[0:01] and start the meeting. We will start

[0:03] with the pledge of allegiance.

[0:06] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:09] United States of America and to the

[0:11] republic for which it stands, one nation

[0:15] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:18] justice for all.

[0:22] » Moving on to roll call.

[0:26] >> Commissioner Benner

[0:27] >> here. Commissioner Hooper

[0:29] >> here.

[0:30] >> Commissioner Buckeye

[0:31] >> here.

[0:31] >> Commissioner Tucker

[0:32] >> here.

[0:33] >> And Alderman um Leazison Patrick Fehey

[0:37] is absent. So we have a quorum.

[0:40] >> Okay. Moving on to the approval of the

[0:43] agenda for tonight's meeting.

[0:45] >> So uh before before we uh do an approval

[0:48] for the agenda, I want to make a couple

[0:50] changes. One, I want to remove the I

[0:53] left this on there, the August 17th,

[0:55] 2026 minutes. So, we're just going to

[0:57] strike that out. Also, under new

[1:01] business item 8, um the first one there,

[1:05] SGHC029-26

[1:08] is misnumbered.

[1:10] The uh rather than I'm hoping it's going

[1:13] to be 034-26,

[1:17] but I don't know that yet. Uh that's

[1:19] just an internal tracking number for us

[1:21] anyway, but I did want it to be

[1:22] reflected on the record. So, uh, I'll be

[1:26] inserting the correct number into that,

[1:28] uh, once I put it back in the system and

[1:30] it gives me a new number. Um, but that's

[1:32] all the changes I have.

[1:39] I'll make motion to approve the agenda.

[1:42] >> I'll [clears throat] second.

[1:43] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to

[1:45] approve the amended agenda. All in

[1:47] favor?

[1:49] >> I. Any opposed?

[1:53] Okay, moving on to the approval of

[1:54] minutes from our last meeting of August

[1:56] 26th, 2026.

[2:22] Are you going to make that change?

[2:24] >> Yes, I will be making a change on the on

[2:26] the back page. Looks like you're all

[2:28] looking at it. Um third line down, it's

[2:31] not president, it's precedent. So, I

[2:34] will be making that change.

[2:40] » I will make a motion to approve with the

[2:43] modified change. Second. Okay, I have a

[2:47] motion and a second to approve the

[2:49] minutes from the last meeting with the

[2:50] modification of the spelling. All in

[2:53] favor?

[2:54] >> I. Any opposed?

[2:58] » Okay, moving on to the introduction of

[3:00] evidence.

[3:01] >> I would like to uh have entered into

[3:03] evidence the St. Genevie Municipal Code,

[3:06] the um Heritage Commission guide design

[3:09] guidelines for the city of St. Genevieve

[3:12] uh National Register District and the um

[3:17] all of the submitted evidence and

[3:20] applications with each case before you

[3:22] tonight.

[3:23] >> Motion to approve the uh evidence.

[3:25] Second. [clears throat]

[3:26] >> I have a motion and a second to accept

[3:28] the evidence. All in favor?

[3:30] >> I.

[3:31] >> Any opposed?

[3:34] Okay, moving on to old business.

[3:39] Okay. So, um the walking tour uh mobile

[3:43] app grant uh they'll be having their

[3:47] final public forum on Thursday uh

[3:50] September 24th. Um, and that's uh right

[3:53] before our city count a little bit

[3:54] before our city council or sorry board

[3:56] of alderman meeting uh here at city hall

[3:59] in this room at 3 p.m. So uh they're required to have so many public

[4:03] forums and this will be the final one so

[4:05] that we can get moving on with the

[4:07] project.

[4:09] Uh next item up uh the the next year's

[4:13] grant which is the GIS historic data

[4:15] layer update. Um really there's no further updates. uh we're

[4:20] filling out some some more paperwork

[4:22] now. So, we're kind of in that paperwork

[4:23] process um with the state to finalize

[4:26] everything. So, it still kind of is at

[4:28] the same stance that it was except we

[4:29] are filling out some more additional

[4:31] paperwork. So, as soon as I get any more

[4:33] information, I'll pass that along.

[4:37] And the next item um was from uh two

[4:42] meetings ago. Um so, it's at 288.

[4:46] Actually, it's a vacant lot between 288

[4:48] and 296 South Main Street. And this is a

[4:50] resubmitt. Um, so if you look at um it's

[4:54] original application. Um, however, I did

[4:57] alter my [clears throat] um report to

[5:02] show um

[5:06] what they are submitting for approval.

[5:08] Um, as you can see there, uh, what

[5:11] [clears throat] you all asked them to

[5:12] do. Uh if you remember what was there

[5:14] before in the picture there before was

[5:16] kind of like a a gamble type roof uh

[5:20] narrower structure. Um totally different

[5:24] style. Um the other one that that did

[5:27] get approved looks almost identical to

[5:30] this. Um and they did include uh a

[5:33] picture of what the material is and it's

[5:36] actually wood. Okay.

[5:38] >> So that is a wood material so it's not

[5:40] fake. So um yeah, obviously it's not

[5:43] full log, but um that that is the

[5:46] material type on both structures.

[5:48] >> Okay. So they are resubmitting that uh

[5:52] before you tonight. Um and I feel that

[5:54] they they've met the requirements of

[5:56] asking what you all have wanted from

[5:58] them, they are here. Uh if you have any

[6:01] questions for them, um they are here if

[6:03] you have any questions.

[6:04] >> Thank you.

[6:07] >> I thank you for putting together this

[6:08] package. Their request is I think we're

[6:12] it's very nicely done.

[6:15] >> Make a motion for presented.

[6:17] >> What a question.

[6:19] >> Just coming here in case you guys got

[6:20] any questions. You're a fun group to

[6:22] talk to.

[6:22] >> Sorry, it's all me.

[6:24] >> Wasn't there one we denied for the faux

[6:27] log sighting?

[6:28] >> No,

[6:30] >> it was the one. No, that was the one

[6:31] that he was talking about that looked

[6:33] like a shed.

[6:33] >> It was turned the other direction and it

[6:35] was just

[6:36] >> a different make sure we were being

[6:37] consistent. This This is almost

[6:39] identical to the one we approved.

[6:41] >> The one you like?

[6:42] >> This was the sighting that we did like.

[6:45] >> Was that like that Dutch?

[6:48] >> Well, we thought the siding was fake. I

[6:50] thought that that was not real sighting.

[6:52] So, we were like, "Well, that ain't

[6:53] good." Then I went and actually looked

[6:54] at it, knocked on it, and it's Yeah,

[6:57] it's real. It's real log siding,

[6:59] >> right? I Yeah. I just wanted to double

[7:01] check cuz I started

[7:02] >> And then I We modified the other house.

[7:04] >> This is the one.

[7:05] >> It's going to be That's the one. That's

[7:07] the first one,

[7:07] >> right? Yeah, it was the first one.

[7:09] >> No, it's been changed to the

[7:10] >> I don't necessarily mean them. I mean,

[7:12] has the board seen one before that we

[7:15] have denied?

[7:16] >> I don't recall.

[7:17] >> I don't remember. Okay. I just remember

[7:19] it coming up before and I just wanted to

[7:20] make sure that we were being consistent.

[7:22] >> Yeah. I don't think so.

[7:24] >> Okay.

[7:25] >> I was say especially if it's new. Now,

[7:27] if it was trying to match a replacement,

[7:29] that would be a totally different story.

[7:31] Yeah.

[7:34] >> That was it. I'm sorry. I'm a child.

[7:37] Yeah.

[7:37] >> Okay.

[7:39] I like to make a motion to approve it as

[7:41] presented.

[7:43] [clears throat]

[7:47] » Somebody else has something else.

[7:52] » I have a motion to approve the amended

[7:56] certificate of appropriateness to

[7:57] construct the new home at the vacant lot

[7:59] between 288 and 296 South Main Street.

[8:03] Do I have a second?

[8:05] >> Second. Okay, I have a motion and a

[8:07] second to approve. All in favor?

[8:10] >> I I Any opposed?

[8:19] » I didn't hear you. Sorry.

[8:22] I didn't hear you. I'm sorry.

[8:26] [laughter] I didn't hear you. I

[8:27] just wanted to be sure. Yeah. The eyes

[8:30] have it.

[8:31] >> Okay, guys. So that's all you need for

[8:34] Thank you guys. Thank you.

[8:36] >> We'll be in touch with the permits.

[8:37] Okay.

[8:38] >> Well, thank you.

[8:39] >> Sorry, Wendy. I'm sorry.

[8:40] >> I didn't hear either. She's right next

[8:42] to you. I'm sorry. [laughter] Look at

[8:43] me. I'm What did I do?

[8:44] >> I just wanted to be

[8:53] handle this. Okay, moving on to

[8:57] the next item. to receive a certificate

[8:59] of appropriateness for the installation

[9:01] of vinyl windows in place of wood

[9:04] windows on the side and rear of the

[9:06] building at 145 Washington Street.

[9:10] >> Okay. So you have before you the

[9:12] application

[9:14] and my report there uh which shows a

[9:17] picture of of the the schoolhouse um as

[9:21] it's called and then uh they had

[9:23] submitted something for windows there

[9:25] but um the [clears throat] contractor uh

[9:29] Mr. Bayer there standing in front of us

[9:31] um brought this which this includes what

[9:35] they what they're now proposing not

[9:37] vinyl windows uh but this is a

[9:40] fiberglass type window that uh when when

[9:43] you really look at the finish of it has

[9:46] uh especially if you look at this top

[9:47] one here it has the wood look finish to

[9:49] it. Uh they're here to answer any

[9:52] questions you have about that

[9:53] installation. Um, and I'll pass this

[9:56] around so you guys can see that.

[10:00] >> And my apologies. I I had first told

[10:02] Alex we'll go with a vinyl type window,

[10:07] but um uh I'm all about the historic

[10:10] preservation. So my my point was vinyl

[10:14] is vinyl. It looks vinyl. Um, and Marvin

[10:19] comes out and Anderson as well have

[10:22] really good windows that have a lot of

[10:25] simulations to the wood. Um,

[10:27] >> seen these before.

[10:28] >> And [clears throat] anytime I'm dealing

[10:30] with a brick building or something like

[10:32] that, I I really get worried about the

[10:36] today's quality of wood. So, um, and I

[10:41] do understand that we have to have wood

[10:43] on the front. [clears throat]

[10:46] >> Or do we?

[10:49] >> At this point, yeah,

[10:52] I'm not going to fight with them.

[10:54] [laughter]

[11:03] That's just a brochure that uh the

[11:06] architect give me. just kind of give you

[11:09] the script

[11:10] >> and they will do them custom 6 over6

[11:13] exactly what's there. They'll replicate

[11:15] precisely what is already existing

[11:16] there.

[11:17] >> Yeah.

[11:18] >> So it would it not look like what it

[11:20] does now.

[11:27] » Yeah. Hopefully it won't fall apart like

[11:30] that.

[11:33] Fiberglass will last a long time.

[11:40] I think the way they are.

[11:45] [clears throat]

[11:45] >> Do we have any additional questions?

[12:03] » I'm just a big fan of wood.

[12:06] What's that?

[12:06] >> I I'm a huge fan of replacing the wood

[12:09] with the wood.

[12:10] >> Yeah.

[12:12] >> My my biggest thing honestly, Mark, in that is the quality of wood today.

[12:17] No, I and I

[12:19] >> and it it it it trust me as many years

[12:23] I've been doing this and watching

[12:26] today's wood, you know, um

[12:28] >> all the new growth wood,

[12:30] >> it it just you know, if you get 10 years

[12:32] out of out of a window anymore, you're doing great. and and and and it's

[12:38] sad, but [clears throat] that's why I've

[12:40] been on this hunt trying to, you know,

[12:43] everybody was doing vinyl vinyl and it's

[12:44] like it looks vinyl and it's like I Kim,

[12:49] is there something out there? And like I

[12:51] said, Marvin and I I believe Anderson

[12:54] are two of the companies that

[12:56] [clears throat] that um have a really

[12:59] good simulation of wood. And um and so

[13:03] that's kind of what I wanted to do was

[13:06] uh you know I know in the past that

[13:08] they've passed vinyls on the sides and

[13:11] the back, but

[13:12] >> we don't want to trash the building up.

[13:15] We want it to look as authentic as we

[13:17] can.

[13:17] >> Right.

[13:18] >> And these came recommended by the

[13:20] architect who does a lot of restoration

[13:22] of historic in St. Louis.

[13:24] >> Do you have any pictures of the windows

[13:27] as they are now that are in the

[13:29] building? You know,

[13:30] >> I went up and looked at

[13:32] >> Yeah,

[13:32] >> I'm sure I do.

[13:34] >> I probably do.

[13:35] >> This one right here, the whole front

[13:37] gone.

[13:37] >> Yeah, I know a couple of them are. I was

[13:39] just curious.

[13:41] [laughter]

[13:42] >> I mean, for the most part, most of them

[13:44] are in pretty decent shape. You just

[13:45] have a lot of really bad feeling paint.

[13:49] >> Uh the frames are gone [clears throat]

[13:52] and and most of them like on the

[13:55] >> Yeah. I mean, as I as I was looking at

[13:58] them.

[13:58] >> So, we have a few from a distance that

[14:00] you can zoom in on if you want to look

[14:02] at.

[14:04] >> Absolutely.

[14:05] >> Here's a few. I mean, it has a lot of

[14:07] windows is the other consideration. It

[14:09] was a schoolhouse, so it's all

[14:10] symmetrically

[14:12] >> windowed. There's like 15 or 16 of them,

[14:14] I think.

[14:15] >> I thought I took some the other day.

[14:18] >> And those are Oh, man. Yeah.

[14:29] And I can show you my

[14:33] » if you want.

[14:33] >> Yeah. No. Yeah. It's not working, is it?

[14:35] Yeah.

[14:37] >> Have some from the front.

[14:39] >> That whole side is supposed

[14:43] to side.

[14:44] >> Mhm.

[14:48] » Those are the same ones from the front.

[14:50] Oh, here's in the Oh, well, this is a

[14:52] different view of the side. Um, and the

[14:55] sort of front side. Yeah, this will show

[14:56] you some

[14:58] That's just the east side.

[15:03] The front two are particularly battered.

[15:17] » Anybody else want to see the existing

[15:18] windows?

[15:20] I touch something. [laughter]

[15:22] Anybody else want to see them? Do you

[15:23] need to see them? Do you want to see

[15:24] them?

[15:25] >> Yes. How far off are they from the left?

[15:26] >> You want to see the how far off?

[15:30] >> Well, it's the storm window in front of

[15:31] them. It's hard to see the

[15:32] >> picture in front of this.

[15:33] >> Right.

[15:34] >> I didn't see storms on them.

[15:37] >> They do. Well, some

[15:39] >> some of them had storm windows for

[15:41] probably 20 years.

[15:42] >> It's not too far off. Um but it's hard

[15:45] to see through the storm window,

[15:46] >> which is right. Yeah. So with hers

[15:49] a wooden window [clears throat]

[15:51] over the top

[15:52] >> right

[15:52] >> got

[15:53] >> and that whole side of the

[15:55] >> Yeah. Well, the whole thing is

[15:58] >> Yeah. That's that's one of the

[16:00] >> Yeah. Not a big fan of

[16:03] >> can be seen just by a drive by,

[16:05] >> right? Yeah. However, I will say this.

[16:07] We are thinking he's uh making the point

[16:10] about um you know, can you see it from

[16:12] the road? And currently, yes. But we do

[16:15] plan to put a kind of a hedge in the

[16:16] front. So, some of those windows that

[16:18] are now clearly visible from the street

[16:20] on the east side of the building might

[16:21] be a bit more obscured from the street.

[16:23] Just also to say that

[16:25] >> I don't [clears throat]

[16:27] touch.

[16:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're by time

[16:31] those windows get in in there. Unless

[16:34] they literally go up and

[16:37] >> inspect them, I doubt if they're ever

[16:39] going to see that it's it's not wood.

[16:42] [clears throat]

[16:43] >> Are they external or internal? Wait. The

[16:48] >> Yeah. [clears throat]

[16:50] Are the muttons are they are those

[16:52] between Are you getting double pain?

[16:54] >> Yeah.

[16:54] >> Are they between the pains or are they

[16:57] external?

[16:59] >> I'm not.

[17:01] >> Let me let me take a look at that

[17:02] because I [clears throat]

[17:05] There's a few different ones that

[17:09] um and he just gave me this brush here

[17:11] cuz I was like, "Do you have anything on the Marvin windows?

[17:16] Um,

[17:20] » are you talking about the divider

[17:21] pieces?

[17:22] >> I think they're external.

[17:24] >> I think they're doing it anyway.

[17:28] These are internal.

[17:32] » I'll be honest with you, I can't answer

[17:33] that, but I can I can

[17:36] >> definitely, but we need to make that

[17:38] decision tonight and I I get it.

[17:41] Um,

[17:44] most of them are on the inside out.

[17:48] Yeah.

[17:50] Um, maybe a six over six kind of like

[17:53] this. So, I'm going to say that's

[17:57] probably going to be I would say inside,

[17:59] but I can double check that.

[18:01] >> Okay. Okay. So,

[18:16] Oh yes.

[18:24] Turn off.

[18:35] Do we have any additional questions?

[18:39] I think so.

[18:44] » Are we ready to make a motion?

[18:45] [clears throat]

[18:49] » Just text to find

[18:52] just in I'll be off chance at

[18:56] >> I'm going to make a motion to deny

[19:00] based on um materials and uh I don't

[19:06] know the exact code. Do you need the

[19:10] exact code or do you assume you describe

[19:11] it?

[19:13] >> You describe it.

[19:14] >> Um based on the materials and the street

[19:18] view.

[19:23] Okay. I have a motion to deny the

[19:25] certificate to install the fiberglass

[19:29] replacement windows based on our

[19:32] ordinance of

[19:35] replacement with light materials and the

[19:37] view from the street. Do I have a

[19:39] second?

[19:41] >> I second.

[19:42] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second to

[19:44] deny. All in favor?

[19:47] >> I.

[19:48] >> Any opposed?

[20:02] Okay. So motion is denied.

[20:06] Request denied. Sorry.

[20:09] >> Thank you.

[20:16] So basically if you know if something

[20:18] else you come up with let us know.

[20:21] >> So let me ask you what

[20:24] >> wood

[20:27] repair the ones that are currently in

[20:29] there or replace with wood.

[20:30] >> Okay.

[20:34] But yet you pass

[20:37] certain buildings in this town with

[20:40] final windows that look

[20:42] >> this rougher than the

[20:44] >> this is a contributing landmark

[20:45] structure.

[20:46] >> Okay.

[20:47] >> Versus just a regular contributing

[20:50] structure.

[20:51] >> Okay. I just want I'm not I'm just

[20:53] trying to understand it. So

[20:56] [clears throat]

[20:58] So it has to be wood

[21:00] >> 100%.

[21:02] Okay. I'll work on that.

[21:04] >> Thank you.

[21:13] Okay, moving on to

[21:17] our next

[21:18] applicant, SGHC 030-26

[21:22] to receive a certificate of

[21:24] appropriateness to demolish the existing

[21:26] [snorts] rear porch and construct a new

[21:29] one with the same width but longer at

[21:32] 672 North Fourth Street.

[21:34] >> Okay. So before you you have the

[21:37] application

[21:40] and you'll see my report there uh which

[21:44] shows in a smaller view there up at the

[21:47] top a picture of the existing porch as

[21:50] it sits currently.

[21:52] And then down below is a small rendering

[21:55] of what they're going to be requesting

[21:58] to put back. As you can see there off to

[22:01] the left hand side, you can still see

[22:03] the entryway. Um that's still present.

[22:07] So that's showing you that it's not

[22:08] getting any wider. It's just going to be

[22:10] coming out 14 ft uh projecting out from

[22:13] the home.

[22:13] >> Also, um the I put some packets in front

[22:17] of you guys. Uh it was Bill Hart's old

[22:19] house and George. So uh before they

[22:22] moved, they called us out to work on the

[22:24] porch and it has rotten rafters. So all

[22:27] we did was sister in because Bill and

[22:28] Georgia didn't want to take the whole

[22:29] thing down, which I recommended to take

[22:31] it down in the first place. They just

[22:32] didn't want to pay the money to get it

[22:34] taken down when they were moving. So now

[22:36] the homeowners now see the pictures and

[22:37] they want to take the roof off which

[22:40] just extended another 6T. You can't see

[22:42] anything from the street and after it's

[22:44] done you still cannot see anything from

[22:46] the street. Um basically just want to

[22:48] make it a little bit bigger that way

[22:49] they can sit on that area and um have

[22:51] dinner outside.

[22:54] like all the the layout, the roof pitch,

[22:57] the materials, they'll all be the same.

[22:59] The only thing we're adding is screen

[23:01] screening it in.

[23:09] » And this is the contractor.

[23:11] >> I'll be [laughter]

[23:13] >> Sorry, we hadn't got quite to all my

[23:15] stuff, but yeah.

[23:16] >> Sorry about that.

[23:16] >> No, you're good. You're good.

[23:19] >> I didn't hear that.

[23:22] >> What? I didn't hear.

[23:23] >> We don't have any questions. I have no

[23:24] question. Okay. I don't have a question

[23:25] either.

[23:25] >> Okay.

[23:27] >> Have a motion.

[23:29] I make a motion approved as presented.

[23:31] >> I'll second. Okay. I have a motion and a

[23:33] second to approve the demolition of the

[23:35] existing rear porch, replace it with a

[23:38] new rear porch. Um, same pitch, same

[23:41] style, but we'll be adding the screen

[23:44] and the additional footage. All in

[23:47] favor? I.

[23:48] >> Any opposed?

[23:51] I

[23:52] >> have it. Okay.

[23:57] Same house.

[23:58] >> Yes. So, moving on.

[24:01] >> Moving on.

[24:02] >> Don't go [laughter] anywhere. Yeah, I'm

[24:03] not going anywhere.

[24:04] >> Same same property.

[24:07] This is now related to the garage and

[24:09] you will see application.

[24:11] Um, you'll see my report. You'll see the

[24:14] picture of the garage. It is the one on

[24:16] the left hand side of the photo, not the

[24:18] one on the right with the cat in front

[24:19] of it. Um,

[24:21] >> black cat. Yep.

[24:23] >> It didn't cross it didn't cross our path

[24:25] yet, so we're good. Um, so at down at

[24:29] the bottom, you'll see a smaller version

[24:32] of their their drawing. Sorry, I

[24:33] couldn't get that any bigger on that

[24:35] particular view. Um, and then included

[24:38] past that are uh photos provided um of

[24:43] the existing uh garage as that sets in

[24:47] its current condition. Then there's a

[24:49] site plan of this the size garage they want to construct or requesting con

[24:55] to construct which is a 24 by 36

[24:58] and then a copy of their plans. Uh again

[25:01] one is was included there was smaller uh

[25:04] the renderings of what that what that's

[25:06] going to look like um that they're going

[25:09] to build. Here's a bigger picture. I

[25:12] >> think he might have a full one there if

[25:13] you

[25:15] So, u the neighbors have the identical

[25:17] garage. They also have vinyl siding.

[25:20] It's white vinyl siding on their house.

[25:22] The neighbors is also white metal

[25:24] siding. And then the existing home has

[25:27] white vinyl siding. Our plan is to just

[25:30] match the existing siding on the home.

[25:33] Um, also if you look at the garages from

[25:35] street view, the neighbors and the

[25:38] garage that we're wanting to replace,

[25:39] they will look identical. Um, they'll

[25:42] sit the same distance off the street,

[25:45] um, the homeowner already got property

[25:47] like the survey and all the setbacks are

[25:49] good. So, we're good to put this

[25:52] structure on the property. Um, so all

[25:55] we're doing, uh, the homeowner wanted

[25:57] to, uh, replace this garage now due to

[26:01] there's no way for him to park his

[26:03] vehicle inside the garage.

[26:05] >> The wife can't open the garage door cuz

[26:08] it's on it's an older probably like 80

[26:10] lb door that they have to slide, which

[26:12] every time George opened it, I think he

[26:14] did everything he could to open it. And

[26:16] they kept a Mini Cooper. Uh, them cars

[26:19] are very small. um and a push mower in

[26:22] the garage. It has a dirt floor. There's

[26:25] no wiring in the garage. There's a

[26:27] little bit of termite damage. I did

[26:29] didn't get any pictures of that. Um but

[26:31] we'll be going back with white vinyl

[26:33] siding, two garage doors instead of one.

[26:36] um same 4-in gutters going around the

[26:39] structure of the garage

[26:42] and it'll look identical to the

[26:43] neighboring property which I also on top

[26:46] of it the neighbor um they share a

[26:49] driveway so when one's not home or the

[26:52] other they use the other driveway to

[26:54] park in due to I guess lack of parking

[26:56] spaces and um on four street it's very

[26:59] well known to go very over the speed

[27:02] limit so It's

[27:05] be awesome if we could put a twocar

[27:08] garage up.

[27:10] >> What are the chances you get them to put

[27:12] a twocar carport up?

[27:15] >> Uh

[27:17] that probably not very highly. Just uh

[27:20] they have a expensive truck. They're

[27:22] they got another vehicle they're

[27:23] purchasing. And then they're also right

[27:25] now they're um paying for storage over

[27:28] at uh PJ's. Um they're storing some

[27:31] stuff in there due to just the lack of

[27:33] space in the garage now.

[27:35] >> Um right now they're on the exterior of

[27:37] the garage. It's just like cement board,

[27:40] >> but it it's like breaking apart, falling

[27:42] off the back of the garage. Um like I

[27:44] said, there's no electric. There's

[27:46] rotten wood inside of it.

[27:49] >> Mhm.

[27:50] >> Yeah. So like they'd pull in. I was

[27:53] trying to see the

[27:54] >> I uh I gave some of you a packet uh to

[27:57] kind of see what the truck looks like in

[27:59] front of the garage.

[28:01] >> So, it's 9 foot 1 and 1/2

[28:05] >> and it'll be white garage doors to match

[28:07] the neighboring um white siding to match

[28:10] the existing house. Same roof pitch just

[28:13] a little bit wider.

[28:19] And then uh also electric ran to the

[28:24] garage so they can have lights and the

[28:25] garage door can open.

[28:27] I thought

[28:28] >> they had electric in the garage

[28:29] >> there. Yeah, there's no electric.

[28:31] >> No.

[28:31] Well,

[28:32] >> it's odd that they have a light above

[28:34] the door then.

[28:34] >> That's a motion the battery operated.

[28:38] >> Okay.

[28:48] I bet it was going to rain

[29:00] along that street. Um, there's also I

[29:03] think every house on that street has a

[29:05] twocar garage identical to the detached

[29:08] garage that you guys will be looking at.

[29:10] >> My issue isn't with the design. I'm

[29:13] concerned that it's a contributing

[29:14] structure that we're wanting to tear

[29:16] down.

[29:21] » Yeah. The garage.

[29:23] >> Yeah. It's a contributing structure.

[29:25] >> Yeah. Especially the the way that it's

[29:27] constructed, the siding, the the the

[29:31] standing seam roof.

[29:33] >> There's not a the house has a it's not a

[29:35] standing seam. It's ribbed.

[29:37] >> The house does the garage. It's not

[29:39] standing seam.

[29:42] >> Watch. It's

[29:43] >> It's that barn metal barn, right?

[29:46] >> I mean, we can go We can go back with

[29:47] the barn metal in the new garage, too.

[29:49] >> Just making a point.

[29:54] » The main thing is just the homers. They

[29:56] can't they're not like they really can't

[29:58] use it. They have a push mower inside. I

[30:00] think uh George and Bill along, they had

[30:03] the exact same thing. just a Mini

[30:05] Cooper, which not everybody has that

[30:07] small of a car.

[30:16] » And they're absolutely opposed to no

[30:19] carport on the other side.

[30:20] >> No.

[30:22] >> I just I just don't see a sense in

[30:25] taking contributing structure

[30:28] that's used basically [clears throat]

[30:28] for storage and destroying it.

[30:31] >> They they don't really you can't really

[30:32] store anything in there. It's and it has

[30:34] a dirt floor

[30:36] >> that can be modified.

[30:38] >> Yeah.

[30:41] » But what about parking vehicles inside

[30:43] of it?

[30:45] >> Well, that's why how many of us park in

[30:47] our driveways now?

[30:51] >> I have a carport in my yard also for my

[30:53] camper. Not saying

[30:55] >> it wouldn't fit in the garage.

[30:58] >> [clears throat]

[31:00] >> That's that's I mean kind of why I was

[31:01] saying you know the uh doing like if they would do not

[31:08] even if you could even possibly possibly

[31:09] do two of them you come off the front or

[31:11] even off the side with like the carport

[31:14] >> they share a driveway so you have about

[31:16] 15 ft until you the driveways come

[31:18] together.

[31:19] >> Yeah I see that. Yeah, I see they'd be

[31:22] from the aerial view.

[31:30] I agree with Tommy s

[31:33] like to see that especially that you

[31:34] know the only one left on the street.

[31:36] >> Yeah, I mean we can't

[31:38] >> because of the guidelines.

[31:39] >> Well, right.

[31:50] So they're not open to any modification.

[31:55] » Well, then I think that just we're at an

[31:58] end.

[32:01] >> Any further discussion before we

[32:05] make a motion to deny?

[32:07] >> I'll second.

[32:08] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to

[32:10] deny the certificate to demolish the

[32:12] existing garage and replace it with the

[32:15] larger garage at 672 North Fourth. All

[32:17] in favor?

[32:19] >> I. Any opposed?

[32:23] » There you have it.

[32:24] >> There's uh nothing that you guys can do

[32:26] about it, but they said that if they

[32:27] didn't record, they're just going to go

[32:29] ahead and sell the place. So, I don't

[32:31] know if they're going to see progress

[32:33] with the porch. I'll reach out to them,

[32:35] let you know, and see what they want to

[32:37] do from there.

[32:37] >> Okay.

[32:38] Yeah. So, just let us know so we

[32:40] can know how to proceed building

[32:41] codewise. Okay.

[32:43] >> Okay. Thank you.

[32:53] Okay,

[32:56] hold on. Sorry, I need to I didn't flip

[32:58] fast enough. [laughter]

[33:02] Okay, moving on to our next certificate.

[33:07] SGHC 032-26

[33:10] to receive a certificate of

[33:11] appropriateness to demolish an existing

[33:14] garage to make room for an addition to

[33:16] the existing home at 350 Robert Street.

[33:21] >> Okay. So, in your packet, you'll have an

[33:23] application.

[33:25] Um, I know this is getting very

[33:26] repetitive here. And you'll

[33:28] [clears throat] have my report. Um, you

[33:30] can see a a colored picture of the

[33:34] garage with the car in front of it

[33:36] there. Um, and then down below is the

[33:39] overhead view of the property. It's kind

[33:41] of hard to see the garage there. Even if

[33:44] I zoomed in, you really can't cuz the

[33:45] trees in the way. Um, also in your

[33:49] packet again, bigger picture of the one

[33:51] that was on my report. Uh, also are

[33:54] these are black and white pictures.

[33:57] They looked better on the computer

[33:59] screen than they did when we printed

[34:00] them out. I tried lighting them up as

[34:02] much as I could. Um, this is a more

[34:04] current picture than than the ones that the one that I had off Google

[34:10] Earth. Um, so what they're requesting

[34:14] again is to demolish this garage. Um,

[34:17] and the reason they're going to demolish

[34:19] this garage, they want, and that's the

[34:21] next item on the agenda. Um, they're

[34:24] wanting to add on to the back part of

[34:25] the home. They can't do that with that

[34:28] garage there. They can't add on to the

[34:30] home with the garage in place.

[34:34] and the people doing the work,

[34:37] construction work, are are here to

[34:39] answer any questions uh that that we may

[34:41] have uh for them.

[34:49] » They're coming straight off the back of

[34:50] the house.

[34:51] >> Pardon me?

[34:52] >> Coming straight off the back of the

[34:53] house?

[34:53] >> Yes, sir.

[34:55] >> Yeah. Where the existing porch is, it's

[34:57] going to be the width of the house. And

[35:01] then I believe it's 25 ft or

[35:04] >> that's not getting any wider.

[35:06] >> No, it is not.

[35:07] >> Okay.

[35:08] >> And and no porch steps or anything

[35:10] coming off the side of it

[35:13] of of the garage.

[35:15] >> The garage

[35:16] >> of the house when you extend it. Nothing

[35:18] come off to either side, just to the

[35:19] back. She's wanting to have wood steps

[35:23] come down to access the driveway off to

[35:27] I mean as you're going out then to the

[35:29] left. That would be the back of the

[35:31] house.

[35:31] >> And that's this this square floor plan.

[35:34] >> Yes, sir.

[35:34] >> Thank you.

[35:40] Do we know the current distance from

[35:43] >> Looks like about

[35:44] >> the house to the I mean yeah cuz looking

[35:45] at this picture it looks like it there's

[35:47] a

[35:47] >> it

[35:50] yeah um

[35:50] >> it it ends up being probably about 2 and

[35:53] 1/2 ft. Part of the issue is is to get

[35:56] any of the excavators or anything back

[35:59] there. it is in the way to do any to add

[36:04] on or to do the next item.

[36:09] And as we run into, well, it's not in

[36:12] very good shape, but it's also not

[36:14] usable for the size of it and whatnot.

[36:19] >> They can't get equipment in on the other

[36:21] side of the house.

[36:22] >> It's not their property.

[36:26] >> I don't believe so. or when I talked to

[36:29] Eddie Fischer, Eddie Fischer said he

[36:31] could not go on that side. How whatever

[36:33] for whatever reasons, that's exactly

[36:35] what he said.

[36:36] >> It may be higher up elevation that they

[36:38] can get up. So, what they're asking is

[36:39] if you're facing the house on the right

[36:41] hand side, there's let's say 35 ft or so

[36:46] of of property there. Is there is there

[36:49] an elevation difference?

[36:51] >> It doesn't look like you can see the

[36:52] vehicle in this tree. Yeah, that's what

[36:54] I was looking at and I drove by the

[36:56] other day and I just didn't curve.

[36:58] >> I didn't get a chance to go by this. Did

[37:00] you get to see this?

[37:04] The other thing um so so that we're all

[37:07] aware and I know we're kind of putting

[37:08] these together because if one doesn't

[37:11] happen the other one kind of so um not

[37:14] to jump ahead but um if they were to

[37:18] just add on to the house and leave that

[37:21] uh structure there, they would then have

[37:23] to go for a variance because I would

[37:25] have to deny that request to construct

[37:27] that house addition because the existing

[37:32] garage would then be in the sidey yard

[37:34] which is not allowed by zoning

[37:36] requirements.

[37:38] >> And also

[37:40] the garage would now have to meet the

[37:42] setbacks of the house

[37:44] >> for zoning requirements because it's

[37:46] within 10 ft of the house. So it

[37:48] wouldn't. So they would have to then get

[37:50] a variance for that. I'm not saying that

[37:53] for I'm just throwing it out there that

[37:54] that's what the requirements would be.

[38:00] I was fine with the addition on the back

[38:02] of the house. Pardon me.

[38:03] >> That's what I was finding with the

[38:04] addition on the back of the house.

[38:05] [laughter]

[38:10] I

[38:10] >> was looking.

[38:11] >> Is it on a foundation or a slab for the

[38:13] garage?

[38:15] >> It is not on a found. I mean I um It's

[38:18] not

[38:19] >> tell because there's so much junk in

[38:20] there.

[38:22] >> I mean sometimes from the outside you

[38:24] can tell. I I I drove by and I couldn't

[38:26] get a good

[38:26] >> I couldn't either. I wasn't going to

[38:28] walk up there, but

[38:29] >> I do the binoculars doing this watching.

[38:31] [laughter]

[38:31] >> That's not creepy at all.

[38:33] >> No, I was standing outside the

[38:36] >> I didn't tell them that everybody was

[38:37] going to be doing that, but I figured

[38:38] that that was the case. [laughter]

[38:40] >> Well, I mean, some do, some don't. I

[38:42] always do. Just

[38:43] >> I I would,

[38:44] >> you know,

[38:46] >> there is no slab

[38:49] and answer to the question.

[38:52] >> Okay. So, it's just a flooding.

[38:53] >> Yeah, it's just on a flooding system.

[38:55] Yeah.

[39:00] Gosh,

[39:02] >> I don't know any kind of stuff because

[39:05] >> I know

[39:08] >> because the garage was built at

[39:09] approximately the same time as another

[39:11] contributing structure,

[39:12] >> right? Yeah. So there's this kind of

[39:14] like

[39:15] >> well I mean honestly if I could pick it

[39:16] up and then move it for the construction

[39:20] and then pop it back down because I mean

[39:22] I have even thought about the the other

[39:24] issue is is by virtue of the way the

[39:27] roof line goes then you're right at the window level for that one side. And

[39:34] I had even thought that, you know, I

[39:36] mean, even if you could make something

[39:37] that's shorter that's looking similar to

[39:39] it off to that side to where maybe

[39:42] you've got the steps that are covered or

[39:45] the steps that are going down into the

[39:47] structure, but given the fact of where

[39:50] it's at and how it is, it definitely

[39:55] impedes

[39:57] um,

[39:59] you know, the the addition

[40:04] and she has had a water situation in her

[40:08] ba her the current basement. And the

[40:11] other thing that I was concerned about,

[40:13] well, I mean, obviously if you do

[40:14] guttering and whatnot, but I didn't want

[40:16] the additional water situation between

[40:19] the two of those.

[40:22] I'm turning it right over here.

[40:31] Is this the house?

[40:37] existing house is here.

[40:38] >> This Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, there it

[40:39] is. Never mind. I see it now.

[40:48] » Well, so

[40:52] variance would have to extend past the

[40:54] full length of the garage.

[40:57] >> Yeah. The variance would be simply to

[41:01] allow the structure to remain in place

[41:04] and the hardship would be the the historical

[41:11] >> Mhm.

[41:12] >> consideration of the structure.

[41:16] What I can't guarantee is Well, I

[41:19] haven't had that here yet, so I don't

[41:21] know what the right

[41:22] >> what the press that that is set.

[41:25] [laughter]

[41:27] I found another sample.

[41:31] This is the 350.

[41:33] >> Oh, thank God.

[41:34] >> It's It's okay cuz I kept looking at I

[41:37] was fling back and forth and I'm like,

[41:38] "Wait a minute." No. Okay.

[41:39] >> Okay. Okay.

[41:43] » What happened? I get in a hurry.

[41:47] I'll fix it.

[41:58] Yeah. So on my report there uh where the

[42:01] request is listed uh I got the address

[42:03] right at correct at the top but I

[42:06] brought it from the one previous so it

[42:08] will say 350 Roberts

[42:11] >> the one for the additions that way also.

[42:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're both I brought them

[42:16] both from the same thing. So they're

[42:17] going to be the [laughter] same way.

[42:20] I was like, "Wait a minute. Am I on the

[42:21] wrong

[42:23] covered by the letters?"

[42:25] >> That's what I was thinking. So, I'm just

[42:27] wondering how deep

[42:29] >> you don't know how deep that existing

[42:30] garage is, do you?

[42:33] >> I should have measured it. I believe

[42:35] that it is around

[42:37] >> 24. Oh, no. It's not even It's not that

[42:40] long. It's I mean, I don't even I'm not

[42:42] even 100%. A car might be able to fit in

[42:44] it lengthwise. So, it's definitely not a

[42:48] truck. I'm I'm going to say 12 ft long.

[42:58] » I mean, I know we can do with a

[42:59] landmark, but I'm also pressing in here.

[43:06] » I see what you're saying. Would you be

[43:07] able to do that?

[43:08] >> That's I don't know cuz it's on footing,

[43:11] not a true bound. was talking about

[43:13] being able to raise it up and just move

[43:15] it back,

[43:17] but then there's going to be a bed here.

[43:22] >> How much room behind the the shed to the

[43:24] end of the edge of the property line

[43:26] behind it?

[43:27] >> I think that would be

[43:30] sure looks like it's I think this is the

[43:33] garage.

[43:34] >> I feel like this is the garage.

[43:40] That's the option because

[43:41] >> yeah, as long as we're 10 ft away from

[43:43] the hole like

[43:44] >> Okay.

[43:44] >> like 5T the actual side of the room.

[43:50] >> Especially if it's only on my head.

[43:52] >> Yeah. [snorts]

[43:53] >> No, that's why I said in my head this

[43:56] >> Yeah. If it's not on a slab, man. They

[43:57] didn't do [clears throat] all the

[43:59] grinders were not on any kind of a slab

[44:01] or anything. Sometimes they're just set

[44:03] right on.

[44:03] >> I would just had a slab or or a simple

[44:06] port footing. They just set bolted down.

[44:09] That's most of them are that way that

[44:10] are that style. Yeah. And so it's

[44:13] >> it's almost a port the original portable

[44:16] building most.

[44:16] >> I mean I'm not married to this. This is

[44:18] just a hey,

[44:20] >> right?

[44:21] >> We could ask for a clarification if that

[44:23] could come out. They can look into it

[44:25] and they may come back.

[44:26] >> Come out somewhere. Right. Was it

[44:30] come out right here actually?

[44:37] » Yeah. almost worked.

[44:40] >> I would prefer that than this. I'm just

[44:42] saying it

[44:45] >> comes down to it.

[44:47] >> I see it. Probably not that

[44:52] problem.

[44:55] Is there a possibility that we could

[44:59] ask the homeowner to look into the

[45:02] possibil feasibility of moving that if

[45:05] it's capable of being moved and then

[45:06] come back and if that fits and can be

[45:08] moved to another area of the property

[45:12] to be to allow for the construction

[45:14] [clears throat]

[45:16] that we can get take care of both things

[45:19] keep you a small storage garage

[45:21] >> in a different location and get your

[45:23] building

[45:24] >> okay So my my next question is and I

[45:27] know that he was talking about the h the

[45:29] proximity to the house then uh would

[45:33] there be a specific spot that is

[45:36] recommended by the committee?

[45:38] >> Straight back straight back.

[45:41] >> Yeah. As long as it's 5 ft to not have

[45:43] to go through any additional meetings,

[45:47] variances or anything like that. You

[45:49] would have to be at least 5t off the

[45:51] property line, which should be easy

[45:53] enough to meet at that location, and be

[45:56] 10 feet, no closer than 10 ft to the

[45:59] wall of the house, not the e, but the

[46:01] wall of the house.

[46:03] >> Okay.

[46:04] >> So, essentially, for all intents

[46:06] purposes, scoot it back and over just a

[46:09] little bit. And where that measurement

[46:11] starts is right at the back of that

[46:13] house. So, from from there, you measure

[46:15] 10 ft and

[46:17] >> the addition.

[46:18] >> Yes.

[46:18] >> Yeah. 10 ft from the addition and 5 ft

[46:19] [clears throat] from the property line.

[46:21] >> I'm sure she would not be opposed to

[46:23] >> and that would save a wonderful building

[46:25] and get get the addition built at the

[46:28] same time.

[46:28] >> Okay. I I I'm I'm

[46:30] >> unless there you have a better

[46:32] alternative.

[46:34] >> I mean,

[46:36] unless they could come up with a way to

[46:38] just, you know, just get the bearings,

[46:40] leave the garage where it's at

[46:42] >> is what I'm saying. But I'm I look for

[46:45] the stairs come out

[46:46] >> a little L and stuff. Well, the steps

[46:49] are coming out 20 ft back from the

[46:52] existing back. So, I think it's still

[46:54] going to come out probably there at the

[46:56] side of the house or it'll be at the

[46:58] side in the side of the garage from what

[47:00] I'm just looking at the pictures,

[47:02] >> right?

[47:02] >> You know,

[47:06] » you mean as far as the drawings?

[47:08] >> Yeah, I was I was just going by this.

[47:10] You know, these stairs here. Here's the

[47:12] back of the existing house.

[47:14] >> Yes. Your steps come out come out the

[47:15] side, but you're still 20 ft back right

[47:18] here.

[47:20] >> This

[47:23] No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's

[47:24] not. I'm sorry.

[47:26] >> No, it's not.

[47:26] >> Yeah. Here's the existing driveway. And

[47:28] the garage sits right in through here.

[47:31] >> I was just I was looking at this here

[47:33] and I for some reason I think there was

[47:35] extension line here. So, no, that would

[47:38] actually maybe work.

[47:39] >> Oh, yeah. Then that would work because

[47:40] then the stairs would

[47:42] >> step would probably come up right here.

[47:44] That's correct.

[47:45] >> So that could be a better option for

[47:50] >> move in the garage. She just have to do

[47:52] the get a see if they can get a variance

[47:54] which I really don't think they would

[47:55] have a problem with honestly but you

[47:57] never know.

[47:57] >> It it it would if if it's coming as a

[48:00] recommendation from

[48:02] >> from us the commission.

[48:03] >> Yeah. Then that would resolve it tonight

[48:05] if we wanted it. If in fact I think that

[48:08] and and I'm just putting this out here

[48:10] because if I can

[48:13] I think she would prefer moving it back

[48:16] if it's possible

[48:18] >> be as opposed to having it you know like

[48:21] I said yeah right beside it because then

[48:23] the view is going to be the roof.

[48:25] >> Sure.

[48:26] >> So I mean I can go back and ask her but

[48:29] it it would be my opinion based on her

[48:32] >> right

[48:33] >> and what they're what they're hoping

[48:35] for. Gotcha.

[48:39] » Nobody knows of any reason in the

[48:41] guidelines that we can't, right?

[48:44] >> Yeah. I've gone through seen anything

[48:46] >> because the location is not a

[48:48] >> Yeah.

[48:50] >> You know, it's not it's not an event or

[48:53] you know something, but the property

[48:55] happened right there. So

[48:56] >> yeah,

[48:59] >> I'm just hypothetically throwing this

[49:01] out here and I'm not even adding it into

[49:03] the mix just for my own personal

[49:06] knowledge since we're talking about

[49:08] moving it or something like that and you

[49:09] we're talking about the variances.

[49:12] If in fact it could hypothetically move

[49:16] forward to where they could walk out of

[49:18] the addition and into it, which that's

[49:20] not possible based on whatever's

[49:22] happening. Would that be I mean,

[49:26] not that I'm going to run into this

[49:27] again at some point in time, [laughter]

[49:28] but I'm just saying. So I I I mean I

[49:31] guess there is some flexibility as long

[49:33] as the structure stays on the property

[49:36] within

[49:39] >> an appropriate

[49:39] >> set back from the house

[49:40] >> because the way lots are designed here.

[49:43] It's super common for this time period

[49:45] to see the garage right where it is or

[49:48] all the corner cuz we're transitioning

[49:50] from like carriage houses into garages

[49:52] at this time. Correct.

[49:53] >> So it still fit it fits the sight line,

[49:56] etc.

[49:57] If it weren't this perfect storm, it

[49:58] would probably be a no. It just so

[50:00] happens that for this situation, moving

[50:03] it backwards.

[50:04] >> Okay. Then I I would have to say that

[50:05] she would be

[50:07] very willing to do that.

[50:09] >> To answer your variance question though,

[50:11] typically speaking, to obtain a variance

[50:14] and and receive a variance, it's not

[50:16] just a matter of, you know, you you

[50:18] approach a commission like this and ask

[50:19] them for a variance and they sit and

[50:22] decide, do we want to allow it or not?

[50:23] It's can this be done legally anywhere

[50:26] else on the property?

[50:28] And if in this case, let's just use this

[50:32] case. If we were moving it forward, does

[50:34] that make its current condition worse?

[50:37] >> Gotcha.

[50:38] >> Or equal. So if it's an equal condition,

[50:41] so it's not like moving in front of the

[50:43] house. Um, it's still meeting the front

[50:46] yard setback, let's say. So it's still

[50:48] meeting it's still kind of in line with

[50:50] where it was. it's not making the

[50:52] condition worse. Um, and it would

[50:56] receive a recommendation from this

[50:58] commission

[51:00] to save that structure, then I would say

[51:04] that's a good case for various. I can't

[51:06] by any means tell you that it's going to

[51:08] get approved,

[51:09] >> but that would be a good case for that.

[51:12] Uh, regardless of of the situation, you

[51:15] always have to look at in in when you're

[51:17] doing that, can I do this anywhere else?

[51:20] So a good example that if if the

[51:22] property dropped straight off once it

[51:24] went to the back you can't build it

[51:26] there without

[51:27] >> right

[51:27] >> some massive amount of uh construction.

[51:30] So those would be good reasons to great

[51:32] variances.

[51:33] >> Excellent. Okay

[51:40] pictures.

[51:43] » Do we have any other questions?

[51:45] >> I don't know.

[51:47] So we just so

[51:50] just table it for a a relication when

[51:53] they make that decision. So

[51:55] >> I would I can I go ahead and say that would be fine.

[52:00] >> I'm sure that she you know I'm sure that

[52:02] she's she wants the addition and I'm

[52:05] sure that you know that would be

[52:08] >> I mean just cuz we approve it doesn't

[52:09] mean she

[52:10] >> we got to approve it with the with the

[52:13] with that being moved before the

[52:15] construction starts on the other

[52:16] portion. whatever

[52:18] condition.

[52:19] >> Can we can als she can also leave it

[52:21] where it's at and do the addition, but

[52:22] you just have a little narrow.

[52:24] >> Yep. So,

[52:24] >> right.

[52:25] >> Yep.

[52:27] >> So, okay. So,

[52:30] >> basically, we can go ahead and approve,

[52:33] which I I'd go ahead and uh make a

[52:35] motion to approve uh the addition.

[52:41] » So, you want you want to hit the

[52:43] demolition one first since that's what

[52:44] we're on. Okay. I said, "Well, deny the demolition and approve the

[52:51] construction."

[52:51] >> Okay.

[52:52] >> Yeah. Approve the construction with the

[52:55] >> caveat.

[52:58] I move that we deny the certificate of

[53:01] appropriateness for the demolition of

[53:03] the existing garage.

[53:04] >> Second. Okay.

[53:06] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to

[53:09] deny the certificate of appropriateness

[53:11] to demolish the existing garage at 350

[53:16] Robert Street.

[53:18] All in favor? I

[53:20] >> I

[53:22] have it. I'm sorry you didn't ask for

[53:24] posts or there's else here. [laughter]

[53:27] >> I got ahead.

[53:29] >> Any post?

[53:30] >> Eyes have it now.

[53:31] >> Okay. All right. Moving on to SGHC

[53:35] 033-26

[53:36] to receive a certificate of

[53:38] appropriateness to construct an addition

[53:41] to the rear of the existing home at 350

[53:44] Robert Street.

[53:46] I'll make a motion to approve the

[53:48] addition of the uh rear of the house

[53:52] Robert Street

[53:55] >> with with

[53:56] >> with

[53:57] >> Yeah, with that

[53:59] >> with

[54:00] >> So, are we providing both options?

[54:02] >> I I think so. I think she's

[54:04] >> I just think with the approval of of the

[54:06] site plan by by city hall, whichever

[54:09] those that they approve, as long as the

[54:11] house is moved, it's

[54:13] >> as long as as long as Yeah.

[54:15] >> Okay. So with the addendum,

[54:17] >> okay,

[54:17] >> that either the garage be moved back

[54:23] >> say

[54:24] >> to the 10 ft

[54:27] >> measurement

[54:29] >> or

[54:30] >> with approval of a variance, it can stay

[54:32] in its current location.

[54:35] >> Yes.

[54:37] with the addition to be built around it,

[54:39] near it, next to it, adjacent [laughter]

[54:46] » Okay.

[54:48] I have a motion to approve the

[54:51] certificate of appropriateness to

[54:53] construct the addition to the rear of

[54:55] the home

[54:57] with

[54:59] [laughter] the exception to either move

[55:02] the garage

[55:04] back into the yard further to be able to

[55:06] meet the required measurements or

[55:10] based on city approval to get the

[55:12] variance to leave the garage in its

[55:15] current position.

[55:17] and then build the addition alongside

[55:20] it.

[55:21] >> Okay,

[55:21] >> that's what I got.

[55:23] >> I got that. I got that. [laughter]

[55:26] » I have a second.

[55:28] >> I'll second [laughter]

[55:29] motion and a second. All in favor?

[55:32] >> I Any opposed?

[55:35] >> The eyes have it.

[55:38] » That's that's a for everybody.

[55:41] [laughter]

[55:42] >> Okay. Thank you everybody.

[55:44] >> Thank you.

[55:49] Okay, moving on to administrative

[55:51] approvals.

[55:52] >> I have none.

[55:55] » Any other business?

[56:02] » Oh, okay. So, [clears throat] you guys

[56:04] remember when when

[56:07] the ship they got a hold of us? Ed for our input on the fourth street

[56:13] bridge.

[56:15] They've sent me um an email asking me

[56:18] also for our input on the Main Street

[56:22] Bridge North Gabri. I'm sorry. I said,

[56:25] "Yeah, North Main." So, I got I have I

[56:30] don't know if you guys ever saw the

[56:31] letter. I think Bill sent it out to

[56:32] everybody. Um

[56:34] >> I actually have a I found a copy of

[56:36] that. I got copies of um I was just

[56:39] going to kind of go ahead and

[56:42] kind of go off of what he wrote from

[56:44] that and quick so you guys all see it

[56:49] there.

[56:50] >> Thank you.

[56:51] >> Sure.

[56:51] >> Well, that was the letter that Bill

[56:52] wrote.

[56:54] >> He kind of wrote as a

[56:55] >> Yeah, Bill wrote it and then he put all

[56:57] of us

[56:58] >> um I think pretty much go with the same

[57:01] format pretty much the same thing. Um,

[57:04] it was built in 1940, by the way.

[57:06] >> And it was in this guy's report and I

[57:10] knew it, but I couldn't I couldn't get

[57:11] into it. That's why I asked you about

[57:13] it.

[57:14] >> Um, but anyways, um, so there is a typo.

[57:23] » I I just on this document, uh, second

[57:25] paragraph, US highway system.

[57:31] Well, you know, it is what it is. But,

[57:34] um,

[57:36] we'll we'll change that. But, um, yeah,

[57:38] I mean, and I'll get it out to you guys.

[57:42] I'll send it to you, too, if you want to

[57:43] read it also. But, I mean, it's not

[57:46] something I'm going to do tonight or

[57:47] anything, but it'll be a few days. So,

[57:49] cuz I got So, I got that in a word

[57:52] document. So, do you want me to send it

[57:53] to you and then you can just change

[57:56] whatever you want to change? Awesome.

[57:57] Yep. Okay.

[57:59] >> Um cuz I might get with you with some of

[58:01] the uh architectural working.

[58:06] I think I might be able to get it. So,

[58:08] but I I sent I emailed you guys this

[58:11] whole report or on the bridge and

[58:13] everything that they all sent to us or

[58:15] sent to me so that you guys can read

[58:17] through it also. Okay. So,

[58:20] >> okay. Any other residents?

[58:22] >> Go ahead.

[58:24] >> Okay. Do we have any public comments?

[58:27] Yeah, I have a quick question. I uh

[58:30] submitted something uh early last week

[58:33] about putting a shot on my uh property

[58:36] and I was told to be here tonight.

[58:39] >> What? I'm [clears throat] not aware what

[58:41] >> it's 373 South Fourth Street.

[58:45] >> I I don't I don't have that application.

[58:48] So, our building inspector might have

[58:50] it, but I'm

[58:51] >> Well, that's who I spoke with, and he

[58:52] said I had to have it emailed to him by

[58:54] the beginning of uh last week, which I

[58:57] did,

[59:00] >> and I was want to have it uh started

[59:02] Wednesday if I could.

[59:04] >> Do we want to look at it?

[59:06] >> I was told that it was u you know, I did

[59:08] need a permit just to make sure that I

[59:10] had to come through you all and be here

[59:12] tonight.

[59:12] >> Yeah, he doesn't need a permit for the

[59:14] What size shed was it?

[59:15] >> It's a 10 x 12.

[59:17] >> Yeah. So he doesn't need a permit.

[59:18] >> So it's a top shed.

[59:20] >> We can talk about talking about

[59:22] >> Yep. So

[59:24] 373.

[59:25] >> Yes. You said 373 South Four Street.

[59:27] >> Okay.

[59:30] Give us just a second here.

[59:31] >> Oh, sure.

[59:32] >> Fact. I might be able to get this thing

[59:35] to work.

[59:37] >> Oh, yeah. You can pull it up on here.

[59:41] >> 373.

[59:44] have something weird playing, right?

[59:48] Surprised he uh [laughter]

[59:50] >> Oh, he's going to put up there

[59:53] like

[59:58] that happen. One of the HBC's

[1:00:01] >> David was turning it on for Zoom, but it

[1:00:03] was like playing a loop of something and

[1:00:04] so he thought it was a person

[1:00:06] >> for the Do you remember this? Just me?

[1:00:09] Okay, I'm crazy. It's true.

[1:00:12] I mean maybe

[1:00:14] >> was it there was something? Yes, I do

[1:00:16] remember there was something else with

[1:00:18] the zoom

[1:00:19] north fourth.

[1:00:21] >> South fourth.

[1:00:26] It did help.

[1:00:27] >> I have copies with me if they have these

[1:00:30] as well.

[1:00:31] >> Yeah. Can we?

[1:00:32] >> Sure.

[1:00:37] Thank you.

[1:00:37] >> That sounded like it hurt.

[1:00:38] >> It did. Thanks.

[1:00:46] existing

[1:00:51] for

[1:01:06] a nice page. It's nice for back Yeah.

[1:01:12] >> All the way back there.

[1:01:12] >> Yeah. See, what I would do is So, this

[1:01:14] is our garage way back.

[1:01:16] >> So, I was going to do is keep it the

[1:01:17] same sight line for the garage and then

[1:01:20] have it. It'll be 10 ft off the ground.

[1:01:22] I was going to go 6 ft off the back

[1:01:24] >> and the property line. And then if you

[1:01:26] go further,

[1:01:27] >> it shows you the uh contract. And that's

[1:01:30] the shed right there.

[1:01:32] >> And I made it white with the black roof

[1:01:34] to to match the rest of the existing

[1:01:36] buildings.

[1:01:37] >> Try to keep everything the same.

[1:01:40] is outside from the street.

[1:01:41] >> Yeah, it's not even visual. Do you guys

[1:01:43] want to see?

[1:01:43] >> Yes, please.

[1:01:54] » The decision, but I think it's a pull.

[1:01:57] [laughter]

[1:01:58] >> Well, at least we can say we officially

[1:02:00] pulled it out.

[1:02:01] >> I have to like lay in my head. I have to

[1:02:03] lay it out like if I'm driving down

[1:02:04] Fourth Street, [laughter]

[1:02:06] >> which drives me nuts. All the maps in

[1:02:08] town. Another to

[1:02:11] >> you see on that road.

[1:02:13] >> Do you Yeah, it so we're going

[1:02:18] >> He wants to in here right in the back

[1:02:20] the garage.

[1:02:21] >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like

[1:02:24] >> Oh, and what is what is all the way

[1:02:27] behind it? Is there anything behind?

[1:02:29] >> Mm-m.

[1:02:29] >> No, they're probably landing troops,

[1:02:30] right? Right here.

[1:02:31] >> Yeah,

[1:02:32] >> here.

[1:02:33] >> And it's going to be like 6 ft off the

[1:02:35] back. I was going to go at least 6 ft

[1:02:38] just so I make sure I'm

[1:02:39] >> within six and six. I'm going to go 10

[1:02:42] >> six and it'll be 10 off the side cuz I'm

[1:02:45] going to go the exact uh sight line with

[1:02:46] the garage.

[1:02:48] >> Yeah, as long as I like

[1:02:51] it's going to be matches the garage.

[1:02:54] >> I mean, and that up into Rosary Edition

[1:02:56] and there's

[1:02:57] >> Yeah, that's backyard backyard. That's nowhere.

[1:03:02] >> That's pretty good.

[1:03:05] >> [clears throat]

[1:03:07] >> Yeah. With where it is, it shouldn't be

[1:03:08] visible from the other street either.

[1:03:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of hidden from

[1:03:12] everything.

[1:03:12] >> Yeah.

[1:03:13] >> And and no alley, you know,

[1:03:15] [clears throat] so just

[1:03:17] >> Yeah.

[1:03:18] >> So, we're going to get it about the time

[1:03:20] like you said. [laughter]

[1:03:22] >> I didn't make a motion before you even

[1:03:24] >> You want to You go right ahead.

[1:03:29] » Yeah. See the way the other

[1:03:30] >> It's in that bottom corner.

[1:03:34] >> Right in there. Oh, right on. Yeah. All

[1:03:36] right. Yeah. Okay.

[1:03:39] >> Well, I will make a motion to approve as

[1:03:43] >> Oh, okay. Well, I will second.

[1:03:44] >> Okay. [laughter]

[1:03:46] >> I have a motion and a second to approve

[1:03:49] the shed addition in the backyard at 373

[1:03:54] South Fourth Street. All in favor?

[1:03:57] >> I. Any opposed?

[1:04:00] >> Nice have it.

[1:04:01] >> Well, thank you for hanging with us. Do

[1:04:04] you need this or can you

[1:04:05] >> Do you want to keep?

[1:04:06] >> Uh yeah, let me hang Let me hang on to

[1:04:08] it. You'll get you'll get a copy with

[1:04:10] your with that when we issue the permit.

[1:04:13] I

[1:04:13] >> need to keep all that.

[1:04:13] >> So, we'll be on on the permit for it

[1:04:15] tomorrow. So,

[1:04:17] >> uh we'll give you a call when we have it

[1:04:18] ready. It's a matter of doing the paper.

[1:04:20] >> Just run on down here and grab it.

[1:04:22] >> Yep. It's a matter of doing the

[1:04:22] paperwork.

[1:04:23] >> Can my father-in-law pick it up?

[1:04:25] >> Anybody can pick it up.

[1:04:26] >> Okay, great. Yep.

[1:04:27] >> Cuz he he's at home and I I work 30

[1:04:29] days.

[1:04:29] >> Okay. And the fee is $35 for the permit.

[1:04:33] No problem. So, just pray when we come

[1:04:35] pick it up.

[1:04:35] >> Yep. Yeah. If you give me at least try

[1:04:38] and give me till noon if you can. Sure.

[1:04:40] >> That way give me time to get the

[1:04:42] paperwork done.

[1:04:42] >> Oh, sure. No, no problem at all.

[1:04:44] >> All right. Thank you, sir.

[1:04:47] >> Thank you.

[1:04:47] >> You too.

[1:04:49] >> Is there a way uh Steve I think you

[1:04:53] talked with Steve? Is there a way that

[1:04:54] he can call one of you guys or all of

[1:04:56] you guys to kind of just hear why he got

[1:04:58] denied

[1:05:00] >> or is there like a statement that you

[1:05:02] guys will be sending him of why it got

[1:05:04] denied?

[1:05:04] >> I mean,

[1:05:05] >> yeah, it'll

[1:05:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll do a we'll do a a kind

[1:05:09] of a letter, if you will, stating why it was denied.

[1:05:12] >> Okay.

[1:05:13] >> Y what the motions are.

[1:05:15] >> I guess tomorrow he'll be calling you

[1:05:16] about the porch to see if they want to

[1:05:18] proceed with that.

[1:05:19] >> Okay.

[1:05:19] Is that something that need to be

[1:05:21] like decided tonight or is that

[1:05:23] something that he can call you and kind

[1:05:24] of talk over?

[1:05:25] >> No, they

[1:05:26] >> we've already approved the

[1:05:27] >> Yeah, the porch the porch is approved.

[1:05:31] >> Yeah. And and it has a what a six-month

[1:05:33] time on it, too.

[1:05:34] >> Yeah. So, so once it's approved and you know and you have that in your hand,

[1:05:39] you got 6 months to build it.

[1:05:41] >> So, we're good.

[1:05:42] >> All right. Thank you. Yes.

[1:05:43] >> Thank you.

[1:05:47] » Okay. Are we ready to adjourn? Motion to

[1:05:50] adjurnn.

[1:05:51] >> I think I have a motion and a second to

[1:05:53] adjurnn. Oh,

[1:05:55] >> all in favor? Yoinks.

Ste. Genevieve, (Mo, USA) Heritage Commission Meeting, September 21, 2026

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