[0:00] Alex, would you like to get a phone and just

[0:04] » It's working now. It's working now.

[0:09] » All right, let's go. 65.

[0:14] Moving on to 6.5. Discussion [clears throat] and possible

[0:17] direction to staff on policy approve improvements. This item is on the agenda

[0:22] at the request of a council member. is meant to be a recurring topic on the

[0:25] agenda and this purpose is so that council may address changes that uh may

[0:28] be needed to internal policies and uh processes during this time of limited

[0:33] staff. >> I I ask that this stay on the agenda but

[0:35] I don't have anything for this meeting for 64

[0:39] » to put back on for September. >> Correct.

[0:42] » Unless anybody else does. >> Okay.

[0:48] » Moving on to 6.6 or I guess nobody else has any. Okay. Moving on to 66

[0:54] discussion and possible direction uh to staff on capital improvements

[0:58] [clears throat] items on the agenda at the request of council member. This is

[1:01] meant to be a recurring topic on the agenda and it purpose so that council

[1:03] may address critical repairs and construction needs in the town during

[1:06] this time of limited staff. >> I have a question on this topic and

[1:11] would again would like to hear everybody's thought on it. Um, now that

[1:16] Parker Road is complete and the mediums are now still are now open,

[1:21] uh, what's anybody's thought on um, doing uh, treelining the median like

[1:29] they did like especially like in Saxi area down 78 um, around Saxi going down

[1:36] 78 toward George Bush. Um, any thoughts on that? Just in general, no real

[1:43] actions, just thoughts. I don't know if we can legally do that.

[1:46] » I think we can.

[1:51] » I mean, I know they they restrict mailboxes because of

[1:54] » Yeah. >> of traffic hazard.

[1:57] » Yeah. >> They did a

[1:58] » had a tree. Is it worse than a mailbox? >> They did a nice improvement plan in

[2:01] Murphy when we had lived there years ago. They also had grass there and they

[2:05] had been wanting to improve it a long time. It actually looks a lot nicer

[2:08] along that Betsy Road area. They have all the trees now. It used to be all

[2:11] just grass for very long, but they put the budget to improve that. I think it

[2:15] looks nice. >> They also put water and irrigation into

[2:18] that, which we'd have to consider. >> It's probably I don't know how much they

[2:21] spent. I'm sure they spent some They add irrigation. It's going to add

[2:24] considerable >> cost. We can I mean, we can figure out

[2:26] how big the project needs to be, but it's an interesting idea.

[2:29] » Absolutely. Certainly be beautiful. I don't my my only thought on that is I

[2:34] think we had to wait for a year a year year or so to stabilize that that median

[2:38] because >> No, I I

[2:39] » the soil they put in there is garbage. >> Yeah.

[2:41] » Yeah. Just waiting for it to sink after a good couple of rains. But

[2:45] » but that my thought literally is going down 78 to George Bush a few times in

[2:51] the last couple of weeks and when I was seeing the the trees I thought we've got

[2:56] Parker Road is really nice. >> Absolutely. Um now, however, if we'd

[3:01] lined it with trees such as going through sexy,

[3:05] then it would be it would be very nice.

[3:11] I just wanted to get anybody's thought on that, what their what y'all's

[3:14] thoughts were on it. >> I think it's worth pursuing in about a

[3:16] year or year or two just just because letting that foundation, that soil

[3:21] stabilize and figure out what's going to happen with that sod they put in. This

[3:25] was also on the agenda as a recurring item for you to be able to bring up any

[3:29] kind of needs that you see or RBL tells you about that we need to.

[3:36] » So, we already have RBL going on some of the stuff from last meeting, right?

[3:39] » So, I could use this as a as a as a gate a segue to to speak to. There is a road

[3:44] that will be coming across u will be going undergoing repair. um some things

[3:51] that AVL has addressed that uh are higher priority than others.

[3:57] Um so you will see those before or next month.

[4:03] » Okay. >> So we've made progress on the stuff we

[4:06] approved. >> We have seen progress on um check sign

[4:10] but we are definitely wheels are in motion. Yes.

[4:14] » But to Mr. to John's point, you know, this is a good opportunity for outside

[4:18] of that or anything that you wanted to bring out. I didn't mean to step on

[4:20] that. >> Yeah, I'll definitely keep that in mind

[4:22] and if anything comes to mind, I'll drop it down for next month.

[4:25] » Just real quick though on the medians, I do want you all to keep in mind it be I

[4:29] would love to have something nice there, too. Don't get me wrong, but that is

[4:32] where Tex dot is planning on extending Parker Road to six lanes. So, there is

[4:37] potential that anything we do could get undone.

[4:39] » That's right. >> Yeah. But the discussion around that

[4:41] with with Tex was well there's a number of things it's the traffic flow. It

[4:46] depends on if WY is going to allow something to happen through their main

[4:49] street >> which the likelihood of that is far

[4:52] beyond remote. >> Um so six lanes going down two lanes one

[4:57] in each direction is bizarrely insane to even contemplate. So I

[5:03] » but you got to keep in mind there's not going to be a bypass around Y lane. Yes.

[5:07] May still be six lanes getting to that point. Yeah. Parker going off to the

[5:12] park going to the right. Yeah. >> Um but even at that um the entire medium

[5:18] doesn't have to be populated from edge to edge. You can still do the trees down

[5:21] the middle of it. So that if they widen it because that's the

[5:25] » the other little part of this engineering aspect is it's two lanes

[5:30] right now, but it's really two and a half lanes. Um, so all they would take

[5:35] is approximately somewhere between uh 6 and 10 ft of the median away. So it

[5:42] would still be a rather large median still left. So

[5:45] » some trees would be great. >> But that I mean that that additional

[5:48] land in each direction has to it depends on a lot of things. Plus it's state cost

[5:53] and they have to have some kind of a compelling reason to spend the tens of

[5:57] millions hundreds of millions to do it. and I just don't think they get the

[6:01] benefit out of it. Honest to God, >> it's it's a ways down the road, but it's

[6:05] a good point. Both are good points. >> It is a ways down the road. Also,

[6:08] bringing me to that topic, now that Tucker Road is done, we do need to

[6:12] re-evaluate our irrigation system here at Town Hall. They did have to cut some

[6:16] of the lines to expand the road. So, there it's mostly the outer portions

[6:21] towards the roads that may not be getting coverage

[6:23] » and they didn't fix it. >> I don't know what was agreed upon. They

[6:27] should have >> when that was originally started, but

[6:31] it's definitely something we need to look into, figure out if we need

[6:34] additional zones, coverages anywhere. And then also, I know there's been

[6:38] discussion about potentially putting some kind of barrier to keep cars from

[6:42] coming off. >> Yeah. So, so the barrier will come will

[6:44] come down once, you know, things are all open up. Uh we and then we can probably

[6:50] go out for bid for that. Definitely. So, the council should consider something

[6:54] like that. I was going to I was going to ask if there was any kind of a a thought

[6:58] or a contemplation of a of a barrier in the curve. Um

[7:05] we I'm certainly open to it. I just don't want it to be looking like we

[7:09] walled off the town hall. If there's some, you know, columns or whatnot that

[7:13] are to protect cars from coming through while it still looks open to the public,

[7:17] that would be great. >> [clears throat]

[7:18] » Yeah, I think I think there's I think there's absolutely

[7:22] um maintaining the ways you could do it and um

[7:27] that that we could make it certainly >> pleasant to look at and not to be like,

[7:33] you know, we're walling it off or any shape, form of fashion,

[7:36] » freeway, >> right?

[7:39] » Exactly. >> Mr. Mayor, are you still meeting with

[7:41] the >> the Well, we'll uh I am got an email

[7:46] out, so we'll definitely I'll be able to touch on the sprinkler system as soon as

[7:50] » um but I I think the that shouldn't have to have come through council. That one

[7:54] can just be

[7:58] [clears throat] >> anybody anything else

[8:00] » on this one. Was this the one where we also uh could talk about I think were we

[8:04] going to connect with WY about the easement? Is that a discussion at one

[8:09] point? Yes. So, I've uh I do I have had my initial or preliminary discussion

[8:16] with Mayor W. >> Okay.

[8:20] » Can you give us an update next time? >> Yes.

[8:23] » Okay. Thank you. >> This time I was like I don't have enough

[8:28] information to be able to give you an update.

[8:31] » When is your I'm sorry. When is your >> When is the uh your text meeting on

[8:35] Tuesdays? It is on Tuesdays. >> No, Wednesdays.

[8:40] » Wednesday. >> Every Wednesday.

[8:43] » Yes. >> So, we'll have you'll have one this

[8:46] week. >> Um,

[8:50] can you um run it by them? I know that they say that they sweep and I know that

[8:55] they say that they they run the sweeper down.

[9:00] They need to run the sweeper down like five or six times and slowly, not just

[9:05] let me just zoom by and say we've swept. Um

[9:09] Tracy, I've talked to Tracy about it before with text dot, you know.

[9:13] » Mhm. and he knows and they'll they'll swing by with the sweeper. But there is

[9:20] there's nails, there's metal, there's um when the when the when the brush um when

[9:27] the uh when the road brush goes through, it slings off 8 in metal because they're

[9:33] brushed. The the brush that's on the uh road brush is metal brushes and it

[9:39] slings off these eight 10-in long metal pieces everywhere.

[9:45] And I know two people that have gotten already have flats.

[9:50] So I was asked. So I'm asking

[9:56] » noted. I will uh bring that up in my concerns.

[10:01] » They're almost through. So you know what I mean. It's just like hit the curbs,

[10:05] drive along the curbs. You know, you don't have to have to do it two or three

[10:09] times. even pull into people's driveways, you know, pick it up, back

[10:13] back out, get, you know, you're almost through, guys. Now, make it look nice

[10:20] or at least start it off nice so we have it a nice starting place, sir.

[10:30] Moving on to uh 6.7 direct discussion and possible direction

[10:37] to staff regarding the town secretary position. Items on the agenda request

[10:41] for council members meant to be a recurring topic on the agenda and its

[10:44] purpose is so that council may address staffing needs in the town during this

[10:47] time of limited staff. You >> you were going to go through resumeumés.

[10:52] Yes. Report back to council uh some potential interviews. Yes. So,

[10:58] down to the last three. So, out of the first 100 applicants, we're down to the

[11:03] last three applicants. So, I will be engaging town staff at that time to uh

[11:11] for additional resources because I need

[11:15] additional resources. >> Okay.

[11:19] There's only 24 hours in the day. >> Any issues that you see in your role in

[11:23] your role? just so I could use like two more of myself.

[11:32] » The hours are there. >> Anything else for 67?

[11:37] » Anybody else? No. All righty. We're going to move along down to 6.8.

[11:40] Discussing possible action regarding the drainage and grading study for DFW

[11:44] connection points as required by the SUP approved on 512 2025.

[11:52] So this evening, council will consider for approval a grading and drainage plan

[11:56] submitted by Spires Engineering for DFW Connection Point Church as required by

[12:00] the SUV approved on May 12th, 2025. The study must be approved prior to the

[12:05] issuance of the building permits based on the recommendations of the town

[12:08] engineer. As a reminder, the SP requires the church break ground on the project

[12:12] by December 2026. >> So says, "We have no adverse comments

[12:17] and recommend approval. Is there any reason why we should approve this?

[12:23] » It's open for discussion. >> Our engineers suggest we're moving it.

[12:28] » Mr. Larry? >> No.

[12:31] » I don't have any concerns. Pearson. >> No,

[12:35] the only the only thing I did notice in this was the um I guess it's a traffic

[12:41] study that is the study doesn't show St. Paul alignment, St. Paul road alignment

[12:46] where it is now. Traffic section 69 68 >> like appendix. Oh, am I wrong?

[12:52] » We're on 68. We're drainage and grading.

[12:57] » I move to approve the grading and drainage plan submitted for DFW

[13:00] connection point church by Spire's engineering based on the recommendation

[13:04] from the county engineer. >> I second.

[13:06] » All in favor? >> I.

[13:08] » All right. So, on to the I thought we were talking about Sorry about that. The

[13:12] uh Can we let the mayor read it? Thank you.

[13:17] » Discussion and possible action regarding 6.9 the discussion possible action

[13:21] regarding the traffic impact analysis for DFW connection point church as

[13:24] required by the SP. >> All right. Before we make motions, I'd

[13:27] like to talk about the traffic alignment on section C appendix C for the trips

[13:32] does not show the alignment for St. Paul Road the way it is today. So shown

[13:36] things doing U-turns 50% which I don't think are going to be there because the

[13:41] alignment for St. road that's not there cuz one of those exits I believe is

[13:44] going to be aligned directly with St. Paul road I think right

[13:48] » yes >> yeah that is correct so the can I please

[13:53] » um so this uh this study and our textile permit is approved for all the driveways

[13:58] proposed uh so they took no comment to this so we do have um one of our main

[14:06] driveways is aligned with St. call road with the light.

[14:08] » Is there going to be a light in your on your side?

[14:12] » On our side? No. >> So,

[14:15] there's not going to be a light. That's a huge problem.

[14:17] » So, so somebody's going left. >> There's a right turn only.

[14:20] » Yeah. They restricted us to only go right. We have a sign right turn right.

[14:25] » For both for both. >> No. Uh, correct. For both.

[14:28] » For both. >> One of them is a full median opening.

[14:30] » So, even though your road lines up to St. Paul Road, you can't turn left

[14:34] coming out of your property. >> That's correct. That's not, you know,

[14:37] that's not going to happen. >> Well, there's there's a there's a median

[14:40] walking um in the >> Yeah, they've got a little concrete

[14:43] thing that's supposed to divert it to the right triangle.

[14:47] » Was was that the solution? That was that is the only solution because the refusal

[14:52] or because the option was for a light to go there or the recommendation was

[14:56] » there was no option for us to get a light. Uh um if we were to when we

[15:02] approached them, it would have been 18 months before we could have gotten a

[15:05] light there. >> Well, they the driveway was already

[15:07] existing and they designed uh they designed the signal and we had um Tracy

[15:13] Mo and all the main textile people. Uh this was the proposed solution by them.

[15:19] Um and Jennifer Forester. Well, yeah. There's a little concrete uh diversion

[15:26] that's in the plants that says you can't go left.

[15:29] » That's going to be a mess.

[15:33] » Is that something we bring up with textile as well? Is that this is this is

[15:37] really a mess. >> I I I would

[15:39] » It wouldn't be that big a deal. Let me say this if I if I may. If it wasn't

[15:42] that much of a travel road that St. Paul Road is a very highly traveled road and

[15:46] so I can see that being just a mess. >> Yes, absolutely.

[15:51] you you can hold off until I can get further clarification. I I just I heed

[15:58] with caution because they you know again December 2026 that's the deadline that

[16:02] the town imposed on them to break ground.

[16:06] » Are y'all pursuing that uh for for some a future change?

[16:11] » I mean you're on target say that again. We're hoping to break ground next month.

[16:16] » Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering in the future, are you are you pursuing to have

[16:19] a light on your side where you could go left?

[16:22] » Uh right now we haven't thought past phase one, which I mean keep in mind

[16:26] we're 100 people church and so for us uh >> yeah, I'm not I'm not suggesting we like

[16:31] postpone this or anything. I'm just I'm just curious.

[16:34] » So yes, it would be nice, but uh it's because they did it for the Montasuri

[16:41] school down here. Why in the world can they do it for these guys?

[16:44] » Exactly. Exactly. It doesn't exist.

[16:48] » So, you would you would like to push that. Okay.

[16:55] » Driveway was there and they designed the signal for a three-way intersection

[16:59] and we came back and pointed that out to them. Actually,

[17:03] » just make sure the owner of the property wants to do what we're saying

[17:07] they would incur, not anybody else. >> Yeah. But we were we were under the

[17:10] assumption that they were designing because the driveway was already there.

[17:14] Well, the driveway was moved while they were designing it. And so now textile,

[17:18] they we we found out they were putting the poles up and we said, "Hey, where's

[17:21] our light?" And they kind of said, "Well, it wasn't in the design." And so

[17:27] we we basically determined that this ride out only was they said it was

[17:33] acceptable to us or we agreed to it because we just, you know, we want to

[17:37] move forward with our project. However, we would love if the town supports that,

[17:41] we would love >> Well, yeah. So, no wonder it says so the

[17:43] 50% U-turns is going to be right. You're going to have a bunch of trouble doing

[17:46] U-turns. >> So, I mean right now um our engineer

[17:50] doesn't have an issue with this and says uh would endorse approving it. So, um

[17:57] you know, that's fine, but I think we ought to as a town and as a property

[18:01] owner push text dot to make that change for safety reasons. But I don't want to

[18:07] penalize the church on not being able to get their project on because of text. I

[18:11] don't Yeah, I don't think there I don't see a reason why the church should be

[18:15] penalized for their property running there. There's nothing I wouldn't see

[18:20] anything in these plans that should preclude them from beginning and even

[18:24] where their driveway in existence is because the the the stop lightss um that

[18:31] would go on to Parker Road or at St. Paul Road are they can be secondary.

[18:37] There is many roads around that are completely already built and have stop

[18:42] lights put up after the fact. And so I don't know if we're saying the same

[18:47] thing, but >> yeah. So I mean I'd like to move to

[18:51] approve the traffic impact analysis submit for DFW connect church plus

[18:54] engineering based on recommendations from engineer.

[18:57] » Do I have a second motion? I'll second as long as we do engage with text dot on

[19:03] this being an issue >> and then I would suggest that we as a

[19:06] separate issue address that with text dot in partnership with the property

[19:11] owner pastor just I'll reach out to you. Okay.

[19:18] » So who was my second because I second >> okay all in favor?

[19:24] » Any oppose?

[19:29] Motion passes.

[19:34] » Moving on to executive session. Texas Government Code have [clears throat]

[19:39] five. >> You don't have to go to it. That's

[19:41] that's just there in case y'all needed it.

[19:45] » Is there any reason why anybody would like to go to executive session?

[19:50] » Okay. I'm going to move on to uh item number eight. Discussion of about 8.1.

[19:57] discussion about uh future meeting agenda items. Anybody have any topics?

[20:02] Now, >> the one I sent last month that did get

[20:05] added. >> Yes, sir. That one is going to be uh

[20:10] the 14

[20:17] sorry adding the item about the >> newspapers and the ordinance.

[20:22] » Yes. Yes. The ordinance the ordinance for for uh uh newspapers for for uh what

[20:30] would you call it? >> For the ordinance for to restrict the

[20:32] newspapers the one we refer to PNZ.

[20:36] » Oh, the unsolicited >> unsolicited material. That's the word I

[20:39] was looking for. >> You want that back on the agenda?

[20:41] » We have to make the motion to send it. >> Yeah.

[20:45] » And then >> I don't think we did. I think David I

[20:47] can review that meeting but Mr. Overcast was here and I'm pretty sure he said

[20:50] that y'all did not have to make a motion to do that. to do what?

[20:53] » To send it to PNZ. >> I can review the recording.

[20:57] » Okay. >> I'm pretty sure that's why we did it

[21:00] that way. He was here. >> If it's if it doesn't require, we'll

[21:02] push it on. >> Amen.

[21:04] » Okay. >> Sorry, Mr. Dre.

[21:08] » Uh yeah. So, we had a um a a a citizen I think it was last meeting that

[21:16] uh asked why we just listen to public comments and don't talk about it. And I

[21:23] think it would be good as mayor in your comments if you would let them know that

[21:27] we are unable to talk about things that are not agenda items

[21:31] just as a reminder because they did not know that and they were

[21:35] assuming that we're just ignoring their comments and just not even paying

[21:40] attention because we wouldn't comment back or discuss it. So we'll put that

[21:47] would bring some clarity to public comments and what we can and can't do as

[21:51] a council.

[21:55] I like that.

[22:01] » Okay. Thought it was already in there. Okay. Cool.

[22:07] All righty. Mr. Pearson.

[22:11] » No.

[22:17] » All right. What are we doing right now? >> Um, future items.

[22:19] » Future items. Any future >> items? Yeah. Okay.

[22:22] » Okay. >> All righty. At this time, we're going to

[22:25] move on to 8.2 regular council meeting. Do I have a motion for adjournment?

[22:30] » A motion that we adjourn the regular meeting.

[22:32] » I second. >> All in favor?

[22:34] » I

[22:40] time is 8:20.

[22:46] All right. Thank you.

[22:57] All righty. Let's see. The time is now 8:20. Going to go ahead and do a roll

[23:04] call for the board of adjustments meeting. Mr. Nail

[23:08] » present. >> Mr. Dryen here.

[23:11] » Greg >> here.

[23:14] » Mrs. Buley >> here.

[23:16] » Mr. Simmons here. All right, we have a quum.

[23:21] Would you like to do the pledge of allegiance again or we're just going to

[23:23] say recount it all and move on to number three, the announcements. Town of St.

[23:27] Paul is currently seeking town secretary please visit St. Paul text.

[23:33] » Yeah. >> Sorry.

[23:38] » You can put anything in front of you. [laughter]

[23:41] Did I just pose the wrong one? >> Is that

[23:49] okay? >> 2.1 consideration and approval of the

[23:52] minutes from the BOA meeting held on July 13th, 2026.

[23:55] » Like how I did that. >> I'm helping you out there, bro.

[23:58] » That was a >> I move to approve the minutes of the

[24:01] board of adjustments meeting held on July 13, 2026.

[24:04] » I second. >> All in favor? I

[24:07] » except with the members absent. Robert Simmons

[24:12] » he got a quick I says me was I there I says member's absent I think I was not

[24:18] there but I didn't say I'm absent >> no you were there remember I called you

[24:21] and we had this conversation >> because I was confused because the way I

[24:25] had written it down is I written down you were absent I was like no she was

[24:28] there >> oh you remember

[24:32] » so we're talking about board of adjustments right I was absent for that

[24:35] » oh you were not abive session seconded yes I was not absent for the executive

[24:40] session but I was absent for the motion was

[24:44] » made and second so for the minute I think he'd add my number my name because

[24:47] I was present I don't I was >> okay but I wasn't

[24:52] » with that condition all in favor >> I

[24:58] oppose

[25:01] a second >> all right

[25:06] moving on so so [clears throat] 3.1 there was just one

[25:12] sign that was still left off. >> Correct.

[25:14] » We technically have to have to open the public hearing.

[25:18] » Yeah. Got to open it up. Public hearing regarding varian request for public car

[25:22] wash that was approved on 511 2026 meeting but an admin error was made in

[25:26] the number of signs needing an approval. This hearing is to consider allowing one

[25:30] additional sign to the property. Wish to speak.

[25:32] » I'll make a I'll make a motion that we uh

[25:35] » not yet. >> Hold on. comments.

[25:37] » Any comments? >> Okay.

[25:40] » All right. Public comments. Public hearing is now closed.

[25:44] » Go ahead and do a uh >> Well,

[25:47] I got a second one. So, there's also the 3.2 is cons conduct a public hearing on

[25:51] a request for variance submitted by the town of the Coventry Reserve seeking

[25:55] relief. >> Article 3.05004

[25:59] for permanent signs which states temporary signs are allowable for 120

[26:02] days per year. Only one sign per building is allowed to be mounted

[26:06] permanently. >> Public comments.

[26:13] I'm Daryl Blakey. I represent puppetry. Um the reason that we're asking for

[26:19] bearance on that is because with the road construction stuff, we've not been

[26:24] able to this is on the property of two at 2010

[26:29] which is power to move. It's a sister organization to Coventry

[26:33] and they serve the public I mean community that have spinal injuries and

[26:40] wheelchairs and the road is not sufficient into that

[26:46] property or drive. We intend to rebuild that. So we really don't have a location

[26:52] to build the sign the permanent sign at this time until we get that road

[26:57] rebuilt. They have school buses. They serve the WY school district. And then

[27:02] they have uh people that are in chairs that come in with adaptive driving

[27:08] equipment on the cars. So we we've got to rebuild the road for them to

[27:12] accommodate them adequately. So that's really the hold up. Otherwise, we would

[27:16] already be going for permit for the permanent sign.

[27:20] » When do you think it'll be able to do the driveway? Uh we're working on

[27:23] funding for it, but uh you know probably four, five, six months and and we're

[27:30] going to have to get a permit from text dot because the entrance to the drive

[27:35] was was not u we tried to talk to them about widening that at the time, but

[27:41] they they wouldn't change that or they weren't able to do that. But we're going

[27:46] to need to widen the entrance. only got a 9 ft wide apron coming into the

[27:52] property. So, and there's a big drainage that goes across there and goes under.

[27:57] So, doing the drive is going to be quite expensive.

[28:01] Made the water coming under Parker Road and coming across there and goes under

[28:06] that driveway. So the request is for

[28:13] it's just for an extension of the temporary signs

[28:17] » that and a waving of the fees simply because it's a nonprofit and they they

[28:24] don't have >> I guess we that's 42 I guess we should

[28:28] discuss at this point. >> Yeah. Yeah.

[28:29] » All right. Thank you. >> Yeah. Sorry. I've got to close the

[28:31] public hearing before discuss. Okay. >> Thank you.

[28:37] this time a motion to close the public hearing. Seems like we have in the past.

[28:40] » I just I have to close. Okay. So, at this time I'm if there's no other

[28:45] comments I would make, you know, close the public hearing. We're going to move

[28:49] on to uh regular agenda 4.1 discussion possible action regarding correction to

[28:56] a variance approval for club car wash from May 11, 2026 meeting from 13 to 14.

[29:02] Signs needed. I'll make a motion that we um

[29:09] allow for the variance for the 13 to 14 signs.

[29:16] » Okay. Do I just That's it.

[29:19] » Yeah. Yeah. >> This is just administrative. We just

[29:22] missed that one. >> Yes.

[29:25] » Also, thank you. >> All in favor?

[29:28] » Yeah, we went over all those songs and where they were placing them.

[29:31] » I remember that. I just didn't understand why we were singing them.

[29:35] confused >> 4.2

[29:39] and here I sorry does anybody else have something question

[29:44] discussion possible action regarding a variance for the for the cover reserve

[29:47] seeking relief from article 3.05004 05004 permit sign which states temporary

[29:51] signs are allowable from 110 days per year. So and only one sign per building

[29:56] is allowed to be mounted permanently. This request regarding signs at the

[29:58] location 2010 Parker Road aka power to move. They're also seeking relief from

[30:02] the required application fees that accompany the sign and variance

[30:05] applications. >> This is for a business right

[30:09] but is the res but is that land a business or residence?

[30:14] » Are you talking commercial land? It's in it's a nonprofit.

[30:20] » So So I think believe it is zone type F.

[30:26] Well, no, because that would be churches.

[30:30] » I'm not entirely sure. >> I mean, I know the church I know

[30:32] Coventry is zoned as a church. >> Do you happen to know what how how your

[30:36] property is zoned? >> Actually, the cover is zoned as a

[30:40] school. >> Okay.

[30:41] » But the point being is I understand the Covent tree makes sense. I'm not sure

[30:44] about this property. I think this property is supposed to be a residence.

[30:47] » Well, that property is a owned by Coventry. We purchased that property.

[30:54] » I'm not asking who owns it. I'm saying that it's not it's not zoned to be a

[30:58] business. >> I can provide some clarity if you

[31:02] » please. >> So, this is where the map is going to

[31:06] come in handy. Okay. >> I'm not going to get into it too much,

[31:10] but power to move is one of those is it or isn't it?

[31:13] » Okay. in the town. >> Okay.

[31:16] » And so it has been treated as ETJ for a number of years. And so that's why there

[31:21] is a >> I guess you could call it it's not

[31:24] really a business like he said it's a not for profit but it's not being used

[31:27] as a residence. >> Is is the Coventry facility the building

[31:30] itself in the city of St. Paul in the town of St. Paul or is it in the county?

[31:35] » The Coventry there's two >> there's two structures on that property.

[31:40] One is an 80 an 80 by 40 that's been turned into a gym for adaptive fitness

[31:47] for this these uh participants. >> Mhm.

[31:51] » The other is was a residential house that's being used for respit for

[31:56] Coventry weekends for Coventry uh participants that go to the Coventry

[32:02] day. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, like I've talked about

[32:05] before, when we sit before you as the zoning and uh what is it? The view board

[32:11] of adjust board of adjustments. The zoning board of adjustments. We're not

[32:15] sitting as a town council. We're sitting as a quasi judicious body that's

[32:19] supposed to be looking into whether or not we're supposed to allow for this

[32:22] variance to be granted. And so, the first thing that we need to do, I think,

[32:25] as a body is figure out what is this property zoned as. And it sounds like

[32:30] it's in limbo at best. It's really Yeah, it it's

[32:35] really um

[32:40] there's some concerns with where the property lines are,

[32:43] » right? >> But I do want you all to keep in mind

[32:45] this is for signage, which is something we can control also in the ETJ,

[32:50] » right? >> And and the sign is not lit. Is that

[32:52] correct? The temporary sign is not lit. >> Not lit.

[32:54] » Um and having a sign would be public safety for people to know what's there

[33:01] or if that's the driveway. So, let me tell you what exactly they're

[33:04] asking for. So, they want to keep their temporary sign out for a period of

[33:08] longer than 120 days. So, we would ideally

[33:11] » the sign that's there now. >> The sign that's there now.

[33:14] » They also want a second building mounted sign on the power to move building.

[33:19] There is a currently a sign on the front and a sign on the side and they would

[33:23] they are seeking permission to keep that second sign up.

[33:28] So, there's those are multiple parts. are also seeking relief from all of the

[33:32] application fees associated with said sign permits and for their variance

[33:38] application. They did pay the fee for the application and they are seeking

[33:42] relief which would require us to reimburse the fee.

[33:45] » And as I recall the the sign ordinance does not allow for variance for

[33:49] temporary assignment for temporary assignment dates.

[33:54] It's it's and it's also not like a variance for zoning or for adding on a

[33:58] house. It's not about hard partnership. It's about making sure we're doing the

[34:02] what that the ordinance allows for. I don't believe it even allows for

[34:05] variance.

[34:12] » What page? >> The very last page.

[34:18] » The very last page.

[34:23] » So the entire sign ordinance is in here. >> Yes. So I think I see

[34:28] regulations

[34:33] to check the sign. There we go. Page 307, I think.

[34:41] » What was that, Mr. Dragon? >> It's very last page. Very last page.

[34:44] 3.05. >> I don't see anything in here that says

[34:47] that it can't be for a temporary sign. >> Well, I don't think that's the entire

[34:51] sign ordinance. So, I'm trying to go to the I believe the sign ordinance

[34:57] cuz I was one of the authors. >> I don't think it allows for variance for

[35:01] this. >> So, you believe this is the entire sign

[35:05] ordinance in the back here? >> Yes, I printed it directly from code,

[35:10] » but I have reviewed it versus the phys physical copy of the ordinance and they

[35:14] are the same.

[35:22] uh IDC hardship language isn't it 3.05.01A

[35:30] so we have the authority to grant variances

[35:33] from the provisions of article respect to on premise lines only when said court

[35:37] has made a specific finding from the evidence presented that compliance with

[35:40] provisions of the article result in a substantial financial hardship super

[35:43] equity

[35:56] So this was a couple months ago. We were going to look at this and I had not

[36:00] then I do remember there being something about not allowing for variances on

[36:05] temporary signs. >> So it does say a new event show such a

[36:08] very permitted variance including committing a sign which is an unlawful

[36:11] sign under section. >> The the previous one was a request for a

[36:16] lit temporary sign. >> Okay. And that's that was the difference

[36:20] is that they wanted the big arrow with all the lights and the flashing.

[36:25] » That that was the difference. That was >> although it doesn't

[36:28] » I think this is a conforming sign a conforming temporary sign versus what

[36:32] was requested before was a non-conforming temporary sign.

[36:35] » It doesn't say nor permitting a commercial sign and a residential zone

[36:38] other than it's permitted by this article. So there is an aspect of what

[36:41] is it zoned as

[36:47] » well? Oh yeah, there's I think there's question about whether the So here's the

[36:51] here's the thing. The signs are going to go in the town of St. Paul,

[36:56] » right? >> Proper the buildings themselves

[37:00] under >> not in the

[37:02] » or fall outside of Yeah. Paul. >> So the building that falls outside of

[37:08] St. Paul, is that the building that you're requesting the sign variance for?

[37:12] » Correct. >> Okay. If if if the building falls

[37:16] outside of the town of St. Paul, then this shouldn't even I don't know if we

[37:21] should even be >> No, we can't

[37:24] even >> They take away everything else. Greg,

[37:27] don't take that away, too. >> I didn't want to give it away. I mean,

[37:29] that is true. >> I just wanted to throw it out there. Is

[37:31] it even our call to restrict and it's not like it's a power thing. It's just

[37:35] that again, this is planning. This is planning for the future, you know, for

[37:39] situations whether whether or not the property is in the ATK. We can't control

[37:42] the signs of it. >> Okay.

[37:45] » All right. >> So, both both the temporary sign and the

[37:48] permanent building mounted sign both conform to the ordinances. It's just

[37:53] getting permission to have because we only allow one building mounted sign.

[37:56] So, they need permission for two and then they would need and then I don't

[38:00] know if y'all want to set a timeline for the temporary sign

[38:03] » and and the fees, right? So the fees would they wouldn't have had to have the

[38:07] additional fees if it wasn't because we had to

[38:10] » we delayed them. The fees aren't the big deal.

[38:12] » Yeah. >> Isn't there a monthly fee or something?

[38:15] » Yes. Temporary signs are $75 a month for the permit. So requesting that as well.

[38:22] Yes. >> Is and is the claim because this is a

[38:25] hardship due to the fact that text dot didn't widen their drive approach. So

[38:30] they're having to wide they're they're widening the driveway but they're having

[38:34] to create funding because they're a nonprofit and this is all sort of

[38:37] stemming that really >> before we wouldn't have had this issue

[38:40] except for the fact that text did a 9 foot driveway as opposed to a commercial

[38:44] driveway. >> I think those are two separate things

[38:46] group this temporary sign request is not because of anything tech.

[38:49] » I thought I thought that that was the reason they were

[38:52] » they're going to be requesting a permanent sign when tech stop finishes

[38:55] but that's a whole other issue. This is a temporary sign

[38:59] » that they have currently that they're wanting to extend. Has nothing to do

[39:02] with text. >> Oh, I I I misunderstood. I'm sorry. I I

[39:06] thought that the temporary sign was only going to be temporary because they

[39:09] didn't want to put in a permit because of the

[39:11] » when they when they fixed their driveway issue. He said they're going to request

[39:14] a permanent sign, which will be a second sign that that's going to that's going

[39:18] to come back to us. >> I'll come back.

[39:20] » Right now, it's just a temporary sign that they're wanting to extend.

[39:23] » But you make sure nothing. you make motions, right, with those contingencies

[39:28] that it gets re-reviewed. You can do that.

[39:30] » Here's my other question is if you know where your driveway is and you know what

[39:37] the widening is going to be for it. >> What is the preclusion of going ahead

[39:41] and putting up a permanent sign? >> I think they're going to work.

[39:44] » There is a permanent sign. >> So, the Parker Road is finished. He's

[39:49] talking about Sir, are you going you're going to be working on the road that you

[39:52] have on your property, right? That is correct. But the road rolls off pretty

[39:57] steeply on both sides. So it's not like >> Let me ask you this. Is there any

[40:02] further construction happening on Parker Road for you?

[40:05] » Uh no. >> Okay. Thank you.

[40:07] » And there already is a permanent sign. This is going to be a second permanent

[40:10] sign which they'll have to get approval for.

[40:13] » So it's coming back to us. >> No.

[40:16] » No. So that that will I mean I guess it depends on what the kind of sign they

[40:20] apply for ultimately. that a sign that's going to be at the front drive of the

[40:24] property is going to be like a monument style sign which they can have in

[40:28] addition to a building mounted sign. >> There is sign for Coventry there.

[40:33] » That's for Coventry. This is for power. >> Are they going to be one or are they

[40:37] going to be two separate? >> Coventry is on.

[40:40] » It is two. It is two separate propert.

[40:45] » I'm sorry guys. I know it's confusing. >> It is. It is. So, yes. So,

[40:49] » is the sign house there? It's not >> is this sign is this variance requesting

[40:54] that sign be a monument sign. So it'll be one sign with two distinct business

[41:00] names on it or is are we talking about two separate signs all together?

[41:05] » The permanent sign will will be one sign with one name on it

[41:11] » just for power. Sir power move is going to be

[41:15] operated separate from Coventry. understand it's owned by it, but you're

[41:18] going to work those two properties separately.

[41:20] » It's actually a per a separate uh nonprofit, but they lease that building

[41:25] from Coventry, >> right? But you're going to operate those

[41:28] two different uh buildings, if you will, or two different properties

[41:33] » kind of separate from each other. Oh, yeah.

[41:34] » Yeah. Yes. >> So, the two the sign that you're talking

[41:36] about is not going [cough] to be with or in the same location as the Coventry

[41:42] sign. It's going to be on the property that's further to the south.

[41:44] » To the north. >> North. Okay. Ah, okay. So, it's that

[41:48] it's a story. >> Mhm.

[41:50] » Okay. So, it's a separate driveway all together.

[41:52] » I tried to put in a visual, but I guess it doesn't.

[41:54] » So, it's a separate driveway, separate sign. It's all separate.

[41:57] » All separate. >> And it used to be a So, I believe it

[42:00] used to be a residence, right? >> Yes.

[42:03] » Excellent. So, all the signs are for power to move. So, they want two

[42:06] building mounted signs, eventually one permanent monument sign,

[42:11] » but for now it's a temporary sign. >> Okay. So the question I believe Mr.

[42:16] Pearson just asked is is there a reason we can't put the monument sign up now?

[42:23] » Are you asking me? >> Yes, sir.

[42:25] » The reason? >> Yeah. Is there a reason we can't put the

[42:27] monument sign up now? The permanence on it?

[42:30] » It's because the drive is not sufficient. It's going to the drive is

[42:34] going to have to be widened and the embankment enough where we can put the

[42:38] permanent signs. >> So the embankment work is the issue.

[42:40] » That's correct. >> That's what he let in with. I think it

[42:42] was a little confusing because we we we must have felt like

[42:45] » property is mixed up. >> Oh yeah, the property's mixed up. And I

[42:47] guess there was some mix up about >> needing to complete Parker Road. It's

[42:51] not a completion of Parker Road. It's a completion of your personal or not

[42:54] personal your your entity's driveway into your property.

[43:04] I would say the second building sign mounted is not would not be we wouldn't

[43:09] particularly need that after we get the monument sign.

[43:12] » So that's a temporary as well. >> Yes.

[43:15] » And and why do you so there's there's not a road over there. Why do you need a

[43:19] second sign on the building? Well, there's two properties that use

[43:25] that driveway and so it needs to be on the front of the building so the people

[43:29] coming in will know where they're supposed to go.

[43:34] » And so why does there need to be one on the other side of the building? If you

[43:37] have one on the front, why do you need one on the other side? Well, we had

[43:41] problems when during the construction of the of the highway [clears throat] was

[43:46] people not being able to see or know how to get in there because there were the

[43:51] the drive is so narrow that they would miss it.

[43:56] So, they put a sign on the north side of the building to help accommodate

[44:01] visibility

[44:04] cuz when I drive by there, I can only see the part of the building that's

[44:07] facing the west. Right. If you're driving on, if I'm thinking of

[44:12] the right building up in the >> If you're going if you're going north on

[44:16] on Parker, when you come up on 2010, you look, you can see the sign on this north

[44:21] side of the building. >> The north side of the building is not

[44:25] facing Parker. >> No.

[44:27] » So, how can you see that sign? I mean, I've driven by many, many times. I've

[44:30] looked at it being curious what's going on there because of businesses popping

[44:34] up without a permit. Um, and I believe I'm looking at the west side of the

[44:39] building when I drive by Parker going north. In fact, I would think I would

[44:42] have to be looking at the west side of the building. I don't see how there's

[44:45] any possibility of seeing the north side.

[44:46] » The north side's very visible on the road.

[44:49] » Okay. >> Now,

[44:51] there's a lot of trees been moved and stuff there. Just be straight. This is

[44:57] north, right? That's south. And so, >> when you're driving south, you can see

[45:01] it. >> Okay.

[45:04] Right. Yeah. I'm not sure I see why you need to

[45:07] have two signs on the building, but Okay. And

[45:11] » is there I think for safety uh and as long as

[45:15] it's conforming, it's because before we've had to deny non-conforming with

[45:19] the lighting and stuff on temporary stuff.

[45:21] » Are they temporary? So, they are temporary or which one's not? So, I

[45:24] guess that's what we really need the firm clarity is is that second sign

[45:27] going to come off the building. >> That's what I just heard as well. I just

[45:31] heard that second sign is not a permanent sign. It's also a temporary

[45:36] sign. >> And so its temporary status would also

[45:39] fall in line with the temporary status of the street signs. So when the

[45:43] permanent sign at the street goes up, then the second sign on the building

[45:49] would be all disengaged. It would come down along with the temporary sign at

[45:54] the road. >> That is for the power to move property.

[45:58] » That is right. So Coventry, the only question with that is is leave the

[46:04] temporary sign in place for an additional 120 days until a month.

[46:08] » Has nothing to do with co It's just power to move. [clears throat]

[46:12] » It's all all these signs are for power to move.

[46:15] » All right. Okay. I apologize. I thought that one was in play, too.

[46:19] » No. No. >> Okay. All right.

[46:21] » No, that's just the entity that owns power to move. The owning entity is the

[46:26] Coventry. >> Okay.

[46:27] » For for for traffic and for uh for stuff. I mean, I would I would support

[46:32] extending it. >> Oh, yeah. I'll make the motion

[46:35] » with no fees. >> No fees. Wave the fees.

[46:39] » We didn't talk about the fees, though. So, it's

[46:43] » Well, we can put it. >> So, it's 75 a month.

[46:45] » We We can make it for six months. >> So, they've already paid me $75 once and

[46:50] 150 once for the variance application. So,

[46:54] That's >> any more specific clarification if we

[46:57] can work on that as well. >> So,

[47:01] » can I ask if it's Do we typically not I think someone said nonprofit do we

[47:06] typically not wave fees or is that like our standard or is the council's

[47:10] discretion? I feel like it should be a standard.

[47:11] » Yeah, we're not the council. So, that's part of the problem with this is that we

[47:15] really I don't I don't know if the board of adjustment can actually wave fees. I

[47:19] don't know that we even have that ability.

[47:21] Yeah, >> I think the council does, but we are not

[47:23] the council. >> The council would have the governing

[47:25] authority over over policy change >> or tempor specific policy.

[47:31] » So, we could approve the sign, not approve the fee waiver and uh push that

[47:36] to council to the to the >> Okay. Okay. And yeah, in the motion,

[47:42] just make sure that you iterate that in the motion.

[47:45] » All right. And I'll make a motion. >> Hold on. Sorry. I'm sorry. I mean,

[47:49] you're saying 5 to 6 months. How confident are you on that number? 5 to 6

[47:53] months for this >> be done.

[47:56] » The road the the drive reconstruction is going to be 50 grand. So, we're going to

[48:04] have to re get the funds together to get that done.

[48:07] » Are you going to be great regrading the area and so regrading and bringing in

[48:12] dirt? Are you changing? Is that currently an easement with drainage

[48:17] through it? Yes. >> Okay. That's going to change things.

[48:21] » That's going to change things. >> Okay. So, these are things that that

[48:26] I just we're going to have to be fully transparent. I understand.

[48:34] So, in in regards to this, um

[48:40] I would make a motion that we approve the adjustment to

[48:46] two additional temporary signs of 120 days,

[48:52] both of which should be scheduled to come down at the

[48:57] end of 120 days pending a new sign or the permanent sign

[49:03] is built.

[49:06] And secondly, uh that we u

[49:11] schedule for the council to uh consider adjustments to the fees for temporary

[49:20] signs. >> And the only thing I I mean this is the

[49:23] part that I was trying to find is in the variances. It says we cannot grant

[49:27] variances for commercial signs and residential zone. And that's part the

[49:30] part that's in limbo. We don't know. Yeah. Can we have it be pending? We

[49:34] confirm that. That's >> We will not be able to.

[49:37] » No, we can't. >> There's not going to be We're not going

[49:39] to be able to confirm that. >> Yeah. That That is That is another

[49:42] project that is in process that is not anywhere near uh where we're going to be

[49:46] able to make that call yet.

[49:50] » Yeah. I I >> we've been going under the premise that

[49:52] it's not residential. >> And that's I'm going under the premise

[49:55] that this is a commercial venture. It's operating as a nonprofit commercial

[49:59] business. So, it's okay for your neighbor to start

[50:03] a nonprofit put signs up. >> No, no, I'm not advocating it. It's just

[50:08] an operating >> currently an operating

[50:11] » not putting signs up. We're extending signs that are already that have already

[50:14] been approved. >> It's okay for us to do that. I don't

[50:17] agree with that. I think if my neighbor has a 16ft sign that they have put up at

[50:21] their house, it's a residence, they shouldn't be allowed to leave it up.

[50:26] » So, why is it that we can't figure out the zoning? Why is that? That's a whole

[50:29] map. No mapping issues. >> There's mapping discrepancy with the

[50:34] third with with a third party. >> How long is that? Is that long tail on

[50:38] that? >> We do not have an ETA.

[50:41] » It's a bigger project, >> but the council has uh approved

[50:47] legal counsel to for an RFQ to engage with a third

[50:52] party to do to address our maps.

[51:02] So is that motion that was motion?

[51:06] » So So there was a motion made with >> Yeah, the motion's made. So you know

[51:11] » the motion that's there is to approve two temporary signs of 120 days

[51:17] » to extend >> to extend

[51:18] » extend >> the two temporary signs to 120 days. And

[51:22] after 120 days, they got to come down with the new permanent signs being

[51:26] built. >> Corrected.

[51:29] » We start that counting tomorrow. >> And uh that would commence as of um what

[51:36] was today's date? >> 24th.

[51:38] » Commence as of August 25th.

[51:44] » I'll second it. >> All in favor?

[51:51] I'm having a little hard time.

[51:55] » Nay, >> I have a hard time.

[52:00] » There's not a tie. Once you have two, that's it. It's done. They have to have

[52:03] a super majority. >> Even with the mayor,

[52:06] » he's not the mayor, but even with super majority, which would be

[52:10] » I don't know if I have a vote. So, you don't have any authority here?

[52:12] » I don't think I have. >> You do. You can move. I do.

[52:15] » Yeah, you do. But it has to once you have two nays, it's over.

[52:19] » Okay. >> Because it's not super.

[52:21] » Okay. Well, then it will be denied. >> Motion denied.

[52:24] » Well, no, it's not denied. You have to actively deny it.

[52:27] » Okay. >> That's one of the things we've learned

[52:29] with with over the years of doing this is you have to have an active motion

[52:32] that has to pass. >> Okay. Oh, that's correct. Okay. I

[52:36] understand what you're saying. Okay. So, that motion did not pass.

[52:40] » Okay. >> Do I have any other motions?

[52:44] I >> if if we don't do anything

[52:46] » then it's denied >> then it's automatically then the then

[52:50] the current sign permit expires and the signs come down.

[52:54] » All right.

[52:58] » I don't know that we have enough for I can I'll motion that we deny I can

[53:00] motion that we deny the variance request.

[53:03] » Okay. Do I have a second

[53:07] to get over?

[53:12] Okay. Okay. >> And the reason why is not because of

[53:16] safety. I think it I agree with the safety issue having sign. I just don't

[53:20] know if we can actually prove it. But the language here is my concern of the

[53:25] » So yes, may I suggest a little bit more

[53:31] research? >> So at this point it's a mpoint.

[53:35] » Right. So then >> it seems like I'm trying to remember

[53:37] this is why it's nice to have council here with you. It seems like it seems

[53:40] like you have to supermajority to be four. You don't have to have a

[53:43] supermajority to deny. That's what I remember. So you can have just a

[53:46] plurality to deny it, but you have to have a supermajority to to approve it,

[53:51] » which four out of six is not super. >> I forget the percentage that's required.

[53:58] » 75% >> 75% of the board has to hear an item to

[54:02] vote on it, but I don't know if that's >> it's the same for the approval. And if

[54:06] and if the board is if any of the members are absent, they count as a nay.

[54:09] » Yeah. >> Yeah. So four out of six won't do it.

[54:14] » So at this point then >> so

[54:18] did we have enough votes to deny? We didn't we didn't have like a plurality

[54:22] because it doesn't have to be a super majority to deny.

[54:24] » We we didn't have >> we don't need it.

[54:26] » But I like the idea of maybe we could research this a little bit more.

[54:29] » Yeah, I think we need a little bit more research on

[54:30] » table the discussion. >> You could we can table this and revisit

[54:34] it. Um and the zoning be right. So that could be a

[54:40] motion where you revisit this. You can give yourself ample time. Um so you know

[54:46] your next meeting would you could potentially have your next meeting.

[54:50] » September 14th. And we could well so we could make a motion

[54:58] » to table um this uh temporary sign issue until

[55:07] we have u legal counsel give us suggested u

[55:16] give us suggested options for the um

[55:23] the permitting of this property that's functioning under a commercial

[55:29] uh exception currently

[55:34] and I guess part of that motion would be I would direct the mayor to

[55:39] to seek the legal counsel. >> Oh, Kristen, you you're concerned with

[55:43] some of the language. >> Yeah. and the variance I'm

[55:46] » so is that it would this motion accomplish meeting Kristen and that's

[55:51] what I I was trying >> maybe there's something else in the

[55:54] article that maybe we're not seeing right now that allows us to do this I

[55:58] guess my concern is over the language that says not permitted commercial sign

[56:02] or residential zone and if it's residential then I think we're

[56:04] permitting it >> I mean do does this give Alex and our

[56:09] mayor the ability the what they need to then ask council

[56:13] » yeah I think legal reviews so that we can put this on next month's agenda and

[56:19] address it again. >> I don't think we need here.

[56:23] » I mean, there's several questions that came up, you know, so long as those get

[56:28] answered, I suppose. >> All your concerns.

[56:32] » I've got Okay. So, I've got the motion to table until legal counsel can be

[56:35] sought regarding the zoning and the wording of the restriction that you're

[56:40] seeing. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to encompass

[56:44] » her concern too with the commercial >> versus residential

[56:49] » just be able to get that one addressed. I assure

[56:52] » I I know but I mean but well I was hoping David David might give us some

[56:56] kind of a >> I mean some kind of opinion

[56:59] » kind of an opinion saying because this is this is commercial operation that's

[57:03] currently actively operating

[57:07] » in this zoned area. >> It's been acting non-residential for

[57:10] some time. >> Yes sir. Yeah, I I don't disagree. I'm

[57:13] just in doing it properly. >> No, I understand. But but I we're asking

[57:17] our attorney to make a determination on something

[57:21] » to give us for him. But

[57:24] » I mean, at least let him give us an opinion

[57:28] » that you know that might make everybody more comfortable with it.

[57:32] » Is that the only thing we want to ask him?

[57:35] » That was the only thing. Yeah, I mean I I need to I guess the

[57:41] only other one I don't understand is why because usually when a property when

[57:46] they're asking for signs on both sides of the building or multiple sides of the

[57:49] building, it's because you have roads on both sides of the building. We don't

[57:52] have roads on all the sides of these buildings. I don't understand why you

[57:56] need extra signs on, you know, two different sides of the building.

[57:59] » That's my legal question. >> Well, that would be an SP. That's a

[58:03] right. So, that would require an SUP to have an additional signage. It's

[58:08] » okay. >> But yeah, so you're still in the ZBA.

[58:13] » Yeah. Okay. >> So So you would have to So in your

[58:17] motion, you would because nobody's accepted your motion, you can your

[58:22] motion >> and and with with with Alex kind of

[58:26] guiding you >> as a refresher.

[58:29] » Yeah. Uh so right, you can table it for September

[58:34] 14th. for September 14th and bring back with legal counsel addressing all the

[58:40] council's concerns >> and that should be

[58:43] » okay. All right, that's fine. Can we just amend my motion?

[58:48] » Yeah, if you want to say it again for the record.

[58:50] » Okay. Um then I make u I make a motion to table the variance from the allowable

[58:57] time of temporary sign placement um until

[59:03] September 14th. at that time. Seek um uh legal council's recommendations and

[59:12] or advice on the um suggested wording of commercial property sign placement at

[59:21] this current operating facility and supply council with

[59:29] uh suggested course of action.

[59:35] Do I have a second? >> I'll second.

[59:38] » All in favor? I >> oppose.

[59:44] Motion carries. Make a motion to be this. We have a second for the motion.

[59:49] » I'll second [laughter]

[59:53] I'm going to put Robert down. Who wants to take a second? I'll take Mr. Simmons

[59:57] a second. All in favor? I Mr.

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