[0:08] This is the SEPTEMBER 3, 2026

[0:12] regular meeting of the Fire and

[0:15] Police Commission. PRESIDENT

[0:18] Commissioners, Burgos Evans

[0:20] found Remy Schneider, Spence,

[0:22] well, Paterson and myself,

[0:23] Commissioner Horwitz also

[0:25] present at the see Executive

[0:28] Director Leon Tad and Deputy

[0:29] Director Jake, who said

[0:32] director, please proceed with

[0:34] the agenda. Thank you. MADAM

[0:35] Chair. Before we proceed with

[0:36] the agenda, if I can beg your

[0:39] indulgence, I would just like

[0:41] to make a brief announcement

[0:44] yet. We announcement. I do want

[0:46] to say publicly and acknowledge

[0:47] that our Deputy director j p

[0:48] Usyk will be leaving the fpc

[0:51] very shortly. This is his last

[0:52] week with the ftc's. He's

[0:55] moving on to bigger and better

[0:57] things. Has had the honor of

[0:58] being appointed a circuit court

[1:00] judge for Milwaukee County.

[1:01] So he'll be joining the

[1:04] judiciary very soon. And I just

[1:05] want to one congratulate him on

[1:09] that. And also acknowledged

[1:11] that this well, it is good for

[1:19] him is a no less than great

[1:26] This is a a loss for the Fpc

[1:27] deputy director Psac has been a

[1:33] a great asset to the fpc both

[1:33] adviser to myself helping to

[1:37] push things forward in terms

[1:38] of constitutional police seen

[1:42] community in problem oriented

[1:44] policing advocating for that

[1:46] educating need to a greater

[1:48] extent on that. He's been

[1:50] fantastic working with the

[1:52] staff and he has done a lot

[1:55] to improve the fire and police

[1:57] commission and push things

[1:58] forward here. That said as good

[2:02] as deputy director that I think

[2:03] I he is. I think he will make

[2:05] an even better judge. She's

[2:07] going to be fantastic both in

[2:08] terms of substantive and

[2:10] procedural justice, a

[2:14] commitment to fairness and

[2:16] equity. And just a top notch

[2:18] keen legal minds. So again,

[2:20] many thanks a j. Appreciate

[2:21] everything you've done and

[2:22] congratulations. Thank you.

[2:24] Thank you. Director Todd and I

[2:25] just want to say a couple of

[2:26] words. I know everybody wants

[2:27] to get to that microphone

[2:30] tonight and to make your

[2:33] comments. But and first, I just

[2:35] want to think that the ftc

[2:37] staff, those most of those

[2:38] folks are not transparent.

[2:38] He all the they work behind the

[2:41] scenes to support the work that

[2:43] the board does. It's a it's

[2:43] a fairly large full-time staff

[2:48] to about 30 people. They do

[2:50] tremendous work to both

[2:52] oversee, investigate an audit.

[2:54] The public safety departments

[2:56] here in the city and they do

[2:58] really great work in that

[2:59] capacity. They also do the

[3:00] hiring testing in promoting

[3:03] to try to get the best people

[3:04] possible into the public safety

[3:05] departments. And it's sometimes

[3:10] thankless work. It's difficult,

[3:12] but it's been a real honor for

[3:13] me to be the person that's

[3:16] actually primarily what my job

[3:17] is. Ben, in this role is to

[3:21] help support and guide those

[3:23] folks in their work. And I just

[3:24] want to call out that work and

[3:27] thank them for the dedication

[3:27] that they have serving the

[3:29] community of Milwaukee also

[3:31] wanted to thank the

[3:32] commissioners here for the

[3:33] dedication and the work that

[3:34] they do to try to make sure

[3:38] that public safety is honoring

[3:40] the best practices that that

[3:42] we can find a around the

[3:43] country. And finally, I want

[3:48] to thank you all. Thank you for

[3:49] being here. The enthusiasm, the

[3:51] persuasive arguments, the

[3:53] passion that you all bring a

[3:56] every time this forward meats

[3:59] is really needed. And I'm

[4:00] always so happy to see all I'm

[4:06] glad to see such a big turnout

[4:10] here tonight. I really believe

[4:16] enforcement and public safety.

[4:16] It's a really valuable thing

[4:17] for a community to have.

[4:18] It doesn't always work

[4:20] perfectly right. And we know

[4:23] that. But it is something and

[4:24] it is important policing in a

[4:27] democracy means being

[4:29] transparent. With the people

[4:32] and it means working with the

[4:33] people. It's too figure out

[4:34] what law enforcement and

[4:36] policing and problem solving

[4:38] looks like. For the citizens of

[4:41] the community. And this board

[4:43] helps tried to. Accomplish that

[4:45] and link the community with the

[4:53] public safety departments to

[4:53] hopefully find ways that the

[4:54] department's can conform their

[4:55] conduct. What? The needs of the

[4:56] people are. So thank you all

[4:59] for being here. This wouldn't

[5:00] work without you. And so this

[5:00] is democracy in action. And

[5:04] it's really beautiful to see.

[5:05] So happy to see you all.

[5:08] It's certainly been a great

[5:08] honor for me to serve you all

[5:12] and the people of Milwaukee in

[5:12] this role. And I'm super

[5:13] excited to have the opportunity

[5:16] to continue to serve the people

[5:19] of Milwaukee County in my new

[5:22] role. So thank you all.

[5:31] Thank you, Jay. All right.

[5:32] We'll move on and get into the

[5:35] substance will begin with item

[5:36] number one. Public comment for

[5:37] those who would like to speak

[5:37] and are here in person, please

[5:41] come to sit at the front table

[5:42] when your name is called.

[5:42] If your appearing virtually in

[5:44] every registered in advance

[5:46] to speak, please use the raise

[5:46] my hand feature in the webinar

[5:49] tools and unmute yourself when

[5:49] called upon to speak. Each

[5:53] person will be given up to 5

[5:56] minutes to speak. I would

[5:57] there's a lot of people here.

[5:57] So out of respect for

[5:58] everybody, if everybody can

[6:00] limit their their statements to

[6:02] 5 minutes so we can get to

[6:04] everybody that would be greatly

[6:05] appreciated. And as we usually

[6:06] do, we will begin a always do.

[6:09] We will begin with people here

[6:13] or here in person starting with

[6:16] Alondra Garcia.

[6:23] Good evening.

[6:25] Good evening. When asked that

[6:25] of this, my name isn't on that

[6:26] icm where PRESIDENT

[6:29] Representing both as a lot from

[6:30] that on member lead

[6:30] organization that fights for

[6:34] work or immigrant and student

[6:35] rights in Wisconsin. We are

[6:36] here to respectfully ask the

[6:37] fire and police commission to

[6:40] not. We know the city grant

[6:42] with Flock. In late JUNE.

[6:43] 12th through the JULY 4

[6:44] weekend, we witnessed our own I

[6:47] surge in Milwaukee and

[6:49] throughout the state. This

[6:50] involved in the majority of

[6:51] cases unmarked vehicles

[6:54] surrounding and blocking our

[6:55] neighbors. So they left their

[6:57] homes and on masked and armed

[6:59] ice agents breaking windows

[7:01] and in some cases using a

[7:03] warrant in physical violence

[7:04] against people, including

[7:06] mothers and fathers who were

[7:07] physically mistreated and torn

[7:09] away from their children and

[7:12] loved ones. Our neighbors are

[7:13] not.

[7:16] Criminals, but the actions of

[7:17] ice are criminal. The continued

[7:19] use of excessive force leading

[7:22] to murder, followed the I

[7:24] search in Milwaukee. How can

[7:26] anyone in Milwaukee feel safe

[7:29] that the data mpd collects will

[7:31] be used to protect them when

[7:32] the federal government

[7:32] demonstrate its desire to

[7:33] implement racist policies and

[7:37] the use of violence and claims

[7:38] of immunity when so much of our

[7:40] personal data is being used

[7:41] and exploited for the profit

[7:44] and benefit those who already

[7:46] have immense power, whether in

[7:48] the federal government or

[7:48] private corporations, including

[7:51] the use of facial recognition

[7:52] technology and other

[7:53] digital data identifies.

[7:54] It is my hope that Milwaukee be

[7:56] an example of best practices.

[7:59] We asked you to vote to not

[8:00] when no flock, which would make

[8:03] our city less safe. Thank you.

[8:25] Kaye Lafond.

[8:26] I guess I'll just keep my

[8:27] comments brief. I think every

[8:28] time I come here and tell you

[8:31] how scared I am. I'm getting

[8:35] more and more scared. I have

[8:36] to imagine you all are as well.

[8:36] Things are starting to feel

[8:37] really particularly dystopian.

[8:40] I think I saw that we're gonna

[8:42] sign out there.

[8:43] It's just long past time to

[8:46] just put an end to this.

[8:49] This is just too much. I also

[8:50] wanted to say

[8:51] it's not enough to just ban

[8:55] flock, cancel o'clock contract.

[8:56] We should be disallowing any

[8:56] use of automatic license plate

[8:59] reader software in our city.

[9:08] I also want to say that the

[9:09] recent action to it simply

[9:10] limit access to the flock

[9:12] database, restricted to

[9:16] supervisors brings me no

[9:17] comfort and it feels like I do

[9:18] kind of like throwing us a bone

[9:20] to put us off of our goal, but

[9:22] we will not be put off. We will

[9:23] not stop until there are no

[9:26] more cameras in the city.

[9:29] Thank you.

[9:40] Emilio to Tory.

[9:43] Good evening. Good evening.

[9:46] Fire and police commissioners

[9:48] and director time. The judge,

[9:52] Turner's hope that you had a

[9:53] restful AUGUST.

[9:56] The mayor's proposed changes to

[9:57] police officers access to the

[9:57] flock. Surveillance cameras

[9:59] aren't surprising considering

[10:00] the overwhelming public outrage

[10:00] is more and more examples of

[10:02] law enforcement misuse of this

[10:05] mass surveillance tool come out

[10:06] every week. We've seen rampant

[10:07] abuse not only within the

[10:09] Milwaukee Police Department,

[10:09] but even in the I d and in

[10:13] cities across Wisconsin, in

[10:14] the country misuse of flock,

[10:15] surveillance systems is so

[10:16] pervasive. The national

[10:17] investigation was just launched

[10:19] by the U.S. Senate Judiciary

[10:20] Committee.

[10:21] Milwaukee's flock failures have

[10:21] caused national headlines

[10:22] showing it doesn't seem

[10:24] possible to keep this mass

[10:26] surveillance system out of the

[10:26] hands of unethical people who

[10:30] use it to terrorized women.

[10:31] They're sworn to protect the

[10:32] mayor's recent proposal is a

[10:32] last-ditch attempt to convince

[10:33] Milwaukee that the ongoing

[10:34] threat of officer abuse of

[10:36] flock can be fixed with just a

[10:37] few little tweaks. That is

[10:41] nothing wrong with mass

[10:41] surveillance. On top of this

[10:42] national outcry, the city is

[10:44] preparing to hold more than a

[10:44] dozen budget hearings in the

[10:45] next 2 months. The Common

[10:49] Council and the recent letter

[10:50] to the mpd in the Fpc indicated

[10:50] that the police department's

[10:52] continued problems with

[10:53] officers abusing flock must be

[10:54] addressed before takes up the

[10:55] budget. The mayor will soon

[10:56] propose can the mayor and the

[10:59] chief really just have a chat

[11:00] and skip the Fpc and Common

[11:01] Council whose job is to ensure

[11:02] that the department is

[11:04] accountable for the use of its

[11:06] surveillance tools. We can't

[11:08] have public safety without the

[11:08] public. Slight changes in

[11:09] procedure aren't enough to

[11:11] protect the people of Milwaukee

[11:13] from this constant

[11:14] surveillance. Milwaukee needs

[11:14] assurances that mpd and the

[11:15] city will end their contract

[11:18] and data sharing with flock.

[11:18] According to the most recent

[11:22] data from ipv m and the company

[11:22] that makes unknowns flock

[11:24] flock, scans, everyone, not

[11:26] just suspects. That's a quote.

[11:27] Fox on figure of 20 billion

[11:30] monthly reads across more than

[11:31] 5,000 agencies means the

[11:32] average American vehicles red

[11:34] roughly 70 times per month.

[11:37] This mass surveillance tactic

[11:38] is just not acceptable. The

[11:40] mpd and mayor suggested changes

[11:42] will do nothing to mitigate

[11:44] this. Equally troubling is how

[11:45] the mpd escorted review by the

[11:46] public Fpc in the Public Safety

[11:46] Committee by having the

[11:48] purchasing Department of the

[11:51] Department of Administration

[11:51] approve exceptions to bidding

[11:54] and waivers of financial

[11:55] finance and personnel committee

[11:56] approval for single source

[11:57] contracts in an apparent

[11:59] attempt to perpetually purchase

[12:00] new flock equipment and renew

[12:02] their contract with flock over

[12:03] and over again. They do this

[12:06] because there are exceptions

[12:08] to city charter section 16.

[12:09] 0, 5, 0, 2, which covers

[12:09] purchasing and competitive

[12:10] bidding. With contracts to be

[12:13] approved by the Finance and

[12:14] Personnel Committee. It was

[12:14] called to fight to ensure that

[12:15] service agreements abide by

[12:17] public and open competitive

[12:18] selection process is and public

[12:20] scrutiny to ensure money is

[12:21] being spent fairly. However,

[12:24] an agency can file exceptions

[12:25] to bid forms and waivers if the

[12:27] things being purchased for less

[12:29] than $50,000 where they are

[12:30] proprietary approved waivers

[12:32] and exceptions think it folded

[12:33] into a big pile of things that

[12:34] don't necessarily cross the

[12:37] desks of the fpc or public

[12:38] safety. Why? Because the

[12:38] purchasing division of the

[12:40] Department of Administration

[12:41] has been granting these waivers

[12:42] and exceptions according to

[12:46] Section 16. 0, 5, 0, 4, a which

[12:48] allows us so now Rhonda Kelsey

[12:49] over purchasing among others, a

[12:49] deal way have indefinitely

[12:51] extended impede his

[12:52] relationship with flock to

[12:54] these loopholes. This happened

[12:56] multiple times in 2022. 23.

[12:59] 24 25 and it's probably

[13:00] happening again now. I believe

[13:01] the police are being coached to

[13:03] do this by flock. These types

[13:03] of tactics. And there it is.

[13:06] a broadly discussed in flocks

[13:07] guide entitled how to speak to

[13:10] the city council's about public

[13:11] safety technology. We're

[13:11] morbidly instructs police to

[13:14] own the narrative before

[13:15] someone else does. The handbook

[13:17] highlights how flocking police

[13:18] can team up to convince cities

[13:19] to buy and keep its

[13:19] surveillance technology.

[13:22] Even when there is widespread

[13:25] public opposition to it.

[13:26] And let's be real flocks

[13:27] lobbying and government

[13:27] strategy. Teams will fund and

[13:28] world class they have. Brian.

[13:29] Lots of the former

[13:31] communications director for

[13:32] PRESIDENT Trump's 2016

[13:33] transition team. They work with

[13:34] the bgr group, one of the

[13:36] largest and wealthiest on the

[13:37] planet and among others, Kevin

[13:38] Kane, who was YouTube,

[13:39] government affairs director in

[13:40] the public policy director

[13:41] lobbyist for Twitter before

[13:43] that. So imagine how they can

[13:46] advise police to get what they

[13:48] want. And so I ask you, has the

[13:48] mpd again applied for

[13:49] exceptions to bidding and

[13:50] waivers to committee approval

[13:53] for a single source. Contracts

[13:53] like flock, according to the

[13:54] records they do this months in

[13:55] advance, which would put us

[13:57] near the date where they would

[13:58] have asked is this recent

[13:59] announcement from the mayor's

[14:02] office just so much pr to keep

[14:03] the contract? Can the fpc make

[14:04] a recommendation that the

[14:05] police department notified them

[14:06] immediately and publicly when

[14:07] they're going to apply for

[14:09] exceptions to bidding waivers

[14:10] before applying for them so

[14:11] that the civilian oversight

[14:14] body and the body and the me

[14:15] to wear the ftc needs to

[14:17] recommend that the mp the end

[14:18] and not renew a contract with

[14:20] flock or any other automated

[14:22] surveillance like it. How mpd

[14:22] has been doing it seems to

[14:23] circumnavigate the very core of

[14:26] what public oversight is

[14:27] supposed to be. Its yield go

[14:29] daddy. And Mommy says no rooms.

[14:30] The recent letter from the

[14:32] mayor and police about a new

[14:32] guardrails is not binding, not

[14:33] transparent, does not protect

[14:36] us from federal access to all

[14:37] this data and not believable

[14:38] considering how we've seen it

[14:40] exploded everywhere already

[14:41] this easily be used technology

[14:42] and sneaky way. It's been

[14:44] renewed over and over again

[14:46] reaffirms our conviction that

[14:47] Milwaukee was and diction to

[14:48] mass surveillance and not renew

[14:51] the contract with Flock.

[14:54] Thank you

[15:06] earthquake.

[15:12] Good evening. My name is Amanda

[15:13] Mark. Weigh in on the policy

[15:16] and advocacy director for the

[15:18] aclu of Wisconsin. And as I

[15:19] described from this chair many

[15:19] times, Milwaukee surveillance

[15:22] infrastructure is a sprawling

[15:24] Penndot to come. In addition

[15:25] to flock to an attack in Axon

[15:27] Alprs mpd serve ails us with

[15:29] cell site simulators, alternate

[15:30] stingrays, gun shot detection,

[15:31] microphones, drones, open

[15:32] source intelligence tools

[15:34] scraping the Internet for

[15:35] personal data in Geo-fencing

[15:36] data including data extracted

[15:38] from the dark Web. Her

[15:39] reporting on a contract and

[15:40] entities community connect

[15:41] integrated public and private

[15:42] surveillance camera network

[15:47] through an axon product called

[15:48] few sus 1200. And 25 life.

[15:50] He cameras blanketing the city

[15:50] that mpd can perform.

[15:53] Ai-powered image recognition

[15:55] searches like woman Maroon

[15:58] jacket with within a particular

[15:58] radius. Stingrays are only

[15:59] supposed to be used with a

[16:03] warrant, but mpd has so key

[16:04] for those. All the other stuff

[16:05] I listed and he deploys without

[16:08] a warrant supported by probable

[16:09] cause. Most of this dystopian

[16:10] technology was acquired as has

[16:11] been mentioned through no-bid

[16:13] sole source contracts that

[16:15] bypassed the Common Council's

[16:16] approval. And it relies on

[16:16] these rubber stamp sign-ups

[16:18] from the apartment

[16:19] administration purchasing

[16:21] division to obtain terrifyingly

[16:22] powerful, integrated artificial

[16:23] intelligence driven

[16:23] surveillance tech without

[16:26] Milwaukee residents knowledge

[16:29] let alone consent if you sis

[16:30] sole source contract, no stop

[16:31] open source intelligence, no

[16:34] stop stingrays. Sole source

[16:34] contract, no stop. And then we

[16:37] have flock, sole source

[16:38] contract.

[16:39] It's interesting to see the

[16:41] mayor take action now. That

[16:43] Flock is a political liability

[16:44] last year when it came to light

[16:45] that mpd use facial recognition

[16:47] technology for at least 5 years

[16:48] in secret without a policy in

[16:50] place. The mayor said he was

[16:52] supportive of thoughtful

[16:54] application of effort. He by

[16:56] mpd in FEBRUARY when former

[16:58] mpd officer host, we made

[16:59] national headlines for

[16:59] searching Flock 129 times.

[17:03] The stock is partner and her ex

[17:03] crickets from the mayor on

[17:04] March 5th, this room was packed

[17:06] with people tested and

[17:07] testifying against Flock on

[17:08] MARCH. 11th for members of the

[17:10] Common Council sent a letter

[17:11] to the ftc with urgent concerns

[17:12] regarding Flock. Another

[17:14] surveillance second, Milwaukee

[17:16] in JULY when criminal charges

[17:17] were filed against mpd,

[17:17] internal affairs detective

[17:20] tried to Chapman for allegedly

[17:21] using flock to track to

[17:22] people's locations. The mayor

[17:23] said he still supports the use

[17:24] of flock and quote, we should

[17:25] embrace technology and policing

[17:28] when it's done the right way.

[17:30] In Wisconsin since DECEMBER.

[17:32] Appleton, Ashland, should tech

[17:34] Dane County Fitchburg Grand

[17:36] Chute, Kenosha, Kaukauna, uw

[17:37] Madison Police. Mcfarland

[17:39] Marinette nationally Scott

[17:41] Sheboygan, Stout and student

[17:44] Sturgeon Bay Verona and Racine

[17:45] have either canceled or not.

[17:46] Renewed flock contracts begged

[17:47] cameras are taking steps

[17:49] towards canceling a contract

[17:51] news that broke when we were

[17:52] just waiting in the hallway

[17:53] about why Sheboygan abruptly

[17:54] bagged their cameras and are

[17:56] working to cancel the contract

[17:57] earlier this summer, a flock

[17:59] sales rep reached out to

[18:01] Sheboygan. Is engineering

[18:03] department offering to sell the

[18:04] city 5 years worth of data on

[18:05] traffic speeds and movements

[18:09] captured by these flock cameras

[18:10] in the city of Sheboygan, which

[18:11] was news to Sheboygan. The

[18:15] flock was even collecting any

[18:16] of that data for years on

[18:17] AUGUST. 25th 12 of the 15

[18:17] members of the Milwaukee Common

[18:18] Council sent a letter to mpd

[18:21] and the Fpc about flock with

[18:24] a request for data. And there's

[18:25] some very specific reforms on

[18:26] AUGUST. 28th Texas Governor

[18:27] Greg Abbott announced he was

[18:29] blocking state agencies from

[18:31] spending money on flock cameras

[18:32] on AUGUST 31st. Florida

[18:33] Governor Ron DeSantis ordered

[18:37] the state dot to revoke alpr

[18:38] permits on

[18:39] state roads then on AUGUST

[18:40] 31st. Mayor Johnson issued a

[18:42] press release about changes

[18:45] and how mpd uses flock. Nothing

[18:47] codified and stop. It's Common

[18:47] Council Finance Chair Dimitri

[18:48] much told urban Milwaukee she

[18:51] doesn't, quote, legislate by a

[18:52] letter.

[18:53] Chief Norman told the press

[18:55] that he still a little confused

[18:56] about why I said mpd needs to

[18:56] get a warrant supported by

[19:00] probable cause for Al pr use,

[19:00] end quote, How a warrant would

[19:03] address a real-time situation.

[19:04] The vehicle's movements

[19:04] learning in regard to that this

[19:08] is all a public space end

[19:10] quote. I'm a little Chief

[19:12] Norman, thanks from a 4th

[19:13] Amendment perspective. The mp's

[19:13] dragnet collection of likely

[19:16] millions of images of vehicles

[19:18] and plates of people driving to

[19:18] work to church, to protests, to

[19:19] events, to medical

[19:23] appointments, to union meetings

[19:24] in this city, their store by a

[19:25] multi-billion dollar company.

[19:26] For ai ai powered searches and

[19:27] predictive analytics. It's no

[19:28] different than an officer

[19:31] standing on the corner, writing

[19:31] down plate numbers. The Fpc,

[19:33] the Common Council, the mayor

[19:36] and mpd. Please get rid of this

[19:39] dangerous contract and also

[19:39] begging you for very basic

[19:41] transparency and democracy in

[19:41] the policymaking process

[19:44] surrounding all surveillance

[19:45] tech acquisition, a commitment

[19:46] that ultimately ensures our

[19:47] community's future remains

[19:50] rooted in the consent of the

[19:53] governed. Thank you.

[20:04] The Poli in Jones.

[20:26] It probably wonder how got this

[20:27] picture right? I found a

[20:30] citizens complaint and this is

[20:33] what happened. In Waukesha

[20:35] County. I'm just going to read

[20:42] some of my. Documents from my

[20:43] This is from Lieutenant Ken

[20:43] Krause. He took Captain Panas

[20:46] and the tenant Corey Farrell.

[20:52] County Sheriff?

[20:55] So I was I was put over in a

[20:56] private parking lot. Start with

[20:56] that advise him that the

[20:59] parking lot was public property

[21:00] that a tie. I advised him that

[21:01] the parking that was not public

[21:02] property that is privately

[21:07] owned and up with open for

[21:08] public use. I'm just going to

[21:11] skip some part 2 to about 5

[21:19] Deputy Shayhorn was advised

[21:20] that he did not have a lawful

[21:21] traffic stopped us. The suspect

[21:22] cannot be compelled to provide

[21:24] his identification and it was

[21:24] not a consensual encounter

[21:27] since he activated his

[21:32] emergency lights.

[21:33] And that's crazy. Because then

[21:38] on JUNE, 11th get something

[21:39] from the captain saying my

[21:40] allegation, you allege to a

[21:41] traffic stop was conducted

[21:42] without causing arrested

[21:43] without probable cause and it

[21:45] was unfounded. I'm not going to

[21:49] be more of that. This is

[21:51] This comes from the Waukesha

[21:56] County Sheriff's. These are

[21:58] flock records. I did a citizens

[21:58] complaint and I met with being

[22:02] tracked on flock, hundreds and

[22:03] hundreds of times.

[22:05] The deputy involved at my

[22:07] lawsuit is about is the one who

[22:08] is conducting a lot of these

[22:09] searches, the lieutenant, his

[22:12] lieutenant is the one who told

[22:19] him to do it.

[22:21] 179 times on JUNE 10th I was

[22:24] arrested. MAY 4th released with

[22:27] no charges.

[22:38] And only had temporary license

[22:39] plates at the time too on MAY

[22:39] 4th, I'm just going to go to

[22:42] one of the last pages here.

[22:49] JUNE 10th.

[22:52] My license plate on my 2020 bmw

[22:55] is bb 8.24 0, 9,

[22:55] JUNE 10. The research is JUNE

[22:59] 10th researches JUNE 10th, the

[23:00] 179 searches.

[23:04] JUNE 10th, another 179

[23:07] searches.

[23:09] And you guys just think that

[23:13] you guys are just like letting

[23:15] people do this and it happened

[23:18] in Waukesha County. It happened

[23:20] here. We see it.

[23:22] You've got people in court are

[23:23] ready for it. And you guys

[23:26] still want to have this stuff.

[23:29] It's not going to happen to

[23:29] Look where the f#

[23:29] #

[23:32] your son.

[23:39] I happen to him because

[23:43] he's black. That's the only

[23:46] Thank you.

[23:53] I can record a traffic stop

[23:55] my own hometown in Sussex.

[23:56] I can't file a citizens

[23:57] complaint and think that the

[24:01] process is going to go smoothly

[24:01] because there's lieutenant

[24:02] given orders to a patrol

[24:05] officer to investigate himself.

[24:10] Is that happening here? In

[24:13] Milwaukee? Is it happening?

[24:16] I know you guys are going to

[24:19] say anything.

[24:25] How much time to have left his

[24:26] 90 or 50 seconds left.

[24:30] This is my jail wrist band

[24:32] right here.

[24:33] It was a record. A f#

[24:33] #

[24:39] video on my phone. And this is

[24:40] what happens.

[24:42] At least you guys, you guys

[24:47] have dash cams. All right.

[24:54] Back to blow into happens to

[24:55] you. Jay, back the bullet to

[24:57] the happens to you. Kristie,

[24:58] back. The blue into happens to

[24:59] Merriam back. The blue into

[25:00] happens to you, Leon. Back the

[25:01] blue until it happens to you.

[25:02] Christopher, back the blue

[25:04] until it happens to you, Jeff.

[25:13] We just sitting there smirking

[25:16] like this. It's funny. No, it's

[25:16] not funny. I know it's not

[25:17] young. Got a f#

[25:17] #

[25:17] deal with

[25:20] the mental health issues that I

[25:23] have. Okay. You're out of order

[25:26] and you're out time. Yeah.

[25:47] Rachel. Ida buff.

[25:53] Good evening. Good evening,

[25:55] everybody. I'm resigned.

[25:55] Been a history professor and

[25:56] I'll be brief and I know

[25:58] there's 2 things to actually

[26:01] go together. This is a one of

[26:03] the oldest oversight

[26:05] commissions in the country,

[26:06] which is a noble and proud

[26:09] tradition because it says that

[26:10] we think the police need

[26:11] watching, but we think we

[26:13] should not let the police act

[26:15] without having citizen input

[26:19] that having citizen oversight.

[26:19] That's really important.

[26:21] The notion of public safety

[26:23] with which you are charged is

[26:26] transforming radically. We're

[26:28] at an inflection point where

[26:31] technology like flock, an ai

[26:33] threatens all of our basic

[26:34] liberties. People have been

[26:35] much more specific about the

[26:36] 4th Amendment and the various

[26:38] amendments that stakes and I'm

[26:41] going to be right now. But you

[26:44] must take seriously the notion

[26:47] that we need to be tech

[26:47] protected from the safety

[26:50] technology is not by the safety

[26:54] technology.

[26:55] They pose the

[26:57] greatest threat to what we what

[26:59] we think of as our freedom in

[27:00] this country to First Amendment

[27:01] second. That's 4th Amendment.

[27:03] All the things that protect us

[27:05] 10th amendment are being in

[27:06] for infringed upon and the

[27:07] woman he used the phrase just

[27:10] hope in. I think all the time

[27:14] now about the weird horrible

[27:17] trifecta of ai flock and

[27:18] policing and incarceration of

[27:21] our neighbors and and and

[27:22] colleagues and friends and I

[27:25] thank you to intervene in this

[27:28] deadly system.

[27:46] Started, I want to make a stay

[27:48] That's coming after me.

[27:55] Dollars. 15 minutes late start.

[27:58] 5 minute, but this is costly.

[28:05] Sure how they are, right.

[28:09] Tell you all what we want to

[28:10] hear. So I want to just put

[28:11] that out there. This is not

[28:12] democracy. This is a damp

[28:15] control situations and it

[28:18] shouldn't be.

[28:26] Regarding the flock automated

[28:26] license plate readers,

[28:29] constitutional rights, public

[28:32] safety in public trust. Good

[28:34] evening. My name is the mice's

[28:35] and I am here as a member of

[28:39] the public to to consider a

[28:41] fundamental question. What does

[28:43] public safety mean if the

[28:44] methods used to achieve?

[28:45] It undermines the right

[28:46] dignity, privacy and trust of

[28:50] the very people. Governor man

[28:51] is supposed to protect. I'm

[28:51] asking the fire and police

[28:55] commission to and the use of

[28:58] fox Safety and other automated

[28:58] license plate readers

[28:59] surveillance systems in

[29:00] Milwaukee. This is not an

[29:01] argument against public safety.

[29:02] It is an argument for public

[29:06] safety that remain accountable

[29:08] to the public. Milwaukee has

[29:08] already experienced serious

[29:10] concerns regarding the use and

[29:12] potential misuse of flock

[29:13] technology. In MARCH, members

[29:16] of the Common Council warned

[29:19] the Fpc that an officer alleged

[29:20] misuse of the technology for

[29:21] stalking system, systemic

[29:24] oversight problem, not merely

[29:25] an isolated failure. They

[29:28] specifically raised concerns

[29:29] about tracking movement

[29:31] patterns, sensitive location,

[29:33] information, inadequate or

[29:34] editing and the potential

[29:35] impact on survivors of the best

[29:35] domestic violence, journalist,

[29:37] advocates or ordinary

[29:41] residents. Daschle make a stop

[29:43] and think if a technology can

[29:43] create a searchable record

[29:46] where people travel, who they

[29:47] associate with, where they

[29:47] worship, where they seek

[29:49] medical care, where they work,

[29:50] where they protest, where they

[29:52] organize and where they spend

[29:53] their private lives. Then we

[29:55] are no longer talking about an

[29:56] ordinary camera. We are talking

[29:57] about a system capable of

[30:00] creating a digital map of human

[30:02] movement.

[30:04] And once that information is

[30:06] the question is not simply

[30:09] can't it help solve crimes?

[30:11] The question must also be who

[30:13] conservative, who can share it?

[30:15] How long does it exist? Who has

[30:18] what happens when the system

[30:19] is wrong? Artificial

[30:21] intelligence cannot replace

[30:23] human intelligence. We are

[30:24] entering an era where

[30:27] artificial intelligence is

[30:27] increasingly being used to

[30:28] interpret human activity.

[30:30] But artificial intelligence

[30:30] does not possess human

[30:34] conscious. It does not possess

[30:35] natural wisdom. It does not

[30:37] understand human dignity.

[30:38] It does not understand the

[30:40] circumstances of a person's

[30:40] life and it cannot

[30:44] independently determine what is

[30:45] morally just technology can

[30:47] identify a vehicle. It cannot

[30:49] determine a person's character.

[30:50] Technology can identify a

[30:52] pattern. It cannot determine

[30:54] whether that pattern is

[30:55] innocent. Technology can

[30:56] generate an alert. It cannot

[30:58] carry the more responsibility

[30:59] for what happens after that

[31:00] alert. That responsibility

[31:04] belongs to human beings and

[31:06] government power. We should

[31:07] never allow technology

[31:09] capability to become the

[31:10] justification for government

[31:12] authority. The fact that

[31:13] government can collect

[31:13] information does not

[31:18] automatically mean government

[31:19] Safety must include the

[31:21] flock an assist law enforcement

[31:22] in locating stolen vehicles,

[31:26] missing people as suspects and

[31:26] serious crimes. Even Mayor

[31:27] Johnson has point is the second

[31:31] says and wished the technology

[31:33] has assist investigations but

[31:35] cannot be the only measurement.

[31:38] A government program must also

[31:41] be evaluated by necessity.

[31:42] Proportionality, accuracy,

[31:42] accountability, transparency,

[31:44] constitutional compatibility

[31:46] and its effect on innocent

[31:47] people. We cannot create a

[31:48] system where everyone because

[31:49] part of a permanent

[31:52] surveillance infrastructure

[31:53] simply because some people

[31:54] commit crimes, the nsa should

[31:55] not have to surrender their

[31:57] privacy as the price of living

[32:02] in a supposedly free society.

[32:02] Right? Should not depend upon

[32:03] government convenience. Our at

[32:05] tradition recognizes

[32:07] protections against

[32:07] unreasonable government

[32:08] searches and seizures. The 4th

[32:09] Amendment is not a

[32:12] technological document. It is

[32:14] a principle it exists because

[32:16] government power must have

[32:17] boundaries. And Wisconsin's

[32:17] all constitution the clear that

[32:20] people have the right to be

[32:21] secure in their persons.

[32:22] Houses had papers and effects

[32:25] against unreasonable searches

[32:26] and seizures as technology

[32:27] changes the principle

[32:30] protecting human being should

[32:30] not become weaker. If anything,

[32:32] increasingly powerful

[32:35] technology requires a stronger,

[32:36] stronger, say bars. All right.

[32:37] Should not disappear simply

[32:39] because surveillance technology

[32:44] has become more sophisticated

[32:44] natural law and common law

[32:46] principles. I also ask this

[32:47] commission to consider

[32:50] something beyond statutes and

[32:51] policies. What is right before

[32:53] there databases, artificial

[32:54] intelligence, algorithms

[32:58] contracts and surveillance pro

[32:58] you are a time. So if you could

[33:01] briefly conclude that formed

[33:04] human beings exist, it human

[33:04] dignity, existing privacy,

[33:05] existing the right to move

[33:08] their one community without

[33:09] being treated as a perpetual

[33:10] suspect existing the moral

[33:11] principle that government

[33:14] exists to serve the people not

[33:15] to make the people subject of a

[33:15] limited governmental

[33:16] observation. Existing law

[33:17] should be an instrument of

[33:19] justice. Technology should be

[33:24] an instrument of human where

[33:25] fair, neither should become in

[33:26] issue that cannot be measure

[33:29] simply by Costa to stick.

[33:29] Trust where residents believe

[33:31] that their movements can be

[33:31] tracked and search without

[33:34] their knowledge confidence in

[33:35] government. This creases when

[33:36] residents here about his views,

[33:37] they were easily acts. Whether

[33:40] safeguards are actually working

[33:41] when government respond by

[33:43] saying we have policies.

[33:45] The next question should be who

[33:46] independently verify those

[33:47] policies are being followed.

[33:49] Milwaukee officials, their

[33:50] sales have recognized this

[33:52] problem. The Common Council

[34:05] has requested an additional

[34:10] say

[34:14] everyone. It's not about what

[34:17] about trying to dominate things

[34:20] Milwaukee official themself out

[34:21] recognizes problem. The comic

[34:25] con water crested additional

[34:27] reporting. Concern, searches

[34:27] that a Sharon audit, flags of

[34:28] runners alert, a policy

[34:31] violation user access to all

[34:32] sites. The access that tells us

[34:33] something important. The

[34:34] safeguards are not being

[34:37] developed and if the safeguards

[34:38] are still being developed,

[34:39] perhaps the civilian system

[34:39] should not continue operating,

[34:42] though. The question have

[34:42] already been

[34:45] Meryl restrictions are not the

[34:47] same as public Cox in consent.

[34:49] I recognize that the mayor

[34:50] doesn't have not propose

[34:51] significant restrictions on

[34:53] flock use, including limiting

[34:55] access, limited permissible,

[34:55] uses, create a public dash.

[34:56] We're restricting access to

[34:59] Milwaukee's that and establish

[34:59] an independent audit.

[35:01] Appreciate the movement toward

[35:02] greater com belief. But my

[35:03] concern is larger than the

[35:03] restrictions. The question is

[35:04] whether Milwaukee should

[35:07] maintain a civilian

[35:10] infrastructure at all and

[35:11] before entering another

[35:11] contract are continuing as the

[35:12] front Savannah's program that

[35:14] people should have meaningful

[35:15] participation in that decision.

[35:17] A private company should not

[35:18] determine about is a public

[35:19] surveillance. A police

[35:20] department should not be the

[35:23] only institution that term and

[35:24] surveillance and government

[35:27] should not act the public to

[35:30] trust a system simply because

[35:32] government promises oversee

[35:33] self trust requires

[35:34] verification. Cancel the

[35:36] contract, then have the public

[35:37] conference. A conversation.

[35:38] The city already has a

[35:39] documented history of debate

[35:41] over to flock contract. And

[35:41] this renew the contract.

[35:42] The current contract is

[35:45] therefore an opportunity to

[35:46] establish a new principal

[35:46] public safety technology should

[35:49] require public accountability

[35:51] before public deployment.

[35:53] I'm asking the fire Chief Fire

[35:54] Police commission and more can

[35:57] come a costly and the CDs flock

[35:59] safety contract and discontinue

[36:01] fought alpr surveillance,

[36:01] reject the assumption that

[36:02] replace and wants a vote on

[36:03] policy with what with the

[36:06] letter automatically solve the

[36:07] underlying problem, evaluate

[36:08] automatic license plate reader

[36:09] technology, not merely flock,

[36:10] required meaningful community

[36:12] participates before any future

[36:14] surveillance technology is

[36:15] adopted, require independent,

[36:19] not near the internal oversight

[36:21] of any surveillance technology

[36:22] require transparency regarding

[36:28] access. Sharon searches air

[36:29] Stop was a foreseeable

[36:30] consequence were on authorized

[36:31] the roads or misuse protect

[36:33] vulnerable populations,

[36:34] including survivors of domestic

[36:35] violence activists, Donovan

[36:36] journalist imprisoned people

[36:39] exercise their constitutional

[36:40] rights require a demonstration

[36:42] that the technologies necessary

[36:43] and proportionate before

[36:43] government collect information

[36:46] about people who are not

[36:47] suspected of rep

[36:49] wrong door. Prioritize human

[36:50] intelligence community

[36:52] relationship restored to

[36:54] approaches and traditional

[36:54] investigative methods over

[36:57] indiscriminate technological

[36:59] collection. Whenever those

[36:59] methods can accomplish the

[37:01] legitimate public safety

[37:02] objective. The question before

[37:04] us, ultimately, this is not

[37:06] about whether Flock is a good

[37:08] company, is not even primary

[37:09] about whether flock cameras

[37:11] sometimes help Ollie's. The

[37:13] question is what kind of

[37:13] society are we building are

[37:14] rebuild the community for

[37:16] government work with the

[37:18] people. Where are we build a

[37:18] few minutes where the people

[37:19] most commonly prove that they

[37:20] are innocent while government

[37:23] continuously collects

[37:24] information about them. Are we

[37:25] using artificial intelligence

[37:27] to enhance human judgment or

[37:29] are we gradually allow

[37:30] technology replace? Just me.

[37:33] Are we creating safety through

[37:34] traffic or recreate complies?

[37:35] Do surveillance? I believe

[37:36] Milwaukee can do better.

[37:37] We can create a model public

[37:39] safety and uses intelligence

[37:42] without sacrificing with them.

[37:44] Technology without sacrificing

[37:44] humanity. Accountability

[37:46] without sacrificing security.

[37:48] Without sacrificing being the

[37:51] tea public safety and human

[37:53] rights should not be enemies.

[37:54] They should be partners.

[37:55] And of technology cannot upper

[37:56] operate without plays. A

[37:59] fundamental rights and public

[38:00] there perhaps the most

[38:03] intelligent use of technology

[38:05] respectfully ask the fire and

[38:06] police commission to listen to

[38:07] the people and flocks of rose

[38:08] in Milwaukee and help us.

[38:11] That was a standard where human

[38:12] dignity, not technological

[38:12] capability of the highs measure

[38:15] of public safety. And we thank

[38:18] you.

[38:44] Director how much time was

[38:46] and 30 seconds. Art? I did stop

[38:48] the clock, but it was well over

[38:53] 10 minutes at 9.15, minutes.

[38:54] Know you can see juror time

[39:01] over. It was 10 minutes.

[39:04] I'm speaking okay. I've got

[39:06] the mic.

[39:09] If we started out this meeting

[39:11] saying it to get 5 minutes, if

[39:12] you want to see juror time

[39:15] over, Robert's rules allows you

[39:18] to do that.

[39:19] But we need to track that.

[39:29] So a number of you said, hey,

[39:34] incident. Okay. So that we want

[39:37] but in order for us. To have

[39:38] respect for one another.

[39:39] In in this. This is not

[39:41] necessarily a dialogue that

[39:43] we're having. You come hearing,

[39:46] you speak your mind. Maybe we

[39:48] should have a different form

[39:50] format so that we could have a

[39:52] dialogue. But this is not this

[39:55] is not a dialogue. I'm sorry.

[40:00] So you get 5, you get excuse

[40:04] we you know what we can talk

[40:07] about how to accommodate a

[40:11] okay, but okay. But I'm just

[40:15] telling you in order for us to

[40:16] We have to adhere. To the rules

[40:19] that we've established year.

[40:25] That's all. That's all we're

[40:26] saying. So be respectful.

[40:27] We try to be respectful of you.

[40:31] Be respectful of us. Thank you.

[40:38] And you can talk to me

[40:41] afterwards. If you'd like.

[40:42] The commissioners are trying to

[40:44] be respectful and give

[40:46] everybody an opportunity to

[40:48] speak. That's part of the

[40:49] reason why individual Time's

[40:52] Limited to 5 minutes. I would

[40:53] ask that people be respectful

[40:56] of not. That does allow

[40:59] everybody to have a voice.

[41:00] Many people as possible and

[41:04] individual opinions, which is

[41:10] also very important.

[41:12] People will know. I think that

[41:13] this doesn't need to be said

[41:15] because we just had an example

[41:18] of someone flouting the rules.

[41:20] That does not is not conducive

[41:21] everybody has an opportunity to

[41:24] speak, which is what we

[41:25] ultimately want.

[41:32] The next individuals. Angela

[41:38] That last beautiful, amazing

[41:38] speech. But I will keep it

[41:39] brief because there's a lot

[41:41] more billion people in this

[41:41] room. Money and we all have

[41:45] heard the same things time and

[41:45] time again. So first, I want to

[41:47] say thank you, commissioners.

[41:48] I know you understand and sense

[41:50] the thickness and the

[41:51] frustration and the air and I

[41:53] hope you understand it as a

[41:54] reflection of the passion in

[41:54] this community and how we feel

[41:58] about keeping our community

[41:59] safe. Honestly, I was driving

[42:04] here and yet again, I'm tired.

[42:05] I'm tired of being here.

[42:05] I'm tired of being it is not

[42:06] the first time I sat in front

[42:07] of you all to talk about

[42:12] surveillance, whether it's fr

[42:14] t. Flock cameras. Police

[42:15] chases. It's not the first time

[42:17] I got it. Thanks to a mother's

[42:21] the night. I'm tired, but I'm

[42:22] encouraged. By this crowd.

[42:25] I'm encouraged by the overflow

[42:30] room.

[42:31] Our concerns are valid.

[42:31] And I think sometimes it

[42:33] doesn't feel that they actually

[42:37] are giving comments from the

[42:39] police chief.

[42:42] Just this morning, many of us

[42:43] became aware of how flock

[42:44] cameras have top cops, how to

[42:47] surveil things like no Kings

[42:50] protest.

[42:53] Small parades 4th of JULY.

[42:54] Fireworks even bike races.

[42:56] Pretty sure folks have said

[42:57] that these are supposed to

[42:59] catch violent criminals and

[43:00] missing kids. Why the f#

[43:00] #

[43:04] are

[43:04] we surveilling bike rides.

[43:07] Why are we surveilling? No

[43:10] Kings. Protesters. Curious

[43:12] rhetorical question. Cancel the

[43:15] contract immediately. Point

[43:16] blank period. You know what?

[43:17] I'll even give you a bone.

[43:17] It's okay to say we tried

[43:18] something in a didn't work.

[43:20] We heard from the community

[43:23] were pulling back. I would

[43:24] respect that more. Then the

[43:24] b#

[43:24] #

[43:25] #

[43:25] coming out, the

[43:28] mayor's office and out to norm

[43:29] is about. The latest. Try to be

[43:31] like, Oh, we're gonna we're

[43:32] gonna have parameters. We

[43:33] listen to the community and let

[43:35] me let me give you an exact

[43:36] quote that I looked up from

[43:39] Chief Norman quo. I hope that

[43:39] our community is being

[43:41] appreciative that we are

[43:43] listening in leading into this

[43:44] moment and that they see this

[43:47] as a thoughtful action on the

[43:50] part of mpd.

[43:52] It's not is dangerous is

[43:52] disingenuous. It's

[43:55] disrespectful and it's

[43:58] offensive.

[44:02] It is offensive to the

[44:03] intelligence of the Milwaukee

[44:04] community to think that there

[44:05] could be these backdoor deals.

[44:09] And, you know, we're just going

[44:09] to add parameters. Knowing d#

[44:09] #

[44:10] #

[44:13] well, you are using this for

[44:14] d#

[44:14] #

[44:14] well, police.

[44:15] Former police officers have

[44:16] been caught using this

[44:18] technology for personal reasons

[44:21] to surveil women. And their

[44:24] partners. That is violence.

[44:28] Name of public safety when you

[44:30] are abusing and weaponizing

[44:32] the technology in a way to be

[44:34] violent but saying it will stop

[44:35] violence, make it make the fox

[44:35] and I'm sorry, I'm tired.

[44:38] You're going hear some colorful

[44:42] language tonight.

[44:44] The police chief said we're

[44:44] listening and we're leading in.

[44:45] We hope that they understand

[44:49] the community understand that

[44:50] we're trying. If you're truly

[44:56] listening, you cancel this

[44:59] Not even just tonight.

[45:02] Police chief and the mayor were

[45:06] listening. Have a town hall.

[45:07] I challenge you all 2 and I

[45:08] love this is a one-way

[45:09] conversation. I can say

[45:10] whatever I want, y'all got to

[45:10] take it. And sometimes I like

[45:12] that. But I want to hear got

[45:16] to say. Let's have a dialogue.

[45:17] So I challenge his body.

[45:17] To have a dialogue. So when the

[45:18] police chief says all were

[45:24] listening to the community.

[45:26] If you want an ally.

[45:28] Is he engaging? He comes to

[45:29] the bloc office did come to

[45:31] the Turner that come to the

[45:32] aclu and all the many groups

[45:32] that are represented here and

[45:33] say, hey, I want to be a

[45:34] community, a relationship with

[45:36] you all. I want to figure this

[45:40] out together.

[45:41] Even called him either, ok,

[45:43] challenges body because there's

[45:44] not enough time in the world on

[45:47] a Thursday night to talk about

[45:50] this post. It. But here we are

[45:50] time and time again. And I ask

[45:53] you one, cancel a contract

[45:56] point blank period.

[45:56] And 2, if you want further

[45:57] discussions, I challenge you

[45:59] all to meet us in the community

[46:01] on the north side of Milwaukee,

[46:02] in the black community, on the

[46:03] south side, on the Latino

[46:05] community and have these

[46:06] conversations because

[46:08] respectfully, y'all get to sit

[46:09] behind these desks and you get

[46:14] to go home at the end of the

[46:15] And yet we're here organizing,

[46:16] strategize and into the wee

[46:16] hours having these

[46:19] conversations. I want to hear

[46:20] from you all.

[46:23] Just have to sit here and take

[46:24] whatever we say.

[46:25] I want to hear what you ought

[46:26] to say. So cancel a contract

[46:28] and I'll be looking for email

[46:28] to schedule the next actual

[46:29] town hall. I can hear from you

[46:32] all and where you all stand.

[46:51] Dorky.

[46:59] Good evening. Good evening.

[47:02] Commissioners.

[47:03] So my name is Nicholas second.

[47:05] Mascaras ration cordinator at

[47:06] the Milwaukee Turner's. I would

[47:10] like to start by Sam regulating

[47:10] flock will not work. We've seen

[47:11] officers across the country

[47:13] with walk, get arrested from

[47:13] issues in this technology.

[47:16] So even the threat of arrest

[47:17] isn't working.

[47:20] Now we have a 3rd officer in

[47:21] Milwaukee under investigation

[47:22] who reported that no outside

[47:23] agencies will have access to

[47:25] fly under the mayor's plan.

[47:29] In other words, outside

[47:30] organizations previously had

[47:32] access to Milwaukee, 5, beta

[47:34] up. And so the mayor did the

[47:36] overhaul. And this is after

[47:38] and pd added regulations.

[47:38] How do we know whether the

[47:40] share data made it to the

[47:44] federal government? Who was a

[47:45] share with it? Fusion controls,

[47:46] access to flock cameras and

[47:47] a fusion center is literally an

[47:49] agreement based on data sharing

[47:51] with the federal government.

[47:51] How can we ever know or monitor

[47:55] they share data with them in

[47:56] their back door meetings, the

[47:57] High Intensity Drug Task Force

[47:58] Agency also has a data sharing

[48:00] agreement with the federal

[48:01] government. If we can't trust

[48:03] the police not to stock their

[48:03] go, France under the threat

[48:06] of a rest, how can we trust

[48:07] them to protect our data?

[48:08] The mayor did not report

[48:09] consulting with the community

[48:11] at all. Only law enforcement.

[48:12] I don't understand why law

[48:13] enforcement takes precedent

[48:14] over the people where law

[48:17] enforcement is supposed to

[48:18] serve the people and the where

[48:20] serve seems to be in name only.

[48:21] So what is the true objective

[48:23] of policing in the majority

[48:25] non-white cd like Milwaukee?

[48:27] Is it just control of the

[48:29] people who leads have deemed

[48:30] undesirable? The black

[48:31] community have suffer under

[48:33] police Slate catches and

[48:34] everything but a positive force

[48:36] in our communities as well as

[48:38] Latino community suffering

[48:38] under a similar function

[48:39] because immigration enforcement

[48:40] in this lake catching system

[48:43] have some striking parallels.

[48:45] Both communities fear speaking

[48:46] out against police because of

[48:48] historical injustices and fear

[48:50] retaliation. Do these cameras

[48:51] help these communities feel

[48:52] safe, speaking out against

[48:53] injustice or do they further

[48:55] suppress their freedom of

[48:56] expression? We know it's the

[48:57] latter. As a matter of fact

[49:00] and nothing much to my brother

[49:02] over here.

[49:04] Nonwhite military veteran in

[49:05] Sussex was tracked by Flock

[49:07] cameras after following a

[49:07] lawsuit against the sheriff's

[49:09] department for arresting him

[49:10] for exercising his First

[49:11] Amendment right. Law

[49:13] enforcement is using flock to

[49:14] actively retaliate against

[49:15] citizens for expressing their

[49:19] First Amendment rights and not

[49:19] even serving this country.

[49:21] Has the United States armed

[49:22] forces veteran can save you

[49:25] from over police and the police

[49:26] claim to want to improve

[49:28] community police relations.

[49:29] But they are dead set on spying

[49:30] on Milwaukee residents and then

[49:30] ignoring the community when

[49:33] they express that they value

[49:35] their right to privacy. This

[49:36] directly contradicts the stated

[49:37] aim, considered the

[49:38] psychological effects of mass

[49:40] surveillance with flock as a

[49:41] major tool in the Arsenal.

[49:44] Studies show that mass

[49:47] surveillance causes heightened

[49:48] anxiety, self-censorship loss

[49:49] of control, hypervigilance

[49:52] paranoia. Mass surveillance can

[49:54] also exacerbate existing mental

[49:55] health issues. That being said

[49:57] policy needs to be data driven

[49:59] and data certainly shows that

[50:00] flock cameras are bad. Fox

[50:01] Society, some asking the fire

[50:03] and police commission to work

[50:04] with the Common Council and the

[50:06] mayor to end the contract with

[50:07] Flock is not using all of their

[50:08] automated license plate,

[50:10] reading technology outside of

[50:10] Flock. Thank you for listen.

[50:13] I know that you cannot respond

[50:16] at this time.

[50:30] Samuel Myers.

[50:52] Mary j Kenneth. So that Ariel

[50:55] Winter.

[51:08] Commissioners, my name is Ariel

[51:09] Winter. I live in the fox 4th

[51:10] Aldermanic District. I worked

[51:12] for the aclu and like many here

[51:14] tonight. I am here once again

[51:16] to express my concern with the

[51:17] current mpd fox contract and

[51:20] any future contract for Ale are

[51:21] p technology.

[51:23] Here's a list of all the misuse

[51:25] of flock Quitman across the

[51:27] state of Wisconsin and no

[51:28] particular order. I-94 was shut

[51:31] down. And Amber new well was

[51:33] pulled over at gunpoint with

[51:34] their daughter in the car

[51:35] because Milwaukee police failed

[51:36] to remove a wanted vehicle

[51:39] alert from the system after it

[51:41] already been investigated.

[51:42] She has since lost 2 jobs from

[51:42] this incident and her and her

[51:45] daughter have been left

[51:46] traumatized.

[51:47] In Milwaukee. 2 separate

[51:49] officers have been accused of

[51:52] misusing technology in order to

[51:53] break the law in JULY. Criminal

[51:56] charges were filed against a

[51:57] mpd internal affairs Detective

[51:58] Chapman who allegedly used

[52:00] blocks a lower p technology

[52:01] system to track to individuals,

[52:04] locations, a total of 20 times

[52:05] over the course of one year

[52:05] arrange a slate. This internal

[52:09] affairs detective was entrusted

[52:12] with investigating. Another

[52:13] officer was Allah for using

[52:16] flock to stock a romantic

[52:16] partner and his ex nearly 200

[52:17] times. And now a 3rd invest

[52:20] officers being investigated.

[52:23] And then Sean officer gets jail

[52:25] probation for misusing flock

[52:27] camera system. According to a

[52:28] Washington Post, Mensch Officer

[52:29] Christian Morales use flock to

[52:30] check whether his then

[52:31] girlfriend had gone to a clinic

[52:33] to seek the potential

[52:34] termination of pregnancy.

[52:36] According to an affidavit from

[52:37] an investigating officer with

[52:38] another police department

[52:41] seeking to subpoena flock for

[52:44] records requests and Waukesha,

[52:45] U.S. Navy veteran Napoleon

[52:46] Jones who is here tonight was

[52:47] searched a fog over 100 times

[52:50] after he lawfully recorded a

[52:51] traffic stop. He served his

[52:51] country and now he is being

[52:54] surveilled in his own country.

[52:58] Destruct, disrespectful and

[53:00] disgusting.

[53:02] Kenosha, a former Kenosha

[53:03] County deputy faces 2 felony

[53:04] counts after prosecutors said

[53:04] he misused truck network to

[53:07] track his then girlfriend while

[53:08] off duty. Greenfield. This is

[53:09] not related flex specifically,

[53:13] but another camera surveillance

[53:14] just is why we should not

[53:14] except any b#

[53:14] #

[53:15] #

[53:17] whether its

[53:19] flock axon, any of them.

[53:21] Johnson, the chief of the

[53:23] Greenfield Police Department is

[53:26] facing felony misconduct in

[53:27] office for charges while in

[53:28] starting a installing a

[53:29] department on pole camera on

[53:32] his property during a divorce.

[53:35] Case, anyone's been counting.

[53:35] That has been 7 ce 7 instances

[53:36] of misuse and that is 7

[53:39] instances that we only know

[53:42] what's and Wisconsin census

[53:46] to summer. Appleton, Ashlynn

[53:50] Fitchburg Grand Chute. Kenosha

[53:51] Con a uw-Madison please.

[53:53] Mcfarland marionette man

[53:55] Sheboygan Stone and Surgeon Bay

[53:58] Verona and Racine have taken

[53:58] steps. Iran did. Their flock

[53:59] contracts should also know a

[54:01] lot of these. I feel like have

[54:02] also signed the contract after

[54:04] Milwaukee pd initially signed.

[54:05] There's and have canceled

[54:06] theirs. And the time that we

[54:08] have been fighting to cancel

[54:11] parts.

[54:16] James Lewis, Milwaukee pd is

[54:17] risk manager admitted that they

[54:19] did not have the necessary

[54:20] guardrails in place after 2

[54:21] Milwaukee police officers were

[54:23] charged with misuse of

[54:24] technology. And now mpd has put

[54:25] a considerable amount of time

[54:26] and resources into developing

[54:30] a new audit process to identify

[54:31] and says of Waukee a officers

[54:32] using flock for inappropriate

[54:33] reasons like stalking romantic

[54:34] partners. I can appreciate the

[54:37] steps being taken now. But if

[54:37] you asked me a 25 year-old

[54:41] woman, if I was surprised this

[54:44] happened, I would tell you this

[54:45] was bound to happen. What?

[54:47] But those scenarios are also

[54:48] not the totality of the danger

[54:49] posed by flock that need to

[54:52] be audited. What is the process

[54:53] for auditing out of date or run

[54:55] us information like the case of

[54:57] Amber Newell who and I cannot

[54:58] say this enough was put in a

[55:00] dangerous situation at gunpoint

[55:01] with her daughter in the car

[55:02] because of a lack of data

[55:05] integrity within the Milwaukee

[55:07] Police Department, Colorado

[55:08] police officer was wrongly

[55:10] accused of wrongly accused a

[55:11] woman of theft based on a false

[55:14] flock hit. An Arkansas woman or

[55:14] child were held at gunpoint.

[55:15] Sounds familiar lrp cameras

[55:18] wrongly flick, their car

[55:20] stolen.

[55:22] On JULY 11, the Los Angeles

[55:22] Police Department, the 3rd

[55:24] largest police force in the

[55:26] U.S. Allowed its contract with

[55:26] flock to expire and the la pd

[55:28] deactivated all their flock

[55:29] cameras. The decision followed

[55:31] an internal audit by lapd and

[55:34] journalist Inspector general

[55:36] which found that lapd and

[55:37] investigated 161 car owners

[55:37] whose vehicles were wrongly

[55:41] identified as stolen by Flock.

[55:44] A study close to 1500 flock

[55:45] cameras report in Roseville,

[55:46] California found that the

[55:47] cameras failed to detect

[55:50] license plate. 71 1% of the

[55:52] time.

[55:53] What we're trying to build with

[55:54] this is additional safeguards.

[55:55] Additional guardrails to show

[55:56] accountability to the public

[55:59] said James Lewis amputees risk

[56:01] manager.

[56:02] That framework already exists.

[56:03] We've been telling you exist.

[56:04] It's been caught. See, cops is

[56:06] called community control over

[56:07] police surveillance. In

[56:09] addition to ending the standard

[56:10] spot contract at the bare

[56:11] minimum, a framework is needed

[56:13] for Milwaukee residents and the

[56:14] Common Council to have the

[56:16] ability to approve an audit

[56:18] existing or proposed

[56:19] surveillance tools. That's the

[56:20] accountability who are in a

[56:22] sense have been asking for.

[56:25] Thank you. Thank you.

[56:36] Meghan Keyes.

[56:48] Good evening. My name is Megan

[56:49] and I've been a city of

[56:53] Milwaukee resident for 15 years

[56:55] and also pretty active in the

[56:56] district 3, but the Aldermanic

[56:59] district 3 has a neighborhood

[57:00] leader and I try to attend all

[57:01] the town Try to take the

[57:03] minutes for the aldermen as

[57:04] well. There's been so many

[57:07] important comments given

[57:08] tonight by the public. And I

[57:09] think sometimes we all think

[57:10] like our voice does not matter.

[57:13] But I think the collective

[57:14] voice of all of us together

[57:15] does is important. And we

[57:18] should all try to overcome our

[57:19] own fears and anxieties of

[57:21] speaking up. These are however

[57:21] intimidating. It MAY feel

[57:24] because it is important for all

[57:25] of us to speak.

[57:28] Automatic license plate readers

[57:29] are being used to track our

[57:30] movements, Spider Communities

[57:31] and compile detailed databases

[57:35] on everywhere. We travel and

[57:36] our vehicles. I'm not an expert

[57:39] on these things. And I've been

[57:41] learning a lot more as we go.

[57:44] But that data doesn't just stay

[57:44] in one place. It's being shared

[57:48] directly and indirectly with

[57:50] other agencies. Whether or not

[57:51] we're told it's not being

[57:51] shared it. The infrastructure

[57:55] is there for it to be shared

[57:55] and we don't really have like

[57:56] people have been saying the

[57:57] guardrails to tell where and

[58:01] what that information is being

[58:02] used for. It's also been abused

[58:05] and misused as we just heard

[58:08] all of the examples. Also them

[58:10] one of the biggest concerns for

[58:11] me is that the mpd has been

[58:16] quietly entering these no-bid

[58:17] contracts as I believe, Amelia

[58:19] was sharing more of the

[58:20] intricacies of that, but

[58:20] bypassing the Common Council's

[58:23] approval and not having the

[58:26] community give there their

[58:28] input. Not to mention all of

[58:28] the amount of money being spent

[58:31] on all of these surveillance

[58:33] technology contracts. I think

[58:33] we hear a lot that the mpd is

[58:36] frequently complaining of not

[58:39] having enough money. I was

[58:40] recently at

[58:40] the East Side Public Safety

[58:44] Town hall. I believe you were

[58:45] there as well. I'm hearing a

[58:47] lot about how more money for

[58:48] hiring and things like that

[58:50] and the millions of dollars

[58:51] being spent on this that the

[58:54] public does not want. I feel

[58:55] like there's money there.

[58:56] So the commission, this

[58:57] commission and the Common

[58:58] Council and the mayor have the

[59:00] power to help protect us from

[59:01] this extreme level of

[59:07] surveillance in violation of

[59:08] our rights. The asa aclu has

[59:08] regulations recommended some

[59:12] just going to read those as

[59:14] I agree with them. So we need

[59:17] the eu and the entire city to

[59:19] create the strict regulations

[59:19] of limiting data retention to

[59:22] hours or days, not weeks or a

[59:22] month or more. Obviously the

[59:26] main goal would be to get rid

[59:29] of this in general. But also

[59:30] limiting data sharing by

[59:30] sharing by prohibiting local

[59:33] law enforcement from providing

[59:37] access to any other government

[59:38] entity limiting usage to felony

[59:40] investigations, missing persons

[59:41] cases identifying unregistered

[59:42] uninsured vehicles and certain

[59:46] limited not enforcement

[59:47] scenarios.

[59:48] That situation on the highway

[59:51] with the woman. Brookfield is

[59:53] just terrifying. And I know

[59:54] people of color are fearful

[59:58] all the time of being pulled

[59:59] over. But that was just so

[59:59] extreme. I think it all made us

[1:00:03] feel something when we saw

[1:00:04] that. And like they were saying

[1:00:05] like you don't really think

[1:00:09] of the after effects losing

[1:00:11] your job. I actually was a

[1:00:12] special ed teacher and a

[1:00:13] vocational councilor Dai work

[1:00:15] with people trying to return to

[1:00:17] work after traumatic incidents

[1:00:18] and there's more to it than

[1:00:19] just like, oops, we made a

[1:00:20] mistake. Sorry, like this is

[1:00:24] actually people's lives that

[1:00:25] we are impacting and then

[1:00:26] requiring annual usage

[1:00:29] reporting and placing limits on

[1:00:32] the availability of these

[1:00:33] surveillance technologies.

[1:00:34] Again, I'm not an expert, but I

[1:00:36] do think it's important for all

[1:00:40] of us to continue putting the

[1:00:42] pressure on the city for doing

[1:00:43] what is right and not just

[1:00:46] giving into these contracts and

[1:00:46] spending all this money.

[1:00:49] These cameras are collecting

[1:00:49] sensitive data that could be

[1:00:53] used to violate our It is

[1:00:53] violating our rights. You the

[1:00:55] mpd, the Common Council and the

[1:00:57] mayor must act now to ban flock

[1:00:59] and stop its use immediately.

[1:01:01] And if you're not going to do

[1:01:02] that, do that at least put

[1:01:03] actual real protections in and

[1:01:06] not just kind of fluff

[1:01:10] statements. Thank you.

[1:01:31] Good evening. My name is Marie

[1:01:33] speaking on behalf of those

[1:01:35] consummate some civic lines.

[1:01:37] I'm here today to ask city of

[1:01:38] Milwaukee. Officials tend the

[1:01:39] city's contract with flock.

[1:01:41] What flocking other automatic

[1:01:41] license plate readers while the

[1:01:44] reforms announced by the city

[1:01:45] are step in the right

[1:01:47] direction, pr companies like

[1:01:48] flocks our communities and

[1:01:50] violate the privacy of everyday

[1:01:52] citizens. We haven't members.

[1:01:53] We've seen members of the

[1:01:53] police misuse this technology

[1:01:57] by Stocking x's and romantic

[1:01:58] partners. Flock cameras have

[1:02:00] been used to track protesters

[1:02:01] and terrorize immigrant

[1:02:02] communities, automatic license

[1:02:04] plate readers can track and

[1:02:05] monitor every detail and

[1:02:06] movements of a person's life

[1:02:08] such as whether they are

[1:02:08] attending a house of worship

[1:02:09] where they buy groceries.

[1:02:12] And if they are attending a

[1:02:13] protest.

[1:02:16] The use of flock cameras poses

[1:02:16] serious risks to immigrant and

[1:02:17] other marginalized communities

[1:02:18] who historically been victims

[1:02:21] of warrantless surveillance

[1:02:21] justified in Islamophobia.

[1:02:22] And the notion that particular

[1:02:25] communities constitute a threat

[1:02:26] more than others.

[1:02:27] Law enforcement should not be

[1:02:28] able to search for a location

[1:02:30] information without first

[1:02:32] obtaining a warrant. The usage

[1:02:32] of flock cameras is

[1:02:35] particularly concerning at this

[1:02:35] moment in time were anti Muslim

[1:02:38] rhetoric is at an all-time

[1:02:39] high.

[1:02:40] Putting the Muslim community at

[1:02:41] an increased risk of misuse of

[1:02:42] surveillance technology by any

[1:02:46] bad actors in law enforcement.

[1:02:47] Danczuk power that block

[1:02:49] technology gives to the

[1:02:49] government poses a serious

[1:02:51] threat to our communities,

[1:02:52] privacy and freedom of

[1:02:53] movement. Please take action.

[1:02:53] And the city of Milwaukee is

[1:02:54] contract with flock and any

[1:02:57] other alpr company. Thank you.

[1:03:41] Of flock cameras are meant to

[1:03:43] protect us. I think you're

[1:03:44] equating surveillance with

[1:03:45] protection. Not a single person

[1:03:47] here. Feel safer. Being watched

[1:03:48] every second. And I bet you

[1:03:49] wouldn't feel safe there.

[1:03:51] The flock cameras outside of

[1:03:52] your house. We're training our

[1:03:53] civil liberties, first-let's

[1:03:55] safety and more intrusion into

[1:03:55] our lives. We've already had

[1:03:59] 2 abuses with flock flocked

[1:04:00] by officers. The Sheboygan

[1:04:01] mayor clues accuse Flock of

[1:04:02] violating their contract and

[1:04:04] abusing their own citizens.

[1:04:06] It's Milwaukee waiting for a

[1:04:07] violation. Before we end these

[1:04:08] contracts. Are we waiting to we

[1:04:10] mess up more and more and more

[1:04:12] until we can enough anymore.

[1:04:14] All you change that the

[1:04:17] supervisors cannot violate our

[1:04:18] privacy, not just any cup.

[1:04:19] How much is the public supposed

[1:04:20] to take before? It's too much.

[1:04:23] We expect leaders in positions

[1:04:24] of power to lead us. Do your

[1:04:24] job to listen to the public,

[1:04:27] get rid of these cameras

[1:04:30] forever.

[1:04:59] Need to be say so they don't

[1:05:00] are okay with the fact they

[1:05:04] don't k with the issue to all

[1:05:06] I'm here. Just as a resident.

[1:05:06] I have some written him off

[1:05:09] all, but I was I they don't

[1:05:09] already say it all day. So as

[1:05:13] a resident of the city, I grew

[1:05:14] up here, I raise my kids here

[1:05:15] and I still live here. I

[1:05:18] thought about leaving this city

[1:05:21] all because of elected official

[1:05:21] that my taxpayer dollars

[1:05:22] constantly give us the

[1:05:25] taxpayer. They behind the kids

[1:05:26] and we got tired. Okay, y'all

[1:05:29] cape his people off and indeed

[1:05:31] they had

[1:05:32] a response. The anger in his

[1:05:38] Rome. This is right as justice.

[1:05:38] That day, but they I know want

[1:05:40] to have I'll have to pay taxes.

[1:05:42] Job want to do. But that is

[1:05:46] never going to come. You see

[1:05:46] what I'm saying taxpayer

[1:05:50] dollars pay every last one of

[1:05:51] here. Y'all elected officials,

[1:05:56] whether Yarmouk to or not the

[1:05:56] mayor is now as for our boat

[1:05:57] and all acts for our money and

[1:06:00] all turn around and give a shot

[1:06:02] behind case every time we

[1:06:10] tailed all, we don't call

[1:06:13] is getting shorter and shorter.

[1:06:14] We got to work just like all

[1:06:15] week, locking and not a fight

[1:06:18] just like y'all. But when y'all

[1:06:21] direct deposit hit, that's our

[1:06:22] money. That page all much.

[1:06:23] It can be sure. But guess what,

[1:06:24] y'all never going to be short

[1:06:27] because our taxpayers don't

[1:06:28] pay doll. So y'all probably

[1:06:29] I got to worry about if y'all

[1:06:31] don't pay rent a bag,

[1:06:32] groceries, a lot of us do.

[1:06:36] We are here in the treaties

[1:06:38] and every time we look up,

[1:06:41] with bs on a platter with a

[1:06:46] smile.

[1:06:55] And then as budget season.

[1:07:00] The cameras. So y'all took our

[1:07:01] money. And y'all say we don't

[1:07:02] do this, even though that the

[1:07:02] people who pay for don't want

[1:07:05] me. What's it? Does that make?

[1:07:08] He is credit card and do what

[1:07:11] they want to do with it with no

[1:07:13] consequence.

[1:07:17] What they want to do. And all

[1:07:20] Guess what the city is our

[1:07:21] house and we tell y'all that

[1:07:25] this is our house and we all

[1:07:26] use our money to do what I want

[1:07:27] to do in our house. And we

[1:07:28] telling y'all we don't want to,

[1:07:29] I think come and they'll want

[1:07:32] to know how to do it. I want

[1:07:35] to do y'all don't enforce

[1:07:36] about here. Ya. Go. Enforce

[1:07:38] consequences. So that's what

[1:07:39] we're doing today. We have 40

[1:07:42] taking our money. If you want,

[1:07:45] I want to go away.

[1:07:52] And I see a shorter because now

[1:07:57] when it comes to $1000.

[1:08:06] Pete, Real or not.

[1:08:07] Some don't cut me off day.

[1:08:10] But this is real life that that

[1:08:10] we got to deal with

[1:08:11] shrinkflation inflation should

[1:08:15] bring stress. We stressed out

[1:08:18] Okay. We got to deal with these

[1:08:19] kids out here. Welcome to talk

[1:08:21] about some guess what class.

[1:08:25] We want to put brought Now.

[1:08:27] You want to watch me to.

[1:08:29] To give us the right dog.

[1:08:32] Got to be like a cat and give

[1:08:36] That's all we ask in got is

[1:08:38] here. The

[1:08:40] can't take our taxpayer dollars

[1:08:44] and he did do, which I want

[1:08:48] to do. If that's the case,

[1:08:52] Listen to other people.

[1:08:59] Know the county do not what he

[1:09:05] said. It's not about 156,000

[1:09:14] sidewalk in county who begging

[1:09:19] I me my mine moment. But what?

[1:09:22] The county's they begin.

[1:09:25] People. We keep telling all we

[1:09:31] I got McDonald like.

[1:09:32] Have people telling y'all we

[1:09:35] ain't got Mac Donald's money.

[1:09:38] Okay.

[1:09:42] And what the tax payer is

[1:09:45] it. We say we don't want these.

[1:09:48] Any of you do not have hard to

[1:09:49] do the right things that down

[1:09:58] and let somebody else do it.

[1:10:03] Baby Ali, not out of the House

[1:10:05] the House and home. You are a

[1:10:06] time. So if you could briefly

[1:10:12] conclude, ok, that's all I have

[1:10:37] Good evening. Good evening,

[1:10:38] everyone. Thanks for taking the

[1:10:41] time to hear public comment

[1:10:42] tonight.

[1:10:42] My name is Patrick Olsen.

[1:10:46] I've lived in Milwaukee for

[1:10:47] 13 years. A chemist and an msu

[1:10:48] alumnus. I've never come to a

[1:10:50] town hall before, but I care

[1:10:50] about our city and our

[1:10:51] communities too much to let

[1:10:54] this issue go unchallenged.

[1:10:56] Flock cameras are a violation

[1:10:57] of her civil rights and a

[1:10:59] national disgrace. They make me

[1:11:00] feel less safe. And despite

[1:11:00] what flocks representatives

[1:11:03] are paid to say, they make all

[1:11:03] of us less safe, the database

[1:11:04] that they build on us creates

[1:11:06] vulnerability where none would

[1:11:10] otherwise exist. And it's a

[1:11:10] public safety issue. I'm here

[1:11:11] to demand that the city of

[1:11:15] Milwaukee canceled its contract

[1:11:15] with Flock. And that no

[1:11:16] replacement contracts are made

[1:11:17] with another lp provider like

[1:11:18] Axon to install virtually the

[1:11:21] same kinds of products in

[1:11:23] flocks absence.

[1:11:25] The power to watching collect

[1:11:25] information on every single

[1:11:26] person. 24 hours a day is not

[1:11:28] something that can merely be

[1:11:29] mitigated with better

[1:11:30] guardrails. This power simply

[1:11:31] shouldn't exist. Not a single

[1:11:35] person can be trusted with it.

[1:11:36] If you don't agree with me, if

[1:11:36] you're one of the people who

[1:11:37] shrugs off violations of the

[1:11:40] 4th Amendment by saying that

[1:11:41] you have nothing to hide

[1:11:41] tonight, challenge you to

[1:11:42] invite the chief of police in

[1:11:45] your home tonight and look

[1:11:47] through your drawers.

[1:11:47] Maybe you'd like to unlock your

[1:11:50] phone and give it to the mayor

[1:11:51] for a few hours.

[1:11:53] Or allow a federal agent from

[1:11:54] 1000 miles away to watch your

[1:11:55] kids at the playground in the

[1:11:57] bus stop for the next couple

[1:11:58] months. As long as they

[1:12:03] promise. It's a very qualified

[1:12:04] have legal mechanisms to

[1:12:05] collect security camera footage

[1:12:07] or to otherwise monitor

[1:12:08] potential criminal activity.

[1:12:11] Alprs constitute warrantless

[1:12:11] mass surveillance. We already

[1:12:13] know how this technology gets

[1:12:14] abused. And we've already seen

[1:12:15] the very people responsible for

[1:12:16] investigating that abuse aren't

[1:12:18] immune to abusing it either.

[1:12:20] As an American, I grew up

[1:12:22] learning about our freedoms and

[1:12:24] the rights that we fought for

[1:12:27] reading books like 1984, in

[1:12:27] Fahrenheit 4.51 In school

[1:12:28] spending my life getting told

[1:12:30] how thankful I should be that

[1:12:31] I don't live in an

[1:12:33] authoritarian state like Russia

[1:12:36] or China. The people who agree

[1:12:39] to these contracts. My fellow

[1:12:41] known better.

[1:12:42] I'm disappointed in the poor

[1:12:42] judgment shown by the people

[1:12:44] who allowed flocking to our

[1:12:48] city. But really what

[1:12:48] disappoints me the most is the

[1:12:50] apparent naive im not

[1:12:51] considering that this

[1:12:52] technology, the continuous and

[1:12:53] centralized tracking and

[1:12:54] categorization of everybody

[1:12:58] can be turned against you at

[1:13:00] some point. And if not a new

[1:13:01] members of your political party

[1:13:02] or your friends or your family.

[1:13:03] And if not now, then when the

[1:13:06] next people take the reins of

[1:13:08] power. None of us are safe from

[1:13:10] the threats posed by the alp

[1:13:10] ours. We're already all

[1:13:11] endangered by the data they've

[1:13:14] collected up until this point.

[1:13:15] But we all deserve to be safe

[1:13:16] and to start making things

[1:13:19] better. Now, please do the

[1:13:22] right thing.

[1:13:35] Markel Crawford.

[1:13:46] Good evening.

[1:13:50] I've been waiting a long time

[1:13:53] for this moment.

[1:13:54] As you have heard basis said,

[1:13:56] we speak. The people have

[1:13:58] spoken I love the way everyone

[1:14:02] came up. Everyone came

[1:14:04] together.

[1:14:12] Validate an icy. The fact that

[1:14:12] agreement with the people.

[1:14:15] There was, you know, a little

[1:14:17] bit misunderstanding. But I

[1:14:19] do respect it. And I respect

[1:14:22] the people as well. The people

[1:14:27] have spoken. What I was going

[1:14:28] to say. Was that Flock has been

[1:14:30] proven in this surveillance

[1:14:35] has been proven to not work.

[1:14:36] It's been proven to be a

[1:14:42] hindrance rather than a help.

[1:14:43] It's been proven to actually

[1:14:45] not be what the people want.

[1:14:48] And it's the people who really

[1:14:50] want it want to use it against

[1:14:53] you. They're they're wanting

[1:14:56] to use these surveillance

[1:14:59] systems. To attack even you.

[1:15:02] When you don't agree with them.

[1:15:06] I don't want to make it long

[1:15:08] because I love the people and

[1:15:10] I want them to speak. So for

[1:15:13] the rest of my time, I can see.

[1:15:16] Thank you.

[1:15:27] Kevin says Perez.

[1:15:39] Good evening. Good evening.

[1:15:40] If you like. It's pretty

[1:15:43] outrageous that we're here

[1:15:45] right now.

[1:15:47] It was many, many months ago

[1:15:51] that that's from was packed

[1:15:51] and everybody was like we need

[1:15:57] to band Flock and all lp ours.

[1:15:57] These are all the reasons.

[1:15:58] And you've heard so many

[1:16:01] reasons tonight over the past

[1:16:04] months about the surveillance,

[1:16:04] how evil of the corporation

[1:16:06] flock is, how we don't feel

[1:16:07] safe. That's going to be misuse

[1:16:09] abuse. All these things have

[1:16:12] been stated. At that point.

[1:16:19] Fox should have been banned.

[1:16:23] The people, right. We see the

[1:16:24] wcc the misuse. We see the

[1:16:26] continued surveillance and the

[1:16:27] negative effects that's having

[1:16:30] the lack of safety that people

[1:16:33] feel. So we packed the room

[1:16:34] again. We tell you.

[1:16:38] We want flock and all lpr is

[1:16:42] banned and again, the people

[1:16:45] are not listened to and we have

[1:16:45] a few little tweaks are will

[1:16:46] take could wave of the use of

[1:16:48] flock away from a few of these

[1:16:51] police officers that that

[1:16:52] should fix it will have the

[1:16:52] please keep other police

[1:16:54] accountable. That should work.

[1:17:06] It doesn't work. We have more

[1:17:07] problems. We see it. Not only

[1:17:10] Milwaukee across Wisconsin

[1:17:12] across the whole country.

[1:17:14] Hand, it turns out there's a

[1:17:16] whole bunch of other places

[1:17:17] that are like, oh, yeah, the

[1:17:18] people have spoken the right.

[1:17:20] We're going to listen to them.

[1:17:27] We're going to ban flock.

[1:17:28] Liberal Madison to make a

[1:17:30] Republican Ron DeSantis in

[1:17:31] Florida like this isn't a

[1:17:35] partisan thing. This is like a

[1:17:36] public safety thing. And we

[1:17:37] hear that from from npd from

[1:17:39] Chief Norman had it's about

[1:17:43] safety. Look at the these but

[1:17:44] criminals we've arrested.

[1:17:44] That's that we've been tell

[1:17:47] you. That's not what's keeping

[1:17:51] us safe.

[1:17:51] It's we feel unsafe because

[1:17:54] of all the surveillance that's

[1:17:57] going on because there's data

[1:17:58] Taken from all of us and we

[1:18:02] don't know what's happening

[1:18:04] with that because we have

[1:18:04] members of our community, our

[1:18:07] friends that are being stalked

[1:18:10] by this like this is what's

[1:18:11] making us unsafe. And this is

[1:18:13] what's been saying for months,

[1:18:15] the and saying all this and

[1:18:19] happened. The people happened.

[1:18:20] Listen to as much as everyone

[1:18:23] all of you to come council,

[1:18:24] the mayor.

[1:18:26] It's we've been listening.

[1:18:28] You know, you haven't been

[1:18:28] listening because we've told

[1:18:29] you exactly for months and

[1:18:33] months what it's going to

[1:18:33] happen, how we feel and every

[1:18:37] little tweak, the slow reform.

[1:18:38] That's not working. The only

[1:18:44] thing though, work is banning.

[1:18:45] Flock and they'll be ours.

[1:18:48] Please listen. Finally, listen

[1:18:51] to the people and do it.

[1:18:55] We're asking to cancel.

[1:18:55] All acts on Jan attacked all

[1:18:56] these other companies that we

[1:18:58] have cameras out because, you

[1:19:01] know, flock isn't the only come

[1:19:01] Milwaukee, all of them. We want

[1:19:04] gone and not here. Thank you.

[1:19:17] Galle, Middle breath.

[1:19:24] Good evening. Good evening.

[1:19:30] You have my This is off the

[1:19:31] cuff I'm a lifelong resident

[1:19:33] of the city and I'm not retired

[1:19:34] Milwaukee public schools,

[1:19:37] teacher. And so I I've had.

[1:19:42] Working with the Milwaukee

[1:19:43] Police Department, I'll start

[1:19:44] with a positive. One was I

[1:19:46] believe his name was Officer

[1:19:50] Wilkerson, Wilkins Wilkerson

[1:19:51] members partner's name and

[1:19:52] maybe save my life in a

[1:19:53] domestic violence situation.

[1:19:55] Any advice be going forward and

[1:19:57] the device was excellent.

[1:19:58] I wish I could have run into

[1:19:58] Lincoln someday, but I did

[1:20:01] write a letter to his

[1:20:01] supervisor back then. And then

[1:20:02] on the other hand, I have

[1:20:05] worked with let's just call

[1:20:07] him officer putts to the

[1:20:08] schools and there was a serious

[1:20:09] incident that I have to be

[1:20:11] involved with. And and somebody

[1:20:13] was injured to the point of

[1:20:16] surgery and the little guy,

[1:20:19] his family took Waukee Police

[1:20:19] Department to court.

[1:20:20] So it was called to testify.

[1:20:23] People had their attorneys is

[1:20:25] very stressful.

[1:20:26] And then the parent told me,

[1:20:29] Oh, it's all good. We don't

[1:20:29] have to go forward. Milwaukee

[1:20:30] Police Department said they're

[1:20:31] going to cut us a check.

[1:20:33] We don't have to go through the

[1:20:33] court process and it was a lie.

[1:20:36] So they had to start it all

[1:20:37] up again because there was

[1:20:37] never a check sent to them for

[1:20:41] the child's injuries. And so.

[1:20:43] The trust factor that I have is

[1:20:47] a mixed bag. You know, I I feel

[1:20:48] police officers and other

[1:20:51] situations on the summerfest,

[1:20:57] security and a couple the rules

[1:20:57] There's just a trust trust

[1:21:00] issue. And it's based on facts

[1:21:03] that I've lived in my life.

[1:21:04] It's so I can't really say you

[1:21:04] have enough officer Wilkerson's

[1:21:07] to make it safe for us to have.

[1:21:10] All these cameras. I just don't

[1:21:13] have the trust there. And I.

[1:21:19] Get rid of them. Please.

[1:21:22] Thank you.

[1:21:45] Good evening.

[1:21:50] I like to start off by saying

[1:21:52] I come to all these meetings

[1:21:55] and I never really speak at

[1:21:58] them. But I feel compelled to

[1:22:00] this time just because this

[1:22:05] has been. An ongoing issue for

[1:22:06] some time now. This is I don't

[1:22:06] even know what meeting this is,

[1:22:16] Rick, that we've discussed

[1:22:16] There is a story that has been

[1:22:19] mentioned a couple times

[1:22:26] tonight, but I'd like to really

[1:22:30] nature of it just over a week

[1:22:31] ago, a traffic stop was

[1:22:32] initiated, stopping all traffic

[1:22:33] on. I-94 where woman and her

[1:22:37] passenger were held at gunpoint

[1:22:38] by Brookfield Police and

[1:22:39] falsely arrested due to their

[1:22:41] license plate being linked to a

[1:22:42] homicide within the flock data

[1:22:45] base by the Milwaukee Police

[1:22:47] Department.

[1:22:48] The car was investigated and

[1:22:49] found have never been involved

[1:22:50] in the homicide. Another with

[1:22:52] the individuals, please drew

[1:22:54] rifles on inside of the car.

[1:22:55] The Milwaukee Police Department

[1:22:57] failed to remove the alert

[1:22:58] within the fox system that

[1:22:58] caused it to be flagged by

[1:23:01] flock cameras winter about and

[1:23:04] drove by.

[1:23:04] Stopped and rifles being drawn

[1:23:07] on innocent people on the

[1:23:10] freeway. The ins, the woman has

[1:23:11] now lost both of her jobs due

[1:23:12] to this incident is currently

[1:23:15] mulling legal action against

[1:23:17] the city of Milwaukee. All this

[1:23:18] came about because the

[1:23:19] Milwaukee police and failed to

[1:23:20] remove her vehicle from the

[1:23:21] fox database after they

[1:23:24] concluded their investigation.

[1:23:26] Between the Milwaukee Police

[1:23:27] Department's general neglect

[1:23:29] and or incompetency to update

[1:23:33] their system or they're

[1:23:34] intentional. Use of it to now.

[1:23:36] We've had another mpd officer

[1:23:38] recently found to have been

[1:23:38] violating the department's

[1:23:42] policy by using it. Just talk

[1:23:45] to people. I mean, like there's

[1:23:47] every time we come back here,

[1:23:47] this issue, there's just like

[1:23:48] another officer that's been

[1:23:52] found to be using the power

[1:23:54] and fox system.

[1:23:54] It's clear we cannot trust the

[1:23:56] Milwaukee Police Department to

[1:23:58] follow its own policies on

[1:24:02] flock or to use it correctly,

[1:24:03] quote, unquote, correctly.

[1:24:05] The fact of the matter is

[1:24:05] simply that their access to in

[1:24:07] any degree creates a danger to

[1:24:10] everyone in this community.

[1:24:12] The only sensible solution, any

[1:24:14] rational person would have to

[1:24:14] the numerous stories that

[1:24:16] continue to be released

[1:24:18] regarding the use of flock in

[1:24:20] Milwaukee will be to

[1:24:23] in the city of Milwaukee.

[1:24:25] Enough is enough to call for

[1:24:27] anything less than a total ban

[1:24:28] on apr is would be to knowingly

[1:24:31] in danger. Every single member

[1:24:36] of this community.

[1:24:36] Difference between that one

[1:24:37] being alive and being dead

[1:24:39] right now because they had

[1:24:40] rifles pointed right at her

[1:24:42] all because a mistake by the

[1:24:46] Milwaukee Police Department.

[1:24:48] That to me is terrifying.

[1:24:55] I think it's something to be

[1:25:07] Waleed is our.

[1:25:21] And a grad students here in

[1:25:23] Milwaukee. I'm here today to

[1:25:24] express my complete opposition

[1:25:28] to the foxes than here in the

[1:25:28] city. Mayor Johnson released a

[1:25:29] statement earlier this week

[1:25:30] regarding the use and

[1:25:32] regulation of flock cameras

[1:25:34] in Milwaukee. But I have to say

[1:25:35] I disagree with the mayor

[1:25:36] because I don't want to see

[1:25:39] regulation. I want to see them

[1:25:43] gone. Flock cameras pose the

[1:25:44] risk to the safety of

[1:25:45] everyday individuals, Foxx term

[1:25:47] at terms and conditions state

[1:25:49] that they possess a, quote,

[1:25:49] perpetual license to use

[1:25:50] customer data to, quote,

[1:25:53] support and improve its

[1:25:53] services.

[1:25:55] Assuming Milwaukee terminates

[1:25:56] its contract with flock today.

[1:26:00] The damage has already been

[1:26:00] done. They have a right to all

[1:26:03] the data they have collected up

[1:26:03] until now. We are in damage

[1:26:06] control territory at this

[1:26:08] point.

[1:26:09] Furthermore flock does not

[1:26:10] explicitly state in their terms

[1:26:13] and conditions that they would

[1:26:13] not sell customer data. We also

[1:26:15] know that flock creates heat

[1:26:16] maps that track an individual's

[1:26:17] movements so flood could be

[1:26:19] selling your data to anybody

[1:26:20] who wants it. The highest

[1:26:23] bidder insurance companies,

[1:26:24] tech companies, maybe foreign

[1:26:25] governments. I don't know if

[1:26:28] they're allowed to do that, but

[1:26:29] they can to close. I want to

[1:26:32] live in a surveillance state.

[1:26:33] I want to live in a place way

[1:26:34] per it. A private tech security

[1:26:38] firm can access my whereabouts

[1:26:38] whenever they want to to

[1:26:39] terminate the contract with

[1:26:40] flock and any and all mass

[1:26:42] surveillance systems. Thank

[1:26:45] you.

[1:26:57] The next person is Scott.

[1:27:04] I'm not spelling of last name

[1:27:07] Good evening.

[1:27:11] A lot of fun. I've never been

[1:27:14] to a Common Council meeting

[1:27:15] before,

[1:27:17] I've never felt so strongly on

[1:27:19] a subject that I needed to come

[1:27:20] and speak at the Common Council

[1:27:21] meeting. And I think that's why

[1:27:22] you have all these people here

[1:27:26] tonight as well. Where fire and

[1:27:27] police commission fire and

[1:27:29] police commission, whatever,

[1:27:31] whatever you guys, I never felt

[1:27:32] strongly enough to get up here

[1:27:33] on a Thursday night and speak

[1:27:35] to the city of Milwaukee right?

[1:27:36] So I'll just say I'm not going

[1:27:38] to try to take a lot of time,

[1:27:39] but I think Mayor Johnson's

[1:27:43] resolution is a Band-Aid on a

[1:27:44] gushing bullet wound if it

[1:27:45] weren't, you wouldn't have all

[1:27:47] these people here. Like I just

[1:27:49] said.

[1:27:52] And it's only going to get

[1:27:53] worse. Let's be honest, like

[1:27:54] flocks newest thing is drones,

[1:27:56] right? So when you're going

[1:27:57] into a contract with flock in,

[1:27:58] you're buying flock cameras.

[1:28:00] How do we know it's not going

[1:28:00] to go to the next thing.

[1:28:01] It's not going to be drones

[1:28:02] next are going to be following

[1:28:05] us around with drones in our

[1:28:07] cars right? And a lot of people

[1:28:09] spoke about all the ways that

[1:28:10] it's been misuse. The

[1:28:11] Brookfield incident just came

[1:28:14] up. And my question to you is.

[1:28:19] Who pays when a missing new

[1:28:21] all successfully sues the city

[1:28:22] of Milwaukee. Who pays for

[1:28:25] that? The taxpayers pay for

[1:28:25] that. We pay for that with

[1:28:26] somebody cuts down the flock

[1:28:28] camera and then you decide to

[1:28:30] put it back up. Who pays for

[1:28:30] that? The taxpayers pay for

[1:28:33] that. And guess what? It's

[1:28:34] going to bed on Halloween.

[1:28:35] I think there's going to be a

[1:28:37] lot of flock cameras cut down

[1:28:38] on Halloween. So who's going to

[1:28:41] pay for those that get put back

[1:28:44] up?

[1:28:48] Mpd mpd doesn't own the data as

[1:28:49] was just

[1:28:49] talked about Sheboygan, new

[1:28:51] this. That's why they canceled

[1:28:56] the contract because it shifts

[1:28:59] the burden of proof from

[1:29:00] innocent until guilty to guilty

[1:29:00] in 2 innocent. Because ai is

[1:29:05] going to start giving out

[1:29:09] automatic tickets. I will leave

[1:29:09] the you guys with this one

[1:29:12] quote, because it hasn't been

[1:29:14] needs to be dropped on yachts.

[1:29:15] Heads Benjamin Franklin said

[1:29:17] those who give up essential

[1:29:18] liberty for a little temporary

[1:29:22] safety deserve neither liberty

[1:29:23] nor safety. So I will pose the

[1:29:26] question to you guys tonight.

[1:29:30] What do you deserve?

[1:29:39] Is there anyone else here in

[1:29:41] person who would like to speak

[1:29:44] of public comment? Please come

[1:29:47] up.

[1:30:01] And because I thought we

[1:30:06] knows if you still would like

[1:30:09] My name is Candice Alley and

[1:30:11] I live in the 14th Aldermanic

[1:30:13] District. I have raised my

[1:30:16] children and my grandchildren

[1:30:16] are now being raised in this

[1:30:19] city and on a personal level, I

[1:30:21] do not want to live in a

[1:30:22] surveillance state. I'm here,

[1:30:22] however, to speak on behalf of

[1:30:26] the League of Women, Voters of

[1:30:26] Milwaukee County. And if you

[1:30:32] most of the work I do with the

[1:30:32] league is is put and the right

[1:30:33] to vote, you know, making sure

[1:30:35] that everybody has the right to

[1:30:37] vote, that it's a protected

[1:30:39] right. And it's because we

[1:30:40] believe in and have for 100

[1:30:41] years. Men out there defending

[1:30:42] democracy. We know that voting

[1:30:45] is a key part of democracy.

[1:30:48] But also the rights that we

[1:30:51] have as people who live in a

[1:30:52] community, the right not to

[1:30:54] have. We've opposed the facial

[1:30:57] recognition technology. And

[1:30:59] we're here today to oppose this

[1:31:00] technology. We want the

[1:31:03] contract to be stopped and we

[1:31:04] don't want flock cameras.

[1:31:05] And that's that is really part

[1:31:08] of our fundamental belief that

[1:31:12] it goes against our rights in a

[1:31:13] Democratic society. And, you

[1:31:14] know, as these things come in,

[1:31:18] they MAY they MAY not seem so

[1:31:18] dangerous. Although I bet you a

[1:31:20] lot of people could have said

[1:31:26] that they were and did say.

[1:31:27] But now we've seen the

[1:31:27] tremendous abuse and everybody

[1:31:31] is so careful in our community

[1:31:32] and fearful in our city.

[1:31:33] And we believe as as we go in

[1:31:34] and voters that we have an

[1:31:37] obligation to come here and

[1:31:38] speak out and urge you to stop

[1:31:42] this contract and stop this

[1:31:45] technology. So thank you.

[1:32:06] Hello. I love all a very I'm in

[1:32:08] the 3rd and I just want to put

[1:32:14] in to a comment that high

[1:32:22] Additional thought since I

[1:32:28] a summer. Nice to meet you

[1:32:30] guys. I live over there I.

[1:32:32] Calling these things license

[1:32:33] plate readers are like calling

[1:32:35] my civic a space heater like,

[1:32:36] yes, they rely someplace.

[1:32:36] That's not what they do,

[1:32:39] though. We're on the same page

[1:32:40] there.

[1:32:45] The mayor and the head of npd.

[1:32:48] Is proposing.

[1:32:50] Halfway solution. Where were

[1:32:51] you guys can audit what they're

[1:32:52] doing and they can only use it

[1:32:54] for high-level crimes or

[1:32:58] whatever. I'm not interested

[1:33:01] in a halfway solution between

[1:33:02] like an authoritarian

[1:33:03] dictatorship and a free

[1:33:03] country, right like we need

[1:33:07] to. There is no halfway

[1:33:12] position here.

[1:33:13] I think that's I think that's

[1:33:16] mainly my issue here. I don't

[1:33:18] want.

[1:33:19] Any steps to like limit the way

[1:33:22] we're using. This is like, oh,

[1:33:23] like let's have a limited

[1:33:29] amount of fascism. Like what

[1:33:35] Do we have anyone else in

[1:33:38] person who would like to speak?

[1:33:47] A timely ovarian toes and I am

[1:33:48] an out-of-state student.

[1:33:50] The student going to school

[1:33:51] here in Milwaukee and my city

[1:33:52] of Wichita, Kansas is not

[1:33:54] giving me the option to speak

[1:33:57] to people about this and oppose

[1:33:58] this. The owner of Flock

[1:33:58] considers me a terrorist

[1:33:59] because I oppose being

[1:34:01] surveilled in my own safety in

[1:34:02] my own home country. I was

[1:34:04] taught this was never going to

[1:34:05] be a problem. And now it is.

[1:34:07] And I thank you for listening

[1:34:09] to I thank you for your time.

[1:34:10] Completely. Ban flock ban, all

[1:34:14] license plate readers ban all

[1:34:15] gunshot detectors. Ai does not

[1:34:17] have years. Ai does not have

[1:34:18] discernment. Ai does not have a

[1:34:20] motion's. It cannot tell

[1:34:21] whether or not humans and

[1:34:23] tension is actually going to

[1:34:24] harm anyone. A human can.

[1:34:25] And even the humans who are

[1:34:27] supposed to be controlling this

[1:34:31] have proven they are not

[1:34:32] capable of protecting us.

[1:34:34] Van came as Bran van, a license

[1:34:35] plate readers and get rid of

[1:34:35] all of this ai surveillance.

[1:34:36] We are not a surveillance

[1:34:39] state. We are a free country.

[1:34:50] Bridgett. We have anyone online

[1:34:54] for public comment. Yes, Julie

[1:34:55] 9 director.

[1:35:01] Welcome back to sir. Just one

[1:35:03] moment. Yes, Julie.

[1:35:04] Thanks. Thing spreads and good

[1:35:07] evening. Neighbors

[1:35:08] commissioners, directors.

[1:35:09] The Milwaukee Fire and Police

[1:35:10] Commission page on the city's

[1:35:14] website has a huge headline.

[1:35:17] The Oversight Accountability

[1:35:21] Community Trust followed by.

[1:35:22] We value your feedback.

[1:35:23] Something you're constantly

[1:35:28] alluding to try and get rid

[1:35:31] statement reflecting these

[1:35:32] intentions as well as days

[1:35:34] counting the constitutional

[1:35:35] rights of all people. The

[1:35:37] website talks a good game.

[1:35:39] It's. Despite Jay Pierce, 6

[1:35:43] flowery tribute. Consider this.

[1:35:45] Oversight under this

[1:35:49] commission's watch. The chief

[1:35:54] of police made the unfathomable

[1:35:55] training with

[1:35:59] the racist genocidal apartheid

[1:36:00] Zionist regime that is

[1:36:01] currently occupying Palestine.

[1:36:04] How can this commission

[1:36:05] possibly endorse that? And if

[1:36:06] you don't, what have you put in

[1:36:08] place to ensure that such a

[1:36:12] heinous thing never happens

[1:36:15] again.

[1:36:15] Accountability.

[1:36:18] The community has been pleading

[1:36:20] for this commission to hold the

[1:36:22] chief accountable for that

[1:36:23] training. What did he learn

[1:36:33] there? What did you bring back

[1:36:34] How can a community trust the

[1:36:36] police chief of police Force

[1:36:39] and Oversight Commission that

[1:36:42] is okay with such horrendous

[1:36:45] action.

[1:36:49] Writes, safeguarding the rights

[1:36:52] of all people. The Chiefs

[1:36:54] explicitly in 2025 a year when

[1:36:58] ignorance is no longer an

[1:36:58] excuse he chose to train with

[1:37:03] the genocidal entity recognized

[1:37:04] by the multitude international

[1:37:05] organizations that I've listed

[1:37:07] off at multiple previous

[1:37:09] meetings. He chose to train

[1:37:12] with the regime that is

[1:37:13] internationally condemned.

[1:37:17] As a notorious violator of

[1:37:18] human rights.

[1:37:21] Your Web page says that you

[1:37:22] value community feedback and

[1:37:25] yet you remain complicit with

[1:37:27] the chief in this repeatedly

[1:37:30] refusing to address this or

[1:37:34] to have genuine discourse

[1:37:34] about it. Oversight,

[1:37:35] accountability, trust

[1:37:37] safeguarding rights. You set

[1:37:38] their month after month.

[1:37:41] In front of a community

[1:37:41] pleading endlessly. For you to

[1:37:45] uphold all of these things.

[1:37:47] Please stop ignoring our

[1:37:49] concerns. Answer our questions

[1:37:50] regarding the Chiefs training.

[1:37:54] Do everything in your power to

[1:37:56] stop the growth of

[1:37:56] this. Indeed. Dystopian

[1:37:58] surveillance state and do

[1:38:02] everything in your power to

[1:38:03] actually safeguard this

[1:38:03] community and our human The

[1:38:07] mayor and mpd can pretend all

[1:38:08] they want that any suppose it

[1:38:09] safeguards on this locker or

[1:38:11] other cameras would ever work?

[1:38:13] The community does not want

[1:38:17] a surveillance state period.

[1:38:19] And it's only this commission

[1:38:20] would be as concerned about

[1:38:23] the concerns we've all been

[1:38:26] bringing up as you are about

[1:38:28] clutching your pearls

[1:38:30] and uplifting the racist white

[1:38:33] supremacist tenants like

[1:38:35] Robert's rules and order.

[1:38:38] And proper language and fear

[1:38:44] of open conflict right to come

[1:38:45] connected free Palestine, Free

[1:38:47] Milwaukee, from road policing

[1:38:49] from genocide. Supporters from

[1:38:50] surveillance cameras from all

[1:38:53] of these horrors. Thank you.

[1:39:01] I think we had and individual

[1:39:09] back here in person who wanted

[1:39:13] Hello. My name is Charles

[1:39:17] Redcliffe. I live in the 3rd

[1:39:19] police district. And I came

[1:39:20] here to basically say how

[1:39:23] disgusted I am with the flock

[1:39:24] cameras and the response to

[1:39:27] the public opposition of the

[1:39:27] flock cameras by the the mayor

[1:39:30] and the fire and police

[1:39:32] commission.

[1:39:37] For one. I want to go back to

[1:39:38] camera. A license plate reader

[1:39:41] has being like a Honda Civic,

[1:39:42] that kind of space because I

[1:39:45] live right by Washington Park

[1:39:46] over there.

[1:39:48] And I notice that the entire

[1:39:49] park is covered by flock

[1:39:50] cameras. You can't walk

[1:39:53] anywhere in the park without

[1:39:53] being seen

[1:39:56] it's not an area where there

[1:40:00] is.

[1:40:00] And over the abundance of

[1:40:03] vehicles out of parking lots

[1:40:04] that remain freeway. It's a

[1:40:04] park apart. The head of no

[1:40:07] Kings protest recently

[1:40:11] actually.

[1:40:12] Uwm is covered and flock

[1:40:15] cameras, a place students are

[1:40:17] known to protest and have a

[1:40:20] their opposition to things,

[1:40:21] whatever. But I.

[1:40:23] I would like to question why

[1:40:25] the specific places are being

[1:40:25] chosen. And I would like to

[1:40:29] invite other people to question

[1:40:30] that as well because these are

[1:40:31] really license plate readers.

[1:40:33] That's just kind of a fancy

[1:40:39] name for him. And I'm not here

[1:40:48] I do. Want to make sure we

[1:40:49] haven't missed anyone else in

[1:40:57] person. Before we go back to

[1:41:02] Well, it's interesting be on

[1:41:05] the side of.

[1:41:09] Thanks to the community.

[1:41:10] We all realize it's kind of

[1:41:11] like political theater because

[1:41:13] the ftc doesn't have any actual

[1:41:18] oversight control because of

[1:41:18] at 12, maybe legislation can

[1:41:22] change with new Administration

[1:41:25] in that knowing that I like

[1:41:28] to second the fact that how

[1:41:32] can we trust the Milwaukee

[1:41:33] Police Department? When the

[1:41:34] leader who now their chief

[1:41:37] trained in a genocidal state.

[1:41:42] Of Israel or how occupied

[1:41:44] Palestine.

[1:41:45] That's one that you guys didn't

[1:41:47] know about it or something.

[1:41:48] Right. And then 5 month there

[1:41:50] was a 5 years of using effort.

[1:41:56] He that's another thing that.

[1:42:00] Obviously nobody wanted.

[1:42:01] And they did without

[1:42:01] without an actual license.

[1:42:05] The reason like Netflix

[1:42:08] password in their words.

[1:42:10] Trust issue.

[1:42:13] Calling on the resignation of

[1:42:14] the police chief. And I'm

[1:42:14] calling on the mayor to do

[1:42:20] something about it. Instead of.

[1:42:20] Allowing that distrust to

[1:42:23] continue to faster in the

[1:42:26] community.

[1:42:39] Yes.

[1:42:50] Earlier someone else brought up

[1:42:51] a 94.

[1:42:54] And we have big brother right

[1:42:55] now. I do. If you read 1984 in

[1:42:57] high school, I'm sure most of

[1:43:01] you did. But flock, these other

[1:43:02] systems.

[1:43:03] Ai surveillance, mass

[1:43:04] surveillance, facial

[1:43:05] recognition license plate

[1:43:06] readers and all the other

[1:43:07] function they have. This is big

[1:43:08] Brother. We have it right now.

[1:43:09] I don't know what your takeaway

[1:43:13] was when you read that book.

[1:43:15] If it was well, gosh, if only

[1:43:16] the supervisors had been

[1:43:18] running big brother, it would

[1:43:19] in fact mean if we had one more

[1:43:20] guardrail, big brother would

[1:43:21] have been just fine. Many big

[1:43:24] brother wasn't the problem.

[1:43:26] It is just a few bad apples.

[1:43:27] I'm here to tell you if that

[1:43:28] was your lesson, you did not

[1:43:30] understand the book. You did

[1:43:33] not understand George Orwell,

[1:43:33] who had many faults, but his

[1:43:36] understanding of fascism was

[1:43:37] not one of his fault. And Big

[1:43:39] Brother, which is what I'm

[1:43:40] gonna call this surveillance

[1:43:41] state that we currently have in

[1:43:45] America right now. It's

[1:43:47] fascism.

[1:43:48] As many other people have said,

[1:43:50] do not want to live in a

[1:43:53] fascist state. Please return

[1:43:54] our freedom and get rid of

[1:43:55] flock, get rid of all these

[1:43:56] other mass surveillance

[1:43:59] systems. Get rid of Big

[1:44:02] Brother. Thank you.

[1:44:10] Frigid anyone else online for

[1:44:16] public comment.

[1:44:20] Okay.

[1:44:30] Many, many, many times

[1:44:31] the reason I don't to police

[1:44:33] because because I actually live

[1:44:36] in Menominee Falls. But

[1:44:39] yeah, there is a trust issue

[1:44:43] so for the last 7 months, I've

[1:44:48] open records request forward

[1:44:53] Norman's. Trip to Israel.

[1:44:56] How about 2 months ago?

[1:44:57] They said that there are a

[1:44:57] few days more in actually

[1:45:01] getting those open records

[1:45:06] requests. You know, so years,

[1:45:06] I MAY have to start pursuing

[1:45:09] legal means to obtain those

[1:45:12] records.

[1:45:21] I travel in and out of

[1:45:24] Milwaukee. You know, 5, 6,

[1:45:26] times a day.

[1:45:28] To know tracked every place

[1:45:31] that I go is really disturbing.

[1:45:38] It's a violation. My 4th man

[1:45:39] right? I want you to stop.

[1:45:43] Now. I know I'm the nominee

[1:45:43] falls.

[1:45:46] We still have to head up that

[1:45:49] challenge of getting rid of

[1:45:52] flock there as well.

[1:46:14] Okay. It appears that we're

[1:46:15] done with the public comment.

[1:46:16] Thanks, everybody. Yes, we

[1:46:16] could. I'm not sure how many

[1:46:19] people want to stay for the

[1:46:20] balance of the meeting.

[1:46:24] If you're going to stay great,

[1:46:27] like to leave and opportunity.

[1:46:38] To leave. Before we get back to

[1:46:47] something on

[1:47:55] yeah, it took me a while just

[1:48:05] enough director. Please proceed

[1:48:06] with the agenda right?

[1:48:08] Do not read the items on the

[1:48:09] consent agenda after I do.

[1:48:11] So any commissioner MAY remove

[1:48:12] any of these items to the

[1:48:14] regular agenda for discussion

[1:48:16] or appropriate action items,

[1:48:19] not remove MAY be adopted by

[1:48:23] general consent without debate

[1:48:23] item 2 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 6,

[1:48:27] resolution relating to the JULY

[1:48:30] 16th 2026. Meeting minutes item

[1:48:31] 3 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6, 7,

[1:48:34] resolution relating to the

[1:48:35] appointments to the you free to

[1:48:36] print his position within the

[1:48:39] Milwaukee Fire Department.

[1:48:43] 2 appointments.

[1:48:44] Item 4 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 6,

[1:48:45] 8 resolution relating to the

[1:48:46] appointments of the crime in

[1:48:46] with one position within the

[1:48:52] Milwaukee Police Department.

[1:48:54] 3 appointments item 5 pc, 2, 1,

[1:48:55] 2, 6, 6, 9, resolution relating

[1:48:55] to the building maintenance

[1:48:57] technician eligible list for

[1:49:01] the Milwaukee Police Department

[1:49:03] item 6 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 0,

[1:49:05] resolution relating to the

[1:49:08] crime scene supervisor eligible

[1:49:10] list for the Milwaukee Police

[1:49:12] Department item 7 pc, 2, 1, 2,

[1:49:13] 6, 7, 1, resolution relating to

[1:49:15] the hr supervisor eligible list

[1:49:18] for the Milwaukee Police

[1:49:20] Department item 8 pc, 2, 1, 2,

[1:49:21] 6, 7, 2, resolution relating to

[1:49:24] the hvac maintenance technician

[1:49:24] 3 eligible list for the

[1:49:28] Milwaukee Police Department and

[1:49:31] item 9 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 3,

[1:49:32] resolution relating to it.

[1:49:33] Project coordinator eligible

[1:49:34] list for the Milwaukee Police

[1:49:37] Department. This concludes the

[1:49:39] consent agenda.

[1:49:42] Would any commissioner like to

[1:49:46] remove any of these items from

[1:49:47] the consent agenda to the

[1:49:48] regular agenda. If there are no

[1:49:49] objections, the items on the

[1:49:51] consent agenda will be adapted

[1:49:55] by general consent. Are there

[1:49:56] any objections?

[1:49:58] Gehring, no objections. These

[1:49:59] items are adapted. Director,

[1:50:04] please proceed with the agenda.

[1:50:06] Under new business, which is

[1:50:08] item 10 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 5,

[1:50:10] communication from the

[1:50:11] Milwaukee Police Department

[1:50:12] relating to recent changes to

[1:50:14] mpd standard operating

[1:50:15] procedures and standard

[1:50:16] operating instructions. There

[1:50:21] are 8 policy changes before us

[1:50:23] for this meeting. So Peas, 0,

[1:50:26] 4, 0, limited duty status for

[1:50:29] 10 financial crime. Complaints

[1:50:32] for 55 critical incident Review

[1:50:34] board. 4.90, marriage.

[1:50:35] Merit Award program. 6.80,

[1:50:39] computer equipment,

[1:50:39] applications and systems 6.85

[1:50:42] Social networking sites and

[1:50:45] department images and then

[1:50:46] standard operating instructions

[1:50:48] for school resource School

[1:50:49] resources, officer program and

[1:50:49] then standard operating

[1:50:52] instruction for sexual assault

[1:50:56] investigations.

[1:50:58] At first, I want to thank our

[1:51:00] executive director for

[1:51:04] preparing a memo for the filed

[1:51:08] of identifies the the changes

[1:51:09] that I do still extensively

[1:51:13] from Lieutenant Colonel Ski of

[1:51:18] where credit is due. Is there

[1:51:22] anyone from the department to

[1:51:24] address changes?

[1:51:27] Yeah, good evening. MADAM

[1:51:35] Chair, assistant chief of

[1:51:38] director says we have 6

[1:51:38] standard operating procedure

[1:51:40] changes as well as 2 changes to

[1:51:43] stand operating instruction.

[1:51:44] I will just go over the

[1:51:47] highlights for each of these

[1:51:49] changes. With respect to s o p

[1:51:51] 40 limited duty status. We took

[1:51:53] out to work locations. The

[1:51:54] first being the technical

[1:51:57] communications division because

[1:51:59] it no longer exists and the

[1:52:00] forensic division because that

[1:52:01] has largely been civilian eyes.

[1:52:02] Now there's not a place we

[1:52:05] would put swore in limited duty

[1:52:08] personnel. As healthy for 10

[1:52:10] financial crime complaints.

[1:52:10] We added state statutes for

[1:52:15] forgery and identity theft to

[1:52:16] the definition section

[1:52:16] updated a patrol

[1:52:17] responsibilities. One taking

[1:52:18] in investigative packets for

[1:52:19] forgery and identity theft and

[1:52:23] worthless checks cleaned up

[1:52:25] some of the language.

[1:52:27] We removed the investigation

[1:52:28] of skimming devices for as

[1:52:30] solely as a criminal

[1:52:31] investigation. Bureau

[1:52:32] responsibility as those can

[1:52:36] be handled by anybody now to

[1:52:36] include patrol officers.

[1:52:37] And then we updated the links

[1:52:40] to the financial crime

[1:52:42] SharePoint Cage.

[1:52:44] A critical incident review

[1:52:46] board. We looked at that

[1:52:47] closely. We wanted to make sure

[1:52:49] policy matches practice.

[1:52:50] So we changed the last section

[1:52:53] of it to go from the executive

[1:52:55] you to the chief of police

[1:52:56] review hours before was once

[1:52:59] the critical incident Review

[1:53:00] board was Meeting was convened

[1:53:03] with the executive command

[1:53:04] staff within 60 days to go over

[1:53:07] the results of that curve

[1:53:10] meeting. How it is now is that

[1:53:14] once the critical as every book

[1:53:15] the findings from that review

[1:53:16] are given to the chief within

[1:53:20] 14 days and then from there

[1:53:20] once the chief, whereas final

[1:53:22] approval over the board's

[1:53:24] findings, once that's done,

[1:53:26] the results are for it on to

[1:53:27] both the fire and police

[1:53:30] commission as well as the

[1:53:30] impacted members union. So the

[1:53:35] policy now matches how the

[1:53:36] practice really is with stop

[1:53:38] for 90 to Merit Award program.

[1:53:39] We replace the English with

[1:53:42] Distinguished Service Award and

[1:53:43] created the Career Achievement

[1:53:43] Award. We had a couple of other

[1:53:48] new awards project initiative

[1:53:49] the Year award for the Unit

[1:53:50] Service Award. We created an

[1:53:52] honorable mention because we

[1:53:53] had quite a number of units

[1:53:56] service awards. However, only

[1:53:56] one is selected. We thought it

[1:53:57] would be a good idea to have an

[1:54:01] honorable mention category for

[1:54:03] that. We took out the language

[1:54:04] because we move from to

[1:54:05] marriage ceremonies year one

[1:54:06] in spring and fall to just one

[1:54:11] annual ceremony which will be.

[1:54:13] 4th of this year. And then we

[1:54:14] also added a citizen Community

[1:54:17] Engagement award for U.S.

[1:54:19] Citizens.

[1:54:21] Computer equipment,

[1:54:22] applications and systems not

[1:54:22] going to bore you with all the

[1:54:25] language that's in there.

[1:54:25] But the big one was we updated

[1:54:27] the term people, staff member

[1:54:28] to employee id number as

[1:54:32] people, staff members are no

[1:54:34] longer used social networking

[1:54:35] sites change with the changing

[1:54:36] of the times. We language in

[1:54:38] there that reference social

[1:54:40] media platforms like Twitter.

[1:54:43] So we updated with modern

[1:54:44] language but probably

[1:54:45] the biggest area that we put in

[1:54:49] there was some language about

[1:54:53] generative ai.

[1:54:54] So why for sexual assault

[1:54:54] investigations? We allow people

[1:54:55] language in there along the

[1:54:58] victim to choose the interview

[1:54:58] location when practice

[1:55:00] practicable and ensure that

[1:55:01] the victims interviewed a

[1:55:04] private setting records with

[1:55:05] best practices we have received

[1:55:09] funding from the Common Council

[1:55:10] as part of our the end of 24.

[1:55:13] And 25 as part of our budget

[1:55:15] creates offerings, we were

[1:55:17] going to create 2 soffer rooms

[1:55:18] softening. Every one of our

[1:55:20] work location. So there's a

[1:55:21] staff room and every one of

[1:55:21] our district stations, as well

[1:55:24] as the police administration

[1:55:26] going.

[1:55:27] Lastly with the school resource

[1:55:31] officers So I greet this back

[1:55:33] in JULY, we updated something

[1:55:34] since then. 2 things updated.

[1:55:35] Its school resource officers

[1:55:37] are now assigned to a school to

[1:55:39] begin the school year. Adding

[1:55:41] that the panel interview for

[1:55:43] New can continue with with only

[1:55:44] mpd representatives. If MPs

[1:55:46] representatives are not

[1:55:47] available, participate. That

[1:55:49] concludes all the updates.

[1:55:49] Happy to answer any questions

[1:55:53] they would ask, though, that

[1:55:54] any questions related to school

[1:55:59] resource officers program be

[1:56:03] held until Captain Arbyrd

[1:56:05] the program is doing. We did

[1:56:07] send that over and ask that

[1:56:08] that So it held up until

[1:56:11] SEPTEMBER 17, but it was

[1:56:15] included on the agenda.

[1:56:17] Go ahead.

[1:56:20] What are the districts again

[1:56:23] for the soft loans?

[1:56:24] 2 through 7 as well as the

[1:56:26] police administration building

[1:56:27] which houses district number

[1:56:31] one as well as the criminal

[1:56:34] investigation bureau. Thank

[1:56:36] you.

[1:56:39] Are there any other questions

[1:56:41] or comments?

[1:56:43] MADAM Chair, I get just on

[1:56:44] that. No, I about firms as well

[1:56:47] as I just wanted to say.

[1:56:49] I definitely appreciate the

[1:56:51] expansion of Do think that

[1:56:54] those have the opportunity to

[1:56:56] make a big difference

[1:56:57] for individuals. I, of course,

[1:56:58] have questions about the sro

[1:57:00] program. The I'm happy to hold

[1:57:03] over for when we talk about

[1:57:05] that.

[1:57:09] With regards to the merit

[1:57:13] awards, I guess just said

[1:57:14] suggestion or a question about

[1:57:16] the sort of project an

[1:57:19] initiative of the year. I I

[1:57:21] would love if those could also

[1:57:22] acknowledge problem oriented

[1:57:23] policing initiatives and

[1:57:25] problem oriented policing work

[1:57:27] as the department continues to

[1:57:28] grow their efforts with pop.

[1:57:31] And I think that that's also

[1:57:32] particularly helpful for us

[1:57:36] on the promotion side as well

[1:57:37] as I have begun to ask folks

[1:57:40] during promotions about problem

[1:57:48] oriented policing efforts.

[1:57:51] A need for their comments.

[1:57:52] Questions. Okay. This is a

[1:57:54] further action is required.

[1:57:57] Director, please proceed with

[1:57:59] the agenda.

[1:58:00] I will now read the items under

[1:58:02] the Department of Emergency

[1:58:04] communication starting with

[1:58:07] item 11 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 7,

[1:58:09] resolution relating to the

[1:58:09] appointments to the emergency

[1:58:12] communications officer. One

[1:58:13] position, 15 appointments.

[1:58:14] Do any of the commissioners

[1:58:17] have any comments or questions

[1:58:26] regarding this item?

[1:58:27] Discussion?

[1:58:29] I will take a voice vote on

[1:58:33] this item all in favor. Please

[1:58:38] any opposed. And the extensions

[1:58:42] motion carries director, please

[1:58:45] proceed with the agenda item

[1:58:47] 12 f pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 7, 8,

[1:58:48] resolution relating to the

[1:58:48] contingent appointments to the

[1:58:49] emergency communications

[1:58:53] officer. One position, 9

[1:58:54] contingent appointments.

[1:58:54] Do any commissioners have any

[1:58:59] comments or questions on this

[1:59:02] Is there a motion on this

[1:59:04] matter? So second. Thank you.

[1:59:06] Well, take a voice vote on this

[1:59:10] item all in favor. Please

[1:59:17] signify by saying yes, I said

[1:59:19] carries. You know, it's

[1:59:22] interesting that we use the

[1:59:24] word. I like Mike. We're back

[1:59:27] in 19 o colonial times or

[1:59:28] tradition.

[1:59:32] Director, please proceed.

[1:59:34] All right. Item 13 f pc, 2, 1,

[1:59:34] 2, 6, 7, 9, resolution

[1:59:36] rescinding the promotion to

[1:59:39] the emergency communications

[1:59:41] officer for position.

[1:59:41] Can a member of the department

[1:59:44] please provide an overview of

[1:59:50] this request?

[1:59:56] That's why the human Resources

[2:00:02] Administration manager.

[2:00:06] And this is a relation to Katy

[2:00:08] available to complete the

[2:00:11] training that was required.

[2:00:13] As noted she has had time off

[2:00:13] payroll and due to an extended

[2:00:17] medical leave that inhibits her

[2:00:26] to do so.

[2:00:27] To make sure that.

[2:00:29] We are doing things on the up

[2:00:31] and up and not missing

[2:00:32] something here. If memory

[2:00:36] serves me correctly back at the

[2:00:39] last meeting in JULY, the board

[2:00:41] did these promotions contingent

[2:00:43] upon completing the training,

[2:00:46] which was a little unusual.

[2:00:47] But I think we were told that

[2:00:48] the completion of the training

[2:00:52] was expected. You know, at the

[2:00:56] end of that week, which would

[2:00:57] I think

[2:00:59] and then now this person's on

[2:01:03] extended medical leave. So I

[2:01:06] 2 questions. The first one MAY

[2:01:07] be less important if if the

[2:01:11] person was on the medical leave

[2:01:15] that at that time and 2 we have

[2:01:15] to be careful that if someone's

[2:01:19] on a type of legally protected

[2:01:20] leave, that they're not

[2:01:24] they are afforded the

[2:01:26] opportunity to complete just

[2:01:27] given the same substantive

[2:01:27] opportunity that that someone

[2:01:28] else would be. And I just want

[2:01:30] to make sure we're not missing

[2:01:33] that. And creating a potential

[2:01:35] problem.

[2:01:38] Yes, says thank you for asking

[2:01:39] that question. That employees

[2:01:42] still has not returned back

[2:01:44] from her leave. So we haven't

[2:01:45] had the opportunity to allow

[2:01:45] her to do that since she has

[2:01:49] not returned back from leave.

[2:02:00] Would there be any harm in

[2:02:03] How long has she been out?

[2:02:10] At least she has been out.

[2:02:13] That information in front of

[2:02:14] me. So I guess I would be that

[2:02:17] MAY be giving accurate

[2:02:19] information. But I no the

[2:02:23] recent information that we have

[2:02:25] received from her. I was in

[2:02:28] regards to a doctor note with

[2:02:29] some being out sometime in

[2:02:32] July. Up until this time, she

[2:02:40] has not returned.

[2:02:41] Has to be carefully.

[2:02:43] Looked at in terms of whether

[2:02:47] or not there's an to this

[2:02:48] person or like and I know

[2:02:51] that's not really the subject

[2:02:54] matter here, I I'm sensitive

[2:02:59] to those questions.

[2:03:00] So if she does request.

[2:03:03] Reinstatement after her medical

[2:03:04] leave.

[2:03:07] Which you have an opportunity

[2:03:11] to make that request.

[2:03:11] That and the request is in

[2:03:12] regards to accommodating her

[2:03:16] to complete the training.

[2:03:17] That is that the question?

[2:03:18] No, I don't know what kind of

[2:03:20] accommodation she MAY or MAY

[2:03:23] not need. I'm just wondering

[2:03:26] whether or not your rescinding

[2:03:28] the promotion.

[2:03:33] But she's still employed.

[2:03:36] Yes, she is still employed.

[2:03:40] She's not return back from that

[2:03:41] accommodations that are

[2:03:44] required, we will engage in

[2:03:45] that interactive process with

[2:03:46] hair and follow that city

[2:03:53] process. With regards to that.

[2:03:58] Just

[2:04:00] Why

[2:04:00] this particular individual, I'm

[2:04:03] sure if they're promoting, they

[2:04:07] have to go through.

[2:04:08] A probationary period.

[2:04:12] The probationary period.

[2:04:19] It this wasn't rescinded by us.

[2:04:20] No, I think that the the

[2:04:23] promotion it's to a position.

[2:04:25] That she will still have her

[2:04:27] old position to go back to.

[2:04:33] That yes.

[2:04:36] If this wasn't enough for us.

[2:04:40] This individual would have to

[2:04:41] probationary period because

[2:04:45] it is a new position for her

[2:04:47] work in, I believe so. So this

[2:04:50] is essentially a promotion from

[2:04:52] a call taker to a dispatcher.

[2:04:53] And that requires that they

[2:04:55] complete a certain amount of

[2:04:58] training to be the dispatcher.

[2:04:59] The promotion was approved, but

[2:05:02] contingent upon completing the

[2:05:04] training. That is a that was a

[2:05:05] little unusual, but it was

[2:05:07] thought that given the upcoming

[2:05:08] AUGUST recess and how close

[2:05:12] these individuals were, that

[2:05:14] exception was warranted.

[2:05:15] So that's the situation we find

[2:05:18] ourselves in now. And I do

[2:05:21] understand that point.

[2:05:23] And I do understand the chair's

[2:05:33] point in that we want to make

[2:05:36] training. If you will. If we

[2:05:38] rescinded this.

[2:05:41] This individual would go back

[2:05:43] to the

[2:05:44] old position and would not

[2:05:49] necessarily be eligible for

[2:05:51] promotion and chill. Some later

[2:05:56] period. Yes, some individual

[2:05:59] role.

[2:06:10] The reason for. Asking.

[2:06:11] To rescind this is to allow

[2:06:14] another individual to step into

[2:06:17] that role.

[2:06:17] Assuming the answer is no.

[2:06:20] But I'll let the department to

[2:06:27] answer that.

[2:06:28] Where I don't think that she

[2:06:32] would be taking another spot at

[2:06:34] this time. But when there is

[2:06:37] another class that's available

[2:06:38] to do that, we certainly would

[2:06:41] put her back into that to

[2:06:43] achieve obtaining that other

[2:06:45] level of echo role. Do we know

[2:06:48] when that might that next class

[2:06:51] might be? Because I think it

[2:06:54] speaks to.

[2:06:55] The chairs. Want to ensure that

[2:06:58] there's an accommodation within

[2:07:00] a reasonable timeframe.

[2:07:00] Training department. I don't

[2:07:03] have that with me right now.

[2:07:09] It makes in my mind, it makes

[2:07:15] sense to rescind this right.

[2:07:16] If if there is an upcoming date

[2:07:19] pit, this individual could

[2:07:20] possibly fall within.

[2:07:23] Then I don't know if I would

[2:07:25] vote to rescind it.

[2:07:26] Yeah, right. Understanding it's

[2:07:33] a timing issue right? Exactly.

[2:07:38] Get some clarity. If I recall

[2:07:41] correctly, when we had

[2:07:43] candidates were very close to

[2:07:47] the completion of the training.

[2:07:48] Do you know how close this

[2:07:49] person was to completion and

[2:07:52] do we have estimate as to when

[2:07:56] they'll return?

[2:07:59] With regards to the closeness

[2:08:01] of completion. I don't have

[2:08:02] that data right now. But I know

[2:08:05] at that time when we were

[2:08:08] reviewing the

[2:08:10] initial list, you know, their

[2:08:11] word variance exists between

[2:08:13] individuals and when they were

[2:08:14] finished Sheehan. But I I I

[2:08:16] would generally say, you know,

[2:08:22] they probably had like 5 or 6

[2:08:24] types of items to complete the

[2:08:28] list with regards to when this

[2:08:31] person will return, we don't

[2:08:32] have a specific date yet at

[2:08:35] this time from the individual

[2:08:36] we have been reaching out to

[2:08:38] her to talk with her, to

[2:08:41] understand that.

[2:08:44] With this individual have to

[2:08:45] do the training. Start over

[2:08:46] with the training or just

[2:08:48] complete the missing

[2:08:51] components.

[2:08:54] I would have to defer to the

[2:08:55] training department. They do

[2:08:57] sometimes have assessments and

[2:08:58] things that they will complete.

[2:09:01] You know, based on the length

[2:09:02] of time that there has been so

[2:09:05] so fire right now since that

[2:09:07] was approved back in JULY.

[2:09:10] We're already over a month's

[2:09:14] time with her. Having that gap.

[2:09:17] Okay. And practically speaking

[2:09:18] since the promotion was

[2:09:29] contingent, it's not in effect

[2:09:32] doesn't really matter one way

[2:09:38] or the other. So what

[2:09:44] one thing that I can see.

[2:09:56] On fire. Second, that. Any

[2:09:57] discussion?

[2:10:03] All those in favor, please

[2:10:07] signify by saying Aye. I I and

[2:10:09] he posed any abstentions.

[2:10:11] Motion carries director, please

[2:10:13] not read the items under the

[2:10:15] fire department starting with

[2:10:18] item 14 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 0,

[2:10:19] resolution relating to the

[2:10:20] promotion of Dennis m see them

[2:10:23] to the emergency vehicle

[2:10:24] mechanic 3 position.

[2:10:26] Do any of the commissioners

[2:10:33] have any comments or questions

[2:10:34] The department wish to.

[2:10:35] I provide in a statement

[2:10:37] regarding this promote this

[2:10:42] promotion?

[2:10:44] Yes, this is Chief Lipski.

[2:10:45] Hearing this one point of

[2:10:46] clarification. It's not a

[2:10:49] promotion. It's a new hire.

[2:10:53] Oh, okay.

[2:10:54] He is eminently qualified.

[2:10:55] Will be happy to have him in

[2:10:58] this capacity. Think you so

[2:11:00] much.

[2:11:01] Ok? Well, we need good

[2:11:04] mechanics to keep those rigs

[2:11:10] Brolin. Is there a motion on

[2:11:13] second, any discussion?

[2:11:14] At this is listed here as a

[2:11:17] promotion. It is that most be a

[2:11:20] being promoted into a position.

[2:11:30] Me because but do we need a

[2:11:35] All those in favor, please

[2:11:35] any opposed any abstentions

[2:11:38] motion carries director, please

[2:11:43] proceed with the agenda.

[2:11:44] Item, 15 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 1,

[2:11:45] resolution relating to the

[2:11:48] promotion without examination

[2:11:48] of Keith Anderson to the

[2:11:51] painter, 3 position. And I hope

[2:11:54] this is a promotion.

[2:11:57] Chief lipski. What can you tell

[2:12:04] us about this item?

[2:12:07] Keith we'll enjoy a promotion

[2:12:08] of so approved. He is

[2:12:12] incredibly qualified. He's been

[2:12:13] with us since 2020 does all

[2:12:17] manner of incredible things.

[2:12:18] Not only just keeping our

[2:12:22] facilities are kept up, making

[2:12:33] artist and a craftsman. Thank

[2:12:35] approval. Second.

[2:12:36] Okay. This is a genuine

[2:12:38] promotions. So we will take a

[2:12:40] roll call. Vote. Commissioner

[2:12:45] Burgos. Commissioner Evans.

[2:12:48] Commissioner Fund. I

[2:12:49] Commissioner Amy. Commissioner

[2:12:52] Snyder. I Commissioner Spence.

[2:12:55] Commissioner Rob Patterson.

[2:13:00] And the chair votes. Aye motion

[2:13:06] carries please proceed with

[2:13:07] the agenda item 16 f pc,

[2:13:08] 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 2, resolution

[2:13:09] rescinding the appointments to

[2:13:12] the firefighter position for

[2:13:15] rescissions.

[2:13:18] Okay.

[2:13:20] These rescissions because they

[2:13:22] wouldn't that able to complete.

[2:13:23] Yes, they either withdrew from

[2:13:26] the process or did not complete

[2:13:30] pre-employment King.

[2:13:35] Do any commissioners have

[2:13:39] 0nd. Okay. Any other comment

[2:13:40] or discussion?

[2:13:43] All those in favor. Please

[2:13:48] signify by saying by saying

[2:13:51] abstentions

[2:13:55] motion carries director, please

[2:13:56] proceed item. 17 pc,

[2:13:58] 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 3, resolution

[2:13:59] rescinding the appointments to

[2:14:02] the fire cadet position for

[2:14:09] rescissions.

[2:14:21] Discussion.

[2:14:23] Okay. The now take a voice vote

[2:14:25] on this item all in favor.

[2:14:31] Please signify by saying Aye,

[2:14:32] abstentions. Motion carries

[2:14:36] director, please proceed with

[2:14:37] the agenda. Moving on to the

[2:14:38] items under the police

[2:14:41] department starting with item

[2:14:43] 18 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 4,

[2:14:44] resolution relating to the

[2:14:45] promotion of Christopher for

[2:14:45] Christopher Ferguson to the

[2:14:48] maintenance assistant position.

[2:14:52] Okay. Do any commissioners have

[2:14:55] any comments or questions

[2:14:56] regarding this item?

[2:15:02] MADAM Chair, yes of approval of

[2:15:03] discussion.

[2:15:04] I will take a roll call vote in

[2:15:07] alphabetical Order.

[2:15:10] Commissioner Bill Gross.

[2:15:15] Commissioner Evans.

[2:15:17] Commissioner Amy.

[2:15:18] Commissioner Snyder High

[2:15:21] Commissioner World Patterson.

[2:15:24] The chair votes aye motion

[2:15:27] carries director. Please

[2:15:31] proceed with the agenda.

[2:15:31] Item. 19 of pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,

[2:15:33] 4, resolution relating to the

[2:15:35] request to waive rule 11

[2:15:40] Section 2, a for to police.

[2:15:40] Can a member of the department

[2:15:44] please provide an overview of

[2:15:47] this request?

[2:15:52] And a good meeting. MADAM Chair

[2:15:54] So we have our last class of

[2:15:57] the year class 3 of 2026.

[2:15:59] Starting on DECEMBER 7.

[2:16:01] And when we were kind of

[2:16:02] looking at and we're still

[2:16:03] going through the applications.

[2:16:04] So we're not quite sure how big

[2:16:05] the class is going to be, but

[2:16:05] it is also going to have a

[2:16:08] number of police police say,

[2:16:10] isn't it? We do have to police

[2:16:11] age that fall just short.

[2:16:13] I'll get to that in a second

[2:16:17] of the age requirement to be

[2:16:18] 21. We have police say Gordon,

[2:16:20] who's been with us since AUGUST

[2:16:22] of 25. So he does he will have

[2:16:24] had about a year and 4 months.

[2:16:27] And by the time the class

[2:16:32] starts and he has a birth date

[2:16:33] 3 days after started the

[2:16:36] academy class that we have

[2:16:37] police $0.08 who's been with us

[2:16:40] since JULY. 24. So I have about

[2:16:43] 2 and a half years in.

[2:16:45] When the class starts in

[2:16:48] DECEMBER and his birthday is

[2:16:50] DECEMBER 13th of 2005. So we

[2:16:53] have 2 individuals to highly

[2:16:55] motivated young adults who are

[2:16:56] going to be 21 win. The class

[2:16:59] starts but they'll be 21 by the

[2:17:00] end of the first week of

[2:17:02] that class, we understand and

[2:17:03] I spoke and executive director

[2:17:04] about this. There are a number

[2:17:05] of steps they would have to

[2:17:07] complete. None of which I don't

[2:17:11] think our impossible overcome.

[2:17:12] For instance, they're already

[2:17:13] employed with The background

[2:17:16] check was already done. You

[2:17:17] would have to be updated.

[2:17:22] They have to take their prt

[2:17:26] physical readiness test.

[2:17:28] It's built into their

[2:17:29] curriculum is regularly of

[2:17:31] testing on their physical

[2:17:32] fitness, prepare them for the

[2:17:34] academy. And since we're

[2:17:38] allowing those who are ready,

[2:17:39] applicants who had failed the

[2:17:40] prt previously to test and

[2:17:42] passed up until the start of

[2:17:43] the class. I don't believe that

[2:17:47] that's impossible to overcome.

[2:17:48] And that just leaves the

[2:17:52] psychological test. And since

[2:17:53] we have 3 months between now

[2:17:53] and the start of the class, we

[2:17:57] do believe that it's possible

[2:18:01] for them to get him in, get

[2:18:04] that on and then see

[2:18:09] them successfully and to the

[2:18:12] waived for these 2 find young

[2:18:19] individuals.

[2:18:21] A board fpc board ruled that

[2:18:24] they have to be 21 before they

[2:18:28] enter a class. From police say

[2:18:29] 2 police officers.

[2:18:31] And and that the question is

[2:18:35] whether or not to waive that

[2:18:44] rule and limited term of these

[2:18:50] when appropriate houses

[2:18:51] I do have a good faith.

[2:18:54] Disagreement with the assistant

[2:18:57] chiefs are now on this. I

[2:18:58] forwarded an e-mail from Fpc

[2:19:01] staff to the commissioners to

[2:19:05] copies in the file

[2:19:07] well, I do appreciate isis are

[2:19:08] now Zephyr to get as many

[2:19:09] officers and police aids into

[2:19:11] our classes as soon as

[2:19:11] possible. That's something that

[2:19:15] generally speaking is my goal

[2:19:18] as well. That said, I do feel

[2:19:22] in this particular instance,

[2:19:22] there is not in my opinion

[2:19:26] sufficient justification for

[2:19:28] waiving the rule, given that

[2:19:31] there will be an Adu next class

[2:19:32] in MARCH. So 3 or 4 months

[2:19:33] later, it's not as if they

[2:19:34] would have to wait an

[2:19:37] additional year. It's a matter

[2:19:40] of months. More importantly,

[2:19:42] though, I do think that this

[2:19:44] would if not be impossible,

[2:19:48] would be very for fpc staff to

[2:19:50] complete this. Given the timing

[2:19:53] of the request coming after

[2:19:56] pre-employment has

[2:19:58] already started the rspca human

[2:20:00] resource officer who deals with

[2:20:01] police lays out in his e-mail

[2:20:05] and some detail why that would

[2:20:07] be very difficult. And just I

[2:20:07] think that's another factor as

[2:20:10] to why the request should not

[2:20:19] be granted.

[2:20:20] Some hesitancy and this, too,

[2:20:26] but it's about waiving a rule

[2:20:27] that what's the slippery s#

[2:20:27] #

[2:20:30] here? It is compelling that

[2:20:31] it's within the week but would

[2:20:35] not be compelling if it was

[2:20:36] within a month. And where would

[2:20:40] we draw the line and future

[2:20:44] request for waiver?

[2:20:47] So there's that to consider as

[2:20:51] sure.

[2:20:56] With the police department.

[2:20:57] Well, 40 years, this is a

[2:20:57] regular occurrence. I can be

[2:21:02] classed do it to police aides

[2:21:07] who were. Allowed into the

[2:21:09] 34 years in the police

[2:21:14] department. Such a good time.

[2:21:19] He's been dozens of police

[2:21:24] event.

[2:21:33] Says issue, that's not a

[2:21:46] problem, should be a problem.

[2:21:49] Haven't read the email from

[2:21:55] Jordan, it clearly outlines how

[2:21:56] chilly impassable to get

[2:21:59] everything done in a timely

[2:22:00] fashion again, while it be

[2:22:05] great and every single one we

[2:22:06] worth everything we can do.

[2:22:10] But unfortunate. Just a bad run

[2:22:14] time of year for it to be

[2:22:23] that is true.

[2:22:24] To waive the the rule.

[2:22:26] Is there such motion and just a

[2:22:29] point of order? I think that

[2:22:32] would require a two-thirds.

[2:22:35] Vote to wave to rule moment.

[2:22:51] It's the potential.

[2:22:56] MAY not that this MAY not are

[2:22:59] these still interested?

[2:23:02] Everybody? Yeah, they're

[2:23:03] they're aware that, you know,

[2:23:06] it's it's contingent upon ftc

[2:23:09] approval. And are they still

[2:23:12] interested?

[2:23:13] Anyone coming becoming police

[2:23:16] officers and waiting until the

[2:23:19] next cycle?

[2:23:21] Yes, as I said, they're they're

[2:23:21] motivated young adults. And

[2:23:22] they understand that we saw

[2:23:25] this as an opportunity to get

[2:23:28] them. And now rather than wait

[2:23:29] 3 months because it is also a

[2:23:31] significant bump in pay going

[2:23:33] from police say the recruiting

[2:23:37] officer, they would then

[2:23:38] JUNE class, rather than have to

[2:23:41] wait to start to MARCH and then

[2:23:42] graduate in OCTOBER. So and

[2:23:45] given the fact that we have

[2:23:48] class, one of 26 is currently

[2:23:52] at 28 with 5 ladder. Also, 33

[2:23:55] in class 2. A 26 I'm to of.

[2:23:56] 26 is now at 28. Anything we

[2:23:59] can do to increase class sizes.

[2:24:06] We are definitely going to

[2:24:09] explore. Thank you.

[2:24:13] Commissioner Burgos the year

[2:24:15] experience is that it was a

[2:24:17] loud routinely. If it they were

[2:24:20] turning. 21 within the same

[2:24:24] pay period. Is that right?

[2:24:25] Assistant chiefs are no.

[2:24:28] Are you aware of that? And then

[2:24:35] is that the history as I am

[2:24:35] aware that it happened

[2:24:36] previously. This is the first

[2:24:38] time I am aware of, though,

[2:24:39] that under Chief Norman, we

[2:24:42] have asked for the rules, be

[2:24:45] waived. Okay. Okay.

[2:24:52] I would suggest that if we're

[2:24:54] good, do they at that? We be

[2:24:57] consistent and perhaps have

[2:25:00] a footnote to the rule about

[2:25:02] the pay period.

[2:25:03] Period so that it's not, you

[2:25:04] know, 2 months later and

[2:25:07] somebody saying, well, I didn't

[2:25:11] get that.

[2:25:16] So that's that would be my

[2:25:19] being alluded to earlier about

[2:25:33] the email, I think that begins

[2:25:39] maybe leaving us to the call of

[2:25:40] even the eligible pool based on

[2:25:42] what I'm eating this e-mail as

[2:25:43] think this is not eligible for

[2:25:46] the MARCH class because he

[2:25:47] would have the 2 years. So I

[2:25:49] think I mean, I don't Huge

[2:25:51] issue that of the song, right

[2:25:52] foot. I just think there's

[2:25:55] other concerning issues

[2:25:56] outlined by the ftc that

[2:25:59] wouldn't even allow some of

[2:26:02] In fairness, the the two-year

[2:26:06] period was reduced to a year so

[2:26:08] that that's not a hindrance.

[2:26:14] Concern. My primary concern

[2:26:15] is with this being

[2:26:16] realistically possible and

[2:26:18] overburdening fpc staff Jordan

[2:26:20] is someone that works extremely

[2:26:22] hard. He has a lot on his plate

[2:26:23] and he does its job very well.

[2:26:26] And I want to be real sensitive

[2:26:32] and respectful of that. MADAM

[2:26:34] Am in agreement with

[2:26:37] Commissioner Amy. I don't

[2:26:38] necessarily have an issue

[2:26:41] fundamentally with the waiving

[2:26:42] of the rule in cases where the

[2:26:45] birthday is extremely close

[2:26:46] tonight.

[2:26:48] In a very sensitive to the need

[2:26:49] that we have to increase class

[2:26:50] size. And I think we hear that

[2:26:52] from the community all the

[2:26:54] time. I think I I just agree

[2:26:58] that my concern is with in this

[2:27:01] particular situation, the the

[2:27:02] feasibility, if start of the

[2:27:03] person that's responsible for

[2:27:04] getting this done is saying

[2:27:07] that it's not really possible

[2:27:10] to get it done.

[2:27:14] Okay. That. Okay. So with that

[2:27:16] in mind is do we need a motion

[2:27:21] to hold it to the call of the

[2:27:22] options you could. There could

[2:27:27] be a motion hold it or to place

[2:27:29] it on file or too.

[2:27:33] Approve. It approving it would

[2:27:41] Well, I need a motion of some

[2:27:42] Is there a motion to place the

[2:27:48] center filed a move to place?

[2:27:55] In favor. Please signify by

[2:27:59] Any opposed

[2:28:03] We have one dissent. That's

[2:28:04] fine.

[2:28:06] However, the majority voted.

[2:28:10] I so the motion carries.

[2:28:16] Director, please proceed.

[2:28:17] I'm 20 fpc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 6

[2:28:18] resolution rescinding the

[2:28:21] appointments to the police

[2:28:24] officer transfer position.

[2:28:29] Do any commissioners have any

[2:28:33] questions about this?

[2:28:36] I guess not.

[2:28:41] MADAM Chair. Yes, move

[2:28:43] Okay.

[2:28:44] I'll take a voice vote on this

[2:28:47] item all in favor. Please

[2:28:50] signify by saying Aye.

[2:28:53] Any opposed.

[2:28:53] Any abstentions motion carries

[2:28:56] that director. Please proceed.

[2:29:00] Item. 21 pc, 2, 1, 2, 6, 8,

[2:29:02] 7 resolution rescinding the

[2:29:03] appointments to the police

[2:29:06] officer position. 14

[2:29:08] rescissions.

[2:29:11] Chair. Yes, move approval.

[2:29:13] Second.

[2:29:15] Do any commissioners have any

[2:29:18] questions or comments? Any

[2:29:19] discussion?

[2:29:22] I'll take a voice vote on this

[2:29:24] matter. All in favor. Please

[2:29:27] signify by saying Aye. Aye and

[2:29:30] he opposed.

[2:29:32] Any abstentions. Motion carries

[2:29:35] director, please proceed item.

[2:29:36] 22 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 8,

[2:29:38] resolution rescinding the

[2:29:40] appointments to the police say

[2:29:40] position 3 rescissions. Chair.

[2:29:44] Yes, move approval. Second.

[2:29:53] U.S. Is there any discussion?

[2:29:55] I'll take a voice vote on this

[2:29:57] item all in favor. Please

[2:30:01] signify by saying Aye, aye.

[2:30:02] Aye. Aye. Any opposed any

[2:30:07] abstentions motion carries

[2:30:09] director, please proceed.

[2:30:10] 23 f pc 2, 1, 2, 6, 8, 9

[2:30:11] resolution rescinding the

[2:30:11] appointments to the police

[2:30:12] district, administrative

[2:30:15] assistant position to

[2:30:16] rescissions.

[2:30:20] We seem to have a whole lineup

[2:30:24] of these guys and chair.

[2:30:26] Approval?

[2:30:26] Second. Okay. All right.

[2:30:29] Great. I don't think there's

[2:30:30] any discussion.

[2:30:31] I will take a voice vote on

[2:30:34] this item all in favor. Please

[2:30:37] signify by saying Aye. Aye.

[2:30:41] Annie opposed any abstentions.

[2:30:42] Motion carries director, please

[2:30:43] proceed with the agenda that

[2:30:45] concludes the agenda. MADAM

[2:30:46] Chair.

[2:30:49] Do I have a motion to adjourn?

[2:30:50] The move?

[2:30:55] Second second second, 3rd, 4th

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