[0:00] tonight's meeting to order. If you would

[0:02] please stand and join me in the pledge.

[0:06] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

[0:08] United States of America and to the

[0:11] republic for which it stands, one nation

[0:14] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[0:16] justice for all.

[0:22] » Uh [clears throat] Pam, would you do a

[0:23] roll call, please?

[0:25] >> Mayor time

[0:25] >> here.

[0:26] >> Alderwoman D. Alderman Fehey, Alderman

[0:30] Donovan

[0:31] >> here,

[0:31] >> Alderman Huey

[0:32] >> here.

[0:33] >> Alderman Idman

[0:34] >> here.

[0:35] >> Alderman Ross. Alderman Prince

[0:37] >> here.

[0:38] >> Alderman Stiger

[0:39] >> here.

[0:39] >> Mayor, we have a quorum.

[0:41] >> Thank you very much. At this time, we

[0:43] will look for approval of tonight's

[0:44] agenda.

[0:45] >> Motion to approve.

[0:46] >> Second.

[0:47] >> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in

[0:50] favor?

[0:51] >> Any opposed?

[0:53] Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, no

[0:55] presentations or awards tonight. Um,

[0:59] don't see Jamie Inman from Jer Fett, so

[1:03] we may just bring her back at a later

[1:05] date.

[1:08] So, we will move along tonight to our

[1:10] city administrator's report. Thank you,

[1:12] mayor.

[1:14] Good evening, everyone. Uh, you do have

[1:16] an updated report as you're seeing quite

[1:18] a bit. I apologize, but uh I prepped

[1:20] this report last Tuesday and then uh had

[1:23] to make some uh amendments. Uh on number

[1:26] one there, you'll see I had put the

[1:28] replacement of the concrete street would

[1:29] begin this week. That's actually next

[1:31] week. They're finishing up a couple of

[1:33] service lines. I was out there today. Uh

[1:35] they'll start tearing out concrete and

[1:37] putting in the new street next week.

[1:40] Um number two, I wanted if you haven't

[1:44] driven by, there's obviously a lot of

[1:46] dirt work and grading going on at the

[1:47] new subdivision site. Uh but I wanted to

[1:50] clarify something cuz we've been talking

[1:51] about groundbreaking and grand opening.

[1:54] So, I got a clarification from McBride.

[1:56] The groundbreaking will be Wednesday,

[1:58] October 14th at 10:00 a.m.

[2:02] The grand opening for sales, even though

[2:04] sales will actually be open October 2nd,

[2:07] uh the grand opening for the sales team

[2:09] will be Saturday, October 24th. So, two

[2:12] different events, certainly not required

[2:14] or needed or to be at the grand opening,

[2:18] but the groundbreaking um I know they'll

[2:20] be sending out invites. I'm sure you'll

[2:22] all receive one.

[2:25] Uh down to number four. I did want to

[2:27] tell you that the we posted a new survey

[2:29] on the website to get some feedback on

[2:31] the proposed splash pad uh to go in

[2:34] Parquette Park. I posted that last

[2:37] Tuesday. I have nearly 800 responses

[2:40] already. So, I'll get those numbers to

[2:43] you. It's

[2:43] >> dang

[2:44] >> through October 14th, but uh a lot of

[2:46] people responding to that survey.

[2:48] >> You said 800. nearly 800. Yeah.

[2:53] Uh I'm going to draw your attention down

[2:55] to number 10. Uh related to number four,

[2:59] I have a received a letter of intent

[3:02] from a third organization, the Spring

[3:04] for Down Syndrome and Challenger Sports

[3:06] Group. So that's Chip Marzuko's

[3:08] committee. They have committed to

[3:10] donating another 25,000 to the Splash

[3:12] Pads. So the donations are now up to

[3:14] 75,000.

[3:15] >> Excellent.

[3:16] >> That's great.

[3:16] Um, I'm working with the

[3:19] RPC and Nick and Mary Dunzy to prepare

[3:22] that land and water conservation fund

[3:25] grant. So, right now we're at, you know,

[3:27] with the city's commitment and the

[3:29] organizations at 175,000. I'm looking

[3:32] for another 25,000. That'll be 200.

[3:35] We'll apply for 200. Uh, and that will

[3:37] be 400,000.

[3:39] So,

[3:41] um, down to number five. I want to let

[3:45] you know, if you remember, we moved our

[3:46] meetings. I'll be out at the Missouri

[3:48] Public Utilities Alliance Conference in

[3:51] Branson, October 7th through the 9th.

[3:52] Cory will also be attending with me.

[3:56] And then I'm going to go through the

[3:57] updates down there. Bowman's will be

[4:00] starting the milling and paving work

[4:01] next week on Lehei, North 6, North

[4:03] Thirdr, Ziegler, and Division. Um so

[4:06] that work, they'll actually probably be

[4:07] there tomorrow cleaning the streets. Uh

[4:10] maybe doing some saw cutting and

[4:11] prepping for the work next week.

[4:15] um each of our October work sessions.

[4:17] So, if you remember part of the budget

[4:18] process, we talked about economic

[4:20] development dollars um and the

[4:22] organizations that we were budgeting

[4:23] money for. So, those organizations were

[4:26] invited back. Uh we'll have Prosperity

[4:28] St. Jen here on the 15th work session

[4:31] and the Chamber of Commerce on the 29th

[4:33] work session to go through kind of our

[4:35] expectations for that money that's in

[4:37] the budget for them.

[4:40] Um, and then last but not least down at

[4:42] the bottom, I don't usually do this and

[4:43] I hope I I don't miss anything, but I

[4:45] wanted to point out there are a ton of

[4:47] items going on in town this weekend. So,

[4:49] if you have the ability to go downtown

[4:51] and visit, uh, please do so. Friday is

[4:54] the uh, St. Jen homecoming parade. Also,

[4:56] the fourth Friday art walk. Saturday is

[4:59] October Fest. Uh, that's on Merchant

[5:01] Street. The rally car show that's down

[5:04] at the Moses Austin property. and the

[5:06] trail and trous national public lands

[5:08] day that's out at the levy. Not to

[5:10] mention there are also multiple events

[5:12] going on in the county this weekend. So,

[5:14] lots going on this weekend.

[5:18] That's all I have.

[5:20] Dave, on uh number three on Crestland

[5:23] Cemetery expansion,

[5:25] um looks like there's still more dirt to

[5:28] be moved, I guess.

[5:30] >> I don't think so. I think all the dirt

[5:32] that's going there is there.

[5:34] [clears throat]

[5:36] So, what's the work? It's got to be all

[5:38] the way to the end of October, November.

[5:40] >> Well, they still have to pave the road,

[5:42] plant trees, seeds, straw. Yeah.

[5:45] [clears throat]

[5:49] » It It could take 2 weeks, but

[5:53] >> Is that covert pipe still exposed out

[5:55] there?

[5:56] >> The culvert pipe that was exposed

[5:58] underneath our existing road between our

[6:00] cemetery and the Catholic cemetery is

[6:03] extended. So, it's now exposed much

[6:05] further down though.

[6:12] » Oh, just wanted to thank you for the

[6:15] project on Chadwell Lane. The concrete

[6:17] spillway through there will uh uh keep a

[6:20] lot of tires from getting, you know,

[6:23] busted and stuff and all the rock and

[6:25] stuff, but it's looks nice. That was a

[6:28] combination of Corey and I putting our

[6:30] heads together and trying to uh come up

[6:33] with a plan to, if you haven't been by

[6:34] Chadwell, divert water from crossing the

[6:38] street in a couple spots, which gets

[6:39] very icy sometimes, [clears throat]

[6:41] uh down to the culvert uh that runs

[6:44] under uh Jack Donsy's driveway and then

[6:47] into the creek instead of crossing the

[6:49] street.

[6:49] >> Yeah. Nice.

[6:52] Any

[6:55] other questions for Dave regarding his

[6:57] report?

[6:59] Okay, thank you very much.

[7:02] Hey Jamie, uh we'll backtrack a little

[7:04] bit and bring you up and have you talk

[7:06] about your effect. No, you're great.

[7:08] >> Baking meatloaf as we speak. [laughter]

[7:11] Well, um, so basically the only thing

[7:14] that I really have to report is we had

[7:16] 175 crafters, about 230 booths, and then

[7:19] about 19 to 21 food vendors and alcohol

[7:22] vendors. Um, I mean, it went well. I

[7:26] know everybody or not everybody, but a

[7:28] lot of people want to know why it can't

[7:29] be moved. It just can't. It's 58 years.

[7:32] It's in August. All the crafters have a

[7:34] schedule to go through. All the food

[7:36] vendors know. I mean, I don't know. have

[7:39] a jeret in September and start a

[7:41] different one in a sep or in October and

[7:43] September. You're going to have weather

[7:45] in October. It could be cold. It could

[7:47] be rainy. It could be anything.

[7:48] Everybody knows it's going to be hot in

[7:50] August. It's been going on 58 years. I

[7:53] have committed to the 60th anniversary,

[7:55] which is 2 years from now. I am on my

[7:57] 16th year of Jeret. Um, it's always been

[8:01] fun and it's always been nice to do. The

[8:05] last few years have not been. [laughter]

[8:07] So, I am committed to the 60th

[8:09] anniversary because I promised people

[8:12] that are on the board, but anybody that

[8:13] wants to get involved needs to get

[8:15] involved. I know it sounds like 2 years,

[8:17] but Zer Fett will be here and then the

[8:19] next one is the 60th. So, unless

[8:22] something changes

[8:24] in the community between now and then, I

[8:26] am

[8:28] probably done. Yeah. So, it is what it

[8:32] is. Yeah. And I think people need to

[8:34] remember that we're a nonprofit

[8:36] organization, too. not just everybody

[8:38] else. And first and foremost, when I

[8:40] started to be the president 16 years

[8:42] ago, that was our top priority. The St.

[8:45] Genevieve community, the downtown

[8:47] businesses, and there's a lot of other

[8:50] craft shows that happen in other towns,

[8:52] and they make the businesses pay for a

[8:54] spot to bring their stuff out. We have

[8:55] never We want it to be about St. Genevie

[8:59] first and foremost. Then it is about the

[9:01] crafters because it is a craft show. And

[9:04] then after that, then it's everything

[9:06] else. But we have always done that. And

[9:09] I feel that something has switched in

[9:12] the community. And I think people have

[9:14] forgot that we're a nonprofit. We take

[9:16] care of that property down there. We

[9:18] have to get it mowed. That costs us

[9:20] money. We have a very thin budget. If

[9:22] something would happen, Jere would cease

[9:25] to exist. It costs us about $25 to

[9:27] $30,000 to put on jerif. We pay for our

[9:31] insurance. We pay for all of our

[9:33] advertising. We do get help from the

[9:35] city workers. Always do our trash cans,

[9:37] put them out. We make multiple donations

[9:40] to different organizations, both Boy

[9:42] Scouts, um, St. Agnes School, they have

[9:45] taken over our trash. Before that, it

[9:47] was Kinsey Fire Department since, I

[9:49] don't know, probably the 70s. They've

[9:51] been taking care of trash. And since

[9:52] things happened with taxes, I don't know

[9:54] anything about that or whatever, they

[9:56] could not take donations. So, um, St.

[9:58] Agnes has stepped up. uh Bloomsdale PTO

[10:01] has stepped up and we give everybody a

[10:04] donation that helps us and we maintain

[10:07] all those electric poles that are in St.

[10:09] Genevie and we let everybody use them

[10:11] for free. We let everybody use our

[10:13] property for free and there are lots of

[10:16] people that go down there and take

[10:16] pictures on the bridge and in 16 years

[10:19] that bridge has been taken out three

[10:21] times [laughter] and I have had to do

[10:23] the paperwork. I don't know when that

[10:24] started. people stop taking care of

[10:26] their insurance when they destroy other

[10:28] people's property. But whatever. Um

[10:30] we're still waiting for this third and

[10:31] final destruction of the bridge to get

[10:34] paid by the person who did that and

[10:36] their insurance company. And um we put

[10:39] $10,000 into that bridge last year of

[10:41] our own fet money and then it got burned

[10:44] and now we're waiting to get to that

[10:46] taken care of. We did pay that out of

[10:48] our pocket too this year waiting to get

[10:50] reimbursed for that and whether or not

[10:52] that happens I do not know yet.

[10:54] But we do do a lot of work and there are

[10:58] only a handful of us that do it and put

[11:00] on Jeret and I'm always proud that we

[11:02] can do that. But the proud of some of

[11:07] the organizations and some of the

[11:09] nonprofits and the things that have

[11:10] happened in the last couple years. It's

[11:12] just doesn't feel like it's that much

[11:14] community anymore. I think some people

[11:16] are taking it on. I and I understand

[11:19] everybody's struggling. Everybody needs

[11:21] help. Everybody is struggling. But I

[11:23] think they have to remember that we are

[11:25] nonprofit, too, and that we do a lot to

[11:28] make sure that this thing goes off

[11:30] without anybody really having to worry

[11:33] about it. I mean, I don't think the

[11:35] city's ever really had to, you know what

[11:36] I mean, ever really had to worry that

[11:38] something was going to happen. We have

[11:39] our own insurance, you know, and we do

[11:41] all of that stuff, but we always get

[11:43] help from the city workers and they're

[11:44] always fabulous. And if I call whoever

[11:46] is the city administrator, they've

[11:48] always just been very good to us. So,

[11:51] it's not really, you know, about that.

[11:52] Everybody has always helped and we're

[11:54] always very thankful for that. So,

[11:57] >> yeah. Does anybody have any questions?

[12:00] >> You're all volunteers. You don't have

[12:01] any paid staff.

[12:03] >> No, we do not have any paid staff. No.

[12:05] it's all volunteer. Yep. Yep. And

[12:09] all of us that volunteer all have

[12:10] full-time and then some jobs and

[12:13] full-time and then some lives that go

[12:15] along with that. And for the most part,

[12:17] like I said, it's always been very good.

[12:20] I just um it's just, you know, in the

[12:23] last couple years, it's just gotten

[12:24] hard. So, you know, it is what it is.

[12:28] >> Well, we thank you and your committee

[12:29] for another wonderful

[12:30] >> Does anybody want to have any questions

[12:32] or want to know anything about Zer Fett?

[12:35] And we are having our first meeting back

[12:37] after Jera Fett. We kind of take

[12:39] September off to

[12:41] >> breathe. So, our first meeting is the

[12:43] first Monday in October. I think it's

[12:45] the fifth or the 3rd or somebody help

[12:47] me.

[12:48] >> Fifth.

[12:49] >> Somebody do the math. The fifth. Okay.

[12:50] And it will be at the Cafe Genevieve and

[12:53] they usually start at 5:30. If we're

[12:55] going to do a different time, one of the

[12:56] girls will post it on our Facebook, but

[12:58] it's usually by 5:30. And anybody can

[13:00] come. If you have any questions or you

[13:02] just want to, you know, see what's going

[13:04] on or if you're interested in hopping in

[13:07] and helping, you can do that, too.

[13:10] So, anybody else?

[13:13] >> [clears throat]

[13:13] >> Thank you so much. All right.

[13:14] >> Appreciate it. Thanks. See you

[13:20] running.

[13:21] >> Right back to the kitchen. There she

[13:23] goes.

[13:25] All righty. Glad Jamie could make it.

[13:27] Appreciate all of her uh her work and

[13:29] her committee's work on another great

[13:31] event. I look forward to next year. Uh

[13:34] move along to staff reports tonight.

[13:36] First up, we've got Erica. You standing

[13:38] in?

[13:39] >> Yes, sir.

[13:40] >> All right.

[13:42] Good evening everyone. I will try my

[13:45] best to answer any questions about

[13:47] Corey's report, but he did have a couple

[13:50] items he specifically wanted to to pass

[13:52] along, which he already touched on the

[13:54] Chadwell

[13:56] um gutter. He indicated that he's going

[13:58] to finish up the work on that ditch in

[14:01] the next week or two. So, more to come

[14:03] on that and get that totally buttoned

[14:04] up. Uh he said that the Valley Springs

[14:06] concrete is complete. And then also um

[14:09] the big one was the the tie-in at 8th

[14:12] and Ridgeway is complete. So that

[14:14] transite line is abandoned out of

[14:17] service [snorts]

[14:21] [clears throat]

[14:29] questions.

[14:31] [clears throat] All right.

[14:32] >> Thank you.

[14:33] >> Got off easy tonight.

[14:36] Thank you, Erica.

[14:38] And then next up tonight we have

[14:39] Lieutenant Pollock

[14:42] standing in for Chief Al.

[14:45] Good evening everybody. You guys have a

[14:47] copy of our report in front of you if

[14:49] you have any questions.

[14:53] [clears throat]

[14:59] » I think last week

[15:02] come you had a new hire coming on.

[15:05] >> Yeah. is they're they're on board.

[15:07] >> They're on board.

[15:08] >> So, your full staff then?

[15:10] >> No, we're still we're still pending one

[15:12] more.

[15:14] >> Out of those 278 warnings, [snorts] um

[15:18] do you attract like UTVs and vehicles

[15:21] differently or they're all just

[15:22] warnings?

[15:23] >> If it's traffic related, just you know,

[15:25] automobiles, just vehicles.

[15:27] >> Yeah.

[15:29] noticed several uh

[15:32] fast UTVs around and no signal lights

[15:35] and stuff like that. But

[15:41] yeah, if if there's if they're stopped

[15:42] by one of our officers, it's counted as

[15:44] a traffic stop, you know, and whether

[15:46] it's a warning or citation, it's all the

[15:49] same.

[15:52] Any

[15:55] other questions,

[15:57] comments?

[16:00] Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.

[16:05] At this time, we will open up the floor

[16:07] to public comment. Just a reminder to

[16:09] please state your name for the record

[16:12] and keep your comments to 5 minutes or

[16:14] less.

[16:23] Okay, there's no public comment tonight.

[16:25] We will move along. Uh we do have a

[16:28] public hearing tonight. Uh the mayor and

[16:30] board of aldermen will hold a public

[16:32] hearing to consider a request from Lee

[16:34] Boak for a special use permit to operate

[16:37] a guest lodging establishment Airbnb at

[16:40] 6 Herszog Lane and an R1 single family

[16:44] residential district. We will open up

[16:45] this public hearing at 6:17.

[16:49] [clears throat]

[16:53] » Good evening, mayor, alderwoman, and

[16:55] alderman. Uh, as the mayor just

[16:57] mentioned, uh, the request for the

[16:58] special use permit before you tonight uh

[17:01] is going to be for a lodging

[17:03] establishment at a single family

[17:05] residence [clears throat] um, located at

[17:07] Hick 6 Herszog Lane. Uh, that property

[17:10] is located in R1 general residential

[17:12] district. Um it's a 3acre piece of

[17:15] property, actually a little bit more

[17:16] than 3 acres. Um so that property is

[17:19] located at the end of Horus Lane is not

[17:22] even a city street. It's located at the

[17:25] end of that street. Um plenty of

[17:28] parking, meets all the requirements uh

[17:31] that's required for uh under the special

[17:34] use permit for an Airbnb. Uh property's

[17:37] not located in a flood zone. Um, and it meets uh all the other requirements

[17:45] as far as signage. They don't have any

[17:46] signage. It's not allowed when you uh do

[17:48] this in an R1 zoning district. Um I

[17:51] think Lee is here. Yep. So Lee is here.

[17:54] if you have any questions for her. Um,

[17:58] this went through planning and zoning um

[18:02] on September 3rd and um you guys have in

[18:05] your should have in your packet there um

[18:07] their approval. Um so they voted

[18:10] unanimously uh to approve it and pass it

[18:13] along uh to you guys tonight. Um also I

[18:16] had uh chief of police and uh the fire

[18:19] chief look at this as well and they both

[18:21] have given their approval. Um the

[18:24] adjoining property owners were all

[18:26] notified uh via mail as per the

[18:28] requirements and um this was also posted

[18:32] uh in our uh local paper uh as per

[18:34] requirements for the meeting here

[18:36] tonight. Does anyone have any questions

[18:38] for me or Fly?

[18:42] » I have one. There's been some issues

[18:45] around in that neighborhood with just

[18:48] sloppy housekeeping, you know, and with

[18:50] that not being a city street. Um, do we

[18:53] have the same ability to police that

[18:56] area? And

[18:57] >> well, so one of the properties that

[18:59] you're referring to, uh, we've, uh,

[19:01] between me and the police department,

[19:03] um, especially related to a lot of the

[19:05] vehicles and some trash in that area,

[19:07] uh, have been dealing with those folks

[19:09] cuz the actual prop that actual

[19:10] property, uh, actually doesn't front.

[19:13] You can get there off this street, but

[19:15] they have an easement, but their main

[19:18] access is not off of that street. So,

[19:21] uh, but yes, we have, as far as parking

[19:23] in there,

[19:25] it's an easement, so we can't really,

[19:27] you know, if they were parking in that,

[19:29] we can't really get them for parking on

[19:30] the street. I'll leave that for the

[19:32] police department to decide. But, um, as

[19:35] far as any other violations, they're

[19:37] we're dealing those just like we deal

[19:39] with everybody else. So,

[19:40] >> so whether it's a city street or not, it

[19:42] makes no difference.

[19:43] >> Correct.

[19:44] cuz there's another one up there off

[19:46] that lane that's starting to look pretty

[19:48] uh bad.

[19:50] >> Yeah. And we we actually uh the owners

[19:53] uh of this property and I have discussed

[19:55] that as well and some others from that

[19:56] area have have called. So uh that's on

[19:59] our list. It's on your guys' board I

[20:01] think too. So um we are addressing those

[20:04] situations.

[20:06] Any

[20:10] uh questions, comments from the board

[20:11] regarding uh the request?

[20:18] Okay. Any comment from the public

[20:20] regarding the request?

[20:24] Okay. If not, I will go ahead and close

[20:26] the public hearing at 6:21.

[20:29] Thank you very much, Robert. Uh we'll

[20:32] also have a second public hearing. This

[20:34] is uh the mayor and board of alderman

[20:35] will hold a public hearing to consider

[20:37] the approval of a subdivision plat

[20:39] identified as progress point plat 1.

[20:42] This is plat cabinet C pages 549 through

[20:45] 556 located in US survey 3253

[20:49] [clears throat] township 38 north range

[20:50] 9 east of the uh the fifth principal

[20:53] meridian city of St. Genevie St. Genevie

[20:55] County. We will open that public hearing

[20:58] at 6:21.

[21:00] Um so um this this plat uh as you as you

[21:04] all know we've been working on this

[21:05] project long before I even came here. Um

[21:08] so this is just the culmination of uh

[21:11] all the work that has been done up until

[21:14] now. Um and as uh the city administrator

[21:17] mentioned earlier uh in this meeting

[21:20] that all the dirt work and everything

[21:22] that's going on out there, they're

[21:23] getting to a point where um that's

[21:27] getting toward the end. So, what this

[21:29] plat does is it takes um I don't know if

[21:32] you you all remember the previous plat

[21:34] that was before you um which you read

[21:36] the name of it there um actually takes

[21:40] the city dividing it up into seven lots.

[21:42] Now it's going to be divided into the

[21:44] 137 individual home lots plus the common

[21:47] grounds. So that's what this plat does.

[21:50] So, uh, and also within that, it sets

[21:53] the street lines, the street names,

[21:57] um, where all the utilities are going to

[21:58] go, the utility easements. That's all

[22:00] set based off this plat. Um, and then

[22:03] that also gives u us the ability to move

[22:06] forward with bringing in all the

[22:09] retainage for the infrastructure

[22:11] improvements. Um, and that's what this

[22:14] plant will do. And it allow them to go

[22:16] ahead and start ordering the materials

[22:17] for that. um there's quite a material

[22:20] lag time, so they want to get that going

[22:23] as soon as possible. Um so once this is

[22:25] recorded and we receive all the uh fees

[22:29] that that go along with this, then

[22:31] they'll be able to order those materials

[22:32] and get them here as soon as possible.

[22:34] Um so that's why uh we're asking for you

[22:37] to approve that. It's uh also went

[22:39] through PNZ. Um PNZ approved it uh

[22:43] unanimously to forward to you guys

[22:45] tonight. and it has also been posted in

[22:48] the paper uh as well for the

[22:50] requirements.

[22:53] >> Excellent.

[22:57] » Any questions from the board?

[23:03] » Okay. Any comment or questions from the

[23:05] public?

[23:08] Okay. If there are no further questions

[23:10] or comments, we will close that public

[23:11] hearing at 6:23. Thank you.

[23:13] >> Thank you very much, Robert.

[23:17] That will take us to tonight's consent

[23:19] agenda.

[23:21] >> Motion to approve. Second. Okay, I have

[23:25] a motion and a second. All in favor?

[23:28] >> I

[23:31] » Okay, any opposed?

[23:33] All right, thank you very much. Uh take

[23:35] us to some old business tonight. Uh we

[23:37] have uh scheduled two readings of this.

[23:40] Uh this will be a first reading of bill

[23:42] number 4738.

[23:45] This is an ordinance authorizing the

[23:46] city of St. Genevie, Missouri to enter

[23:48] into a contract with Meuire Iron

[23:51] Incorporated for emergency repairs and

[23:53] improvements to the city's on-site water

[23:56] tank. I just want to point out that at

[23:58] your seat also was an additional

[23:59] document. It's the reported emergency

[24:01] purchase, which lines out the reasons

[24:03] why we're doing this emergency purchase.

[24:08] Motion to approve. Second.

[24:10] >> Okay. I still didn't see the term

[24:12] disinfected

[24:14] of the tank once they're done. I mean, I

[24:15] know they're painting it inside and out,

[24:17] but that's still kind of a pretty

[24:19] critical.

[24:22] It says tank. Oh, that's the exclusions

[24:25] part. So, we'll have to either do that

[24:28] or contract it oursel. I don't know,

[24:29] Erica, if you know the answer to that

[24:31] one or not.

[24:32] >> I'm not sure what the question is.

[24:35] >> Part of the contract with Meguire

[24:36] doesn't include disinfection at the end

[24:38] of the painting process.

[24:40] Um, but I know we've hired people to do

[24:42] that before.

[24:46] » We'll get it figured out.

[24:47] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[24:48] >> Because I know in the original contract

[24:49] they said there was no disinfecting of

[24:54] the thing and stuff. So,

[24:55] >> they're going to be disinfecting the

[24:56] inside.

[25:03] You see it on the front page of the

[25:05] contract.

[25:13] » [clears throat]

[25:14] >> This is interior wet disinfection.

[25:17] >> That's what I mean. Sanitary.

[25:22] [clears throat]

[25:23] >> Yeah, that's what he's talking about.

[25:25] >> Now you're under contract.

[25:27] >> The exclusions under tank disinfection,

[25:28] which is what I thought you were asking

[25:30] about, involve the aluminum dome or

[25:32] steel, I'm sorry, the dome that will be

[25:35] built and installed.

[25:38] But the interior wet part that holds the

[25:41] water, this includes disinfection.

[25:44] [clears throat]

[25:46] >> Okay.

[25:48] I do believe I have a motion and a

[25:50] second on the floor. All in favor?

[25:53] >> I.

[25:53] >> Any opposed? [clears throat]

[25:56] >> Motion for a second reading.

[25:57] >> Okay.

[26:00] >> Second.

[26:01] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second for a

[26:04] second reading of bill number 4738. All

[26:06] in favor?

[26:07] >> I.

[26:08] >> Any opposed?

[26:10] >> Okay.

[26:14] » This will be a second reading of bill

[26:16] number 4738. This is an ordinance

[26:18] authorizing the city of St. Genevie,

[26:20] Missouri to enter into a contract with

[26:22] Meguire Iron Incorporated for emergency

[26:25] repairs and improvements to the city's

[26:26] on-site water tank.

[26:28] >> Motion to approve. Second.

[26:30] >> Second.

[26:31] >> We have a motion and a second. Pam,

[26:33] would you do a roll call, please?

[26:34] Alderman Stiger,

[26:35] >> yes.

[26:36] >> Alderman Prince,

[26:37] >> yes. [clears throat]

[26:38] >> Alderman Einman,

[26:39] >> yes.

[26:40] >> Alderman Huey,

[26:41] >> yes.

[26:42] >> Alderman Donovan,

[26:43] >> yes.

[26:44] >> Alderwoman Dobs,

[26:45] >> yeah.

[26:46] >> Six just zero. No, two absent. Bill

[26:48] number 4738 now becomes ordinance number

[26:51] 4659.

[26:53] >> Thank you very much.

[26:56] >> Next up tonight is the second reading of

[26:57] bill number 4739. This is an ordinance

[27:00] authorizing the mayor to enter into and

[27:02] execute a professional operating

[27:04] services and management agreement with

[27:06] Alliance Water Resources Incorporated, a

[27:08] Missouri corporation. Motion

[27:10] >> to approve. I'll second it then.

[27:14] Have a motion and a second. Any

[27:16] discussion? Okay. Pam, would you do a

[27:19] roll call, please?

[27:20] >> Alderwoman Dobs.

[27:21] >> Yes.

[27:21] >> Alderman Donovan?

[27:22] >> Yes.

[27:23] >> Alderman Huey?

[27:24] >> Yes.

[27:24] >> Alderman Stiger?

[27:25] >> Yes.

[27:25] >> Alderman Prince?

[27:26] >> Yes.

[27:27] >> Alderman Nman?

[27:28] >> Yes.

[27:28] >> Six? Yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

[27:31] number 4739,

[27:34] now [clears throat] is ordinance 4660.

[27:37] >> Thank you very much. That'll take us to

[27:40] a second reading of bill number 4740.

[27:43] This is an ordinance of the board of

[27:44] alderman of the city of St. Genevie,

[27:46] Missouri, adopting the annual budget for

[27:48] fiscal year 2027 and approving an

[27:50] effective date.

[27:53] >> Motion to approve.

[27:54] >> Second.

[27:57] Okay, I have a motion and a second. Pam,

[27:59] would you do a roll call, please?

[28:00] >> Alderman Hwie,

[28:02] >> yes.

[28:02] >> Alderman,

[28:03] >> yes.

[28:03] >> Alderman Donovan,

[28:04] >> yes.

[28:05] >> Alderman Prince,

[28:06] >> yes.

[28:06] >> Alderman Stiger,

[28:07] >> yes.

[28:08] >> Alderwoman DS,

[28:09] >> yes.

[28:10] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

[28:12] number 4740 now becomes ordinance 4661.

[28:18] >> Thank you very much. Uh then last in old

[28:22] business tonight, we have a second

[28:23] reading of bill number 4741.

[28:26] This is an ordinance authorizing the

[28:27] mayor to enter into an agreement between

[28:29] the city of St. Genevieve and the St.

[28:31] Genevieve Community Access Television

[28:33] Board, channel 990-91.

[28:36] >> Motion to approve.

[28:37] >> Second.

[28:39] >> We have a motion and a second. Pam,

[28:42] would you do a roll call, please?

[28:43] >> Alderman Donovan,

[28:44] >> yes.

[28:45] >> Alderwoman Dobs,

[28:46] >> yes. Alderman Huey,

[28:48] >> yes. Alderman Prince,

[28:49] >> yes.

[28:50] >> Alderman Stiger,

[28:51] >> yes.

[28:51] >> Alderman,

[28:52] >> yes.

[28:52] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

[28:56] number 4741 now becomes ordinance 4662.

[29:01] >> Thank you very much.

[29:03] Some new business tonight. Uh, first up,

[29:05] we have resolution 2026-56.

[29:08] This is a resolution appointing Rhett

[29:10] Hendrickson to the St. Genevieve

[29:12] Heritage Commission.

[29:14] >> Motion to approve.

[29:16] Second.

[29:18] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

[29:20] in favor?

[29:22] >> Any opposed?

[29:24] >> Okay, thank you very much. Uh, next up

[29:27] is a first reading of bill number 4742.

[29:30] This is an ordinance calling for the

[29:32] general election of officers of the city

[29:34] of St. Genevie, Missouri to be held

[29:36] April 6th, 2027 and providing notice to

[29:39] the general public.

[29:41] >> Motion to approve.

[29:42] >> Second.

[29:46] Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

[29:47] in favor?

[29:48] >> I.

[29:49] >> Any opposed?

[29:52] Thank you very much.

[29:55] Next up is bill number 4743. This is a

[29:58] first reading and this is an ordinance

[29:59] approving a special use permit for Lee

[30:01] Boiaak

[30:03] Lenny Kathy and Michael Herszog senior

[30:05] joint ownership that will allow the

[30:07] operation of a guest lodging business at

[30:09] Six Herzog Lane.

[30:11] >> Motion to approve. Second.

[30:14] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

[30:16] in favor?

[30:18] >> Any opposed?

[30:21] Thank you very much.

[30:24] We have two readings scheduled for this

[30:25] one. If you so choose, uh, this would be

[30:28] a first reading of bill number 4744.

[30:30] This is an ordinance accepting and

[30:31] approving a subdivision plat identified

[30:33] as progress point plat 2.

[30:37] Motion to approve.

[30:39] >> Second.

[30:40] >> Okay. Okay, have a motion and a second.

[30:42] All in favor?

[30:45] >> Any opposed?

[30:47] Thank you.

[30:48] >> Motion for a second reading, please.

[30:55] » Second.

[30:56] >> Discussion.

[30:57] >> Yes, sir.

[30:58] >> Just reason two readings.

[31:00] >> Go ahead.

[31:03] >> Um, so, uh, couple reasons. uh one is uh

[31:06] as I discussed earlier the timeline uh

[31:10] that's involved with getting the

[31:11] material here and by the time that

[31:14] happens um especially since and another

[31:16] reason is we move that uh next our next

[31:19] meeting back a week. So that's another

[31:21] additional week that it'll take to get

[31:24] those materials here. Um so that's uh

[31:26] the main reasons they're requesting that

[31:28] to happen. In addition, uh again, this

[31:31] is just a culmination of everything that you all has been before you guys

[31:35] the whole time. Um we're just uh

[31:38] finalizing those items.

[31:40] >> Thank you.

[31:42] >> I believe there's a motion and a second

[31:44] for a second reading of bill number

[31:46] 4744.

[31:47] All in favor?

[31:49] >> Any opposed?

[31:51] Okay. This will be a second reading of

[31:53] bill number 4744. This is an ordinance

[31:55] accepting and approving a subdivision

[31:57] plat identified as progress point plat

[32:00] 2.

[32:02] >> Motion to approve.

[32:06] » Second.

[32:08] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second. Pam,

[32:10] would you do a roll call, please?

[32:12] >> Alderman,

[32:13] >> yes.

[32:14] >> Alderman Huey,

[32:15] >> yes.

[32:15] >> Alderman Donovan,

[32:16] >> yes.

[32:17] >> Alderwoman Dobs,

[32:18] >> yes.

[32:18] >> Alderman Prince,

[32:19] >> yes.

[32:19] >> Alderman Stiger,

[32:20] >> yes.

[32:21] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

[32:24] number 4745 now become oh bill number

[32:27] 4744 now becomes ordinance 4663.

[32:31] >> Thank you very much. And last up in new

[32:34] business tonight we have a first reading

[32:36] of bill number 4745.

[32:38] This is an ordinance approving a budget

[32:40] amendment to the city of St. Genevie for

[32:42] the fiscal year 2026 budget relating to

[32:44] the various revenue and expenditure

[32:46] increases. Motion to approve. Second.

[32:51] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second. All

[32:54] in favor?

[32:55] >> I.

[32:56] >> Any opposed?

[33:00] Okay. Thank you very much. That will

[33:02] conclude our schedule of business. Any

[33:04] other business to bring forth before the

[33:05] board at this time?

[33:11] Okay.

[33:12] If not, then we will adjourn and move

[33:15] into work session. Thank you all very

[33:17] much.

[33:22] tonight's work session to order.

[33:26] At this time, I'll look for approval of

[33:27] tonight's work session agenda.

[33:30] So move

[33:32] >> second.

[33:32] >> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in

[33:34] favor?

[33:36] >> Any opposed?

[33:38] Okay. Thank you very much. Uh first

[33:39] topic tonight, we're going to discuss

[33:41] some animal control regulations. So, uh,

[33:45] about a month ago, we brought this up

[33:47] under other business and there was some

[33:49] questions, so we decided to bring it

[33:51] back to work session. [clears throat]

[33:54] Um, I believe you have a report at your

[33:55] desk and or sorry, at your seat and

[33:58] Robert's going to go over that staff.

[34:03] Um, so over the past, as my letter says

[34:06] or my report here says, over the past uh

[34:08] several months, the city's received

[34:09] multiple issues um concerning animal

[34:12] control. Um, and I only know about

[34:16] probably a handful of them. Um, I'm sure

[34:18] the police get a lot more that I don't

[34:19] even know [clears throat] about. Um,

[34:21] everything again from animal waste to

[34:24] too many animals at one location and

[34:27] kind of everything in between. Um, so I

[34:29] kind of put together a list of bulleted

[34:31] items here, uh, that I think are

[34:33] probably the most important to address.

[34:36] Um, currently the city, uh, as far as

[34:38] their animal control services, uh, they

[34:41] kind of have a handshake deal with the

[34:42] county. Uh, we greatly appreciate that.

[34:45] Um, but as you can imagine, uh, that

[34:48] gentleman is having to do animal control

[34:50] all over the county. So, if he's on one

[34:53] side of the county and we've got a

[34:55] situation where we've got five or six

[34:57] dogs jumping out the window of a house

[34:59] and running all over the neighborhood,

[35:00] we kind of need somebody to take

[35:03] attention to that in a in a hurry. Um, I

[35:06] oversaw animal control at Crystal City.

[35:10] Um, so I'm well aware of how important

[35:12] it is to get to the scene as soon as

[35:14] possible. A lot of times those issues

[35:16] disappear by the time we arrive. So,

[35:18] it's kind of hard to verify

[35:20] [clears throat] something that can't see

[35:22] when we get there. Um, and those uh

[35:25] sometimes result in people getting bit,

[35:27] hurt, chased, all kinds of things. So,

[35:31] um, with that, um, you [clears throat]

[35:34] know, it's it's kind of hard to do that.

[35:35] We do the best we can with what we got.

[35:37] Um, again, we appreciate the the county

[35:40] and what they do for us. Um, you know,

[35:42] the officers have have done things where

[35:45] they've put animals in vehicles and done

[35:47] the best they can, but um, you know,

[35:49] there's just some you don't want to be

[35:50] putting a an animal that's, uh, going to

[35:53] bite your arm off, uh, in the back of

[35:55] your patrol car, pretty much. So, um,

[35:58] the current current ordrances uh,

[36:00] haven't actually been actively enforced

[36:02] uh, for the kind of the same reasons I

[36:04] mentioned. Um, you know, it's kind of

[36:07] hard to enforce something when, uh, one,

[36:09] we don't have a regulation on how many

[36:11] animals you can actually have. So, if

[36:14] you're allowed to have 20 dogs, you're

[36:16] allowed to have 20 dogs unless it breaks

[36:19] something else in the ordinance.

[36:22] Did you have a question?

[36:22] >> Are we going to address that first one

[36:24] or are we going to go back through the

[36:26] however you want to do?

[36:26] >> Uh, however you want to do it. If you

[36:28] want me to just kind of go through them

[36:29] real quick and then we'll talk about

[36:30] them or we can do one at a time, however

[36:32] you would like.

[36:34] Okay. So, um, so the active enforcement,

[36:38] >> [clears throat]

[36:38] >> um, like I said, we're we're doing the

[36:40] best we can with with what we've got.

[36:42] Um, increasing that enforcement, uh,

[36:45] will result in, um, several things. One,

[36:48] we'll have more detained animals that

[36:50] we're going to have to do something

[36:51] with. And, uh, based on my past

[36:54] experience, uh, trying to find homes for

[36:57] these animals and places to put them

[36:59] when we don't have a facility ourselves

[37:01] creates a real huge problem. So, um,

[37:04] again, the county, I think, is looking

[37:06] at, uh, doing some more with with

[37:08] facilities, but again, um, with what

[37:11] they have to deal with, and if we have

[37:13] situations, there's just not enough

[37:15] room. So, that's something we'll have to

[37:17] address. Um, so the animals also that

[37:21] people keep today, uh, snakes, rodents,

[37:25] herds of all kinds, uh, other than

[37:27] chickens, which are are allowed under

[37:29] certain, uh, conditions here. [snorts]

[37:32] um aren't addressed in the ordinance. Um

[37:34] the only way it addresses it, it's it's

[37:36] if if somebody finds it offensive or

[37:38] disturbing and they're a reasonable

[37:40] person. Well,

[37:43] how do we know whether that really I

[37:46] mean, you're saying that, you know, that

[37:48] guy has a snake over there and I'm

[37:49] disturbed by that and I'm a reasonable

[37:52] person. Well, that's kind of too wide

[37:53] open. So, we need some more regulations

[37:56] uh related to the animals that uh the

[37:59] community wants to have. Uh and again

[38:01] the total numbers uh is a big one. Um

[38:04] that's that's got to be addressed and

[38:06] there's multiple ways to do that. Um, so

[38:09] my recommendation is have a general

[38:12] discussion here tonight about those

[38:13] topics and then uh direct uh staff to

[38:17] put something together uh taking our

[38:19] current ordinance uh into play and then

[38:22] tweaking it uh to how best uh we think

[38:26] it needs to go and we'll present that to

[38:28] you uh based on also with your comments

[38:31] here tonight.

[38:33] So, if we want to address uh the

[38:36] enforcement of it um right off the bat,

[38:39] we we it's the police department mainly

[38:41] that's going to respond to those. Um

[38:43] [clears throat] and Ryan, I guess you

[38:45] can address how uh you guys would handle

[38:48] if you've got a a dog. Let's just do it

[38:50] a dog situation where [clears throat]

[38:52] you know you got five or six dogs and

[38:54] they're running around the neighborhood

[38:55] jumping out of the a house window with

[38:57] nobody around. Um, normally in the past

[39:00] we our officers respond to all animal

[39:02] calls when we're dispatched. I mean,

[39:04] it's just kind of how it goes. For

[39:06] transport, if we have to take one, you

[39:09] know, because they're loose or whatnot,

[39:10] then we do call the county, you know,

[39:12] and the animal control there has been

[39:13] pretty helpful overall. The only thing

[39:16] that we see on our side from on animal

[39:20] control is just the the hours that he

[39:22] works,

[39:22] >> right?

[39:23] >> So, um, I know that they're getting

[39:25] ready to make some changes. Um, I think

[39:27] Mike's retiring and so I'm I'm not too

[39:29] sure if that's going to change with the

[39:31] new guy, but however,

[39:33] um, Monday through Friday we're usually

[39:35] able to get him in here when we need

[39:37] him, you know, and he does do other

[39:39] things in town that we don't do. He

[39:41] >> sets traps and and does, you know, odd

[39:43] other odd things like that to help with

[39:45] that site kind of stuff with people that

[39:47] call. So,

[39:50] >> Robert, I have to uh give the police

[39:52] department a pat on the back as far as

[39:54] their response. I recently had a dog

[39:56] bite on my hand. Was pretty serious. And

[39:58] they responded where they were right

[40:01] there. Y

[40:01] >> and the handling situation handled

[40:03] professionally and the ambulance was

[40:05] there. Everything fell right into place

[40:08] and and Mike came in and took care of

[40:10] the dog, but the whole thing was handled

[40:12] professionally without a hitch. Now all

[40:14] I got to do is get paid. And with that

[40:18] happening, um, you know, or for the

[40:21] ordinance, you know, that dog that bit

[40:24] you should have had a a tag and and a

[40:27] license here registered with the city to

[40:30] prove that it had its rabies

[40:31] vaccinations.

[40:33] And then we would be looking at

[40:35] classifying that animal as possibly a

[40:38] dangerous animal. And there's all kinds

[40:40] of things that have to happen to house a

[40:42] dangerous animal and things like that.

[40:44] So there's further things that need to

[40:46] happen when something like that happens.

[40:48] >> Fortunately, the owner of the dog came

[40:50] forward and everything in place. They

[40:52] just didn't have the tags.

[40:54] >> Excellent.

[40:55] >> But don't we have the ordinance in place

[40:57] as far as the tags and requirements and

[41:00] >> Yes, for that. Yeah,

[41:01] >> the ordinance is there. And a lot of

[41:04] those don't, you know, we don't know

[41:06] they have we don't know they have

[41:07] animals until we're responding to a

[41:10] situation. Um, and I can tell you, you

[41:15] know, we we can put rules and

[41:16] regulations in place, but that's still

[41:18] going to happen to a certain extent. Um,

[41:21] my really my main concern honestly is

[41:25] two things. the number of animals right

[41:28] now, the number of animals, and what are

[41:32] we going to do if the county uh the new

[41:36] guy doesn't carry on like like they have

[41:38] in the past cuz there's nothing, you

[41:40] know, in writing. Uh and then really the

[41:43] other thing is um the number of not

[41:46] number of pets, but the type of pets

[41:49] that are allowed.

[41:53] So, what we're asking for is some

[41:55] feedback because last time we brought

[41:56] this up, there was do we really need to

[41:58] do this? Uh, and I informed you that

[42:00] there was a house here locally that had

[42:02] 19 dogs. So, um, it is

[42:06] >> always

[42:09] it is something that needs to be

[42:10] considered. Do we need to limit the

[42:12] number of animals? I think Robert could

[42:14] probably give you some additional

[42:15] information on multiple municipalities

[42:17] that limit the number of animals. uh

[42:20] animal reasonability. Do you want to

[42:22] tackle that topic as far as he mentioned

[42:24] snakes and things like that? Um and then

[42:27] enforcement. Um I think we'll consider

[42:30] that down the road depending on what

[42:31] happens and we can always I can reach

[42:33] out to the sheriff about an

[42:34] intergovernmental agreement instead of a

[42:36] handshake deal. Uh but they've done a

[42:38] good job. Not knocking that whatsoever.

[42:40] Uh but number of [clears throat] animals

[42:42] and reasonability I think are topics.

[42:45] There's no reason for us to draft an

[42:47] ordinance if you don't want us to. But I

[42:49] can tell you there are citizens out

[42:51] there who would appreciate it.

[42:53] >> I know years ago and alderman prince

[42:55] will remember we tried to limit pitbulls

[42:59] after a pitbull attacked a male person.

[43:02] Uh boy there was just

[43:06] opposition public opposition to that and

[43:08] stuff. So I don't know if I'd want to

[43:10] get into the type of dogs but no

[43:12] >> you know definitely the number because

[43:14] now our ordinance we could have a puppy

[43:15] mill right here in town and have

[43:19] You could and I think Robert could

[43:20] probably share some information with you

[43:22] on uh we could also draft an ordinance

[43:25] that requires if you have over a certain

[43:27] number then you need a kennel license.

[43:29] >> Y yeah

[43:29] >> I don't know if you want to chat about

[43:31] that or the other municipalities.

[43:33] >> Yeah. So so several other municipalities

[43:35] uh most recently one that that that I

[43:37] worked for um if once you got over three

[43:42] animals so at animal number four you had

[43:45] to get a kennel license. Now, that

[43:47] didn't apply to your dog having pups cuz

[43:50] you were given an exemption for the pups

[43:52] for so long. So, um other than that

[43:55] exemption or babies, um you had to get a

[44:00] kennel license or get rid of that

[44:02] animal. Um so, that was done be a

[44:06] special use permit similar to the one

[44:08] that we had here tonight. So, uh, if you

[44:10] want to get a kennel license in a

[44:11] residential neighborhood, um, there was

[44:14] all kinds of rules and regulations that

[44:16] went behind that to things they had to

[44:19] meet for cleanliness and we did

[44:21] inspections and and all kinds of things.

[44:23] Uh, I did two of them while I worked for

[44:25] the city of Crystal City. Um, and both

[44:28] of those went went great. They did well.

[44:31] Uh, because not only a lot of reasons

[44:34] they had a lot of animals is because

[44:35] they were housing them for people when

[44:37] they went out of town.

[44:39] So they were dog sitting or or cat

[44:41] sitting or whatever animals. Some of

[44:43] them had snakes there too. So um that's

[44:46] how we became aware of some of those

[44:48] things and um you know the the neighbors

[44:51] had no issues with that. So uh that went

[44:54] well. Um but as far as the numbers I

[44:57] mean you can get there's some

[44:59] communities that say you know they put

[45:00] it just as a number total three. That's

[45:03] three in a combination. So you can have

[45:05] two cats and a dog. Uh some say, "Well,

[45:08] two cats equal one dog." So, you can go

[45:12] that route. Um it's just all about what we want to do, what the community

[45:16] wants to see.

[45:17] >> So, do we make any distinguish between

[45:19] inside house pets and outside dogs or

[45:22] nothing?

[45:23] >> Not nobody's really done that to to my

[45:25] knowledge. It's if if you've got uh a

[45:30] dog outside or a dog inside, that's two

[45:32] dogs. So, it the number is combined. And

[45:36] I've not worked for any jurisdiction or

[45:40] the research I've done so far, none of

[45:42] them um specify any kind of breeds or

[45:45] anything like that. They don't touch

[45:46] that at all.

[45:47] >> So, how'd that number three seem to work

[45:49] out? Is that

[45:51] >> that worked out pretty well? Um there

[45:53] was uh right before I left, there was a

[45:56] push to try and take it to five. Um, and

[46:00] that's when I kind of mentioned, uh, if

[46:02] we're going to do five, you know,

[46:03] everybody thought that was okay, that

[46:05] number would be okay. Um, again, there's

[46:08] other regulations that they would have

[46:10] to meet. If you went up to five animals,

[46:13] there's still things to protect

[46:14] everybody, like waste and things like

[46:16] that that have to be taken care of. So,

[46:18] if they violate that, then we'll have to

[46:21] deal with that from there. But if we did

[46:24] that five, I recommended we went to the

[46:26] combination deal where, you know, cat so

[46:30] many cats equal a dog, that type of

[46:33] thing. So that kind of controlled that a

[46:35] little bit. I know somebody in my ward

[46:38] has two cats, a dog, and a rabbit,

[46:42] you know, and they're all very well

[46:43] taken care of, very well housed. You

[46:46] know, that would be hard to tell

[46:48] somebody to get rid of.

[46:49] >> Well, so here's the other part of that.

[46:51] So when you change these regulations,

[46:53] that's why it's the tags are important

[46:55] and registering the animals are

[46:57] important because that lets the city

[46:59] know what you have. So any of the

[47:03] ordinances we change related to the

[47:05] number, I would make a suggestion that

[47:09] people that have the animals come and

[47:11] register their animals and then we, you

[47:15] know, we can't if somebody has five dogs

[47:17] and we only or five dogs and we only

[47:18] allow three animals, like you said, it's

[47:21] they're their family. It's going to be

[47:22] hard to get rid of two. So um you know,

[47:26] we'll just have to decide at that point

[47:28] what what we want to do there. But most

[47:31] of them if you reg if you had your

[47:33] animal registered and you had five

[47:35] animals registered right now those five

[47:37] animals stay but once that animal is no

[47:41] longer with us then you're you reduce

[47:45] down every time you don't get to replace

[47:47] that one with another number.

[47:49] >> We have any idea how many animals are

[47:51] registered now in the city?

[47:52] >> I don't have a current count. Pam,

[47:54] [clears throat] would you happen to have

[47:55] any idea?

[47:57] >> Not off the top of my head.

[47:58] >> Okay. It's on one page. Yeah, I'll tell

[48:00] you that.

[48:00] >> It's not many,

[48:01] >> right?

[48:01] >> I'm sure it's not many.

[48:02] >> Right.

[48:03] >> Well, in that scenario that

[48:04] [clears throat] he's talking about, if

[48:05] you got a kennel license,

[48:07] >> you could have the additional animal.

[48:09] >> Correct.

[48:09] >> Yep. Now, with the kennel license, are

[48:11] you would you require an actual kennel

[48:14] to hold these or could they be running

[48:15] in your house or would you have to have

[48:17] a kennel?

[48:17] >> Um, so there we we'd have a required

[48:21] space requirement for them. So, you

[48:24] know, a lot of that's based on so if

[48:26] we're talking dogs, that's based on

[48:27] weight. Um, so the larger dogs take up

[48:31] more space. So, um, and there's

[48:34] statistics out there that cover all

[48:36] that. Um, but yeah, there's going to be

[48:39] a certain space requirement. Do they

[48:40] have to be housed in a kennel? No. Um,

[48:43] the one I was talking about earlier, uh,

[48:46] Crystal City there. Um, essentially it

[48:49] was a a guy and his son and they had a

[48:52] six-bedroom house and they operated that

[48:56] thing out of a six-bedroom house and

[48:58] literally going in their place was

[48:59] spotless. But you wouldn't even know

[49:03] there was animals really living in there

[49:04] except I could see them. So, uh, it's

[49:07] all about how you take care of it. But

[49:09] we would inspect that and also inspect

[49:12] that every year. That would be my

[49:14] recommendation. uh and wouldn't charge

[49:17] them necessarily anything to do that

[49:18] inspection. It's a quick inspection. Uh

[49:21] they get their kennel license to begin

[49:22] with and then they're just re-uped every

[49:24] year. And as long as they're not doing a

[49:26] business, if it's just they're having a

[49:28] kennel because they want to have more

[49:30] than the number of animals, then it's

[49:33] just them having a kennel and it's their

[49:35] own animals. If they're doing it for

[49:36] business, then we're going to have a

[49:37] business license that they have to get

[49:39] as well. You know that one I was telling

[49:43] you about, you know, the two cats, the

[49:44] dog and the rabbit. I don't want to pick

[49:46] on those people. I want to pick on the

[49:48] guy that's got 19 dogs out of his house.

[49:50] So,

[49:51] >> I you know, uh

[49:54] >> I I wouldn't throw numbers out just to say that's what we need to set. It's

[49:58] that's

[49:59] >> No, but I mean that type of person

[50:01] taking care of their animals very well.

[50:03] Yep.

[50:03] >> Uh, personally, I'm not interested in

[50:06] going after that guy, but the guy with

[50:08] the 19 dogs, I I you know, we got to

[50:10] have a clear distinction here between

[50:12] somebody abusing and somebody taking

[50:15] care of. And I know that's hard to do,

[50:17] but I I I don't see this going over very

[50:20] well if we go after somebody with those

[50:23] type of animals and taking care of them

[50:25] and shots and, you know, uh, I'm not

[50:30] sure if that was me. I don't have them

[50:31] [clears throat] all registered. I mean I

[50:32] you were Yeah, that whole kennel thing

[50:35] to do for something like that is a I I

[50:39] don't know that's going to be hard to

[50:40] enforce and impossible to maintain and

[50:44] watch. But

[50:45] >> I I don't want city to get into the

[50:47] subjectivity of whether an animal is

[50:49] being cared for well or not. I think if

[50:51] we want to do this, it needs to be a

[50:53] number. um you know if that number's 3,

[50:55] five or 10 um and we can draft an

[50:59] ordinance and bring it to you or um we

[51:02] can form a committee um if we need to,

[51:04] but it it can't be where we're going in

[51:07] and determining we kind of do that with

[51:09] animal abuse already, but that's in

[51:12] really stark cases. Okay. So, in years

[51:16] past when we uh came up with something

[51:19] for anything, uh we basically said,

[51:22] "Well, let's take a look at what our

[51:24] surrounding communities have." And

[51:26] that's presented to us with a mockup of

[51:29] what we would like to see here based off

[51:32] those. Uh, I mean, [snorts] personally

[51:34] to sit here and talk about all these

[51:36] scenarios of what could happen or this

[51:38] person's got this and this and

[51:41] I mean we're kind of just twiddling our

[51:44] thumbs right now. What I'd like to see

[51:46] is is what others around us have and

[51:50] then what you propose for us to have, we

[51:52] can look at it and then we can tweak and

[51:55] tweak that draft from there. Um, I mean,

[51:58] I'm all [cough] going forward

[52:00] [clears throat] with it. But I want to

[52:02] see, you know, what others are doing and

[52:04] then if we don't like certain things

[52:06] that some of them are doing, we can

[52:08] tweak ours to do that. But, um, let's

[52:11] take a look at what everybody around us

[52:13] is doing and then we can come up with

[52:15] our own to really fine-tune comb it once

[52:19] it's presented. [clears throat] So,

[52:20] >> yep. If if we're talking about, you

[52:24] know, let's five sounds reasonable to

[52:27] me. If you if you just picked the number

[52:29] to start with, five sounds reasonable.

[52:31] Are you going to grandfather in those

[52:32] person that has six then person 19?

[52:35] [clears throat]

[52:36] Well, that's when if so somebody comes

[52:39] in and registers 19, I want to that's

[52:42] where I would be looking at the

[52:44] conditions that they're in

[52:47] because it's going to have to be there's

[52:49] already in our current ordinance

[52:50] regulations to protect uh for for that.

[52:55] Yeah, there's regulations in there to

[52:57] protect for that situation.

[52:59] [clears throat]

[53:00] Not necessarily from the number, but if

[53:02] you have, let's say, 10 dogs or 19 dogs

[53:06] in in a house that's, you know, and

[53:08] their feces are all over the house and

[53:10] everything like that, we have

[53:12] regulations to protect that.

[53:14] >> Would you also take into consideration

[53:16] if it was already deemed the one

[53:17] dangerous dog in that 19 dog household?

[53:22] » How that dog was

[53:24] >> Yeah.

[53:24] >> determined to be dangerous. I mean,

[53:25] there's there's a finding

[53:27] >> of a vicious animal. Well, you have to

[53:30] have a finding. So, that depending on

[53:32] and I'm sorry, I didn't study your

[53:35] thought I was going to skip out of work

[53:36] session tonight. [laughter]

[53:38] Um, but generally, you have a procedure

[53:40] where the board of alderman uh will vote

[53:42] and determine that uh an animal is a

[53:44] vicious animal and and then require

[53:48] conditions uh which usually is to cage

[53:50] them. you have insurance

[53:52] >> uh to have that animal specifically

[53:54] insured against dog bites and other uh

[53:57] restrictions on whenever they're being

[53:59] transported in the residence or in in

[54:01] town or secured uh in in some manner or

[54:05] another it can be quite expensive. But

[54:08] if you have a literally have a vicious

[54:09] dog that has injured um especially if

[54:12] it's injured humans and not not to

[54:14] denigrate you it's also important if

[54:17] they you know dogs are attacking other

[54:20] dogs you neighbor dogs and killing them

[54:21] or hurting them. Uh but there's a

[54:23] process but you have to go through that

[54:25] process and then you can then you can

[54:27] have um a determination and you can have

[54:31] a determination not that you necessarily

[54:33] want to but yet you can have a

[54:35] determination that the dog be put down.

[54:37] you know, if it's truly a vicious

[54:38] animal, you there has to be there is a

[54:42] legal system and a legal mechanism to

[54:44] address those extreme situations. And specifically by state statute, if

[54:49] there is a bite of a human, the state

[54:53] statute requires a 10-day quarantine

[54:54] period. You know, that that the local

[54:57] law enforcement is required to do that.

[55:00] Um, I know a lot of cities don't like to

[55:02] do that or maybe some, especially small

[55:05] ones, don't have the facilities to do

[55:07] it. That's a requirement. Um, whether

[55:09] you have an ordinance on it or not. I'm hearing about the 19 dogs for the

[55:13] first time tonight. I can't imagine

[55:16] there's not a nuisance issue with with the property that has 19 animals,

[55:20] 19 dogs in it, but I don't have any

[55:22] personal knowledge of it. But I would

[55:24] think that there's some other ordinances

[55:25] that maybe can use some enforcement

[55:28] uh on that on that particular property.

[55:31] But I would be reluctant to um enforce a

[55:35] restriction on animals that are already

[55:38] owned and present on the premises,

[55:40] especially if you're going to go to

[55:41] five. Now, you know, some cities will

[55:43] have total of five as defined animals.

[55:47] So, you have, you know, maybe you

[55:48] include rabbits, maybe you don't. Uh,

[55:50] but it's always going to be dogs and

[55:52] cats at least defined. And a lot of

[55:54] times you'll see no more than three dogs

[55:57] and no more than five total, you know,

[55:59] so you could have five cats. You have

[56:01] one dog and four cats. You have, you

[56:03] know, so that that's pretty common to

[56:05] say those kind of limitations. But, uh,

[56:08] so I think that's what the

[56:09] administration is looking for is okay,

[56:11] number one, do you want to have a

[56:13] restriction on it? Number two, do you

[56:15] have an idea? It sounds like you kind of

[56:17] want us to come back with something that

[56:19] is okay. This is what maybe Perryville

[56:22] or maybe some of the Jefferson County

[56:23] cities have or or maybe Farmington or

[56:25] something. Um and then and then you can

[56:28] kind of pick and choose, but it's it's

[56:30] always going to be the numbers and then

[56:32] the kennel issue. Um I don't know if

[56:35] I've seen those as special use permits.

[56:37] I've I've seen those is if you're going

[56:38] to have a kennel, you're going to have

[56:39] to commercial, you know, so it's like a

[56:41] prohibition uh in residential areas

[56:44] because, you know, if you have 10 dogs,

[56:46] um that's that that can be very

[56:48] burdensome on your residential

[56:50] neighbors. But um that that could be a

[56:53] way to to address it as well. But if

[56:55] you're overlaying that's a zoning issue,

[56:58] so special use purpose. So then you have

[56:59] to publish notice to the public and all

[57:01] that before you

[57:02] >> you adopt any sort of uh zoning use

[57:06] regulations.

[57:08] Um the the other health and welfare uh

[57:11] ordinances

[57:13] um you can adopt and apply to all of

[57:17] them. the number of animals is kind of

[57:21] between those two. And but I would I

[57:23] would say you you might [clears throat]

[57:24] run into some problems trying to say

[57:27] people who already have six dogs and you

[57:29] say, "Okay, you only have five." Uh

[57:32] you're going to run into problems

[57:33] enforcing that, but whether whether you

[57:35] can push the issue or not, I don't know

[57:37] off the off the cuff tonight. uh if you

[57:40] could really force that issue I think

[57:42] you possibly could itself and welfare

[57:45] police power rather than flooding and

[57:47] zoning but I don't know if that answers

[57:49] the the first question or the first

[57:51] thing that came up but but the vicious

[57:53] animal thing there has to be a either a

[57:56] judicial determination in court or a

[57:58] determination by the board of older

[57:59] persons and that would have to be

[58:01] brought uh before you in a hearing and

[58:03] it would be contested hearing where the

[58:05] animal owner would have a right to be

[58:07] heard and to present evidence the dog

[58:10] isn't vicious.

[58:12] That's a due process hearing.

[58:14] >> And we've we've done those before in

[58:16] other cities.

[58:16] >> And we have those ordinances. We have

[58:18] potentially dangerous and then

[58:19] dangerous. And we have some listed on

[58:21] potentially dangerous right now. But the

[58:22] dangerous would come to you all.

[58:25] >> And I've been through unfortunately

[58:27] those same hearings three times. And

[58:30] unfortunately, uh, one dog just

[58:33] absolutely decided he's just going to

[58:35] bite everybody every chance he gets. So,

[58:38] um, yeah, the unfortunate thing of

[58:40] putting that animal down, which is not a

[58:42] fun thing. Um, but to tell you how

[58:45] people care about their animals, um,

[58:47] they end up spending about $25,000 to

[58:50] keep both those dogs.

[58:53] So, it sounds like bring back to you

[58:55] some samples or examples of um uh nearby

[58:59] cities, their limitations, and then

[59:02] draft an ordinance um to kind of bring

[59:06] it back to a work session. If we can get

[59:09] your okay, then we'll go through the PNZ

[59:11] process.

[59:12] >> So, Robert, in your past and stuff, it

[59:14] sounds like most of the violations have

[59:16] been dogs.

[59:18] >> Uh

[59:18] >> most of most of the time.

[59:20] >> Most of the time. So distinguishing

[59:22] between dogs and other animals, you

[59:25] know, to make it so many dogs and then

[59:29] >> Yeah.

[59:30] >> cuz where does it stop? Cats, rabbits,

[59:32] frogs, fish.

[59:34] >> Well, yeah. And that and that's the

[59:36] thing. Um, again, that's why it's

[59:38] important to to designate it. So, if

[59:40] it's not on the list, then it's not a

[59:42] control. you know, if you if if snakes

[59:44] aren't on the list, then we're not

[59:47] looking for snakes unless it violates

[59:50] some other part of the welfare side of

[59:53] things, we're not going to limit the

[59:54] number

[59:55] >> snakes violate. Usually in a hoarding

[59:58] situation, you're having cats rather

[59:59] than dogs, right? Yes. But sometimes you

[1:00:01] do have dogs. But but they're there. I

[1:00:05] would advise you to have at least some

[1:00:06] sort of limit on cats even if it's a

[1:00:09] higher limit because you could easily

[1:00:11] have a house has 30 cats in it easy.

[1:00:14] >> In in my neighborhood, if you want more

[1:00:16] than five cats, just leave food out. You

[1:00:18] have 20 on Yeah.

[1:00:20] >> I have two that are that are licensed

[1:00:22] and whatever, you know, shots and

[1:00:24] everything else. But anytime I leave the

[1:00:26] bowls out, there'll be more than that

[1:00:27] there.

[1:00:27] >> Yeah. That's that's a whole another

[1:00:29] situation of of things to talk about

[1:00:31] with that

[1:00:32] >> Boston. He's there every night.

[1:00:34] >> There you go. He's not yours. We won't

[1:00:36] regulate him.

[1:00:38] >> Had that downtown by the forest for

[1:00:40] years.

[1:00:41] >> Everybody good with that plan of action.

[1:00:43] We'll uh we'll get a sample ordinance

[1:00:45] drafted and we'll bring that back and we

[1:00:47] can uh fine-tune it at that point.

[1:00:50] >> Thank you.

[1:00:50] >> Get it ready to go.

[1:00:51] >> Excellent. Thank you guys.

[1:00:53] >> Thank you, Robert, for the help. Um,

[1:00:55] Robert, um, the very first, uh, the

[1:00:57] agreement with the county, I mean, is

[1:00:59] there something that we need to like So,

[1:01:01] like the administrator said there, I

[1:01:03] think it's something that that we visit

[1:01:05] with the the county with the sheriff and

[1:01:07] talk to him about what their plan is and

[1:01:09] what action they're going to take and

[1:01:11] uh, see if we can't, like I said, do an

[1:01:13] intergovernmental agreement or figure

[1:01:15] out what what their plan is and then go

[1:01:17] from there.

[1:01:20] >> Yeah, we should probably indify the

[1:01:22] county. I mean, if they're doing the

[1:01:23] services for free, we they probably

[1:01:25] should should have some protection. Um,

[1:01:28] if we're bringing animals there, you

[1:01:30] know, so there's there there's some

[1:01:31] benefit in for the county to have that

[1:01:34] [clears throat] in writing as well.

[1:01:35] >> County.

[1:01:36] >> Yeah.

[1:01:38] >> Wonderful. Okay. Thank you all for that

[1:01:40] discussion. Um, we'll move along to our

[1:01:42] second topic. Um, this is, uh, we do

[1:01:47] have an option to go into close session

[1:01:48] for this. It's regarding um, city

[1:01:51] administrators review.

[1:01:55] motion to close session.

[1:01:56] >> Is there going to be a second real

[1:01:59] estate question as well?

[1:02:01] >> There will uh in agenda item three. So

[1:02:05] we do both. We can close for both.

[1:02:07] >> Yes. Close for item two and three.

[1:02:10] >> Okay. So we're going to close for

[1:02:12] personnel and real estate.

[1:02:15] >> And by made the motion Amy seconded.

[1:02:18] >> Okay. And Pam, could you do a roll call,

[1:02:20] please? Alderman Stiger. Yes.

[1:02:22] >> Alderman Prince. Yes.

[1:02:23] >> Alderman. Alderman Haley.

[1:02:25] >> Yes.

[1:02:26] >> Alderman Donovan. Yes.

[1:02:27] >> Alderwoman Dos.

[1:02:28] >> Yes.

[1:02:28] >> Motion carries. 706.

[1:02:38] » Anything else to discuss at this time?

[1:02:43] >> Okay. If not, then we will adjourn.

[1:02:45] Thank you very much.

Ste. Genevieve, (Mo, USA) Board of Aldermen, September 24, 2026

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