terms of sort of the home ownership orientation and the counseling

[53:49] that we do. One of the key pieces is really taking a look at the debt to

[53:52] income, right? And as I was mentioning, our team as HUD certified counselors um

[53:56] that have, you know, full objectivity, we need to make sure that the income can

[54:00] sustain the mortgage. So, we would never even be referring anyone to CARA for

[54:05] consideration if their debt to income wasn't in a place that it was

[54:08] sustainable and they were able to cover that mortgage cost going forward, which

[54:12] means they would more than likely based on the income caps never get to the 1.9

[54:16] that um the current sale price is capped at. Now,

[54:19] » I just thought just for the sake of transparency and so people know not to

[54:24] bother even to apply, you know, shouldn't we put some numbers in here

[54:28] » in you're talking about in the project plan?

[54:31] » Yeah. Or Yeah. >> In the materials that we

[54:33] » in the >> So, so it's already in town law 64K, the

[54:38] income level and the purchase price. >> The purchase price of 1.9 million, you

[54:43] said. >> So, so it doesn't say 1.9 million. says

[54:46] one and a half times the Sony may limit for first-time home buyers because that

[54:51] changes every year, right? Same thing with the income levels. It's one, you

[54:55] know, it's the income max for one to two people and three or more, a household of

[55:01] three or more. So, and those do change annually. They Sony may comes out. What

[55:07] you may want, and I can certainly do this, um, Maria, is add into um the u

[55:15] the project plan the 25% uh equity cap, you know. So, in other

[55:22] words, a a family member can't give somebody, you know, 50% of the value of

[55:27] the home and then they come and they're asking for down payment assistance. And

[55:32] the reason why we have that cap is because we want to make sure that it

[55:36] goes to the people who actually really need it.

[55:38] » Yeah. Where that is already in there, the 25%.

[55:40] » No, I can put that in there. It's it's something that we've been working with

[55:44] CDLI. CDLI is doing all the qualification for us and that is the cap

[55:48] that they have for us. Um, but if you would like to see it in the project

[55:52] plan, I could certainly put that. What one thing I would like is when you put

[55:55] out the actual pamphlets or information about the program and that you put in

[56:00] the income and house price limitations so that people aren't

[56:05] » entertaining a pipe dream because it's just not feasible. So, but yeah, but I

[56:09] mean I I understand not putting it in the resolution because it changes, but

[56:12] putting it on any kind of material that we put out would be

[56:16] » Yeah. Well, like we're promoting now this this um in-person uh home buyer

[56:21] education course on October 24th in in Hampton Bay uh center and that will be

[56:26] at 9:00 a.m. Um anybody who's interested in that can call my office for more

[56:30] information, but we will be promoting that shortly. But on all of that

[56:33] material, we do put the current maximum income amounts and we put the current

[56:39] maximum um home price. >> Great.

[56:43] » Okay. >> Thank you. You're welcome.

[56:46] » All right. So, Jimmy Mack is here, Southampton Volunteer Ambulance and

[56:52] president of our trustees. >> Thank you. You all know me as president

[56:55] of the Southampton Town Trustees, my esteemed colleagues. But I am here

[57:00] actually as an EMT, a volunteer EMT, and as an officer with the Southampton

[57:04] Volunteer Ambulance and in support of this incredible bill because um I want

[57:09] to put a face on the crisis that you guys are looking at. Uh, and I'm going

[57:13] to become the crisis if if we keep going. What I've seen in my 21 years at

[57:18] Southampton Volunteer Ambulance is we train young people to become chiefs, to

[57:23] become drivers, to become EMTs, and and they do great. They win awards. They're

[57:28] loving it. And then they look outside of their parents' basement windows and say,

[57:32] "I'm going to go buy a house of my own." And then the next thing we we get is

[57:36] their resignation. They're moving south and they're gone. And as you all

[57:40] witnessed when you came to our awards ceremony for Southampton Voluntary

[57:44] Ambulance, all of our top responders are senior citizens. And it's getting to the

[57:50] point where that's going to become the crisis they are describing because

[57:55] people cannot afford to live here. And I would do anything to see more of this

[58:00] put in place anywhere we can. Affordable housing. This is a fantastic idea. These

[58:05] are are are great examples, but you know, this is still the the cheap end of

[58:10] what's available out here. So, um it it's, you know, recently I was I I

[58:17] turned my EMT certification ends next year and I'm thinking, h do I really

[58:21] want to do it? I'm turning 70. You know, at that point, I should be the one

[58:25] making the call, not the one showing up for the call. You know, I went on a call

[58:29] the other day and it was a a failure to thrive call and which means sort of

[58:34] usually you see that at the end of the life and they're just despondent and

[58:38] falling apart and look pretty bad. And as we were leaving I said to my em uh

[58:43] the paramedic I was with I said um did you get their age? And he said 70. I

[58:49] said oh ouch I got six months before that. I know I'm not going to be one of

[58:54] the failure to thrives and I probably will reertify because we don't have a

[58:58] mechanism in place currently to keep these young people at the ambulances and

[59:03] we and this is a great first step. So, thank you for considering this.

[59:09] » Thank you for coming to speak on it, Jimmy. All right. Um Kevin, is there

[59:13] anyone on Zoom for the second public hearing?

[59:21] I I have no hands. >> All right. Well, um, anybody any other

[59:27] questions from the board? >> I just want to say I'm really happy that

[59:30] we're all on the same page and that we're moving forward. Um, it's a it's a

[59:34] great step we're taking collectively. >> Yes. Very excited.

[59:39] » Right. Then, um, Garrett, >> so my recommendation would be to close

[59:43] the public hearing, please. And I would like to submit a resolution for adoption

[59:46] at your next meeting, >> please. Yes.

[59:48] » So much move to close the public hearing. Second.

[59:51] » All in favor? >> I. Thanks again, Carara.

[59:54] » Joy. >> Cara will be on the 24th.

[59:58] » Yeah. >> Yeah.

[59:59] » Uh, >> thank you.

[1:00:00] » All right. Thanks. >> Thank you.

[1:00:01] » So, madam clerk, would you please read the notice for the third public hearing?

[1:00:05] » Public hearing number three to consider water quality improvement projects for

[1:00:10] uh requested by the town of Southampton land management department for Hampton

[1:00:14] Bay Sewer System Design Engineering. Uh good afternoon, madam supervisor and

[1:00:20] town council members. Uh Jackie Fenland again, uh community preservation

[1:00:24] director for the town of Southampton. Uh these were um presented to you at the

[1:00:29] August 25th public hearing. Um so we did receive comments uh but I believe there

[1:00:34] was a noticing error. So these are onen today. Um so just to summarize these

[1:00:39] were um consideration for the H the town of Southampton Land Management Hampton

[1:00:44] Bay sewer system design. Uh so that is for $300,000 for the report geotechnical

[1:00:50] investigation meetings and public engagement tasks and on call engineering

[1:00:54] services to implement a sewer district in Hampton Bay with the primary purpose

[1:00:59] of treating the existing effluent generated by on-site wastewater

[1:01:02] treatment uh which currently serve the downtown area and will remove the source

[1:01:06] of nitrogen and other pollutants presently discharged from these

[1:01:09] properties into groundwater that eventually discharges into our surface

[1:01:12] waters. um not limited to but mostly Shinikok Bay and Tyiana Bay due to the

[1:01:19] local Hampton Bay's business district. Um so this is just a continuation of

[1:01:24] that hearing >> because what we have already is just a

[1:01:27] conceptual you know placement and um this money

[1:01:31] will allow us to hire a firm to do a design. Where will it be placed? Where

[1:01:38] will the leeching fields be? So it's this is just the next step in the

[1:01:42] process. Correct. >> Correct.

[1:01:44] » Okay. All right. Well, I do have some cards on this. The first is Michael

[1:01:50] Hillbrand.

[1:01:59] Good afternoon. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My name is Michael

[1:02:03] Hillbr Bays. The proposal to spend 300,000 of community preservation funds

[1:02:09] on a Hampton Bay sewer district design runs contrary to the foundation of CPF

[1:02:14] fund fosters growth which is prohibited and proposes to construct a sewer plant

[1:02:19] in a protected area of the pine barons. Treated waste water containing 10 times

[1:02:23] the pollutants of the ambient groundwater will be discharged into a

[1:02:27] deep flow aquifer. This area will not experience any benefits from this plant.

[1:02:32] CPF rules state that preservation of comm community community character shall

[1:02:37] include the protection and improvement of the quality of all water bodies. The

[1:02:41] water quality of the Flanders Bay wershed will be diminished. This is not

[1:02:45] a water quality project. The construction of a sewer plant in the

[1:02:49] aquifer protection district and the destruction of this critical resource

[1:02:52] area, the Pine Barons, vi violates state law, town law, county regulations, and

[1:02:59] the intent of every regional plan, which specifically calls for the preservation

[1:03:03] of this particular property for open space and natural recharge. There is no

[1:03:08] regional master plan that suggests that this area is appropriate for a sewer

[1:03:12] plant. Sewage from the business district will be pumped uphill 24/7 at great

[1:03:17] expense across the groundwater divide into the pine baronss violating mandates

[1:03:22] which prohibit the discharge of sewage originating outside and downgradient of

[1:03:27] the pine baronss. There are better and less expensive alternatives. Every

[1:03:32] environmental planner is taught that sewage should never be introduced into

[1:03:35] deep flow ac contamination risk to the groundwater

[1:03:40] posed by potential leaks, spills, or system overflows. Deep water can take

[1:03:45] hundreds or thousands of years to naturally refill and renew. Once

[1:03:49] pollutants like industrial chemicals, heavy metals, or nitrates reach deep

[1:03:53] zones, cleanup takes decades or proves impossible. This project does not

[1:03:58] qualify for CPF funds because it accommodates and promotes significant

[1:04:02] growth growth. At a minimum, the size of the town will be doubled and is likely

[1:04:06] that growth will be much greater than that. CPF rules state that the town

[1:04:11] board shall not certified projects which accommodates new or additional growth.

[1:04:16] The law is clear. The board cannot use semantics to get around this. The public

[1:04:20] voted for and believe that CPF funds are for per for preservation. I did. It is

[1:04:26] perverse to think that the use of these f same funds is proposed to destroy

[1:04:30] acres of an ancient protected forest and to defile a pristine aquifer to provide

[1:04:35] free infrastructure to enable developers to build giant apartment complexes and

[1:04:40] » 30 seconds >> at the pro at and profit at the expense

[1:04:44] of the taxpayer. The resulting bottleneck

[1:04:48] traffic will make it miserable for all residents of Hampton Bays and in fact

[1:04:52] for most of the residents of the South Fork except for those with private

[1:04:56] private planes and helicopters. Thank you.

[1:04:59] » Thank you Rosa Hillibbrand.

[1:05:07] » Good afternoon. My name is Rosa Hillibbrand of Hampton Bay. We're the

[1:05:13] closest neighbors to the proposed sewage treatment sewage treatment plant, but

[1:05:16] we're not the only neighbors. There are over 20 other homes near the proposed

[1:05:20] plant and over 100 homes in northern Hampton Bays which are impacted by this

[1:05:25] plant. I would like to read a portion of a letter protesting the location of the

[1:05:30] Hampton Bay STP that was recently written by Suffach County Legislator

[1:05:34] Steven Angelbright and sent to the Pine Barons Commission. Legislator

[1:05:39] Angelbright states, "The proposed project apparently would require both

[1:05:44] extensive vegetative removal and installation of a pressure man to pump

[1:05:49] untreated waste water into the pine baronss within a deep flow recharge

[1:05:53] area. This proposed project would violate completely the legislative

[1:05:58] intent of article 57. It would also establish a terrible precedent that

[1:06:03] would inevitably lead to other profoundly inappropriate proposals

[1:06:07] throughout the Pine Barons region. Importing liquid waste into the Pine

[1:06:11] Baronss for treatment and discharge there would impose all of the

[1:06:15] uncertainties of potential mechanical and chemical failures that are part of

[1:06:20] every operational sewage treatment plant system. Such unpredictability is

[1:06:26] precisely opposite the legislative intent of article 57, which is to

[1:06:31] preserve the Pine Barons as the westernmost part of the Pakconic Bay

[1:06:35] Maritime Reserve and to formally recognize in the law hydro hydraulic

[1:06:40] hydraologic and ecologic connection between this ancient pine forest and the

[1:06:45] nationally significant estuary that it sends fresh groundwater into. The

[1:06:50] subject proposal is not only contrary to the Pine Barons Preservation Act, it

[1:06:54] would also defile the Picconic Bay National Estuary with nitrogen infused

[1:06:58] treated wastewater. As a prime sponsor of the Pine Barons Preservation Act, I

[1:07:03] wish to clarify that this proposal to create massive engineered infrastructure

[1:07:08] for wastewater in the central pine barons would permanently downgrade the

[1:07:11] groundwater and compromise the ecological function of the Pine Barons

[1:07:15] and directly contradict the primary goals of the important New York state

[1:07:19] law that this commission was created to oversee implementation of. is important

[1:07:24] to add that I was also an original prime sponsor of the community preservation

[1:07:29] fund and another another New York state law. The CPF was implemented subject to

[1:07:34] a voter referendum within each of the five east coast east and towns. The

[1:07:38] purpose of this 2% real estate transfer tax was to protect community character

[1:07:43] by preserving through purchase open space, woodlands, parklands, and

[1:07:47] historic sites. The 31 acre parcel that is proposed to be used for a new sewage

[1:07:52] treatment facility so that the nearby business district in Hampton Bays can

[1:07:56] essentially be doubled in size is not consistent with the legislative intent

[1:08:00] of the TPF law that I co-sponsored which was in part intended to complement the

[1:08:04] earlier Pine Barons Reservation Act by providing a revenue source to enable

[1:08:09] purchase of important Pine Barons properties. Unfortunately, this proposed

[1:08:12] plan to create a new sewer system in the Flanders Bay area would not only violate

[1:08:16] the Pine Baron Preservation Act, it would also cause an important largely

[1:08:20] unspoiled 31 acre Pine Barons property that is ideal for purchase and

[1:08:25] preservation under the CPF to be ecologically damaged and permanently

[1:08:29] lost for the open space purposes that underly both of these New York State

[1:08:32] laws. I urge the board to read the letter in its entirety and vote no.

[1:08:37] » Thank you. I have a copy of the letter. Thank you,

[1:08:46] Jack. I have a few questions for you. We have more speakers.

[1:08:52] » More speakers. >> One more.

[1:08:54] » Go ahead. >> GMardi.

[1:09:04] Thank you for your time. I oppose this proposal because the facts and law do

[1:09:08] not support the use of CPF monies for any component of the CPF project because

[1:09:13] the primary purpose is to provide for residential growth even given the fact

[1:09:19] that there is a water quality component to treat existing waste water in the

[1:09:25] commercial court of the Hampton Bays. You are proposing to solve one problem

[1:09:30] by creating another problem potentially contam contaminating the aquifer and

[1:09:35] surrounding waterways. And you can't split the baby by saying a portion of

[1:09:40] the pro project is treating existing waste water and then a portion of the

[1:09:45] project is for growth. And just because you have um

[1:09:50] misapplied the law in the past and potentially misused funds in the past

[1:09:55] does not give you a pass to do it again. The STP project appears nothing more

[1:10:00] than an endgame and an end run around the rejected STP at 30 Cemetery Road

[1:10:07] that was proposed to provide capacity for new residential growth in downtown

[1:10:11] Hampton Bays. At the February public hearing, Sue Smith asked this town board

[1:10:16] to provide her with the information as to the origin of the STP to service

[1:10:21] downtown Hampton Bays. No one responded. I checked with Sue this weekend. There

[1:10:26] was no STP in the Hampton Bay Corridor strategic plan and first appeared in the

[1:10:30] enulled HBD to support the residential development in downtown Hampton Bay. I

[1:10:36] reiterate this is just a substitute and an end run for the STP at the Thor

[1:10:42] Cemetery Road to provide for residential growth. There is no updated

[1:10:47] comprehensive plan for the building in the Montalk Highway. There is no

[1:10:51] requisite um cumulative secret review. But yet the

[1:10:55] town is moving forward and expending millions of dollars on NTP. The town's

[1:11:01] push for residential growth in Hampton Bays is not only irrational as there is

[1:11:06] no basis in fact law but it is literally unnatural. I personally do not believe

[1:11:12] for a minute that town officials did not know about the Nelson Pope Benvor

[1:11:17] contract to neutralize the residents of Hampton states that oppose the HBD. This

[1:11:22] proposed ST will provide for unlimited growth and unbridled development since

[1:11:28] the town does not have an effective land use process to control development. I

[1:11:33] owe Supervisor Schneiderman an apology since I blamed him for all the

[1:11:38] irrational land use decisions in general and specific to downtown Hampton Bay.

[1:11:43] Now I realize it is SOB standard operating SOP standard operating

[1:11:49] procedure. It is institutionalized. It is systematic. I do not believe I do

[1:11:54] believe that eventually the law and facts will prevail but I doubt that it

[1:11:59] will be done at the town level that as I see you have a resolution on today's

[1:12:03] board which is amazing but I guess this will

[1:12:09] have to be left to the courts or other oversight agencies. Sad for everyone

[1:12:13] involved. Thank you. >> This is the one from last time. Just

[1:12:19] make sure that's

[1:12:26] » Hey Jackie, actually I'm going to ask Janice the question.

[1:12:41] » Good afternoon. >> Sharer, town planning and development

[1:12:44] administrator. >> I got a question for you. I don't want

[1:12:48] to put you on the spot. I know you're not a engineer or a steep specialist,

[1:12:54] but your understanding when it Could you just run through how the the sewage is

[1:12:59] treated? >> How the sewage is treated?

[1:13:02] » Yeah. When it comes out, what's the final product?

[1:13:04] » Sure. >> Because people are saying that we're put

[1:13:07] putting sludge in the ground. Um, we would seek to do a probably MBR

[1:13:13] system like Riverside, which is extra filtration. It even filters out um, PAS.

[1:13:21] Sorry, I ran up the stairs. And, um, by the time that effluent is

[1:13:27] tertiary treated, which means it goes through several filtrations, it comes

[1:13:32] out less than 10 milligrams per liter, which is the drinking water standard.

[1:13:38] So >> then it is recharged

[1:13:40] » okay >> in groundwater zone three which is a

[1:13:44] deep recharge area and then by the time it makes its way to any surface water

[1:13:50] it's just like any other aquifer water except decontaminated

[1:13:56] » excuse me >> I just want to clear clear that up

[1:13:59] because people have been saying that we're pushing sludge in

[1:14:02] » yeah it sounds like >> and the and the riverhead I maybe you

[1:14:05] don't even know this the riverhead sewage sheet ment plant discharges to

[1:14:08] the Ponic River. Correct. >> Yes.

[1:14:12] » Which is why when they have this release of accidental release, it's waste water

[1:14:17] that's released accidentally without being treated. Whereas the ones that

[1:14:21] we're doing are Riverside and this one also there is no we're not it's not

[1:14:26] discharging to Picottic. Actually, Riverside, we were going to do a

[1:14:30] constructed wetlands and release the water discharge to that, but because of

[1:14:34] the issues with the Riverhead treatment plant, we decided to basically have

[1:14:38] everything done on site and be charged on site.

[1:14:42] » That's exactly right. And it really has to be understood that the water is

[1:14:47] treated, the effluent right now is untreated going straight into the

[1:14:52] aquifer. And you would collect it all, treat it so it's less than 10 milligrams

[1:14:58] per liter, and then discharge so it goes through future even more filtration

[1:15:03] because that's all sand. And then it travels in the aquifer. Wherever it

[1:15:08] goes, groundwater divide or not, it is clean water going there. And and I just

[1:15:12] also want to say as we go through this process as we did with Riverside, we're

[1:15:15] going to have the actual experts in to give testimony and explain the the whole

[1:15:20] this is just this is just the very very fun the water quality project to we're

[1:15:26] doing you know which is an eligible project we're doing um that we are

[1:15:30] looking at the engineering the hydro geology the um you know and EFC has a

[1:15:38] very specific template that you have to follow. It's it's extremely advanced and

[1:15:42] the SRA >> and also together like we have funding

[1:15:45] federal and state funding on the Riverside project. We wouldn't have that

[1:15:49] funding if there these systems were a detriment to the environment.

[1:15:53] » No, this is this is a public health crisis and this is helping uh the

[1:15:57] groundwater and surface waters. >> Once we have the actual hydraological

[1:16:02] data and the engineer can come in, we can answer these questions more

[1:16:05] thoroughly. >> Right. You would be treating the

[1:16:07] business district which is I think approximately 270 some odd par 277 or

[1:16:12] something along >> which even I mean this board was

[1:16:14] » 277 what parcels or >> parcels along that stretch of road

[1:16:18] » and you have the gallons per day >> it was said that we shouldn't be doing

[1:16:20] this in a vacuum in this small little downtown thing we should be looking

[1:16:24] comprehensively at the whole corridor and that's what we set out to do

[1:16:28] » and it was also overwhelmingly when we were looking at 30 Cemetery Road and

[1:16:31] there was all the push back to that area it was you know we don't it wasn't the

[1:16:35] push back wasn't we don't need a sewer. This the push back was we absolutely

[1:16:38] need a sewer but we need to look at the whole area and we need to place it

[1:16:42] somewhere outside of the business district which would be and

[1:16:45] overwhelmingly crazy enough everyone had suggested up by the transfer station and

[1:16:51] that happened to be the where we landed. So

[1:16:54] » and this treatment system will be significantly less clearing than the as

[1:16:58] of right >> any as of right development. is not

[1:17:01] core. This is as of right >> growth, right? It's

[1:17:04] » compatible growth. What why it's a critical resource area is because it's

[1:17:07] deep recharge and this is exactly what that is means. We're recharging the

[1:17:12] water back to the aquifer >> to be pristine and used later.

[1:17:16] » I just I just want to I just want to uh confirm what Councilwoman McMah was

[1:17:21] saying about previous conversations that we had about this subject. there was

[1:17:26] push back to previous locations and we said we were going to look at this more

[1:17:29] comprehensively and and here we are. Um I do want to just however just meditate

[1:17:35] briefly on the letter. Did you read the letter from legislator Angel?

[1:17:39] » I did. >> And also we received I think a letter

[1:17:42] from the the uh the Pine Baron Society that said something to the effect of

[1:17:47] » the society not the commission. >> Correct. the society um that said

[1:17:51] something to the effect that we should be waiting before we do something act on

[1:17:57] this. But but this this particular resolution, can you just clarify this is

[1:18:03] a more preliminary um evaluation

[1:18:07] that is going to allow us to make more of an informed uh decision

[1:18:14] and understanding. This is this is still very preliminary. Is that correct?

[1:18:17] » Yes. This allows us to now move forward with an RFP to gain um to you know get

[1:18:23] professional services from engineering hydro geology PE you know like an

[1:18:28] engineer that also is a hydro geologist hydrarology um and

[1:18:35] this is what we do with water qual like we're looking at the feasibility we're

[1:18:38] doing all the analysis so to come in my humble opinion to prejudge it when you

[1:18:44] don't have all the facts is part of the issue it's just that it you know what

[1:18:48] things are intended for you are going to make a significant difference in water

[1:18:52] quality improvement. >> So I just ask that as the department

[1:18:56] moves forward working with the consultant that the issues outlined in

[1:19:02] uh legislator Anglebright's letter and the Pine Baron's letter be looked at.

[1:19:07] » Sure. because you it's your job to weigh out all those things economic,

[1:19:11] environmental, social, those things all play into each other and weigh it all

[1:19:15] out, all the relevant facts and make a decision. So, you're very far away from

[1:19:20] a decision yet, but you are committing some water quality money to get those

[1:19:24] relevant facts to be able to make those decisions. Correct.

[1:19:27] » And as you pointed out, it's not a concentrated small area. This is going

[1:19:31] to cover the corridor from I think it's East Tayana to Old Riverhead Road.

[1:19:35] That's right. So, how many gallons per day is that

[1:19:39] about? >> Oh, we did the feasibility analysis and

[1:19:43] we had like a range. >> I feel like it was about 200 to 500,000,

[1:19:48] but we we're we're going to get drill down closer on what

[1:19:51] » existing. I mean, >> the very close to 200

[1:19:55] » 200. Yeah, >> it's like 197,

[1:19:58] » but they make you design, as you know, to peak flow. So, we have to design it.

[1:20:02] » They say that it's just a ruse for you know unlimited residential growth and

[1:20:09] nothing is going to be treating the >> existing corridor also res

[1:20:13] » this corridor and it's existing flow that needs to be treated

[1:20:17] » absolutely right now you're going straight into the aquifer every single

[1:20:21] person that every single business that has a regular sanitary system is each

[1:20:27] one is 65 milligrams per liter roughly you're going to less than 10 for all of

[1:20:35] So 277,000 let's say it's even 50 milligrams per liter. There's that

[1:20:40] number and then there's one number which is less than 10 for everything. That is

[1:20:46] obviously a significant improvement. >> All right. So we'll just see you know

[1:20:50] what comes of it. you know, as >> well, you'll be having to do, you know,

[1:20:54] this is a like we go in steps and phases to understand it all and so everyone

[1:20:59] else can understand it all and and make sure that, you know, everyone is

[1:21:03] informed and on board to the extent that they can be.

[1:21:06] » Thank you. >> Thank you very much.

[1:21:07] » I'm going to check on the Zoom if anybody's on Zoom now. Kevin, is anyone

[1:21:10] on Zoom for this public hearing?

[1:21:17] » Yes, I have one hand up.

[1:21:44] Thank you.

[1:21:59] Hello. >> What?

[1:22:04] » Hear me? >> Yes.

[1:22:05] » Can't see you. >> Can't see you though.

[1:22:08] » Yeah, I have it in my car right now >> while I'm driving.

[1:22:12] » Shouldn't be driving. >> Can't you can't weigh in while you're

[1:22:15] driving. >> Not while he's driving.

[1:22:18] If he doesn't look >> should pull the car over.

[1:22:24] » I just I have it playing through Bluetooth. That doesn't That's not

[1:22:27] allowed. >> Got it.

[1:22:30] » It's not wise.

[1:22:34] » I I understand that. >> I just wanted to raise my hand and and

[1:22:40] say that I'm >> Please identify yourself for the record,

[1:22:42] sir. >> James Rogers.

[1:22:46] » Thank you.

[1:22:48] I just wanted to raise my hand and and put on record that I oppose the proposal

[1:22:53] as well for the same reasons Mike and his wife and everyone else in our

[1:22:57] neighborhood does as well. I live across the street in that new development that

[1:23:00] went up. So, I just wanted to make sure on record I know I'm not supposed to be

[1:23:06] talking while I'm driving, but I just wanted to make sure that got out there.

[1:23:08] » Okay. >> Thank you,

[1:23:15] » Kevin. Anyone else on Zoom for this third public hearing?

[1:23:19] » Yes. One more person.

[1:23:35] » Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can.

[1:23:37] » Thank you. I'll put my video on if that helps. Um, I approached your

[1:23:44] » Okay. Please identify yourself for the record.

[1:23:47] » Uh, surely. Uh, my name is Edwin Riiffken, otherwise known as Ned

[1:23:51] Riiffken. I live in the same uh subdivision as I think Mr. Rogers, who

[1:23:56] just spoke, and I appeared before you some months ago. Um, I have no objection

[1:24:02] to the uh fundamental quest that you're after, which is to expand the water

[1:24:09] treatment. It's the location that concerns me since I live so nearby and I

[1:24:14] just want to register my objection. I understand and I appreciate uh the

[1:24:20] consideration that you're all giving uh to this project. Uh on the other hand

[1:24:27] anywhere but where you're thinking would be fine with me as long as it does not

[1:24:31] impact our community, our small subdivision, which I fear it might. So,

[1:24:37] I wanted to just register my objection formally. Uh, but thank you for your

[1:24:42] service to this community and your careful thought uh that goes into this

[1:24:47] project. That's it. >> Thank you.

[1:24:51] » Sure.

[1:24:55] » All right. So, if there's no other comments or questions, then I move to

[1:24:59] close the public hearing. >> Second. All in favor?

[1:25:03] » I. Madame clerk, could you please read the notice for the fourth public

[1:25:07] hearing? >> Of course.

[1:25:10] Public hearing number four to consider water quality improvement requested by

[1:25:15] the Hampton Bay Water District for funding wellhead treatment for the

[1:25:19] removal of PSFAS at uh plant number three.

[1:25:26] » Uh good afternoon again, Madam Supervisor, town council members. Uh

[1:25:30] this is again the uh extension from the previous public hearing from August 25th

[1:25:35] um for noticing um corrections and this is the Hampton Bay Water District. They

[1:25:41] submitted an application for a water quality improvement project um that was

[1:25:46] submitted in December of 2025 which is now seeking um funding in the amount of

[1:25:51] 1,736,800

[1:25:54] for phase one of a multi-phase comprehensive construction contract to

[1:25:58] fund eligible capital costs for plant number three for POS treatment including

[1:26:04] engineering regulatory compliance treatment equipment construction

[1:26:07] insulation and other associated project components including but not limited to

[1:26:11] a granular activated carbon absorption and treatment system which will treat

[1:26:15] the raw water from well number 3-3 and well number 3-2 for the emerging

[1:26:20] contaminants of POS and PFOA and reduce contaminants down to non-detectable

[1:26:25] levels in the town's drinking water from this site.

[1:26:30] » Okay. to reduce it to non-detectable levels of the POS

[1:26:36] and uh the state changed the language in the

[1:26:42] statute to say that any project that results in the improvement of water

[1:26:46] quality would qualify for community December of 2024.

[1:26:53] Um it was signed into 64E that it removed the specific requirements and it

[1:26:58] said any um project that will um reduce or sorry improve water quality or

[1:27:04] improve drinking water uh can be funded by the statute.

[1:27:08] So we are looking at this to help serve Hampton Bay's residents um to give them

[1:27:13] clean drinking water and treat the emerging contaminants. Um, and we're

[1:27:17] trying to do that before the federal mandates for uh drinking water change

[1:27:22] » by the EPA. >> Thank you.

[1:27:23] » Yeah. And I believe it was 2027 was when it was anticipated, but I think there

[1:27:26] might have been an extension of that time frame to 2030. Um, but of course

[1:27:31] going, you know, doing the preliminary engineering and design and looking at

[1:27:34] the materials that would be relevant to treat this um that would give us time to

[1:27:39] comply with those standards. And we did, this is quite costly, but we were able

[1:27:43] to get another three million from the I believe from the DEEC.

[1:27:48] » Yes, I believe you saw other grants. Yeah, because the original request was

[1:27:52] 4.7 uh which reduced the request to 1.7 as stated earlier.

[1:27:57] » All right. Thank you. Anybody have a question at this point for Jackie? Nope.

[1:28:02] » Thank you, Jackie. >> We do have one card on this. Scalum

[1:28:05] party.

[1:28:12] » So, it is interesting how this Oh my gosh. how this piggybacks water quality

[1:28:16] and contamination and how it just happens. Um, but let's put a sewage

[1:28:21] treatment plant. >> Please identify yourself.

[1:28:23] » Gail Lombardi. Thank you. >> Hampton Bay. Okay. So, I have more of a

[1:28:27] question than a comment. Mr. Kappers came to the civic association meeting a

[1:28:33] couple of months ago. Um, mostly talking about the meters and a couple things. I

[1:28:38] have no recollection, neither did Neil have recollection of him talking about

[1:28:42] PAS contamination at the Bella's Pond sites. We're well aware of the

[1:28:47] contamination at Ponqu and it exceeded the amount and that was the whole

[1:28:51] brewhaha a couple of years ago and the 10-year master plan and selling the

[1:28:55] water district over to Suffach County. So, I guess it's more of a question or a

[1:29:01] comment. It's a big deal. I mean, I know it's under the limit right now and in

[1:29:05] your report 2025, you say you're compliant with all the laws, which I I

[1:29:10] suspect you are because it's under the limit. But when did that happen? What I

[1:29:14] mean online you have all these tests. It's a little hard to navigate through.

[1:29:18] I don't remember seeing a press release from our commissioners saying we've now

[1:29:22] found contamination of PAS of these wells. When did that happen? What year?

[1:29:27] What month was there a press release? I didn't see it. I'm not, you know, saying

[1:29:31] you didn't do it. I'm asking you when did it happen? And was the public

[1:29:36] notified that there's PAS from these wells? I appreciate all the grants.

[1:29:40] Thank you for all that. Thank you. Thank him. Thank you guys. But when did it

[1:29:44] happen? Does anybody know? You're the commissioners. Was it this year? Last

[1:29:49] year, five years ago, when was it? >> Are are you done speaking of? I'll

[1:29:54] answer. >> I'm sorry. Do you have that answer?

[1:29:58] Not to go back and forth, but it doesn't exceed the limits. And

[1:30:01] » I know I said it didn't. I know that. When did we when was there a test done

[1:30:04] that showed any PE? >> Because the EPA is lowering the limits

[1:30:08] and it's basically expected to go to non-detect at some

[1:30:12] point. We're being proactive >> in making sure that if we do get to

[1:30:16] detectable limits, they are treated immediately.

[1:30:19] » It's not that the levels went up, it's that the EPA is lowering the levels.

[1:30:23] » I understand that. But in the 10-year master plan, there's, you know, the

[1:30:28] report of the you have your your testing and your testing shows different levels

[1:30:33] and it's in the range or under the range. When was a PAS test done at that

[1:30:39] site and showed this minimal range? You had to have a test done to show this

[1:30:43] minimal range. >> We are assuming that the EPA is going to

[1:30:47] non-detect, which means we we have to treat even the

[1:30:51] barest minimum. I I >> We're being proactive, Gail, is the

[1:30:54] answer to your question. We're being proactive to make sure that the Hampton

[1:30:58] Bay's residents don't have to get water with PES in it. That

[1:31:02] » You're not answering my question, honey. I'm sorry. We're not

[1:31:04] » Okay, then I I have no answer for you then. I mean, I I think I think I did

[1:31:08] answer your question and I just didn't answer it the way that you wanted me to

[1:31:11] answer it. >> When was when was the test done that

[1:31:14] detected that amount? >> There are tests done all the time. Okay.

[1:31:18] » And the tests never exceeded the limit. So the test show the how many years has

[1:31:23] the test showed this little >> test has always been done. The test is

[1:31:26] we've been testing for PAS since >> you're saying it showed Pas all these

[1:31:29] years. >> No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying

[1:31:32] is that the Hampton Bays water district is being proactive and they are seeing

[1:31:36] up up well of this. They are seeing stuff. It's coming into wells all over

[1:31:42] Long Island. I get all that. This is an issue.

[1:31:44] » I'm just asking a you test every quarter. What quarter did you

[1:31:48] » We have never exceeded the limits of POS any of our testing. That's our answer.

[1:31:52] » No, you're not answering the question. Okay.

[1:31:54] » You're not answering the question. The community should

[1:31:57] » They don't have to answer the question here to listen to you.

[1:32:00] » The answer is we have never exceeded the limits.

[1:32:02] » Okay. >> That's the answer.

[1:32:03] » Okay. Maybe if you >> there was never anything to inform the

[1:32:06] Hampton based community about because we have never exceeded the limits and all

[1:32:09] of our testing is done completely open and transparently. the people can get as

[1:32:15] many of the testing in minutia detail that they would like to. We are being

[1:32:19] proactive to make sure that if and when the EPA does lower the limits to

[1:32:24] non-detect, we are ready and willing and able because turning down shutting down

[1:32:28] a well would be the worst case scenario. >> And if there's a miscommunication, Gail,

[1:32:33] and why don't you email the question because I feel like we're not connecting

[1:32:38] to >> or just call James Kappers. He's more

[1:32:40] than willing to have a conversation with any of our residents.

[1:32:42] » And and the EPA standards are a recommended standard. They're not a than

[1:32:46] not a mandatory standard either. That's just a recommended standard that's been

[1:32:49] lowered. >> If you email me the question, I'll get

[1:32:52] the answer for you. If there's more to the, you know, you're saying we're not I

[1:32:58] know, but she's saying we're not answering the question. I don't think

[1:33:00] we'reending the question. So,

[1:33:04] » I do apologize too because this was an adjournment because of the noticing. We

[1:33:07] did have experts available at August 25th.

[1:33:11] » So, I just wanted to say like everyone was here to answer such questions on

[1:33:15] August 25th, but I think if you do put your questions in writing, I said we can

[1:33:19] get those answers because I know they're not at my fingertips right now, but I've

[1:33:22] read through the studies myself with the application that was submitted in

[1:33:26] December. >> And he was here at our last

[1:33:27] » Yes. And he was here. Yeah. We have >> any questions?

[1:33:30] » Exactly. >> So, really, we'll get you the answers.

[1:33:33] Just email the question clearly and we'll find out. Thanks, Jackie. Yes.

[1:33:38] » Um Kevin, is anyone on Zoom for this fourth public hearing?

[1:33:49] » I have no hands.

[1:33:56] » Okay.

[1:34:00] » All right then. I'm If there's no other comments, I move to close the public

[1:34:04] hearing. >> Second. All in favor?

[1:34:07] » I. >> Thank you. U madame clerk, would you

[1:34:10] please read the notice for the fifth public hearing?

[1:34:13] » Public hearing number five to consider amending town code chapter 298 taxation

[1:34:17] to amend article 14 exemption for members of voluntary fire departments

[1:34:22] and ambulance services to authorize an increased exemption for surviving

[1:34:27] spouses of members killed in the line of duty.

[1:34:30] » Thank you, Madam Clerk. Good afternoon, Madam Supervisor and members of the town

[1:34:34] board. My name is Kathleen Murray, deputy town attorney.

[1:34:37] » Hello. >> Currently, article 14 of chapter 298

[1:34:41] addresses property tax exemptions for members of voluntary fire departments

[1:34:46] and ambulance services within the town. In particular, subsection 37 states that

[1:34:52] when an enrolled member of a volunteer fire company, fire department, or

[1:34:56] volunteer ambulance service is killed in the line of duty, the deceased member's

[1:35:01] unremarried spouse may continue to claim that real property exemption of 10%.

[1:35:08] Pursuant to recent state legislation, however, that is chapter 592 of the laws

[1:35:13] of 2025 and in accordance with real property tax

[1:35:16] law section 466-A that exemption may be increased from 10%

[1:35:22] to up to 50% of the assessed value of the primary residence within the town if

[1:35:28] the board so chooses. In addition, the state amendment re removes the

[1:35:32] requirement that a spouse cannot be remarried in order to claim the

[1:35:36] exemption by replacing the phrase unremarried spouse with surviving

[1:35:41] spouse. So, this local law implement implements those two changes pursuant to

[1:35:46] the state legislation. If the board is so inclined, there is a resolution of

[1:35:50] adoption on the agenda later today for your consideration. And in addition,

[1:35:54] your town assesses, Lisa Gory, is here and available to the extent you have any

[1:35:58] questions. Um, does the board have any questions for myself?

[1:36:02] » Sorry, could you repeat what you just said about the non-mar not being

[1:36:05] remarried? >> Sure. Currently the uh current withdrawn

[1:36:09] the legislation used to say in the state that you um you had to be unremarried in

[1:36:16] order to claim the exemption. So if you were a widow or a widowerower and you

[1:36:20] got remarried, you lost the exemption. But the state legislation has changed

[1:36:25] that to just say now surviving spouse. So a widow or a widowerower gets

[1:36:30] remarried, they can still claim that exemption.

[1:36:33] » So what we're doing is considering adopting a legislation that mirrors the

[1:36:37] state. >> Exactly.

[1:36:40] » In fact, I think that's what we were waiting on was for the state uh Lisa to

[1:36:44] make those changes and these have been ongoing conversations been going on for

[1:36:49] quite a while. >> Yes.

[1:36:51] » All right. Tom, did you have something? >> I um did want to read a letter uh from

[1:36:56] Terry Costuk, who is a surviving spouse, lives in Eastport uh to to the board. Um

[1:37:04] and she was unable to make it today for uh family reasons. Um but she did submit

[1:37:08] a letter. So I'm reading this on behalf of Terry Costa.

[1:37:13] I am writing to express my support for the proposed legislation establish

[1:37:18] establishing a tax deduction for families affected by a line of duty

[1:37:22] death. As a widow whose husband Keith Costik made the ultimate sacrifice while

[1:37:28] serving as a volunteer firefighter for the Eastport Fire Department on

[1:37:32] September 21st, 2025. I understand firsthand the emotional and

[1:37:37] financial toll these tragedies have on surviving widows and families. When a

[1:37:42] fireman or EMS person dies in the line of duty, the grief is immediate,

[1:37:47] overwhelming, and enduring. In addition to personal loss, surviving spouses are

[1:37:53] suddenly forced to navigate an uncertain financial future from having two incomes

[1:37:58] going down to one income overnight is daunting. The long-term reality of

[1:38:03] managing a household and maintaining financial stability alone is a

[1:38:07] frightening challenge. This proposed tax deduction represents a crucial step

[1:38:12] towards easing the heavy burdens carried by surviving widows and families. By

[1:38:17] reducing the property tax, this legislation acknowledges the ultimate

[1:38:21] sacrifice made by our fallen heroes. Thank you for your time and your

[1:38:26] continued dedication to supporting our fallen heroes and their survivors.

[1:38:30] Sincerely, Terry El Costic, proud widow of Keith B. Costic, 41 years of service.

[1:38:37] Thank you, Tom. >> Thanks, Tom.

[1:38:41] » I do want to say that this was uh discussed at the last Southampton Town

[1:38:45] Fire Chiefs Association meeting and they are in full support.

[1:38:52] And I also want to add that these two, this one and the next one did come up

[1:38:56] when the state passed it. And you know, I've heard, you know, other

[1:39:00] municipalities pass this right away. We actually waited only because when the

[1:39:04] state passed it, it wasn't in time for the last round of tax bills to go out.

[1:39:09] So, we waited and we're doing it now. So, it will hit the next

[1:39:13] » round of 2027, right? Come on up.

[1:39:20] » Trying to say it so you wouldn't have to. Lisa,

[1:39:25] » uh, good afternoon, uh, madame supervisor, town council members. I do

[1:39:30] have one suggestion. However, it does state that the exemption is from

[1:39:36] 10% up to 50% of the assessed value. My recommendation to the town board is that

[1:39:43] um it is made 50% so that it is uniform and consistent

[1:39:48] with that of the surviving spouse of a police officer killed in the

[1:39:53] » Yeah, we don't want to exercise discretion about which

[1:39:56] » Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a good point. So, um,

[1:40:00] we'll make sure we make that change that when we adopt

[1:40:03] » council, we could do that, right? Is that is that we could just make a change

[1:40:06] here on the floor? >> You may do it, but you can adopt today.

[1:40:11] Yes. Which is fine. I'll recirculate that change.

[1:40:13] » Thank you, Kathy. >> So, you eliminate the 10% to 50% and

[1:40:18] just make it 50%.

[1:40:32] I don't have any cards on this. So, Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom for this

[1:40:37] fifth public hearing?

[1:40:44] » I have no hands. All

[1:40:48] right. Then I move to close the public hearing. Second.

[1:40:52] » All in favor? I >> I. And madam clerk, would you please

[1:40:55] read the notice for the sixth and final public hearing?

[1:40:58] » Public hearing number six to consider enacting art article 20, exemption for

[1:41:03] surviving spouses of police officers killed in the line of duty of chapter

[1:41:08] 298, taxation of the Southampton Town Cove.

[1:41:13] » Good afternoon, members of the board. Uh somewhat similar to the last public

[1:41:17] hearing you just considered, currently there is no real property tax exemption

[1:41:21] extended to the surviving spouse of a police officer killed in the line of

[1:41:26] duty. Recent state legislation, that is chapter 670 of the laws of 2025

[1:41:33] and New York State Real Property Tax Law Section 471

[1:41:37] now authorizes an exemption for surviving spouses of police officers

[1:41:41] killed in a line of duty by reducing the taxable assessed value of their primary

[1:41:46] residents within the town by up to 50%. So this local law implements that

[1:41:51] enactment and codifies it on a local level. uh pursuant to that state

[1:41:55] legislation there are um paper there's conditions um if you look at section

[1:42:02] 298-60 sub

[1:42:06] um I just wanted to note that in order to establish that eligibility there is

[1:42:11] um paperwork that is available by the division of criminal justice services

[1:42:16] and the office of real property tax services for the town to use in making

[1:42:20] that determination. And one other note, this will be enacting a new section of

[1:42:25] your town code that is article 20 um town code section 298-60

[1:42:30] because again there currently is no existing exemption uh to any degree for

[1:42:35] that um surviving spouse.

[1:42:40] So would you say that the words >> so you'll see in

[1:42:44] » to the extent of is equivalent to up to so we should table that one also

[1:42:50] » um taxation to the extent of 50%. To the extent of 50% is 50%. So um

[1:42:58] » this one is 50%. Yeah. Um I misspoke when I just delivered it. Yeah. When I

[1:43:02] just presented it to you I said up to 50% but this one is actually to the

[1:43:06] extent of 50%. So you may adopt this one today um if you're so inclined.

[1:43:12] » Wonder why it doesn't say in the amount of or 50% to the extent of see

[1:43:17] » it's legal jargon. >> Yeah. This mimics the state legislation.

[1:43:21] » All right. Okay. And I just want to say also this is another one where

[1:43:25] immediately once the state passed it PBA president Eric Brightweiser did reach

[1:43:29] out in full support of this. So we do have the PBA support office.

[1:43:33] » Great. And thank you Tom for initiating the review of this.

[1:43:37] » Welld deserved. >> And we actually had I think two

[1:43:40] surviving spouses that were of officers killed in line who

[1:43:45] did did come to a prior town board meeting passed the state. So

[1:43:49] » and I just want to >> very appreciative

[1:43:51] » and I just want to thank Lisa for your leadership on this and sitting with the

[1:43:54] the board to help us get this done. >> Thank you Lisa. I don't have any cards,

[1:44:00] but Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom for the sixth public hearing?

[1:44:08] » I have no hands up. >> All right, then. Um,

[1:44:13] I move to close this public hearing. >> Second.

[1:44:17] » All in favor? I >> Thank you, Kathleen and Lisa.

[1:44:21] » Thank you.

[1:44:28] All right. Well, that brings us to the public

[1:44:31] portion. Our first speaker is Eileen McFen.

[1:44:36] You're still here. You stuck it out, Eileen.

[1:44:46] » Happy Tumble Weed Tuesday. Well, >> oh, that's right.

[1:44:50] and advisor and councilman. Um, I'm a representative today for the

[1:44:56] Hampton Bay Civic Association, Eileen McFallen.

[1:45:00] We have about 300 members, but we've put petitions out and uh, as to date, we

[1:45:06] have about um 600 total signatures that are urging the town council to purchase

[1:45:12] the properties for sale by the Hampton Bay Fire Department Commission. Uh the

[1:45:18] property connects from Main Street to Mtok Highway uh on Mtok Highway to um

[1:45:24] Goodground Ground Park. Uh there was a plan made 10 years ago. We'd like you to

[1:45:29] finalize that plan by purchasing that property. Uh the fire department is

[1:45:34] willing to um sell it for the fair market value to the town. If the town is

[1:45:42] not going to buy it, they're going to put it out uh to bid at the beginning of

[1:45:46] November uh for the um proposed amount of about a

[1:45:52] million dollars. It is very beneficial to Hampton Bay's

[1:45:57] residents that the town purchases this land over uh letting some developer and

[1:46:04] doing whatever they choose to do. Uh, and it could be that they'll make a a

[1:46:10] plan to connect from Main Street to the park. Uh, but maybe they won't and maybe

[1:46:16] they'll use it in some other way or maybe they won't use it at all. We don't

[1:46:20] know what a developer would do, but we know that the plan was made by the town

[1:46:24] and we would like you to continue with it, finalize it, and give it a good

[1:46:28] walkway because there is no walkway other than uh what's closer to Guava,

[1:46:33] which is not a very safe walkway. you would never use it after dark. Uh it's

[1:46:39] not a good walkway for anybody that has any disabilities. So, there's a lot you

[1:46:45] can do to improve this and just to make it um a great place for the residents

[1:46:50] and that's what they want and we will present the um petitions as soon as we

[1:46:55] finalized with them. Uh, you know, in the email that you sent

[1:47:01] me, you mentioned that the fire department contacted the town and gave

[1:47:06] the town till September 21st to respond, but I've asked and nobody seems to be

[1:47:12] aware of any kind of notice like that coming in.

[1:47:16] » Where did you hear that? >> They spoke to me personally

[1:47:20] » and they told you that they spoke with or notified us that we had until the

[1:47:24] 21st to respond. >> They were going to.

[1:47:27] » All right. Maybe they didn't send it yet.

[1:47:30] » I don't know what they'd be waiting for.

[1:47:35] » Um, I also wanted to say thank you that you're putting so many stop signs and

[1:47:39] giving safety to Hampton Bay. That's much appreciated.

[1:47:43] Um, also, do you have a date or any information uh that you can share

[1:47:49] regarding the Long Island Railroad overpass repair on Majuk Highway on the

[1:47:54] next meeting in the fall? Have they contacted you? You know, it was not

[1:47:58] clear because it seemed like they were going to have it in October and then I

[1:48:02] thought that legislator Welker said October 2027.

[1:48:06] So, I'll follow up and find out about that.

[1:48:08] » Okay. Thank you. And that's all I have to say. I hope you really truly consider

[1:48:13] this. >> Thank you.

[1:48:15] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[1:48:20] All right. Next speaker is Gail Lombardi.

[1:48:28] Thank you. >> First, yes, happy tumble we Tuesday, but

[1:48:32] I also want to offer Jim Burke special condolences for this week. Um, I know

[1:48:38] Friday's difficult day. So, um, thank you, Gail. So, in the June meeting, I

[1:48:45] came and now I'll get to the, you know, the normal gale, not not the nice gale.

[1:48:49] In the June meeting, I straight to ask council person Aasili for um support for

[1:48:55] the statements that he made that the community wanted the new parking lot.

[1:49:00] Well, I appreciate councilman uh council person McNamera indicated that she and

[1:49:05] Susan von Freddy wanted it. Well, that's two people. Um that did not suffice, but

[1:49:10] I was already seated and I didn't want to create a scene. Council person Isili

[1:49:15] made that statement at a very contentious civic association meeting

[1:49:20] about the parking lot and I request that I request that he support his statement

[1:49:26] for those very reasons. For what I see, not only do town officials make

[1:49:31] irrational decisions that they can't support, they also make a lot of

[1:49:35] statements they can't support. However, in council person's is defense,

[1:49:42] I did find some um notes about the parking lot in the 2025

[1:49:49] Hampton Bay uh citizens advisory committee minutes on the town's website.

[1:49:55] There were no minutes for the or agendas for 2026, but you take that out with

[1:50:00] you, citizens advisory committee chair. So that raises another question for

[1:50:06] council person pal and did you guys throw the HBCA

[1:50:12] under the bus about the timing of the parking lot renovation when there would

[1:50:17] when you were in talks with the HBCAC citizens advisory committee and either

[1:50:23] confused the um acronyms or purposely wanted to discredit the HBCA the uh

[1:50:32] civic associ association. I'm not associated with the civic association.

[1:50:36] I'm not on the board and I remove removed myself because I am very vocal

[1:50:41] and I don't know if Eileen's still here, but she's much nicer than I am and I

[1:50:45] don't want to taint Eileen here. Again, I owe Supervisor Sniderman an apology. I

[1:50:51] blamed him for purposely tarnishing the reputation of anyone or any organization

[1:50:57] that questioned the town's plans and purposely created discord among the

[1:51:03] various community groups in Hampton Bays so he could um opinion shop to garner

[1:51:09] support for his latest scheme. Now I realize that this the uh stirring the

[1:51:16] pot of discord and discrediting individuals and organizations is by

[1:51:21] design in the town and you all are better than that. Many

[1:51:26] of you have several years left in office and I hope you will seriously consider

[1:51:32] your relationship with the entire community you promise to serve and try

[1:51:37] to bring people together instead of creating discord. Thank you.

[1:51:47] » Okay. I don't know if you want

[1:51:53] » if you want to. pretty feel free if you want to.

[1:52:00] » Me too. >> I mean I think there was a

[1:52:03] misunderstanding in what was put out there that I mean I think what you meant

[1:52:09] was that people in the civic were eager for the parking lot project to be done

[1:52:16] that everybody supported the project. >> I'm sorry. You going to rebut what I

[1:52:21] say? >> No, I'm not.

[1:52:22] » No, I'm not rebuting. She's making a statement. I'm just saying I'm just

[1:52:25] think I wasn't there so I really shouldn't say

[1:52:28] » exactly supervisor with all due respect you weren't there we had three town

[1:52:31] board members there the be the meeting was very contentious three town board

[1:52:36] members that was my version of watered down what I want to what I would say so

[1:52:42] it would probably be better not to open the door for things that I really want

[1:52:46] to say that meeting was very contentious >> all right

[1:52:49] » and I won't say anything I address some of your com if you could take your seat

[1:52:54] and then I'll I'll >> I would like to stand here.

[1:52:57] » It's not a rebuttal period. This isn't a debate. It's it's

[1:52:59] » Hey, Jim, can you speak up here? >> Tell us about

[1:53:02] » She did. That's okay. >> Okay. So, with all due with all due

[1:53:07] respect, Gail, the the the Hampton Bay Civic invited us on that day there. They

[1:53:13] specifically had myself and Bill on the agenda to provide updates to which

[1:53:18] Councilman Pal and I devised slides publicly with the help of our staff to

[1:53:24] and highway department. Highway department actually showed up to provide

[1:53:27] various updates on quality of life improvements, a whole host of different

[1:53:31] projects that we've been working on in Hampton Bay. We provided that. We were

[1:53:36] up there uh and uh Councilman Pel was accused of being up there campaigning

[1:53:41] politically and that's when it sort of became a little contentious. I I think

[1:53:47] uh Councilman Pel and myself were caught off guard by that comment because we

[1:53:51] fulfilled a request of the civic to be there and pre present on the updates

[1:53:55] that that Councilman Pel provided. In terms of um the request of uh the the

[1:54:03] parking lot improvements, we we have been at almost every CI civic meeting.

[1:54:09] Uh we try to be there. Yeah. We're at also the CAC meetings and we meet with

[1:54:15] the chamber. There are not just people in your civic that have come up to us at

[1:54:20] those meetings to ask when are you going to do the parking lots. We've had

[1:54:25] members of the Hampton Bay community here at previous town board meetings

[1:54:29] asking what are you going to do to improve the parking in Hampton Bay? Uh

[1:54:34] where where what can you do to create more parking spaces so people can park?

[1:54:39] Go to the senior center. Go to the various businesses downtown.

[1:54:44] Councilman Pel has worked very diligently with the highway department,

[1:54:48] working with the board to procure resources to get some of those projects

[1:54:52] underway and that's that's what I can say to

[1:54:56] that. >> Yeah, we work we work very hard for

[1:54:58] Hampton Bays and we end up getting bashed and um it's you know we go to we

[1:55:04] don't have to go to those meetings but we go to because we like Hampton Bays,

[1:55:07] we like the people there and it's it's very unfortunate. You got a handful of

[1:55:12] people who see a lot of negative things and and everything we're trying to do

[1:55:17] and you know we're trying to improve it. I mean I lived in Hampton Bay for a

[1:55:20] number of years and that parking lot was horrible 20 years ago.

[1:55:25] Um it was too tight was laid out wrong was was just horrible. And

[1:55:32] you know people walk it up to when I when I was a

[1:55:36] trustee they said you know what do you think about the park on in Hampton Bay?

[1:55:40] I'm working on more parking lot on south of the railroad tracks which is which

[1:55:45] you might not need now but in five years you're going to need it. Um I'm trying

[1:55:50] to I'm trying to help Hampton Bays and most of the people realize that. I mean

[1:55:55] that night when I got bashed and Michael got bashed. I had people on walk out

[1:55:59] said don't listen to them. You're doing a good job. You don't listen to them.

[1:56:02] You're doing a good job. Don't listen to those people. You're doing a good job.

[1:56:05] Keep on doing it. Hampton base needs you. It just makes us feel like, you

[1:56:10] know, we're working extra hard and not Hamlet because it got it got, you know,

[1:56:17] neglected for a number of years by the prior board

[1:56:21] » and we're trying to make up for it, you know, and catch up. I mean, you have but

[1:56:26] you outnumbered >> and it wasn't and it wasn't myself and

[1:56:28] Susan von Freddy. It was I met with Susan von Freddy. I was the liazison to

[1:56:32] the Hampton Bay Beautifification Association. She was the president of

[1:56:34] the organization and met with me on behalf of the organization. And like as

[1:56:39] I've said previously, I mean the timing left a lot to be desired, but I don't

[1:56:44] haven't talked to one person yet who doesn't like the result. I'm I applaud

[1:56:48] you guys for working with the business owners in the lot to make sure that you

[1:56:52] know things that they needed accommodated for were done

[1:56:55] » and I think that was the disconnect. Every the timing was everybody wanted

[1:56:59] the project to happen. It was just the timing was unfortunate and we do have

[1:57:03] have communicated with the engineering department to ask them to please let us

[1:57:07] know in advance when things are progressing because all they know is

[1:57:11] that we want everything done as fast as possible. So they're trying to do it and

[1:57:16] but you know from now on they're communicating with us to say we could

[1:57:21] start this now is that all right you know so that something like the timing

[1:57:25] doesn't happen again or we can give it more thought contracts the timings in

[1:57:29] when we when we want it to stop before it just the contract said you know we

[1:57:34] want it right away >> and and it's not you know it's not like

[1:57:37] we did it to Hampton Bays we did it to ourselves when the restrooms were closed

[1:57:41] here in the middle of the winter. So, >> exactly. Yeah.

[1:57:45] » It wasn't Hamlet specific. >> No.

[1:57:47] » Uh, okay. Kevin, is there anyone on Zoom for a public portion?

[1:57:53] » Yes, there is.

[1:58:03] » I have two hands. I'm bringing the first person in now.

[1:58:05] » Thank you.

[1:58:10] » Oh, God. Nice

[1:58:16] picture. >> Hi.

[1:58:22] » There we go. Can you hear me now? >> Yes, we can.

[1:58:25] » Okay. Good afternoon, everybody. Um, about two years ago,

[1:58:30] » please identify yourself for the record, Lorraine.

[1:58:33] » I'm sorry. It's Lorraine Pcelio from Bay View Pines.

[1:58:35] » Thank you. Flanders. Um, recently, well, not

[1:58:39] recently, almost two years ago, we complained about a commercial sign on

[1:58:43] residential property on the corner of Birch Avenue and Route 24. It's a Fisher

[1:58:48] property sign. I believe they own the house there, but the sign is a res is a

[1:58:52] commercial sign sitting on residential property on the town 4 foot frontage.

[1:59:00] And um when we made the formal complaints through the online system, it

[1:59:04] was closed out. And then we followed up with our CIC committee. We sat down with

[1:59:08] Ryan Murphy in November of 25 and we asked again to enforce our laws and

[1:59:13] ticket to sign and put it down. Um this morning I called Ryan Murphy and I asked

[1:59:19] him the status and uh he said I would have to foil the information. I asked

[1:59:25] him specifically does that mean you will not talk to us and provide updates

[1:59:28] regarding um the sign that's illegally posted? and he said, "You'll have to

[1:59:34] file a foil request." He repeated that three times. I said, "Can you say yes or

[1:59:37] no that you're not allowed to talk to me?" And he repeated the foil request

[1:59:41] that I have to put in. I don't understand why we can't communicate with

[1:59:44] town officials regarding our issues. This communication is

[1:59:50] not productive. Additionally, the end of Longneck Boulevard has been having a

[1:59:56] problem for many years. I know you many of you are aware of it. um and that

[2:00:00] there is a pending project to help with the flooding situation. However, in the

[2:00:04] past, the highway department has cleaned and plowed the sand that accumulates at

[2:00:08] the end along Neck Boulevard off the street, which helps and allows water to

[2:00:12] drain. I have made several complaints to the highway department as the water is

[2:00:16] being trapped on the street level and there's excess of sand at the end of the

[2:00:21] street. I've complained weekly in March, April, and was told there's not much

[2:00:28] that they can do and um it's so bad now that you can drive directly over the

[2:00:34] guardrail. I don't think that's a good guardrail if you can drive over it

[2:00:38] because of the sand buildup. And as I said, um the highway department always

[2:00:41] plowed that sand and took it off the street. And additionally, the standing

[2:00:46] water since we've been having such heavy rains um it accumulates there more

[2:00:51] regular uh than it has in the past years besides just the regular flooding that

[2:00:55] comes in from you know extra high tides and storms. So every big flooding event

[2:01:00] that we have including these rainstorms we have excessive water sitting on the

[2:01:05] street for weeks at a time also since March. And so people cannot access the

[2:01:10] beach. They have to walk through standing water that sometimes has been

[2:01:14] standing there for a week or two weeks, 3 weeks time. I see children playing in

[2:01:18] it. This is not healthy. It's unsanitary and dangerous. Yet nothing is done

[2:01:24] despite multiple calls to the highway department.

[2:01:27] Um we think that at least when it lasts more than two to three days, it should

[2:01:31] be drained or sucked up somehow and put over into the sand. Please, somebody

[2:01:36] reach out to Highway on our behalf because they just ignore us.

[2:01:40] Um the last thing I have is that um you know I also sit on the CAC for Flanders

[2:01:46] Riverside Northampton. We provided a list of homes for the vacant buildings

[2:01:49] registry and when we asked Mr. Murphy the status he said they sent out notices

[2:01:54] to two homes sent out a letter saying that they're in violation and that

[2:01:58] they're working on. I don't understand if we give them a list of multiple

[2:02:02] homes. How long does it take to look at a house to see that it's deteriorating

[2:02:07] and neglected to send out a letter? Why is only two letters went out? Why didn't

[2:02:11] the letter go out to the whole list of of um people that we provided to put on

[2:02:16] the registry? >> Um 30 seconds

[2:02:20] off. And lastly, just one slight comment must you give us three days notice of

[2:02:26] these meetings with the agenda attached. You provided notice on Friday of Labor

[2:02:31] Day weekend and the meeting is on Tuesday. What about three business days?

[2:02:35] Wouldn't that be more helpful to us trying to read these agendas and and and

[2:02:40] be able to respond properly? Just consider that in the future. I

[2:02:43] appreciate it. Thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:02:50] » These get posted on Thursday after the agenda review. It depends on what we're

[2:02:54] waiting for from the town board as well. You know,

[2:02:58] » these things were posted on Monday night.

[2:03:00] » I was the one that brought it back to Friday so people would have the weekend

[2:03:04] to spend with the agenda in case they needed to motivate their organizations

[2:03:08] to come out to speak. So, um, Kim works very hard to try and get it out on

[2:03:14] Thursdays whenever possible to give them another 24 hours with it. So, but it's

[2:03:21] all timing, you know, with the agendas and the approvals and the department

[2:03:24] heads and everybody else. So, you know, doesn't happen.

[2:03:27] » It's a courtesy. It's not >> it's not magic.

[2:03:30] » It's not mandatory. >> Kim performs the magic.

[2:03:34] » Okay, Kevin. Is someone else

[2:03:39] » trying to bring them in?

[2:03:52] I got back just in time.

[2:04:04] » Hi. >> Hi. Can you hear me?

[2:04:07] » Yes, we can. >> Please identify yourself for the record.

[2:04:10] » Sure. Um, my name is Maria McDaniel and I have been a taxpaying resident of

[2:04:16] Southampton for approximately 25 years. I live in North Sea. I am here because I

[2:04:23] have written to both Kristen Dulos and Daryl Balmer at Parks and Recreation

[2:04:28] specifically requesting a response and received none.

[2:04:34] I had the same experience with Councilwoman Cindy McNamera. I then had

[2:04:39] my letter published in the Southampton Press and now I'm speaking to you.

[2:04:45] As a pickle ball player, I simply want to play on the public courts closest to

[2:04:51] my home that my tax dollars help fund. My letters concerned enforcement of the

[2:04:57] rules at the public pickle ball courts at 1370 Major Path. Local groups

[2:05:04] routinely disregard the 45minute court limit intended to allow others to

[2:05:10] participate. They remain on the courts, making equitable access impossible.

[2:05:17] Asking these players to relinquish the courts after their aotted time has

[2:05:22] resulted in acrimony. Taxpayers should not be forced to

[2:05:27] confront other players in order to have the town's own rules observed. Another

[2:05:32] Southampton resident, Daniel Blum, described similar rule enforcement

[2:05:37] problems and hostile behavior by routine players in an August Southampton Press

[2:05:43] letter. His experience shows this is a recurring issue, not an isolated

[2:05:49] complaint. Southampton taxpayers deserve equitable access to our public courts.

[2:05:56] There is already a different model at the town's Red Creek Park pickle ball

[2:06:01] courts in Hampton Bays where a staff member is present during the summer. I

[2:06:06] know this firsthand. In order to be reasonably sure I can play, I have

[2:06:11] driven approximately 25 minutes each way to Hampton Bays rather than the 3

[2:06:17] minutes to the major path courts near my house. The rules already exist and are

[2:06:23] posted. So, enforce them. I advocate for a town

[2:06:29] staff person to monitor the 1370 majors path courts during summer peak play

[2:06:35] hours and enforce fair access and rotation. I am asking you to reply to me

[2:06:42] with how you specifically intend to enforce the rules. Thank you very much.

[2:06:49] » Please. I don't think >> I don't know. Is that is that SYS or

[2:06:53] other employees? It's uh not it's not SYS. It's it's the town um it's the town

[2:06:58] facility. Um I did have a actual long conversation with her this afternoon um

[2:07:04] after speaking to Kristen Dulos. Kristen Dulos who you know to hear that somebody

[2:07:08] didn't get a reply is not Kristen. Um Kristen actually was waiting to hear

[2:07:13] back from Vinnie Mangano who is routinely at that pickle ball court in

[2:07:18] in North Sea and wanted to hear from him what was going on, what we could

[2:07:21] potentially change. Um and uh when I spoke to this woman today, I forget,

[2:07:28] Maria is her name. Um she actually asked that we go from the whiteboard system

[2:07:34] that we have where currently I guess players names are actually being erased

[2:07:37] by people playing to a paddle system where you put your paddle on the rack

[2:07:42] and then you go through whoever's paddles on that you play. I didn't know

[2:07:45] at the time after I spoke to her, I spoke to Kristen. Kristen said, "We had

[2:07:49] the paddle rack system. That was deemed completely a failure." So that's when

[2:07:53] they went to the whiteboard system. She also reached out to Vinnie Mano, who,

[2:07:58] you know, we we've I've told her that Kristine is going to put up for a

[2:08:03] part-time person next year in the spring. But to think that we're going to

[2:08:07] get somebody to sit there and and watch the courts from 8 to 11:30 in the

[2:08:12] morning, it's highly unlikely. and the person that

[2:08:16] she's talking about at Red Creek, she actually does instruction

[2:08:21] and she happens to be there and when she's there she will enforce the rules,

[2:08:25] but it's there's a there's a there's a group of players, you know, that's we've

[2:08:29] had issues with other other people have come and complained. It's almost like

[2:08:33] you want to be the parent and be like, I'm just taking it away from everybody

[2:08:35] and shutting it down for a little bit. Nobody's going to play. But, you know,

[2:08:38] that's obviously >> it's almost to that point where, you

[2:08:42] know, to say that this is a privilege to be able to play on these courts. I mean,

[2:08:45] yes, your taxpayers funded it, but at the same time, there's rules that have

[2:08:48] to be respected. And to think that we have to, you know, hire a young kid to

[2:08:53] babysit adults playing pickle ball is kind of crazy in my opinion. So, you

[2:08:58] know, >> so it's not SYS.

[2:08:59] » It's not SYS. It's the town facility. And to Maria's point, she had said that

[2:09:04] maybe we should have the woman who does instruction in Hampton Bay do

[2:09:07] instruction in Southampton. We did originally try that and we got inundated

[2:09:12] with complaints because it's a very busy set of courts and nobody wants

[2:09:16] instruction there. They want to just go and play when they want to play. So

[2:09:21] Kristen is looking into this. We are going to post it and see if we get a

[2:09:24] pickle ball monitor next year. I you know I most likely will not. Um you know

[2:09:30] as you know we have problems staffing our beaches and and parks. So, it's

[2:09:36] we're trying and and I do owe her a phone call back after I did speak to her

[2:09:40] and found out that we have already tried the rack system and that was deemed to

[2:09:44] not work. But, I mean, we are at a point where the behaviors and it's the same

[2:09:48] people every day and it's almost like maybe we need to close it for a little

[2:09:52] bit and and just, you know, listen, either you're going to follow the rules

[2:09:56] or it's not going to be available. >> I don't know. These are adults. It's

[2:09:59] sad. >> It is sad. As soon as the weather turns,

[2:10:02] they go inside to SYS and play. I think it's pretty much the same group

[2:10:08] of people who play outside and play inside in the winter. And we had a lot

[2:10:12] of complaints syss. >> I think the people who play pickup, not

[2:10:18] all of them, but there's a small percentage of they need to have some

[2:10:21] ethics put into them. >> And I will say too, Vinnie Mano's been

[2:10:24] out and usually when he's there and he facilitates, he keeps an eye on things

[2:10:27] and keeps it fair and gets everybody, you know, kind of doing the right

[2:10:30] things. But I just, you know, these are adults.

[2:10:33] These are adults are being asked to hire staff to police adults.

[2:10:37] » Yes, my wife >> I think they did shut down SYS.

[2:10:41] » I'm sorry, Will. >> Sys shut down the inside, right?

[2:10:44] » Because my wife plays pickup ball and she says um behavior by the pickup ball

[2:10:48] players are very rude. >> Supposed to it's supposed to be a fun

[2:10:55] » I know. You have to be fair to other people. This is really disheartening to

[2:11:00] hear that. >> And on and on

[2:11:01] » is there is just on that is there signage that says

[2:11:04] » there's the Barry rules are very clear. There's a whiteboard. The whole system

[2:11:08] is mapped out. Everybody knows what they're supposed to do. But you have

[2:11:11] grown adults are racing people's names because they don't want to play with

[2:11:14] them. You're talking about a 15-minute game. It's not like you're playing with

[2:11:18] this person for an hour. It's 15 minutes. So, you know, it's kind of kind

[2:11:23] of disheartening. And then to Lorraine Facilios, I will say what she was asked

[2:11:26] to foil is because it's in court currently. And on the Bacon Properties

[2:11:30] Registry, there were more than two letters put out. Um, I did speak to

[2:11:37] Barbara Suzowski, who's the chair of the CAC, at her last meeting and said, "If

[2:11:42] you want to put in a a sheet or a request of properties that you want us

[2:11:45] to look into, we're happy to do that. Don't assume that they're going to be on

[2:11:48] the list." So, they are putting that together. They have not submitted a

[2:11:52] list. So,

[2:11:56] Even if you had cameras at the um pickle ball court.

[2:12:01] » We do, but they're not close enough. But it's like the same thing.

[2:12:03] » Identify someone. >> You want to go play on a court and be on

[2:12:06] camera? I mean, I I >> I know that's true.

[2:12:09] » I don't want to discourage the people that are doing the right thing.

[2:12:11] » It's a lot of information. Pickle. >> Oh boy.

[2:12:16] » What do we have? Another card here. Just in the nick of time. I was just about to

[2:12:19] close it.

[2:12:24] Michael Hillbrand >> they shut the courts down this the

[2:12:27] inside courts I guess

[2:12:31] » I want to address some of the comments uh first the um Councilman Pel um

[2:12:38] » please identify yourself >> Michael Hillibbrand

[2:12:40] » thank you >> Hampton base so

[2:12:45] ambient groundwater maybe there is a 1 milll or 005 so when you're putting 10

[2:12:52] in that's that that's the legal limit for drinking water but wildlife requires

[2:12:57] a much much smaller amount. So it's either what I'm trying to say is it

[2:13:03] doesn't treat STP doesn't treat uh everything you know it's it's better

[2:13:09] than it started with 50 to 10 but it's still 10 to 20 times what's there in

[2:13:16] natural recharge number one. Second of all, the deep, if you Google, anyone

[2:13:22] Google, should you put an STP in a deep flow recharge area, see what you get.

[2:13:27] It's the worst place to put it. Someone just said it was the best place to put

[2:13:31] it, which is insane. That's because the whole Pine Barons was started for that.

[2:13:36] That is that is the the resource of all our drinking water. And it's not re

[2:13:41] natural recharge is from water going through. It's artificial recharge and

[2:13:46] has pollutants in it. And those pollutants again I keep saying are north

[2:13:50] of the groundwater divide. That's a different water body. So that water body

[2:13:55] is going to get worse. That goes to Flanders Bay. It goes to there's some

[2:13:59] wetlands to the west. It goes to Hoverard Creek. That's that's the whole

[2:14:04] point of this. If it if this sewer treatment plant was in the same

[2:14:08] waterhed, yes, you're taking uh water with higher nitrogen and making it

[2:14:13] lower. Here you're taking watering pudding. You're making the the nitrogen

[2:14:18] higher. So it's it's not it you you're this is this this area was set aside

[2:14:25] like 40 years ago for um you know just just to be reserved so we have drinking

[2:14:30] water. when um they first built the subdivision. We're we're the model house

[2:14:36] of the nine lot subdivision and the the county bought it because it was too

[2:14:42] sensitive to build any more houses for groundwater recharge. That's why they

[2:14:47] bought it. That's why there are no houses to the west. We our house

[2:14:51] probably shouldn't be there. But now you want to build next to it a sewer

[2:14:55] treatment plant which literally equal to 1,800 new houses. That's how much is

[2:15:01] going to go in there. There'll be the new system houses with the IIA system,

[2:15:05] but that's the problem. And the second thing is there's always leaks and that

[2:15:11] leak when you go in a deep recharge, it it it's just it's the reservoir for the

[2:15:16] whole island. It's like it's almost like they're reading the the maps exactly

[2:15:20] opposite because it just doesn't go away. So, you're going to add all these

[2:15:25] chemicals, all these pollutants, any it just happened in Riverhead a month ago

[2:15:29] in July. There was an overflow. It It goes It went right into Okay. went right

[2:15:35] into it and it doesn't go away. And that's the problem. That's what if if

[2:15:39] you read uh Legislator Ingel's letter carefully, that's that's what they're

[2:15:44] talking about. It's not it that's why old sewer treatment plans are really

[2:15:49] close to the water and even in Riverside. doesn't mean it that that is

[2:15:53] still going to go into uh Flanders Bay. It's it's still going to travel

[2:15:58] underwater, you know, it goes at a certain rate and uh quickly

[2:16:03] » three minutes. >> Okay. Uh and uh quickly there is also if

[2:16:07] you look at any of the groundwater there, there was perched water next door

[2:16:11] in a resource recovery area. There's there's like um if you look at the old

[2:16:15] subdiv subdivision um profiles of uh soils, there's there's like 10 ft of

[2:16:21] clay and there's uh there's all this silt and there's hard pan and it's very

[2:16:26] unpredictable how that water is going to move. You don't know how fast it's going

[2:16:30] to move laterally. So, it's going to go down. It's going to go down deep and

[2:16:34] it's going to go sideways and it's hard to predict. Thank you.

[2:16:37] » Thank you. >> Thank you.

[2:16:41] All right. Well, if there's no other comments, I move to close the public

[2:16:44] portion. >> Second.

[2:16:45] » All in favor? I >> Let's move ahead with the resolutions.

[2:16:51] » Town board resolution 1234 of 2026, co-sponsored with Councilman Neely.

[2:16:56] Authorize supervisor to sign any and all documents with Electronics Systems

[2:17:00] Central Station Alarms, Inc. for fire and burglary alarm control panel upgrade

[2:17:04] and replacement. >> Second.

[2:17:05] » All in favor? >> I. Resolution 2026-1239

[2:17:10] to authorize the supervisor to execute any and all documents relating to an

[2:17:13] agreement with Tel View Corporation to continue to provide software support and

[2:17:18] software maintenance for Southampton Sun20 TV.

[2:17:21] » Second and co-sponsor madam clerk. >> All in favor? I. Resolution 2026-1274

[2:17:30] to award a mini bid 10003-26 and to authorize the purchase of one

[2:17:35] 2026 Ford Ranger Super Crew 4x4 XL from Scorpio Motors LLC doing business as

[2:17:42] Greenwich Ford using the New York State OS contract for vehicles class 1 through

[2:17:47] 8 statewide. >> Second.

[2:17:49] » All in favor? >> I. Resolution 2026-1279

[2:17:55] award mini bid 100005-26 authorize the purchase of one 2026 Ford

[2:18:02] Superduty F250 XL from Haley's Brother Ford LLC LLC use it New York State OGS

[2:18:12] contract for vehicle class 1-8 statewide >> second

[2:18:15] » all in favor >> I

[2:18:18] tile board resolution 1284 of 2026 award bid packet uh 38 of 2026 and authorize

[2:18:25] supervisors to sign contract with core and main LP for meter replacement.

[2:18:29] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:18:30] » I I >> resolution 2026-1287

[2:18:35] award bid package 2026-0037 to authorize supervisor to sign contract

[2:18:41] with decoy construction inc for boat ramp reconstruction for Pconic Bay and

[2:18:46] Corwin Lane. >> Second. All in favor?

[2:18:48] » I. Resolution 20261289 co-sponsor with supervisor Moore

[2:18:54] authorized the purchase from Federal Eastern International LLC using the New

[2:18:58] York State OS contract number as indicated for firearms ammunition and

[2:19:01] less lethal products. >> Second.

[2:19:03] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:19:05] » Resolution 2026-1290 authorized purchase from Long Island

[2:19:10] Pre-Cast Inc. used in Suffach County contract PC 051

[2:19:16] 523 for pre-cast structure and casting. >> Second.

[2:19:20] » All in favor? >> I I

[2:19:22] » resolution 20261292 co-sponsored with supervisor Moore to

[2:19:26] authorize the purchase of priority dispatch system annual maintenance from

[2:19:30] Medical Priority Consultants Inc. DBA priority dispatch system for the PD.

[2:19:35] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:19:36] » I. >> Town board resolution 1293 of 2026.

[2:19:40] Authorized purchase from Musco Sports Lighting LLC using source contract as

[2:19:44] indicated for sports lighting. >> Second.

[2:19:47] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:19:49] » Resolution 2026-1305 to authorize the supervisor to execute a

[2:19:54] contract amendment with Daniel R. Felasco PEPC as it relates to

[2:19:59] professional consulting services for the Fire Island to inlet to Montalk project.

[2:20:05] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:20:06] » I. Resolution 2026-1311 co-sponsored by council members Pel and

[2:20:12] Malamera to authorize funding for the Hampton Bay Water District for funding

[2:20:16] wellhead treatment for the removal of POS at plant number three.

[2:20:20] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:20:22] » I resolution 2026 1312 authorized funding for the town of

[2:20:28] Southampton land management department for Hampton Bay sewer system design

[2:20:33] engineer. >> Second.

[2:20:35] » All in favor? I resolution 20261315 to authorize purchases from General

[2:20:41] Motors LLC using source contract number as indicated for automotive parts and

[2:20:46] supplies co-sponsored with supervisor Moore.

[2:20:48] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:20:50] » I resolution 2026 1316 co-sponsored with supervisor Moore authorized purchase

[2:20:55] from Eastern SuffK Bosey's contract number as indicated for General Motors,

[2:20:59] Chevrolet, Chrysler, Dodge, and Ford OEM repairs and parts. Second.

[2:21:04] » All in favor? I >> town board resolution 1318 of 2026

[2:21:08] accept the donation of a 2003 southwest trailer from Suffach County Department

[2:21:12] of Fire Rescue and Emergency Services. >> Second.

[2:21:16] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:21:18] » Resolution 2026-1321 declare item surplus and authorize

[2:21:23] dispose of trailer. >> Second.

[2:21:26] » All in favor? >> I

[2:21:27] » I. Resolution 2026-1326 to authorize the supervisor to execute a

[2:21:32] contract with First Coastal Corporation as it relates to professional services

[2:21:37] for the Fire Island Inlet to Montuk Point project.

[2:21:40] » Second. >> All in favor? I

[2:21:42] » I >> resolution 2026-1332

[2:21:47] award mini bid of 1012-26 authorized dep of one 2026 Ford T350

[2:21:56] from Schultz Ford Lincoln Inc. using New York State OS contract for vehicles

[2:22:01] class 1-8. >> Second. All

[2:22:05] » in favor? I >> I found board resolution 1296 of 2026

[2:22:09] co-sponsored with councilman Neely notice to biders for wellhead treatment

[2:22:13] for the removal of peas at plant number three contract F foundation construction

[2:22:17] bid packet number as indicated >> second.

[2:22:20] » All in favor I >> I

[2:22:22] » town board resolution 1297 of 2026 co-sponsored with councilman Neely

[2:22:26] notice to biders for wellhead treatment for the removal of POS at plant number

[2:22:29] three granulated activated carbon absorber contract bid packet number as

[2:22:33] indicated. Second. >> All in favor?

[2:22:36] » I. >> Resolution 2026-1308.

[2:22:41] Notice the biders for Long Neck Boulevard in Fllanders Bio bid package

[2:22:46] number 2026-000047.

[2:22:51] » Second. How's that for service? >> All in favor? I. So October 7th, we'll

[2:22:56] have the bids and hopefully we can award it right away and get that project done.

[2:23:01] » Yes. It's been on and off for the last two years.

[2:23:05] » Resolution 2026-1323 notice to biders for 2026 supply number

[2:23:11] two fuel oil service and repair bid packet number as indicated.

[2:23:16] » Second. All in favor? I >> resolution 2026-1328

[2:23:24] notice of bidder for Bayway improvement bid package number 2026-000045

[2:23:31] co-sponsored by the supervisor and Michaela second

[2:23:35] » all in favor >> I town board resolution 1331 of 2026

[2:23:41] reject bid and second notice to biders for granulated activated carbon change

[2:23:44] out bid packet number as indicated >> second

[2:23:47] » all All in favor? >> I.

[2:23:49] » Resolution 2026-1335, co-sponsored by council members Pal and

[2:23:54] Aasili, a second notice to biders renoticing and extending the bid opening

[2:23:58] date for Penny Park. >> Second.

[2:24:01] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:24:03] » So Jim, we are trying, but we're being held up. Jim Din, you're talking about

[2:24:10] resolution 2026-1306, co-sponsored by council member Pel, a

[2:24:14] bond authorization of $500,000 for construction of the new town activity

[2:24:19] center at 393 Mill Road, West Hampton Beach. Madame Clerk, does that have to

[2:24:24] be the role? There is. We need a second first.

[2:24:27] » Second. >> Thank you, Supervisor Moore.

[2:24:31] » Yes. Councilman Neil, >> yes.

[2:24:33] » Councilman Sili, >> yes. Councilman Cal.

[2:24:36] » Yes. Counciloman McNair. >> Yes.

[2:24:40] » Thank you. Resolution 2026-1275 to amend the 2026 adopted budget for

[2:24:48] special events. >> Second.

[2:24:50] » All in favor? Me too. >> Uh resolution 2026-13000

[2:24:56] co-sponsored by council members and Pal to authorize the transfer of funds to

[2:25:01] replenish the historic burying ground fund. Second.

[2:25:05] » All in favor? >> I just want to say one thing on this.

[2:25:09] » People don't realize how important this is.

[2:25:12] » We had a cemetery meeting today >> and um we have a lot of people are very

[2:25:19] committed to take care of the cemeteries volunteers and so when you lose one and

[2:25:26] or you die yourself, you know, hopefully in 100 years someone will be taking care

[2:25:31] of your grave. >> Exactly. Thank you, Bill.

[2:25:34] it won't be me. But yeah, and on that note, I want to

[2:25:38] thank you for restoring the fund because we just put up a beautiful fence on the

[2:25:43] north end cemetery on North uh Dorsy Road there. And um we uh we're very

[2:25:49] thrilled. It looks beautiful. And it's in celebration too of the 250th

[2:25:53] anniversary of the founding, you know, of the United States. And we have

[2:25:57] revolutionary war soldiers in that cemetery. So it was the timing was very

[2:26:02] good but we appreciate you replenishing the fund because that that money is

[2:26:06] needed for future repairs on on infrastructure. So thank you and Julie

[2:26:11] Green is wonderful partner uh in the historic division helping to oversee all

[2:26:16] of this and my two liaison um Councilman Pel and Councilman Aili have been

[2:26:21] attending the meetings which has been a new development in the last 20 years

[2:26:26] actually. So, um, >> well, there's going to be some really

[2:26:28] fun, interesting, historically engaging things to come in the future.

[2:26:32] » Yes, very much. Thank you for your support.

[2:26:35] » Can't wait. >> I'm not really too keen on having tours

[2:26:37] in cemeteries. >> What's that?

[2:26:39] » I'm not really too keen on letting people have tours in cemeteries.

[2:26:42] » What about a Halloween scavenger hunt? >> Oh, yeah. We shut those down. We shut

[2:26:48] those down. >> All right. Resolution 2026-1301

[2:26:53] co-sponsored by Councilwoman McNamera to authorize the 2026 contributions to the

[2:26:58] volunteer ambulance workers trust fund. >> Second.

[2:27:01] » All in favor? >> I

[2:27:04] this next one you withdraw. >> Tom Neely

[2:27:07] » resolution 2026-1336. We are going to

[2:27:13] » Right. We're going to withdraw this. >> Withdraw our table.

[2:27:15] » Be redone. >> Withdraw it so they can redo it and put

[2:27:18] a new one on. That's correct. >> Well, we have to make a change.

[2:27:22] » So, we draw it, >> right?

[2:27:25] » Not not official to the surviving spouse. That's right.

[2:27:29] » Okay.

[2:27:32] Okay. Resolution 2026-1337 resolution of adoption enacting article

[2:27:39] 20 exemption for surviving spouses of police officers killed in the line of

[2:27:43] duty of chapter 298 taxation of the Southampton Town Code. Second.

[2:27:49] » All in favor? >> I

[2:27:53] board resolution 1294 of 2026, authorization of cost reimbursement

[2:27:57] waiver for the Galilee Church of God in Christ violence free block party which

[2:28:00] was held on August 22nd, 2026 from 10:00 a.m. to 3 p.m.

[2:28:03] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:28:05] » I. Town Board resolution 1298 of 2026 authorized waiver of parks and

[2:28:10] recreation facility use fee for the Piconic Invitational cross country race.

[2:28:15] » Second. >> All in favor? I

[2:28:17] » I >> town board resolution 1302 of 2026. We

[2:28:20] have a portion of the show mobile fees for the San Janeiro feast of the

[2:28:23] Hamptons. >> Second.

[2:28:24] » All in favor? >> That's this weekend just in case anybody

[2:28:27] wanted to go. >> This weekend

[2:28:33] was this weekend. Was this weekend? >> Yeah.

[2:28:35] » 123 Las Vegas. Resolution 2026-1310

[2:28:42] co-sponsored by council members McNamera and Neely to authorize the sale of 1.5

[2:28:47] town owned Pine Barons credits. >> Second.

[2:28:50] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:28:53] » Town board resolution 1314 of 2026 co-sponsored by the entire town board

[2:28:59] designate September 20 26 as National Recovery Month in the town of

[2:29:03] Southampton. >> Second

[2:29:06] » and I would like to read it. Whereas National Recovery Month is a national

[2:29:10] observance held every September in order to educate Americans that substance use

[2:29:14] treatment and mental health services can enable those with mental substance use

[2:29:17] disorders to live healthy and rewarding lives. And whereas the town recognizes

[2:29:21] that currently there are 23 million Americans in recovery who are going

[2:29:25] through the process of change by improving their health and wellness,

[2:29:28] living a self-directed life, and striving to reach their full potential.

[2:29:31] And whereas represented by the color purple, National Recovery Month shines a

[2:29:35] purple light on recovery and raises awareness of substance use abuse

[2:29:39] disorders. And whereas those purple lights shine brightly throughout the

[2:29:42] town of Southampton, including the Koopa at the top of town hall, the big duck in

[2:29:46] Flanders, St. Mary's Church in Hampton Bay, and the Sag Harbor windmill.

[2:29:51] Recognizing all those in the process of recovery, those who have lost their

[2:29:54] lives to addiction, those who have been affected by addiction, and those who

[2:29:57] make recovery possible. Now therefore, be it resolved that the town board of

[2:30:01] the town of Southampton hereby wishes to join Safe and Southampton, its members

[2:30:05] and members including the Southampton Town Police Department, Human

[2:30:09] Understanding and Growth Services, HUGs, Long Island Addiction Resource Center,

[2:30:14] Hampton Bay Schools, Hampton Coffee Company, the town of Southampton Youth

[2:30:18] Bureau, Stony Brook Southampton Hospital, I try St. Mary's Church in

[2:30:22] Hampton Bays and other community members in designating September 2026 as

[2:30:26] National Recovery Month in the town of Southampton.

[2:30:30] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:30:32] » And I, you know, it's not just these. I've noticed a lot of the other churches

[2:30:36] and windmills have had the lights, so it's really catching on.

[2:30:40] » I know Westampton windmill they did around it, right?

[2:30:43] » Around it and in the windows. And then the church across the street, St. Marks,

[2:30:47] has the same thing lit up. >> Nice.

[2:30:50] » Yeah. Town Board Resolution 1325 of 2026, authorization of cost

[2:30:55] reimbursement waiver for the Hampton Bay's Lions Club 15th annual Over the

[2:30:59] Bridge 10K run and 5K runwalk to be held on September 19th, 2026.

[2:31:04] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:31:05] » I. >> Resolution 2026 1269 to attend the 2026

[2:31:10] public safety symposium, building safer and stronger communities.

[2:31:14] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:31:15] » I. Town Board Resolution 1309 of 2026 authorized fire marshal Shaun Kernin to

[2:31:21] attend the New York State Fire Academy fire investigation photography class

[2:31:25] September 30th to October 2nd 2026 in Montour Falls, New York.

[2:31:29] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:31:31] » I I resolution 2026-1316 co-sponsored by council members McNamera

[2:31:38] and Pal to promote Paula Godfrey to senior legislative aid in the town

[2:31:41] council's office. >> Second.

[2:31:43] » All in favor? >> I. Resolution 2026-1322.

[2:31:48] » I just want to say she works very hard for us. Very hard. She's a good egg.

[2:31:54] » Seven days a week she's working for us. >> Resolution 2026-1322

[2:32:00] to appoint Justin Latiri to youth counselor position in the youth bureau.

[2:32:04] » Second. >> All in favor? I.

[2:32:07] » This what we did.

[2:32:15] You're sorry. Resolution 2026-1295, notice of public hearing to consider

[2:32:22] amending town code chapter 312-9 to add stop intersection regulations at the

[2:32:28] intersections of Greenway Court at Old Riverhead Road West and Gateway Court at

[2:32:32] Greenway Court, Hampton Bay. >> Second.

[2:32:36] » All in favor? >> And Tom, someone will be here to talk to

[2:32:39] us about that, right? either either Tom or May will be here to show us on an

[2:32:45] aerial and explain it. >> October 13th.

[2:32:49] » Yes, I already told them. >> Thank you. Uh resolution 2026-1319

[2:32:54] co-sponsored by the entire board. A notice of public hearing to consider all

[2:32:58] the water quality improvement projects proposed for the 2026 Community

[2:33:03] Preservation Fund 20% water quality improvement plan grant funding.

[2:33:08] » Second. >> All in favor? I can I just say I want to

[2:33:11] I I just want to thank Jackie and Dan for your hard work as well as working

[2:33:15] with all of our other departments uh highway department in particular. Um we

[2:33:20] just really appreciate your responsiveness to some of these

[2:33:24] requests. >> Yes, I say thank you. And actually a few

[2:33:27] people actually watched it and they asked me about some of this stuff

[2:33:31] » which is nice because now they can come to the public hearing and they can speak

[2:33:34] because they know what we're talking about.

[2:33:36] » Not come because I already answered the question.

[2:33:38] » There you go. So, we did half and now we're going to do the other half this

[2:33:41] Thursday. And uh >> Thank you.

[2:33:44] » Then there was a change. So, it's September 24th, Thursday, 10:00 a.m.

[2:33:49] That's when the public hearing will be. >> Okay. Next, it's resol resolution

[2:33:54] 2026-1324. I am going to be withdrawing this

[2:33:58] resolution. It was to have a public hearing to add

[2:34:02] stopping, prohibited, and designated locations on a portion of State Route 24

[2:34:06] Flanders. I'm withdrawing that because um we had uh I did not believe that we

[2:34:13] enacted regulations on state roads into the town code and I was initially told

[2:34:18] that that was a uh we do now. Um but I asked uh the town attorney's office and

[2:34:24] the engineering office to dig a little deeper and in and in fact we do not

[2:34:29] enact uh regulations on state roads. So we're

[2:34:33] withdrawing this one. >> Okay, that makes sense. Thank you, Tom.

[2:34:36] Resolution 2026-1320

[2:34:40] co-sponsored by the entire board to authorize the acquisition of 2024

[2:34:45] 208 212 and 214 Old Country Road and four scrub lots in Eastport, Remenberg,

[2:34:52] Bianca, Northampton and to amend the CPF management and stewardship plan to

[2:34:56] include these properties. Second all in favor. And last but not least, let's

[2:35:02] see, we've got town board resolution 2026-1344

[2:35:08] to authorize the acquisition of 1719 North Sea Road in the Hamlet of North

[2:35:13] Sea and to amend the CPF project plan and CPF management and stewardship plan

[2:35:18] to include the property. >> Second.

[2:35:21] » All in favor? >> I.

[2:35:22] » And that's I'm co-sponsored by the entire board. And lastly,

[2:35:27] town board resolution 2026-1350, which is the warrant number 17, capital

[2:35:34] 17, CPF17, dated September 8th, 2026.

[2:35:39] » Second. >> All in favor?

[2:35:41] » I. >> All right.

[2:35:45] There's no other business. I move to close the meeting. Second.

[2:35:48] » All in favor? Bye. >> Bye.

Southampton Town Board 9/8/26

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