[4:50] used to at least till November after

[4:52] that.

[4:53] >> Okay. We'd like to welcome you to this

[4:55] Tilla City Planning Commission meeting

[4:56] here this Wednesday, March 11th, 2026 at

[4:59] the hour of 7 p.m. here in City Council

[5:01] Chambers. Uh first item on our agenda

[5:03] tonight is the Pledge of Allegiance. If

[5:05] you all please rise.

[5:09] I pledge algiance to the flag of the

[5:11] United States of America and to the

[5:14] republic for which it stands. One nation

[5:17] under God, indivisible, with liberty and

[5:20] justice for all.

[5:29] » Next item on our agenda is our roll

[5:31] call. Commissioner Hammer

[5:32] >> here.

[5:32] >> Commissioner Sloan here. Commissioner

[5:34] Proctor here.

[5:34] >> Commissioner Cordova here.

[5:35] >> Commissioner Jensen here. Commissioner

[5:37] Anderson

[5:37] >> here.

[5:38] >> Commissioner Faircloth

[5:39] >> here.

[5:39] >> And we'll please excuse commissioners uh

[5:43] Frank Lynford

[5:47] brain farted my please excuse councilman

[5:50] Hansen and Councilman Gosset sitting in

[5:52] for them. Welcome back Councilman

[5:54] McCall. Please recognize we got Chief

[5:56] Day here with us tonight. Miss Young, uh

[5:59] Miss England, Miss Mr. Agard, and Mr.

[6:01] Johnson joining us tonight. Uh number

[6:03] three on our agenda tonight is a

[6:05] recommendation on a proposed text

[6:06] amendment to Twilla City Code 7-9-2.

[6:09] This is a recreational vehicles and

[6:11] recreational vehicle parks regarding the

[6:13] accommodation of recreational vehicles

[6:15] and parking lots of nonprofit 501c3

[6:17] organizations whose purpose is to assist

[6:20] persons who are unhoused. This one has

[6:22] been tabled from February 25th, 2026

[6:24] planning commission minutes.

[6:26] >> Mr. Yeah.

[6:28] >> So, I don't have a whole lot to say

[6:29] before turning it over to Chief Day for

[6:31] his his comments, but just to remind the

[6:33] planning commission that this is the

[6:34] third meeting where we've discussed

[6:36] this. At the last meeting, you you

[6:38] tabled the meeting pending additional

[6:40] information. Uh Chief Day did make some

[6:43] edits to the the proposed ordinance and

[6:45] those edits were included in your in

[6:47] your packet. Uh the city attorney also

[6:50] made some edits and his were included in

[6:52] the packet as well with his edits being

[6:54] highlighted in blue. Uh at this point in

[6:57] time, we're we're ready for a

[6:59] recommendation one way or the other to

[7:01] get this moving on to city council. And

[7:04] hopefully these edits will address some

[7:06] of the concerns and questions the

[7:07] planning commission had. And I'll turn

[7:09] it over to Chief Dave if he has anything

[7:10] he'd like to add to that.

[7:12] >> Thank you.

[7:15] commissioners. Uh there's a

[7:17] lot of colors in these changes and uh I

[7:21] like to point out the two weeks. this is

[7:23] up for two two weeks is it and uh

[7:28] Commissioner Lynford called me and we

[7:30] talked about it and he he has a great

[7:33] proposal of uh us adding a report

[7:35] whenever there's a RV um staying

[7:40] at the facility so we can monitor two

[7:44] weeks. We don't have to uh

[7:47] um

[7:49] drive by and hope we can get the two

[7:51] weeks. They just notify us. And I've

[7:53] talked to the staff there and they're

[7:54] more than willing to do that. They're

[7:56] more than willing to move it to the

[7:59] back. I did drive back there. There is a parking lot to the north. That is the

[8:05] housing authority. The housing authority

[8:07] would let them have RVs there that's

[8:10] more out of the way. In good conscious,

[8:13] I can't recommend that. I didn't add

[8:15] that because I just I don't want them in

[8:17] the back. I want them up front where we

[8:19] can see them. My experience with those

[8:22] camping in RVs or in tents is stuff

[8:26] starts collecting when you're not seen.

[8:27] There's no cameras back there either. If

[8:30] an incident happens, the cameras in

[8:32] front will capture it.

[8:35] And uh so that there was no changes made

[8:38] to that. Our city attorney added

[8:42] >> if we monitor these if we have a report

[8:44] too with the RVs, we can monitor the 6

[8:48] months. they can't do it again for 6

[8:50] months.

[8:52] Um, that's that's a good way to monitor

[8:55] that. And I don't see why we would why

[8:58] would we would keep doing that? We'd be

[9:00] on them pretty hard if they came back.

[9:02] Why why are we doing this again? Cuz

[9:06] most of these people want to move on.

[9:08] The ones living in the RVs from my

[9:11] experience if but they could have some

[9:14] reason. and there's only two

[9:16] recreational vehicles at any given time.

[9:20] So, if there's any questions you guys

[9:22] have past that, I think that's most of

[9:24] the changes we had from last meeting.

[9:28] >> I didn't even think about that

[9:29] perspective. Out of sight, out of mind.

[9:31] Kind of make you a little nervous,

[9:32] right? And you guys going to be able to

[9:33] see it.

[9:34] >> Didn't hit me until I was driving back

[9:35] there and looking in the back and

[9:38] >> Yeah. hit me there.

[9:40] >> Perfect. Well, good. Let's bring this

[9:42] back to the commission for questions or

[9:43] comments for Chief Day.

[9:47] >> So, I do want to just clarify um we're

[9:49] looking at two spaces and not three.

[9:52] >> Correct.

[9:52] >> Okay.

[9:57] » Yes, Commissioner SL.

[9:59] >> Um I don't know if this is a question

[10:00] for you or for Mr. Johnson, but since

[10:02] it's in red, I'm gonna ask you. Um when

[10:05] last we met, the 501c3 reference had

[10:08] been taken out, and I see it is back. Is

[10:10] that on purpose or did I remember our

[10:14] last meeting wrong? I think we we kind

[10:16] of liked not having it there because it

[10:18] narrowed it even further.

[10:22] >> I don't see that addition in the latest

[10:25] one I have.

[10:26] >> Um the one I've got, we actually have

[10:28] two of the same page here. The one that

[10:30] has blue and the one that doesn't have

[10:31] blue. Um

[10:34] so it would be

[10:36] 7.9.1 is the page. Uh, it is 7.9.2-7.

[10:46] Yeah, -7.

[10:50] » I'm wondering if uh that was the

[10:52] original one. When I did the packet, I

[10:54] included the original

[10:56] >> plus two the two amended versions. So,

[10:59] you may be seeing the original version

[11:01] that has the 501c3.

[11:03] The other two versions do not have it in

[11:05] there.

[11:06] >> And that's correct.

[11:06] >> If that's confusing, I apologize. It's it's not now, but I was consume

[11:11] confused as to why we had the same page

[11:13] on there twice because it is on there

[11:14] twice, but one of them or three times, I

[11:16] should say. One of them does have the

[11:17] 51c3. So, as long as as long as that's

[11:20] not the official one, then I have less

[11:22] of a concern with it.

[11:23] >> I did I did see that one earlier, too,

[11:25] but it was specified, but even better,

[11:26] it doesn't matter. So,

[11:27] >> thank you.

[11:28] >> It's been taken out. Perfect.

[11:30] >> I think the one that between after

[11:33] attorney

[11:35] Mr. Johnson looked at it and added his

[11:37] thing into with what Chief Day got. I

[11:39] think we've finally got it.

[11:41] >> Yeah. I appreciate all the work you guys

[11:43] did and Oh, and if it fits in with what

[11:46] you guys want out of the thing, I think

[11:49] that I'm good with that, I think.

[11:50] >> And it surprised me that the staff

[11:53] there,

[11:54] they they recommended shorter time frame

[11:57] they for that. And I did see some calls

[12:01] they had made to us when people were

[12:03] living in cars in the front there and

[12:05] they were having us remove them. So, we

[12:07] seem to be on the same page.

[12:10] >> And that was a concern that I had um

[12:13] knowing that this is an emergency

[12:14] shelter and not a transitional shelter

[12:17] time frame of what we would be looking

[12:19] at. So

[12:22] >> do

[12:24] >> going back to the screening because I

[12:25] don't see where that's covered here. And

[12:27] if we're not going to have them in the

[12:29] back and we want them up front, do the

[12:31] neighbors across the street want to be

[12:32] looking at that across up front? So is

[12:37] that still an issue or or not? I think

[12:40] it is. Um, and then Commissioner Hammer

[12:44] brought up that a question regarding

[12:48] license and insured insurance on these

[12:51] RVs. Is are we not going to enforce that

[12:54] as well?

[12:56] >> No, we're not going to enforce licensing

[12:59] and registration on private property. We

[13:03] did just change code. Well, we will

[13:05] enforce that on uh on public

[13:09] rideaways and school property and city

[13:12] property, but private we don't enforce

[13:14] that. It's a it's a very good question.

[13:16] Um when they do get going,

[13:19] are they uninsured? Are they

[13:21] unregistered? That's something to deal

[13:23] with when they leave.

[13:25] But, uh if they're repairing it, I don't

[13:29] we don't have a means to site them for

[13:31] that. So, I didn't want to enforce it.

[13:33] Screening may still be a problem, but I

[13:37] don't want them screened. If we're going

[13:39] to go forward with this, I prefer them

[13:42] not hidden, not screened. And if that stops the recommendation, I'm I'm

[13:48] good with that, too.

[13:51] >> I feel like we've cut it I've cut it

[13:53] down to two weeks. I think screening is

[13:55] probably a little bit less important in

[13:58] my mind because a couple weeks is not

[14:01] too long.

[14:02] >> Yeah. And then

[14:05] back to rodents, because if if they have

[14:07] pets, they're going to have food dishes

[14:09] out.

[14:11] Um, is that not going to be covered here

[14:14] or we're going to be okay with the

[14:16] accumulation of rodents or or the

[14:20] attraction of I should say?

[14:21] >> I think it I think we can enforce that

[14:24] with uh with code if they let garbage or

[14:28] refuge, you know. Um Okay.

[14:31] Yeah, I've seen rodents in vehicles that

[14:33] are kept there for some time, but I'm

[14:35] hoping the two weeks would limit that

[14:37] also.

[14:38] >> Okay,

[14:41] » great question. It's great discussion.

[14:43] >> I don't see that you've asked for a new

[14:45] recorder anywhere.

[14:46] >> Yeah.

[14:50] » I put that in my budget request. He's

[14:52] waiting for that next week.

[14:55] >> I left with my head down.

[15:01] Perfect. Any other further questions,

[15:03] comments from the commission?

[15:08] » All right.

[15:09] >> You ready for a motion, sir?

[15:10] >> I think we're ready. We'll entertain a

[15:12] motion on this item.

[15:12] >> Chief, I appreciate all your work on

[15:14] this. I know it's certainly not a labor

[15:17] of love, but it's a labor of love for

[15:18] your community and so thank you for

[15:20] that. And also, thanks the housing

[15:23] authority and thanks for switch for for

[15:25] being so cooperative, too. So that said,

[15:28] I would move that we forward positive

[15:29] recommendation to the city council for

[15:31] recreational vehicles location and use

[15:33] amendment. The request by Tula City for

[15:35] the purpose of amending Tula City code

[15:36] 7-9-2

[15:38] recreational vehicles and recreational

[15:40] vehicle parks to limit the use of

[15:42] recreational vehicles for temporary

[15:44] housing associate only. I'm taking that

[15:46] part out for temporary housing.

[15:50] >> We got a positive recommendation from

[15:52] Commissioner Sloan. Do I have a second?

[15:53] >> I'll second that.

[15:54] >> I got two,

[15:54] >> Mr. Chairman. I want to make sure that

[15:56] it's clear. My motion does not include

[15:57] the last line of the the motion

[16:00] requiring nonprofit 510 C3

[16:02] organizations. Perfect. Positive

[16:05] recommendation from Commissioner Sloan removing the 5013C3

[16:09] aspect of it. Are you still okay with

[16:11] that? Second, Commissioner Cordova?

[16:13] >> Yes, I am.

[16:13] >> Okay. Thank you. Uh any other discussion

[16:16] before we take this to a vote?

[16:17] >> Actually, are we going to require them

[16:19] to submit a report to

[16:23] >> to the police?

[16:26] Okay, we want to include that in

[16:27] thatation or

[16:29] >> give me some verbage or make a friendly

[16:30] amendment to the motion.

[16:35] » How often of how often a submission are

[16:37] we talking about? Every time somebody

[16:38] checks in

[16:39] >> anytime there's a new

[16:41] >> I would include that with my motion.

[16:42] >> Okay. And also to include on that motion

[16:45] that they must file the report with the

[16:47] is it with you guys yourselves and

[16:49] that'll be switch point filing the

[16:50] report.

[16:51] >> Yes.

[16:51] >> Okay.

[16:52] >> Yeah. And we could put the my most

[16:55] important item is getting the VIN of the

[16:57] RV into our system so we can show that

[17:00] it's been there for the six months

[17:02] besides the two weeks and uh they're

[17:04] willing to give that information to us.

[17:07] >> Perfect. And you're okay.

[17:08] >> So, are you good with that back there in

[17:10] charge of the minutes?

[17:11] >> Okay.

[17:13] We've confused you enough.

[17:15] >> She's dealt with me long enough. She

[17:17] should be used to it by now.

[17:19] >> You guys have refined this. So, I want

[17:20] to thank you for uh making this a lot

[17:23] better than when I first started with

[17:25] it. So, I appreciate I appreciate all of

[17:27] it.

[17:27] >> Perfect. We all work together on this.

[17:29] >> Commissioner Cordova, you're you're good

[17:31] with that second still.

[17:32] >> Still good with that.

[17:33] >> Perfect. Okay, we'll take this item to a

[17:35] vote. Commissioner Hammer,

[17:36] >> I.

[17:37] >> Commissioner Sloan,

[17:37] >> hi.

[17:38] >> Commissioner Proctor,

[17:38] >> I.

[17:39] >> Commissioner Cordova,

[17:40] >> I.

[17:40] >> Commissioner Jensen,

[17:41] >> hi.

[17:41] >> Commissioner Anderson,

[17:42] >> hi.

[17:42] >> I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I.

[17:44] That one passes seven to zero. Good job

[17:47] on that one. Nice work, guys. Uh this

[17:49] moves us on to number four on our agenda

[17:51] tonight. This is a public hearing and a

[17:53] decision. This is a conditional use

[17:55] permit request by Suzanne Jameson

[17:57] representing Borite Enterprise to

[17:58] authorize the use of automobile sales

[18:01] and rental to occur at the property

[18:03] located at 397 North Main Street in the

[18:05] GC General Commercial Zoning District on

[18:08] 26 acres. Miss Angling.

[18:11] >> Yes, this is um on the southwest corner

[18:14] of Main Street and 400 North. Um it is

[18:19] the byite enterprise um that is planning

[18:23] on having the second location there.

[18:26] Their first location is um located right

[18:29] by city hall um where they've been for

[18:32] about 5 years now.

[18:34] Um this existing commercial property

[18:39] um it has been used for various

[18:41] commercial activities. The last one is

[18:44] an autoglass repair for repair sales and

[18:47] it's been vacant since then. Um

[18:52] the property is considered a legal

[18:55] non-conforming

[18:56] um property because it doesn't meet

[18:59] things such as setbacks, parking,

[19:02] landscaping drive approach, that type of

[19:05] thing. But Tila City code 73 allows it

[19:09] to continue to exist and operate as

[19:11] legal non-conforming. Um, as long as

[19:15] there aren't any changes to the

[19:17] structure or site. Um, the conditions of

[19:21] there are going to be a few conditions

[19:23] of approval and I'll go over those. The

[19:25] first would be sight lighting because

[19:28] there are even though it's surrounded by

[19:31] a general commercial zone, there are um

[19:34] residential neighbors right beside it.

[19:38] And so we want to just verify and make

[19:41] sure that any of the lighting stays on

[19:44] the property and does not shine on any

[19:48] of the neighboring residential

[19:49] properties. Um so that is one condition

[19:53] of approval that we as staff are

[19:55] recommending. The next one would be that

[20:00] um we make sure

[20:02] that anything like car detailing or car

[20:06] washing or you know um any kind of auto

[20:10] repair would be something that is

[20:13] ancillary like just you know changing

[20:16] out light bulbs or just maybe an

[20:18] interior detail vacuuming out the

[20:21] vehicles that type of thing. um

[20:25] unless they get, you know, the the

[20:28] proper requirements for um water rights

[20:32] and that type of thing um for the

[20:34] increases in water use. Um so another

[20:38] condition of approval would be the

[20:40] property is not going to be considered

[20:43] for an auto repair shop or car wash at

[20:45] this time and that's not what we're

[20:47] approving. and in the future they would

[20:49] need to get all of those requirements

[20:52] met if they do add that to to the um

[20:57] use. Um and then

[20:59] the the third condition of approval that

[21:02] we'd like to recommend is that uh they

[21:06] keep the one accessible um wheelchair

[21:09] accessible stall that is existing on the

[21:12] site. So, it's just right off of Main

[21:15] Street and that they have a league step

[21:19] at the very minimum um three uh off or

[21:24] off streetet parking spaces for the

[21:27] customers that come there that are in a

[21:30] convenient area on the property.

[21:34] So, just here's another view side image

[21:38] of it. There's the bay doors where they

[21:41] would probably do some of the um auto

[21:44] detailing and and that type of thing. Um

[21:48] again, here's another view. Uh and so

[21:54] just um to go over the conditions of

[21:56] approval. All new site lighting

[21:58] installed on the building shall be

[22:00] cabinetry are be designed to direct the

[22:03] light down and onto the site. The

[22:06] vehicle bays shall not be covered uh

[22:08] converted to vehicle wash bays without

[22:10] full approvals from the Tilla city and

[22:13] dedication of additional rider rights to

[22:17] satisfy the requirements of a car wash.

[22:20] And the applicant shall provide and

[22:22] maintain three designated customer

[22:24] parking stalls, including one accessible

[22:27] parking stall on the east side of the

[22:29] building in close proximity to the main

[22:32] building entrance.

[22:35] So,

[22:37] >> we'll bring this back to the commission

[22:38] for questions or comments for staff.

[22:46] » We got a public hearing. We'll let you

[22:48] guys up here in a minute.

[22:52] » Commissioner Hammer's thinking.

[22:53] >> I'm okay.

[22:54] >> We'll give you a minute.

[22:55] >> Yeah. Thanks.

[22:56] >> Anybody else?

[22:58] >> Perfect. We'll give you guys a minute.

[23:00] We'll come back to you. All right. This

[23:01] item does require a public hearing. Uh

[23:03] we will go ahead and open the public

[23:05] hearing now. If you go ahead and

[23:06] approach the podium, write your name for

[23:08] the record, state your name for the

[23:09] record.

[23:18] Uh my name is Lorine Mascarangius. I

[23:21] live um directly west of the building.

[23:24] Um so my question I have a couple of

[23:28] questions actually. Um, with the

[23:31] lighting, I understand they're supposed

[23:33] to be I read the thing and it's supposed

[23:35] to be facing to the property and then

[23:38] they're they can have some surrounding

[23:40] perimeter also facing towards the

[23:42] building.

[23:44] Um, will those be on timers because I

[23:48] have four bedrooms on that side of my

[23:50] house.

[23:52] So, that lighting is going to directly

[23:54] be affecting the bedrooms. Um, so I'm

[23:59] wondering if there are going to be

[24:00] timers on those lighting and how how how

[24:03] bright is that lighting going to be. Um,

[24:07] also

[24:09] the area around I've had issues with um

[24:13] the grassy areas. I don't know if

[24:15] they're going to continue to have that

[24:17] grass area. Um, is it going to be

[24:20] maintained as grass or is it going to be

[24:23] continued as weeds? I've had to always

[24:25] call the um the zoning commission to get

[24:29] them to not these guys but to get that

[24:32] cleaned up especially for the 4th of

[24:34] July because those weeds get tall that

[24:37] they just let it's dead. It's just dead.

[24:40] And then I I'm always concerned about

[24:42] the fireworks and everything because

[24:43] people light off fireworks aerials and

[24:45] everything. So that's my other concern

[24:48] is that area that grassy area there if

[24:53] that's going to be maintained as grass

[24:56] or will they be taking the grass out

[25:01] and it will be part of their cleaning

[25:03] area for their vehicles or

[25:07] um I think that's I think that was just

[25:09] my two main concerns about the thing.

[25:12] >> Okay. Thank you, Miss Mascar.

[25:14] >> Thank you.

[25:17] Miss Masanus, will you sign the roster

[25:19] room up here?

[25:23] » Thank you. I appreciate that.

[25:33] » May I approach?

[25:34] >> Absolutely. Come on up.

[25:36] >> My name is Wanita Talis. I live at 391

[25:39] North Main. So, right behind it. Um,

[25:42] since we have since our parking is so

[25:46] close next to the building and there's a

[25:50] bus stop right in front of it, that is

[25:52] my only worry about access with other

[25:55] people going in and coming out and

[25:57] parking right there. So, we don't have

[25:59] any accidents on hitting another vehicle

[26:02] or hitting a pedestrian. Um, those are

[26:06] my only worries. It just they've already

[26:08] asked me if they can use my parking and

[26:11] I my driveway and I told them no because

[26:17] you know anyway that's that's all I have

[26:20] to say. That's my worries about what

[26:23] could and or can happen. That's all.

[26:26] >> Thank you Miss

[26:53] Uh, my name is Kip Mner

[26:56] and I own the two uh houses just

[26:59] uh north

[27:01] on on 400. And I'm worried about all the

[27:04] parking.

[27:06] If there's no place to park in their

[27:08] lots,

[27:10] they're going to park on the streets

[27:11] front of our house. There's not enough

[27:13] room to even drive down there. We can't

[27:15] get out of our driveways.

[27:18] So, that's my biggest concern.

[27:23] Um,

[27:27] we went through this several years ago

[27:30] with uh Tetanaglass

[27:33] and they were limited to the number of

[27:35] cars they could put on the lot

[27:38] back in the day that they were there,

[27:41] which they,

[27:44] you know, they did do that. They allowed

[27:46] him 10 cars, I think, on the whole lot

[27:48] or eight cars. I can't remember. But

[27:53] I'm worried about the traffic. That's

[27:55] what I'm worried about. Can't even get

[27:56] out of our driveways

[27:58] certain hours of the day.

[28:01] So,

[28:04] I guess that's about it. I don't know.

[28:06] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

[28:09] >> What do you people feel about it?

[28:11] >> You'll hear here in a minute.

[28:12] >> You guys are the planners, huh? Mhm.

[28:15] Well, we're not the planners. We're just

[28:16] the planning commission.

[28:17] >> Oh, yeah. The planner sitting behind

[28:19] you.

[28:49] Uh, hi. My name's Cameron Shemake. I

[28:51] live in the same house as Wanita Talis.

[28:54] Um, my only concerns would be the

[28:56] parking and the lighting. Um, the reason

[28:58] for the parking is because my

[28:59] grandfather's elderly and we and he has

[29:02] um therapists coming to the house on a daily basis to come help give him

[29:05] care and help him do his physical

[29:07] therapy and stuff. So, we need to have

[29:09] at least one space open, and we already

[29:11] have three cars there. And my next big

[29:14] concern is that

[29:16] um my grandpa's bedroom would face

[29:18] towards where they're going to have the

[29:20] main lighting. And so, we want to make

[29:22] sure that lighting isn't going into our

[29:24] rooms cuz that way we won't put cuz that

[29:25] way we can sleep. Other than that,

[29:27] that's all I'm really concerned about.

[29:30] >> What was your last name?

[29:31] >> Sheck.

[29:32] >> Thank you, Mr. Sheam.

[29:56] My name is Karen Mner and I live the

[29:58] same place as Kip and we have the two

[30:00] houses on the north side of 400 North.

[30:03] Um, I'd like to know about the hours of

[30:06] operation. Um, the days they're going to

[30:09] be open, how late, how early,

[30:13] um,

[30:14] and basically how many cars are they

[30:16] going to be allowed because if they're

[30:18] selling cars and there's not enough

[30:20] parking, they're going to be parking

[30:21] them on the street, which allows us not

[30:24] to be able to get out of our house. So,

[30:26] those are the couple questions I have.

[30:29] >> Thank you, Miss Miner.

[30:51] Okay, seeing no one else approach, I'll

[30:53] go ahead and close the public hearing.

[30:54] We'll bring it back to the commission

[30:55] and staff. Um, I don't know how we want

[30:58] to answer some of those questions. Miss

[30:59] England,

[31:01] >> I'm not sure if the applicant is here or

[31:03] not tonight answer questions.

[31:07] Okay.

[31:09] >> Yeah. if you want to uh I I can answer

[31:13] questions if you'd like.

[31:14] >> As many as you can, that'd be great.

[31:16] >> Sure.

[31:19] » So, I know we we've required um down

[31:22] lighting and uh of course keeping it

[31:24] away from the uh the houses, of course.

[31:27] What other things could we require on

[31:28] that?

[31:29] >> So, we could also do like a timer that

[31:33] they're only on during business hours

[31:35] or, you know, like a an hour after dark.

[31:39] so that they aren't on all night. There

[31:42] are other things that we can also do to

[31:45] mitigate the um intrusiveness of the

[31:49] lights, like we could soften it, like uh

[31:52] limiting the Celvin to like 3,000 or

[31:55] something along those lines, so it's

[31:56] more of a warmer light than a cool

[31:58] light. Um and it's not quite as bright.

[32:02] Um, so that would be more like we could

[32:05] say if you could put in lighting that

[32:08] meets more of the dark sky requirements.

[32:12] Um, we could we could add those those

[32:14] type of conditions to the approval.

[32:18] Um, as far as the safety concerns,

[32:22] I can see where they do have those

[32:24] concerns, but those are existing

[32:27] non-conforming

[32:29] with and our ordinance does allow this

[32:33] type of use, the commercial use to

[32:35] continue at this location. even with

[32:37] those non-conforming um situations

[32:41] there.

[32:43] The only thing I could say is require

[32:45] them to add signage maybe um uh to to

[32:50] tell them that they cannot block the

[32:52] neighboring uh driveways or you know

[32:55] something along those lines.

[32:58] Um

[32:59] and then as far as like any of the weeds

[33:02] are concerned,

[33:03] uh that would just be something that we

[33:05] would have to rely on code enforcement

[33:08] still. That's um because that is towards

[33:11] the back. That's not at the front of the

[33:14] building. We can't really like

[33:18] uh require them to to do landscaping and

[33:21] that type of thing there. some.

[33:23] >> But having a tenant there will

[33:25] definitely help the

[33:26] >> I'm sorry.

[33:27] >> Having a tenant there will definitely

[33:28] help the

[33:29] >> Yeah,

[33:29] >> the upkeep of it.

[33:31] >> It would definitely and there would be

[33:33] somebody that

[33:34] >> could um easily fix it if there are any

[33:38] code enforcement requirements or issues.

[33:43] So

[33:46] >> on on your photos, you had a picture uh

[33:49] on 400 North looking in there

[33:52] >> like right here.

[33:53] >> No, from 400 North the last one you're

[33:55] at. I was just wondering if there was a

[33:57] fence but which you can't see from the

[34:00] >> So there are there is some steel fencing

[34:03] but um it is not opaque.

[34:08] you know, there could be a a potential

[34:11] that you can require them to have opaque

[34:14] fencing rather than just the rod iron.

[34:19] >> Okay, that's what I was wondering if it

[34:21] was a view obscuring fence or

[34:26] » So, I did have um a couple of questions

[34:28] and I do appreciate um the question as

[34:32] far as the hours of operation because I

[34:34] was curious about that as well. And then

[34:36] just having an idea as far as foot

[34:39] traffic, do they expect to with this

[34:42] second location, is it going to be um

[34:46] providing the same services as the first

[34:48] location or is it how is that?

[34:52] >> So I know that this is going or is going

[34:55] to serve as a car dealership only. Um,

[35:00] as far as

[35:02] their hours of operation, they did not

[35:05] they didn't um submit anything along

[35:09] those lines as far as I know. Um, what

[35:12] we could do is say, you know, limit it

[35:14] to an hour after dark or, you know,

[35:18] something or, you know, during only

[35:20] normal business hours or, you know, that

[35:23] type of thing. Um,

[35:27] uh, yeah, that one would be a little

[35:29] hard without the applicant here to to

[35:33] really get down to the bottom with.

[35:36] >> Mr. Chair, I'm not sure and and staff

[35:38] can correct me if I'm wrong, that that

[35:41] stuff falls within the purview of what

[35:42] we can do on a conditional use permit.

[35:44] >> There have to be a reason to do

[35:46] >> I was just going to add that I recently

[35:48] bought a car from them and their hours

[35:50] were 8 to 6.

[35:53] So, pretty standard commercial hours

[35:56] >> and they're usually closed on Sundays.

[35:58] I'm I'm guessing from what I've seen,

[36:00] too. I've worked with them a little bit

[36:01] being in downtown. So,

[36:03] >> and they're easy to work with as well.

[36:05] So, they're they're great tenants that

[36:06] I've I've worked with them, but

[36:08] >> great questions.

[36:09] >> And again, just another question in

[36:11] regards to kind of the past. What was

[36:14] the issue? Was what was the lighting

[36:18] situation

[36:19] when there was the other two?

[36:22] >> Yeah, I I was not here for that time

[36:25] period. I don't know if Andre might know

[36:27] or or somebody else

[36:29] >> that was on the commission.

[36:33] >> Is that something that we could ask one

[36:35] of the neighbors?

[36:39] » Yeah, we can ask the neighbors

[36:41] >> commissioners. I would just add if if

[36:43] you look at this picture that's on the

[36:45] screen,

[36:46] >> it is about 3 years old. It was taken

[36:48] from Google Streets, uh the only

[36:50] lighting on the site is the lighting

[36:52] that's on the building. There is no

[36:54] standalone lighting in the in the site

[36:56] itself. So, I would anticipate that the

[36:59] lighting was just strictly limited to

[37:01] the building into the site.

[37:03] >> And I can't remember, and maybe that

[37:04] answers my own question. Uh is that is

[37:08] that lighting directed away from the

[37:10] building or is it straight down?

[37:12] Then maybe the neighbors can help.

[37:15] >> It doesn't look like there's cabinetry

[37:16] on the lighting.

[37:17] >> No,

[37:22] » so the the cabinetry part of the

[37:24] recommendation should cover

[37:26] >> a lot of that stuff.

[37:27] >> Yeah.

[37:28] >> The dark sky requirements type of thing.

[37:29] Yeah. We want the light to

[37:32] >> absolutely onto the lot rather than into

[37:34] the neighbors

[37:36] >> bedroom windows like my neighbors does.

[37:39] >> Mr. Chairman, one more question.

[37:42] >> It seems like, and this is going back,

[37:44] maybe only Commissioner Hammer might be

[37:45] the only one that remembers this, uh,

[37:47] directly to the east of this across Main

[37:49] Street, um, Bob Johnson's place. When we

[37:54] did that, one of the restrictions we did

[37:55] put in place to maybe solve some of the

[37:57] problems from a parking standpoint is we

[38:00] very, very clearly did not allow off or

[38:03] on street parking uh, in any way, shape,

[38:06] or form. Now, 400 North does not lend

[38:08] itself to that there. certainly on this

[38:09] side of the street, but people are what

[38:12] they are. But if we limit limit that

[38:15] parking to only onsite

[38:18] and

[38:18] >> I think considering there's an

[38:19] intersection right there

[38:21] at all. That's a good idea.

[38:25] » Great.

[38:28] >> Yes, Commissioner. Go ahead. With the

[38:29] size of this lot and we're requiring

[38:31] essentially three parking spots, one

[38:33] being a

[38:35] an accessible spot. How many cars can

[38:38] fit on this lot reasonably?

[38:46] I'm not seeing it being like a really

[38:48] big lot. I'm gonna see. Um,

[38:56] oh gosh, that's that's a really hard one

[38:58] to to say. We But we could also limit

[39:03] the amount of um stalls that that are

[39:08] displaying cars for sale. Yeah. Well,

[39:11] I'm just wondering if this grassy or

[39:13] weedy area ends up being part of the lot

[39:18] and we're showcasing cars there, are we

[39:22] going to leave it weeds or are we going

[39:24] to ask for

[39:26] >> that may kick in the non-conforming

[39:30] section of the ordinance where if they

[39:32] change all of that then they might have

[39:34] to bring the whole lot into compliance.

[39:37] So, I don't know if that's the direction

[39:39] they're going to want to go.

[39:42] >> So,

[39:46] » just a point of clarification.

[39:48] >> Yes.

[39:48] >> Is that okay?

[39:49] >> So, at this point, they could not park

[39:52] on this landscaped part where there's

[39:55] dirt in

[39:56] >> where? Yeah. It would not be allowed for

[39:58] them to use that as additional parking

[40:00] area because it it was not developed for

[40:04] parking and it's not part of the

[40:06] non-conforming rights of the property.

[40:10] >> Thank you.

[40:11] >> Um, one more question.

[40:13] >> Yes, Commissioner.

[40:14] >> So, the driveway approaches are quite

[40:17] large.

[40:18] >> Yes. And so I um do have questions about

[40:22] where all these for sale cars will be

[40:26] parked cuz it's three parking spots and

[40:30] a handicap spot. Is that correct?

[40:32] >> Or was it two and one?

[40:35] >> So it's one of the handicap parking

[40:38] spots and then two additional customer

[40:40] parking spots.

[40:41] >> But then I'm sorry, three more.

[40:43] >> Yeah. Okay. And they had them across the

[40:45] front. But I guess that's not the front.

[40:47] >> But that's So that's a driveway though.

[40:52] >> Okay.

[40:54] >> So they don't have Oh, sorry. I just Do

[40:57] they not have to use the driveway as a

[40:59] driveway? They could put their cars for

[41:01] sale in front of a driveway.

[41:04] >> No, there's a sidewalk that goes across

[41:06] that city right away all along there.

[41:10] >> But can you go back one um photo? Yeah.

[41:13] So, right here. Oh, no. Right there.

[41:15] >> This one.

[41:15] >> Oh, sorry. Just stay where you were.

[41:17] Sorry. It was on Christmas tree, not

[41:20] there.

[41:20] >> So, that's

[41:21] >> that's a driveway over there.

[41:23] >> Well, it's a driveway approach, but you

[41:24] got a city sidewalk that goes all the

[41:26] way across.

[41:27] >> So, I'm just saying could they

[41:29] park cars in front of a driveway? So,

[41:32] like you could park I'm saying like

[41:34] right here.

[41:35] >> Do you understand?

[41:36] >> Yeah. for for um for us to be able to

[41:40] approve it, they would have to be able

[41:41] to get in and out of the driveway safely

[41:45] or the parking lot safely. They wouldn't

[41:47] be able to block it or the sidewalks.

[41:51] They would not be able to be in the

[41:54] public rideway. Um so there would be

[41:58] some some restrictions on that. Um

[42:02] >> Chief Day's new record.

[42:03] >> Yeah. I just don't understand where all

[42:05] the cars will go. Like I'm just kind of

[42:07] confused.

[42:08] >> So just in the middle.

[42:09] >> Yep.

[42:11] >> I I'm I'm not gonna speak for the

[42:13] >> Yeah,

[42:13] >> that's where I would put them if it was

[42:14] me.

[42:15] >> Yeah, I would put them over on the west

[42:18] side on the bigger

[42:20] >> parking area. But then there's

[42:23] >> Okay.

[42:23] >> So yeah, all we're required for parking

[42:25] is what's there, which is all that

[42:27] technic required.

[42:29] >> There's some here, right?

[42:30] >> Okay. All right.

[42:34] Good questions. Good discussion.

[42:40] Any other questions or discussion?

[42:47] I think we've drilled down all of our uh

[42:50] issues that we see and try to mitigate

[42:52] those those problems as much as possible

[42:54] with

[42:55] of course the dark sky requirements. Um

[42:59] they're not allowed to park on a

[43:00] driveway. We've already figured that

[43:01] out. A parking signage would be a good

[43:03] one. No parking signs were where

[43:05] applicable. Anything else we can think

[43:07] of?

[43:08] >> Is that no parking one mean um you can't

[43:12] block resident I mean on the residential

[43:14] parking you have to park on site only?

[43:16] Is that

[43:16] >> I would hope that's common sense not to

[43:18] block it.

[43:18] >> No, I'm going to make it very specific.

[43:20] >> I would make it very specific as well.

[43:22] It's common sense. It's

[43:24] >> not all that common anymore.

[43:25] >> We see it happen all the time. I mean we

[43:26] see it happen in

[43:27] >> Thank you.

[43:28] >> residential areas as well. So

[43:29] >> Mhm.

[43:31] >> Yeah. I think that's a great condition

[43:32] to put in there to mitigate that as

[43:34] well. And then the fencing um in the

[43:38] back

[43:41] » if we wanted to.

[43:42] >> Did you close the public hearing by?

[43:44] Okay.

[43:45] >> Yes. It's all in us now. So,

[43:47] >> it's a lot of pressure. I got people I

[43:49] know out there.

[43:52] » All right. Any other uh findings of fact

[43:54] that we can mitigate?

[43:57] >> Well, Councilman McCall, go ahead.

[43:59] >> Yeah. Could I just add?

[44:01] >> Absolutely.

[44:02] >> Since you guys can um basically put it

[44:05] as a conditional use, what about the the

[44:09] lighting ju just just for the sake of

[44:12] the lighting that's there? Um they may

[44:15] want to change it out because it is a

[44:16] car dealership and most car dealerships

[44:19] they're lit, you know, so you can see

[44:20] the cars. It's part of their business profile.

[44:25] But if I'm not mistaken, you could

[44:26] probably make a conditional that they

[44:29] put lighting next to that fence by that

[44:32] lady's house that's shining away from

[44:34] her house, but onto their property, the dealership's property. That way,

[44:40] they could remove the lights on the side

[44:41] of the building that's shining in her

[44:43] direction. So, all the lights is

[44:46] pointing right at their property and

[44:48] nobody else's. I mean, I'm not saying

[44:51] they're going to do it, but you can

[44:53] suggest that they did

[44:55] >> as a as a show of good faith because

[44:57] sitting here looking at it, I I figured

[44:59] they could probably get about 15 cars in

[45:01] that in that spot.

[45:05] » No.

[45:09] » Six, seven cars.

[45:11] >> Oh, good. Good. My I was looking and I'm

[45:15] getting old, but I can't see.

[45:18] And I think our our first condition on

[45:20] the lighting specifies both of those

[45:21] things already. So we should be okay.

[45:23] >> We want the lighting off the residence.

[45:24] That's for sure. Absolutely. I like it.

[45:27] >> You can't see it, but there's also a

[45:28] dumpster right there.

[45:33] » Okay. I hate to do this to you guys, but

[45:34] we've already had our public hearing and

[45:36] I've I've got a business meeting to run

[45:38] and I've got to do it up here. So, I'd

[45:40] appreciate it if you just let me do

[45:41] that.

[45:42] >> Thank you.

[45:44] >> We understand your concerns though. I

[45:45] promise you. We're we're trying to

[45:46] mitigate them as much as possible.

[45:49] Any other conditions we can think of?

[45:51] This might be a challenging one

[45:54] >> for all of us, but I think we can get

[45:55] through it.

[45:56] >> I'd like to yell at the planning

[45:57] commission that approved this the first

[45:58] time.

[46:01] >> All right. Any other further discussion,

[46:03] questions, comments?

[46:05] >> From the commission.

[46:07] All right. I'll entertain a motion on

[46:09] this one.

[46:19] Mr. Chairman, I'm struggling with this

[46:21] one. I'm going to I'm going to make the

[46:22] motion. Um

[46:27] well, since I've got the mic, I can say

[46:28] what I want. Um but maybe for for the

[46:31] folks in the audience that need to

[46:33] understand kind of the position we're

[46:35] in. Um,

[46:38] conditional use permits

[46:41] are very, very narrowly focused in what

[46:43] we're allowed to deny.

[46:46] Um, we have to be able to uh site some

[46:50] concern that can't be mitigated,

[46:53] and I'm not sure I can do that here. I

[46:56] I've got a solution for all this stuff,

[46:58] unfortunately. Um, so I will go ahead

[47:01] and make the motion that uh we approve

[47:04] the conditional use permit request by

[47:05] Suzanne Jameson to authorize the use of

[47:08] automobile sales and rental to occur at

[47:09] the subject property application number

[47:12] 202612

[47:13] based on the findings subject to the

[47:15] conditions listed in the staff report

[47:17] dated March 5th, 2026. And I want to

[47:19] emphasize condition number one as the

[47:22] staff recommended it. All new site

[47:24] lighting installed on the building shall

[47:26] use cabinetry or be designed to direct

[47:29] the light down and into the site. That

[47:31] all site lighting installed in the site

[47:33] away from the building in the perimeter

[47:35] shall be direct. It should be at the

[47:37] perimeter of the site and directed down

[47:39] and into the site and away from the

[47:41] local residences. That we also had a

[47:43] condition um prohibiting offsite parking

[47:47] that no parking will be allowed on any

[47:49] of the streets surrounding the site. Um,

[47:53] what am I missing? Commissioner

[47:56] that the that the landscaping be can't

[47:58] do much more than just the current city

[48:00] ordinances for landscaping, but

[48:02] emphasizing that those areas need to be

[48:04] kept uh in conformance with city

[48:07] ordinance

[48:09] and that we limit the number of vehicles

[48:12] on the site to 10.

[48:17] I'm sorry, let me amend that. That's not

[48:19] customer cars, that's cars for sale to

[48:21] 10. Thank you.

[48:24] >> We want to add anything about signage.

[48:27] >> I don't know where we could put it that

[48:29] it would work. Um we we can put signs

[48:32] all day long. Uh but once they can get

[48:35] to them and read them, they're already

[48:37] there. So if you I'm perfectly happy to

[48:39] amend that motion if you've got a as you

[48:41] call it a common sense.

[48:44] >> Um if they're parking in the neighbor's

[48:46] rideway, they need to call the police

[48:49] anyway. And that's in violation because

[48:51] we've already said no offsite.

[48:53] >> Yeah. No offsite limited to 10 for sale.

[48:56] I'll second your motion as you stated.

[49:00] >> Not going to try and repeat it.

[49:02] >> No.

[49:05] >> Okay. So, we have a motion to approve

[49:07] with the following conditions added. Of

[49:09] course, a heavy heavy emphasis on the

[49:11] light pointing down and the light

[49:12] pollution uh keeping the light on the

[49:14] property and not towards the neighbors.

[49:16] Uh prohibit off-site parking. uh keep

[49:19] the landscaping maintained as per city

[49:21] code and then limit the cars on the site

[49:24] for sale to 10 vehicles. Did I get it

[49:28] all?

[49:30] >> We did. I'm sorry I wasn't paying enough

[49:31] attention. No off-site parking, right?

[49:33] >> No offsite parking. So, I was still

[49:35] trying to figure out a place to put your

[49:36] sign.

[49:37] >> I know it's hard to do. Is there a way

[49:39] that we can address just to make sure

[49:41] that um outside of business hours that

[49:45] you know the lighting is going to be on

[49:47] a timer or how

[49:50] >> I don't think we have the ability

[49:52] >> Yeah. I don't know that we have the

[49:52] ability to do

[49:54] >> Yeah.

[49:54] >> to do that within the confines of the

[49:56] conditional use.

[49:57] >> Mhm.

[49:58] >> And again the staff if I'm wrong staff

[50:02] >> save me but

[50:03] >> by directing it down and in it should

[50:05] not be an issue.

[50:06] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[50:10] All right. Yeah.

[50:11] >> And a second from Commissioner Proctor

[50:13] with all of those extra conditions as

[50:15] well.

[50:15] >> Yep. Perfect. Any discussion before we

[50:17] take this to a vote? We know this is a a

[50:20] good one. I like it.

[50:22] >> Makes us think tonight.

[50:27] » Okay, we'll take this to a roll call

[50:29] vote. Commissioner Hammer, how do you

[50:30] vote?

[50:31] >> I.

[50:31] >> Commissioner Sloan.

[50:32] >> Hi.

[50:32] >> Commissioner Proctor.

[50:33] >> I.

[50:34] >> Commissioner Cordova.

[50:34] >> Hi.

[50:35] >> Commissioner Jensen.

[50:36] >> Hi. Commissioner Anderson.

[50:37] >> I I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I.

[50:40] That one passes with the added

[50:41] conditions in there. And please, if

[50:43] there is somebody parking in your

[50:44] driveway, that's going to give Chief Day

[50:46] ammo to get his new record. So, call

[50:48] him. We will get them moved. Well, not

[50:51] we, but they will.

[50:53] All right. This moves us on to number

[50:54] five on our agenda tonight is our city

[50:56] council reports. Councilman McCall.

[51:00] >> Uh, good evening again. Um the only

[51:02] thing that we uh went over the last

[51:05] meeting um which you thought yours was a

[51:09] doozy tonight. We had a doozy and that

[51:13] was a proposed amendment to 12 to 12

[51:16] city code 7-4-7

[51:20] parking limitations regarding front yard

[51:23] parking and residential zoning

[51:25] districts.

[51:27] And I won't dwell into that a lot, but

[51:30] um just to let you know, we had a a

[51:32] really really good discussion on that

[51:34] one

[51:36] >> um because it basically boils down to um

[51:41] in a sense dictating what you can and

[51:44] cannot do in your yard

[51:47] in in the the broader sense. Um, and

[51:50] whether or not you can park in the front

[51:52] and how much you can park in the front,

[51:55] whether or not it needs to be paved or

[51:59] rocked and whether you can park in the

[52:01] back and how much of you can park in the

[52:03] back and when you whether or not you can

[52:04] park on the side. Um, it was an

[52:09] interesting conversation. So, you will

[52:12] be seeing that. Um, is it before it

[52:14] comes back to us, Andrew, or after?

[52:16] >> Next meeting.

[52:17] Yeah, you'll be seeing it

[52:20] and I I may come in and stand out in the

[52:23] hallway just to hear you guys since the

[52:25] other two uh council members will be

[52:27] here and I can't legally come in the

[52:29] office in the building or the room. I'll

[52:31] just stand outside the door and

[52:33] >> and listen to you guys discuss that one

[52:35] because Andrew can tell you it was a it

[52:39] was a duty and it is but unfortunately

[52:44] it is something that we have to address

[52:47] uh due to the fact that if you ride

[52:48] around town you'll see what was brought

[52:52] to the council. There's a lot of homes

[52:55] um where there are cars parked in the

[52:59] front and on the side and in the street.

[53:02] I mean, there's and Andrew could share

[53:05] it with you, but he's there's places

[53:07] where you have like eight, nine cars

[53:09] parked not literally on the grass

[53:14] um in in in yards and it's really bad

[53:17] for the neighbors.

[53:20] So, it's a problem and unfortunately

[53:22] that's part of our job is to try to

[53:24] rectify that problem.

[53:26] >> So, you will get your hands on it as

[53:28] well.

[53:29] >> Looking forward to that one. It's been a

[53:30] problem for a while. I know a few

[53:32] properties.

[53:32] >> Yeah.

[53:33] >> And just speaking of this last one, for

[53:35] example, on street parking, Fourth

[53:37] North, there's no room for it, so there

[53:39] shouldn't be happening.

[53:40] >> It's not. It it's it's one of those

[53:42] things where a lot of people are moving

[53:44] back home and um because they can't

[53:46] afford to live on their own and they're

[53:49] bringing their toys and their cars with

[53:50] them and it's no place for them to work.

[53:54] >> Affordable housing. That's what it's

[53:56] boiling down to. Huh.

[54:02] » Perfect. Thank you, Councilman McCall.

[54:04] Any questions for Councilman McCall?

[54:08] >> Thank you, sir. Thank you for coming

[54:09] tonight. We appreciate it. That moves us

[54:11] on to number six on our agenda tonight.

[54:13] It's a review and decision our February

[54:15] 25th, 2026 planning commission meeting

[54:17] and meeting minutes. Are there any

[54:19] additions or corrections to those

[54:21] minutes?

[54:23] >> I move we approve them as presented.

[54:26] >> Got a motion to approve from

[54:27] Commissioner Proctor and a second from

[54:28] Commissioner Anderson. Any discussion

[54:31] before we take it to a vote?

[54:36] » Commissioner Pro Hammer, how do you

[54:37] vote?

[54:38] >> I. Commissioner Sloan. Hi,

[54:40] >> Commissioner Proctor. Hi,

[54:41] >> Commissioner Cordova. Hi,

[54:42] >> Commissioner Jensen. Hi,

[54:43] >> Commissioner Anderson. Hi,

[54:44] >> I am Chairman Hamilton. I also vote I.

[54:46] Those minutes are passed. Moves us on to

[54:49] number seven. I'll entertain a motion.

[54:51] >> Move to approve. I mean,

[54:53] >> they are adjourned. Thank you,

[54:54] Commissioner H.

Tooele City Planning Commission Meeting, March 11, 2026

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