[0:00] Okay, we're ready to go for Spanish Fork

[0:02] City Council meeting August 4th, 2026.

[0:06] Thanks for everybody for coming. You'll

[0:08] have to excuse the council tonight a

[0:10] little bit. We are looking at a

[0:13] different look on our council agendas.

[0:15] It's the same stuff, but it's in

[0:17] different boxes and everything. And

[0:20] >> we're lost.

[0:21] >> Some of us,

[0:21] >> Jesse's the only one comfortable with

[0:23] us. So, so if we if we look like we're

[0:26] lost a little bit, uh it's because we're

[0:28] clicking around a new system up here.

[0:29] >> If you've read the organizational book,

[0:32] Who Moved My Cheese? We did. [snorts]

[0:34] And it's fun. Every once in a while,

[0:36] staff can be mean. And today's one of

[0:38] those days.

[0:39] >> And that not knocking it. It was a

[0:42] necessity that we do this, right? That

[0:44] the old system was going

[0:46] >> away. Yes.

[0:47] >> So, we didn't do this.

[0:48] >> I had no choice

[0:49] >> just to mess with Councilman Oiler. It

[0:51] was Yeah. It was because because we had

[0:53] to do this. So,

[0:54] >> don't like change.

[0:55] >> He doesn't like change.

[0:56] >> Okay. So, thank you. Thank you everybody

[0:58] in person. Thank you everybody online

[1:00] for joining us. We we will not change

[1:02] how we start our meeting with a prayer

[1:04] motivational message by Councilman Tuk

[1:06] and then Councilman Oiler will lead us

[1:08] in the pledge. Councilman Tuk.

[1:10] >> All right. Thank you, Mayor. So, this

[1:12] evening for the inspirational thought

[1:14] and prayer for the city, I invited uh

[1:16] one of my dear friends and a champion of

[1:19] Spanish Fork City u in many ways. if you

[1:21] know this individual, Susan Chapman, uh

[1:23] dear friend of mine and um just

[1:26] appreciate you accepting the invitation,

[1:27] Susan, and uh feel free to come up,

[1:29] share your thought and prayer, and thank

[1:30] you for being with us tonight.

[1:35] » Thank you. I did I did bring some notes.

[1:37] It's still brief. Don't worry, I'm not

[1:39] going to take too much time. Um but my

[1:41] name is Susan Chapman. A lot of you are

[1:43] familiar with me. I'm very grateful to

[1:45] be back here. Um, I was very grateful

[1:47] for Councilman Tuk to ask me to do this

[1:49] brief thought today. I wanted to start

[1:51] with a story. I grew up in Benjamin,

[1:53] west of Spanish Fork, the youngest of

[1:55] seven. My dad was the youngest of 11.

[1:58] When my dad was very young, he was about

[2:00] 11 years old at this time. My

[2:01] grandfather got cancer. Uh, my

[2:04] grandfather left the hospital and jumped

[2:05] on a bus to go home because he knew that

[2:08] his time was short and that he would

[2:09] pass away soon. As it happened, um,

[2:13] let's see. As it happened, harvest time

[2:15] was nearing at the same time as my

[2:17] grandpa grew close to death. The family

[2:20] farm sustained them. It was their income

[2:22] and support. The family gathered around

[2:24] him, and as they sat together, almost

[2:26] like a scene out of a movie. They heard

[2:28] a commotion outside. When they looked

[2:30] out, they saw the town's people arriving

[2:32] with their tractors, their horses, their

[2:34] gloves, their hats, all ready, all ready

[2:36] to help bring in the harvest. The

[2:38] community pulled together and brought in

[2:40] the harvest for my grandparents family.

[2:42] When the work was done, my grandfather

[2:44] gathered the children, the 11 kids

[2:46] around his bed, and he said, "Always

[2:47] remember what this community has done

[2:49] for our family." That story's been

[2:51] passed on and told at dinner tables and

[2:54] front porches, and it's been told a lot

[2:56] because we have a very large posterity.

[2:59] [snorts] It didn't just shape shape my

[3:00] family, but it's shaped my own

[3:02] children's families. If this were only

[3:04] true for my family and this one

[3:06] community, this would be remarkable

[3:07] enough, but it's not unique, and that's

[3:09] what makes it more amazing. When

[3:11] Councilman Tuk asked me to share the

[3:13] share a thought, I found myself thinking

[3:15] about what I loved about Spanish Fork. I

[3:17] thought about the Fit City Center, the

[3:19] trails, the libraries, the amazing

[3:21] activities, the businesses, the

[3:22] restaurants, but the most the thing that

[3:25] I thought about the most um was and what

[3:27] stood out was the people. So, I put out

[3:30] a small a call on social media and asked

[3:32] if anybody had any experiences they

[3:33] wanted to share. Adam Gaul shared how he

[3:36] was once stranded in Mosquite after a

[3:38] concert with his family and his car had

[3:40] broken down. He called Jordan Hawks who

[3:43] drove down immediately with his big

[3:45] trailer and loaded his car and his kids

[3:47] and all of his belongings brought him

[3:49] home. Randy Chipman shared a story about

[3:51] his neighborhood. A house caught on fire

[3:53] while the parents were away. The

[3:55] children were asleep upstairs and no

[3:57] alarm was sounding. He broke in through

[3:59] the door. Dennis the Dennis McBra McGra,

[4:03] sorry, ran in and got out the kids out

[4:06] safely. What followed became a moment

[4:08] that brought the whole neighborhood

[4:09] closer as donations without even setting

[4:11] up a Venmo poured in um from neighbors

[4:15] and they neighbors showed up for one

[4:16] another. I have a neighbor who every

[4:18] time it snowed after I was recovering

[4:20] from my back injury, he cleared the

[4:22] driveway before I even woke up. Another

[4:25] time I saw a family struggling and I

[4:27] sent out a call for help and the people

[4:29] who responded in my neighborhood where

[4:31] people who think very different than I

[4:33] do and we're often on different sides of

[4:35] the issues, but that didn't matter. They

[4:37] showed up anyway. There is so much more

[4:39] that connects us than divides us. This

[4:40] community is living proof that Spanish

[4:42] Fork is in fact special and we all feel

[4:44] it. Someday this these stories um that

[4:47] we that I shared and all those that

[4:49] haven't been shared will be shared and

[4:51] told at dinner tables and on front

[4:53] porches passed down the same way my

[4:55] grandfather's story was passed down to

[4:56] me. What makes Spanish work remarkable

[4:59] despite our amazing trails and our

[5:01] library at city center and activities?

[5:03] It's the people. Um I want to use my

[5:05] personal freedom at this time to express

[5:07] gratitude for our community in the best

[5:09] way that I know how. if you'll join me

[5:11] in an expression of prayer and

[5:12] gratitude.

[5:14] Our dear father in heaven, we're so

[5:16] grateful for this amazing community.

[5:18] We're grateful for our city council

[5:21] members, our administration, our staff,

[5:23] our first responders. We ask you to

[5:25] please bless them. Please bless their

[5:26] families as they support our city. We

[5:30] ask you to please bless our community

[5:32] that it will be protected from natural

[5:34] disasters and harm. We ask that um we

[5:37] can continue to be united. Uh we say

[5:41] these things in the name of thy son

[5:42] Jesus Christ. Amen.

[5:44] >> Amen.

[5:45] >> Thank you Susan.

[5:46] >> Susan,

[5:47] >> please stand and join me in the pledge.

[5:51] >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[5:54] United States of America and to the

[5:56] republic for it stands nationy

[6:02] andice for all.

[6:08] Good stuff. Thank you. Appreciate those

[6:10] thoughts. Uh we we got some recognitions

[6:14] uh tonight that we're excited to

[6:16] recognize some good people. Um Susan,

[6:18] while you're here, I'm going to kind of

[6:19] double dip that and just um recognize

[6:23] Susan as uh as a great contributor in in

[6:26] this community. um the the Fit City

[6:29] Center, a lot of the things that that

[6:32] you see happening in Spanish Fork to to

[6:34] be aware of of our general health, not

[6:37] just our physical health, but uh our our

[6:39] mental health. Uh Susan was a champion

[6:42] of that. Helped us get grant money where

[6:44] we didn't know grant money existed and

[6:46] uh and really helped us out getting the

[6:48] Fit City Fair started and everything

[6:50] else that uh that that has to do with a

[6:52] lot of health. And so I'm glad you're

[6:54] here tonight so we can recognize you and

[6:56] say thanks to you publicly uh and uh and do that along with some other

[7:00] recognitions. So Councilman Tuk, I'm

[7:02] giving you a kudos. Good choice. You did well.

[7:05] >> Thank you, Susan. Appreciate that.

[7:07] >> Um okay. Uh a couple of the other um

[7:10] recognitions that we have tonight. Uh,

[7:12] and it's fitting since we last met I

[7:15] think just prior to Fiesta Days and now

[7:17] Fiesta Days is over and uh you're

[7:21] already starting the next Fiesta Days,

[7:22] right Stacy? Committee is going to

[7:24] probably meet this month.

[7:25] >> Yep. We're meeting in two weeks.

[7:27] >> Insane.

[7:27] >> Debrief. [snorts]

[7:28] >> Okay. Well, these are this is is along

[7:31] with that theme. We'd like to invite Ace

[7:34] and Burke uh up here uh to the

[7:37] microphone. These are the Austin

[7:40] brothers. And uh if I'm u you guys can

[7:43] correct me if I'm I'm wrong and then

[7:45] tell me what's what's really going on,

[7:47] but uh we have a couple of high school

[7:50] rodeo champions here. Is that right?

[7:52] >> Yes, sir.

[7:53] >> If you'll introduce yourselves and uh

[7:55] and tell us uh tell us what happened and

[7:58] when it happened.

[7:58] >> Um so I'm Burke Austin.

[8:00] >> I'm Ace Austin.

[8:01] >> Uh I'm 19 years old. I just graduated

[8:04] from Spanish Fork High.

[8:05] >> I'm 17. and I finished out my junior

[8:07] year this past May.

[8:08] >> Uh, and we just went to the National

[8:10] High School Finals in Lincoln, Nebraska.

[8:13] It [snorts] was July 19th through the

[8:15] 26th. Uh, and we were able to

[8:18] [clears throat]

[8:19] have some good luck and

[8:21] >> I ended up winning the steer wrestling

[8:22] national title and the all-around

[8:24] national title.

[8:25] >> And I ended up being the reserve world

[8:27] champion in the steer wrestling and the

[8:28] reserve all-around cowboy.

[8:30] >> Wow.

[8:32] >> Back to back. to reserve. I mean,

[8:34] champion and reserve are just, you know,

[8:36] back to back, right?

[8:37] >> Yeah.

[8:37] >> So, Utah kind of took it.

[8:39] >> Yeah.

[8:40] >> Spanish fork kind of took it. They did.

[8:42] >> Oh, [laughter] okay. Cool.

[8:43] >> That is cool.

[8:44] >> Yeah. Mom and and dad are are here,

[8:47] right?

[8:49] >> I recognize I know your parents. Yeah.

[8:51] I know these guys. I didn't know

[8:52] they produced good kids, but I knew

[8:54] [laughter]

[8:55] I knew these guys. Yeah. Yeah.

[8:57] >> Well, awesome. Any questions, council,

[8:59] for good cowboys here? I'm curious about

[9:02] how old were you guys when your dad made

[9:04] you first jump off a horse and tackle a

[9:06] stair?

[9:07] >> Um I think I was 14.

[9:10] >> 14 when you So you've been doing it

[9:11] three years. [laughter]

[9:13] >> I started it would have been

[9:14] >> your freshman year

[9:15] >> three weeks before school started my

[9:17] freshman year.

[9:17] >> Dang.

[9:18] >> Wow.

[9:18] >> And then I jumped the summer before my

[9:20] sophomore year. He made me wait one more

[9:22] year because I wasn't big enough.

[9:24] [laughter]

[9:24] >> So you wanted to jump off a horse onto a

[9:27] moving cow.

[9:28] >> Yes. [laughter]

[9:31] We we've grown up uh ground throwing is

[9:33] what it's called or shoot dogging. It's

[9:35] kind of your junior high level type of

[9:36] bulldoging. You just take them out of

[9:38] the shoot. Uh but

[9:39] >> like run next to them and

[9:40] >> Yeah. Yeah. And then we stepped up off

[9:42] to horses when we got into high school.

[9:45] >> All right. It's pretty cool.

[9:46] >> Very cool. Very big congratulations.

[9:49] >> That's super cool. Thanks for

[9:50] representing the community. Well,

[9:52] >> what's next? You going to

[9:54] >> College Bission? Okay.

[9:56] >> I'm going to Albuquerque, New Mexico. I

[9:58] leave August. I start August 19th and

[10:00] then after that I will be attending Utah

[10:03] Valley University on a rodeo

[10:04] scholarship.

[10:05] >> All right, cool.

[10:06] >> Very cool.

[10:07] >> They got any horses and steers in New

[10:08] Mexico or

[10:09] >> uh they got a lot of people that rodeo

[10:11] and ropes so maybe we'll make some.

[10:13] >> Okay, good.

[10:13] >> They have the best food in Albuquerque.

[10:15] >> Great food.

[10:16] >> You love it. [clears throat]

[10:17] >> It's amazing.

[10:18] >> So, when do we when should we expect to

[10:21] see you in our Fiesta Days rodeo? Is

[10:23] that something that's on your bucket

[10:24] list?

[10:24] >> If if the finals wasn't over Fiesta

[10:26] Days, I was actually going to enter. Uh,

[10:28] when I get home from my mission, I'll be

[10:31] trying to enter. Yes, it is. Yes.

[10:33] >> Are we getting an exemption? Can we make

[10:35] a mayor's exemption?

[10:36] >> I don't think we can. I mean, we can

[10:38] try. I think you should try. I just be okay if you get turned down, but

[10:42] >> Yeah. Yeah. All right.

[10:43] >> It's a PRCA thing. [laughter]

[10:45] >> So, sorry. Steer wrestling and what

[10:47] else?

[10:47] >> Uh, I made it to nationals in the steer

[10:49] wrestling, the calf rope, and the team

[10:50] rope.

[10:51] >> So, okay. You did all three round?

[10:53] >> Yeah. And then

[10:54] >> I made it in the steer wrestling and we

[10:56] team rope together.

[10:57] >> Yeah.

[10:58] Who's the head? Who's the heel?

[10:59] >> I head and

[10:59] >> I hill.

[11:01] >> So,

[11:02] who's the better of the two? And that's

[11:04] Ask Mom and Dad. You're not going to

[11:05] answer that.

[11:05] >> They're not going to answer.

[11:06] >> Yeah. I mean, who misses? If you're

[11:08] going to miss the head or the heel,

[11:09] who's going to miss?

[11:10] >> Probably me.

[11:11] >> No, don't say. Come on. Don't be too

[11:12] nice. [laughter]

[11:14] >> At least he's honest.

[11:17] >> He's like,

[11:19] [cough]

[11:20] >> tell you're close though. Like, you're

[11:21] just finishing each other's sentences

[11:23] and it's it's cool. I bet you work very

[11:26] well together out there doing

[11:28] >> he's considered my bigger little

[11:29] brother. Uh he's always been bigger than

[11:31] me for the most part. And it was

[11:33] something that's never been done uh what

[11:35] we did out of the high school finals. No

[11:37] one no one related has ever done gone

[11:40] one and two let alone brothers one and

[11:43] two.

[11:43] >> That's pretty dang cool.

[11:45] >> There has to be time when you're like

[11:47] wrestling each other in the dirt though.

[11:50] >> I mean you're not that nice to each

[11:51] other. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah.

[11:52] >> Sometimes practices get heated.

[11:54] >> Yeah. Okay. All right.

[11:56] >> So, did you guys miss fiesta days at

[11:57] all? You were gone the whole week?

[11:58] >> Gone the whole week.

[11:59] >> Laser focused on where you're at or

[12:00] >> Yeah.

[12:01] We left would have been the Friday

[12:03] before it started and got home the

[12:05] Sunday after.

[12:06] >> Darn it.

[12:06] >> Gez.

[12:08] >> Well, we wish you the best and hope you

[12:10] take a title home from our fiesta days

[12:12] arena one day.

[12:13] >> One day.

[12:14] >> Yeah. Thank you guys. Well, thanks for

[12:16] representing us and uh please come up

[12:18] here and Pete's a picture guy that likes

[12:20] to get a picture up here, but we want to

[12:21] give you a round of applause before you

[12:23] do that if you can.

[12:23] >> Thank you.

[12:32] » Congratulations.

[12:34] >> Great job. Congratulations.

[12:35] >> How you doing? It's good to see you.

[12:40] >> Well done.

[12:42] >> Get those two guys in the

[12:45] You guys surrounded

[12:49] pretty pretty cool. Pretty amazing.

[12:51] >> Good kids.

[12:54] >> Is dad a steer wrestler?

[12:56] >> Yeah. Grandpa.

[12:57] >> Yeah. Runs his family.

[12:59] >> Generational choice in [laughter]

[13:02] that way.

[13:04] >> You know when those parents put their

[13:05] kids on sheets and they're screaming and

[13:07] clawing? That was you.

[13:10] [laughter]

[13:12] >> They wanted to.

[13:13] >> Okay, here we go.

[13:21] >> Thank you.

[13:23] >> Congratulations, guys. Thank you.

[13:30] » Very cool stuff. And uh we'll get that

[13:34] picture, Pete, and get it up in the in

[13:36] the mayor's office. I'll have to sign it

[13:38] first, you know. Yeah.

[13:41] Okay. Uh thanks, uh Ace Burke. We

[13:44] appreciate that. Uh we have an employee

[13:47] of the quarter that we'd like to

[13:49] recognize now. And uh this is a good

[13:52] guy. We got a lot of good good guys in

[13:54] the guys and gals in in our workforce

[13:57] here in Spanish Fork. But it's always

[13:59] fun to recognize an employee of the

[14:01] quarter. I'm not sure who's getting up

[14:02] to recognize

[14:05] >> There he is. Mr. Hayward. Okay.

[14:11] pull out some of the references on on uh

[14:14] yeah so we are um

[14:18] or I should say one of my employees

[14:19] Brian Ridge um was recognized a lot of

[14:22] it from the library and I'm just going

[14:24] to read some of their comments here on

[14:25] some of the things that they said Brian

[14:28] Ridge saves their bacon at the library

[14:29] all the time he makes personal visits

[14:31] all the time to fix personnel personal

[14:34] staff computers public access computers

[14:36] printers, etc. And he lo knows lots of

[14:39] library staff names because he works

[14:41] with us so much. You would think he'd be

[14:43] sick of us by now, but he always comes

[14:45] in and says hi with a smile. And we're

[14:47] always excited to see him and eager to

[14:49] use his expertise for as long as we can

[14:51] manage to steal him from all the other

[14:53] people who need him. We know he's high

[14:55] in demand.

[14:57] Uh he says what this is one it says uh

[15:00] recognize him for exceptional service,

[15:02] professionalism and dedication he

[15:03] consistently demonstrates in support of

[15:05] our library staff. What sets him apart

[15:07] is not just his technical expertise but

[15:09] the way he delivers it with patience,

[15:12] responsiveness and genuine care.

[15:14] Whenever our team encounters technical

[15:16] issues, whether large or small, he

[15:17] responds quickly and works efficiently

[15:19] to resolve them with minimal disruption

[15:22] to our operations. His ability to

[15:24] troubleshoot under pressure while

[15:26] maintaining a calm and approachable

[15:27] demeanor has been in invaluable

[15:30] especially during moments of high stress

[15:32] when we rely heavily on technology to

[15:34] serve the public. Um just some of the

[15:37] comments I have is I've worked with him

[15:39] now for five years, six years and uh

[15:42] it's it's been a pleasure to work with

[15:44] him. He's he's always got a cheerful

[15:45] demeanor um within, you know, there's

[15:49] always times when people get frustrated

[15:50] and things like that, but he's he's very

[15:52] uh responsive. He does take care of the

[15:55] and works a lot of things. He helps

[15:56] support all the full-time staff um as

[16:00] well as the city council members um on

[16:02] the day-to-day stuff. And uh he does 95%

[16:06] of that work. And uh it's it's I

[16:09] appreciate it from my perspective

[16:11] because it means I don't have to do it,

[16:14] you know. Um [snorts] but uh I'd like to

[16:17] have him come up here now and say, you

[16:19] know, kind of recognize him because he's been a a great uh help for the city

[16:24] and and stuff. So thank you, Brian.

[16:27] [laughter]

[16:27] >> Yeah. No, I I appreciate it. I'm glad to be here and it's exciting. So

[16:33] yeah, [laughter]

[16:34] >> Brian, I want to introduce you to Stacy

[16:36] Beckham.

[16:37] >> Hello.

[16:38] >> He could use your help on occasion.

[16:40] >> Okay, there's [laughter]

[16:41] >> specifically today. Yeah,

[16:43] >> I've probably overused Brian. Uh we

[16:46] started from the beginning like a

[16:48] computer and like, "All right, how do I

[16:50] turn it on, Brian?" And he's like,

[16:51] "Really? This is our mayor." And but

[16:54] >> Exactly. Yeah. See you all the time. So

[16:57] [laughter]

[16:59] » there you go. Messaging him all. Isn't

[17:01] there like IT uh client privilege that

[17:04] you keep that on the

[17:05] >> down? [laughter]

[17:07] >> So, I think we all know Brian's mom as

[17:10] well. Lisa is the one that brings all

[17:12] the Cub Scouts or all the scouts in to

[17:14] all of our council meetings. Every time

[17:16] you see a group of scouts

[17:18] >> in the room, it's usually Brian's mom

[17:20] that's got here.

[17:21] >> Okay.

[17:21] >> She is here all the time.

[17:24] >> Pretty cool.

[17:25] >> Couldn't talk her into coming tonight,

[17:26] but [laughter]

[17:29] next time. That's funny.

[17:31] >> Hilarious.

[17:32] >> It's probably a scout meeting. Probably

[17:33] scouts.

[17:35] [laughter]

[17:36] >> Well, Brian, you're you're a great

[17:38] employee. I know just like what was

[17:41] shared about other departments that you

[17:42] work [cough] with. That's that's a

[17:44] pretty high honor. That's pretty cool.

[17:46] Uh that's that's what we are in Spanish

[17:48] Fork Swiss Army knives. Everybody going

[17:50] and helping where and using the tools

[17:52] wherever they can to keep the city

[17:54] going. And you're one of those people.

[17:56] So, we appreciate you up here and the

[17:58] whole city does. So, thanks a lot.

[18:00] >> Yeah, perfect. Thank you.

[18:01] >> Yeah, I I love working with all the

[18:03] departments. It's kind of fun to see all

[18:05] the cogs and stuff that go on in the

[18:08] city and get to rub shoulders with, you

[18:11] know, everyone, the police and the

[18:12] finance and the library and stuff. It's

[18:15] >> So, yeah.

[18:16] >> Congratulations,

[18:17] >> Ryan. You're working on your cyber

[18:19] security master's degree. Is that right?

[18:21] >> I am getting a master's in cyber

[18:23] security right now. So, we're about

[18:25] halfway done.

[18:26] >> Nice. And your hair is different today

[18:28] than it was a few years ago.

[18:30] >> Uh yeah, I mean it changes frequently.

[18:32] So I usually I I'll grow it out to like

[18:36] my shoulders and then cut it all off

[18:37] real short and then Yeah,

[18:40] >> he was he he worked with John Boat.

[18:42] >> Exactly. So that [laughter]

[18:46] » got instruction. Yep. That's good.

[18:48] >> That's great.

[18:49] >> Well, thank you, Brian. Sure. Appreciate

[18:51] you, brother. Thank you. And good

[18:52] congratulations.

[18:55] Congrats.

[19:09] » It's got a tie. No,

[19:12] [clears throat]

[19:12] >> you go right in the middle, Brian. There

[19:14] you go.

[19:15] >> Perfect.

[19:17] >> Okay, Stacy, move around, Brian, because

[19:19] you're too tall.

[19:22] >> The other one, the short one.

[19:25] We'll see.

[19:35] » Okay, one more recognition before we uh

[19:37] move on to public comments here. And uh

[19:39] this is one that I'm going to have Seth

[19:42] introduce a little bit, but I do

[19:43] remember this incident and why [snorts]

[19:45] we're recognizing this individual. I I I

[19:48] think it was a good day. I was calling

[19:49] you for something and I thought and then

[19:52] Seth answered the phone. He's like with

[19:54] some different kind of voice. And I'm

[19:56] like, "All right, we're not talking

[19:57] about what I was calling about." And uh

[19:59] and it was uh quite the emergency in

[20:02] town that he was telling me about, but

[20:04] this person certainly does deserve some

[20:07] recognition for his handling and and uh it would be a it would be a bad

[20:12] disaster if if this got a lot worse. And

[20:15] uh I'll leave it at that. Seth, you can

[20:16] >> Yeah, thanks.

[20:17] >> More about it.

[20:17] >> Terry, if you'll come up. Terry Ficklin

[20:19] runs our our transfer station, the solid

[20:22] waste district that we have. And and

[20:24] honestly, this is as much a recognition

[20:25] of of

[20:28] really the whole department, right? And

[20:29] I think Terry would be like, "Hey, this

[20:30] is not about me."

[20:31] >> Yeah.

[20:32] >> Um but [clears throat] but uh yeah, on

[20:34] July 11th, I think it was, so almost a

[20:36] month ago.

[20:37] >> Yeah. Uh there was a fire at the

[20:40] transfer station and and I think you

[20:42] know that thing was built and and it's

[20:45] not uncommon to have fires in transfer

[20:46] stations because people bring in hot

[20:48] loads.

[20:50] >> Uh by that the term hot load means

[20:52] something's on fire

[20:54] >> um or close to being on fire and and uh

[20:58] things get mixed around and I think you

[21:00] could probably describe what happened.

[21:02] But uh what I what I thought was really

[21:04] amazing and you look at some of these

[21:05] pictures, Jack Urkart was there. In

[21:08] fact, uh we've asked Terry to

[21:11] >> check the um the video footage. We've

[21:13] [laughter] given him what Jack was

[21:15] driving. Uh we we were not sure that he

[21:19] has an alibi. Um but Jack actually

[21:23] happened to be there. These are not from

[21:24] Jack, but uh Jack saw these and was

[21:26] like, "Seth, I was there." Um,

[21:30] and and to be able to put this fire out,

[21:32] and I can detail some of that after

[21:34] maybe you speak, but probably most uh

[21:36] impressive to me was that we were

[21:40] receiving garbage again on Monday.

[21:43] >> And so maybe detail a little bit about

[21:44] what that took and and I can talk again

[21:46] to the fire side, but you probably want

[21:48] to talk about that too because you were

[21:49] there.

[21:49] >> The fire occurred exactly well. The

[21:52] alarm was 12 about 12:12, so it was just

[21:55] after lunch.

[21:56] >> Yeah, Jack was there. 12. And when the

[21:58] call out went and um

[22:01] it after reviewing the videos, it

[22:04] appears that um it was a flammable

[22:08] liquid that somebody thought they would

[22:10] bring to us and decided to set it on the

[22:13] floor rather than on the table of

[22:15] probably where it should have been,

[22:16] right? We wouldn't have had this

[22:18] problem. Um, and uh, we we recognized

[22:22] the liquid mainly because the way the

[22:24] fire works because he pushed it up to

[22:27] the top and it caught on fire and just

[22:30] kind of came down the whole volcano kind

[22:33] of a feeling. [clears throat]

[22:34] >> And so the crew, we we have reviewed the

[22:37] tapes, you know, we have lots of

[22:39] cameras, lots of angles, and they did

[22:42] follow procedure. We try to because it

[22:45] happens fairly often. Uh what we train

[22:48] them to do is to pull it down, circle

[22:50] it, isolate it, then we can get in on it

[22:53] and then and that's usually once a week.

[22:57] So it's not uncommon, but they're mainly

[22:59] smoke at that time and very seldom do we

[23:02] get a blaze. This wasn't that situation.

[23:05] This one caught fast. Everybody

[23:07] responded. Thank you to Spanish Fork for

[23:10] all the all the equipment they sent plus

[23:13] everything else and all the other cities

[23:16] from Provo all the way to Sanquin. So,

[23:20] we're called out. So, we're grateful for

[23:22] that. Um, but proud to say that the

[23:25] building did what it was designed to do.

[23:28] Um, the push wall protects the

[23:30] equipment. Um even after more than 4

[23:34] hours of burn in the building, we had

[23:37] minimal damage. Um we did have the

[23:40] sprinklers did go off. Uh about 620

[23:44] of them have had to been replaced in the

[23:46] last four weeks. That's now done. We're

[23:49] back now fully certified and operational

[23:51] in the full building. Um after the fire,

[23:55] we were able to open. Um, and because

[23:58] the building's large, we just moved down

[24:00] closer to A, B, C, and D. We just used

[24:02] that side and been using that up until

[24:04] two days ago when the fire marshall

[24:07] cleared us to have the entire building

[24:10] open. So, I have six light fixtures

[24:13] still coming is all I think that was

[24:16] more water damage than heat. We

[24:18] estimated the temperature up in that

[24:21] high ceiling was probably in the 400s.

[24:24] So, it wasn't enough to even for the

[24:26] most part burn the netting down. We just

[24:28] had netting in one hot spot that that

[24:31] was next to the push wall. But after I

[24:34] actually saw Seth at the conclusion when

[24:37] everything was just dripping at that

[24:40] point that um um yeah, we had a little

[24:43] bit of work to do the weekend. So, we

[24:45] did we worked all through the night,

[24:47] Saturday, all day Sunday and we were

[24:50] open for business Monday morning. So,

[24:52] that's what you and the smell of hot wet burnt garbage. I'll bet that

[24:58] smells. [laughter]

[25:00] » It is an experience.

[25:04] >> We were looking from the one of the go

[25:06] back a picture from one of those gates

[25:07] in the in the other image and looking in

[25:11] Terry said, "Oh, looks like we lost a

[25:14] couple of letters." You know, he's got

[25:15] the ABCD and I can't remember what

[25:16] letters are burned.

[25:17] >> Looks like VWX. I think

[25:20] >> like the only casualty that I could see

[25:22] was the letters. like of all the things

[25:24] that we lo that I thought we lost,

[25:26] that's it.

[25:27] >> Uh it was super impressive. Terry said

[25:29] to me as we were chatting uh in one of

[25:31] those bay doors that that afternoon, he

[25:33] said, "We built this thing to be

[25:34] bulletproof." And I said, "Well, I think

[25:36] it is bulletproof, but I think you built

[25:38] it to be fireproof." And and he really

[25:40] did a great job certainly in the

[25:42] construction. And my uh I think all of

[25:45] our our gratitude and praise to your

[25:47] crews because Saturday night and Sunday

[25:49] all day was not an easy shift.

[25:50] >> It wasn't. Yeah. But

[25:52] >> there's a lot of water

[25:53] >> that needed to be pushed out and

[25:55] directed and sweeping and

[25:57] >> so that's just part of what we do.

[26:00] >> Yeah.

[26:00] >> So, but thank you.

[26:02] >> So, maybe for the mayor and council's um

[26:05] understanding, we had crews respond from

[26:08] Provo, Lehi, American Fork, Springville,

[26:11] Mapleton, Woodland Hills, Elkridge, PAC,

[26:14] Utah County, Santa, and Oram. So with

[26:17] including us, that's 12

[26:19] >> uh 12 jurisdictions that participated in

[26:21] some way.

[26:22] >> And uh because of the length of the time

[26:25] of this firefight, we were cycling

[26:27] through people. Uh they would go in for

[26:29] a certain amount of time and and they

[26:31] get in under those intense

[26:34] circumstances, they get tired. And uh so

[26:36] we we actually just rotated people out

[26:39] and and you know, you tap them out and

[26:41] send them home and call in the next

[26:43] team, right? Uh, we sent a couple of

[26:45] people for observation. I think one

[26:46] individual from one of these

[26:48] jurisdictions that ended up at the

[26:49] hospital for an hour or so, but was home

[26:52] before I think he was home from the

[26:54] hospital before all of the crews left

[26:55] here. So, that's great. Uh, and had some heat exhaustion. I can't remember

[26:59] the temperature that day, but I feel

[27:01] like it was close to 100.

[27:02] >> It was over 100. So, it was 100 on the

[27:04] outside and

[27:06] >> 200 on the inside.

[27:07] >> In the inside, plus

[27:10] >> anyway, just a just an incredible

[27:11] effort. uh certainly by everybody, but

[27:14] especially by your people and and thank

[27:16] you. It's a great service to our

[27:18] community. We love that we we have this

[27:21] here. Um and you know, even Jack when he

[27:25] tries to start fires, he doesn't have to

[27:26] wait in line. Um it's a significant

[27:30] upgrade from what we used to have and we appreciate.

[27:34] >> Thank you. Thank you for your support.

[27:36] Again, Terry, it's not it's one of those

[27:38] things we've said before, but not too

[27:39] many cities say, "Yeah, let's put the

[27:41] transfer station in my city, but you

[27:43] you've made it a uh the correct decision

[27:46] for the city and for the district and so we appreciate you being such a

[27:51] good leader of that facility and and

[27:54] just running a a good facility in our

[27:56] city. It's Thank you, Mayor.

[27:57] >> It's a good place." So

[27:58] >> So,

[27:58] >> Terry, I got a question for you. So, you

[28:00] you've been in this business for a

[28:02] while.

[28:02] >> I have. What would a fire of this

[28:04] magnitude have looked like at the old

[28:06] transfer station?

[28:07] >> Oh, it would Yeah, it would have been a

[28:09] disaster. Total total disaster.

[28:12] >> So, um you know, we were lucky when we

[28:15] did have a fire over in Springville. It

[28:17] was on the outside because we had so

[28:19] much trash at that time. We were

[28:21] everything was more on the outside than

[28:23] the inside. They would only push it in

[28:25] when they could load it in the

[28:27] compactor. And so that was ablaze next

[28:29] to the truck stop. And um that was a

[28:34] much bigger fire than this this one was.

[28:38] But our challenge was visibility. We

[28:40] couldn't see where the fire was actually

[28:42] out until we could u remove the smoke.

[28:45] And so once the smoke was gone, within

[28:47] 30 minutes the fire was out. So we

[28:50] learned some lessons. That's what you're

[28:51] supposed to do. We've talked about some changes that um that we're going to

[28:57] look at. Some things worked that were

[28:59] supposed to. some things didn't work the

[29:01] way they were supposed to, but uh so

[29:04] we've learned lessons. We've now had

[29:07] training to all of the employees since

[29:09] then, so we can continue to improve. So,

[29:12] and we'll do so.

[29:14] >> Well done.

[29:14] >> So, we'll handle.

[29:15] >> Thank you.

[29:16] >> Well, with no interruption of a super

[29:18] important service for all of us and all

[29:20] the residents, uh it's well worth of a

[29:22] round of applause for Terry. So, please

[29:24] join me in doing that.

[29:33] Pete's not going to let you get out of

[29:34] here.

[29:35] >> He's so close. I thought you were going

[29:36] to sprint. [laughter]

[29:44] » Yeah. In addition to this, Terry is a

[29:46] beloved Salem resident. He's

[29:48] participating in the Salem Day

[29:49] celebration right now and

[29:52] >> does a lot for that community. The boat

[29:55] riata

[30:01] Thanks, Terry.

[30:02] >> Maybe one more one more thing about

[30:04] Jack. Today we had a fire in Today we

[30:07] had a fire just outside the library. Um,

[30:11] somebody put a cigarette in the garbage

[30:14] can and we checked the tape and it

[30:17] wasn't Jack. So, [laughter]

[30:19] >> off the

[30:20] >> But you're being serious. That happened,

[30:21] didn't it?

[30:22] >> Yeah. Scott the librarian um was on his

[30:27] phone with 911

[30:29] and the can's on fire, right? It's just

[30:32] out here in the parking lot and 80 80

[30:35] South Main. Yes, the library. It's got

[30:38] the water going. It's in the garbage

[30:40] can. He was He's telling dispatch what

[30:42] to do and he's got this cookie tin. I

[30:44] don't know what where he got a cookie

[30:45] tin for but or from, but they filled it

[30:47] full of water, went outside, put it on

[30:49] the fire in the garbage can and put it

[30:51] out and the firefighters were really

[30:53] disappointed when they got there.

[30:54] [laughter]

[30:54] >> Come on. We wanted to put it out.

[30:57] [snorts]

[30:57] >> So, water.

[30:59] >> Scott the librarian is now Scott the

[31:00] firefighter. [laughter]

[31:01] >> Yeah, let's get him a tag.

[31:03] >> I'm sure he's going to ask for something

[31:04] tomorrow in our meeting, but it wasn't

[31:06] Jack. He was not here.

[31:08] >> He was at the station.

[31:10] >> Fair enough. Yep.

[31:11] >> He was walking.

[31:11] >> We don't know where he was. He was

[31:13] walking baby kid.

[31:14] >> Okay,

[31:15] >> it's that early.

[31:17] >> Thank you for those recognitions. Good

[31:19] people, good folks, and uh and we uh we

[31:22] appreciate highlighting uh every single

[31:24] one of them. Moves us on to item number

[31:26] four in our agenda, the public comment

[31:28] section. This is a section where anybody

[31:30] from the public could come address the

[31:31] mayor and council. Please keep it at

[31:33] three minutes. Jack is here, not at the

[31:38] uh he'll help us with the time if we can

[31:40] keep to it. Yes. Name, rank, and serial

[31:42] number.

[31:47] » Chad Aral, Spanish Fork citizen.

[31:51] >> I don't have serial number.

[31:52] >> Social Security's fine.

[31:54] >> Wait, wasn't it

[31:55] >> bank account and mother's maiden name?

[31:56] >> My card number. Yeah. [laughter]

[31:59] Um, first of all, I just want to say

[32:01] absolutely thank you for a celebration

[32:04] and not just to the council because I I

[32:06] know it takes the entire city to be a

[32:08] part of this and you know how I love the

[32:11] 24th and I was on a parade and had some

[32:15] fellow uh classmates on there and all

[32:17] every time a lot of them were Spanish

[32:19] fork citizens long time ago couldn't

[32:22] believe how many people come to this

[32:24] parade to see it and I like Spanish

[32:26] support. That's what we do. But thank

[32:28] you because I know your your efforts um

[32:32] takes a lot. Stacy, thanks for that.

[32:34] >> You're welcome. [snorts]

[32:36] >> Um celebration Arbor 250th. I've had the

[32:40] opportunity to graduate from high school

[32:42] in 1976.

[32:44] I will tell you that after a year and a

[32:46] half of celebrating, I was really tired

[32:48] of red, white, and blue because

[32:50] everything was red, white, and blue cups

[32:52] from the Dairy Queen and everything

[32:54] else. But by the time we'd reached the

[32:56] celebration, it had been going on for a

[32:57] year and a half. Lucky to be here at

[33:00] 202650

[33:03] 250th anniversary. I think about uh how

[33:07] proud I am to be an American. I wonder

[33:10] when that declaration of independence

[33:12] was sent to King George. He wouldn't

[33:14] read it. He wouldn't allow parliament to

[33:16] read it. And he hired the German Hessins

[33:19] to come to America and kill the

[33:21] patriots. Um, and that took place. And

[33:25] looking back, I wonder if maybe he would

[33:26] have read that. It wasn't a declaration

[33:28] of war. It was just declaring some

[33:31] grievances and asking us to be allowed

[33:34] to independently take care of ourselves

[33:37] as 30 col 13 colonies. Of course, later

[33:40] on we we know the story and how it ends

[33:42] becomes the United States of America.

[33:45] Um, [clears throat]

[33:48] I have a a gift here for each one of the

[33:51] council and I I don't want anybody else

[33:52] to be jealous, but I thought that maybe

[33:55] because it's the 250th anniversary, uh,

[33:58] you you guys deserved something just to

[34:01] show that you served. Um, I have a mint

[34:04] set from United States Mint. Uh, it is

[34:07] from the Delaware and the Philadelphia

[34:09] Mint. One unique thing about this is you

[34:12] know that the the penny went away in

[34:14] 2025, but in 2026 they put it in the

[34:18] mint sets and the proof sets. That

[34:20] penny's been selling for $325.

[34:23] I'm pretty sure the mayor would say

[34:25] that's a pretty good investment. So

[34:27] anyway, uh I just I wanted to do this.

[34:29] I've been excited about coming this

[34:31] because I've had these sets for a while,

[34:33] but every time you guys scheduled

[34:35] council meeting, I had something else

[34:36] scheduled. So, if I may approach,

[34:39] please.

[34:40] >> Yeah, please. Gifts.

[34:41] >> No

[34:42] >> gifts.

[34:43] >> Stay away.

[34:44] >> I think that's funny that every time you

[34:46] scheduled a meeting, as if he didn't

[34:47] know this guy. [laughter]

[34:50] » And if he's not and if he's not retired,

[34:52] like what's he doing?

[34:54] >> He's driving [snorts] through

[34:55] roundabouts and

[34:58] years old.

[35:04] » Open it.

[35:05] >> You open it.

[35:07] I don't think I'll make it to the next

[35:09] 50 years because that's a long time

[35:11] away. But um something to remember that

[35:14] you know I was here during the 250th

[35:17] anniversary.

[35:18] >> Thank you. That is service.

[35:20] >> Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that.

[35:24] >> You're not supposed to open them.

[35:25] >> Yes, I am. Everybody wants to see them.

[35:28] >> Oh, [snorts] don't open them.

[35:29] >> Too late [laughter]

[35:32] >> now. Did it just

[35:34] >> She's She's She's going straight to

[35:36] Wendover with them.

[35:37] >> Kills me. [laughter]

[35:39] >> Oh, so yeah, it has a penny. Has a sack

[35:43] dollar. Has has a penny has a sack

[35:46] dollars. They made five quarters for the

[35:49] celebration.

[35:50] >> Oh, now you want to see it.

[35:51] >> Um, [laughter] every one of them, the

[35:52] dime, the penny. The only thing they

[35:54] didn't change too much was the nickel,

[35:56] but every one of them has 250 on it. So,

[35:59] >> that's pretty cool.

[36:00] >> Wow. So you I shouldn't spend these. I

[36:02] should keep them.

[36:02] >> Don't spend.

[36:03] >> No. Open them up.

[36:05] >> Can I have [laughter] one?

[36:05] >> Let's do Yeah. Keep safe.

[36:08] >> Thank you, Chad. That super nice.

[36:10] >> Thank you.

[36:12] >> Very cool.

[36:13] >> That is very cool.

[36:15] >> Okay. Anybody else for public comment?

[36:19] [clears throat]

[36:21] >> You don't have to bring gifts for public

[36:22] comment,

[36:23] >> but they're appreciated. [laughter]

[36:24] >> I appreciate that because

[36:26] empty pockets. Uh Alan Westman, uh

[36:29] private citizen. Uh I have three shout

[36:32] outs uh to make and then just one

[36:35] speaking to an upcoming agenda item.

[36:38] I'll try to be quick. Um first off, I am

[36:42] a regular user of the Popular Lane trail

[36:44] head and really appreciate the folks who

[36:47] uh take care of the restrooms there,

[36:49] keep them clean. They're all they're

[36:50] almost always in good order and m

[36:52] maintained and really appreciate that.

[36:54] It means a lot. So thank you. I think

[36:56] parks and record I think is who deserves

[36:59] that. Um

[37:00] >> that's Carrie.

[37:01] >> Second thing is uh rodeo. I I have

[37:04] longtime Spanish fork resident but first

[37:06] time attending the rodeo this year. Um

[37:10] and I know that raises some eyebrows but

[37:11] I'll admit it. Uh anyways it was a

[37:14] wonderful experience. Uh very much

[37:17] enjoyed it and so kudos to all those who

[37:19] took part in putting that on. um uh also

[37:24] recently attended for the first time one

[37:25] of the chamber of commerce networking

[37:27] business networking events and that was

[37:29] well organized and so forth and so just

[37:31] again a shout out generally to the

[37:33] Spanish Fork Salem Chamber of Commerce

[37:36] and then finally um speaking to an

[37:39] upcoming agenda item for this meeting is

[37:41] I know that there's talk about data

[37:43] centers and so forth and data centers

[37:45] are a very politically charged topic

[37:47] right now I am a software engineer by

[37:49] profession I uh we rely on distributed

[37:54] computing that that happens in data

[37:56] centers and so forth. Um

[38:00] uh when I think about data centers

[38:03] companies that want to bring a data

[38:04] center to our area here are the the

[38:08] general kinds of questions that I'm

[38:10] looking to ask. First off is and I just

[38:12] I share this because I I expect that you

[38:15] also have the same kind of questions but

[38:17] I want to express as a citizen what

[38:19] comes to my mind that is the company's

[38:22] credibility. Do they have are they

[38:24] transparent and and wholesome in their

[38:27] details? Do they have a good track

[38:28] record of building data centers in other

[38:30] communities and and operating them? What

[38:33] are the physics of of the claiming?

[38:36] doesn't make sense what they're claiming

[38:38] about energy in and the thermal energy,

[38:42] the heat coming out. It's transforming a

[38:44] bunch of electrons into useful

[38:45] computations, but also a bunch of waste

[38:47] heat. What's happening with that? Um,

[38:50] and then community impacts. What is the

[38:52] resource usage? What are what are the

[38:54] noise impacts? Any traffic? That kind of

[38:56] stuff. Those are my concerns. I

[38:59] recognize that data centers may be

[39:02] important but we have to be very

[39:04] cautious and careful in how we ask

[39:06] questions about that. Make sure we get

[39:07] good answers. Thank you.

[39:12] » Ask a thermodynamic question. Right.

[39:16] >> Definitely.

[39:17] >> Anyone else?

[39:21] » Okay. Hi, my name is Tara Parker and I'm

[39:24] a Spanish Fork resident and I'm here

[39:27] tonight um wearing two different hats.

[39:29] I'm a um board member for the Spanish

[39:32] Fork Community Theater and then I am

[39:34] also an advocate and community liaison

[39:37] for the Ruth the um former Hill Center

[39:40] theater orum. And I wanted to start by

[39:43] thanking Spanish Fork City um our parks

[39:46] and recck department and the people of

[39:48] Spanish Fork for helping us make our

[39:51] fiesta days production of the Prince of

[39:53] Egypt such a big success. Um, with more

[39:57] than 150 cast and crew members, which

[39:59] was our biggest yet, and record-breaking

[40:03] ticket sales, it's very clear that the

[40:05] arts are thriving and doing well in our

[40:07] community. Um, and then switching over

[40:10] to my Ruth hat. Um, many of you know

[40:13] that the Ruth recently, um, opened in

[40:16] Pleasant Grove and as a community

[40:18] advocate, I worked to strengthen

[40:20] connections, um, between the Ruth and

[40:22] our community and also provide the

[40:24] county with opportunities in the arts.

[40:26] Since opening, the Ruth has distributed

[40:29] um, thousands of complimentary ticket

[40:30] vouchers throughout Utah County,

[40:32] including right here in Spanish Fork.

[40:35] Um, we really enjoyed partner partnering

[40:37] with the city's Easter egg hunt. Um,

[40:40] working with arts council and our local

[40:42] schools and many of our local businesses

[40:44] like the dance studios and places like

[40:47] that. Um, [clears throat] in addition to

[40:49] our worldclass productions, we also

[40:52] offer or the Ruth also offers performing

[40:54] arts classes and um, community uh,

[40:58] programs. So, on behalf of the Ruth and

[41:02] um our new city spotlight initiative,

[41:04] we'd like to invite city council to come

[41:07] to either um Scarlett Pimpernel or Pride

[41:11] and Prejudice and experience the

[41:13] beautiful new theater and I'll send out

[41:16] um the ticketing information and details

[41:18] via the council email. And um our city's

[41:22] spotlight week is August 17th through

[41:25] 22nd. And I gave um Jack a graphic. Oh,

[41:29] there it is. A graphic um and a ticket

[41:33] code that we can share with all of our

[41:34] residents so they can come and

[41:36] experience it. I know we have a lot of

[41:38] crossover. Some of our SFCT actors have

[41:41] gone on to be in productions there as

[41:44] well. So, I just want to say thank you

[41:46] so much for all you do for the arts in

[41:47] our community and and listening to all

[41:50] these stories tonight. I'm pretty happy

[41:52] to be a resident here, too. So, thank

[41:54] you.

[41:55] >> Thank you, Sarah. Tara, I went and saw

[41:57] the scar at Pippernill last Wednesday.

[41:59] [snorts] It was absolutely phenomenal.

[42:02] >> Oh, good.

[42:03] >> And I went to lunch with someone that

[42:04] lives in Pleasant Grove today and I told

[42:07] her, "Oh, I was just over at the Rouge."

[42:08] She goes, "What's the Ruth?" I'm like,

[42:10] "You passed it to drive here. You live

[42:11] in Pleasant Grove. What is it?" So, I

[42:14] think it's very good that you're out

[42:15] advocating and it's we're so lucky to

[42:17] have something so close to us. so

[42:19] incredible and beautiful inside and I

[42:21] highly encourage if you haven't been

[42:23] there, take advantage of this discount

[42:25] and go check it out. The acting is so

[42:28] well done.

[42:29] >> Good. Good. I'm so glad you enjoyed it.

[42:31] Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

[42:33] >> The Ruth The Ruth is awesome. That is

[42:35] awesome.

[42:35] >> It is. I'm a fan.

[42:37] >> Yeah. My wife and I had had recently

[42:39] watched um the the play Oh boy. If I was

[42:45] a rich man, Fiddler on the Roof. We

[42:47] watched it at another place and it was

[42:48] great. And then we watched it at the

[42:50] Ruth and it was incredible. I mean, this

[42:52] was what, six months ago, I think, that

[42:54] we watched, but it was like they had a

[42:56] little bit of a spin on it that we

[42:57] hadn't seen before and it was fantastic.

[43:00] And and we watched we've watched a

[43:01] couple plays there as well and are

[43:03] planning on going to Pride and Prejudice

[43:05] and are super excited.

[43:06] >> Awesome.

[43:07] >> I wonder if Mr. Darcy will actually get

[43:09] married this time. I don't know. I'm

[43:11] >> It's a cliffhanger. We'll see.

[43:13] [laughter]

[43:14] >> Yeah. Great job. It's a great theater.

[43:16] >> Thank you. I'll pass that along to them.

[43:18] I appreciate it.

[43:19] >> Thanks very

[43:21] coming.

[43:23] Anyone else for public comment?

[43:28] Okay, seeing none, uh we'll go to

[43:30] council comments. Uh been a minute since

[43:32] we did this. I don't what you were here

[43:34] at the last meeting. Which way did you

[43:35] go? We don't want to go the same way.

[43:37] >> She just randomly called out her name.

[43:39] >> Oh, she doesn't know.

[43:40] >> Yell at us. It's fine.

[43:41] >> Councilman Tokyo. All right. We start on

[43:43] that end and head down this way.

[43:45] >> Sure.

[43:45] >> Okay. All right. Councilman Tuk.

[43:47] >> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Got a couple

[43:48] items, but I'll move quickly so we all

[43:50] have some time here this evening. But

[43:52] good evening, Spanish Fork. It's great

[43:53] to be back. It's been a minute. So,

[43:56] couple things. First off, the public

[43:57] works uh building design committee that

[44:00] I'm able to serve on is moving forward.

[44:02] It's fun to see that come together. Our

[44:04] public works uh division is in in dire

[44:07] need of uh a facility that brings them

[44:10] all together and better serves our

[44:11] community. So, just to give you a quick

[44:13] update that's looking great and

[44:15] exciting. Um, more to come. Also, uh, we

[44:19] had a fun and I'll kind of bounce around

[44:21] a little bit uh, with a couple

[44:23] announcements, but the Chamber of

[44:24] Commerce had a really fun uh, couple

[44:27] ribbon cutings, grand openings. One of

[44:29] them that stuck out to me was, and I

[44:31] might have a picture um, and Jack. Oh,

[44:33] good. Uh, so this was Blue Unicorn.

[44:36] They're uh, located by Coin Craze. if

[44:37] you know what part of the city I'm

[44:38] talking about back behind Target a

[44:40] little bit there. Wendy's. Um, Blue

[44:42] Unicorn, they uh they're kind of a fun

[44:45] protein puff bar. Anyway, they had an

[44:48] amazing grand opening. Uh they had a

[44:51] unicorn and they had what? Alpacas,

[44:53] llamas. They had all sorts of fun

[44:55] things. Uh but it was an amazing new

[44:57] business ad to our community. And it's

[45:00] exciting to see things like this come to

[45:01] Spanish Fork because I want to be here a

[45:04] part of our community and experience the goodness that we have all been

[45:08] talking about this evening. So that was

[45:09] one that stuck out to me. And then also

[45:12] uh just an update. It's been a minute

[45:14] since we had the Miss Utah pageant, but

[45:16] we have so much representation from

[45:18] Spanish Fork. So these are all uh these

[45:20] gals are all former Miss Spanish Forks

[45:22] that have competed and just competed in

[45:25] uh Miss Utah. You've got a couple to

[45:26] name a few. You've got Cali Maguire

[45:28] there um in a picture, Hope King. Hope

[45:31] actually at Miss Utah came in first

[45:33] runner up. And if you don't know much

[45:34] about Miss Utah, that's an exceptional

[45:36] accomplishment. Uh so, and she's

[45:39] actually won another title just last

[45:41] weekend to go back and compete again at

[45:43] Miss Utah next year. You can tell I get

[45:45] a little excited about these things

[45:46] because my sister was in this and I got

[45:47] involved decades ago. But uh anyway, fun

[45:50] to see Spanish represented on the state

[45:53] stage and and hope will actually go to

[45:55] the national, it's called the

[45:56] Sweethearts pageantss for all the first

[45:58] runner-ups at the state level and so

[46:00] she'll compete and represent um our

[46:01] state and and kind of Spanish Fork too

[46:04] on that national stage. Just super

[46:06] exciting. So, so fun things happening

[46:08] with the Miss Spanish Fork organization.

[46:10] Um

[46:12] went to a really great uh new business

[46:15] opening as well with Councilman Oiler.

[46:16] Uh, I'll let him talk a little more

[46:17] about it, but it was for Wheeler

[46:18] Machinery. It's been a little while, but

[46:20] that was incredible. I don't have any

[46:22] pictures. I think you may. I hope so. At

[46:24] least I didn't grab any, but uh the the

[46:27] most amazing new business I've seen

[46:29] added to our community since I've served

[46:30] on council. Absolutely. Um,

[46:33] mind-blowing. So, I'll give some time to

[46:35] you to do that if you want. Uh, I won't

[46:37] say much about Fiesta Days because

[46:39] others I will, especially Councilwoman

[46:42] Beck, but just uh one or two highlights

[46:44] from me. Uh absolutely loved the the

[46:46] Hall of Fame uh event that kicked off

[46:48] Fiesta Days. I thought the car show was

[46:50] phenomenal. So many new entries, so much

[46:53] such a larger production than it had

[46:55] been in years past. That was fun to see.

[46:57] And then my favorite event is uh on the

[47:00] last day, which is the Mr. and Mrs.

[47:01] Extraordinary Pageant, which I was able

[47:03] to judge and just uh touches my heart

[47:06] every year more and more. It's it's

[47:07] amazing that how that's come and grown

[47:09] and become a big part of Fiesta Days.

[47:11] Um, and even at the very end of

[47:13] yesterday's too, council Oiler and I,

[47:15] Councilman Oiler, we we had a class

[47:17] reunion uh that we able to somehow put

[47:20] together. It was we were exhausted, but

[47:21] we we survived it. So, that was kind of

[47:23] fun. Um,

[47:25] >> was that the same as Chad's?

[47:26] >> That was Yeah. 76. Yeah.

[47:29] >> Close.

[47:30] >> Just curious.

[47:32] >> Yeah.

[47:32] >> Feels the same to me.

[47:33] >> It was 30 years after your class.

[47:35] [laughter]

[47:38] Um, another fun Chamber of Commerce uh

[47:41] announcement. We had the Bank of Utah

[47:42] ribbon cutting. They're over there kind

[47:44] of by Popeye's Chicken. Great great new

[47:47] ad to the community. And um and I'm sure

[47:51] others will mention this as well too. Uh

[47:53] happy and sad, more happy than sad to

[47:55] see uh Dell Robinson, our director of um

[47:58] parks and recreation retire, but we have

[48:00] Bronco now and excited to hear from him

[48:02] and and watch him grow in the role.

[48:04] definitely loved working with Dale and

[48:07] wish him all the best. Um, one last

[48:10] thing here I just wanted to share. Our

[48:12] president of the Chamber of Commerce,

[48:14] she could not be with us this evening,

[48:15] but she'd had three things she wanted me

[48:17] to quickly relay to the city and the

[48:19] council. So, I just like to share these

[48:20] with you all. So, tomorrow, August 5th,

[48:22] at noon, uh the chamber community is

[48:25] celebrating Hillrest Bank's uh rebrand

[48:28] to Vista Bank. So, we're going Hillrest

[48:31] Bank to Vista Bank. And I went to a a

[48:34] meeting earlier this morning that talked

[48:36] about what that's going to look like and

[48:37] there'll be swig drinks there and all

[48:40] sorts of fun things. Anyway, if you'd

[48:41] like to come by, uh we'd love you're

[48:43] invited. So, tomorrow at noon, um Vista

[48:46] Bank. Uh and then also, uh the farmers

[48:50] market kicked off last Saturday just

[48:52] outside here in the parking lot just

[48:54] west of the our buildings where we're

[48:56] at. And uh you know, if this is

[48:58] something you haven't experienced yet in

[49:00] Spanish Fork, please do it. It's amazing

[49:02] the farmers and those vendors who show

[49:04] up and what they sell and what they

[49:05] produce. Uh absolutely incredible. So

[49:08] that was our first event and uh you know

[49:11] just right there in the Spanish works

[49:12] parking lot. It'll be every Saturday

[49:14] 8:00 a.m. to 1:00 p.m. uh through the

[49:17] end of October. So so please come see

[49:20] us. I I promise it will impress you.

[49:23] It's amazing. They sell everything. Um

[49:25] it's it's incredible. Uh and then just

[49:27] one last message from the Chamber of

[49:28] Commerce to the city uh particularly

[49:30] city council. They wanted me to let you

[49:32] know that we they say we collectively

[49:34] and are so grateful for the city uh and

[49:37] the city staff too, sorry, for allowing

[49:38] us to use the space for the farmers

[49:41] market. Um we deeply appreciate it and

[49:43] are excited to share the delicious hard

[49:46] works of the community. And again,

[49:47] that's all those farmers and um yeah,

[49:51] producers of amazing things that we can

[49:53] showcase for our city.

[49:55] It's a mouthful. That's all I've got.

[49:58] >> Sorry, that's starting in August, right?

[50:00] the farmers market.

[50:01] >> Started last Saturday.

[50:01] >> Last Saturday.

[50:02] >> Oh, so it's already going

[50:03] >> first one. And yeah, and then we're every Saturday now until the end

[50:06] of October.

[50:06] >> They tour the the carnival down and put

[50:09] the put the thing up.

[50:11] >> Yeah. Yeah, they were down and cool.

[50:13] >> One thing after next. Yeah,

[50:14] >> we're good.

[50:15] >> Landon Vista Bank. Is it at 11 or 12?

[50:18] For some reason, I have down 11.

[50:20] >> 11. Uh, let me confirm

[50:23] said 12, but I'll double check and

[50:25] >> All right. I can double check with her,

[50:26] too.

[50:27] Yeah, give an update if so.

[50:29] >> Be there at 11. Get some refreshments.

[50:31] >> Get a swig.

[50:32] >> Yeah, get a swig. Starts at 12.

[50:36] >> Very good. Thank you, Councilman Tuk.

[50:38] Appreciate that. Councilman Carden,

[50:40] thank you, Mayor. Um, I'll only talk

[50:43] about a few things from yesterday's as

[50:45] well. Um, the first was the Pyro

[50:47] Musical. What a such a cool event that

[50:49] started out from citizens just kind of

[50:51] putting it together. Um, but I have to

[50:54] say that the start of the fireworks,

[50:57] specifically the music selection, was

[50:59] phenomenal. Wouldn't you agree, Seth?

[51:02] >> It was incredible.

[51:03] >> Yeah. Good. Okay. Just making sure

[51:06] you're on the same page.

[51:08] Okay. Um, with that, um, the other thing

[51:10] that I wanted to talk about is The

[51:12] Prince of Egypt. Prince of Egypt was

[51:14] phenomenal. If you didn't get to see it,

[51:16] I am sorry for you. What a cool cast.

[51:18] What Thank you for talking about it, um,

[51:20] being a part of it. Um, as I served on

[51:22] the arts council, they they were talking

[51:24] about they were talking it up and I

[51:25] didn't think it was going to live up to

[51:27] the hype, but it did and it surpassed

[51:29] it. Um, just as an FYI, next year

[51:32] they'll be doing Finding Nemo, so

[51:34] something a little bit more kids. It's

[51:35] actually a shorter version. Um, and

[51:37] it'll be really fun to see that happen.

[51:41] Um, thank you to all the staff that make

[51:43] Fiesta Days happen. Um, I think there's

[51:46] a lot of volunteers that go into that

[51:47] and thank thank you to them as well. But

[51:49] our staff um I think our police

[51:52] department, they didn't look exhausted.

[51:54] They looked past exhausted. So, I don't

[51:55] know the word for it, but they were

[51:57] there by the end. But thank you to

[52:00] everyone because I know it's not just

[52:01] the police officers, our finance team is

[52:03] doing things, our parks and wreck, our

[52:05] public works, everybody is involved in

[52:08] making things happen. So, thank you.

[52:10] Also, we've received a lot of emails

[52:11] recently of praises or even text

[52:14] messages of praises for the city. And

[52:15] so, I just wanted to mention a few of

[52:16] them. Um, I received a picture of the

[52:18] Sierra Park um from a landscaper in town

[52:21] and he said, "Rarely do you see cities

[52:24] that have crisp lines and no weeds in

[52:28] their big fields." So, that was awesome.

[52:31] We received an email of somebody who

[52:34] unfortunately had to plan a funeral

[52:36] talking about how awesome our staff was

[52:38] at the cemetery and making them feel

[52:40] heard and seen. Um, I received a thank

[52:43] you from someone talking about the Fit

[52:46] City Center, talking about how awesome

[52:48] it is that they have moved the

[52:50] treadmills to the hallway and opened up

[52:52] that space because they felt like they

[52:53] could work out a little bit more.

[52:54] >> And then there was a thank you to our

[52:56] city planner saying, "Thank you for

[52:58] planning such a good city." I know that

[53:00] some of that's happened before you,

[53:01] Dave, but I thought that was an awesome

[53:03] thing and something to to shout out. So,

[53:05] um,

[53:06] >> did you just say something? It happened

[53:07] before him.

[53:08] >> He's been here 20 years. 60. I'm just

[53:11] kidding. No,

[53:13] >> you know what I meant.

[53:15] >> Thanks, Shane. Um, [laughter]

[53:17] but with that, just we we have the best

[53:20] staff in in the state for sure. Um,

[53:23] thank you from from Seth to everyone in

[53:26] all that you do because it doesn't go

[53:28] unnoticed. Thank you for what you do.

[53:29] That's all I got, Mayor.

[53:31] >> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Carden.

[53:32] Councilman Oiler.

[53:34] >> Thank you, Mayor. got a few board

[53:36] meetings coming up this weekend next and

[53:38] so I'll report back on those at our our

[53:41] next council meeting. Uh Councilman Tuk

[53:44] mentioned the Wheeler ribbon cutting

[53:46] which was excellent. Uh it felt like

[53:48] that was a long time ago which it it

[53:51] kind of was. It was back in June. So I

[53:52] did do a report on that in our last

[53:54] council meeting which you were you were

[53:55] out of town for. So but yeah that was a

[53:58] great great ribbon cutting great

[54:00] business to have in town. Um, just

[54:03] echoing Fiesta Days and everybody that

[54:05] participated in that, everybody that

[54:08] worked and helped make all of those

[54:09] events take place. Councilwoman Beck,

[54:12] you do an amazing job every year on that

[54:15] committee putting together the right

[54:16] volunteers, the right amount of people,

[54:18] and I'm sure you'll you'll speak to

[54:20] that. Just want to mention as well just

[54:22] the gratitude towards our police

[54:24] department for the work that they put in

[54:26] that week. I walk with my family from my

[54:30] house over to the Pyro Musical and

[54:31] there's a police officer working making

[54:34] sure people don't go where they're not

[54:36] supposed to go. Um, I'm getting ready

[54:40] for the parade and I see police officers

[54:42] putting barriers out in the road to make

[54:45] sure that cars don't go where they're

[54:46] not supposed to go. I'm going to the

[54:50] rodeo and there's officers in the middle

[54:53] of the street making sure people can get

[54:55] back and forth safely. So, all of these

[54:58] things that I'm able to go and do and

[55:00] enjoy as a family and I recognize that

[55:03] there are officers that are having to

[55:05] work while we're all out enjoying those

[55:08] things. And so, we recognize the

[55:10] sacrifices that our officers make during

[55:12] that week as they, as Councilman Carden

[55:15] mentioned, they they put in a lot of

[55:16] hours. And so, Chief, thank you. If you

[55:19] could thank your staff for us as well.

[55:21] We recognize them and are grateful for

[55:23] what they do. Um,

[55:26] couple other things just quickly, and I

[55:28] don't expect answers to these tonight

[55:31] from staff, but there have been a couple

[55:33] of items that have that we've received

[55:35] emails on and that have floated around

[55:37] with uh residents that have concerns or

[55:40] questions, things that they are likely

[55:43] hoping to get addressed in one way or

[55:45] another. Again, no no need to respond to

[55:48] this tonight, but maybe that we can add

[55:50] this to future discussion. One of them

[55:53] we've discussed a little bit with parks

[55:55] and wreck department, and that's the the outdoor pool, the hours at the

[56:00] outdoor pool. Um

[56:02] families requesting, individuals

[56:05] requesting that more nights be made

[56:07] available. So I know just want the

[56:09] residents that are watching to know that

[56:11] we have discussed that. We are looking

[56:14] at ideas trying to improve that. Um make

[56:17] that better for the entire community. So

[56:19] that's not something that's being

[56:21] ignored. I can tell you right now that

[56:22] our our staff at the Fit City Center and

[56:25] our parks and reccks department are very

[56:27] aware of that and and looking for ways

[56:29] to to make possible changes there. Um,

[56:33] another update that I I would like to

[56:35] get at some point, I know we've received

[56:38] questions and concerns about the back

[56:40] parking lot at the city center and the

[56:42] noise, especially during the summertime

[56:44] that takes place back there. Some of the

[56:46] residents that have concerns, we have

[56:48] put in place some changes with cameras and other

[56:53] things. I'd be curious to know just how

[56:56] what the results are from that, any

[56:58] successes, um improvements that have occurred over the over the

[57:04] last few months as we've discussed those

[57:06] issues as well. So, those are the two items that come to mind that I'd

[57:10] love to have future discussions on.

[57:13] Outside of that, I think that's all I

[57:15] have to

[57:16] >> Perfect. Thank you, Councilman Oiler.

[57:18] Appreciate that. Councilwoman Beck,

[57:22] >> I love hearing everyone's perspective

[57:24] about Fiesta Days and I don't want to

[57:25] monopolize that by any means. So, thank

[57:27] you. It's It's fun to hear everyone's

[57:30] different version and vision of what it

[57:33] should be and I have this was my 11th

[57:37] fiesta days overseeing it as a council

[57:39] member and I've got to say it just gets

[57:42] better and better. I think the kinks are

[57:44] just getting ironed out every year and

[57:47] they're figuring out just how to get it

[57:49] to our residents more seamlessly. And

[57:51] this year I didn't feel like there were

[57:54] many hiccups. Um, we have a group text.

[57:57] Bronco and I are both on that with our

[57:59] committee. And we have an an exceptional

[58:03] executive committee that volunteers.

[58:05] They're at every single event and their

[58:08] vision of what they wanted to see happen

[58:10] was executed so well. And I'm [snorts]

[58:13] just proud of everyone, the employees. I

[58:15] know you guys have talked a lot about

[58:17] our police department, our city

[58:19] employees as a as a whole, especially

[58:21] our parks and recck department. than all

[58:22] of the volunteers, youth, city council,

[58:25] Miss Spanish Fork, just so many people.

[58:28] Um, this I never have, well, maybe once.

[58:32] I have never been able to make it to the

[58:35] community theater because it's such a

[58:38] busy time and I'm exhausted by the end.

[58:40] And I kept hearing about the Prince of

[58:42] Egypt, the Prince of Egypt, you've got

[58:43] to go. You've got to go. And so on

[58:45] Saturday, I finally went and I was so

[58:47] glad I went. It was phenomenal.

[58:50] Yeah, it was really good. So, I think

[58:52] going to that was a highlight. Also, the

[58:55] car show, um, biggest car show yet. We

[58:58] had 224 cars ended up registering, so

[59:02] that was a really big show. Great cars.

[59:06] Super fun. I I liked that it was also

[59:09] the 25th of July. It just

[59:12] >> like gave you room to do that day. And I

[59:15] didn't have to be down there at noon or

[59:16] 1. I could go at 9:00 a.m. when it was a

[59:18] little cooler. So, just lots of fabulous

[59:20] things. So, thank you everybody for

[59:22] participating and and we will be having

[59:24] our debrief meeting in a couple weeks

[59:26] and figure out what what didn't work and

[59:28] what can we do better next year. So,

[59:30] thanks again.

[59:32] >> Beautiful.

[59:33] >> Oh, I wanted to add on with the Chamber

[59:35] of Commerce, Jesse and I was able to go

[59:37] to business of the month on Friday

[59:39] afternoon. It was at Squad Cabin. Squad

[59:42] Cabin is next to the smaller Walmart on

[59:44] the east side of town, a little closer

[59:46] to Jesse and I's house. Jesse had eaten

[59:48] there before. I hadn't. I just thought

[59:50] we're going to run in and do a quick

[59:51] little business of the month. But they

[59:53] fed everyone lunch, so we spent an hour

[59:55] there. That food is phenomenal. It's

[59:59] Indian and Indo-Chinese cuisine.

[1:00:04] Every single thing we ate was fabulous.

[1:00:06] Right. Highly recommend it. They do

[1:00:08] takeout, dining in, great service,

[1:00:11] delicious food. If you haven't tried it,

[1:00:14] give it a try. That's all.

[1:00:16] >> And business of the month.

[1:00:17] >> Yep. Business of the month.

[1:00:18] >> All right. Cool. Thank you, Councilwoman

[1:00:20] Beck. Councilman Marshall,

[1:00:21] >> it's fun to go last.

[1:00:23] >> Yes.

[1:00:23] >> Um ditto everything said. Um yesterday's

[1:00:27] was amazing. It always is. And and

[1:00:28] you're right, the the staff and the um

[1:00:31] just everywhere you turn there's this

[1:00:33] staff member just like put it in the

[1:00:35] time, right? Sweat running down their

[1:00:37] face, whatever it might be. Um you know,

[1:00:41] horse stuff on their boots, whatever it

[1:00:43] might be. Like they're there to to put

[1:00:46] the work in and do the job. And it's amazing every single year. And I

[1:00:49] think you're right, Stacy, it's gotten

[1:00:51] better and better every year. And it's

[1:00:52] because of the incredible community that

[1:00:54] we live in. Um, and it's, you know,

[1:00:57] every time we talk about an investment

[1:00:58] somewhere, we talk about the reason to

[1:01:00] invest is to bring the community

[1:01:01] together. And this is one of those times

[1:01:02] where it just feels right. Right. You're

[1:01:06] walking down your little main street.

[1:01:08] And when I was growing up, you could, we

[1:01:10] had a place in the park where we sat

[1:01:12] every single time. And you don't need to

[1:01:14] go there. You could get there five

[1:01:15] minutes before the park. and the

[1:01:16] Marshall space was there.

[1:01:19] You can't do that now, right? You're there the day before sweating,

[1:01:24] holding your place. Um Matt's group is

[1:01:27] like, "All right, guys. Don't leave your

[1:01:28] spot." Like, it's a it's a lot of it's a different community, but it's

[1:01:32] still small. It still feels small on

[1:01:34] that day or this last week. So, thank

[1:01:36] you very much for that. Thank you for

[1:01:37] the volunteers. Thank you for the city

[1:01:39] staff. Um, I can't imagine having to

[1:01:42] wear the garb that your group has to

[1:01:44] wear, chief. Like my my nephew is a is

[1:01:47] an officer over in Salem and he comes

[1:01:49] over and he he finished his shift and

[1:01:51] he's got his jacket on, his vest, and he

[1:01:54] pops that thing off and he's just

[1:01:55] dripping wet like, man, that is that is rough. Um, but thank you for

[1:02:00] them. Um, their presence makes a

[1:02:03] difference and it's you can feel it. You

[1:02:06] feel the comfort. Um, there are a lot of

[1:02:08] people around. So, I appreciate that.

[1:02:09] And just again, can't say more good

[1:02:12] things about the way staff handles that week. So, congratulations.

[1:02:15] >> Nice job.

[1:02:17] >> That's it. [snorts]

[1:02:18] >> That's it.

[1:02:18] >> Yeah.

[1:02:19] >> Okay. Perfect. Thank you.

[1:02:21] >> Thank you everybody. Uh, I won't try to

[1:02:24] uh piggyback too much on on what's been

[1:02:27] said except in reference of of what

[1:02:29] Councilman Carden said, the the opening

[1:02:32] of the the Pyro musical. if you weren't

[1:02:35] listening, that uh was a song um that I know well and that some people of

[1:02:42] my era know well. Bulls on Parade by

[1:02:45] Rage Against the Machine, part of the

[1:02:47] [snorts] Evil Empire album, uh comes out

[1:02:50] in 1996.

[1:02:52] And I'm getting a head nod back here.

[1:02:54] It's a fellow rocker back there. And um

[1:02:57] in 1996, I was 16 years old. Mayor Marie

[1:03:00] Huff was the mayor of this fine city and

[1:03:03] she came pulling into Alan Huff's

[1:03:06] driveway which was a relative and and my

[1:03:10] good friend and you know Allan and she

[1:03:12] asked what are you guys doing today and

[1:03:14] we both looked at each other don't say

[1:03:16] we're going to the concert come up with

[1:03:18] anything else but that's where we were

[1:03:20] going was to the concert and uh she

[1:03:23] probably knew it kind of because she

[1:03:24] said we ought to go to the concert it's

[1:03:26] going to be okay and um and it was Okay.

[1:03:29] September 11th, uh, 2026 is going to be

[1:03:33] 30 years. I'm leaving it up to Bronco to

[1:03:36] try to get the reunion tour put

[1:03:38] together. Um, it's going to be tough,

[1:03:41] but they're they're not a band anymore.

[1:03:44] But, uh, you know, part of that is, if

[1:03:46] you're listening to to what that is,

[1:03:49] that's a a an accident, a happy accident

[1:03:52] that happened in our city that it was like, you know, is now in the annals

[1:03:57] of history. Um, but I gauge what I do in

[1:04:01] government sometimes. And by the way, I

[1:04:03] think they were probably speaking ill of

[1:04:06] government. If you want to listen to

[1:04:08] Bulls on Parade, do it without kids. Uh, or or or, you know, get the edited

[1:04:15] track of it. But, um, I try to gauge

[1:04:18] things in in 16 years of service of not

[1:04:21] that long, 13 years of service of maybe

[1:04:24] don't rage against the machine. it. We we had a pretty uh pretty big

[1:04:30] concerns and worries when that incident

[1:04:33] happened here and what happened were a

[1:04:36] couple of tickets uh if I remember

[1:04:38] right, Chief. So, law enforcement again,

[1:04:41] it's already been said how good they uh

[1:04:44] are and have been, but they were great

[1:04:46] that day, too, to let a bunch of kids

[1:04:49] run around and run into each other and

[1:04:51] probably use a lot of, you know, rough

[1:04:53] language. And then they gave out two

[1:04:55] tickets and uh and the town didn't burn

[1:04:58] down. Like what was what was worried

[1:05:00] about? It was worried about looting

[1:05:02] burning down and what was going to

[1:05:04] happen. But this is a Southern

[1:05:06] California band that went all over the

[1:05:07] country and uh toured for years and is in the Rock and Roll Hall

[1:05:10] of Fame and they played in Spanish Fork.

[1:05:12] So it's actually pretty cool. Uh so

[1:05:15] anyway, it was cool to have that start

[1:05:16] out that uh that uh firework uh uh

[1:05:20] episode, the Pyro musical. And credit

[1:05:23] again to Mike Clayson of Pacific

[1:05:25] Horizon. He's been here already before,

[1:05:27] but they raise a ton of money to do

[1:05:28] that. So, it's pretty cool that

[1:05:30] businesses participate, make that

[1:05:32] happen, and everybody comes together to

[1:05:34] listen to some good music, but it

[1:05:36] started out with some really good music

[1:05:38] this year. So, very cool stuff. Um, the

[1:05:41] Grand Marshals, the Liyards were

[1:05:42] awesome. Um, the the social media team,

[1:05:46] Jack, your team of of releasing and

[1:05:48] keeping people updated. It sure felt

[1:05:50] fresh that if you you know didn't know

[1:05:52] what was going on, you should have

[1:05:54] known. Uh because we were telling you

[1:05:56] what was going on. So good uh good comms

[1:05:59] out to to everybody and and uh I thought

[1:06:01] everybody had a good time. The the rodeo

[1:06:03] was was awesome as it always is. Thank

[1:06:05] you everybody for for coming and and

[1:06:07] packing that house. And um many many

[1:06:11] contestants, many people come after the

[1:06:14] rodeo or during the rodeo to to Seth and

[1:06:16] I that get to sit in some of those uh

[1:06:18] different parts of it and let us know

[1:06:20] how much they appreciate uh the Fiesta

[1:06:23] Days rodeo and and the behind the scenes

[1:06:25] part of it too. the way we take care of

[1:06:28] families and contestants and those

[1:06:29] people that are traveling the road all

[1:06:31] summer to to try to win not a lot of

[1:06:34] money. Honestly, it's crazy if they're into that gig, but they are

[1:06:38] and they are for our entertainment.

[1:06:39] They're in it for the love, not to the

[1:06:41] Austin are going to do great, but they

[1:06:43] won't make it a lot of money at it. Um,

[1:06:45] but uh but it's fun to watch and and

[1:06:48] that was fun to be with everybody. Um,

[1:06:50] last thing I'll I'll have is I sent Jack

[1:06:52] some pictures of the county fair. The

[1:06:54] menden halls were intimately involved in

[1:06:56] the county fair this year because I've

[1:06:58] got a brother who won't let up of my

[1:07:01] nine-year-old Jagger uh having some

[1:07:03] culture in the agriculture sphere. And

[1:07:07] uh so this was her his first year

[1:07:09] competing in the uh pig uh showing

[1:07:12] stuff. Um Bronco Hunter knows about this

[1:07:17] as well. The whole Hunter family is a

[1:07:19] big name down there. But uh Jag took

[1:07:21] seventh in his class. Got a great That's

[1:07:24] a pig whip there, Shane. That's what

[1:07:26] that's called. A pig whip. You use it to

[1:07:28] whip pigs. And uh then an IFA gift card

[1:07:32] there.

[1:07:32] >> Tell you that. Is that how you knew?

[1:07:33] >> No, I watched it. I watched it happen.

[1:07:35] Who do you think taught him that? Uh

[1:07:37] that buckle's huge. Uh but uh so fun to

[1:07:41] watch the kids and and his cousins do

[1:07:43] this down at the county fair that

[1:07:45] happened right after Fiesta Days. And um

[1:07:48] again, I've said it before, but if you

[1:07:51] think agriculture or the the western way

[1:07:54] or farming is dying in uh Spanish Fork,

[1:07:57] you need to put down your phone and you

[1:07:59] need to go to a place like this and see

[1:08:01] how healthy it is. It is healthy. It's

[1:08:03] growing and it's an economic uh

[1:08:06] indicator as well. These businesses that

[1:08:09] support that. So cool to see all the

[1:08:11] banners up and kids from all over the

[1:08:14] state uh competing and um and my brother

[1:08:17] Tyler says it best. You're raising kids,

[1:08:19] not animals. I think Bronco would attest

[1:08:21] to that with his family, but it's sure

[1:08:24] fun to see these kids do their thing and

[1:08:26] congratulate each other. So, thank you

[1:08:28] to Utah County for your partnership

[1:08:30] during Fiesta Days and then with the

[1:08:32] county fair after. Um, we've already

[1:08:34] talked about it again, but a lot of

[1:08:36] investment, the public money going into

[1:08:38] that facility down there to make it an

[1:08:40] even better facility next year. I'm

[1:08:41] excited to see all that transpires down

[1:08:44] there uh going forward into the future.

[1:08:46] So, very cool stuff. Um,

[1:08:50] one last thing before uh we get on to

[1:08:52] too much and and she could have been

[1:08:54] part of this recognition parade that we

[1:08:56] just had here, but uh I I I I want to

[1:08:59] bring her up now and uh and and tell her

[1:09:02] thanks and give her a minute to address

[1:09:03] us uh as well. Um there's comes a time

[1:09:08] in in um in service that uh that you

[1:09:11] serve a term and and then you you do

[1:09:13] your thing and and move on. And this is

[1:09:15] kind of a person that we're like, man,

[1:09:17] we hope she never moves on. Um, but but

[1:09:20] it's it's it's her time to move on and we appreciate her service. Uh,

[1:09:24] David, is that something you'd like to

[1:09:27] take from here to recognize an outgoing

[1:09:30] commissioner?

[1:09:39] » I do need to save a little bit for

[1:09:40] tomorrow night,

[1:09:41] >> so I'll be pretty quick.

[1:09:43] >> Okay, good. Um Sean is going to be with

[1:09:45] us for one more planning commission

[1:09:47] meeting and uh she has been an absolute

[1:09:51] rock. Uh she's gone to trainings outside

[1:09:55] of the planning commission meetings. Um

[1:09:58] she learned very very early on in her

[1:10:01] service about how to contribute and how

[1:10:05] to engage in different discussions and

[1:10:06] that type of a thing. Um, and you know,

[1:10:10] that's probably how I would describe

[1:10:12] what she's done for the community as a

[1:10:14] planning commissioner. She has

[1:10:16] contributed that there have been some

[1:10:17] fairly weighty things that have been

[1:10:20] discussed over the course of past now

[1:10:22] more than six years while she served as

[1:10:25] a planning commissioner. Uh there's some

[1:10:27] work that still isn't done and I'll

[1:10:31] commit to keep her posted on how some

[1:10:33] things progress. Um but uh we've been

[1:10:36] really fortunate over the years to have

[1:10:38] had some great planning commissioners

[1:10:40] and she's right there with the best of

[1:10:42] them and I mean that uh she's going to

[1:10:44] be missed. So it's it's uh it's great to

[1:10:47] see people have the opportunity to serve

[1:10:49] and it's sad to to get to this point and

[1:10:53] have to have to kind of say goodbye in

[1:10:56] one regard. So I appreciate the

[1:10:59] opportunity to share that and again just

[1:11:00] Shauna thank you very much.

[1:11:03] Perfect. Thank you, Dave. Shauna, will

[1:11:05] you come up and let us give you a round

[1:11:06] of applause and say a few words?

[1:11:15] That's so kind. I love Spanish Fork and

[1:11:20] uh

[1:11:22] it's when um I had been on the library

[1:11:25] board many years ago when my kids were

[1:11:27] small and I got a another call from uh

[1:11:31] to meet with Mayor Leon about six and a

[1:11:35] half years ago and went and sat down

[1:11:37] with him and he said, "We'd like to

[1:11:39] invite you to be on the planning

[1:11:41] commission." And I said, "Sure." I have

[1:11:44] no idea what that is.

[1:11:46] >> [laughter]

[1:11:47] >> But I love to help and I love to be

[1:11:49] involved in Spanish Fork City because uh

[1:11:51] it's just awesome people and great uh a

[1:11:56] great place to be and I I just love to

[1:11:58] be a contributor and learn and just this

[1:12:02] is awesome and boy nothing strengthens

[1:12:04] your backbone like being on the planning

[1:12:07] commission and the school board

[1:12:09] [laughter] and so I it's been a great

[1:12:11] experience for me. So thank you for the privilege. Thank you to all of

[1:12:16] you who get to serve and and keep

[1:12:18] serving. So, what a blessing. Thank you.

[1:12:20] >> Thank you, Shauna. I appreciate your

[1:12:22] service. Jack, can you get a picture if

[1:12:24] Shauna stands up in front of us right

[1:12:25] here? I think we lost Pete for a minute,

[1:12:27] but Jesse, you might have something to

[1:12:29] say after we get a picture.

[1:12:31] >> That's okay.

[1:12:31] >> Are you Did you sit on planning

[1:12:33] commission with her?

[1:12:35] >> Right here. Right in front. Picture of

[1:12:38] this. We'll have to light a fire under

[1:12:39] Jack.

[1:12:45] be nimble. Jack, be quick. Is that

[1:12:47] what you're saying? Jack, jump over the

[1:12:48] candlestick if it's lit.

[1:12:51] >> Thank you so much.

[1:12:56] » Mayor, I don't know that this is a

[1:12:57] highlight for Shauna, but man, it sure

[1:12:59] was a highlight for me. Um, this

[1:13:02] >> that she's leaving. You're not

[1:13:03] >> No, sorry. That was a that was a pre uh

[1:13:07] preposition. Um she this memory I have

[1:13:10] Shauna you were we were in the old

[1:13:12] council chamber so this is probably four

[1:13:13] or five years old probably within the

[1:13:15] first year or two of your service

[1:13:17] but there was some developer or some

[1:13:21] issue I can't remember what it was but

[1:13:23] the the applicant was really pushing

[1:13:26] hard on something and getting kind of

[1:13:28] belligerent and and rude and I remember

[1:13:32] watching how Shauna handled that with

[1:13:34] such grace and how she best stood stood

[1:13:39] what her position or ground was and and

[1:13:42] holding firm to what she believed was

[1:13:44] important and and not buckling to you

[1:13:47] know whatever I probably describe as a

[1:13:49] bullish bullyish type behavior. I don't

[1:13:51] know if you remember this. You probably

[1:13:53] have a few of these memories. Uh but I I

[1:13:56] remember watching that and just thinking

[1:13:57] that's a rockstar right there. and and

[1:14:00] uh you know you have a few you have a

[1:14:02] few other things that you do where you

[1:14:04] get to experience the public in those

[1:14:06] settings and and issues that are tough

[1:14:08] but man handling those tough issues as a

[1:14:11] volunteer like you guys at least ran for

[1:14:13] it. We get you know we're staff members

[1:14:15] too that's totally different than

[1:14:18] somebody who got called in by the mayor

[1:14:19] and said hey will you come do something

[1:14:21] that you know nothing about and you have

[1:14:22] to deal with stuff like that. It's

[1:14:24] always it's always impressive and and

[1:14:26] you did you did it with such grace and

[1:14:28] uh and knowledge. So great job. Thank

[1:14:31] you.

[1:14:31] >> I had the opportunity to serve on the

[1:14:33] planning commission with Shauna. And one

[1:14:34] of the things that I always appreciate

[1:14:35] about Shauna is that she always had

[1:14:38] Spanish Fork as a whole their best at in

[1:14:41] mind. It didn't matter what the issue

[1:14:43] was, what was happening, she was worried

[1:14:45] about everyone in Spanish Fork and

[1:14:46] making sure we made the right decision.

[1:14:48] And it included what you just said,

[1:14:49] Seth, is it was calling a spade a spade

[1:14:51] and saying, "Hey, let's let's back off

[1:14:53] here. let's let's settle down. And there

[1:14:55] were a couple times where it got heated,

[1:14:57] but she was always good about

[1:15:00] deescalating those situations, but also

[1:15:02] asking really really good questions and

[1:15:04] tough questions of those applicants

[1:15:06] coming in and making sure that we got

[1:15:08] what was best for Spanish Fork. I'm

[1:15:10] going to miss having you on this on the

[1:15:11] planning commission. Thank you for your

[1:15:12] service.

[1:15:16] » Very good. That's a a a loss for the

[1:15:20] planning commission and uh and like Dave

[1:15:22] said, a rotational thing, but uh we can

[1:15:25] still be sad about losing you, Shauna,

[1:15:27] and we know you're not going far. You

[1:15:28] serve very well on our school board and

[1:15:31] serve on on other committees and

[1:15:32] volunteer ways, too. So, we know we're

[1:15:34] not losing you fully, but uh we

[1:15:36] appreciate really your service for so

[1:15:38] many years on the planning commission.

[1:15:40] Good stuff.

[1:15:42] Okay. Uh next on the agenda is staff

[1:15:46] reports. Uh

[1:15:48] >> yeah, Mayor, just a couple of quick

[1:15:49] ones. Number one, what was your favorite memory from the

[1:15:52] rodeo

[1:15:55] >> this year?

[1:15:55] >> Yeah. Anything with like animals or zoo

[1:15:58] animals?

[1:15:59] >> Um, no zoo animals, but uh

[1:16:02] >> What do you mean no zoo animals? I feel

[1:16:03] like there's some tigers and bears.

[1:16:04] >> Yeah. Yeah, sometimes. Landon brought it

[1:16:07] up. It was a pretty cool year to to put

[1:16:10] Joe Butler into the Hall of Fame. It was

[1:16:12] pretty cool. You're not supposed to see

[1:16:14] uh Cowboys, especially ones that, you

[1:16:16] know, are dumb enough and tough enough

[1:16:18] to get in front of bulls like that, get

[1:16:20] emotional, but Joe Butler got emotional.

[1:16:22] I'll just say it on the record, record

[1:16:24] it. Joe Butler got emotional uh about

[1:16:26] being in the Hall of Fame and probably

[1:16:27] hanging up a a long career of doing what

[1:16:30] he did. And so, I thought that was that

[1:16:31] was really cool. He's a friend of of

[1:16:33] mine and and for him to get that honor

[1:16:36] was

[1:16:36] >> Yeah. I think he cried more there than

[1:16:38] he did when his wrist was sideways, his

[1:16:40] nose was upside down, his eye was

[1:16:41] falling out.

[1:16:42] >> Never seen him cry with that stuff. Yep.

[1:16:45] >> So, one of my favorite memories was the

[1:16:47] mayor coming over to me and saying,

[1:16:48] "Hey, Bear and Tiger Bachmire are

[1:16:50] sitting right over there. We need to get

[1:16:51] them into the rodeo." I'm like, "Mayor,

[1:16:54] come on." He's like, "No, let's go." So

[1:16:56] the mayor and I trot just trot on up to

[1:16:58] Bear and Tiger and he coaxes them out of

[1:17:01] the stands onto the arena floor to

[1:17:03] participate in our what we might call a

[1:17:05] halftime show as we're getting ready for

[1:17:06] the motorcycles to jump. It was really

[1:17:09] fun and they were they were super

[1:17:11] gracious and uh the crowd of course

[1:17:14] loved it uh that night. But that was fun

[1:17:17] to watch the mayor kind of do his thing.

[1:17:18] He totally flexed the mayor card like

[1:17:20] look guys you got to do it. I'm the

[1:17:22] mayor. I'm here asking you can't turn me

[1:17:24] down. We'll pull you over on the way

[1:17:26] out.

[1:17:26] >> Yeah. I mean, it's going to be the the

[1:17:27] end of the world for you. There's no NIL

[1:17:29] in it for you. I'm the mayor. This is

[1:17:30] all free. You can write it off as a tax

[1:17:33] deduction later. And whatever he did, he

[1:17:36] got him out there. We we had 10 minutes

[1:17:37] with him on the arena floor. Uh we last

[1:17:41] time we met, it was right after the 4th

[1:17:43] of July. I think our 24th of July

[1:17:46] fireworks experience was just the same.

[1:17:49] Um I'm going to look maybe to you, Matt.

[1:17:51] We don't have Chief Hails here, but

[1:17:53] seems like fireworks over the 24th was

[1:17:56] pretty much the same, if not a little

[1:17:57] bit less in terms of actual fires that

[1:18:00] we fought. I I know our fire crews

[1:18:02] responded to some mutual aid fires in

[1:18:04] neighboring jurisdictions, but um is

[1:18:08] that how you observed it with the calls

[1:18:10] that that you guys saw?

[1:18:11] >> No incidents, no citations issued. So,

[1:18:14] big shout out to the residents and being

[1:18:16] responsible. So, we appreciate it.

[1:18:18] >> Yeah. any feedback that you guys have or

[1:18:20] that you received in regards to allowing

[1:18:23] fireworks. Again, we weren't necessarily

[1:18:25] as maverick as maybe we were on the 4th

[1:18:28] of July, but but we were still somewhat

[1:18:30] unique in Utah County. Just just one

[1:18:33] thing I would add is I feel like it was

[1:18:34] such success because in large part

[1:18:36] because of u the communication team

[1:18:38] Jack's team and the you know their

[1:18:41] presence on social media and really

[1:18:42] informing and they did some fun creative

[1:18:45] uh campaigns and I felt like that went a

[1:18:47] long way and the map anyway

[1:18:50] a lot of gratitude from residents that

[1:18:52] we were that we allowed it that we kind

[1:18:54] of stuck with they love the fact that we

[1:18:56] were already in a spot where our

[1:18:59] restrictive map was basically un like it

[1:19:01] was already made before this and we just

[1:19:03] stuck with it because they already knew

[1:19:05] where they could rely on before but then

[1:19:06] that we were able to still do that. Um,

[1:19:09] you know, they wanted me to thank the

[1:19:11] mayor and chief hell for for going with

[1:19:13] that.

[1:19:14] >> Perfect. Thank you. Any other comments

[1:19:16] on fireworks? Okay.

[1:19:19] Well, that Thank you. Um,

[1:19:22] uh, we have started the demolition of

[1:19:24] the Willie Barn, which is the large

[1:19:26] indoor arena just behind the the outdoor

[1:19:30] arena where we have the rodeo. And that project is is underway to rebuild

[1:19:36] that arena um to a slightly bigger, but

[1:19:40] more specifically a safer uh standard.

[1:19:43] the the building structure itself is is

[1:19:47] um I don't know it might be as old as

[1:19:51] it's not it's not as old as the country

[1:19:52] but it's probably it's older than the

[1:19:56] memories that Chad was sharing. Um so

[1:19:59] it's pretty old. Um it's going to be a

[1:20:02] pretty intense project. We're going to

[1:20:04] take it down and rebuild it before next

[1:20:08] year's stock show which I think is

[1:20:11] midappril if I'm getting my dates right

[1:20:13] somewhere in 1 of April mid April. So

[1:20:17] it's going to be a pretty big effort to

[1:20:18] get that thing built and and completed

[1:20:21] but we that's the plan that the

[1:20:22] contractors certainly on board with

[1:20:24] that. So users around the fairgrounds

[1:20:27] will see that. Um users of the

[1:20:29] fairgrounds certainly know that because

[1:20:31] if anybody has rented that facility in

[1:20:34] the past, there is a blackout for the

[1:20:36] next many months where they won't use

[1:20:37] that. So just remind the council of that

[1:20:40] uh that project's underway and it's a

[1:20:42] joint project with Utah County. We're

[1:20:43] grateful for their participation in

[1:20:44] helping to make that upgrade and and uh

[1:20:47] that that upgrade possible.

[1:20:49] >> Beth, real quick, I know we've talked

[1:20:51] about timing on that one. Was it

[1:20:53] determined with the demo? Was everything

[1:20:56] being scrapped or were there any

[1:20:58] bleachers or gate panels or gates or

[1:21:01] anything?

[1:21:02] >> Yeah. Anything that we could get out and

[1:21:04] take out in a timely way, we did.

[1:21:06] >> U there have been a number of people

[1:21:08] that have asked, hey, can I come and

[1:21:09] salvage this? Can I come and harvest

[1:21:11] that? And the answer has been no. Um

[1:21:14] when when our experience has been if

[1:21:16] somebody says, hey, I'm going to come

[1:21:18] and get this. We've got a eightmonth

[1:21:20] window that we've got to get this thing

[1:21:21] done. we don't have any days to spare to

[1:21:24] allow, let's say it's you, you know, to

[1:21:26] come in. Oh, hey, I I didn't quite get

[1:21:28] everything done today. I'll be here back

[1:21:29] on Monday. Like, there's just no room

[1:21:31] for that.

[1:21:32] >> So, we'll be able to scrap things, but

[1:21:33] not salvage it out to somebody who maybe

[1:21:35] wants to use it in another place. So,

[1:21:38] yeah, and I know there are a few people

[1:21:40] that have expressed frustrations about

[1:21:41] that, but we just don't have the time to

[1:21:43] turn that around um and give that give

[1:21:46] that to somebody.

[1:21:47] >> Thank you.

[1:21:48] >> So, thank you for that question. Uh, I

[1:21:50] want to touch on the two maybe two quick

[1:21:52] things uh that Councilman Oiler asked.

[1:21:53] One, can we have the pool open later for

[1:21:55] families? This has been something that staff has been talking about a lot.

[1:21:59] when we opened up this pool, I think a

[1:22:01] mistake that I made, and you know, I

[1:22:03] can't go back and remedy that today, but

[1:22:06] if I could do this one over again, and

[1:22:08] if I could advise a future city that's

[1:22:10] going to go through this process again,

[1:22:12] I would say uh because I I would say

[1:22:16] don't think that everything's going to

[1:22:18] be just like last time. You know, we had

[1:22:20] a pool that that rented out two windows

[1:22:23] of time and it was highly popular. In

[1:22:27] fact, it was I I think almost all

[1:22:29] rentals were taken by January 5th,

[1:22:32] opening on January 2nd. Like it was

[1:22:34] highly rented u at night. So when we

[1:22:38] opened up the pool, we as you guys know,

[1:22:40] we set up two rental periods, an a early

[1:22:43] evening and a later evening.

[1:22:46] The rental for this facility is

[1:22:48] different. And most rentals, if not

[1:22:52] every rental for that pool was the has

[1:22:56] been set for the first time, which is

[1:22:59] like 7 o'clock, I think. And so we allow

[1:23:01] for a little bit of a shutdown and then refresh and then it opens up

[1:23:05] for that rental. The majority of the

[1:23:07] rentals were have were purchased well

[1:23:11] before the summer opened. And and so

[1:23:14] when we started to get that feedback of

[1:23:16] we want the pool open later. Oh, pausing

[1:23:18] this. We also with the other pool, we

[1:23:20] did a lot of research. Scott the

[1:23:22] librarian actually did this research

[1:23:23] when he was Scott the intern uh before

[1:23:26] he was caught the firefighter. And uh we

[1:23:29] found that very few people came to the

[1:23:31] pool after five o'clock, like new

[1:23:33] patrons. And so we just didn't earn any

[1:23:35] new money, right? Uh, and so we carried

[1:23:38] I wrongly carried a lot of that logic

[1:23:41] from how the pool operated to how we

[1:23:43] were going to operate this new outdoor

[1:23:45] pool. So fast forward, we get into this

[1:23:47] summer and the patrons are saying we

[1:23:50] want later times, we want later times

[1:23:51] and we hear that our challenge has been

[1:23:54] especially Tuesday through

[1:23:57] uh Saturday that first rental period was

[1:24:00] for the most part taken on most days.

[1:24:03] Um, and so to to make the pool open

[1:24:06] later, we'd have to call all of those

[1:24:08] rentals, cancel those, and and frustrate

[1:24:10] people that are renting it. Um, that's

[1:24:14] not exactly the way or exactly the case

[1:24:16] every night, but it is for most nights,

[1:24:17] Tuesday through Saturday. And I'll let

[1:24:19] Bronco kind of fill in some of the

[1:24:20] blanks here in a sec. But that that's

[1:24:23] one of those things that you know what,

[1:24:24] the old pool, I think if I could go

[1:24:26] back, I we would probably say we're not

[1:24:28] going to do two. We're only going to do

[1:24:29] one. and staff's already working through

[1:24:31] some different ways to handle next year

[1:24:32] because it doesn't work the same and it

[1:24:34] shouldn't work the same. It's a totally

[1:24:36] different machine, totally different

[1:24:37] beast. So, I think you'll you'll see a

[1:24:39] much better operation in balancing that

[1:24:41] for next year. And then we are seeing

[1:24:45] people use this pool, want to use this

[1:24:47] pool in much different numbers after

[1:24:49] five o'clock than last pool. Right.

[1:24:51] Again, carrying the this is what how it

[1:24:54] was last time is not how it's going to

[1:24:56] be this time. And so, we're definitely

[1:24:58] learning that. Bronco, what else would

[1:24:59] you add to to that?

[1:25:01] >> I'm honestly as much to blame because I

[1:25:03] was heavily involved in the old pool and

[1:25:05] what's crazy about it is, you know, we

[1:25:07] earmarked Monday nights as family night

[1:25:09] and we had extended hours to 8:00 and

[1:25:12] during my time there, my experience, it

[1:25:14] didn't get used. And so I actually

[1:25:15] turned that money at night into rental

[1:25:18] slots and uh

[1:25:20] >> we started doing swimming lessons at

[1:25:21] night.

[1:25:22] >> We started doing swimming lessons at

[1:25:23] night to to try to utilize that body of

[1:25:26] water. And so just appreciate the

[1:25:28] public's patience as we're trying to

[1:25:30] learn a new location, a way bigger

[1:25:32] amenity, and we'll we'll continue to

[1:25:35] make changes and and make it better as

[1:25:37] it goes. So appreciate the patience as

[1:25:38] we learn too the process of running a

[1:25:40] facility this size.

[1:25:42] >> I I don't think anybody's looking to

[1:25:45] blame anybody. And so, you know, I

[1:25:47] appreciate you wanting

[1:25:49] to take that on, right? But yeah, I

[1:25:51] don't think anybody's wanting to blame

[1:25:53] anybody for

[1:25:54] >> Have you read Facebook? We have,

[1:25:56] >> some may, some may, and it's okay. We're

[1:25:58] >> Yeah. No, you're I I appreciate that we're learning through this new

[1:26:02] process and I hope the public

[1:26:05] understands that that how it is today

[1:26:07] doesn't mean that's how it's going to be

[1:26:08] forever. We can always learn from it and

[1:26:10] make adjustments going forward. So,

[1:26:12] >> and and in the old pool, we could have

[1:26:17] somebody in the pavilion and somebody in

[1:26:19] the pool and then switch them out. And

[1:26:20] so you had an hour and a half to have

[1:26:22] your barbecue in the pool in the

[1:26:23] pavilion and then an hour and a half to

[1:26:25] swim. And that worked out really well.

[1:26:27] >> Now you can't have your barbecue and

[1:26:29] your swimming in the time block that we

[1:26:31] have. It just doesn't work.

[1:26:32] >> So again, a total retool next year.

[1:26:35] >> You didn't have family passes. You

[1:26:36] didn't like it's a whole different

[1:26:38] system. We're learning. I appreciate

[1:26:40] >> not the it was my fault because we all

[1:26:44] said it makes sense too.

[1:26:45] >> Um but I appreciate the in the

[1:26:48] willingness to adapt and change. I mean,

[1:26:50] it's new to all of us and I

[1:26:51] >> So, I'm with you, Kevin. Like, give us

[1:26:53] some patience

[1:26:56] >> and we will make some changes and move

[1:26:58] forward with it. But I'm going to have

[1:26:59] to say that, you know, the the the

[1:27:01] constant you're a bunch of idiots on

[1:27:02] Facebook does not help.

[1:27:04] >> No, not at all.

[1:27:05] >> If you have a if you want to talk to us

[1:27:07] and engage, come here, talk with us. Get

[1:27:09] pick up the phone and give me a call and

[1:27:11] let's talk about why this, you know,

[1:27:13] 5-second you're a bunch of stupid

[1:27:16] people. you don't know how to run a

[1:27:18] business on Facebook. Doesn't help at

[1:27:19] all. Not at all. Um there's some real

[1:27:22] challenges with it. It's, you know, new

[1:27:24] to all of us and and it gets better

[1:27:26] every single week.

[1:27:27] >> Yeah.

[1:27:28] >> And it'll get better next year and and

[1:27:29] we'll learn from it. But good.

[1:27:31] >> And I I I'm you know me, I'm a I'm a

[1:27:34] rosy eyes kind of guy, but I love that

[1:27:37] people are complaining about that. Like

[1:27:39] that tells me with the complaints.

[1:27:40] >> Well, no, but that tells me how much

[1:27:42] they love it, right? Like like that's pretty cool that they want more.

[1:27:46] So, I'm I'm happy. I'm

[1:27:48] with you, though. Like, come on. Uh, we

[1:27:50] get some complaints. I know Councilwoman

[1:27:52] Beck saw the complaint about garbage and

[1:27:54] it was like a come on Spanish work and garbage cans. Like, really? Like,

[1:27:59] >> I'm fine with the complaints, don't get

[1:28:00] me wrong.

[1:28:01] >> Yeah.

[1:28:01] I'm the tone, right?

[1:28:03] >> It's the tone. It's the

[1:28:04] >> we're a bunch of idiots that we don't

[1:28:06] know how to do anything. But

[1:28:07] >> Shane was not at the Rage Against

[1:28:08] Machine gun. 96.

[1:28:10] >> I really didn't even know was going on

[1:28:11] too old.

[1:28:12] >> I'm like 96. What was I [clears throat]

[1:28:13] doing? you know, six kids, two jobs, and

[1:28:16] >> I've been there.

[1:28:18] >> Been there.

[1:28:18] >> We've only ever had three kids, by the

[1:28:20] way.

[1:28:20] >> Oh,

[1:28:22] >> the second one.

[1:28:23] >> Maybe continuing on, Councilman Oiler

[1:28:25] mentioned the back parking lot. I Matt

[1:28:28] is wellversed in things that we're

[1:28:29] doing. Um, I don't know if you have

[1:28:31] anything to add, but I I will say

[1:28:34] call,

[1:28:37] you know, there have been some that have

[1:28:38] sent emails and whatnot. in the moment.

[1:28:40] If somebody's got something and they're

[1:28:41] frustrated or worried about it, call the

[1:28:43] non-emergency dispatch line. And Matt,

[1:28:45] you can give that number here in a

[1:28:46] second. We can put it on the screen as

[1:28:48] in the in the replay of this, but like

[1:28:51] don't don't take a video and send

[1:28:53] something to you two days later. Like

[1:28:55] call the dispatch non-emergency line.

[1:28:58] Our police officers will go there.

[1:29:00] They'll they'll uh talk to the kids,

[1:29:03] help them get out. Nobody wants to bust

[1:29:05] the kids. Like that's not productive.

[1:29:07] Uh, but our officers are really good at

[1:29:09] going talking to them, telling them,

[1:29:11] "Hey, your music's disturbing people and

[1:29:13] [snorts] whatnot." But anything I know

[1:29:15] you guys have been there, checked it out

[1:29:17] a few times.

[1:29:26] » Did we kill it? We might have died.

[1:29:30] >> Yeah, that that's I think that's what

[1:29:31] the sound has been. We we killed

[1:29:35] >> we've had officers.

[1:29:59] » Right.

[1:30:01] That that's what I've that's what I've

[1:30:03] heard, chief, is an officer will come,

[1:30:06] they'll all scatter, they'll take off.

[1:30:07] It sounds like they go to the dugout and

[1:30:09] just hang out at the dugout and cause

[1:30:12] problems there. That's

[1:30:14] >> until the officer leaves and then they

[1:30:17] go back.

[1:30:37] Thank you.

[1:30:50] » Great.

[1:30:51] [cough]

[1:30:53] No, we

[1:30:55] yeah, we appreciate the officers that go

[1:30:58] down there and have to

[1:31:00] struggle through that because it's it's

[1:31:02] ongoing, right? Especially in the summer

[1:31:04] months. But yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And

[1:31:06] just Yeah. If you could keep us informed

[1:31:08] on on any changes or any improvements

[1:31:11] that continue to make, appreciate it.

[1:31:15] >> Thank [snorts] you, Seth. Appreciate

[1:31:16] that.

[1:31:17] >> Yeah. And and I think we we've got a few

[1:31:19] more things that we're we're tinkering

[1:31:20] with. Uh, candidly, I'm okay, really

[1:31:23] okay with

[1:31:26] um somebody if they're worried about it,

[1:31:28] calling and having our officers go. The

[1:31:31] more our officers end up going, I mean,

[1:31:33] especially if it's within, you know,

[1:31:35] it's not an emergency, so it's not a 911

[1:31:38] call, but if it gets if it's a non

[1:31:40] non-emergency call, it ends up on their

[1:31:41] CAD and an officer will get there, that

[1:31:44] becomes disruptive to the patterns of

[1:31:45] what those teenagers are doing. And

[1:31:47] eventually, they're like, "Let's get out

[1:31:48] of here. We're going to pace him."

[1:31:49] >> Yeah. Well, And it sounds

[1:31:50] [clears throat] like, and chief, you can

[1:31:52] correct me. Sorry. Got you. Sounds like

[1:31:53] it's not just teenagers, though. It

[1:31:56] sounds like they're

[1:32:00] » Yeah. 18 to

[1:32:04] >> Right.

[1:32:05] >> 18 to 25 roughly, right?

[1:32:07] >> Yeah.

[1:32:08] >> And and they're in the for the most

[1:32:10] part, they're just gathering. They

[1:32:13] listen to loud music.

[1:32:16] uh sometimes they're a little bit

[1:32:17] vandalous, if that's a word. Um and and

[1:32:20] that they they disrupt the park more so

[1:32:23] than than other things.

[1:32:25] >> Yeah. Talk to Taylor and Taylor says

[1:32:27] they're constantly clean garbage out of

[1:32:30] that parking lot.

[1:32:30] >> Yeah. But uh you know, you're probably

[1:32:33] not going to stop the behavior. Frankly,

[1:32:35] it might be just move it to some other

[1:32:37] town,

[1:32:37] >> which I am totally happy.

[1:32:39] >> Right. Take your turn. Sign up. Pac's

[1:32:43] got some beautiful parking lots.

[1:32:46] >> No lights.

[1:32:48] >> Anyways, that's it, mayor. Thank you.

[1:32:49] >> What's up with that?

[1:32:50] >> Thank you. [laughter]

[1:32:54] » This is what we do when you don't come.

[1:32:56] [laughter]

[1:32:58] >> Yeah.

[1:33:01] » Whatever.

[1:33:01] >> You're right.

[1:33:02] >> No, you're not. [laughter]

[1:33:05] » Okay. Next session of the agenda is

[1:33:07] Spanish Fork 101. Um we have uh some uh

[1:33:12] some survey uh information that uh same

[1:33:16] some some of the information we went

[1:33:18] over in the work session right Tara. So

[1:33:20] similar stuff here and uh we appreciate

[1:33:23] our guests here tonight and live pass it

[1:33:25] over to

[1:33:25] >> Tara

[1:33:28] historic preservation commission.

[1:33:30] There's four members from the staff that

[1:33:32] are on that and then there's four

[1:33:34] members of the community. And one of the

[1:33:36] goals of that commission was to do a

[1:33:38] reconnaissance level survey. That survey

[1:33:42] um was able to happen because we were

[1:33:44] able to receive a grant from the state

[1:33:47] historic preservation office. That's a

[1:33:49] matching grant and so Spanish Fork paid

[1:33:51] half of that grant and that has been

[1:33:53] completed. So we would love to invite uh

[1:33:56] Chalet Larson from IO landark and um she

[1:34:01] will give us those results and those

[1:34:02] things that the the reasons why the b

[1:34:05] the residents could benefit from it.

[1:34:09] >> Thank you Tara.

[1:34:11] >> Hi Shalai.

[1:34:12] >> Thank you Tara. It's good to see all of

[1:34:14] you again. Uh update on the husband

[1:34:16] child sports schedule. He failed to get

[1:34:18] the younger child to baseball practice

[1:34:20] [laughter]

[1:34:22] >> and now it's on the public record.

[1:34:23] but

[1:34:25] they canled it at the last minute, so he

[1:34:27] was saved.

[1:34:29] >> It worked out really well for him. Um

[1:34:31] anyway, uh yeah, so I uh my name is

[1:34:34] Chalet Larson. I'm the principal of IO

[1:34:37] Land Arc. We are a design, planning, and

[1:34:40] historic preservation consulting firm.

[1:34:42] Um and we are very passionate about what

[1:34:45] we do. We love to help communities tell

[1:34:48] their stories and preserve their unique

[1:34:50] cultural history and sense of identity

[1:34:52] and place. And Spanish Fork is amazing

[1:34:55] and honestly just sitting here through

[1:34:56] your city council meeting and just I

[1:34:59] feel the love you I want to move here.

[1:35:01] [laughter] It's amazing. Um but yeah,

[1:35:04] thank you. Thank you so much for the

[1:35:05] opportunity to do this. I just want to

[1:35:07] give you kind of a high level and for

[1:35:09] the community a high level overview of

[1:35:11] our findings and our recommendations. So

[1:35:14] um there's a clicker

[1:35:17] So the the agenda for this presentation

[1:35:20] um acknowledgements project summary and

[1:35:22] methodology statistical summary and

[1:35:24] analysis recommendations and then do we

[1:35:26] have time is this is a Q&A or do you

[1:35:29] >> well we already kind

[1:35:32] >> you are welcome to ask more questions if

[1:35:34] you have more additional follow-up

[1:35:35] questions. Um and uh this was again it

[1:35:39] was such a privilege to work on this

[1:35:41] project. Uh we we really enjoyed working

[1:35:44] with Spanish Fork City. Uh Tara and

[1:35:47] Tyler were both amazing to work with. Um

[1:35:51] thank you to the Historic Preservation

[1:35:52] Commission for all all the work that you

[1:35:54] do. And for the homeowners, um we didn't

[1:35:57] talk to a lot of homeowners. That wasn't

[1:35:58] necessarily part of our scope of work,

[1:35:59] but those who came out and talked to us

[1:36:01] while we were doing the survey, uh we

[1:36:03] really enjoyed chatting with th those people. So um and then also a

[1:36:08] recognition of our friends at the state

[1:36:09] historic preservation office. I'm not

[1:36:11] sure which screen to look at. Getting whiplash. Um so they they've

[1:36:16] been a a great resource through this

[1:36:19] process. Uh so the um the purpose of a

[1:36:25] reconnaissance level survey is to get a a highlevel overview of what are the

[1:36:30] historic resources in this community.

[1:36:32] And when we talk about history, you

[1:36:35] know, history is an abstraction for a

[1:36:37] lot of people. A lot of people don't

[1:36:39] think about history on a day-to-day

[1:36:40] basis. They don't think, you know, I

[1:36:42] mean, I know there are some people that

[1:36:43] are really into genealogy, but for the average community member, um,

[1:36:48] being able to connect with historic

[1:36:50] buildings and historic places is a very

[1:36:53] tactile physical way to to really

[1:36:56] connect with your own that that sense of

[1:36:58] place and community pride. And the the

[1:37:01] first, you know, the first step in

[1:37:03] preserving those that that physical

[1:37:07] uh that physical history of your

[1:37:10] community is to go to that high level

[1:37:12] and and evaluate, okay, what do we have?

[1:37:15] What's the condition of it? Um and and

[1:37:18] are we could we maybe create a historic

[1:37:21] district?

[1:37:23] Um, so the outcomes of this effort, um,

[1:37:27] we updated the state historic

[1:37:30] preservation office database. So we gave

[1:37:31] them GIS files that have all of the

[1:37:33] data, uh, that that we evaluated for the

[1:37:36] properties. Um, we we walked the

[1:37:39] community. We put in a lot of a a lot of

[1:37:42] miles um on foot. Uh, we stayed on the

[1:37:45] public sidewalk. We didn't go into

[1:37:46] people's properties and we just took

[1:37:48] photos of of all of the properties from

[1:37:51] the street and we evaluated them for um

[1:37:55] their plan type, the the architectural

[1:37:58] style and the integrity of of each

[1:38:01] property and whether it was contributing

[1:38:02] or non contributing to the historic

[1:38:05] district. Um and let's see. Um and then

[1:38:09] you know at the outcome of this process

[1:38:11] hopefully we'll provide information that

[1:38:13] would help facilitate the creation of

[1:38:15] historic districts in Spanish Fork.

[1:38:19] Um so just some quick terminology. Uh

[1:38:22] the way that we one of the ways that we

[1:38:25] identify and sort of um categorize

[1:38:28] historic structures is by their period

[1:38:31] of significance. What was happening

[1:38:33] culturally in terms of the broad layers

[1:38:35] and patterns of history? what was

[1:38:37] happening at the time that these

[1:38:39] buildings were originally constructed.

[1:38:42] And for the for this community, we

[1:38:46] identified the following periods of

[1:38:48] significance. I'm not going to go into

[1:38:49] these in a lot of detail. Uh but we have

[1:38:52] European settlement or the European

[1:38:54] settlement period. Um this is the the

[1:38:57] initial um the initial explorers that

[1:39:01] came to this valley um in 1776 through

[1:39:04] 1849. Then we have town expansion and

[1:39:08] early farmsteads. So this is really the

[1:39:10] pioneer uh era of settlement. And then

[1:39:13] modernization, consolidation and the

[1:39:15] warriors. So a lot of uh this period is

[1:39:18] commonly associated with Victorian

[1:39:20] homes. But there's a number of other

[1:39:22] styles in there as well. Um then we have

[1:39:25] the inter war growth and the bungalow

[1:39:27] era period from 1919 through 1944. So

[1:39:30] this is kind of the period between the

[1:39:32] two uh the two world wars. Um and then

[1:39:35] post-war expansion 1945 through 1959. Um

[1:39:40] and then the civic and cultural

[1:39:41] development period of 1960 through 1981

[1:39:46] and the modern era. Um which is

[1:39:48] basically everything that is ineligible.

[1:39:50] Um it's not old enough yet to be uh

[1:39:54] listed as part of a historic district.

[1:39:58] Uh so here are a couple of uh existing

[1:40:01] National Register of Historic Place

[1:40:03] listings that already exist in the

[1:40:05] survey area. The David H. Jones House

[1:40:07] and the Spanish Fork City Hall uh former

[1:40:11] Thurber School.

[1:40:14] Uh so as we were evaluating these

[1:40:16] properties, we evaluated approximately

[1:40:18] 600 uh properties. Um and the overall

[1:40:24] distribution of so basically we looked

[1:40:26] at every property and we said could this

[1:40:28] property if it first first off is it

[1:40:31] inside the period or is it outside the

[1:40:33] period? So if if it's in one of those

[1:40:35] periods of significance that we

[1:40:36] identified

[1:40:38] uh then is it does it maintain

[1:40:40] integrity? Um so does it represent uh

[1:40:44] the the original characteristics of that building when it was built

[1:40:49] originally? Um, some properties end up

[1:40:51] being ineligible because major changes

[1:40:54] have been made to them such as being

[1:40:56] resided with vinyl sighting or uh major

[1:40:59] additions being added or roof lines

[1:41:01] being changed. Basically, major changes

[1:41:03] to the building. So, approximately we're

[1:41:06] just over the 50% threshold. We have 275

[1:41:09] properties that we identified as

[1:41:11] eligible or contributing to a potential

[1:41:14] historic district and then 263 that we

[1:41:17] identified as in ineligible and

[1:41:20] non-contributing and 67 that were out of

[1:41:24] outside of the period. So

[1:41:28] um when we look at the construction

[1:41:31] dates by period of significance uh the

[1:41:34] vast majority of the buildings um were

[1:41:37] built during that inter war period of

[1:41:39] 1919 through 1944 followed by uh 139 143

[1:41:45] properties in the 1945 through 19559

[1:41:50] postworld war II period and then the

[1:41:53] late Victorian early 20th century.

[1:41:55] Um, the one thing that we noticed, and

[1:41:58] you'll see this in an upcoming map, is

[1:42:01] that in a lot of communities, you see

[1:42:02] very distinct growth rings with the

[1:42:04] oldest buildings being located more

[1:42:06] towards the the central area of

[1:42:09] settlement and then later buildings

[1:42:12] being added around the periphery. It was

[1:42:14] very interesting in Spanish Fork. Um, a

[1:42:17] lot of development that has occurred

[1:42:19] throughout all of these periods has been

[1:42:20] very intermixed. So what what we've seen

[1:42:23] is a pattern of redevelopment and infill

[1:42:26] rather than constantly pushing outward,

[1:42:29] which is which is kind of cool. Um

[1:42:32] because you you can you can have a lot

[1:42:34] of different architectural styles right

[1:42:36] next to each other. Um but it's also

[1:42:38] very challenging from uh establishing a

[1:42:41] clear district boundaries standpoint,

[1:42:43] which we'll talk about in a minute with

[1:42:44] our recommendations.

[1:42:47] Um, but one of the biggest takeaways

[1:42:50] from our survey is that taken together

[1:42:53] when we look at the the plan type and

[1:42:55] the architectural style, the data

[1:42:57] suggests that the survey area developed

[1:42:59] as a cohesive residential environment

[1:43:01] rooted in working and middle class

[1:43:03] occupancy particularly particularly

[1:43:06] during the inter war and postworld war

[1:43:08] II periods. Rather than being defined by

[1:43:11] a single architectural style or period

[1:43:13] of high style design, this area is

[1:43:15] characterized by the continuity of

[1:43:17] modest housing types across multiple

[1:43:19] decades. So, it's a very it's a very

[1:43:21] working-class family oriented community.

[1:43:26] Um, here are a couple of the maps that

[1:43:28] we generated. So, the map on the left,

[1:43:31] um, you uh, shows the eligible and the

[1:43:36] ineligible properties. Um, and you can

[1:43:40] see how really dispersed the eligible

[1:43:42] properties are throughout the study

[1:43:44] area. And then on the right, we we have

[1:43:48] Oh, I bumped it. Um, the periods of

[1:43:51] significance are identified by the the

[1:43:55] key the colors there indicated. And you

[1:43:57] can see on this map there's no clear

[1:44:00] pattern. They're very much all mixed

[1:44:01] together.

[1:44:04] Um so what is you know how what does

[1:44:08] this mean for the community? Um this

[1:44:12] means that the city has the potential to

[1:44:15] nominate uh parts of of this study area

[1:44:20] for national and potentially local

[1:44:22] historic districts. Um, the benefits of

[1:44:26] listing a property or a group of

[1:44:28] properties on the National Register of

[1:44:30] Historic Districts includes number one,

[1:44:33] first and foremost, recognition and

[1:44:35] neighborhood pride. You get a cool

[1:44:37] plaque, you get to brag to your your

[1:44:39] friends and neighbors, people who come

[1:44:40] to visit, you know, get to read. Um, I

[1:44:42] live in historic house and I have a cool

[1:44:44] plaque and strangers stop in my front

[1:44:46] yard all the time and read read my

[1:44:47] plaque. I love it every time. I it um

[1:44:51] it's it's it's such a great feeling. um

[1:44:53] but the the financial benefits. So there

[1:44:56] are um rehabilitation tax credits

[1:44:58] available to help offset the cost of re

[1:45:01] maintaining and restoring uh old old

[1:45:04] historic homes. Um there are also this

[1:45:07] you know doing this would potentially

[1:45:10] open up additional grants and loans

[1:45:13] available.

[1:45:14] Um there is um building code leniency

[1:45:18] with with regards to the IBC. Um there's

[1:45:21] potential local zoning variances for

[1:45:23] conditional uses, like if someone wanted

[1:45:25] to to turn a house into a bed and

[1:45:26] breakfast. Um things like that. Uh and

[1:45:30] then and then there's a whole wealth of

[1:45:31] information for historic property owners

[1:45:33] about uh rehabilitation advice and best

[1:45:36] practices. Um the important thing to

[1:45:40] differentiate is that if you do a

[1:45:43] national register uh listing, there are

[1:45:47] no restrictions. There are no outright

[1:45:49] restrictions associated with that.

[1:45:51] There's no board or commission that you

[1:45:53] have to go to if you want to do

[1:45:55] something to your property, if you want

[1:45:57] to repaint it or if you want to replace

[1:46:00] windows or if you want to to do

[1:46:02] something with the exterior. Um however,

[1:46:05] if the city did decide to move forward

[1:46:07] with a local historic district and

[1:46:09] establish um design standards that would

[1:46:13] then be codified, uh then there would be

[1:46:16] some kind of board or review process

[1:46:18] that property owners would need to go

[1:46:20] through in order to make changes to

[1:46:22] their historic structures.

[1:46:26] Um so I mentioned the historic

[1:46:28] preservation tax credits. Uh the there's

[1:46:31] two different ones. There's a local and

[1:46:33] a federal. So the local is through the

[1:46:36] state of Utah. It's 20% of all of your

[1:46:40] eligible uh building rehabilitation

[1:46:43] costs uh that in the form of a tax

[1:46:45] credit. Um and these apply to

[1:46:48] residential property. So either owner

[1:46:50] occupied or residential rentals.

[1:46:53] There's also a 20% federal tax credit

[1:46:57] that is available for income producing

[1:47:00] properties. So, if you have a a rental a

[1:47:04] residential rental property, you can you

[1:47:08] can receive both tax credits. So, you

[1:47:10] can um you can receive a tax credit for

[1:47:12] potentially up to 40% of your eligible

[1:47:15] rehabilitation costs.

[1:47:19] Um so, the next steps like I said this

[1:47:21] was this was the first step and congrat

[1:47:24] congratulations for achieving that

[1:47:26] milestone. Um, we are we have a number

[1:47:29] of recommendations that I the next

[1:47:32] slides will kind of go into more detail

[1:47:35] on, but the first and foremost is that

[1:47:37] we're recommending a um nominating the a

[1:47:42] main street district to the National

[1:47:44] Register of Historic Places. And we feel

[1:47:48] like this would go a long ways towards

[1:47:50] um incentivizing and supporting those

[1:47:53] business owners and property owners

[1:47:55] along Main Street and really creating a

[1:47:57] vibrant Main Street and community core

[1:47:59] and potentially boosting things like

[1:48:02] heritage tourism and sense of community

[1:48:05] pride in place.

[1:48:07] Um the next step would be some kind of

[1:48:10] multiple uh property submission. So

[1:48:13] rather than a physical district

[1:48:14] boundary, we would we would take um

[1:48:17] thematic listings uh based on those

[1:48:20] different architectural styles or

[1:48:22] periods of significance that we

[1:48:24] identified and we would we would do a

[1:48:26] listing or multiple listings potentially

[1:48:29] based on type. So this approach

[1:48:32] establishes shared historic context and

[1:48:34] eligibility criteria allowing the

[1:48:35] nomination of small of individual

[1:48:38] properties.

[1:48:41] Um, and then there's also at an even

[1:48:45] smaller scale, we identify 12 individual

[1:48:48] properties that we think it's it's worth

[1:48:51] pursuing individual listings on. And

[1:48:54] honestly, there there's even there's

[1:48:56] more than that. I think there's so many

[1:48:57] great buildings in here, but these are

[1:48:59] these were 12 that really jumped out uh

[1:49:02] to us. Um, and and any homeowner at any

[1:49:04] time can individually pursue a National

[1:49:07] Register nomination on their own. Um, so

[1:49:11] it doesn't that doesn't mean the city

[1:49:12] has to do it, but but if you know if you chose to not pursue the other two

[1:49:18] options, we would at least recommend

[1:49:20] that you move forward with these um

[1:49:22] intensive level surveys and individual

[1:49:25] na national register nominations just to

[1:49:27] get more buildings placed on the

[1:49:29] national register at the local level.

[1:49:34] Um, and then this is an ongoing process.

[1:49:37] So buildings change over time. We have

[1:49:40] you know deterioration, we have

[1:49:41] remodels, changes happening,

[1:49:43] redevelopment happening constantly. So

[1:49:46] it's very important that a survey like

[1:49:48] this now you have the foundational data.

[1:49:50] So every 10 to 15 years having a a

[1:49:52] consultant come through and reservey the

[1:49:55] property and make the appropriate

[1:49:57] adjustments is recommended.

[1:50:02] Um and then

[1:50:05] uh maintaining survey data and

[1:50:07] preservation planning recommendations.

[1:50:10] Um so we're also recommending that the

[1:50:12] city move forward with creating some

[1:50:15] kind of broader community preservation

[1:50:17] plan. Um, and this would allow you to

[1:50:20] codify how, well, first off, this would

[1:50:23] allow you to really engage the community

[1:50:26] and see where the community is at and

[1:50:28] how they're feeling about their

[1:50:31] architectural history uh, in the

[1:50:33] community and and what types of

[1:50:36] strategies they would like to implement

[1:50:38] or see implemented and what kind of

[1:50:40] tools uh, that that you can then codify

[1:50:44] to help preserve this history before

[1:50:47] it's gone. because once it's once it's

[1:50:48] gone, it's gone forever. Um, so this

[1:50:51] would allow you to establish clear

[1:50:53] policies for identification, evalu

[1:50:55] evaluation, and protection of historic

[1:50:57] resources. Um, if you established local

[1:51:01] historic districts, you could create

[1:51:02] design guidelines for rehabilitation,

[1:51:05] additions, and things like new infill

[1:51:07] construction within historic areas that

[1:51:10] are aligned with the Secretary of the

[1:51:11] Interior standards for the treatment of

[1:51:13] historic properties. Um, this would give

[1:51:16] you an opportunity to look at strategies

[1:51:17] for managing change, including

[1:51:19] compatible infill and adaptive reuse.

[1:51:22] Um, and I potentially identify priority

[1:51:25] resources or at risk areas. Um, and it's

[1:51:29] integration of preservation goals into

[1:51:32] broader planning and zoning frameworks

[1:51:34] because everything that you do needs to

[1:51:35] come back to your general plan and and

[1:51:38] all and and your zoning ordinance. So

[1:51:43] um and best practices in preservation

[1:51:46] planning emphasize flexibility and

[1:51:47] incentives over regulation alone. So

[1:51:50] it's it's it's a layered approach. Um

[1:51:53] obviously having if you do choose to

[1:51:56] pursue um local codification of historic

[1:52:02] resources

[1:52:04] um then you know then you can have that

[1:52:07] tool in your your tool belt. that

[1:52:09] shouldn't preclude

[1:52:12] good public education, good community

[1:52:14] outreach, um and and and trying to uh

[1:52:19] prioritize incentives over um over heavy

[1:52:24] regulation, I should say. Um and and a

[1:52:27] lot of that can come from the financial

[1:52:29] incentives that I mentioned earlier.

[1:52:34] So that is where we're at. Any

[1:52:37] questions?

[1:52:39] Lelay, I've got one question, I guess.

[1:52:40] If we've got a homeowner that has a

[1:52:42] rental that's outside of the survey area

[1:52:46] that wants to try and rehabilitate their

[1:52:49] home in in a way to take advantage of

[1:52:51] the tax credits, are they able to even

[1:52:53] though they're not part of the survey

[1:52:55] area?

[1:52:55] >> Um, they would. So,

[1:52:59] in unless you move forward with a group

[1:53:03] listing of some sort, a na a historic

[1:53:05] district designation, no one is

[1:53:08] technically.

[1:53:08] >> Okay.

[1:53:09] >> Um but if you do move forward with a

[1:53:11] national historic district designation,

[1:53:13] then it would only include whatever

[1:53:15] properties you decide to draw into that

[1:53:16] boundary. Um if they are outside of the

[1:53:20] boundary area, um it depends on how far

[1:53:24] outside the boundary area they are. like

[1:53:27] I I don't see why they couldn't

[1:53:30] potentially be included in um one of

[1:53:33] those thematic nominations that we

[1:53:36] talked about. Um but but typically you

[1:53:39] would just work off of what's already been done. Um so the the

[1:53:45] foundation of the properties that have

[1:53:47] been surveyed because that initial

[1:53:48] step's been done. However, anyone

[1:53:50] anywhere in the state of Utah, anywhere

[1:53:52] in the United States, can list

[1:53:54] individually list their property on the

[1:53:56] National Register of Historic Places.

[1:53:58] So, if that's something that a property

[1:54:00] owner is interested in, uh, I would

[1:54:03] highly encourage that. Um, and it's the

[1:54:06] State Historic Preservation Office is a

[1:54:08] great resource. You can hire a

[1:54:09] consultant to do that for you or you can

[1:54:12] do the research on your own and fill out

[1:54:14] the form and submit the nomination. Um,

[1:54:16] lots lots of homeowners have diyed, you

[1:54:18] know, done their done their own

[1:54:20] nominations, so it's it's not

[1:54:22] impossible. Um, but yeah, that that

[1:54:24] would be the rout route I would

[1:54:26] recommend.

[1:54:27] >> Thank you.

[1:54:29] [snorts]

[1:54:31] » Any other questions for Chalet?

[1:54:36] » Blacks are pretty cool.

[1:54:38] Like what you said, people knocking on

[1:54:40] your door saying that's pretty cool.

[1:54:42] >> Yeah. No. Well, so far not very many

[1:54:44] people have knocked, but I see them

[1:54:47] camera.

[1:54:47] >> Yeah, I just look out my front windows

[1:54:49] and Yeah.

[1:54:49] >> And people think I'm weird because I

[1:54:51] have no curtains on my [laughter]

[1:54:53] on my living spaces in my house. But no,

[1:54:55] it's it's great. We And the people walk

[1:54:58] up and down the street all the time

[1:54:59] because all the houses on my street have

[1:55:00] plaques.

[1:55:02] >> It's really fun.

[1:55:03] >> Cool.

[1:55:05] >> Thank you for that information. I

[1:55:07] appreciate it. And uh Tara, watch for more coming. We had a little

[1:55:12] bit in this in the work session of a

[1:55:15] discussion of this too. So uh stay

[1:55:17] tuned. Spanish Fork, we'll have some

[1:55:18] more discussion on this in the future.

[1:55:20] We appreciate you coming down and and

[1:55:22] visiting us. Thanks. Thanks for making

[1:55:24] the trip. Chalet.

[1:55:25] >> Mayor, we will also be putting this on

[1:55:28] the website so that everybody can see

[1:55:30] it.

[1:55:31] >> Perfect. We'll be connected. I'll bet

[1:55:33] Jack's already got some little video

[1:55:36] stewing in his

[1:55:38] creative.

[1:55:39] >> Creative fire brain over there. Okay.

[1:55:44] Takes us to the eighth uh part of our

[1:55:47] agenda, the consent items. There's one,

[1:55:50] two, three, four, five items on the

[1:55:54] consent agenda. If there's no questions

[1:55:57] for the consent items, I'd entertain a

[1:55:58] motion approving the consent items.

[1:56:02] >> So moved.

[1:56:03] >> Motion made by Councilwoman Beck.

[1:56:05] >> Second. Second by Councilman Tuk. All in

[1:56:09] favor say yes.

[1:56:10] >> Yes.

[1:56:10] >> Consent items are approved. Takes us to

[1:56:13] new business. Ordinance to create a

[1:56:15] provisional business license. Mr. David

[1:56:18] G. Anderson. Mr. Mayor. Thank you. In

[1:56:20] July, we discussed with the council the

[1:56:22] need to sanction

[1:56:24] business activity in situations where

[1:56:26] businesses are not yet eligible to

[1:56:28] receive business licenses. Uh this

[1:56:31] provisional business license is the idea

[1:56:33] that came out of that discussion.

[1:56:36] And there's been a slight modification

[1:56:38] to draft language that we talked about

[1:56:40] that night um again back in July uh

[1:56:43] where we've added um in addition to some

[1:56:46] really simple criteria that would have

[1:56:48] to be met for a business to be eligible

[1:56:49] for a provisional business license a

[1:56:52] lifespan for the license with the draft

[1:56:55] that is prepared here. I appreciate Mr.

[1:56:58] Urkart putting it up there. just the

[1:57:00] language there under 54170.

[1:57:03] That's really all that it is that would

[1:57:04] be added to title five of the municipal

[1:57:06] code. Um

[1:57:09] I've inserted 30 days again as the

[1:57:12] lifespan for a provisional business

[1:57:14] license for the particular issue that um

[1:57:18] we've been dealing with recently

[1:57:21] um that we'd like to address with this

[1:57:23] 30 days I think is an adequate amount of

[1:57:24] time. Mr. parents and I discussed on

[1:57:27] Monday the value potentially of maybe

[1:57:31] having it to be 60 days instead of 30.

[1:57:33] Um there are some other situations where

[1:57:35] we can envision this being a useful tool

[1:57:37] where it might be helpful to to have

[1:57:39] this this license last for more than 30

[1:57:41] days. Um but uh we're here tonight to

[1:57:44] recommend that this be adopted, you

[1:57:47] know, maybe with the council considering

[1:57:49] that 30 or up to 60 days as being um

[1:57:56] uh whatever you think is most

[1:57:57] appropriate. Again, I think 30 days

[1:57:58] probably is good. 60 days um obviously

[1:58:01] that allows for a little bit more

[1:58:02] flexibility, but we appreciate the

[1:58:04] opportunity to have something like this

[1:58:05] to put into play just to make it easier

[1:58:08] for new businesses to get up and

[1:58:09] running. Um, that's really what this is

[1:58:12] about.

[1:58:16] » Questions for Dave about this?

[1:58:17] >> How long did it take? Was it 10 days for

[1:58:18] that company to get their provisional?

[1:58:21] >> We just know that it was less than 30.

[1:58:22] We couldn't nail down their exact date

[1:58:24] when they made application. So,

[1:58:28] I don't find it a good argument to be down to 30 if if we think 60 gives

[1:58:35] us enough wiggle room. I think uh if

[1:58:38] we're talking to businesses and trying

[1:58:39] to get going

[1:58:41] >> it's

[1:58:42] >> not anything we can't change later if we

[1:58:43] need to.

[1:58:44] >> If it's 30 days we can they can extend,

[1:58:46] right? They can do another one.

[1:58:47] >> There's nothing here that says they

[1:58:48] can't. So that I thought about that as

[1:58:50] well.

[1:58:50] >> So yeah, I think we're good.

[1:58:58] » Okay. If there's no other questions uh

[1:59:00] for Dave, I'd entertain a motion. I move

[1:59:03] to approve the proposed ordinance to

[1:59:04] create provisional business licenses.

[1:59:07] >> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

[1:59:10] >> Second.

[1:59:10] by Councilman Marshall. A roll

[1:59:12] call vote. Councilman Tuk.

[1:59:14] >> Yes.

[1:59:14] >> Councilman Carden.

[1:59:15] >> Yes.

[1:59:15] >> Councilman Oiler?

[1:59:16] >> Yes.

[1:59:16] >> Councilwoman Beck?

[1:59:17] >> Yes. And

[1:59:18] >> Councilman Marshall?

[1:59:18] >> Yes.

[1:59:20] >> 9.1's approved. Takes us to 9.2 personal

[1:59:24] personnel policy definitions

[1:59:26] update.

[1:59:28] >> Mr. Jacobson. No middle name. Tyler

[1:59:32] >> P.

[1:59:36] » Thanks, guys. Uh,

[1:59:39] >> we we're gonna go back in time just a

[1:59:41] little bit for this one. So, just across

[1:59:42] the hall in the heritage room, the

[1:59:44] library actually has a program where

[1:59:45] they have a time machine. So, we're

[1:59:47] going back about 12 years ago, the

[1:59:50] Affordable Care Act uh became uh it it

[1:59:54] became enacted and we uh had to make

[1:59:58] sure to follow that at the city. So, we

[2:00:00] changed our policy. Um and one of those

[2:00:02] changes was that the Affordable Care Act

[2:00:05] required for all employees that were not

[2:00:08] benefited. Um in order to work

[2:00:12] part-time, they had to work um less than

[2:00:15] 130 hours in a month. So they call that

[2:00:18] the look back period. You can choose a

[2:00:19] look back period of a month or a year.

[2:00:22] Um and at the time we chose uh chose to

[2:00:26] go with a month. Over the last 12 years,

[2:00:29] there have been some changes and uh to

[2:00:33] make it a little bit more flexible for

[2:00:36] our part-time employees to work, we need

[2:00:39] to change the language in um in our

[2:00:41] current personnel policy. So, what's

[2:00:43] before you is a is a proposition that

[2:00:45] would make it possible to do a look back

[2:00:48] of a full year or uh or 1560 hours. So

[2:00:53] we would ensure that employees would

[2:00:54] work less than560

[2:00:57] hours in a year. And what this does is

[2:01:00] um so for example, if you have an

[2:01:02] employee who works quite a bit in the

[2:01:03] summertime, but then in the winter um

[2:01:06] not not as many hours in a week, it

[2:01:08] makes it possible for them to work uh

[2:01:11] more in the summer when it's needed than

[2:01:14] uh later on in the year when um when

[2:01:17] there may not be as much work for that

[2:01:19] uh employee to do. So, the proposal

[2:01:21] that's before you, the language that has

[2:01:23] changed is the definition for a

[2:01:25] part-time employee. So, we'd be getting

[2:01:27] rid of um three definitions. We'd

[2:01:29] replace, sorry, let me rephrase that.

[2:01:31] We'd replace the part-time employee

[2:01:33] definition. We would get rid of the the

[2:01:36] seasonal employee and the variable

[2:01:38] employee definition, and we would have

[2:01:40] one category called part-time employee.

[2:01:42] Um, this will make it easier to

[2:01:45] administer the Affordable Care Act and hopefully make it easier for our

[2:01:50] employees, our supervisors to schedule

[2:01:52] employees. Um, one of the questions you

[2:01:54] may have is does this have a fiscal

[2:01:56] impact? Um, employees would still have

[2:01:59] to work within the budget that they've

[2:02:01] been given. Um, so we don't anticipate

[2:02:04] that. There certainly could be some uh

[2:02:07] requests in the future where supervisors

[2:02:10] ask if they can have their employees

[2:02:11] work more hours, but as of right now,

[2:02:13] they would have to work

[2:02:15] that time that's budgeted.

[2:02:18] Any questions though on on this?

[2:02:24] >> Questions for Tyler?

[2:02:27] >> Okay, Tyler.

[2:02:27] >> Thanks. Appreciate that. Good update. I

[2:02:31] would entertain a motion to approve uh

[2:02:34] item 9.3.

[2:02:36] >> I move to approve the personnel policy

[2:02:38] definitions.

[2:02:39] >> Motion made by Councilman Oiler.

[2:02:43] >> Second.

[2:02:44] by Councilwoman Beck. A roll call

[2:02:46] vote here. Councilman Marshall. Yes.

[2:02:48] >> Councilwoman Beck. Councilman Oiler.

[2:02:50] >> Yes.

[2:02:50] >> Councilman Carden?

[2:02:51] >> Yes.

[2:02:51] >> And Councilman Tuk?

[2:02:52] >> Yes.

[2:02:54] >> That is approved. Uh takes us to 10.

[2:02:58] discussion tonight before we adjourn to

[2:03:02] closed

[2:03:02] >> meeting

[2:03:06] bottom there.

[2:03:07] >> Excuse me. [snorts] Yeah, I marked it.

[2:03:11] >> Okay.

[2:03:12] 9.3 is board and commission

[2:03:14] appointments. Uh David, is that

[2:03:16] something you want to mention? And then

[2:03:19] I can

[2:03:22] politic it if I need to. I mean, some of

[2:03:24] these people might be on the fence.

[2:03:27] Well, um, yeah, I appreciate that this,

[2:03:30] uh, Mr. Mayor, I mean, having talked

[2:03:32] about it with you a few times now, I

[2:03:34] think this is one of the

[2:03:35] responsibilities that the mayor has that

[2:03:37] you take pretty seriously, and I I

[2:03:39] appreciate the thought that's gone into

[2:03:41] recent planning commission appointees.

[2:03:44] Um, and Megan Johnson

[2:03:48] and Darren Miller being the two

[2:03:50] candidates, uh, to replace Todd Mitchell

[2:03:53] and Shauna Warick. I had an opportunity

[2:03:55] yesterday to meet with Darren and to go

[2:03:57] over some of the just fundamental duties

[2:03:59] of planning commissioners and that sort

[2:04:00] of a thing. Not to jump the gun, but

[2:04:03] look forward to meeting with Megan next

[2:04:04] week to do the same thing. And couldn't

[2:04:07] be more excited. I meant what I said

[2:04:09] about being sad about saying Shauna

[2:04:11] stepped down. I really need to take a

[2:04:14] minute to say the same thing about Todd.

[2:04:17] He works off and out of town. That's the

[2:04:20] case tonight. So, he couldn't be here.

[2:04:22] Um, otherwise I think he would have been

[2:04:25] and I can't say enough good things about

[2:04:27] Todd. Um,

[2:04:30] I'll go ahead and mention this. I I

[2:04:33] wasn't sure after his first three-year

[2:04:35] term that he wanted to serve another

[2:04:39] three-year [snorts] term. Uh, was really

[2:04:41] happy that he accepted, you know, that

[2:04:44] uh that opportunity. and he has been the

[2:04:48] chairman of the planning commission now

[2:04:50] for three years which is a really really

[2:04:52] long run actually has served for seven

[2:04:55] um also a really long run and he's been

[2:04:59] a rock uh with Todd I think you know

[2:05:02] what he's thinking I think you know why

[2:05:04] he's thinking it and um he's very

[2:05:07] pragmatic and practical just wants

[2:05:09] things this is my my view of Todd and

[2:05:13] what he's brought to discussions and his

[2:05:15] service for the city very pragmatic,

[2:05:19] wants to make sure that things work,

[2:05:22] that details are covered and that sort

[2:05:24] of a thing. And at the same time, I

[2:05:27] think you know how far he's willing to

[2:05:29] bend on something that he cares about

[2:05:31] and he's stuck to his his ideals and

[2:05:34] what he's felt has been best for the

[2:05:36] city. Um and I think uh sometimes you

[2:05:40] get a chance to see maybe how people um

[2:05:44] uh develop new skill sets through

[2:05:47] service on like a planning commission

[2:05:49] and uh he became very very capable of

[2:05:53] running discussions really really well

[2:05:56] and of course that that's great on

[2:05:59] nights when you have a full agenda and a

[2:06:02] lot of different people to hear from and

[2:06:03] that sort of thing. So, like Shauna,

[2:06:05] he's certainly going to be missed. Um,

[2:06:09] thanks for the liberty to to mention

[2:06:11] that about Todd. Um, that's certainly

[2:06:13] genuinely how I feel. And, uh, again,

[2:06:16] Darren Miller, who we plan to have start

[2:06:20] serving tomorrow night. Uh, and then

[2:06:24] Megan Johnson, who's looking forward to starting to take Shauna's place then

[2:06:28] in September. Couldn't be more excited

[2:06:30] to have them on board.

[2:06:32] >> Perfect. Any questions about those fine

[2:06:35] folks that Dave's mentioned?

[2:06:37] >> No, they'll be great.

[2:06:39] >> I think I just want to add like we

[2:06:40] really listen to them and appreciate the

[2:06:43] time [clears throat] and energy they all

[2:06:44] put in. Like that's a lot that's a lot

[2:06:46] of years. I mean, how many of you have

[2:06:49] served as commissioners? Three.

[2:06:51] >> Three of you. And it's it's a lot of

[2:06:53] work. We listen and we trust and respect

[2:06:56] what you guys have to say. We may not

[2:06:58] always

[2:06:59] >> agree at the end, but it doesn't mean we

[2:07:01] didn't listen. we may have got more

[2:07:03] information by the time we have it on

[2:07:06] our agenda and and just make a different

[2:07:09] decision, but I think that's just the

[2:07:11] process of it. So, to all of our

[2:07:13] commissioners, thank you.

[2:07:16] >> Very well said. I hope Todd can make it

[2:07:18] to a future council meeting so we can

[2:07:20] have him stand up here and talk like we

[2:07:22] did Shauna. He's been a great asset to

[2:07:24] it to the city. Um, and uh, and yeah, I

[2:07:29] hope Megan and Darren weren't listening

[2:07:31] to the parts where we where we told

[2:07:33] Shauna she got thick skin and she

[2:07:35] admitted it, but that's what they're

[2:07:37] about to step into. Uh, but both uh,

[2:07:40] [clears throat]

[2:07:42] shameless plug for Jack's um,

[2:07:46] Spanish University 101 coming up and

[2:07:49] those uh, are open now or coming up.

[2:07:52] Open, Jack.

[2:07:53] >> Yeah, application closes on Friday at

[2:07:55] noon. So this week

[2:07:57] >> uh you can apply I know who were asking

[2:08:00] here to serve on the planning commission

[2:08:03] have been Spanishfor university students

[2:08:05] and um learned that much more about

[2:08:07] their city. So there's your plug. Um one

[2:08:11] way or the other join Spanish university

[2:08:14] you might get asked to serve on other

[2:08:16] stuff. Uh but you will you will learn

[2:08:18] about your city too. So, uh, those are

[2:08:20] my appointments that I'd like to present

[2:08:23] in front of the council to serve those

[2:08:24] vacancies.

[2:08:26] >> There's a reappoint on there for airport

[2:08:27] board member as well,

[2:08:29] >> which you and Stacy are currently on the

[2:08:31] airport board.

[2:08:32] >> The airport board commissioner, too. He

[2:08:34] does a great job.

[2:08:37] >> Yeah, it's great.

[2:08:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. Matt Taylor, right?

[2:08:40] >> Yep.

[2:08:40] >> Um, Matt Taylor has uh agreed to serve

[2:08:44] on our on our airport board again and uh

[2:08:47] we're grateful for him. He's a good good

[2:08:48] pilot and uh and a good good asset on

[2:08:52] that board.

[2:08:52] >> Great.

[2:08:53] >> So, uh there you go. Megan Johnson,

[2:08:55] Darren Miller to the planning commission

[2:08:57] and reappoint Matt Taylor to the airport

[2:08:59] board. Uh if somebody would like to make

[2:09:01] that motion and vote on it, we can do

[2:09:03] that.

[2:09:08] » I move to appoint Megan Johnson and uh

[2:09:10] Darren Miller to the planning commission

[2:09:12] and reappoint of Matt Taylor to the

[2:09:15] airport board. Second.

[2:09:18] >> Motion made by Councilman Tuk, second by

[2:09:20] Councilman Marshall. Says we can do this

[2:09:21] in all in favor. All in favor say yes.

[2:09:24] >> Yes.

[2:09:26] >> Those are approved. Okay.

[2:09:30] Now, we're at our discussion uh on the

[2:09:32] agenda before we go into close session.

[2:09:35] Uh

[2:09:36] David, would are you taking this one,

[2:09:38] too?

[2:09:41] >> Again. Thank you, Mayor. Yes. I'm going

[2:09:42] to start and pretty quickly turn things

[2:09:44] off to Mr. Pierce before then we turn

[2:09:47] things off to Jeff Chavez and maybe his

[2:09:51] team at Valition. Um we appreciate them

[2:09:53] being here tonight. Um just to to maybe

[2:09:57] broadly set the stage for what we're

[2:09:59] discussing here. for the past couple of

[2:10:01] years, I feel like particularly for the

[2:10:03] past couple of years, um, as city staff,

[2:10:07] kind of being sometimes the first people

[2:10:09] that are contacted with the city about

[2:10:11] different development opportunities and

[2:10:13] that sort of a thing.

[2:10:16] More and more frequently, we've been

[2:10:17] approached by companies that are looking

[2:10:20] to use a lot of power, um, lots of

[2:10:24] different types of companies. There's a

[2:10:26] food food manufacturer three or four

[2:10:28] years ago that would have been the

[2:10:32] city's largest power user if they had

[2:10:34] landed in the community. Um, more

[2:10:37] recently, there's a company that

[2:10:39] manufactures synthetic graphite that

[2:10:41] would have really set the bar in terms

[2:10:44] of using a lot of power. maybe set the

[2:10:47] bar differently, but um it worked with

[2:10:52] very well-known company here a few years

[2:10:55] ago. I realize now as I describe this,

[2:10:57] these are all companies that ultimately

[2:10:58] didn't land in Spanish Fort, but they forced us to think about how we'd

[2:11:03] provide power to them. There's a company

[2:11:05] that's going to build uh a multi-million

[2:11:07] square foot uh warehouse and

[2:11:10] distribution facility that would have

[2:11:11] been almost 100% automated and again

[2:11:14] really really big power user. Tonight

[2:11:15] we'll talk about data centers as just

[2:11:17] another um particular type of of land

[2:11:20] use that uses a lot of power. Um but

[2:11:24] we've started to look at uh issues

[2:11:26] related to how uh Spanish Fork City and

[2:11:30] maybe even UMPA would serve uh certain

[2:11:32] types of customers. uh with that here

[2:11:35] earlier this year we started to have

[2:11:37] some of us and council member Tuk has

[2:11:39] been a great member of kind of an ad hoc

[2:11:41] committee that we formed with staff and

[2:11:43] people from PA to investigate different

[2:11:46] options um opportunities hurdles

[2:11:48] challenges things related to serving

[2:11:52] customers that would need more power

[2:11:54] than uh what we've dealt with in the

[2:11:56] past in Spanish Fork today hedro is the

[2:12:00] city's largest power user um I think Um

[2:12:04] to provide a little bit of context, when

[2:12:06] we're maxed out with our power use as a

[2:12:09] whole city, I think we're at about 90

[2:12:11] megawws now.

[2:12:14] >> Wow. Okay. So, yeah, this right now is

[2:12:18] the time of year when collectively the

[2:12:22] most power is being used. Hedro uses, I

[2:12:24] want to say maybe four megawws. And

[2:12:26] we've talked with some companies, for

[2:12:29] example, the graphite manufacturer, they

[2:12:31] wanted to use 20. So we go from having

[2:12:34] our largest power user potentially being

[2:12:36] four up to five times that. And those

[2:12:39] things, they they can impact our system

[2:12:42] in various ways. um uh for companies

[2:12:44] that are connected to Spanish Fork City

[2:12:47] Power, we've been looking at again how

[2:12:49] to how to appropriately plan for and to

[2:12:53] serve pot companies like that. Um and uh

[2:12:58] through kind of the same period of time,

[2:12:59] we've started to look at some other

[2:13:00] options. Um, we've visited a company in

[2:13:05] California that manufactures equipment

[2:13:08] that allows for power to be generated on

[2:13:11] site and potentially [snorts] even for

[2:13:13] customers not to tie into or companies

[2:13:15] not to tie into the grid. We'll talk

[2:13:17] more about that later tonight. Um, uh,

[2:13:20] that happened

[2:13:22] just a few months ago. We've had some

[2:13:24] conversations with the city council

[2:13:25] after that. And um I think this

[2:13:29] discussion right now is particularly

[2:13:31] timely because after having again

[2:13:33] discussed this for quite some time,

[2:13:35] looked at a lot of different scenarios

[2:13:36] and options, uh there is a text

[2:13:38] amendment that's will be considered

[2:13:40] tomorrow night by the planning

[2:13:42] commission where they'll have the

[2:13:43] opportunity at least to make a

[2:13:44] recommendation on some changes to our

[2:13:46] zoning code to allow for some land uses

[2:13:49] that had never before really been

[2:13:51] contemplated in Spanish Fork. Um again,

[2:13:54] we'll talk at least briefly about that

[2:13:56] tonight. and you likely will see that on

[2:13:59] a future agenda. So again, just kind of

[2:14:01] high level. That's my longer than I

[2:14:04] thought it'd be introduction, but I'll

[2:14:06] let you take it from there, Corey,

[2:14:07] unless you have any questions for me.

[2:14:09] >> Questions for Dave before Corey?

[2:14:12] >> Thanks, Dave.

[2:14:15] >> Um, I'll just take a minute and talk

[2:14:17] about a few of the things we've been

[2:14:19] trying to research, address, um, as

[2:14:22] we've met as a large load committee. Um,

[2:14:26] one of the things we're working towards

[2:14:28] is a policy to address a lot of the

[2:14:30] questions. I think we heard in the the

[2:14:32] public comments concerns that are

[2:14:34] environmental, and I appreciate those.

[2:14:36] Um, we've been looking at that um, in a

[2:14:39] lot of different ways. But here's some

[2:14:41] of the goals of a policy we're putting

[2:14:43] together. This is kind of to give the

[2:14:46] direction we're thinking and also are we

[2:14:49] missing things that the council would

[2:14:50] like us to talk about research

[2:14:53] um and dig deeper on to to work into

[2:14:56] this policy. So on a on a broad high

[2:14:58] level we're looking at uh protecting the

[2:15:01] existing customers and the city

[2:15:03] infrastructure. Um, as these large loads

[2:15:05] come in, there's often a lot of in

[2:15:07] infrastructure costs and other things

[2:15:09] that get put there. And we want to make

[2:15:11] sure um that our system is taken care of

[2:15:14] and that those users are paying their

[2:15:17] way and it's not supplemented by other

[2:15:19] users. Um, UNMPA is the organization

[2:15:23] that uh provides our power generation.

[2:15:26] They have some requirements and bond

[2:15:28] covenants and other agreements in place

[2:15:30] that we need to research as as large companies or large power users

[2:15:36] come in to make sure that we're meeting

[2:15:38] all those requirements as well as some

[2:15:40] of the regional regulations.

[2:15:43] Um cost recovery. We want to ensure uh

[2:15:47] again that growth pays for growth, that

[2:15:49] that's not a burden that existing

[2:15:51] residents or you

[2:15:55] need to supplement. Um environmental

[2:15:58] sustainability um as we look at the

[2:16:00] general plan, air quality, water

[2:16:03] quality, all the things that we hear, uh

[2:16:06] noise mitigation, emission controls,

[2:16:08] heat as was mentioned tonight, and many

[2:16:11] other things. We want to make sure we

[2:16:13] understand uh the impacts there. Um as

[2:16:16] well as what's the economic benefit to the city. Is there you know great job

[2:16:23] growth uh high value jobs, capital

[2:16:25] investment? What are the ways that the

[2:16:27] city benefits as these large users come

[2:16:29] in?

[2:16:31] This maybe gives a preview or a little

[2:16:33] thought of how we would break down

[2:16:36] uh users that come in. Um users that are

[2:16:41] under 1.5 megawws would just kind of go

[2:16:44] through the normal process, our our

[2:16:46] zoning regulations and ordinances. Um

[2:16:50] we've kind of divi defined large users

[2:16:53] as those above 1.5 megawws. Um and if

[2:16:57] they're above 1.5, uh there would be

[2:17:00] some things written into the policy

[2:17:02] we're preparing as well as oversight to

[2:17:06] make sure we're doing things right. And

[2:17:08] as it that gets larger, often we have to

[2:17:11] get Pacific Corp involved in doing a

[2:17:14] system impact analysis.

[2:17:17] And then as we get larger, you'll see

[2:17:19] there as we get into data center talk

[2:17:21] and other large users, we're talking 50

[2:17:24] megawws and sometimes well beyond that.

[2:17:27] That's again that Dave mentioned, we're

[2:17:31] 90 95 megawws as a city. It's it's hard

[2:17:34] to contemplate um the amount of energy

[2:17:36] that it takes to do this. Um so there's

[2:17:39] a there's a lot more regulation and

[2:17:41] studies that need to go in loads that

[2:17:44] large. How can uh Pacific Corp or Rocky

[2:17:48] Mountain Power bring that power in? And

[2:17:50] then uh it run through UNMPA to us. Uh

[2:17:56] and then also how do we work with

[2:17:58] islanded data centers? Dave mentioned

[2:18:00] we've looked at some different

[2:18:02] generation and and as Seth said he we

[2:18:05] wanted to see, touch, feel, smell,

[2:18:08] listen to um these technologies and what

[2:18:12] might that impact. So that's that's a

[2:18:15] lot of the things we've been working

[2:18:17] through. One of the tools we're thinking

[2:18:20] um that would be for large power users

[2:18:22] is a a master electrical service

[2:18:24] agreement. Entities like Rocky Mountain

[2:18:27] Power use these quite a bit. um to just

[2:18:30] outline the large investment and make

[2:18:32] sure it's understood. Um so we would

[2:18:36] contemplate two agreements. One's uh for

[2:18:40] construction, who's funding what

[2:18:42] improvements to to get the

[2:18:44] infrastructure to the site? Um and what

[2:18:47] assurances are there that that would get

[2:18:49] built and what are the timelines for

[2:18:51] those? And then as that uh turns over to

[2:18:55] a user actually using power, how is it

[2:18:58] operating and are we capturing the

[2:19:00] costs? Are we protecting the city in the

[2:19:02] way we want? So just a few of the goals

[2:19:06] of of a master electrical service

[2:19:09] agreement. Um what upfront guarantees

[2:19:12] are are there going to be that the

[2:19:14] infrastructure gets built and used?

[2:19:16] Often you see as we build shell

[2:19:18] buildings in our industrial areas and

[2:19:20] we're seeing more of those often those

[2:19:23] are built not knowing what's going to go

[2:19:24] in them and those that are developing

[2:19:27] and want to be able to advertise

[2:19:30] about anything. So often they're saying

[2:19:32] we need a large transformer because we

[2:19:35] could have a large user in and then when

[2:19:39] a typical warehouse comes in and it just

[2:19:41] keeps the lights on. That transformer is

[2:19:44] oversized. Um, and we have an asset

[2:19:47] that's out there that we have to

[2:19:49] maintain that's very expensive and we're

[2:19:51] not running enough power for it through

[2:19:53] it to cover the cost of it. Um, so that would be some of the things that we

[2:19:59] look at. We've we've talked about do we

[2:20:02] on a shell building limit upfront

[2:20:05] capacity? In other words, we stall we

[2:20:08] install a smaller transformer that can

[2:20:10] get them through the tenant

[2:20:12] improvements, but as they find a user

[2:20:14] and we understand what goes in there and

[2:20:17] we have a load sheet, then we can upsize

[2:20:19] a transformer and rightsize that uh for

[2:20:23] what's going in. Um,

[2:20:28] one of the things along that same line

[2:20:29] as properties uh go forward in time and

[2:20:32] maybe that large load goes away and

[2:20:35] another

[2:20:37] uh user gets into the building that

[2:20:39] doesn't need that much power. We'd like

[2:20:41] the provision to be able to the term

[2:20:43] claw back or get back some of that

[2:20:45] capacity. In other words, uh downsize

[2:20:49] this transformer to what's needed today

[2:20:51] so that we can then use that capacity

[2:20:53] elsewhere in the city and not have to

[2:20:56] reserve capacity for something that's

[2:20:58] not being used. Um and then if they

[2:21:01] exceed that, are there penalties or how

[2:21:03] do we deal with that? So there's a lot

[2:21:05] of terms that would work into the

[2:21:06] details.

[2:21:08] Operational type items are

[2:21:11] often just because we build the

[2:21:13] infrastructure to get it there. it

[2:21:14] doesn't necessarily guarantee the power

[2:21:16] can get there. And so there would be

[2:21:18] provisions in the agreement to to make

[2:21:20] sure we all understand that um that

[2:21:23] there's not this feeling of I own

[2:21:25] something that can't be delivered today.

[2:21:29] Um

[2:21:31] and then operational constraints um

[2:21:35] specific power quality um they would

[2:21:38] have to meet to ensure that it's not

[2:21:41] causing problems with our system.

[2:21:44] Um and then how do we terminate you know

[2:21:47] if if if a company decides to leave how

[2:21:51] does this agreement

[2:21:53] >> [snorts]

[2:21:53] >> uh terminate to move on then then to a

[2:21:56] new user. So those are some of the

[2:21:58] things we've been discussing looking at

[2:22:00] the tools we look to use for for these

[2:22:02] large power loads. So, um, any

[2:22:05] suggestions, any any questions that that

[2:22:09] we as a committee could look at or

[2:22:11] research to help answer some of these

[2:22:15] really difficult

[2:22:17] problems as as things come in.

[2:22:21] >> Corey, there I think the way you've laid

[2:22:23] this out makes a ton of sense. I'm

[2:22:24] curious. [snorts] Um, an applicant comes

[2:22:28] to the city, they're over one and a half

[2:22:32] megawatts puts them in this other

[2:22:34] category. What's the decision-making

[2:22:36] process? Is it strictly staff

[2:22:40] facilitating in this conversation?

[2:22:41] There's no legislative action by the

[2:22:44] city council at any point in this

[2:22:46] process. It doesn't look like it to me.

[2:22:48] >> I I think and and I maybe would look

[2:22:51] Devon a little bit or others. If we have

[2:22:54] a master electrical services agreement,

[2:22:57] >> who Okay. Is it a council approval that

[2:23:01] um typically that's where those types of

[2:23:03] agreements would [clears throat] go? It

[2:23:05] could be if there was a template that

[2:23:08] city council liked that they would off

[2:23:10] authorize perhaps city managers or

[2:23:12] others to sign that could work. I think

[2:23:15] that would be the the place to capture

[2:23:19] that legislative oversight to say yes,

[2:23:22] this is important to our town and and we

[2:23:24] want to do that as well as the other

[2:23:27] processes through um subdivisions and things that would cross your path.

[2:23:33] >> Sure. But some point these these things

[2:23:36] are coming into whatever zone they are

[2:23:38] in and they're permitted use or not

[2:23:40] permitted use. They're permitted use,

[2:23:43] [snorts] but yet they still need over a

[2:23:45] mega 1.5 megawatts. If there was no

[2:23:48] legislative touch point on that, we're

[2:23:49] out. Yeah.

[2:23:51] >> Could be a data center. It could be zoo.

[2:23:54] I don't whatever it is. Yeah. But we're

[2:23:57] out. There's not a decision for us to

[2:23:59] make with this process. So that's why

[2:24:01] I'm I mean we're the next topic is data

[2:24:05] center conversation. Um, and I'm sure

[2:24:08] the internet usage is going to go up as

[2:24:10] we start talking about data centers and

[2:24:12] it feels like this is sort of the

[2:24:15] not back door to facil to start the

[2:24:17] conversation, but it's it's it's

[2:24:19] something that's part of it. Absolutely

[2:24:22] 100%. Um [snorts] but I think I am

[2:24:26] concerned that whatever user generates

[2:24:29] or needs as much power um we look at it

[2:24:32] from a land use and zoning

[2:24:35] perspective as well on top of the power

[2:24:38] requirement

[2:24:40] >> absolutely

[2:24:40] >> and maybe we'll get there as part of the

[2:24:42] conversation but um I don't think it's a

[2:24:44] you check the energy box the power

[2:24:46] consumption box and you're permitted go

[2:24:48] forward I mean at one point a mega a one

[2:24:51] and a half megawatt user

[2:24:53] is a big [clears throat]

[2:24:54] a big user and Dave you rattled off some

[2:24:56] of the folks that aren't here but could

[2:24:58] have come here um and I think without a

[2:25:00] discussion from us I would be concerned

[2:25:02] that someone using that much power

[2:25:05] has no legislative action whatsoever

[2:25:07] >> that would require a title 15 change

[2:25:09] right because if you what you're saying

[2:25:11] is we you would want anything that's

[2:25:13] that high of a power user to come before

[2:25:15] the city council

[2:25:15] >> it' be almost with special use

[2:25:17] >> so then we would we would need to change

[2:25:18] the way that our code is currently

[2:25:20] writen because right now they don't

[2:25:22] how

[2:25:23] >> it's it's I'm putting it on the table as

[2:25:25] something should we talk about.

[2:25:27] >> That was my exact question except I no

[2:25:29] way would have articulated it as well as

[2:25:32] you did.

[2:25:34] >> I think that's important.

[2:25:35] >> I don't know. I I considered one of the

[2:25:37] examples that was coming. How do you do

[2:25:38] that? How do you have that conversation

[2:25:40] in a public meeting when that business

[2:25:43] or the property owners are still

[2:25:45] negotiating, trying to work things out

[2:25:48] and now we're trying to throw it out

[2:25:50] there publicly where they're still

[2:25:52] trying to do things behind the scenes?

[2:25:54] >> Absolutely. We I mean, you pull up Title

[2:25:56] 15 and you look at all the permitted

[2:25:58] uses within a zone. Um, some of them are

[2:26:02] special use, special what are they

[2:26:04] called?

[2:26:06] >> Potentially conditional uses.

[2:26:07] >> Conditional uses. um it's it would

[2:26:10] follow some more similar policy. You put those uses that we're concerned

[2:26:14] about in there and then we have the

[2:26:16] conversation,

[2:26:18] but it's it's it's not something I'm

[2:26:20] like, uh we need this for sure. Just as

[2:26:23] this all plays out and as we have a

[2:26:24] conversation around data centers,

[2:26:26] >> right?

[2:26:27] >> What is our touch point?

[2:26:30] » I Yeah, historically, I think

[2:26:34] it's the land use, right? And then it's

[2:26:36] the capacity of the system. I think

[2:26:38] that's today the the backs stop right so

[2:26:41] yeah if you want to change that

[2:26:43] >> this is policy here not necessarily u

[2:26:46] >> it's good policy I'm not

[2:26:49] policy so I don't think it has the the

[2:26:50] teeth that you might be looking for so

[2:26:52] if you want to look at that I think

[2:26:54] >> uh my question that I mouth to Van he's

[2:26:56] like I can't read your lips u is what is

[2:26:59] the legislative action in that

[2:27:02] [cough and clears throat] question that

[2:27:03] you're asking I don't know so we can we

[2:27:04] can talk through that

[2:27:05] >> and and we may not need it here if we're

[2:27:07] covered

[2:27:08] >> in another location.

[2:27:09] >> To your point, Shane, I understand why

[2:27:11] you're asking because if if the city's

[2:27:14] got the opportunity to bring in a

[2:27:15] company that's going to use 15 megawws

[2:27:18] to produce whatever and they employ a

[2:27:20] 100 people and generate a certain amount

[2:27:22] of tax revenue to the city as compared

[2:27:25] to three businesses that will produce

[2:27:28] the same amount of energy but employ a

[2:27:30] lot more people

[2:27:31] >> and generate a lot more revenue.

[2:27:35] Do you throw it to the one individual,

[2:27:38] you know, that came first or do you hope

[2:27:40] you can get the three? I mean, how how

[2:27:42] does that work when it's when it's not

[2:27:44] legislative and it's all

[2:27:46] >> I I think you're thinking that there's

[2:27:48] going to be like that you have

[2:27:49] >> there's more than one. Well, that that like we have the the the

[2:27:56] never- ending uh

[2:27:59] ability to serve that power like it's

[2:28:01] not it is a very much of if you are

[2:28:05] hooked to our system and and you're

[2:28:08] talking about this amount of power

[2:28:11] that's created somewhere and then having

[2:28:15] to be delivered that it it

[2:28:18] >> the economics of this stuff can restrict

[2:28:20] itself before government needs for sure

[2:28:24] to jump in and say let's put some more

[2:28:26] legislation and some more restrictions

[2:28:27] and let's talk about this.

[2:28:29] >> It's not an infinite resource once it's

[2:28:31] >> 100%

[2:28:32] >> gone. So

[2:28:34] >> yeah I I don't it feels like this is

[2:28:38] the the sequencing of the tonight's

[2:28:41] conversation seems backwards to me. This

[2:28:44] is a a an issue for any business

[2:28:47] requiring power anywhere in our city.

[2:28:50] There are this is a good policy to

[2:28:53] follow when anything over these limits

[2:28:56] come in.

[2:28:57] We're we don't necessarily need to be

[2:29:00] involved with these kind of

[2:29:01] conversations. If the front end of it is

[2:29:04] this is the use, it it complies with our

[2:29:06] policy or it doesn't comply with our

[2:29:08] policy.

[2:29:08] >> That's where I want to talk about

[2:29:10] >> once it gets to here. We've almost said

[2:29:13] that makes sense, right?

[2:29:15] >> Yeah. Whatever that whatever that thing is industry,

[2:29:18] whatever it is, if it meets our

[2:29:20] requirements, right,

[2:29:21] >> we can't then pick and choose.

[2:29:23] >> Correct. And then then I think Mike,

[2:29:24] you're spot on. The the market is going

[2:29:28] to dictate most of this and we won't

[2:29:30] have to get into that business.

[2:29:32] Um,

[2:29:33] that's why I I I appreciate that we need

[2:29:35] this absolutely 100% because there are

[2:29:38] some big users out there. Um, and we

[2:29:42] need to protect ourselves, but

[2:29:46] it's it's the use of the property that

[2:29:49] really matters.

[2:29:51] Um, and I guess we'll get that in the

[2:29:54] second comma of this conversation.

[2:29:57] >> [snorts]

[2:29:57] >> You know, I want to draw a distinction

[2:30:00] between this discussion and most of what

[2:30:03] you're going to hear from valition

[2:30:05] about, but for like what we see in that

[2:30:08] last row there,

[2:30:09] >> the island and data center,

[2:30:12] >> this really does not apply to that. So,

[2:30:14] >> I I agree with you. That's I I

[2:30:17] appreciate you saying that, Dave,

[2:30:18] because I think

[2:30:19] >> um [snorts] if I'm out there listening

[2:30:21] tonight, and I think we got an email,

[2:30:22] you got an email data centers. No. Um, I

[2:30:26] heard a topic that's data centers and we

[2:30:28] started the conversation about power and

[2:30:32] I'm thinking are these Yahoos sneaking

[2:30:35] this data center conversation through a

[2:30:38] power lens? That's not the intent

[2:30:39] tonight. I think the intent is twofold.

[2:30:42] We need this regardless of the

[2:30:44] presentation we're going to hear because

[2:30:45] there are users that need more power.

[2:30:48] Some of them happen to be data centers.

[2:30:49] So, I think this is a good conversation

[2:30:51] to have, but you're right. It's not to generate the next

[2:30:56] presentation.

[2:30:57] >> It really isn't. Now, there there can be

[2:31:00] a connection. Certainly.

[2:31:01] >> Yeah. We put the words on the thing. So,

[2:31:03] there's a connection. Yes. But not the

[2:31:05] >> And [snorts] I think this goes without

[2:31:06] saying, but just to be clear, and I'll

[2:31:08] let anybody that's been involved tell me

[2:31:11] if I'm wrong, but everything that we've

[2:31:13] talked about so far, these are ideas.

[2:31:17] These are policy ideas. It's draft.

[2:31:21] Um, we've discussed it several times. I

[2:31:23] think um, with us and advice that we've

[2:31:27] received from UNMPA, I think we're

[2:31:29] getting pretty comfortable that in terms

[2:31:32] of what we'd recommend that the council

[2:31:33] consider, I think that probably would be

[2:31:36] forthcoming maybe in just a matter of

[2:31:38] weeks, but not not set in stone. Um, and

[2:31:42] maybe as much as it might just introduce

[2:31:45] this to you in this forum. So,

[2:31:47] >> and this is a touch point for us. on I

[2:31:49] can't remember when we had this

[2:31:50] conversation and work session where it

[2:31:53] was kind of a one two three not it and I

[2:31:55] think Landon was the slowest one to say

[2:31:57] not it so we got put on this committee

[2:32:00] [laughter]

[2:32:01] >> this is a touch point for us to see our

[2:32:03] you know in terms of this overarching

[2:32:04] policy how are we doing along with that

[2:32:07] this policy does say and and I think

[2:32:10] it's important to highlight the concept

[2:32:13] of an islanded user

[2:32:16] is really an uncomfortable one for us

[2:32:19] because we don't want anybody to just

[2:32:21] disconnect from the grid. We want it to

[2:32:23] be connected to our system. And so this

[2:32:26] does also address

[2:32:28] when somebody could disconnect from the

[2:32:31] grid or not ever connect from the grid

[2:32:33] and have an islanded use. I think we

[2:32:36] probably misidentify that and say

[2:32:38] islanded data center. I guess it could

[2:32:40] be anybody. Doesn't necessarily have to

[2:32:42] be a data center, right?

[2:32:43] >> Way to phrase it. Yeah. But we're we're

[2:32:45] targeting that as a user greater than 50

[2:32:48] megawatts, which is huge, right? That's

[2:32:50] half the town right now. And and we

[2:32:52] don't know if that's the right number,

[2:32:53] but right now Jake is saying, "Hey,

[2:32:55] let's set that number high because we

[2:32:57] want to provide the power and we want to

[2:32:58] work through that." But candidly, if

[2:33:00] anybody wanted to use 50 megawatts of

[2:33:03] power, it would require probably at

[2:33:05] least two new substations.

[2:33:09] uh probably a connected power line that

[2:33:13] goes from a point where the 138 line

[2:33:15] ends to where it can connect to another

[2:33:17] 138 KV substation which is probably 30

[2:33:20] million or $40 million. So if somebody

[2:33:22] wanted to use 40 mega 40 megawatts of

[2:33:24] power on the system, it's only going to

[2:33:26] happen with a significant amount of talk

[2:33:28] and and conversation because it's not

[2:33:30] there today.

[2:33:31] >> Sure. and and so yeah, we so as far as

[2:33:35] this goes, we're wanting to make sure

[2:33:37] are we headed in a good direction as a group because we don't want to keep

[2:33:42] fleshing this out if if we're missing

[2:33:44] the mark from your perspective on some

[2:33:46] things.

[2:33:47] >> And that's where that's where I'm

[2:33:48] getting at on like the the above one and

[2:33:51] a half megawatts there subject to this

[2:33:53] po to this policy and UNMPA oversight

[2:33:56] and Pacific Core system. you were

[2:33:58] talking about the organization that

[2:33:59] we're part of a power consortium of that

[2:34:03] this is how much power we can produce is

[2:34:06] this is how much we can buy on the

[2:34:07] market and then Pacific Corp how much

[2:34:09] they would even sell us and so there's

[2:34:12] some parameters in there that that are

[2:34:14] certainly beyond just us saying yeah

[2:34:18] that you know come or not come who

[2:34:20] depending who who you are that's a lot

[2:34:23] of study that's a lot of money that's a

[2:34:25] lot of things to say are you sure you

[2:34:27] need that kind of that kind of power in

[2:34:28] the first place. But

[2:34:29] >> for sure if you that kind of power,

[2:34:31] you're generating something that's

[2:34:32] making you money.

[2:34:34] >> No doubt. And I think part of my part of

[2:34:36] my concern is not not the policy at all.

[2:34:39] I think you've done a great job of

[2:34:40] outlining this. It's probably just the

[2:34:41] way we put it on the agenda as large

[2:34:45] power users, island power and data

[2:34:48] centers. I can see people going large

[2:34:50] power users, island power equal data

[2:34:53] center. And it's that's not the that's

[2:34:55] not the conversation we're having

[2:34:56] tonight. It's large power users and a

[2:34:59] conversation

[2:35:01] well island power. Next topic let's talk

[2:35:05] about data centers. So it's probably

[2:35:07] just in my head I'm just semantics a

[2:35:10] little bit but um I want to make sure

[2:35:12] that we have a very open and transparent

[2:35:14] conversation over the next 16 hours.

[2:35:18] Just buckle up.

[2:35:21] >> I'm just kidding. Um but it's

[2:35:25] >> [laughter]

[2:35:26] >> eight seconds.

[2:35:27] >> It's it's it it's given the impression

[2:35:31] that we are our only concern is power

[2:35:34] and I think we're going to figure out

[2:35:37] we'll be we'll show the public in the

[2:35:39] next, you know, 30 minutes of

[2:35:40] conversation. It's not our only problem.

[2:35:42] So anyway, this is good data. I think

[2:35:44] you're heading in the right direction,

[2:35:45] Corey.

[2:35:46] um figure out where the legislative

[2:35:48] touch points are or are not and keep the

[2:35:52] thing moving.

[2:35:54] >> Yeah. And I I think it's worth noting,

[2:35:56] you know, as Dave mentioned, we've had

[2:35:58] several users. He highlighted a few, but

[2:36:00] Jake would tell you he gets calls

[2:36:02] weekly.

[2:36:02] >> Sure.

[2:36:03] >> And Dave would tell you he gets calls

[2:36:04] weekly. And that's and often it's like,

[2:36:07] boy, what what do we do with this?

[2:36:09] Because it's so far from a power

[2:36:12] standpoint beyond what we're used to

[2:36:15] today. and what is that process? And

[2:36:18] that's this policy procedure thought

[2:36:20] here.

[2:36:22] And yeah, a lot of this probably

[2:36:23] shouldn't say data center in that

[2:36:25] regard. It's there because that's a lot

[2:36:28] of what requests we're getting in the

[2:36:30] environment we're in right now.

[2:36:32] >> But it's not just that. This is the

[2:36:33] intent for all large loads. And if it

[2:36:36] gets in a certain what is the process,

[2:36:38] what is the legislative touch points? I

[2:36:41] think that's important. And today we

[2:36:43] haven't looked at it from that. We've

[2:36:44] looked at it from a loading point um and

[2:36:48] maybe need to focus some effort in of

[2:36:50] Yeah. How do we how do we get these

[2:36:51] touch points?

[2:36:52] >> Okay.

[2:36:54] >> Thank you.

[2:36:55] >> Anything else for Dave or Corey?

[2:36:59] You got some more slides before we

[2:37:01] >> Nope.

[2:37:02] That's it.

[2:37:04] >> Finish [snorts] the handoff here if

[2:37:05] that's okay.

[2:37:05] >> Yep.

[2:37:06] >> Um

[2:37:08] Mr. Chavez, you ready? I think we're

[2:37:10] ready to go.

[2:37:13] Jeff's very capable at describing what

[2:37:15] he would like to do in Spanish Fork.

[2:37:17] I've appreciated the opportunity to get

[2:37:18] to know more about the concept and we're

[2:37:21] excited tonight to have him share it

[2:37:23] with you and the rest of the community.

[2:37:24] So that's it. Thank you.

[2:37:30] » Thank you. Uh Mr. Oh, go ahead.

[2:37:32] >> State your name for Terara so she gets

[2:37:34] it on the record.

[2:37:34] >> Jeff Chavez, CEO of Valition.

[2:37:37] >> Thank you.

[2:37:39] And do we know Tara if sound will play

[2:37:41] on a video clip?

[2:37:43] >> Yes.

[2:37:43] >> Okay.

[2:37:44] >> Jack.

[2:37:44] >> Just check.

[2:37:46] >> Okay. Great.

[2:37:50] » Great.

[2:37:51] Uh Mr. Mayor and Council, it's good to

[2:37:53] be with you again. Appreciate you giving

[2:37:55] us time uh to continue this conversation

[2:37:59] and to the rest of the leadership here.

[2:38:02] Um, you know, I just wanted to say that

[2:38:05] regardless of where we land together,

[2:38:09] uh, it's really genuinely been a been a

[2:38:11] pleasure working with with the city of

[2:38:13] Spanish Fork, um, really it's been very

[2:38:16] collaborative. We began this

[2:38:17] conversation, um,

[2:38:20] probably in October or [clears throat]

[2:38:23] November, um, is where this all began

[2:38:27] from its, you know, initial

[2:38:29] consideration. And so anyway, we just

[2:38:32] appreciate the thoughtful um and

[2:38:34] collaborative approach.

[2:38:36] Um for a little bit of background,

[2:38:39] especially for those who may be hearing

[2:38:42] about this for the first time, um

[2:38:46] Valition um began

[2:38:50] in the power industry.

[2:38:53] So this company began as we um

[2:38:57] understood

[2:38:59] that power was accelerating as a major

[2:39:04] challenge and problem in the United

[2:39:07] States. So if we go back to the 2025

[2:39:12] 2015 2016 window,

[2:39:15] that's sort of the genesis of this

[2:39:19] [clears throat] company.

[2:39:21] As we began to see rapidly accelerating

[2:39:25] electricity rates, as we began to see uh

[2:39:29] utilities having to invest hundreds of

[2:39:32] millions of dollars into infrastructure

[2:39:35] throughout the country

[2:39:37] and then passing much of that cost

[2:39:40] through to

[2:39:42] uh homeowners and businesses

[2:39:45] um with a projection that indicated that

[2:39:47] this would continue um on a percentage

[2:39:50] basis. year-over-year.

[2:39:52] And so our um work began looking at

[2:39:58] um a combination of renewable solutions

[2:40:02] uh renewable water technology, renewable

[2:40:06] power generation technology.

[2:40:09] And that work uh led us to begin looking

[2:40:12] at how to build onsite power systems or

[2:40:16] micro grids uh to offset the cost of

[2:40:20] energy and to become a positive

[2:40:21] supplement uh to the grid by creating

[2:40:26] some type of offset.

[2:40:30] Somewhere in the 2023

[2:40:34] period, 2022 period, we began to really

[2:40:39] look closely at what was happening in

[2:40:41] the data center industry. Um, taking a

[2:40:45] broad look at large hyperscale data

[2:40:48] centers that had been built over the

[2:40:50] last 20 years and that were accelerating

[2:40:53] their application for deployment

[2:40:55] throughout the United States. And for

[2:40:58] context, we're talking about 50 megawws

[2:41:01] here. A hypers scale facility is looking

[2:41:04] to build projects that are in the one,

[2:41:07] two, three, four gigawatt

[2:41:10] uh power category. And those

[2:41:14] developments um

[2:41:17] have

[2:41:18] become cause for concern, especially

[2:41:22] some of those that were built um call it

[2:41:27] four years or later. Um, from a resource

[2:41:31] standpoint, from a water uh, waste

[2:41:34] standpoint, from a noise standpoint, and

[2:41:37] from a power demand standpoint.

[2:41:41] And so with our understanding of uh

[2:41:44] power generation

[2:41:47] um and in particular the n the US

[2:41:49] natural gas infrastructure

[2:41:52] its stability

[2:41:54] and its uh clean capability if utilized

[2:41:59] in in the right um deployment.

[2:42:03] we began to realize that uh we could

[2:42:06] innovate

[2:42:08] uh towards a data center infrastructure

[2:42:12] um that could be sustainable.

[2:42:22] And so our approach has been um

[2:42:25] especially in the last two years

[2:42:29] to really initiate a conversation with

[2:42:33] communities

[2:42:36] about the concerns that everybody is

[2:42:38] aware of. And um obviously the volume

[2:42:42] around data center concern has

[2:42:45] dramatically increased here in Utah and

[2:42:48] around the country um especially in the

[2:42:52] last just six months.

[2:42:54] We were already addressing these. We

[2:42:56] were already aware of them. And so we

[2:42:58] know what the the concerns are,

[2:43:00] electricity, noise, water, air quality.

[2:43:04] Um and our approach has been to address

[2:43:07] these uh transparently and openly.

[2:43:11] Part of what we've done as we have uh

[2:43:14] begun to consider

[2:43:16] um

[2:43:18] building a sustainable data center in

[2:43:22] Utah um has be has included an

[2:43:27] initiative where we've began to interact

[2:43:31] um even just with some small campaigns

[2:43:34] on Instagram. Um, I'm going to show you

[2:43:38] a a brief video

[2:43:41] um that has run and received over I

[2:43:46] think 300,000 impressions in Utah County

[2:43:49] as we begin to have this conversation.

[2:43:51] It's also allowed us to get some of the

[2:43:53] initial feedback as uh we position

[2:43:56] ourselves as an innovative solution. Let

[2:43:59] me pray play this uh two minutes quickly

[2:44:01] and then uh talk about how we're

[2:44:03] continuing our approach in um the

[2:44:07] dialogue with the community. Oops.

[2:44:13] You might have to click on

[2:44:21] you know. Oh, there we go. There's our

[2:44:24] link.

[2:44:28] I saw a link when you clicked on there

[2:44:40] » there.

[2:44:42] If we don't find it quickly, there may

[2:44:44] be a chance that

[2:44:46] it didn't remain embedded when we

[2:44:50] emailed it over.

[2:44:52] And there you go. This will work. Thank

[2:44:55] you.

[2:45:03] might need to hit volume.

[2:45:14] We didn't set out

[2:45:20] to build data centers.

[2:45:23] We began by looking for ways to reduce

[2:45:26] energy costs in communities across

[2:45:28] America.

[2:45:31] We realized soon after there was a

[2:45:34] better way to build data centers that

[2:45:37] worked for the community.

[2:45:40] That's our mission.

[2:45:43] We all know that there's no stopping our

[2:45:47] need for additional data. Data centers

[2:45:49] are going to be built whether we're

[2:45:50] comfortable with that or not. But growth

[2:45:53] at all costs can have a negative impact

[2:45:56] on communities. Data centers are

[2:45:58] dramatically stressing our grid. In many

[2:46:01] cases, they use huge amounts of excess

[2:46:03] water and most of them are not low

[2:46:05] emission. Our data centers are

[2:46:08] different.

[2:46:09] We don't require a huge amount of land

[2:46:11] and most importantly, we never touch the

[2:46:13] electric grid. We use no power from the

[2:46:16] local utility.

[2:46:18] Everything we build is based on our

[2:46:20] natural gas infrastructure with a fuel

[2:46:23] cell that runs with extremely low

[2:46:25] emissions.

[2:46:27] We use the same water over and over

[2:46:29] again.

[2:46:31] What's more, all of the technology we

[2:46:33] use on our properties are extremely

[2:46:36] quiet. We can do this better.

[2:46:40] Giving back and sharing resources with

[2:46:42] the community is at the center of our

[2:46:44] purpose. A share of every site's revenue

[2:46:47] flows straight back into the community

[2:46:49] that hosts it.

[2:46:51] At Valition, we've made a commitment to

[2:46:54] be a good neighbor.

[2:46:57] That's a promise we'll keep.

[2:47:08] So, um,

[2:47:11] it's been important, I think, useful for

[2:47:13] us to get, um, feedback. Feedback has

[2:47:16] been to some degree as expected. Um,

[2:47:20] many comments on Instagram that are, you

[2:47:22] know, what you might expect, like just a

[2:47:24] one-word response, liar, you know,

[2:47:27] things like that. Or that I'm running

[2:47:28] for Congress. There was another one on

[2:47:29] there that said, "Oh, no, for for uh the

[2:47:31] governorship," which is not true. Um,

[2:47:34] and that's okay. There are folks who um

[2:47:38] are concerned, and that's our purpose

[2:47:41] really to address those concerns. As we

[2:47:44] lead up to a potential approval of our

[2:47:48] text amendment um and the ability to

[2:47:51] produce power on site, we are hosting um

[2:47:56] a two-day open house that will be here

[2:47:59] at the library. The first session is

[2:48:02] next Thursday from 10:00 a.m. to 12:30

[2:48:05] and then the following day from 10:00

[2:48:08] a.m. to 12:30. And our intent is to

[2:48:12] allow for an environment where we can

[2:48:14] have um a clear conversation. This will

[2:48:18] be run as an open house where we will uh

[2:48:22] take maybe the first 10 minutes with an

[2:48:24] overview similar to this conversation,

[2:48:26] maybe one of these videos that we have.

[2:48:29] Um, I'll then give an overview of our

[2:48:32] design and our approach and then we will

[2:48:36] have uh kind of three or four little

[2:48:39] booth settings where we can one of our

[2:48:42] team members will be there to talk and

[2:48:44] take questions just about power, another

[2:48:46] one uh just about water, another one

[2:48:49] about sound, another one about the the

[2:48:52] proposed use of the existing building

[2:48:54] where we'd like um to stand up this

[2:48:58] facility. And so our intention is to be

[2:49:01] able to not just have community members

[2:49:03] maybe isolated to an hour-long meeting

[2:49:06] in a chamber where uh it's hard to

[2:49:10] address longer conversations.

[2:49:13] Um so we look forward to this. I think

[2:49:17] um this open house may also be uh should

[2:49:20] be informative I think for the city as

[2:49:22] well as you understand more directly how

[2:49:26] Spanish Fork um citizens may be

[2:49:29] responding to this proposal.

[2:49:33] >> Hey Jeff, can we can ask a question for

[2:49:35] everyone? Any chance you could do that

[2:49:37] Saturday between 10 and 12?

[2:49:40] >> Add a date

[2:49:41] >> or move a date?

[2:49:42] >> Need a day when people can come? It's

[2:49:44] tough to be there on a third day

[2:49:46] sometime.

[2:49:46] >> Yeah. You know, Shane, we're totally

[2:49:48] open to any recommendation. In fact,

[2:49:50] today we were sort of struggling with

[2:49:52] this conversation about the time both

[2:49:54] what was available here in the library.

[2:49:56] So, the evenings were both blocked out.

[2:49:59] Um, but we talked about Saturday, so

[2:50:02] we're open to adding a time on Saturday.

[2:50:06] Um, so if you point us in the right

[2:50:10] direction, we're we're willing to do

[2:50:12] more or different or different time

[2:50:15] frame.

[2:50:16] >> Okay.

[2:50:16] >> Um, h happy to do that,

[2:50:18] >> right?

[2:50:19] >> Yeah.

[2:50:21] >> Even if or something else was there.

[2:50:23] >> Yeah.

[2:50:25] >> So when we look at the, you know,

[2:50:28] overall question here, why a data center

[2:50:31] in Spanish Fork or how would a data

[2:50:33] center in Spanish Fork look? Um there

[2:50:36] are really kind of these five pillars.

[2:50:38] One is uh that we bring our own power.

[2:50:42] There is no request from the city to

[2:50:44] upgrade

[2:50:46] um or to do anything for that matter

[2:50:48] that would accommodate our needs. Uh the

[2:50:52] second is that our technology is near

[2:50:55] zero emission.

[2:50:57] We're also going to demonstrate how our

[2:50:59] use of this property

[2:51:02] um is much lower emission than if

[2:51:05] another tenant were to utilize the same

[2:51:08] property. We'll look at that in a

[2:51:09] minute. Um we use water extremely

[2:51:13] carefully and it's really a fraction of

[2:51:16] the water use that many people might

[2:51:18] expect. So we'll walk you through that

[2:51:21] briefly.

[2:51:22] um what we believe is a really

[2:51:25] productive use of an existing building.

[2:51:28] We're not requesting, you know, to buy

[2:51:31] land and to build something new on, you

[2:51:34] know, the the skyline here. Um and then

[2:51:38] um how we intend to ensure that our

[2:51:42] being in Spanish Fork is a positive uh

[2:51:46] in a variety of ways.

[2:51:49] So this first pillar um we literally

[2:51:52] bring our own power. Our system runs on

[2:51:57] natural gas.

[2:51:59] We have an off-grid fuel cell technology

[2:52:04] uh that I'll explain in just a moment.

[2:52:06] Um that requires no transmission

[2:52:08] upgrades, uh no rate impact, um no

[2:52:13] capacity

[2:52:15] uh taken from other tenants and

[2:52:17] businesses who uh intend to

[2:52:21] be here in Spanish Fork. There are no

[2:52:24] diesel generators. The reason we

[2:52:25] highlight this is just because diesel

[2:52:27] generators are at the center of the data

[2:52:30] center conversation. When uh community

[2:52:34] members have uh this incessant problem

[2:52:37] with noise and low hum, these are

[2:52:41] typically from backup generators running

[2:52:44] 247 and uh burning diesel. We have uh

[2:52:49] nothing, not even backup on our facility

[2:52:52] w with diesel generators. Um and we have

[2:52:55] already uh been approved by Embridge in

[2:52:59] the engineering and design to upgrade

[2:53:03] the amount of natural gas that comes

[2:53:05] into this property. Um it is a

[2:53:08] substantial cost and that is a cost that

[2:53:10] we uh that we bear completely

[2:53:14] independent of the city.

[2:53:18] This is a look at the bloom energy fuel

[2:53:20] cell. Um this technology um utilizes

[2:53:25] natural gas. When the natural gas comes

[2:53:27] into the fuel cell, there is a chemical

[2:53:31] reaction that occurs. The fuel is not

[2:53:34] burned. It is not consumed. The

[2:53:37] byproduct is heat and a small amount of

[2:53:41] water. Aside from the electricity that

[2:53:43] is created in this chemical reaction,

[2:53:47] uh there are there's over now over two

[2:53:50] gigawatts of this technology deployed

[2:53:52] throughout the world. It is a

[2:53:54] 25-year-old technology that has been

[2:53:57] tested and proven uh in over 1500 sites

[2:54:01] throughout the world. Um and we've built

[2:54:05] a great relationship with this company

[2:54:06] over the last u five years. It's a

[2:54:10] phenomenal alternative

[2:54:13] uh to existing power generation.

[2:54:17] Bloom is one of several throughout the

[2:54:19] world who uh develop a fuel cell um all

[2:54:25] of which run uh with very low emission.

[2:54:33] leading us into this next element that

[2:54:36] we focus on which is um our emissions

[2:54:39] and um in the Wasatch front um ozone

[2:54:44] non-attainment area there's a heavy

[2:54:46] focus on nitrogen oxides and um we fall

[2:54:51] below all state uh requirements

[2:54:54] significantly. In fact, uh we've just

[2:54:57] been given the initial uh source minor

[2:54:59] source permit has been approved by the

[2:55:02] Department of Environmental Quality here

[2:55:03] in the state of Utah. That just came

[2:55:05] through last week as they looked at all

[2:55:08] of the systems that uh that we provided

[2:55:11] for them to do research on. Um so we

[2:55:15] have uh near zero local air emissions

[2:55:18] and um our systems don't require any

[2:55:21] type of technological add-on to in any

[2:55:24] way improve their performance. This is

[2:55:27] their performance capability

[2:55:30] um out of the box so to speak.

[2:55:34] >> Hey Jeff, can you go back one? What was

[2:55:37] the permit you you have from DAQ?

[2:55:43] So the permit uh was run through uh

[2:55:46] Stantech who is you know primary

[2:55:50] facilitator.

[2:55:52] >> Um do we know the exact name of the

[2:55:54] permit Ryan? Do we

[2:56:00] » Yeah, it's it's called new minor source

[2:56:02] permit.

[2:56:04] >> Okay. So you have provided them data on

[2:56:08] your expected emissions. They evaluated.

[2:56:10] They agree with those and they said

[2:56:12] because of this

[2:56:14] lack of

[2:56:16] >> you have a permit to operate Bloom

[2:56:18] equipment in Utah County

[2:56:21] >> in Utah County and to the full extent

[2:56:24] that we propose which is over 250

[2:56:26] megawatts of power. So they looked at it

[2:56:28] collectively.

[2:56:29] >> Okay. uh a cumulative approval

[2:56:33] >> and the proposal here would be only 50

[2:56:36] would be only what 20% of that

[2:56:40] >> our proposal to build this facility

[2:56:43] facilitates up to 250 of power.

[2:56:46] >> Okay. Yeah. Thanks. I appreciate that.

[2:56:47] Okay.

[2:56:47] >> One question before you leave this page

[2:56:49] too. So that first box it says the

[2:56:51] natural gas not zero carbon

[2:56:54] >> near zero local air emissions and lowest

[2:56:56] available carbon at this scale. So what

[2:56:59] is so is carbon a byproduct that's being

[2:57:03] put into the atmosphere? I'm just trying

[2:57:04] to understand exa exactly

[2:57:06] >> all you know all um

[2:57:10] in this case Ryan do you want to address

[2:57:13] that phrasing?

[2:57:15] >> You want to start the mic for us that

[2:57:18] way we can everybody can hear you.

[2:57:21] >> Welcome from Spain.

[2:57:23] >> True. Yeah we forgot the

[2:57:27] So the question was what are the

[2:57:30] >> yeah what what are it's saying that it's

[2:57:32] near zero what is it what are the

[2:57:33] byproducts that are being put into the

[2:57:34] air if it's

[2:57:35] >> yes so there will be uh you know the

[2:57:37] major um let's say smog related would be

[2:57:42] um nitrous oxide nox

[2:57:45] um and there is

[2:57:48] um carbon monoxide and

[2:57:52] uh in the in the fuel ga in the um

[2:57:55] natural gas there's an additive

[2:57:57] of sulfur. Um so so it becomes because

[2:58:01] natural gas is

[2:58:04] not you know you can't smell it. So

[2:58:07] sulfur is added so that is scrubbed out

[2:58:10] of there and so there is a small amount

[2:58:12] of sulfur that sulfur uh oxide. So how I

[2:58:18] don't know like you said that you passed

[2:58:20] the emissions so I'm assuming that those

[2:58:21] are pretty stingent but like what would

[2:58:23] it be comparable to because I know

[2:58:24] there's a lot of cells a lot of fuel

[2:58:26] cells being put on the site.

[2:58:28] >> Yeah.

[2:58:28] >> How much are we looking at? Like so yeah

[2:58:32] in the permit um there is

[2:58:35] uh there's a total here.

[2:58:38] >> Um so like nitrogen oxide it's about uh

[2:58:41] five tons a year. Um the there's also

[2:58:45] particulate matter that that comes in at

[2:58:48] less than uh 0.1

[2:58:51] uh tons per year. The sulfur dioxide is

[2:58:54] 0.01 tons

[2:58:57] and um the carbon monoxide is 22 tons.

[2:59:01] >> 22 tonsal

[2:59:02] >> for the whole for the whole site.

[2:59:04] >> For the whole site per year.

[2:59:06] >> Yeah.

[2:59:08] So I think part of that question though

[2:59:09] Jesse was it says this is natural gas

[2:59:12] not zero carbon

[2:59:16] >> and then there was some question about

[2:59:18] you don't burn it so carbon isn't

[2:59:20] released like it's a little bit

[2:59:22] >> the phrasing of it I

[2:59:23] >> yeah you're right that could be more

[2:59:24] clear

[2:59:25] >> but there is there is some carbon

[2:59:28] expelled 22 tons a year

[2:59:29] >> what we can't say what this is

[2:59:31] attempting to clarify is we can't say

[2:59:33] that we are net zero

[2:59:35] >> totally yep And so this is just in the

[2:59:38] attempt to be real clear um that there

[2:59:41] is some byproduct and it's extremely low

[2:59:44] and I think some additional slides will

[2:59:46] help give you a comparable.

[2:59:47] >> Yeah, I think I think those numbers that

[2:59:49] Ryan put out there I think those are

[2:59:50] really important. Um but they need some

[2:59:53] context.

[2:59:54] >> Yeah, I think they're really important.

[2:59:55] Like we would know what those are.

[2:59:57] >> Come on. You don't know what they are.

[2:59:58] >> Yeah, [laughter]

[2:59:59] I know five tons is like a you know

[3:00:03] drop. That's my point is that we need

[3:00:04] some context around it and then there'll

[3:00:06] be

[3:00:06] >> yeah like if you would have said 500 I'd

[3:00:09] been like oh yeah that's right 500 tons

[3:00:10] [laughter] not five tons that makes

[3:00:12] sense

[3:00:12] >> but I do think there sometimes when

[3:00:14] there's a new technology that's low

[3:00:16] emission there's a tendency and I think

[3:00:19] many companies will um in their ambition

[3:00:22] say things like we're zero emission

[3:00:25] >> and while we are very low emission we

[3:00:29] want to be clear that we're very low

[3:00:31] emission town would like the straight

[3:00:34] talk.

[3:00:34] >> Yep. Yep.

[3:00:38] » Water is um

[3:00:41] uh really important. And um previous

[3:00:45] designs and engineering of data centers

[3:00:48] uh didn't um factor in water

[3:00:51] conservation very well at all, if ever.

[3:00:54] And so the reports that you hear about,

[3:00:58] you know, millions of gallons of water

[3:01:00] wasted, not annually, but weekly and in

[3:01:04] some cases daily, that's that's true.

[3:01:06] That happens and that's that's a

[3:01:09] concern. And so um before valition came

[3:01:14] along, many of the leading uh developers

[3:01:17] of technology began to address this

[3:01:20] issue. some of the major uh system

[3:01:23] developers like Carrier and Train

[3:01:26] uh began to innovate around uh a more

[3:01:29] dynamic solution that would allow data

[3:01:32] centers to run on what is a closed loop

[3:01:34] system. They're more expensive and so

[3:01:37] developers need to make a decision um

[3:01:40] about investing more in um a better

[3:01:44] technology and that's absolutely um our

[3:01:46] decision. So we utilize um a closed loop

[3:01:50] system that effectively allows us to

[3:01:52] utilize uh one fill in the system um

[3:01:57] almost in perpetuity and I'll I'll

[3:01:59] address the almost in in just a minute.

[3:02:01] Um but to give you context um when we

[3:02:05] fill this system which will provide

[3:02:07] enough uh power compute for up to 250

[3:02:11] megawws

[3:02:12] um which is you know again maybe a

[3:02:14] quarter of what you would consider a

[3:02:16] typical hyper hypers scale but still a

[3:02:18] large output. This is about equal to two

[3:02:22] Utah households

[3:02:24] for one year.

[3:02:27] In addition, there is an annual usage of

[3:02:30] 250,000

[3:02:32] gallons, which is about one household

[3:02:35] and that is used in parts of

[3:02:38] humidification

[3:02:39] in the system. Um but in the scheme of

[3:02:44] things uh this is a much lower usage

[3:02:47] than what is often discussed in media or

[3:02:52] uh whereas reference to legacy systems

[3:02:55] that are extremely wasteful. This is a

[3:02:59] modern system that um is not wasteful at

[3:03:03] all. So, we will not be requesting any

[3:03:06] additional water rights in any way from

[3:03:09] the city. And as a comparison,

[3:03:13] um if we used old technology, a system

[3:03:17] like this would utilize over 650 million

[3:03:21] gallons a year or 3,400

[3:03:25] households. just to give a comparison

[3:03:28] about how starkly efficient this is

[3:03:31] compared to previous data center

[3:03:33] designs.

[3:03:37] Wait, don't don't change. On the infill

[3:03:39] side, um you infill it once, use it for

[3:03:43] how long?

[3:03:46] >> So, the system is designed um as one

[3:03:50] fill, but here's some of the detail

[3:03:52] around where there may be a refill. Um

[3:03:57] we monitor the water daily. Um there is

[3:04:02] uh the possibility that around year

[3:04:04] seven or eight the glycol in the water

[3:04:10] um it can change its percentage to a

[3:04:13] point that if it dips below a certain

[3:04:15] percentage we are then in exposure for

[3:04:19] corrosion within our piping and with our

[3:04:21] within our direct chip cooling system.

[3:04:23] So if we at year seven or eight see an

[3:04:27] indication that the glycol level is

[3:04:29] changing in some way then there is a

[3:04:31] mechanism to replace or test or improve

[3:04:36] the water in the system. And the

[3:04:39] engineering is such that we're able to

[3:04:41] shut down portions of the cooling so

[3:04:44] that we can extract up to 40,000 gallons

[3:04:47] at a time through uh a pump system into

[3:04:52] um what are sort of like frack uh

[3:04:55] tankers. So, we're able to pull the

[3:04:58] system uh efficiently, the water

[3:05:00] efficiently into a mobile unit that

[3:05:04] allows us to then test the water uh

[3:05:07] potentially increase the ratio of glycol

[3:05:10] and reuse uh that flushing process. So,

[3:05:15] that is a standard upkeep around seven

[3:05:18] or eight years. Extremely efficient and

[3:05:21] low risk. Um the other potential

[3:05:25] scenarios for um you know a concern with

[3:05:29] the water use um it is not impossible to

[3:05:32] get uh some micro um contaminants if we ever indicated

[3:05:40] that we would employ the same type of

[3:05:43] system. In a worst case scenario for us,

[3:05:46] because of expense, if there was any

[3:05:48] kind of microbe in a system like that,

[3:05:51] we could potentially be facing having to

[3:05:54] refill the system, and it's not cheap to

[3:05:57] do that. So, we're constantly monitoring

[3:06:00] water quality, and um the system is

[3:06:04] designed to extract that water, treat

[3:06:06] the water, replace the water. Um,

[3:06:10] >> sorry Jeff. As you're describing that,

[3:06:12] you extract the water, you treat the

[3:06:13] water, you put that same water back into

[3:06:16] the system.

[3:06:17] >> Yes, potentially. So, if we're just

[3:06:19] having to in if the water is still uh no

[3:06:22] problem to continue use, but we for

[3:06:24] example have to increase the ratio of

[3:06:26] glycol, that would be a scenario where

[3:06:28] we can pump it back into the system.

[3:06:30] >> There ever a scenario where you have to

[3:06:33] drain it and replace it entirely? And if

[3:06:36] that's the case, what do you do with the

[3:06:37] water that gets drained?

[3:06:39] >> The wa So if we had a scenario where we

[3:06:43] had a bacterial problem,

[3:06:45] >> so we would extract it uh into tankers,

[3:06:49] those tankers then go through a process

[3:06:52] where uh they're able to required to

[3:06:56] treat that water so that is um able to

[3:07:00] be taken to waste to a waste facility.

[3:07:04] So there's

[3:07:05] >> treated before disposal.

[3:07:06] >> Before disposal. Yeah. So there's a a

[3:07:09] process in place that that water has to

[3:07:11] be treated in a worst case scenario like

[3:07:12] this so that it can be disposed of in an

[3:07:16] authorized waste facility. This is never

[3:07:19] a scenario where something would be, you

[3:07:22] know, going down a local drain ever.

[3:07:24] >> Where does [snorts] that treatment take

[3:07:26] place

[3:07:27] >> in Utah? I don't know. I haven't looked

[3:07:29] into that. Go ahead.

[3:07:32] >> The the treatment in the truck or the

[3:07:34] final treatment?

[3:07:34] >> No, the treat. So, you determine there's

[3:07:37] bacteria, there's an issue with the

[3:07:39] water, it can't go back into the system.

[3:07:41] So, you load up the tankers.

[3:07:43] >> It then needs to go somewhere to be

[3:07:45] treated before it can be disposed of

[3:07:47] into a treatment wastewater like our

[3:07:49] wastewater treatment plant. They can't

[3:07:51] just

[3:07:52] >> can't just dump it down the drain. It's

[3:07:54] got to go somewhere.

[3:07:55] >> No, it goes to a you know a registered

[3:07:58] type of facility. I don't know where the

[3:07:59] nearest one is. I'm sure we could find

[3:08:00] out quickly. But that that is the

[3:08:03] process if we had uh what would be a

[3:08:06] very rare and um you know critical

[3:08:09] situation. Um the other would be you

[3:08:14] know major force majour

[3:08:17] um event

[3:08:19] >> earthquake or something

[3:08:20] >> that was happening you know that that

[3:08:21] maybe you know severed a major plumbing

[3:08:24] line within the facility. But even in

[3:08:26] that case, we're able to close off

[3:08:29] valves so that the entire facility is

[3:08:32] not um depleted.

[3:08:35] >> Yeah. So worst case scenario with

[3:08:37] bacteria, if you get it in the water at

[3:08:40] all, does that mean the entire water is

[3:08:42] contaminated?

[3:08:44] >> I would think uh that's probably the

[3:08:46] case. And bacteria we're talking about

[3:08:48] is not we're talking about bacteria that

[3:08:50] would be uh detrimental to the

[3:08:53] equipment,

[3:08:53] >> right? It doesn't mean that it is, you

[3:08:56] know, highly

[3:08:58] uh problematic for a community. We're

[3:09:00] still not going to drop it into a drain.

[3:09:02] We're still going to treat it the same

[3:09:03] way.

[3:09:04] >> So, how how quickly if that if that

[3:09:06] happens and occurs? Obviously, you guys

[3:09:08] can't be down

[3:09:10] long. You have to drain it. How quickly

[3:09:12] can you refill it to be back back in

[3:09:14] business? Because you got to keep those

[3:09:15] cool.

[3:09:16] >> Yeah. So, we we in our agreement with

[3:09:18] our clients, we have some pretty

[3:09:21] punitive

[3:09:23] um penalties if if we're down. Um so,

[3:09:28] what we're talking about right now is

[3:09:30] really a very extreme circumstance that

[3:09:33] we hope that we never, you know, uh run

[3:09:37] into. But that scenario would be a big

[3:09:41] penalty for us. It wouldn't have an

[3:09:43] impact on the community at large. we

[3:09:46] would be required to drain as quickly as

[3:09:48] possible and to refill as quickly as

[3:09:52] possible. So if that was two days um

[3:09:56] we're kind of you know okay if it

[3:09:59] trickles into four and five days we're

[3:10:01] you know it costs the company millions

[3:10:03] of dollars in penalties.

[3:10:04] >> Would you have to shut down like turn

[3:10:06] off the servers shut down like the

[3:10:09] draining process does that mean power

[3:10:11] goes off

[3:10:11] >> be down? The facility would be down.

[3:10:13] Yeah, the facility would be down because

[3:10:15] requires direct to chip cooling. Um it's

[3:10:18] also something that we can plan for. Um

[3:10:21] so you know any kind of a bacterial

[3:10:25] um

[3:10:27] uh event is going to be something that

[3:10:30] is likely coming from some type of a

[3:10:33] seal, possibly um an oil or something

[3:10:37] that gets in and and we would see that

[3:10:40] pretty immediately. and seeing it

[3:10:42] immediately does not mean we have to

[3:10:44] shut down the system. It just means that

[3:10:46] our equipment is

[3:10:49] in jeopardy of corrosion. And so we'll

[3:10:51] want to plan for the exchange of water

[3:10:56] rapidly.

[3:10:58] >> Um operating site up there that's used

[3:11:01] that's doing something. How much water

[3:11:04] do you think they're using?

[3:11:06] >> The what site?

[3:11:07] >> Current site. The current building. Oh.

[3:11:10] Uh, well, the current building is,

[3:11:13] uh, not totally occupied right now and

[3:11:17] it's pretty light. They're they're um

[3:11:20] primarily distribution. So, I don't know

[3:11:23] the current amount they're using, but

[3:11:24] it's not it's not heavy usage.

[3:11:26] >> It's um, for reference, we have looked

[3:11:29] at it. It's it's probably

[3:11:33] in the 5 million gallon range annually.

[3:11:35] So what they're talking about, even

[3:11:37] though it's not fully occupied, it's a significant fraction of what

[3:11:43] they're currently using up there today.

[3:11:45] >> Current current building current sites

[3:11:47] using

[3:11:48] >> using more than what they're projecting.

[3:11:50] >> Yeah. Probably I don't know 250 to 500.

[3:11:52] I mean, even if they had 500,000 every

[3:11:54] year, that's 10 times. So they're 10,

[3:11:58] you know, so they're at 20th

[3:12:00] >> current. Um, so I want to go through a

[3:12:02] couple more slides and then then we'll

[3:12:05] continue the conversation. We can

[3:12:06] certainly come back uh to the topic of water. I think what where I would

[3:12:11] summarize here is that uh the water use

[3:12:15] is actually extremely low. Um the risk

[3:12:21] of

[3:12:22] spilling into the community is um

[3:12:27] extremely low. and the ability to

[3:12:31] service our needs to recycle or refill

[3:12:35] or refurbish that water supply um is a a proven process while expensive to us

[3:12:45] is not a threat to the community.

[3:12:51] The building where we um

[3:12:54] propose to build into this is

[3:12:58] the uh what is known as the finger hut

[3:13:01] building. It's a million square feet uh

[3:13:03] just near the wind power at the mouth of

[3:13:07] the canyon.

[3:13:08] Um it is uh a fairly ideal scenario for

[3:13:14] repurpose of something like this in that

[3:13:16] it is um on a large plot of land. It's

[3:13:20] not close to a series of other uh

[3:13:23] industrial buildings currently. It is

[3:13:25] not near uh

[3:13:28] many residences and we will we'll talk

[3:13:31] about that in just a moment. Um but it's

[3:13:35] existing industrial

[3:13:38] And couple things I think are important

[3:13:40] to consider is that um

[3:13:45] it's its ideal use as it's currently

[3:13:48] built is for distribution

[3:13:51] 36 loading bays. Um we are proposing to

[3:13:55] purchase this building and we do have uh

[3:13:59] information that there is another

[3:14:00] company right now who has put in another

[3:14:02] bid to purchase the building as well.

[3:14:06] Um, in its current use, this building

[3:14:09] would see over 3,500 diesel trucks a

[3:14:14] month moving through uh through Spanish

[3:14:18] Fork. Um,

[3:14:20] 720 metric tons of CO2.

[3:14:25] Um, compared to what at our facility

[3:14:27] would be a few dozen cars a day. Um

[3:14:32] ultimately this facility will have see

[3:14:35] anywhere from 100 to 200 employees. Uh

[3:14:38] there's no loading, there's no

[3:14:40] distribution.

[3:14:42] Um and so we do believe genuinely that

[3:14:46] for the city and the surrounding area

[3:14:50] um while data centers have been vilified

[3:14:54] a bit in uh you know previous design and

[3:14:58] certain inefficiencies,

[3:15:00] this facility with this proposed design

[3:15:05] um is truly a net positive and

[3:15:08] especially when compared to how the

[3:15:11] building would likely be used uh by any

[3:15:15] other owner or tenant compared to um

[3:15:20] compared to valition.

[3:15:23] And so this is a a look at how this uh

[3:15:26] will begin to build out um same

[3:15:30] building, new purpose and um a extremely

[3:15:37] um meaningful economic impact where this

[3:15:41] building um as an extreme outlier to

[3:15:44] traditional industry will house over

[3:15:47] four billion dollars of um power

[3:15:51] generation equipment, electrical

[3:15:53] equipment and compute equipment in this

[3:15:59] facility.

[3:16:04] So, in the end, we're looking at a

[3:16:05] situation where we have uh

[3:16:08] conversational level noise on the

[3:16:11] facility

[3:16:13] under 65 dBA,

[3:16:16] no added light pollution,

[3:16:21] minimal traffic on site, and no

[3:16:25] requested change to the skyline or

[3:16:29] interior or exterior.

[3:16:32] uh fit.

[3:16:37] We make no request of the city for any tax incentive

[3:16:46] um of of any kind. We're making no

[3:16:49] request of the state for any [snorts]

[3:16:51] tax incentive

[3:16:53] uh of any kind. So we we leave this as

[3:16:56] this very vanilla tax vehicle that will

[3:17:02] generate um a large amount of tax

[3:17:05] revenue that will be distributed in its

[3:17:08] normal normal flow of tax distribution

[3:17:11] through the city and through the school

[3:17:12] district.

[3:17:14] um

[3:17:17] allowing a community to have access to

[3:17:20] capital to grow, expand, develop,

[3:17:22] especially a city like Spanish Fork that

[3:17:25] is attractive and has plans to to

[3:17:28] expand. Um we think this is a

[3:17:34] substantially

[3:17:36] um impactful

[3:17:39] use of of funds. But in addition to that

[3:17:43] um we really have a genuine desire to um

[3:17:46] have our own direct impact as well. We

[3:17:49] will allocate a portion of our own

[3:17:51] annual income and our client's annual

[3:17:54] income to uh create additional direct

[3:17:58] contributions

[3:17:59] um in excess of $500,000 a year to the

[3:18:02] city and also host um industry training

[3:18:06] um for professionals

[3:18:09] um paid apprenticeships

[3:18:11] and also uh taking education into

[3:18:16] um the high school and junior college

[3:18:19] level as these young folks consider how

[3:18:23] to adapt and to take advantage of new uh

[3:18:28] job opportunities in the IT industry at

[3:18:31] large or specifically in the data center

[3:18:34] industry. Um our leadership has a long

[3:18:37] history in learning and development

[3:18:39] throughout the US. Uh so it's really

[3:18:42] something that's genuinely part of our

[3:18:44] DNA as we begin to build out learning

[3:18:46] and development programs that could

[3:18:48] benefit professionals and students here.

[3:18:52] And finally, uh we will be the first of

[3:18:55] its kind in the country uh as a

[3:18:58] developer to proactively engage in a

[3:19:02] development agreement that holds us

[3:19:04] accountable to all of the initiatives

[3:19:07] that we've outlined. um a water use cap.

[3:19:12] Uh no grid connection request ever. Um

[3:19:18] decommissioning plans that make it clear

[3:19:20] as the property owner if things were to

[3:19:23] um implode economically. Uh that allows

[3:19:26] us to have a clear path to decommission.

[3:19:30] Um enforcable noise limits, no diesel

[3:19:33] covenant. um and annual public reporting

[3:19:37] on on all of these development covenants

[3:19:40] that we uh wish to make with with the

[3:19:42] city.

[3:19:45] >> What? Real quick, Jeff, sorry. While

[3:19:47] you're there, what does annual public

[3:19:50] reporting look like to you?

[3:19:53] I think it looks like um an annual

[3:19:56] report that would align with the terms

[3:20:00] of the development agreement that gives

[3:20:03] empiric empir uh empirical data that

[3:20:06] indicates that this was our actual use

[3:20:09] in these categories for example but I

[3:20:11] don't know

[3:20:13] the full structure of that yet but

[3:20:14] that's that's how I see it and I think

[3:20:16] that we would work in concert with uh

[3:20:19] the city legal to develop

[3:20:22] that process.

[3:20:24] >> Jeeoff, I have a question on a side

[3:20:26] note. I don't think it was covered, so

[3:20:28] forgive me if it was, and I know we

[3:20:29] talked about it in our previous meeting,

[3:20:31] but I think our residents would want to

[3:20:32] ask or know whose data are you housing.

[3:20:36] Is it Spanish for residents? Is it the

[3:20:39] American people? Whose data

[3:20:41] >> Yeah.

[3:20:41] >> are you going to have there?

[3:20:43] >> Yeah, that's a great question. So, um,

[3:20:46] the client, uh, that there are a couple

[3:20:49] clients that will likely

[3:20:52] um rent space in in this building. Um

[3:20:58] the names are not well known because

[3:21:01] they're private companies. So for

[3:21:03] example, one of them for reference is

[3:21:05] called Ncale.

[3:21:07] The letter N and the word scale attached

[3:21:10] to it. They provide a software platform

[3:21:14] that does the actual work of uh the

[3:21:18] computer modeling and thinking through

[3:21:22] answers to queries or other uses of AI

[3:21:25] as it comes into these servers. Um

[3:21:32] the additional tenant behind Nscale

[3:21:34] could be a variety of companies, brands

[3:21:36] that we all know well. For example,

[3:21:39] Nvidia could run chips in the building.

[3:21:42] Meta could run chips in the building.

[3:21:44] Google could run chips in the building.

[3:21:48] And those queries uh can be hitting the

[3:21:52] building from as close as Spanish Fork.

[3:21:54] Um and they could be coming up. They

[3:21:57] could be coming from Salt Lake. they

[3:21:59] could be coming from but they will they

[3:22:01] will pull from they they want uh queries

[3:22:06] hitting the building from as close as

[3:22:09] possible that's called inference for

[3:22:11] speed. So um certainly local queries

[3:22:16] will be routing into that building and

[3:22:19] regional queries uh will be routing into

[3:22:22] that building. Uh we do no work with the

[3:22:26] US government. There have been questions

[3:22:28] about surveillance and we don't allow uh

[3:22:32] any inference work in our facility that

[3:22:35] has anything to do with with government

[3:22:37] work or surveillance including any

[3:22:41] private companies that is in the

[3:22:43] business of surveillance

[3:22:45] um

[3:22:47] will not operate in our facilities.

[3:22:50] >> Thank you.

[3:22:50] >> You talked about the electrical grid how

[3:22:52] you don't tie to that. What about what

[3:22:54] about the internet? What about like

[3:22:58] what does that look like from from your

[3:23:00] company side?

[3:23:02] >> Uh meaning our use of electricity.

[3:23:05] >> No, like networking and and everything

[3:23:08] else. Do you do you with the amount of

[3:23:11] data and everything else going through

[3:23:12] there?

[3:23:13] >> Yeah.

[3:23:13] >> What's that pipeline look like?

[3:23:15] >> Okay. So that's a fiber fiber

[3:23:18] engineering upgrade. So we have um a

[3:23:22] design for multiple entry points of um

[3:23:27] high access fiber that are required to

[3:23:29] be able to move this amount of

[3:23:31] throughput.

[3:23:32] >> Yeah.

[3:23:33] >> Um so

[3:23:35] our power systems also power the

[3:23:40] movement of data and fiber moving. So we

[3:23:43] pay for the upgrade just like we pay for

[3:23:46] additional natural gas to come in. We

[3:23:48] pay for a fiber upgrade coming into the

[3:23:52] building as well to facilitate the

[3:23:54] movement of data.

[3:23:55] >> Okay,

[3:23:57] [snorts]

[3:23:58] >> Jeeoff, one thing that we didn't talk

[3:23:59] about, and I don't think we talked about

[3:24:00] it before, is these power cells and

[3:24:05] these air conditioners, because I'm

[3:24:06] assuming that's what is going to be

[3:24:07] cooling the system. Um, what kind of

[3:24:11] heat offput are those putting into the

[3:24:13] area?

[3:24:15] So um

[3:24:18] our design [clears throat] is

[3:24:19] implementing heat capture.

[3:24:22] So um there are parts of this system

[3:24:26] that are designed to capture heat again

[3:24:29] seeking to be as efficient with all

[3:24:31] parts of this engineering as possible.

[3:24:34] That heat capture um in some cases is is

[3:24:37] in the many hundreds of degrees. and

[3:24:40] we're able to use that uh back into our

[3:24:43] system to create energy to power our own

[3:24:46] cooling systems. So um a large portion

[3:24:51] of the heat will never even meet the

[3:24:54] atmosphere. Um but I think for

[3:24:59] um a broader view of overall heat coming

[3:25:02] off the system, we can come back to you

[3:25:04] with with that amount. But again uh in

[3:25:09] the scheme of comparables to engines

[3:25:13] um compressors

[3:25:15] turbines

[3:25:17] um the fuel cell uh throws off very

[3:25:21] modest amount of heat.

[3:25:25] >> You said you'd come back with that

[3:25:26] number. Is that what you said? Sorry.

[3:25:27] >> Yeah.

[3:25:28] >> Jeff, what's Valition's relationship

[3:25:31] with Bloom? Do you lease their

[3:25:32] equipment? Do you purchase their

[3:25:34] equipment?

[3:25:35] Yeah, we're really just a customer. We

[3:25:37] purchase the equipment.

[3:25:38] >> You purchase it.

[3:25:39] >> They have leasing scenarios. Uh for us,

[3:25:42] it makes most sense to own it as our own

[3:25:44] capital equipment and also enter into a

[3:25:47] long-term service agreement with Bloom.

[3:25:50] Um one of the nice things about Bloom is

[3:25:52] that uh you're able to uh service a

[3:25:57] singular unit without having anything

[3:25:59] else go down. So um part of our

[3:26:05] plan with them is that in a five, six or

[3:26:08] sevenyear period when their technology

[3:26:11] is time to be upgraded, we are paying

[3:26:13] for that in advance monthly so that when

[3:26:16] a new technology is required in we think

[3:26:18] seven to eight years, they will schedule

[3:26:21] what ends up being like a year-long swap

[3:26:24] out and retrofit of that equipment. And

[3:26:27] it's built in such a way that you're

[3:26:29] never jeopardizing your overall power

[3:26:31] output as you upgrade the fuel cell.

[3:26:35] >> Jeff, for a center this size, uh 250

[3:26:40] megawws,

[3:26:41] uh just curious if you could walk us

[3:26:44] through a little bit what would the fuel

[3:26:45] cells would look like double stacked,

[3:26:46] how many the view from Highway 6, you

[3:26:48] know, what's the public's perception

[3:26:49] going to be of that if something like

[3:26:50] this were to go in in this location? And

[3:26:53] then my second question is would be I'm

[3:26:56] sure people would be wondering you know

[3:26:59] being downwind right we have big

[3:27:00] windmills up there and especially those

[3:27:03] who you know who are newer to this idea

[3:27:06] um of a center going in like what could

[3:27:08] potentially be harmful or you know being

[3:27:11] downwind.

[3:27:12] >> Yeah makes sense.

[3:27:13] >> Um from a harm standpoint um we don't

[3:27:17] see any harm in being downwind. Um we

[3:27:21] are designing the facility such that any

[3:27:25] equipment that may be on the louder side

[3:27:29] like cooling equipment um or heat

[3:27:33] producing we're engineering on the far

[3:27:37] farther side the roadside the farther

[3:27:40] side um of the building contemplating

[3:27:44] that there are homes that are going to

[3:27:46] be built on what is the west side of

[3:27:50] this building. So, we're engineering

[3:27:54] uh as if those homes were already in

[3:27:57] place from a st a sound standpoint and

[3:28:01] you know if there was any way that heat

[3:28:04] was moving

[3:28:06] uh towards those homes, but all of our

[3:28:09] um indication and seeing these uh units

[3:28:13] running, you know, up to an acre of fuel

[3:28:17] cell field. Um there's never been any

[3:28:22] um measured

[3:28:25] heat movement that was

[3:28:28] you know tangible while you're standing

[3:28:30] next to next to a system. So um and this

[3:28:37] is work that was done by you know by

[3:28:39] Bloom and major companies like Oracle

[3:28:43] major utilities who have purchased

[3:28:46] gigawatts of this fuel cell and

[3:28:49] installed it in different areas

[3:28:51] throughout the US. Um so this is these

[3:28:54] are studies that really kind of predate

[3:28:57] um our work and it's validated that

[3:29:01] there is no there is no major heat

[3:29:04] impact but I am Jesse going to get

[3:29:07] detail on it for you.

[3:29:09] >> When you say 250 megawatts is that per

[3:29:12] day per year like how how often are you

[3:29:14] producing 250 meg?

[3:29:15] >> That's at peak use. So that means that

[3:29:19] if there was a major

[3:29:22] you know uh

[3:29:25] influx of

[3:29:28] robotic query and all kind that that at

[3:29:31] its max we could power 250 megawws for a

[3:29:36] period of time in the facility. The

[3:29:39] expectation is that day in and day out

[3:29:42] it will be running on an average of

[3:29:44] about 75% of capacity.

[3:29:50] Jeff, can you go back to one of your

[3:29:53] first slides where you asked the

[3:29:55] questions that get asked?

[3:29:58] I think these areas was it one more

[3:30:04] that one.

[3:30:05] >> Anyway, you asked the questions. It's one before the video, wasn't it?

[3:30:09] >> Yeah, I think first

[3:30:11] >> right there. Um just to give you a sense

[3:30:15] of how I am planning to evaluate the

[3:30:17] decision. Um and I think we need to talk

[3:30:20] about what our decision is and where we

[3:30:22] make it. Is it on do we allow the power

[3:30:24] be generated there or do we allow

[3:30:28] the data center to be there as a land

[3:30:29] use? So I think we need to figure that

[3:30:31] out a little bit. However, for me, not

[3:30:34] speaking for the rest of my colleagues,

[3:30:36] these are the questions, right? Um

[3:30:38] electricity you're going to generate on

[3:30:40] site. You're not going to do anything.

[3:30:41] You're not going to touch our grid.

[3:30:42] You're not going to add to or subtract

[3:30:43] from our grid. So, I get that water.

[3:30:45] What I want to see is you've showed the

[3:30:48] numbers what you're going to use, what

[3:30:50] they use today.

[3:30:52] What how big is this site?

[3:30:57] >> The building itself is a million square

[3:30:58] feet.

[3:30:58] >> 1 million square feet on 25 acres.

[3:31:01] >> About 25 acres.

[3:31:03] >> So, if it was R

[3:31:06] >> 112 there would be 60ish homes there.

[3:31:10] Let's just do the math. 25 times roughly

[3:31:14] 2.6 homes on an R12.

[3:31:16] >> So yeah, 65 to 70 houses.

[3:31:19] >> What I'm going to do in my calculations,

[3:31:21] I'm going to say, what does it do today?

[3:31:23] What if it was a data center? And what

[3:31:24] if it was homes? Because in my head,

[3:31:26] those are things that the public can

[3:31:28] understand. And I want to answer each

[3:31:29] one of these questions. How much

[3:31:31] electricity, how much water, how much

[3:31:32] noise, and how much air quality is for

[3:31:34] those three scenarios.

[3:31:36] um the information you have provided so

[3:31:38] far

[3:31:40] looks like the least impact from all

[3:31:43] four of those is from your project now

[3:31:48] I think there's going to be some

[3:31:49] skeptics in the world that don't believe

[3:31:52] those numbers

[3:31:53] >> there will be

[3:31:54] >> right um and so I want to be as clear as

[3:31:56] I possibly can about my expectations

[3:31:59] from you you give me those things and I

[3:32:01] think you have in essence given me all

[3:32:04] of them um I that say that is your

[3:32:06] public hearing, put them on the board.

[3:32:08] This is our water consumption. This is

[3:32:10] what what 60 homes would use in a given

[3:32:14] year. It's significantly less what

[3:32:16] you're proposing than 60 residential

[3:32:18] homes. And we wouldn't be having this

[3:32:19] conversation at all about water or heat

[3:32:23] or air or anything if this was a 60 unit

[3:32:28] residential community. We'd want to know

[3:32:30] what the what it looked like and and how

[3:32:33] many trucks or traffic was. It's so

[3:32:35] fascinating that we're to this point,

[3:32:37] but rightly so because of some botched

[3:32:40] um outreach other places. However, I

[3:32:43] think if we can if we can put up in

[3:32:45] black and white, here are the actual

[3:32:47] facts, here are the numbers behind all

[3:32:48] of this, I think it'll make my job a lot

[3:32:51] easier to come to make a decision

[3:32:53] factual based instead of, you know,

[3:32:57] subjection subject subjectively.

[3:33:00] Whoa, what time is it tonight? Um, so if

[3:33:03] you could do that for me, put those just

[3:33:05] directly in front of my face.

[3:33:08] >> Here are the numbers.

[3:33:10] >> Um, we're going to hold you accountable

[3:33:11] to those numbers if you do get approved

[3:33:13] and move forward. Right. And I think

[3:33:15] that annual update about what it looks

[3:33:17] like. It was a great question. I'm not

[3:33:19] sure if Kevin or It was a great

[3:33:21] question. What does that look like? Will

[3:33:22] you come before us and say here's what

[3:33:24] we used? Here's what we generated. All

[3:33:25] of those things. And I think one thing

[3:33:27] you're missing on here is what is the

[3:33:29] benefit to the city? You do show that on

[3:33:31] your slide. Um, currently the property

[3:33:34] value, I looked it up, is valued at $50

[3:33:36] million. Um, the tax difference between

[3:33:40] 50 million and 4 billion is a

[3:33:42] significant number, a significant

[3:33:44] benefit to the county, to the Neville

[3:33:46] school district, to the city itself. And

[3:33:48] so there is some positive upside. Um,

[3:33:50] taking 3600 trucks off the system every

[3:33:53] single day or once a yearly is a big

[3:33:56] deal. So, I think the case can be made,

[3:33:58] but I need to see them in black and

[3:34:00] white so that when someone stops me at

[3:34:02] May and says, "What the have you done?"

[3:34:05] I want to be able to say, "Look, here

[3:34:07] are our options. You tell me what's the

[3:34:10] least impactful and most beneficial to

[3:34:11] the city."

[3:34:12] >> Shane, one one thing we talked about in

[3:34:14] a prior meeting

[3:34:16] that when you get people to get on and

[3:34:18] say you're liars or they're liars that

[3:34:21] you don't believe them, the water,

[3:34:22] they're going to use a lot more water

[3:34:24] than that.

[3:34:25] >> [snorts]

[3:34:25] >> One way that we've discussed about the

[3:34:28] water is, and we can have our our

[3:34:31] engineers discuss this as well. If they

[3:34:34] were a user that was going to use 650

[3:34:36] million, was that the number that I saw,

[3:34:39] of gallons of water a year, would they

[3:34:42] need to improve the infrastructure?

[3:34:44] Would they need to increase the pipes to

[3:34:46] be able to bring in that much water?

[3:34:48] More than likely, yes, they would need

[3:34:50] to. And from our understanding and part

[3:34:52] of the development agreement is that

[3:34:54] there won't be increased water pipes as

[3:34:57] far as the size.

[3:34:57] >> You can't get the water there.

[3:34:58] So even

[3:35:00] if they needed 650 million, they can't

[3:35:04] get the water there. You're not going to

[3:35:05] build something that you can't service

[3:35:08] and and provide your customers what they

[3:35:10] need. And so that's one way to show or

[3:35:13] tell somebody, you know, they're lying

[3:35:15] about the water. Well, if they're lying

[3:35:16] about it, then they're going to struggle

[3:35:18] because they're not getting the water

[3:35:19] that you claim they're going to need.

[3:35:21] >> Yeah, that's a that's a key point and

[3:35:23] it's one of the one of the top level

[3:35:25] kind of lowhanging

[3:35:27] answers to consider is that if we are

[3:35:31] not requesting any additional water than

[3:35:34] is currently permitted,

[3:35:36] then we're not a threat to

[3:35:40] excessive water use. And to your point,

[3:35:43] um, our company, our investors would

[3:35:47] never,

[3:35:48] um, approve the investment of this scale

[3:35:52] into something that would require us to

[3:35:55] then come back and do some kind of bait

[3:35:56] and switch where we actually needed more

[3:35:59] water.

[3:36:00] >> So, that is not a thing.

[3:36:02] >> Um, but I do want to help

[3:36:07] bucket these a little bit better for

[3:36:09] you.

[3:36:09] >> Thank you. Appreciate that. Okay.

[3:36:11] >> Councilman Marshall maybe on

[3:36:14] >> it's me.

[3:36:17] » I was talking. [laughter]

[3:36:20] >> Not again.

[3:36:23] >> Okay.

[3:36:24] >> Water usage, power usage, even maybe

[3:36:27] like trips per day per home. We have

[3:36:30] those numbers. So that part of what you

[3:36:34] described and that you want to see I

[3:36:36] feel I mean I not that I don't trust

[3:36:38] Jeff but I would

[3:36:39] >> yeah

[3:36:41] I don't

[3:36:41] >> so we could work with them and we can

[3:36:43] say hey use these numbers for that.

[3:36:46] >> It's you know you can you could Google

[3:36:47] it. You could have chat do it and it

[3:36:49] would come up with some ballpark

[3:36:51] estimates. I mean when Mike said what's

[3:36:53] five tons I'm like what's the let me let

[3:36:55] me figure that out.

[3:36:56] >> Let me use that data center to figure it

[3:36:58] out.

[3:36:58] >> Yep. Yeah, we can use that

[3:36:59] [clears throat] data center. But I

[3:37:00] appreciate that, Dave. Like I think that

[3:37:02] is the context that will help

[3:37:05] >> frame the argument one way or the other.

[3:37:08] >> The the part Yeah, I think that's a

[3:37:10] great point in that when we talk

[3:37:12] thousands of gallons of water, well, we

[3:37:15] think of the gallon jug that we just got

[3:37:17] and thousands. That's a lot. Well,

[3:37:20] [snorts] uses five million gallons right

[3:37:22] now per year, right? And so we're trying

[3:37:25] to use these ton these words tons and

[3:37:27] gallons and thousands of this stuff. And

[3:37:30] when you put it in those

[3:37:32] the context of it is what is super

[3:37:35] important of of of how that levels with

[3:37:38] what's currently used. Um,

[3:37:41] my summary of of of maybe looking at

[3:37:44] something like this is echoing what

[3:37:47] what's been said here already, but not

[3:37:50] hooked to our power, but hooked to our

[3:37:53] water in a way that you have the rights

[3:37:55] to to water and you're proposing to lo

[3:37:58] use a lot less. So, considerably less

[3:38:00] than currently used there and and other

[3:38:03] facilities certainly of that size. And

[3:38:06] you are hooked. We wouldn't call it our

[3:38:08] natural gas. It's not our natural gas,

[3:38:10] but we are natural gas customers. All of

[3:38:12] us residents are natural gas customers.

[3:38:15] I think it's a a part that's maybe not

[3:38:17] touched here, but that's where that's

[3:38:20] where you're going to start that

[3:38:21] generation of power. And so if if I

[3:38:23] don't know, which I just don't know, uh

[3:38:27] is you using that much natural gas going

[3:38:31] to take away from the natural gas that I

[3:38:33] use? I pay a bill, you pay a bill, your

[3:38:36] bill is going to be considerably larger,

[3:38:38] but is there enough out there that it

[3:38:40] doesn't and and again,

[3:38:43] I'm saying this in a way that I'm being

[3:38:45] a little rhetorical with it because

[3:38:46] there wouldn't be that many billions of

[3:38:48] dollars invested if they didn't think

[3:38:50] there was a source that could be

[3:38:52] continually run to run those

[3:38:54] >> run those machines that power this.

[3:38:57] >> Uh but still in my mind as the resident

[3:39:00] would be you're taking a lot of natural

[3:39:02] gas. Is there enough natural gas for the

[3:39:04] rest of us? And I'm sure that's

[3:39:06] something that your who who you're

[3:39:08] buying that from is going to say that

[3:39:11] too. Um and and so some reassurance

[3:39:14] there that's probably in permits or

[3:39:16] documents or something that says

[3:39:19] >> we'd be h happy to and it's um yeah the difference between natural gas as a

[3:39:25] resource compared to electricity from

[3:39:28] the grid as a resource are miles apart

[3:39:32] in their availability. That doesn't mean

[3:39:35] that natural gas. We are projected to

[3:39:38] see natural gas over the next 10 years

[3:39:41] um nationwide

[3:39:43] have some incremental increase because

[3:39:46] of the additional use of natural gas for

[3:39:49] systems like this. In the short term, uh

[3:39:53] there's there is no incremental impact

[3:39:55] to the rateayers

[3:39:57] uh of natural gas at all. But let us

[3:40:00] hope you document see that in in

[3:40:02] something documented.

[3:40:05] Jeff, is there you in your video, I

[3:40:08] think it was, you talked about the data

[3:40:10] centers that you guys have built. Um, is

[3:40:12] there an example of one anywhere that we

[3:40:14] could see like pictures of or is it like

[3:40:16] I that's just a question I had. Sorry.

[3:40:19] >> But [snorts] no, the closest facility

[3:40:21] similar to this is here in Utah, NOVA.

[3:40:25] in that they utilize a large portion of

[3:40:29] the Bloom fuel cell both as backup power

[3:40:32] and primary power. So we have Bloom

[3:40:36] running extremely successfully here in

[3:40:39] Utah. While it's not under the Valition

[3:40:41] brand, um it is the exact same team of

[3:40:46] uh general contractor and engineering

[3:40:49] that is building our facility.

[3:40:52] >> Thank you, Von. This is a question for

[3:40:54] you. Um I know you're you're ready for a

[3:40:56] question tonight. So Jeff talked about

[3:41:00] he's the first uh or Valition is the

[3:41:02] first to do a development agreement of

[3:41:04] this kind at least for this industry.

[3:41:06] One of the things that you see often or

[3:41:09] we've seen increasingly we'll say that

[3:41:11] is data centers saying something and

[3:41:14] then they come back and they sue the

[3:41:15] city for something different. If we do

[3:41:18] this development agreement is that

[3:41:20] protect the city? What does that look

[3:41:21] like? And then how does that stand up in

[3:41:23] court?

[3:41:25] I know it's pretty loaded.

[3:41:32] » Oh, it is working again. That that he

[3:41:34] outlined in the in the presentation. So,

[3:41:37] um those will be metrics and if they

[3:41:40] don't reach them, then they're in breach

[3:41:41] of the agreement. So, that gives us a

[3:41:44] cause of action against that. So, yeah,

[3:41:47] I think it's enforceable for sure. So,

[3:41:50] it's just kind of dependent on how we

[3:41:52] >> put that together.

[3:41:52] >> What types of remedies are are provided

[3:41:54] in the agreement and and how we're going

[3:41:56] to pursue those.

[3:41:58] >> And then, sorry, I have lots of random

[3:42:01] questions. I apologize.

[3:42:02] >> Maybe Jesse, before you go off of that,

[3:42:03] I think for me, one of the things that I've really appreciated [snorts]

[3:42:08] in their proposal is this idea of a

[3:42:10] development agreement. We don't have a

[3:42:11] template for that, like in terms of how

[3:42:14] to have a development agreement with a

[3:42:15] data center. So, I would look to them to

[3:42:18] start that. Like, what are you going to

[3:42:19] propose and what protections and and I'd

[3:42:21] look to their attorney to to propose

[3:42:23] that and work that through and then we

[3:42:24] can measure that against what we're

[3:42:26] comfortable with, you know, what they're

[3:42:27] saying here tonight. I think, you know,

[3:42:29] Jeff's doing a good job of trying to

[3:42:32] identify what uh, you know, where they'd

[3:42:34] like to put the lines in the sand, but

[3:42:36] you know, they'll do that with that

[3:42:37] contract. And I think we we look at

[3:42:39] those issues that you're mentioning and

[3:42:41] weigh it against, you know, that

[3:42:42] language and I think you Von can

[3:42:44] certainly do that.

[3:42:46] But we'll look to them to to propose

[3:42:48] what that looks like because we don't

[3:42:49] have

[3:42:51] >> we don't have the beginnings of that

[3:42:52] template. Right.

[3:42:53] >> Thank you. This might be I don't know if

[3:42:54] this is a Von or a Dave question as I

[3:42:57] look at the code right or the zoning for

[3:42:59] the site currently is I1

[3:43:02] does and I don't see in the use of I1

[3:43:05] obviously we don't have data center in

[3:43:06] title 15.

[3:43:08] Does this fit? Do we have to do a

[3:43:10] different type of amendment for a data

[3:43:12] center? There's already been an

[3:43:14] application submitted for text change to

[3:43:17] specifically list data center and that

[3:43:19] has been considered by the DRC and it's

[3:43:22] going to planning commission.

[3:43:24] >> So is that a separate title 15 change to

[3:43:27] what we're talking about with um self

[3:43:28] power or self or is it in the same

[3:43:31] >> they're in the same they're in the same

[3:43:33] application?

[3:43:33] >> Same application. Okay. So that's the

[3:43:35] one that's going to plantation tomorrow.

[3:43:37] Okay.

[3:43:40] I

[3:43:40] >> think that's the questions I had right

[3:43:41] now.

[3:43:45] again a a discussion item uh on the

[3:43:48] agenda and we appreciate you you being

[3:43:51] uh here to to to have that discussion

[3:43:54] and have these questions um those

[3:43:58] so far see if you can get an extra date

[3:44:01] on the calendar but August 13th and

[3:44:03] August 14th will be here before we know

[3:44:05] it and we'll be able to help you put

[3:44:07] those things out if if you'd like. Um,

[3:44:10] so so people that want to ask questions

[3:44:12] can come ask questions.

[3:44:13] >> That'd be great. Do you recommend that

[3:44:14] we add a Saturday or that we move the

[3:44:17] Friday to or or we do a Friday early in

[3:44:20] the day and a Saturday?

[3:44:22] >> I'd love to see a Saturday. I think that

[3:44:24] would be

[3:44:25] >> Okay.

[3:44:25] >> Yeah, I would prioritize a Saturday as

[3:44:27] far as the other two. My opinion, the

[3:44:29] more the marrier. If you can do a

[3:44:31] Thursday, Friday, Saturday, great.

[3:44:32] >> Well, yeah, let's debate that a little

[3:44:34] bit. Do you really want to come to a

[3:44:36] meeting on a Saturday or would you

[3:44:37] rather like a Thursday night? Well,

[3:44:40] you're saying you're still a human

[3:44:41] being. So, you're saying values your

[3:44:43] Saturdays.

[3:44:44] >> So, maybe a Thursday afternoon and a

[3:44:46] Friday evening.

[3:44:47] >> Well, you

[3:44:47] >> Okay.

[3:44:48] >> Friday evening is

[3:44:49] >> How long has it been since you were a

[3:44:50] teenager? Come on. Friday.

[3:44:52] >> Thursday evening, a Friday [laughter]

[3:44:53] afternoon.

[3:44:55] >> Sorry. I'm not trying to be too snarky.

[3:44:56] Obviously, I'm trying to be a little

[3:44:57] snarky.

[3:44:58] >> I think a mixture of all of them would

[3:45:00] actually be the best, right? Something

[3:45:02] in the middle of the day, something in

[3:45:03] the evening, and something on Saturday.

[3:45:04] I think that you've tried to encapsulate

[3:45:06] the group of people that are going to

[3:45:07] come.

[3:45:07] >> Yeah. I just I don't know what kind of

[3:45:10] experience you'd get on a Saturday. So,

[3:45:12] I'm looking to you not as

[3:45:13] >> what I know we will get if we don't

[3:45:15] offer something is you're not

[3:45:17] transparent enough.

[3:45:19] >> Yeah. Those

[3:45:19] >> 10 to 10 to two.

[3:45:21] >> Yeah. We'd rather air on that side of

[3:45:22] it. I think a Friday afternoon might

[3:45:25] make sense if people have finished with

[3:45:27] sports and different things. And so,

[3:45:30] we're happy to do Thursday, Friday, and

[3:45:31] Saturday. The only limitations in the

[3:45:34] evening on Thursday and Friday was just

[3:45:36] the actual buildings. Sure.

[3:45:38] >> So, let's look at a few different spaces

[3:45:40] and and maybe we reach out to the Nebo

[3:45:42] School District to see if they have a

[3:45:44] space or two that could be used

[3:45:46] >> as well. Like I don't think the location

[3:45:49] matters as long as it's a space that can

[3:45:51] be

[3:45:52] >> Yeah, we looked at the

[3:45:53] >> the library. We looked at this iit

[3:45:56] facility.

[3:45:58] >> Does that make sense?

[3:46:00] >> City in this new

[3:46:01] >> city. Was it

[3:46:02] >> in our in our city?

[3:46:04] >> Oh, the fit the fit city. the city

[3:46:06] community center.

[3:46:07] >> Yeah.

[3:46:08] >> Got it wrong. [snorts] Yeah. We Why

[3:46:10] don't we We'll just have somebody reach

[3:46:12] out to you tomorrow and work on those

[3:46:14] dates and try to write pick some times.

[3:46:18] >> Probably

[3:46:20] Thursday evening, Friday afternoon, and

[3:46:22] something on Saturday. And yeah, and

[3:46:24] we'll expect Shane to be there every

[3:46:26] single Saturday.

[3:46:27] >> Not every single time, just a Saturday.

[3:46:30] [laughter]

[3:46:30] Yeah.

[3:46:32] >> And when is this when is this planned to

[3:46:34] be on the city council agenda?

[3:46:37] >> Uh potentially the text we talked about

[3:46:40] could be on the agenda for your next

[3:46:41] meeting.

[3:46:43] >> Two weeks from today

[3:46:44] >> potentially. Yeah.

[3:46:45] >> It will be on the planning commission's

[3:46:47] agenda. It is on their agenda tomorrow.

[3:46:49] >> Correct.

[3:46:50] >> And that's a public hearing discussion.

[3:46:51] >> Yes.

[3:46:52] >> Yeah. And and depending on how that

[3:46:55] goes, we would expect the 18th to be a

[3:46:58] public hearing.

[3:46:59] uh on the item just the same

[3:47:03] and then you would consider it from

[3:47:05] there.

[3:47:08] >> I think uh I didn't know that um Rage

[3:47:10] Against the Machine was going to come

[3:47:12] full circle tonight. I'm glad it has,

[3:47:14] but I think that uh we can we can take

[3:47:17] that here in the in the context of uh

[3:47:23] that was something that that got out of

[3:47:25] hand pretty quick. Uh, and it's a

[3:47:27] different era of of of 30 years ago for

[3:47:30] sure. But we immediately went to the

[3:47:33] worst case scenario of what was going to

[3:47:35] happen for some some teenagers to come

[3:47:38] jump around and listen to rock and roll

[3:47:40] music. And then we had the best case

[3:47:42] scenario that what they were going to

[3:47:43] come help all the old ladies across the

[3:47:45] street. It was probably somewhere in

[3:47:46] between. Uh, and

[3:47:48] >> did you help anybody across the street

[3:47:49] that day? I didn't help anybody, but uh

[3:47:52] you know they uh I I think I think in

[3:47:56] circumstances like this it it behooves

[3:47:59] and we're this way anyway in Spanish

[3:48:00] Fork. I hope you guys have felt it and

[3:48:02] everybody watching here can feel it.

[3:48:03] We're try to have level heads on our

[3:48:06] shoulders and get the data, get the get

[3:48:08] the facts um and then and then discuss

[3:48:10] those so we can so we can come to a a

[3:48:14] conclusion that um that is beneficial.

[3:48:16] And so, um, appreciate all the all the

[3:48:20] information. Appreciate you taking the

[3:48:22] time and appreciate you being willing to

[3:48:24] have the public come do that, too. But I

[3:48:26] think it's incumbent on all of us to to

[3:48:28] do like we always do and and get that

[3:48:30] data, try to answer some questions. And

[3:48:32] when you don't know the answer to some

[3:48:34] questions, let's figure it out. I'll bet

[3:48:36] none of us knew tonight that it was the

[3:48:37] average was half a million gallons in

[3:48:40] our own house of of water, but now we

[3:48:42] do. and uh and so we can we can we can

[3:48:46] help put those in all context. So,

[3:48:49] >> thank you.

[3:48:50] >> Yes. Thank you.

[3:48:50] >> Anything else you want to finish?

[3:48:51] >> No, nothing else. I just uh appreciate

[3:48:53] the work that we've done together at

[3:48:55] this point. However it lands, I want to

[3:48:56] ensure

[3:48:58] uh that you know our approach and the

[3:49:00] conversations with the community is uh

[3:49:02] there will be no there will be no

[3:49:04] agitation. you know, uh we're not going

[3:49:07] to be there to argue anything with

[3:49:08] anybody other than to present

[3:49:10] information and if others if there are

[3:49:13] folks who are upset or you know that's

[3:49:14] okay. There won't be any uh it they'll

[3:49:18] all be really good conversations um from

[3:49:20] our standpoints. We look forward to it.

[3:49:22] >> Appreciate it, Jeff.

[3:49:22] >> Okay. Thank you so much.

[3:49:24] >> Thanks a lot.

[3:49:25] >> Thank you.

[3:49:27] >> Hey, I got to give you some context

[3:49:29] because you you please challenge me.

[3:49:30] >> Context. Good.

[3:49:31] >> I see in OR in Provo, the big hospital.

[3:49:34] >> Yes. 5.4 tons of nitro of NOX a year.

[3:49:40] >> They generate just over

[3:49:43] Dang it. Now I can't see it. Do you want

[3:49:45] my readers please?

[3:49:47] >> Point

[3:49:49] Listen Peanut Gallery.

[3:49:52] >> Come on. Um PM2.5.8.

[3:49:56] These guys were re something like 0.5.

[3:49:58] So that's the type of context the

[3:50:00] hospital in Orum or Provo generates

[3:50:03] about the same sort of emissions.

[3:50:05] >> Y

[3:50:06] >> So FYI,

[3:50:07] >> good stuff. Good stuff. Let's let's

[3:50:09] gather those data points and be able to

[3:50:10] put it in context to make an educated Y

[3:50:13] >> decision should it come in in front of

[3:50:15] us.

[3:50:16] >> Appreciate that. Um I don't think we

[3:50:19] have any other discussion items before

[3:50:21] adjouring to close session. We do have

[3:50:22] close session and some items on there

[3:50:24] tonight, right?

[3:50:25] >> Yep.

[3:50:26] >> Anything else before that?

[3:50:27] >> Okay. to entertain a motion.

[3:50:28] >> I move to adjourn to close meeting for

[3:50:30] strategy sessions to discuss pending or

[3:50:32] reasonable imminent litigation or

[3:50:33] strategy sessions to discuss the sale of

[3:50:35] real estate or real property including

[3:50:37] any form of water right shares per Utah

[3:50:40] code 52-4-205

[3:50:42] in the explorer room.

[3:50:44] >> Motion made by Councilman Carden.

[3:50:47] >> Second by Councilman Tuk to adjourn to

[3:50:50] close meeting. All in favor say yes.

[3:50:52] >> Yes.

[3:50:52] >> We're adjourned to close session. Thank

[3:50:54] you all for coming.

Spanish Fork City Council - August 4, 2026

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