[15:08] At this time, I'd like to call to order the special Joint Council, City Council,

[15:13] and Tomal Economic Development Corporation meeting for August 21st,

[15:18] 2026. The time now is 100 pm. >> And at this time, I will call to order

[15:27] the August 21st, 2026 special joint meeting of the Pal Economic Development

[15:32] Corporation Board of Director Pal City Council. And it is called to order at 1

[15:36] p.m. >> Right now, we're going to move to public

[15:39] comments and receipt of petitions. At this time, anyone will be allowed to

[15:43] speak on any matter other than personal matters or matters under litigation for

[15:47] a length of time not to exceed 3 minutes.

[15:51] No council or board discussion or action may take place on a matter until such

[15:56] matter has been placed on the agenda and posted in accordance with a law GC551

[16:01] spot 042. With no objection, consil council

[16:06] remarks shall not be profane, vulgar, and abusive. if you guys already know

[16:10] that and um no personal attacks will be tolerated. Thank you for your

[16:15] cooperation. We have anybody that's wants to speak.

[16:18] » Yes, sir. First one is Esther Marina. >> Marina, please give us your full name

[16:25] and address, please. >> Esther Mera 515 Kane Street.

[16:30] I remember the very first time I ever came to this council room to speak to

[16:35] the council. It was the day the TDC brought in here their consultant from

[16:38] New York to present their plan for the venue and the room was completely full.

[16:43] The lobby was completely full. The people showed up to oppose that plan

[16:48] because we love this town. And today I am here to say thank you. Thank you to

[16:52] this council. Thank you for supporting and for voting down this development. We

[16:57] are honored to have you as our representatives. I also remember that

[17:01] first day when Lisa Coington was here acting simultaneously as the council

[17:07] woman that she is and the president of the TDC. She said she sat there and then

[17:12] she crossed over and argued at length in favor of the TDC's. How is this ethical?

[17:19] It's like looking at a soccer game where the referee is also playing for one of

[17:23] the teams. Will Lisa Coington finally recuse herself?

[17:28] Last time I spoke here, I presented how the TDC has kept the community in the

[17:34] dark to pursue its own agenda. Apparently, they didn't like that

[17:38] because shortly afterward, the TDC expelled me from the community advisory

[17:43] board. At the TDC, apparently free speech has consequences.

[17:50] But the TDC has had its chance and it has failed. It has wasted hundreds of

[17:56] thousands of community dollars on consultants. Its salaries and operating

[18:00] costs are astronomical and it has repeatedly antagonize the community. I

[18:06] want to acknowledge also that there are very honorable people, very honorable

[18:10] people serving at the TDC boards and I have seen them become uncomfortable with

[18:14] the course its leadership is taken. But the fact still remains that the TDC has

[18:19] already developed virtually all the available land in Tumble and at this

[18:22] point is just like a cancer with nowhere left to grow and now trying to consume

[18:27] the very heart of Tombal. Tumble deserves better than that. Maybe it is

[18:32] time to say goodbye to an organization that has become expensive,

[18:35] untrustworthy, and deeply out of touch with the

[18:38] community it is supposed to serve. And this is not just talk. 1,000 signatures

[18:44] can put this on the ballot. 10,000 signatures. Tombal can easily do that.

[18:50] The time has come to put the future of Tombal back where it belongs, in the

[18:54] hands of this council and the people of Tombal. Thank you.

[18:59] » Thank you. >> Do we have another person?

[19:03] » Yeah. Next, we have John Reed. >> Mr. Reid, your name and address.

[19:11] I know what it is. [laughter] Um,

[19:16] I'm I'm uh stalling till I get my phone open. I'm John Reid uh 515 Kain Street.

[19:23] Um, today I came here uh to thank the

[19:27] council um for your position taken on the Legacy Square project going forward.

[19:35] I appreciate it. You listen to the community and the community I know

[19:40] appreciates being heard. I'd also like to thank the community. Um, there were a

[19:46] lot of people who have been coming out here repeatedly spending their time

[19:51] putting putting out their ideas for what should happen here and we don't all

[19:55] agree but everyone deserves the right to be heard and I thank everybody. Um, I um

[20:07] wanted to talk about investing in Tombball because that's sort of part of

[20:12] the nature of this whole project and I think um the original uh the feasibility

[20:20] study presented by Duncan Webb when he presented it he said uh there will be no

[20:26] return on investment the it's not possible you have to raise the money to

[20:30] do all this and then rent it. Um, that sounds rough. Uh, I say invest less,

[20:37] have more fun, find out what the community wants. And I'm also here to

[20:43] clear up a few things about makerpace and community centers because I've been

[20:47] involved with them and I've gone to see them. Um, maker spaces, I'm not going to

[20:53] say they make money because they're nonprofit, but they they build up money.

[20:58] Uh the Maker Barn right up the street here has a 9month waiting list to get

[21:03] in. And uh that should tell you that people are waiting nine months to pay

[21:08] their dues. It's a viable, workable organization. Most community

[21:14] centers are generate positive revenue. They're not supported by tax dollars.

[21:19] Some are there. There are definitely some, but most not. Um, and the nice

[21:25] thing about these things is that they can be um, evolved into what fits the

[21:31] community the best. And I think that's what we're all really here hopefully to

[21:37] talk about is how we're going to invest best in the community.

[21:43] And this is an investment that kind of goes beyond economic de uh, investment.

[21:49] And frankly, I think the economic investment of the previous grand plan is

[21:56] bankruptcy. And I think that a much more modest plan

[22:01] and a plan that invests in the community is a far better plan. It brings people

[22:07] down here. Uh it gets them together. It lets retired people teach skills to

[22:12] other people. It gives space for crafts, children's activities, artists, music,

[22:18] all those things. >> Sir, that's your time.

[22:20] » That's my time. >> Thank you, Mr.

[22:22] » You get the idea. >> Thank you so much to everyone.

[22:26] » Next, we have Kristen Hec.

[22:31] » Name and address Hec. >> Oh, that's

[22:37] » Kristen Hecra. Uh first and foremost, I do want to

[22:41] sincerely thank the members of city council who have listened to the

[22:46] residents and recognized the concern surrounding this project.

[22:50] Um it does mean a lot when our elected officials actually listen to the people

[22:54] they represent. Most of you have earned the respect you deserve.

[22:58] As a lifetime resident who truly cares about preserving the character of

[23:02] Tombbo, I do want to find ways for our community

[23:06] to grow in a way that makes sense. I don't believe a large music hall

[23:11] or additional parking lots are what Tombbo needs

[23:15] really. I would much rather see green space that we have left and where

[23:19] possible maybe even add more. We have spent countless dollars on studies and

[23:25] plans prepared by people who in my opinion they don't have Tombbo's best

[23:29] interest at heart. At this point, I question

[23:34] really whether the TDC is serving the direction this community actually wants.

[23:39] Really, in my opinion, the TDC has become irrelevant to Tombal's future,

[23:43] and I will firmly stand behind a citizen petition to dissolve it completely.

[23:50] As the founder and president of the Tombball Preservation Society, I would

[23:53] personally love to develop or help develop a Tombbo heritage and

[23:58] agricultural corner. if we turn this property into a community center uh or

[24:03] an art market concept. Um Tombbo has such a rich history, you

[24:08] guys, and from the railroad and agriculture to the oil boom that helped

[24:11] shape our town. I think we have an opportunity to tell a story in a way

[24:15] that is fun and meaningful for the next generation.

[24:19] I love to see historic photographs and displays highlighting Tomba's oil,

[24:25] railroad, farming, and ranching history alongside an interactive agricultural

[24:30] area where children can learn about farm animals and where their food actually

[24:36] comes from. We could involve our local FFA and 4H

[24:41] students. They need that. Um, we need to allow them to bring animals and teach

[24:45] children and families about different breeds of livestock, agriculture, and

[24:49] the work that goes into raising them. This is really something I would

[24:53] personally love to be involved with. Preservation isn't only about protecting

[24:57] what is still standing. It's about making sure the next generation

[25:01] understands where to came from. We don't need to turn turn to something else.

[25:06] Let's invest in what makes Tombball Tombball. Thank you.

[25:14] Next we have Kendall Wolf.

[25:24] » Name and address

[25:28] » Indel Wolf 504 Kain Street. >> Thank you.

[25:32] » Thank you. Today I want to begin with something I

[25:36] believe extremely is extremely important. saying thank you to those who

[25:41] listened to the residents of Tombbo who heard our concerns and who took the time

[25:45] to consider what this proposal would actually mean for the people who live

[25:48] here and who ultimately voted against the Sorry, I lose my place. Okay, thank

[25:55] you. You did not simply cast a vote. You demonstrated that the voices of the

[25:59] residents still matter. And I want you to understand that your decision was

[26:02] noted noticed. It mattered and it gave many of us a renewed sense of faith that

[26:06] our elected officials can still listen to the people they represent.

[26:11] Because this fight has never been about being against progress. It has never

[26:14] been about being against homba and it certainly hasn't been about

[26:19] being against the arts, entertainment or economic development. It is about what

[26:23] kind of development belongs in this particular place. We are talking about a

[26:27] historic part of downtown Tombbo. We are talking about a property with deep

[26:31] historical and personal significance to families in this community. We are

[26:35] talking about the former First Baptist Church property and the surrounding

[26:38] neighborhood, not just an empty empty parcel of land sitting on the outside of

[26:42] town. The proposal has consequences beyond what can be placed on a

[26:46] presentation board. A large music venue brings traffic. It

[26:50] brings parking demands. It brings noise. It br it changes the character of the

[26:54] surrounding area. And when additional parking is proposed to accommodate that

[26:58] development, the impact does not simply disappear,

[27:02] it gets pushed outward into the surrounding community. This is why

[27:06] residents had continued to speak. And that is why I'm asking this council not

[27:11] to make persistence mistake persistence for opposition to progress. We are

[27:16] present because we care about Tombbo.

[27:21] When one person has leadership role in an in entity advancing or supporting a

[27:26] development concept and simultaneously holds an elected position responsible

[27:30] for considering matters involving that development, the public has every right

[27:34] whether to ask to ask whether the pro process is sufficiently

[27:41] independent and transparent. And even when every action is technically

[27:46] permissible, the appearance of divided interests interests matters. Our local

[27:52] government should not merely avoid actual conflicts. It should avoid

[27:56] situations that cause residents to reasonably question whether they are

[27:59] receiving an impartial prog process. This is not an attack. This is

[28:03] accountability. And to those that have continued pushing this proposal despite

[28:07] the overwhelming concerns raised by residents, I want to say this as plainly

[28:11] and professionally as I possibly can. You are not entitled to our silence

[28:15] simply because you disagree with us. You are not entitled to reshape a historic

[28:19] neighborhood and then tell people who live there that they should simply

[28:22] accept it. You are not entitled to call something community development while

[28:26] disregarding the community when they tell you that they do not want that

[28:29] particular development. >> Miss Wolf, that's your time. Thank you.

[28:33] » Thank you, Miss L. >> Who do we have next?

[28:36] » Next, we have Lisa Daniels. >> Miss Daniels. Name, address, all the

[28:43] particulars. >> Yeah. Here. Um, Lisa Daniels, 403 EP

[28:48] Street. I'm at the corner of North Oak in EPS. And my backyard is the backyard

[28:54] of the metal building in the back. The um I don't forget what it's called, what

[28:58] it's wants to be called. Anyway, I look at it every morning. Um, good afternoon

[29:03] TDC and members of the Tombball City Council. I want to thank you for

[29:07] listening to the residents who have expressed concerns about the proposed

[29:10] development next to our homes. Your willingness to hear us and consider

[29:15] other possibilities really shows that citizen involvement matters in Tombball.

[29:20] For those living beside this property, these plans are more than drawings on

[29:24] paper. These decisions will affect our home traffic safety, property values,

[29:28] and quality of life. First, I want to state that I continue

[29:33] to remain opposed to any large amplified music venue and the additional parking

[29:38] lots needed to support it. That type of intensive use is not compatible with

[29:43] established uh residential neighborhoods.

[29:46] However, I do support development that benefits Tombal while respecting nearby

[29:51] homes. A thoughtfully designed cultural arts venue in maker space could provide

[29:56] opportunities for local artists, crafts people, students, families, and small

[30:01] businesses. I hope the city will welcome formal proposals explaining how these

[30:05] ideas could be brought to fruition. I also believe that a small portion of the

[30:10] property could accommodate brick walk up town homes designed to complement

[30:14] architecturally the surrounding area. This would generate additional property

[30:18] tax revenue and would also create a base of residents who would regularly shop um

[30:23] eat at the nearby restaurants and participate in events. Finally, please

[30:27] consider uh making future meetings more accessible because some are held during

[30:33] the workday and many residents cannot attend in person. My ask is that could

[30:38] the city look into offering a team's meeting or another live video option

[30:42] allowing residents to watch and provide comments remotely. Lastly, I believe

[30:47] that thoughtful development and neighborhood protection do not have to

[30:50] be opposing goals through collaboration, creativity, and public participation. I

[30:56] believe we can achieve both. Thank you for your time, all of you, your service

[31:01] to um Tombball community and consider continued consideration to the

[31:05] residents, especially the ones most directly involved. Thank you.

[31:09] » Thank you, Miss Daniels. >> Next, we have Victoria Hernandez.

[31:21] » Name and address, please. Uh, Victoria Hernandez, 12715

[31:26] High Drive in Tomball, Texas. Good afternoon, council members and

[31:31] Tombball EDC. My name is Victoria and I am a Tomball resident and I'd like to

[31:37] speak about Legacy Square. First, I'd like to make one thing very clear. I

[31:42] absolutely love live music. Uh, live music actually shaped my early career.

[31:48] I've worked in many venues oper many venue operations including White Oak

[31:53] Music Hall in Houston. So I know firsthand the energy and economic

[31:58] activity a great venue can provide a city. I I honestly do. But I also know

[32:04] the realities that come with it. Traffic, parking, neighborhood concerns,

[32:10] and the responsibility of balancing a destination with the people who call

[32:14] this neighborhood a home. I'm not here to argue that a music venue

[32:19] is a bad idea. It's not. We have plenty of them around.

[32:24] I think those conversations are important, but I believe we're asking

[32:27] the wrong question here in terms of what can we put into this church?

[32:34] The better question is, what can we put here that creates the greatest return

[32:39] for the city of Tombal? Because a handful of homes will benefit from will

[32:44] benefit the families who live in them. A successful venue will benefit its

[32:48] patrons and the businesses around it. But what if Legacy Square could do more?

[32:53] What if it could be a creative and cultural center? A place where artists

[32:57] can teach, students can learn, nonprofits can gather, entrepreneurs can

[33:02] test ideas, and small businesses can showcase their

[33:06] work. And neighbors have a reason to come together.

[33:11] I say that as someone whose boots are actively on the ground already doing

[33:15] this in Tombball. I live in Tombball. I play in Tombball. I work in Tombball. I

[33:20] spend every penny here in Tombball. In spirit of that, I'm actually wearing a

[33:25] Tombball ISD shirt because this morning I joined Pine Street Eats and Sweets

[33:31] across the street as we gifted 115 breakfast sandwiches on fresh homemade

[33:37] biscuits to welcome the teachers back to school. I don't say that for recogna

[33:42] recognition. I say that because it demonstrates something very important.

[33:47] The willingness to invest in one another is already here. What we lack is the

[33:54] infrastructure that will help that spirit grow further. That's why I

[33:59] believe creativity shouldn't be viewed simply as entertainment. It is our

[34:04] economic infrastructure. A creative center doesn't have to compete with m

[34:09] with music. Music can very well be a part of the infrastructure. Residential

[34:14] development doesn't have to disappear from the conversation either. But Legacy

[34:19] Square is a rare opportunity in the heart of our historic downtown. So I

[34:24] hope we evaluate every proposal by one simple. Miss Hernandez, special time.

[34:28] Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Hernandez.

[34:32] » Next, we have Eric Sundon.

[34:41] » Name and address, sir. >> Hi, I'm Eric Sundon. Um, I live about 20

[34:46] minutes away, but it's actually Houston. Um, it's 15303 Parkville Drive, Houston.

[34:53] Um, but I love Tombball. I love it more than Houston, that's for sure. So, I was

[34:57] a member of the Da Vinci Gallery for 5 years and became the director and would

[35:03] love to see another gallery in in Tombball. We have at the Tombow Art

[35:09] League just about 150 artists and they're all anxious to get to a spot

[35:15] where they can hang their art and sell it and show it. So, I think that uh

[35:20] looking at Fellowship Hall and I I know it's not a revenue thing that you guys

[35:25] are so concerned about, but we could take I'm connected to 200 artists. We

[35:30] could put 200 artists in there for $50 a month and make $10,000 a month in that

[35:36] space. I mean, as it stands right now. So, um, I wanted to mention that and

[35:41] make sure that that everybody's aware that we're actively looking for a space

[35:46] to land. We would love it. Tomball Art League um, goes out of Lonear College,

[35:53] which is not, you know, not in the proper in the Tomball, Oldtown Tombball

[35:57] that we want, but all of those artists would love to be in a spot tomorrow. I'm

[36:04] telling you, they would love it. So, I just wanted to mention that. And also,

[36:07] I'm finishing the first prototype street train and it's almost finished. So, so

[36:13] I'm going to be parading that around so everybody can see it. So, anyway, thank

[36:18] you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Sundan.

[36:23] » Is there anybody in the audience that didn't sign up that would like to speak?

[36:29] » Yes, sir. name at F Street, right across the street from Lisa. Um, I'm just kind

[36:36] of improving this. I'll make it quick. I've been a witness to a few

[36:40] conversations. What I haven't heard anything about is the traffic in the

[36:44] north side of uh on the north side of EP uh Main Street. I drive an F-150 pickup.

[36:50] When I drive down my street, if there's a Honda Civic, one of us has to scoot

[36:55] over and stop. And so, I just want to put that out there. you're bringing all

[36:58] this foot traffic in and car traffic. You're going to have to widen the roads

[37:02] and you're going to have to add sidewalks. So, I just want to put that

[37:05] awareness out there. And uh I'll probably have more to say at the next

[37:08] meeting, but that's all I got for now. Uh and also, I do want to ditto the uh

[37:12] gratitude. I was at a meeting for the TEDC couple months ago. A lot of us

[37:16] spoke and I feel like we were hurt. So, I just want to say thank you for that.

[37:20] » Thank you. [clears throat] Is there anyone else that would like to

[37:24] speak? No. Well, we'll move on to the next

[37:28] item. Councilman Coington,

[37:36] » do business consideration and possible action by Tombal EDC to approve the

[37:41] Tombal Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget.

[37:47] Right into the public hearing. Okay. The we will have a public hearing

[37:53] on this item. The public hearing for this item will open at 1:23 p.m. The

[37:58] board will now hear from anyone who would like to speak for or against the

[38:02] proposed budget. If you'd like to speak, uh, please come

[38:06] to the podium and state your name and address and you have three minutes.

[38:17] Nope. Okay. Since there are no comments, then we're going to close the public

[38:23] hearing at 1:24 PM.

[38:29] » So EDC board. Is there a motion to approve the Tava Economic Development

[38:33] Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget?

[38:37] » Motion. >> Second.

[38:40] » Questions or comments? I will make a note there uh are three changes to this

[38:45] budget based on the conversation that we had with council at the last meeting.

[38:48] The first change is a reduction in the Legacy Square line item from 2 million

[38:52] to 750,000. The second is a reduction in the South

[38:56] Live Oak line item from 600,000 to 350,000

[39:00] and then a removal of any funds for property acquisition. So those are the

[39:05] three changes in this budget before you today. Thank you.

[39:13] » Okay. So if there's no Thank you. Thank you for that, Kelly. If there's no more

[39:17] comments or questions, then I'm going to call for the vote. All those in favor,

[39:22] please say I. >> I.

[39:24] » Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

[39:29] The >> next item we're going to consider is

[39:31] consideration and possible action by Tom Ball City Council to approve the Tomball

[39:36] economic. >> I'm sorry, Mayor for Tim. We've got an

[39:40] action by the city council to approve the Tom.

[39:43] » That's where I'm going to now. >> Oh, I thought I'm sorry. on day three.

[39:46] My bad. >> Yeah, I'm sorry.

[39:48] » Okay, no worries. Uh consideration possible action by Tomball City Council

[39:53] to approve the Tomball Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026

[39:58] 2027 budget. Is there a motion to approve the

[40:03] Tomball Economic Development Corporation fiscal year 2026 2027 budget?

[40:11] » Motion. Second

[40:15] discussion. >> Do we need Lauren? Do we need to read

[40:20] this or anything out loud so everybody can hear it or

[40:24] » just go with it? >> You just go with it.

[40:27] » She's posted on the internet for >> Yeah.

[40:29] » days. But Lisa, the just like the lady didn't know that you can uh go on an

[40:36] internet and watch every one of our meetings. There's people out there don't

[40:40] understand that we can do that today. You can go on the internet. They post a

[40:45] site so that you can see these meetings. I think you're I know I watch TEDC

[40:51] meetings from my home. I don't attend them because I don't want to get a

[40:54] quorum going. And you can watch our meetings every time we have one. It's

[41:01] they're recording it right now. >> And that's one reason that we're so such

[41:06] a stickler about people coming to the podium because if you're in the

[41:10] audience, you can't hear. Uh oh. Well, definitely we need to but I

[41:16] know that one of the speakers today asked about having Zoom or Teams

[41:22] available since our meeting today is unfortunately scheduled at this time due

[41:25] to very unfortunate circumstances. It was not intended to be during the

[41:28] workday. It was supposed to be last Monday night at 9. Um

[41:33] there were things that happened that none of us wanted. Um but what and you

[41:40] can't but what we have not ever done is allowed public comments from that right

[41:45] that's the difference >> correct well

[41:48] » right >> yes correct

[41:52] » suppose that could be discussed but people can submit them in advance if

[41:55] they can't make it then they can submit it in advance and they'll be read into

[41:58] the record >> and then they can still

[42:02] » I would like to thank uh EDC Kelly Violet you guys for uh changing those

[42:08] three items that we we had great discussions on property acquisitions and

[42:12] obviously South Live Oak and Legacy Square. Um you're probably wondering why

[42:17] we reduced the cost on all those or the appropriated amount. The purpose was

[42:21] we're going to work closely together with each other to find out so that

[42:24] we're both getting what we want. you the the citizens council and EDC and uh we

[42:32] have agreed that they would come back to us with budget amendments for the

[42:35] dollars so that we can in essence be in agreement on every expenditure made. So

[42:40] we want to thank EDC for working with us on that

[42:45] » one other thing. >> Yes sir.

[42:48] You can go out for bids on your stuff, but I thought you had told me you don't

[42:53] go out for bids that y'all do something else.

[42:57] » We No, we've typically gone out for bids when we've done stuff. We don't we don't

[43:00] have to follow the same procurement policy that the city does, but we

[43:03] typically have just because of being more cautious.

[43:06] » Okay. So, this demolition, >> you talk about RFPs.

[43:10] » I'm talking about when we go out for de demolition, you can actually go to

[43:13] multiple companies. >> We will do an RFQ for the demolition.

[43:17] Yes. That's what I and then you >> and the and the council will see that

[43:20] RFQ. >> That's what we were want to see. You

[43:23] just answered my question. Thank you very much. Young lady,

[43:28] » can I just clarify your question? Were you asking if the EDC goes out for RFQS

[43:34] for large projects at all or if the EDC does it when there's no money in the

[43:38] budget for it? I was under the impression that you

[43:42] couldn't even go out for a bid, that you had to do something else because I'd

[43:47] been told that some way and or it wouldn't have been in my mind. And so I

[43:51] misunderstood something that was told to me.

[43:53] » I I understood that also. I understood that too. I was told that.

[43:57] » Still don't understand the question. Do you mean at all ever even when there's

[44:01] plenty of money in the budget or you say >> I was told you cannot go out for a bid

[44:05] that >> and everything and so was he? Yeah, I

[44:08] was told that >> at a different time and so I

[44:11] misunderstood the way it was stated, I guess.

[44:14] » Okay, that would definitely not have come from anybody on the EDC board or

[44:17] within the EDC. >> No, it come from Miss Kelly.

[44:21] » So, don't make statements that you don't know.

[44:27] » Are you talking like I said twice now?

[44:31] » Councilman. Okay, guys. Councilman Parr, you have anything to add? Nope. No.

[44:37] » Any >> Are you referring to RFQ versus a RFP?

[44:41] Because there's there's a different process for both.

[44:43] » Request for proposal versus request for quote

[44:47] » qualifications. I apologize. >> I just know that when we were talking

[44:53] about the getting the New York company, I asked why didn't we go out for bids

[45:00] for that? And I was told we couldn't. >> Right. And that's the same thing he'd

[45:05] been told in the past. >> Professional services is what you're

[45:08] talking about. Professional services, you can go out for request for

[45:11] qualifications. You can't go out for a request for a proposal based on the

[45:17] actual um cost of the project. Same thing with with architects and

[45:21] engineering services. It's the process is a RFQ, not an RFP.

[45:26] » Yeah. >> Okay. Lauren,

[45:30] » is that correct? That's what you were trying to explain to us for the meeting,

[45:35] » correct? >> Okay.

[45:36] » Okay, >> that's all I need to get clear.

[45:38] » We're good. We're clear with that, everyone.

[45:41] » Okay. Can we call for the vote?

[45:58] I

[46:01] » yours is down. >> Okay.

[46:07] » Motion carried. Five. >> Thank you. We're going to move on to the

[46:11] next item. Discussion and direction regarding the

[46:15] Tombball Legacy Square project. So

[46:20] to you guys >> for discussion

[46:27] » I think >> I would well go ahead. I would like to

[46:29] preface though that Monday night at council a directive was given from city

[46:36] council to EDC. So

[46:40] what we're going to I guess now listen to what you want to add to that.

[46:44] » I I don't know that we would add anything.

[46:47] » Yes sir. I think I think it's a clarification as to what exactly um was

[46:52] meant by commence transition to multifunctional

[46:57] uh facility that will also serve as a community center. So when we met

[47:02] yesterday for 3 hours plus with our advisory committee, the question that

[47:07] continued to circle was what exactly does that mean? What does it look like?

[47:11] So what we want to do is define what the parameters are and we'll operate within

[47:16] those parameters. So it doesn't mean that we're going to do a live music

[47:21] music venue with ZZ Top and we're going to be overly concerned about

[47:27] the the actual what's going to go on there, but we just want to set

[47:31] parameters and understand what those parameters are. So with the with the six

[47:38] motions that were made Monday night that we weren't present to actually discuss

[47:44] » well >> had I been here

[47:45] » can I can I clarify that though >> but I I was

[47:48] » okay go ahead >> okay thanks

[47:51] we were Friday when we had the meeting there was general conversation among the

[47:57] whole city council it didn't appear that there was a consensus on Friday but

[48:02] Monday We we only had we had a consensus and a written statement as to how we

[48:08] would proceed without our input on Monday.

[48:12] » Okay. But can I ask a show of hands on the EDC board that did have a consensus

[48:18] with this list of six items? >> This wasn't this wasn't our list.

[48:24] » No, I realize that. But per our discussion last Friday,

[48:29] » that was that was not clear. There was multiple conversations going on on

[48:34] Friday about different things that may or may not occur at the facility is what

[48:39] I understood at Legacy School. >> Yes, sir. But I just want a show of

[48:43] hands if the board agrees or disagrees with this list. If they agreed per our

[48:48] conversation, >> I think we agree with some clarity.

[48:52] That's all we're asking for is just clarity. That's

[48:54] » So you do agree with these six bullet points. But but in order to go through

[48:59] one through six, number one has to be answered first as to what building A

[49:04] looks like, what does it contain, how do we operate it, because what you've asked

[49:09] for is a a full P&L statement as to how we'd operate the facility. But if we

[49:14] don't know what it looks like and what it's going to be and what we can and

[49:18] can't operate there, it's really hard to come to those conclusions.

[49:22] So I think we're all in agreement. A fine arts facility is acceptable. That

[49:28] would be what we've discussed. But we don't want a live music venue with loud

[49:33] noises. It was never going to be that. That's what a consultant came up with

[49:37] and what others came up with. And that's been rejected by us. So fine arts

[49:42] facility, Pearl Fincher Museum. Th this was rejected yesterday. Is that what

[49:49] you're saying? >> Rejected as a live music venue of 800 to

[49:52] a,000. that's been rejected for quite a while. So,

[49:56] » okay. >> So, all we want is the opportunity to

[50:00] present a plan to you with options and but just know what the parameters are in

[50:05] building A. What can we operate, what we cannot operate so that we have a clear

[50:10] path forward with that because we have a resolution from last July that says we

[50:14] can operate it as a cultural and fine arts venue. So, but we need to kind of

[50:20] get down to the nitty-gritty as to what that looks like, what's going to be

[50:23] allowable, what's not. And ultimately, the discussion may be it's not viable

[50:28] because we can't pull in the right operator to make it feasible for them.

[50:32] If that's the case, then we need to kind of make a left turn or right turn and

[50:36] figure out which way we need to go. and it may ultimately end up in the sale up.

[50:41] The sale of it is going to have all kinds of future problems that are going

[50:46] to domino because we can't sell it to a developer and give up 313 parking spaces

[50:53] because they if they develop that, we're losing the parking. So, that's not

[50:57] really a viable option either. So, we got to come up with a solution, but we

[51:01] want an understanding as to what we can do there, what we can't, so we can work

[51:05] on the rest of the direction that y'all presented to us. I guess that's the best

[51:10] way. And I I'll turn it over to you if you got questions.

[51:20] I think we were pretty clear that we wanted a event center that would also

[51:27] double as the civic center or act as the community center, I'm sorry. And that's

[51:33] why we were going back to EDC to see, okay, what functionality, what can we do

[51:38] within those realms? We're pretty leaving it pretty wide. We want to

[51:41] narrow it down. We've narrowed it down to that.

[51:44] We've made it pretty clear we did not want a music venue to disturb all the

[51:49] citizens there in this in that area. So what can we do within those

[51:56] parameters to appease the citizens as well as the

[51:59] council? So, I know I'm not being real clear and concise because I haven't sat

[52:06] here and thought I mean, we've thrown a lot of things up against the wall, but

[52:10] until we get dollars on it and figure out what we can, we don't we don't know.

[52:14] That's why we're looking for your expertise. Well, but I think I think

[52:19] Councilman, we can't determine what you want until you set the borders because

[52:25] we could we could work this thing for a week and go over numbers and they may

[52:30] all be for not. If we really don't know what we're trying to hone in to get to.

[52:34] So, if you say no live music venue, we're not going to have a performing

[52:38] company come in and lease the facility. So be it. Then we narrow the perspective

[52:44] as to what we are going to have. The sweet spot for the for the facility will

[52:48] be somewhere between 550 on the down floor, 150 on the upper floor as it

[52:54] stands right now, 700 seats. If that's too much and we determine we need to

[53:00] come down, then we need to know from you guys, are we going to come down to 600?

[53:04] Are we going to come down to 500? There was a discussion yesterday, we bring it

[53:08] down to 300. So the question is where do we go? What's viable for that? and then

[53:14] what do we present to operators in order to get these the revenue stream and the

[53:19] cost structure done. So that's what we're trying to do. There is a a a real

[53:24] fine point in that if we go to 700 it's going to require additional parking.

[53:30] Okay. If we do retail or something else in the back as well that's going to

[53:35] expand the parking. If the facility is 500, 550, 600, we have adequate parking

[53:42] right now that we can operate under. So those are the type of things we need to

[53:47] do. Otherwise, we're going to spend a lot of time kind of graining through

[53:51] numbers that aren't really going to be viable to the project.

[53:55] So I guess what I'm asking for community center also just to comment I think on

[54:01] September 21 we have a meeting with Harris County about the community center

[54:06] over at the park. Is that correct? >> Correct.

[54:09] » So if that goes forth as a community center, do we need another community

[54:13] center in the middle of Tombball on a prime piece of real estate? Is that what

[54:17] we want to do? Is that an excuse for that facility to put another community

[54:21] center in? >> I'll hand that off to Mr. done again. He

[54:24] knows how long our community center that's going in is not going to be our

[54:28] community center and the park. It's going to be the counties.

[54:31] » Correct. >> And so you have to schedule everything

[54:33] to the county. >> So it's not ours.

[54:36] » Okay. >> This one would be ours.

[54:39] » Okay. >> Okay. When it comes to it, I don't want

[54:42] to touch the upstairs of the because we're not going to build I don't think

[54:46] we've got the money to put an elevator in and all like that and we don't want

[54:50] to widen it to bring it out. I know there is the chamber. They've talked to

[54:55] me. You know, they need a bigger space, but the that we don't need the parking

[55:00] there. We don't need the additional parking. We need to take what we've got.

[55:05] Danny, uh, and I I was told I mean, I read Facebook. I don't post on it, but I

[55:11] was told that y'all even took a vote about tearing it down. There was a

[55:14] motion about tearing it down. Is that true?

[55:17] » There was a motion. It was never voted on,

[55:19] » but was there a motion in a second? Yeah,

[55:22] » I think it was out of frustration, frankly, because we've been there.

[55:25] » That's good. I mean, I just want you to know

[55:27] » that is something that could happen. >> It could happen.

[55:30] » Yeah, I agree. But why don't we go small steps now and see what happens if a

[55:36] community center and when I say an event center, I'm not talking about putting

[55:40] musical, but have it where you could have You're already using it now for

[55:45] some art, aren't you? >> Some theater,

[55:47] » but they sing. They make >> But that's not what I'm talking you. The

[55:50] music doesn't bother anybody. You can shut the music off in the building. Paul

[55:55] knows. I know. We've got a music venue right beside us that we can't hear.

[56:00] » I understood. >> As long as they keep the doors closed

[56:03] and you have the set, you don't hear the music there. So, it's not that. It's the

[56:08] parking, the lighting, all that stuff that will interrupt that neighborhood

[56:13] that I can't vote for. Right. So, I'm trying to give you a directive right

[56:17] now. I'm telling you that I want to keep it smaller than I don't want to do mess

[56:21] with the addict. This is Dane. This is not the council talking. This is Dane

[56:26] talking. This has been going on, you said for the last 6 months. No, it's

[56:30] been going on for years about what's going to happen. You haven't been

[56:33] involved in it. >> I have. 26 years. I was at that church

[56:37] for 10 before I ever got on here. >> Well, I'm talking about what's going on

[56:40] now. Wayne still sell it. Yeah. >> That it we got sold. How long did it

[56:44] take y'all to sell that? It was eight years on the market before TDC bought.

[56:48] » That's what I'm saying. So, nobody wants that.

[56:50] » That's correct. So, we need to understand from you what we could build

[56:54] because >> I'm telling you right now, not messing

[56:57] with the ad the second floor. >> Yeah.

[57:00] » Don't mess with it. Widen the stage. Take it back so you can have more area.

[57:04] Flatten the floor out so you can do multiple things in it. That's what I

[57:09] would do. I don't know what the council wants to do. I can't go talk to them.

[57:13] Well, I'm glad I'm glad you're actually saying all of this because this is the

[57:16] dialogue that we needed before we got the resolution or we would define this a

[57:21] little bit. >> But that's what I would like to say.

[57:24] » Okay. And I do listen to the citizens. I don't listen to the people that don't

[57:27] live next to it, right? >> Cuz people that don't live next to it,

[57:31] they can understand, oh, you can do anything you want to in it

[57:35] » and make all the noise, all the parking, all that. But when you live next to

[57:40] something, >> right,

[57:41] » it makes a difference. And it's not like, you know, I use the example,

[57:45] people come in and fuss and gripe when they move into next to an airport. Oh,

[57:51] the airplanes, you need to shut them down. You need to shut up. These people

[57:54] live there already and now we're trying to change it and we need to work around

[57:59] those people. >> Understood. I I agree with that. Two

[58:03] comments that you said community center in the back fellowship hall.

[58:08] » No, I didn't say that. I said in the main hall.

[58:11] » In the main hall. Okay. >> Yeah. Just like when it's real.

[58:14] » I want to see something. I'd like to see individuals that that Mr. Reid talked

[58:20] about go and see if they can make a maker's mark there. You've got other

[58:24] offices. The mayor, she's not here right now, but she wants a uh m not a museum,

[58:31] but archives. >> Archives. There's a room there that

[58:35] could you could use that. We could tie it into the museum and make all that a

[58:39] green area there. our her focus is just take baby steps. Let's don't throw we

[58:45] can throw money all day long, but and then we're going to end up having to pay

[58:49] for it. We don't want to do that. We want to take baby steps. Let it grow

[58:53] naturally. If it grows, hey, we win. If it doesn't, then we can go to plan B,

[58:58] but right now, let's take those baby steps.

[59:00] » So, when we talk about the makers mark and whatever we're going to do in

[59:04] building F, the north building. >> Yes, sir. If we're going to do that, one

[59:08] of your cautisles here was the project will not be subsidized by the city nor

[59:14] us. We don't want the liability, nor do we want to subsidize that.

[59:19] » Correct. >> So, how do you turn that to where it's

[59:21] profitable to where it's not just come another line item on our budget or we

[59:26] have to come to you to say, "Hey, it cost us $250,000 to operate that."

[59:32] is we we need to talk about that because if you don't want that liability, nor do

[59:37] we want that liability. So, it needs to pay for itself somehow. So, is it a

[59:42] community project or is it a revenue project? That's really what it boils

[59:46] down to. And if it is a community project, then y'all vote on it and say

[59:51] that just knowing that we're going to come back and it's going to have to be

[59:54] subsidized or there's going to have to be grants or donations because we can't

[59:58] have it both ways. We got to either have an income project or we got to have a

[1:00:02] community project. It's got to be one or the other.

[1:00:05] » Have we talked to anybody that would be willing to

[1:00:11] form a committee or group to look at what it would do? Have we talked to

[1:00:15] anybody like that? Have y'all talked to anybody like that? I know I haven't.

[1:00:19] » I know. We have We've had preliminaries. We have uh Kelly and I've met with

[1:00:22] Paradigm Construction. >> No, I'm not talking about the

[1:00:25] demolition. I'm talking about the demolition,

[1:00:27] » the maker mark or whatever you call the thing.

[1:00:29] » No, no, we haven't gone through the space.

[1:00:31] » I'm thinking about drinking right now >> because

[1:00:34] » for, if you think about it, for a year we were going to be we were going to do

[1:00:38] the whole project and then we got off in this studio $48 million,

[1:00:43] » right? >> A complete BS plan. I agree with that.

[1:00:47] That was before my time >> and I would have never accepted or

[1:00:50] approved that. So, we got to get back down to brass tax. We're going to

[1:00:53] operate from ground up, zero up, and we'll come back and appropriate as

[1:00:58] needed. But we need some guidelines to what we can do and we can't do. Here's

[1:01:02] the last thing I'm just going to add. If we don't go get an operator like a face

[1:01:07] to where it's acceptable to them in in auditorium A, they are associated and

[1:01:13] connected at the hip with Pearl Fincher. Finer comes back and says, "Oh, well,

[1:01:17] you're not going to go forward with stu with a with face." venture might also

[1:01:22] pull out because if we don't have a master plan for that whole project, it

[1:01:27] may not be conducive to them to move that way. They're very interested right

[1:01:31] now. Face is very interested, but we got to put the best step forward. What is it

[1:01:36] going to look like overall? What are we going to go do on North Oxford or what

[1:01:41] are our options on North Oxford? It might be JV with a development company

[1:01:46] to put in makaker mark, retail space, professional services, coffee shops,

[1:01:52] whatever it might be. >> And that's that's the third point,

[1:01:55] right? >> Yeah.

[1:01:56] » That's point three. Point A is determine what auditorium A is. Second one is

[1:02:02] » go forward with the uh Pearl Fenture plan to either get a memo of

[1:02:07] understanding or tenant agreement that we know they're going forward. And then

[1:02:11] thirdly, it's determined best use for North Oxford F building.

[1:02:15] » Right. >> I think that's where really where we're

[1:02:18] what we're asking. >> Well, you keep bringing up options like

[1:02:20] face. That's the first time I've ever heard that. So, we don't know anything

[1:02:24] about these types of things you're bringing to the table. And until they're

[1:02:27] presented to us, we can't guide either because we don't know what you're being

[1:02:31] exposed to. >> Council, a year ago, we had an open

[1:02:35] house at the fellowship hall. We had 230 people. If we gold starred everything

[1:02:40] that was up there, the over overwhelming majority of people wanted a performing

[1:02:44] arts center. Face is just one of the companies that's that's actually

[1:02:47] approached us. It may not be the ones we end up going with, but they have shown

[1:02:53] positivity in moving forward. It may not be the best deal for us. It may not be

[1:02:57] the best deal for the city, but it's just one of those options that's out

[1:03:00] there. when the word gets out that we've kind of got the parameters set how big

[1:03:05] the auditorium is, they're going to put their numbers down on paper to see if

[1:03:09] they can make it work for them because it's not just making us work. Remember,

[1:03:13] we're not getting there's no revenue off of ticket sales to the EDC. All we're we

[1:03:18] are just a tenant landlord combination. There's no overrides in those type of

[1:03:23] things. So, we're only getting rental income for those developments and that's

[1:03:28] it. Councilman McN, you have anything? Council, do you have anything to add?

[1:03:33] » Um, I just want to agree with what Dne had to say. Um, if the parking that we

[1:03:39] had there already, that's kind of where we draw where we determine our seats is

[1:03:43] the parking we have, the the street access that we have, so we don't disturb

[1:03:48] the residents over in that area. Um but yeah, it's a difficult decision because

[1:03:53] it's when you buy any commercial building, you fix it up and you hope

[1:03:57] someone will come will come lease that out and rent it out. So, um we can fix

[1:04:01] it up and hope for the best, but we just we have to make a decision and talk to

[1:04:06] the people that we have that may be interested to keep them in the loop

[1:04:09] because we don't want to lose anything moving forward.

[1:04:14] » I I would still like to see step one >> be the demolition of the buildings that

[1:04:18] are not going to be used. cut the power off.

[1:04:21] » We cut the any potential repairs or any >> aspect of having basically an abandoned

[1:04:27] building sitting there. >> You're right. I think we got to take

[1:04:29] those baby steps, keep moving forward. We don't know what's going to fall in

[1:04:32] our laps. >> But if we do it, you know, we we don't

[1:04:35] know either. So, we're looking for your guidance, but we know that's the first

[1:04:39] step we want to take. >> And then we just don't know what else

[1:04:42] will come along. And you start bringing these things to prof your face and all

[1:04:46] that. Maybe things fall in place, but we don't know.

[1:04:50] » Well, we we have someone National Youth Theater has reached out to us for a

[1:04:54] February performance in the main auditorium. So, then we got to we got to

[1:04:57] weigh this. >> Yeah.

[1:04:59] » We want the $5,000 in revenue for that or do we want to go for with the demo

[1:05:04] because it's going to affect that. So, we have to look at those type of things.

[1:05:07] So, we're we're really at the crossroads to determine are we going to shut down

[1:05:11] renting it because we're going to do the demo because we can't have both things

[1:05:14] going on at the same time. So there's some tough decisions that's got to be

[1:05:18] made. >> No, and I I agree those are those are

[1:05:20] items that I think we need to discuss in the future once we start moving down the

[1:05:24] road. But I think we all need to be in agreement that we've given a directive.

[1:05:28] Let's move forward with it. And as these things come across, we we get we have

[1:05:32] these discussions again to move to the next step. Garcia, uh council, we have

[1:05:39] this entity that wants to rent this place in October. Do we really want to

[1:05:44] start demolition right now? And those are tough decisions we're have to make

[1:05:48] and but we don't know until those things we have contract potential contracts in

[1:05:52] hand to do it or these people are just thinking about it. Does that make sense?

[1:05:58] » It does. >> But we we need clarity on a

[1:06:01] » okay for you on the fa the theater. Somebody was telling me when and again I

[1:06:08] was wrong about the bidding so I'm probably wrong about this. um that these

[1:06:12] theater companies want aerials where they can do aerials that cost a lot of

[1:06:17] money to start bracing stuff up for that and everything. So is is that part of

[1:06:22] the face deal that they're wanting aerials the theaters?

[1:06:25] » I don't know that we've gotten to that point with them. It's going to be more

[1:06:28] local and regional versus national. That was the whole studio red study which

[1:06:34] reject reject reject. >> Okay. So that that's not part point part

[1:06:38] point part point part point part point

[1:06:38] part point part point part point part point part point part

[1:06:38] » we we don't have the real estate to do that frankly completely changed the

[1:06:42] footprint was going to have to be pushed out the back and the front just to

[1:06:45] accommodate that. So I would say the answer is no

[1:06:48] » and in order to do that we'd have for like a fly tower we'd have to cut the

[1:06:52] roof and do a really expensive so and that was something that the feasibility

[1:06:55] study recommended not to do. >> Okay. And when you talk about the stars

[1:07:00] the gold stars were you there? I was the whole

[1:07:04] » You notice how that some people took a handful of stars and stuck them all at

[1:07:07] the same place? >> I I've already requested

[1:07:12] to Kelly once we get the parameters set as to our direction between joint

[1:07:18] counsel here that we have a second open house to get the feedback.

[1:07:24] » I think that that >> and we give one star.

[1:07:26] » We give them one star. You get a star going in if you use it or lose it.

[1:07:29] That's it. >> That's fine with me. I'd go along with

[1:07:31] that. We've done these open houses before and not just y'all. We had a

[1:07:36] couple here and people would take and say, "Yeah, I want more restaurants or

[1:07:42] more of this." >> It's called stuff in the box.

[1:07:45] » Amen. >> Yeah.

[1:07:46] » Right. >> Yeah. Well,

[1:07:49] » I'm uh in the I like Mr. Par. We've already talked about this before that we

[1:07:54] move forward with step one, >> the demolition. And then unless you guys

[1:07:58] have know something we don't know why we can't, we move forward. That's your

[1:08:03] first point. >> Demolition was step four.

[1:08:06] » So >> yeah, but that's right. Boy, would they

[1:08:08] aren't listed in the order that obviously we can't we have to do that

[1:08:12] first. So >> okay, so I'm going to I'm going to set

[1:08:14] one more parameter for you. We've got preliminary estimates for the

[1:08:19] demolition, but the other estimate that we're probably going to come back and

[1:08:23] tack on is to say if, and this is an if with quotation marks, if we were to

[1:08:29] level North Oxford and start over on retail or whatever that space would be,

[1:08:35] what would be the additional cost of that demo as well, just so we have it in

[1:08:40] our pocket right now. >> Okay? because there may be some

[1:08:43] economies of scale where we get more fencing, permitting, time, the whole

[1:08:48] bit. It may not be the way we want to go, but I think we should look at as an

[1:08:51] option. >> Yeah.

[1:08:53] » Okay. >> Any questions? Any other questions?

[1:08:56] » Lisa has got some call on. No, I was I was sorry.

[1:09:01] um which is that I believe that since we're all here together and we have

[1:09:06] everybody in the room that we should get more clarity on how the uh the main

[1:09:11] sanctuary could double as a community center because what we've just spent the

[1:09:17] last 10 15 minutes talking about is the EDC talking to various tenants for lack

[1:09:24] of a better term who would come in and rent the facility and operate it. But if

[1:09:30] it is doubling as a community center, then that means that now the city is a

[1:09:34] tenant. So in order to talk to any potential operators, we need to have a

[1:09:40] lot more clarity on what we would explain to them as well, you're also

[1:09:45] going to need to share it with the city in these ways. And and that's confusing.

[1:09:50] And sure, you know, we spent over an hour on that yesterday talking in

[1:09:54] circles of well, let's just move forward. And then we kept saying, yeah,

[1:09:57] but how do we do that with it being that community center? How do we do that with

[1:10:00] it being a community center? And that's really a showstopper until we understand

[1:10:04] better what that looks like because I don't know how it could be financially

[1:10:08] viable for any operator if they're also having to give it up on a weekly basis

[1:10:14] for Zumba and Bingo and AP presentations. Like it's it's it it's

[1:10:20] got to have a balance. >> A community center would require a flat

[1:10:24] floor. When when we look this afternoon, you'll see the slope.

[1:10:27] » Yeah. So, the cost of just flattening the floor out may be prohibitive to do

[1:10:33] that. That's why I brought up the community center possibly. We got lots

[1:10:37] of square footage on North Oxford. That might be the better place to do it for

[1:10:42] the community center because replacing the community center we had, even if we

[1:10:46] doubled it, it's what 10,000 square feet.

[1:10:49] » The current one, >> current community center is

[1:10:53] » maybe 4,000. >> No, our community center. our community

[1:10:56] center >> 3 4,000 maybe

[1:10:59] » I doubt if it bad >> post

[1:11:03] » stand by >> so let's just say if we've made it

[1:11:06] 12,000 we tripled the size of it >> right

[1:11:09] » we've got almost 40,000 square feet on North Oxford that's already flat so it

[1:11:15] lends itself to do the community center more so there on one end of the other

[1:11:20] then restructure the floor which then would be a negative for performing arts

[1:11:27] center. >> So that's that's where our dilemma is.

[1:11:34] » Good point. A good idea. >> I think that's good points to talk

[1:11:37] about, but these are things we've never talked about.

[1:11:40] » We've never talked about >> I've never heard a cost on what

[1:11:43] flattening floor because I would put a false floor in it

[1:11:46] » is what I would do. >> I don't know structurally if we can uh

[1:11:50] that I recall I think that that building was done in '92.

[1:11:55] Um, >> that's when I was going there.

[1:11:57] » Yeah. 92. But and so I don't know if there's peers under there. I don't know

[1:12:01] structurally what it will or won't do. So we'll we'll look at it and see, but

[1:12:05] we can get someone out to give us that estimate. That's really going to be the

[1:12:09] left or the right turn. >> I think that's something we need to do

[1:12:12] first is get a estimate because that could throw all this community center

[1:12:16] out the door like you said. >> Well, I just think it relocates

[1:12:20] » on the community center is we could do land swaps

[1:12:23] » where we could do that. Yeah, sure. >> On the back part.

[1:12:27] » Yeah. I don't I mean, we need a better community center than we have today.

[1:12:32] » Sure. >> And I'm sure there's people they're

[1:12:36] sitting here that would love to have our community center today to make

[1:12:40] restaurants out of and to do that kind of stuff. Our

[1:12:47] current community center is 4200 4,000 square feet

[1:12:53] » of usable or that's of offices and everything.

[1:12:56] » I think that's everything. >> That's everything.

[1:12:58] » Yeah.

[1:13:02] » Thank you. >> And this one here is 42,0002.

[1:13:05] » No, but 4,000 4,200 versus 40,000. >> I was going to saying this is okay.

[1:13:11] » 10 times. >> Okay.

[1:13:13] And we agree that we do have directives out there. Now, we're going to go to the

[1:13:20] next step, walk the place, decide, look at our negatives and positives,

[1:13:26] determine what we can and can't do, and move forward from there.

[1:13:30] » Absolutely. >> It'll get more clarity to everybody

[1:13:32] involved. >> Can can I interject something real

[1:13:34] quick? Uh, [clears throat]

[1:13:38] at at what point in time do we determine what number are we willing to go in the

[1:13:46] hole on this on? Cuz that's uh I'm one of the ones that voted to to demo this

[1:13:51] thing. I don't think that's any secret. Uh cuz I'm all

[1:13:54] » the banker. >> Yeah, cuz I'm all about if is it going

[1:13:57] to make money because my understanding of the EDC is jobs, retention, and sales

[1:14:03] tax. And every time I sit down and put

[1:14:06] numbers to this to this project, it makes my head explode. Uh so when we're

[1:14:13] talking about leveling the floor, not leveling the floor out, we're looking at

[1:14:17] probably, and again, I don't know because we don't have bids, but roughly

[1:14:20] going on averages what it costs to rehab a building. We're we're pushing $5

[1:14:24] million to rehab this building. So, at what when are we going to say,

[1:14:31] » you know, 8 million in this is enough or seven million is this is enough as as

[1:14:36] the EDC board or and you guys are going to give approval. Are y'all okay with

[1:14:41] us? Is the public okay with us going in a hole so deep with

[1:14:48] money we get from sales tax that they're paying? At what point in time do we draw

[1:14:53] the line and say this is all we're going to quote lose on this property that

[1:14:56] we're never ever going to get back. Nobody's going to buy this, especially

[1:15:01] if we have to subsidize it. >> Right.

[1:15:03] » Uh the meeting yesterday, I was told and it was great news that the maker space,

[1:15:07] not Mark, but maker space. It's a great com. I'm not against that. I have

[1:15:12] absolutely and none nobody on this board. We have absolutely no vested

[1:15:17] interest on what goes in here. You know, we had a meeting yesterday and

[1:15:22] on Facebook I've been called inferred as being stupid, a onetrick pony.

[1:15:27] » Help for idiot. >> Idiot shouldn't be on this board on

[1:15:30] Facebook. I don't What is that about? Because I'm stating a position which is

[1:15:37] not what he he didn't want to hear it. But we have to have that conversation

[1:15:43] about how much money are we willing to dump into this project and never get

[1:15:49] back. >> Well, what I'm keeps concerning me or

[1:15:53] what I don't understand is we have had children's recital in there. Why can't

[1:16:00] we continue to use those facilities for those kind of events and more events?

[1:16:04] Why why can't we take baby steps? Why do we have to spend $5 million? We're

[1:16:09] already having kids in there, so there must be structurally sound other than

[1:16:13] liability to be crazy to have in the main art.

[1:16:18] » But somebody just said, let's look at at flattening the floor. Why would you

[1:16:21] flatten the floor if you're going to use useful for performing arts?

[1:16:25] » Reiterate, it was not in the main sanctuary.

[1:16:27] » It was not in the main sanctuary. >> It was

[1:16:31] » It was in the main sanctuary. their Saturday event was.

[1:16:34] » But the the thing is I I want to bring up one more thing on with Danny just so

[1:16:38] that we're clear on this. Any project you look at, you have to look at the

[1:16:42] exit strategy. Our deal is not to own assets long-term. It's to turn them

[1:16:47] over, make a profit, or move on to the next project if it's viable. So if we've

[1:16:53] spent 5 million in it, 4.6 acquisition, and whatever the cost of the consultants

[1:16:58] are, we put another five in it. We're in at 10. just putting five in it. In three

[1:17:04] to five years, if we wanted to get out and we haven't done a reno on that,

[1:17:09] who's going to pay us $10 million for that piece of property?

[1:17:14] There's nobody. They would have already bought it.

[1:17:16] » That's right. >> That's why we want to take baby steps.

[1:17:18] » But then we get drugged through the streets because we wasted taxpayers

[1:17:22] money. >> I got it.

[1:17:22] » That's coming. And I'm telling you right now,

[1:17:24] » it's already been said. >> Yeah. But we're not wasting it. We we

[1:17:28] have we have these we're not we have to get these feasibility studies. The guy

[1:17:32] was from New York but he didn't say it was going to be he knew the area. He

[1:17:36] knew it completely. It was 60,000 bucks. Did it help us? Probably not that much.

[1:17:42] But it's something that we have to do by the guidelines that were set on by the

[1:17:46] EDC. We can't just There's so many rules on this thing because it's our charter

[1:17:51] that we can't just operate as a normal business. Our hands are tied on like

[1:17:55] these bids. It sounds ridiculous to me that we can't bid something out by a

[1:17:59] dollar amount. So, I just >> Councilwoman McNa, you had something to

[1:18:03] say. >> It's It's getting confusing. I don't

[1:18:07] even know what a flat floor. Why? You said a community center would have to

[1:18:11] have a flat >> if if you were to go into any

[1:18:14] auditorium, a convention center, you're going to have a flat floor to put tables

[1:18:18] up, curtains, >> have some type of MC kind of like what's

[1:18:23] the what's the place on 249? uh the theater like that. That's a flat floor

[1:18:28] venue, right? Versus an auditorium that's got a slope, which you need for

[1:18:33] people to be able to see the stage. There's other things you can do. If you

[1:18:39] flat floor it, which means we'd have to build out the whole stage differently.

[1:18:44] It's got to be raised or people can't see on a flat for venue to see a

[1:18:49] performing arts. It's difficult. It's It becomes a bad hybrid is what it does. So

[1:18:55] either or you have anything you want to add to that?

[1:19:00] » Just that I feel like the council is not fully understanding the difficult

[1:19:07] situation that these items are putting the EDC board and the EDC advisor the

[1:19:15] legacy square advisory committee in because I sat there yesterday,

[1:19:19] Councilman Parr sat there yesterday and listened. You know, we participated too,

[1:19:24] but mostly listening to this this advisory committee work so

[1:19:31] hard to try to develop something viable within the within the parameters of

[1:19:37] these six motions that are are too vague. They are. I know you said you

[1:19:43] want to leave it vague on purpose, but it it [clears throat] I mean that it was

[1:19:47] just it was three hours of discussions and I watched this group try so hard. I

[1:19:55] mean, every single bit of brain power brought into that room which was

[1:19:58] enormous and everybody loves to ball and everybody wants the best and everybody

[1:20:03] wants to listen to the residents, but we also have to make make money and

[1:20:07] everything has to pay for itself. Nothing can operate unless it pays for

[1:20:11] itself. Hands down. >> I don't mean it pays for itself because

[1:20:15] it brings more tax dollars in. It has to pay for itself. That's it. And and and

[1:20:23] it and it's just and it seems so simple. Oh, just take baby steps. It it seems so

[1:20:28] simple and and we can just adjourn here today and go forward and try again and

[1:20:33] just keep coming back. And that's an alternative and that's probably where

[1:20:36] we're headed, right? It's just most most >> C

[1:20:40] line item for this. >> I don't I disagree with that. I I think

[1:20:43] we can get direction from you guys >> just by setting Shelley mentioned

[1:20:48] parking's the hot spot. Traffic congestion's a hot spot. Councilman Parr

[1:20:52] brought up there's things we could do for traffic and con congestion during

[1:20:58] any type of performance over there. barricades, police, whatever we've got

[1:21:03] to do to help the congestion to get people in and out of the the venue over

[1:21:07] there, that can be done. But if we say it's 600, 600, that that right there

[1:21:14] defines who we can go talk to, what we can and can't do there. I'll tell you,

[1:21:18] Tomball pageant, Tomball, Miss Tombball Pageant, that's not big enough. So,

[1:21:23] they're going to stay at at uh Real Life or they'll stay at Salem at other

[1:21:28] venues. It's not big enough for them. So then we we got to just really kind of

[1:21:32] pair down what we could and couldn't do in that facility. Then the the the

[1:21:36] tenants become less limited. So that's really what we're facing. So

[1:21:43] let let's let's first redefine bu number one building a main sanctuary

[1:21:49] remove any reference to it being used as a community center because the cost to

[1:21:53] flatten that floor are prohibitive. >> Yeah. But we don't know that right now.

[1:21:59] Wait, >> we can do that.

[1:22:00] » The I can the dollars that it's going to take to flatten that floor

[1:22:05] » are absurd. Let's look at moving the the use of

[1:22:11] building F >> the Oxford

[1:22:14] using a portion of it as a community center

[1:22:20] » and then the rest of it make it maker space or what whatever else you guys are

[1:22:26] looking at doing with that that back space.

[1:22:29] » I say we're flexible in that regards. But I just find it ironic once we issued

[1:22:34] a directive Monday. Now we're getting all these ideas coming at us. Well, we

[1:22:37] didn't have anything until we till we got a till we issued a directive. This

[1:22:42] is what we want EDC to do. I >> I don't think we knew. I mean, for a

[1:22:46] year we've been discussing this and it was going to be a community center, city

[1:22:50] hall. Who knew? So, >> it's just the point that it's been

[1:22:54] sitting there for so long. So the only thing council felt we need to give a

[1:22:59] directive of what we want to get off the snide to have that facility start adding

[1:23:04] money to the city's coffers. >> Well, the church only moved out last

[1:23:08] year. Number one, the church has been in there since la till last year and the

[1:23:13] CDC had set up a situation in which we thought we were going to get input and

[1:23:19] that was at the strategic planning retreat. like we thought that so we we

[1:23:23] have asked we we wanted this very much so

[1:23:27] » how much revenue is Pearl Fenture bringing to us

[1:23:30] » we don't know that was what >> how long's it been that y'all been

[1:23:33] talking to Pearl Fenture >> they had a board meeting that was

[1:23:36] delayed last month they had a board meeting that was delayed last month I

[1:23:40] think it's due >> it's supposed to be in the next couple

[1:23:42] of weeks >> because I mean this is I mean I've heard

[1:23:45] Pearl Fenture for six eight months >> okay not us

[1:23:48] » but they have a board that they have to address as well and so their strategic

[1:23:51] IC planning session got moved back. That's what we were waiting on was was

[1:23:55] feedback from their strategic planning session. I just heard back from their

[1:23:58] executive director this week that it got pushed back.

[1:24:00] » Can you explain to me what venture actually is going to be bringing

[1:24:05] » as as far as monetary or >> rent the old chapel?

[1:24:10] » What? Say that again. I'm sorry. >> Explain to me what they are supposed to

[1:24:16] be putting into the old chapel. Pearl venture. So, it would be very similar to

[1:24:20] what they have now. It it >> I've never been to.

[1:24:23] » It's a It's a full fine arts museum. So, you you walk through different rooms.

[1:24:28] You've got fine art on the wall. You've got sculptures. You've got different um

[1:24:33] educational components. So, they have a lot of schools that come in and do

[1:24:36] different things. They they do classes. They do different events.

[1:24:40] » Small chapel's big enough for that. >> They're in about 4,000 square feet now.

[1:24:43] So, our small chapel is about the same size.

[1:24:46] » Okay. And you have no idea what kind of revenue they'd be.

[1:24:50] » We we don't yet. No. >> The gentleman that was here a minute

[1:24:52] ago, I think he's left already, the art guy, he was talking He was talking about

[1:24:58] There he is. He's talking about $10,000 a month. Will Pearl Fincher be doing

[1:25:04] something like that or a lot more? >> I I don't know. I don't want to speak

[1:25:07] for them because the county would be involved in that. We We've talked about

[1:25:11] hot funds and whatnot and I don't want to throw a number out and be completely

[1:25:14] wrong. One other addition on the Pearl Fenture is they have expressed I met

[1:25:19] with Kelly with Pearl Fenture. They they have expressed an interest to put in

[1:25:23] some type of what would you call it a um banquet glass banquet hall on the back

[1:25:30] of the chapel. So they would have a place to put um serving food and our

[1:25:36] derves and have little fundraiser type things. That's one thing that they would

[1:25:40] wanted us to consider because they can't do that in their current setting. But

[1:25:45] there's >> they want us to put a more money into

[1:25:48] it. >> It's not the us. They just wanted to

[1:25:50] know if that would be considered. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. But there

[1:25:53] if we'd consider putting more money into it,

[1:25:56] » not necessarily our money, Councilman. What I'm saying is that they wanted to

[1:26:00] know if there was enough room real estate to do that. And we said yes. When

[1:26:04] we look today, you'll see it actually attaches right on the back of the

[1:26:08] chapel. They currently don't have that uh option. So they're saying they would

[1:26:12] bring money but we've never heard how many zeros are there. Okay.

[1:26:16] » So we don't know yet. >> But they are very interested. But they

[1:26:19] are like I mentioned earlier they were directly intertwined with the boards of

[1:26:24] face. >> Some people serve on both boards.

[1:26:27] » Okay. >> So it's a very sensitive and moving

[1:26:32] conversation. So, it's possible that they wouldn't

[1:26:36] want to be there without the other, one without the other.

[1:26:39] » That hasn't come out yet, but it certainly could. That that the high

[1:26:44] donation people and the hideboard people are actually on both in some cases.

[1:26:49] » And we're talking about the 1949 and the sanctuary. So,

[1:26:54] » which could be not bad news if we have someone who wants to lease out both and

[1:26:58] we're good. And then we just talk about the fellowship Paul and what we're going

[1:27:01] to do with that >> and the demo, right? and the demo. Yeah,

[1:27:04] » but can we go and do the demo and get that out of the way?

[1:27:07] » I think so. And make Yeah, >> thank you. I just

[1:27:11] » I said that I agree with what you just >> But that's that's valuable information

[1:27:15] you guys are giving us to I know we've had these conversations, but how close

[1:27:20] are we really? Is it a reality? >> Or is this something we're going to be

[1:27:23] sitting here in another six months and a year? Because I promise you, if we're

[1:27:27] here next year again talking about this, it's these five people's fault. Okay?

[1:27:33] It's our fault >> because we're not taking action.

[1:27:36] » Figured himself too. That that's >> all five of us because we're just

[1:27:40] sitting here. >> Here's the timeline. Here's the

[1:27:43] timeline. We were supposed to meet in early May, got pushed to the end of May.

[1:27:48] We met with them in June. They were supposed to have a board meeting in

[1:27:52] July. Didn't occur. So now we're waiting on their August board meeting. So it's

[1:27:57] not us. Kelly's reaching out to them. my tapper every week about it saying, "Hey,

[1:28:02] find out where they are. Find out where they are because I want to know what the

[1:28:05] dollars are, too." Because it's either out of their pocket or out of our

[1:28:08] pocket. Do we really want to do that? >> Yeah.

[1:28:10] » So, and if the county's bringing money to help, which is what we've heard, then

[1:28:15] that's even a better deal. But there's always there may be caveats attached to

[1:28:19] that. We don't know what those look like yet either. So, we so we're we're trying

[1:28:24] to go down that road and provide you that information. We just don't have it

[1:28:27] all yet, but we're trying.

[1:28:32] I I move or I think the thought process I think we made good headway here but

[1:28:38] until we start eliminating some items go look at it understand more what you guys

[1:28:42] want to do that we table this for another discussion to further you know

[1:28:47] dive into >> direction to move forward with tearing

[1:28:50] down the building >> well I thought we had done yeah we've

[1:28:52] already agreed to do that I thought we did that last week

[1:28:54] » as long as long as it's captured up here that the direction just move forward

[1:28:59] with tearing down the building. >> Correct.

[1:29:01] » Got the >> And I agree.

[1:29:02] » And no, you know, of any shape, size, or form, right? No, no, no live music.

[1:29:08] » You you know there's >> Would you say live music?

[1:29:12] » Building B, building E, building >> choir in there.

[1:29:15] » Yeah. I'm talking about >> I'm talking about bringing in

[1:29:20] » an act. >> Yeah,

[1:29:22] » that's huge because the whole time I've been on the board, it's been live music.

[1:29:25] Live music live music. >> Hold up. Let's Let's stop real. I I just

[1:29:29] want a show of hands. Who wants to start with the demolition cuz I want it just

[1:29:34] completely transparent. Okay. >> Thank you.

[1:29:38] » Can we also agree that we're going to try and pinpoint 600 to 650 depending on

[1:29:44] what the what the buildout looks like. I >> I don't think we can make that judgment

[1:29:48] call right now. >> I definitely don't want to make that

[1:29:51] judgment call. >> Okay.

[1:29:52] » Not at this time. >> No.

[1:29:54] » About the number of people, >> right?

[1:29:55] » Yeah. Right. cuz I don't want to add parking.

[1:29:58] » No, but we said the 600 doesn't require adding parking.

[1:30:02] » 75. >> Okay. So, do 500 or less.

[1:30:06] » It's a it's a it's a balance. And each each space has to kind of park itself.

[1:30:11] So, the the parking requirement for the main sanctuary is one parking space per

[1:30:16] four seats. That's at its current capacity, it's 175 stalls. We have 313

[1:30:22] stalls out there today. So without doing like that area where the playground was

[1:30:26] without turning that into more parking, if we left the parking the way it is

[1:30:32] today, you could keep the 700 seats. What that reduces is the amount of

[1:30:37] square footage that you have that's leasable in the fellowship hall. So, it

[1:30:42] reduces it down to about 23,000 ft² versus about 32,000 ft² to keep all the

[1:30:48] parking in the existing parking lots and spaces as they are today without adding

[1:30:53] anything. >> Yeah, the the analysis you did and and

[1:30:56] gave to us uh just on >> and and thank you for doing that.

[1:31:02] And just so the uh public knows, we have requested that they commence plans for

[1:31:08] parking lot in which is behind the depot so that it takes some of that congestion

[1:31:14] away from that area and just to find out if that helps with everything to

[1:31:19] alleviate that congestion. So we are working on that too.

[1:31:27] I have a it's more of a it's not a technical question or or wanted to hear

[1:31:32] from I feel like I do that on the board but this has been a really productive

[1:31:36] conversation and I think that conversations like this need to happen

[1:31:40] probably more often to to so everyone can

[1:31:44] continue to be on the same page because from what I'm understanding it seems

[1:31:47] there's been a lot of work that's been done from from Wayne from from the

[1:31:51] advisory committee that hasn't been communicated to council. Um and I'm

[1:31:55] wondering how we can better the better the communication between the board and

[1:32:00] council so that you all aren't hearing the things for the first time or if you

[1:32:04] are it's it's not you know six months after those conversations have happened.

[1:32:08] So wanted to throw out the possibility of meeting join jointly meeting with

[1:32:15] these two bodies more often. I'm not not suggesting every single month, but once

[1:32:19] once a quarter, once every six months, something like that. Just so that we all

[1:32:23] continue to stay on the same page and that no one's surprised by anything. I

[1:32:27] know there's a lot of stuff. I know there's a lot of things that have that

[1:32:29] that time people's time and this is a lot of time to be spent on this, but

[1:32:33] this reporting to the public, we all want to get be sure that we get it

[1:32:37] right. [clears throat] >> Okay. Ju just to clarify, we had two

[1:32:42] city council people in the advisory committee that have been on there since

[1:32:46] we formed it. So both both Lisa >> Danny was on there. He had to step away

[1:32:53] for a while. Lisa filled that spot, but Ry's been on there the whole time as

[1:32:57] well. So we have had council people on there. I think the big misnomer in the

[1:33:02] whole project from the get-go was we had a consultant that completely blew this

[1:33:08] thing out of the water and it was like the Titanic going down and it set off

[1:33:12] all the bells and whistles and it was a reject from the minute I stepped on in

[1:33:17] May of 25. Wasn't going that way. Was not going to get approved. So that's and

[1:33:23] I I've said it before I think three meetings back and I said it at strategic

[1:33:27] planning. We have hit the reset button. We're all on board to go from a groundup

[1:33:32] approach, but we just need the parameters to we're not out going with

[1:33:37] six different versions of this. Let's narrow the scope down to where it's two

[1:33:41] or three versions that we can all get our hands around and kind of go forward

[1:33:44] with that. I know one of the main issues was we're being very selective with our

[1:33:49] words because one of our main concerns is that we say we're okay with something

[1:33:55] and now we're having events till 10:00 every weekend because it's called some

[1:34:00] kind of a recital and now we've got this problem to deal with because I guarantee

[1:34:05] you the citizens are going to come to city hall to hammer the council not EDC

[1:34:11] » and we need to make sure their voice is heard and that we don't allow allow

[1:34:16] whatever we want to call this event and it's every weekend at 10:00

[1:34:21] » but it's within our parameters. You see what I'm getting at?

[1:34:24] » I I I I think some of the issues because most of it's going to revolve around

[1:34:30] traffic. >> I think some of those issues could be

[1:34:33] mitigated through barricading streets that lead in through the residential

[1:34:39] areas and and push everything out toward Main Street down two streets. Well, I

[1:34:43] don't know if the citizens would like that either. You know, that restricts

[1:34:47] their in and out. >> That's

[1:34:50] two streets that have very few residential buildings left on

[1:34:56] them. They're all They've all been converted to a um

[1:35:00] » retail >> commercial.

[1:35:03] Pine Street would be one.

[1:35:08] » I'm trying to remember what the next one to the Oak.

[1:35:13] So you would block off all the ones come off.

[1:35:16] » We we would block the street. We would block the streets.

[1:35:18] » We're going to pay the city to do that. >> Yeah. I mean we we do it for German

[1:35:22] fest. >> Yeah. But

[1:35:23] » I don't like I'm not gonna go for it. >> I don't like that idea.

[1:35:26] » I don't like that at all. >> Councilwoman Mna. Yeah. That be one way

[1:35:31] to mitigate the issue. >> Yeah. That and even like EP Street right

[1:35:34] there. Y'all know one car. >> That's right. It's it's a I don't know

[1:35:38] if we could do oneway streets just >> was talking about his truck. It's a dy.

[1:35:43] » You have to get over right. You do even if somebody's walking

[1:35:48] that's that needs to be looked at that traffic oneway street something. Even if

[1:35:53] we didn't have a place that that street's pretty small.

[1:35:56] » And then you got to realize too when you start doing that the lighting has got to

[1:36:00] change there. >> Yeah. You've got to start talking about

[1:36:04] the cost of lighting that parking lots up and the walking the sidewalks you've

[1:36:10] got to build to do it so you can walk. You're talking about adding cost to the

[1:36:15] city now that we can't afford. And the the lighting, it's got to be

[1:36:21] done if you're going to right now. They don't have to light it up because nobody

[1:36:26] meets at night. They're very church only did. The parking lots do have parking

[1:36:33] lot lighting. >> Not enough lighting.

[1:36:35] » Not enough. But there is lighting. >> Add lights. And you can call them what

[1:36:39] are they night something or where >> like the dark sky.

[1:36:43] » Dark sky. That's the word. It don't work.

[1:36:47] » My whole backyard's lit up right now where I can walk outside anytime and see

[1:36:51] anything. I want >> dark sky light.

[1:36:53] » You got that right. >> I've seen those dark skylights. They go

[1:36:56] straight down. I bet their dark sky lights aren't the good ones. Maybe. I

[1:36:59] don't know. I haven't been over there. I hardly even

[1:37:02] » I figured you knew what kind they were. >> All right. I think we've had really good

[1:37:06] discussion here. I want to table this conversation for a future period so we

[1:37:10] can nail down some more items so we can be a little bit more selective on the

[1:37:14] our direction on what we want to do. I think we have a good parameter of what

[1:37:18] we're looking at wanting to do. Uh we've got at least a list that we can start

[1:37:23] from and move forward. But I I think we need to just stick to our guns and move

[1:37:28] forward. And I just don't want to be talking about this again next year.

[1:37:34] » May I ask what? So if we did decide that we're going to move forward with a

[1:37:38] demolition, is that mean we're going to move forward

[1:37:41] with some quotes, >> right? That's what

[1:37:44] » they're going to get some quotes on that demolition.

[1:37:46] » Okay. >> Yeah. They they've already got at least

[1:37:50] a parameter of about a half million dollars to tear it down. and that's what

[1:37:54] we put in the budget form. >> Okay.

[1:37:56] » Okay. Any other discussion?

[1:38:00] Thank everyone for coming out. I hope we answered a lot of the public's questions

[1:38:06] and feel free anytime to reach out and we'll tell you what we know. Thank you

[1:38:10] so much. >> Is there a motion to adjurnn the EDC?

[1:38:15] » All those in favor? >> Is there a motion to adjurnn?

[1:38:21] » She did already did it.

[1:38:25] I don't have to do it again.

[1:38:31] » The meeting is a

Special Joint City Council & TEDC Meeting August 21, 2026

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