[0:12] if everyone would join me please in standing and say the Pledge of

[0:16] Allegiance I plg to the of the United States of America and to the Republic

[0:22] for it stands one nation under God indivisible ofice for all

[0:32] may I get a roll call Mr Ean yes here Mr castler yes here

[0:39] miss Fields here and can I get a motion for approval

[0:44] of tonight's agenda I'll make a motion to approve the agenda and I'll second

[0:49] that Mr kastler yes Mr rikman yes M Fields yes it's my understanding since

[0:57] we don't have at least three people that were at last month's meeting we will

[1:01] continue the approval of the minutes is that correct yeah yes all right we have

[1:07] one item on this evening's agenda Sims number

[1:11] 20231 silver Springhouse review a final development plan to revise the approved

[1:17] sidewalk size and location along the Snider Road

[1:20] Frontage

[1:25] BR good evening Brian Snider inment you should have a copy of the staff report

[1:30] for this case this is a final development plan modification um the

[1:36] case is 20231 so it was just approved last year

[1:41] um this zone change was approved by the Sims Township

[1:44] trustees um with conditions um and a specific development plan since this is

[1:49] a planned retail District the plan that was approved by

[1:54] the trustees um included U expansion of a parking lot demolition of a house um

[2:01] but the the point of tonight's meeting they approved a 4-ft sidewalk um several

[2:06] feet back from the um edge of pavement of Snider Road basically at the back of

[2:10] the rideway where our sidewalk would typically typically be

[2:14] constructed um that was how the plan was approved by the trustees there was a

[2:19] condition in the um trustees resolution of approval that required the 4ft

[2:24] sidewalk to be constructed

[2:27] um along Snider Road um the final development plan that came

[2:32] in after that um had moved the sidewalk from its location at 4T and several feet

[2:38] back from the road to right up against the road and 6 feet in width um there

[2:44] was some discussion at the time that's what the township plans had showed um

[2:48] that's what the township is planning to construct north of the silver

[2:51] Springhouse property on Sider Road um and this would match that sidewalk

[2:56] however um I believe the applicant can explain it better but um they ran into

[2:59] some situations with constructing that sidewalk where it doesn't make sense to

[3:03] build it there um and they are requesting approval to move it back to

[3:06] the location and the size sorry back to the location where it was approved um as

[3:10] part of the trustees um plan and resolution and also

[3:15] to make it 5T instead of 4T um that's the um subject of the

[3:22] tonight's meeting um staff has no findings other than we did contact the

[3:26] Hamil County Engineer's Office um the County engineer States that um the keny

[3:32] engineer is satisfied with the 5ft sidewalk that is shown on the attached

[3:35] plan that was sent on March 25th 2024 which is the plan that we sent to them

[3:39] um so they're okay with the plan as submitted and as um in front of you for

[3:43] tonight's consideration uh that's all I have I'd

[3:46] be happy to answer any questions am I correct that the sidewalk

[3:50] goes from keer to patrilla um it goes from keer to the

[3:54] edge of the silver Springhouse property that's what they that's what tonight's

[3:59] meeting is about there but then it will continue on to Peto and further north

[4:04] whatever the township builds it yes okay and the sidewalk that's currently along

[4:09] keer is that 4 feet I believe so thank you so basically if I understand it

[4:17] correctly you're going to take what was what we approved what the township

[4:22] approved which was a 5 and 1/2t sidewalk directly adjacent to the street we're

[4:28] going to put a tree line in there 5 1/2t sidewalk you won't have to mess with the

[4:33] utilities that are underground that would be costly to have to deal with

[4:37] with this uh sidewalk essentially yes it was 6 and2 ft at the edge and they're

[4:42] proposing 5 ft the staff report did say 5 and 1/2 ft somewhere but that was an

[4:45] error it's 5T that's their proposal okay all right thanks at the edge of their

[4:51] property line if kind of along north of their property if the sidewalks going to

[4:57] be along the road are they kind of taking into account you know if their

[5:02] sidewalk is going to be back from the road sort of you know tying that in

[5:06] obviously um I I believe they'll have to match the sidewalk that's constructed on

[5:13] the silver Springhouse with whatever sidewalk the township builds down to

[5:16] that point it'll jog in some in some fashion okay and as far as that jogging

[5:21] my recollection is in one of the drawings it was a straight line more

[5:24] like a z is it possible to get more of an S kind of a aesthetically pleasing

[5:29] curve I'm not a sidewalk

[5:32] designer I'm not sure what Ada says about that or anything else maybe we can

[5:36] let the applicant yeah trust that just curious yeah I agree

[5:43] though thank you Brian okay thank you someone here on behalf of the

[5:48] applicant you could identify yourself and give us an

[5:56] address my name is Brian D with Cincinnati United contractor is

[5:59] representing the slver Spring House at 7143 East keer Road Cincinnati Ohio

[6:05] 45249 um so to answer some of the questions um one being the the reasoning

[6:12] behind the design so we have always shown a 4T sidewalk um in the RightWay

[6:19] but it's been up away from the street and we do that for several reasons one

[6:25] is to match the current sidewalk that's along East keer Road which is set back

[6:29] from the road number two for the safety of pedestrians

[6:33] and uh patrons of the business and then number three it's most cost

[6:37] effective so um when we we originally proposed

[6:42] that and then you know when it got switched uh right after the trustees

[6:46] meeting uh went to the face of the road and then uh we want are now looking back

[6:52] to go to our original plan which is closer into the into the right of way

[6:57] and if you could see we

[7:02] have the sidewalk connecting up to the existing intersection to where it's

[7:07] going to be right there so you can people can walk across the intersection

[7:10] and it goes all along the way goes through this uh with the ramps through

[7:16] this Drive Entrance and then it comes all the way up here towards the northern

[7:20] property line of the residence here and then right now we've dedicated 50t right

[7:25] away here and here this one currently only has a 30t so what we did is yeah we

[7:30] did kind of a z if you will and and joged it back to that 30 foot RightWay

[7:37] position so um if if an S works for you guys to that's no big deal um we were

[7:43] just trying to transition it back to that 30 right away so were those all the

[7:48] questions that I answer everything I I guess the the only

[7:52] question I have and I don't know whether you know this or not is why did it

[7:57] switch from the original plan to the now current plan I mean was that a the

[8:02] township requested that or the trustees or what happened yeah the town the

[8:07] administration requested that uh right after the trustee meeting and before the

[8:12] final um Planning Commission meeting okay you don't know why though uh the

[8:18] only only idea I have why is because they were afraid of parking people

[8:22] parking along the street and thought that putting that sidewalk against the

[8:27] street would prevent people from parking that's the only thing that I've got on

[8:31] so there's going to be between what you're proposing between the sidewalk

[8:36] and the street they'll be some kind of grassy area is there going to be any uh

[8:42] landscaping or anything no no trees we're not allowed to put that in the

[8:46] right of way okay grass yes grass okay does that mean the existing no parking

[8:53] signs will be done as well those no parking signs uh are actually put up by

[8:58] Hamilton County um so we don't have jurisdiction in

[9:03] those okay go ahead oh I was just going to say

[9:07] yeah that I think having that be more of a gradual kind of yeah kind of s sort of

[9:14] transition would be easier for you know I think like Wheelchairs and people with

[9:18] strollers and things like that um but is the continuation of the sidewalk from

[9:25] where your portion ends to patrilla is that going to be the same

[9:30] wther is that for some reason I me he probably doesn't know but uh I could

[9:34] probably find out I have I do have drawings of the engineer if you really

[9:38] that car suck it open on the no I mean I know that the trustees had approved

[9:44] putting sidewalk in all the way North keer all the way I think to Fields erles

[9:49] but I don't know exactly how they're going to do that I mean just based on

[9:54] what they did on Union Cemetery I think some you know they they take the most

[9:58] effective route you don't have to worry about it yeah what's that they'll match

[10:02] it up I just thought if you knew for some reason I thought it was going to be

[10:05] larger but it just makes sense to take the existing and blend it in yeah yeah

[10:11] um

[10:30] it looks

[10:34] like that's passive right I think that's the next street down after petrill

[10:40] they're showing it all against the road which against the road they have it as 6

[10:43] and 1/2 ft wide against the road so there's limited there's limited existing

[10:48] right away north of here and when you get it that close to the road you have

[10:52] to build the square curve and you have to build it wider so people can walk

[10:54] further away from the Cars makes sense yeah so if Springhouse puts theirs

[11:01] in and then a year from now or 6 months or two years from now whatever the time

[11:05] period is I have 5 ft and then a larger is does

[11:10] it is it a gradual or is it just it stops at five and then it suddenly

[11:14] becomes six it'll widen out in whatever way they can figure out how to make it

[11:18] widen out I've seen it where one p one square is five and one square is six and

[11:24] it just looks horrible like if you look on Union

[11:28] Cemetery where they curve is and it's right against I mean you can't it's you

[11:33] can't really tell I mean uh any questions for

[11:39] Brian all right thank all right thank you is there anyone else here that would

[11:44] like to speak in favor or against the curent design

[11:50] proposal had to go through the formality uh with that I'd like to close tonight's

[11:55] public hearing and open it up to discussion among the board I think our

[12:01] thoughts are pretty straightforward yeah I mean in the

[12:06] motion do we want to specifically kind of state about a curvature or can that

[12:10] just sort of do we want it in the motion or is it just sort of a recommendation

[12:14] can we is there any reason we can't recommend

[12:19] it um I I don't I don't know exactly what you would say or how enforceable

[12:24] that is like you you want the the transition to be curved in nature no the

[12:30] sidewalk yeah the transition between the sidewalks to be curved in nature instead

[12:33] of square I'm not sure I I don't know I

[12:39] mean yeah we don't want to create any more problems like because they realize

[12:44] that there's some electric Junction or whatever that is now impacted you

[12:49] know you know what we'd like if you can do it fantastic if you run the

[12:54] complications we don't want to make it any more challenging right no problem

[12:59] all right I'll make a motion to approve the uh Sims

[13:05] 20231 uh as requested I'll second roll Mr castler yes M Fields yes

[13:17] Mr re yes excellent uh any old business thanks for your time thank thank you

[13:24] guys sorry we couldn't give you more of a

[13:27] challenge I've you're not used to this no I'm not I

[13:31] think this is the history of s c have attended a sprous

[13:36] meeting thank you uh any new business we'll have a meeting in May it's mle 7

[13:43] Brew coming back to make some modifications for their final was that

[13:48] approved last month or was it tabled yes it was okay and they're just changing

[13:52] well that was one of the issue with the eement and the parking and yeah any

[13:57] administrative matters no motion to adjourn I'll make that motion

[14:02] I'll second here's alone Mr castler I M Fields yes that's

[14:08] right yes no

Symmes Township - Zoning Commission - April 17, 2024

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