[0:03] Check your mailbox. >> We are live.

[0:09] » All right. I'd like to call this police and fire committee meeting together. Mr.

[0:12] Burnside >> here.

[0:14] » Miss Pinglet here >> and Mr. Bass is here.

[0:17] » So, Mr. Bernsteag asked me last week to bring this uh

[0:23] committee together cuz he wants to go over uh the ordinance that we are trying

[0:29] to pass that was going to be in the second reading. The one that requires a

[0:33] uniform police officer to direct traffic when any construction or work

[0:36] necessities or blocking or closing of certain

[0:40] streets here within. I know we talked about this that we have to revisit it

[0:43] and we have to go over a little bit a couple glitches here, but Mr. Burnside

[0:48] being on the committee says he wants to uh express some opinions and obviously

[0:53] we could go over it now. >> Sure.

[0:55] » So I'm going to give the floor to you. >> Thank you. Um first of all I don't like

[0:59] the word mandatory in there for everything.

[1:01] » I agree. >> Um I think these jobs go out to bid

[1:06] which the price of a police officer on is going to increase the cost of the job

[1:11] for everybody. Um anyway, if they go out for bid and I think the safety service

[1:17] director should be the one to decide whether or not we need police officers

[1:21] on that job. >> So that would take the mandatory out

[1:26] leave it up to him. >> I I couldn't agree more about the cost.

[1:29] I think that's something it's our duty to try to moderate as much as we can,

[1:33] especially when you really think about it that we're going to have a lot of

[1:35] city projects that this is going to add to, right? And when we blanket a whole

[1:40] street like let's say Sexton, there's a lot of places on Sexton that aren't

[1:43] going to require hardly anything. There's a lot of places on Sexton that

[1:47] are going to require traffic control. There's some that might require an

[1:50] officer, too. If we identify all of those streets that they identified, plus

[1:56] some other ones that I kind of talked to the mayor about that are an issue, I

[2:01] think we can go as far as adding any intersection. If you're working in an

[2:05] intersection, you at least need to consult the safety service director

[2:09] first. And if you are in an >> inter all the all the paving jobs, they

[2:13] got to get basically permits >> permits. But however,

[2:18] I I was thinking about this in the the terms of all of these streets, the other

[2:23] safety concerns that we have addressed, right? Intersection. Let's say you're

[2:27] doing a patch on the road that's more than 300 square feet. It's a certain

[2:32] distance on any road. You should probably consult with the safety service

[2:35] director and see how he wants you to proceed.

[2:38] » It's not that different. When I go to Loville, I get in touch with Joanne,

[2:43] that is basically their safety service director anytime I cut their road and

[2:48] see how do you want me to proceed? How would you like traffic control? And

[2:51] here's what here's my plan. I was going to shut down the northbound lane and let

[2:56] the southbound lane flow free. Detour around. and she'll either say that's

[3:00] great or you're going to need something. Uh when I deal with the county, it's the

[3:05] same way. You know, if we're on a main road,

[3:07] » so you provide your own >> correct, but it's you're going to ask

[3:10] them, what are you going to require for this job? Are you going to require AWP

[3:15] to come out? Are you going to require an officer to come out? Um so,

[3:19] » so we don't need an officer if AWP's there. Well, I I think the safety

[3:24] service director, there's certain times that might say that he would have to be

[3:28] there as well. >> Well, I I think that we should change

[3:31] that to putting all of this on the safety service director. We're just kind

[3:36] of deeming >> what streets and what situations.

[3:41] Correct. If we if we can set parameters for what situations we think you must go

[3:46] to the safety service director for prior to doing this, I think we've done our

[3:51] job best we can. Cuz in all of those scenarios, it's almost it's almost case

[3:56] specific. Right. >> Absolutely. So, like I said, on a street

[3:59] like Sexton, if we're going to say every time Sexton's cut it, you have to have

[4:03] an officer out there or every time there's construction, you have to have

[4:06] an officer or you have to provide this, you're shortsighted because there's

[4:11] cases that we needed, there's cases that we don't. However, if we do our job by

[4:14] saying, "You have to go to the safety service director anytime you're working

[4:17] on this street and ask him >> what's your requirements?"

[4:21] » Correct. then we've covered ourselves the best we can and we've given it an

[4:25] opportunity to basically put the least amount of cost

[4:31] on the the construction company or on the entity doing the work.

[4:35] » Hopefully, it's far enough in advance where the police officer who does it is

[4:40] notified in time. >> Sure. And Anthony, I'm sorry, as the

[4:43] safety service director, he would be able to make all of those specific. If I

[4:47] if this is going to be a big job and you're going to be there 10 hours, it's

[4:50] different than if you're going to be there one, let's let Anthony make that

[4:53] distinction and let's also put it if it's going to be in a a heavy area on

[4:57] sex or heavy area the things that you do for opera.

[5:00] » Yes. >> How long does it take you to do that?

[5:02] » Sometimes a whole day. >> So I don't think I an officer for one

[5:07] day job. >> Sometimes an hour. But I would say in

[5:11] all of these case specific times, if we just put it to Anthony to say anytime

[5:16] you're working on these roads, anytime you're in an intersection, set some

[5:20] parameters. Anytime the road cut or the construction on the road is x amount of

[5:25] space, you're required to call Anthony and he can make the decision of do I

[5:31] want an officer, do I want AWP, do I want both? I agree.

[5:35] » Or you know what, you're only going to be there for two hours on this street.

[5:38] set up some cones and some traffic signs and I'll be okay with that. Yeah,

[5:42] » then he can actually go up and inspect it

[5:44] » 100%. And he you if you told Anthony the exact address you're working at, he

[5:48] would know the portion of the road and know basically what you need what you're

[5:53] doing. So that's going to make it case specific.

[5:57] » What do you think? >> No, this is all sounding really good.

[6:00] » That that's kind of the way I figure it. And it's not that far out of realm from

[6:04] other places that we do it. So, if we set the streets that we we want anytime

[6:09] you before you work here, >> intersections, large patches, uh large

[6:15] road work of any kind, and I think to be honest with you, on the streets that

[6:19] we've selected, we should expand it cuz it just says roadway. Okay? Now, a lot

[6:24] of times, I'll be honest, if I'm working in the right of way, the road right

[6:28] ofway, you know, curb, devil strip, sidewalk, my equipment is on the road.

[6:35] So if I'm on Poland Avenue, whether I'm working in the road or working on the

[6:39] rightway, I'm obstructing traffic. >> Sure. So in we should add that instance

[6:44] to here on those streets. And again, let Anthony make the decision. He's going to

[6:48] know you can get away with just the cop. You're going to need a a zone setup, a

[6:53] safety zone setup, and you're going to need a flagging crew.

[6:55] » Do you do that? >> You check with these guys with before

[6:58] you do your >> I checked with Bob. No, I No, that's all

[7:02] on us. I checked with Bob when Bob was here every time. Um I have checked with

[7:08] » the >> and it works fine.

[7:10] » Street supervisor. Yeah. >> Um and I think that most of the

[7:13] companies who are doing that grade or that level of work,

[7:17] » they know how traffic control should go. This is just another step of saying we

[7:22] want our safety service director to make sure that it's safe in in each of these

[7:26] situations. Now, I've I've always contacted them. I mean, maybe we didn't

[7:30] if we were on a street that seen two cars and we were going to be there half

[7:34] a day, but I think if we set this into ordinance, I think this is fine. And I

[7:39] think we if we're sending it to Anthony and sending it to the safety service

[7:43] director, we can broaden, like I said, working in the Devil strip.

[7:48] » We can broaden the number of streets because ultimately it's going to be

[7:52] Anthony that makes that decision. We're just basically giving the ammunition

[7:56] there for him to make that decision. I agree. I think that's a good route to

[8:00] go. >> Y

[8:06] » this way it's not we're not blanketing things that you know, hey, I use Sexton

[8:10] as the example cuz there's parts that are fine and there's parts that are bad,

[8:13] right? Um so if we blanket that whole street, you're going to add cost in some

[8:18] areas that didn't need anything. But by putting it to Anthony, let him make that

[8:23] decision, he can gauge where you're at. I think there were too many different

[8:28] situational things that came about after this. Whether it was is this happening

[8:33] in the middle of the night? Is this happening during school? Is it on Elm

[8:37] Street when it's the summertime in school? How much cost is it going to add

[8:41] to certain projects? Is it going to char?

[8:47] » Yes. But there's too many variables if you're trying to blanket it. But if we

[8:52] can just and I'm sorry to Anthony that we are again putting this on his

[8:56] shoulders but this he can handle it. That's his job and I think he'll do fine

[9:01] at it. I really do. His knowledge of working with the street department for

[9:05] that time. He's going to He knows the streets.

[9:07] » He knows what's going to be needed. >> He knows the people.

[9:10] » He does. I I think that's fine. I really I think this is the smartest way to go

[9:14] about it. >> I think so, too,

[9:16] » John. >> So, we got to come up with a different

[9:18] piece of legislation. >> Yes. Yes.

[9:22] » making making him the main guy who makes the decision around what we have to do.

[9:26] » And if you want to go over it, Rick, where you know the parameters that I I

[9:30] see as a problem or I see should be lumped into that, we can do that.

[9:35] » Do do you have like certain places and and and ideas where you think we should

[9:40] be more focused on? >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, centers the

[9:43] streets. Well, the streets that they named, there's a couple extras that I

[9:48] mean that there's a couple extras. There's a couple extra streets. I'm sure

[9:51] if you can't do that, you're getting about

[9:55] this. Yes. So, she could No problem. >> This is going to be amended already just

[9:59] street wise. >> Yeah.

[10:00] » Yeah. >> And I think we need to get a final

[10:03] product. >> I do too.

[10:04] » So, in the future, other administrators say, "Well, we don't have to do anything

[10:07] to this," >> right?

[10:08] » You know. >> Yeah. Well, and I agree. And the more we

[10:12] lump in there, probably the better off you are because again, it's just going

[10:16] to Anthony to make the decision. We're saying before you do any of this work,

[10:20] you have to get in touch with Anthony and see what he requires.

[10:24] » Anything that's questionable, we should put on here.

[10:27] » Are you putting down streets? >> Yes. Yeah.

[10:30] » Oh, you are going to put >> There's some in there.

[10:31] » There's some in there now on on on B. There's the streets, but there's I knew

[10:35] there was there would be a few extra ones that Dallas Street.

[10:38] » So, we're just going to add streets. So, you're still going to put streets on,

[10:40] correct? Make it the whole city. >> So, for me, we're going to add streets.

[10:44] We're going to have the streets that they have plus some questionable ones

[10:47] that could have kind of went on or off. We might as well put them on.

[10:51] » Then I I would say you add square footage based.

[10:54] » Yeah. See, Anthony is going to need to know that,

[10:57] » you know, because how long it's going to be and

[11:00] » Mhm. >> just so he knows what to delegate.

[11:03] » Yes. And again, when we put this on there, when I say, "Hey, if a road if

[11:07] you're cutting the road open or you're working in a stretch of road that's

[11:10] longer than 300 square feet, let's just make that anywhere in the city." I'm not

[11:14] saying you have to get a flag. I'm not saying any of that. I'm saying you have

[11:17] to call Anthony if you're going to do that and see, let him tell you what you

[11:21] need. >> And then whatever we pass at the end,

[11:23] Anony's going to take care of getting that to the companies that work in

[11:26] shrers that we know. So they're aware, get it to the tree companies, anybody

[11:30] that we normally see doing business in the city. So, us companies are there for

[11:35] a few hours. >> 100%. But let Anthony make that

[11:37] decision. You know, if you're only there for a few hours, but you're on Poland

[11:41] Avenue by the manor, >> it doesn't matter. You You need

[11:44] something there. You know, >> grant I I've I've been around so many

[11:48] barriers, especially this past year. >> Yes.

[11:50] » I've never had a problem. >> No.

[11:52] » No. But I also think the influx of construction that we've had in the last

[11:56] few years, kind of exposed >> all at one time.

[11:59] » Yeah. Captain Hos was right. We we do need something. I mean, we've had quite

[12:03] a bit and it it has exposed the fact that we could use something like that.

[12:07] » Didn't this all come about of argument or somebody was cuz I never heard

[12:12] anything about that. >> Well, there was a few accidents from

[12:14] what he said. There was three accidents. >> There was uh almost a fight down here.

[12:19] » That's that's the biggie. >> So, I mean, again, I think we're doing

[12:22] the most responsible thing by delegating all this and putting it to Anthony to

[12:27] make that decision. >> I witnessed the argument up here.

[12:30] pulling out in front of my building. A he was aw rather was guy was direct. He

[12:37] was cussing at cars and swearing. What the hell?

[12:40] » See, now he he should have been reported.

[12:42] » Yeah. I've never I've never had that in. >> I've seen it when they were had

[12:47] » right. >> I mean, he was

[12:48] » because a lot of these big companies use that company.

[12:52] » Yeah. No, they're the company. >> This guy won't. He could be just a bad

[12:56] employee. >> Maybe. I mean, we've never had an

[12:58] experience like that. But what I would say is you're going to get uh not an

[13:02] even keel, but h you know, a portion of the time you're going to call on some of

[13:05] these streets and they're going to say just put out uh cones and road signs and

[13:10] you're fine. Correct. >> A big portion you might need an officer

[13:14] at minimum. An officer is cheaper than AWP

[13:18] » or you're going to need a whole zone set up in AWP. I mean, there's there's it

[13:23] could go a couple different routes. Anthony will have to make that decision.

[13:26] And we should let Anthony have a chance to look at it and see what he might want

[13:30] to add to it. >> Yes.

[13:32] » So, I think we need to do that. >> I mean, I'll add what I kind of what I

[13:36] think what we talked about here today. >> Bring that to Anthony. See what he

[13:39] thinks cuz he's going to be the one. He's the one enforcing it, too.

[13:43] » So, I I'll put down what I think. Mayor, you look at it. Anthony can go over it.

[13:48] He can add what he feels to it if there's other areas or situations he

[13:52] thinks should be in here that aren't >> And that's the way it is. and and

[13:55] that'll be fine. I mean, he is the director of public safety here. I mean,

[14:00] he should have that say. >> And there's I see nothing wrong with

[14:02] that. >> I I agree.

[14:04] » As many questions as there are different situations, um something that he's been

[14:09] stressing lately, he actually met with a couple companies already to keep

[14:12] consistency when it comes to how everybody's going to be doing something.

[14:16] So, I know these are >> situational, but he's been

[14:19] » talking with us and talking with these other companies that it's going to be a

[14:23] consistent thing. It's not going to be this way for this one or this way for

[14:26] this. It's going to be consistent across the board

[14:29] » and I'm sure fair to each company. However, a lot of these are going to be

[14:34] like we discussed different situations based on where you're located. Yes.

[14:39] Correct. All of those pictures thatffect we have to give him uh the freedom to be

[14:45] able to say >> you need it here. You don't need it

[14:48] here. And it has nothing to do with who you are. It has to do with where this is

[14:52] located, the time that you're going to be working, all of those things.

[14:55] Speaking of location, >> like state routes now, are we going to

[14:59] be Yeah, >> we're still going to enforce it

[15:03] » and we will have officers or whatnot and it's not going to be like on county or

[15:08] it's not going to be all >> but that that would go be his decision

[15:11] and it would go to bid with that includ.

[15:17] Yeah, we still we still require we should put that in there, too.

[15:21] » Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even >> that that doesn't take a car off the

[15:25] road, does it? >> We have a car that's available to sit

[15:28] down. >> We have a car that would be available,

[15:29] but then the company would also pays $10 an hour for the use of the car.

[15:33] » Okay. >> So, like we had that the gas

[15:37] » Yeah. >> We made quite a bit of money from just

[15:40] the car alone. So, it's a separate invoice that we build a company.

[15:44] » I think that's smart. And I think honestly I think you'll probably see an

[15:49] even keel of not needing anything on streets where we would have required

[15:53] something. >> Yeah.

[15:54] » Or just requiring a a police officer. >> Yes. I think that's by far the smartest

[16:00] way you guys could do it. >> I'm okay with that.

[16:04] » And then you you're talking u something about pay rate or or something dollar

[16:09] amount. Was it a minimum of four hours or

[16:12] » Well, that's all that's all goes through the FOP. That has nothing to do with any

[16:16] of us. That's all their union. So, they have a set price

[16:19] » for reduced >> like not running.

[16:22] » But I also think that >> they have a different rate for um events

[16:27] and they have a different rate for traffic. So, they set their standard.

[16:31] They have all that. >> So, that's non-negotiable.

[16:34] » Has nothing. That's also that I mean I I would say in a lot of instances the

[16:38] police are lower as far as costwise than AWP. AWP is coming out with signs,

[16:44] flags, multiple people, uh setting up a zone, setting up liability. So in a lot

[16:49] of these instances, I think it is going to go to the police officers versus AWP

[16:54] cuz they're not that busy, >> which will benefit us more.

[16:57] » Yes, I really do. I think I think out of all of it, you might see 50% needs a

[17:02] police officer, 30% needs AWP, 20% needs nothing. It gives our guys work.

[17:08] » Yes. So I I think it's all the way around. I think it's good. I think by it

[17:11] going to Anthony, it's still by >> different instances, it's going to help

[17:18] um the cost >> because then again on areas that we

[17:22] really don't need anything, Anthony can deem that.

[17:25] » Yeah. versus us being required to put somebody

[17:28] here because it was through legislation when it really doesn't need anything.

[17:32] » Got it. Well, she put it the mayor put it in, you know, different rates for

[17:37] events. >> I think it'll be perfect.

[17:40] » We'll have to come up with a new uh ordinance and obviously now you'll take

[17:43] a look at it, make sure everything's right.

[17:46] » Yeah. And with the amount of traffic going on, I mean, like I said, I I'll

[17:49] I'll write down what I thought here today. I'll give it to Rick and get with

[17:53] the mayor and the SSD >> streets that we think

[17:56] » the rest of the streets all of those things and um maybe even bring it out in

[18:02] committee next week if we have something or uh in caucus if we have something by

[18:06] then and and pass it after cuz there is construction quite a bit going on coming

[18:10] up. >> Yes. So

[18:12] » I'm good with that. Okay. >> You have anything else?

[18:16] » I'm good. Thank you. >> All right. Um

[18:22] motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn.

[18:24] » Second. >> Second.

[18:25] » Motion. Committee can call this finance and

[18:28] legislation meeting to order. Mr. Burnside here.

[18:31] » Mr. Balac is absent. Mr. Bigley is here. >> Like to excuse Mr. Carcelli who is not

[18:36] here. And I'd like to excuse Mr. Balac who is not here this evening.

[18:44] Now, all I have here in front of me is one piece

[18:48] um that we still need to work on. This is the uniform police officer.

[18:53] » Yes. >> So, let's we we've already discussed

[18:55] that under police and fire.

[19:00] Uh anybody have anything else for this committee, mayor? Yes, I have um just

[19:05] for you guys to look over that I gave to you guys last week about the Poland

[19:10] Village ordinance um to see if you guys had any comments or any things that

[19:17] is this something that you guys would want to look at. Um, I know Anthony went

[19:22] over this and there's a couple things that he off the bat didn't like with the

[19:26] $25 fine and things like there was there was a couple different um instances on

[19:33] here. This is obviously just an example. We would tailor it to what

[19:37] » sure >> we would like to see. Um, but I think

[19:41] just requiring helmets alone for >> I would say under 16 because even over

[19:48] 16 >> valid I would say 16 is probably a fair

[19:52] age. We're trusting you to drive. >> But we have to talk about the

[19:56] enforcement of this, what the penalty is, how we're going to do like there.

[20:00] This has to be kind of a large discussion

[20:03] » um because of what you guys all think for this. They've been doing classes.

[20:07] Youngsttown Brody just came up. Chief Rody just came up um today. Youngtown is

[20:12] holding a class, an informational class for electric bikes and scooters. So, we

[20:19] were talking about maybe doing something. I know we met with Rick um a

[20:23] couple weeks ago about rolling something out in the beginning of the year. It's

[20:26] kind of late now. Um >> would the golf course fall in line with

[20:30] this ordinance as well? >> No, that would be complete. That would

[20:34] be separate. Okay. Um that would be a completely separate ordinance. But

[20:39] that's kind of roll out. I don't want to say

[20:42] like a safety day, but in this early early spring when we have the traffic

[20:47] garden up um and do something at Mothy whether he's going to find out who's

[20:52] doing this informational session and maybe they can come to us. Um I know the

[20:57] gentleman from Wheel Bike uh down in Youngstown, he owns the company where

[21:02] it's the bike share where you can go to the different and we talked about maybe

[21:05] putting a a location here in Shrethers. Um, it's just in the beginning

[21:10] » like the kayak place downtown that rents the kayaks.

[21:14] » No, this would be a a a um at a loss for words. I can't think of what I'm trying

[21:19] to say. It would be a station where the bikes are and you would go scan.

[21:24] » Oh. Oh. Oh. >> I can't think of the

[21:26] » I can't think of the word I'm trying to say, but you would take the bikes and

[21:29] you can return them in Youngstown. You can return them. So there's a path so

[21:33] they could ride the electric bikes on cuz uh State Street is a

[21:38] » in turn the people that would come to us would fill our racks.

[21:41] » Yes. >> Yeah, that's a good idea.

[21:43] » So you can leave it all around. They they have them everywhere else.

[21:45] » Yeah. I mean there's not like an employee that has to be there or

[21:48] anything, right? You're just scanning your car and it unlocks.

[21:50] » They have them everywhere. We just our downtown right now is not safe bike

[21:55] friendly yet. Um but we're obviously getting there. But this is something

[21:59] we've talked maybe even rolling out some kind of informational or educational

[22:03] session when we do the golf courts and carts and everything at Mothy and make

[22:07] it kind of like a safety day there >> that would talk about the electric

[22:11] scooters, the electric bikes, what we require in the city. Um, and I know

[22:16] Chief Roddy wanted to do some kind of our own registration for the golf carts

[22:22] because right now you you have to have a license on the golf cart and most of

[22:26] those stipulations you should have a license right now. You

[22:30] should have a license on your golf cart. So, I know we've been pulling people

[22:34] over and educating them and letting them know um because a lot of them aren't

[22:38] aware of what's needed. So, we kind of have to do some type of educational

[22:47] » um I know years ago

[22:51] cuz my brother had one of them urban expresses or whatever. John, this might

[22:55] you might want to have to answer this too. Is there a certain mile per hour

[23:00] that these electric bicycles or scooters, you know, if they go that that

[23:06] fast? Um, is it necessary for them to have a motorcycle license? Cuz I know my

[23:13] brother had to have a motorcycle license years ago.

[23:16] » It's based I think it's based off the size of the of the of the motor of the

[23:19] bike. >> Is that what it is?

[23:21] » Yeah. >> Okay.

[23:22] » Um, but I I don't I don't know what it is.

[23:26] » Right. cuz like I said years ago when he had one he had to get his motorcycle

[23:30] license. >> We could see what the Ohio Revis code

[23:33] says about >> Yeah. Maybe if we could look at the Ohio

[23:35] Revis code on that >> look into it let you know

[23:37] » because if if that's the case with some of these bikes and if they're going 25

[23:42] miles an hour >> is about they go about 25 miles an hour.

[23:45] I see some moving some go fast. Yeah. >> Then they should be on the street.

[23:51] » Exactly. And that's what I see too. So or at least

[23:54] » and there's no chat >> by the curb on the street,

[23:57] » right? >> That's just my question there. Maybe

[24:01] » break the bike and >> so it goes faster

[24:03] » if if it is necessary for these people if it is under the Ohio revised code for

[24:07] them to have >> all right

[24:08] » a motorcycle license. >> I appreciate it.

[24:10] » You know what I mean? Cuz I mean it's obvious as it says here whereas the

[24:14] legislature state of Ohio is enacted legislation to regulate e scooters,

[24:18] electric bicycles, mopeds and other assist. They're putting mopeds in here,

[24:22] too, which is a motorized vehicle. >> That's closer to a motorcycle, though, I

[24:26] think. >> Yeah.

[24:27] » Well, >> yeah, I guess.

[24:29] » So, same situation. They want to put it in the same,

[24:32] » you know, uh, >> there's just so many different things.

[24:35] Like there's scooters that look like mopeds, but they're scooters with a

[24:38] seat. >> I know.

[24:40] » There it's >> But that that's something that

[24:43] » see what OC has. That's all. >> Go from there.

[24:45] » I mean, that's just something I was thinking about as I was reading this and

[24:49] something you could look at for me. I appreciate it.

[24:51] » You got it. >> Thanks, man.

[24:52] » Anything for you? >> Thank you.

[24:55] » Anything else on here you guys you want us to look at, amend, change, alter

[25:00] questions, comments? >> You got anything good, Mike?

[25:03] » What we're going to we're going to sit and go over with the chief with Anthony

[25:09] and then probably present something to John and see what

[25:13] » we don't need to have him register them, do we?

[25:16] » Well, what Chief Rody wants to do Oh, not the scooters. No, the golf carts.

[25:20] Yes. >> Oh, yeah.

[25:21] » Golf carts. But not the scooters. >> I don't Unless

[25:26] » I don't know. >> I don't know.

[25:28] » Unless something code says something about

[25:31] » if they have a motorized bike that goes 25 miles an hour.

[25:35] » Yeah. >> I mean, that's really I mean, you think

[25:38] about it that that's that's a liability on the road.

[25:40] » Yeah. >> For safety and everything else. I mean,

[25:43] » but should they be riding on the road under 16 without a driver's license?

[25:46] » That's the thing, too. No. And how many's going to do that?

[25:49] » Can you imagine being on a bike and hitting the plum crossing the road 25

[25:56] » or hitting a bottle this big, >> right? And you don't know where those

[26:00] are. You know, us on the road driving do.

[26:02] » I think honestly with this one, >> OC is probably going to give us more

[26:06] information than >> we're even talking about right now

[26:09] because I'm sure they've seen it a million times. Yeah.

[26:12] » And it's going to open up a lot of questions. I just thought when I was I

[26:15] was watching Abby um from Poland Village, she goes on FaceTime every time

[26:20] she's on a meeting and I was watching specifically about this and I just

[26:24] thought the helmets >> I agree.

[26:27] » Sure. The helmets I liked that and that it has to be buckled. It can't just

[26:31] » cuz I I I've almost hit a few kids. >> Okay.

[26:38] » Okay. What we What else we got? Um I have um Jennifer Johnson from Aqua would

[26:45] like to attend a an executive session to go over some things um next week and

[26:50] she's asking that she if she can bring um another coworker um his name is Ivan.

[26:57] So I wanted to get permission before I tell her not to

[27:01] » I don't have an issue. I mean more Listen, it's it

[27:04] » more information the better >> the better. Exactly. And it's kind of

[27:07] our job to hear out any information. Absolutely.

[27:09] » It's going to come our way. >> Okay.

[27:11] » All right. No issue to me. >> I'll get with Megan.

[27:14] » Thanks for asking though. >> Um

[27:19] the only other thing I had is um Brandon from Sixth Street is back in town and he

[27:25] wants what exactly is there a specific

[27:31] rock or a specific amount that council wants him to put down? Because before he

[27:38] goes and buys anything, I don't want to make him spend the money.

[27:42] » At the one man, at the one council meeting, we council said he wanted

[27:47] number 57. Council wanted number 57 stone put down.

[27:51] » I mean, so the thing is the cheapest. >> Well, it's not that it's the cheapest.

[27:55] Grindings would be cheaper, but 57 is going to be the cleanest and it's going

[27:59] to give you the best drainage. So when water gets in there, it's if you get a

[28:03] smaller stone, it's tighter and if you get a lot of water, it'll rush it and

[28:07] flood it down the street or flood it into the grass. 57 drains really well.

[28:11] So if he uses 57 limestone, >> it that's going to give him the best

[28:15] overall product. >> I'm not sure though he should do

[28:18] anything. >> That's my next question. What

[28:23] » what are we doing with that? Well, it it came up that there was a question

[28:26] presented to me as to whether he's allowed to use that for parking for his

[28:31] employees. Um, that lot sits in a residential area. My in my opinion,

[28:41] if the landscaping business that he operates is not permitted in that

[28:46] residential district, nor is him using that lot for parking of his employees.

[28:53] He doesn't live there. It's not his house. There's no house there. Um

[28:58] » yeah, but the law doesn't state anything that there has to be a house or not.

[29:02] That doesn't really there's no distinction.

[29:04] » There's no difference between because it it it came up uh it came up last week as

[29:09] far as commercial vehicles parking in parking in you know bringing their their

[29:14] their cars home and parking in residential with with res at their

[29:18] houses, >> right? Um and

[29:23] um again I I I agree with you to but I'm just trying to say that you know if he

[29:28] he lived there he had a house there you know I

[29:33] » because it's not a commercial vehicle. >> Again I didn't I didn't see anything

[29:37] that prohibited you from or anything any instance where

[29:44] there had to be a house you had to live there. I didn't see any of that in the

[29:48] law. So, I just don't know how we're making an interpretation on that. How

[29:53] you got to that interpretation? >> Well, I I told you he it's basically in

[29:56] my in my it's he it's an accessory use of his business. It's an extension of of

[30:02] his business. Um it's not like he's parking there when he goes home um at

[30:09] night. He's park, he's using it for employee parking, but for the

[30:13] landscaping business being there, there wouldn't be the need for his employees

[30:17] to park there. So, it's if you can't all you're trying to do is you're trying to

[30:24] say, well, I can't park anywhere around my com my commercial lot, so I'm going

[30:29] to park in the residential district. But it's all just an an extension of his of

[30:34] his business operations. >> Yeah. So, but there's no problem if he

[30:38] takes uh said commercial business vehicles home and parks them there.

[30:44] » No, let him take them to his house and park them there.

[30:46] » I agree with that. >> I agree with that. But

[30:49] » what's going to happen is where it's not a big deal, but they're going to go back

[30:51] on the street, which we have >> on the street,

[30:54] » which we have nothing. >> And that's the that was the initial

[30:56] complaint. >> The initial complaint was

[30:58] » they were parking on the street. >> We made them move them from the street.

[31:02] That's a good point. >> He moved him from the street and put him

[31:04] here, which we deemed accept acceptable. >> Now we're going to tell them this isn't

[31:10] good enough. You have to put them back on the street. We're going to be right

[31:12] back where we started. And every bit of this was for nothing.

[31:15] » How many cars parked there when I went by?

[31:18] » I saw three. >> I would say five or six.

[31:21] » I real six and then there was a truck with the name on the side.

[31:25] » Yeah. So, here's we were talking about we've been going round with all this. Um

[31:30] would council I I can ask for a zoning commission meeting and we can have the

[31:37] public hearing and they can bring it to a zoning the zoning commission and then

[31:41] zoning commission can make the recommendation to council.

[31:44] » I agree. Council if there's a variance that council wants to do for that then

[31:50] » the zoning commission can write the recommendation to the council. council

[31:53] can decide what to do whether or not to put a variance on or not and go from

[31:59] there. >> I would say the smartest way with a

[32:01] variance put those stipulations specifically on

[32:05] that property and you could tell him this is exactly what we want there.

[32:09] » But I I do want to say something else. Last week it kind of came to us that we

[32:15] what we have in our ordinances as a commercial vehicle

[32:20] um >> different

[32:22] » differs from what OC excuse me the BMV what all of those places have as a

[32:28] commercial vehicle >> if it comes to it in the future I think

[32:33] we should revamp what we deem a commercial vehicle or

[32:38] if you look at it we only deem a commercial vehicle something that's over

[32:42] a one- ton dual rear wheel with a non-factory truck bed. That's what we

[32:46] wanted. We wanted to deem that it has to be at least that to be considered a

[32:51] commercial vehicle. >> But the others are talking even cars.

[32:54] » Correct. So, what I think we should do if it continues in the future, we leave

[32:58] the same stipulations. Just take the word commercial out of it. Correct.

[33:01] » Cuz we don't care if it's commercial in the sense that you drive a I'm just

[33:05] saying for instance a Lawn Ranger car. There's no just switch commercial

[33:10] prohibited there. Prohibited vehicle. Correct. That's where the confusion is

[33:14] coming. >> And I I agree. So, but we have but again

[33:18] we there's there would be nothing that would require us to pass any

[33:22] restrictions on the ability to park any type of vehicle in a residential area.

[33:27] We have defined in our ordinance the vehicles that we are attempting

[33:33] » to keep away >> to keep away. Correct. We just so

[33:35] happened to use the term commercial vehicle to def to to classify what we're

[33:42] not using the the Ohio revised code. >> We can keep this exactly the way that we

[33:48] enforce it right now by just taking commercial out and and we're in the

[33:52] right and we're doing the exact same thing we were doing. We're just we're

[33:56] doing it in the right. >> I don't even think you need to do that.

[33:58] But >> I would say in the future if if it comes

[34:01] up again, but I don't I don't think we've defined the vehicle.

[34:04] » My thing is I don't this I I say it all the time. Hardworking town. People work

[34:09] here. They drive work cars home from all of the different places. I mean we

[34:13] there's if you drive around there's a Shelly and Sands trucks. There's Rudzik.

[34:17] There's Bova. Uh there's a multitude of trucks. I don't want them people to not

[34:21] be able to take a car home. They should be able to. And I agree that those are

[34:25] commercial vehicles. This had nothing to do with those people.

[34:28] » I I understand. But that this is where we are now. This is where it it led us

[34:33] now. You know what I mean? >> That wasn't your intention.

[34:37] » But it it also Lori and I agree. But it it exposed maybe a flaw that we have.

[34:42] » I don't know. >> So in the future

[34:44] » very minor in my eyes to be honest if it's defined. Yeah. We define what it

[34:49] is. But what the the thing is when we have commercial in there, we're going

[34:53] against the what the OC deems commercial. We're going against what the

[34:57] BMV deems commercial. >> We're using a word. All we're doing is

[35:00] we're just we're using a we're not saying that it is commercial vehicles as

[35:05] defined by the Ohio Revised Code. We're saying commercial vehicles for purposes

[35:08] of our ordinances. In particular, this particular section of our ordinance is

[35:13] how we're defining them. Again, I I I I get the confusion. I don't really think

[35:17] it's that big of a deal. So, leave it >> if it come if it comes up again and you

[35:21] want to change the word commercial to prohibited or commercial to

[35:25] » not allowed vehic whatever you want to use that that's a

[35:29] » just as long as we have our our terms of what we consider acceptable and not

[35:35] acceptable. >> Right.

[35:36] » Correct. >> But we don't want that con contingent on

[35:41] if it's actually commercial or not. We just want what we prohibit. Yes.

[35:45] Exactly. I I if Yes. >> You know, it's come up a couple

[35:51] different times about lettering on a truck. These guys, you got to keep in

[35:56] mind, we got some carpet cleaning people park their vehicles on. They got

[35:59] lettering on here. Are they going to be >> But I think Ohio Revised Code calls that

[36:03] a commercial >> commercial vehicle. That that was

[36:05] brought up last week. >> That's how we

[36:09] put the ordinance together. We didn't want these people that run a commercial

[36:12] that run a carpet cleaning business. >> No, I agree.

[36:17] » Lumped in. >> Listen, there's

[36:19] » on a vehicle's 50 to me >> is not offensive.

[36:24] » And I promise you that there is some probably different sections of the Ohio

[36:27] Revised Code that use commercial vehicles in different ways and have

[36:31] different I'm sure I'm I'm positive. Okay. So I

[36:35] again I I heard I get where he was I get where he was confus where Ray was

[36:40] confused and what he what he was saying but but he was missing the point though

[36:44] is that we have it defined in our ordinance and we're just using that as a

[36:48] descriptive word for these vehicles >> and that's fine. I just thought that

[36:52] that would simplify everything at some point if it needs simplification by

[36:57] extracting commercial from it. >> So John so we should take out commercial

[37:00] and put prohibitive >> I I wouldn't touch anything. I mean I

[37:03] think it's fine as it is. Why pay to change our ordinance again with that

[37:07] company? I mean, I don't know how what they charge us,

[37:10] » but I I think it's fine as it it is fine how it is. It's

[37:14] » But we're still able to enforce it in the way that we've been enforcing it.

[37:17] Correct. >> Absolutely. Okay. Here's I have a

[37:19] question though because I after talking with Billy because we had a bunch of

[37:22] pictures from last week and there were some violations that were on the yard.

[37:26] Some of the cars that were on there are being worked on and that we talked to

[37:30] Chief Rody was not in violation because they are actively being worked on. He

[37:35] wanted me to ask if the because some of the trailers are small trail they are

[37:42] smaller than they are >> if we could change instead of that have

[37:48] the have the length of the trailer be so long that is banned because some of

[37:52] these trailers that they have at their house

[37:55] » I don't think it's all trailers correct it's dual axle

[37:58] » it's dual axle some of those are small some of them are little but you go if

[38:04] you go so long to keep a long trailer on the road, you got to have dual axles.

[38:09] That's why we put dual axles in. >> Well, that and we didn't want to

[38:14] » uh have a guy that just has a single axle

[38:19] trailer that pulls his lawnmower around. We didn't want him

[38:24] » saying. So, what So, go ahead. >> I think Bill and I spoke with him last

[38:27] night on this too. He wants to he wants to put something in an order in saying

[38:31] um nothing longer than 16 foot. >> 16 foot is fine. I would say that's

[38:36] » going to have a dual axle. >> Not all not all of them, but a lot of

[38:39] them do. >> But some of the smaller ones for some

[38:42] reason have the dual axle and >> you can get a 12footer with a dual axle.

[38:46] You can still let them have a dual axle. >> No,

[38:50] » no, it would just they just can't be over a certain length over certain

[38:53] length. If it's a trailer, >> nothing over 16 ft long.

[39:01] » 16 foot I would say that's fine. Nothing lower than that. No, you you you really

[39:05] I would say 16T is as fair as it's going to get. You're actually probably

[39:08] pushing, >> you know, and everything else. They

[39:12] can't be long. So any trailer longer than 16 ft is

[39:17] » it's generally though it's it's off the deck size would be longer than 16 ft.

[39:20] They don't take the tongue into consideration. So,

[39:24] » well, is that something that council would be

[39:26] » I I don't have a problem with that. I would say that's fair.

[39:28] » I I agree with that, too. >> You probably shouldn't have anything

[39:30] longer than 16 ft. I mean, >> and being on the grass obviously is a

[39:34] no. But the length >> if he's talking to some of these people

[39:37] and they're >> But we are talking we're talking any

[39:40] kind of trailers on grass. >> No, you don't include

[39:42] » just the deck. >> Deck. Yeah,

[39:44] » just the deck. >> But any any kind of trailers be like

[39:48] cars. Nothing on grass. >> Correct. Oh, correct.

[39:52] » Correct. And that's going to be for that's only going to be for trailers

[39:56] that are designed for hauling freight >> uh equipment, anything like that. We're

[40:02] not now taking campers into that. >> Right.

[40:06] » Right. >> Yeah. Because campers

[40:08] » Yeah. And they're going to be longer than

[40:09] » campers and boats. Am I correct on that? >> Mhm. But they're going to be longer than

[40:12] 16t. So I would say >> but they they're seasonal as well.

[40:15] » They are. But I would say if we make that uh designed for hauling freight or

[40:21] » something like that. That's what it reads now. Correct.

[40:24] » I thought we were gonna put something for campers from like April to November.

[40:27] I thought we did. Did we do that? >> Yeah, I thought we did.

[40:30] » Well, with the team >> seasonal from like end of April,

[40:35] » end of October. Yeah. >> For campers. I think we did

[40:38] » a single axle, but it's 16 ft long. >> I don't know if they ever actually put

[40:43] that in. You start to get >> Yeah,

[40:45] » I think we talked about it. >> I know we did the one Lori did one.

[40:48] Remember we did the school bus on the street. There was something

[40:52] » camper on the street up on the north, >> but none of them are permitted on the

[40:55] street anymore. Do you remember correct? >> No trailers aren't

[40:59] » campers are buses are allowed on seasonal.

[41:04] » I remember seasonal from the end of the end of April until we ain't been having

[41:09] any issues with them anyway. No, >> but somebody was living in that we were

[41:13] thinking about doing something down at >> campers or or the boats

[41:17] » cash flow. >> I thought we were coming up with boats

[41:20] too being parked in. >> I I I could tell you in the last few

[41:22] years I don't think we've had one issue. >> No, I don't think so.

[41:25] » So I would say, >> but I'm just wondering if we already

[41:28] have stuff. >> I don't know if we did or not, but I

[41:30] remember talking about it. >> So we're going to So we're going to

[41:33] amend the commercial portion of that to 16 ft of that.

[41:37] » Yeah, it's fine with me. We can bring it for next week so you guys can look it

[41:41] over before we do anything. That can that's something that can go through

[41:44] » and then we're going to leave the ordinance as is. The only thing we're

[41:48] going to change is the ch the trailer part of that

[41:50] » the deck. >> So that's fine and design.

[41:53] » And another thing the um the officer for the road that portion we we could pass

[42:00] that under emergency because this instead of going to three readings this

[42:03] is a safety issue. We don't want to push out. We don't want to push it out two

[42:07] months. That's You know what I mean? So, let's

[42:11] » Yeah, but I don't know what's being changed in anyone.

[42:13] » Yeah, we'll we'll get it together. >> I'm going to talk I'll talk go over

[42:17] everything. >> But that's why I even said if we can get

[42:20] it together for um >> caucus

[42:23] » caucus next week, bring it out and bring it out in the meeting. Sooner the

[42:26] better. >> You have to call finance legislation and

[42:31] talk about it. >> No problem. Anybody else? Anything for

[42:35] this committee? >> I don't have anything for the committee,

[42:37] but I just a couple updates. The splash pad has been poured. Not opening that

[42:41] until May. Um, but the concrete is all done. It's

[42:47] small, but it's there. If you guys have a chance to go look, it's right off of

[42:52] uh Great Field there. And Rich Craig is in our detective's office now and doing

[42:56] a heck of a job. He's been applying for grants and he got he just received a

[43:01] grant from CSX Railroad for 2500 towards a drone.

[43:05] » Oh, that's great. >> Good.

[43:07] » Yeah. >> So, who's back there now?

[43:09] » So, Rich Craig and Jeremy Kramer. >> Okay.

[43:12] » They're they're they're doing very not that

[43:16] » they're just >> Yeah,

[43:17] » we haven't had a detective. Yeah, they're doing very well there.

[43:21] » Good for the both of them. >> Happy to see them there.

[43:24] » Mhm. >> And that's free money. So,

[43:26] » yeah, we always like free money. >> Anything else for this committee?

[43:30] » Um, if anybody's listening, Saturday 8 a.m. Bed build. Anybody wants to come?

[43:37] It's >> fun.

[43:38] » Scarlet will be there. >> Brad's bringing a bunch of friends.

[43:41] » I see. Can I bring this? >> But yes.

[43:46] » Okay. Motion to adjurnn. >> Motion to adjurnn.

[43:48] » Second. A second. Meeting adjourned. [Music]

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