[0:00] I think we're close enough. Welcome to

[0:02] the Springdale Town Council meeting.

[0:04] Today is Wednesday, March 11th, 2026.

[0:07] We're at the Canyon Community Center in

[0:09] Springdale, Utah. The time is 5:00 pm.

[0:12] Uh with us from the town, we have

[0:14] Kendall Sagers, Tom Dany, and Robin

[0:17] Romero. On the dis from council, we have

[0:19] Pat Campbell, Randy Eton, me, Barbara

[0:22] Bruno, and Jack Burns. Kyla Topam is

[0:25] excused tonight, and we will start with

[0:27] the pledge of allegiance.

[0:31] I aliance to the flag of the United

[0:35] States of America and to the republic

[0:38] for which it stands. One nation

[0:42] indivisible with liberty and justice for

[0:44] all.

[0:48] » Entertain a motion to approve the

[0:50] regular meeting agenda.

[0:52] >> I move we approve the agenda.

[0:54] >> Second

[0:54] >> motion by Randy and second by Pat.

[0:58] Brandy

[0:58] >> Barbara

[1:01] >> and um are there any general

[1:03] announcements?

[1:04] >> We do have several general

[1:06] announcements. I think first Ryan has

[1:08] some announcements that he would like to

[1:10] give the council.

[1:17] » Quite a few things this month. Uh first

[1:20] off, we have a blood drive that'll be

[1:21] Monday, March 16th. So that's next

[1:23] Monday here at the community center.

[1:25] We're switching things up. We're going

[1:27] to start it at 8:00 a.m. instead of the

[1:28] afternoon. So, we'll go from 8:00 a.m.

[1:30] to midday. I think 12 or 1. Uh, as

[1:33] always, welcome walk-ins are welcome,

[1:35] but people are encouraged to sign up at

[1:36] redcrossblood.org.

[1:39] Um, on Friday, March 20th at 1 p.m., we

[1:41] have a tumbleeed cleanup down at the

[1:43] river park. Um, and uh, special thanks

[1:46] to Council Member Burns for helping put

[1:48] that all together, but it should be a

[1:50] good good time. Um, on Wednesday, March

[1:53] 25th, uh, we'll be celebrating Rick's

[1:56] retirement with an open house. That'll

[1:58] be here in this building, uh, from 3 to

[2:01] 5:00 PM. Once again, that's Wednesday,

[2:03] March 25th. There will be some

[2:04] refreshments and some, uh,

[2:09] socializing, I guess. Uh, two days

[2:11] later, we're going to be having an open

[2:12] house for Tom, a welcome and meet the

[2:14] town manager here, same room, same

[2:17] building at 1:00 p.m. Also, there will

[2:19] be refreshments at that as well. And

[2:21] then last, um, we have Zion Chalk and

[2:23] Earthfest. This is next month, but we're

[2:25] just trying to get word out, um, that we

[2:26] are at a new location. Uh, for the last

[2:29] three years, it's been down at Zion

[2:31] Canyon Village. This year, it's going to

[2:32] be here up on the field and here at the

[2:33] community center. Um, so we hope that

[2:36] people will turn out for that. Um,

[2:37] that's on April 18th and 19th.

[2:40] >> Ryan, where would the where try this

[2:43] again. Where will the chalk art be on

[2:46] the

[2:47] >> this back parking lot?

[2:48] >> Oh, okay.

[2:49] >> Going off the parking lot. So, we'll

[2:51] have the chalk art here. We'll still

[2:53] have festivities up on the field with

[2:55] music and food and drink and some

[2:58] vendors. So, be a lot of fun.

[3:00] >> And you're not going to announce the St.

[3:02] Patrick's Day event because it's not a

[3:04] town event. Huh.

[3:05] >> It's not worth No, I'm just kidding. No,

[3:07] it's not our event. But

[3:09] >> could you just mention it because we've

[3:11] got people that might not

[3:12] >> Sure. Absolutely. Make sure I remember

[3:15] when it is.

[3:17] >> You want me to announce it?

[3:19] >> You want to announce it? It's next

[3:20] Saturday, right? Yeah, we have the St.

[3:21] Patrick's Day parade on Saturday the

[3:23] 21st and then there will be festivities

[3:26] up here on the ball field.

[3:27] >> Yeah, it's the only St. Patrick's Day

[3:29] event in It's only St. Patrick's event

[3:31] in Washington County. So, it's kind of

[3:33] fun. It's uh the 21st the parades at 2

[3:35] pm and then they'll have live music and

[3:39] food trucks and a beer garden and

[3:41] festivities, green jello sculpting

[3:43] contest and all kinds of things going on

[3:45] at the ball field. So,

[3:47] >> okay, any other questions?

[3:50] Okay, thanks.

[3:52] >> Any other general announcements?

[3:54] >> Um, two other announcements. Um, they're

[3:56] both regarding community surveys, and we

[3:59] know how much everyone loves to fill out

[4:00] community surveys, and so now we've got

[4:02] two available for you to get your survey

[4:04] fixed. Um, the first is the Utah State

[4:07] University Well-being Project Survey.

[4:10] The town participated in this two years

[4:12] ago and we got some really valuable

[4:15] input and feedback from the community

[4:16] about um the community's perceptions of

[4:19] well-being in Springdale. This is a a

[4:23] survey that Utah State University puts

[4:25] together and they distribute this to

[4:26] communities across the state. And so we

[4:28] get to see how we compare to other

[4:30] communities. And this will be

[4:32] interesting this year because we took

[4:33] the same survey two years ago. So, not

[4:35] only will we be able to compare how we

[4:37] um how how we comp or see how we compare

[4:40] to other communities, we will be able to

[4:41] see how we compare to our results from

[4:43] two years ago. So, please get the word

[4:46] out. Please um take that survey and it

[4:48] will be important to uh to get those

[4:50] results. The second survey that is

[4:52] currently open is the survey on the um

[4:56] messaging initiative. This is a is an

[4:59] effort that the town's messaging

[5:01] committee is putting together to create

[5:03] some unified messaging for visitors that

[5:07] also um kind of um helps to unify

[5:11] residents around the town's identity and how what we would like to message to

[5:16] visitors about the town when they visit

[5:18] the town, how to be respectful visitors.

[5:20] There was a great presentation on that a

[5:22] couple weeks ago. If you missed that,

[5:24] there's a link to the presentation on

[5:27] the town's website that you can review

[5:29] and then also give us your feedback in a

[5:31] survey about um this initiative. So, if

[5:34] you have not already, please take those

[5:36] two surveys. I should note that the Utah

[5:39] State University well-being survey is

[5:41] only open to residents of Springdale.

[5:44] So, you have to live here to take that

[5:46] survey. The second survey is um is a

[5:49] community survey. So any member of the

[5:51] community is is is able to take the

[5:53] messaging committee or the messaging

[5:55] initiative survey.

[6:04] » The Utah State University well-being

[6:06] survey closes on March 31st.

[6:11] » Anything else?

[6:13] >> That's it.

[6:14] >> Okay.

[6:16] Um, Superintendent Bradybot, do you want

[6:19] to give us an update on Zion National

[6:20] Park?

[6:26] » Good afternoon.

[6:28] Beautiful day here in the canyon for

[6:31] sure. Well, we've had great weather um

[6:35] all through uh February, which is

[6:38] reflected in our um monthly visitation s

[6:42] um uh results. And

[6:46] um we could certainly use some more

[6:48] preip. I'm sure our fire professionals

[6:51] would appreciate that. uh wildfire risk

[6:54] is pretty high, but uh attendance-wise

[6:58] um

[7:00] for this February um just completed uh

[7:05] we're up 8.3%

[7:08] above February last year. It's pretty

[7:11] significant. 177,700

[7:15] plus visitors.

[7:17] Um, and year to date, uh, we're up about

[7:20] 5.35%.

[7:23] Again, you know, we've had very mild

[7:25] January and February. And, uh, while

[7:29] visitation wasn't, you know, at at the

[7:31] summer scale, it was certainly pretty busy for the winter period.

[7:37] Um, couple of project notes. um our

[7:41] south campground uh restoration project

[7:44] that's getting nearer and nearer to

[7:46] completion. Few items left to work on

[7:49] that. We're probably looking at um a

[7:53] late May uh opening to the public.

[7:57] That's for South Campground.

[8:00] Then as you know um we were working on

[8:03] our first phase of our sewer line

[8:05] project up the canyon

[8:08] and uh that was completed um here back

[8:13] in October the second phase or we're

[8:15] going to go from um from the grotto to

[8:20] the temple of Sinowava

[8:23] um that's in engineering and design

[8:26] right now. Um we think we may be able to

[8:30] get started on it uh this coming summer.

[8:34] Uh so just a few months out. Um we've

[8:37] got a few funding things to uh to pull

[8:40] together. Um funding is coming from the

[8:44] state of Utah as well as a Zion Forever

[8:48] project and uh we're working on a a

[8:51] potential um uh grant as well. um

[8:57] through Senator Curtis's office. So,

[8:59] we're trying to pull those disperate

[9:01] pieces of funding together um as we're

[9:04] working on the engineering and design.

[9:06] So, um that's an important uh project

[9:10] for public health and um we really do

[9:14] want to get that one done. So, yeah, be

[9:17] happy to answer any questions.

[9:20] >> What will the reservation system be for

[9:22] the South Campground? Will that be a

[9:24] reserve only or will that

[9:25] >> same as it's been? Yep. It's on

[9:27] recreation.gov. It's It's a reservation.

[9:30] Yep.

[9:31] >> Is it open a year in advance?

[9:34] >> Yeah, I'm not sure. Well, it'll open as

[9:37] soon as we know for sure what the

[9:39] opening date um is going to be. So,

[9:43] we've kind of had that shut down during

[9:45] the construction period. So, as soon as

[9:48] we can nail down um you know, when we're

[9:52] pretty darn sure it's going to be open,

[9:54] then we'll open the reservation system.

[9:56] But yes, you can apply up to a year

[9:58] ahead. Yep.

[10:04] » Yeah. Go.

[10:24] Yeah. You're talking about the chain

[10:26] link fence for the construction. Yeah.

[10:28] When everything's done, then we'll pull

[10:30] that. That's going to be the last thing.

[10:44] It's going to actually be in the road

[10:46] most of the way because there isn't much

[10:49] shoulder to work with. So,

[10:50] >> y'

[10:57] be pressurized uh systems

[11:00] [clears throat] pumps along the way. Y

[11:04] >> will they be doing the same thing with

[11:06] the traffic lights?

[11:08] >> Yeah, traffic control all the way along.

[11:10] Yep.

[11:14] » Thank you.

[11:17] » Are there any questions or comments

[11:20] about the council reports?

[11:22] >> I do have a couple of additions.

[11:24] >> Okay.

[11:26] >> So, uh first off, I report on fireboard

[11:29] the

[11:32] didn't know if we were going to have a

[11:33] meeting in March or not. And we are now.

[11:35] It's going to be March 18th. The county

[11:38] commissioners have finally named the uh

[11:42] the other fireboard members. So, that

[11:44] will be March 18th. And then on the

[11:47] community renewable energy, I reported

[11:50] that uh the public service commission

[11:53] had not approved ours and Rocky

[11:56] Mountains application for our program

[11:58] and now they have. They approved it

[12:01] March 4th

[12:03] and that starts the time clock and I'

[12:06] I've sent you all a copy of the

[12:09] ordinance, but that starts the time

[12:11] clock for each municipality in the fire

[12:15] in the renewable energy program to pass

[12:19] a final ordinance uh adopting the

[12:22] program and becoming part of the

[12:24] program. [clears throat] the U Tom

[12:28] forwarded uh the ordinance, the draft

[12:31] ordinance that we have uh to Greg and I

[12:35] think uh tomorrow there will be a uh

[12:40] attorneys meeting, a Zoom meeting for

[12:42] the attorneys of the municipalities

[12:44] to talk about this ordinance because

[12:46] there was some um

[12:50] some things that we proposed in the

[12:53] ordinance. Um, and and I think John

[12:57] Goodwin

[12:59] from uh Greg's office is going to be in

[13:01] on that Zoom meeting just to kind of

[13:04] give Springdale a voice. But we will we

[13:07] have to uh that 90-day window closes on

[13:12] June 2nd. So, we will have to pass that

[13:16] ordinance by June 2nd. And uh once we go

[13:20] through this attorney's meeting uh and

[13:23] we get kind of the ordinance to where we

[13:26] feel comfortable and our attorney feels

[13:28] comfortable for it, uh I want to try to

[13:31] put it on the April agenda to get this

[13:34] ordinance passed so that we we have it done

[13:40] and and you all have seen a copy of the

[13:41] ordinance. It's it's one that's been

[13:44] drawn up and

[13:49] That is it.

[13:50] >> Mayor, I have two things.

[13:52] >> First up, and I'm sure that what wasn't

[13:54] just the chief, but I'm sure Rob was

[13:56] also involved. If you haven't uh seen or

[13:58] heard about the generator that the chief

[14:00] has put in um actually supplies power

[14:04] for this building and town hall, not the

[14:07] library.

[14:09] So, bring a reading light. Uh but it's

[14:12] up and running. Um and it's really

[14:14] compact, really well hidden. uh noise

[14:16] level is way down. Um and secondly, in

[14:20] conjunction with that, working with uh

[14:21] Tom and Rick on the emergency management

[14:25] preparation, which I we're shooting for

[14:28] August, perhaps

[14:30] uh some tabletop exercises um and some

[14:33] ICS briefings for town staff. Still

[14:37] hasn't been firmed up on the calendar,

[14:38] but it's in the works.

[14:43] We have some representatives from

[14:44] Hurricane Valley Fire here. They don't

[14:46] have a presentation, but if any of you

[14:48] have any questions, we could let you ask

[14:51] those now.

[14:53] Okay. So, the next item on the agenda is

[14:56] a presentation by Lori Wright. Lori is

[14:58] the CEO of Family Healthcare. And Lori,

[15:01] you're welcome to come up and

[15:03] talk to us.

[15:06] Presentation. Yeah. No. [laughter] Um I

[15:10] talked to um Rick this week and so I'm

[15:14] just going to do a pretty casual

[15:15] presentation but open to any questions

[15:17] that you might have. Um I first want to

[15:19] just introduce Family Healthcare. Um

[15:21] we're a 501c3. We've been around since

[15:24] 2002

[15:26] and um we serve a lot of Washington

[15:29] County as well as Iron County. And last

[15:32] year we served over 18,000 patients. We

[15:35] did about 67,000 visits. and we do a lot

[15:39] of different kinds of care and some of

[15:41] those we do out here in Springdale and

[15:43] some we don't but you're welcome if

[15:46] you're a patient to come and get those

[15:48] services anytime. Um out in Springdale

[15:51] we provide medical and we do some

[15:53] behavioral health work for Zion National

[15:55] Park. And then in our other clinics we

[15:58] also do dental we have some psychiatry

[16:00] services

[16:02] optometry

[16:03] and um trying to think what I'm missing

[16:06] and dental. So, um, we're thrilled to be

[16:10] in, um, out here working in Springdale.

[16:13] And I think just to answer a few

[16:15] questions that I've heard and then

[16:17] absolutely happy to answer more. Um, as

[16:20] we do our work out here in Springdale, I

[16:23] think it's been

[16:26] was kind of an answer to a question of

[16:28] who was going to run the clinic after

[16:30] the McManons left and wanting to do that

[16:33] because we feel so strongly about

[16:35] community service and community

[16:36] partnership and wanting to make sure

[16:39] that this community continued to have

[16:41] access to health care as well as serving

[16:43] the tourists that come and go from Zion

[16:45] National Park. So, it's it's both for

[16:47] sure for us. And and over the last two

[16:50] years, we've seen a steady growth in the

[16:52] number of people we're serving,

[16:54] including residents of we look at it

[16:56] from um Springdale, Rockville, and

[16:59] Virgin is how we kind of count residents

[17:01] for the area. And we started in 2023, we

[17:04] were open like four weeks and we saw

[17:06] eight people, which was amazing. And

[17:08] then in 2024 people, these are

[17:11] residents. Um we saw 175 and in 2025 we

[17:15] saw 180. And already in 2026

[17:20] we've seen um 80. So that's quite a few.

[17:23] And then of those we saw quite a few

[17:25] encounters. So those 180 that saw us in

[17:28] 2025 they completed almost 500 visits.

[17:31] So each of them are coming just like we

[17:33] would expect them to come multiple times

[17:35] is that's generally how we do healthcare

[17:38] is see people um for a basic visit and

[17:41] then we see them for subsequent visits.

[17:43] And so, and then I don't know if if

[17:46] you're interested, but the majority of

[17:48] the patients that we serve that aren't

[17:50] from um this community are really from

[17:54] people that are all over the United

[17:55] States that don't live in Utah. So, of

[17:58] those in 2025, we saw over 304.

[18:02] And um that is kind of what you would

[18:05] expect from a national park being part

[18:07] of this community. And then I think also

[18:11] regardless of um different different

[18:14] things I think I know we have limited

[18:16] hours here in Springdale but we are open

[18:18] Monday through Saturday in our St.

[18:20] George office and we're open Monday

[18:23] Tuesday um Thursday Friday in in um

[18:27] hurricane and we see a good many of tour

[18:31] not tourists sorry residents in both

[18:33] those clinics. So we saw 79 in um of the

[18:37] residents in our hurricane visit in

[18:39] visit hurricane clinic and 64 in our St.

[18:43] George and many of those are

[18:45] establishing care there and coming

[18:46] continuously. And so we know that

[18:50] um that there's a variety of different

[18:52] reasons why people might travel to

[18:54] Hurricane or to St. George, but we're

[18:57] excited mostly to be able to do that

[18:58] here in um out here in Springdale town.

[19:03] I think the other thing to think about

[19:05] is we are in a very limited building

[19:10] right now. It's very small for what

[19:12] we're doing. It is.

[19:16] I have providers sitting in weird spots

[19:19] doing notes and it's very hard

[19:23] to keep that continuity that if there

[19:26] were to be well there are days when it's

[19:29] just busy and it's hard to see the

[19:30] patients fluidly and efficiently and it

[19:33] slows down the whole process. And then I

[19:36] think one other question I've been asked

[19:38] is why we're not here on weekends and

[19:40] why we're not here late.

[19:43] And some of that has to do with who I

[19:45] have to hire to put here. So providers

[19:49] um whether they be a nurse practitioner,

[19:51] a physician assistant or phys or a

[19:53] physician, they really require an

[19:56] enducement to work those extra hours.

[19:58] And I'm already paying them to travel

[20:02] their time to travel into Springdale

[20:04] without them seeing patients. And if I

[20:06] kept them here late or on Saturdays, I

[20:10] would have to pay them more. In fact, my

[20:11] Saturday clinic in St. George, I have to

[20:13] pay them double to do that clinic. And

[20:16] the reason why it works for us is I have

[20:18] a grant that helps us offset some of

[20:20] that cost. But we also see 36 patients

[20:23] in six hours. So, it's a very busy

[20:26] urgent care visit, visit, urgent care

[20:29] clinic. So, um, and then the other

[20:32] questions I'm hearing a lot about are

[20:34] pharmacy.

[20:35] So pharmacy is many different things to

[20:38] family health care and one of them is

[20:41] the best way we know how to help

[20:42] patients get access to medication and we

[20:46] have a program that helps anyone who's

[20:48] our patient get access to really

[20:49] discounted medications but it also just

[20:53] helps with continuity of care regardless

[20:54] right so if I see someone and they're a

[20:57] provider sees someone and they're

[20:58] diabetic and they don't have access to

[21:00] insulin or it's hard to get to their

[21:03] strips or their pump supplies supplies,

[21:05] it's hard to continue to take care of

[21:08] them. So, having a pharmacy on site um

[21:11] really helps with that continuity of

[21:12] care. We've seen at our St. George site

[21:16] as well as in Hurrican as we've openies.

[21:19] We've seen um people do better on

[21:22] outcomes, but also they're just happier

[21:24] because they don't have to go to another

[21:26] spot after to get their um

[21:28] prescriptions. And we work really hard

[21:30] to make sure that if we're seeing you in

[21:32] clinic that day, you're not waiting very

[21:35] long to get that prescription. It's we

[21:37] work really hard to make sure it's

[21:38] within 20 minutes of you coming. And

[21:41] usually that's pretty fast turnaround

[21:43] because that's electronically coming to

[21:45] us and it takes a minute sometimes to

[21:47] get to us. But our pharmacy

[21:50] um in Hurricane does about a hundred

[21:54] prescriptions a day when they're open.

[21:57] And that's enough to help us not only

[22:00] take care of all those patients, but

[22:01] there's some revenue that we make there

[22:03] that helps us take care of our patients

[22:05] and hurricane even better. So, it's a

[22:07] win for both. Um, out here in

[22:10] Springdale,

[22:11] I know initially, as long as I've been

[22:14] talking to people in Springdale town,

[22:16] the pharmacy has been something that's I

[22:18] have heard is of interest to the

[22:21] community. And so, having enough space

[22:23] to do a pharmacy is, I think, a critical

[22:25] piece. And one other thing that I think

[22:28] I'm hearing a lot about is behavioral

[22:30] health need. And while I don't always

[22:33] have someone here there, the idea of

[22:36] having space so that we could bring

[22:38] someone here, I think it's really

[22:39] important as we think about the overall

[22:41] needs of the community. And we see all

[22:45] kinds of behavioral health needs from

[22:47] depression to anxiety to substance use

[22:49] disorder and all kinds of things. And

[22:51] we're we're normal humans, so we all

[22:53] kind of have ups and downs and needs for

[22:55] those things. Do you have any other

[22:58] questions for me?

[23:03] » So, right now we're open Monday and

[23:04] Friday and then during the um starting

[23:08] in April, we'll go Monday, Tuesday,

[23:10] Thursday, Friday.

[23:14] Lauri, you mentioned that you have

[23:16] behavioral health available for

[23:18] employees of Z National Park in a bigger

[23:20] building. Would you have that available

[23:22] to members of the community as well?

[23:25] >> So, it's a unique situation with Z

[23:27] National Park because they're paying for

[23:28] those visits whether we see patients or

[23:31] not. So it's um and that is through

[23:35] contract and it's worked really well and

[23:37] most of the time I think I think David's

[23:40] the superintendent is still here so he

[23:42] knows between 85 and 90% full and he's

[23:45] seen a lot of their um employees and I

[23:48] would be happy to do something like that

[23:50] if I knew what kind of utilization we

[23:52] were going to have and um I am almost

[23:57] always open to talking about well I am

[23:59] always open to talking about It's an

[24:01] opportunity for the town to win as well

[24:04] as us to win and making sure it's

[24:05] mutually a win. Um, if there was some

[24:09] way of knowing like if I could put

[24:12] another half day of behavioral health

[24:13] out here and it would be full, then we

[24:15] would be out here. For me, it's a lot

[24:17] about utilization and the cost of that

[24:19] utilization or lack thereof.

[24:24] in if you were in a different building,

[24:27] would we expect to still see the same

[24:29] days of operation including no service

[24:32] on weekends?

[24:34] >> Yeah, I think so.

[24:37] There's a couple of things in play

[24:38] there. And yes, you probably would

[24:40] unless I or the town and I could come to

[24:43] some kind of agreement where there was

[24:45] some help with inducement because

[24:47] bringing someone out here on Saturdays

[24:49] where I'm paying, you know, this isund

[24:52] if it's a nurse practitioner, it's

[24:53] $130,000

[24:55] employee and then I'm doubling that um

[24:58] to have them be here. And if they're not

[25:00] seeing a lot of patients and I'm not

[25:02] making any revenue. So I am completely

[25:05] open to discussions with the town. if

[25:08] you feel like that's vital, you know,

[25:10] what can we do to make that be something

[25:12] that's a win for everybody? Um, paying

[25:15] someone to be here that that that cost

[25:17] is is not possible for me.

[25:23] » If they lived here, um, and they could

[25:26] afford to live here,

[25:29] I don't know if they would they would

[25:31] still want an end for working weekends.

[25:33] I haven't I have yet to meet a provider

[25:35] that will just work weekends without

[25:37] pay.

[25:41] » The olden days that was true, but not

[25:43] current people.

[25:45] >> I think you know like when I get

[25:47] cornered at the post office

[25:49] >> Yeah.

[25:51] >> You know what I hear the most on

[25:53] concerns from people right now realizing

[25:56] where we were in the past is just these

[25:59] limited hours of operation.

[26:02] um no weekend coverage as well as um not

[26:06] being able to actually speak to somebody

[26:08] on the phone. Now, I'm assuming when

[26:10] somebody's working, someone's answering

[26:13] the phone and you can actually talk to a

[26:16] person, but that seems to come up. Um,

[26:20] you know, that if if, uh, they need to

[26:22] set up an appointment when you are

[26:24] closed,

[26:26] um,

[26:28] [clears throat] they would like, you

[26:29] know, a person to speak to.

[26:32] So after hours, I always have a nurse

[26:34] that answers every phone call after

[26:36] hours 24/7, 365. If we're not open,

[26:40] they're answering calls. If I'm closed

[26:41] for a meeting, they're answering calls. So, um, as far as

[26:46] making an appointment, if they answer a

[26:47] call and someone says, "I want an

[26:49] appointment," I have a team that will

[26:50] call them the next day and make the

[26:51] appointment.

[26:53] Always. Um, we also have online

[26:56] scheduling. And I am I will be honest, I

[26:59] don't know that I've opened that to

[27:01] Springdale town, but I definitely could

[27:03] open that to Springdale town. So people

[27:05] could get on at 2 in the morning and

[27:07] make an appointment. And that's

[27:08] something I can go back and check on

[27:10] because I haven't checked on that. But

[27:12] absolutely, right now you could for all

[27:15] most of our providers make appointments

[27:17] anytime.

[27:19] But having someone to talk to, I mean,

[27:21] we don't use any kind of

[27:25] AI tool or we don't send the calls to

[27:27] India. They all come to family

[27:29] healthcare and we're answering every

[27:30] call live. And like I said, I have a

[27:33] really strong team that answers those

[27:34] calls and I have a federal requirement

[27:36] to do that follow-up. So I know what

[27:38] happens. If they've if they've called,

[27:40] we've called them back.

[27:43] >> That online scheduling, that sounds

[27:44] pretty convenient.

[27:45] >> Yeah. and I can get that turned on and

[27:49] can go back to my office tomorrow and

[27:50] start working on it for sure. Yep.

[27:55] And that online scheduling also. So, one

[27:57] of the things that people don't

[27:59] necessarily know is we have what's

[28:00] called a portal. So, if you're a patient

[28:02] and you go into that patient portal, you

[28:04] can email our providers at any time of

[28:06] day and they're all um they are watching

[28:10] their email and if they're not watching

[28:11] their email, we're watching it for them

[28:13] to help them answer those timely. So,

[28:15] you can email your provider. Um, my

[28:18] particular provider, okay, so honestly,

[28:20] I text him, but if he I know my husband

[28:23] likes to act like a real patient, and

[28:25] that's to help me be a better CEO, and

[28:27] so my husband will message him. My

[28:29] daughter who lives in PAC is our patient

[28:32] because she loves him so much. But, um,

[28:35] he answers very timely. So you can send

[28:38] him a email and he'll answer within

[28:42] if it's I would say for him I can say

[28:45] two to three hours but we say 24 hours

[28:47] you get an answer back and if it's

[28:49] urgent um again if you call our nurse

[28:51] line and it's urgent you're going to get

[28:53] an on call doc so we have on call docs

[28:55] 247 365 as well

[28:59] that's just a system thing

[29:03] and our agenda item tonight is about

[29:06] adding medical clinics and pharmacies to

[29:09] the zone. It's not about this clinic,

[29:11] but um so I just want to mention that

[29:14] when when we recruited family healthc

[29:17] care to come up here and work out of

[29:18] this building while we tried to get a a

[29:22] better medical clinic,

[29:25] we're sort of the narrative has turned

[29:27] around and I'd like to get back to the

[29:28] original narrative which is that we were

[29:30] about to lose our medical clinic. The providers were retiring. we were

[29:35] about to lose one of the few things we

[29:37] have in Springdale and don't have to go

[29:38] downhill for. So to be open two days a

[29:42] week when it's just my primary care and

[29:44] I can make an appointment. It's not

[29:46] urgent.

[29:47] It's I can make that appointment and so

[29:49] it's really valuable to me and to be

[29:51] able to get prescriptions here would be the icing on the cake because

[29:56] it's one of the few things I don't have

[29:57] to go down the hill for. I don't expect

[29:59] ever to see a specialist up here.

[30:01] Although you have a mobile clinic, you

[30:03] could do some specialty clinics and that

[30:05] kind of thing, but the narrative I want

[30:07] to be talking about isn't that they're

[30:10] not open enough. They're not they're

[30:14] um there aren't enough locals. What

[30:16] we've got is a clinic that our visitors

[30:19] can help us pay for that benefits

[30:21] locals. And seeing the numbers that you

[30:24] submitted to us about how many locals

[30:25] are using the clinic was really

[30:27] heartening for me because I did not

[30:28] expect that. So um so any questions for

[30:33] family health care this is the time to

[30:34] answer those. They do take all insurance

[30:37] um policy all insurance

[30:38] >> including select health which Helen did

[30:40] not

[30:41] >> right but I also with pharmacy I think

[30:44] one of the things that I've been asked

[30:45] is um what's the difference between a

[30:48] pharmacy that just takes care of our

[30:49] patients versus a pharmacy that takes

[30:51] care of everyone. So I mean I would love

[30:54] for it to be well I have mixed feelings.

[30:56] So but if we can do everyone if you can

[30:58] imagine that means all your specialty

[31:01] drugs everything any prescription you're

[31:04] traveling to get could be done here. Um

[31:06] and we're not going to be any price

[31:10] point different than what you're

[31:11] experiencing at your current pharmacy.

[31:13] Now, if you're our patient and you

[31:16] decide to be our patient, you can still

[31:17] have all your specialty drugs, if we're

[31:20] sending you, if we know you're going to

[31:22] that referral and it's in your medical

[31:23] record and we're talking to you about

[31:24] that specialty, um, and it's cardiology

[31:27] and they're taking care of that part of

[31:29] your work and we're taking care of the

[31:30] rest of you, that cardiology drug can

[31:33] come to our pharmacy and you can get

[31:34] that at very discounted rate if you're

[31:36] our patient. And that's something that

[31:38] no other pharmacy except for another

[31:40] community health center could do for

[31:42] you. And that's an amazing service. The

[31:45] reason I think it's important to be open

[31:46] to everyone is when I think about um

[31:51] first of all, all you all that maybe

[31:52] choose not to come to us, you should

[31:54] still be able to get your prescriptions

[31:56] and not have to drive to get them. And I

[31:58] think that's an amazing thing. And I'm

[32:01] willing to open hours of pharmacy to

[32:03] match need and to work together with,

[32:07] you know, I know I have to be careful

[32:09] because I like you might want us 40

[32:11] hours a week here, but I can't do that.

[32:13] But we can talk about it and make it

[32:14] work for the town as well as us. And

[32:16] maybe that's, you know, what hours of

[32:18] the day are best for the community for

[32:19] us to be here. But the other thing is if

[32:22] I'm on vacation and I'm from the United

[32:25] States and I have a prescription that I

[32:26] need and something happened to it, then

[32:29] my provider can just call it here and I

[32:31] can pick it up. Or if I'm really I mean

[32:34] this is the best part that I love is and

[32:36] having a pharmacy would be so great is

[32:37] if I'm really really sick and I need

[32:39] that prescription today.

[32:41] I mean I can I can drive out your

[32:43] prescriptions right now to you once a

[32:44] week if you really need that. But if

[32:47] you're really sick, that's hard. And so

[32:48] having a pharmacy will really help with

[32:50] those two things as well.

[32:56] » Anything else for Lori? Uh Gail, you had

[32:59] a question?

[33:00] >> Yeah.

[33:01] >> Can you for for the minutes, can you go

[33:03] to the microphone and stays? Sorry.

[33:07] Y Kefir is family health working with

[33:12] Zion National Park to become their first

[33:15] choice of bringing uh injuries to

[33:21] >> That's a great question.

[33:23] >> I have asked National Park about that.

[33:25] They have a medical director that's at

[33:27] St. George Regional which they've had

[33:29] for a very very long time and they're

[33:31] not I think it makes they're not willing

[33:33] to change that relationship and it makes

[33:35] sense. A lot of things that happen in

[33:38] the park that are injuries, we're not

[33:40] going to be able to take care of, right?

[33:42] I mean, we're we're still ambulatory.

[33:44] We're still I don't have a neurologist

[33:46] on site. I can't do surgery, right? If

[33:49] you can ambulate yourself, so we call

[33:51] ourselves ambulatory. So, if you break

[33:53] your leg and you can get into our

[33:54] clinic, we'll take care of your leg.

[33:56] There's very few things that you can

[33:58] walk in that we can't take care of in

[34:00] that clinic. So, if you have if you're

[34:02] having heat stroke and you can actually

[34:04] get yourself in there, we'll treat your

[34:05] heat stroke. But if you have to be

[34:08] transported, the park and I think to

[34:10] protect their liability, you're going to

[34:12] head out to St. George Regional.

[34:15] So, if if you're getting in that EMS, if

[34:17] you're getting in that ambulance, you're

[34:19] off to St. George Regional. But if you

[34:21] can walk to us and having help, I mean,

[34:25] that doesn't have to just be you

[34:26] walking, but you get help to come to us.

[34:28] I broke my ankle. I did one of those

[34:30] great breaks where you have I have a

[34:32] plate and pins and screws on my ankle

[34:35] and I walked myself into emergency room

[34:37] and probably shouldn't have but I did

[34:40] and and I could have walked in here and

[34:42] Katie could have taken care of me.

[34:46] She wouldn't been able to do the surgery

[34:48] but she would have taken care of me and

[34:49] then set up the surgery because I had to

[34:50] have surgery. So yeah. Does that answer

[34:53] your question?

[34:54] >> Yes. I'm just trying to figure out how

[35:01] um trying to figure out and it's not my

[35:04] job to figure it out, but I'm just

[35:06] trying to understand how we grow the

[35:10] clinic big enough to take care of those

[35:13] types of things or if we will never be

[35:15] there.

[35:19] » I don't think we're ever going to be a

[35:22] trauma center like St. George Regional

[35:24] ever. they bypass hurricane emergency

[35:28] and go out to St. regional I think

[35:29] because of the level of I don't know

[35:33] >> so sometimes you go to hurricane

[35:35] >> so I mean I would love it if they

[35:37] brought their simple fractures to us but

[35:39] that's a conversation that

[35:42] um hasn't been had yet and I think they

[35:44] have liability and there's reasons why

[35:46] they would not do that but like I said I

[35:50] think

[35:51] this particular clinic if we were going

[35:53] to start taking every accident that came

[35:55] out of the park um we would need a lot

[36:00] we'd need a different kind of surgical

[36:01] space to be built so that we could take

[36:04] care of it and we'd have to hire

[36:05] appropriate staff which would be very

[36:08] expensive because a lot of that is

[36:10] physician only and you can have a um a

[36:13] nurse practitioner a PA assessed but

[36:16] they're not going to be doing a lot of

[36:17] that work that an ER doc does.

[36:20] So I don't anticipate that's where we're

[36:23] growing. What I think would be the way

[36:25] to help this is to help people who are

[36:28] going to the park to understand that if

[36:31] you have a sprain or [laughter]

[36:36] heat

[36:40] us and we can take care of that during

[36:42] our hours

[36:44] so which we see a lot of by the way we

[36:47] take care of a lot of heat we do IV

[36:49] therapy we we take care of a lot of

[36:52] abrasions we've set femur fractures um

[36:55] lower leg fractures we've had arm

[36:57] fractures lower arm and upper arm

[37:00] fractures. We've had sprained ankles and

[37:03] >> squirrel bites.

[37:05] >> It is electric bikes.

[37:06] >> Squirrel bites.

[37:07] >> Yeah, we love them. I'm just kidding.

[37:09] But um but we we see a lot of a lot of

[37:13] injury, particularly in the summer. Now,

[37:15] the local residents, we're seeing normal

[37:17] stuff like basic family practice stuff,

[37:21] but um because in our clinic in St.

[37:23] George, we don't do a lot of breaks. Um,

[37:26] I have Katie who does who's dual

[37:28] certified in emergency medicine. That's

[37:30] why she's here. And I'm in the process

[37:32] of hiring someone to help cover

[37:34] Springdale the two other days who also

[37:36] I'm looking for emergency medicine

[37:37] experience for that reason.

[37:42] » So, you are a community clinic.

[37:44] >> We're a community clinic and we want to

[37:46] take care of the community and and I

[37:48] like matching specialty with my

[37:50] providers to what's needed. So, um,

[37:54] yeah. And then I think the behavioral

[37:56] health question, I think such a great

[37:57] question. And some of the cool things

[38:00] about having behavioral health here is

[38:02] even if I have a behavioral health

[38:04] provider here, they have access to some

[38:06] really cool things with our St. George

[38:08] office. I have um I have a psych

[38:10] psychiatric nurse practitioner and a

[38:12] physician who are both um dual certified

[38:14] in addiction medicine. So if you have

[38:17] someone come in and they have

[38:18] alcoholism, they really know how to take

[38:20] care of that and how to help people not

[38:23] just get a medication and move on, but

[38:25] take really get to care. That's true for

[38:28] a lot of those kinds of things. And if

[38:30] um if you have dental pain right now,

[38:34] we've had some upheaval in our dental

[38:36] team, but I just stabilized it by hiring

[38:38] a provider that's been with us for three

[38:40] years, and he'll be with us for another,

[38:41] I hope, 10, 15 years. But if you have

[38:44] pain, dental pain is a big emergency

[38:46] thing, but we're working really hard to

[38:48] then say to someone, "Yeah, you're in

[38:49] Springdale and you have dental pain, but

[38:51] you can go to our clinic in St. George

[38:52] tomorrow and be seen rather than go to

[38:55] the ER because so much of that goes to

[38:56] the ER." And it's so much less expensive

[38:59] to come to a dent a dentist rather than

[39:02] going to the ER.

[39:04] So, we're trying hard to do the right

[39:08] thing all the time. And for me, for this

[39:11] whole thing with the town, and I'm just

[39:12] to be totally frank, it's not a we're

[39:15] not making money out here. Um, we're

[39:18] making we're making money, but I'm I'm

[39:20] definitely still right on the verge of

[39:22] being in the red and being out here. And

[39:24] I'm okay with that because we feel so

[39:27] strongly about taking care of the

[39:28] community. And we think that opening the

[39:30] pharmacy is going to help us move that

[39:32] into the being making money. That makes

[39:34] sense. But that's one of the reasons

[39:36] that ours are limited is to help us

[39:39] safeguard

[39:41] my obligation to keep our agency running

[39:45] um fiscally strong and not putting any

[39:48] of our company in jeopardy, but also

[39:50] continuing to provide services here. So,

[39:52] it's a balance and I I think we've

[39:55] struck a pretty good balance. The first

[39:56] year we were definitely lost money. We

[39:58] changed some staffing and we're

[40:00] definitely we're much closer to being um

[40:02] breaking even and we're we'll be we will

[40:05] be right there with pharmacy.

[40:10] » Thank you, Lori.

[40:11] >> Hey, appreciate it.

[40:16] » Okay. Um are there any community

[40:19] comments?

[40:22] If so, state your name and make your

[40:23] comments and please limit those to three

[40:26] minutes.

[40:28] Evening everyone. Lisa Zump Springdale.

[40:31] I have two comments. The first one is

[40:35] thank you so much for the Springdale

[40:38] reptax. We had Zarts had the talent show

[40:42] that we said was going to be happening

[40:44] from the raptax and it was last Friday.

[40:48] We it it

[40:49] >> Thursday, excuse me. Thank you, mayor.

[40:52] It was held in Rockville. We had over 70

[40:54] attendees

[40:55] um from all parts of the canyon, Virgin,

[40:58] Rockville, Springdale, and the National

[40:59] Park. The show included five children's

[41:01] acts with six children. So, we had one

[41:05] duo from Virgin, Rockville, and

[41:06] Springdale. And we had eight adult acts

[41:08] with 10 adults from Springdale,

[41:10] Rockville, Virgin, and Z National Park.

[41:13] The ma the judges were Mayor B Mayor's

[41:15] Berno and Krauss. Um, Mayor Leech was

[41:18] out of the country, so Michael Evansson

[41:20] sat in for her and they all they did a

[41:22] great job for us. So, I just want you to

[41:25] know that I think it was a really

[41:27] successful event. And one of my goals

[41:29] for this was to see how well we could

[41:32] really bring the community together and

[41:33] we had a great representation from both

[41:36] the LDS church and members and from the

[41:40] nonLDDS community. So, I I think it was

[41:42] just a a great all-around community.

[41:44] Thank you so much for that money. So,

[41:47] um, because there's no comment, uh,

[41:48] period for, uh, opportunity for section

[41:51] or item D1, the HR agreement for the new

[41:54] town manager, um, I want to just be on

[41:57] record. I support the decision of the

[41:58] town council and the contract

[42:00] compensation amount. Tom is going to do

[42:02] a great job and eventually I think that

[42:04] the town will still need to hire another

[42:06] person to cover the expansive number of

[42:08] responsibilities that Rick has taken

[42:10] over the past 20 years. If you hadn't

[42:13] offered the to the job to Tom, you'd

[42:15] probably have to hire three people to do

[42:17] this job. So, I'm just supporting the your vote on the contract tonight.

[42:21] So, thank you so much.

[42:23] >> You

[42:25] any other comments?

[42:28] Okay. And I would entertain a motion to

[42:31] approve the consent agenda, which is a

[42:33] review of the monthly purchasing report,

[42:35] reappoint of Heidi Lee to the Springdale

[42:38] Historic Preservation Commission, and

[42:40] resolution 2026-04,

[42:43] a resolution designating surplus town

[42:46] property and providing for sale or

[42:48] disposal.

[42:49] >> Move to approve the consent agenda.

[42:52] >> I'll second.

[42:53] >> Motion by Jack and second by Randy.

[42:55] >> Pat I.

[42:55] >> Randy,

[42:56] >> Barbry.

[42:57] Okay. The next item on the agenda is a

[43:00] public hearing uh for ordinance 2026-06,

[43:05] which was formerly 2025-20,

[43:07] amending chapter 10-7A of the town code

[43:11] by adding medical and dental clinics as

[43:13] permitted uses in the central

[43:15] commercial,

[43:17] village commercial, and public use

[43:19] zones. adding definitions of two types

[43:21] ofarmacies in section 1022 and

[43:24] potentially allowing pharmacies operated

[43:27] in conjunction with the medical clinic

[43:28] as permitted uses in the public use

[43:30] zone. The staff contact is Tom Danzy and

[43:34] we will be following the public hearing

[43:36] format on the back of the agenda. So

[43:38] we'll start with an introduction from

[43:41] Tom.

[43:43] >> Thank you mayor. Um this is a

[43:44] continuation of an item that you heard

[43:46] in January. Um, and as as you mentioned,

[43:49] mayor, the critical policy decisions

[43:51] that you'll be making tonight are to

[43:53] clarify where medical clinics in which

[43:56] zones medical clinics are um should be

[43:58] located in the town. Currently, we have

[44:00] a definition of what a medical clinic

[44:02] is, but the code does not specifically

[44:05] allow them in any zone. And so, your one policy decision tonight is to

[44:11] determine in which zones they should be

[44:13] allowed. as proposed in the ordinance.

[44:16] Um these would be allowed in the village

[44:18] commercial, central commercial, and

[44:20] public use zone.

[44:23] Um the second policy question that

[44:25] you'll need to consider tonight is um

[44:27] whether or not to allowies

[44:30] in the public use zone. Um pharmacies

[44:33] are currently drugstores andarmacies are

[44:35] currently allowed in the village in the

[44:36] village commercial and central

[44:38] commercial zones, but not in the public

[44:41] use zone. Um, this point was a a point

[44:44] of considerable discussion in your

[44:46] previous meeting whether or not to allow

[44:49] pharmacies in the public use zone and if

[44:52] so, what should the nature of

[44:54] thosearmacies be? Um, the uh general

[44:58] consensus was that if a pharmacy is

[45:00] allowed in the public use zone, it needs

[45:02] to be operated in conjunction with a

[45:05] clinic. Um but still what the nature of

[45:08] that relationship to the clinic should

[45:11] be was undetermined. Um particularly

[45:13] about who should the clientele of the

[45:16] pharmacy be. Should it be open to the

[45:18] general public or should it be only

[45:19] serve patients of the clinic and what

[45:23] types of services should the pharmacy

[45:25] offer? Should it only be prescription

[45:27] medicine or should it be um any kind of

[45:30] health related product like prescription

[45:32] or over-the-counter medicine or other

[45:34] health related supplies?

[45:36] Um, in response to your discussion in

[45:38] the in the last meeting, um, we've

[45:41] revised the proposed ordinance in a

[45:43] couple of ways. One is we've removed all

[45:46] references to drugstores from the

[45:49] ordinance. Um, drugstores, although not

[45:52] defined in our code, generally have a a

[45:56] um connotation that they're they're not

[45:59] only selling medicines, but other

[46:00] general retail items. And based on your

[46:02] dis discussion last night, it was clear

[46:04] that that was not your intent for

[46:06] pharmacies. So we removed drugstores

[46:08] from all mentioned in the code and

[46:11] included definitions of pharmacies, two

[46:13] types. One is a standalone pharmacy.

[46:16] These would be allowed in the village

[46:19] commercial and central commercial zones.

[46:21] These would be um um businesses or or

[46:24] establishments that provide any type of health related product. So

[46:29] prescription medication,

[46:31] over-the-counter medication, um, and

[46:33] other health related services like

[46:35] vaccinations or health screenings. So

[46:37] that's the proposed definition of a

[46:38] standalone pharmacy. And again, those

[46:40] are proposed to be located in the

[46:42] central commercial and village

[46:43] commercial zone as they already are.

[46:46] The um second part of of the definitions

[46:49] is a definition of what's called a

[46:51] pharmacy in conjunction and associated

[46:53] with a dental or medical clinic. And

[46:55] again, there's there's two options here

[46:57] for you to to choose from if you choose

[46:59] to allowies in the public use zone.

[47:02] Again, one is is much more um

[47:04] constrained in the services and

[47:06] clientele that can come to the pharmacy,

[47:08] only prescription medication and only

[47:10] serving patients of the clinic. The

[47:14] other is um more expansive. that would

[47:17] allow essentially the same types of

[47:19] services that a um standalone pharmacy

[47:22] would allow with the uh requirement that

[47:24] the pharmacy be operated in conjunction

[47:26] and housed in the same building as a medical clinic. So that if if you

[47:32] choose to go with that definition, the

[47:34] pharmacy in addition to prescription

[47:36] medication could also provide

[47:37] over-the-counter medication um

[47:39] vaccinations and those types of things

[47:41] and could serve both patients and

[47:43] non-patients of the clinic. So, those

[47:46] are the policy considerations for you to consider tonight. Um, just a a note

[47:53] that the current definition of clinic in

[47:56] the town code um contains a reference to

[47:59] an included pharmacy. So, if you decided

[48:02] to allow clinics in the public use zone

[48:05] but noties, we would need to amend that

[48:08] definition as well to avoid any kind of

[48:11] um conflict about whether or noties are

[48:13] allowed in the public use zone. Any

[48:16] questions?

[48:20] » Questions from council?

[48:22] Any question? Sorry.

[48:28] » In the deliberation. Okay. Um any

[48:31] >> question?

[48:32] >> Okay. Any any uh questions for

[48:36] clarification from the audience?

[48:39] Okay. Then I would I would entertain a

[48:42] motion to open public hearing.

[48:44] Make a motion to

[48:47] second

[48:48] >> motion by Pat. Motion by let's say or a

[48:51] second by Jack

[48:57] » Pat

[48:59] or Bri.

[49:01] >> Okay, we're in public hearing.

[49:08] » This is Springdale. Um the general plan

[49:13] contains several references supporting

[49:16] and encouraging enhanced medical service

[49:19] in the town which were noted in the

[49:21] January staff report. Um I ask that you

[49:24] allow the dental and medical clinics in

[49:26] the CC, VC and PU zones and allow

[49:30] pharmacies as an appropriate use in the

[49:33] PU zone which I believe is under option

[49:35] one. I believe that's the the correct

[49:38] option. any concerns regarding business

[49:41] clinical decisions such as will this

[49:43] pencil out. I think that should be left

[49:44] to the nonprofit to let them decide if

[49:46] they can make it or not. It's really not

[49:49] the town's business to decide who's

[49:52] going to make money or not. I think

[49:54] that's I don't think businesses are

[49:55] going to come in here and do whether

[49:56] it's a nonprofit or not are going to do

[49:58] it if they don't think they can make it.

[50:00] Um and so this also commits to a

[50:03] pharmacy to decide it's financially

[50:05] practical too. So, I think you want to

[50:08] give a little trust to these people who

[50:09] I think kind of know what they're

[50:10] talking about. These changes are going

[50:12] to support our community for the future

[50:14] and ensure that the town is compliant

[50:16] with its own ordinances. Thank you.

[50:21] » Any other comments?

[50:24] Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to

[50:26] close the public hearing.

[50:28] >> Make a motion to close the public

[50:29] hearing.

[50:30] >> Second.

[50:30] >> Motion by Pat and second by Randy.

[50:33] >> Randy.

[50:34] >> Barbara.

[50:36] Okay. So, we're in deliberation.

[50:43] » Pat, I think you said you had some

[50:44] questions.

[50:46] >> Tom, I want to engage you in this

[50:48] conversation and maybe Lori can help out

[50:50] here. The the code we have

[50:55] that

[50:57] first of all doesn't doesn't have a a

[50:59] really good definition, I don't think,

[51:00] of what a pharmacy is, but the state

[51:03] code is fairly clear. what that is. Is

[51:06] there a reason why we don't use the

[51:07] state code definition for pharmacy?

[51:10] That's my first question

[51:13] and I can I can read it to you what it

[51:15] is and see what you think.

[51:18] Yeah. So, so there are many definitions

[51:20] of pharmacy. There's the state code

[51:21] definition of what a licensed pharmacy

[51:24] is. Other municipalities have different

[51:27] definitions. So, in crafting these

[51:29] definition and and you're right, Pat,

[51:31] the town code doesn't have any

[51:32] definition of pharmacy right now. Um so

[51:34] in crafting these different definitions

[51:36] I referenced all of those the state code

[51:39] um St. George city code other

[51:41] municipalities codes and tried to also

[51:44] respond to the feedback from the council

[51:46] in the last meeting. But if there's a

[51:48] better option certainly then then yeah

[51:50] there's there's we we should go with

[51:51] what option the council feels best for

[51:54] what a pharmacy is.

[51:56] >> I'll read it just for the rest of the

[51:58] council's edification. The state code is

[52:00] laid out in 5817B102.

[52:02] A pharmacy means any place and this

[52:05] doesn't conflict with what you're

[52:08] proposing. I just I'm suggesting this as

[52:09] maybe a clarification.

[52:12] >> Uh where drugs are dispenseed,

[52:13] pharmaceutical care is provided, drugs

[52:15] are processed, handled or for eventual

[52:17] use by a patient or drugs are used for

[52:19] the purpose of research, teaching,

[52:21] chemical analysis but not offered for

[52:22] sale or dispensing.

[52:24] That's the state code. The state also

[52:28] categorizes two different types of

[52:30] pharmacy and again the code you've

[52:33] crafted

[52:34] points to both of those

[52:37] where we say it's a standalone pharmacy

[52:39] state code calls it a class A pharmacy

[52:42] and that's a pharmacy that's located in

[52:44] Utah is authorized as a retail pharmacy

[52:46] to compound or dispense a drug or

[52:48] dispense a device to the public under

[52:50] prescription order and that would be I

[52:52] think you're called a standalone or your

[52:54] face front pharmacy. The state code also

[52:57] calls for a class B pharmacy, which

[52:59] means a pharmacy located in Utah

[53:02] authorized to provide pharmaceutical

[53:03] care for patients in an institutional

[53:05] setting and whose primary purpose is to

[53:08] provide a physical environment for

[53:09] patients to obtain health care services

[53:11] and includes closed door hospital clinic

[53:14] and pharmaceutical drugs. And the closed

[53:17] door

[53:18] is designed for an exclusive group of

[53:21] clinic patients. So what I'm suggesting

[53:25] obviously our decision is that we change

[53:28] the terms

[53:32] um

[53:33] pharmacy in conjunction with associated

[53:36] medical clinic and call that a class B

[53:38] and reference the state code and a

[53:41] pharmacy standalone would be a pharmacy

[53:43] A and reference the state code.

[53:46] I don't think it changes what you intend

[53:47] to do. It just puts us more in line with

[53:50] how the state code reads.

[53:52] So, how does that relate to

[53:55] uh pharmacies for patients only versus

[53:59] the general public? Which which would

[54:01] that be?

[54:01] >> Class Class A is your standalone open to

[54:05] the general public. A class B is for

[54:07] institutional patients, patients that

[54:09] are that are people that are patients of the medical clinic.

[54:16] I don't think it changes

[54:18] the definition all that much, but I

[54:21] think it I think it is more on point.

[54:23] Again, just my opinion.

[54:26] >> I think maybe it's broader than we want

[54:29] because I think after our conversation

[54:31] last meeting that we wanted to narrow it

[54:33] down more. I think the state the state

[54:35] definition might be a little broader

[54:37] than what we talked about. And I'm I'm

[54:40] open to broadening up, but I know that

[54:42] we talked about more what what we have

[54:45] here.

[54:47] >> And I think one of the big things that

[54:49] we talked about with this is that that

[54:53] pharmacy would be both

[54:57] uh business-wise and physically

[55:01] connected to the clinic. We wanted it in

[55:04] the clinic building. When I think of a

[55:06] standalone, I think of a separate

[55:09] building that that's open different

[55:12] hours etc. And and I what I like about

[55:15] the way we've kind of defined it here is

[55:18] that it is a pharmacy that is in

[55:21] conjunction and associated with the

[55:23] medical clinic meaning that the medical

[55:26] clinic is actually the one that has the

[55:30] control over pharmacys

[55:32] etc. When when I think about a

[55:33] standalone and and it's just my thought,

[55:37] it would be a whole different entity. It would be like if Walgreens came up

[55:41] here and put a pharmacy there

[55:43] >> and didn't have anything to do with the

[55:44] clinic.

[55:44] >> That's what the state

[55:45] >> and that's a class A, right?

[55:48] >> Class B provides pharmaceutical care for

[55:50] patients in an institutional setting,

[55:52] which means part of the clinic. in the

[55:56] only dispute I have is where you say it

[55:57] has to be using connection or associated

[56:00] with

[56:02] um housed in the same building I I get

[56:04] that I mean it I guess it gets to the

[56:06] same point but I think aligning it more

[56:09] with how the state code reads I don't

[56:10] think I don't think it changes it much

[56:12] maybe it does but I don't think it does

[56:14] and again just a suggestion

[56:15] >> so Pat which the the class B and the

[56:18] state code which of these definitions do

[56:20] you think it's closest to

[56:23] you you read it to us. But

[56:25] >> the standalone would be your class A. I

[56:27] think the only thing the class A adds

[56:30] um it says it's authorized as a retail

[56:32] pharmacy, which I what I think the

[56:34] standalone is. It doesn't say that

[56:36] there, but that's what standalone means,

[56:38] right? Well, [snorts and clears throat]

[56:41] retail pharmacy.

[56:43] >> No.

[56:44] >> Yeah. Yeah. and and um

[56:48] and so um

[56:52] you know if if we were to allow

[56:55] standaloneies in village commercial and

[56:58] center commercial

[57:01] I I have no problem with that

[57:04] >> to have a standalone not in conjunction

[57:07] with the uh with the medical clinic in a

[57:11] public use zone

[57:14] I Yes, I would have a problem with that.

[57:16] And and I think the feedback that we

[57:18] have been getting from our residents are

[57:21] that

[57:24] they I think they would consider that a

[57:26] commercial establishment,

[57:27] >> right? and and and I think what our

[57:31] intent is with this pharmacy

[57:34] and [clears throat] with with citing

[57:36] anything in the public use zone is that

[57:40] it doesn't in any way come into that re

[57:45] what most people would consider a retail

[57:48] pharmacy

[57:51] you know that's just the way I'm

[57:53] thinking about it and that's the way I

[57:55] have been thinking about it in terms of

[57:58] a pharmacy on on public use property

[58:02] >> place though like

[58:06] >> as it relates to public use zone I think

[58:09] it should be a pharmacy in conjunction

[58:12] with a medical clinic

[58:14] >> exactly that's what I'm saying

[58:15] >> however I think that if there is a

[58:18] pharmacy need for the general public

[58:22] they should be able to access that

[58:24] pharmacy

[58:26] >> and and I totally agree with that and

[58:28] that was that is the one concern I have

[58:31] with the way we've kind of uh worded

[58:35] this right now is I'm

[58:39] uh

[58:41] I would like

[58:43] the general public to be able So when I

[58:47] think about that I think about tourists

[58:50] that are coming as Lori was talking

[58:53] about to

[58:55] um

[58:56] to design Z National Park and they need

[59:01] a prescription refilled. That's what I

[59:04] think about is general public and

[59:07] um

[59:08] >> and then Lor's kind of

[59:11] >> answer

[59:13] will you go to the

[59:17] » our clinic in St. George is a which you

[59:20] have put up there as a standalone but is

[59:23] inside our clinic.

[59:25] So it allows us to serve our patients as

[59:28] well as the general population.

[59:30] >> What zone? What zone is it in?

[59:32] >> What zone?

[59:34] It's

[59:34] >> Is it a public use zone?

[59:36] >> So you would that's not I'm not I'm just

[59:38] saying it's a pharmacy. So in the

[59:40] pharmacy sense of

[59:43] um can it be a class A or a class B? a

[59:47] class A or class B can be in my clinic.

[59:50] That's what I'm trying to say. So, are

[59:52] you trying to say what you want in the

[59:54] zone or

[59:56] >> you're saying that that our our case is

[59:58] different than your clinic in?

[59:59] >> Sure.

[1:00:00] >> In the case that it's in a public use

[1:00:02] zone, but the use of the definition.

[1:00:05] So what you have there would mean that

[1:00:07] no one in your community who's not our

[1:00:09] patient could use the pharmacy

[1:00:12] or a Zion National Park couldn't you

[1:00:16] know someone who's a visitor couldn't

[1:00:17] >> I think

[1:00:19] >> that's one of them

[1:00:21] >> can I just clarify can I just clarify

[1:00:23] how I've structured this ordinance

[1:00:24] because I I think it's a little bit

[1:00:26] confusing I apologize so there's there's

[1:00:29] three different displayed on the screen

[1:00:30] right now there are three different

[1:00:32] definitions but there's actually only

[1:00:33] two so these refers to pharmacy in

[1:00:36] conjunction and associated with a met

[1:00:38] with a dental or medical clinic and then

[1:00:40] pharmacy in conjunction and associated

[1:00:42] with a dental or medical. These are two different options for the

[1:00:45] same definition.

[1:00:47] One of them would allow the general

[1:00:49] public to visit,

[1:00:52] one of them would not. Um, so this first

[1:00:56] one here says, hey, a pharmacy in

[1:01:00] conjunction and associated with a dental

[1:01:01] or medical clinic is essentially

[1:01:03] offering the same thing that you're

[1:01:05] going to get in a standalone pharmacy

[1:01:08] that is offering services to the general

[1:01:10] public. It just needs to be in the same

[1:01:12] building as a medical or dental clinic

[1:01:14] and and operated in conjunction. So if you want the general public to be

[1:01:18] able to visit the pharmacy, this is the

[1:01:21] definition that you would want to

[1:01:22] choose. If you don't want the

[1:01:24] definition, the general public to visit

[1:01:27] a pharmacy in the public use zone, you

[1:01:29] would choose this second definition

[1:01:32] because this one says that you only

[1:01:35] providing um pharmaceutical

[1:01:38] drugs. So, you have to have a you have

[1:01:39] to have a prescription um and only to

[1:01:41] the patients of the dental or medical

[1:01:43] clinic and it's limited to dispensing of

[1:01:46] prescription medication. So, if you only

[1:01:48] want prescription medication and you

[1:01:50] only want patients of the clinic, you

[1:01:51] would choose the second definition.

[1:01:53] Right. Does that make sense?

[1:01:55] >> Yeah. Um and and that was kind of the

[1:01:58] crux of it last time. And I think Lisa

[1:02:00] had said she supports number one. I

[1:02:03] especially after hearing Lor's

[1:02:05] presentation feel like

[1:02:08] it's it's better for them and for us and

[1:02:12] our visitors to have that first

[1:02:14] definition that gives a little leeway.

[1:02:16] So So you don't have to be a patient.

[1:02:19] So, I like definition number one in the

[1:02:22] public use zone.

[1:02:23] >> And Tom, I um you know, I know that one

[1:02:27] of the stumbling blocks

[1:02:30] with all of this for some council

[1:02:33] members and for the public is just this

[1:02:37] public use zone and and it's like the

[1:02:41] question went to Lori, what's public use

[1:02:43] in or what's the use zone in what's it

[1:02:45] owned in St. George? So, and I talked to

[1:02:48] Tom about this earlier today and I know

[1:02:50] this uh this is an issue and I don't

[1:02:52] know what uh were you able to find

[1:02:55] anything in the state just in general

[1:02:58] how other municipalities and and

[1:03:01] counties have kind of covered this uh

[1:03:04] with their zoning.

[1:03:06] >> Yeah. So, so Randy called this morning

[1:03:08] and and asked me to do this research.

[1:03:10] And just in general, I'll I'll preface

[1:03:12] this by saying that the state

[1:03:14] legislature has delegated to individual

[1:03:18] municipalities legislative control over

[1:03:21] zoning. So, you are not bound by

[1:03:24] anything in the state code or anything

[1:03:27] that another municipality does with how

[1:03:30] you set up your own zoning in your

[1:03:33] community. You get to choose what goes

[1:03:36] into each zone specific to the needs and

[1:03:40] circumstances of your community.

[1:03:43] Having said that, Randy said, "Well,

[1:03:45] what do other communities do?" So, so I

[1:03:47] looked um and um St. uh the public use

[1:03:51] zone actually is is kind of unique to

[1:03:53] Springdale. Um St. George does not have

[1:03:56] a public use zone. They have something

[1:03:58] called an administrative professional

[1:04:00] zone which allows public uses. That's

[1:04:03] where all the government um facilities

[1:04:05] in St. George are located, but it also

[1:04:06] allows hospitals, medical labs, medical

[1:04:08] offices, andarmacies.

[1:04:11] Um Washington is similar. They don't

[1:04:12] have a public use zone. They have the

[1:04:14] same administrative and professional

[1:04:15] zone, which again allows medical

[1:04:17] offices. Um they don't have they don't

[1:04:21] mention pharmacy a traditional pharmacy

[1:04:24] at all but strangely enough they do

[1:04:26] allow a medical cannabis pharmacy in

[1:04:28] their administrative and professional

[1:04:30] zone which is kind of their equivalent

[1:04:31] of the public use zone.

[1:04:35] Um in that same zone however they also

[1:04:37] offer offer um allow banks and food

[1:04:39] trucks in that what their version of the

[1:04:41] public use zone. Um Cedar City does not

[1:04:45] have a public use zone. They allow

[1:04:47] medical clinics as a conditional use in

[1:04:48] their residential zones. Um, Hurricane

[1:04:51] has something called the public

[1:04:52] facilities zone which allows hospitals,

[1:04:55] medical or dental laboratories. It also

[1:04:58] in their public facility uh zone allows

[1:05:01] funeral homes and reception centers. Um

[1:05:04] the uh Park City has something called a

[1:05:07] public use transition zone that allows

[1:05:09] again their government services, but it

[1:05:11] also allows things like food trucks,

[1:05:13] liquor stores, commercial retail,

[1:05:15] restaurant, and quasi public uses. So

[1:05:18] the the takeaway is I I hope you're

[1:05:20] getting is that there there is no

[1:05:23] uniformity in in the state in other

[1:05:25] municipalities about

[1:05:28] are clinics an appropriate use in quote

[1:05:30] unquote or pharmacies an appropriate use

[1:05:32] quote unquote in the public use zone.

[1:05:34] That's because the state has delegated

[1:05:35] that decision to you. You get to make

[1:05:37] that decision whether or not that's

[1:05:38] appropriate spring or not. But but it

[1:05:41] sounds like

[1:05:43] um generally

[1:05:45] even though a public use zone is maybe

[1:05:47] unique to us, it sounds like similar

[1:05:49] zones in other cities allow this.

[1:05:51] >> Correct.

[1:05:52] >> Yeah. And that that was the point of I

[1:05:55] wanted to to make with this question and Tom's

[1:06:00] uh it we're not we're not breaking the

[1:06:03] mold here. We're not allowing something

[1:06:05] that's really out of the ordinary with

[1:06:08] anybody else. We we kind of have a

[1:06:10] unique zone in the way we have defined

[1:06:13] it. Uh but the other municipalities

[1:06:18] in

[1:06:20] zones that they

[1:06:22] have sort of made public use, they allow

[1:06:27] things like hospitals and in medical

[1:06:29] clinic andarmacies. So, we're not we're

[1:06:32] not really going way out of bounds on

[1:06:35] this and we're not doing something

[1:06:36] that's uh really I think inconsistent

[1:06:40] with the intent and with uh what the town councils who

[1:06:48] established this public zone uh public

[1:06:51] use zone

[1:06:52] >> might have had in mind.

[1:06:53] >> I've got the definition of the public

[1:06:55] use zone in front of me. May I read it

[1:06:58] before you go ahead? The public use zone

[1:07:00] is established to provide for the

[1:07:02] location and establishment of public and

[1:07:04] quasi public facilities.

[1:07:07] >> That simple.

[1:07:10] >> And to Lor's credit, the fact that this

[1:07:13] is a nonprofit

[1:07:16] uh quasi public perhaps medical clinic.

[1:07:20] We I think we and I agreed that we

[1:07:23] established that that would be okay on

[1:07:26] public use land because it is this kind

[1:07:28] of nonprofit organization. Uh

[1:07:30] hypothetically, what if an independent

[1:07:33] organization came in uh so Utah

[1:07:36] emergency physicians came in and said,

[1:07:38] "We'd like to put a clinic right next to

[1:07:40] Lor's clinic, uh but we are a for-profit

[1:07:43] organization." Would that would that rub

[1:07:45] us the wrong way? That would still be

[1:07:48] okay. Well, let's let me kind of

[1:07:52] >> go back again. Yeah. And I I know what

[1:07:55] you're saying

[1:07:55] >> and I I'm going to try to answer your

[1:07:58] question. Um

[1:07:59] >> there's a way out of this. Go ahead.

[1:08:01] >> Yeah. I I think that, you know, when I think about a medical clinic and right now, you know, Family

[1:08:10] Healthcare obviously is nonprofit and

[1:08:12] it's it really

[1:08:16] I think makes a case for a medical

[1:08:18] clinic here, but uh I also I'm I'm just

[1:08:22] thinking in general uh a medical clinic

[1:08:27] in in our town, especially with the Zion

[1:08:29] National Park being so

[1:08:32] I think is a good public use

[1:08:36] uh for us whether it was a a retail or

[1:08:41] not. And you know in the research that

[1:08:43] Tom has done.

[1:08:45] I mean in in their administrative zones

[1:08:48] which sort of corresponds in a lot of

[1:08:51] ways to our public use zone. They allow

[1:08:55] a lot more than and they would allow a

[1:08:58] for-profit medical clinic to come in. So

[1:09:02] that's what I'm going to your answer.

[1:09:04] I'm not to answer your specific

[1:09:07] question. I think it's a good idea to

[1:09:09] have No, I don't think it would be a

[1:09:11] good idea to have two a nonprofit and a

[1:09:13] medical clinic right next to each other.

[1:09:16] I think that would be horrible. I think

[1:09:18] uh since it's a legislative decision, I

[1:09:20] think the town

[1:09:22] would not be obligated to let them do

[1:09:25] that to come in and do that. But for

[1:09:27] instance, if Family Healthcare in 10

[1:09:29] years decided uh that they wanted to

[1:09:33] they couldn't do it up here anymore and

[1:09:35] a for profits came in and said we'll run

[1:09:38] your medical clinic. I think we should

[1:09:40] let them do that. So that that that's

[1:09:44] I I think a medical clinic is a uh is a

[1:09:49] good public service to this community.

[1:09:53] >> Vision on this. What I was going to

[1:09:54] suggest is in the permitted use table

[1:09:58] talks about clinic parenthetically

[1:10:00] dental and medical uh permitted use in

[1:10:03] the public use zone. Is there any

[1:10:06] appetite to put a separate line for

[1:10:09] clinics dental and medical that are not

[1:10:11] that are for-profit organizations or is

[1:10:14] we okay?

[1:10:14] >> I don't think this thing really says

[1:10:16] anything about forprofit or nonprofit

[1:10:18] and and I didn't want to make that

[1:10:21] >> that distinction. I wanted to make it a

[1:10:24] medical clinic and right now we're we're

[1:10:27] fortunate to have a nonprofit

[1:10:29] who wants to run this medical clinic.

[1:10:31] But I think

[1:10:32] >> I don't think that we should make

[1:10:34] personally I don't think we should make

[1:10:36] that distinction.

[1:10:37] >> We don't want an empty building. We we

[1:10:40] want a medical clinic whether it's and

[1:10:42] we hope to get a long-term lease with

[1:10:44] Family Healthcare, but I think we want a

[1:10:47] medical clinic in Springdale. We want it

[1:10:49] to take care of our our residents

[1:10:52] and we need to allow a pharmacy for them

[1:10:56] to even make a go of it and otherwise

[1:10:58] we're driving downhill even though we go

[1:11:00] to the doctor here. So, I think the

[1:11:03] issue is do we want to allow medical

[1:11:05] clinics in the public use zone? we seem

[1:11:07] to be headed that way. And then also I

[1:11:10] think I think the first definition of

[1:11:13] pharmacy which is not allowing for a

[1:11:16] Walgreens or a retail pharmacy that's

[1:11:18] selling stuffed animals and stuff. But I

[1:11:21] think that's what we talked about at the

[1:11:23] last meeting and I'm I would be

[1:11:25] comfortable with the the very first

[1:11:26] definition if

[1:11:27] >> and I definitely

[1:11:28] >> others would I think that uh

[1:11:32] that because we are next to a national

[1:11:35] park if it if we were a small community

[1:11:38] a community that was isolated we didn't

[1:11:40] have national park there then maybe I

[1:11:43] think the second would be more

[1:11:45] appropriate but the fact that we're next

[1:11:48] to this national park had that any

[1:11:50] visitors coming in. Uh I I think it

[1:11:53] would be

[1:11:56] I don't think it would be a a good

[1:11:59] decision executive decision to limit it

[1:12:02] to the second definition. I think the

[1:12:05] first definition my opinion would be the

[1:12:08] appropriate one for for the pharmacy.

[1:12:10] And I think because we're unique, we're

[1:12:13] an extra national park with 5 millionish

[1:12:15] visitors,

[1:12:17] we're not likely to get a medical clinic

[1:12:19] anywhere except a public use zone. You

[1:12:22] know, for someone to be able to come in

[1:12:24] and afford to buy commercial property

[1:12:27] and build a building and and make a go

[1:12:29] of it here, I think is unlikely. So, it

[1:12:31] is a public service. It is benefiting

[1:12:33] our residents. And if it benefits

[1:12:35] visitors, too, that's fine. They're helping us to support a medical

[1:12:39] clinic and I I think we're I think we're

[1:12:43] in a good place with the pharmacy

[1:12:45] definition.

[1:12:46] >> I think and and Randy, I'm glad you

[1:12:47] asked the question this morning. Tom,

[1:12:50] your

[1:12:51] um information for me was very helpful

[1:12:54] because I got to tell you and I'm sure

[1:12:55] you all know I was very on the fence

[1:12:57] about this. Um, but the fact that there

[1:13:00] are other towns and we're not going to

[1:13:03] be a an outlier by doing something like

[1:13:06] this. It's not like we're going to be

[1:13:08] the black sheep of Utah by doing this.

[1:13:11] It sounds like other places do it. They

[1:13:12] don't call it a public use zone, but for

[1:13:14] all intents and purposes, that's what it

[1:13:15] is.

[1:13:17] >> So, thanks for asking that question. So,

[1:13:19] I guess the question I have on the first

[1:13:21] definition, since it doesn't state who

[1:13:24] it serves, is it implied it's for the

[1:13:27] general public?

[1:13:29] >> Yes.

[1:13:33] >> But it, you know, specifically operated

[1:13:35] in conjunction with the medical clinic.

[1:13:37] So, they couldn't they couldn't lease

[1:13:39] that space out to someone else. It' be

[1:13:41] it's got to be part of the clinic. So, the only other thing I I I would ask

[1:13:44] and I'm not trying to be a pain here,

[1:13:45] but do we need to define pharmacy?

[1:13:50] I mean, it's defined in the in the

[1:13:52] bottom one there a little bit, but we

[1:13:54] say a pharmacy in conjunction with, but

[1:13:57] what's a pharmacy? So, is it worth just

[1:13:59] putting something in that says this is

[1:14:00] what a pharmacy is?

[1:14:02] >> Yeah. And that that's a good point.

[1:14:04] That's what I tried to do, but if it if

[1:14:05] it can be clarified, that's we we we can

[1:14:08] make it more clear. So this bottom

[1:14:10] definition here is is pharmacy

[1:14:12] standalone.

[1:14:13] >> So would that be tied to the first

[1:14:15] paragraph?

[1:14:16] >> Uhuh. So So this says this is a business

[1:14:18] that provides these pharmaceutical ser

[1:14:19] services yada yada yada. And then this

[1:14:22] top one that the council is leaning

[1:14:24] towards for the public use zone says an

[1:14:28] establishment providing the same

[1:14:29] services as a standalone pharmacy. So

[1:14:32] you're tying the standalone pharmacy

[1:14:34] third paragraph with the first paragraph

[1:14:36] >> with the condition that it's operated in

[1:14:38] conjunction with and is under the

[1:14:39] administration of and housed in the same

[1:14:41] building as a dental or medical

[1:14:42] building.

[1:14:42] >> Um you think of everything.

[1:14:44] >> Yeah. So it is incorporated into that

[1:14:46] first one by saying

[1:14:47] >> middle part's gone. Everything crunches

[1:14:48] together. It's all good.

[1:14:50] >> Correct.

[1:14:51] >> So the the first definition will be

[1:14:54] public use and the and the last

[1:14:56] definition will be central and village

[1:14:58] commercial. Right.

[1:14:59] >> Correct. the first definition of what a

[1:15:02] pharmacy.

[1:15:03] >> Are we prepared to make a motion?

[1:15:17] » Do these definitions need to be part of

[1:15:19] the motion?

[1:15:20] >> Yes. Thank you. You you should clarify

[1:15:22] that you're using the first definition

[1:15:24] of uh pharmacy in conjunction and

[1:15:27] associated with a medical clinic, not

[1:15:29] the second proposed definition.

[1:15:35] » I can take a shot if

[1:15:38] >> that'd be great, Randy. We can add to it

[1:15:40] if we Yeah. Like we need to

[1:15:43] >> edit.

[1:15:45] Uh, I move we approve ordinance 2026

[1:15:50] amending chapter 10-7A

[1:15:53] of the town code by adding medical

[1:15:56] clinic and dentical clinic has permitted

[1:15:59] uses in the central commercial, village

[1:16:02] commercial and public use zones.

[1:16:04] adding definitions

[1:16:08] of the pharmacy.

[1:16:11] um

[1:16:14] to be a pharmacy operating in

[1:16:17] conjunction

[1:16:22] and associated with a dental dental or

[1:16:24] medical clinic and establishing

[1:16:28] an establishment that provides the same

[1:16:31] services at a st as a standalone

[1:16:34] pharmacy and which is operated in

[1:16:36] conjunction with and is under the

[1:16:39] administration of and is housed in the

[1:16:42] same building in the same building as

[1:16:44] the dental and medical clinic.

[1:16:48] >> So, Randy, did you reference amending

[1:16:50] chapter 10-2?

[1:16:53] >> Uh, I thought 10-7.

[1:16:56] >> Okay. In

[1:16:58] that we uh No, I did not. And that we

[1:17:02] amend section 10-2-2

[1:17:06] to that definition of a pharmacy.

[1:17:10] What else do we need, Tom?

[1:17:13] >> Please, Tom. [laughter]

[1:17:16] >> Um, that's great. Um

[1:17:19] it it for clarity and ju just so nothing

[1:17:22] gets just so you're not trying to to

[1:17:24] like put the verbatim definition of the verbatim of the definition in the

[1:17:30] motion. You might just want to say we

[1:17:31] adopt the ordinance as proposed with the

[1:17:36] first definition of pharmacy

[1:17:40] uh in conjunction with and associate

[1:17:42] with a dental or medical clinic in the

[1:17:43] staff report and not the second

[1:17:45] definition. That way everything else is clear and and it's there's not a

[1:17:51] question about well did they adopt this

[1:17:52] part or not that part and but you're

[1:17:54] just saying yes we adopted as proposed

[1:17:56] with the clarification that it's that

[1:17:57] first definition of this of the

[1:18:00] >> pharmacy in conjunction with the medical

[1:18:02] clinic that we're

[1:18:03] [cough and clears throat]

[1:18:04] >> Does that make sense?

[1:18:05] >> Yes it does. And uh instead of reading

[1:18:08] all that should have done that

[1:18:16] [laughter]

[1:18:22] » for a second or are you adding

[1:18:24] something?

[1:18:25] >> Well, can we use your clarification,

[1:18:27] Tom, or do we need to

[1:18:29] >> use Tom's clarification?

[1:18:30] >> Can we do that or do we need to make

[1:18:32] that motion?

[1:18:36] I don't want anything to say. [laughter]

[1:18:39] >> Um the the verdict the clerk is if that

[1:18:42] as I've um stated that if that is

[1:18:46] acceptable to you Randy as a as a

[1:18:48] substitute for your motion that you

[1:18:49] could say yes that's acceptable and then

[1:18:51] vote.

[1:18:53] >> That is acceptable to me.

[1:18:55] >> Okay. Do we have a second?

[1:18:56] >> Second.

[1:18:57] >> Got a motion by Randy and a second by

[1:18:59] Jack

[1:18:59] >> and I.

[1:19:00] >> Randy I

[1:19:01] >> Barbara I

[1:19:02] >> Jack. Okay. Next item on the agenda is

[1:19:06] ordinance 2026-02

[1:19:09] amending chapter 10-24-7

[1:19:12] of the town code regarding banner

[1:19:14] permits by adding additional permit

[1:19:16] requirements, general standards, and

[1:19:18] allowing banners in the public use zone.

[1:19:20] And this is Kendall Sagers.

[1:19:23] >> Yes, thank you. So, as you know, we

[1:19:26] brought this to you in your last town

[1:19:28] council meeting on February 11th, 2026.

[1:19:31] And just for that quick recap again, the

[1:19:34] permits, the banner permit standards are

[1:19:36] found in section 10-24-7

[1:19:38] of the town code. These proposed

[1:19:41] revisions enhance the clarity,

[1:19:42] efficiency, safety standards, and expand

[1:19:45] the range of allowed zones. The proposed

[1:19:47] changes changes will allow for banners

[1:19:50] to be placed in the village commercial,

[1:19:52] central commercial, and the public use

[1:19:53] zone. We propose changes and additions

[1:19:56] to the permit requirements, permit

[1:19:58] application review, and the general

[1:20:00] standards. During the planning

[1:20:02] commission meeting held on January 21st,

[1:20:04] 2026, the commission added the allowance

[1:20:07] on the number of banners allowed in the

[1:20:08] public use zone from four banners to 12

[1:20:11] banners. During the town council meeting

[1:20:13] on the February 11th meeting, the

[1:20:16] council proposed further adding the

[1:20:17] allowance of three banners at a time on

[1:20:20] a property within the public use zone.

[1:20:23] From the last meeting, we also cleaned

[1:20:25] up some of the language. We had the

[1:20:27] interchanging shall and must. So, we

[1:20:30] cleaned that up per your request. Um, so

[1:20:34] the town council should review the

[1:20:35] proposed ordinance revisions.

[1:20:41] » I think he captured everything we talked

[1:20:43] about. What do you think, Pat? Randy

[1:20:46] Jack.

[1:20:46] >> Yes, indeed.

[1:20:48] So, thank you for revising that per

[1:20:50] request and I'll look for a motion.

[1:21:00] Town Council has reviewed uh

[1:21:03] ordinance 2026-2

[1:21:05] revisions to title 104 town code allowed

[1:21:09] zones application process and standards

[1:21:13] and authorizes the mayor to sign.

[1:21:17] >> I'll second

[1:21:18] >> motion by Pat, second by Randy.

[1:21:21] >> Randy,

[1:21:22] >> Barbara.

[1:21:24] Okay. Next item is ordinance 2026-07

[1:21:28] changes to section 9-1-4 of the town

[1:21:31] code regarding the storage location of

[1:21:34] the physical copy of the state

[1:21:36] construction code. And I see that Nyall

[1:21:38] is not here. So Tom, do you want to

[1:21:40] handle that one?

[1:21:41] >> I will. And Nile left me with like

[1:21:43] probably the most weighty policy

[1:21:45] decision you're going to be making.

[1:21:46] [laughter]

[1:21:48] This ordinance has to do with where we

[1:21:49] keep the physical copy of the town of

[1:21:51] the of the um building code.

[1:21:54] >> Maybe we should schedule a tour.

[1:21:56] [laughter]

[1:21:58] >> Currently the

[1:21:58] >> How much room does this thing take?

[1:22:01] >> Is it like a

[1:22:03] >> Oh, massive.

[1:22:04] >> Massive. Um and currently it says it has

[1:22:07] to be in the clerk's office. We think

[1:22:09] it's actually we want the flexibility to

[1:22:11] put it in the community development

[1:22:12] office if we want. So, we're just

[1:22:14] changing the the the wording from office

[1:22:16] of the town clerk to the town hall.

[1:22:20] >> I'm just check

[1:22:23] the state come down and check on this.

[1:22:25] People could

[1:22:26] >> if it was specifically brought up in a

[1:22:28] building inspector training that Zach

[1:22:29] would

[1:22:30] >> No kidding.

[1:22:31] >> We We would never have changed it if if

[1:22:33] Zach hadn't gone to a training and this particular point came up and so we

[1:22:37] said we we should probably clarify that.

[1:22:40] I'm just wondering why the clerk is

[1:22:44] objecting to something like that. I

[1:22:45] mean, it would be good for her to put

[1:22:47] her feet on if she wanted to.

[1:22:50] >> Tom, is there an electronic link to this

[1:22:53] available?

[1:22:55] >> Um, so there is an electronic link. This

[1:22:59] um these are codes published by the

[1:23:01] International Code Council and you can

[1:23:04] get them, but in order to really get get

[1:23:07] them in depth, you have to pay a

[1:23:08] subscription to them.

[1:23:09] Um, and so there is a requirement that

[1:23:11] we have a physical copy in the town hall

[1:23:13] in case somebody wants to come and and

[1:23:15] look at them.

[1:23:19] » Really struggling with approving this

[1:23:21] one.

[1:23:22] >> Somebody have a motion.

[1:23:31] Town Council has reviewed and approves

[1:23:32] Ordinance 2026-07,

[1:23:36] an ordinance revising the town's

[1:23:38] regulations for storing the town's copy

[1:23:40] of the International Building Code

[1:23:43] by changing the specified storage

[1:23:45] location from the office of the town

[1:23:46] clerk to the town hall. Generally, it

[1:23:48] authorizes the mayor sign.

[1:23:51] >> I'll second motion by pass, second by

[1:23:54] Randy.

[1:23:54] >> I bar.

[1:23:58] Okay,

[1:24:00] next item is selection of ParkPlace

[1:24:02] Residential doing business as AR Arcilla

[1:24:06] Archilla Arcilla Arcia Ridge LLC as a

[1:24:10] town housing development partner for

[1:24:12] workforce housing units on parcel

[1:24:14] S-100-Z

[1:24:16] located at the end of Trapper Circle.

[1:24:19] The staff contact is Tom Danzy and we

[1:24:21] have we have Kyle if we have questions

[1:24:23] for him. Um

[1:24:25] >> thank you, mayor. Um so as the council

[1:24:28] is aware, we recently issued a request

[1:24:31] for proposals to um find a partner to

[1:24:35] help us with development of the

[1:24:36] workforce housing on the Trapper Circle

[1:24:40] property. This has been a project that

[1:24:41] the town's been contemplating for some

[1:24:43] time. Um and we've we've investigated

[1:24:45] several different um housing partners to

[1:24:48] help us with that project. We ultimately

[1:24:50] issued an RFP to select the the most um

[1:24:54] qualified

[1:24:55] uh partner and as a result of that RF

[1:24:58] RFP process, we've um decided to

[1:25:00] recommend Parkplace Residential.

[1:25:03] Parkplace is um a a firm that has

[1:25:06] extensive re extensive experience in

[1:25:09] property management um as well as

[1:25:11] property development. They come highly

[1:25:13] recommended. The housing committee met

[1:25:16] with them several times um to go over

[1:25:19] their proposal and to to ask them

[1:25:22] questions. We also vetted them with

[1:25:24] references um the and and spoke to to

[1:25:27] folks who have worked with them in the

[1:25:28] past. Um based on all of that, the

[1:25:31] housing committee is highly um confident

[1:25:34] in in Parkplace and so we are

[1:25:37] recommending that the town formally

[1:25:39] appoint ParkPlace to be our housing

[1:25:41] partner. they are going going to be

[1:25:42] doing business under a business entity

[1:25:44] AR arca ridge

[1:25:49] um and so although they submitted their

[1:25:52] proposal parkplace

[1:25:55] residential and that's their parent

[1:25:56] company the actual development entity

[1:25:58] that will be doing the trapper circle

[1:26:00] project will be Arcia Ridge so what we

[1:26:03] what we'd ask you to do tonight is to

[1:26:05] formally appoint um ParkPlace doing

[1:26:08] business as Arcia Ridge as the town's

[1:26:10] housing provider

[1:26:11] We have included for your reference an

[1:26:15] outline of a um agreement between the

[1:26:18] town and RCA Ridge that will outline

[1:26:20] just kind of the roles and

[1:26:22] responsibilities. You do not need to

[1:26:24] approve that. In fact, you should not

[1:26:25] approve that at this point because it is purely draft, but we would appreciate

[1:26:29] any feedback you have on the content. If

[1:26:31] there are things that you see in that you would um like to question or

[1:26:35] you'd like to give feedback or direction

[1:26:36] on, please do so. Um and then we will

[1:26:39] bring back a fully

[1:26:40] developed and legal agreement for the

[1:26:44] council to approve in the April meeting.

[1:26:46] So again, tonight's action is just

[1:26:47] formally appointing Parkplace and then

[1:26:50] informally giving any feedback on the

[1:26:52] draft outline of the agreement.

[1:26:55] >> I got to say, now mayor, you're on that

[1:26:56] committee. Yes. As as is Kyla and Tom

[1:26:59] also. Um you guys did an exceptional job

[1:27:03] on this, I think. I mean, that that

[1:27:05] proposal is really well done in my

[1:27:07] opinion.

[1:27:10] And if we have any questions for Kyle,

[1:27:14] >> does anyone want to ask Kyle question?

[1:27:16] >> I I have questions

[1:27:18] >> for Kyle

[1:27:19] >> or for Tom.

[1:27:20] >> Well, I think both.

[1:27:22] >> Kyle, would you mind stepping up to the

[1:27:24] microphone and state your name and we'll

[1:27:26] just if if whatever questions come your

[1:27:28] way, answer those.

[1:27:29] >> Okay. Kyle Arbazoo, Parkplace

[1:27:31] Residential.

[1:27:32] >> So, I guess the one thing that I was

[1:27:34] kind of picking up on is like each unit

[1:27:36] is 660 square feet.

[1:27:39] And it could house up to four people.

[1:27:44] >> It is um technically three because it

[1:27:48] would be two plus one is general HUD

[1:27:50] standard. So it' be two two people per

[1:27:52] bedroom plus one for living space. As we

[1:27:54] have looked at it there, we may amend

[1:27:57] the plan just a hair as we've kind of

[1:27:59] continued refining it more to make it

[1:28:01] better. So, we had that extra deep

[1:28:03] storage space and in discussion with one

[1:28:06] of our other developer clients, the

[1:28:08] suggestion was made, why not make that

[1:28:10] interior space because we're already

[1:28:11] building it anyways and so it's probably

[1:28:13] not a huge cost and so it would actually

[1:28:15] bump up the total finished. It would be

[1:28:18] able to be used as storage, but if

[1:28:19] somebody wanted to in theory, you know,

[1:28:22] house an extra person or have a

[1:28:23] roommate, uh, it would almost function

[1:28:26] as that with the exception of that room

[1:28:27] would not have a bedroom, but it would

[1:28:28] be a storage/den

[1:28:30] and it would increase the 660.

[1:28:33] >> Yeah, that seems really super tight to

[1:28:35] me. Um

[1:28:38] so if I was reading the chart correctly

[1:28:42] um this would be for uh for two people

[1:28:46] the and based on their income the range

[1:28:48] of rent would start out from 1612 to

[1:28:53] 2418

[1:28:55] uh based on AMI and that it would uh go

[1:28:58] up annually. So the way it was designed

[1:29:02] um and the suggestion for the agreement

[1:29:04] was more that the grid for the proposal

[1:29:05] purpose was to provide a grid of what is

[1:29:08] considered affordable to households of

[1:29:10] that size. It was not necessarily a

[1:29:13] formalization of where we would end up.

[1:29:15] Uh my recommendation to Tom in our last

[1:29:19] discussion was that we settle somewhere

[1:29:22] I think in like the 100% AMI rent range.

[1:29:24] I think it was like 1885

[1:29:27] that we would set it to a household

[1:29:29] limit. And so in the agreement it would

[1:29:33] be so in affordable housing for

[1:29:35] low-inccome housing tax credit purposes

[1:29:37] generally it scales based on how many

[1:29:38] people are in the household then you

[1:29:39] have an income limit. Our suggestion was

[1:29:41] not to have an income limit on the

[1:29:43] project because in theory what your goal

[1:29:45] in my my opinion what the goal is of

[1:29:47] middle- inome housing is that you want

[1:29:49] people to have the ability to level up.

[1:29:50] The great thing about tax credit in a

[1:29:52] lot of ways is if somebody moves into a

[1:29:54] tax credit project that's low income and

[1:29:56] they're earning potential increases over

[1:29:58] time. They're not kicked out of that.

[1:30:00] They're they get to stay in that

[1:30:01] position so they can save money and

[1:30:03] eventually have a down payment. And so

[1:30:05] we would have a rent restriction. So in

[1:30:08] addition to you guys getting the

[1:30:09] workforce housing, we would be

[1:30:11] restricting the rent um to a certain

[1:30:13] area med income range at a household

[1:30:16] size that we all agree on. Two people

[1:30:18] seems to be the best. And that's why we

[1:30:19] kind of were talking about amending that

[1:30:21] downstairs uh room space. So in theory,

[1:30:24] if two people work at Oscars and they

[1:30:25] wanted to split that rent, it becomes a

[1:30:27] little bit more affordable if they

[1:30:29] wanted to or if they had a child um that

[1:30:33] they have that extra space. Uh so it

[1:30:36] would restrict the rent, but it would

[1:30:37] not restrict the income. So in theory,

[1:30:38] they could make more than the AMI. They

[1:30:40] could be making 140% or it could service

[1:30:43] any of the medical providers in theory

[1:30:45] that might be in between housing

[1:30:46] options, but it would cap the rent.

[1:30:49] >> And Jack, I just want to point out, you

[1:30:51] might not know this, we didn't have any

[1:30:54] income requirements at all. Our RFP

[1:30:57] called for the only obligation we had

[1:30:59] was that they be workforced. And so this

[1:31:02] is something that Kyle has

[1:31:05] done to make them more affordable

[1:31:08] without us forcing that. So it's it's a

[1:31:12] bonus if you will that he's he's looking

[1:31:14] at the AMIs and we have Matt Frink on

[1:31:17] the housing committee and he helped us

[1:31:19] with the incomes at Z National Park so

[1:31:22] that Kyle feels comfortable that people

[1:31:25] can afford these units, but it was not

[1:31:27] our requirement. Yeah, I've got two

[1:31:30] long-term rentals that I've had the past

[1:31:32] 20 years here. And so I have kind of a

[1:31:34] feel and it and these are for people who

[1:31:36] work here in Springdale. And then also

[1:31:39] just kind of watching

[1:31:41] um what is available and what rents are

[1:31:44] and whether or not they rent. So it

[1:31:46] strikes me as a little on the high side,

[1:31:48] but I guess you know you'll find out.

[1:31:50] Um, I had a question on the 50-year

[1:31:53] lease and and part of this is also for

[1:31:56] the town is how was that arrived at? How

[1:31:59] was a 50-year lease? Is that common

[1:32:01] place or

[1:32:02] >> that was a determination? Uh, that was

[1:32:04] what was put out in the request for

[1:32:05] proposal that would be a 50-year term.

[1:32:07] It is not a lease. It is a fee

[1:32:09] ownership. So, it is the land is being

[1:32:11] granted uh in exchange for the

[1:32:13] restrictions.

[1:32:15] And I would say it is common on other

[1:32:17] affordable housing deals that we've

[1:32:18] worked on, cities have contributed the

[1:32:20] land in addition to um additional

[1:32:25] financing methods uh which may include

[1:32:27] home funds, may include tax increment

[1:32:29] financing where they're not paying

[1:32:30] property taxes for a substantial period

[1:32:32] of time. And so uh it's a great benefit

[1:32:36] for the project, but it's not uncommon

[1:32:38] uh in Utah or Nevada. And and maybe this

[1:32:41] I'll get to kind of where I'm going with

[1:32:43] that. And I've just got a couple more

[1:32:46] questions

[1:32:48] and maybe I'm not fully understanding

[1:32:49] this. Let's And so it sounds like that

[1:32:52] you have the option at some point if you

[1:32:54] decide this doesn't work for you, you

[1:32:56] can transfer this ownership to someone

[1:32:59] else.

[1:33:00] >> In in theory, the project is designed

[1:33:02] that it's yes, you could transfer the

[1:33:05] ownership to somebody else. Um it it

[1:33:08] really wasn't the goal or the intention.

[1:33:10] It's really more of a survival

[1:33:11] mechanism. I mean my hope is to live for

[1:33:13] a very very long time. About 50 years is

[1:33:15] a long time. Um we approached the

[1:33:19] development and I know that you probably

[1:33:20] weren't on the committee. The firm

[1:33:23] Parkplace Residential is only owned by

[1:33:24] two people. It's myself and my mother.

[1:33:26] Uh but we are a relatively large firm.

[1:33:28] We cover four different states. And so

[1:33:29] the intention is that this is meant to

[1:33:31] be a family asset. It's not meant to go

[1:33:33] anywhere. We're local to southern Utah.

[1:33:35] Uh I was born and raised in St. George.

[1:33:37] And so it was a unique opportunity for

[1:33:39] us, we felt, to do a fund project that

[1:33:41] would be unique. Uh just going back to

[1:33:43] the rental rates and the size. I mean, I

[1:33:45] think the one thing that's different is

[1:33:46] we did a project in Hurricane recently.

[1:33:49] Um and I would say it's not the

[1:33:52] prettiest thing. It's a more of a box,

[1:33:54] but we had a really good idea of what

[1:33:55] costs were and we knew what our land

[1:33:57] cost was and we knew all these different

[1:33:58] things. And so as we were approaching

[1:34:00] it, um, we tried to design units that we

[1:34:04] felt would have the adequate space,

[1:34:08] fit the needs that were kind of there

[1:34:10] of, hey, we need to have outdoor space.

[1:34:12] The parcel is also a very challenging

[1:34:14] parcel to attack because it's a

[1:34:15] triangle, the way that the setbacks

[1:34:17] were, utilizing the ridge, meeting the

[1:34:20] parking requirements, and so I think

[1:34:23] that we were able to hit all the things

[1:34:25] that were in the RFP. Um, and we we

[1:34:29] believe that the pricing based on where

[1:34:30] people's area median income is and then

[1:34:33] not having to travel. So, we're renting

[1:34:35] onebedrooms that are 598 square feet in

[1:34:37] Hurricane. They just opened 30 days ago

[1:34:40] and they're almost half gone. Um, and

[1:34:43] those are 1325

[1:34:46] >> with no rush.

[1:34:47] >> So, I guess the let's just say let's

[1:34:50] just say in five years you decide this

[1:34:51] doesn't work for you and you have the

[1:34:54] option of transferring this um at fair

[1:34:57] market value. And if I look at this

[1:35:01] correctly, you've got an investment of

[1:35:03] building it for about 1.6 million and

[1:35:07] the town is donating the land. Um, and

[1:35:10] this is part of a question for Tom. Um,

[1:35:14] does the fair market value include the the land?

[1:35:19] >> If you scroll up to the proforma,

[1:35:22] there's actually a valuation metric

[1:35:24] here. Um, if you scroll back down a

[1:35:27] little bit, Tom, the cap rate, um, and

[1:35:29] this is based on the income stream the

[1:35:32] property provides, right? And so a six

[1:35:35] and a quarter cap rate because it is an

[1:35:37] income restricted project, right? If you

[1:35:38] were to go to market, like we're going

[1:35:40] to go look at stuff in Cedar and we're

[1:35:42] paying like $80,000 a unit,

[1:35:43] substantially cheaper um because it's

[1:35:46] income restricted and the income stream

[1:35:47] is actually not that much worse than

[1:35:49] what this income stream is. And so the

[1:35:52] property would be valued and that's why

[1:35:53] we put the income restriction, the rent

[1:35:55] restrictions on it was in theory,

[1:35:58] if you look at the 2.28 million, the

[1:36:00] property values probably between three

[1:36:02] and $400,000. That said, there is clay

[1:36:05] most likely on the property. We did get

[1:36:07] the neighboring soils reports and at

[1:36:10] preliminary we're looking at between

[1:36:12] 300,000 or more to put in peers or do

[1:36:15] the uh 8 to 10 ft of over excavation.

[1:36:19] And so while the contribution of the

[1:36:22] land is super important, without it it

[1:36:23] would not be economically viable to

[1:36:25] build it. So if you take the land over

[1:36:28] excavation, everything like that and

[1:36:30] we're not charging any development fees

[1:36:32] in theory at a six and a quarter cap at

[1:36:34] 2.2 2 million uh on an exit, we would

[1:36:37] essentially get paid for building the

[1:36:39] project, but there wouldn't be a

[1:36:40] significant spread beyond that. Uh and

[1:36:43] that would assume that somebody wants to

[1:36:45] buy it and operate it because the way

[1:36:47] that the agreement is intended to be

[1:36:48] written, the person that has to buy it

[1:36:50] does have to commit to operating it. And

[1:36:51] we do feel that the uh in working with

[1:36:54] Tom that it's outlined that there will

[1:36:57] be limited amount of firms that can

[1:36:59] provide the level of operation that it

[1:37:01] would need. So, this kind of takes me

[1:37:03] back to where I'm a little uncomfortable

[1:37:04] with a 50-year lease. And, you know, my

[1:37:07] interest is looking at uh protecting the

[1:37:10] town. And so, you let's just say you

[1:37:14] default in five years. And we are tied

[1:37:18] to a 50-year lease. And so, my question

[1:37:21] to Tom is, what language do we have that

[1:37:24] protects the town if there's a default?

[1:37:28] >> It's not a lease. It's right. It's

[1:37:32] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's not at least the town is transferring ownership of

[1:37:35] the property.

[1:37:36] >> Well, even at that, you know, we're gonna we're so we're going to have

[1:37:42] this property sitting there that you

[1:37:45] you're not able to, let's just say you

[1:37:47] can't sell it because you can't find

[1:37:50] another, you know, somebody else to run

[1:37:52] this operation.

[1:37:54] So, I don't know. I mean, are we really

[1:37:56] comfortable? You know, I was like, what

[1:37:58] about a probationary period to make sure

[1:38:01] that this is truly a good fit for

[1:38:03] Springdale? Unless the housing committee

[1:38:05] has already gone there and, you know,

[1:38:07] you're all confident that this is, you

[1:38:11] know, a good fit for Springdale and and

[1:38:13] that we are protected at all levels.

[1:38:16] >> We've we've evaluated this completely

[1:38:20] and um yeah, I and and if it's sold, with all the restrictions. So

[1:38:27] >> I did see that.

[1:38:28] >> Yeah, we

[1:38:29] >> So we have we have a workforce housing

[1:38:33] project for 50 years

[1:38:36] and and 50 years was in our RFP. That

[1:38:39] wasn't Kyle's decision. So he's not it's

[1:38:42] not that he was reluctant to go longer.

[1:38:43] It's that that what that's what we asked

[1:38:45] for. And so we can't now ask for

[1:38:47] something else when we put an RFP out

[1:38:49] asking for 50. The the one thing I would

[1:38:51] throw out just I mean to your point

[1:38:53] about being protected I think um if we

[1:38:55] just look at the pure cost what you're

[1:38:57] really contributing is $8,000 a year to

[1:39:00] have this if you look at it over a

[1:39:01] 50-year term if you assume that the

[1:39:04] property is worth $400,000 which without

[1:39:07] the land being contributed it would just

[1:39:09] sit as land and so the property will

[1:39:11] have more property taxes it will provide

[1:39:12] a public benefit in my personal opinion

[1:39:15] it would sell I mean if if worse came to

[1:39:17] worse the town could assume ownership of

[1:39:19] the property at whatever market value is

[1:39:21] at the time and you would have the units

[1:39:23] that are built and you wouldn't have

[1:39:24] technically paid a developer fee in the

[1:39:26] worst of worst case scenarios. Um best

[1:39:29] case scenarios you're going to have

[1:39:30] workforce housing with income

[1:39:32] restrictions with a deed restriction and

[1:39:35] you know it's written where we have to

[1:39:37] comply once a year with the verification

[1:39:39] methods and I would say we're reputable.

[1:39:43] I mean I I think we're going to be here

[1:39:44] for a very long time but it is an

[1:39:47] economics thing. them at the end of the

[1:39:48] day. And that was kind of the thing that

[1:39:49] we told the housing committee and we we

[1:39:51] showed them our white box that we built

[1:39:52] in Hurricane and like you can go look at

[1:39:53] that. It's it's really a matter of it's

[1:39:56] comes down to what the town wants. I'm

[1:39:58] happy to build whatever you want. I can

[1:39:59] build you the most basic box and it will

[1:40:01] not look super pretty and we can lower

[1:40:03] the requirements and you know we can

[1:40:05] look at different options but for kind

[1:40:07] of what was put out in the RFP which is

[1:40:09] we want it to look you know equivalent

[1:40:12] to what's in the neighborhood which in

[1:40:13] the 10 years construction costs are

[1:40:15] significantly higher than they were 10

[1:40:17] years ago. It's just a reality of where

[1:40:18] it is. Interest rates are significantly

[1:40:20] higher and at the same time we are the

[1:40:22] ones that are going to risk the $1.6 $6

[1:40:24] million in capital to build the project.

[1:40:26] And so there has to be an adequate

[1:40:28] return because I can get four and a

[1:40:30] half% 4% in a money market almost. And

[1:40:33] so there has to be enough spread that

[1:40:35] there's enough economic benefit in doing

[1:40:38] it. We don't have to get rich off the

[1:40:39] project by any means, but it just has to

[1:40:41] have enough economic room to make it

[1:40:43] viable.

[1:40:44] >> These were just questions that came to

[1:40:46] mind as I read through this.

[1:40:47] >> And can can I just add a couple things,

[1:40:50] Jack? I I think you actually make raised

[1:40:51] some really good points. Um, and one is

[1:40:54] on your your comment about, you know,

[1:40:56] can we can we do like a a probationary

[1:40:58] period? We we kind of have a little bit

[1:41:01] of that. Um, in in the draft outline, we

[1:41:04] have a revisionary clause that's

[1:41:05] proposed to go into the deed that says,

[1:41:07] hey, if if ParkPlace fails to perform,

[1:41:10] um, then there's a three-year period

[1:41:12] that the property reverts back to the

[1:41:14] town. Um the other thing is in the Red

[1:41:17] Hawk agreement that we've done with

[1:41:18] Mountain Country Home Solutions, there's

[1:41:20] some language about what happens if

[1:41:22] Mountain Country defaults and what

[1:41:23] happens to the properties. Um and we can look at um incorporating some of

[1:41:28] that language into this agreement as

[1:41:30] well to protect the town in that regard

[1:41:32] as well.

[1:41:33] >> So you actually just reminded me of

[1:41:35] something that I meant to um mention was

[1:41:37] and this kind of goes back to a

[1:41:40] discussion we had earlier on time frames

[1:41:42] of of building

[1:41:45] new construction in Springdale. And I

[1:41:48] read the that three-year time frame and

[1:41:50] that it was based on I can't remember

[1:41:52] the exact wording um like substantial

[1:41:56] progress.

[1:41:58] And I I wonder if we want to actually

[1:42:01] define what we mean by substantial

[1:42:04] progress. And I I go back to what Kyla

[1:42:07] had suggested when we had this

[1:42:10] conversation before and it was based on

[1:42:13] like an 80%

[1:42:15] building inspection or I can't remember

[1:42:17] what it was exactly.

[1:42:20] >> Probably the four-way building

[1:42:21] inspection is what she was talking

[1:42:22] about.

[1:42:23] >> Yeah. But I guess I would rather it not

[1:42:25] be vague on, you know, because I think

[1:42:27] what is considered substantial will be

[1:42:30] different.

[1:42:32] can help.

[1:42:33] >> That's a great point and we can we we

[1:42:34] can we can clarify that when we when we

[1:42:36] do the actual language of the agreement.

[1:42:38] That's a really good point.

[1:42:39] >> We'll get the contract to approve

[1:42:41] hopefully in April and we can make sure

[1:42:43] it has all of those things that are that

[1:42:45] you're comfortable with.

[1:42:48] Anything else?

[1:42:51] >> Thanks, Kyle.

[1:42:56] We do need a motion if we're ready to

[1:42:58] approve. Um, we do need a motion

[1:43:00] selecting ParkPlace Residential.

[1:43:07] » I can make a motion, but my

[1:43:09] understanding from the training that Tom

[1:43:11] gave us was that I I can't introduce

[1:43:13] stuff that we didn't talk about. Is that

[1:43:14] right?

[1:43:16] Can I introduce stuff that's in the

[1:43:17] proposal, for instance, in the motion?

[1:43:21] >> So, so the motion is to um

[1:43:24] >> Yeah, it's just to approve

[1:43:25] >> is to select

[1:43:26] >> Park Place. So, I don't have to make

[1:43:28] given him. We've given Tom

[1:43:30] >> Oh, no. You should You should still make

[1:43:31] findings. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:43:32] >> So, my that's my question. Can I make

[1:43:34] findings that were not part of the

[1:43:35] discussion here

[1:43:36] >> if it's part of the packet material or

[1:43:37] part of the RFP? Sure. Because that's

[1:43:38] all part of the that's all part of the

[1:43:40] agenda item.

[1:43:45] » Town council has reviewed the ParkPlace

[1:43:46] Residential doing business as

[1:43:49] RCA Ridge LLC proposal and draft

[1:43:52] development agreement. It makes the

[1:43:54] following findings. Uh, Parkplace

[1:43:56] Residential is a stable, locally

[1:43:57] headquartered firm with extensive

[1:43:59] experience managing highquality multif

[1:44:01] family workforce housing communities

[1:44:02] across the Inter Mountain region,

[1:44:05] overseeing approximately 3,000 family

[1:44:07] units. Uh, the firm's management plan

[1:44:09] includes a full service property

[1:44:11] management with deed restricted

[1:44:13] covenants tied to Washington County AMI

[1:44:15] benchmarks.

[1:44:16] The proposed partnership town land

[1:44:19] contribution in exchange for 50-year AMI

[1:44:22] based deed restriction and no re and no

[1:44:25] revenue sharing is consistent with the

[1:44:28] town's workforce housing goals and

[1:44:30] general plan policies. Parkplace

[1:44:32] Residential demonstrates expertise in

[1:44:34] affordable and workforce housing finance

[1:44:36] using market driven structures

[1:44:39] their language.

[1:44:41] Uh and the concept uh level site plan

[1:44:44] includes 10 one-bedroom town home units

[1:44:46] with a garage parking for nine

[1:44:48] uh which complements Springdale's

[1:44:50] central commercial context

[1:44:52] and the proposed 18 to 20 more 18 to 24

[1:44:56] month schedule aligns with the town's

[1:44:58] goal to deliver new workforce housing

[1:45:00] units in the near term. Therefore, the

[1:45:02] town council approves the selection of

[1:45:04] Parkplace Residential as a trapper

[1:45:06] circle workforce housing partner and

[1:45:08] directs the staff to negotiate and

[1:45:10] return a development agreement

[1:45:11] consistent with the terms of the

[1:45:13] Parkplace residential proposal.

[1:45:17] >> I think

[1:45:20] second

[1:45:22] motion by Pat, second by Randy

[1:45:25] >> Barb. Okay.

[1:45:27] >> Okay. Next item is resolution 2026-03

[1:45:32] adopting a historical displays policy

[1:45:35] for the town of Springdale. And this is

[1:45:36] Kindle.

[1:45:38] >> Yes.

[1:45:41] » Um so the town of Springdale's general

[1:45:43] plan natural and cultural resources

[1:45:46] promotes actively seeking and preserving

[1:45:49] historic resources throughout the

[1:45:50] community. Sub goal D is to preserve and

[1:45:53] promote community appreciation for the

[1:45:55] town's heritage and cultural history.

[1:45:58] The town occasionally receives requests

[1:46:00] from residents and non-residents wanting

[1:46:02] to donate items of historical value. Um

[1:46:05] and staff recommends adopting a policy

[1:46:07] that would manage such donations.

[1:46:12] Sorry about that.

[1:46:14] Adopting the historical displays policy

[1:46:15] will provide framework that ensures the

[1:46:17] preservation and integrity of the town's

[1:46:19] collection of historical items, preserve

[1:46:22] cultural heritage, and ensure

[1:46:23] responsible practices with the

[1:46:25] historical items. Some of the key points

[1:46:28] of the policy include a mission, access,

[1:46:31] authority and responsibilities,

[1:46:33] acquisitions, DS and disposal,

[1:46:36] collections, care and documentation. One

[1:46:39] thing I want to point out is that the

[1:46:40] mission says to preserve, protect, and

[1:46:43] promote the rich historical and cultural

[1:46:45] heritage of Springdale, ensuring its

[1:46:47] unique story and character are

[1:46:49] celebrated and accessible for present

[1:46:51] and future generations in alignment with

[1:46:53] the town's vision to remain a

[1:46:55] distinctive and cherished community. The

[1:46:58] historical displays policy was taken to

[1:47:00] the Historic Preservation Commission on

[1:47:02] November 13th of 2025. They made the

[1:47:05] motion to recommend that the town

[1:47:07] council adopt the proposed historical

[1:47:09] display policy and gift of deed. The

[1:47:12] proposed historical displays policy went

[1:47:14] through the town's attorney and was

[1:47:16] updated with their advice since that HBC

[1:47:18] meeting. One of those changes is

[1:47:20] changing the gift of deed to a gift

[1:47:22] affidavit which is found in appendix B.

[1:47:24] So, the town council should review the

[1:47:26] proposed historical displays policy. If

[1:47:28] the council supports the historical

[1:47:30] displays policy, the council should make

[1:47:32] a motion to approve resolution 2026-03.

[1:47:37] >> Kindle, it uh talked about a committee

[1:47:40] that

[1:47:43] I guess it specifically said someone in

[1:47:46] a in a staff role.

[1:47:49] >> It does. There's

[1:47:50] >> Okay. Yeah. So,

[1:47:53] staff, commissioner, and a council

[1:47:55] member. So once this is approved, we

[1:47:57] would appoint a committee.

[1:48:00] >> Sorry,

[1:48:00] >> the committee is not appointed yet. That

[1:48:02] would happen after this is approved.

[1:48:04] >> Correct.

[1:48:05] >> Okay.

[1:48:07] >> Is the town in the position of accepting

[1:48:10] donations. And where would they be

[1:48:11] stored?

[1:48:13] >> Yes, we are. Um at the moment we have a

[1:48:16] display case here in the community

[1:48:18] center which is our intention of having

[1:48:20] those historical displays for storage.

[1:48:24] um that can be in a few different

[1:48:27] places. It can be in town hall. It could

[1:48:29] be here at the community center. It

[1:48:30] could even be one of the one of the

[1:48:32] storage units

[1:48:34] of records. We got to put a pedal in.

[1:48:37] [laughter]

[1:48:37] >> Well, because I think you'll find that,

[1:48:39] you know, people will want to donate

[1:48:41] furniture, old piece, old chairs and

[1:48:43] whatnot. So, things that could take up

[1:48:45] space.

[1:48:46] >> We do have an old chair and it is

[1:48:48] sitting in Nile's office. That's its

[1:48:50] home right now. It looks very nice in

[1:48:52] there, though.

[1:48:54] But the committee will determine whether

[1:48:56] we are able to take the things whether

[1:48:58] we have a place to put them. And and the

[1:49:00] items you're probably thinking of are

[1:49:01] gone now. They've been donated

[1:49:03] elsewhere. So for example, Jean Krauss

[1:49:06] who's on the commission said somebody

[1:49:08] found a bunch of old photographs.

[1:49:11] Um I can tell you about that later if

[1:49:13] she hasn't, but those are more the kinds

[1:49:15] of things that we expect to get. There

[1:49:17] may be some furniture.

[1:49:20] Well, and I think this is good to have

[1:49:22] because it puts the town also in the

[1:49:24] position of uh rejecting donations. You

[1:49:29] know, if it doesn't fit the scope,

[1:49:32] that's it's good to have that.

[1:49:43] Someone want to make a motion

[1:49:50] I move to uh adopt resolution number

[1:49:54] 2026-03,

[1:49:57] a resolution adopting

[1:49:59] uh a historical displays policy for the

[1:50:02] town of Springdale.

[1:50:06] » I'll second.

[1:50:08] >> Motion by Jack and a second by Randy.

[1:50:10] >> Randy,

[1:50:11] >> Barbara. Jack I

[1:50:14] >> next item is a request to sell and serve

[1:50:16] alcohol in the town field as required by

[1:50:18] town code section 7-6-13e

[1:50:22] located at 126 Lion Boulevard for the

[1:50:25] Zion Chalk and Earth Festival. The

[1:50:28] applicant is the town of Springdale and

[1:50:30] the staff contact is Robin Romero.

[1:51:00] Garen, have you checked the criminal

[1:51:03] background of this applicant to make

[1:51:05] sure there's no

[1:51:09] Okay.

[1:51:11] >> And it's beer and wine, right?

[1:51:13] >> Correct.

[1:51:13] >> Beer and wine only. Okay.

[1:51:16] Motion.

[1:51:23] » Okay.

[1:51:24] So, this is this is a motion to approve

[1:51:28] the request to sell and serve alcohol in

[1:51:30] the town field for the Zion Chocolate

[1:51:32] Nerf Fest. Easy motion.

[1:51:36] Okay. Town and approves the request to

[1:51:39] sell and serve alcohol at the Springdale

[1:51:41] Town Field located at 126 Lion Boulevard

[1:51:44] for the Zion Chalk and Earth Festival to

[1:51:47] be held Saturday, April 18th through

[1:51:49] Sunday, April 19th with the following

[1:51:51] conditions. Before the event the

[1:51:53] applicant will comply with section

[1:51:55] 7-6-13e

[1:51:57] of the Springdale town code to include

[1:51:59] signing an indemnity agreement with the

[1:52:01] town of Springdale, obtaining a large

[1:52:03] outdoor event permit, obtaining all

[1:52:06] required alcohol permits through the

[1:52:07] Utah Department of Alcohol and Beverage

[1:52:09] Services and the town of Springdale and

[1:52:12] approved security plan

[1:52:16] and authorizes the mayor to sign

[1:52:20] that. Is that it? Does that work?

[1:52:22] >> The mayor will sign the next piece. This

[1:52:25] you guys are just giving your approval

[1:52:27] for for the event

[1:52:29] >> without call.

[1:52:30] >> Motion by Pat, second by Jack

[1:52:33] >> Barb.

[1:52:35] >> Okay. The next item is related. It's a

[1:52:37] single event local consent request for

[1:52:39] Zion Canyon Brew Pub for the Zion Chalk

[1:52:42] and Earth Festival located on the town

[1:52:44] field at 126 Lion Boulevard in

[1:52:46] Springdale. And again, the staff contact

[1:52:48] is Robin

[1:53:06] and this one would require my signature

[1:53:10] to approve the local authority consent

[1:53:12] for a single event permit for Zion

[1:53:15] Canyon Brew Pub LLC

[1:53:18] for the Zion Rockfest and direct the

[1:53:21] mayor to sign.

[1:53:24] >> Second it.

[1:53:25] >> Motion by Jack and second by Pat.

[1:53:28] >> I barre.

[1:53:32] >> Next item is local consent request for a

[1:53:34] restaurant full service alcohol license

[1:53:37] for Wildcat Willies doing business as

[1:53:39] Porter's restaurant located at 897 Zion

[1:53:42] Park Boulevard in Springdale, Utah

[1:53:44] 84767.

[1:53:46] The applicant is Jacob Cochran and this

[1:53:49] is Robin's item.

[1:54:15] Jacob has been the chef since he opened

[1:54:18] and he's really he and his wife have

[1:54:19] really been running the place according

[1:54:20] to the stand. So it's not really new

[1:54:24] anything new except the actual

[1:54:25] ownership.

[1:54:26] >> So it still

[1:54:28] >> Yes, it does.

[1:54:30] I move to approve the local authority

[1:54:32] consent for a retail alcohol license.

[1:54:36] This is a restaurant full service

[1:54:38] license for Porter's restaurant and

[1:54:41] direct the mayor to sign.

[1:54:46] » Motion by Jack, second by Randy

[1:54:48] >> Pat. I

[1:54:51] » Okay. And the next item is discussion

[1:54:54] and possible approval of employment

[1:54:56] agreement for town manager Thomas Denzy.

[1:54:58] And the staff contact is Don Breck.

[1:55:06] » I wish I could do this from back there.

[1:55:09] >> I try to distance myself from this until

[1:55:12] I just shimmy right around this thing.

[1:55:13] >> You could you could carry that back

[1:55:15] there if you wanted to.

[1:55:16] >> No, no. That's why I sit away from

[1:55:18] there. Um, this is the town manager

[1:55:21] agreement that I asked the town attorney

[1:55:23] to uh go ahead and complete for us. It's

[1:55:26] It started out almost identical to the

[1:55:29] one that you approved for Rick a couple

[1:55:31] of years ago and we made some slight

[1:55:34] changes and um you guys had a chance to

[1:55:38] look at it. I sent it to Tom and he had

[1:55:40] a couple of really um mostly grammatical

[1:55:44] things to change and um and then I

[1:55:48] changed a couple of grammatical things

[1:55:49] too because you know who can't help but

[1:55:54] correct the attorney's work. Come on.

[1:55:57] >> [laughter]

[1:55:58] >> And so what you have before you is the

[1:56:02] copy that you should have now

[1:56:05] >> because evidently I don't do I have to

[1:56:08] do things twice.

[1:56:09] >> I click on it. It said it was deleted.

[1:56:11] >> Yeah. Mine just said that too.

[1:56:13] >> We got a

[1:56:14] >> we got it separately

[1:56:16] >> and it's in a minute.

[1:56:17] >> Got a new link because someone sent you

[1:56:20] an old draft

[1:56:23] >> and they should be fired and I should

[1:56:25] have their job.

[1:56:26] >> [laughter]

[1:56:27] >> Well, I I do appreciate the grammatical

[1:56:29] corrections because I had a bunch of

[1:56:31] them on the first agreement

[1:56:34] >> an English professor along with being a

[1:56:37] >> read police reports for 33 years. So,

[1:56:39] I'm pretty good at making sure nobody

[1:56:41] gets in trouble with

[1:56:42] >> dotting the eyes and crossing the tees.

[1:56:44] Do you have any comments on this, Pat?

[1:56:46] Are you okay with it?

[1:56:47] >> Well, I had one and let me get down to

[1:56:50] it. It seemed like I had to read through

[1:56:53] it several times.

[1:56:54] it just seemed like a real word salad.

[1:56:57] Um, and

[1:56:58] >> there are a couple of those in these

[1:56:59] agreements.

[1:57:01] >> So, it's under uh eight termination. And

[1:57:04] then if you go down to D, um, I just had

[1:57:09] to re I had to read that several times.

[1:57:12] >> So, this is a little cleaner. This is

[1:57:14] one of those paragraphs that I cleaned

[1:57:16] up because you probably read through the

[1:57:18] first time,

[1:57:19] >> remember? And I said I said this doesn't

[1:57:21] make sense to me, too. So it's a lot

[1:57:23] cleaner now.

[1:57:24] >> Yeah.

[1:57:25] >> And so yeah it's it it is much cleaner.

[1:57:29] So my question is also there. Um uh

[1:57:33] under D

[1:57:35] we use the word you use the word

[1:57:37] termination

[1:57:39] and yet if I understand this correctly

[1:57:42] for some reason we find some cause to

[1:57:45] ask town manager to resign and he does

[1:57:49] it and then we accept the resignation

[1:57:54] but it's classified as a termination. We

[1:57:57] don't classify it as an involuntary

[1:57:59] separation.

[1:58:01] >> You know, we use the word termination um

[1:58:04] in HR really loosely. Um we use it more

[1:58:07] as as you would use the word separation.

[1:58:10] So it's a voluntary termination or

[1:58:12] involuntary termination. So that's I

[1:58:15] think that's how that word is being used

[1:58:17] here. So if you say if you give him the

[1:58:20] opportunity to resign and he does then

[1:58:24] that would be a voluntary termination

[1:58:28] even though it's a resignation. So it's

[1:58:30] a voluntary termination.

[1:58:32] >> So um and again I'm going down the weeds

[1:58:35] here. So a prospective employer asks us

[1:58:40] why did the town manager leave? Do we

[1:58:42] say

[1:58:44] it was determination? Do we say it was a

[1:58:46] voluntary resignation? Do we say it was

[1:58:48] a

[1:58:49] >> if it was voluntary? We have photographs

[1:58:52] which is why you got to get out really

[1:58:54] these days. Um we can't say much of

[1:58:56] anything. We can say these are the dates

[1:58:58] that they worked here

[1:59:01] >> which is really unfortunate but that's a

[1:59:04] whole different conversation.

[1:59:06] >> So there's no no problem using the word

[1:59:07] termination again in that section.

[1:59:10] >> Even though you mean resignation yes

[1:59:11] there's no problem using the word

[1:59:13] termination. Then in section nine, not

[1:59:15] entitled to severance if terminated for

[1:59:17] cause or if the employee voluntarily

[1:59:20] resigns and the voluntary resign is

[1:59:24] actually

[1:59:26] >> classified as a termination.

[1:59:27] >> Yes.

[1:59:28] >> But if you if you just walk in one day

[1:59:30] and say, you know, you got a haircut,

[1:59:33] it's a mullet. I've never liked mullets.

[1:59:35] You're out of here. Then you'd have to

[1:59:38] pay severance

[1:59:40] and probably have to get him a haircut.

[1:59:45] So,

[1:59:47] >> got it.

[1:59:49] >> Haircut example sold it for me.

[1:59:51] >> Hey, I've kept that one in my back

[1:59:54] pocket for a long time. [laughter]

[1:59:56] >> You guys have any other questions?

[1:59:57] >> Just really quick on that same paragraph

[1:59:59] nine, the very end. Um, notwithstanding

[2:00:04] any provision in uh to the contrary,

[2:00:07] should that be a separate paragraph?

[2:00:12] Or is this Jack?

[2:00:13] >> Well, because we're talking about them

[2:00:16] being terminated without cause and very

[2:00:20] the very last one is it's terminated for

[2:00:23] cause.

[2:00:24] >> Yeah, that that does that is I mean it

[2:00:26] could be separated by it.

[2:00:28] >> I think it's okay where it is, but I see your point.

[2:00:38] » Anything else?

[2:00:40] So, do we have a motion?

[2:00:44] >> Town council's reviewed and approves the

[2:00:46] town manager employment agreement

[2:00:48] between the town of Springdale and Oh, I

[2:00:50] did have one more question. I'm sorry.

[2:00:52] Can I can I back up my ear? Is that

[2:00:54] okay?

[2:00:55] >> Yeah, start over.

[2:00:57] >> Not on not on the one more question to

[2:00:59] Dawn. You can stay there. the in in in

[2:01:02] the agreement, we use the town address

[2:01:05] for the town, but we also used Tom's

[2:01:08] address. If there's a dispute and he's

[2:01:11] not allowed back in the building, how

[2:01:12] does he get his mail?

[2:01:13] >> You know, I knew you were going to ask

[2:01:14] that. Just answered it to

[2:01:16] >> I wouldn't even have brought it up if

[2:01:17] you didn't bring up the haircut thing.

[2:01:19] >> I know. I know. I was You're trying to

[2:01:21] get back at me. So, we used Tom's

[2:01:24] address because the because Utah has

[2:01:27] really passed some strict data privacy

[2:01:29] laws and if we didn't use the town's

[2:01:33] address for Tom, we would have to redact

[2:01:36] his address every time this agreement

[2:01:40] was

[2:01:41] >> was grandma was we would have to have it

[2:01:44] redacted right here. And it just made it

[2:01:47] a lot simpler to to use the town's

[2:01:50] address. and Greg was fine with it. Um,

[2:01:53] and

[2:01:55] at the end of the day, I I have Tom's

[2:01:57] address in in my payroll system and so

[2:02:00] we always know where to find him and

[2:02:02] chances are if he moved, we wouldn't

[2:02:04] have his new address on here anyway, but

[2:02:07] I would have it in the payroll system.

[2:02:09] >> Okay.

[2:02:13] » Anyway, the town council has reviewed

[2:02:14] and approves the town manager employment

[2:02:16] agreement between the town of Springdale

[2:02:17] and Thomas Dansancy and authorizes the

[2:02:19] mayor to sign

[2:02:21] A second

[2:02:21] >> motion by Pat, second by Randy Pat.

[2:02:24] >> I Randy.

[2:02:25] >> All right.

[2:02:28] >> Um any any general discussion?

[2:02:33] » I have something. It's um after our

[2:02:36] training that we did when uh Roger

[2:02:40] Carter talked about us looking at the

[2:02:42] code of conduct for the town and Rick

[2:02:45] sent that out to us. It's I think it's

[2:02:48] over 10 years old and it's time for us

[2:02:49] to relook at that. And I think we ought

[2:02:51] to have a conversation also about public um comments and that kind of

[2:02:56] thing and just kind of clarify what this

[2:02:58] council wants. And I want to propose

[2:03:01] that we have a work meeting because I

[2:03:02] think it'd be a lot to talk about in a

[2:03:04] meeting like this. If everyone's okay

[2:03:06] with that, um we could either look at

[2:03:08] our calendars now or Robin could get

[2:03:12] stuck trying to get dates from us. Um,

[2:03:16] Kyla is not here, but I think that if we

[2:03:19] could narrow it down to when the four of

[2:03:21] us are available, that would be a really

[2:03:23] good start. Is that okay?

[2:03:25] >> Just for my notes here to discuss code

[2:03:27] of conduct or is there something more

[2:03:28] general you want to say just

[2:03:31] >> um Yeah. Let's let's call it code of

[2:03:33] conduct.

[2:03:35] >> Whatever that document was called that

[2:03:37] Rick sent out to us.

[2:03:39] >> I I've got it somewhere here. Let me

[2:03:41] I'll tell you what it's called.

[2:03:44] So you get it right there.

[2:03:57] Uh it's called

[2:04:02] cond conduct policy and he no

[2:04:07] >> conduct policy and

[2:04:09] >> Rick in his in his subject called a town

[2:04:11] conduct policy for elected appointed and

[2:04:14] staff and public meeting rules of order

[2:04:16] and procedure. That's a mouthful.

[2:04:19] If you look at his memo of February

[2:04:22] 19th,

[2:04:27] but the document itself is saying rules

[2:04:31] of order and procedures for public

[2:04:32] meetings and public hearings. So,

[2:04:34] whatever you want to call it. Okay.

[2:04:37] >> Uhhuh.

[2:04:45] » I don't have a preference. Do Do the

[2:04:47] rest of you have a preference?

[2:04:52] When is a room most available? Probably

[2:04:55] during the daytime, huh?

[2:05:05] » Parties at three.

[2:05:08] >> Well, that's that's the day, you know,

[2:05:10] Rick Rick's retirement party is 3 to 5.

[2:05:12] What if we did it right after?

[2:05:15] >> Is that too inconvenient to set the room

[2:05:17] up, though?

[2:05:21] We've got a

[2:05:24] meeting.

[2:05:38] » I was going to say that on the 27th we

[2:05:40] are um what if we did it at

[2:05:44] 10 or 11?

[2:05:51] Yeah, we knew that we won't be on the

[2:05:53] stage.

[2:05:55] >> Oh, but what? But this would be so.

[2:05:58] >> Okay.

[2:06:05] » Well, but on the 27th, we do have a meet

[2:06:09] the town manager here at one.

[2:06:14] >> But what Lisa is saying is that there

[2:06:15] will be a piano here. So, it'd be hard

[2:06:17] to see.

[2:06:17] >> I had this room booked all day and I let

[2:06:20] you guys have it

[2:06:21] >> for that, but I I really need it for the

[2:06:24] I got a contract with a pianist. Thank

[2:06:26] you.

[2:06:27] >> And this isn't real time sensitive. What

[2:06:29] if we looked at Friday um April 3rd?

[2:06:35] » Does that work?

[2:06:47] I'm thinking 10.

[2:06:49] >> Oh, after 11.

[2:06:58] » 12:30.

[2:07:01] >> Okay.

[2:07:03] >> Yes. And um somebody needs to check with

[2:07:06] Kylo on that, too,

[2:07:09] >> but I'll bet she's available.

[2:07:17] on the floor is great. Yeah.

[2:07:25] So, we said March 20,

[2:07:28] April 3rd at

[2:07:31] 12:30. Okay.

[2:07:36] And I unless there's anything else, I'll

[2:07:39] entertain a motion to

[2:07:41] Adjourn

[2:07:44] second.

[2:07:44] >> Motion by Jack, second by Randy

[2:07:46] >> Pat. I

[2:07:48] >> barb

[2:07:54] 609.

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